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Re: Books
« Reply #300 on: April 07, 2009, 11:32:17 PM »
Try the Chuck Austen run on X-Men. It has way less in the way of redeeming points.

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« Reply #301 on: April 07, 2009, 11:52:54 PM »
Try the Chuck Austen run on X-Men. It has way less in the way of redeeming points.

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« Reply #302 on: April 10, 2009, 11:18:27 PM »
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Re: Books
« Reply #303 on: April 13, 2009, 07:11:32 AM »
So I found a Terry Pratchett novel left over from the previous tenant of my house. Since English-language books are rare in Japan, I eagerly began reading it!

Going Postal, by Terry Pratchett, for the few of you who haven't read it, takes place in the infamous Discworld universe (of which I've only read one other book...). It stars an ex-con-artist who gets conned/threatened by a larger, better con-artist (the governor! Oooh, BURN~, Mr. Pratchett!) into becoming the CEO of the decrepit postal service which has been put out of business by a fantasy version of the internet, the Clacks Towers.

The book features a lot of really well-told humorous moments, and a really likable main character. In fact, he's so likable that he borders on a wish-fulfillment-type character at times. But since I like having fun, I'm perfectly okay with his ability to get through life on good luck and charm - he acknowledges this himself to the reader several times, so the whole thing feels like a big in-joke between you and good ol' Mr. Pratchett.

The usual creativity of Discworld seems to still be in full effect with magical physics that are more like pranks than laws, and more personified concepts than are really necessary in any one universe - but hey! It's fun!

Rounding out the humorous story of getting 50 years worth of backlogged mail delivered, Terry Pratchett has this odd tendency of trying to make jabs at serious subjects like government, religion, and economy throughout this fantasy novel which always had a jarring effect on me - I'd be engrossed in his story, reading along at a fast clip when BAM! a clumsy stab at capitalism comes out and suddenly my attention is swerving to get out of the way. While I could appreciate the separate points he was making, these loaded comments were still really distracting to me. It might just be me, though - he DID have the courtesy to make sure his comments could at least also pertain to the situation at hand in the story (See the aforementioned bigger-con-artist-as-governor joke for another example). Still, I couldn't shake the feeling that if I had heard some of these jokes on a British variety show, I would have hurled sharp objects at the TV to keep from hearing the inevitable canned 'Oooooooooh!' from the fake studio audience.

All in all, well-written, fun, and strangely pertinent to current events.

Oh, and the main character's name is Moist Lipswitch. ....? I'm guessing this is a Terry Pratchett thing.

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« Reply #304 on: April 13, 2009, 07:56:26 AM »
Moist von Lipwig, actually.
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« Reply #305 on: April 13, 2009, 01:55:19 PM »
Pratchett doesn't make veiled stabs at anything.  He makes blatant parodies/pastiche of things.  It is what he does and he does it really well.  It isn't a TAKE THAT! at capitalism but pointing to stuff and going well that is a bit fucked up, you could do a bit better there.  He is actually a really smart writer that really shines through the more of his stuff you read (very broad writing style and number of subjects) and the more you are a bit of an art lit fag.  Double plus good if you have a taste for Noir or Fairy Tales though.

Clacks != Internet.  It is a fairly straight rip of Telegram that has some humorous bits because it is used to make fun of Internet tropes (Well in Going Postal anyway, Clacks system is used to expand the setting a bit more to fit in more modern topics methinks, they are generally just used like Telegram).

Generally speaking, love more Brit humour, it is the best stuff out there.

Edit - Actually if you want internet and computer in general humor then stuff with the Wizards is where it is at.  HEX and whatnot.
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« Reply #306 on: April 13, 2009, 05:23:19 PM »
So, when you say clumsy stab at capitalism, I can only assume you're talking about the dude heading up the Clacks corporation and how he plays his investors like fiddles?  Saying this is a stab at modern capitalism is almost like saying Palpatine is a stab at W in the prequels.  The character is written in broad strokes using very old techniques and phrases, and saying they are targetted at anything is pidgeon-holing a lot of material.  If you happen to draw parallels between the character and the real world, then it is because maybe you need to take a long, hard look at what is wrong with the real world, because an over the top archetype character is drawn from far, far more than any one source.  (In the Discworld case, he is a literal pirate that everyone seems to not notice because he is 'respectable' and spends every single one of his PoV scenes trying to get people to acknowledge this.  "Pirate of Industry" is an old joke, dates at least to the 80s, but if it seems specific then maybe we are fucking up and need to hang some goddamned businessmen?  Just a thought.)
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Re: Books
« Reply #307 on: April 13, 2009, 11:01:24 PM »
I can't remember a specific quote at the moment, but when I say 'clumsy stabs', I was referring mostly to the one-liners sprinkled throughout the book which are pretty blatantly pointed at more specific subjects. I have nothing against his broad-strokes concepts like Mr. Pirate of Industry. I agree that those were handled very well.

Yes, I'm keenly aware that the Clacks = Telegram, but its whole relationship to the Post Office mirrors the Internet in this novel far more, especially towards the ending as Lipwig* considers it important not to impede 'progress' and such.

I actually really enjoyed the novel a lot and definitely consider it well-written, time-worthy, and it falls into that nebulous category of 'good'. - I hope my last post didn't come off as if I was roasting it...

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« Reply #308 on: April 14, 2009, 08:31:50 AM »
Nah, not roasting, just responding to stuff and generally hyping.  Seriously, look up the Watch books, they are pretty much the best of the best you will get (More Vetinari also).

I think you underestimate just how huge a deal telegram was when it became affordable though >_>
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Re: Books
« Reply #309 on: April 15, 2009, 03:50:29 AM »
I think you underestimate just how huge a deal telegram was when it became affordable though >_>

Perhaps. I can't say I've spent much time thinking about telegram... ever.

Could you give me the title list of the 'Watch' books? There might be another foreigner around who collects Terry Pratchett novels or something. If I know specific titles, I can ask around.

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Re: Books
« Reply #310 on: April 15, 2009, 03:55:30 AM »
In chronological order:

Guards! Guards!
Men at Arms
Feet of Clay
Jingo
Night Watch
Thud!

Vimes and the Watch also have significant cameos in The Truth, Monsterous Regiment, Going Postal and Making Money. Making Money is the sequel to Going Postal, if you're interested.

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« Reply #311 on: April 15, 2009, 04:13:29 AM »
Dark Tower 5: Wolves of the Calla. Reread finished.


It slips the mind pretty easily (And King hides it in some vague handwaving about time getting soft), but the DT crew doesn't spend all that long together. I'm not sure even a calandar month slips by from the end of book 3 till book 5.
 

The best part of Wolves of the Calla was Jake and Callahan. Callahan's stuff was great, but it belonged in it's own novel. It didn't belong in the book, not at the length and depth King went into.
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« Reply #312 on: April 15, 2009, 07:24:49 AM »
Eh, given what Djinn's said are his dislikes with Going Postal, I'd actually suggest that he not read Making Money, as it has the same problems he noted, only not as deftly handled.

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Re: Books
« Reply #313 on: April 19, 2009, 04:49:56 AM »
Neverwhere- Another Gaiman novel... not quite as good as his other stuff. Very creative, somewhat enjoyable, but... very little feeling. It didn't make me care all that much about well, anything. Just sort of whistlestop story, no real fleshing out ever. You're expected to care about Richard... when you have no real reason to ever. Door is alright, but everyone else... the Marquis has his moments, I guess. Villain is laughable, Hunter is laughable. I didn't give two shits about the betrayal. Coulda been a lot better, but wasn't. Great setting, little substance everywhere else. It appears to have been based on a BBC miniseries, so that may explain it.

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« Reply #314 on: April 19, 2009, 05:10:51 AM »
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« Reply #315 on: April 19, 2009, 05:17:36 AM »
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Currently should be translating Beowulf  rather than reading  The Outstretched Shadow by Mercedes Lackey & James Mallory or posting here.

I have an entire scale of Mercedes Lackey songs on my computer. But... they write books? Tell me more.

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Re: Books
« Reply #316 on: April 19, 2009, 05:18:24 AM »
I hate reading and also life.

I like casts of one dimensional characters!

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« Reply #317 on: April 19, 2009, 05:28:17 AM »
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« Reply #318 on: April 19, 2009, 05:29:14 AM »
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Currently should be translating Beowulf  rather than reading  The Outstretched Shadow by Mercedes Lackey & James Mallory or posting here.

I have an entire scale of Mercedes Lackey songs on my computer. But... they write books? Tell me more.

:O

Mercedes Lackey is a ridiculously prolific fantasy writer. She has several series out. (I think a lot of the songs/CDs are related to the books, but I am not all that familiar with the music.) She also co-writes a lot of books; the first I read was a co-op with Anne McCaffrey in the Brainship series. Valdemar (Heralds of Valdemar, Vows & Honor, The Last Herald Mage Trilogy, The Mage Winds Trilogy, Kerowyn's Tale, The Mage Wars, The Mage Storms Trilogy, The Owl Mage Trilogy + some short stories -- and those are all titles of collections, not individual books!) is the most popular of her worlds. I've read The Mage Wars Trilogy -- yay gryphons! yay war! -- and enjoyed it enough to then read her re-adaptation of Swan Lake (The Black Swan), the Dragon Jousters quartology and a short story here and there.

In any case, she writes fantasy stories. >_> I think she's worth a look, but as Soppy so eloquently pointed out, my tastes are too rich for some palates.

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« Reply #320 on: April 19, 2009, 05:37:58 AM »
Neverwhere was okay, but not much more than that. Worst thing I've read from Gaiman, which isn't really a grievous insult given the competition.
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« Reply #321 on: April 19, 2009, 05:40:31 AM »
I take it you haven't read his early classic, Shale Sucks Donkey Cock by Neil Gaiman
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« Reply #322 on: April 19, 2009, 05:42:53 AM »
You people probably read good books.

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« Reply #323 on: April 19, 2009, 06:45:58 AM »
Lady Door: If it makes you feel any better, I'm a fan of Mercedes Lackey's books as well (actually yoinked my forum handle from one of them).

Oddly enough, I found the books with gryphons to be the worst ones in the Valdemar series.

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« Reply #324 on: April 19, 2009, 06:54:52 AM »
They weren't my favorite. 90% of my reading choices depend on convenience -- and that one had books 1-3 actually available at the bookstore. >_>
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