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Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« on: January 01, 2014, 04:51:58 AM »
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2014, 06:36:44 PM »
Since I couldn't find you in chat, Jim, a couple of legal questions related to abortion clinic buffer zone stuff going on in the Supreme Court:

At what distance can protesters even be on private property? I guess I don't understand the concept of being able to harass people in at a private business and how that is legal in any way. Secondly, what behavior would constitute suing for harassment as opposed to protesting? Watching videos of people outside of abortion clinics makes me think that some of their behavior is surely illegal.

Not really interested in debating about abortion, I am just not sure I understand the necessity of an abortion clinic buffer zone.
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2014, 06:10:30 AM »
Some of their behavior is definitely illegal, and the protesters have zero rights on private property.  Go on private property without permission (implied or explicit) and you're trespassing.  The property owners do not need a reason to get you out, and need not respect your desire to speak at all.  The sidewalk, however, is a public forum, and that's what we're concerned with.  Massachusetts' current buffer zone law replaced a more nuanced law that allowed protesters closer specifically because protesters kept doing illegal things.  Massachusetts' law is in place specifically because this is a venue where allowing protected speech to be close creates a unique security concern, seeing as how abortion protesters keep breaking the law, threatening and assaulting patients and staff.  This isn't theoretical, of course; before the law was in place all those things happened with great regularity.  Anyway, nothing stops police from arresting lawbreakers, but the point of the buffer zone is to remove the high probability that the crime will be committed.

My thoughts on this are that this law is clearly legal even though it engages in what in any other circumstance would be unconstitutional viewpoint-based discrimination.  I see this as no different than any other police action taken to keep protesters from physically molesting the target of their protest.  It's a public safety measure based not on approval or disapproval of a specific viewpoint - which would be unconstitutional in the extreme - but based on the professional judgment of law enforcement and legislators that this type of activity at this present time attracts violent protests that the government has the right - and many would say the responsibility - to prevent.

So the question as I see it is, is this law somehow different from parade security because the law is ostensibly permanent?  Does the permanence of the law create a constitutional violation even though the same behavior from police - creating a buffer zone - in response to a specific threat at a specific time would be fine?  Or is it not problematic that the law is "permanent" because whenever a court decides it is no longer necessary it will be voided as unconstitutional?
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2014, 02:54:58 AM »
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/education/oklahoma-teacher-need-reaches-crisis-point/article_5dddfa51-1e26-598c-b489-5d3884cd354b.html

This has been a pretty consistent problem in my state. Pretty much everyone in teaching knows that if you're a good teacher, just go to Texas/Kansas/Colorado.

"This is a reflection of a toxic political climate where education is considered a liability, not an investment, by many of our policy makers," Snow said. "This is a self-imposed crisis due to a lack of leadership that should concern us all."
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2014, 06:31:44 PM »
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/01/23/huckabee-dems-think-women-cant-control-their-libido/

Gee golly, without good ol' Mike Huckabee to tell me about the Democrats' belief that I can't control my libido, I'd just be lost. Women vote dispropotionaly Democrat because they can't see that sweet Mike is fighting a war FOR us. Better tighten your chastity belt, ladiez.
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2014, 02:00:22 AM »
Generally that sort of thing is offensive to women, I imagine. "You don't need those pills, and if you do you are a slut!" is the logical corollary to what he said. It is kind of amazing considering how very many women have used/still used birth control.

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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2014, 07:09:13 AM »
Not to mention framing contraception - and insurance coverage thereof - as an issue with which only women should be concerned.  Takes two to tango, after all, and to the best of my knowledge there aren't any generally available, effective, non-permanent means of birth control which men can use.  Yet, anyway.
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2014, 05:44:40 PM »
Jenna about fell over laughing when I showed her Huckabee's comments there. The first thing she responded with was "Is he not aware that so many women take birth control just to regulate their cycles? Which is a very real and very major health benefit?"
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2014, 01:40:40 AM »
Not to mention framing contraception - and insurance coverage thereof - as an issue with which only women should be concerned.  Takes two to tango, after all, and to the best of my knowledge there aren't any generally available, effective, non-permanent means of birth control which men can use.  Yet, anyway.

Not medical ones, anyway. And to be fair people like Huckabee tend to oppose distribution of condoms too, for similar(ly stupid) reasons.
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2014, 08:08:41 AM »
I'm not noticing that he said anything of substance. All he did was set up a straw-man -- the Dems said this vile thing (which they didn't, as far as I know!), we're really on your side!

Never mind the fact that the Republicans are "fighting a war for women." Oh, yes. That makes me feel so much more empowered, thank you.

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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2014, 03:46:05 PM »
Well they have to fight it for you, women aren't allowed to fill combat roles.
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2014, 03:10:35 PM »
She got transferred to a female only jail.  I have no idea if Canada typically jails people who return to the country after they overstay/violate a visa, the article doesn't talk about it. I assume you're more objecting to the treatment of edison/the policy of putting pre op prisoners in the male population?

She was going to end up in protective custody regardless as a high profile prisoner. Putting her in Max is more than a little eye raising though, let alone the gender issues there.
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2014, 06:44:12 AM »
Mostly the complete disorganization and "we have no idea what to do in this situation."  Usually security people receive training for how to be sensitive of various minorities.  (Stuff like "don't ask the muslim man to remove his turban").

Although, where the situation ended up is a bit ridiculous too (maximum security solitary is a bit crazy for someone who overstayed a visitor's visa).

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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2014, 07:04:31 AM »
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400035

So...Russia is invading the Ukraine?

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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2014, 02:38:24 PM »
Basically, yes. Crimea (the peninsula near the Russia/Ukraine border that the Russians have invaded) is strategically valuable because so much of Russia's natural gas exports go through it to get to the west, and after rebels overthrew the country's Russia-backed president/dictator last week, Putin apparently decided that the risk of the new government aligning itself with the EU was too great. Militarily there is fuck-all anybody can do about this because (a) the Ukrainian government has been in power for all of a week and doesn't have nearly the legitimacy/unity to go toe-to-toe with Russia; (b) the Crimean population has enough Russians in it to mean the invasion isn't entirely unpopular, which opens a whole other can of worms including the possibility of civil war; and (c) it's motherfucking Russia, they're huge, nuclear and noticeably crazy, nobody wants to actually go to war with them.

The best weapon the EU (and Obama) has against this is the threat of medium-term economic sanctions; Russia depends on those natural-gas exports for a lot of its economy now. And with the fracking boom in full swing, the US could pick up some of the slack caused by cutting them out of the market. We'll see how it plays out.
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2014, 06:56:15 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/03/05/alabama-abortion-bills/6073883/

"The other bill, sponsored by GOP Rep. Kurt Wallace of Maplesville, Ala., would have the same 48-hour waiting period requirement but also would require that a woman seeking abortion because of a defect that would cause death shortly after birth be counseled on hospice options for the baby if the mother were to carried the fetus to term."

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?? Pre-natal hospice counselling and 48 hour waiting period for non-viable fetuses? Fuck ya'll and the horse you rode on.
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2014, 06:53:10 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/high-court-voids-overall-contribution-limits-141339263--finance.html

Just gonna put this here.

On the one hand, it's just the overall maximum, not the maximum per candidate, but these things move along with baby steps. But it's not like people weren't finding ways around this anyway. Still. Run>fuck.dat

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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2014, 07:58:22 PM »
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2014, 04:30:24 AM »
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/exclusive-obama-defends-taliban-swap-says-hed-do-it-again-n124736

The article isn't really important as much as a placeholder, as it's related. So what do you all think about Obama deciding to do a prisoner swap with the Taliban? It's definitely a marked shift in US policy, if nothing else.
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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2014, 04:34:07 PM »
To me this is not a big deal.  Should have been done with less fanfare, but it was the right decision.  I don't believe this will give added incentive to groups hostile to the US to try and kidnap soldiers, because that incentive has always been there.  That they haven't been able to do so is a result of the tactics of the US' mideast war and occupation.

Regarding whether this is a change in policy...well that really depends whether you think of the Taliban as a terrorist organization or run-of-the-mill enemy combatants.  Well, we started the war in Afghanistan to oust them from their legitimate (as far as these things go) hold on Afghani government.  We did that in retaliation for them backing honest-to-god terrorists.  To me that puts them in essentially the same category as the Iranian government.  I think this exchange, then, has to be considered more like a run-of-the-mill swap of prisoners of war (which the US has done in the past) than like negotiating a hostage from a terrorist group.

Regarding Congress' role in the matter, and the fact that the executive branch seems to have violated US law by failing to give them their 30-day notice...well, Congress has a point there.  To me, this is exactly the kind of thing Congress should threaten impeachment over.  Impeachment is Congress' most important tool against executive overreach.  I hope there aren't any members of Congress who are stupid enough to think following through with a threat of impeachment is a remotely good idea, but it doesn't bother me a bit that there have been threats.
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2014, 10:59:11 PM »
Here's something that's not getting much press yet: the federal budget is probably fucked again. Democrats pulled two appropriations bills (i.e. the ones that actually say to the executive, "you get $1 billion for this program, $200 million for that one, etc.") because they don't have the votes to stop Republicans from attaching whatever amendments they want. Yes, there's technically a Democratic majority, but you may have heard of this election thing coming up in a few months, and enough of the red-state incumbents are so scared of getting railroaded out if they look like they care about the environment or income gaps or any of that other communist stuff that they'll vote with the GOP to kill things like the new greenhouse gas rules.

So what that means is that we're likely to get another budget standoff that gets resolved either with a "continuing resolution" where they extend this year's budget for another few months, or a shutdown. Joy.
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2014, 04:20:02 PM »
Surprised there's no discussion on this yet:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/30/politics/scotus-obamacare-analysis/

Supreme court ruled on the Hobby Lobby thing (where certain companies objected to having birth control pills in their healthcare plan).  Sided with the companies.

So...a few notes.

1. Women get perscribed to take birth control pills for various non-contraceptive reasons.  For instance, if you have an irregular period, you might be advised to take pills for a few months to help it normalize.

2. My favourite response to this was "welcome to America, where corporations are people and women are not."

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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2014, 08:57:03 PM »
I've been trying not to think about it. Expect SCOTUS to side with big business in all circumstances, but good lord.
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Re: Politics '14: Oh crap, it's an (mid term) election year!
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2014, 05:47:50 AM »
I have a lot to say about it, and I'll say it when I can get it all down on paper without swearing and punching things.
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