Proving Grounds Light-Middle: Monster attack

[SnowFire]

RPGs force us to ask deep questions about ourselves and the dangerous alliances man makes for power, like "would you ask a skeleton you just beat up to join your party" or "would you like to become the ultimate monster trainer" or "should you become an immortal blob with arms so that you can finish your secret library collection".

PC Sei (SaGa Frontier) - Spooky status-safe skeleton who is, I quote, "the most damaging monster in the DL."  What a god.
Morrie (Dragon Quest 8 DS) - Did anybody other than Pyro play DQ8DS?  And shouldn't Morrie be the one to get Call Team credit, if anybody?  Clearly a misranked Godlike as well.
Cyrus (Octopath Traveler) - DOOM DESTRUCTION DEATH DOOM DESTRUCTION DEATH DOOM DESTRUCTION DEATH DOOM DESTRUCTION DEATH, also clearly Godlike.
Zangetsu (FF4 The After Years) - Paralysis that is either really good or marginal, depending on interp?  Also godlike thunder of the gods, albeit sporting some charge time.
Felicia (Fire Emblem Fates) - Spoils mages hardcore, sports decent speed, godlike tea-brewing skills (?), pls don't poke the physical defense though.


PC Sei (Saga Frontier) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia)
Sei vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)
Sei vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)
Sei vs. Teddie (Persona 4)
Sei vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)
Sei vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)
Sei vs. Sage (FF3 DS)
Sei vs. Red XIII (FF7)
Sei vs. Kellam (FE Awakening)
Sei vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)
Sei vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)
Sei vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine)


Morrie (DQ8 DS) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia)
Morrie vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)
Morrie vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)
Morrie vs. Teddie (Persona 4)
Morrie vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)
Morrie vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)
Morrie vs. Sage (FF3 DS)
Morrie vs. Red XIII (FF7)
Morrie vs. Kellam (FE Awakening)
Morrie vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)
Morrie vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)
Morrie vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine)


Cyrus (Octopath Traveler) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia)
Cyrus vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)
Cyrus vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)
Cyrus vs. Teddie (Persona 4)
Cyrus vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)
Cyrus vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)
Cyrus vs. Sage (FF3 DS)
Cyrus vs. Red XIII (FF7)
Cyrus vs. Kellam (FE Awakening)
Cyrus vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)
Cyrus vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)
Cyrus vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine)


Zangetsu (FF4 The After Years) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia)
Zangetsu vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)
Zangetsu vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)
Zangetsu vs. Teddie (Persona 4)
Zangetsu vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)
Zangetsu vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)
Zangetsu vs. Sage (FF3 DS)
Zangetsu vs. Red XIII (FF7)
Zangetsu vs. Kellam (FE Awakening)
Zangetsu vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)
Zangetsu vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)
Zangetsu vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine)


Felicia (FE Fates) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia)
Felicia vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)
Felicia vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)
Felicia vs. Teddie (Persona 4)
Felicia vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)
Felicia vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)
Felicia vs. Sage (FF3 DS)
Felicia vs. Red XIII (FF7)
Felicia vs. Kellam (FE Awakening)
Felicia vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)
Felicia vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)
Felicia vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine)

[superaielman]

Sei vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)- I think he can drain Karin to death.
Sei vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)- Charm gaze/draining should do the job here.
Sei vs. Teddie (Persona 4)- Strong kneejerk. It's possible Sei could outlast but I doubt it.
Sei vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)- Way the hell too much damage and durability for Sei.
Sei vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)- Tony did not like evasion. It also hurts that he's hitting Sei's good defensive stat.
Sei vs. Red XIII (FF7)- Heal lock. Charm's out and Red's limit is a thing.
Sei vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)- Faster. If Lucca goes for the blitz, he just drains and outlasts her bad MP. She also has to deal with him having pretty good evasion. >_<  Get out Lucca.
Sei vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)- Buff then smash.


TAY scrub later.

[Dhyerwolf]

PC Sei (Saga Frontier) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia)
Sei vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)- At least I really hope so
Sei vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)
Sei vs. Teddie (Persona 4)- What does Charm do?
Sei vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)
Sei vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)- Hmm
Sei vs. Sage (FF3 DS)
Sei vs. Red XIII (FF7)- Limit threat
Sei vs. Kellam (FE Awakening)- Hmmm
Sei vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)
Sei vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)
Sei vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine)- Dave wishes his 3rd turn was actually fatal

I should note that for most people, Zangetsu really isn't a borderliner. He's a 3.1 to me because I see his status as turn 2 instead of turn 1.
Zangetsu (FF4 The After Years) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia)- Anti-Paralysis Equip
Zangetsu vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)- Status immune
Zangetsu vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)- This vote would flip under more typical status views
Zangetsu vs. Teddie (Persona 4)
Zangetsu vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)- Fast 2HKO. This vote would flip under more typical status views (unless you allowed Juno the anti-status decor)
Zangetsu vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)
Zangetsu vs. Sage (FF3 DS)- Abstain since I don't know if I'd see Sage's statuses as turn 1. Zangetsu wins under typical views
Zangetsu vs. Red XIII (FF7)
Zangetsu vs. Kellam (FE Awakening)
Zangetsu vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)
Zangetsu vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)
Zangetsu vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine)

Sei 6-3
Zangetsu- 3-8. Pretty straight forward (6-6 under typical status views)

[Random Consonant]

PC Sei (Saga Frontier) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia) - Probably?  Sei has a lot of draining and Zelos offense without burning TP isn't great.
Sei vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2) - e: oh right, the regen.  well fuck.
Sei vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV) - So I don't think Gryz can outdamage the draining?  And of course he just has to be slower here.
Sei vs. Teddie (Persona 4) - Yeah probably, not on board with respecting charm today.
Sei vs. Juno (Soul Nomad) - Yeah she should be able to do this.
Sei vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4) - Sure, missile hype.
Sei vs. Red XIII (FF7) - Yeah probably.
Sei vs. Kellam (FE Awakening) - Pretty sure there's too much draining afoot and I am not going to respect any hype for Kellam attempting to spike ever.
Sei vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger) - Yeah Lucca's offense is too limited to do much good here.
Sei vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV) - Has blunt damage.

Felicia (FE Fates) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia) - Physical damage.
Felicia vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2) - Physical damage.
Felicia vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV) - Tanks through a double, Crash.
Felicia vs. Teddie (Persona 4) - Electric weakness.
Felicia vs. Juno (Soul Nomad) - Neutral against mages/should have good mdur, also physical damage and gives Felicia WTD because that's really what she wanted here.
Felicia vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4) - Physical damage, really should not be OHKO'd by a single counter.
Felicia vs. Red XIII (FF7) - uh.
Felicia vs. Kellam (FE Awakening) - More physical damage, more Felicia facing down WTD.
Felicia vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger) - So is there any particular reason why Lucca can't just equip for mdef here and troll for good Wondershot damage.
Felicia vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV) - Hey look, a fighter Felicia can double and not get horribly murdered by.

[Tide]

Felicia vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2) - Karin's physicals are decent enough to win this. Anne's Cross healing really doesn't help Felicia to boot.
Felicia vs. Teddie (Persona 4) - Oh right, Thunder tomes. Welp.
Felicia vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4) - Doubles and should survive a single counter.
Felicia vs. Red XIII (FF7) - Felicia feels grossly mismatched here unless I'm missing something.
Felicia vs. Kellam (FE Awakening) - WTD does Felicia no favors.
Felicia vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger) - I buy Random's argument here. Equips for MDef and then rolls the dice until she gets lucky. Best kind of strats.

[SnowFire]

Cyrus:  0.80 PDur, 0.87 MDur, slow, regens 10% HP per turn.  If using the t1-t4 average, he deals (if he unloads on the last turn) 0.51 damage on turn 1, 1.02 damage by turn 2, etc.  His 3 BP zap is about 1.01 PCHP in a single turn for healer bustin'.

Cyrus (Octopath Traveler) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia)
Zelos surely 2HKOs first.
Cyrus vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)
Cyrus easily 2HKOs through regen since he's hitting an elemental weakness.  Can Karin 2HKO back?  Dhyer's topic seems to suggest "no", even her slower damage is a bit below average, arguably might hit the wrong defense score, and Cyrus has regen.
Cyrus vs. Teddie (Persona 4)
No vote, but I have to assume that Teddie is getting zapped by Lightning here, unless he has an amazing plan on turn 1.
Cyrus vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)
While I'm skeptical of Tony elemental defense hype (the form that has it exists before you even have Blast, IIRC), don't see why he can't 2HKO first here and barely avoid a OHKO.  Cyrus can equip for evade I guess, depends on how much Tony inaccuracy is hyped?  Leaning this way for now.
Cyrus vs. Sage (FF3 DS)
I seem to recall Sage's agility being pretty dire, so Cyrus might actually outspeed here.  That said, mildly above average magic defense = Cyrus isn't 2HKOing = Sage gets some turn 2 status to work.
Cyrus vs. Red XIII (FF7)
Faster, 2HKOs through the regen.
Cyrus vs. Kellam (FE Awakening)
If Cyrus doubled here, he could Defend -> KO off a 2 BP boosted Fire Storm doubled, but Kellam's not THAT slow, so he just 2HKOs instead.  Cyrus could go for a YOLO evade set up but nah.
Cyrus vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)
Lucca switches to magic tank mode for this.
Cyrus vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)
They each 3HKO, but Cyrus is somehow faster.
Cyrus vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine)
Cyrus 2HKOs.  On one hand, Dave will have some style loss from going desperate, but on the other hand his "real" 3-turn in the DL is to inflict Vulnerable with Breach rather than use Cheat Code, which buffs his damage back up, so I think Null will still OHKO Cyrus on his 3rd turn while in Desperation.


Felicia's BR Flame Shuriken Maid form is a bit better than Strategist, so usually assuming that.

Felicia (FE Fates) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia)
Zelos might OHKO, and is tanky enough to not be 2HKO'd?  He does have WTD though.  Inclined to see him as faster due to ToS mages existing though.
Felicia vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)
Felicia should double and have counterattacks.
EDIT: Hmm, Random says Karin is a tad faster than average, and Maid move doesn't help her case for winning tiebreaks.  If Karin goes first and isn't doubled, then she wins, sure.
Felicia vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)
It's close, but I don't think Felicia 2HKOs even with the debuff, and that's that.
Felicia vs. Sage (FF3 DS)
Sage is getting doubled & debuffed & rams into Tomebreaker so not really sure what his plan is.  Heal-locked at best.
Felicia vs. Red XIII (FF7)
Red 2HKOs, can Felicia 3HKO without waking up a limit?  Nah, I'm not sure she 3HKOs at all, never mind evading the limit.
Felicia vs. Kellam (FE Awakening)
Kellam barely misses the OHKO to me, and he needs it as he gets horribly massacred due to range advantage doubles.  Also no WTD for Maid Felicia here, just Strategist.
Felicia vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)
Felicia's BR form is nearly mono-fire which is bad news vs. Lucca (I guess allowing FELICIA'S PLATE would help?!), and even allowing Strategist her PDur is bad enough for Wondershot hype, yeah.
Felicia vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)
Felicia's preferred kind of opponent, yeah.
Felicia vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine)
Huh, Felicia might actually want Strategist for the higher move range so she goes first here.  Anyway, even Maid Felicia doesn't quite OHKO off her opening double, so she can't really stop Dave from doing his nonsense on turn 3, don't think Null gets hit by Tomebreaker and probably hits raw HP and not sure the Mag debuff even works against it.  Strategist might force Dave to be desperate on turn 2, though, which might actually win as Dave would have to OHKO with an unboosted Null.  Coinflip match that also has formchoice headache.
EDIT: Hmm, Felicia doesn't double average per Random, so I suppose that makes this a more clean win for Dave - if Felicia needs to wait 'till turn 3 to kill, she's in a bad spot.


Cyrus: 2-7, although probably 3-9 off Teddie/Juno/Gryz guesses (assuming Crash is turn 1 vs. Cyrus Strength, even despite the Fire weakness).  Yeah seems safe enough for Light.
Felicia: 3-6.  Yeah, not so great in Middle when she isn't spoiling, although still seemingly maybe too dangerous for Light?

[Random Consonant]

Felicia should double and have counterattacks.

Okay for starters, Felicia is +1 AS against average going by Birthright (yes, this is factoring the speed boost from using shurikens, Felicia is not a fast PC) so hyping doubles here is some pretty strong nonsense and furthermore Karin is, however technically, above average speed, and as such is going first and 2HKOing because even in her more physically durable class Felicia is not physically durable, and there's very little that can be done to prevent this as she does so with her basic, non-laggy physical.

[SnowFire]

I misremembered the Fates speed average as lower than it was.  For what it's worth, I always use the combined average for everybody in Fates a la Front Mission 3, so Felicia is 31 Speed to a 27.2 combined average - +3.8, or +3.5 if Felicia's speed is taken at 30.7.  Which won't double Karin, right, but when I wrote the above, I was remembering average as 1 point lower, so she'd double average narrowly.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Sei vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2): I'm a bit confused by drain hype here, it doesn't actually overpower Karin's own regen. I guess the argument is that he waits for Karin to go berserk? But man, I have serious doubts that he can press an offence against berserk Karin anyway.
Sei vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV): On the other hand he can overpower Gryz slowly but steadily I think. War Cry makes it kinda interesting but not really.
Sei vs. Juno (Soul Nomad): Probably.
Sei vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4): Micro Missile should hit Sei's bad blunt defence (Saga missiles do) and he gets periodic tripleturns I think that's too much. Sei hardly gets non-drain turns which gives Tony too much time.
Sei vs. Sage (FF3 DS): Status-off. Sei is faster and his status is more accurate, though Sage might have better status defence. Of course Sage's status (petrify) wins while Sei's just results in Sage throwing MT at himself and healing/buffing Sei (which doesn't help since Sei quarters healing). Kusanagi might win during that time, I dunno. It probably needs to 3HKO. Kneejerk is that it won't, but we don't have FF3 durability stats so I could be wrong.
Sei vs. Red XIII (FF7): Block charm, I imagine the rest is right.
Sei vs. Kellam (FE Awakening): Kellam hits the wrong defence and his javelins scare nothing.
Sei vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger): Lucca kinda mocks HPDrain, but might Sei actually win a slugfest with Kusanagi?! ... yeah, he 3HKOs, is faster, and can dodge one Flare. Wow. Saga monster damage wins!
Sei vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV): Oh finally, someone with draining resistance. He also hits the right defence, so can win in 4 turns, and Sei isn't 4HKOing (or even 5HKOing) first.
Sei vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine): Trusting Dhyer here.

Cyrus vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2): Ice weakness allows a 2HKO through regen, yeah.
Cyrus vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV): Crash.
Cyrus vs. Juno (Soul Nomad): Faster, enough mdur to avoid the 2HKO? Probably.
Cyrus vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4): Mentioned this in chat, but for the record Tony does indeed resist elements in his final form, so he kinda dunks on Cyrus here.
Cyrus vs. Sage (FF3 DS): Echoing Snowfire: Cyrus absolutely goes first, but probably misses the 2HKO, and Sage has lots of turn-2 status options.
Cyrus vs. Red XIII (FF7): Hm does Red do 44% to average? Huh, yeah, barely - I get 45% using the three-turn average which includes a L1.
Cyrus vs. Kellam (FE Awakening): I really want to vote for Cyrus here but I guess whoever goes first 2HKOs and wins and yeah I don't think I factor in threat range enough for this.
Cyrus vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger): Magic tankin' all day.
Cyrus vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV): Cyrus is absolutely faster by turn 2, yeah. Octopath speed doesn't do much after turn 1.
Cyrus vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine): Another "trust others" vote on Dave.

Felicia vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2): Faster, 2HKOs and isn't 2HKOed.
Felicia vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV): Crash vs mages part 2.
Felicia vs. Juno (Soul Nomad): OHKOs after an attack buff.
Felicia vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4): Elemental resistance again.
Felicia vs. Sage (FF3 DS): Doubles and has Tomebreaker, that's surely too much.
Felicia vs. Red XIII (FF7): Faster, 2HKOs and isn't 2HKOed.
Felicia vs. Kellam (FE Awakening): Brave Lance claims a OHKO.
Felicia vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger): Either fire defence or MDef trolls either Felicia form. Wondershot... 3HKOs on average, which does give Felicia 5 attacks to work with first, but I doubt that's enough.
Felicia vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV): Yeah, willing to buy her doubling here and that's that.
Felicia vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine): And again.

Sei 4-6
Cyrus 2-8
Felicia 2-8

Pretty tough field (mix of L/M borderliners and true M, no true L that I can see), Cyrus would go better than 2-8 against a true borderline.

Skipping Zangetsu, file "care.attempt" not found.

[Pyro]

Morrie's claim to fame is a middling turn 3 OHKO that is good for busting low damage healers.

Morrie (DQ8 DS) vs. Zelos (Tales of Symphonia): 3HKOs first
Morrie vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2): And again.
Morrie vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV): 3HKOs.
Morrie vs. Teddie (Persona 4): Same theme but can tank it with buffs too.
Morrie vs. Juno (Soul Nomad): KOs first.
Morrie vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4): Not sure on this one admittedly.
Morrie vs. Sage (FF3 DS)
Morrie vs. Red XIII (FF7): 3HKos first?
Morrie vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger): I think he has the fire resist to tank 2 Lucca turns for this.
Morrie vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV): 3HKOs first probably doesn't need to.
Morrie vs. Dave (Cosmic Star Heroine) : Has enough time.

[superaielman]

I'm zombing this to get my own thoughts about the cast out here. Adding the other low OT characters for comparison.

Cyrus vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)- What a weird fight. Cyrus 2HKOs thanks to Karin's weakness to ice; it's enough of a boost that I don't have to think about her regen tipping it. His own regen means Karen's not 2HKOing back.
Cyrus vs. Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)- Crash. Cyrus is doing a hideous amount of damage on his first turn but it's not enough.
Cyrus vs. Teddie (Persona 4)- Teddie's going first here but it's not enough. Even if Teddie boosts his defense *and* it's enough to stave off the OHKO, he's horribly heal locked until Cyrus's limit. Or to put it another way and respond to Snowfire a year later: Teddie's plan is to run screaming from this fight.
Cyrus vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)- Different tiers of Middle here.
Cyrus vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)- Elemental defense.
Cyrus vs. Red XIII (FF7)- Way too much offense.
Cyrus vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)- Magic defense. Cyrus's magic durability is bad, just in case he needed more issues here.
Cyrus vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)-...Cyrus is faster? FFS Cray.

Ophilia vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)-I think she runs Ophilia out of SP before she herself runs out of MP/SP.
Ophilia vs.Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)- Crash.
Ophilia vs. Teddie (Persona 4)- Deeper resources. Teddie's faster to boot which is a problem as well. 
Ophilia vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)- She has a good matchup against Clerics as well, in case Ophilia didn't have enough issues.
Ophilia vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)- Ophilia needs a OHKO here and I don't think she scrapes it? Open to arguments here.
Ophilia vs. Red XIII (FF7)- Heal lock.
Ophilia vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)- I think? Gods this is sad. Philia's faster but she's doing almost no damage; Lucca probably is going for Chaos off her weapon here.
Ophilia vs. Cray (Breath of Fire IV)-This fucking fight. Cray needs speed-might to heal lock, so Ophilia's getting two free actions and a fully boosted attack. I don't think that's enough to kill Cray, but it's close. Fight could easily flip; definitely would vote for Ophilia if Cray is slower on turn two even after Speed. He might well be due to OT speed and Cray agility being such trash.


H'annit vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)[/b]-I don't think Karin can 2HKO H'annit. Her turn three should be fatal, doubt the regen's enough to tip it.
H'annit vs.Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)- Crash.
H'annit vs. Teddie (Persona 4)-Thunder weakness gives H'annit extra offense here; Teddie's constantly on the defensive thanks to being slower turn one and has to keep his defenses buffed at all times to avoid being killed by her limit. Doubt Teddie can pull this off.
H'annit vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)-  Juno is strong against Archers. That's real bad.
H'annit vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)- Speed kills.
H'annit vs. Red XIII (FF7)- Go first, 2HKO. H'annit would need a lucky Patience proc in order to win this.
H'annit vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)- Lucca should just 2HKO and should just avoid a 2HKO back.
H'annit vs.Cray (Breath of Fire IV)- Leaning this way; H'annit is hitting the wrong defensive stat and does not like Protect. It's possible some combination of Legtrap and Patience tips this but eh.

Primrose vs. Karin (Shadow Hearts 2)- Anne's cross means she doesn't even have a confuse argument here.
Primrose vs.Gryz (Phantasy Star IV)- Crash.
Primrose vs. Teddie (Persona 4)- Primrose really can't deal with Middle level healers.
Primrose vs. Juno (Soul Nomad)-  * Checks Primrose's defensive match against dancers * …........NEXT.
Primrose vs. Tony (Wild Arms 4)- Too much offense.
Primrose vs. Red XIII (FF7)- Nope. 
Primrose vs. Lucca (Chrono Trigger)- Primrose's physical offense is bad.
Primrose vs.Cray (Breath of Fire IV)- Buff to a OHKO.


Cyrus: 3-5. L/M borderliner. Two of his three wins were by the skin of his teeth; his regen did a lot of work here. It covers his bad durability way too often.
H'annit- 2-6. L/M borderliner; field played less to her than it did Cyrus. Possible a match or two could flip.
Ophilia: 0-8. Still think she's a light, but this field was strong for an L/M group. Could have won a couple of matches.
Primrose: 0-8. There was no winning here.

[DragonKnight Zero]

It was on the back of my mind when the topic was current so...

Throwing a different Numan Revolution character (which no one but me will ever vote on) at the field.  Nei may be too strong for this group but I'm going off my lack of respect for Phantasy Star 2 PCs here.  Dual claws are about 44% physical damage to average; stacking two Shifts pushes it into 2HKO range at 51%.  Her defense is about 90% average raw but the gap is smaller due to how PS2 defense works.  Also, high speed and Deban gives quite high durability.

PS2 Numan Revolution Nei vs Zelos Wilder - Far enough to get a feel for this.  Zelos doesn't have the oomph to punch past Deban.  So Nei has enough time to buff and blitz.
Numan Revolution Nei vs Gryz - Gryz's low speed means he'd only get one turn under an attack blitz.  One turn is enough.  Crash is very accurate.
Numan Revolution Nei vs Red XIII - I think.  Nei goes first and uses Deban.  Can probably tank a Sled Fang at full health and can stack Shift to bust past a L2 or L3 limit.  However...
Numan Revolution Nei vs Red XIII (with Mystile and one phantom ally): Having only evadable physicals is very bad against Lunatic High's evasion boost.  The phantom ally doesn't do anything; it's just there so Lunatic High gives the max 100% mult to evade.
Numan Revolution Nei vs Lucca - Goes first and uses Deban and Lucca has problems.  Can stall with Hypno Wave or Shock Wave Chaos procs but being slower doesn't let her capitalize off her status as well.  Flare isn't doing enough to force a heal lock.  Protect helps but even one failed status proc will put Lucca behind the damage race.  Not 100% Nei; Lucca could win in theory if Shock Wave procs something like 30 times in a row.