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« Reply #1200 on: March 10, 2014, 07:44:56 PM »
That does make sense; my main gripe is that one of the big strengths of Way of Kings was its worldbuilding, and Words doesn't expand on that much - it takes place directly after WoK, in the same city (well, camp), with the same main cast. The only big addition to the setting is that we finally get to see how the parshmen work, so I wish he'd spent more time fleshing them out (especially since it's still another side of Dalinar's story, unlike say Lift, who would be an out-of-nowhere addition to the main narrative).
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« Reply #1201 on: March 10, 2014, 07:45:37 PM »
Not quite done Words of Radiance yet, but I'm far enough along to be pretty certain that if you didn't like the first book much, there's no need to check out the second. It's a lot of moving pieces around in preparation for the Epic Fantasy Stuff that Way of Kings promised, and development of characters you've already met, but there's not much new. The most interesting addition to the world is the chapters told from a Parshendi viewpoint, and those are only in the interludes for some reason.

Well, I was more wondering if I should buy the book in hardback or not. I like the first book well enough, but not enough to buy a similar sequel in the clunky ass form I don't like. :p

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« Reply #1202 on: March 10, 2014, 08:02:11 PM »
There is! You don't spend as much time in his head, but every viewpoint character that isn't Dalinar (or an Interlude person) has him as a major supporting player. You can definitely see what LD was talking about with him being the glue that holds the cast together.
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« Reply #1203 on: March 11, 2014, 05:38:48 AM »
Started a bilingual book club a few months ago to get myself reading more and for language practice, so I've been reading some stuff not my usual bag.

Watership Down: This book is good. I was not expecting much since it's ostensibly a children's book about rabbits, but there is a lot of great character work, and a lot of parallels drawn between this band of rabbits and a lot of greek mythology. I enjoyed the El-alrairah mythology sections a lot more than I suspected. I really appreciated how the book made these rabbits... well, sentient, but still with a rabbit-like intelligence (re: they dum), instead of the kind of talking animals you tend to get in Disney films. On top of that, these dipshit rabbits have a pretty rich mythology with them at the center of the universe, drawing a parallel between them and humanity's place in the universe. Thoroughly an enjoyable read.

That said, it is misogynist as hell. Only one female character who makes any decisions to speak of, and the Bechdel test spontaneously combusted as it got close to the novel. Interestingly, according to the book on rabbit behaviour that Adams used as a basis for how the rabbits acted, indicated that when rabbits leave to make a new warren (re: the entire plot of the first half of the book), it is usually dissatisfied female rabbits who leave to start the new home, not males, and the author just kinda went “Well whatever I'm going to have male rabbits do that instead.”  Great. Still, my only real complaint with the book.


1Q84: Have been reading this on and off for the past year or so. Not finished, keep getting distracted (CIIIIIIV), but in the last third of the book he introduces a whole new PoV, and I only have a couple pages left but I have no idea how he will resolve all the lingering plot threads in such a small space. From what I hear from people who have finished the book, I should not expect much in that regard.

I enjoy Murakami quite a bit, but after reading more than one of his books it's pretty clear he is pretty formulaic. Fish out of water dude does something extraordinary, his destiny gets entangled with another point of view character's, weird shit happens. That said, I enjoyed the amount of work put into developing Aomame's and Kengo's relationship, despite the fact that neither of them come face to face until the very end of the novel (well OK there's a bunch of weird Murakami shit that happens but that barely counts). I'm less in love with Murakami than I was after, say, Kafka on the Shore (my first foray into his work), but he's still enjoyable.

Slaughterhouse 5: Re-read this for the book club. I wonder how much of my affection for this book stems from nostalgia, but whatever I still think it's good. Blah blah blah Vonnegut Vonnegut Vonnegut read it.

Three Cups of Tea: Not gonna lie, I only drafted up this post so I could complain about organize my thoughts on this book. It is this month's book club discussion book, and Jesus H. Tittyfucking Christ is it tedious. For those of you who haven't heard of the book, it is billed as a book about a man who started building schools in poor Muslim villages in Pakistan in the mid-nineties. And it delivers on that, kind of. This is where the good points are, for sure. The parts that go into detail about the villages' customs and way of life, and the multiparagraph interludes about the history of the region are pretty enjoyable.

That's about all I have good to say about the novel, though. The bad... it is just so disgustingly self serving. It is a memoir co-written by the man himself, Greg Mortenson, and some reporter who probably did most of the writing. When I refer to the author, I'll refer to the reporter, but Mortenson I'll call out by name.  The parts about Mortenson's family are just so gross, heaping praise upon praise onto his parents, painting them out to be Christlike saints, and there is frequent boasting about Mortenson's skill with languages, his personality, and, best of all, his humility. He has flaws, sure, but they're stupid things like always being late.

On top of that, the tone, pacing, and... subject matter of the book is borderline schitzophrenic, and I'm pretty sure this stems from many cynical decisions made by the author. First off, it is a young adult book. With that in mind, what interests me about the book (the history and culture of these regions in Pakistan) for better or worse won't actually interest the average 15 year old being made to read this for English class.

That I can accept. However, the way in which the author tries to reach the kids is just terrible. There is a lot of over dramatization of certain events, and a lot of focus and false tension given to things that doesn't work on anyone who is thinking even a little bit about the book at all. For instance, the first two chapters of the book are about him almost dying while climbing a mountain in Pakistan, which... just falls flat, because of course he lives (even if it wasn't nonfiction it's the first two chapters of the novel, come on), and it has nothing to do with the rest of the story from then on. Several chapters later, he getting kidnapped by the early actors in the Taliban in the region bordering Pakistan and Afghanistan, and while it was interesting to read about on its own, a lot of melodrama surrounded the narration. “Will he die? Will he ever get out alive? Will he ever see his wife and child again?” OF COURSE HE FUCKING WILL, HE CO-WROTE THE GODDAMN BOOK.  The book tries to make it out to be some serial adventure novella but it just doesn't work because fucking logic. I can't find any reason for this nonsense except that it is supposed to be there to draw the interest of the teenage boys in the audience. But it comes off as exceptionally dumb, and there's more than a hint of the author talking down to his audience.

Similarly, there are many segments devoted to Mortenson's love life. In the first 8 chapters, while going back and forth from Pakistan 3 or 4 times, Mortenson starts dating this woman while in the US, gets dumped, acts melodramatic over it while back in Pakistan, and then is over it by the next time he returns to the US, and then we never see the woman again. A good 20 pages is probably devoted to this interlude, and it ends up never mattering! On top of it being trite, melodramatic and poorly written!

I spent too long wracking my brain on why they would include these bits. Is it there to contrast with when he meets his wife later on? Possibly, but honestly the book isn't well written enough for me to buy that forethought was given to that dynamic (besides, both women barely feature in as anything further than the object of Mortenson's affections). Is Mortenson just that much of a narcissist? Given the way the book talked about his family, that certainly plays a part into this. Then I realized, concurrently with the revelation of why so many sections of the book play up the dangerous situations he finds himself in, that it must be in there as a cynically thrown hook to engage the teenage girl part of the audience. And then I was disgusted, in part because of the cynicism that inevitably lies behind the decision, but also in part because it is shit like that that drove the book to the top of the NYT Best Sellers list.

Anyway, the book makes several decisions to alternately suck Mortenson's prostate and reach as wide an audience as possible that turn the memoir into a tonally, narratively, and organizationally chaotic mess. I frankly look forward to reading Three Cups of Deceit afterward, the book that was written in response to the fabrications and outright lies the book is apparently filled with. If you had any inclination of picking the book up before, do yourself a favor and go read a history book on Pakistan instead. It will be simultaneously more enjoyable and more rewarding.

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« Reply #1204 on: March 11, 2014, 06:43:34 AM »
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« Reply #1205 on: March 11, 2014, 08:40:32 AM »

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« Reply #1206 on: March 11, 2014, 09:26:09 AM »
Good.  A bitter tea is the best tea.  Smokey, black, strong like your heart/penis should be.
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« Reply #1207 on: March 11, 2014, 05:14:39 PM »
Bitter tea means you overbrewed it.  Not that a Marmite-eater would know the difference.
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« Reply #1208 on: March 12, 2014, 04:42:04 AM »
Finished Words of Radiance! I may do a longer writeup/review later, but for now I'll just note that the technical term for Szeth's last scene would be OH SHIT, SON.
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« Reply #1209 on: March 26, 2014, 06:01:29 AM »
The Hunger Games & Catching Fire - Got badgered into reading the first book, was hooked. Second book was good as well. The author definitely has some skill in ending chapters in a way that compels you to keep reading. I definitely enjoyed the books way more than my snobbery feels like I should be allowed to. There's plenty of things I can point to that are wrong with the books, like President Snow's literally smelling of blood on his breath and only just figuratively eating babies, or Katniss being a very frustrating point of view character a lot of the time, but for the most part they hit enough right that I give them a pass.

Mockingjay - This on the other hand gets more wrong than it gets right, and unfortunately by the time you realize that you may as well just finish the book. Way too much melodrama, the scale of the novel becomes far too large for the fast pacing, and the ending is horribly unsatisfying. It's almost enough to make me not recommend Catching Fire, because that book ends on such a bad cliffhanger that you basically need to slog through Mockingjay afterwards. Still, it had me coming back chapter after chapter, which is more than I can say for a lot of other series that I've given up on in the middle of (oh hi there Ring of Time or Wheel of Clocks or whatever).

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« Reply #1210 on: March 30, 2014, 12:20:03 AM »
Dreamwalker- CS Friedman's latest. It's definitely a YA book, both in content and length. It's much darker than the usual YA book but not a patch on the magister series in that regard. Still, the world bulding's very awesome (I am a sucker for mirror multiplied/mirror world setups) and Jessie is quite fun as a MC. Definitely more of a book to get in softcover or from the library, the length doesn't justify the cost.

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« Reply #1211 on: April 12, 2014, 09:46:32 AM »
The Hunger Games- Sopko totally nailed this one; it reads like a story meant to become a movie.

having looked at some spoilers for the other books, what I really noticed during the book was the emphasis on how horrifically fucked up all the characters are by things.  I'll want to read those and see if the tone carries through, but I'm getting the sense that the series is basically about PTSD, and the rest is just to sell the movie as it were.
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« Reply #1212 on: April 14, 2014, 11:48:46 PM »
Words of Radiance:  Most enjoyable.

"Honor is dead.  But I'll see what I can do."  Bad ass.  Sanderson continues to write books that are designed to be action movies, and I am perfectly okay with this.

Prediction for the third book:  The Cremlings are somehow related to the Odium.  Just because Sanderson mentions them every five minutes.

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« Reply #1213 on: April 15, 2014, 12:51:19 AM »
Catching Fire: main motif?  Bed-wettingly horrible nightmares every night.  Yup.
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« Reply #1214 on: April 21, 2014, 07:59:34 PM »
Mockingjay- Note for those building apocalypse shelters: copies of Machiavelli's The Prince are vital.  Thank you.
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« Reply #1215 on: May 28, 2014, 04:40:13 AM »
Skin game: Done.  Fun caper book, I like it more than 13 and 14. Spoilers in text.

There are several major twists in the book, a lot of which have been building since Winter Night.

1. Mab and Marcone's payback on Nicodemus. Nicodemus pissed on Mab's accords and kidnapped Marcone, so you knew he was going to be in a world of shit whenever he appeared in the books again.
2. Lashiel coming back and the birth of the parasite. The parasite ended up not being Lash, but rather her spiritual daughter with Harry.
3. Harry finally facing Maggie and to a lesser extent Michael.
4. Harry and Murphy finally commit to a relationship. Murphy had been a clubbed used by baddies since like the start, and even Lara commented in book 9 that he should've long since slept with her.
5.  The birth of another Knight of the Cross.
6. In general, this was a book with nothing but returning faces. There were only two new characters, both of whom had twist identies. I really liked the used of Anna Valmont here.



This is the first book where I called almost every single major plot twist. The only reason I got the one with Grey is that Butcher outright said a Naagloshii would be in the book in an interview. That was brilliantly done otherwise, it's hinted at heavily but it doesn't click considering what a negative impression the first one made in Turn Coat.

This book was mostly about addressing lingering plot threads and issues caused by the fallout of changes.  It ignored the Outsider/BC stuff, which was for the better. Thomas also doesn't appear in the book, which doesn't bother me too much. He had a major role in the last, and Michael got some camera time. I love that Harry both finally *talks* to Michael and we get a throwback to Grave Peril with Michael (briefly) back in the saddle. In general this book has a ton of fun scenes. It ranks up there with Dead Beat for me in terms of enjoyment.


Best scenes: These are not in order. I'm picking five that really jump out at me.

1. Harry's conversation with Hades. This is where you really get clued in to the extent to which Nicodemus is completely and utterly fucked.
2. Dierdre's conversation with Harry about relationships.
3. Grey's final scene. Excellent surprise twist, best in the book for that.
4.  The rebirth of a Paladin. it makes you realize just how powerful Michael was. Even Grey was more than a little scared of him.
5. Both of Harry's conversations with Michael are tied here. The first for the good character work (Poor Molly), the last for Michael making a point Harry keeps missing- Mab is going to do something very bad when she figures out that he isn't ever going to bend to the winter mantle.


Big, big unresolved issues going into the next book:

1. The wizards in general. The appearence of a random warlock in this book is a pointed reminder that the WC hasn't been a serious player in the novels since 11. They've kind of faded in importance as other threats emerge, but still.

2. Molly. Hi, ticking time bomb. Michael may well punch out Harry for that one, and with good reason.

3. Marcone. This is going to come to a head sooner rather than later, and this book pushed the issue pretty hard.


Issues with the book:


1. Expostion by god characters. Soppy noted this in an IM and I've got to agree with it. Butcher has really relied on this since powerful characters really started appearing in the books. He pretty much admits that he started the book with the concept of Bob and worked from there. He has an overarching plot and characters, but he doesn't really care so much about how he gets there, more about the big/cool scenes. It's a very different apparoach than the one Robert Jordan used.

2. The winter mantle. This ties into some of my issues with the first point, but Harry being able to more or less function without the winter mantle after Cold Days/etc made the point of him being a cripple without it is pretty inconsistent. I know Harry did a bunch of DBZ style training between books but whoof.

wtf:

1. Waldo Butters, Batman Jedi Knight of the Cross. Jesus fucking christ.


Other random bits I liked: The character work with Jordan and explaining the other Squires. Nice touch and fits in with Michael's explaination of redemption.
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« Reply #1216 on: May 28, 2014, 04:48:23 AM »
Done? Jesus, it only hit my doorstop this morning at 9am.
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« Reply #1217 on: May 28, 2014, 05:14:46 AM »
It's a tad shorter than Ghost Story and Cold Days. Still good though. Mostly in agreement with Super but certain aspects of it left a bad taste in my mouth.

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« Reply #1218 on: May 28, 2014, 01:42:52 PM »
I'm a fast reader and downed the book in one sitting. Dresden file books are pretty light reads to start with, and this one was more compelling than most.
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« Reply #1219 on: May 28, 2014, 04:12:22 PM »
Oh shit I forgot it was coming out. It's like a surprise Christmas!
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« Reply #1220 on: May 28, 2014, 05:59:18 PM »
Oh. Slight spoiler, but the next book apparently is about the White Council.  That is past due.
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« Reply #1221 on: June 01, 2014, 11:40:07 PM »
Finished Skin Game on Friday. It was definitely a Dresden Files book! Good ride like they always are, but I feel like this one was a step backward for Butcher. I'm of two minds about that: it may be that the previous book was more serious than he wanted it to be and so he returned to the "true feeling" of a Dresden Files book. It may be that he just missed what he was aiming for.

Don't get me wrong, there were some strong character development moments. They were just fewer in number. This whole book felt like it suffered from trilogy book 2 syndrome (which is ridiculous given how far into the series this is): it was taking threads from the previous story and setting up for the next without really finding its own ground.

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« Reply #1222 on: June 02, 2014, 02:38:36 AM »
Given how focused the previous couple works have been for developing the metaplot of the Outsiders, I would say of course taking the focus off that for once is going to be jarring. Going back to sort-of normal for the series even moreso since the last books also were a lot about what's changed since Harry died/came back. The pattern for the series has always sort of been musical chairs of the subplots, so the Denarians had to come up again sooner or later.

I would agree with Super though that it's a lot more predictable this time around, which I think may account for what you're feeling more than anything, Ash. I wouldn't say there were less character developing moments (if so, it was definitely quality over quantity in this one), but we're usually kept on our toes with everything else, so seeing something a little more conventional is a little offputting.

I'm more disappointed about the seeming backslide of Laschiel. I get it that what was inside Harry's head was just an image of her and not really her, but apparently she gets all the memories Harry had with Lash but was not affected Lash's change of heart at all? Seems one-sided and/or forced to include her participation. Not handled very well to spoil that just to seemingly get rid of her forever (again). Was expecting Lash to be the Parasite, but Harry going all Zeus -> Athena was hilarious and very fitting given the Greek theme.

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« Reply #1223 on: June 02, 2014, 04:33:08 PM »
Skin Game was about wrapping up several long term arcs (Lash, Murphy, the sword of faith). I think the next book will feel the same way. It's going to finally address the WC and some of the bad apples there, along with Molly 's relationship with her parents.  After that there is Mirror Mirror (harry goes to an alternate universe) and threeish more before the big finale. At this point, the series needs to be closing story arcs and finishing characters rather than opening new ones. Dresden still has to fully deal with the White Court (I fully expect Thomas to end up in power) which eats up another book.

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« Reply #1224 on: June 14, 2014, 12:28:14 AM »
I should probably note that since the last time I posted I read the rest of the Magister series (was pretty good, could be even better if some things in the setting/magic system were further explored, would love to read more in this world), and Erikson's Gardens of the Moon (imperial PoV stuff was very solid with a caveat or two, thief guild PoVs bored me to tears). Never bothered posting.

Words of Radiance - It was good! Better than the first overall, which owes almost entirely to Kaladin being better, I think. Not only does he actually grapple with some more interesting moral decisions than the simple ones he faced as a bridgeman in the previous book, but he's around far more interesting characters - that is, the other major characters. I came out of the book still failing to give a damn about any of his men except Moash, but eh whatever. Shallan and Dalinar stuff remains excellent, Shallan kinda steals the show this time in particular.

I'm a bit less fond of the last ~150 pages compared to the rest which is hardly unusual from Sanderson and hey it's not like the book jumps off a cliff or anything (hi Warbreaker) so I'm not going to complain too much. Still it's distinctly not a problem the first book suffered from so that's a step down. Not a step down: never having to go 150+ pages without seeing Dalinar or Shallan.

This month's instance of ripping off super... favourite characters:
1. Shallan. Obvious pick really. I really enjoyed her backstory interludes and she has her hand in several interesting plotlines this time around: learning to exhibit self-confidence, infiltrating the Ghostbloods, infiltrating the nobility. Her magic powers are simple but cool.
2. Dalinar. Still pretty much the Ned Stark of the series (thank goodness he's not dead yet! I was definitely worried), the veteran perspective in these novels is a welcome one.
3. Kaladin. As mentioned, interacting with other characters I like is a big boon to him. I liked his plotline with the Elhokar assassins although I felt Sanderson was a bit too unambiguous with what he thought the moral was. I also liked that he seemed more able to make mistakes this time.
4. Jasnah. Too awesome to live. ooorrrr not! I kept expecting her to come back at any time for a while and had finally moved past the denial stage by the end of the book. Haha. Anyway Jasnah steals scenes like nobody's business while she's around, same as in the first book. We also get to see a darker side of her, as an assassin's patron. Bit of a contrast with some other characters...
5. Mm. Tempted to go with Eshonai, because the Parshendi viewpoint is something I had been long awaiting and provides some important fleshing out for the world. Could also go for Adolin, who gets some pretty good stuff but I just don't find him too compelling. Yet. I kinda wonder if he's being set up as a villain, since there's no sign he's a Radiant and his final action in the book is... questionable. At the very least he's being set up as an interesting foil to Kaladin.

Scenes:

1. Shallan strangles her father. We knew the horrible story had to come to some sort of head like this, but watching her make the rational choice to murder him, choking off his life as she sings him a lullabye, is kinda haunting.
2. The "duel" against the four shardbearers. Not so much for the action, which I am always rather "whatever" too, but because the book had me wanting to scream "THIS ISN'T FAIR FUCK YOU SADEAS YOU CHEATING CHEATING BASTARD". Just a strong sequence emotionally, from the moment the shit hits the fan to the moment Kaladin ruins things by challenging Amaram.
3. The sequence in the chasms with Kaladin and Shallan. Not only are the two the Sandersonist when they get together and snark at each other, but there was some good action and character work here too. Plus finally a chasmfiend gets to inspire the terror they were always supposed to.
4. At the Ghostblood hideout. High tension here as Shallan deftly plays her lying game to try to learn more about Jasnah's murderers.
5. Dalinar dresses down Kaladin after (2) above. As someone who finds Kaladin occasionally frustrating, this scene is somewhat cathartic. I also like seeing Dalinar play his father figure role well, and he definitely does it with Kaladin here, saying what needs to be said while still offering a helping hand.


None of the above scenes are from the interludes, but I will close by mentioning I liked them more in this book than the past. Part of that is that Parshendi screentime was badly needed, part of that is that several (Lift's, for instance) where snappily written and engaging even if they were about minor characters. There are still a few which just feel woefully unconnected and things I won't appreciate for several more books, but that's fine.

Also, the reveal at the end that Lopen is a Radiant? Couldn't have chosen a duller character.

Erwin Schrödinger will kill you like a cat in a box.
Maybe.