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Futurama 2023 Week 3
« on: January 12, 2024, 03:20:12 AM »
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Heat (Digital Devil Saga) vs Lamington (Disgaea: Hour of Darkness)
Riou (Suikoden II) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X)
Goddess (Final Fantasy VI) vs Aeterna (I am Setsuna)
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire IV)

Heavy

Mei-ling (SaGa Frontier) vs Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V)
Temenos Mistral(Octopath Traveler II) vs Kyra Tierney (Phantasy Star IV)
Cthulhu (Cthulhu Saves Christmas) vs Lei Kugo (Live a Live)
Byakuren Hijiri (Labyrinth of Touhou) vs Anna Pascal (Triangle Strategy)

Middle

Minorio Aki (Labyrinth of Touhou 2) vs Createur Rosenqueen (Rhapsody II: Ballad of the Little Princess)
Rinkah (Fire Emblem Fates) vs Divine Punisher Shaman (Etrian Odyssey V)
Dedue Molinaro (Fire Emblem Three Houses) vs Kyrie (Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark)
Ba'Thraz (Chained Echoes) vs Tiki (Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem)

Light

Corselia (Suikoden Tactics) vs Amalia (Chained Echoes)
Primrose Azelhart (Octopath Traveler) vs Ivy (Fire Emblem Engage)
Mediator (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Heather (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
Vitali (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) vs Zelkov (Fire Emblem Engage)
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Re: Futurama 2023 Week 3
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2024, 06:15:24 AM »
Riou (Suikoden II) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X)
This fight has happened many times.
Goddess (Final Fantasy VI) vs Aeterna (I am Setsuna)
Auto-Haste strikes again.  If Aeterna is seen as faster due to FF6 speed wonkiness AND you let Mirage status stop status-attacks, then maybe, but...  doubtful.
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire IV)
Strictly by the stat topic numbers, Belial's Tank Drop deals 0.6 PCHP damage, and Pyro's stat topic has Ryu at 1.13 PDur.  OTOH I am inclined to harshly tiebreak against Belial's damage for various reasons so it wouldn't take too much of a downward adjustment for Ryu to survive 2x hits unlike Polaris.  On the other hand, there's 4D Pocket hype which would render this moot anyway.  If Ryu does survive, he should have tricks to handle the Distortion.  Leaning Ryu, but could be argued?

Middle

Dedue Molinaro (Fire Emblem Three Houses) vs Kyrie (Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark)
If we're giving Kyrie Merc skills (A little uncertain on that), then Flash Strike does let her get past counters, but for terrible damage that will lose the race.  She does have some magic in Wrathful / Holy Beam, but it's not necessarily THAT great, given that it can't double.  I think Kyrie might pull it out anyway despite being "countered" just from being a tad underranked in Middle, since the Slow reaction + Excalibur Renew might give her some stall game here.  Dedue has great damage but he only gets his own turns fairly rarely after Slow comes down, which is bad vs. the regen.


Light

Primrose Azelhart (Octopath Traveler) vs Ivy (Fire Emblem Engage)
Primrose is faster and doubles, but Ivy 2HKOs Primrose.  And doubles don't even necessarily help that much due to the way BP works (I'd see as the equivalent of a Patience extra action, i.e. no extra BP from it).  She'll survive to turn 3 anyway thanks to Encore auto-revive but it hardly helps given that she loses her BP (and any Allure'd allies) on revival.

Mediator (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Heather (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
This...  this might actually be a Mediator win?!  Heather's doubles in Random's stat topic deal 23 damage to a 56 HP kill point.  Mediator has 306 HP to the 286 HP average, so Heather is 3-rounding unless she gets a lucky Bane proc in her first 3 hits.  However, Mediator is 10 Spd to the 9.4 Generics Average.  And if that's seen as too close to average and a threat range tiebreak is preferred, FFT Threaten / Guns have better range than RD knives, and Heather's move is less than the cavalry & fliers in her home game.  So... Heather becomes a chicken?!  Her low damage comes back to haunt her...

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Re: Futurama 2023 Week 3
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2024, 06:54:38 AM »
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Riou (Suikoden II) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X) - +0.72 SD isn't faster than 119% first turn speed under any interp that I know of.  Maybe the old stat topic had Riou as faster?
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire IV) - Doubles off the bat, 2HKOs with Tank Drop.

Heavy

Mei-ling (SaGa Frontier) vs Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V)
Temenos Mistral(Octopath Traveler II) vs Kyra Tierney (Phantasy Star IV) - If PS4 sleep turns out to be relevent here I'll laugh.
Byakuren Hijiri (Labyrinth of Touhou) vs Anna Pascal (Triangle Strategy)

Middle

Rinkah (Fire Emblem Fates) vs Divine Punisher Shaman (Etrian Odyssey V) - Rinkah mostly spoils physical fighters, which Shaman isn't.
Dedue Molinaro (Fire Emblem Three Houses) vs Kyrie (Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark) - e: wait shit Dedue isn't doubled if he uses gauntlets, that is such an alien concept but whatever, it means that plan doesn't work.  I'm... not sure Kyrie has much of an answer outside of attack breaking then?  It'll mess Dedue up bad but I don't see how Kyrie beats out a gauntlet crit without considering beams miss a 4HKO.  e2: oh right One-Two Punch is basically almost as good as a Brave Axe+ too.  Yeah really leaning towards Kyrie not having this after all.

Light

Primrose Azelhart (Octopath Traveler) vs Ivy (Fire Emblem Engage) - Primrose damage is kind of wretched and I absolutely would see Engage mounted mages beating out an 8PT PC on initiative.  I'm no great fan of Allure hype either.
Mediator (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Heather (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) - Sure, goes first and Threatens.  The numerically better range isn't terribly relevent to me but it's not the sort of thing I'd see provoking FE counters anyways.  Heather's 16.75% chance of Bane procs isn't enough.
Vitali (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) vs Zelkov (Fire Emblem Engage) - Given Vitali's bad defensive matchup here this is probably right.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2024, 12:27:44 AM by Random Consonant »

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Re: Futurama 2023 Week 3
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2024, 09:20:20 AM »
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Heat (Digital Devil Saga) vs Lamington (Disgaea: Hour of Darkness) - Heat reflects Lamington's best damage, and status won't be landing on Heat.  Feels pretty clear-cut.  Oh and any counter hype can die in a fire because pre-5 Disgaea counters only apply to basic attacks. [EDIT] i'm an idiot who misremembered shit, nevermind me.
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire IV) - RPGVO rules are not in play, 4D Pocket is in.

Heavy

Mei-ling (SaGa Frontier) vs Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) - I'm feeling quite certain light sword parry is a good counter to MK's bullshit.
Temenos Mistral(Octopath Traveler II) vs Kyra Tierney (Phantasy Star IV) - This one is open to interps either way pending on which average you take for OT2 damage (I go for the three-turn one myself.  Your mileage and/or interps may vary, of course).

Kyra herself at worst is going to be swapping over to the Reflect Robe, and under 3TA, will actually want to ditch the Psy-Shield for a slasher.  Under that, her MDUR drops to 1.09, meaning Temenos will need ~8573 damage.  Bindwa for four turns of course means that Temenos is just not getting anything out of his debuffs.  And unfortunately for Temenos, even the biggest setups he can do for a  Heavenly Shine at max BP can either be healed off in a single Res casting (80 HP recovery versus ~64 PSIV HP in the case of a 2BP Holy Light), or just misses the one-round KO (Hasted 0BP Holy Light->3BP Heavenly Shine does 8182 to the necessary 8573 to kill under these averages).

Which would in turn put Temenos at a bit of a problem.  Her healing runs deeper than his damage (52 shots of Holy Light versus 57 shots of Res and 24 shots of Medice), the threat of Heavenly Shine only diminishes as the match goes on, and only one of them has their physical damage not absolutely nulled by a stacked PSIV DEF buff/ATK debuff.  Very good match.

(Notes for other setups: Kyra swapping to Reflect Robe and a second Reflect Shield gives her a MDUR of 1.338.  Missing the all-important number of 1.337 by a thousandth aside, this would mean she needs, pending on average, anywhere from 8359 to 10523 OT2 damage to take down strictly via magic.  On the other hand, this also now makes her subject to the possibility of running out of offense entirely, which could lead to a stalemate.)

Byakuren Hijiri (Labyrinth of Touhou) vs Anna Pascal (Triangle Strategy) - Unfortunately, Byakuren's duel setup here is set up specifically for her physical skills, and her only multitarget is Magic Milky Way, which is more used for debuffs than damage.  She's also slower and the physical weakness doesn't help one bit.

Middle

Minoriko Aki (Labyrinth of Touhou 2) vs Createur Rosenqueen (Rhapsody II: Ballad of the Little Princess) - i have precisely no idea of what Createur's statline is even like, I can't vote on this without some info.
Rinkah (Fire Emblem Fates) vs Divine Punisher Shaman (Etrian Odyssey V) - Rinkah is very antiphysical, going by the stat topic.  A single Mana Oracle will overkill her through that 0.64 MDUR, without needing Ruinous Prayer's boosting.
Dedue Molinaro (Fire Emblem Three Houses) vs Kyrie (Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark) - This one's tricky, though I do suspect that the Slow counters and MDEF-targeting beams tilt this one in Kyrie's favor.

Light

Mediator (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Heather (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) - I'll buy Threaten hype.
Vitali (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) vs Zelkov (Fire Emblem Engage) - Vitali eating a bad matchup now after getting carried by a Best one last match.  Such is the fate of Soul Nomad duellers.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2024, 11:09:56 PM by 074 »
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Re: Futurama 2023 Week 3
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2024, 01:29:09 PM »
Riou (Suikoden II) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X) - I've seen this fight before and I had the same questions about who's faster as well. So yeah.
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire IV) - Even if you don't allow 4D Pocket to win the fight, it resets the target's CTB gauge to zero, so it locks Ryu down all the same. There's no universe where Belial doesn't insta-double Ryu, so Agony Effect => 4D Pocket => lather rinse repeat.

Mei-ling (SaGa Frontier) vs Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) - Mei-ling just 2HKOs on average, I think. Light Sword makes MK's accuracy not turn one, so if necessary to guarantee the 2HKO, she can also afford that.
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Re: Futurama 2023 Week 3
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2024, 06:48:25 PM »
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Heat (Digital Devil Saga) vs Lamington (Disgaea: Hour of Darkness)
Riou (Suikoden II) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X)
Goddess (Final Fantasy VI) vs Aeterna (I am Setsuna)
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire IV)

Heavy

Mei-ling (SaGa Frontier) vs Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V)
Temenos Mistral(Octopath Traveler II) vs Kyra Tierney (Phantasy Star IV)- No vote
Cthulhu (Cthulhu Saves Christmas) vs Lei Kugo (Live a Live)
Byakuren Hijiri (Labyrinth of Touhou) vs Anna Pascal (Triangle Strategy)- No vote

Middle

Minorio Aki (Labyrinth of Touhou 2) vs Createur Rosenqueen (Rhapsody II: Ballad of the Little Princess)- No vote
Rinkah (Fire Emblem Fates) vs Divine Punisher Shaman (Etrian Odyssey V)- No vote
Dedue Molinaro (Fire Emblem Three Houses) vs Kyrie (Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark)- I think.
Ba'Thraz (Chained Echoes) vs Tiki (Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem)- No vote

Light

Corselia (Suikoden Tactics) vs Amalia (Chained Echoes)- No vote
Primrose Azelhart (Octopath Traveler) vs Ivy (Fire Emblem Engage)- Open to argument on this one but I don't think Prim doubles for me and that's game over there.
Mediator (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Heather (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
Vitali (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) vs Zelkov (Fire Emblem Engage)
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Re: Futurama 2023 Week 3
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2024, 09:15:04 PM »
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Heat (Digital Devil Saga) vs Lamington (Disgaea: Hour of Darkness)
Riou (Suikoden II) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X):
Goddess (Final Fantasy VI) vs Aeterna (I am Setsuna)
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire IV)

Heavy

Mei-ling (SaGa Frontier) vs Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V)
Temenos Mistral(Octopath Traveler II) vs Kyra Tierney (Phantasy Star IV): Holy nuke.
Cthulhu (Cthulhu Saves Christmas) vs Lei Kugo (Live a Live)
Byakuren Hijiri (Labyrinth of Touhou) vs Anna Pascal (Triangle Strategy)

Middle

Minorio Aki (Labyrinth of Touhou 2) vs Createur Rosenqueen (Rhapsody II: Ballad of the Little Princess)
Rinkah (Fire Emblem Fates) vs Divine Punisher Shaman (Etrian Odyssey V)
Dedue Molinaro (Fire Emblem Three Houses) vs Kyrie (Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark): One-two punching?
Ba'Thraz (Chained Echoes) vs Tiki (Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem)

Light

Corselia (Suikoden Tactics) vs Amalia (Chained Echoes): Limitless resources.
Primrose Azelhart (Octopath Traveler) vs Ivy (Fire Emblem Engage)
Mediator (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Heather (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn): I'm harsher on Humans in FE10 then most so this feels right?
Vitali (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) vs Zelkov (Fire Emblem Engage)

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Re: Futurama 2023 Week 3
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2024, 10:08:26 PM »
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Heat (Digital Devil Saga) vs Lamington (Disgaea: Hour of Darkness): Lamington doesn't really have a great way past the tentacles.
Riou (Suikoden II) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X): Faster.
Goddess (Final Fantasy VI) vs Aeterna (I am Setsuna): Yeah this seems rigt.
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Ryu (Breath of Fire IV): 4D Pocket is kinda evil. She probably doesn't need it.

Heavy

Mei-ling (SaGa Frontier) vs Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V): See Snow, this is probably an initiative 2HKO and even if she misses, she can buff once with LightSword first.
Temenos Mistral(Octopath Traveler II) vs Kyra Tierney (Phantasy Star IV): Bindwa to the rescue! That can buy her time until the debuffs wear off. Of course, she'll actually have to win at some point, and that... would basically need her to get lucky with sleep's duration. Temenos can also do massive damage to her (like 90%) so I imagine he can heal-lock somewhat (she's faster I guess but Octopath speed). I'm not certain. If Kyra had more than four shots of Bindwa I'd definitely vote her, but as is she'll need to get lucky reasonably quickly. EDIT: Going with 074's vote.

Middle

Dedue Molinaro (Fire Emblem Three Houses) vs Kyrie (Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark): Dedue 3HKOs, Kyrie 4HKOs. After a slow counter, Dedue gets his next two turns in the time it would normally take him to get three, but that still means he gets his third turn just before Kyrie gets her fourth. Dedue's 3HKO is high so I don't think regen saves Kyrie here.
Ba'Thraz (Chained Echoes) vs Tiki (Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem): Tiki is just durable enough to survive a Heaven and Hell Metal Dagger, so Ba'Tharz doesn't win until turn 3. Tiki also wins on turn 3, and is faster. Except... wait. Ba'Tharaz gets massive damage boosts at low HP, both from Revenge and from SOS Atk Up (which I don't think Tiki can dodge). So he just one-shots. Wild.

Light

Corselia (Suikoden Tactics) vs Amalia (Chained Echoes): Both fail at killing each other, but Corselia runs out of MP and panel regen eventually. Heal/Concentration lets Amalia stay afloat indefinitely.
Primrose Azelhart (Octopath Traveler) vs Ivy (Fire Emblem Engage): Doubt Primrose doubles to me, and she may win even if she is because I definitely agree that doubles would not give extra BP.
Mediator (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Heather (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn): Think this is right.
Vitali (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) vs Zelkov (Fire Emblem Engage): And this.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2024, 05:06:32 PM by Dark Holy Elf »

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Re: Futurama 2023 Week 3
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2024, 05:52:06 PM »
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Heat (Digital Devil Saga)- iiii vs Lamington (Disgaea: Hour of Darkness)
Riou (Suikoden II)- i vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X)- iiii
Goddess (Final Fantasy VI)- iii vs Aeterna (I am Setsuna)
Belial (Wild ARMs 4)- iiiiii vs Ryu (Breath of Fire IV)

Heavy

Mei-ling (SaGa Frontier)- iiii vs Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V)
Temenos Mistral(Octopath Traveler II)- i vs Kyra Tierney (Phantasy Star IV)- ii
Cthulhu (Cthulhu Saves Christmas)- i vs Lei Kugo (Live a Live)
Byakuren Hijiri (Labyrinth of Touhou) vs Anna Pascal (Triangle Strategy)- ii

Middle

Minorio Aki (Labyrinth of Touhou 2) vs Createur Rosenqueen (Rhapsody II: Ballad of the Little Princess) (random.org rolled 1)
Rinkah (Fire Emblem Fates) vs Divine Punisher Shaman (Etrian Odyssey V)- ii
Dedue Molinaro (Fire Emblem Three Houses)- iiii vs Kyrie (Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark)
Ba'Thraz (Chained Echoes)- i vs Tiki (Fire Emblem: New Mystery of the Emblem)

Light

Corselia (Suikoden Tactics) vs Amalia (Chained Echoes)- ii
Primrose Azelhart (Octopath Traveler) vs Ivy (Fire Emblem Engage)- iiii
Mediator (Final Fantasy Tactics)- iiiiii vs Heather (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
Vitali (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) vs Zelkov (Fire Emblem Engage)- iiii
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