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« Reply #1100 on: March 18, 2013, 08:03:20 PM »
Still in the middle of my Wheel of Time re-read. About 150 pages into book 7. The Long Slog begins.

I've also been reading John Scalzi's serialized follow-up to the Old Man's War trilogy, The Human Division. He chose to create the book as a series of interconnected but self-sustaining short stories, and release them weekly for $0.99 each. It's an interesting approach, an experiment to try something old in a new way thanks to ebooks, and I'm betting it's paying off. The second book was a growing pains moment: you pay $0.99 for each book, but they vary in length from something like 6,000 words to 22,000 words. If you see the purchase as one in a series, it's a valid investment; after all, you get the stories, live, for about the same as you'd pay for the final collected version which you have to wait until April to see. If you see the purchase as A Story, however, you're going to feel sorely cheated if you pay the same for 6,000 words by an author on a subject as someone else did for 22,000 by the same author on the same subject.

All meta about the publishing industry aside, it's an interesting addition to the canon of Old Man's War. The original trilogy + 1 (Old Man's War, Ghost Brigades, The Last Colony, Zoe's Tale) was an enjoyable near-future look at what would happen if aliens gave us the technology to jump into space and we had to deal with how to compete with a bunch of races that are variously smarter, faster, older, more advanced, better adapted, and more tenacious than us. This particular book ... well, no. So far, I can't think of it as a book. That's not so much because of it being serialized as that it's very seriously a series of stories, not a book in parts. These stories fit well into the environment, and carry the story forward. It's interesting! Following the central story thread, you can see where it picks up from where the books left off. It does leave something to be desired, though, and I feel I can lay that squarely at the feet of Scalzi Being Scalzi.

If you don't know Scalzi, know mostly that he is an outspoken liberal asshole, and he is absolutely not afraid to be snarky in pursuit of a cause. His writing is primarily identified by dialog that is quippy back-and-forth. When you separate a larger story into smaller segments, those quippy moments stop being moments and start becoming the entire vehicle for advancing the plot. It can be grating.

Nevertheless, it does make for a quick read. And he is still an effective writer. I don't think you'll find anything particularly deep or poignant here, but he has his moments.

Redshirts is his latest commercial darling, and it would be a good book to read if you want to test the waters before reading The Human Division. The writing style is most similar (which shouldn't be shocking, as it's the most recently created work next to this), and it's got a serial-format epilogue. It's a parody-style book, so keep that in mind. Definitely read Old Man's War and the others before you get to The Human Division. In short: if you want to read Scalzi, don't start with these stories. If you're okay with Scalzi, give 'em a go. It's definitely still him.
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« Reply #1101 on: March 21, 2013, 02:52:17 AM »
The Awakened Mage - Definitely the weaker of the two books other than the large amount of supervillain POV. Ah, the restrictions of possession, always amusing.

Gonna start AMOL next~

I think I like Miller's other series better. How did you stumble upon these books (kind of obsure, I think)?

Oh, not saying that Sanderson came up with that part (don't really think he came up with much himself), just that it really felt like it could have been his.

Sorry, missed this! I just was at a fantasy novel bookstore and saw the books and read the cover and grabbed them. I actually have Empress right now but been too busy with thesis writing to read it. I wanted to finish Wheel of Time first and that hasn't even happened yet.

This is an actual thing? Lucky! (I would probably buy out their whole selection).
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« Reply #1102 on: March 21, 2013, 03:03:03 AM »
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« Reply #1103 on: March 21, 2013, 05:54:13 AM »
San Feancisco has one of those, too. As does Berkeley. Combine that with a handful of respectable board game shops and a barcade or two...

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« Reply #1104 on: April 04, 2013, 04:39:08 PM »
The Way Of Kings: So I guess this is what got Sanderson the Wheel of Time gig. The inspiration is not what you'd call subtle, but it's extremely well-done nonetheless; I found it much more readable than Eye of the World even though much less actually happens. The worldbuilding is enough to keep me reading, though, action or no action (and when he does get to an action scene they're done pretty well).

On Basilisk Station: Read this for a book club I'm in. It was awful and I want to set it on fire, except it was an ebook so I can't. Boo.

Snuff: Took me long enough, but I'm finally reading the latest Discworld. It's Vimes doing Vimes things. That makes me happy. More cohesive than Unseen Academicals thus far, too. not totally thrilled with the decision to follow ORCS OUT OF NOWHERE with GOBLINS OUT OF NOWHERE, but eh. I can live with it.
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« Reply #1105 on: April 04, 2013, 05:18:19 PM »
On Basilisk Station: Read this for a book club I'm in. It was awful and I want to set it on fire, except it was an ebook so I can't. Boo.

I don't understand how Weber is so popular other than people really like Mary Sues. I actually kept going a couple books out of morbid curiosity and it's just more of the same. I'll say they get better, but they never get good. All the antagonists are cardboard cutout villains who have an unreasonable hatred for Honor, and she just keeps Mary Sue-ing the books up. It's almost sickening. Bujold is so much better than this shit it's ridiculous.

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« Reply #1106 on: April 04, 2013, 05:37:02 PM »
It was kind of hilarious to read the climactic (read: only) battle scene, where the bad guys couldn't blow up a ship one-fourth their size because they're terrible shots, and the captain takes something like a paragraph out of every page to yell at the top of his lungs that his gunners being unlucky and/or the other ship having good armor means Honor is the greatest captain in the history of the universe.
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« Reply #1107 on: April 04, 2013, 07:51:55 PM »
Haven't read much myself lately, but my mother is hacking through Sanderson novels like crazy. Not sure if I should recommend Way of Kings since it is so monstrously long, though.
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« Reply #1108 on: April 05, 2013, 12:08:14 AM »
The Way Of Kings: So I guess this is what got Sanderson the Wheel of Time gig.

Not quite -- he got it for book 3 of the Mistborn trilogy, though he was also writing Way of Kings before he set it aside to finish the series. Besides which, he accepted it because he grew up with Wheel of Time and was inspired by the epic fantasy.
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« Reply #1109 on: April 14, 2013, 05:32:26 AM »
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - So, first HP book in this current read-through that is actually a new read for me. The main thing I knew about this one is that it had a character named Professor Lupin (which a significant number of my students call me). Well, turns out that there's no insult there, Lupin is awesome. Anyway this book was solid enough, though kinda forgettable overall. At this point the books just feel a bit too episodic in nature, they will be bookended by some relatively worthless scenes with the Dursleys, the defence against the dark arts teacher will leave at the end of the year, Gryffindor will win the house cup, there will be a big plot twist late in the going (though I did like this one), and at the end everything will be effectively reset for the next book. Also Snape felt like he crossed a line into annoying caricature in this book, compared to the more nuanced "good guy" antagonist he is in the rest.

To Kill a Mockingbird - This was written in Alabama in 1960? Holy shit that's kinda badass. Anyway this is one of those books I felt like everyone had read but me, but having read it now, I can say I very easily see why it gets the respect it gets. There's some excellent point of view work (I really felt like I was seeing things through a 6-to-8 year old child), the core drama is quite gripping, and there's plenty of thought provoked - not just the obvious racial stuff, but about prejudice/intolerance in its many forms that people will hold, from the obvious to the seemingly innocent.

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - Bit of a slow start, but once it gets going it addresses a lot of my concerns about the series. The drama here, the struggles that the mains go through as teenagers, feel a lot more real and interesting than some of the stuff in previous books. Also holy shit, people die. Voldemort goes from being some distant phantom to a Really Scary Dude (he probably expositions too much in his big scene, but eh, Rowling characters do that once they decide to reveal things), we get some good backstory on the time of the Death Eaters, etc. The book still has some mechanical struggles, and in particular I thought the requisite plot twist was the series' weakest (okay, Moody being the villain, cool. Moody being actually impersonated by someone who has been shut in his house for a decade and abused by his father, but nevertheless is suave/sociopathic enough to convince everyone at Hogwarts he can teach AND convince Dumbledore that he's actually his old friend? WTF?). Ah well, still good.

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« Reply #1110 on: April 14, 2013, 06:50:21 AM »
I have a backlog of books that will take me years to catch up on, so I've resumed reading things at random.

I'm nearly finished with book #9 of Wheel of Time (Winter's Heart). It is amazing to me that Wheel of Time first reached and stayed on the NYT Bestsellers list beginning with the books everyone else on earth thinks are a slog of a read. Whatever. I've spent this much time re-reading the series, may as well keep at it.

I devoured Connie Willis' Doomsday Book which was absolutely fantastic. I can't say that my feelings for this book aren't at least a little bit about the settings (Oxford, near future? 14th century England?!), but her interpretation of time-travel and the way she replicated the kind of life I would guess someone in the 14th century might have led (without getting bogged down in the manners -- it was about circumstance, and humanity!)... super awesome. Then I come to find out that it's the first in a series, followed by Blackout/All Clear which have both been on my list for the past few months and, whew, I am excited! I definitely can see why Doomsday Book swept the awards in its year.

Going to settle down with and get through the final installment of the serially-released Human Division I talked about before. Will have some thoughts on the experiment as a whole, and on that final episode, once I've finished.
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« Reply #1111 on: April 14, 2013, 12:20:10 PM »
Connie Willis's time travel books are so great. Make sure you read To Say Nothing Of The Dog too, LD. It is wonderful.
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« Reply #1112 on: April 14, 2013, 02:13:19 PM »
Doomsday Book is one of my favorite things. Also see Shale. I have also read Lincoln's Dreams by her, and it is unsurprisingly also well worth reading. Connie Willis rocks. Blackout/All Clear are presently sitting on my desk waiting for me to finish my Song of Ice and Fire reread.

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China Mieville, Kraken: Read this a couple months ago but should've mentioned it because it is hugely entertaining. Starts out relatively sedate--guy works in a museum, somebody steals a giant squid from his museum, various parties of bizarre people take an unusual interest in the whereabouts of said squid--then slides into complete nuttiness with alarming rapidity. Which I guess I should've expected given this is the guy who wrote Perdido Street Station and one of the first things we learn in that book is that the protagonist's girlfriend has a bug for a head. Kraken is contemporary urban fantasy, which in a lesser author might just mean there are vampires and werewolves and maybe the author read a book about fairies once, but this is China Mieville so instead there are squid cults and sentient tattoo crimelords and 3000-year-old ushabti spirit labor organizers and homemade tribbles. I could not present it as a book of tremendous depth, but it is a helluva lot of fun. China Mieville is endlessly imaginative and how the hell am I the only one who ever mentions him here? Dude's gotta be a commie, given how labor disputes are a recurring theme in his books, so I figure Grefter at least might've developed an interest.

But I think what really gets me is that...well, you ever considered the notion that what draws a lot of people to Harry Potter's setting is that they like to imagine themselves part of this secret parallel society that knows how the world really works and draws special powers from that knowledge and is just way cooler than the ignorant normals as a result? I am pretty sure China Mieville has considered this. Because when in Kraken an outsider tries to infiltrate this world of urban cults and arcanists to find her lost boyfriend, everyone treats her with the snobbish contempt reserved only for that vilest of creatures, the n00b, just for asking questions any cool bro should already know the answers to.

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Herodotus, The Histories: Two pages in, I encounter the following: "Abducting young women, in their opinion, is not, indeed, a lawful act; but it is stupid after the event to make a fuss about avenging it. The only sensible thing is to take no notice; for it is obvious that no young woman allows herself to be abducted if she does not wish to be."

Cannot tell if sarcasm or not. Presumably not since ancient Greece and women.
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« Reply #1113 on: April 14, 2013, 02:16:59 PM »
The Walking Dead- I borrowed this from Shale when I went up to DC last month. I hadn't gontten around to reading it yet, and made the mistake of starting it late last night. Three hours (and one totally fucked sleeping cycle later), I had gotten through the five chapters of the walking dead compendium.

Fun read. The books focus almost entirely on the sociological and psychological breakdown of the characters, which works well enough.

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his approach works very well at making the reader comprehend the enormity of a global catastrophe and the human cost. And none of this will translate onto the screen because the only way Hollywood could possibly deal with this material is to jettison most of it and focus on an action lead.

They had to scrape the script and restart it at least once after it had gone into production. That is a real  bad sign.

 
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« Reply #1114 on: April 15, 2013, 05:46:38 PM »
Herodotus, The Histories: Two pages in, I encounter the following: "Abducting young women, in their opinion, is not, indeed, a lawful act; but it is stupid after the event to make a fuss about avenging it. The only sensible thing is to take no notice; for it is obvious that no young woman allows herself to be abducted if she does not wish to be."

Cannot tell if sarcasm or not. Presumably not since ancient Greece and women.

I see THIS EXACT SAME ARGUMENT EVERY TIME when people comment on news about women being raped. Mankind is a failed project.
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« Reply #1115 on: April 15, 2013, 08:37:36 PM »
Yeah, that was exactly what crossed my mind. Twenty-five hundred years later and we've still got stuff like this coming out of first-world politicians.

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« Reply #1116 on: April 15, 2013, 09:15:07 PM »
If you didn't want them then you shouldn't vote for them.

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« Reply #1117 on: April 16, 2013, 11:41:54 PM »
Connie Willis's time travel books are so great. Make sure you read To Say Nothing Of The Dog too, LD. It is wonderful.

To Say Nothing Of The Dog is in the running for my all-time favorite book. All of Connie Willis's work is great, though, not just her time travel stuff.

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Mab and the other faerie monarchs were originally human?
The Outsiders aren't a grab bag of weirder-than-weird Mythos creatures from infinite realities, but a monolithic worse-than-demons demon army?
The Winter Court has a cosmological purpose to defend the mortal world from the Outsiders and the Summer Court from Winter, even though previously Summer got a nice dose of both Good Is Not Nice and Nice Is Not Good?
The various minor villains Harry tangled with, and even the Black Council, are just Outsider mind puppets?

All of the above makes the setting less interesting to me than it was before. The actual story itself was the usual Dresden Files stuff, though, and a lot of fun. Same with the character interplay.
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« Reply #1118 on: April 17, 2013, 03:52:59 AM »
I liked the revelations about Faerie in Cold Days, but I'm completely with you on the Outsiders. The villains didn't need another level of  villainy. Ah well, next book features the Nickelheads, that should be good clean fun.

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« Reply #1119 on: April 17, 2013, 01:57:11 PM »
The Door Into Summer: "Man, this is surprisingly good for Heinlein. The world building is interesting in a Fallout 'this is what the future looked like from the 60s'  sort of way, and he even predicts the Roomba!"
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« Reply #1120 on: April 20, 2013, 01:36:43 PM »
Wayback machine:  started Snow Crash per the request of a colleague. Love the use of language, although some is a bit too dada since they make no sense in sentences or by definitions.

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« Reply #1121 on: April 21, 2013, 12:12:33 AM »
I kinda like Snow Crash, which was surprising to me because I really did NOT like Anathem (which I read first) despite really wanting to.  There are elements of Anathem in Snow Crash, but I felt like those elements did a lot better in a cyberpunk/tech-fantasy than in a treatise on language and sociology.

YMMV.

So. Human Division.

I like Scalzi, generally speaking. I follow his blog. I generally agree with his view points, though I definitely think he is a grade A asshole. He's just relatively pleasant about being so outspoken. It makes it harder to hate him for being who he is. His voice is very distinct, and it can be summarized as "quips and sarcasm." If you do not enjoy banter, if you can't stand sarcasm, and you hate witty retorts, I strongly suggest you skip anything of Scalzi's other than Old Man's War/Ghost Brigade/Last Colony/Zoe's Tale. Those have the pseudo-substance to space out the banter. All his other stuff definitely does not.

Caveat aside, I have read his other stuff. He likes humor in sci-fi, and that's what he writes -- well, with the exception of the novella The God Engines, which was his experiment with dark fantasy. (You can probably read that one safely, though it's a strangely unsatisfying book.)

I've mentioned before that Human Division was a "novel" experimentally released as a series of $0.99 eBook singles leading up to its print release. The cost of the ebook singles roughly equals the cost of buying the ebook release, but the final release includes some exclusive content that he has said he will likely release for free/in some other manner separately once the initial sales window for the whole collection has passed. Why am I telling you about the sales pattern? Because another thing Scalzi has said -- and has definitely lived by -- is that he writes for his job and he is unabashedly aware that he needs to make money to make this work. He does things for commercial reasons, sometimes, and this would be one of those times.

Clearly this experiment was successful enough that it warranted a "season 2," so there we go.

But how did it work? Well... I'm not too sure about that. Scalzi definitely knows what it means to write a short story, and he knows how to write a novel. Writing short stories that combine into a novel is not too different from his somewhat experimental arrangement in Redshirts (where he had a short novel with three short-story "epilogues" for a coda).  It felt a little off, to be honest. The individual stories were mostly stand alone. You didn't really need to have read any of the others to have gotten much out of the one you were reading. It helped, of course; as much as it would help to have read the whole Old Man's War series to get the context. But I feel like it balanced a little too heavily toward the stand-alone short stories side, versus the novel side. I may have to see how it goes if I try to read them all back-to-back, as I would have for a novel. There was undeniably an underlying story thread that passed through all the shorts, and the final short was the climax & conclusion of the whole thing -- but it still felt a little too disconnected.

It's probably just that there were so many characters. Three or four mains, I think, but a slew of fairly important secondaries as well. It's a lot to keep track of, especially week over week. It meant that each of the shorts was focused on one or two of the mains and their associated secondaries, which meant it was kind of hard to come back a week later to read about yet another main and their secondaries, and reconcile everything that was happening and how everyone felt about it with the rest of the story so far.

I dunno.

It was enjoyable enough, and I'm glad to have participated in the experiment. Not so sure I would do it again, for all that I'm sure he learned quite a bit about what he should/shouldn't be doing based on the feedback of everyone else who participated. That may only go for Scalzi, though. If this turns into a trend in the industry, I'll participate -- because I love SF/F and its community, and I love to push the envelope on genre most especially when it involves advances in dealing with shifts in technology, which is oh so fitting -- but I'm not convinced that this is the way we should be moving forward.
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Re: Books
« Reply #1122 on: May 01, 2013, 03:38:37 AM »
Doomsday Book:  Didn't click with me.  Nothing wrong with the writing; I just never felt interested in it.  May have been the setting.  I found the future segments with the Pandemic particularly boring.  Also ends damned abruptly.  I'd like a teensy bit of wrap-up at the end.

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Re: Books
« Reply #1123 on: May 01, 2013, 05:20:44 AM »
I've read some books but don't feel like yabbering about them here so instead I will comment on other people's reading habits.

Grefter: You should pick up the Magic The Gardening Mirrodin book some time.  "Literary war crime" is the only way to describe it.  (I sat back and read the first 5 chapters in a bookstore once on a lark.  It is Bad.  Bad, bad bad.  And read a longer, rantier review from someone who suffered through the whole book.  You can too, here: http://web.archive.org/web/20031213111512/misetings.com/article/779 )

Elf: Yeah, Goblet of Fire, for all that it's usually considered one of the 3 best books in the series by everyone, has an unusually nonsensical villain plot.  It's even worse than what you mentioned.  Yeah, WTF Dumbledore, even if "Moody" was a true master spy, there's too many things that can go wrong over a long period of time, someone should have noticed.  But fine, Dumbledore & co. eat a nasty competence penalty.  Even worse is that the whole get-Harry in the Triwizard Cup and rig it so he wins deal is just so that Harry can touch a Portkey at the end.  Okay, if you want to do an assassination right, +1 to using a Portkey + mob of Death Eaters, Hogwarts is a bad place to off troublesome students for a number of reasons.  But Harry trusts you!  Why the hell can't you call him into your office in week 1 and say "Here touch this?"  Actually this seems a pretty dang deadly trick even against adults who know how to Dissapparate, hand them a Portkey to the middle of a volcano or something.  The answer, of course, is that Harry needs to spend a year getting educated before the final showdown, which needs to happen with the Triwizard Cup, but meh.  Rowling needed to make up some bullshit restrictions on Portkeys such that this was the only sensible way to do it.

El Cid: Hey, I read Mieville's "The Scar."  Pretty amusing.  (Also amusing in that I read it shortly before playing BlazBlue: Calamity Trigger and a certain other game that'd be spoiled which explores some vaguely similar ideas.)

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Re: Books
« Reply #1124 on: May 01, 2013, 08:47:06 PM »
Hey, feel free to spoil me. It's been a while and I don't immediately see what the parallel might be with BlazBlue.