Suicide Squad Mafia, Game Over: Number the Dead

[Ranmilia]

Votecount:  Holy tuna someone voted

Carthrat (3): Bardiche, Anonymous, Laggy

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Carthrat]

DHE comes to this conclusion after no doubt paying close attention and watching me slam bardiche all game, right up into LYLO, and encouraging him to actually make up his own damn mind rather than rely on other people, whilst Laggy still continues on about some connection that isn't even there.

Oh wait ninja lol there we go.

[Carthrat]

I also take offense. Scum didn't need to play ridiculously well this game to win. *Every single day* was overshadowed by lunatic play except for LYLO, where I freely admit now I would've lynched myself if I was someone else. But whatever.

Man, fuck my sig, I *am* bitter.

[Bardiche]

##UNVOTE: Carthrat

Yeah, screw it. Second thoughts forthcoming.

[Ranmilia]

Votecount:

Carthrat (1): Laggy, Bardiche, Anonymous

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Laggy]

....what.

Okay, either Bard's going to now move a lynchtrain on me or NEB. Or something, you know what, I don't even know anymore.

Vote's not changing barring massive massive convincing circumstances.

[Bardiche]

Now, there's something in my personality that makes me submit to pressure. I am aware of this. You may all now proceed with "oh man, Bardiche is such a lamer for stalling the game".

But you know? There's three people pushing for a Carthrat lynch.

DHE.
Laggy.
QR.

That leaves the following opinions out of view:

Corwin.
Shale.

Strago voiced... No opposition nor support for this lynch, but he's already pointed at DHE/QR as being potential scum.

See where I'm going here? My own, personal belief is that DHE and QR are pretty scummy and I am suspicious of them, gut jerking and everything. Now why the hell should I let myself get pressured into lynching Carthrat when I do not support this lynch? Fine, fine, we may lose because we end up lynching the wrong person.

But I don't want to feel bad for being pressured into voting and then losing. At least let me lose while voting on a target I sincere believe in.

QuietRain, Laggy, I don't care if you're going to be around for discussion afterwards or whatever. I want to make a lynch I support.


EDIT:
Has Carthrat's "ohnoez I'm bitter" influenced me a bit? I really hate the part where when you lynch someone they go all "._. oskrew". It makes me want to push the lynch through just to hush them up and get it over with because I don't know whether people are honestly annoyed or are making a lame attempt at emotional and psychological warfare to cause a "You lynch scum, but you don't feel any better" scenario. But right now, I want to hear Corwin, I want to hear Shale. I want to hear if Strago supports such a lynch.

[Laggy]

Oh my freaking god man, the posts before this state exactly where everyone stands.

Strago is out for NEB. Corwin is also out for NEB. Shale is on Rat's case. You don't believe me? I'll put up the exact posts, next post forthcoming. This drag drag drag discussion is infuriating me, I can understand YOU not being sure on a case but practically everyone else has laid out where they are and not seeing that smacks me of absurdity and glossing over posts.

[Carthrat]

Bardiche is my hero <3

Laggy, stop being so frigging thick. Your entire case on me is stupid and *you know it*, you're just using it as some kind of justification to end the game already. Don't you think it's not even slightly odd that nobody at all actually called me out on this day 3, especially when it's so perfect? No, people, including those who were all like 'don't wanna vote for Jo' pretty much let that slide in order to let the straight town mislynch through, enabling them to follow up with this bullshit lynch on me. Frankly, I wish I'd seen it earlier. Gonna go back and look at who's actually responsible for this, since I'm now sure this is what happened. >_<

<->

Bardiche, while I'm here, I'll admit my entire rant was because with those votes on me, I assumed the game was over and scumhammer was imminent. My urge to rant cannot be contained under those circumstances. I would pretty much never do that on any other day, but today is special.

[Laggy]

Shale: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=1398.msg25788#msg25788

He's just a hilarious national stereotype. Come on, a heavily-accented Australian supervillain named CAPTAIN BOOMERANG? I can't not love that.

Anyway. I haven't had a lot of time to reread yet, but looking at this logically, my top suspect is Carthrat. Not for textual-analysis reasons, mind, I've already said he checks out pretty well on those. But I've been wrong about that on everybody but Delta and OK, so I'm not trusting my powers of analysis very far. However, I have to look at him funny because the only objective evidence in this entire game points at him: there was no kill on the night he was roleblocked by a townie, and the only other kill-stopping power that's been claimed has not triggered. Hence, the options for Night 2 are: Andrew chose not to kill (unlikely, given how trigger-happy he seems to have been); Andrew and scum targeted the same person (possible, I guess?); Andrew was roleblocked and didn't say anything because it would have drawn attention to his vigness (possible); and the person who used a potential kill-stopping power did in fact stop the kill.

Corwin: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=1398.msg25674#msg25674

My suspects for now, at the start of the day? DHE, pretty much. He feels off with his defensiveness whenever I would ask him something, and the wait pre-hammer was just strange. I'll do it! I will! I really will! Just seemed weird.

http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=1398.msg25839#msg25839

Laggy: I found DHE suspicious even before, and as the rest of my suspects drop like flies he remains the scummiest-looking of all those who still live. The waiting on the hammer, making sure we know just how much he's with town and willing to do it but not just yet, the endless discussions of essentially metagaming issues which contribute to a sense of presence but not so much to viable content... even his attitude puts me off, laughable as it is to hear me say that. Incidentally, Meeple's analysis of the scum team does not play a particularly important role for me, here.

Strago: Read the last page or two, giant posts against NEB.

[Laggy]

Laggy, stop being so frigging thick. Your entire case on me is stupid and *you know it*, you're just using it as some kind of justification to end the game already. Don't you think it's not even slightly odd that nobody at all actually called me out on this day 3, especially when it's so perfect? No, people, including those who were all like 'don't wanna vote for Jo' pretty much let that slide in order to let the straight town mislynch through, enabling them to follow up with this bullshit lynch on me. Frankly, I wish I'd seen it earlier. Gonna go back and look at who's actually responsible for this, since I'm now sure this is what happened. >_<

Man, Rat, you can call it stupid as many times as you want, you're not really budging me on how I feel about it.

The fact that it was completely overlooked on Day 3 and "it's so perfect" probably has largely to do with the fact that everyone was dogpiling on Snow that day, yourself included. Hell, you even used the roleblock weirdness to twist it around and make Snow look scummy for -not dropping a case on you!-

[Bardiche]

Well, yes, we might as well all go angry and mad and infuriated at this game. I like trying to play in a way that does not unduly cause grievance to others, but I also don't want to have to cause grievance to myself by doing something I do not want to do.

Strago is out for NEB, so is Corwin. That's cool.

So what do they think of the Carthrat lynch?

----->

Rat, you'll have to forgive me for not being sure whether that's an attempt to gain my favor and avoid a lynch today if I happen to get convinced or what. >_>

[QuietRain]

Putting my money where my mouth is and crossing my fingers.  ##Vote Carth

[Laggy]

I hate speaking in place of people so I will not. I can't recall Strago voicing a stance on Rat offhand. However, I'm pretty sure Corwin's feelings on Rat can be summed up in this quote here:

The case on Rat? Well, I believe I was the first who mentioned the possibility of Rat being blocked from making the kill. But it really is the only thing (outside him thinking much like I do, which none of you care about) that I find truly suspicious of him in our current situation.

(Incidentally QR later fired off a note saying that Corwin did not in fact point the possibility out, but that's not directly relevant to his stance on Rat.)

Apologies for getting riled up there and just headdesking. This game is driving me insane, and to be frank, Bard, if you're town, once again you are the only freaking person who can move this day on. If you want to deliberate more on your own, sure; but I really feel there's not a lot much other people here have to add, since everyone's taken positions and drawn the lines, as it were.

In a more lighthearted tone,

Hey Rat: You have a right to be a bitter if I'm wrong, feel free to chew me out endlessly over it, I'm sure you'll find it karmic justice. =p

[Carthrat]

BECAUSE IT WAS, if you are a town roleblocker, you BLOCK SUSPICIOUS PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVE CASES ON ARGH! How is not retarded to do otherwise? This hunch crap is a lame method of playing and you know it. I stand by Snow behaving in an incredibly scummy and anti-town fashion regardless of his flip.

And given there was significant let's-not-lynch-snow sentiment that day, YES, I DO find it surprising that nobody at all bothered to call on this.

<->

Bardiche, I freely admit I will use any dirty trick in the book right now to avoid getting lynched, and I know most of them. Since my first one apparently worked, you can't blame me for plugging a good thing.

QR = scum 100%, kill her now plz bardiche.

[Bardiche]

It's driving me insane as well, Laggy. Basically, I am here, with a bunch of people I all have come to like (except you, Carthrat, you play nasty games T_T) and then I have to lynch one of them, knowing they'll very likely take it very personal, burst off in rage and then probably come with something akin to "this is why I never play here".

So when people constantly say "You are the one that has to decide!" I'm going all orz emo because now to the fate of another's enjoyment rests on my shoulders because if I lynch a townie he'll probably go orz omg i never play agin h88888.

[Shale]

I am on Rat's case and Bardiche's vacillation is making him look that much worse to me, especially what with the error to my earlier math being pointed out to me.

Don't you think it's not even slightly odd that nobody at all actually called me out on this day 3, especially when it's so perfect?

Ahem?

Other things I need to consider if I get another chance to post this game day: Excal, Strago, Carthrat (who doesn't look suspicious to me offhand, but when someone is roleblocked and a kill disappears on the same day, this should require deeper analysis by default).

I thought the Snow case was stronger, as I elaborated later in the day. It was still there then, it's there now and stronger given our awesome scumhunting-through-text abilities.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Don't you think it's not even slightly odd that nobody at all actually called me out on this day 3, especially when it's so perfect?

Don't be foolish, Rat. Shale said it himself, and I believe I did too? Until all the roles were on the table, there wasn't enough evidence to go after you. There might have been a doc. A second (town) roleblocker. The vig might have been a one-shot. Ash might have been a bizarre target for the vig, instead of someone he turned out to have been audibly suspicious of. Now that those possibilities are off the table, you look very bad.

##Vote: Carthrat

At this point, I think I've seen enough. I feel Rat is flailing. I trust Laggy. I've made the best case to defend myself and my views today I think I can. If both Laggy and I are wrong, well, hell. Good game to the scum indeed. I readilly admit I have nooo idea who you are if you don't include Rat in your ranks.

Massively ninja'd. QR's in on it too. That doesn't change my mind. QR has generally seemed helpful to me too, and the recent arguments against her I just have not bought. Vote stands.

[Laggy]

BECAUSE IT WAS, if you are a town roleblocker, you BLOCK SUSPICIOUS PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVE CASES ON ARGH! How is not retarded to do otherwise? This hunch crap is a lame method of playing and you know it. I stand by Snow behaving in an incredibly scummy and anti-town fashion regardless of his flip.

And given there was significant let's-not-lynch-snow sentiment that day, YES, I DO find it surprising that nobody at all bothered to call on this.

Honestly? I don't recall a lot of let's-not-lynch-Snow sentiment, I think that was pretty much limited to Andy (who never supported it post meltdown) and Strago (who said himself he prefers not to jump on the main lynchtrain). That's not really flying as an excuse to me, although I won't deny that I am bewildered that no one pressed harder on your roleblock + no second kill that day even with that. I've said as much.

Unfortunately, that doesn't change the fact that that evidence looks incredibly bad on you. And that is NOT a hunch. The only reason I can possibly accept for it and clearing you is that scum and Andy both hit Ashdla that night (scum not NKing or Andy not vigging = remote possibilities I don't buy). I can't really think of another way to phrase this. You either buy into that evidence or you don't. It itself is not based on hunches or playstyles or anything like that, it's about as plain as you can get. And the entire reason I'm pushing for such a case is because it is NOT prone to such gut-relying like things.

[Carthrat]

You're hating on me because I don't know how to love, Bardiche? That hurts. I'm really very friendly, you know. Ask anyone but Laggy or Corwin.

Like Shale and others say, the lines are drawn in the sand, if you're going to vote for me, do it now and I won't be unable to sleep due to the tension tonight (it's 2am, you realise how long this game is keeping me up? And I go back to school tomorrow, too.)

[Ranmilia]

Votecount:

Carthrat (3): Laggy, QR, NEB, Bardiche, Anonymous

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Laggy]

You're hating on me because I don't know how to love, Bardiche? That hurts. I'm really very friendly, you know. Ask anyone but Laggy or Corwin.

Like Shale and others say, the lines are drawn in the sand, if you're going to vote for me, do it now and I won't be unable to sleep due to the tension tonight (it's 2am, you realise how long this game is keeping me up? And I go back to school tomorrow, too.)

Sorry, had to massively lol at that for a moment. <3 you Rat, don't lie.

Otherwise I agree with Rat's sentiment, which is probably just about the only thing we agree on right now! (That is, you should vote. Sometime. The agony's not just on you, Bard, it's on all of us. Ahem.)

[Bardiche]

... Is Rat telling me to end the game for him? ...

I'm so terribly confused right now. All I hope is that we can conclude this damn game in friendly spirits and we'll all hold hands and sing and laugh as we build a oh screw it.

##VOTE: Carthrat

I'll love you even in death, Carthrat.

[Laggy]

It's driving me insane as well, Laggy. Basically, I am here, with a bunch of people I all have come to like (except you, Carthrat, you play nasty games T_T) and then I have to lynch one of them, knowing they'll very likely take it very personal, burst off in rage and then probably come with something akin to "this is why I never play here".

So when people constantly say "You are the one that has to decide!" I'm going all orz emo because now to the fate of another's enjoyment rests on my shoulders because if I lynch a townie he'll probably go orz omg i never play agin h88888.

No no no Bard, I would like to think that in our current roster of players we don't have people who are going to take things that hard. Seriously. Don't let that get in the way of you making a move and being assertive in Mafia. This is still a bloody game in the end, no one's going to h8 and pester 4 life. The fact that I'm trying to be a little more light-toned about it is to ease your feelings in that regard. Christ, man. =p

NINJA'D BY HAMMER

[Sierra]

Final final votecount:

Carthrat (5): Laggy, QR, NEB, Bardiche, Anonymous

"I'm harmless!" the victim cried. "You all know that! I got beaten up by children once (as none of you will let me forget!) I've hurt none of you, can't you let me be?"

"You DID help kill Count Vertigo yesterday," someone with an Australian accent pointed out.

"Yeah," a man with a metal mask chimed in, "and after he talked us into letting you vote for the day too. What kind of gratitude is that? Clearly the actions of a vile terrorist."

"I think we're agreed," said the Wall. "Arthur Light, you're guilty of conspiracy and sentenced to death." With that, she shot him right through the head. And so concluded the vainglorious life and death of Doctor Light. Yet a search of his possessions and of his cell turned up nothing untowards. He was, as he claimed, completely harmless.

Carthrat--Doctor Light, AKA Arthur Light (Town Voteless)--was lynched!

This left very few suspects indeed, and everyone went to bed that night in an uneasy state of mind, knowing that one more loss could seal their fate...

...as, in fact, it did. The influential Thugee assassin Ravan was killed overnight, which left the prison hopelessly in the conspirators' hands. They wasted no time in eliminating their remaining opponents...except for one, who was mysteriously not to be found...

The game is over! Scum win! Perfect game!

Strago--Duchess, AKA Lashina (Self-aligned Bulletproof Survivor)--also wins!

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Well, there you go. Role breakdown and night actions to come. Start your ranting.