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« Reply #225 on: July 08, 2008, 09:09:04 AM »
Cue the need for Xer to look up Pink Flamingos and find out what the last scene is.  Edit - It is a John Waters movie I mean, not the Electric Six song.
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« Reply #226 on: July 08, 2008, 12:28:40 PM »
Cue the need for Xer to look up Pink Flamingos and find out what the last scene is.  Edit - It is a John Waters movie I mean, not the Electric Six song.

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« Reply #227 on: July 08, 2008, 01:23:44 PM »
I was of the impression that it was the ultimate in lose and all signs point to it (manufactured phenomenon, this factor being pretty much acknowledged in all the propaganda) and yet there seems to be people on the internet honestly praising it for being any good instead of just a jumbled pile of unoriginal crap.

I have a question.  Why are you all watching a show that you think is crap?  More to the point, why are you enjoying it so much?  Are trainwrecks really that entertaining?  I dunno, I mean...yes, things that are complete failure are entertaining, see the X movie and all, but are they really entertaining enough to last 2 seasons?
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« Reply #228 on: July 08, 2008, 02:56:17 PM »
I genuinely think Geass is pretty good.

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« Reply #229 on: July 08, 2008, 07:05:02 PM »
I was of the impression that it was the ultimate in lose and all signs point to it (manufactured phenomenon, this factor being pretty much acknowledged in all the propaganda) and yet there seems to be people on the internet honestly praising it for being any good instead of just a jumbled pile of unoriginal crap.

I have a question.  Why are you all watching a show that you think is crap?  More to the point, why are you enjoying it so much?  Are trainwrecks really that entertaining?  I dunno, I mean...yes, things that are complete failure are entertaining, see the X movie and all, but are they really entertaining enough to last 2 seasons?

It has the same appeal as a plane accident that happens in your neighborhood, essentially. It's too horrible to stare straight at it, but too primitively fascinating to not look at.
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« Reply #230 on: July 08, 2008, 07:48:52 PM »
I was of the impression that it was the ultimate in lose and all signs point to it (manufactured phenomenon, this factor being pretty much acknowledged in all the propaganda) and yet there seems to be people on the internet honestly praising it for being any good instead of just a jumbled pile of unoriginal crap.

I have a question.  Why are you all watching a show that you think is crap?  More to the point, why are you enjoying it so much?  Are trainwrecks really that entertaining?  I dunno, I mean...yes, things that are complete failure are entertaining, see the X movie and all, but are they really entertaining enough to last 2 seasons?

And now I'm depressed.  Thank you...

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« Reply #231 on: July 08, 2008, 08:52:47 PM »
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-07-08/sayonara-zetsubo-sensei-manga-to-bundle-2-anime-dvds

More SZS! Sort of. Not sure on the episode count, but I doubt it'd be more than 1 or 2 a disk.

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« Reply #232 on: July 08, 2008, 09:59:34 PM »
I was of the impression that it was the ultimate in lose and all signs point to it (manufactured phenomenon, this factor being pretty much acknowledged in all the propaganda) and yet there seems to be people on the internet honestly praising it for being any good instead of just a jumbled pile of unoriginal crap.

I have a question.  Why are you all watching a show that you think is crap?  More to the point, why are you enjoying it so much?  Are trainwrecks really that entertaining?  I dunno, I mean...yes, things that are complete failure are entertaining, see the X movie and all, but are they really entertaining enough to last 2 seasons?

And now I'm depressed.  Thank you...


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« Reply #233 on: July 08, 2008, 10:50:24 PM »
Well, you watched Paprika. That's enough of a start on watching good stuff. Now watch the rest of Satoshi Kon's work.

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« Reply #234 on: July 08, 2008, 11:42:02 PM »
If you actually enjoy it despite thinking it has bad writing or whatever, you can uses phrases like "good for the wrong reasons" or "so bad it's good."  That makes more sense than consistently calling it crap while talking about how much fun it is to keep watching where it goes, which is what was confusing Jim, I think ("This show sucks!  How awesome is that!!" is a kind of weird sentiment).

I do think it's a little weird how the show apparently divided people into two camps: "ugh, this wacky trainwreck is too wacky and stupid, this show sucks" vs. "woo, this wacky trainwreck is wacky and stupid, I just can't look away!!"  For me the show pretty rapidly became "this doesn't really seem to be going anywhere interesting and I'm too bored with it to bother with any more episodes."  Instead of zomg trainwreck!, I mostly saw insipid storytelling that wasn't really offering anything I cared about.

I'm not really trying to argue with anyone about the show's quality, it seems clear that it's made a strong impact on everybody else already.  I'm just noting that I'm kind of left out, because on me it didn't.  I guess it's possible that I would have seen what you all meant if I'd kept watching, but that's not a really attractive option either.

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« Reply #235 on: July 08, 2008, 11:50:40 PM »
I don't think Geass is the ULTIMATE ENJOYMENT, BEST THERE EVER WAS, but it's the only anime I find remotely tolerable to watch this season. Sure, it's not exactly 100% pure win and awesome, but sometimes you just have to accept some flaws and enjoy the good. I think S1 was a bit better than S2, as it seemed to base itself around the conflict between Lelouch and Suzaku's views in how to make the world a better place, and throughout the series you are swung between Lelouch and Suzaku, who are neither really the archtypical hero.

In S2, neither continues to be the archtypical hero, but the plot focuses a bit more on Lelouch VS Rest of the World rather than Lelouch VS Suzaku. Meh.

My brother bought me Paprika but I have yet to watch it. Is it really that good?

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« Reply #236 on: July 09, 2008, 12:19:05 AM »
Are you guys trying to imply there's stuff to Geass besides the fabulously GAR Schneizel?

Also, Paprika is gud.


Oh, and one more thing. If you'd like to see someone who is delusional about Geass (and animu in general), read this - http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2008/06/24/focal-point-thinking-is-not-entertaining/
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« Reply #237 on: July 09, 2008, 02:29:19 AM »
I was of the impression that it was the ultimate in lose and all signs point to it (manufactured phenomenon, this factor being pretty much acknowledged in all the propaganda) and yet there seems to be people on the internet honestly praising it for being any good instead of just a jumbled pile of unoriginal crap.

I have a question.  Why are you all watching a show that you think is crap?  More to the point, why are you enjoying it so much?  Are trainwrecks really that entertaining?  I dunno, I mean...yes, things that are complete failure are entertaining, see the X movie and all, but are they really entertaining enough to last 2 seasons?

The show is basically how Japanese anime archetypes making fun of themselves. They lack substances, but amusing the moment the charade lasted. It is kinda like eating fast food.... Speaking of which, Coed Geass is indeed fast food. The speed they swap arch types over the characters and tossing out their "plot twists" are just.... Yeah, I lack words.

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« Reply #238 on: July 09, 2008, 02:46:57 AM »
The show is basically how Japanese anime archetypes making fun of themselves. They lack substances, but amusing the moment the charade lasted. It is kinda like eating fast food.... Speaking of which, Coed Geass is indeed fast food. The speed they swap arch types over the characters and tossing out their "plot twists" are just.... Yeah, I lack words.

funny.  I always thought of One Piece as anime popcorn.  Of course, popcorn isn't bad for you in large quantities.
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« Reply #239 on: July 09, 2008, 08:48:29 AM »
I don't think Geass is the ULTIMATE ENJOYMENT, BEST THERE EVER WAS, but it's the only anime I find remotely tolerable to watch this season. Sure, it's not exactly 100% pure win and awesome, but sometimes you just have to accept some flaws and enjoy the good. I think S1 was a bit better than S2, as it seemed to base itself around the conflict between Lelouch and Suzaku's views in how to make the world a better place, and throughout the series you are swung between Lelouch and Suzaku, who are neither really the archtypical hero.

In S2, neither continues to be the archtypical hero, but the plot focuses a bit more on Lelouch VS Rest of the World rather than Lelouch VS Suzaku. Meh.

My brother bought me Paprika but I have yet to watch it. Is it really that good?

See all of that stuff with the plot?  That mixed with the fact that it is about a high school student who is (secretly!) the former crown prince that abdicated at age 10 (Hi, we are royalty, lets completely overreact) fights in a giant robot and has psi powers is what bothers me. 

Sure, Gainax kind of got away with part of it in Gunbuster (teenagers in robots), but it is an exception and had a setting built around it, also Gainax vs something involving CLAMP.  Gainax have their highs and lows, but they certainly have the balls large enough to swing it and get away with it.

Since when hasn't Anti-hero been an archetype now?  That is all the Lelouch smells like.

I wouldn't be adverse to a story based around two conflicting ideologies, but when you wrap it up in FMP (which is already bad) mixed with Everyone Is Royalty crap (see most RPG plots, alternately, Sailor Moon) and throw in ... what I dunno, Akira is the only anime that springs immediately to mind for Psi.  No, I am not going to be receptive.  It is just a gigantic stretch of random crap all blended up.  There is just so many better ways to represent that kind of conflict (Just off hand I would say Monster and shit even freaking Death Note sounds like a better way of showing it than TEENS IN SUPER ROBOTS).  It is like trying to take Gundam seriously rather than it being giant robots punching each other in the crotch repeatedly.
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« Reply #240 on: July 09, 2008, 09:18:19 AM »
Just a thing Gref.
Code Geass involve no super robots, and Lulu is very bad at them. Lulu being another robot piloting teenager is not a part of the train wreck equation, but the fact Sunrise tried too hard at making Lulu suck at piloting robots. How Lakshaata end up designing a mech that requires no piloting for Lulu is a part of it.

...and yeah, Gef, you are probably attacking on the wrong side of the trainwrec equation.
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« Reply #241 on: July 09, 2008, 09:23:29 AM »
Fair enough then on that point at least.
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« Reply #242 on: July 12, 2008, 11:54:44 PM »
Hmm. 

Code Geass: I genuinely enjoyed the first season.  Yes, it was ridiculous, but it was also awesome.  I also appreciated that Lelouch was not a natural mech pilot, and only won via cheating wildly.  However, haven't really liked what I've heard about Season 2, and the last double episode of Season 1 was...  too much of a mess for my tastes.  The first two episodes of the series was arguably three episodes crammed into one, but the last two were, like, six episodes crammed into two.  I can hand-wave some of the parts they obviously skipped, but it degenerated into incoherence.  Fail.

Baccano! : Just started & finished this recently.  Quite solid; it's got a great opening and a great cast that has chemistry and charisma.  Only complaints are some moral qualms and some loose ends.  Generally a sucker for the "ensemble cast of intersecting stories" style anyway.  Though the names...  yeah, a friend of mine put it best when he said "It's like an Ian Fleming fever dream."  Jacuzzi Splot?  A train called the "Flying Pussyfoot?!"  Notable loose ends left, or maybe things I just plain missed:

(Edit: [spoiler][/spoiler] tag isn't working?  Eh, black text instead, I guess.)
So what was it Nice/Jacuzzi were trying to steal on the train?  Just random luggage?  I assumed it was something specific.  And Senator Beriam implied that something incredibly important but dangerous was being transported on the train.  What was it?  I assumed that it was what they were trying to steal, but they never clarified that point...  nor, for that matter, ever returned to the government responding to the Lemures' demands.  I guess they ignored them.  For that matter, they never really explained what Huey LaForte was up to, why he was in prison, if he actually had any secret to share (only Maiza knew the formula at first, right?), and so on.  Less upset about that, because that's an acceptable mystery to leave open, I suppose. This also left out what exactly the demon's plan was - were they supposed to kill each other Highlander style?  Huey apparently tried to carry out the demon's plan, I guess, which is why he was in jail is my best guess.  I suppose finishing the demon's plot would have been too dark in tone for a mostly zany series.  That or it really wasn't a bad demon after all, which would be just bizarre considering the fairly horrible temptation with the "eating" thing going on.

They also left Ladd at where he was in Episode I - threatening to kill Lua, about to be arrested.

They also missed out an action scene in which the remaining members of Ladd's gang / Lemures were cleaned up and killed/captured by Our Heroes.  Eh, whatever, not a loose end, but still a bit surprising.  Guess they ran out of time.


As for the moral qualms...  the way they draw Eve's servant is Not Okay.  Japan should know better by now that the "hugely inflated lips + puffy cheeks" style of drawing black women from the 50s is past its expiration date.  An error of ignorance rather than malice, for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if an American licenser would want the scenes she's in retouched. There's a certain amount of torture porn to the show as well, though I guess that's to be expected when the main characters are mobsters & thieves.  Also, how they resolve a certain insane serial killer's plot strongly implies that the narrative voice of the show is more sympathetic to him than I was.  Giving him a motive != killing everyone is fine.

I refer, of course, to Vino, who struck me as the "big boss" I was waiting for a confrontation with.  I was assuming that Ladd/ Chane would kill or at least defeat him, but...  he and Chane want to get married?!  And Vino is on good terms with the mostly sympathetic Gandors?  Charitably, I'm going to assume that the Gandors don't know about the STRING OF SERIAL KILLINGS in towns that he's visited (where he didn't have the "you killed my friend conductor" excuse).  It's very bad if freaking' insane LADD RUSSO is more sympathetic than you are.  Having an unspecified moral code in his killings and torture does not mean he's a good guy!

Daughter of Twenty Faces: I like the concept of the show, but the first three episodes totally didn't do it for me.  Continued with the show on Cryo's recommendation, and...  still very mixed feelings.  The show has flashes of awesome, for sure, but I have a strong feeling that I'm not going to like where the show ends up going.

The first few episodes are meh.  The plots are played for comic relief mostly...  "haha I already knew what you were up to and pre-empted your inevitable betrayal" is pretty much it.  I suppose they don't really have time to do these plots out in full, but only Chiko gets character development worth a damn in the intervening time (...okay, except for Angie in Episode 5.).  As noted for Code Geass above, I don't mind a silly plot if that can be made up with awesome  instead, but D20F doesn't really do so to my satisfaction.  Acceptable for a silly show aimed at a young audience, but I'll pass myself.  And Twenty Faces is one of those "I've already read the script" characters, who are normally bystanders or villains for a very good reason: they break the plot.

The show shifts tones without a clutch eventually, probably putting off people who liked the silliness of the show previously, but at least rescuing my interest (though it's aggravating when a comic relief villain who's ineffective magically becomes a credible threat who can cause real damage).  And...  some of the episodes since then have been interesting and good.  However, I suspect this is one of those shows where I like the random episodes and dislike the main plot, because...

Twenty Faces really needs to be dead, for a whole variety of reasons.  Sure, explore Twenty Faces' legacy, yes, learn his dark past and his research, have Chiko take it up herself, etc...  but he needs to be freakin' dead.  Odds of this happening, considering the irresistable temptation with him as a master of disguise to pop up towards the end and have been some character all along?  Low, alas, but I do hope they do that.

1. He deserves to be dead.  He was a moron and refused to finish Tiger off after Tiger had just killed his friends and associates, or at least disable Tiger and keep an eye on him.  So yeah.
2. The train was not a good excuse for not immediately coming back into contact with Chiko & Tony.  If he'd lived, all he had to do was jump off (he'd done plenty of ridiculous things), or at least slip back to Japan later.  The fact he didn't presumably means he couldn't.
3. If he was horribly wounded and has been in a hospital this whole time, the main detective guy (from the books this was based on) would have found him instantly.  Look for burn patient in town near where train incident happened.
4. Twenty Faces' general existence breaks plots everywhere, since they've built him up to be the ultimate supergenius.  Best not to have him around.  This is the big one, really.

So, yeah.  If he's dead?  Points for guts.  If he's alive... but evil?  That's acceptable, at least, since now he's a bad guy supergenius and has a solid excuse for abandoning Chiko & Tony.  If "I'm sorry Chiko but you had to learn the rest on your own?!"  Extreme fail.


And judging by the most recent episode, they're taking a break from slow-building random problems and switching into plot mode?  I hope not.  Also BLATANT MAGIC.  Which I wish they'd keep to a minimum for a show that theoretically should have some detective work eventually, which magic complicates.  Stick to the steampunk super-science.

As a random comment...  is Shunka actually supposed to be white?  The series has generally shown most Japanese as having black hair (correctly), and it's easy to assume that Chiko's uncle married a woman of European descent (an evil one, but details).  Shunka stands out as one of the rare Japanese people with brown hair and blue eyes.  Normally I'd just write that off as anime crazy hairstyles, but they're consistent enough elsewhere that I have to wonder if that was intentional.  Not really a big deal, but a bit of an oddity.
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« Reply #243 on: July 13, 2008, 12:46:31 AM »
The thing about Geass is that the writers try sooooooo hard to cram as many plot twists into every single episode as humanly possible, coherency and pacing be damned, the end result is hilarious.  This is a show where a seemingly important character is introduced in one episode, has a huge number of police officers shoot at him at the end of that episode, seemingly killing him, then is brought back two episodes later with the excuse that the police were only commanded to shoot him, not kill him, and Britannian medicine is really good.  Oh, and then he's killed at the end of this episode.

In between he attempts to chop a major female character into pieces and carry her off in a suitcase (she's immortal, so she'd survive).  Oh, and another character develops the ability to outrun bullets and walljump out of absolutely nowhere.

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« Reply #244 on: July 13, 2008, 01:21:27 AM »
Augh Strike Witches.

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« Reply #245 on: July 13, 2008, 01:53:54 AM »
Don't forget kicking through solid steel, hinode.

Daughter of Twenty Faces: Its entertaining enough, but hasn't reached the dramatic level of episode 6. I'm not very excited about the show right now. Still watching it, granted.

Birdy the Mighty: Weird, but well-animated from what I've seen and seems fun.

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« Reply #246 on: July 13, 2008, 01:56:37 AM »
This is a show where a seemingly important character is introduced in one episode, has a huge number of police officers shoot at him at the end of that episode, seemingly killing him, then is brought back two episodes later with the excuse that the police were only commanded to shoot him, not kill him, and Britannian medicine is really good.  Oh, and then he's killed at the end of this episode.

The particularly hilarious part is when, about ten episodes later, Euphemia is killed by a single needleshot from Ledouche and Britannian medicine fails her. The series twists its logic for the sake of plot twisting so badly that it turns self-parody really fast.
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« Reply #247 on: July 13, 2008, 06:24:59 AM »
Snowfire (Baccano stuff):

If Vino's a "big boss" character, who exactly is the protagonist?  Who's opposed to him?  Only one man ever makes any real effort to kill him, and he can't do it, although Vino spares him.  That's it.  He gets away with it because nobody's strong enough to stop him.  Jacuzzi may have a fairly Hollywood-style plot arc complete with a satisfying resolution, with a villain defeated and so forth, but that doesn't mean the other subplots are going to go the same way.  I don't think the lesson is "Vino is a totally moral character and he gets a good ending because everything he does is justified," I just think Vino is strong enough to give the good ending to himself anyway.

Jacuzzi & Co. were trying to steal the new explosives, which were mentioned in passing by some gossipy unimportant characters in an early episode.  They succeeded.  In one of the extra episodes (
episodes 14, 15, and 16 were released as a sort of epilogue and you should watch them) you hear them talking about disposing of the goods on the black market, which may or may not make them a little darker to you (well, Jacuzzi did declare that he was going to be the biggest villain on the train, although he was really aiming high there).

Huey never learned how to make the serum and he had no way of making his supposed "disciples" immortal.  It was all wishful thinking on their part.

You also see other members of Ladd's gang reaching their destination and wondering what to do next, in the epilogue episodes.  Other stuff gets tied up too.  Watch 'em.

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« Reply #248 on: July 13, 2008, 10:43:21 AM »
I think if Clare is to be the boss character, the biggest problem is who can beat him... even the author himself declares that Clare is just that many tiers above the rest of the cast that if he is the main character of the series instead, the entire story would over in mere 30 pages. Plus, Viralesc already take the seat of the boss character, there is no reason to escalate Clare into something he isn't.

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« Reply #249 on: July 13, 2008, 02:11:00 PM »
Augh Strike Witches.

You either love it or you hate it.

There...there's something to love?  Isn't it just plotless lolibots flying around in their undies?  Is there something I'm missing here?
Rocky: you do know what an A-bomb is, right?
Bullwinkle: A-bomb is what some people call our show!
Rocky: I don't think that's very funny...
Bullwinkle: Neither do they, apparently!