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Title: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on October 05, 2015, 03:13:47 AM
This topic is for general discussion of Final Fantasy Record Keeper so those who hate seeing it don't have to see it if they don't want to. If you're unaware of what Record Keeper (henceforth referred to as FFRK) is, then go to the below link. I've also included a synopsis from Something Awful on the game.


http://www.finalfantasyrecordkeeper.com/


What is Final Fantasy Record Keeper?

FFRK is a mobile game created by DeNA(Mobage) which released in Japan late last year and just recently in English. It's a free-to-play game where you go through battles from all of the main, non-MMO final fantasy games. You unlock characters from the various games through normal gameplay as well as event dungeons. The characters can be given skills and equipment (relics). The game has the usual Free-to-Play trappings including premium currency, stamina, daily dungeons, and a gacha where you pull for 3 to 5 star items. Rather than having to pull for rare characters like in other games, you pull for rare gear in this. The English version currently does not have any buddy/friend use system however one was added later on in Japan and should end up here as well.

Remember when All The Bravest was first announced and everyone was looking forward to a mobile FF game setup similar to the old NES/SNES ones? This game is pretty much the kind of game people hoped/expected ATB to be: the usual F2P elements wrapped around turn-based Final Fantasy combat allowing you to put together a team of your favorite characters.



Tips and Tricks

-If you're new, just follow the story dungeons
-On Sundays, make sure you do the Event dungeon, as the experience from it is tremendously higher than anything else in the game
-Do whatever event content is available, as you get great rewards from those dungeons
-Try and hold off on doing a Relic pull until you have 50 Mythril, and do not bother doing a relic pull until we get better banners.

The Retaliate Strategy (usually referred to as Reta-meta or Advantaliate)

Steps on how to get Retaliate to work:

Set-up:
Retaliate (I prefer Rank 3 to get through stages)
Boost (or some equivalent targetable ATK booster)
Armor Break(Down) or some other form of Defense Down for the target(s)
Optional: Double Cut user(s)
Optional: Tempo Flurry user(s)
Optional (but usually a good idea) Advance as a RW, which increases your attack by 250%

Step set 1:
Have your Retaliate user activate said skill
Have your Support user target your Retaliate user with Boost

Step 2:
Have all your non-Retaliate people specifically target the person using Retaliate, and Attack/Double Cut/Tempo Flurry

Step 3:
Remember to refresh Retaliate every other turn


How this works:
Basically, Retaliate puts a buff on the user that puts them in an Evade & Counter stance.  However, this also affects MT physicals, so it winds up being even better effectively.  When the user is physically attacked, they will target the enemy with the lowest % of health left with the activated counter.  If the Retaliate user manages to dodge multiple physicals in the same attack, counters will be queued and all come off once the attack ends, even being stored between combat rounds (but not separate battles).  Retaliate lasts about two turns from its activation.

Double Cut actually has a .6x modifier to each hit of its attack.  However, it counts as two attacks for Retaliate, so if Double Cut is instead targeted towards the Retaliate user, you basically get 2x Retaliate user damage that's auto-targeted.

Boost increases the target's ATK by 50%, which roughly increases damage by that much outright.

Once you combine all these, your physical damage output increases dramatically, because your Retaliate user is getting 4+ Boosted Damage attacks per turn.  It's also very cost-effective when it comes to ability uses.

Downside:
Characters that attack the Retaliate user do not gain Soul Break meter for their attack, like they would for attacking the enemy.
Retaliate counters do not increase the user's Soul Break meter.





Useful Links

https://ffrkstrategy.gamematome.jp/game/951/wiki/Home - Main Wiki
http://ffrk.kongbakpao.com/ - Has useful strategies and updates for bosses
http://tinyurl.com/oz43wvp - Quick Info spreadsheet, very informative

5* Abilities and Orb Requirements (http://imgur.com/gvJNZ4U)



DL Friend Codes

I didn't bother to go looking for everyone's code, so I'll just include mine

bUM2 (yes, I'm serious)

Djinn (Don't be friends with him): friend code: enWi
THE DALEKS: Q3gF
Snow: Q1ne
Scar: 91So
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on October 05, 2015, 03:15:44 AM
If people think I should put new player tips or information in the top post I can, but I figured it wasn't really necessary.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 05, 2015, 04:06:33 AM
Friend code Q3gF

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Did the Auron boss rush except I forgot to put Auron in.  Not a problem!  Still mastered it because everything has really low hp.  Selphie (Curaga, Diaga), Balthier (Silence Buster, Dismissal), Vivi (Waterja, Quake), Tifa (Magic Break, Armor Break), Sephiroth (Launch, POIZN).  Ended up not needing POIZN because Vivi hit it on first shot with his soul break.

So Kimahri time...

Looks at Kimarhi's useable weapons...

Looks at Kimarhi's usable skills...

Hey, I wonder if I can master this without Kimahri also!  Sadly the answer is no, the Super Ronso Bros have too much aoe.  They're not terribly strong but you will lose damage medals.  I'll do it again once my timebux recharge.

Yukikaze is really nice!  I'll be using it on a regular basis with Sephiroth.  Only have enough orbs for rank 2 though.  Come on Orbfest!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 05, 2015, 04:20:17 AM
You could try to petrify Kimahri and have the remaining PCs take care of the fight. Stone does not count as a KO for medal scoring purposes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 05, 2015, 04:36:14 AM
Really? A separate topic? Yeah ok whatever I don't even have the energy to argue about this.

RK - Exp/Upgrade fest over. Got Evoker's RM2, so Valefor farming Engine is now a thing. All of my A team are at 70+, etc. Did an 11 and a 3 pull on the Gilgy/Sephy SSB banner, no luck, but neither were really that important.

Gonna spend timebux rushing through story dungeons trying to get 50 mythril for one 11 pull before Cloud's banner ends.

After that wraps up I think I finally have a strong enough team to attempt the Deep Dungeon areas. Those 120-140 difficulty ratings are still p. intimidating though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 05, 2015, 11:11:16 AM
Collected the Memory Crystals for Kim and Auron. No real desire to attempt the later parts of the event, because there's nothing worth my while for what I'm assuming will be a failed effort.

Back to grinding mythril for the hopes of finally maybe having a big boy weapon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 05, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
friend code: enWi

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VSM: You could at least take a shot at Iai Strike for Seph/Auron. It's the cheapest access to instant death you'll get. Which while situational, when you get to that situation, you're going to want it instead of having to craft Death or Pressure Point.

Playing some of the new update again before trying Auron's EX fights. It seems FF12 has a Ranged-only fight. Well, at least I have plenty of Ranged weapons, one of which being a FF12 synergy gun! Should be fun. Had to hone up Drain to a decent level because I literally have no room in my party for Drain Strike and I have no other sources of Dark-elemental damage at this point. What did everyone else use?

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 05, 2015, 02:43:04 PM
Friend code: Q1ne

Well, finally concluded the bonus battles on Auron's event, mastery in all of the dungeons. Some thoughts:

- The Seymourpallooza boss rush looks worse than it actually is. The Guado Guardians on Seymour 1 are so fragile you don't even have to bother with instant death/petrify. Just Quake/summon their asses, put up Carbuncle, rush Anima with Magic Breakdown, profit. Seymour Natus can be blitzed as well, just don't forget to mitigate - I stacked Magic Breakdown and Shellga before putting up Carbuncle, which led to a quick, mostly painless fight. Seymour Flux is a bit more annoying, since there's no truly reliable way to inflict Poison (I missed mastery on the fight due to only landing Silence and killing Flux before Poison procced with Venom Buster), but if you perform well enough, you can afford the medal loss. My setup was L54 Auron (R4 Venom Buster/R5 Silence Buster)/L65 Yuna (R2 Alexander/R2 Carbuncle)/L65 Vivi (R4 Waterja/R3 Quake)/L65 Wakka (R3 Mental Breakdown/R3 Magic Breakdown)/L56 Arc (R5 Curaga/R1 Shellga). Sentinel's Grimoire RW.
- Biran and Yenke aren't too bad, either. Berserking Biran mostly undoes his threat and Slowing Yenke also helps a lot (besides being a target mastery score!). They're also not very durable. Setup was L50 Kimahri (R5 Boost/R5 Silence Buster)/Wakka (R2 Power Breakdown/Magic Breakdown)/Vivi/Arc (R3 Berserk/R1 Slowga)/Yuna (Curaga/R3 Diaga). Once again, Sentinel's Grimoire RW.
- Sanctuary Keeper is a COLOSSAL DICK. Holy shit, unmitigated Photon Wings OHKOed half my party and it also happens to proc random status. I had to flee in order to reshuffle my setup, since without Sentinel's Grimoire, the fight just. Wasn't. Happening. The winning setup went as follows:

Auron (Venom Buster/Boost)
Wakka (Power Breakdown/Tempo Flurry)
Vivi (Waterja/R3 Thundaja)
Yuna (Shellga/Curaga)
Arc (R1 Protectga/R3 Reflect)

Open with Sentinel's Grimoire, follow up with Shellga and Protectga, then Power Breakdown and Venom Buster until Poison lands (it's a target score and the damage seriously adds up if you proc early). Afterwards, I put up Reflect on Sanctuary Keeper, both avoiding his magical counters and walling his buffs/status healing. Next Arc turn, Reflect goes on Vivi so he can actually do offense. Yuna stays on healing duty. Poison landed on Auron's second try, Wakka landed Slow on the first Tempo Flurry and then the fight went relatively smoothly - buffs and Esuna are wasted Keeper turns and avoiding those magical counters is a godsend. All buffs -will- wear out at some point, though, so you need to be on point to recast them. Mana Breath in particular could one-shot almost any PC in my party sans mitigation. If you have a strong physical party, you can also forego a mage entirely (self-casting Reflect can be problematic for healing). There's so much that can go wrong in the first turn, though. Nearly everything SK does if he gets a crack at your party before mitigation's up can lead to an instant S/L. Regardless, done with the event, so back to Elite dungeon clearing until Vaan's event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 05, 2015, 02:47:06 PM
Playing some of the new update again before trying Auron's EX fights. It seems FF12 has a Ranged-only fight. Well, at least I have plenty of Ranged weapons, one of which being a FF12 synergy gun! Should be fun. Had to hone up Drain to a decent level because I literally have no room in my party for Drain Strike and I have no other sources of Dark-elemental damage at this point. What did everyone else use?

Just as well, Drain Strike isn't elemental, unlike the Drain spell. I expect to fully maim the FF12 event if the Elite dungeons were any indication: Danjuro and a 4++* Empyrean Rod really make short work of everything. For Garuda, I had R4 Drain, R5 Dark and a fake-6* synergy rod. 9999s off -ga-level spells were had in abundance.

EDIT:

Collected the Memory Crystals for Kim and Auron. No real desire to attempt the later parts of the event, because there's nothing worth my while for what I'm assuming will be a failed effort.

I'd at least give the non-boss stages further down a shot. Retaliate setups with FF10 synergy weapons (if you have a Warrior's Sword or a Kodachi, you already have better than natural 5* equipment to Reta-meta with and clear the fights. Combined, the Mythril Sabers handed by the event are about as good as a natural 5*) should tide you over very well. In fact, I wouldn't even rule out trying Defender X if you can craft Carbuncle and at least R2 Berserk, since you can spoil the hell out of the fight that way. Advantaliate would take care of the rest. And honestly, I wouldn't rule out using Mythril retries for those rewards either, those Greater Orbs are SERIOUSLY valuable. If you think you can clear content spending a Mythril or two, do it: the payoff is far bigger than saving Mythril you can replenish in a couple daily logins. I used Mythrils for fully clearing events until my abilities and hones were good enough to not need it anymore and I have absolutely no regrets.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 05, 2015, 04:02:59 PM
If people think I should put new player tips or information in the top post I can, but I figured it wasn't really necessary.

Might be worth it to post how Retaliate Meta/Advantaliate works up there since it's the most non-intuitive core strategy that can help anyone new at getting those hard-to-reach Memory Crystals in their earliest events.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 05, 2015, 08:29:24 PM
Just got IA strike.

Kinda bummed about not getting Zack relic.

Kinda bummed about only having 2 character specific relics.

This game is bum indusing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 05, 2015, 10:53:38 PM
Steps on how to get Retaliate to work:

Set-up:
Retaliate (I prefer Rank 3 to get through stages)
Boost (or some equivalent targetable ATK booster)
Armor Break(Down) or some other form of Defense Down for the target(s)
Optional: Double Cut user(s)
Optional: Tempo Flurry user(s)

Step set 1:
Have your Retaliate user activate said skill
Have your Support user target your Retaliate user with Boost

Step 2:
Have all your non-Retaliate people specifically target the person using Retaliate, and Attack/Double Cut/Tempo Flurry

Step 3:
Remember to refresh Retaliate every other turn


How this works:
Basically, Retaliate puts a buff on the user that puts them in an Evade & Counter stance.  However, this also affects MT physicals, so it winds up being even better effectively.  When the user is physically attacked, they will target the enemy with the lowest % of health left with the activated counter.  If the Retaliate user manages to dodge multiple physicals in the same attack, counters will be queued and all come off once the attack ends, even being stored between combat rounds (but not separate battles).  Retaliate lasts about two turns from its activation.

Double Cut actually has a .6x modifier to each hit of its attack.  However, it counts as two attacks for Retaliate, so if Double Cut is instead targeted towards the Retaliate user, you basically get 2x Retaliate user damage that's auto-targeted.

Boost increases the target's ATK by 50%, which roughly increases damage by that much outright.

Once you combine all these, your physical damage output increases dramatically, because your Retaliate user is getting 4+ Boosted Damage attacks per turn.  It's also very cost-effective when it comes to ability uses.

Downside:
Characters that attack the Retaliate user do not gain Soul Break meter for their attack, like they would for attacking the enemy.
Retaliate counters do not increase the user's Soul Break meter.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magetastica on October 05, 2015, 11:23:45 PM
I'm just going to chime in to note that unless your Retaliate-r is idling for a while, you can get 2 ability use/attacks off from them before needing to refresh retaliate on the third turn. Also, if you're killing enemies in one attack with the Retaliate-r then you won't need to refresh it until you either hit the next set of battles (duh) or you hit a boss.

Also it's super cost-effective for those with very few high-end Equips because you really just need to load one person up with as much Attack as you can, and then everyone else just needs to live, basically. Their actual damage output doesn't matter too much.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 05, 2015, 11:45:55 PM
Also worth noting a few things:

- Boost increases attack by 25%, which means an effective ~50% damage increase (the damage formula isn't linear, so higher attack yields increasing returns before hitting the soft cap, currently at 529 ATK)
- Speaking of soft cap, Boost stacks with specific buffs like Hand of the Emperor (Leon's SB) and Advance (Luneth's SB), for an instance. If you have access to these RWs, you can achieve outstanding results
- More importantly, Retaliate massively alleviates the hunt for good equipment, since only the retaliator's attack matters for your damage output. It can compensate for low hones and bad gacha pulls in a really big way, especially when paired with Advance (to give you an idea, you can ram the soft cap just with Advance by the time your retaliator hits 212 total ATK, which isn't a hard benchmark to achieve even with only 4* gear).
- Another advantage to Reta-meta is its low maintenance on orb demand, requiring mostly 2* orbs, which are easy to amass in bulk even sans dedicated daily farming. Tempo Flurry requires 3* orbs, but those are easily farmable on Heroic dailies, which can be safely cleared by a party close to L50 and non-completely awful gear (synergy 2++* and onwards).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 06, 2015, 03:09:30 AM
How to Mage Meta:  Win Vivi's soul break weapon, faceroll game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on October 06, 2015, 03:56:35 AM
I think one of the best pieces of advice for a totally new player would be to go back and do the Elite version of the second FF7 dungeon and the Waterway in FF4 to get those two weapons that are crazy good for your casters.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 06, 2015, 05:35:02 AM
Too lazy to look it up. What does Tempo Flurry do and what are the reqs? I dunno which branch Celerity is in JP but can prolly figure it out based off that info.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 06, 2015, 06:38:00 AM
In Japanese it's Dual Delay (デュアルディレイ).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 06, 2015, 07:19:30 AM
My lack of unique soul breaks continues. This game is sadness.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 06, 2015, 07:54:21 AM
You could go into credit card debt for a sb weapon

Dual Delay? The Double Cut plus slow skill? What is the advantage of using that over double cut? Does Slow increase the duration of Reta or something?

Also, is there more to the mage meta than having Rods, ja spells, faith, and the assorted WM buffs? Its rockin pretty hard with just that but I wanna make sure I'm squeezing as much as I can out of my workforce.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 06, 2015, 08:13:40 AM
It's a Celerity (Speed) skill. So it comes out notably faster than Double cut. Also it can be equipped on PCs that have Celerity and not Combat. And it can be used to inflict Slow on an enemy in a pinch. But it still serves the same basic purpose in Reta-Meta, since the Slow won't ever proc on a retaliater since they auto-evade any physicals directed at them.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 06, 2015, 08:43:00 AM
Ah, ok, so its more of a party composition thing. I suppose nobody I run regularly only has speed but not combat. Well, maybe Faris, but she's always on breakdown duty when she comes out anyway.

Edit: I don't think anyone else is playing JP, but in case someone new comes along who is, go ahead and throw my friend code up on the top post pls.

QdGsY
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 06, 2015, 11:15:15 AM
You could go into credit card debt for a sb weapon

Dual Delay? The Double Cut plus slow skill? What is the advantage of using that over double cut? Does Slow increase the duration of Reta or something?

Also, is there more to the mage meta than having Rods, ja spells, faith, and the assorted WM buffs? Its rockin pretty hard with just that but I wanna make sure I'm squeezing as much as I can out of my workforce.

That and hones are basically it. Getting specific SBs such as the one from Lulu's Hairpin or the one from Kefka's Mantle are nice perks, and scoring good bracers and hats also helps, but if you get a good assortment of rods and staves (or char-specific spellcasting weapons, such as Terra's Enhancer and Mog's Holy Lance), you're pretty much set. Given your loadout, I can say you're safely well-suited for mage meta.

EDIT: Hilariously, Cap'n is kinda right about the Oak Staff. It took until the Mace of Zeus for the Oak Staff to be obsoleted specifically for Vivi (Doublecast Venom has a higher mult than Doublecast Meteor and the Cypress Pile only has 1 more Mag than the Oak Staff, which was, until that, the highest mag weapon in the game). And you really can never have too many mage weapons unless you're completely drowning on mage synergy equips.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 06, 2015, 11:30:31 AM
Also, on Tempo Flurry/Dual Delay (why did we bother renaming it? Weird), as near as I can tell, more bosses are able to be slowed than cannot be slowed. It seems like the one status that actually will work on bosses, so despite being the same mult as double strike, it's definitely worth being a star higher, because it is just much better on that virtue alone.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 06, 2015, 11:33:18 AM
Tempo Flurry being a 3* along with LEG SHOT is one of the most wtf design decisions in abilities. I don't think Tempo Flurry would hold out as a 4*, but it's definitely a great 3*. Also, you'd be very surprised at how often bosses are vulnerable to debilitating status in this game.

(Also, Double Cut is a 2* ability.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 06, 2015, 12:05:37 PM
I said it was a star higher.

GUYS. GUYS.

I rage threw 5 mythril at the banner and got Auron's sword. I have a unique weapon, guys. I have a POWERFUL weapon, guys. I have a very specific type of enemy I am no longer remotely afraid of. :tooooooooooooot:

That is all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 06, 2015, 12:08:59 PM
Congrats, VSM! You got a unique SB weapon about 2 months faster than I got a Mage Weapon. Now go destroy some FFX dungeons! (And just about anything else you want because Auron is a Retaliater...)

I recommend -any- Seymour fight.

Seriously, so fucking sick of Seymour...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 06, 2015, 12:14:39 PM
I'm just glad I got the weapon for a character I actually like. And don't have to forever lug around someone I've never heard of.

For VSM times or Attack all enemies and their Attack is lowered:
bFmo is my key.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 06, 2015, 12:52:27 PM
Oh, yeah, progress.

Only the Seifer and Edea dungeon left to clear on Elite, which I should do tomorrow. Today is black power day, which is, as always, non-negotiable. I honed Firaja to R3, which brings me to four -ja level spells at acceptable hone levels (R4 Waterja, R3 Diaga, R3 Thundaja and R3 Firaja). Also honed Alexander to R2, crafted and honed Waterga to R5 (will be useful for Earth Dragon on Shadow's event and Belias on Vaan's event this week), R5'd Silence Buster. I'm also amassing Greater Holy, Dark and Non-Elemental Orbs so I'll be ready for Darkra and Ruinga. Hopefully the Orb festival will give me enough Greater Blacks to last me a while, but given how I'm aiming for R4 on at least four -ja spells before the year ends, I honestly doubt it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 06, 2015, 01:13:03 PM
I ripped off paid homage to Snow's strategy on Sanctuary Keeper.  Got the mastery after a full day of save/loading.

Selphie (Curaga/Protectga)
Balthier (Tempo Flurry/Dismissal)
Vivi (Waterja/Firaja)
Garnet (Reflect/Shellga)
Auron (Boost/Venom Buster)

Was worried that having two people not attacking would hurt my number of actions but the poison damage does indeed add up nicely.  And boosted Balthier puts out decent damage.  Just make sure to reflect yourself first and bounce reflect to Sanctuary Keeper because Reflect is one of the things he can counterattack.

Well this event definitely provided more challenge than Zack's event.  But it made me waste eggs on two characters I will never use again, therefore it is worst event ever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 06, 2015, 01:41:30 PM
If it's any consolation, you don't have to spend eggs on Vaan and Ashe this week! On the other hand, Ashe can use your Enhancer to good effect. And on the OTHER other hand, Terra's getting reissued next week.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 06, 2015, 02:31:43 PM
DJ has a mage weapon.

VSM has a 5* physical weapon on a character who can use Retaliate.

Fuck this game, I'm done.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 06, 2015, 07:28:14 PM
Cleared all elites for this update. Don't feel like doing more farming today, so I guess I'll just wait until tomorrow. Orb festival being so close really kills any incentive to run through the normal dailies. Seifer/Edea was a funny fight in that it was the first time I've used Reta-meta in a couple months.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 06, 2015, 11:25:04 PM
And then the motorcycle started doing ninja flips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZoxWGMbRQc
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 06, 2015, 11:41:04 PM
Fenrir Drive is gloriously stupid, yes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 07, 2015, 01:15:42 AM
Say what you will about the game, they're good at making things stupidly stylish.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 07, 2015, 08:57:15 AM
Reading back up, I think the reason Leg aim and Dual Delay are on the same star tier is because DD's chance of inflicting slow is supposedly way lower. (The Japanese says, 低確率, very low chance, vs.  一転確率, "a chance"). THAT SAID with S/L abuse Dual Delay can still inflict Slow for fights you need slow to proc for medals, making it way better unless you actually need Slow to proc regularly in order to beat the fight (like I did when trying to get Terra's MC2 with my much, much weaker party than I have now).

Incidentally, beat the FF7AC 3-sephiroth fight (whatever their names are, I didn't watch AC), by a combination of mage meta and retameta. In hindsight, I should have had Terra use Cheer instead of R3Thundaja in addition to R4Waterja since it turns out mixing metas just leads to two diluted metas, but regardless... BAM MOTHERFUCKER, first EX mastery. Didn't even have to S/L for the slow to proc.  Honestly, more than anything though, what made that fight possible was Aerith's MT reraise + Heal SB.  Best thing that happened to me in this game by far.

I also like very much that this event, instead of saddling you with an MC2 you may or may not use, just gave me a blank one and let me choose which MC2 I wanted. Thanks game.

I'll try my hand at Reunion Sephiroth a tad later. Not sure if I can get mastery just by virtue of my cloud being L50 and therefore kinda a weak link, but I should be able to clear it at the very least.

Faris is doing well for a MC1 support/celerity character (let's just start mixing the english and japanese terms willy nilly to make it super confusing. I feel like I understand why Niu sounded the way he did when we talked shop way back when a lot more now), but her MC2 isn't out yet. Looking at the roster of characters with MC2s who I can easily access, looks like I can use Terra for Support (well, hey, looks like she's a lock even in Reta-Meta. I am perfectly fine with this), but for Celerity... well, I think I'll hold off. It's not super important yet. Fran is looking like a good option since she can equip my 5*spear and has Support5 AND Celerity5, filling that niche, but meh characters from games I haven't played. Locke may work, but he's only 3* Support and I don't know how useful access to Thief skills will be over having access to Breakdowns. Ah well, it's not like I have to decide now or anything anyway.

EDIT: A dirty liar is me, because efficiency of spending Timebux said hey why don't we just fight R. Sephy now?

Mastered. Had to S/L once because I let my RW Stoneskin / Protectga / Shellga wear off when he got to his Hellgate phase. A couple more to ensure the slow on Dual Delay hit and then yeah. Setup was

Terra (R2Cheer/R2Dispel)
Cloud (R3Double Hit/R3Dual Delay)
Seph (R5Reta, R1Indoor Spell (whatever it's called))
Yuna (R2Protectga, R5Curaga)
Aeris (R2Shellga, R4Curaga)

Since I have an FF7 synergy Masamune but only one synergy rods Reta-meta was the clear winner here. Wasn't even that hard. Guys i have a big boy party now yaaaaay

The 140-difficulty fight looks pretty ridiculous and I think I'll actually do that one later.

EDIT2: This also marks the second time that a villain party member was instrumental in taking down his own EX fight.  I can't say I'm not tickled.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 07, 2015, 11:13:43 AM
That was a cool read. It's always interesting hearing how new players adjust without the tools older players had access to. It seems like 'catching up' is always possible, and it's only my collector mentality that makes me feel relieved I joined the game so early on. I might start a second account on the PC just to try out the earlygame experience with the new tools. And since I won't need to collect anything on a secondary account, I can try out some weird strats.

Especially fun to read about new players in the Japanese version because the current state of the game is so vastly different than the game I'm playing now.

I also can't for the life of me figure out what Indoor Spell is supposed to be and why you'd give it to Sephiroth...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 07, 2015, 11:23:57 AM
Endo Aspiru = Lifesiphon. The 4* Combat ability released on Fang's event that gives about 1/3 of a SB bar when used. It's a pretty ubiquitous ability on JP's current melee meta for people with SSB weapons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 07, 2015, 11:34:56 AM
DJ, honestly more than the new tools available (although yes Orb conversion is a godsend), what makes my party viable now is having been around for the orb fest (EDIT: and just as importantly, having been around prior to the orb fest juuuuuust enough that I could continually farm out the top-tier orb fest for the entire two weeks). I feel like I got several months worth of farming done in two weeks. Like, farming dailies now feels like such a gyp comparatively.

Life Syphon? That name sucks. I'm gonna keep using Indoor Spell.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 07, 2015, 02:23:44 PM
Welp, farming more Greater Black Orbs on Babil Tower because I like wasting my time. I'll probably only do that until mid-afternoon, since I want to move through as much of Vaan's event as I can early (I still need to farm more Dark and Non-elemental Orbs this week, but once again I can spare a Thursday). I also need to L50 Ricard by Sunday, since the next dungeon update with his Memory Crystal should be up next week and his Record Materia is an improved Self-Sacrifice (+20% to Attack instead of +10% Attack and Defense). Currently sitting at 69 Mythril, which might elicit some crude comments from Zenny.

EDIT: Zenny, Thief 4 gives access to Power Steal, which is a non-damaging Power Breakdown + 50% Attack to the user for 20s (i.e. longer than normal Break/Breakdown duration, which is 15s). If your thief's under the soft cap, that's an over 100% damage buff. There's also Armor Steal, which isn't anywhere near as potent a defense buff and ST durability buffing is meh, but there's at least partial Breakdown coverage from the skillset as is. Make of this what you may.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 07, 2015, 03:08:38 PM
Currently sitting at 69 Mythril, which might elicit some crude comments from Zenny.

You don't know me at all, do you.

What battle speed are those seconds based off of? 3? Additionally, if an enemy is resistant to breaks, does the power/armor steal still go through at full power or is it reduced the same as a break? It still seems like going for a Support4/Celerity4  character may be more worthwhile than Celerity4/Theif4 since I'm mostly looking at lowering enemy defenses than I am lowering enemy offense, but it is something to consider for sure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 07, 2015, 03:14:41 PM
Break resistance still applies, but only for the debuffing part - i.e. Steal Power, even if reducing attack by half of the original 45%, still gives you the full 50% Attack buff. And yeah, those numbers are based on 3 speed and get scaled accordingly on lower/higher speeds.

Regardless, it's mostly a matter of what fits your setups better (Bartz likely makes the best use out of Steal Power, due to also having high Combat levels and strong relic SBs, for instance). Magic and Mental Breakdown are the highest-priority 4* breaks, since they can't be replicated with universal skills otherwise, magic damage is more dangerous than physical and ultimately mage setups take actually less work than physical setups. Physicals are just so reliant on buffing in general due to their formula and low multipliers.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 07, 2015, 03:22:41 PM
On most thief characters, that doesn't sound like that great of a buff, though, really. At least not with the equipment I have now. Like, that won't get me any more damage unless I'm for some reason not using retaliate on Sephiroth, which atm doesn't sound like a thing I would do. Even if I'm focusing on mage damage with my physical characters there mostly for mitigation, Gilgamesh with reta/draw attacks still sounds like he'd generate more damage from reta counters than a Steal Powered thief type, unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 07, 2015, 03:29:32 PM
You have Gilgamesh's SSB weapon, right? Then, your assessment is correct. As I mentioned, it really depends on your effective loadout. I mostly see Steal Power setups on Bartz, who likely has the best stat, skillset and weapon arsenal for that kind of setup.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 07, 2015, 03:57:26 PM
I don't, just a generic 5* spear. As far as character specific SBs go, it's Mog, Aeris, and Seph, none of which are SSBs (though Aerith's might as well be one if it isn't)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 07, 2015, 05:07:31 PM
Aerith's Wizard Rod SB -is- a SSB! Regardless, Seph can't do Thief, neither can Gilgy, so yeah, Steal Power won't do that much to you. And the only PC who could run Steal Power + Retaliate shenanigans is um Loserface. You don't hand Loserface offensive setups and expect results.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 08, 2015, 04:10:34 AM
So my Balthier has 373 attack in the FF12 event.  Is that good?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 08, 2015, 11:04:46 AM
You're gonna trample the event in a hurry. Also, Ashe can use your Enhancer for mage purposes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 08, 2015, 11:39:09 AM
Did five pulls on the FF12 banner. 4 intentionally (got crappy armors, whoo.), and 1 because after I finally cleared Sanctuary Keeper, the game handed 20 giant weapon upgrade mats and I had no weapons to upgrade, so I did another pull and luckily got a (still pretty useless) 4* spear to waste some of those scarletites on.

I really wanted literally -any- of the 5-stars on this banner (especially Runeblade), so it seemed worth pulling. Oh well. Saving the rest for Terra or Cloud's banners.

Got Ashe and Vaan fairly quickly. I inexplicably like FF12 a lot, so I'm glad I have a chance to use these guys. It's odd that Vaan and Balthier are near-clones of eachother. It doesn't feel like that synergizes well. Only slightly different equipment sets functionally differentiate them. It makes sense from a Lore perspective, Vaan's goal in life is literally to become Balthier (he succeeds three games later!), but I would have appreciated a slightly more differentiated skillset. Thief skills look fun eventually, but the starting pair aren't anything to write home about, it seems.

Ashe has a clone of Vivi's default SB?! Damn, that could easily make her my second-best mage if I could get her Runeblade. I want my swordgirl mage dammit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 08, 2015, 12:41:12 PM
Second consecutive event where I'll use a character from. I mean, I might change my mind based on draws or whatever, but right now, I see no reason to not use Ashe over Maria, when I can break Ashe's level limit, and I can't Maria's. So as of now, party is:

Golbez/Josef/Ashe/Cloud/Auron

With Golbez as Supportbitch, Josef as a self-sustaining powerhouse, Ashe as all-purpose mage, Cloud as cloud, and Auron generally being my JRPG protagonist who is better by virtue of the game giving him better stuff.

I'm leveling up some scrubs for the event, too, since that seems much more efficient than wasting perfectly good EXP on characters that can't level from it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 08, 2015, 12:51:47 PM
Snow - Yeah, sounds like Theif will be a wash. Grinding up Fran now it seems.

Loooots of stuff changing today and tomorrow. First, likely in response to daily grinding feeling like a waste of time after the orb fest, a new class of dailies became available 30 stamina per fight, drops 4 star orbs frequently. I feel like this unlocked after wind thunder day just to spite me, but I feel that way about most things in this game.

New "Industrial Arts"/ "Engineer" class of abilities unlocking with the FF8 event tomorrow. That's neat. Some balance changes to Seifer, Quistis, and Zell and I couldn't care less.

Found the gimmick I hate most in this game-Sandworm and its whackamole bullshit. Timing your attacks is just stupid and not very fun. Blah. Oh well, at least it was just on a normal force dungeon and not for an event

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 08, 2015, 01:32:36 PM
Currently plowing through Vaan event's elite dungeons. Predictably, Danjuro and that 4++* Empyrean Rod make short work of everything (Vaan at L17 with Danjuro and Viking Coat is contributing about as much as L55 Auron, which admittedly says little on a team with two MT-centric mages and a priest). Cap-broke Ashe and I'm about halfway through the Elites.

Also, I'd like to ask you people to switch your RW to Seal Evil Aerith when the bonus battles land, since it'll spoil the hell out of the Ba'Gamnam ++ fight. All of them are vulnerable to Stop and inflicting the status on the head honcho's even a target score. I'll likely do the same.

EDIT: Holy shit, DeNa just added all the character balance changes up to the JP Fang/Lightning event. Huge buffs to Paladin Cecil (Bows, Support 3, WHITE MAGIC 4), Rydia (Mag up, BLACK MAGIC 5), Lightning (Celerity 4, spears, shields, helms), Snow (Def/Res up, helms, armor, shields, KNIGHT 5. About time, DeNa), some buffs to Kain (Celerity 3, swords, atk up) and DKC (Atk up). God, so glad I have the Blazefire Sabre now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 08, 2015, 01:52:30 PM
New "Industrial Arts"/ "Engineer" class of abilities unlocking with the FF8 event tomorrow. That's neat.

Called it. Edgar/Cid4 uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................................................... (Every other character I can think of... isn't in the core series. Granted, that hasn't stopped them from releasing Zack, so... speculation?)

Well, still. Called it.

EDIT
Sandworm counters with Gravity, Zenny. You can trivialize the "penalty" for missing him if you take a Yuna/Edward/someone else with fullparty Regen as a roaming warrior. (Also highly recommended against Diablos)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 08, 2015, 02:01:48 PM
New "Industrial Arts"/ "Engineer" class of abilities unlocking with the FF8 event tomorrow. That's neat.

Called it. Edgar/Cid4 uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................................................... (Every other character I can think of... isn't in the core series. Granted, that hasn't stopped them from releasing Zack, so... speculation?)

Well, still. Called it.

Datamining sez Edgar, Setzer, Cid, Rikku, Balthier and Sazh get Engineer 5. Barret and ZIDANE (wtf DeNa) get Engineer 4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 08, 2015, 02:04:07 PM
Ashe seems useful.

My friend just pulled kimahri's spear.

His pain is my pleasure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 08, 2015, 02:18:02 PM
Setzer makes complete sense. What about Cid7? Or was that who you meant by Cid? I assume Cid4 isn't even released yet. I forgot Rikku existed, despite her being my favorite character in one of my favorite FF games. o_O

Maybe the Zidane thing is... uh.... .....Maybe they're making a 7s based ability to give to Setzer and sticking it in Engineering? And making it four stars? Though, honestly, you could probably stick that into its own category or, better yet, just make it "Thief".
EDIT
Selphie should get the Engineering power. This is doubly true if there IS some kind of 7s thing, but even disregarding that as pure speculation, she's a techie. She pilots all of your vehicles, is on the intelligence/radio control team. She reprograms the missile base computer, reprograms and pilots the boss from the same part of the game. ....god damn it. What is it about Record Keeper that makes me defend Final Fantasy fucking EIGHT? AURRRRRGHGGHGHH.....

Speaking of abilities that need to exist/have powerups: My pocket theory about Dragoons and generally being useless is that eventually they'll release Freya and a bunch of actual Dragoon abilities which aren't ass. And it'll be to make everyone in the series stop and actually appreciate that, you know what? Freya actually was the only decent Dragoon that ever existed. Good on you, Rat Girl.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 08, 2015, 02:23:03 PM
Cid7 is an airship pilot, so are Sazh and Balthier. The only completely nonsensical-seeming inclusion there is Zidane, which I feel is just bone-tossing due to him being outshone at his Thief niche by almost every other Thief 5 PC. They also already have some Elemental Jump abilities in JP, I think it started with Fang and Edge events.

(Worth noting Freya's sprite has been in the database for a while, but who knows when they'll release her. AC Cloud and Adult Rydia sprites have been in the database for aeons as well and they only released the AC costume -last week-.)

Quote from: Mr. VSM
Frogs, bells, big cherries, Peter Pan, magic cheese, frogs, bells, big cherries, Peter Pan, magic cheese, SELPHIEROTH

I'd approve of anything that makes Selphie better, for all that she's already getting her MC2 and SSB weapon tomorrow.

Engineering, in practical terms, at least from the skills being released, will be pretty much improved Busters that also deal added damage to statused PCs. So, no slot reels mechanic. Setzer gets it due to being an airship pilot (and for getting a relevant distinction from Wakka).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 08, 2015, 02:35:04 PM
WHOA, that Cecil buff. I have to give serious consideration to stuffing HIM in my party now.

Hey! Hey guys! Lightning got buffed because she wasn't good enough!

I'm pretty sure that buff turns Snow instantly into the Best Monk.

And I know it's a little thing, but making Jump SBs hit Valvalis comforts that annoying itch in the same part of my brain that makes me defend FFVIII characters.

EDIT
The day just rolled over for me. Holy shit, I got 5,600 gil from my roaming warrior. Is this how you rich people feel? That's trivial gil, sure, but it's about 20 times better than anything I'd made before.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 08, 2015, 02:39:31 PM
Hey! Hey guys! Lightning got buffed because she wasn't good enough!

She... actually really wasn't, given current meta pre-buff. Not being able to equip helms and having both lower attack and defense than Squall (who is kinda squishy himself) kinda sucked for her, her overkill speed is nigh-irrelevant due to how FFRK ATB works, Black Magic and White Magic do pretty much nothing for her worth. She had worse equips and skillsets than both Squall and Cloud, so the buff does help levelling the field in her favor.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 08, 2015, 02:40:46 PM
Oh, so I actually pulled a 4 * item from the daily pulls today.

So.

Thats.

Something.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 08, 2015, 02:42:05 PM
Bitch, I would do a little dance if I pulled a 4 star for free right now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 08, 2015, 03:16:08 PM
Why did it take so long for me to get the character buff announcement notice? Weird.

But seriously hyped anyway. My Pal Cecil is going to be getting back into the party rotation a lot more now. Access to Shellga and Protectga on a tank (and Curaja might even give him what would be Curaga-level healing on a proper MND-based character) is godly. Support 3 means he can also be a Boost carrier if need be. Pretty much obsoletes Tidus now unless I need Tidus' MT damage SB or if the speed -really- matters...

Snow turning into a Knight/Monk combo is pretty interesting. Serious tanking ability, Taunt + Chakra could make for a self-sustaining two-man party for challenge runs or grinding up lower-level PCs. The option to give him heavy armor on top of his cool defensive RMs is nice. Still overall obsoleted by Pal Cecil since there's not a lot that Monk brings to the table apart from ID? But Black and Samurai (and Summon eventually) provide that too. I guess it's nice to have a solid Knight for FF13 synergy?

Lightning randomly can use Spears and heavy equipment now? ...uh.. Okay? Maybe that's a nod to Valkyrie Lightning from FF13-2? I'd be okay with that as an Alt Costume for her. Celerity 4 Dismissal spam is also a nice touch for her. Kind of turns her into a Balthier clone for me due to my equipment draw and current hone levels.

Rydia/Kain/DKC are somewhat less interesting to me, but it's amusing to see that they keep buffing Kain. Not sure why he warrants Celerity 3, but giving him Swords puts him back above Ricard, and as much as I disdain Kain, it was weird that given his popularity he was somehow a worse PC than the worst Dragoon in the series.

With all these updates, maybe they'll eventually give Irvine a Celerity 1 upgrade and VSM can finally sleep at night.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 08, 2015, 03:21:23 PM
Beat the Judges on Vaan's event. Only one Greater Lightning Orb away from R3 Dismissal right now! Oh, lookie, Vaan's Memory Crystal fight will hand me five of them.

So yeah, this event will be pretty great for my Celerity needs.

Also, they datamined dates for the next few events! 14th for Terra reissue, 18th for Orbfest (YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSS), 21st for Cloud's MC2, 29th for Hope (YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS) and November 4th for Celes reissue. Possible dungeon updates on the 10th and 25th, give and take a couple days.

EDIT:

Lightning randomly can use Spears and heavy equipment now? ...uh.. Okay? Maybe that's a nod to Valkyrie Lightning from FF13-2?

She can use spears on FF13-3.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 08, 2015, 04:21:37 PM
Hmm... theorizing strategies. A better use for Snow's Monk/Knight combo is Taunt + Chakra plus someone with Carbuncle. Effectively ST physical- and magic-proof but Snow can heal/buff himself due to Chakra ignoring Reflect. Falls apart to MT or NAT-typed abilities, but that's a pretty low ability slot requirement for shutting down like 80% of attacks in the game...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 08, 2015, 04:24:31 PM
Got up to the FFX + fight, myself.  Thinking I can't do it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 08, 2015, 04:33:30 PM
What's holding you back? Not enough Luneth RWs?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 08, 2015, 04:43:25 PM
Just spend a Mythril for ability refreshes in the worst case, Magic. That rush isn't anywhere near as bad as it looks.

Anyhow, Ghis down, R3 Dismissal get. This event's great.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 08, 2015, 04:45:09 PM
Mostly the fact that the fights are a Seymour boss rush, and the only reason I was able to get this far is Auron Retaliate strategies.

I still have nightmares about the Elite Macalania Temple fight in the story dungeons.

Been trying to run the following set-up:
Red - Magic Breakdown R1/Double Cut R3 with Lunatic High almost specifically for MT Haste
Yuna - Curaga R4/Shellga R1 while having the Evoker's Horn for a non-sucky SB and lugging around Y'shtola's Thyrus for the stats.  Concentrate 2 for RM.
Auron - Retaliate R3/Venom Buster R1 - Equipped with a 4*+ FF10 sword and the Self-Sacrifice RM.
Rinoa - Firaga R4/Dispel R1 - The Dispel being there specifically for the last fight.  Might even switch out the Firaga for a Diara/ga depending on how much I need the non-Retaliate offense.  Mana Spring 2 for RM, but that'll get changed if I decide I need the Holy Damage.
Kimahri - Boost R2/Silence Buster R1 with the Double Hit RM.  Can't actually think of what to replace him with that won't wind up just eventually doing the same thing (not to mention needing to egg them up to have non-fail durability).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 08, 2015, 04:53:34 PM
You -seriously- need to work on those hones, especially on the Busters. Magic Breakdown at R1 won't cut it either, just replace it with higher-hone Breaks instead, since only Flux is break-resistance and does mostly physicals. I'd replace Kimahri with Sazh and slap Faith on him to buff Rinoa's damage, but Firaga just isn't that good. So I dunno. I'll take a peek at some lower-end setups, too.

THAT SAID: you should totally be able to master the event with two Mythrils. I'd recommend that, in fact. With Advantaliate, I have roughly no doubt you'd pull it off.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 08, 2015, 06:59:43 PM
Also, I'd like to ask you people to switch your RW to Seal Evil Aerith when the bonus battles land, since it'll spoil the hell out of the Ba'Gamnam ++ fight. All of them are vulnerable to Stop and inflicting the status on the head honcho's even a target score. I'll likely do the same.

Or just summon my Balthier RW for that fight.  Should be two shots of 9999x4.  That alone is half the hp gone from 3 of the 4 enemies.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 08, 2015, 07:13:02 PM
The only problem there is the offense in the interim. I can shave off that damage pretty well with my setups just fine, but it's a fight with four enemies at 100+ difficulty, in which at least half of them have non-trivial MT. Regardless, yeah, Tides of Fate is a good choice if you don't have as much MT, since that x2 alone shaves almost half of the ENTIRE FIGHT's HP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 09, 2015, 04:27:26 AM
FFRK.

FF10 ++ Battle.  I can't finish it, even with Adventaliate.  Got one dead and the other to 5% before my party got wiped out in my furthest run.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 09, 2015, 05:49:43 AM
VSM: Yes, I am perfectly aware of what happens when you hit the holes and how to mitigate it. However, I was using a kinda gimp party, and not hitting the holes was one of the medal reqs. I maybe SL'd three times after almost beating him because of mistiming attacks. Obnoxious.

Also, man you guys are getting the orb fest quick. I thought JP was several months ahead of GB for some reason.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 09, 2015, 05:56:21 AM
@Zenny, you're still months ahead in 90% of stuff, we just get a few random quality of life things.  We get a lot more orbs from events than Japan does notably.

@Magic, How much damage mitigation are you using?  Sentinel Grimoire/Stoneskin RW helps immensely with their aoes.  Slowing Yenke and Berserking Biran cuts down their damage output dramatically also.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 09, 2015, 07:06:36 AM
@Zenny, you're still months ahead in 90% of stuff, we just get a few random quality of life things.  We get a lot more orbs from events than Japan does notably.

@Magic, How much damage mitigation are you using?  Sentinel Grimoire/Stoneskin RW helps immensely with their aoes.  Slowing Yenke and Berserking Biran cuts down their damage output dramatically also.

Winning run had Shellga on Yuna, Berserk from Rinoa, and Slow from Red.  Killing Yenke first also helped, since Biran Berserking himself is more beneficial to me than deadly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 09, 2015, 11:09:41 AM
Welp, Mythril from Heaven dropped down with the FF8 event, so did my 11 pull on Cloud's BSSB banner, and got... a 5* Bangle and Zack's 5* Glove. Sick. Zach does have 5* Celerity so that's definitely viable, no MC2 and only 3* support though so I don't know how much I care. That ranged MT turn cancel SB could definitely have some use in EX fights though. Additionally, the FF8 event is featuring Selphie's MC2, because hey what I need is more white mages. I am not even sure if I'm being sarcastic or not there.  So hey it looks like Zack, Fran, and Selphie are on the levelling team this Sunday.

BTW, is it safe to assume that since this is Laguna's event that he will be the character I need to keep alive for medals in the EX fights?

EDIT: Oh I just realized with the Deep Dungeon I should actually start farming that area out so I can craft flare and... actually have charges for it thanks to Orb transformation.

Incidentally, I have enough 5* orbs to craft Bahamut!!!!!!111

god i could not care less
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 11:14:27 AM
Also, man you guys are getting the orb fest quick. I thought JP was several months ahead of GB for some reason.

We're getting the first orbfest. You guys in JP just went through the second orbfest, which has higher rates in general.

Anyhow, cleared Vaan's event. The Demon Wall fights are funny in that they hardly ask for damage mitigation, but you want STATUS mitigation kinda bad, so I ran two WMs (also useful for slamming both Slowga and Diaga without much tapdancing. Setup was Vaan (Mental Breakdown/Dismissal), Ashe (Quake/Waterja), Rydia (Firaja/Alexander), Y'shtola (Diaga/Esuna, also a Rose Corsage for Silence resistance), Arc (Curaga/Slowga). Went pretty well, full mastery without a fuss.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 11:17:53 AM
BTW, is it safe to assume that since this is Laguna's event that he will be the character I need to keep alive for medals in the EX fights?

Often, but not always true. Check the medal conditions beforehand. Due to the "often" part, however, it rarely hurts to have the featured characters properly levelled anyway.

EDIT: This is also a fairly useful resource: http://ffrk.kongbakpao.com/events/

That site has all the past and current events for JP and Global, being updated very often. It's a better resource for us than to you, since datamining for current events is kinda sketchy and the guy updates as the events go live, but it's helpful anyway. For us in Global, this is -ridiculously- useful for planning setups, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 09, 2015, 12:42:43 PM
Still useful, at least. I've been using the JP site and it is pretty useful but sometimes I err on the side of laziness because reading Japanese is still an enormous pain in the ass (I am pretty sure I chose to keep studying this language because I enjoy languishing in futility). That said the JP version has users posting what setups they used so that's still more useful when planning fights, but either way.

Also, Shadow Creepers. That makes way more sense. I was thinking they were trying to call them Shadow Clippers. As per my MO, though, I like my name better though so will continue to use that.

Mostly posting this now because I'm planning things, writing things out helps, and I won't have the timebux to try it for another two hours. Think I'll be able to beat him regardless, but the mastery nets me 6 5* Fire orbs and 1 6* Black orb so want.

I need to off Bahamut before he uses Gigaflare and Petaflare twice each. If I deal enough damage in 3 turns the spells don't actually go off, so... does this mean successfully casting GF/PF, or just activating the charging phases? Unclear. I'll probably have to do this fight a second time for the mastery anyway after scouting out how much damage I do/take so I'll play around with this. He starts using Petaflare at low HP apparently, so worst case scenario I have to get him to low HP before his second Gigaflare use, and then kill him before his second Petaflare use. Complicating this, I need to off 8 shadow creepers for the mastery. They're weak to fire, and the event just handed me a MT Fire samurai skill (hereby referred to as "Flaming Weeaboo" because I cannot read the kanji), so that's in... Not sure how much HP they have, so maybe hone Quake to R3 (not enough wind orbs for Valefor to R3, which is the other, worse option) and have Faith on one of my WMs.

Bahamut also defends against breaks, so maybe sub out Gilgy for Faris (and throw her some eggs so she's at least L65)
In light of that, I suppose I'll go...

Seph (R5Reta, R3Flaming Weeabo)
Terra (R5Cheer, R3Quake) + Dualcast RM
Yuna (R2Shellga, R5Curaga)
Aerith (R2Protectga, R3Faith)
Faris (R5Tempo Furry, R2Armor Breakdown)

and basically holding off on going into the actual fight until I roll a Sentinel Grimiore / Stoneskin RW. Less optimal, but Lunatic High/Good Time would let me swap out Protectga/Shellga respectively for Strongwater (WM phys buff), making reta better.

Depending on how the fight goes, on my mastery attempt if I'm having trouble killing Bahamut quickly enough I could swap Terra for Gilgy and have him have Double Hit, and then use Strongwater instead of Faith, and then keep rolling until I get either Lunatic High or Good Time, Swap out the respective skill for Valefore, then try to blitz them down. Gilgamesh has an MT SB with the Partisan at least, so that will maybe make up for losing 4 total spell charges in the Quake-Valefor change.

If I'm having trouble getting the 8 Shadow Clippers, hone Faith again, roll until I get LH/GT, swap out the respective buff for Valefor.

If I'm having trouble beating the fight at all... well, see what's going horribly wrong and plan from there.

K that's the game plan. I'll see how this shit goes down.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 09, 2015, 12:55:25 PM
Also, Shadow Creepers. That makes way more sense. I was thinking they were trying to call them Shadow Clippers. As per my MO, though, I like my name better though so will continue to use that.

Zenny is the reason we have Y Burn.


Quote
Seph (R5Reta, R3Flaming Weeabo)
Terra (R5Cheer, R3Quake) + Dualcast RM
Yuna (R2Shellga, R5Curaga)
Aerith (R2Protectga, R3Faith)
Faris (R5Tempo Furry, R2Armor Breakdown)

What is Quake doing for you in this setup? Killing Shadow Creepers? I'm not sure what you mean by 'I need to kill 8 Shadow Creepers for mastery'? Are they some kind of respawning mob during the Bahamut fight? The leadup trash mobs? Also, Flaming Weeaboo and Tempo Furry sound like good friends.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 09, 2015, 01:14:04 PM
Shadow Clippers are 2 additional enemies alongside Bahamut SIN. After you kill them once, they respawn on a timer. They also apparently inflict status (what status? The game didn't say. Fuckers) so downing them ASAP seems like a better policy than having Esuna take up a slot ATM*, and 6 slightly weaker MT shots sounds better than 8 ST almost-guaranteed-9999s. I need to kill a total of 8 of these to get medals.

*If I'm wrong about this, swapping Quake for Strongwater and putting Esuna on one of the WMs seems like a good deal.

EDIT: Motherfucker Ted Woolsey ain't got nothing on me
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 09, 2015, 01:23:35 PM
Putting this here so I can find it.

http://imgur.com/gvJNZ4U
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 09, 2015, 01:43:08 PM
Oh Dang Neph can you put that in the top post?

EDIT Note to self, Ultima is the same cost As Flare, just one Orb Tier up (so 10x more orbs required)

EDIT2 Bahamut notes:

Still S/Ling, but the results of this foray are looking grim. Things I've ascertained so far...

1. I neglected to give Aeris something useful to do that also builds SB. This was the fatal flaw that lead to this try being untenable, above all else.
2. Armor breakdown, by virtue of being single target here, is not worth the ability slot.
3. Quake was a mistake. Even buffed, it is dealing less than 5000 damage, and that's roughly EDIT: 10% of the Shadow Clippers' HP. It is taking up two ability slots (Q+Faith) and is not at all worth it. Dualcast would have to proc waaaay more than it does to be worth it.
4. One person on Curaga duty isn't enough even with stacking damage mitigation with the current setup.

In lieu of all this, I think next time I'll swap Terra out for Gilgamesh, and go

Seph (Reta, Reta)
Gilgy (Double Hit, Flaming Weeaboo)
Faris (Cheer, Fox Only Final Destination Delay)
Yuna (Shellga, R4Curaga)
Aeris (Protectga, R5Curaga)

Other things of note: most of the damage in this fight is physical, so Taunt+Reta on Gilgy (and moving FWeeaboo back to Seph) is an option for damage mitigation, and would potentially free up my Protectga slot for Diaga. Actually, come to think of it, with Aerith's rod that may end up being more damage in the long run, plus more SB building.

Gotta say, thinking about this fight, and even the fights before it (though obsessing about those did not matter)... my opinion of this game has changed drastically since I first got addicted to it. There's, like, actual DECISIONS to be made and plans to be planinated. I do wish it preyed less on the addictive personality mindset (and, having 110 timebux helps, since that's over 5.5 hours of free time before you have to spend if you're falling for that trap like, well, me), but when you actually get to the big boy part of the game it's actually pretty good.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 02:38:58 PM
Quote from: Zenny
Gotta say, thinking about this fight, and even the fights before it (though obsessing about those did not matter)... my opinion of this game has changed drastically since I first got addicted to it. There's, like, actual DECISIONS to be made and plans to be planinated. I do wish it preyed less on the addictive personality mindset, but when you actually get to the big boy part of the game it's actually pretty good.

THIS is pretty much why I stick to the game. It has an interesting metagame and it's very clear DeNa pays attention to gameplay and varied battle design. It's a very solid gameplay-driven RPG experience under the insidious F2P skinner box bullshit.

Also, regarding Bahamut SIN, you could use Retaliate+Draw Fire on Gilgy and hand him Seph's katana to mitigate the Shadow Creepers to a degree, no?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 09, 2015, 03:06:55 PM
Definitely an option! I do think, though, that since Weeaboo Flame is a guaranteed 9999 to both of them that giving that up may be a mistake, especially since keeping Seph on the team would give me the occasional 9999 Hell's Gate. That said, doing so would let me get Cheer/Waterja Terra back on the field and put A.Breakdown back on Faris, but I dunno if that's worth giving up Flaming Weeaboo. I thiiiiink that makes the Seph-Gilgy-Faris strat slightly better, but we'll see.

In any case, first run was a wash and I've now just given up on S/Ling that. Trying these strats will have to wait til tomorrow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 09, 2015, 03:10:16 PM
Yeah, I think your Tauntaliate strategy is the best option given what you've said. I'd also toss Josef's Record Materia 2 on one of the healers for more retaliate hits.

Out of curiosity, what are you using for your Roaming Warrior? If you think you can do without Sentinel's Grimoire, you should totally just go full Advantauntaliate and find a Luneth with Advance for Gilgamesh. That's almost always better damage in the long run if you have to clear everything in a mere 3 turns.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 03:12:12 PM
Flaming Weeaboo could be Gilg's second skill depending on your hones, no? A single R5 Reta lasts you literally through anything. What kinda sucks on your setup is not having an attack buff to stack with Boost (and those are uh SBs that buff two stats at once and you can't give up SG. I've seen vids on that fight and that's WAY too much offense), but that's a problem with physical setups in general. Also, you may want to use Water of Strength instead, since it boosts ATK by more than Boost.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 09, 2015, 03:21:21 PM
Since you're using Faris anyway, you could try the Def-down Dance ability to help kill off the mobs. It's only Def-30% instead of Armor Breakdown's -40%, but it's MT. (And you can throw the Josef RM2 on her instead to let her contribute to Reta-Meta as both Cheerleader and double-hitter.)

Does B.SIN have Break resistance? Does Break Resistance apply to Dances? Anyone know? Dances aren't in Global yet, so...

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: DJ
Does B.SIN have Break resistance? Does Break Resistance apply to Dances? Anyone know? Dances aren't in Global yet, so...

Yes and yes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 09, 2015, 03:48:40 PM
No Josef materia, so no on that.

The main reason for using Gilgy over Seph would be Reta+Draw Attack, because I really really need that damage mitigation, so no I can't put FWeeb on him.

Nobody uses Luneth's SB as a RW on JP, like, at all. I've only ever actually heard about it from your guys' posts. And regardless, I definitely think damage mitigation is the way to go for this fight as far as RWs go. Even going Lunatic High over Grimiore sounds risky since in my opinion Taunt doesn't draw 100% of all attacks, and even with Shell+Grim Megaflare was an MT 1.8-1.9HKO. The buff from haste and extra skill slot may well make up for that though.

Good to know about Strongwater. May be more worthwhile than Waterja if I keep Terra in for sure, and may actually be better than having a slot for Diaga if I ditch terra and go Seph+Gilgy. The debuff dance is actually a potentially good idea, because while SBaha has break resist, I'm pretty sure the Clippers don't.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 09, 2015, 03:54:37 PM
Nobody uses Luneth's SB as a RW on JP

this sentence made sense to you all

now go fucking re-evaluate your lives
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 04:37:21 PM
Nobody uses Luneth's SB as a RW on JP, like, at all. I've only ever actually heard about it from your guys' posts.

Part of it is because JP took A LOT longer to both patch away the Vit-0 exploit, which made your own ATK nigh-irrelevant, and to have the ATK soft caps upped, which overemphasized mage meta to a huge degree. Over here, not only Vit-0 got patched out early, but they added the first ATK soft cap adjustment along with it. Additionally, we also already have the second soft cap tweak (and that's been a while ago). Setting up Advantaliate is a lot easier in a pre-power creep stage as a rule of thumb. I think Advantaliate will start waning in use as a strategy as soon as the Misfortune fights become commonplace, to boot. By the way, Reta catches all -physical-typed- physicals. There are physical attacks that are NAT-typed, so they go through it (example: boss Beatrix's Shock, Jenova BIRTH's lasers). I'd be frankly shocked it Bahamut SIN didn't have at least -one- attack like that.

Nobody uses Luneth's SB as a RW on JP

this sentence made sense to you all

now go fucking re-evaluate your lives

what have we done
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 09, 2015, 06:49:57 PM
DeNa is slowly phasing out Advantaliate as a viable strategy anyway.  I'm loving the crying posts on Reddit about Sanctuary Keeper.  Advance lowers your defense, which normally isn't a problem when you're using Retaliate - but most of Sanctuary Keeper's physicals ignore Retaliate.

I've used Retaliate strategies very sparingly so far, so I'm not addicted to them like many are.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 06:59:19 PM
Reta-meta as of now isn't even optimal for a lot of content it used to mulch. 90+ difficulty dungeons don't fear Boost+Reta anymore, a lot of randoms don't even get 2HKOed by basic physicals even boosted unless you're running realm synergy off -at least- 4+* equips. The only thing keeping Retaliate relevant is Advantaliate, and that's a pain in the ass to set up due to the primitive friend system. I mostly shrugged off Retaliate shenanigans as soon as trash mobs stopped being 2HKOed by Boost'd basic physicals and I have absolutely no regrets. It's not like I'm neglecting physicals entirely anyway (I'm honing both Pound and Dismissal, have a full bevy of R5 -ra Strikes etc), but magic just soars ahead for straight-up offense at this point. We're already reaching the point where a physical party requires more and better equipment than a mage setup just because of the disparity in mults.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 09, 2015, 07:24:08 PM
As someone who is rocking all kinds of physical (and exactly 1 magical) 5-star relics... Boost Reta-Meta is still just fine for mastering basically everything since they made the mastery requirements less restrictive. Without having to clear each fight in 1.5 rounds, it's also a lot less stressful than hoping that my spell hones don't run out because I was forced to bring 2-use summons and quake or else risk having to run the whole dungeon again due to one lost action medal on trash. *grrrrrrr* >:( The Darkest of Times.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 09, 2015, 07:36:41 PM
I am going to agree: Advantaliate strategies are still viable, they just require quite a bit of set-up.

For example, my Championed run against Sanctuary Keeper:

Wakka L49 - Magic Breakdown R1/Tempo Flurry R5
Yuna L51 - Curaga R3/Shellga R1 - Light of the Fayth
Auron L50 - Armor Break R2/Retaliate R4 - Self-Sacrifice
Rinoa L60 - Venom Buster R1/Reflect R2 - Double Hit
Y'shtola L54 - Curaga R1/Protega R1 - Cultured Conjurer
RW: Luneth - Advance

Granted, I had to follow a very specific order of actions with Auron, and if I couldn't poison SK in the two shots of Venom Buster that I had, it was a S/L.  Granted, I don't have the skills for a proper mage reta, so I wound up losing three of the 18 medals - two for damage taken, one for actions taken.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 09, 2015, 07:42:30 PM
I use neither Mage meta nor RetaMeta.

I'm a bit behind everyone here, my highest dude is level... uh... 54? and I just crafted my very first four star ability.

I get by with 4 physical fighters and 1 mage. I think the only reason I can challenge 80+ dungeons (...and yet sometimes I struggle on like, 60ish....) is because of taking advantage of every status I can get my hands on. Between religiously checking the docs to see what I can throw at what bosses and pretty much all of my RW summons being monster defense ones (or deprotega), I can consistently grind just about anything down in a brutal slugfest. I have a high level Chakra on Josef and a high level Drain Blade on Cloud, so I have two self-sufficient fighters, which takes a lot of stress off of my sole mage.

Now that I have Auron's weapon, I give serious thought to berserking anything I can. I can probably outlast all but the really elite bosses right now, but I can definitely outlast anything that's pure physical.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 08:06:22 PM
As someone who is rocking all kinds of physical (and exactly 1 magical) 5-star relics... Boost Reta-Meta is still just fine for mastering basically everything since they made the mastery requirements less restrictive.

Yeah, the less restrictive part really does help. I stopped using Retaliate against trash mobs at a time when they still had 2.5 actions per wave as a threshold and I had just enough hones on summons and both Spring RMs to last me through all waves and just stuck with it. Mage parties are just so good at clearing trash I kept it that way even past the scoring tweaks. Weirdly, I use Retaliate most often when I need both physical and magical damage against certain -bosses-, like the DU10 Edea fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 09, 2015, 08:08:22 PM
Just noticed Garuda is range-only. Don't think I can swing that, although I have 4 or 5 leveled up black mages of different flavors.
Any idea what its HP is? I actually might stand a chance by maging the hell out of it and summoning Cap'n's Balthier a few times.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 08:15:11 PM
EDIT: You mean FFXII Garuda. I don't think that'll work, even if Tides of Fate hit for 9999, that's likely less than 20% of its HP even on Classic. I'd just buckle up and hone Dark and Drain, the weakness REALLY stings on him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 09, 2015, 08:38:29 PM
Dunno what I'll do about Garuda, but thanks to my buddy's based Fran, I managed to eek my way past the 95 Demon Wall.

EDIT
That fight gave me the orbs I need to craft Quake AND Dismissal. Nice. This is very nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 08:50:04 PM
Oooooh, Fran's unique SB is also ranged. The added damage from breakdowns may help! Also, you could equip a Celerity PC with Knife Toss for ranged physical damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 09, 2015, 08:54:43 PM
I could stick my Hayate's bow on Thancred.

Roll Thancred/Luneth/Ashe/Rinoa/Rydia (maybe Golbez)

Thancred spams all the Tempo Flurries I got. Luneth equips my "5" star FFXII Hammer and tosses knives, getting synergy bonus from the hammer, somehow. Ashe/Rinoa/othermage blast it with spells.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2015, 09:02:19 PM
Give it a try. If it works, the rewards are worth it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 09, 2015, 10:37:43 PM
Garuda doesn't have much hp compared to the other bosses.  As I recall don't you have Refia leveled?  Could always run chi blast on her.  I't s not great damage but it's easy to hone.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magetastica on October 10, 2015, 03:35:09 AM
If you're running the slugfest strat, VSM, then I'd suggest prioritizing a healer over a mage. Damage mitigation+healing is super duper uber useful in slugfesting. I only suggest this because that's what I was rocking until I decided to toss a 1-pull bone to the FF12 gods and got Ashe's SB weapon.

Currently my team is

Zack  Lvl 61 - A. Break (8 charges)/Dismissal (4 charges)
Thancred Lvl 53 - Rallying Etude (6 charges)/Tempo Flurry (4 charges)
Ashe Lvl 32 - Quake (4 charges)/Waterja (4 charges)
P. Cecil Lvl 50 - Draw Fire (6 charges)/Shellga (2 charges)
Aeris Lvl 54 - Curaga (8 charges)/Diaga (4 charges)

General plan is to bruteforce my way through trash mobs (and eventually get Ashe the Spring materia to quakespam) and then, thanks to the gods deciding I must use physical setups forever, I unload on bosses with Damage Mitigation -> Rallying Etude -> Planet Protector -> Armor Break -> Dancing Edge -> Rush Assault. This tends to drain things of most of their HP, and then I just spam Dismissal/Waterja/Tempo Flurry until the thing is dead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on October 10, 2015, 03:53:04 AM
Garuda has only single target attacks, so Draw Fire + Retaliate + a ranged weapon makes him kill himself, since he hastes himself.

Drain is dark-elemental, so keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 10, 2015, 04:42:10 AM
Try 2. Less tired and drunk I realize that both Gilgy and Seph don't need to retaliate and Seph can use double hit just fine. Incidentally, for Gilgamesh, Zach's glove is an equally good option as Seph's katana, go fig (I could still give him the Katana then put Seph's Katana Strength up RM on him but meh I don't have a good secondary weapon for Seph and I'd like to make sure flaming weeb hits 9999).  Setup is

Faris (Box Polka[def down song], Tempting the Furry)
Seph (Flaming Weeb, Double Hit)
Gilgy (COME AT ME BRO)
Yuna (Shellga, Curaga)
Aeris (Strongwater, Curaga)

Gilgy come at me bro strats tear shit up for the most part, but unfortunately I neglected to realize that Baha's adds have MT physicals as well, and SG wears off too quickly to not have Protectga.  Watching videos of people doing this fight I have no idea how they aren't just constantly healing.  Also, I was incorrect - Shadow Creepers do defend against defense dropping, so the dance was a bad idea. The minor tweaks for next time are obvious, at least. Another issue I'm seeing is that since I don't have any way of targetting my attacks, Gilgy spends a lot of turns chewing through the adds instead of whittling down Bahamut, which in itself isn't that bad since it seems Giga/Petaflare are on HP triggers, but is obnoxious nonetheless. In light of this, definitely considering swapping out Double Hit for Indoor Spell on Seph, so he can build up Hells Gates since his damage isn't that far off of Gilgamesh's.

EDIT: Still S/Ling this try. Attacking Bahamut once before engaging the adds ensures Reta counters go to Bahamut. Consider not engaging the adds until the first Gigaflare charge, then using the splash damage from the cancellation + Flaming Weeaboo to take them down in a couple rounds. Doing this had the first wave die when Bahamut was just a little over 25% HP, so that will probably be the smoothest way of getting the 8 kills I need.

EDIT2: Ugh. Yikes. That is a lot of damage. I'll try one more time today but I have a feeling I'm going to need to spend Mythril to actually beat this.

EDIT3: After watching the video on the site Snow linked that beat the fight without SSBs, I realize one thing to try is swapping out Yuna for Mog. Apparently in addition to Regen, his Holy Lance SB adds DEF up and will help mitigate after I'm out of SG charges. I'll try this and give up for the day if it doesn't work, and revisit it tomorrow. I'm also really close to unlocking Luneth's MC1, and with some luck I can probably get his auto-haste RM before my attempts tomorrow.

EDIT4: Well, no SG charges, but someone with Aerith's SSB, and more of that is never bad. Let's do this.

E5: Nope, no go.

Things to consider:

DEFINITELY need Grimiore or Stone Skin. Be patient next time.
Come At Me Bro is nice, but with all the MT flying around I'm still healing like a Mofo all the time. Additionally, potentially unnecessary with regards to physical mitigation if I have Mog's SB up in addition to Protectga.
Tempo Flurry is 10 charges of 6000-7000 damage that I can't aim and requires Gilgamesh to be in Reta. This is usually fine, but if Flare kills it knocks Gilga out of Reta and then I can't do shit. Additionally, Waterja SHOULD be about the same damage unbuffed, and Terra can use Strongwater and has more durability here.

Considering, just to not blow more stamina than necessary, the following Setup:

Terra (Waterja, Thundaja... perhaps R1Meteo, if I can somehow scrounge up the Major Black orbs for it)
Yuna (Valefor, Shellga)
Seph (FWeeb, Indoor Spell)
Mog (Protectga, Curaga)
Aeris (Diaga, Curaga)

and then just blowing mythril on restarting the fight when I lose. Eventually I'm bound to get enough spell charges to make Valefor and Thundaga/Meteo Viable options, or enough defensive stats that they don't need to be. I guess my overall dilemma with that is, are the rewards worth spending 5-10 mythril on? The answer would be yes.

I could also blow mythril with my current setup, but I'm not sure if that'd be more or less expensive. It would certainly make landing on +Ability Charges useless, since running out of charges is not my issue here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 10, 2015, 03:09:49 PM
Did some record materia 2 grinding during the downtime.  Got WoL, Luneth, Pecil, Irvine, Fran, Bard.  Last 4 were in the space of about 10 minutes.  Fabul castle so good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 10, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Currently just farming orbs. Yesterday, I picked up enough Greater Dark Orbs to hone Bioga to R3, but I'm saving those for Ruinga. If I pick up two more Greater Holy Orbs and eight more Greater Black Orbs before the end of the month' I can hone Ruinga straight to R3. Also seems likely we'll have our next dungeon update tomorrow night. Completing that -and- Terra's reissue before the 18th will be my top priorities.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 10, 2015, 06:33:13 PM
I could stick my Hayate's bow on Thancred.

Roll Thancred/Luneth/Ashe/Rinoa/Rydia (maybe Golbez)

Thancred spams all the Tempo Flurries I got. Luneth equips my "5" star FFXII Hammer and tosses knives, getting synergy bonus from the hammer, somehow. Ashe/Rinoa/othermage blast it with spells.

Plan worked to perfection.

This is the first time I've cleared all the stages of an event. NOW FOR THE BOSS RUSH*

*I am not actually going to attempt the boss rush
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 10, 2015, 11:11:05 PM
I'd give it a try. If you can clear all the stages of an event, you almost certainly can beat a boss rush spending a Mythril, and the rewards are always worth it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 11, 2015, 02:32:05 AM
Yeah, this is a pretty short boss rush too. All of the bosses have decreased health and damage due to being part of the rush, so conceivably if you have the Mythril, you can heal on each one of them and go at them in better shape than when you originally faced them and at their decreased stats.

---

Unlike Snow and Cap, I haven't managed to fully clear all of the Elite dungeons yet, so I have plenty of things to keep me busy. I've mostly been holding off on them for weekends when I can devote time to actually planning stamina shard refreshes for maximum efficiency. Especially since so many of the Elites I have left are in the 100-stamina range.

Going out of order, so most of the rewards left are non-essential apart from the Stamina shards themselves. I have a bunch of FF5 dungeons left, but I'm considering waiting until I have some FF5 characters to level up there to do them. Especially since one of them is Archeoaevis (sp?) and that fight was a goddamn nightmare on Classic, so I -know- the Elite version is going to be rage-inducing. A single Major Fire Orb and a stamina shard isn't worth that.

Hmm... posting a 'to do' list here for quick reference for myself since the game's UI is bad at telling me what I have left to do:

FFI: Tiamat (86 stam)
FFII: Roundworm (56 stam)
FFIV: Four Fiends Rush* (76 stam)
FFV: Sandworm* (58), Cray Claw* (77), Adamantoise* (61), Archeoaevis* (81), Purobolos* (61)
FFVII: Mako Reactor I* (13 stam, I'm saving it for an emergency stamina refresh!)
FFVIII: Edea/Seifer (81)
FFX: Seymour1 (73), Seymour Natus (61) ...fuck this.

Asterisks indicate a Stamina Shard.

There's a whole stamina point in FF5 dungeons alone... >.>;;

Hmm... which one should I do next?
Sandworm, Aevis, and the Seymours are suck. The Four Fiends rush isn't particularly hard-looking, but requires fully thinking out the perfect party setup... I guess I should finish up FF2 and FF8 first?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 11, 2015, 03:07:30 AM
So this is where I was going to make my bragging post about already being done with the FF12 bonus battles, but it turns out +++ boss is actually hard.

Boss rush:  Didn't lose a single medal.  Demon Wall Far got slowed on the first attack and only got off two attacks before dying.

Fantastic Four:  Lost two medals to damage.  Their unmitigated Jumps were hitting 2400 right off the bat before I got my buffs up.  After that Quake and Yukikaze and one Balthier SB smashed them nicely.

Ifrit cosplayer:  Damn every single attack this guy has is MT.  You will need two white mages, one with Protectga and one with Shellga.  Probably Curaga on both.  I'll probably have to craft Waterga so I have enough offense to kill him, R4 Waterja ran out of charges too quickly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 11, 2015, 03:50:31 AM
I missed mastery on Belias as well. My main issue was trying to juggle offense and Curaga on Ashe (foolishly gave Slowga and Protectga to Arc), ended up losing mastery due to Rinoa dying when he was under 10% HP. I think I might replace Sazh with a Protectga/Shellga mage and hand Ashe Boost, but we'll see. I wish I could spare a slot for Dispel.

EDIT: Okay, Belias mastered. Winning setup:

Lightning (L65, Danjuro/Adamant Bangle/Ruby Ring, Self-Sacrifice): R5 Tempo Flurry, R3 Dismissal
Arc (L59, Judgment Rod/Monk Robe/Corsage Ring, Zeal): R3 Dispel, R5 Curaga
Ashe (L51, Empyrean Rod ++/Gold Hairpin/Magic Armlet, Vow of Vengeance): R4 Waterja, R4 Faith
Rinoa (L65, Oak Staff/Evoker's Horn/Pearl Rouge, Devotion): R5 Waterga, R5 Comet
Sazh (L59, Running Fire/Viking Coat/Hyper Wrist, Sky Pirate's Pride): R2 Power Breakdown, R3 Magic Breakdown

Roaming Warrior: Sentinel's Grimoire

I decided to forgo Protect/Shell along with Slowga and just hope Tempo Flurry procced Slow. First run, the fight was about to get out of control and Slow hadn't procced even once, so I S/L'd. Second run went smoothly: Slow procced twice and Belias wasted some turns with Great Barrier refreshing, so things worked out. The maxed Waterga was -really- important: I ran out of charges on both Waterja and Waterga by the time the fight ended, and the finishing blow was actually from Comet. Still, it's a controllable fight and it doesn't heavily rely on the first turn either, since Belias is very predictable: all his offense is MT and his magic is both rare and not all that stronger than his physical. Done with this event, which means I can devote all my time tomorrow to L50ing Ricard and Tellah. Maybe I'll slot in Ashe and Vaan as well.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 11, 2015, 01:51:33 PM
Tried another time with the last setup listed, ewww Valefor and Mageterra were bad ideas. <5k damage. Diaga on Aeris was a good move, though, since that hit 8k without buffing. Not blowing mythril on this setup.

I realize that I can craft R1 Magic Breakdown, and part of what was getting me before was his MT magic. Gonna go back to Come At Me Bro strats, I guess, and put Terra back in with Water of Strong and Magic Breakdown then chew through mythril like a madman. Motivating for continuing to do the fight is waning though and I may just give up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 11, 2015, 03:59:54 PM
Sundailyways, here we come. Cap-broke Tellah, currently running a four-character party for purposes of levelling up Ricard.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 11, 2015, 04:50:20 PM
Mastered Belial.  Went very smoothly, although I was really lucky with Tempo Flurry and Dismissal.  Dismissal procced 3 times, which is crazy good.

Selphie (R5 Curaga, R2 Shellga)
Balthier (R5 Tempo Flurry, R4 Dismissal)
Vivi (R4 Waterja, R2 Waterga)
Garnet (R2 Dispel, R2 Protectga)
Sephiroth (R3 Power Break, R4 Magic Break)

Crafted Flare as my reward.  141/144 quests done.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 11, 2015, 06:47:34 PM
Sundailyways, here we come. Cap-broke Tellah, currently running a four-character party for purposes of levelling up Ricard.

??? Why only 4 characters?

Anyway, I'm done trying with Bahamut Sin. It's just not happening, even after blowing 5 mythril. The bonuses for spending mythril helped but god he just has too much offense and the second I have to start playing catchup on healing is the point where I've lost the battle. I guess it's possible that I could win if I spent the rest of my mythril but tbh I'm getting bored. Honestly, if I just had R1 Meteo or Full Break I think this would be very doable with mythril spending but as of now it is a no go.  Oh well, maybe the drops in the Ultima dungeon will give me enough Crystals to convert into Major orbs so that I can get Meteo/Flare/Etc.

Come At Me Bro is great if you're a peasant but I need to get rich because it just doesn't cut it in this high powered fast paced world of 80's Business Bahamut. Need to mage meta harder. On a related note, it is Fire/Earth day. Tomorrow is Black Power Day. Wednesday is Earth Thunder and Lightning day. It's nice that I have plans for the next few days.

I think mythril from here on out is getting saved until a banner comes along with a Stoneskin/Sentinel Grimoire type SB. Perhaps B.Sin is coloring my opinion of the final event bosses, but methinks I'm gonna need that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 11, 2015, 07:54:26 PM
Sundailyways, here we come. Cap-broke Tellah, currently running a four-character party for purposes of levelling up Ricard.

??? Why only 4 characters?

XP focuses and I want to get Ricard to L50 before the dungeon update sweeps in.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 12, 2015, 02:23:37 AM
Dungeon update fired. My Ricard is not Level 50 yet.

But luckily he has a delicious healthy breakfast coming his way.

Dungeon update also gave us Bard and Dancer skills! Yay! I love Bard and Dancer skills!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 12, 2015, 03:24:24 AM
Dungeon update is out, crafted all the new abilities and honed Mana's Paean to R3. Currently maiming FF5 content.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 12, 2015, 03:42:08 AM
Beat VeliusBelias. Relying on a shared SB for Protectga was probably not the best idea in hindsight, but I made it work after 2 S/Ls. Cloud did only 4K damage with Water Strike before Planet Protector despite a 3*++ FF12 Sword and 5* bracer, but Ashe hit for over 7K with Waterga and Vivi for 9999 with Waterja/post-Focus Magic Waterga so I was ok on the damage front.

With Mana's Paean out now, I am definately planning to shift more and more over to mage-heavy teams over time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 12, 2015, 04:38:53 AM
The time has come for Musician Meta!

Thancred: Dismissal / Rally Song
Eiko: Valefor / Mana's Paean
Edward: Power Breakdown / Magic Breakdown
Lenna: Curaga / Stutter Step
Tyro: Meteor / Box Step

RW: Edward

Best team or BEST team?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 12, 2015, 04:44:14 AM
Wtf why did I just now see that Mana Song exists. Thaaat could have mattered. I even have an L65 bard. Oh well
 Bsin is already ending in an hour. Good to know for next time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 12, 2015, 04:57:46 AM
The time has come for Musician Meta!

Thancred: Dismissal / Rally Song
Eiko: Valefor / Mana's Paean
Edward: Power Breakdown / Magic Breakdown
Lenna: Curaga / Stutter Step
Tyro: Meteor / Box Step

RW: Edward

Best team or BEST team?

Mana's Paean when your only abilities running off Mag are Valefor and Meteor? And one of them is running off -Loserface- stats? Good lord.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 12, 2015, 05:09:09 AM
Well, the only use I can think of for this team is Daily farming, so...

Besides, I can always switch those out for things with more charges. And Mana/Summoner Spring II helps of course.

And keep in mind my Loserface has a 7-star Book of awesome, so he's actually still one of my better mages.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 12, 2015, 05:14:59 AM
And keep in mind my Loserface has a 7-star Book of awesome, so he's actually still one of my better mages.

7* SG Loserface has less Mag than an actual mage with a 4* rod. He beats uh Quistis and Golbez in that department I suppose. Dear god, those stats.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 12, 2015, 06:07:31 AM
you don't seem to understand my dearth of mage weapons...

Loserface is still one of my better mages.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 12, 2015, 06:54:04 AM
Since I already had a very reliable Belial beating squad put together, I spent the day farming him.  Out of 9 kills, got 2 greater summon orbs, 3 summon orbs, and 4 NOTHINGS.  Not really bad considering it's only 40 stamina, but it's kind of boring so I'll probably stop after this.  My setup was flawless, 0 deaths in those 9 kills, and worked with a variety of RWs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 12, 2015, 08:05:57 AM
Yeah I don't think Belias was that hard. I didn't even have to S/L on him. I had a lot more trouble with the lizard squad..... More than I care to admit. Lullaby would have really helped...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 12, 2015, 10:27:03 AM
Laguna EX battles dropped, it looks like Laguna is only necessary for a couple of them and they don't look that bad TBH. He'll be kinda underleveled but I think I can manage with my team.

Also Captain gave me an idea. It's possible I should be farming the EX++ battles for Greater orbs instead, esp. if I can beat them easily (IIRC, Sephiroth Reunion went down OK). The farming rate on the new dungeons is pretty OK (average of 2-3 Major orbs at 90 stamina, not bad), but since I need Greater maybe that won't be the best use of my time. I still need Major Black and Major Power, so Black Power day isn't a question, but I don't think Fire/Earth is a day I should prioritize. Maybe. Fuck I dunno.

Wiping up the FF8 event. Should have used Sunday for levelling Laguna more but meh too late now.

EDIT: Can't seem to create a 4 team party, btw. But, does having a level capped character in my roster count for redistributing EXP?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 12, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Level capped characters still eat their share of distributed EXP, it just gets wasted.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 12, 2015, 02:55:29 PM
Finished FF5 and FFXII dungeons on the new update. I'll beat the first Lunar Subterrane FF4 dungeon and use the stamina refresh to pick up Ricard's Memory Crystal on Tomb of Raithwall 4 Elite. Hopefully I'll have at least all of the Classics cleared by the time the Terra reissue lands.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 12, 2015, 03:04:47 PM
Then, how can I create a 4-party system? I can't seem to just remove characters.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 12, 2015, 03:45:00 PM
I don't know about the new UI, but on the old UI, in the Edit Party screen, there's an empty slot at the start of the character roster with "Remove" written on it. You click on the character you want to remove from the current party, then click on the "Remove" slot.

EDIT: Ricard level cap BREAK. Tangentially, Mana's Paean is -amazing-.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 12, 2015, 10:25:05 PM
you don't seem to understand my dearth of mage weapons...

Loserface is still one of my better mages.
Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu link=every topic.msg#every message.every message date=forever
why the fuck are you so bad at video games get on my level scrub and get more random mage drops nerd

This is will never change or stop being hilarious.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 13, 2015, 02:29:03 AM
Yeah I kind of rolled my eyes every time Snow talked about Vivi being good without his weapon.  Then I got his weapon and now I get to laugh at all the FFRK peons crawling at my feet.

More Belial farming, much more productive today.  Did 7 runs, got 5 GSO, 1 SO, and 1 nothing.  I should probably stop because MFO isn't happening and I don't even use summons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 13, 2015, 03:24:40 AM
Hmm, I wonder which elite stage has Ricard's MC. *goes to check*

OH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 13, 2015, 08:31:47 AM
Yeah snow the UI is still the same in that regard. Apparently it just became a blind spot and I didn't even look at the button.

Currently taking Laguna farming with Aeris and Yuna. Had Luneth in there too for a bit until I got the Start: Haste RM, then dumped him. Levelling this way works decently it seems so I should have Laguna near 50 by the time I'm doing the event fight I have to babysit him for.

The Divine fight this time looks doable, though I'm not gonna fret as much about it since the rewards aren't as stellar.

EDIT: What's so good about Richard's RM? Is sometimes proccing Jump instead of a regular attack really that worth it?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 13, 2015, 11:32:41 AM
Not the sometimes-Jump RM, the ATK+20% but Start:Sap RM. Sap is a minor annoyance, but ATK+20% is huuuge. Especially compared to every other damage-increasing RM.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 13, 2015, 11:42:21 AM
Ah, yeah knowing the actual % on that makes that a lot more worthwhile (also, my illiteracy made me think he started asleep, not sapped).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 13, 2015, 12:06:46 PM
Oh yeah, the reddit is full of datamined information like that. It has certainly made the game more strategic since I know how all the pieces and parts work.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2015, 12:40:47 PM
Hmm, I wonder which elite stage has Ricard's MC. *goes to check*

OH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

It wasn't that bad! Belias has about the same HP as the +++ fight on Vaan's event, but somewhat less defense. I managed it with an actually sub-optimal party (brought Red XIII and Eiko with zero offensive output), though that might be more of a testament on how potent Hastega is. It's -completely- worth it to boot, +20% Attack means an almost 40% increase in physical output to anyone carrying that RM. Insanely badass, especially considering it's Ricard's FIRST Materia.

Anyhow, all Classics done, currently farming black power for the last time before the Orb Festival sweeps in. Also manhandled Elite Chadarnook, who is a chump. Dark Bahamut will be seven kinds of unfun, though. I might postpone this particular Elite until I have Ruinga because seriously, fuck FF4 dungeons. The goddamn Princess Flans absorb Earth!

(This does push Meteor further and further into the NO REGRETS! field, though. More elemental MT is such a huge QoL thing.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 13, 2015, 01:28:40 PM
Oh yeah, I bumrushed Belias yesterday and got Ricard's Dragoon's Determination and it is sweet. Especially for a physical-heavy build like mine.

...It actually does away with the need for Advance in all the current dungeons. I don't know how long that'll last, but I'll enjoy Advance-less Advantaliate for a while. (I suppose that's just Reta-meta, but the damage output is on par with Advance so it -feels- more like Advantaliate only I can still bring a SG RW.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
I was dishing out 5k with synergy 5+* Zantetsuken Auron under that RM with a -basic physical- on Elite Chadarnook dungeon. It's pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 13, 2015, 02:24:06 PM
Meteor is also going to serve you well in several months. Really wish I had had it for B.Sin.

Notably, after Black Power Day and converting all orbs to Majors... I'm like .9 Major orbs away from R1 Meteo. Alternately, that's 90 Greater Black orbs, I could hone up to R3 Blizzaja AND R3 Firaja with some to spare (probably to hone my -gas to R4 if not R5). That would potentially help out with the Deep Dungeon bosses whose weaknesses I need to exploit, and those pay out in... 7 Majors, 5 Greaters, and 2 black crystals assuming mastery. And R1 meteo will help with exactly 0 of those bosses. Yeah OK sold.

Holding off on honing Blizzaja to R3 for now, though, because less Major Ice orbs means less chance for Full Break, and I may be able to get that after Wind/Lit day.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2015, 02:27:16 PM
Ah, Full Break. I've had the orbs to craft it for a while, now, but the ability isn't out in Global yet. Hopefully I'll be able to hone it to R2 by January or something.

EDIT: you mentioned you wanted a mitigation SB, didn't you, Zenny? Quistis' Scorpion Tail on the second Laguna banner sounds like a nice gamble: Shellga+Hastega+High-Regen's pretty sexy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 13, 2015, 02:38:18 PM
Huh, looking at some of the sprites that were added into the code recently... Apparently FFRK is getting Gogo soon.

FF5 Gogo! Wait what
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2015, 02:42:18 PM
Next week's event in JP will feature Freya and Garnet's MC2. Let's ser if they manage to give Dragoon something truly significant.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 13, 2015, 02:52:47 PM
Snow: Yeah, but then I'd have to use Quistis. While she is my favorite FF8 PC (not that there's any competition), she's kinda too terrible. Middling stats, only 4* BM and 4* Support (and 2* WM!!!!).

More importantly, though, I'm looking for mitigation that stacks with Shellga/Protectga. I'll save my Mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 13, 2015, 03:03:57 PM
Next week's event in JP will feature Freya and Garnet's MC2. Let's ser if they manage to give Dragoon something truly significant.
I'm assuming it'll be an ability that will turn the character into Kain's Dark Side, preferably with an emo haircut. It won't have any actual gameplay function, but it'll be important for aesthetic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2015, 03:07:53 PM
I'd just be happy if they gave Freya Support 4. Sounds like Dragoon/Support/Celerity would be the basis of her build, at least. Support 3 would be completely useless for JP metagame. I do expect her SSB to have something like a buff with high regen, though, Reis' Wind makes a good excuse for that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 13, 2015, 03:24:41 PM
Just saw the second post. Really, Garnet's MC2 as well? That's...

Terra, Galuf, Gilgamesh/Locke/Aerith/Vivi/Lulu/Vanille/Hope, Yuna, Tifa, Selphie.

The fourth WM MC2 since I started playing again, and the second Summoner/WM. Admittedly before that there was only Lenna and a bunch of physical characters, but still, they really could have balanced out their release schedule more.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2015, 03:49:25 PM
The unbalance is pretty consistent with their general schedule. They released Garnet, Yuna and Selphie, along with their MCs, in the interim of a month, while Quistis and Vivi were the only Black Mages with a Memory Crystal until late August. It honestly seems pretty deliberate. Rinoa was also the only BM with a MC2 for a good three months, IIRC.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 13, 2015, 03:56:50 PM
It certainly does a good job of switching up who is MVP from month to month! Which is honestly pretty rewarding when you've been playing for as long as we have (us veteran players of five whole months). It keeps things constantly shifting and rewards levelling up lots of characters, which in addition to the gacha mechanic, keeps everyone's play experience extremely varied. It really is one of the best examples of utilizing the F2P model correctly.

Overpriced, certainly, but you can't say they aren't doing their job at providing a cool experience with the tools they're working with.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2015, 05:43:14 PM
The funny part is that some of it was actually -worse- in JP. If I recall correctly, in JP, Vivi and Fran did NOT get Memory Crystals on Garnet's and Balthier's events respectively (neither did Wakka on Tidus' event! However, his MC was on the first batch of story dungeon MCs, which was removed on Global due to loldenaprogramming), so Wakka and Quistis were respectively the only relevant cap-broken support and mage for AGES (well, and Irvine. Can you think of a meta where gunless Irvine was a relevant choice? It happened).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 14, 2015, 12:27:44 AM
Saving up and planning for Orbfest, gotta keep this 'to-do' list updated and handy.

FFI: Tiamat (86 stam)
FFIV: Four Fiends Rush* (76 stam), Dark Bahamut* (101)
FFV: Sandworm* (58), Cray Claw* (77), Adamantoise* (61), Archeoaevis* (81), Purobolos* (61)
FFVII: Mako Reactor I* (13 stam, I'm saving it for an emergency stamina refresh!)
FFVIII: Edea/Seifer (81)
FFX: Seymour1 (73), Seymour Natus (61)
FFXII: Demon Wall3* (61)

New update almost completed. Just got a pesky Demon Wall and the FF4 stuff left. White Dragon looks tailor-made to be Advantaliated. Like, it counters everything and absorbs almost all magic, so strong counter-ignoring physicals seem to be the intended strategy. How quaint.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 14, 2015, 12:48:12 AM
Four elite dungeons left. My attempt on Holy dragon went sour when I realized I should've brought R2 Ixion instead of Alexander and R4 Waterja instead of R3 Firaja. Having someone to Slowga or Sleep would've been aces too. I just should've gone mage meta there, come to think of it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 14, 2015, 10:48:08 AM
Out of curiosity, what rank are your summons at, Snow? (And entire RK board)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 14, 2015, 11:12:48 AM
Shiva 3, Kirin 2, Bomb 1, Bomb 1 (Where did this----)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 14, 2015, 11:42:40 AM
The bombs came from Eiko's event apparently.

Shiva 1, Valefor 2 (have the orbs for 3, but R5 Diaga and R3 Curaja are way more important... probably. I'll see how Adel goes), Carbunkle 2, have the orbs for 3 but holding off (Reading up on Adel's fight it seems like it will be necessary).

Also, after Lightning/Wind day, I am pretty certain that by next week I'll have R1 Full Break, assuming Saturday doesn't (continue to) troll me by not coughing up Greater Ice orbs to convert.

---

Thursday and Friday dailies aren't critical so I guess I'll do the Laguna event then. Planning out my +++ and Divine party, looking like:

For Odin:

Kefka (R4Waterja, R2 Mana's Praen), Dualcast materia
Terra (R3 Firaja, R3 Thundaja), MATK Up/PDEF Down materia
Faris (R2 Mental Breakdown, R1 Power Breakdown) (who cares materia, Partisan w/ common SB)
Aeris (R2 Strongwater, R4 Diaga) (Rod->MindUP Materia)
Sephiroth (R2 Indoor Spell, still thinking for last option. Reta?) Katana -> DamageUP Materia

Hold out for a Lunatic High RW.

For Adel:

Kefka (R4Waterja, R2 Mana's Praen), Dualcast materia
Terra (R3 Firaja, R3 Thundaja), MATK Up/PDEF Down materia
Faris (R2 Mental Breakdown, R2Magic Breakdown) (who cares materia)
Yuna (R2/3Carbuncle, R1Dispel to cancel her Start:Shell), my common SB rod, Materia who cares
Aeris (R2 Shellga, R4 Diaga), Rod Equipped -> Mind UP materia

Hold out for an MT Restoration RW.

It looks like both Odin and Adel are pure DPS checks, with Odin's mastery reqs (win by turn 10 when he uses Zantetsuken) being a little bit more overt about it, so yeah. Both Faris and Yuna will have common SB equips to help boost their usefulness a bit after the initial buff/debuff turns.  I'm not terribly concerned about either, and if the quality of Adel's rewards are any indication she will be a lot easier than Bahamut Sin. (They're still good, just not as stellar as the AC event's.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 14, 2015, 12:00:46 PM
Out of curiosity, what rank are your summons at, Snow? (And entire RK board)

For stuff I actually use: R2 Valefor, Alexander, Ixion, Kirin, Ramuh, Ifrit, Carbuncle. R3 Shiva, Mist Dragon. R1 Phoenix, Leviathan and Quetzalcoatl. I kinda want to craft and hone Maduin, but my Greater Non-Elems have other priorities.

EDIT: Zenny, I wouldn't bother with Carby at R3. It only gets ST magic and so much of Adel's offense is MT. If you want to bypass the counters, ST Reflect is better.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 14, 2015, 01:47:21 PM
R1 Shiva, R3 Ramuh, R1 Ifrit, R1 Kirin, R1 Phoenix, R1 Quetzalcoatl.  Had to sell my BOMBS for more inventory space.  Yeah I don't use summons at all, they're terribly pointless without Summoner's Spring and I don't use any X Spring RMs.  Think I needed the Ramuh for some very specific thing with Garnet a while back, rest are just event rewards or stuff I made to fulfill quests.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 14, 2015, 02:20:51 PM
Yeah, but, uh, exactly what benefit is having to spend 3 turns getting my mage attackers reflected netting me over getting everything taken care of in 1 spell? It's not like I can afford to use the slot for healing, and I'm covering all my party toward the end of the fight when she starts throwing Flare/Holy at me is gonna net some extra damage. Is it just a matter of resource conservation?

EDIT: this may be the most useless tutorial but also the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=283&v=CGgL8qs4d-k
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 14, 2015, 02:29:18 PM
More dungeoneering. Cleared Lunar Subterrane 1 and Drakenvale. Wow, Drakenvale is very sad - they even tried by giving Dragon Pod's spawns high Res, but 5k HP on Elite doesn't save them from getting OHKOed by 4* summons with a decent rod. I had flashbacks from my FF5 fiesta playthrough. White Dragon... meh. I don't see why people on Reddit are crying over it. If you managed to clear the fight on Golbez event, you won't do any worse here. Given how I'm +1 natural 5* rod, +2 natural 5* hats (one of them having FF4 synergy!) and +1 3++* FF4 synergy rod compared to the event, uh yeah. Dark Bahamut... sigh. Getting everybody at max HP for that opening Megaflare when you have trash waves to deal with is going to suck. Maybe I can do something about it by using P. Cecil with Draw Fire, he's at least cap-broken and can carry some of the spoiling loadout necessary for the boss fight as well. Meanwhile, Mana's Paean continues to be amazing. Too bad there are so few people with relevant Bard levels.

EDIT:

Yeah, but, uh, exactly what benefit is having to spend 3 turns getting my mage attackers reflected netting me over getting everything taken care of in 1 spell? It's not like I can afford to use the slot for healing, and I'm covering all my party toward the end of the fight when she starts throwing Flare/Holy at me is gonna net some extra damage. Is it just a matter of resource conservation?

If you're using mages for the fight at all, you only need to reflect one for counter bypassing (you avoid counters by reflecting a spell on the person with Reflect, essentially). There's no real action economy there. And your SB gauge does -not- fill fast enough to rely solely on a healing SB on one character. Odds are you can't really fly the fight if you can't afford a single slot for healing anyway, unless Aerith's autolife is better than I think. The only setup without healing I saw in a lot of Adel videos involved a full party spamming R5 Dismissals with absolutely insane FF8 synergy. I'm not even sure what you're trying to accomplish with Carbuncle, since MT reflect is almost purely detrimental in that fight (Flare and Drain are both -very- low-priority on Adel's AI and everything else ignores Reflect).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 14, 2015, 03:33:22 PM
Ah, didn't realize it was that low priority. I also forgot that to bypass counters you can reflect one party member then cast on them. The plan was to use an RW for healing but mmmmm yeah I should probably just forgo reflect altogether if Flare and Holy aren't going to come out all that much, and hold off for a SG RW and hone up Curaja as much as I can with my wind orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 14, 2015, 04:15:38 PM
I'd recommend the Reflect -spell- (only 3* and you likely don't need it honed past R2), since the Drain counters are likely to wear your resources even more and Aerith's SSB can cover well for when you need healing on the single reflected PC. Are you going to pack Dispel against Shell? I didn't see it get used in videos at all, which makes me wonder if Adel auto-refreshes it as an interrupt.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 14, 2015, 04:48:50 PM
Adel auto refreshes it in the switch between Strong AI, Weak AI, and Very Weak AI, at least that's what it looks like watching the tutorial videos. Apparently she can just refresh it whenever, too... It's unclear, I'd have to watch more tutorials.

I'm unsure, though, because if I keep reflect I still don't really have a slot for dispel unless I ditch Shellga or one of my R3 -ajas, and I think if I ditch an -aja I'm almost certainly going to need to spend some mythril getting extra skill charges. I guess I could try it with and without Dispel and see which one nets me more damage overall.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 14, 2015, 05:46:34 PM
This talk is making me a fine case to attempt pulling on a FF8 banner, since my synergy for the realm is junk. I don't even have a 5* sword for it, which just about everyone and their mom seems to boast. I'll see how it goes after pulling on the Hope banner.

On unrelated news, beat Lunar Subterrane 2 and Underground Waterway. Lunar Subterrane 2 was actually surprisingly sane: slap Lominsan Bow, Dark Helm, Draw Fire and Dispel on Cecil, mage meta otherwise. I didn't even have to use the second charge of that Hymn of the Faith RW. Waterway was grossly easy, too: backrow Cecil under Draw Fire borders on unkillable and Reflect bypasses the counters no sweat. Now, to make a viable gameplan for FFVI's Holy Dragon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 14, 2015, 06:53:55 PM
Belial beat and mastered!

That took a couple tries...ha!

My set up.was entirely wrong the first two attemps. Vaan was basically useless. After a 2nd failure I switched him out for vivid and eventually got the job done. Rank 4 waterja comes in real handy in this one!

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 14, 2015, 07:21:04 PM
Holy Dragon conquered, now I'm entirely clear for DU11. This time, things went smoothly, with Lightning's Tempo Flurry proccing Slow on my second attempt. Mana Paean also made a big difference: the Dragon died before Golbez ran out of Firajas. The hilarious part was Rydia claiming the kill with a 77 damage cherry tap after -just- running out of summon charges. Fun stuff, and now I'm ready to devote all the stamina left for today and tomorrow to Terra's reissue.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 14, 2015, 07:52:23 PM
Should be able to stomp FFVI. Probably one of my strongest worlds despite having no good characters leveled up.

Who is being (re?)released with Terra? Or is it just solo?

EDIT
Having an encyclopedic knowledge of the bosses (encyclopedias, for those paying attention, in the category of "somewhat worse than Meeple") probably helps.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 14, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Terra and CYAN, along with Memory Crystals for both. At least Terra is one of the game's top mages. 5 BM and Support 4 off the stat spread and equipment options is good stuff. Even WM 3 has its place.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 14, 2015, 10:58:08 PM
White 3 is "yay you can bring Faith and Reflect!"

Though Terra might be able to swing a decent Curaga, I don't recall what her MND is like (aside from amnesia-addled ohoho).

Also seriously, Cyan? What is even the point of adding him to an event?

I guess he could be useful if he's the reward for the first fight? If you're a new player on their first day and they're only other options are like Kain and the Cores?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 14, 2015, 11:27:50 PM
The point of adding Cyan to the event is making the banners even worse.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 15, 2015, 01:16:37 AM
Oh hush, Cyan isn't even a bad character now.  He's gotten so many stat buffs that he's one of the tankiest characters in the game.  And his new Soul Break is pretty decent also.  Cyan's only flaw is that he fills the same party spot as Sephiroth.

I keep going back and forth on whether I want to pull on Terra's banner.  I've been hoarding mythril for the FF5 release, but that's still a loooong way away.  I do want Terra's bustier (hurr hurr) and I lack FF6 gear in general other than swords (3 of those!).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 15, 2015, 01:45:21 AM
Problem is that, if you want FF6 gear, Celes' reissue banners are considerably better overall, and that's just three weeks away. Terra's reissue banner set is simply terrible and you have the Enhancer, which will be more than enough to get you through unscathed for that one. The Bustier will also come back for the SSB fest, to boot. If you really want the Bustier -now-, sure, pull some, but I wouldn't recommend more than a 3-pull even then.

Meanwhile, I'm actually reconsidering my pull on Hope's banner to something less splurgy in order to save a couple pulls on Seifer's banners, which has a nice variety of weapons and I'm sorely lacking on FF8 material. Heck, even Quistis' whip I could hand to Rydia now that she's good and I still could use a second priest weapon, since Selphie Sticks are making a return.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 15, 2015, 02:26:23 AM
I do want Terra's bustier (hurr hurr)

I dunno. I always figured it was more MY kind of bustier than YOURS, y'know?

EDIT
Hey, man. Event also gives me a crack at adding the twins to my party, which is nice (for all that I likely won't use them), so overall, I'm pretty dang pleased.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 15, 2015, 02:42:28 AM
Well Snow said it was a bad idea so I must do the opposite of what he wants and spend 50 mythril!

...

Wow that was terrible.  2 four stars and that's it.  Almost all of it bad.  Even threw away one of the four stars because it was a FF7 glove and I already have Tifa's.  Oh well at least it gave me an excuse to clean out my inventory again.  So yeah my butt's pretty sore right now.

(http://i.imgur.com/nfYNhXQ.jpg)

And wtf is so special about Celes's banner?  Looks pretty horrible other than the chance of getting Runic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 15, 2015, 03:10:33 AM
Better weapon variety, mostly. Light Armors are never bad, nor are daggers, especially with that synergy. The Sniper procs Sap, which is a very rare status and very useful against bosses, since they almost never resist it. Mog's SB is really good, since its debuffs stack with Breakdowns. The armor has a Draw Fire that anyone can use, so it has niches for Tauntaliate setups on non-Loserface/Gilgamesh PCs - otherwise, similar. Though Soul Sabre alone makes a case to be a better pull draw than both of Terra's reissue banners, which features two of the worst weapon types en masse and a fucking shield to add insult to injury. THIS SAID, neither event's banner set appeals to me personally and I'm at best dropping the 100-gem pull. Not like I'm hurting for FF6 synergy anyway.

Also, told ya.

EDIT: Hilariously, they just did up the gacha rate on 5*s to 12%! No sign of rolling gacha, however.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 15, 2015, 03:25:00 AM
Urg, missed mastery on the… does this one even count as a boss rush?  The Tonberry/Diablos fight because I assumed Mog's default SB was wind elemental when it wasn't. Do I spend 40 stamina for 3 Major eggs and a Major Holy orb?  Ehhh. Maybe if it was literally any other element.

On the other hand, I did this to Odin (http://imgur.com/RYHh7ol), so I got that going for me, which is nice.

Esthar soldiers look like I may want to dance my way to success, but I'm kinda busy the rest of the day so I'll tackle those guys tomorrow. In the meantime, dungeon diving, levelling up Richard, etc. Etc.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 15, 2015, 06:27:25 AM
So.  I'm probably the last person on these boards that's able to do the FF12 +++ fight to actually complete the fight.

Yuna L54 with Curaga R2/Shellga R1
Y'shtola L56 with Curaga R3/Protectga R1
Cloud L65 with Armor Break R2/Retaliate R4, Self-Sacrifice RM
Thancred L55 with Tempo Flurry R5/Boost R1, Double Hit RM
Rinoa L62 with Waterja R3/Dispel R1

RW: Planet Protector Aeris

Fight was absolutely brutal.  Lost 1 medal for actions taken and 2 medals for damage taken.


Also did the 100-gem pull and a 50 Mithril Pull!...  Got one 4* piece of gear.  Bah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 15, 2015, 07:50:26 AM
facts

I do fucking love Argyle.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 15, 2015, 10:25:05 AM
So, against my better judgment, I did a 3-pull with 15 mythril (I'm taking that from my alotted Mythril for Hope's event, so it shouldn't change how much I have for Zidane's second banner, which is my big aim for the next couple months). Got another Crystal Helm (sweet, I have a 4++* for FF6 events) and my sixth character relic! Yay!

... it's Cyan's Kotetsu. Sigh. I guess I have a weapon for Sephiroth, at least. And I already had Cyan levelled to 50, so he can deal actual damage for the event. Doesn't hurt it's the weapon with the highest base attack I have.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 15, 2015, 10:35:54 AM
A five star Katana is pretty cool. The rarity of katanas is basically the only thing that keeps Sephiroth from being top tier, so hey, you're now living the Sephyfanboy dream!

I, as a huge Terra fan rivaled only by like Meeple, have managed to draw Edgar's Partisan. Which sucks for gameplay but fuck yeah to having a reason to use one of the Figabros!

I'm now sitting at 16 natural 5-star weapons. Which is quite far above the curve considering I've only paid the 100-gem pulls (and roughly ten dollars during the fruitless Tellah banner, sigh). I really want one of Terra's equips but I guess it's not in the cards. Maybe during the next Breakfast? I have Tidus, Tyro (x3), Balthier, Thancred, Aerith, and now Edgar's SB weapons so that's pretty cool. At least it's no one I hate... Well, Tyro but he's more like a nonentity than a disliked character.

I could make a functioning team of them even!

Cleared out Terra's classic fights so now I'm sitting at 71/72 available PCs, leaving only Celes before I'll have finally closed the difference between my Month 2 start and what Day 2 players have.
Technically there's still Warrior before I can say I've "caught them all", but I haven't heard about a reissue for him. Nor a Memory Crystal. Which is impressive considering they are issuing MC2s for months now in Japan. So I'm not sure I consider him an actual character. More like a forgotten trinket.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 15, 2015, 10:54:57 AM
In the end, a character relic is a character relic. And Cyan has in fact seen worse days (he actually has about as much ATK as Lightning nowadays, which is solid). Still, kinda underwhelming.

EDIT: Dear god, Djinn, we have the same amount of natural 5* weapons (not counting the ones fed to combining, at least. This'd prop up mine to 20).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 15, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
It's worth noting that I've gotten Tidus', Aerith's, Thancred's, and one of Tyro's SB weapons from 100-gem pulls. That has saved me a lot of mythril overall so I've probably been able to portion out my draws in a statistically-favorable way.

Except when it comes to mage weapons of course. ...spent SO much mythril on Tellah's banner for crap like Lances...

I -really- wish Terra's banner didn't come right before Orbtoberfest -and- the first SSB banner. I would have loved to just spend everything on FF6 characters. I feel like if I did an 11-pull here, I'd probably even get Terra's bustier, but the (statistically-likely) chance of missing it means that the logical choice is clearly to save up for the guaranteed power that all those mythril refreshes will bring to my party during Orbtoberfest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 15, 2015, 11:28:32 AM
The Bustier comes back on Shadow's banner, at least. My sights are set on Zidane's and Lulu's banners, though - so much mage stuff and Lulu's not only my third-favorite PC from my favorite FF, her banner comes with Yuna's Lullaby Rod and Wakka's second relic SB. All my three favorite FFX PCs rolled in a single banner.

EDIT: Currently doing Elite dungeons on Terra's event, just got Cyan's Memory Crystal a Greater Growth Egg. Kotetsu Cyan is indeed legit. The thing has 207 Attack with FF6 synergy, for chrissakes. For comparison, a 5+* Zantetsuken has 213 Attack with synergy, and a 5* weapon being so close to a combined natural 5* sword is kinda nuts. I'll also be able to break 300 Attack with it on Sephiroth without synergy once I level him to 65, so there's that. A character relic is a character relic, indeed. Terra's also L47, so she should be cap-broken before the event ends.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 15, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
Only 7 5* weapons for me, but they're a well balanced set (Zantetsuken, Gold Spear, Keepsake Knife, Judgement Staffx2, Full Metal Staff, Thyrus) and Thyrus is Thyrus so I'm happy. Also 2 hats and 4 bracers, which is good since I like offense boosting armor with RK's lopsided algorithms.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 15, 2015, 03:09:36 PM
So I thought I'd add up my natural 5 star items..


Here's the count.

10 natural 5 star weapons. Two character specific, Yuna and rydia.

5 natural 6 star armor pieces. No specifics, and 1 is a shield. Seriouly, I have tons of  shitty shields. For reasons unknown I hold onto them. I've NEVER equipped one in any event.

Granted I have TONS of 5 star gear after combinations, but looking back. I've gotten the rng shaft as far as pulls go.

I'm doing this whole thing wrong.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 15, 2015, 03:18:54 PM
We could do another e-peen contest, since it's been a while! My list as of today:

6* (5*+)

Diamond Pin (Red XIII, FFVII)
Official Ball (Wakka, FFX)
Heat Lance (FFX)
Emerald Shield (FFX)
Monk Robe (FFX)
Zantetsuken (FFVI)

5* (Natural)

Judgment Rod (FFV)
Genji Armor (FFV)
Genji Helm (FFV)
Golden Lance (FFVI)
Hawkeye (FFVI)
Oak Staff (Vivi, FFIX)
Keepsake Knife (FFXIII)
Danjuro (FFXII)
Running Fire (FFVIII)
Adamant Bangle (FFVII)
Edincoat (FFVII)
Viking Coat (FFXII)
Dark Helm (FFIV)
Rune Axe (Golbez, FFIV)
Blazefire Saber (Lightning, FFXIII)
Lominsan Bow (FFXIV)
The Keep of Saints (FFXIV)
Evoker's Horn (FFXIV)
Gold Hairpin (FFIV)
Kotetsu (Cyan, FFVI)

6* (4++*)

Ten-Gallon Hat (FFVIII)
Empyrean Rod (FFXII)
White Robe (FFIV)
Red Jacket (FFVI)
Crystal Helm (FFVI)

5* (4+* and 3++*)

Warrior's Sword (FFX)
Royal Crown (FFVI)
Thornlet (FFV)
Bright Armguard (FFX)
Black Robe (FFIV)
Masamune Blade (FFVII)
Sage Staff (FFIV)
Lilith Rod (FFIV)
Flail (FFVIII)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 15, 2015, 03:21:18 PM
Man, I really wanted Yuna's weapon too... So jealous.

Like, my Friend List is literally just "DLers", Luneths, and Yunas. I think I have like an Edward and an Ashe in there randomly too. All the other support RWs show up in rotation often enough that I haven't needed to follow any. It would be -sooooo- convenient having a party-healing SB, just due to the nature of how that resource works. Unlike the other support SBs like Sentinel's Grimoire or Boon, MT healing SBs aren't usually -needed- turn 1, so there's inherently time to build up the gauge, and since that's a renewable resource, it's far better than using your RW slot on 2 shots of healing. It's frustrating.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 15, 2015, 03:26:52 PM
MT healing is the only thing I -don't- have from my relics, and I want it pretty bad. I'm already planning pulls on Hope, Zidane 2 and Lulu for that exact purpose, since Wyrmfang, Emerald Light and Hymn of the Faith (MT healing with Protectga/Hastega/High-regen) are all there. I'm even pondering doing a 3-pull on Seifer 2, since they reissue Selphie Sticks on it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 15, 2015, 04:04:02 PM
Real 6*:  Balthier's gun, Selphie's rod
Fake 6*: Masamune Blade (FF7)

Real 5*: White Robe (IX), Adamant Vest (IX), Defense Veil (X), Genji Shield (IV), Oak Staff (IX), Crystal Glove (VII), Masamune (VII), Blitz Sword (VIII), Enhancer (VI), Zantetsuken (VI)
Fake 5* 21 others

So 12 5-star pulls, 6 of them character specific.

And Djinn, MT healing is pretty damned important on turn 1.  Turn 1 is when you'll take your biggest hit from bosses because you don't have mitigation up.  On guys like Belial or Dark Bahamut who always aoe, you will be left hurting.  That's not to say MT healing is a necessity, but let's just say Cloud's new RM will be going straight to Selphie and staying there when I get it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 15, 2015, 04:47:29 PM
Cap-broke Terra after walloping Deathgaze. His first fight drops Greater Holy Orbs (got one myself) if you care.

Tangentially, DeNa confirmed in their FFRK blog that, after Freya, the next two events will involve FF2 and Final Fantasy Tactics. We may all start hyperventilating now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 15, 2015, 06:13:48 PM
Can't wait until they reveal fft cloud as the first character for tactics.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 15, 2015, 10:59:39 PM
Wait, there are natural 6 star stuff? Does that mean you can level it all the way to 8?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 15, 2015, 11:34:31 PM
No, there's no natural 6-star stuff. He just means that it was made with two 5-star weapons as opposed to those filthy lower-born 4-stars.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 16, 2015, 12:37:56 AM
Also, why does Terra get a water Soul Break? You'd think it could be any number of things, but water? Why? Why can't that be Strago's? (Aside from the image of Strago in a bustier)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 16, 2015, 01:00:33 AM
Meeple can correct me, but IIRC, Flood was one of Terra's stupidly-overpowered moves in Dissidia. So for whatever reason, she's just associated with powerful elemental magic of all elements in Square-Enix's memory.

Also, Strago -does- get a water-themed Soul Break.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 16, 2015, 01:08:24 AM
Also, why does Terra get a water Soul Break? You'd think it could be any number of things, but water? Why? Why can't that be Strago's? (Aside from the image of Strago in a bustier)

Flood is a move of hers in Dissidia and FFRK borrows stuff from it at times. One of Tifa's future SBs (Burning Arrow, IIRC) comes from it, Sephiroth's SBs are largely Dissidia-based (even his default!). Strago gets Aqua Breath as his relic Soul Break anyway, so yeah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 16, 2015, 01:21:10 AM
Also Terra's Super Soul Break weapon is Maduin's Horn, which is a Dissidia original.

I think Dissidia's the only place where Kain has ever used Lancet before, for that matter.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 16, 2015, 02:20:52 AM
Stuff

good job guys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEoLCrPnUx0)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 16, 2015, 02:54:34 AM
Just confirming that Flood is indeed one of Terra's HP Attacks in Dissidia, one of her default ones at that.  Why they chose Flood for one of Terra's Soul Breaks of all things, not sure; Meltdown and Tornado were the ones more commonly discussed after all.  Meltdown I guess wasn't used because they didn't want to give her a second Fire Soul Break, but that still leaves the question of why not Tornado? 

Also, yeah, I think Lancet on Kain is literally an RK thing, pretty much entirely because Kain has absolutely nothing else you could give him (well, some Duodecim stuff) and Lancet is a heavily Dragoon inspired move so "why not."
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 16, 2015, 05:07:11 AM
Make sure you try out Strago's default SB, the animation's really cool.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 16, 2015, 05:48:45 AM
Stuff

good job guys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEoLCrPnUx0)

It is worth sharing this kind of information because depending on what relics you get, it vastly changes how each of us plays the game. It is kind of the core of what makes gacha stuff interesting. Every time a player draws something new, that's a new resource added to a player's strategy set. What was once your optimal team build may have just changed drastically due to one or two new relics. This encourages trying out all kinds of different builds. And it's refreshing to see different strategies in play due to these options.

Case in point just from this discussion: snow and I don't have any MT healing Limit breaks, so our strategies don't involve Selphie in every party like most of Cap's. It also manifests itself in my having to use my summoned friend slot for MT healing while Scar or Cap would likely be able to use a completely different party build due to their access to different RW options like defense boosting or pure damage stuff.

So yeah, part of the appeal is epeen measuring I guess? But that's not the discussion we are having.

Disclaimer not intended to be some kind of indignant reply to the usual Grefter snark, I just like talking about game design and I think this aspect of gacha/collectable games gets overlooked a lot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 16, 2015, 05:50:31 AM
Esthar soldiers down. Was too drunk to beat it (and Come at me bro was a bad choice since Shotgun didn't trigger counters) last night but came back and wrecked the fight on my lunch break. Retroactively made me not regret getting R3 Quake. Party was

Terra (Thundaja, Quake)
Faris (Box Step, Tempt yo Furry)
Seph (Reta, Fweeb),
Yuna (Protectga, Curaja)
Aeris (Strongwater, Curaga).

Dualcast proccing twice on a quake usage was nice but unnecessary. Estar terminators got wrecked by Thundaja, and the others weren't all that threatening.

Gonna give Adel a shot this afternoon I suppose. Probably will go back for those Exp eggs and EDIT: Holy Major orb I missed too, then chip through the Garnet event until Midnight and the Saturday daily rolls around. Need ice orbs so bad.

EDIT: Yeaaaaaah Adel isn't happening. My physical setup is better than my magic setup, but I'm still getting overwhelmed. After the Saturday daily I should have Full Break (Even if I have to blow mythril to do it), I'll give it another swing then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 16, 2015, 11:20:06 AM
Terra event cleared. Wrexsoul is kind of a pain, but at least you only have to smack the possessed PC instead of killing him/her to make it reappear. The possession gimmick also makes Reta-meta annoying (if he possesses the Retaliator, you have to wait until it runs out to get him off). Now, back to farming Dark Orbs and Tidus' RM2.

EDIT: I miss Grefter's rageposts after bad pulls.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 16, 2015, 11:27:07 AM
Terra event also cleared today. Cap-broken Terra is my new favorite darling. If only I had -her- SB relic instead of Edgar's and Locke's... sigh

FFI: Tiamat (86 stam)
FFV: Sandworm* (58), Cray Claw* (77), Adamantoise* (61), Archeoaevis* (81), Purobolos* (61)
FFVII: Mako Reactor I* (13 stam, I'm saving it for an emergency stamina refresh!)
FFVIII: Edea/Seifer (81)
FFX: Seymour1 (73), Seymour Natus (61)
FFXII: Demon Wall3* (61)

Dilemma: I'm currently sitting at 4 stamina shards w/ 7 stamina shards left on the board. This means I can do up to two more stamina refreshes before another dungeon update happens. Should I attempt to clear 5 more dungeons before Orbtoberfest happens so I can get a free stamina refresh during Orbtoberfest? Or should I just hold off on doing any more stamina shard dungeons until after Orbtoberfest is over so I can guarantee I'll have easy access to my FF7 stamina shard during the event? #firstrecordproblems
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 16, 2015, 11:33:36 AM
Saving the refresh for Cloud's MC2 event may not be a bad idea, since it's a much shorter event than usual: ten dungeons instead of the usual 20, so you may be able to blow it out in a single refresh.

EDIT: Also, Terra is undoubtedly the -top- Black Mage in current meta now she's got her MC and will remain so until Rinoa gets her MC2. Best stat spread, great equipment draw, excellent skillset (Support 4 and WM3 make her very versatile at covering setup holes in any given team) and zero dependency on character relics for effective usage. Her SBs aren't very good, but that's a really minute part of her game. I'm definitely bringing her to my A-team lineup for mage meta for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 16, 2015, 01:09:25 PM
I'm all for using abilities from Dissidia, so that puts that question to rest.
~~~
It is worth sharing this kind of information because depending on what relics you get, it vastly changes how each of us plays the game. It is kind of the core of what makes gacha stuff interesting. Every time a player draws something new, that's a new resource added to a player's strategy set. What was once your optimal team build may have just changed drastically due to one or two new relics. This encourages trying out all kinds of different builds. And it's refreshing to see different strategies in play due to these options.

Case in point just from this discussion: snow and I don't have any MT healing Limit breaks, so our strategies don't involve Selphie in every party like most of Cap's. It also manifests itself in my having to use my summoned friend slot for MT healing while Scar or Cap would likely be able to use a completely different party build due to their access to different RW options like defense boosting or pure damage stuff.

So yeah, part of the appeal is epeen measuring I guess? But that's not the discussion we are having.

Disclaimer not intended to be some kind of indignant reply to the usual Grefter snark, I just like talking about game design and I think this aspect of gacha/collectable games gets overlooked a lot.

This.

Especially if you just LIKE doing things randomly like I do, it's really refreshing. When I was getting crushed on bad draws, I looked at my shitty equipment, saw "Well, at least I have a nice bow" and sort of informed my entire strategy around that.
Zenny's most recently posted party has 3 mages.
Fanatic's most recent has 3 mages.
---we haven't posted our team dynamics in a few pages, but the 3 mages (Zenny had a party earlier with 4) isn't uncommon.

I run ONE. (Golbez could be a mage, but I don't USE him as a mage.)
One mage, and I usually make it someone I can stuff my bow on and run them as a hybrid ANYHOW. I have grindy fights against enemies that I win through attrition.
My cousin is a fucking luck box, and pulled TWO of Tellah's staff on the Tellah/Golbez event. So he gave one to each. He's got several other 5* weapons (more than me. :( ), so despite being way underleveled compared to me, completely unable to craft abilities or hone abilities like I have, and he doesn't have the best armor. So HE does everything as a glass canon. Spit everything he has at an enemy, take a roaming warrior that will inflict crazy damage, and just hope that he kills the enemy before he gets murdered.

There's something really cool about a game where you don't know how you're going to win, but you can still probably win.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 16, 2015, 01:36:43 PM
Oh shit, DeNa translated the half-price, guaranteed character relic on 5* banner announcement. If they release it on the Orbfest, there goes my planning for Hope's banner. =(
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 16, 2015, 02:23:55 PM
Wait what?

Guaranteed relic?

My dreams have come true!

Anyways, Terra event beat for now.

Had to re-do the stooges stage, because I brought a real crap squad I was leveling up. Ah well.

Wreck it wrexsoul as well.

I was reminded of how annoying the dream stage was to me as a child. This was vindication. Plus I didn't even have to bring Cyan!

I am so behind on the dungeons. Gotta start doing those...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 16, 2015, 02:27:36 PM
Wait what?

Guaranteed relic?

Basically, it's a set of three banners that go for 25 Mythril/1500 gems for an 11-pull. If the pull procures 5* relics, they're guaranteed to be a character SB relic - any of them released so far. It was one of the special offers in the one-year anniversary celebration in Japan last month.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 16, 2015, 03:28:08 PM
I'd put Ashe as at minimum the 1a to Terra's 1 at the moment. Stat spread is nearly identical, equips near identical (unless you are in the mnority that really like heavy armor), basically trades breakdowns for a clone of Vivi's default SB. I... suspect that I'm going to use Magick Lore more than breakdowns on Terra, personally.

Also that lucky draw makes me glad I have over 200 mythril stocked up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 16, 2015, 03:40:57 PM
I'd put Ashe as at minimum the 1a to Terra's 1 at the moment. Stat spread is nearly identical, equips near identical (unless you are in the mnority that really like heavy armor), basically trades breakdowns for a clone of Vivi's default SB. I... suspect that I'm going to use Magick Lore more than breakdowns on Terra, personally.

Also that lucky draw makes me glad I have over 200 mythril stocked up.

Ashe's case for tied-to-best is great, yeah. I do think the loss of 4 Support is relevant (I run mages a lot and I often want to slot in a third Breakdown), but her package is otherwise very complete as well.

I'm glad I have 100+ mythril right now, but man, missing out on those upcoming FF13/FF9/FF10 shinies if it comes this Sunday...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 16, 2015, 03:59:59 PM
Only 35 mithril.

Though I did read in japan, they gave out 25 mithril for this event for them.

If I can get 75 mithril, for 1 draw for each phase...I'd be happy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 16, 2015, 04:06:24 PM
I'm more likely to run 1 breakdown than 3, myself; break resistance is getting more and more common, which makes the math on armor/mental way less good. And Power Breakdown is fairly ineffecitive if you can't a boss below 346 atk. It was only an 11.6% reduction on Sanctuary Keeper's physicals, for instance.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 16, 2015, 05:11:40 PM
I NEEDED that 11.6% on Sanctuary Keeper even post-Sentinel and Protectga. Granted, Power Breakdown was the only one I brought there. In general, though, since I almost always bring Mental Breakdown for mage-boosting, I end up vying for all three when the boss mixes up his offense well. I don't ever use Armor Breakdown.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 16, 2015, 08:16:54 PM
Here's hoping they introduce item trading in the game at some point.

You are wasting relics if you have to combine then!

Or maybe your an asshole. Both work.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 16, 2015, 08:34:41 PM
Welp. No FFVI weapons for me. Got a bunch of 3 star crap. So my favorite cast is probably gonna be on the bench for a good, long while. (Could see myself situationally using Terra instead of Golbez)

As for the event, currently out of stamina after fighting DOOM GAZE, who is surprisingly mean and really, REALLY likes opening with Death on the worst possible character to spend an entire fight dead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 16, 2015, 08:46:16 PM
It's okay, most of the FF6 cast is pretty underwhelming in FFRK anyway (exceptions are Terra and arguably current Celes. Earlier Celes was just kinda terrible).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 16, 2015, 10:11:08 PM
Mog will also be good when he finally gets his damned MC. Bulkiest healier by far and only 3 less mind at 65 than Garnet.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 16, 2015, 10:22:18 PM
Though I did read in japan, they gave out 25 mithril for this event for them.

For fhe most recent one, it was 50. Got Sephy's Masamune thanks to that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 16, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Mog will also be good when he finally gets his damned MC. Bulkiest healier by far and only 3 less mind at 65 than Garnet.

Well technically Cecil is bulkiest healer now!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 17, 2015, 10:01:39 AM
Finally cleared the Touched by Me event.

Party for Wrexsoul was as such:

Terra L24 with Waterja R3/Blizzaga R2
Y'shtola L57 with Curaga R3/Shellga R1 + Concentration 2
Auron L51 with Yukikaze R1/Retaliate R4 + Self-Sacrifice
Thancred L55 with Tempo Flurry R5/Boost R1 + Double Hit
Cyan L24 with Double Cut R3/Iai Strike R1

Three Stooges were a pain in the ass.  Took me two separate tries - sadly, CK's Balthier wasn't enough this time around, even though it was a novel idea (didn't even have to reroll for it!) so I went with a generic SG.  That plus Shellga actually ensured that my characters stayed alive.

Wrexsoul was a real pain...  Until I noticed that the Empowered Souls can be ID'd, and the boss can't possess anyone if his support is dead.  Cue S/Ling while I tried to Iai Strike at least one of them while I blitzed down the other with RetaMeta and PP as my RW.  After that fight...  It's only 30%, but it's attached to a skill that's only 3*, so that got honed up to R2 right after the fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 17, 2015, 10:17:56 AM
Woo, while farming a Greater Ice Orb dropped saving me something like another 100 stamina. Gonna get the FF9 characters with the rest of my stamina today, maybe give Adel another shot now that I can stack Magic Breakdown with Full Break.

EDIT: Tried Adel again. Still going through it, think I have a legit shot now that I have full break.

Team:

Terra (Magic Breakdown, Armor Breakdown)
Faris (Full Break, Tempo Flurry), Start: Haste
Seph (Indoor Spell, Reta),
Yuna (Shell, Curaja)
Aeris (Strongwater, Curaga)
RW: Sentinel Grimoire

Still getting walled at the same place, but now I feel like I can tackle that. Basically, at the start of her second phase, all breaks wear off on her (only noticed this because she entered her next phase in the middle of two reta counters and the damage reduction was instantaneous) and she starts charging for Ultima on her next turn. So basically surviving this is a matter of saving up Terra and Faris' ATB for right when she enters the phase, hitting her with magic/full break, then defending ASAP. I'll probably also hold off on getting SG up until she's about to enter that phase.

If this doesn't work, backup plan is get Reraise up before Part 2 and hope for the best.

Also, considering she apparently has a very weak phase as well, I suspect the same nonsense will be happening there, as such I shouldn't open with Full Break and should save that for part 3.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 17, 2015, 02:09:41 PM
Three Dream Stooges are overtuned as fuck.  One of them hit for over 6000 damage.  I've never seen anything in the game hit that hard, not even +++ bosses.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 17, 2015, 02:38:28 PM
I used Runic for the stooges and Carbuncle for Wrexsoul. Don't think I healed even once in either fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 17, 2015, 02:54:10 PM
I somehow had so much FF6 synergy that literally every piece of equipment AND character I brought to that Stooges fight was glowing blue. It was a nice change from the usual "get facerolled at all the stuff Snow keeps claiming is easy".
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 17, 2015, 03:31:38 PM
Welp, giving up on that party setup against Adel. I can consistently get to phase three but by that point my dual delay (my main source of damage) and healing are both spent and there's not a whole lot I can do. Oh well, someday I'll take down a Divine boss. That day is not today, however.

Sunday daily drops in a half hour. If can potentially get Zack up to 65, slap Drain Sword on him to take a load off of my healers, and with his SSB I'd have more damage... But the outcome still does not look likely. I don't have the resources for more Indoor Spells but yeah.

Now, thinking about Mage setups, I could potentially go back to my original plan but tweaked. Drain is not particularly threatening with proper mitigation up, and I would definitely need to remove dispel in order to have enough damage to get by. I might spend mythril on a stamina refresh after I spend it all on my first round of Sunday grinding to get damage numbers after that to math out if I would have enough damage, but eeeeeh if I don't have enough damage then it would all be a wash anyway.

What I can do is find out how much minimum damage I would need per spell charge to succeed. Let's take a look at that.

Assuming a team of

Terra (Waterja, Dispel)
Kefka (Thundaga, Mana's Praen)
Faris (FB, MagBD)
Yuna (Diaga, Curaja)
Aeris (Shell, Curaga)

That would give me a total of 8+8+6=22 spell charges, so my minimum damage would have to be 288000/22 = 13090... I would need to hit the damage cap every time, use all of my charges for that to work It could work, especially since Faris deals about 2k a hit and 3k with a break. If I skip buffing, and throw Firaja on Kefka, that gives me 6 more charges to work with, making my minimum damage... still over the damage cap (10285), and honestly it would also take 6 more turns which I'm not sure I can manage without getting overwhelmed, and certainly will leave me with time with SG not up, meaning Drain will actually be an issue I have to deal with.

Nope, not happening. Oh well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 17, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
Oh come on, DJ, when was the last time you got slaughtered by a fight I thought was easy?

Welp, giving up on Adel. I can consistently get to phase three but by that point my damage and healing are both spent and there's not a whole lot I can do. Oh well, someday I'll take down a Divine boss. That day is not today, however.

It'll happen eventually. Given how far you can make it at this point, it probably ain't far.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 17, 2015, 04:30:44 PM
No, not far at all. I'd say a couple months, max. Honestly considering that taking down +++ fights isn't even really an issue anymore, once I get to the point when I can farm those consistently (uh, depending on their Major orb drop rates) my progress should speed up quite a bit.

EDIT: Wait I'm being dumb. 40 stamina for at most 1 orb vs. 30 stamina for an average of 1 Greater orb drop... the new EX+ Dailies would still be faster. Still yeah Japan has entered a post-orb scarcity orb economy so my progress should be quite expedient.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 17, 2015, 08:33:39 PM
Today's pretty empty. Currently farming NE orbs. Honed Pound to R4. The orbfest should grant me enough GLOs to let me hone Dismissal to R4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 18, 2015, 03:59:46 AM
Terra's bonus battles are up. I went into the boss rush but forgot to bring Shellga. Do not make my 60-stamina-wasting mistake :(
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 18, 2015, 06:04:55 AM
So.  Running my standard Black Mage/Y'shtola/Cloud/Thancred/Yuna team.

Beat the boss rush without much incident.

Terra L26->27 (leveled mid-rush) with Waterga R3/Firaga R4
Y'shtola L57 with Curaga R3/Shellga R1
Cloud L65 with Iai Strike R2/Retaliate R4
Thancred L56 with Tempo Flurry R5/Boost R1
Yuna L54->L55 with Curaga R2/Shiva R1
RW: Sentinel's Grimoire

Gunship took a few reloads, but was simple enough once all my defensive measures were up.  RW use one.
Deathgaze never cast Death.  One-shot.
Stooges took one reload due to bad ATB RNG, but died quickly.  RW use two.
Wrexsoul...  I was worried about this one.  Took 3 S/Ls...  But on the last try, Iai Strike procced on both the Empowered Souls, and then the rest of the fight was cake with all my defensive measures up.

The ++ fight took me a few S/Ls due to bad starting RNG for ATB, but it really wasn't that hard.  Just took in the same party as the boss rush with all the same skills (should've swapped out Shiva for something more effective on Yuna, like Diaga or something) and still managed a win.

Now I'm out of Stamina, but I'm wondering if I'll be able to handle the +++ fight...  Eh, maybe.  Also tempted to wait until after Sunday, and after I get Terra to a higher level than 27.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 18, 2015, 06:08:09 AM
The +++ fight is very simple due to being so heavily compartimentalized. Honestly, the most complicated part of the bonus was the boss rush, since it takes some tinkering to spoil the latter half while still managing the former half efficiently. It does mark my first full mastery bonus battle run, at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 18, 2015, 06:15:47 AM
Either way, +++ fights have me nervous after fights like Belias and Sanctuary Keeper.

Also edited in the team I used for both the + and ++ fights.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 18, 2015, 06:22:50 AM
Fire and Ice Dragons are very simple. Bring two up-to-date BMs with Firaga-ja and Waterga-ja at a decently honed level, Magic Break/Down, Shellga, SG/SSII and rake in the damage. They're definitely not on the level of Belias, let alone Sanctuary Keeper. I -would- bring Terra to the Sundaily, though, she's a liablity at L27.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Dhyerwolf on October 18, 2015, 06:53:31 AM
I was with someone at the ER, and downloaded RK to deal with the 6 hour process. I recruited Kain (whoppee) and Cloud. Not really planning on playing except at places I don't bring a PSP, but hey, it was a great time killer for the hospital. I got a 5 star FF 12 knife on the game starting, which trivialized what I played. I don't know if you always get a 5 star at the start, so maybe it wasn't that big a deal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 18, 2015, 07:21:30 AM
Think it's guaranteed now, and from a small pool (Danjuro, Blitz Sword, idk what else).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magetastica on October 18, 2015, 07:42:30 AM
Oh man, I'm missing out on some quality e-peen measuring. Let me just pull mine out, aaaaaaand...

7*: SOLDIER Sword++

6*: Butterfly Edge+
Lominsan Bow+
Thornlet++

5*: Shark
Yoshimitsu
Zantetsuken
Runeblade
Soldier's Sabre
Buster Sword (VII-CC)
Heat Lance
Empyrean Rod+
Healing Rod
Magus Rod
Royal Crown+
Mystery Veil
Keepsake Ribbon
Circlet
Defense Veil
Ninja Chainmail
Rune Armlet++
Gauntlets (shh, these count)

4*: Bunch of accessories, so whatevs.

So basically, I have enough stuff that I can pull off a mediocre mage-meta (better now that I just got the Runeblade), but am quite sold on the reta-meta. Well, for now.

As for updates, I've completed most of the regular dungeon content, and all but the +/++/+++ for Terra's event
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 18, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
I just did some more pulls on the Terra banner because, y'know, Terra is my favorite character and all. I've done a total of like 6 pulls on this banner.

I have gotten two character-specific relics and a shared SB relic. Yet somehow I still doubt I'll ever use these things.

Edgar's Partisan
Sabin's Kaiser Knuckles
Mirage Vest w/ shared SB single-target Image (exceptionally useless when I have Aerith's MT version...)

I mean, more 5-stars is great, but I feel kind of trolled by RNJesus. At least the Figaro Brothers are in my top ten of favorite characters, but they really aren't helping my party strength if I'm being honest. Still, a new 5-star fist weapon means super-viable Monks! Time for Snow, Tifa, Galuf, and Zell to shine! (on dailies)

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 18, 2015, 02:11:08 PM
yeaaah I mean it could be worse

you could have gotten kimarhi's spear instead of Edgar's

And edgar will have 5* Engineering.... in like, uh, long-enough-for-you-to-be-sick-of-the-game months from now.

---

Got Seph, Gilgy, Yuna, and Aeris up to 79-80, and Freya, Garnet, Zack, and Joseph up to Level 49 on today's daily so far and should have them at 50 before the day ends since I'm gonna spend a couple mythril for Stamina refreshes. Unfortunately Joseph's RM2 requires me to go through more FF2 dungeons to proc it, so grinding for that will have to wait until...... uh, Thursday or Friday. Or longer, depending on how the Divine fight for Garnet's event is looking. Like, if that Double Hit is going to up my reta game enough to blitz through the fight then sure, but otherwise that's pretty low priority. I'd much rather go through the 14 (...ugh) more story dungeons I have to slog through to get Fran's MC1 so I can get her on her way to level 80 for a MC2-broken Support 5 character.

They're also apparently restarting all the quests in November, so I got Sazh up to 40 or so for the free mythril at 50. I mean, who else am I going to level up from that game? Hope? Snow? lol fuck that. If I got an SSB for one of them then sure but until then that game sucks and I don't care.

Garnet's event is mostly done too, just the two fights that don't net me MCs plus the bonus fights when they drop, so back to spending almost all of my stamina on farming until Thursday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 18, 2015, 02:46:54 PM
Finished Terra's event.  Used the same party throughout, just swapped out a few abilities.  Selphie, Balthier, Vivi, Terra, Tifa.  Tifa was strictly there to Pressure Point the Soul Savers, and used for Magic and Power breaking the next fights.

I had a little more trouble with

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e6/Ddragon_chirashi.jpg)

than other people are reporting, mainly due to Frost Dragon being a bitch before mitigation is up.  Really can't wait for Cloud's new RM, because an extra shot of MT healing at the beginning of a fight is going to make things ever so easy.

Oh, forgot to mention that I crafted Holy and Barrage.  So I only need Flare Strike to have all quests completed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 18, 2015, 03:51:57 PM
If you have Flare, then does that mean you passed up Meteor?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 18, 2015, 05:18:15 PM
Grinding experience with mage today.

Terra lv 57
Rina lv 53
The ff14 chick lv 53
Dagger lv 61
And ashe lv 51

Seeing as how I normally use physical fighters on sunday, this was my 1st all mage party.

It's going a lot more smooth then I thought!

I might use these chick's in stages and see how it goes.

Looking forward to that orb dungeon tonight, but I might start it Monday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 18, 2015, 07:23:05 PM
Sundaily results so far: level-capped Arc, Loserface is L60, Terra is L56, Ashe is L59, Vaan is L55. Now, to leave the game idling until Orbtoberfest sweeps in.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 18, 2015, 09:06:23 PM
If you have Flare, then does that mean you passed up Meteor?

Of course, quests >>> aoe nonelemental damage.

I don't miss it though, Quake is more than adequate.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 19, 2015, 01:49:54 AM
Hmm... I guess if you have proper mage weapons, then Quake would suffice.

I want to clear out the quests, but Flare is a long ways away unless Orbfest is particularly generous with 5* orbs. I can get Flare Strike and Holy now, but... why?

My current 5-star skills are Odin and Meteor, no regret!

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 19, 2015, 02:20:21 AM
Did the 25 mythril pull, got Golbez's Rune Axe and several 4-star armors that I had already.  Made a 6-star Hypno Crown.

I need Ashe and Celes weapon so I can run all front-row mage meta.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 19, 2015, 02:22:33 AM
Oh snap, Orbfest really -is- running alongside Lucky Draw? Fuck there goes my orb-grinding plans.

EDIT:
Did the Lucky Draw and got Garnet's Staff and Wakka's Official Ball! Holy shit~! Mage weapon~ Ranged weapon for my favorites~ I rescind all complaints.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 19, 2015, 02:28:29 AM
Yeah good thing I didn't spend 50 mythil on Terra's banner...

... shit
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 19, 2015, 02:32:11 AM
I love this event.

Got tidus' brotherhood, aeriths guard staff and...

Firions axe!

Not complaining. Ha!

The only thing that sucks is now tidus is one of my best units now. Ah well. Let's break firions lv cap now!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 19, 2015, 02:35:01 AM
I did the first 11-pull on the banner and, welp.

(http://i.imgur.com/ui1s3zL.jpg)

The second one was an Ice Whip. No complaints. Having both Boon -and- Lunatic High is kinda ridiculous, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 19, 2015, 03:06:40 AM
And despite it all, Snow -still- manages to have the best luck of us all...

Amusingly, of my two (!!) Mage weapons, my best Rod boosts MND and my best Staff boosts MAG.... Sucks for Rydia, Terra, Rinoa who can't equip my awesome new MAG-focused Staff...

22 Heroic runs:
1x 5* orb
26x 4* orbs
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 19, 2015, 03:39:27 AM
A neat thing about the Ice Whip is that it boosts Ice damage. It pretty much instantly shot Rydia to the top of my mage roster due to the high mag+elem boost in addition to Rydia now kicking ass. It's also going to be useful for Quistis, so I'm pretty okay with it in spite of the FF4 mage synergy redundancy. I love this festival already.

Also, do I keep Red as my RW or do I swap it to Sazh?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 19, 2015, 03:52:33 AM
I see the next few weeks will be a lot of this from now on.

In other news, wow the RNG is showering me in fire orbs. I've been getting at least 1-2 greater on each 30 stamina spent, and my dungeon run netted me a major. Nice. Hopefully Black Power day is just as kind. I may have Meteo soon.

EDIT: Is Boon the Shell/Haste SB (Good Time in JP)?  If so, jesus your mitigation SBs dude.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 19, 2015, 03:57:10 AM
And edgar will have 5* Engineering.... in like, uh, long-enough-for-you-to-be-sick-of-the-game months from now.

You would think so.  You would be wrong.

Also
Quote from: snowmage24/7blazebluit
ezpz just use mages plzy
Is still funny.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 19, 2015, 04:11:34 AM
EDIT: Is Boon the Shell/Haste SB (Good Time in JP)?  If so, jesus your mitigation SBs dude.

Yep. Boon = Good Time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 19, 2015, 04:20:14 AM
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 19, 2015, 04:34:22 AM
Use boon please.

Also, for shits and giggles I may change my rw to firion, unless asked otherwise.

Yuna Is nice, but she doesn't generate me any money. I never see firion, so maybe him being rate will net me more money? Dunno.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 19, 2015, 04:43:01 AM
I actually -use- your Yuna. If you switch to Firion, I most certainly will only be summoning you because we're bros.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 19, 2015, 04:44:06 AM
Yuna Is nice, but she doesn't generate me any money. I never see firion, so maybe him being rate will net me more money? Dunno.

Never play the stock market.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 19, 2015, 05:06:18 AM
Use boon please.

Also, for shits and giggles I may change my rw to firion, unless asked otherwise.

ST damage SBs are barrel-bottom in priority for RWs. You're probably raking in -less- money if you swap.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 19, 2015, 05:12:23 AM
Well djinn, you are the only one who uses yuan because at most I get 6 uses from other people with her.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 19, 2015, 05:24:20 AM
I used her while farming Belial!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 19, 2015, 05:41:32 AM
Yeah dude damage SBs sre terrible for RWs. As soon as I got my farming engine up to par I deleted all of mine that I followed. MT damage is only slightly less useless unless it also breaks the damage cap by being Multihit.

E: Dude. That's my second major orb from a daily TODAY. Third since they added the new tiers last week.

Edit: One more. Yeesh. If this isn't just pure bastard luck I have a feeling 5* skills will be almost mandatory for the most difficult battles from here on out…  I don't think I was getting this rate of Majors during the second orb fest even
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 19, 2015, 10:20:51 AM
Currently farming on the Orbfest. The rate of Greater/Major Orbs ain't so hot, but on some fiftern full runs, I already got a Major Black, two Greater Blacks, a Greater Dark and five Greater Lightnings. Also levelling up losers in the meantime - should have Loserface all the way up to L65 this morning even, while Strago/Mog/Maria/Galuf are all L38 at the time of this post. So much farming to do.

EDIT: Current tally for today so far:

1 Major Black Orb
8 Greater Lightning Orbs
2 Greater Black Orbs
2 Greater Dark Orbs

And a fuckton of 3* orbs. RNG lopsided much? This is far better than any farming I've ever done regardless. I feel this is a good opportunity to stock up on these in order to prepare for orb conversion, which might come by the end of the year.

Strago/Maria/Mog/Galuf are all L47, Loserface is level-capped and Rydia's almost there herself. Next up is Sazh, since I could also stand to master Boon. After Sazh, I'll probably bring Sephiroth and Squall to the fray, since I should prioritize the earlier MC2s.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 19, 2015, 06:17:32 PM
Still farming. My current loser crew is already at L49 and Sazh just mastered Boon. Got a couple more Greater Lightnings, Blacks and Darks among the way and a Major Lightning. I'm likely only doing refreshes on this phase and on Fire/Ice/Summon, since those are the highest-demand orbs. If the rate on Greater Orbs was a bit better, I'd refresh on the NE phase too, but it isn't, sooooo. Regardless, seems like I'll be able to immediately R3 Ruinga once I get it, which is a good start. -If- I get two more Major Lightnings, I'll be able to craft both Odin and Full Break as well, but not sure if I want to postpone honing it to R2 for this long. At least, I'll have a pretty wide array of PCs to saddle it with (seriously, what the heck is up with me having the three best support PC character relics?).

EDIT: Updated tally as of now:

1 Major Black Orb
1 Major Lightning Orb
13 Greater Lightning Orbs
5 Greater Black Orbs
4 Greater Dark Orbs

Still lopsided as fuck, but I'm close to recovering the Lightning Orbs I used for R4 Dismissal. Otherwise, Black and Dark Orbs are the ones I have the highest stock for, but I'll need it for Ruinga. Regardless, looking good. And I'm raking in obscene amounts of 3* orbs for the long-term.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 20, 2015, 12:00:01 AM
So, beat Terra's +++ fight last night.  Fight was a bit harder than Jo'ou led me to believe, and I had to reset several times.  Managed to lose only four medals instead of my usual 5/6 total for the championship.  Even though it was 40 stamina that could've gone towards the Orbfest...  Hey, free Major orbs out of that, too.  Works out well enough in the end.

Level broke Terra and Rydia, and working on getting Ricard to 50 for when I eventually pick up his MC.  Rinoa's at L63, Y'shtola's at 60, Cloud's at 65, and I've got various other 50-60 characters.

I haven't been keeping track like Jo'ou has, but I know that I've gotten at least 2 Major Orbs and 4ish Greater Orbs from the Orbfest so far.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on October 20, 2015, 05:09:40 AM

Quote from: tldr; this topic
  Fight was a bit harder than Jo'ou led me to believe
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 20, 2015, 05:13:46 AM

Quote from: tldr; this topic
  Fight was a bit harder than Jo'ou led me to believe
Because you are shit at games and don't have enough mage gear get fucking good you bad
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 20, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
Second day of farming. Six runs, six Greater Orbs so far (3 Lightning, 2 Dark, 1 Black). If this keeps up until phase 1 ends, I'll be able to hone Thundaja to R4 and that just may outprioritize R3 Ruinga.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 20, 2015, 10:58:06 AM
I'm at some uncountably high number of runs now and only one Major Orb. This is not the orb dispensing event I was hoping for. Despite that, a ton of my scrubs are now pushing 50, so it's more like a week of Sundaily rather than 4-star Orb Candy that I was expecting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 20, 2015, 11:35:21 AM
I've gotten nearly 30 Greater Orbs and 2 Majors, alongside more 3*s than I care to count over a single day of farming. That's certainly more than I'd ever dream gathering anywhere else. Those 3*s will also see future use once we finally get orb conversion, so there's a ton of good to grab from this. Levelling up people doesn't hurt either! Woohoo, I'll finally cap-break the likes of Ranger and Red Mage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 20, 2015, 12:28:44 PM
After yesterday's stupid luck with Major orbs (I think it was like 4 in one day? Admittedly I spent like 4-5 mythril) I blew like 6 more mythril on Black Power day today, and... much worse luck. One Major (so, you know, still GOOD luck, just, uh, worse) and like 20 greaters over the course of the day, unfortunately most of them power orbs (including the Major orb). Meteo is still outside of my grasp, though part of me wonders how much that spell will actually help at first at R1, and if I shouldn't just get Flare instead. See, at R1 Meteo is just a 9 mult MT spell, and if my plan with Meteo is to be able to use it to mythril-spend through MT bosses that give me trouble, then... Valefor fits the same niche, since my understanding is that ability charges are a flat +2 when you retry a boss fight after spending mythril. Granted, Terra has a higher Magic score than Yuna so it'd still be more effective on her.

Oh well, assuming no boost in RNG luck tonight or next weekend, I'm still at least two weeks out from getting either at the moment so whatever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 20, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
That ff6 +++ boss was cheese.

I even brought the wrong set up because I thought I was fighting both dragons at the same Tim and still won with ease.

1 fighter, 4 mages = win.

What is the saying?

Get good? You bad!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 20, 2015, 03:26:16 PM
hahahaha

fuck this game

gambling addiction set in and I spent another mythril before getting to work on preparing materials for my lessons tomorrow

2 EDIT: 2 MAJOR orbs (both Power mind you)

tl;dr 5 more mythril (total: 11) spent but now I have enough Greater Orbs (54) and Major orbs (5) to make Flare/Meteo, but now I'm gonna be up late preparing materials.

Worth... it???????????

no

EDIT: Actually yes because I'm getting a better Stamina/Mythril ROI for Greater/Major orbs than you guys are during y'alls freaking orb fest

feeling better than other people is at least feeling something
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 20, 2015, 03:44:07 PM
Final Fantasy Record Keeper, forging eternal bonds of friendship and building healthy working habits.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 20, 2015, 08:22:23 PM
Today's current tally for Orbfest:

7 Greater Lightning Orbs
6 Greater Dark Orbs
2 Greater Black Orbs
1 Major Lightning Orb
1 Major Dark Orb
1 Major Black Orb

Still getting less Greater Blacks than I want, but, at this juncture, I -may- be able to both get Ruinga to R3 and Thundaja to R4 by November. Also level-capped Sazh, Gladiator is L45, Ranger L42. Also working on Cecil (L54), Y'shtola (L64) and Snow (L52).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 20, 2015, 09:46:29 PM
I'm getting a decent amount of greater orbs but not a single major so far.  I've only seen Gigantaur twice, and both times he dropped a greater.

So, to continue the general theme of this topic, fuck you Snow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 21, 2015, 12:05:35 AM
So, to continue the general theme of this topic, fuck you Snow.

<3 you too.

Updated Orbfest Tally for the day:

9 Greater Lightning Orbs
8 Greater Dark Orbs
6 Greater Black Orbs

Major orbs remain the same.

Total tally so far:

2 Major Black Orbs
2 Major Lightning Orbs
1 Major Dark Orb
22 Greater Lightning Orbs
11 Greater Black Orbs
12 Greater Dark Orbs

Gladiator's about to hit the level cap and Ranger's L48, capped Y'shtola and am currently running Tellah as my healer. Things are going quite well!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 21, 2015, 01:18:03 AM
JP datamining has revealed references (https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/3phsb0/oct_chamber_of_the_abyss_memory_of_crushdown_jp/cw6ey2y) to Ramza and Agrias in the code for the latest update.

Also the latest gimmick boss has specific anti-Retaliate measures in its AI script, which is hilarious.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 21, 2015, 01:42:41 AM
The Golden Age is over. The dark times approach.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 21, 2015, 02:51:01 AM
DeNA just announced a new event being released for Global.

An FF7 event introducing SSBs.

DURING ORBFEST.

What.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 21, 2015, 05:08:54 AM
What? Aren't you excited to spend more money?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 21, 2015, 10:29:11 AM
The Cloud MC2 event is a lot shorter than your usual event, having ten dungeons and the bonus battles - and that was always the schedule anyway. I'm likely just spending a couple Mythril to rush through the event and go back to Orbfest, since I can use it to level Barret anyway and he's needed for a couple target scores. I wouldn't pull for Organics unless you're -desperate- for mage gear or have a lot of Mythril/gems to burn, though: it comes back in less than two months in the SSBfest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 21, 2015, 01:44:37 PM
Progress!

Firion is at 50, got Terra and flower girl to 64.

I like to give them wiggle room just in case I need them to lv up in a boss rush or something.

Currently leveling:

Eiko
Rinoa
Ashe
Gladiator
And Kain's pappy.

I've gotten a lot of major orbs. Even had to mbo drop in one fight.

Think I have gotten 3 of each so far? I really haven't been keeping count.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 21, 2015, 01:53:53 PM
Good luck continues, got a MLO today. Considering I won't be spending MLO, MIO, and MSOs on anything else, That should have me at R2 Full Break by... January, discounting event rewards.

When I put it that way it's really discouraging.

Still debating my choices. One option, if I'm going purely for options to blow mythril on Divine Bosses and aiming for boosting my ability charges via that, is get Flare and then also get Bahamut. I'd never actually be able to R2 Bahamut due to lack of a Summon day, but that is an option.

Tomorrow's White Power day and I'm still not hurting for orbs, so time to wrap up Garnet's event. If I think I have a shot of winning IIF I make Flare I think I'll bite the bullet and do it.

They also introduced the +6 Combat skill today, so I should probably finally dive into the Ultima dungeons and do those. You can't convert Crystals from gems and vice versa, and they're only given as quest rewards for Divine fights, so it's gonna be a loooooong time before I have it, but meh gotta start somewhere. At least in this arena I'm on pace with everyone else since the skills were introduced while I was playing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 21, 2015, 02:28:10 PM
Today, I'm not doing refreshes in order to not utterly burn out - and I'll probably only do more refreshes on Phase 3, since none of the other orb types are that high in demand for me. And then, the game promptly handed me two more Majors this morning. Already at 25 GLOs, 67 GBOs and 65 GDOs on the inventory. If I get one more Major Lightning, I'll be able to craft both Full Break -and- Odin, but not sure if I want to make that commitment. Meanwhile, I'm seven Major Earth Orbs away from honing Meteor to R2. Nutsy.

Currently levelling Bard and Red Mage alongside Tellah, Cecil and Snow. Once Cecil caps, Snow'll be my Knight bot (seriously, Draw Fire is pretty good at helping those low-level loser Cores stay alive).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 21, 2015, 03:58:20 PM
Jumped back in to take advantage of the half-price 11x draws. My first pulled just one five-star, an Oak Staff, but a bunch of four-stars that are making the already-trivial earlygame stuff even more so. Got 45 Mithril saved so I can do another pull when the next phase starts, and in the meantime I'm working my way through the World of Balance to maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe get Terra because the enemy levels get too high for me to cheese.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 21, 2015, 04:13:09 PM
Oak Staff is the best black mage rod in the current metagame. Highest MAG and Vivi's still one of the best mages in the fray. That thing served me crazy well for months and it just keeps on giving. Also, definitely attempt getting Terra, she's really good and the end Classic dungeon's actually pretty easy to handle once you have -ras and levels around 25 or so.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 21, 2015, 04:31:03 PM
Thundaga (my only -aga, but you don't really need more than one at level 22) powered by the Oak Staff is currently ripping apart everything Rydia points it at, so yeah, I'm not expecting too many problems at this point. My main need is more good orbs so I can hone the thing. If only there was an orb event going on right now OH WAIT.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 21, 2015, 05:12:41 PM
Still doing minute farming. Last run gave me a Greater Black and a Greater Dark, so the total tally is inching closer to average across the board after the insane lopsidedness of Greater Lightnings in the first two days. Today's highlight was running into five Gigantuars, two of them in a row. Can't wait until phase 2 kicks in for the next 25-mythril draw.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 21, 2015, 06:01:54 PM
*Progresses further in FF6*

*Sees "Orthos" as the next boss fight*

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS NONSENSE
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 21, 2015, 06:07:48 PM
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ORTHROS NONSENSE

Yes, it's unforgivable.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 21, 2015, 06:25:56 PM
Especially considering that they looked up FF7 typoes like Touph Ring.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 21, 2015, 09:02:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTix6t5jXpE#t=9m10s
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 21, 2015, 10:12:17 PM
Yeah, Orthros thing will always remain weird.  After they got through that phase with FF12 (which wasn't him but an homage) and FF1 Dawn of Souls, it seemed to imply "ok, they realize people think of him as Ultros!" with FF6a, FF13-2, Chibirhythm and FF14ARR...

...then this happens.  You'd think with, you know, a WHOLE SERVER NAMED AFTER HIM on FF14, they'd have bothered to say "by the way, his name is Ultros" like they did with characters such as Terra, Edward, and Sabin, but nope.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 21, 2015, 10:54:37 PM
Okay, I'm done with Phase 1 of the Orbfest, saving my stamina for phase 2 + Cloud event to minimize refreshes. Rough final tally:

3 Major Black Orbs
3 Major Lightning Orbs
3 Major Dark Orbs
28 Greater Lightning Orbs
27 Greater Black Orbs or so
26 Greater Dark Orbs or so

This was the most important phase to me, so I'm pretty satisfied with the results - and indeed, the tallies eventually creeped back into a balanced total. I still need 17 Greater Lightnings to hone Thundaja to R4, but those should come 'round early November at worst, and there's always the possibility of R4ing Firaja instead depending on the results given by phase 3, which is my -other- refresh phase. This said, I can both hone a R3 -ja to R4 -and- R3 Ruinga with my current stash, which is great shakes. I also have overkill orbs for Full Break crafting tonight, so there's that. Let's see what phase 2 brings to the table. With luck, I might be able to score both R4 Diaga and R3 Ruinga.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 22, 2015, 02:29:03 AM
Next Lucky Pull got me Thancred's Ninja Chainmail, which is nice because I wanted another 5-star light armor.  Also made a 6-star FF13 bangle.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 22, 2015, 02:30:27 AM
Come on dena.

More power vests?

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 22, 2015, 02:36:25 AM
Got Masamune and Kotetsu from the Lucky Relic draw this phase. Because the new FF7 event wasn't easy enough, apparantly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 22, 2015, 02:49:53 AM
This draw was sorta disappointing. Only got a Brotherhood from it. Could be worse, though: a character relic is a character relic and I'm -weirdly- low on natural 5* swords (only that Zantetsuken and Lightning's Blazefire Saber). I'll make do. Doesn't hurt that FFX synergy is great to have around. HILARIOUSLY, this draw also gave me yet another Warrior's Sword, so now I have a 4++* FFX synergy sword as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 22, 2015, 03:55:53 AM
Didn't see the pre-edit post, I think we can safely assume it was

FUCKING SWRODS??? WORST DAY EVER *Smiths song*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 22, 2015, 04:55:15 AM
Lucky Draw: Zero.

Cloud banner dollar pull: fuckin Barret's gun arm. Well at least now my dreams of having Tyro cosplay Megaman will finally come true~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 22, 2015, 06:47:23 AM
Finally saved up the 25 mythril to get a lucky pull. Let's see where the wind takes me. I wonder who I'll wind up having to stick into my party, replacing one of my longtime members, like Cloud, or Josef, or Golbez.

....and I get a Rune Axe.

Well.

Suddenly things are really different. Clearly Golbez just stays in my party forever and ever. It feels absurd using someone other than him for black magic right now, though, since most people are now comparatively terrible at it. Uh.... Guess I need to look for a white mage and a support character (or someone who does both) to stuff in in place of Ashe.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 22, 2015, 06:52:47 AM
Finally saved up the 25 mythril to get a lucky pull. Let's see where the wind takes me. I wonder who I'll wind up having to stick into my party, replacing one of my longtime members, like Cloud, or Josef, or Golbez.

....and I get a Rune Axe.

Well.

Suddenly things are really different. Clearly Golbez just stays in my party forever and ever. It feels absurd using someone other than him for black magic right now, though, since most people are now comparatively terrible at it. Uh.... Guess I need to look for a white mage and a support character (or someone who does both) to stuff in in place of Ashe.

Congrats on graduating from diapers to big boy weapons
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 22, 2015, 07:12:51 AM
Hey, there IS a character that suits my needs of being able to equip bows, do decent damage, have at least 3 stars of white magic, and 3 stars of support. Welcome to the team, Cecil.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 22, 2015, 10:18:21 AM
Didn't see the pre-edit post, I think we can safely assume it was

FUCKING SWRODS??? WORST DAY EVER *Smiths song*

Correct.

Anyhow, done with Cloud event until Saturday, when the bonus battles go up. It -was- indeed very easy, but that's how it goes with abridged FF7 events. Also, I can't emphasize enough how trivial Jenova LIFE is  if you have a honed Stop. If you don't, uh, she has OHKO-level damage.

Currently back to farming orbs and monies. Two Greater Holies and a Greater Earth in the stash already. Maybe I should put Barret in Sephiroth's place to prepare him for the bonus battles.

EDIT: You got Golbez's Rune Axe, VSM? Nice, he's quite a capable mage with that. I don't bother with the theoretical front row niche with him, though, his Attack sucks and he's a lot more interesting as a tanky spellcaster. Even with hats he takes hits quite well this way.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 22, 2015, 10:55:18 AM
My second 11X draw gave me Yoshimitsu and some more 4 star weapons. So now my entire team has 5 star and 4 star weaponry but still mainly 3 star armor, which would be why I beat Motor Ball with only Cloud left alive. I do have three Golden Armors (the three-star FF6 variety) and a crapton of scarletite/adamantite, so maybe I'll go on a combining spree.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 22, 2015, 11:31:40 AM
Cleared up through Freya's +++ battle, the airship. Really easy, actually. I only needed one charge of SG to get through the fight, though I used the second just in case something stupid happened like my whole party got hit with confuse last second.  Party was

Freya (Blind Buster R3, Wind Jump R4), Weakness x 1.2
Terra (Armor Breakdown R2, Waterja R4) Dualcast
Faris (Full Break R1, Dual Delay R5) Start: Haste
Aeris (Strongwater R3, Diaga R3) Rods->Mind UP
Mog (Protectga R2, Curaja R3) Heal x 1.2
RW: SG

Maaaaan I severely underestimated Mog's SB when I first got it, partially due to illiteracy making me not realize it raised physical defense as well, but that regen+mitigation is NICE for mostly physical fights.  With full mitigation on top of it (SG, Protectga) it more than covers any scrapes and frees mog up to get in some (ok still pretty weak) hits in.  Had a couple resets thanks to Photon + Confusion proccing poorly early in the fight but once I got Blind+Slow up it was just a matter of keeping my buffs updated.

I am considering switching my RW back to Mog in tribute.

Anywho

Looking at videos of the Divine fight, I may actually be able to crack this one. It doesn't have that much more HP than the +++ fight, is ST, and mostly physical. HMMMM I WONDER WHO I HAVE WHO MAKES PHYSICAL BOSSES EZ.

could it be mog

it may be mog guys

Wind Jump (probably on Gilgamesh) takes care of the gimmick + hits weakness, and if I farm out Ice orb day I could get Blizzaja to R3 and Blizzaga to R4, and yeah. So I think I'll go

Terra (Blizzaga, Blizzaja) Dualcast
Gilgy (Wind Jump, ??????) Weakness x1.2
Faris (Full Break, Power Breakdown) Start: Haste
Aeris (Strongwater, Curaga) Rod->Mind UP
Mog (Protectga, Curaja) Heal x1.2

For Gilgamesh's second attack, I got some options. I could hone Ice Jump, or potentially a second Wind Jump. The EX++ battle handed me a Drain Jump ability that could be nice if I can hone it, but it's 4* and my Greater orb reserves are tied up in other stocks. The EX+++ battle also just handed me a 5* Dragoon ability, that depending on how useful it is may make the case for using Freya instead of Gilgamesh so I can use that (the level difference makes that pretty unappealing though).

We'll see how things go once my stamina recharges enough to try it.

---

In other news, the next event is an FF2 event. Ewww. At least I can take my FF2 scrubs in to get their RM2s there. Sigh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 22, 2015, 12:00:56 PM
My second 11X draw gave me Yoshimitsu and some more 4 star weapons. So now my entire team has 5 star and 4 star weaponry but still mainly 3 star armor, which would be why I beat Motor Ball with only Cloud left alive. I do have three Golden Armors (the three-star FF6 variety) and a crapton of scarletite/adamantite, so maybe I'll go on a combining spree.

Yeeeeeah, about that, I'd recommend following as many mitigation RWs as you possibly can (Sentinel's Grimoire, Lunatic High, Boon are the biggest. Neph and Djinn have SG, I have both LH and Boon, currently running Boon. By the way, what's your friend code?), because defense buffing is crazy potent in this game. Crafting and honing Break skills once you can will also help until you have the orbs to craft Protectga and Shellga and even beyond. Good armor -helps-, but investing on your mitigation will do wonders for your longterm survivability.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 22, 2015, 12:35:13 PM
Iiiiiiiinteresting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 22, 2015, 01:12:11 PM
Hahaha.... so, I do a 50 pull on the FFIX banner after realizing I'm really not gonna care about FF2 synergy unless the rewards literally give me a blow job (r2 full break), and get... a 5* ribbon that lets me cast Protectga as an SB.

I feel like my options for this fight just opened up a whoooooole lot. Like, throw the ribbon on Faris, Ditch Protectga, give Wind Jump to Mog, swap in Gilgy for Zack, Hone Aera Spellblade to R3-4, and give him Indoor Spell so I can use his SSB (same effect as Dismissal plus 3 ranged hits) just became a viable, potentially very attractive option. Would be more attractive if Zach was at level 65, and actually if I don't end up winning with that that would probably be the reason. When I do my fact finding attempt at the fight in a bit I'll see how well SG+Power Breakdown serves as mitigation for the time I wouldn't have access to protectga.

EDIT: Yeah, Snow's 1000% right about mitigation being important. Like, half of my planning ends up being, "Can I afford to ditch mitigation or healing in order to squeeze out enough damage out of my skills to kill the boss before I run out of charges" and the answer has always been "lol no are you stupid"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 22, 2015, 01:25:10 PM
Iiiiiiiinteresting.

Oh yeah, breaks work on bosses too. Resistance (which doesn't get common until the really hard fights, which you're a ways away from) reduces their effect, but they still work. By -that- point, though, you're expected to use their upgraded versions (Breakdowns). Some of our friend codes (including the ones I mentioned) are on Neph's top post, follow ahead.

EDIT: more farming. Levelling Barret. Last run netted me two Greater Earths and a Greater White. The two I don't really have much use for anymore (particularly now that I have R4 Pound). Sigh. Oh well, I have Full Break crafted at last.

Also, Zenny: Mog only has 2** Jump, so he can't equip Wind Jump. REGARDLESS, Protectga/Shellga generic SBs are quite nice for opening up your options.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 22, 2015, 01:40:15 PM
Full break isn't a reward for this ff7 event?

...anyways...

2nd phase, 25 mith pull.

Got Vanille and WOL relics.

That gives me two relics from realms Dena doesn't give 2 shits about.

Also, I have 4 summoners relics now... if you count vanille!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 22, 2015, 01:50:33 PM
Vanille's getting reissued next week with a shiny new MC for your troubles, so you're in luck! Warrior of Light, though, can't help you with.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 22, 2015, 01:51:28 PM
Also, Zenny: Mog only has 2** Jump,

:(

my plans
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 22, 2015, 02:16:31 PM
Vanille's getting reissued next week with a shiny new MC for your troubles, so you're in luck! Warrior of Light, though, can't help you with.

Yeah, I figured Vanille was going to break the cap soon.

The other relic I was referring to was firions. Ha

So, that gives me 3 main character relic weapons...1,2,10

Because, why not. 3/13
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 22, 2015, 02:34:13 PM
Also, Zenny: Mog only has 2** Jump,

:(

my plans

By the way, do you have the "start dungeon with one level of SB gauge" Record Materias given by cap-breaking Cloud and Loserface twice? I figure you wouldn't spend those precious MC tokens on those two, but doesn't hurt to ask. If you have that, you could entirely forgo that Protectga slot anyway with Mog's SB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 22, 2015, 02:40:56 PM
Vanille's getting reissued next week with a shiny new MC for your troubles, so you're in luck! Warrior of Light, though, can't help you with.

Yeah, I figured Vanille was going to break the cap soon.

The other relic I was referring to was firions. Ha

So, that gives me 3 main character relic weapons...1,2,10

Because, why not. 3/13

When you say you have FFX's main character's weapon... are you referring to Tidus or Yuna?


@VSM: I see you're using the Cecil bros. Clearly I must use the Figaro Bros in retaliation!


Created Full Break! Created Holy! No Regrets club!

That gives me four 5* abilities. I feel like a JP player.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 22, 2015, 03:09:25 PM
I actually have tidus and yunas relics.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 22, 2015, 03:42:47 PM
GHOST EDIT: No, I don't. I am seriously considering cap breaking Cloud for that, however.

Welp, learned a few things.

With this new SB, I don't necessarily need Protectga. Getting through the first phase before I got my SB bar filled did take 5-6 S/Ls, but that is something that can be savescummed through. Once the battle got started, my buff SBs were being cycled through pretty regularly and I don't think either of them were ever down. When I lost this match, I didn't lose because he was dealing too much damage. I lost because I couldn't keep the dragon down, and when I ran out of jumps I couldn't deal damage to him. He was at about 50% life. Given my total lack of ranged damage aside from magic, which gets halved while the boss is in the air, I'm gonna NEED at least 20 shots of jump. Gilgamesh is in, gonna hone regular jump to R5 for my next attempt.

That having been said, I'm still in want of damage. Not only did I go though my 8 jumps, but all my breakdowns were gone and I had blown through my R3+R4 Blizzajagas. Admittedly, some of them were pretty much wasted because the boss flew into the air and halved the damage (2500 vs. 5000 on Blizzaga, 5000 vs 8000 on Blizzaja), but the difference doesn't add up enough to have knocked the boss down.

Now, I NEED ice damage for mastery. For some reason I don't quite understand, my ice SB doesn't proc weakness but instead gets defended against, which is complete BS but whatever. So, no, I can't just get a second round of wind jumps/aera strikes and call it good. And, if I'm not going for Mastery, then why am I bothering? The real reward is the Fire Crystal, after all.

Stemming from that, I have a few options, all of which involve blowing my EXP eggs on a Level 50 character, of which I have enough to level up only one.

1) Swap Faris for Freya (Power BD, Wind Jump R3-4 or Jump R5)

Benefits:

A) No farming Ice Orbs. Terra staying in the fight means I can just use my Normal Wind Orbs to make a damaging Jump instead of farming Saturday when I've got shit to do, people to see and places to be.
B) Two characters staggering jumps means the Silver Dragon won't be flying back into the air for the majority of the fight, keeping Terra's damage up to par.
C) I get rid of a character who deals almost no damage at all during the fight relatively in exchange for someone who will be dealing constant damage.

Downsides:

A) I have to have Faith AND Strongwater for this to be viable. That's a valuable skill slot that could go to Diaga, or more healing.
B) No real damaging SBs. Most tutorial videos kinda rely on having some burst damage like this and this team has none of it.
C) No Full Break, which will make the initial phase without Protectga all the more save-scummy. This is honestly the thing I think makes this setup unviable more than anything else.

Possible Tweaks:

I could spend Friday Night/Saturday morning blowing mythril to get Ice Jump and ditch Terra, freeing up the Faith Skill Slot and letting me keep Full Break.
Also potentially lets me put the 5* Jump Skill, Armor BD, or something else on Freya.  This is basically exchanging damage for durability, though, but it may be necessary.

2. Swap Terra for Zack (Indoor Spell, Blizzara Strike), Slap a crap bow on Faris since she's not dealing damage anyway

Benefits:

A) Air Strike, Air Strike, Air Strike: This is my only damage SSB, and it's pretty dang good. It's basically free (RANGED! ... pretty important for this fight) Dismissal that hits for about 9-10k damage.
B) Keep Full Break no matter what, boosting my durability in the early part of the fight when I'm still kinda frail.
C) Frees up the Faith skill slot for Diaga on Aerith, or something else if that ends up sucking

Downsides:

A) Absolutely have to farm on Saturday and spend mythril if I want to pull this off, and as I said I have places to be this weekend. I can still do it if I'm up Friday night, though, which may well be the case. Ain't doin' shit then.
B) Faris is still doing basically nothing but being a sponge/protectga battery once her charges of PBD and FB are gone, meaning it takes longer to deal the damage I need to deal. Air Strike mitigates this to a degree but no you don't win wars of attrition in this game.
C) I WILL have to pay attention to liftoff timings since only one person Jumping cannot keep Silver Dragon grounded the entire fight.

Possible Tweaks:

Instead of Diaga, give Aerith Blizzaga for the sole purpose of mastery reqs and hone Aera Strike instead. Don't know how many castings I can squeeze out but the damage shouldn't be too much less.

3. Swap both FARIS and Terra out for Zack/Freya

Benefits:

A) Two people jumping to keep SD grounded,
B) three people hitting weaknesses that get buffed by the same spell (Strongwater),
C) Air Strike,
D) Drain Strike/Drain Dive taking pressure off healers
E) AND I probably have room for Diaga.

Downsides:

A) No Full Break,
B) Farming Saturday
C) Farming Sunday to get both Z&F up to 65

Basically if I could guarantee I'd have R3-4 Ice Jump (R4 Aera Strike or second R4 Wind Jump are both basically guaranteed) by the end of Saturday, and both Freya and Jon SnowZach to 65 by the end of Sunday, I think this is the way to go. Otherwise, one of the other options will have to do.

Please let me know if my decisions are faulty or I'm missing something. I have a feeling that I can actually beat this one but it's going to take some preparation and I want to make sure I'm not overlooking something/fundamentally misunderstanding something.

EDIT: I meant Swap FARIS and Terra out for Freya/Zack. Aerith is kind of a lock regardless of strategy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 22, 2015, 05:21:13 PM
I honestly like 3 best. Full Break is only 3* break-level stat busting and its biggest perk is stacking with breakdowns. At R1, to boot, it doesn't sound all that decisive and you need the extra damage. EDIT: Also, on Aerith + Blizzaga: hitting weakness, it has a higher effective mult than Diaga (9.8x against 8.5x) -and- can be Faith-boosted (Faith only raises MAG, not MND, which is the stat Diaga runs off). However, her Magic score is -considerably- lower than her Mind, so you may want to run some calcs first. THAT SAID, it could either mean freeing an ability slot or a -fourth- person hitting weakness at worst. Sounds worth a shot mixing and matching strats.

It's a pity you don't have ranged weapons worth a damn, though, ranged Spellbladers like Bartz, Balthier and Lightning sound like a godsend for that fight.

EDIT: using Rallying Etude instead of Water of Strength could mean slightly better action efficiency (MT ATK boosting!), but it's 15%+ ATK to Water of Strength's what? 30% boost? That's a huge drop (unlike Mana's Paean's 15% vs. Faith's 20% for MAG).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 23, 2015, 01:18:55 AM
Mm, yeah after sleeping on it I agree 3 is best.

In addition to being a huge drop in buff, that also means I would have to swap out Aerith for Kefka, and… yeah, I can't really swing that. If I don't have Protectga from the outset, Ineed her MT healing to keep my head above water.

As far as Diaga vs. Blizzaga, Aerith only has 3* BM IIRC so Diaga's mult is actually higher before applying weakness.  What's the weakness mult, anyway? 2x?

Edit: Doy, Drain jump means no Power BD, which yeah I kinda need. I'll probably run two cure spells

Edit 2:  Based on this feedback, I think today after work I'm gonna blow eggs on Zack, swap Faris out for him, and try with Terra running PBD and Blizzaja. It's not as good as Option 3, but I looked at my work schedule and I'm not gonna have a lot of time on Monday to mix and match, so I'll make due today.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 23, 2015, 01:31:53 AM
Weakness is 2x. Blizzaga is 4.9x normally, with weakness, it goes to 9.8. Diaga is 8.5 and doesn't hit weakness in this fight. It's not a -menial- difference, but does feel like something that may by overcome by the Mind/Mag gap, since Aerith Mag just isn't special for a mage while her Mind is very good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 23, 2015, 04:21:05 AM
So what does the team you've actually decided on look like? You've swapped it so many times, I'm not sure which five you're using.


On the grinding front:
Maxed at 65: Tyro, Aerith, Sephiroth, Squall, Rinoa, Selphie, Garnet, Vivi, Eiko, Tidus, Yuna, Wakka, Balthier, Lightning

Over 60 (aka Sweetspot between Useful and "Not Wasting EXP": Cloud*, WOL, DKCecil, PalCecil, Rydia, Tellah, Terra, Tifa, Zack, Auron, Vaan, Fran, Sazh, Thancred

Over 50 (aka "Got their RMs" or "Needs work to become Useful"): BM, RM, WM, SUM, RNG, BRD, GLD, Gordon, Ricard, Josef, Cyan, Irvine, Kimahri, ~ Luneth, Arc, Refia, Kain, Golbez, Sabin, Edgar, Quistis, Ashe, Snow, Y'shtola

50 or Within Egging distance of 50 for when their Crystal comes out: Dragoon, Ninja, Maria, Galuf, Lenna, Locke, Red XIII, Steiner, Vanille

Needs leveling before Orbfest ends: SAM, DRK, Spellblade, Firion, Leon, Edward, Mog, Strago, Barret, Zell

That's 21 possible characters to bother leveling during Orbfest. Not including Cloud, who once he level-breaks, I need to get as much EXP in him as possible. Level 80 is going to murder the next few Events. (Or it'll require it, either way I want it sooner rather than later...)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 23, 2015, 06:48:14 AM
I thought this was the level 80 Cloud crystal, but when I grabbed it, it said "You already have this" and converted to a growth egg.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 23, 2015, 09:50:08 AM
Cloud's MC2 is a bonus battle reward. The Jenova Life ++, more precisely. So, it's coming on Saturday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 23, 2015, 12:44:11 PM
So what does the team you've actually decided on look like? You've swapped it so many times, I'm not sure which five you're using.

Gilgy (Jump, Wind Jump)
Zack (Drain Blade, Aera Strike)
Terra (Power BD, Blizzaga)
Aerith (Water of Strength, Curaga)
Mog (Faith, Curaja)
Stonera skin

Is the combination I'm currently S/Ling. I actually got really close (3/5HP, 5 charges of Wind Jump and 3 Aera Strikes left, buffs up, then the moment Power BD lapsed the fucker used Twister 3 times and wiped out my party... which Re-raise helped with, but re-raise doesn't keep your buffs so I was fucked the next round which also was a Twister attack.

This setup is pretty viable, but relies a lot on luck to get through. I have a couple of tweaks I can try (notably, I forgot to feed Zack eggs before going into battle, and amazingly it's still viable), namely giving Gilgamesh 2 Wind Jumps instead of 1 and swapping Drain Blade (which is not really that good here... may be better if Zack was L65) for Indoor Spell, but I think I've got a solid chance of doing it with this build. Saturday Orb Farming may get me R3 Blizzaja, though the better option is still to swap out Terra for Freya and get Ice Jump.

I'm pretty confident that if I don't get this tonight I'll get it Sunday night for sure. I am unreasonably happy about that.

EDIT: Looooool. I ran out of gas RIGHT at the last second. I had just a little bit of HP left and then no more Aera Strikes or Wind Jumps...

BUT I FUCKIN' DID IT. Hell yeah. No mastery though. If I hadn't run out of gas, I'd have gotten it.  I think I'm still gonna feed Zack eggs and make some tweaks and get mastery tonight. In the meantime, fuck yes first Divine battle beaten. I'm unreasonably pumped.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 23, 2015, 01:19:10 PM
On your setup: I think Lifesiphon is a better idea than Drain Strike because

a) burst damage. You already pointed out you need that. Zack's second SB isn't -that- hot on offense, but its mult is good enough and it's multihit, which is the big draw.
b) turn cancel. Gives you much needed breathing room, especially if you can save up multiple gauges of SB.
c) actually slightly higher damage than Drain Strike even before factoring in the SB building over time. 1.8x vs. 1.7x mult.
d) Drain Strike needs equipment realm synergy or buffing better than Water of Strength for its healing to really pay off.

Only question mark is really how honed your Lifesiphon is, since, even at R3, you might end up having issues keeping it up long enough? Sounds like it needs at least two hones to really shine longterm.

This said, I think you can pull it off at this point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 23, 2015, 01:29:32 PM
Oh, didn't see this post before I edited. Yeah, I beat it, and I basically agree. Lifesiphon would have been way better than Drain Strike, as would Zack not being L55 (Oops. >_>), as would having a second Wind Jump instead of Jump (5000 vs. 2000 while Silver Dragon is in the air, 9000 vs. 5000 while grounded.

That having been said, in the winning run Drain Strike was useful when SD was being a dick and MT-hitting me while Aeris was between SB charges. Still, more Turn Cancels makes that less of an issue overall.

I do think I'm going to make those tweaks and get mastery tonight, though. The only reason I didn't get it this time was that I ran out of gas riiiiiiight at the end, and swapping out Jump for Wind Jump and Drain Strike for Life Siphon should more than make up the difference.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 23, 2015, 01:47:43 PM
Is Drainra Strike not a thing yet in JP?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 23, 2015, 01:51:16 PM
Not as far as I can tell? The really good JP Excel doc doesn't list it, and I'm in battle at the moment going for mastery so I can't check. The only 4* Drain spells are Drainga (BM) and Drain Dive (Dragoon)

EDIT: Oooh yeah, I should have this one in the bag. Levelling Zack brought his Aera Strike damage from 5500 to 7500. Unnf.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 23, 2015, 02:15:31 PM
Ooh, shiny new Cactuar summon! I don't care that it sucks, I loves me some summons... <3
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 23, 2015, 02:17:10 PM
Look at me being the worst human being ever.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 23, 2015, 02:28:16 PM
jesus christ why

The only reason I'm saving that piece of junk is converting it back to orbs once the mechanic becomes available.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 23, 2015, 02:35:49 PM
FUCK. Beat it with everyone alive, but did not get mastery because I took too many turns. :(

Gonna farm Ice orbs after midnight tonight and try to get enough for R3 Blizzaja, and Swap Strongwater from Aeris to Mog and give Aeris Faith. Mog ends up having way more free turns than Aeris since her SB is clutch as opposed to something that just needs refreshing toward the end. Those two things should net me mastery on Sunday for sure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 23, 2015, 03:15:39 PM
You play for your reasons, I'm gonna keep catching 'em all~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 23, 2015, 04:14:12 PM
Second phase 2 day, I already got a Major Orb! ... it's another Major White. Useless. In fact, I only got four Greater Holy Orbs so far, all the rest has been Greater Earth and Greater White. There just isn't much I need to use those on (R4 Quake isn't really an idea with Ruinga in tow and the only real GW demands are Diaga, which I only need to hone once more eventually, and Curaja, which is a lot later down the line for actual usefulness). Oh well, not like I was expecting a lot out of this phase. Tomorrow shall be more fruitful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 23, 2015, 04:14:43 PM
Hey, I'm just glad to finally have a summon.

Also, I went back to the Midgar Highway fight with Boon and got the mastery. Yay!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 23, 2015, 04:19:46 PM
You play for your reasons, I'm gonna keep catching 'em all~
I am here to crush your dreams and show you how much better I am.  Bow down bitches.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 23, 2015, 04:28:47 PM
In a shocking twist, I'm actually doing much better on lucky orb drops than Snow today, it seems. I've gotten 6 Major Orb drops today despite not using any refreshes AND squeezing in the last two fights of the Cloud event today.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 23, 2015, 04:44:11 PM
Once again, all of your luck falls on completely useless things. When SSBs become common in Global you'll get them frequently but only for really crap characters. And only damage SSBs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 23, 2015, 05:25:19 PM
The silver lining is that I -was- in serious shortage of 3* White Orbs, so when the event ends, I'll be able to get stuff like R4 Mana's Paean/Reflect/Berserk/Silencega. Still need Phase 4 to replenish my nearly dry Power Orb stock, though. Silver lining #2 is having an absolutely insane amount of Holy and Earth Orbs to convert with in the long term. If the new UI comes up by December, R2 Meteor may be a reality relatively soon.

In other news, Red Mage's almost L50 and Bard's L48. Let's see who is next on the list of units to level up...

*Sees L1 Leon.*
*Sees L1 Zell.*
*Sees L1 Edward.*
*Sees L1 Spellblade.*
*Sees L1 DARK KNIGHT.*

... help.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 23, 2015, 06:56:39 PM
Edward's not terrible!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 23, 2015, 07:30:38 PM
Edward's problem for me is mainly me not having a proper weapon for him (did you know Bards can sing with daggers!?). He's certainly going to be far less painful than BARD to level and, at worst, I can have him spamming Rallying Etude/Mana's Paean, but not knowing when will I be able to cap-break him is a complete bummer. Bard and Support 5 off an acceptable stat spread once he's levelled honestly isn't a bad set for a utility character. DARK KNIGHT, though, is just completely awful.

As for levelling, done with Red Mage, Barret's L38 and I started levelling NINJA. I should cap off Bard by tonight. Also got another Greater Holy in my last run alongside a Greater Earth, so I'm somewhat happy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 23, 2015, 08:02:10 PM
Now taking bets on whether this topic will be larger than What Games Are You Playing before year's end.

If this separate topic was started the first time it was suggested I don't think it would have even been close.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 23, 2015, 08:18:49 PM
RKDL: it is happening.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 23, 2015, 10:01:31 PM
We celebrate our little achievements in this game way harder. Whereas WGAYP seems to have more comprehensive updates. Like, if you look at the things ID just was posting, that represents 10s of hours of gameplay. Whereas we talk about our daily shenanigans multiple times each in here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 24, 2015, 02:46:39 AM
Well, posting strategies and theorycraft is probably a more constructive use of topic space, but celebrating the little victories is fun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 24, 2015, 03:06:51 AM
Theorycraft is great and all, but it only really applies when there's new content out, and not every event dungeon is interesting. Check in late tomorrow night, when we'll have a third Lucky Draw phase and +++ battles.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 24, 2015, 07:48:59 PM
Brought my A-team to the Jenova Life event stage since I heard horror stories of her OHKOing people with her long range physical and man, is it weird to have Aerith's theme playing in the background while Aerith is in your party for the fight. For extra weirdness, I had Cloud equip Masamune for the fight since Seph's still L45 for me.

Also Aerith got the first move thanks to random ATB and kept Jenova Stop-locked for the entire duration.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 24, 2015, 08:03:37 PM
Gladiator is lv capped.

Leveling dragoon, samurai, barret, strago, and quistis.

Finished eiko, rinoa, Terra,  aeries, and ricard.

Need to lv mog, magic knight, knight, dark knight, and Maria.

Haven't gotten many major orbs this phase. I think only one so far.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 24, 2015, 09:58:19 PM
Finished my phase 2 runs, didn't bother counting orbs this time since I don't care for the available spoils much. Guaranteeing immediate R3 Ruinga and a decent spare stash for R4 Diaga soonish was nice, though. Maybe I'll hone Curaja a bit once I finally get R4 Ruinga. Level-capped and cap-broke Red Mage, Bard and Barret (fed a couple eggs to the latter). I'm ready for Cloud's bonus battles and phase 3 of the Orbfest for sure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 24, 2015, 11:51:11 PM
Also Aerith got the first move thanks to random ATB and kept Jenova Stop-locked for the entire duration.

This is the real reason why Sephiroth killed her personally.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 25, 2015, 01:30:02 AM
So Final Fantasy Brave Exvius Brave Frontier: Final Fantasy Flavored! came out in Japan just recently, so I decided to bite the bullet and open up a JP iTunes account to test it out. It's a cute game, but the freemium elements are somehow even more awfully-designed than FFRK's. Sigh...

While there, I picked up FFRK JP to also play around with that.

Man, they are exceedingly kind to new players. Free 50x Mythril and a beginner 11-pull with an extra guaranteed 5-star of your choice. Also Ultros summon.

So I did my pull and got... Sentinel's Grimoire. *rage*

My fourth one! RNGesus is trying to tell me something...

I also got 3 more 5-star relics in that initial 11-pull, and then I chose Zidane's Butterfly sword for my 5-star relic out of the 'meh' stuff that was available. Mostly because Zidane actually has a pretty awesome skill selection and he was immediately available due to the FF9 event running. And thanks to the FF9 synergy I might be able to clear his MC fight before the event ends.

It's fun, but I'm not sure I want to poor too much time into a secondary account. Mostly curious to see how quickly I can go from 'nothing' to 'EX-ready'.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 25, 2015, 02:28:50 AM
And let us not forget my American account. Lucky Draw is out, I got a Ninja Chainmail out of it, so yay for MORE reasons to use Thancred? Did the dollar-pull on the new FF7 banner and got Lunatic High! What is this madness? That's three dollar-pulls in a row that gave me character relics.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: MC50 on October 25, 2015, 02:29:21 AM
Started playing this a couple months ago, doing pretty decently - Up to the last dungeon update in classics. Pulled a few relics along the way (Steiner's, Quistis's - who I don't have -, Lenna's, Sephiroth's first from the Relic Draw, and Kimahri's also from the relic draw.) So I've got a decent set of abilities and such to choose from.

Just pulled Tyrfing in the Lucky Draw, so I've set Advance as my friend summon.

bL6P  is my friend ID. I'll follow you back if you add me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 25, 2015, 02:44:03 AM
Hey cool, we finally have an Advance-user in our little circle. The only question is: would you prefer I used Sentinel's Grimoire or Lunatic High for my RW? fc: enWi
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 25, 2015, 02:58:36 AM
I also got a random CK follower today, with the same RW as me.  Creepy.

============

*Does Lucky Pull*
*Oh, a 5-star, good*
*Hmm, it's a spear, I forget who uses spears, Fran?*
*Dusk Lance*
*throws phone*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 25, 2015, 03:15:20 AM
ttuj is my friend code.

I have the following for worthwhile RWs:

Rinoa L65 Angel Wing Quake (Current) - Two hit Earth Damage + MT Slow
Rinoa L65 Angel Wing Bolt - Three hit Lightning Damage
Y'shtola L65 Stoneskin 2 - DEF/RES Up
Red XIII L50 Lunatic High - Protect/Haste
Thancred L65 Death Blossom - MT Physical + Slow
Terra L55 Trance Flood - MT Water Damage


...And that's it!  Any requests?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 25, 2015, 03:37:06 AM
I actually like the Angel Wing Quake because it's aoe and 100% slow.  That spoils a lot of boss fights.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 25, 2015, 03:45:02 AM
So Final Fantasy Brave Exvius Brave Frontier: Final Fantasy Flavored! came out in Japan just recently, so I decided to bite the bullet and open up a JP iTunes account to test it out. It's a cute game, but the freemium elements are somehow even more awfully-designed than FFRK's. Sigh...

While there, I picked up FFRK JP to also play around with that.

Man, they are exceedingly kind to new players. Free 50x Mythril and a beginner 11-pull with an extra guaranteed 5-star of your choice. Also Ultros summon.

So I did my pull and got... Sentinel's Grimoire. *rage*

My fourth one! RNGesus is trying to tell me something...

I also got 3 more 5-star relics in that initial 11-pull, and then I chose Zidane's Butterfly sword for my 5-star relic out of the 'meh' stuff that was available. Mostly because Zidane actually has a pretty awesome skill selection and he was immediately available due to the FF9 event running. And thanks to the FF9 synergy I might be able to clear his MC fight before the event ends.

It's fun, but I'm not sure I want to poor too much time into a secondary account. Mostly curious to see how quickly I can go from 'nothing' to 'EX-ready'.

I see you already followed me. I basically use nothing but SG and Stonera Skin for my RWs anymore so I'll make use of yours.

Did you make two accounts? Someone else called DJ using Eiko's Shell SB added me too.

Also, poke me if you need the following for an RW:

Zack (Air Strike, 3 Hits + Dismissal)
Aeris (MT Heal + Reraise)
Mog (MT Regen + DEF UP)

After thinking about it they all have their uses so I'll probably cycle through all of them on a whim.

---

So I was really sick and delirious yesterday so I didn't go out for this halloween event like I planned. :( The silver lining is that I got enough Ice orbs for R3 Blizzaja, so I should be able to get Mastery on the Silver Dragon later this afternoon. Probably gonna skip levelling day to make some progress on the FF2 Dungeon and progress in the story dungeons to get Fran's MC1 so I can get her on her way to being my L80 Support character.

Also got Josef's MC2 while clearing out the first half of the FF2 stuff, claiming it juuuust after I get to the point where Reta isn't necessarily my best option. Oh well I can still make use of this.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 25, 2015, 03:48:37 AM
I see you already followed me. I basically use nothing but SG and Stonera Skin for my RWs anymore so I'll make use of yours.

Did you make two accounts? Someone else called DJ using Eiko's Shell SB added me too.

Just the one. And my username is Djinn like it is on the Global version.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: MC50 on October 25, 2015, 03:52:55 AM
Followed you guys. Personally, I usually just take Sentinel's or Stoneskin as a friend summon unless I know for sure the boss only uses physical/magic (Then I'll use Lunatic High or Boon). But no preferences here, AOE attacks are good too for dailies.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 25, 2015, 04:19:16 AM
Followed you back. I just put up one of Boon and Lunatic High. Post-orbfest, I might swap periodically to Tidus for AoE dailies, but he still has to reach L60.

Anyhow.

Zilch for the 3rd Lucky Draw. Sigh.

The good part is I just finished Cloud's event and done some grinding on the second big phase of the Orbfest. One Major Ice, two Greater Ice and one Greater Fire so far. Major Ice is good because Full Break. As for the others, I want to fill my pockets with all of 'em.

Anyhow, boss rush and Jenova boss battles. Boss rush was pretty sad: Stop completely, COMPLETELY trivializes it. Seriously, all bosses are vulnerable and the fucking spell has a 70% hit rate. Just abuse the hell out of it. Jenova LIFE is also Stop/10, got a total of one action.

Then, there's Jenova DEATH, who... actually isn't very dangerous! Silence counters meant I didn't feel like bringing mages, so I went with a Cloud/Barret/Sazh/Aerith/Lightning party. Cloud was uh dropping 9999 damage Pounds post-Boost (full 5* synergy and Dragoon's Determination is uh kinda broken) and Lightning could get around 6.5k damage with Dismissal). It's not even Break-resistant, so you can just go to town with normal breaks. Now that this is over with, time to spend absurd amounts of mythril on phase 3 refreshes. I won't have another shot at some dedicated Summon Orb farming until six months from now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 25, 2015, 07:40:38 AM
Yeah that Jeniva event was pretty sad.

However, MC2 time! Gotta get that level 80 favoritism going~

His RM3 is going to own when that finally drops. Not sure who I'll really be using it on, though. I have a lot of SBs now but most of them kinda suck. I guess SG and LH. Man I'm actually really excited about Red's crystal now!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 25, 2015, 11:58:09 AM
RK - Optimizing SD was a pain in the ass, but...
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I fuckin did it.
Party:

Gilgamesh (R4 Ice Jump, R5 Wind Jump), +20% damage against Weakness RM,
Zack's Glove, FF9 Strength Ribbon (Protectga SB), FF9 Black Belt (+10 STR)

Terra (R2 Power Breakdown, R3 Blizzaja), Dualcast RM,
FF6 Wizard Rod (White Frost SB), FF8 Ten Gallon Hat, FF9 Silver Dragon Wing (+30 MAG)

Zack (Indoor Spell, Aera Strike), +20% Damage with Katana RM,
FF7 Masamune, Some FF7 Bangle I got two events ago, FF7 Wolf Pin (+15 STR)

Aeris (Faith, Curaga), Rod->Mind Up RM,
FF7 Wizard Rod (Aerith), FF6 Gaia Gear, FF6 Muscle Belt (+300 HP)

Mog (Water of Strength, Curaja), Healing +20% RM,
FF6 Holy Lance, FF5 Ninja Clothes, FF7 Shield Ring (+5 Mind)

Still very easy to get destroyed in the first few rounds with my setup, and in striving for lowering my number of turns I would often let buffs wane right when I was about to go in for the kill, which made me take more tries than I needed to probably. The fight basically had three rebuff timings, the most difficult of which was the last one since Terra was usually out of Blizzajas and SG had run out.

Oddly, on all but the winning run Dualcast was going off frequently. I was kinda concerned that since Dualcast hadn't gone off that turn I would lose the medal on turns taken but fortunately I still made it in under the threshold.

Now, the Elemental Gigases for the next event... I'm either gonna be really glad I spent the orbs honing elemental skills or I'm going to be really annoyed. Depends on how the fight is actually structured. Really wish I could look into the future like you all and plan ahead, but I'll settle for having a way easier time getting from Zero to Hero. It was only, what, two months (+1 week several months ago) between starting up and getting my first Divine mastery? Yeaaaaaah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 25, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
Are the Elemental Gigas the Divine fights? Their dungeon counterparts are uniformly vulnerable to paralysis, but I'd expect that to wane in between difficulties.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 25, 2015, 02:54:23 PM
Phase 3 pulls.

Celes, locke, and steiners relics got!

I'm starting to catch up on relics!

Yay
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 25, 2015, 03:50:54 PM
Are the Elemental Gigas the Divine fights? Their dungeon counterparts are uniformly vulnerable to paralysis, but I'd expect that to wane in between difficulties.

*Shrug.* Probably? I'm going purely off of Kongbakpao listing them as the boss that gets me a 5* accessory. I... very strongly suspect that they're not going to be subject to paralysis, or that if they are I'm going to have to fight all 3 at once. I'll know more once the EX battles drop... uh, I forget if it's Monday or Tuesday. Soon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 25, 2015, 03:52:40 PM
Orb farming. Rough tally for the day:

7 Greater Fire Orbs
7 Greater Ice Orbs
3 Greater Summon Orbs
2 Major Ice Orbs

So yeah, things are going -really- well. I can actually hone Waterja to R5 as of now, but that'd be a complete waste of Greater Orbs when I can R4 Firaja and R3 Ruinga shortly down the line. I also think I'll have more than enough Greater Ice Orbs to R3 Blizzaja by the end of this phase, which would be totes aces. Got all my 3* summons to R3, working on R4 for them. Ramuh in particular will be useful for Omega on the Rift of Recollection event. I might even craft a second Stop for it.

Meanwhile, Ninja and Dragoon soon approach L50. Spellblade's past L40 as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 25, 2015, 09:29:03 PM
11x rare draw #3 produces the Cyclone Grimoire and Valiant pistol. Cyclone Grimoire is the first SB gear I actually have the proper person to use, even if it is his worst unique gear, so I hand it to Tyro, set him up with Firaga, and that frees up his Blitz Sword for one of the dedicated warriors. Yay, 4/5 characters with five-star weapons, even if only one of them has their own five-star weapon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 26, 2015, 12:17:18 AM
Valiant at least opens up a fair amount of options in your support roster as well. Besides Irvine (who you can recruit -and- MC on story dungeons), Sazh also wants them. Balthier and Lightning also get decent offensive usage out of them. And guns in general are very rare, so count your blessings that you have one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 26, 2015, 01:10:39 AM
It also gives Barret some options if I want to use him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 26, 2015, 02:05:52 AM
(Protip: you probably don't.)

Still one round of daily orbfest farming to go. Almost done with Spellblade, currently grinding Dark Knight to dispatch it away and Cloud for his third RM. Current day orb tally:

10 Greater Fire Orbs
11 Greater Ice Orbs
5 Greater Summon Orbs
3 Major Ice Orbs
1 Major Summon Orb
1 Major Fire Orb

I'm only 4 GFOs away from R4ing Firaja and already R4'd both Shiva and Ramuh. If I get at least one of the 3* summons to R5, I'll be entirely happy. Good day for farming, anyhow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 26, 2015, 02:18:17 AM
Beat the +++ Fight this morning.  Death got Advantaliated.  Party was Aeris/Barret/Cloud/Thancred/Y'shtola.

So, in my random grinding after that:

Got Cloud to L66.
Got Cloud's RM3.
Got Barret to L48.

Failing to get any Majors from this point on, but a good deal of Greaters.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 26, 2015, 02:24:30 AM
Successfully defeated the ++ Jenova fight to get that Cloud memory crystal, fuck even bothering with the other fight. All my remaining mythril will be hoarded for one more attempt at lucky draws.

Party of:

Golbez (Quake/Biora)
Aeris (Curaga/Shellga) (Should have left this as Cecil, in retrospect. Even with her equipment twinked, her HP is just hot garbage. I also didn't waste any eggs on her, and just kept her the level she was from the event.
Zach (Magic Break/Tempo Flurry)
Cloud (Thundara Strike/Drain Strike)
Auron (Iai Strike/Double Strike) (Auron is here for extra damage and his unique soul break.)

Used an Y'shtola RW.

Golbez could consistently do damage. Zach's sole purpose was to repeatedly Magic Break the damn thing. Aeris is useless, but I needed Shellga. Cloud is made for this fight, and could full heal off of his Drain Strike, once I got going. Needed to mythril my way into starting the fight with an Auron Soul Break.

Ended the fight with Cloud at full HP and Auron at critical HP and three lovely corpses.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 26, 2015, 03:32:54 AM
Well, final tally for the day:

14 Greater Fire Orbs
15 Greater Ice Orbs
7 Greater Summon Orbs
3 Major Ice Orbs
1 Major Summon Orb
1 Major Fire Orb

Characters level-capped (both L50 and L65) or cap-broken so far since the beginning of the festival: Loserface, Gladiator, Bard, Red Mage, Ninja, Spellblade, Maria, Rydia, Paladin Cecil, Tellah, Strago, Mog, Barret, Squall, Tidus and Y'shtola. Terra's almost there, currently working on Leon, Samurai and Dark Knight. S'pose Knight's coming next.

This said, I also honed Firaja to R4 and I couldn't be happier today. Having two R4 -jas is great and a third feels within reach before the year ends. Shiva and Ramuh are at R4, Ifrit is on its way. Also finally honed Pressure Point to get rid of that stupid quest, since I finally can spare the orbs.

There's also a new dungeon update, but no way I'm even touching that before orbfest ends.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 26, 2015, 03:49:27 AM
Successfully defeated the ++ Jenova fight to get that Cloud memory crystal

*sniff* My little VSM's all grown up and saving records!

Didn't lose a single medal in the boss rush, lost the standard 3 in the ++ fight.  Haven't done the +++ yet because I'm doing orbfest with Cloud to try to get his 3rd RM.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 26, 2015, 05:59:07 AM
VSM is not a drug.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 26, 2015, 06:13:59 AM
That's what she said.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 26, 2015, 06:21:36 AM
Pretty sure she actually did say he was drugs, the denial was about something else (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Qkx9TAM10).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 26, 2015, 09:38:15 AM
hahahahahahahaha

OK so Fran's MC1 is on the FF12 Elite dungeon with the Demon's Wall. I didn't bring a Hastega RW because I wasn't thinking clearly. But it didn't matter.

So you know how the demon's wall kills your whole party when it gets too close?
So you know how I have a MT Reraise SB?
Did you know that after Reraise goes off the wall instantly dies?

Hahaha that was the best victory.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 26, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
Crush instakills the Wall, yes. Some people abused Jump to avoid the move on Global, IIRC.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 26, 2015, 01:19:58 PM
Indeed. There are videos of the Jump shenanigans. And not just on the Demon Wall, the Dark Bahamut fight with the countdown to insta-die-Flare was also similarly cheesed with precise Jump timing. It is glorious and the best use of Dragoons as far as I can tell.

Quote from: Makkotah
Zero to Hero in two months.

This part is extremely true of JP. I have literally only been playing it 24 hours and I already have 4 Memory Crystals and 6 five-star relics, including two character-uniques. It's kinda nuts how nice the beginner packages are and how beginner-friendly the events are. Y'know, excluding the Force/Elite stuff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 26, 2015, 01:29:31 PM
Yeah, that's all fairly recent, too. Like, the guaranteed 5* weapon was introduced sometime between when I started back in... shit, April?, and when I restarted in August. The 50 Mythril freebie I believe was dropped at the 1 year anniversary date, which is when the second orb fest started, which was sometime around Burning Japan, so about mid September. And now with the EX+ Tier, once you get good enough to farm the highest level dungeons, I'm getting more orb daily now than I was getting weekly in August/Sept.

I like the decision overall. It's a win for new players, which is a win for DeNA's revenue, and doesn't really impact old players that much (look at how many Divine fight videos on Kongbakpao have people with R3 Full Break, R5 Flare/Meteo, etc. That's still way out of reach and just mindboggling to me). If I was progressing at a snail's pace while still having even EX+ Mastery dangling out of reach I'd be... well, I'd be more likely to quit and waaaaaay more likely to try to get FFRK Global working for me so I have the head start.

---

Executive Decision: I have enough 5* equipment now and not enough inventory space (not wasting mythril on 5 extra spaces), so I'm done dealing with 3* non-accessories. I'll keep my 3* + and ++ weapons since they're already on their way to getting upgrayyedded, but meh I can't imagine 3++ synergies are going to help me thaaaaat much compared to my natural 5*s and 4+/+'s.  This is also fueled by the fact that my 3++s have gotten zero use at all whatsoever

Also, because I never participated in the Epeen Fest, here you are:

7*:
Crystal Mail ++ (FF6)

6*:
Diamond Sword++ (FF12)
Sledge Hammer++ (FF12)
Red Jacket ++ (FF6)
Ninja Clothes+ (FF5)

5*:
Holy Lance (FF6, Mog)
Masamune (FF7, Seph)
Wizard's Rod (FF7, Aeris)
Zack's Glove (FF7, Zack)

Partisan (FF5, General MT Sleep Buster SB)
Wizard's Rod (FF6, gen Blizzaga SB)
High Class Wristwatch (FF7, general MT Heal SB)
Strength Ribbon (FF9, gen Protectga SB)

Assasin's Knife (FF6, no SB)
Flame Rod (FF1, no SB)
Occhus' Tentacle (FF8, no SB)
Gaia Gear (FF6, no SB)

Dream Harp (Core, Bard SB)

Heaven Rod+ (FF12)
Trident+ (FF12)
Flame Rod++ (FF5)
Gold Staff++ (FF12)
Thunder Staff++ (FF12)
Sword Breaker+ (FF6)
Black Clothes+ (FF4)
White Robe+ (FF4)
Hypno Crown+ (FF5)
Ten Gallon Hat+ (FF8)
Mirage Vest++ (FF5)
Diamond Breastplate++ (FF6)
Crystal Mail++ (FF5)
Excalipoor (FF5, best sword in game)

The naturals and 4+'s see a lot of use but my ++s almost never do. Part of this is type, but as you can see, I'm drownin' in options. I'm considering just getting rid of my 3++s to make room for potential 4+s. Is good life, bro
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 26, 2015, 02:02:22 PM
The fact that they're doing a overhaul "renewal" of the Quest system is kind of annoying though. I hope I can still get all those characters from the character quests in this new Quest system... There's no way I can clear them all before Oct 31st...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 26, 2015, 02:18:06 PM
Yeah my impression is that the renewal is just restarting the quests so you can do them again? I dunno, I hope so. I haven't gotten like 13 characters from the special quests because I didn't realize there were quests until after I had cleared the story dungeon, but if not uhhh guess I won't be getting Lightning or the Cecils for a while.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 26, 2015, 02:33:15 PM
By the way: yes, you are using Mythril for inventory space eventually. Hell, I have 210 slots and sometimes I think that's not enough. Too much of a QoL improvement in your life. And you even have the QoL tweak that made upmats no longer take inventory space.

EDIT: Anyhow, farming shenanigans.

Today's current tally:

6 Greater Summon Orbs
3 Greater Ice Orbs
2 Greater Fire Orbs

Terra up to L65, Dark Knight and Samurai past L40. Leon and Zell past L30. Put Ashe in Terra's place for the nice healer/Quake spammer niche.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 26, 2015, 05:10:27 PM
By the way: no, you don't ever need to  use Mythril for inventory space. Hell, I have 100 slots and when I need room I just sell those 2++ equips that I'm never going to use anyway

This is the only ftp game I've played where you don't need to buy extra inventory space.  Stop being a hoarder.

RNGesus has been kind to me on my birthday.  Three major Ice orbs today, bringing my grand total for all of orbfest to a whopping 5 majors.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 26, 2015, 06:29:24 PM
VSM is not a drug.
I strongly beg to differ.

~~~
I need mythril to make more room in my inventory RIGHT NOW. I didn't cash in my 10 Scarletites yet, because I just don't have the space. The only reason I'm not spending my mythril is Lucky Draws are out and that seems like a better buy for my current needs.

As far as the Demon Wall is concerned: Hey, Zenny, imagine that, instead of getting Fran's memory crystal, 30% of the time you got NOTHING, and then of the times you DIDN'T get nothing, most of the time you just got 70 gil.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 26, 2015, 07:15:00 PM
Despite only having four five-star items I'm constantly running up against inventory limits because only one of the items I do have is worth upgrading very far, and thus there's tons of Scarletite and Adamantite sitting around waiting to find a home.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 26, 2015, 07:35:45 PM
Every item you -actually use- should be upgraded to max ASAP. Also, you can use Scarletites to upgrade armor and Adamantites to upgrade weapons, it's just horribly inefficient weapon XP-wise. It ends up not mattering much, though, the priority is just burning through those upmats. It just happens to be pretty rough doing so in the early game, since money starts out scarce (when you reach the whereabouts of L50, though, you just start running Heroic dailies and boom, 1.2 million gil a day in Wednesday/Saturday farming).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on October 26, 2015, 07:38:33 PM
Scarletite and Adamantite taking up full inventory spaces feels like one of the small handful of concessions the game makes to outright fleecing the player.  Which isn't THAT bad I guess but I've certainly brushed up against it.  Granted drew two of the same 5 star weapons on my first 50 pull so I've always had SOME sink for them, gil allowing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 27, 2015, 12:52:35 AM
Every weapon I have that's 4+ stars, and a few of my rarer 3 stars (thrown, guns) are all max upgraded, armor, too.

Still too many upgrade materials. But, hey, notoriously bad rolls for VSM.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 27, 2015, 02:41:36 AM
When the new UI rolls in after a few months, the upgrade mats no longer take up inv space. So they aren't fleecing the player forever. I'm pretty sure at this point they could up the five star drop rate, expand inventory to unlimited, and offer a free retry at a dungeon per day and they'd STILL be making money hand over fist.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 27, 2015, 03:11:31 AM
Just sell the extra upgrade materials.  There will always be more.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on October 27, 2015, 04:06:36 AM
I've actually had a huge drought of them lately, but duh, Orbfest==not running material dailies and Lucky Draw==hey neat new useful gear.

That said if they're taking upgrade materials off the inventory limits that suggest players are doing exactly what Captain K said, just selling them instead of buying more inventory for it.  Considering the main time it REALLY matters is for low level players who don't have endless gil reserves, it's probably just another bone to keep people playing past the early game into the meaty bits.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 27, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
That's definitely true. I've gotten used to calling the 20x Giant Scarletite from the +++ battle free 200k gil prizes. Upmats just aren't at a premium even in the early game, since the upmat dailies are obscenely generous and 3* pieces cover you forever at worst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 27, 2015, 11:34:22 AM
Welp, FFT event is dropping sometime this week. I know where my next batch of Mythril is going. I don't even care if FFT synergy means jack shit outside of this one event.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 27, 2015, 12:47:22 PM
Apparantly Ramza's ssb is attack +50% and haste for the whole party.

powercreep.jpg
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 27, 2015, 12:56:49 PM
Lenna cries in a corner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 27, 2015, 02:30:45 PM
Fuck the Dollet story mission sideways with a spiked 2x4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 27, 2015, 03:08:37 PM
I'm at 5 mithril right now.

I'm wondering if I will be able to get to 25 for the last phase.

4 from the final phase.

At least 5 from the daily log in bonus.

The new stages. I'm guessing those will give out 10+

Plus, I have a lot of elite stages I've yet to tackle.

Is it worth it...

Also, is anyone leveling the core mages that have already broke the 50 cap? Is it worth leveling black white red and summoner?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 27, 2015, 03:32:19 PM
It's funny you say that, Shale. Those were actually the only story missions to give me any trouble when I started up. The spider robot really is a ridiculous power spike compared to the other available dungeons available at the time, even including the event ones. That said, that'll probably be the last difficult thing you face before you start challenging the event EX/+/+/+ fights, so (once you get past that) you're past the only real barrier to entry the game has early on.

Black Power results, no materia spent so this is a more accurate idea of what I'm farming on dailies:

60-66 normal orbs split kinda evenly between Power and Black
3 Greater Power
3 Greater Black
1 Major Black

I don't have enough for Meteo anymore after getting R3 Blizzaja this weekend, but I'm well on my way back. Still not even sure if I should get that or Flare, though... my MO is going to be hoard orbs until I try to beat a Divine Fight, then hone whatever I need to for that particular fight, so I guess it really comes down to whichever one I need first. Ideally I get meteo, since Ultima fills the same niche as Flare, uses different non-exchangable materials, and is by default at least 2x stronger (since it hits twice), but with the new 6* skill dropping that has the exact same upgrade reqs it may be wiser to see what SSBs/buffs I have before I make Ultima.

On the other hand, assuming I master EVERY Divine fight from here on out, and assuming every divine fight has an even rotation between Black/Fire/Non crystals, R1 Ultima's still not even a thing that can exist until March. So maybe I should get both 5*s. Assuming this kinda drop rate, I can probably get both R2 Flare/R2Meteo by... late December? Taking into account quest rewards, anyway. I could also probably get one R3 of either on that same time scale though... decisions to be decided.

In other decisions to be decided news, Fran, Cloud, and FuckingBrat are on their way from 50 to 65. I have exactly 1 blank MC2. Character wise, Fran is easily the best choice for upgrading since she fills a niche none of my other L80 characters fill, but Cloud/FB's RM3s are good enough to make that decision not clear cut. Similarly, FuckingBrat can at least fill the same holes Fran does at L80 AND give me the starting SB charge RM, but Cloud would actually be a character who can pull his weight aside from debuffing, especially since I don't have an Sentinel Grimiore SB.  Currently thinking Cloud's MC3 > L80 Fran > FuckingBrat MC3 assuming no relic draws change this order, but at the same time I'd hate to waste my blank MC2 on Cloud just to see his unique MC2 reissued shortly thereafter (Which, let's face it, is a distinct possibility considering how much DeNA staff seems to fucking love Cloud).

EDIT:
Also, is anyone leveling the core mages that have already broke the 50 cap? Is it worth leveling black white red and summoner?

Black Mage? Yes.
White Mage? Probably.
Summoner? Depends on your summon skillset.
Red Mage? Fuck no.

What are your summons honed to? If you have R2 of a 4* Summon then your order of priority should be Black, Summon, White.
If you have only R1 of a 4* summon, then: Black, White, Summoner.
If you only have 3* summons, don't bother with Summoner.

Black should be your first CORE class to level regardless. It's RM2 is amazing regardless of situation.
Summoner is most likely your second priority for organRM harvesting, unless you really don't have any worthwhile summons. For me it has been mostly a farming skillset with some niche use as MT against +++/Divine fights, but that still put it above WM for me.
WM's RM2 is useful and you should get it to 50 regardless of your summoner usability. It's less absolutely necessary as Black (esp. since R1 Diaga is 4 charges instead of 2) but is worthwhile regardless.

Red Mage's record materia is complete shit and will be one of the last RMs I get.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 27, 2015, 03:45:52 PM
Farmfarmfarm, nothing more particularly drives me nuts now that I have R4 Firaja until phase 4 and- WILD CLOUD RM3 APPEARS FUCK THIS SHIT OPENING BOON ON +++ FIGHTS HERE I COME

EDIT:
Fuck the Dollet story mission sideways with a spiked 2x4.

Dollet is your first test of hones in Story missions and it's honestly kinda rough. You can probably fly it with R3 Thundaga and R2 Thundara Strike, especially since it gives you Ethers every fight until the last. Boost => Retaliate also helps, since it saves resources and basic physicals are still legit offense at your juncture. If you have an Angel Wing Bolt RW, that also tears a hole into the giant spider terrifyingly fast for a couple fights.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 27, 2015, 03:55:09 PM
I meant, do those core classes eventually get a rm3?

I have them all at 50. Wondering if it's worth getting them to 65.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 27, 2015, 03:58:16 PM
It's funny you say that, Shale. Those were actually the only story missions to give me any trouble when I started up. The spider robot really is a ridiculous power spike compared to the other available dungeons available at the time, even including the event ones. That said, that'll probably be the last difficult thing you face before you start challenging the event EX/+/+/+ fights, so (once you get past that) you're past the only real barrier to entry the game has early on.

That doesn't surprise me, the entire game up to this point has handed me exactly one retreat/gameover, and Dollet is now at five in a row. Lack of proper MT healing or the resources to hone my lightning attacks (not enough power orbs for Thunder Slash, not enough anything for Thundaga) means that even with an RW that kills the boss in one shot (level 63 Blade Beam is three shots of 6K each) I get dragged into long fights and ground down once I'm out of charges, if I don't get unlucky with randoms using MT and just die.

Currently Plan A is to make Kirin with the Lesser Summon Orbs I got from the current orb dungeon and use that for a mid-dungeon shot of full-ish healing. Plan B is to move on to FF13.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 27, 2015, 04:03:15 PM
I'd just move on to other pastures myself, since running other dungeons also hands you resources. You'll get no significant amount of 3* orbs until Elite dungeons, but Lesser Orbs for some relevant early-midgame hones like the Spellblade 2*s will tide you over nicely. Once you're strong enough to handle the Heroic dailies, a whole new world of skills and efficient farming opens up for you.

EDIT:

I meant, do those core classes eventually get a rm3?

I have them all at 50. Wondering if it's worth getting them to 65.

1. No.
2. Fuck no.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 27, 2015, 10:20:18 PM
Was trying to get Cloud's RM3 before I did the +++ fight, but it wasn't happening.  So I did the +++ fight.  Then I got Cloud's RM3 on the very next battle.  Well played, FFRK.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on October 28, 2015, 12:32:41 AM
I got it from doing the +++ fight. Of course, I think it dropping meant I didn't get any orb reward for it.

Fuck you, Jenova!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 01:32:04 AM
Orb and RM drops run from separate RNG pools and aren't mutually exclusive. You just had poor luck there!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 02:30:22 AM
Second no-5* pull in a row. Fuck you too, game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 28, 2015, 02:32:24 AM
(http://www.tribute.ca/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/liviasoprano.jpg)
Poor you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 03:35:50 AM
You don't get to talk.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 28, 2015, 03:42:21 AM
You don't get to talk.

Well, I do, and didn't get a 5 star until my 46th try, so...

(http://www.tribute.ca/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/liviasoprano.jpg)
Poor you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 28, 2015, 03:52:03 AM
Also only got two 4-stars from this pull.  Between Lucky Pulls and Terra I spent 150 mythil and got 3 5-stars.  I'll just pretend there wasn't a special event going on and that I had average luck.

Also Snow's misfortune makes me feel better.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 28, 2015, 04:18:08 AM
Did the new Lucky Pull, though I had to spend $9 to get the gems to pay for this one.

Drew Thancred's Daggers, a second Rising Sun, and Edward's Harp.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 28, 2015, 04:56:46 AM
Lucky pull is Lucky. Got two 5* Mage equips. I drink your tears now that -I'm- the RNG's favorite!

Seriously, Diamond Pin from the dollar pull and now Aerith's Ribbon and Tellah's Polymorph Rod in one week? I'm finally caught up to Snow- and Fenrir-level luck!

I fully expect to never get a five-star again...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 28, 2015, 05:46:45 AM
I just had a thought.  Looking through Edward's options, I now has his Harp, and he has Bard 5 and Support 5.

Thinking I could hand him my eventual Full Break, maybe give him Spellbend Etude, he has his Harp for Protect/Heavy Regen...  Does this sound worthwhile for a build at all?  Maybe him getting an eventual MC?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 28, 2015, 05:54:45 AM
Oh yeah, Edward's totally a solid Support with his Harp. When his MC finally drops he will be the best Bard in the game. So it depends on if your team needs Bard Support, but it's not a bad niche at all!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 28, 2015, 07:00:40 AM
HAHAHA take that game!  I gave you money and now you love me!  That will show you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 28, 2015, 07:14:29 AM
Eh without an MC that's still really good but uuuuuuuuuh level 50 cap is really not workable for +++ fights, which are the ones that matter. May as well get him to 50 for when he gets it eventually, though! Even with MC2s that's very viable on a L65 character

EDIT: lol. Every S/SB available for the Ramza/Agrias event is stupid.

Ramza gets

Platina Sword SSB: All party members Attack Up + Haste
Grand Armor SB: Heal all party members a % of max HP, Protectga
So Kai Bangle SB: 6x Range ST attack with high chance of turn cancel

Agrias gets

Defender SSB: 4x Long Range attack that inflicts Paralysis and Silence
Caesal Plate SB: ST 3x attack, Enemy ATK and MAG down

Even the SBs are ridiculous. #How2PowerCreep
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 10:23:58 AM
The Fabled Harp and its SB are great. Problem is we have -no- idea when will Edward get his MC on Global, since the only place where it's been released was the collab event we skipped. Even Firion, who was in a similar situation until last week, got a crystal rerelease on a proper event. And yeah, at this point, running L50 characters just isn't viable. He makes a really useful RW, at least.

-If- DeNa makes his crystal available as one of the choices on the Rift of Recollection event slated for December, at least, you'll be able to spend a token to pick it up. But no real guarantees there.

EDIT: hahahahahaha holy shit they made THROW STONE into a relic SB this is glorious. Also, the enemy sprites look -amazing-.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 28, 2015, 11:54:49 AM
Final cheap 11-pull gives me Ice Whip, so now I have two character-appropriate 5 star weapons. Okay, I'll take it.

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EDIT: hahahahahaha holy shit they made THROW STONE into a relic SB this is glorious.

This happens in English when, exactly?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 12:22:14 PM
Six months from now unless they pull a FFXIV (which was released on Global less than three months after showing up in JP) with it. It -could- happen, given how it's a short collab, but I wouldn't hold my breath. GRANTED, if there's demand... we know DeNa people visit Reddit, at least, and there's been a huge hype meltdown over FFT already. At least, we're LIKELY to get the event, since there's no licensing hoopjumping to include it on Global.

EDIT: Holy -crap-, Agrias gets Spellblade/White Magic 4 in addition to Knight and Combat 5. Beatrix and Steiner weep curled up in fetal position. Ramza is Support 5 in addition to Combat, Ninja and Thief 4 and Bard 3. Pretty much Vaan and Thancred with access to Full Break.

EDIT: Ice Whip good, at least now that Rydia's actually great instead of obsolete junk. Only Rydia, Quistis and SELPHIE (later Krile as well) can use it, but it has great Mag and boosts ice damage. Not a bad time to start crafting/honing Blizzaga/Blizzaja.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 12:44:01 PM
Anyhow, phase 3 final results: currently sitting on 37 Greater Summon Orbs (20 or so gathered from the farming), 47 Greater Ice Orbs (30 of those from the event), 11 Greater Fire Orbs (27 gotten from the event, IIRC: I honed Firaja to R4 here, remember), along with getting 3 Major Ice, 1 Major Fire and 2 Major Summon Orbs. Typical enough result. Another highlight was getting Ramuh to R5 and Shiva/Ifrit to R4. I should max Shiva by late November, at least.

For phase 4 farming, I got two Greater Powers and a Greater Non-Elemental so far. Getting 3* Power Orbs right now is actually more important, though, since I need to max Aerora Strike and there are still a few Busters to hone to R5. R4 Mana's Paean and Rallying Etude sound nice too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 28, 2015, 01:44:44 PM
FFRK Global: I have almost all my PCs near their level caps now, even Cloud is level 75, so I hope I can still use all this EXP the event keeps throwing at me. Orbwise, the game showered me in Greater Ice Orbs on summon orb day, so I dunno what the hell I'm gonna do with those...
After that last Lucky Draw, I now have exactly 2 Mythril... That Hope event with all the mage equips is getting skipped, but now that I have 3x 5-star mage sticks and Aerith's ribbon, I am not hurting for mage equips for the first time ever. Time to try out some exciting strategies! Or failing that, some themed-teams, like UOM team (Strago, Galuf, Tellah, Fusoya, Josef) or Animal team (Red dog, Blue Lion, Catbat, Bunnygirl, Catgirl). Certainly would be challenging!

Or just time to Mage Meta.

FFRK JP: Ramza and Agrias GET! That fight for Agrias was nail-biting at level 30 with practically nothing for hones. And getting their Memory Crystals might be out of reach at this point. Flipside, I snagged Ramza's Grand Armor, so now Ramza can YELL! (in English), unlike his other SB, which is Yell (in Japanese). I'm confused.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 28, 2015, 01:52:46 PM
Sitting at 16 mithril. I'm wondering if I can get 9 more before this event ends...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 01:55:16 PM
Scream and Yell are two different skills in original FFT anyway.

I have Mythril planning to do, anyhow. -IF- I forfeit one of the two pulls I was planning for FF9's second Zidane banner, I'll have enough to do two pulls on the Super Soul Break celebration. On the other hand, the Super Soul Break banners look kinda unimpressive outside a few shining beacons (Lulu's Hairpin, Lullaby Rod, Wyrmfang and Sentinel's Grimoire), so I might skip that anyway. I'm gonna pull on Hope regardless because I still need a sage weapon and a MT healing relic. I'm fully expecting to get another Keepsake Knife, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 28, 2015, 01:56:38 PM
EDIT: Holy -crap-, Agrias gets Spellblade/White Magic 4 in addition to Knight and Combat 5. Beatrix and Steiner weep curled up in fetal position. Ramza is Support 5 in addition to Combat, Ninja and Thief 4 and Bard 3. Pretty much Vaan and Thancred with access to Full Break.

… no, zenny. You WILL NOT spend money on this game trying to get SBs for these characters. You. WILL. NOT.

EDIT pre emptive shut the fuck up grefter you're not helping
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 02:06:10 PM
If it's any consolation, neither PC even remotely needs a relic SB to be a good addition to your party. Hell, Ramza can be a Steal Power + Full Break monkey for you -and- he'll get a MC2 in the event. In any case, I'd just amass 15 mythril to do a 3-pull to quench temptation if it comes to that.

EDIT: DURR Ramza is actually Knight 4, not Thief 4. Knight + Ninja is an even weirder combination than Zidane's Thief + Knight, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 28, 2015, 02:23:11 PM
Yeah, honestly both of them fill niches I don't have L80 characters for anyway, so I can probably fight the temptation. I'll definitely have another 50 mythril before the banner ends next Monday, esp if I skip Terra Cotta day to run some story dungeons.

But like, it is getting to that point where I like the game enough anyway that eeeh dropping 10 bucks on it for the amount I play it ain't bad, and the payout would be pretty good if I'm lucky. Just, no I should not do that because integrity.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 28, 2015, 02:53:26 PM
If you wanted my real opinion you would spend money on it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 28, 2015, 03:08:59 PM
I should also not do that so I don't get Grefter's real opinion.

Come to think of it, that's 10 bucks that could go to Downwell or Human Resource Machine instead.

OK, urge passed. Phew, good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 03:48:22 PM
/me peeks at the next two events on Global.

/me looks at Major Orb rewards.

I'LL HAVE R2 METEOR BY THE END OF CELES' REISSUE YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSS
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 28, 2015, 04:33:13 PM
Might as well post my Lucky Draw results from the 4 banners, so...

Tifa's Grand Glove
Auron's Shimmering Blade
Tidus' Brotherhood
Lightning's Blazefire Sabre
Garnet's Storm Staff

Seeing as I got at least 1 5* per draw, I can hardly complain; I could do a lot worse.  Especially since I got an actual 5* Katana, which are an extremely rare breed.

This list does help tell me which Memory Crystals I need to pick up when the recollection even starts; namely, Tidus, Lightning and Garnet's.  Auron's I already have and Tifa I just don't see myself using in any serious capacity, since she's a Record Keeper Monk and they're universally pretty blech, and I'm not exactly starving for FF7 Physical PCs (I have both Cloud AND Zack raised after all).  Garnet's a legitimate White Mage, while Lightning and Tidus both solid and raising them for Realm Synergy points definitely wouldn't hurt.

Still trying to figure out #4 on that list though.  Note that the first Event Memory Crystal I got was Rinoa's just based on timing relative to my team's strength, to give you an idea of what I have.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 04:43:14 PM
Based on the next batch of events up to the RoR event, you can scratch from the list straight off for alternates: Squall, Wakka, Eiko, Snow, Lenna. You -may- want to pick up Paladin Cecil's MC1 on RoR, though, since there's already a quest available to recruit him and he's gonna be on the event's MC2 batch - far earlier than we'll get another FF4 event. He's a very good PC now anyway. Garnet you'll need to pick up on the Rift even as a character, IIRC: all the others are - or shortly will be, like Lightning this week - available through bonus quests.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 28, 2015, 05:22:00 PM
Picking away at the early FFT event levels to spend stamina before bed. Holy crap those battle sprites. I am not a very visually inclined person but that's a very nice 16 bit rendition of the FFT portrait art.

The nostalgia notes are being hit and yessssss.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 28, 2015, 08:32:18 PM
Based on the next batch of events up to the RoR event, you can scratch from the list straight off for alternates: Squall, Wakka, Eiko, Snow, Lenna. You -may- want to pick up Paladin Cecil's MC1 on RoR, though, since there's already a quest available to recruit him and he's gonna be on the event's MC2 batch - far earlier than we'll get another FF4 event. He's a very good PC now anyway. Garnet you'll need to pick up on the Rift even as a character, IIRC: all the others are - or shortly will be, like Lightning this week - available through bonus quests.

It's not getting the characters that's the problem, it's the memory crystal.  I started the game much earlier than people realize because stealth playing; I've been playing as far back as Garnet's event, to be clear, barely managed to pick her up.  So I have everyone since then, just as far as Memory Crystals go, the earliest event related one I have is Rinoa's.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 08:36:07 PM
Ooooh, I get it. Cecil's MC1 as your fourth slot suggestion still applies, regardless, if you plan to use him at any length. Knight 5 + White Magic 4 is a neat niche, which will only improve as time goes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 28, 2015, 08:46:17 PM
Was thinking Cecil, yeah, mostly wanted a second opinion, sounds good.

So P. Cecil, Lightning, Garnet and Tidus seem to be my Memory Crystals of choice in the recollection event then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 28, 2015, 09:22:09 PM
Farming. If I just get Locke and Edward to L50 before the orbfest ends, I'll be happy.

EDIT: Goals for November: R4 Thundaja, R3 Blizzaja, R5 Shiva, R2 Meteor. If I land R3 Valefor by then, I'm happy as well. R4 Diaga is a nice thought, but might not pan out.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 28, 2015, 10:30:10 PM
Fuck you, Algus!

https://ffrk-movie.static.sp.mbga.jp/soul_strike/15000100/20151028_7_64GQTnuQ8.mp4
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 28, 2015, 11:03:54 PM
Meeple: Friend Code please~

Zenny: Completely agreed on the FFT sprites. I was screenshotting my phone every time I saw a new sprite I was so enamored of them. Definitely hope they bring it to Global sooner rather than later so everyone in the DL can appreciate them.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 29, 2015, 12:20:49 AM
The good news about lucky draw phase 4 is that I got a 5* item.

The bad items is that it was Sabin's Kaiser Knuckles, which is now my fourth 5* FF6 weapon (also have Zantetsuken, Gold Spear, Kotetsu). I also have both 4* FF6 daggers at ++ now. Seriously RNGesus, you can stop with the FF6 weapons now.

For 100 mythril I got a decent haul overall (3 5*s), but I wish I could've gotten stuff for realms that I didn't have it in, rather than FF6/FF7. Or at least ranged weapons for FF6 instead of all melee. Oh well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 29, 2015, 01:19:01 AM
So correcting Snow:

Ramza is support 5, knight/combat/ninja 4, bard 3. He does not get Thief 4.

Wish I had checked that before getting Steal Power. Oh well, Faris can use that in a pinch.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 29, 2015, 01:32:38 AM
Yeah, I only realized it too late. Bartz also makes a great Steal Power user, but come to think of it, they're yet to have a high STR Support 5/Thief 4 user. The closest we have are Support 4/Thief 4-5, like Vaan and Bartz himself. Anyhow, my bad. At least Support/Knight is also useful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 29, 2015, 02:25:55 AM
For 100 mythril I got a decent haul overall (3 5*s), but I wish I could've gotten stuff for realms that I didn't have it in, rather than FF6/FF7. Or at least ranged weapons for FF6 instead of all melee. Oh well.

Under that light, that actually makes me feel better about my haul. A mage weapon, a game changer and a melee synergy weapon for one of the nastiest realms (FFX) doesn't really sound bad in hindsight. Oh well, here's hoping Zidane or Hope hand me MT healing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 29, 2015, 03:23:04 AM
Maybe we should edit the first post and put all of our friend codes there for references?

Mine is: 91So

Anyways, I'll have 25 mithril by tomorrow. Yay.

Shame I wasted so much time away from this phase though, ah well.

Also, dunno why it's taken me so long but I sold all my shields.

Useless.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 29, 2015, 10:15:27 AM
I hope they weren't 5*, you could use them for augmenting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 29, 2015, 11:57:11 AM
Even fake 5 star items?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 29, 2015, 12:04:47 PM
I think only natural 5*s.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 29, 2015, 01:46:58 PM
Ok, yeah. Only natural 5*s.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 29, 2015, 02:14:06 PM
FFRK JP: Oh no! Kimahri got buffed! Now who will be the biggest loser in FFRK? He got a large boost to HP, ATK, and DEF, and they gave him Combat 4. While it's nice for Kimahri fans, it -also- doesn't seem to bode well for the future of Blue Magic. I'd always assumed all the Blue Mages (Strago, Quistis, Kimahri, Quina, Gau perhaps) were being kept intentionally a little weak because they were eventually going to introduced Blue Magic and BAM! Instantly they're the cool kids for a while. But if Kimahri is actually being given a skillset, even a boring one like this, then it's looking less and less likely they'll ever feel the need to figure out how to make Blue Magic work in the FFRK system.

And that's terrible because I <3 Blue Magic.  :'(

Also, Gunner Yuna! Yay I can't wait for the inevitable magic gun that comes with it so that Ashe and Sazh can play with it too.

Blitzball Rikku is also a thing that's happened. So now I could conceivably make a full team of Blitzballers (Wakka, Tidus, Jecht, Rikku, Tyro).

And most importantly, Auron gets Knight abilities for Tauntaliate. I hope they implement this one in Global sooner rather than later so that it'll still be relevant.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 29, 2015, 02:17:37 PM
Global has historically dropped character buffs monstrously earlier than they first appeared in Japan. Just look at the last balance changes, which includes all the buffs to PCs up to Lightning's SSB+MC2 event. I wouldn't be shocked if we got it by like January at the latest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 29, 2015, 02:23:04 PM
Last relic pull...

Freaking yunas other relic. The sending one...

Bleh.

That leaves me with 9 relics for this event.

I guess the best one I pulled was celes? Thought it was a little weird it didn't have any magic on it.

I'll take it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 29, 2015, 02:31:42 PM
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And most importantly, Auron gets Knight abilities for Tauntaliate. I hope they implement this one in Global sooner rather than later so that it'll still be relevant.

Honestly, the fact that Auron didn't have this from the outset is so freaking weird, kind of like Snow lacking Knight skills.  He got Cover in FF10 (and Sentinel), and Breaks are associated with Knights not infrequently (FF9 and FFT), albeit Combat covered that, and even plotwise, he fits a Knight pretty well being Braska and Yuna's guardian and what not.

Still, given I have Auron's Relic Weapon, that will give me further reason to use him once the buff comes into play.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 29, 2015, 02:43:29 PM
Yeah, Auron not having that honestly weirds me out, especially that they -gave- the Draw Fire+Retaliate combo not too far down the line to Gilgamesh. The buff at least gives him actual relevance in Reta-meta strats, since he has a stat edge over Gilgy and the next event update might give him a MC2 as well.

EDIT:

Quote from: DJ
FFRK JP: Oh no! Kimahri got buffed! Now who will be the biggest loser in FFRK?

Barret could step up to the mettle. Seriously, why did they make -two- Support 5 PCs for FF7 and turned one of them into something even more awkward than -Irvine-?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 29, 2015, 03:54:01 PM
So, while doing future planning, I took a peek at Rikku's event in January and glanced at Calamity Yunalesca.

...

Then, I honed both Protectga and Shellga to R2. At least it won't get in the way of R3 Ruinga.

EDIT: Also got three Greater NE Orbs from a full run and honed Valefor to R3. Life is good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 30, 2015, 01:44:33 AM
FFRK JP: Awww... they gave me a Witch's Hat and a Jack-o-lantern Blitzball for Halloween! Both 5-star equips, so even if they suck, I can Augment with them :)

(Don't worry, adorable Blitz-o-lantern, I'll never actually Augment you...)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 30, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
That pumpkin is actually really nice for a giveaway - 91 attack at L20, only 4 less than Wakka's Official Ball.

The witch hat is more like an old fashioned 4.5* giveaway item, but it does have a Mana's Paean clone for a shared SB and FFX synergy is better than the core synergy on the end-of-month giveaway stuff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 30, 2015, 02:00:26 AM
Got Gordon's Crystal. Immediately removed Pala-cecil from party, replaced with Gordon.

What? You love your irrational favorites and I'll love mine.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 30, 2015, 02:01:22 AM
9 silver and 2 gold on my second lucky 25.

Nuffle hates VSM

EDIT
Only 1 piece of armor. What the hell, game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 03:18:32 AM
Did some pulls for Hope's banner on the leftover gems from Orbfest and Mythril. End result: out of 28 relics, a couple 4*s I can actually combine, maxing out on my Masamune Blade, a Feral Pride and Snow's Wild Bear. Well, I -did- need more Light Armors and a character SB relic still is a character SB relic. I'll take it.

This hilariously makes FFXIII my best synergy realm by far, with three 5* weapons, two 5* armors and soon enough a fake 5* bracer. Mangling this event should be fun.

Speaking of which, completed its wussy version and got Hope. I like the shortened dungeon gauntlet, less chaff to wade through and less stamina wasted.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 10:57:29 AM
Beelined for Hope and Vanille MCs, then spent a Mythril to farm some upmats for maxing out the Feral Pride and the fake-5* Rune Axe I'll hand Gilgamesh/Bartz in a couple weeks for the Battle in the Big Bridge event. Now, I'll farm the remaining days on Orbfest for XP, since Firion's close to L50 and both Vanille and Hope could use the levels. First time in ages where I don't finish an event as soon as humanly possible, but I should have it done on Sunday anyway. Then, I'll finally move on to DU 12, which should keep me busy until Celes' reissue, which will be exciting for reasons of R2 Meteor.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 30, 2015, 11:24:20 AM
FF2 Event +++ battle down. Reaaaaally touch and go fight, honestly made harder than it would have been otherwise due to constantly getting hit with MT slow and having to wait for Terra to cast Dispel before getting damage in. Final party definitely could have been tweaked to be more effective but I didn't really feel like doing that today. That said this setup worked mostly by luck, as I had run out of gas in the winning run and just stumbled across the finish line like a goddamn QWOP player. Had to hone Magic BD to R4 and Shellga to R3 thanks to slow effectively lowering the duration of those quite a lot.

Seph - R4Indoor Spell, R5Reta, Katana 1.2x damage
Terra - R4Dispel , R4Strongwater, Start: Haste
Faris - R4Magic Breakdown, R1Full Break, Double hit RM
Aeris - R3Shellga, R3Curaga, Staff -> Mind UP
Zack - R4Drain Blade, R4 Tempo Flurry,  HP Down -> ATK UP
SG RW

Frionel's Record Materia, unlike almost every other HP Down -> Record Materia, is actually really good!... if you put it on a Drain Blade user. Hey, it's a niche, and a very good one at that. WoS buffed Zack could recover almost to full in one hit and was dealing 8K+ when The Emperor didn't have Barrier up. Dispel was 100% necessary, Barrier reduces your damage too much and Hasted Emperor + Slowed Party is very potentially a game over in the late stages of the fight. SG charges, unlike how I use it most of the time were an emergency OH SHIT button for the last half of the fight to buy time until Aerith's SB recharged. Some real touch and go moments there, motherfucker loves spamming Thundaga and Meteo when he gets to low health.

So, with this fight I'm ready to say I've outgrown the Reta Meta and honestly at the end it was just taking up a valuable skill slot. The only thing it really did was help Faris contribute in between applying breaks, and once I ran out of Strong Waters for Seph it actually wasn't that useful even with her having Double Hit on.

A few obvious simple improvements, ditch Full Break for Armor BD. Even at R2 that would have improved my damage enough to not run out of gas even with no other improvements. I also could have tried to wait until Quistis' SSB popped up for an RW. I trade being able to get rid of Slow and get Regen for not having emergency breaks for when things got too dangerous. Not sure if that's actually better or not. I could have also swapped out Terra for Mog, but I kept her in for her L80 superior durability and the fact that his regen SB isn't really that good here. The Emperor's threatening moves were all magic.

I looked at a couple of the Elemental Gigas videos and meh I don't think I can beat it. I'm gonna try to get Ramza up to 65 Sunday in anticipation for his MC2 so I at least have a L80 Support character (Finally) and maaaaaybe try the fight then, but tbh I think it just comes down to my magic hones not being good enough. I only have R3 Firaja/Blizzaja and R4 Waterja. I could maybe make Meteo and then spend mythril until I have enough charges to YOLO my way through but my mythril's kinda tight and after doing last week's FF9 Divine fight I kinda don't care anyway.

In other news, I just realized that not needing to spend my blank MC2 on Fran for a L80 Support character means I can level up Cloud and get his RM3 instead. Or maybe loserface. Or both, since another blank MC2 is dropping with the X-2 event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 12:28:28 PM
The Gigas videos I've seen don't emphasize MT very heavily, but the amount of damage control necessary to not crumble under their offense is just nuts. Half of those I really have no idea how they even mastered the fight at all.

EDIT:

I deliberately go out of my way to maximize my suffering

Not surprised. At least, Gordon eventually gets a significant buff (particularly in durability, which he needs more than almost anyone else. I wish he had Rods and BM 4, though) months down the line.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 02:03:22 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD GLOBAL ALSO GOT THE HALLOWEEN SPECIAL GIFTS I'M LAUGHING SO HARD

EDIT: They're FFXIII synergy instead of FFX, though, and the pumpkin was turned into a typical thrown weapon rather than a blitzball (which actually makes it -better- than in JP even putting aside power creep purposes). 'spose they're actually tied to the incoming events at the time. Regardless, I'm not complaining about a fourth mage hat - let alone one that gives a Mana's Paean SB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 30, 2015, 02:12:43 PM
I will note that since I had no natural 5 star hats, or ranged equipment, those items are by far my best in the category. I also got a free 5 star bow coming in the near future, so my ranged problem is allieviated quite a bit.

Should probably get some thrown weapon characters to 65. Bleh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 02:15:28 PM
You could PULL FOR YUNA'S BSSB GUN lol (nevermind that the banner also has Wakka's SSB ball)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 30, 2015, 02:21:08 PM
Fuck yeah, double Halloween treats :)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 02:23:08 PM
Oh yeah, DeNa screwed up and put the Witch Hat's evade score on the Pumpkin. =D
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 30, 2015, 02:32:17 PM
You could PULL FOR YUNA'S BSSB GUN lol (nevermind that the banner also has Wakka's SSB ball)

Nostalgia beats my desire to win. Fft gets all of my mythril until that banner ends and fuck ffx
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 02:35:04 PM
The "lol" was there for a reason.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 30, 2015, 03:00:58 PM
There are too many awesome SBs on that FFX-2 banner to pass up in my opinion.

Also, I want to say that it's amusing that Snow got both of Snow's relics from the latest banner. Amusing because IIRC he's not a fan of Snow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on October 30, 2015, 03:09:30 PM
Evasion meta go.  Only three characters can use thrown weapons and shields though:  Tyro, Locke, and Hope.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 30, 2015, 03:22:07 PM
The free pumpkin makes me feel much better about not getting any ranged weapon from lucky draw.

Also don't expect too much from the bugged evade, it'll lower enemy acc by about 18% in practice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 03:57:54 PM
There are too many awesome SBs on that FFX-2 banner to pass up in my opinion.

Also, I want to say that it's amusing that Snow got both of Snow's relics from the latest banner. Amusing because IIRC he's not a fan of Snow.

I even kinda like him because he's such a loser. I really hate him when he goes hero mode for serious, but the way they crack his facade is one of the few truly great plot moments in FFXIII, so it ain't too bad. I just don't like his gameplay build in-game (in FFRK, it's a different matter since he got Knight 5). Character-wise, my least favorite in that game is probably Fang, because she makes -absolutely no sense-. Ironically, she's my favorite gameplay template, but so it goes.

EDIT: 51 Def, 100 Res, 24 Mag, 21 Mind on the Witch Hat capped. It's at least close enough to a normal 5* and the SB does help make up for the stats to a degree. Universal Mana's Paean SB is a -great- mage meta tool and is easy to slot, since your average mage tends to have awful default SBs. I could totally slap this on the likes of Rinoa and Terra, possibly Yuna too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 30, 2015, 04:12:07 PM
I really hate ... plot moments in FFXIII, so it ... makes -absolutely no sense-.

FOX NEWS
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 04:18:13 PM
I really hate ... plot moments in FFXIII, so it ... makes -absolutely no sense-.

FOX NEWS

in other news, if we stop breathing for too long we die
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 30, 2015, 04:22:28 PM
As long as we're not talking about anything

I could totally slap this on the likes of ... Terra

I guess you could say her default SB

is really

TERRA-ble

ha ha ha ha ha
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 30, 2015, 04:34:10 PM

I deliberately go out of my way to maximize my suffering

Not surprised. At least, Gordon eventually gets a significant buff (particularly in durability, which he needs more than almost anyone else. I wish he had Rods and BM 4, though) months down the line.

This eases my suffering. After turning Golbez from "support bitch" to "mage", I eventually realized just how badly I missed having a support bitch. So... I can use Wakka, Sazh, Gordon, Irvine and a few others for this role, but... Gordon is the guy who can equip that sword the game just gave everyone, and it's (sadly) one of the best weapons I have. Fourth best, even. And he has Curaga, so really, It's down to him or Sazh and Sazh looks REALLY BAD by comparison.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 30, 2015, 04:43:59 PM
Yeah but Wakka can use that Pumpkin that you just got and he's infinitely better.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 04:45:22 PM
Gordon's fundamental problem is that he's by far the squishiest Support in the game. His skillset is fundamentally quite neat (Black 3/White 3/Support 5 is a weirdly useful combo, allows for a lot of buffs and status mixes which ease up the load on your dedicated WM/BM, and he even has decentish mind+staves to improve buff and status duration, which Sazh struggles more with), but Gordon has lower-end mage durability, which immediately wastes his melee equip options. He should never use anything other than a bow or staff -in the back row-. He also has the worst strength of the Supports so far, which makes his mix even more problematic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 30, 2015, 04:47:20 PM
get gud scrub
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 30, 2015, 04:56:53 PM
Yaaaaaaaaaaaay I finally have a five star armor

Kinda doubt I'll care that its evasion score is in another castle, but it is funny.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 05:07:59 PM
As long as we're not talking about anything

I could totally slap this on the likes of ... Terra

I guess you could say her default SB

is really

TERRA-ble

ha ha ha ha ha

(http://reactiongif.org/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2015/03/Wow-Bravo-GIF.gif)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 30, 2015, 05:50:29 PM
Yeah but Wakka can use that Pumpkin that you just got and he's infinitely better.

Wakka notably can't cast curaga, reflect, or haste.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 30, 2015, 05:54:56 PM
Aside from Curaga, "What are spells that aren't very useful?"

That's correct. 1000 points. Zenny takes the lead.

"I'll take VSM is Really Bad for 800."

EDIT: Seriously, though, yes, I am from the future where the Power Creep revolution is most definitely a thing, but... Haste? ST Haste? Really? There is almost no situation whatsoever where ST Haste is not a waste of a skill slot, especially on WM4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 05:59:14 PM
You really should slot a dedicated White Mage for those. Even with a 3* staff, they do it better than Gordon while sporting typically superior durability. Notably, they can also cast Protectga, Slowga, Shellga and Diaga, which Gordon can't do. Heck, since you can't craft Full Break as of now, Y'shtola would be doing his job better.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 30, 2015, 06:03:15 PM
So I've easily had worse luck than all y'all on the fucking draws, haven't donated a goddamn CENT to this game, and am still clearing base events and doing at least + fights, managed last event's ++ fight. So... maybe I have an idea of what I am fucking doing
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 30, 2015, 06:08:18 PM
So I've easily had worse luck than all y'all on the fucking draws, haven't donated a goddamn CENT to this game, and am still clearing base events and doing at least + fights, managed last event's ++ fight. So... maybe I have an idea of what I am fucking doing

Nah, not actually true. You're still using Gordon, after all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 30, 2015, 06:44:03 PM
So I've easily had worse luck than all y'all on the fucking draws, haven't donated a goddamn CENT to this game, and am still clearing base events and doing at least + fights, managed last event's ++ fight. So... maybe I have an idea of what I am fucking doing

Not even touching this, don't feel like being pointlessly mean today.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 30, 2015, 07:26:19 PM
As long as we're not talking about anything

I could totally slap this on the likes of ... Terra

I guess you could say her default SB

is really

TERRA-ble

ha ha ha ha ha

Winning.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 31, 2015, 08:20:55 AM
I want to point out that my statement wasn't intended to be mean or condescending. I honestly thought you might have overlooked the fact that you now have a 5* ranged weapon that one of your dedicated supports can use, which really would help out your team. If you really -do- like Gordon and want to use him, by all means. This game is difficult, but if you carefully build your team, you should be able to use just about anyone you like.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 31, 2015, 02:31:15 PM
Hopefully we'll get the big Gordon buff in two months or so. Then he'll only be Josef-level squishy instead of bottom-tier mage PDur, so he's actually somewhat usable on the frontlines. Also 95 -> 121 atk.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 31, 2015, 03:09:15 PM
Beat Jenova Death, then went back and champion'd life.  Both cases, I had to blow a Mithril for a bonus, because my abilities weren't quite honed high enough.  Death gave me +2 Abilities which was all I needed, Life...ok, I don't think I needed it there, but I used it anyway for insurance since I got +10% Def, and the durability push wasn't enough to make a difference here, more just managing my damage mitigation better.

So yeah, Cloud's event fully finished!  Now to abuse that last few bits of Orb Fest!  I did at least hone a Tempo Flurry to level 5.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 31, 2015, 03:22:23 PM
Hopefully we'll get the big Gordon buff in two months or so. Then he'll only be Josef-level squishy instead of bottom-tier mage PDur, so he's actually somewhat usable on the frontlines. Also 95 -> 121 atk.

Gordon having less Attack than Rinoa and Quistis always made me feel vaguely bad for him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 31, 2015, 08:13:22 PM
I want to point out that my statement wasn't intended to be mean or condescending. I honestly thought you might have overlooked the fact that you now have a 5* ranged weapon that one of your dedicated supports can use, which really would help out your team. If you really -do- like Gordon and want to use him, by all means. This game is difficult, but if you carefully build your team, you should be able to use just about anyone you like.

Since it's a XIII I might use it on Wakka during the + battles, just because of synergy. I have to see what the actual bosses are/what they can do.

Really, though, the thing about using Gordon in the front is one of the only Soul Breaks I have is Auron's, which makes physical durability literally the last of all of my concerns. With Gordon in front, I get 5* support who can Curaga, cast situational black or white magic, use swords, equip one of the two "Do more damage with swords" materias I have floating around. And his default SB makes him significantly harder-hitting than anyone I have save Auron for raw physicals. And he sometimes beats HIM, too. So I get great damage, curaga, and the support abilities I learned after a while that I was honestly missing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 31, 2015, 09:35:39 PM
Wouldn't Cecil basically do all that better, though? I mean, I doubt you use 4* Support skills yet (given you were using Golbez for it). And uh Cecil's L50 stats are considerably better than Gordon's L65 stats...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 31, 2015, 10:54:15 PM
Got Sephiroth to L65, which pretty much completes my involvement with Orbfest. Gone back to Hope's event, in which Lightning does 8600 damage in basic physicals to difficulty 40 mooks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on October 31, 2015, 11:46:01 PM
Cecil WOULD be better for damage/support, yeah. He lags pretty considerably on the "amount of HP healed" front, though, and... well, I can't get him to 65.

Make no mistake, unless I'm specifically trying a boss rush, my default party is gonna consist of "people I can still level" as much as possible. (I might have to keep Auron/Golbez when the time comes)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 01, 2015, 12:08:49 AM
I'm still wondering why aren't you just running a White Mage. I'm certain there's a 4* staff you can get from mastering an early Elite dungeon somewhere around (besides the 4* Rod you can get from mastering some early FF4 elite) and you honestly don't need much else (not to mention I could master those earlygame elite dungeons when I had about as much gear as you do have now, less levels and less than half the available skillset currently. Oh, and no Record Materia). All else considered, you'd probably get over twice as much from running even -Refia- with the Evil Lantern and Y'shtola with a 4* staff than you'd get with Gordon, since the Evil Lantern has higher ATK than the Golden Sword. Zack + White Mage would also be an alternative - one with a great skillset and stat mix at that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 01, 2015, 12:29:26 AM
Orbfest final Major Orb tally: 1 Black, 1 Dark, 3 Ice, 2 Non, 3 Wind, 1 Power.

Didn't spend any mythril on stamina refreshes but I used almost all available stamina on this event (other than Cloud event during phase 2 and 3).

Would have liked more major power, but overall I'm content.  Will be in good shape once orb conversion comes around.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 01, 2015, 12:29:45 AM
I want to point out that my statement wasn't intended to be mean or condescending.


oh yeah?  well eff that get good scrub.  back when i was as bad at you at the game and the game was actually hard instead of catering to casuals i beat this shit with uphill both ways and am literally a better person for it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 01, 2015, 12:49:26 AM
I have no idea how you people manage to not sound condescending ever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 01, 2015, 01:52:26 AM
i just go for demeaning instead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: MC50 on November 01, 2015, 04:16:00 AM
Managed to get Cloud's MC2 - Actually the first boss rush/++ battle I attempted.

The Boss Rush was actually not bad at all, but the Jenova LIFE battle was a fair bit tougher. Still, good to know I can actually do some of those.

Got most everyone I had to 50, except cores and a couple random characters I hadn't leveled up yet like Josef and Dark Knight Cecil.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 01, 2015, 05:32:27 AM
This last phase might as well been called greater wind phase, cause that's all I got from it!

No seriously,  I may have gotten 30 greater orbs and 25 of them were wind orbs...

I really want NE ones too...

Ah well.

Orb fest was good to me, so you shan't catch me complain.

Onto this losers event!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 01, 2015, 11:12:41 AM
Orbfest is finally over. End results were mainly honing Firaja to R4, crafting Full Break, honing Valefor to R3, maxing a few 3*s, stashing enough orbs for Blizzaja R3 and Ruinga R3, honing 3* summons high, getting close to R2 Meteor and getting all my recruits sans Knight to L50 or above. Maxed all relevant MC2 people, too. I'll likely never touch a Heroic daily again (because + dailies will come soon).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on November 01, 2015, 12:44:26 PM
The 4* Rod is from the Waterfall Cave in FF4's Elite and the 4* Staff is from the second FF7 Elite dungeon.

Both weapons are actually really good, too, I think because they're unique. At least, I've never seen another copy of them anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 01, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
Welp, got Agrias, Ramza, and Cloud to 60ish, and Garnet is at 64, so that was levelling day. The X2 event dropped on Saturday, so I spend my last handfuls of stamina clearing through those. Decided I'm not even going to lose the 60 stamina on losing to the Gigases, I'd rather just dungeon crawl and clean up mythril to maybe do a second 11 pull before the FFT banner ends next Sunday.

The game is feeling more chorelike and less fun over the last few days, so hey maybe I'll stop obsessively thinking about it all the time soon. That'd be nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 02, 2015, 09:20:19 AM
Hahahaha, OK game. I say I'm getting bored of you and then you give me Ramza's Throw Stone SB bangle. I should threaten to quit the game every time I'm about to do a 50 mythril pull.

Think I'm still gonna skip all non-Black Power and Ice/NE orb farming days this week in lieu of getting enough mythril to go for a second pull. Depends on if farming any skills will help me through the FFT Divine boss.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 02, 2015, 02:03:17 PM
Hope event boss rush and boss battles: lol

There's honestly little to say, really. Gross FFXIII synergy and over-reliance on physicals made the entire string a joke. Shiva was particularly sad, eating it to Draw Fire Snow taking double-digit damage post-mitigation. I still have Barthandelus' event quest to do, but that'll have to wait until I'm done with DU12's classic dungeons because I want to get FF4 over with as soon as possible. Amazing how that game consistently has the worst dungeons in FFRK. Can't say it's not faithful to its source.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 02, 2015, 02:04:31 PM
FFRK JP: Did a pull on the FFX-2 banner and got Jecht's Sin Fang. Fuck yeah that is beautiful. Main team is currently Ramza, Jecht, Gilgamesh, and two whatever-I-needs. Mostly Tyro with SG and a Healer/Summoner. I managed to beat Gafgarion with my pitiful levels and get Ramza/Agrias' MC1s, but those MC2s just aren't happening at these levels.

I think I can get powerful enough before Yuna's event ends to get some MC2s there. Gotta keep clearing History dungeons for Stamina and alternate the event/daily-grinding/story progress before the time runs out. It's an interesting balancing act at these low levels.

FFRK Global: Conversely, here I'm just putting off the end of Hope's event because I'm sure I can clear it easily enough. Especially with Lv78 Cloudtaliate + Tyro w/ SG and CloudRM3 + my new stash of mage weapons, including Tellah's MP-restoring SB.

What a strange world I'm in that I could skip the Sunday EXP grind but I'm desperately running the upgrade mat dungeon to start powering up all my new toys. I also managed to pick up two more Gold Bangles (FFXIII) from the dollar-pulls, so I'm not sure whether I'll power those up or actually make a 7-star Bangle...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 02, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
DJ: Honestly, you should really just grind dungeons until you have 80 stamina or so. I remember my first few weeks playing, I couldn't even really afford to do daily dungeons until I had a decent stamina stash, and then had no real need of doing so until after. How much of that was a quality of life thing to assuage my Timebux OCD is left as an exercise to the reader.  If you're hellbent on the Yuna event's blank MC2, you will probably have to spend mythril.

Honestly, if you're able to get, R3Taunt/Retaliate, since you're running Gilgamesh you may be able to squeeze out Agrias' MC2 if you're willing to blow the mythril. Ramza's is probably out of your reach unless you can get Power BD AND Protectga and are willing to blow even more mythril. So, yeah, probably out of your reach.

Enough about you, more about me.

Gafgarion and Weigraf down, Ramza and Agrias' MC2s get. I'm 1000% sure that it's just the OST + Nostalgia but these fights were much more fun than FF2's. Admittedly, neither were more interesting than the Emperor, but meeeeeh I just couldn't be arsed. I did Gafgarion much earlier today. Wasn't hard and the only interesting thing about it is that one of my RWs switched to Scream and I used that instead of SG. Hoooly shit, 3 physical fighters dealing 8k~ with physicals after armor break. While hasted. That SSB be legit, yo.

Weigraf I just finished. Party was

Ramza (Power BD, Armor BD), Katana Damage 1.2x, Masamune/So Kai Armlet/FFT Bracer
Aeris (Diaga, Curaga), nothing interesting
Gilgy (Indoor Spell, Wind Jump), Protectga ribbon
Garnet (Valefor, Curaja), nothing interesting
Agrias (Come at , Drain blade), HP Down -> Damage Up, stuff

Went less for being super optimal and more for playing around with the freedom Agrias' skillset gives to see if I could beat a +++ boss like this (after all, if I lost I could just optimize and win it easily. It didn't look like a hard fight). I played around with having Ramza sing Power Song before I remembered having both of his breakdowns hit was a medal req. Fortunately Garnet's default SB is a shitty version of that so the idea was still there. Really wanted to see how well the Draw Attack + Drain Blade with the HP down->Damage up RM fared. It was no Come At Me Bro but it is waaay less boring. Gilgamesh's wind jump was mostly to see if it would hit Weigraf while he was "moved away". It did! Not nearly as good as just having a mage, but hey, science. With that, Ramza and Zack's SBs, and the free 5* ball, I now have ways to deal with that gimmick if using Terra is sub optimal.

That having been said playing around made the fight needlessly difficult and I missed the mastery. It wasn't ever overwhelming, but... Blood Suck Strats don't get around his counters, and counters aren't affected by Taunt and they always seemed to proc status at the absolute worst times. Especially annoying was when Weigraf was at <10% health and silenced my mages. :( I'll go back in srs bzns mode and get mastery EZ though. Just to guarantee mastery I'll probably just go straight Come At Me Bro strats, swap Agrias for Terra flinging dualcast -aja spells, and be booooooring. I will probably pop a bit of a chub at Gilgamesh countering Weigraf's 4x Strike attack though. Agrias tanking that then Blood Sucking didn't have nearly the same unf factor. :(

After today's luck Ramza now has a basically permanent spot on my Go Time team thanks to his burst damage and Support 5. His RM2 ain't bad either, all skills give more SB gauge. Getting him to L80 or near enough that I don't feel like I'm wasting EXP but don't have him gimped is now top priority. I'll probably run him and Garnet as a duo next Sunday. Since both he and Sephiroth compete for my Masamune Sephy is probably getting bumped more often than not for Gilgy if I need muscle.

Agrias' skillset synergizes incredibly well (Knight/Spellblade is wonderful and WM4+ is almost the best skillset in the game even with kinda crap mind. Won't be doing any healing, but definitely works for de/buffs), but I unfortunately don't have any 5* swords (almost to the point of frustration), and she can't use anything but swords and Daggers. My 5* Assassin's knife will work for now but she'd really be much better with something with a good attack score. Her niche is unique enough that she won't ever be useless but she will probably wind up always playing second string to Gilgy for the time being. Still, once I get a 5* sword I'm going on a 4* Spellblade honing spree.

Lessee... Drain Blade/Draw Attack made me briefly consider upgrading Drain Dive for Gilgy, but the reqs are all Greater Orbs that are currently in very high demand (Lightning/Wind/Dark) for me. :( Not worth it when I need Wind for basically any non-buff WM and Dark for eventual Ruinga (i really wish I hadn't gotten R3 quake. I did not know about Ruinga. I now check my other options a lot more carefully), and Lightning is getting upgraded for R2 Full Break, or possibly turned into R4 Thundaja.

FFX2 dungeons got my FF10 scrubz up to L20, so good for them. This game actually has really good music, and that has made the fights pretty enjoyable despite never playing the game. Enough so that had I still had a PS2 and time I would be kinda tempted to try it out. Fenrir liked it, after all.

Waiting on the EDIT: Velius victory videos to come out to tackle him, but he looks waaaaaaaay more doable than the Elemental Gigases, even with the adds. Worse to worst, I craft R1 Meteo finally and brute force it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 02, 2015, 05:20:05 PM
From the videos already out (there's a couple of 'em on the FFRK subreddit), Velius is all about managing crowd control and the AoE, most of it magical in nature. The support doesn't seem that durable either.

EDIT: Also, people are insane and two-manned the Alexander boss fight. With Hope and Vanille.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdNh3g3lpy8&feature=youtu.be

EDIT2: If anyone's interested, here's the Mysidia remix used for FFRK's Halloween Celebration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyWyGJsfxnM
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 02, 2015, 06:21:20 PM
So now that orb fest and the Sunday experience grinds are over...

The only characters not at 50 on my squad are fu so ya, mog, dragoon, and knight.

...maria, zell, leon, viking, and Edward are at 49 I guess.

Everyone else is 50 or higher.

Either way. I'll be glad to be finish leveling these core characters. Samurai was by far the worst so far.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 02, 2015, 11:24:49 PM
Cleared all classic dungeons on DU12, also went and cleared Seymour Flux and Ogopogo dungeons because I wanted to get rid of the most annoying parts of it early. Suppose that makes elite Lunasaurs my next targets.

REGARDLESS: Ogopogo is a pain in the ass, being a more aggressive version of Dark Bahamut with gravity magic counters. And my good FF4 synergy is all magic. Welp, Reflect to the rescue, then. Paladin Cecil was as useful for keeping my party healthy up to Ogopogo as he was for Dark Bahamut, at least, which is always a plus. Boon was a lifesaver here as well.

Seymour Flux is also kinda annoying, though I probably made it unnecessarily hard on myself by bringing a L50 Red XIII (fresh out of cap-breaking) and Hope. On the winning run, Silence didn't land until -after- Seymour casted Reflect, which led me to using my mages to smack Mortiorchis instead. Not a bad move, really, each Mortibsorption scores a free 9k on Flux. And Spiral Cut also helped adding up the damage there. I knew I'd be thankful for Brotherhood sooner than later, FFX synergy's among the most important ones to have in spades.

EDIT: Oh, also completed Barthandelus' event quest. Laser wasn't difficult.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on November 03, 2015, 01:40:18 AM
I checked my orb count and saw I had 101 Greater Black Orbs and 79 Greater Fire Orbs after orbfest, which I took as a sign to hone Firaja to R3. Just in time for the boss rush in Hope's event!

Also honed Ruinga to R3 ASAP. Down to 41 GBOs now, but I don't think I'll be spending anymore in the short term future.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 03, 2015, 01:48:00 AM
I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm already counting my GBOs in order to have Thundaja honed to R4 by the time I end Battle at the Big Bridge's event. Afterwards, I have Blizzaja to hone to R3 at an absolute minimum for Calamity Exdeath in January (I'd like it at R4, but the GBO demand is so stringent I can't realistically achieve that sans absolutely gross luck on Dr. Lugae farming). For the absolute short-term, there's also R2 Meteor to look forward to, I'm only three Major Earth Orbs short of it and Celes' reissue event hands me that much.

After that, at least, I'll be able to parse my GBOs more leisurely, working on life-quality measures like R4 Ruinga and Bioga/Darkra/Drainga honing instead of wide-shut necessities.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 03, 2015, 02:03:44 AM
Finished the Hope event, although I still have to do that event quest.

Boss rush was easy enough, although Garuda's barrier is so annoying.  Lost 1 action and 1 damage on him, 1 damage on Litebrite guy.

I actually lost the ++ battle to the Doom timer, because I went in with too many defensive abilities.  Took Curaga off Selphie and replaced it with Diaga.  Yes I did a boss battle without Curaga.  Mako Might+Selphie=win.

+++ fight is a joke.  All physical boss, mostly single target?  Wow that's just sad.  Also fuck you game for making me level three characters I don't care about.

I think I'm actually happier about the 20 Giant Scarletite than the 3 Major NEOs.

Also wtf at Ruinga being another ability that uses Greater Dark Orbs.  Too much competition for that one orb type.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on November 03, 2015, 02:15:04 AM
I have no idea what you're talking about, I'm already counting my GBOs in order to have Thundaja honed to R4 by the time I end Battle at the Big Bridge's event. Afterwards, I have Blizzaja to hone to R3 at an absolute minimum for Calamity Exdeath in January (I'd like it at R4, but the GBO demand is so stringent I can't realistically achieve that sans absolutely gross luck on Dr. Lugae farming). For the absolute short-term, there's also R2 Meteor to look forward to, I'm only three Major Earth Orbs short of it and Celes' reissue event hands me that much.

After that, at least, I'll be able to parse my GBOs more leisurely, working on life-quality measures like R4 Ruinga and Bioga/Darkra/Drainga honing instead of wide-shut necessities.

Yeah, I'm not even thinking about R4-ing any 4* ability until after the second orbfest. Of course I spend way less time playing this game than you do, so naturally I'll be way behind on every hone.

Also this (https://ffrkstrategy.gamematome.jp/game/951/wiki/Event%20Dungeons_Tuesday%20Dungeons_Ebonfist%20Keep%20%28IV%29%20+) is probably coming really soon, which should keep the hardcore farmers like Snow busy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 03, 2015, 02:23:30 AM
Just when I thought I'd never farm for a 3* orb again. Well, for better odds at 4* orbs and those seven free mythril, I'll bite.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 03, 2015, 06:51:43 AM
Done with Hope's event.

Had to redo the ++ fight because I forgot to bring Hope with me (for some reason, I brainfarted and brought Vanille/Snow).  Didn't need to S/L even once against Alexander.  Just blitzed the fights and collected my prizes.

Now I have a full day to actually do story dungeons!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 03, 2015, 08:38:08 AM
Planning my Velius party.

So, a couple options. The Arch Demons have 38000 HP or so. I have resources to craft Meteo AND get Valefor to R3, and with 5 charges of strong MT I would only have to deal ~7600 damage with each charge to take care of them with MT alone. That sounds very worth it. I can also hit their Elemental weakness with either WoL or Agrias' Record Materia, so I don't necessarily need to slot Diaga (Though that may well be a wise idea anyway).

So, let's assume Valefor and Meteo hit that (with buffing, not unreasonable). That leaves Velius himself with 197k. That seems like kind of a lot of damage to deal before I lose a turn medal, but OK. He's vulnerable to poison at 3.2k per tick, according to the Wiki, so that can help me out quite a bit with turn efficiency. He's not actually weak to poison, though, so it's not worth crafting Bioga.  But, Zack has a damage SB, and can use Tempo Flurry AND Venom Buster, so he can be my status workhorse. Hmm.  So, in light of that, I think I'll go

Ramza (F4 Magic Breakdown, R3 Indoor Spell?), Katana Damage 1.2x
Zack (R4 Venom Buster, R5Tempo Flurry), Holy Attack RM
Terra (R4 Waterja, R1 Meteo) Dualcast Black
Yuna (R3 Valefor, R4Curaga) who cares
Aeris (R3 Shellga, R4Curaja) who cares
SG/Stoneraskin RW

It'd be nice if I had Garnet's RM3 (Dualcast Summon), or Cloud's RM3 but oh well.

I don't know exactly what I'll put in Ramza's second skill slot. Mana's Praen is an option, and it will almost guarantee my 5 Meteo/Valefor charges eat through the Arch demons. Lifesiphon is probably the better option, though, since Throw Stone is 10k+ damage with turn cancel. Depending on my survivability, it may be worth putting Shellga on Yuna and giving Aeris Water of Strength to squeeze more damage out of Throw Stone/Air Strike, too. This SEEMS like my best setup at the moment, anyway. I could also swap Zack for Kefka, but the added damage from Kefka using Mana's Praen and Waterja (I'd likely slot Ramza with Mental BD, too) would have to outpace 3.2k damage a tick + Zack's occasional Air Strike damage to be more efficient, and... well, hey, it may! I've never had to pay attention to POZN before so I don't know how much damage that actually is a turn, and Mana's Praen on 3 characters casting off of MAG before I get the SB gauge to use the Witch's Hat SB is potentially really freakin good. Especially if I slot Ramza with MenBD and Aeris with Diaga. The issue here I think is that I only have 3 natural 5* rods or staves and no FFT rod synergy so by default one character is going to be dealing suboptimal damage.

I think my rod situation, and not knowing how much healing I'm going to need, makes POIZNZack better for a first attempt. I'll keep plan B in mind for a second try though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 03, 2015, 09:01:42 AM
/me attempts Atomos Elite.

/me watches Atomos deal 6k with an unmitigated Comet late in the fight.

/me ends the fight with two dead PCs, missing mastery on the dungeon.

That's it, the kiddie gloves are OFF. Atomos, you're eating Sazh + third Black Mage in the face after I'm done with the other dungeons in this update.

EDIT: to Zenny, Poison ticks clock in every six seconds on speed 3 for 1.5% of the enemy's max health every tick, so if you proc it early, it seriously, seriously adds up. If you could slot an Engineer for the fight in order to exploit Poison Shot's higher accuracy, it'd be even better, but Venom Buster works in a pinch.

EDIT2: EEEEEEEEEE NEW DAILY DIFFICULTY IS OUT NOW MUST FARM

(On the Mythril-grabbing first run: two Magic Urns in a single stage, one of them handing me a Major Black. Rest of the stages gave me a Greater Black and a Greater Power. Thanks, RNGesus!)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 03, 2015, 09:35:25 AM
Eh, my only Engineer at Divine-boss capable levels is Edgar and ehhhh. The thing is that I can S/L until POZN procs and Zack is going to have better damage after that. Also, Venom buster is 3* while POZN SHOOTAN is 4*. From a resource standpoint I should just stick with Venom Buster.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 03, 2015, 09:49:43 AM
Yeah, hence the "if". As of now, Zack's your best poizn source anyway. Status proc attacks start seriously paying off, at a minimum, at R3 unless their rate's 70% or above.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 03, 2015, 01:10:54 PM
So...

Just pulled a 5* ff7 bracer from the daily relic pull.

Oh, and a new daily dungeon has been added. Yay.

Im on Alexander right now in hopes event. Looking for LH roaming warrior before tackling it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 03, 2015, 03:02:34 PM
Okay, so I decided to move on to the rest of DU12 instead of farming because I still need some rest from the hardcore farming back at Orbfest. Lunasaurs will be pretty unfun. At least, the next DU will have precisely zero FF4 content.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 03, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
Hope event done.

Well, I need to go back and do that 3 man party event...

Hmmmm
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 03, 2015, 03:42:34 PM
It's not really that hard, especially given you don't have to get mastery to fulfill the quest. Shellga is mandatory, non-elemental MT is a nice QoL measure, thunder and ice/water damage help Pauldron and Ailette go down faster. Worst comes to worst, you could Advantaliate him to death. Dropping 27k damage Blaze Rushes on Barthandelus was unreasonably satisfying on my end, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 03, 2015, 05:16:44 PM
So, Lunar Subterrane 3 and its egregious Lunasaurs -down-. Indeed, it was unfun, though the winning run had them using Bad Breath only once and it missed two PCs, i.e. Medica II RW to the rescue. Highlight of the battle was Rydia dealing 9999 damage to them with Ifrit, which helped a lot. Fortunately, even on Elite, they're rather fragile (they're likely sub-100k HP, which, at this point of the metagame, goes down very quickly, especially with easily exploitable weaknesses). Bringing both Quake and Ruinga paid off nicely both at handling the trash (which, outside the Warlocks, will -not- eat OHKOs, so the extra expendable resources come in handy) and for the Lunasaurs, since Golbez was hitting the Lunasaurs for 9k a pop even before Faith. At this point, I thank the stars for FF4 being the realm with my second-best overall synergy load. Only Plague Horror left to deal with, and he's comparatively a total chump.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 03, 2015, 08:44:53 PM
Beating Bart Simpson with a 3-man party was hard as fuck.  I don't have good FF13 synergy for starters.  And the real problem is that number of ability uses is more important than higher damage abilities because there's three rounds of trash mobs and they're too strong to be autobattled.

So here's the setup I used:

Selphie lvl 65 (Curaga r5, Diaga R4, Mako Might)
Cloud lvl 77 (Blizzara Strike r5, Thundara Strike r5, Sky Pirate's Pride)
Vivi lvl 65 (Blizzaga r5, Thundaga r5, Devotion)
Boon RW

Note that both of those Strikes and Thundaga were rank 3 or less before this.  So much for that stock of 3-star orbs.  Never thought I'd be using those abilities again.  Well played again, DeNa.

So blow ability uses on the trash mobs, making sure to keep at least four of each ability for the boss battle.  Use Boon at beginning of Pauldron/Ailette because their magic damage adds up fast.  Focus damage on one of them to drop it fast. Recast Boon right before the second one dies because you won't have time to use it when Bart appears.  Blow all Vivi's soul breaks (did about 11k each).  Keep everyone's hp topped off because Thanatosian Smile hurts without mitigation.  Selphie had to use all three stocks of her SB and every one was critical.  You also have to use it preemptively because of the casting time, and because there's always another Thanatosian Smile around the corner.

He still killed Vivi right before dying, but Selphie Diaga'd him in the face for his insolence.

Probably the hardest thing I've pulled off in this game so far, and not worth 1 Major Orb.  Just glad I didn't have to spend a mythril on it.

150/151 quests done, come on Flare Strike!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 03, 2015, 09:03:40 PM
I have discovered my weakness and it is enemies that deal massive magic damage. I got sources of shell and of course sentinel's/stoneskin buddies, but what I really think I need is some good old fashioned bustin'.

So... reorganizing things in my party to coincide with that need.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 03, 2015, 09:29:30 PM
Stacking busts and buffs is -paramount- to survival on high-end content. Also be aware that Shell and Protect stack with Sentinel's Grimoire/Stoneskin II, and Protectga and Shellga are two of the most important abilities to craft for the long haul. If you have White Mage's RM2, you can even use them at the start of every battle even at R1.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 04, 2015, 12:22:22 AM
Stacking busts and buffs is -paramount- to survival on high-end content. Also be aware that Shell and Protect stack with Sentinel's Grimoire/Stoneskin II, and Protectga and Shellga are two of the most important abilities to craft for the long haul. If you have White Mage's RM2, you can even use them at the start of every battle even at R1.

How dare you.

Don't you know he has easily had worse luck than all of us on the fucking draws, hasn't donated a goddamn CENT to this game, and is still clearing base events and doing at least + fights, and managed last event's ++ fight. So... maybe he has an idea of what he is fucking doing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 04, 2015, 12:30:45 AM
Some stuff that is not the sound of sloppy blowjobs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 12:47:30 AM
HEY. Sloppy blowjobs are -my- schtick.

ANYHOW. DU12 entirely completed. Took a Vivi/Golbez/Rydia/Sazh/Eiko party to Atomos take 2, which involved a lot of burning and drowning during its slumber. Full-medaled the run just for added insult to injury. Sanctuary Keeper in its story dungeon version is a complete loser in comparison to the horrifying monstrosity we had to deal with in Auron's event. Highlight of the battle involved Boost'd Tidus dropping 13k damage Tempo Flurries after stacking Full Break and Status Reels. You seriously don't even have Break resistance on Elite, SK? Seriously?

In other news, Plague Horror was as much of a chump as predicted and Biran/Yenke can be charitably labeled as roadkill.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 04, 2015, 04:43:46 AM
Man that free Gold Sword is really bad.  85 attack, compared to 104 for the Zantetsuken and 108 for the Blitz Sword.

Dusk Lance on the other hand is really good!*  111 attack and a chance to cause blind.


*on Balthier
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 04, 2015, 05:10:14 AM

How dare you.

Don't you know he has easily had worse luck than all of us on the fucking draws, hasn't donated a goddamn CENT to this game, and is still clearing base events and doing at least + fights, and managed last event's ++ fight. So... maybe he has an idea of what he is fucking doing.

You wanna hug it out?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 04, 2015, 06:30:37 AM

How dare you.

Don't you know he has easily had worse luck than all of us on the fucking draws, hasn't donated a goddamn CENT to this game, and is still clearing base events and doing at least + fights, and managed last event's ++ fight. So... maybe he has an idea of what he is fucking doing.

You wanna hug it out?

If I hug you can I still use my new favorite copypasta?

Because it's pretty brilliant.

EDIT: Went Come At Me Bro strats on Weigraf and STILL missed the fucking Mastery. Ugh. I'll come back to that one later. Or not. The Rosetta stone and the Major Holy Orbs would be nice but I wanna move on to...

Velius.

Smells like goat demon.

Still S/Ling, it's kinda tedious since not only does POZN have to proc first or second try for the run to be worth playing through (while I'm sure I'd win, I'm almost positive I would miss the mastery), but the adds need to not pile on the same character before all my mitigation gets up.

So, unbuffed, Meteo and Valefor just barely don't wipe out the Arch Demons, and deal 5900 damage to Velius. Buffed with Mana's Praen, I imagine the 5 shots would in fact off them. As it is, the adds can be taken out in a couple hits afterwards, but what's walled me so far and prevented me from moving onto the next phase of the fight is that at that low health, their Life Drain attack (thank god it doesn't actually drain. It is however OTD as far as I can tell) OHKOs my mages, so there's a lot of RNG stumbling blocks that need to fall juuuuuust right for me to make it out of this phase. Once I'm out of this phase, though, it should be home clear. Velius himself isn't actually that threatening so long as I keep him debuffed.

Actually, the way the first phase of the fight has been going, I wonder if I shouldn't just aim for only missing one damage medal instead of turn optimization. I'll have to look into the reqs more closely to tell.

EDIT: Beaten. As anticipated, once that adds were dead he was pretty easy, though he gets a new attack at <50% health that would have made things touch-and-go if not for Aerith's SSB. Also as anticipated, I missed the mastery. Unlike Weigraf's fight, those 6 Major Earth Orbs are too good to pass up if I can swing it, especially now that I've committed to Meteo as my 5* black magic of choice.  I think swapping Zack out for Kefka with Waterja/Mana's Praen and giving Terra Firaja, and swapping out Indoor Spell for Mental Breakdown will do the trick, though. Zack's status was nice and certainly contributed, but unbuffed his Dual Delay only dealt 2k or so, and Air Strike only dealt 5000 or so. That said, that also could leave me running out of gas right at the end because I'm out of charges. I'll have to do some math.

Either way, I'm gonna hold off for now, though, because I can potentially get Ramza's RM2 (Actions give more SB) to offset the loss of Indoor Spell (though missing that 20% damage may mean it isn't worth it) and Garnet's RM3 (Dualcast Summon. DEFINITELY worth it if it procs even once) before the event ends on Monday. I'm also gonna try to dungeon dive enough this week to get another 11 FFT pull, and I may pull a weapon that affects my load out. I should also start chipping through Yuna's event, since that ends on Monday too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 08:43:28 AM
Did the new Wednesdailies, collected sweet Mythril and Greater Orbs along the way. S'pose I'll get those bonus quests for Greater Growth Eggs out of the way today, before Celes' reissue lands. Since I'll need to use both Setzer and Celes for this event, may as well pick up some shelled XP for them.

EDIT: Also, I'm mentally six years old.

(http://i.imgur.com/AJDgjRs.gif)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on November 04, 2015, 09:43:23 AM
I'm trying to parse what that even is and failing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 04, 2015, 09:46:35 AM
Looks like Hope running from Vanile, then Vanile crashing into Isaaru for some reason then jumping and landing on Hope?

I don't get it. Is this memes?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 09:52:20 AM
Dumb reddit memes doing a horrible pun with Hope's event (called, in Global, "Chasing Hope"). As I said, I'm six years old.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 04, 2015, 10:12:57 AM
Is this memes?

memes
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 11:48:06 AM
Crossing out old elite dungeons yet again in order to collect Greater Growth Eggs. Dear lord, early dungeon design was so stupid. Why did Figaro Castle need to have five stages? Why is it a 51 difficulty dungeon among the very first batch of unlocked content, which jumps back to 20 difficulty after Mt. Kolts? Hell, why does it have trash that hits as hard as a typical difficulty 90 dungeon? Going back to the darkest age of this game really weirds me out.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 04, 2015, 12:10:40 PM
The worst sin was one of FF4's. Fabul Castle dungeon, I think it was. In the age of autobattle, that one makes you hit 7 different 1-round trash stages. oh my fucking god why are you making me hit more buttons when I can just autobattle through these stages.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 12:25:54 PM
Fabul Castle is simply undefendable. Doesn't help that FF4 dungeons in general have the most annoying fights and target score gimmicks throughout, either. The bad design is strewn all over the game's representation, which is really the worst thing to be faithful to.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 04, 2015, 01:01:47 PM
Literally the thing that made me overcome the OCD treadmill addiction.  Note: I have a very strong weakness to that addiction.

Who knew the cure was a mix of needing to be a better human being than Zenny, FF4 and shit game design?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 04, 2015, 01:12:05 PM
Doing bonus events for exp eggs before setzer cones out.

Hope I get his relic, cause I'd like for him to be more support unit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 01:19:17 PM
Setzer's character relic (of a UNIQUE weapon type ONLY HE can use and they didn't even give him another SB as of now. Seriously, they even gave him thrown weapons, what the fuck?) is so goddamn insulting it doesn't even really change his game -at all-. He's literally FF6 Wakka with a considerably worse relic SB and the option of swords. DeNa really has it in for FF6 PCs not named Terra, Celes and Mog (and even the latter two are a more recent endeavor).

As for the rest of the banner set... uhhhhhhh it's less trashy than Terra's reissue. This says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 04, 2015, 01:20:34 PM
Fabul Castle is okay as a one-off.  Seems like they quickly learned it was a bad idea.  Still a great place to farm RM2s!

FF6 dungeons in general are way overtuned.  Mt. Kolts is the hardest dungeon in the game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 01:26:32 PM
Fabul Castle is okay as a one-off.  Seems like they quickly learned it was a bad idea.  Still a great place to farm RM2s!

FF6 dungeons in general are way overtuned.  Mt. Kolts is the hardest dungeon in the game.

Some of them seem actually -bugged-. Some dataminers noted on Mt. Zozo that enemy stats spike wildly between stages in that dungeon, for instance. Mt. Kolts, as you noted, is also bizarrely brutal. Those Elite Dark Wings hit harder than Elite Shinra Cargo ship mooks, which are almost double the difficulty value of that one dungeon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 04, 2015, 01:55:58 PM
I use fabul castle to reset my roaming warrior.

That's why it's there right?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 02:02:10 PM
Considering Fabul Castle was one of the release dungeons and Roaming Warriors didn't show up until much later, nope, just incidental meta.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 04, 2015, 06:06:51 PM
So I switched my RW to Celes and her relic.

Let's see if I can get more then 600 bucks out of this!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 06:37:33 PM
Probably less, Celes is insanely niche and mostly crazy useful for specific fights only. You should -never- set your RW with the purpose of getting gil anyway, the returns are pitiful even if it gets used a lot.

Speaking of FF6, got the Growth Egg pertaining Sabin's bonus quest. Recruiting him this way is such a -complete- gyp. Elite Mt. Kolts is a 91 stamina hell gauntlet of a dungeon that can work through the resources of a high-end ready party and then they hand you the worst monk in the game for your troubles. Well played, DeNa.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 04, 2015, 10:35:37 PM
Just beat Alexander, relied on Draw Fire + Advantaliate because honestly, timed fight is stupid and annoying and I needed a sure way to do it and still needed S/L.  At least its' done, mastered, and screw the Event Quest.

Working on Mt. Koltz myself between event drops for the Greater Growth Egg, mostly didn't finish because 91 Stamina what the hell? Interestingly, I apparently already mastered that and don't know how I did it before, since my party is clearly way stronger now than it was when I tackled this and already 2 PCs are dead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 10:47:30 PM
Back when I did it in like early June, I had to blow a Mythril just to finish it because it's so grossly overtuned. Even now, those fucking Darkwings can 2HKO my mages without fuss unless I cast Protectga.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on November 04, 2015, 10:48:16 PM
What I really hate about FF4 dungeons in RK are all the high levelled, high HP trash who resist almost every element, some of whom can use AoE magic to boot. I assume that this dickery is inspired by the remake, since I sure as hell don't remember it from the original version (which didn't even have Water, Wind, or Earth as proper elements).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2015, 10:51:39 PM
I'm almost certain of that, since most of the relevant design in FF4 dungeons uses FF4DS as a basis. See the Four Fiends, for instance.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 05, 2015, 01:17:00 AM
To be fair, most of the FF4 Bosses had the same gimmicks in FF4DS, just many of them were tweaked to be more annoying.  No guys, Rubicante having Scorch be MT and heal him is not fun, especially when elemental weakness is now 1.5x damage across the board instead of 2x on some enemies, 4x on others...and the "physical weapons ignore cape" feature is gone.

The one fight that had a change that I actually approve of is Golbez.  Making him a Barrier Change boss turned him from a generic fight where you start with dead PCs to a legit fight that encourages reviving the other characters, while being a defensive gimmick so you don't feel all "OH GOD I CAN'T RECOVER FROM THE PLOT STUFF!"  He's not worthless offensively, but you definitely feel like you have time to recover. 

Honestly, FF4 fights do tend to bug me as well.  Rubicante again pisses me off simply because of the Cape Mechanic is so annoyingly handled.  Not only do you have a charge time on everything possibly leading into smacking him when the cape is up, his cape coming down is a random chance, so you could be sitting ducks while he's just wailing on you if the RNG hates you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on November 05, 2015, 01:41:08 AM
P.S. the RNG hates you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on November 05, 2015, 02:05:34 AM
There've been at least two fights vs Rubicante where he entered Cape mode within 2-3 turns, and just refused to leave it until the very end of the battle. It was especially dumb after HP bars were added and I could see that he's 80% dead when he finally left, almost all of it via Retaliate while he had his cape up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 05, 2015, 02:18:15 AM
P.S. the RNG hates you.

Record Keeper in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 05, 2015, 05:22:19 AM
Yay setzer.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 05, 2015, 09:08:06 AM
Fittingly, the next JP event will release Relm, along with MC2s for Celes, Shadow and Relm herself. Oh, and banner 2 will give Terra's SSB again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 05, 2015, 09:32:31 AM
I've bitched about it before, but the timing gimmicks are easily the worst the game has to offer, and DeNA LOVES them for +++/Divine bosses. Ifrit/Shiva, Silver Dragon's flying, Weigraf moving away and closing in, blech. It almost always gets coupled with the second worst gimmick in the game, enemies moving away so melee attacks don't hit. Sigh.

---

Got Garnet's RM2 after clearing out Elite FF9 dungeons. It is terrible. Now just waiting on her RM3 to proc and then I'll have Dualcast summon. Yay. Finished Yuna's ++ event and a got fresh new blank MC2. Probably gonna do the +++ fight tonight, if it doesn't look like I need to do too much extra work to get Mastery, then go back to dungeoning.

Next event is an FF6 one, featuring Shadow, Strago, and Celes' MC2. Celes and Shadow are getting physical buffs, and Strago's being fixed so he can use 5* BM and 4* Summon. He still fills no niches I need, but hey, good for him.

Also, looking at Leblanc's Divine fight, fucking hell bosses are straight up nullifying breaks now? Siiiiigh. I guess I'll just need to keep using SG/Stonera Skin every fight ever.

EDIT: Where did you get info on the second banner? That's tempting enough for me to not spend Mythril trying for a sword for Agrias and just shoot for Terra's rod. Honestly that may be better for what I already have anyway... I already have a shitton of Black Magic crafted and the extra rod would let me do 4-mage support without one character having a gimp rod. That said the last thing I need is more FF6 synergy.

Also, probably gonna try to math out damage output against Velius later tonight to see if my 4 mage party is likely to kill before he runs out of charges. If not, I may tinker with finding something to buff physical damage and see if I can't squeeze out a mastery on that. I do still have R3 Flaming Weeaboo for damage output after all... If I got a Scream RW, shelved Terra for Sephiroth, put FWeeb and Reta on Seph... that just might work. Not having SG to mitigate early on sounds really freaking risky though. Mm.

EDIT2: Easiest. +++ Boss. Ever. No medals lost. It helped that Firaja/Blizzaja procced Dual Cast something absurd like 4 times, AND he never used his ITD attack but even if neither happened I had Reraise up before he was dangerous and had plenty of charges of everything left. Yeah. suck shit bro
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 05, 2015, 09:55:15 AM
The FFRK subreddit datamined both banners. The second one also has Celes' SSB, which is whoamgdamaeg + improved Runic, and Relm's Cat Hood, with which she paints Ultros to smack things with, seemingly. Oh, and another shot at Kefka's Mantle.

(There's also Locke's healing + damage SB there, but who cares about that in future!FFRK.)

EDIT: Speaking of FF6, just cap-broke Celes, will do the same to Setzer as soon as I get his Memory Crystal. It's kinda satisfying finally recovering all the early characters I happened to miss. No idea if I'll use Celes at any length, that Atk score's kinda uninspiring, but it's neat anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 05, 2015, 10:24:15 AM
Buffed Strago worries me to no end. Both he and Kimhari got very significant buffs that did not include the addition of Blue Magic to the system. Considering that aside from Quistis, they are the two most prominent Blue Mages in the series, this doesn't bode well for Blue Magic's inclusion into the system despite there being claims that it was being worked on.

I know Blue Magic is hit or miss in the series proper, but it is by far my favorite class in all of RPGdom and in a roundabout way, the reason I fell in love with RPGs in the first place. I would be really disappointed if they never implemented it in any way.

Come on, DeNA, you can even reasonably put it on CLOUD thanks to the E.Skill materia, make this happen!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 05, 2015, 10:35:20 AM
Snow: Yeaaaaah OK. Sold on the FF6 banner. I'll probably drop 15 myth on the FFT one once more and keep farming mythril now to maybe do 2 11 pulls on the second 6 banner. All that FF6 gear sounds super fuckin' sexy and with synergy for a realm that has events really frequently too.

DJ: Yeah, Blue Magic is an neat idea, but purely from a gameplay perspective I don't know what niche it would fill that isn't already filled by another skillset or three, or wouldn't be pretty freakin broken if it wasn't an SSB (or be completely useless). Wind Damage skills? Black/Spellblade. Mighty Guard/White wind? OP as fuck. Status? Support/Engineer...

Though, you know...

Actually, you know what might be neat? Implementing Blue as a status skillset of purely L? Status that procs 100% if not immune, but the level check is based on YOUR OWN level instead of the enemy's level. Then, fill the cast up with a decent number of characters able to use Blue Magic. You'd basically have to have 3-4 active Blue Mages at different levels to get the full use of the skillset. Maybe even add in more powerful LPrime skills so you don't just have every character sitting at L75, L78, and L80. Or, just make sure only one or two Blue mages have MC2s. That would be really fuckin interesting, if difficult to balance. You'd have to make it weaker than Engineer/3* Support to make it worth using, but not so weak that it's just taking up skill slots better used for something else on the +++/Divine fights.

Wow I really like that idea. Someone send DeNA a twitter post with my brilliance.

EDIT: Spent 15 mythril, no luck. Oh well. In brighter news, Garnet's RM3 procced so I have dualcast Summon now. Yay. After Yuna's +++ battle, I also have enough materials to craft R2 Alexander, and in a few weeks would have enough to get R3. Seriously considering this as an option for Velius. Due to weakness that's a guaranteed 19998 damage on the Arch demons (vs. 17500 or so with 3 Valefors), and 29997 (vs. 23000) if one Dualcast procs. That having been said, that deducts 5800 from damage dealt to Velius, though I think that's still a winning trade off for killing the Arch demons in 4 turns vs. 5 (+3  turns of ST damage if unbuffed) and not having to spend an extra turn to get the Use Weak vs. Archdemon medal req. It's also almost certainly a better pick for my other use of Major Holy Orbs, which would be... R1 Holy. I want Holy eventually but R1 Holy may as well be useless compared to R3 Diaga.

That said is it enough to net me mastery with no other changes? Maybe! Blitzing down the Arch Demons quicker also helps me out in reducing medals lost to damage, though I am pretty sure I'm losing 2 medals on that either way. Also, putting both Alexander and Valefor on Yuna is a potentially valid option for the Leblanc fight. I'd have 7 charges of (I'm assuming) 6k or so MT damage unbuffed with no dualcasts proccing, more if buffed, helping me get past that draw fire nonsense. Mmm... yeah, I think I'm sold.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 05, 2015, 12:11:11 PM
One question about the Leblanc fight: are you seriously vying for mastery there? Considering one of the mastery conditions is killing Ormi last... all of the videos running Leblanc Syndicate mastery I've seen went for focus fire strats, since Leblanc is both the frailest and most dangerous teammate (dispel, Not So Mighty Guard being the main concerns) and blinding one of Ormi and Logos (Ormi's Draw Fire also being shut down by Blind) is yet another target score. That fight seemed potentially very frustrating.

EDIT: Honestly, going for Alexander R2 in general isn't a bad idea. I have it crafted at R2 and it has served me well enough. Once I'm done with R4 Diaga and R4 Ruinga, R3 Alexander's where my Greater Holy Orbs will go. Curaja honing can wait until orb conversion sweeps in.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 05, 2015, 12:15:08 PM
I'd like to see the Blue Magic staples Mighty Guard (but with the Protect and Shell duration being notably shorter, easy balancing measure at a 4* ability) and White Wind (MT healing is currently only the domain of SBs, so low-charge version would work here, maybe the same charges at Summons? Probably a weaker-end heal too for balance).

Also, something like the Enfire/element skills would probably work nicely here. Minor fire damage skill, grants a buff such that all subsequent skills now have attached fire damage for X turns, or subsequent fire skills have greatly buffed damage. Kind of reminiscent of Gau's Rage effects too, which would be nice for him.

It'd be kind of cool if they introduced all the unadded status effects too, like Float, Toad, and Mini.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 05, 2015, 12:18:18 PM
Not as seriously as I'm vying for mastery against Velius, at least. The Major white orbs are way less enticing than major Earths. I'm going to try, anyway, but if it is blatantly obvious that it ain't happening then I'll just build for getting the fight beat. Those 3 Major blacks are like 2 weeks of farming.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 05, 2015, 12:20:17 PM
The problem with Blue Magic I -actually- see is that, for it to be a remotely accurate representation of the skillset, it'd have to seriously get in the way of the niches currently covered by SB relics - i.e. how the game makes money. I can't see it being implemented in less than two generations of power creep due to that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 05, 2015, 12:22:41 PM
Eh, they don't have to introduce the entire Blue Magic skillset at once. They certainly didn't with any of the other skillsets.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 05, 2015, 12:26:36 PM
Translated banners from Zidane to Sephiroth MC2 were just datamined, along with ETAs for them up to Shadow. Since they didn't find Rift of Recollection's banner, redditors are currently speculating that Seph's MC2's getting moved forward a bit so RoR covers Christmas. Speculated ETA for November's DUs are 11/8 and 22. Bartz/Gilgy go live on 11/11, Seifer/Squall MC2 on the 18th, Zidane on the 25th. Lulu goes live on December 2nd and Shadow on the 9th.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 05, 2015, 02:47:32 PM
Setzer's new ability will do 1287 damage on average, and it cannot be lowered.

Unfortuntately "average" isn't really painting the whole picture, since that's over twice as much damage as the second highest possible figure. The spread is 1, 22, 33, 444, 555, 6666.

Sooooo....

You have a 1 in 6 chance of doing really good damage, especially because it will always be 6666. However, 5 times out of 6, you're going to softly stroke the monster's face and tell it everything is going to be OK.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 05, 2015, 02:53:13 PM
Damaging default Soul Breaks suck and should never be used as soon as you have steady access to 2* abilities unless you're completely out of resources, episode 952.

This said, Setzer's functional but uninspiring. He's Wakka with slightly lower physical stats, slightly higher magical stats and a bit more outfitting-friendliness, since swords are, unlike thrown weapons and bows, easy to come by.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 05, 2015, 02:54:56 PM
With regards to Blue Magic, i think the issue is the actual implementation of it with the whole "learn spells from enemy" angle.  This is not easy to implement in a game like Record Keeper, and making it just a whole new magic class of abilities you can create just kind of defeats the purpose of making it Blue Magic.

That's something people tend to forget I think.  Disappointing, maybe, but given how long the game has been out and we've had many opportunities for Blue Magic implementation yet they haven't done it, I think at this point it's just easier to assume it's not happening and they'll simply buff the Blue Mages to be capable without it.  The way they have been handling has been crap anyway, balancing characters around a theoretical moveset that doesn't exist yet leads to a bunch of weaker characters that have to be shoved on backburner until that thing drops.

It's bad enough characters have to wait for Memory Crystals to be worth anything after a point, adding in "Wait for a whole skillset to drop!" is even worse.  In the case of, say, Machinist, that feels like a clear idea they came up with after the fact.  Those who got it didn't necessarily seem balanced around this concept existing, but more something of "hey, what if we did this?  This would help all these characters out and it's a cool unique idea!" and hence why it's implemented.  Blue Mages felt balanced around the idea first and the idea never presented itself and doesn't seem like it's happening, so either you buff the characters in more general ways, or you hold out for something that seems hard to implement.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 05, 2015, 03:26:17 PM
Welp, cap-broke Setzer. Dullahan is such a chump.

In other news, Celes is perfectly functional as a mage and becomes perfectly functional as a fighter as she grows closer to L65. The main problem I see with her is how much Spellblade and Black Magic crowd each other out. Combat 3 is -something- to use the attack stat with for non-weakness purposes, but it feels frankly insufficient. She's a very weird character, though honestly not very hard to use decently.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on November 05, 2015, 03:30:14 PM
I'd say the easiest way to implement Blue Magic is to have quests for it that require you to do something specific for certain bosses or areas. Then you can hone the Blue Magic like you normally would.

As for what they could introduce, well, they could do a lot. It doesn't necessarily matter if the spells are similar to other ones, but they could easily make them niche by having one be, say, Aqua Breath which can be a n MT Water attack or something.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 05, 2015, 03:35:50 PM
The thing is that they already have all the coding groundwork for Blue Magic in the game, according to dataminers. There's tags for Blue spells on monster abilities already. Things like Reflect and Runic are already set up to work with said Blue spells.

There's roughly 5000 ways you could implement the learning system. From something as basic as "The ability is a random drop from monsters who use the ability a la RM2s" to something as authentic and complex as "Must get the Learning RM from Blue Mage first and equip it on a PC, then get hit with spell for it to drop in your inventory after battle". You could even have the spell be unlocked in the ability crafting area by completing a certain stage with mastery or under a certain condition like "have a Blue Mage in the party". Honestly, that's the least troublesome part of the implementation.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 05, 2015, 04:57:30 PM
On Viking: "A seafaring warrior who shields his allies from enemy attacks. What the Viking lacks in speed, he makes up for in defense, making him the perfect companion to take the blows for the party."

/me looks at Viking's 69 base DEF at L50.

Yeah, Wakka-level DEF works -great- on a tank. Who doesn't even get Knight levels. Oh, cores, why so silly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 05, 2015, 06:35:06 PM
Soon, we'll get a flood of SSB weapons for cores that are like "+60 DEF/RES when mastered, and Taunt status for the rest of the battle!" or something silly like that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 05, 2015, 07:45:05 PM
Done with Celes event! Stacking a Breakdown with Full Break is hilariously satisfying. Can't wait until I can hone it to R2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 06, 2015, 12:01:43 PM
THE HORROR.

I woke up later than usual this morning and then had class all day. I probably wasted about 80 stamina before I could remedy the situation. :( :( :( :( :(

On a serious note, I got Cloud's MC2 with one of my blank ones, broke his level cap to 80, and got his RM2. Farming his RM3 and more mythril now. Not in the mood to obsess compulsively over Velius' and the Leblanc Cadre's fights tonight (esp. since whether or not I get Cloud's RM3 in a timely fashion could drastically change my setup for each), so I'll probably just keep farming mythril and clear out the first bit of the Relm event that dropped tonight.

Also, speaking of bullshit Story dungeons, WTF is with the Lunar Subterrain Part 1? Holy shit what an obnoxious fight IN THE BASIC MODE. Thanks for warning me that they counter attacks with self reflect but NOT warning me that they have MT Bad Breath attacks that can completely disable my party in two rounds if the RNG is being a dick. What a stupid fucking fight. Was not helped by the fact that I run a semi-gimped team for basic story dungeons so I can level up organ banks. >_<

unimportant edit: I meant Lunar Subterrain Part 3. It was the first in that particular batch of FF4 dungeons that I unlocked.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 06, 2015, 12:11:06 PM
Also, speaking of bullshit Story dungeons, WTF is with the Lunar Subterrain Part 1? Holy shit what an obnoxious fight IN THE BASIC MODE. Thanks for warning me that they counter attacks with self reflect but NOT warning me that they have MT Bad Breath attacks that can completely disable my party in two rounds if the RNG is being a dick. What a stupid fucking fight. Was not helped by the fact that I run a semi-gimped team for basic story dungeons so I can level up organ banks. >_<

Yeah, ALL of the Lunar Subterrane dungeons are obnoxious bullshit and you should only bring load-bearing setups for complete obliteration against them. FF4 never stops giving in terms of awful design. I have some notes on the last few a couple pages back which can be summed up as "fuck you FF4".

EDIT: Speaking of story dungeons, cleared Balamb Garden I once again, got a Greater Growth Egg and now I have no bonus quests to waste stamina with until Squall's MC2. Probably gonna spend this Friday farming the Dark Holy + daily, I could use a Greater Holy surplus.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 06, 2015, 12:50:36 PM
Scrolling through the introduction to Relm's event. Relm's dialogue in the Japanese version of FF6 is actually pretty hilarious. There's something about her referring to Stragos as ジジイ that translating it to "Gramps" doesn't exactly capture. I do recall her being fairly entertaining when I replayed FF6 recently, but yeah.

Also, Fairy Ring. The fuck? It raises magic damage and protects against... Blind.

that... what. OK. Whatever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 06, 2015, 01:07:54 PM
Also just encountered the Lunasaurs.  Got one down to a pixel of health and then it spammed Bad Breath every. single. turn.  Never got another action.

S/L got me through the fight but S/L should never be a strategy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 06, 2015, 01:20:25 PM
Seriously, what a stupid fucking fight. You could be doing literally everything goddamn right and get it down to one with 10% health left or so then Bam, Bad Breath, MT laser, bad breath, MT laser, oh damn everyone except for Ramza and Garnet are dead, he's blinded and asleep and she's fucking silenced, confused, and out of summon charges anyway. I just gave up and stumbled across the finish line that run because I was done saving and loading for a fucking story dungeon. Even if I HAD Esuna on I don't really know how you're supposed to not just get bent over backwards if your Esuna user gets silenced.

On the plus side, guys, that was the last story dungeon for FF4, so you guys shouldn't be getting anything else from that terrible fucking world anytime soon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 06, 2015, 01:27:59 PM
I solved that fight by bringing Y'shtola's healing RW, since it has MT Esuna. And we can't celebrate yet, there's still the Edge/Rosa event to trudge through in late January. As I said, I'm horribly glad I have so much 5* FF4 synergy, because that realm is across the board nightmarish.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on November 06, 2015, 02:40:25 PM
There's also the threat of future TAY dungeons/events to rehash all the rehashed FF4 bosses a few more times.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 06, 2015, 03:03:45 PM
I think at this point that's the only way they'll ever release the FF4 temp PCs not named Tellah, Edward and FuSoYa.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 06, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
Scrolling through the introduction to Relm's event. Relm's dialogue in the Japanese version of FF6 is actually pretty hilarious. There's something about her referring to Stragos as ジジイ that translating it to "Gramps" doesn't exactly capture. I do recall her being fairly entertaining when I replayed FF6 recently, but yeah.

The older I get, the more I learn to appreciate this character's badassery.

In a game where all the other characters, all of them, at some point give up on life entirely, After the destruction of the entire world, Relm shrugs her shoulders and then.... goes out and lives her dream of being a professional artist. She is 10.

She is a 10 year old girl that (perhaps accurately!) assumes that the dashing King of basically a fifth of the world is in her League.

This is a character that as a kid, I never really processed the raw swagger she had. I should have been jealous. I wish I were that cool as a kid, but then again, I was sitting at home playing Final Fantasy 6
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 06, 2015, 09:46:13 PM
I think at this point that's the only way they'll ever release the FF4 temp PCs not named Tellah, Edward and FuSoYa.

Well, to be fair, look who we have left:

Yang: Probably the single most generic monk in the franchise.  This is RK, where Monks kind of suck across the board.
Porom: Pure White Mage.  Not only does FF4 already have a White Mage Rep, it's hard to make her stand out in a way that fits, especially when we have a bajillion White Mages running around.
Palom: See Porom, really, but for Black Mages.  Oh, but it gets worse when you consider FF4 has *2* Black Mage characters in Rydia and Golbez.
--Adding to this, FF4 has *2* Sage characters, begging the question of why we need even more magic users from this entry.
Cid: Machinist; I guess he can be a tank character who gets Machinist 5, something FF4 doesn't have yet, but not exactly the most inspired set.

So really, the question is, what do we lose?  Realm Synergy from FF4 isn't exactly something we're starving in and none of the characters bring anything new to the table except maybe Cid and even that's a stretch.


This isn't like, say, Cait Sith who you could do just about anything with and get away with it, or Vincent who you could run as a Mage w/ Guns from FF7, so the options are there.  It's 2 redundant characters, a boring character, and one who is interesting if you squint hard.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 06, 2015, 11:42:51 PM
My wet dream for Cait Sith: Black Magic 5, White Magic 4, Bard 4/5. His weapon can even be an instrument! Make it happen, DeNa.

Anyhow, the relevant returns on the + dailies feels far better than Heroic. Today, I did six full runs on Dark Holy power. Five of them yielded Greaters (3 Holy, 2 Dark). On Heroics, I ran them considerably more often and getting three a day was a -good- run. Regardless, I just honed Diaga to R4 with the spoils. Not bad.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 06, 2015, 11:49:07 PM
I know for a fact that there is no way that is the actual sex dream you have about Caitlin Sith.

It might involve him spectating you engaged in some kind of event and heckling you with the megaphone though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 07, 2015, 12:55:58 AM
...Five quests left: Create Flare, Create Holy, Create Barrage, Create Flare Strike, and Hone Pressure Point.

Aside from that, done with Setzer's event for now until the Bonus battles come out.  Doing incidentals until that time - just got my Stamina up to 97.  All the bonus quests were for stages I hadn't mastered yet, too!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 07, 2015, 02:40:20 AM
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My wet dream for Cait Sith: Black Magic 5, White Magic 4, Bard 4/5. His weapon can even be an instrument! Make it happen, DeNa.

That seems pretty plausible for Cait Sith.  They should also give him high HP but low defense, because that would reflect his in-game self.  Also hope they don't turn Megaphones into this UNIQUE WEAPON LOL nonsense and just lump it with instruments.

As far Vincent goes, while they SHOULD make him some form of Mage and give him Outsider with a huge magic bonus (for guns), chances are they'll be lame and do the usual "he uses Guns, therefor he will be ANOTHER RANGED SUPPORT CHARACTER LOL."  I mean, yeah it's Vincent so I shouldn't give a crap, but if you're going to put him into the game, at least try to make me remotely interested in using the worthless sap.


On a different note, they really need to release a 2nd FF1 PC.   Like I get it; the Cores covered all the Jobs, and WoL is a stand-in, but there's still like Princess Sarah and Garland they could use.  Garland could be Tank Spellblade user (references his usage of the elements), and Princess Sara a Bard/White Mage character.  Also Bikke the Pirate should totally get in, with his Default Soul Break being an attack that does 9 damage to the opponent.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 07, 2015, 03:12:48 AM
They're slowly adding all the antagonist characters, so Garland seems very plausible in the long run.  I'd expect Kuja first though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 07, 2015, 07:47:12 AM
hey kids wanna try a little... math?

So hokay. None of my characters are reaching the 700 some MATK soft cap so let's just deal with the basic formula.

Damage = 5 + BD*Mult
BD = (Mag^1.65)/(Res^0.5)

At 347 mag, Terra was dealing 5900 damage or so to Velius with Meteo/Aja spells, and has a multiplier of 9. Assuming I understand the battle mechanics formulae correctly, Velius' RES should be...

5895 = 5 + ((347^1.65)/(X^0.5))*9
655 = (347^1.65)/(X^0.5)
655(X^0.5) = 347^1.65
655(X^0.5) = 15543.3...
Sqrt(X) = 23.73
X = 563.125

Wooooow it's been a long time since I've done algebra.  I think that's all right though. Double checking with Yuna's damage (308 MAG) against Velius is returning... a damage number lower than I expected (5100) but within the bounds of me maybe misremembering her damage against Velius. Let's say this RES is close enough for government work and move on.

EDIT: I remembered that I had her using Kefka's Record Materia, which boosts MAG. That accounts for the missing damage, and since I'll have her using Doublecast Summon instead of that I'll continue on with these damage numbers.

Now, I have basically 4 questions. Do I use Kefka/Mana's Song? Magic Breakdown or POIZN? Alexander, Valefor, or both? And last, even completely optimized, Do I deal enough damage to take Velius down in the turn limit?

First, do I use Kefka/Mana's Song?

So, this means that with Mana's Song Terra's spell damage goes from 5900 up to 7900 damage. (10 charges)
Yuna's Valefor is increased from 5100 damage to 6983 damage. (3 charges)
Since I'm considering Alexander, I should note that due to the lower mult than Valefor his damage before buffing is [/b]4955[/b], and after buffing is 6692

Kefka, due to my rod restrictions, being L65, no synergy, etc., can only get his mag up to 265. His damage will be 3783 before buffs, and 5109 after buffs.

I could give Aeris Diaga, but then Kefka won't have a decent rod, she isn't affected by the buff, I need her on healing duty, AND her damage comes out to only 5284 so it's not even really better than giving Kefka an -aja and her rod.

Eyeballing it, it looks like this does in fact make up the difference between what Zack contributes (2000 damage, 6000 damage every 5 turns or so, +3200 damage every turn and a half or thereabouts). So Kefka's in. I COULD slap Mana's Praen on Ramza, but he dealt 5k a hit with breakdowns before, has more levels, and I generally want him on damage duty every round this fight.

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Do I use Mental Breakdown or POIZN?

Well, POIZN's easy to calculate. 3200 damage every turn and a half or so, so let's say 6400 every 3 turns. Mental Breakdown has to give me more than that.  I couldn't find exact figures for how much Magic Breakdown lowers RES when resisted, so I'm just using Magic Break's reduction (30%) and calling it good.

Side note, HILARIOUS reddit post from like 8 months ago questioning if Breakdowns were worth it over Breaks. I know I had the same question when I started playing but it's funny mostly because of how obvious the answer is now. I have half a mind to sell all my breaks, actually, since I don't think they're gonna get used.

So, I wish I knew how to put a table in forum posts but here's an ugly list.  Order of numbers is base, Mana's Praen ONLY, Mental Breakdown ONLY, both Mental Breakdown and Mana's Prean

Terra  Met/ja  5900, 7900, 6727, 9086
Yuna Valefor 5100, 6983, 5894, 7961
Yuna Alexanr 4955, 6692, 5649, 7630
Kefka blablaja 3783, 5109, 4313, 5825

OK, so except for Kefka who is going to be a little damage anemic anyway, Mental breakdown seems to get me an extra +1000 damage each turn from my mages, totalling out to about 2800 a turn, which is slightly worse than POIZN EXCEPT for the fact that Poison's much lower multiplier is going to lower Ramza's damage from 5k something to 3k something, so Mental Breakdown is a clear winner here.

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Do I use Valefor, Alexander, or both?

Honestly, I think I've already decided straight up that using Valefor and Alexander is the best option. It gives Garnet Yuna consistent damage, lets me not waste a turn with using Curaja on an arch demon, and will help me wipe out the Arch Demons more quickly once they reach the stage where their Lifesteal attack is *really* fucking dangerous. There are, unfortunately, downsides 3.

1. Notably, I will only have one healer in the fight. Once I get going this isn't actually too bad, Velius' damage output is manageable with Shell, SG, and Magic BD. It does however turn the first phase of the fight into a total RNG fest, but it was last time anyway with Zack's poison so whatever. I just may be even moreso. Egh.

2. Once Garnet's out of charges, she's useless. This one isn't too bad, since I plan on having her be my SG caster, once at the start of the fight and once more when she runs out of summons. I'm aiming to take him down quickly, anyway, so yeah. By that time, she'll also have her SB built up, which can help squeeze a bit more damage out of Ramza before he uses Throw Stone EDIT: Disregard this, I was thinking of Garnet, not Yuna.

3. If I'm wrong about one healer being viable then I've just wasted 60 stamina. I could also be very wrong about this.

That said none of these downsides really dissuade me from the setup, so unless it's really truly not viable and I'm still dealing with this fight much later today then I'll consider the other options. That said, I'm pretty sure Valefor is going to be the better option if I have to only use one, because even if I do have to blow a turn on Cure, that's much so much less damage on Velius per turn and with one charge less even.

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Now, do I have enough damage this way to beat Velius quickly? I'm gonna go turn by turn because there's not actually a whole lot of flexibility in what I do with this setup, and I just kinda have to wait for the RNG to be kind enough to me to make this work. Writing out now, saving so I don't lose this nonsense to a crash. I could probably do some cool thing to calculate this all but I'm really, really, really bad at Human Resource Machine.

Ramza alternates between MajBD and MenBD every turn except when he uses Throw stone. I'm going to be conservative and say that SBs charge by turn 5, though they may well get there by turn 4. I do really wish I had Cloud or Ramza's RM2/3s, because that would make this plan a lot safer. Also, obviously, not taking into account dualcasts because they're so RNG dependent. Sometimes they go off multiple times a fight, sometimes they never go off. There's also obviously gonna be some wiggle room in when I pop off Shellga, Aeris' MT Heal/Reraise and Sentinel Grimoire but that won't affect overall damage numbers. Also to note, I will probably have Kefka with his Mag Up Materia on, which will make him a bit more useful, but because I'm getting bored of doing this I'm going to just assume he doesn't have this.

Velius HP 235600, when Damage >=235600 Battle ends
Turn 1:
Ramza MajBD, Kefka MP, Terra Meteo, Yuna SG, Aeris Shell
Damage: 12900

Turn 2:
Ramza MenBD (5k), Kefka aja (5.8k), Terra Meteo (9k), Yuna Alexander (7.6k), Aeris (Curaja). Terra is out of Meteo on this turn.
Damage: 24700 + 12900 = 40,300

Turn 3: Repeat, though Terra's Meteo turns into an -aja. Arch Demons should be dead after Yuna's Alexander this turn.
Damage: 24700 + 40,300 = 65000

Turn 4:
Ramza MBD (5k), Kefka MP, Terra aja (9k), Yuna Valefor (7.9k), Aeris (Matt... Damon)
Damage: 21900 + 65k = 86,900

Turn 5:
Ramza TS (12k), Kefka aja (5.8k), Terra Aja (9k), Yuna Valefor (7.8k), Aeris (full heal plsplspls)
Damage: 35,400 + 86,900 = 122,300. Over halfway.

Turn 6:
Ramza MBD (5K), Kefka aja (5.8k), Terra aja (9k), Yuna SG, Aeris Shell
Damage: 19.8K + 122,300 = 142100

Turn 7:
Ramza MBD (5k), Kefka MP, Terra aja (9k), Yuna Valefor (7.8k), Aeris wheel, Aeris Deal
Damage: 21.8k + 142.1k = 163900, Yuna is useless for the rest of the fight. I do have the option of squeezing 3000k damage out of her or doing a weak MT heal for her SB, but for now I'll discount this and pretend she's just idling to not use up turns.

Turn 8:
Ramza MBD (5k), Kefka aja (5.8k), Terra aja (9k), Yuna Nada, Aeris Heal
Damage: 19.8k + 163.9k = 183,700

Turn 9:
Ramza MBD (5k), Kefka (5.8k), Terra aja (9k), Yunada, Aeris turn down for what
Damage: 19.8k + 183.7k = 203,500. Kefka is out of charges at this point.

Turn 10:
Ramza TS (12k), Kefka MP, Terra aja(9k), Yunada, Aeris Aeris Bo Beris
Damage: 21k + 203,500 = 224,500. Terra is out of spell charges

And I'm out of gas. HOWEVER, thanks to Dual cast, if it procs even once I've won. If it procs on Yuna but not on Terra, then Yuna's rod's SB + one more attack from Ramza will carry me over the finish. Now, is this fast enough for me to get mastery? That... I really don't know. Like, I can't find any information on how many turns it takes to lose a medal on bosses, and I really can't think of any sort of work around that makes this go faster, barring Cloud and Ramza's RMs dropping before I do the fight so I have access to Throw Stone more often.

Another downside that I just thought of with this strat is that I have no way of Slowing Velius, so he's going to be getting a lot more turns on me making the fight even more RNG dependent. Also, towards the end, if any characters get ganked, even if they are reraised their damage output is going to be shit until I can rebuff, though thanks to Ramza not so much to the point where It's going to slow me down too much.

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Anyway, I suppose I'm gonna keep dungeon diving for a little bit more tonight in hopes that I get an RM, then maybe tackle this tonight. This has given me some good info for the Leblanc fight, too, at least. I think with Ormi's draw fire this mage setup is probably gonna be best, with giving Ramza Blind strike to meet that medal req.

EDIT: I just realized thanks to Zack not being able to level up I can be more accurate with Ramza's damage too. I wanna calculate this, too, because it may be worth it to ditch the damage RM he's using and put on my Start: Haste Materia to squeeze in another Throw Stone, ideally before Terra runs out of charges. Let's see, using Dual Delay his one hit damage was about 1200 I want to say? Sure.

1200 = 5+(309^1.8)/X^0.5)*0.9
1195/0.9= 30333/sqrtX
1327sqrtx=30333
SqrtX = 22.84
X = ~522

Sure sounds right, can't really check against Ramza's stats since he's gained a lot of levels since my last attempt so we'll go with that. I don't know if the Katana = 1.2x damage RM means 1.2x damage total, 1.2x base damage, or 1.2x attack, so I'll just calculate all 3 with Ramza using either MBD.

Haste RM 3602 ...

So, I don't even have to math out the rest. Even with the level ups, if I ditch the Katana materia I lose as much damage over 10 turns as I would gain by getting another Throw Stone. Oh well, the more you know! I will probably throw the Haste RM on Aeris, though, just so the first phase of the fight is less RNG dependent. I can make up for the extra turns used in having her skip turns when it isn't necessary. This also lets me get her SSB up faster. I see no real downside to that.

EDIT Ass burgers

So, not knowing the stats of the Leblanc characters, I'm going to assume damage will be equivalent for them. Not going to take into account unbuffed MenBD because putting Mana's Praen on Ramza is just flat out the better option if I have to ditch one of them. If I do use MenBD, the order I proc it on would be Leblanc, Skinny Guy (if Draw attack didn't proc), Blind Skinny Guy, Fat Guy. Gonna focus on Leblanc damage numbers because she looks like the most dangerous.

Also note that this setup lets me not really care about Draw Attack except for making me blind Fat Guy sooner than later.

So...

11800, 15800 or 18200 damage from Meteo
15300, 20949 or 23,883 damage from Valefor
9,910, 13384 or 15,260 damage from Alexander.

This means unbuffed, a total of 37,010 (27,100 no alex) unbuffed or 50133 (36749 no Alex) buffed or 57343 (42083 no Alex) de/buffed MT damage. Mind that both Alexander and Valefor will be doing significantly more damage thanks to Yuna's realm synergy. Buffed+Alex gives me about half of Leblanc's HP in damage off of MT alone, and I can focus her down with ST spells after.

Hooooonestly just eyeballing that, I think for the Leblanc fight I should actually bring Mog or Zack instead of Kefka. Zack frees up Ramza to use MenBD while giving me occasional MT burst damage+Turn Cancel, which would be nice. Mog, on the other hand, lets me have two healers, Alexander, AND since he can use Shell I can throw Diaga on Aeris, not to mention his excellent SB. In light of that, pretty sure my first try party for this fight will be

Ramza (Blind Strike, Mana's Praen), Katana Damage
Terra (Meteo, Waterja), Dualcast BM
Yuna (Alexander, Valefor), Dualcast SMN
Aeris (Diaga, Curaga), Staff->Mind Up
Mog (Shellga, Curaja) Healing x1.2

Actually, after doing this, I'm way more confident in my ability to take this fight down. I think I have a solid chance with this setup right here.

EDIT umpteen: Additional note to self, Faith instead of Diaga? Diaga would be 5120 DPT, but squeezes another 500-1000 damage or so out of my MT spells if coupled with MBD. Preeeeetty sure it isn't worth it.

EDIT EDIT EIDT DIET:

Soooo apparently the Weigraf mastery bonus is really attractive now since that can bump my Alexander charges up from 2 to 3. Thinking on it in the shower, the answer to mastering that seems obvious: Scream and Come At Me Bro. CAMB didn't beat it quick enough, but if I put Scream on instead of SG and have everyone except Ramza double hit/Tempo Flurrying Gilgy every round that should do it. Just gotta refresh my RW until my one Scream using buddy pops up, I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 07, 2015, 01:31:39 PM
I think, by your calcs, you can -totally- pull off mastery with turn count. The old, harsher threshold for actions taken was like less than 72 actions to achieve 2 medals on actions. 2-1-3 is enough for mastery on everybody as long as there are three target scores and all of them are fulfilled.

EDIT: DO keep in mind, however, that Mana's Paean doesn't boost Mind, so it won't benefit Diaga specifically. However, Mental Breakdown -does- and you're running three mages, so it pays off still.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 07, 2015, 05:47:39 PM
Yup, aware re: manas praen. The issue is that I can't lose ANY  efficency medals vs. Velius. He only has two extra medal conditions and so I can only los1e two to get mastery. Minimizing damage seems like a fools errand, so if I want mastery I need to make it so I lose no efficency medals.

Plus side, my Weigraf strategy worked exceptionally and my Alexander charges are up to 3. If I don't have a shot at beating Velius with mastery I should at least do well against the Lebron James crew
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 07, 2015, 06:21:45 PM
One possibly interesting alternative if you're entertaining using Scream as is: finding someone with Lulu's Focus SB. MT Faith + RES Up that stacks with both Mana's Paean and Shellga would seriously improve your attack efficiency, especially for Kefka, and Velius is a primary mage anyway, which helps with your damage control. That said, Kefka's MT Haste + Faith buff could also work.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K. on November 07, 2015, 06:24:27 PM
If action efficiency is the problem, then POIZN is indeed your best bet.  If you run out of actions you can just stand there and let the poison kill him.

It's a very good source of damage if you land it early in the fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 07, 2015, 07:13:07 PM
Ehhh, not having SG is waaaay riskier with Velius than with Weigraf. Velius damage is quite a bit higher before all de/buffs go up. That said, if I'm still not getting mastery after trying this setup that is something to try.

Captain, no that basically doesnt work. I suppose once I run out of gas I can just sit and wait like you said, but that pretty much is strictly worse than just squeezing damage out of my mages. Velius' damage is to annoying to just sit and take it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 07, 2015, 11:54:58 PM
I hope Vincent gets Summoning, since there's not a lot of those types floating around, and I think "Summoner with guns" would make him sort of unique, or at least until Yuna gets hers, making it officially a "thing". Then they could make one of hers/his unique guns do something summon related and they'd both benefit.

I agree with what's been said about Cait Sith but believe that Gambling weapon use should be added. I would be willing to wager he gets some ranks in Machinist.

I don't think they'll NOT release the FFIV temps unless the game suddenly starts tanking and they abandon it. They're just gonna add interesting people first, unless they don't know how to best do that, and then they'll take a look at the more "boring" characters. I maintain that Machinist is a skillset that exists solely to not make Cid 4 the clear worst character in the game. He'd otherwise be what? Combat or Support 5 with no swords and only Axes and Hammers (and bows, I guess, if they remember)? That's beyond lackluster. Yes, the actual Machinist in the series is Edgar, but until now, his tools have all been soul breaks. The only character that this repairs from total uselessness is a theoretical Cid 4, which is why I think his eventual release is more-and-more inevitable.

I have no idea what they're gonna do with Porom. Palom is going to be another Vivi. He's going to be slightly worse starting stats, but he'll have "Boast" as a soul break, and it's gonna be a significant magic boost. Suddenly, you're going to have two "boring" mages to pick from, but they're both going to be very, very good at that thing that they do. It's OK if the FFIV cast is unbalanced because the other thing going for the FFIV cast is that it's very large. They will eventually add TAY content and it'll get even larger. They don't have to be balanced because they already fill several niches.

Yang will at least have interesting unique weapons. But what he really needs is a unique soul break where his wife smashes someone with a frying pan and they are restored from KO and get a big strength boost. Make it happen, DeNa
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 08, 2015, 12:17:38 AM
Yuna got guns in the FFX-2 event actually, so Vincent won't be unique if he gets that.  Nonetheless, they should still build him as a mage with guns because that's what he was in FF7, but they'll probably botch it anyway.

Not sure about Cait Sith; I feel he's a wild card as they could get away with just about anything on him.

Not sure about Cid-4, honestly, though Machinist being added was definitely for balance things.   Most of the characters who got it got a notable buff and fittingly enough, it works on all of them save Zidane (who was probably purely a "he needs SOMETHING" moment.)

The problem with Palom is we already have Vivi mk2 in Lulu, so Palom would just be FF4 Synergy.  It gets worse when you consider Rydia's not THAT far behind on Magic, and has Summon 5 on top of it (and White 3).  There's also a non-negligible chance Shantotto could be another Vivi/Lulu style character, which would do Palom no favors.  It's really hard to break into RK as a pure Black Mage these days and be relevant when we have multiple of them and several Black Mages like Terra and Ashe who can do that AND more.  As I said, if Palom does get in, that means FF4 would have *3* Black Mage characters, and that's not including the 2 Sages.

And while FF4's cast is large, it's not as large as FF6's cast, and they've done a decent job of keeping them at least unique (...albeit, many of them aren't all that great, but I said Unique!)  Case in point, FF6 has three Black Mages in Terra, Kefka and Strago (post buff), and none of them feel generic.  Palom is pretty much your text book example of "pure Black Mage" and putting him into a roster that already has 2 Black Mages that are relatively unique...yeah, not doing him any favors!

They are probably coming, but it's hard to be excited about 3 characters who are text book examples of stock versions of those jobs, and Cid 4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 08, 2015, 01:29:09 AM
If they hold off on the twins, they might release a new type of soul break that involves specific party members being together. It makes sense for a few people (Vivi/Steiner spring to mind), but mostly them. Like, they released the "Transformation" soul break or whatever it is they call it. That feels like it was designed solely for an inevitable Vincent. AND it gives them an excuse/more or less doubles how long they can dick around with things.

So... yeah. I agree, the twins are probably a ways off. It wouldn't surprise me for them to not exist until there is specifically some kind of new mechanic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 08, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
Not so sure about the Vincent thing.  They already Released Gau whose Soul Break follows a mechanic that's similar.

Likewise, Terra's been using "Trance *insert move here*" for her Soul Breaks; Vincent could have simply done "Beast Flare" as a Soul Break, showing him transform and nuke the guy.  I guess Vincent does last the entire fight in Beast Form, but so do Gau's Rages.  Not to mention the first character to get a BSSB was Cloud, a character who doesn't transform at all (Then again...this is RK, if there's a new mechanic, Cloud gets it first, no matter how sensible.)

That said, yeah, it's possible they're trying to think of a combo mechanic that would make the twins stand out and waiting on that, but all speculation at this point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 08, 2015, 02:08:25 AM
I have faith they'll do something. They've done a pretty good job with character balance, all things considered. The lower guys get buffed fairly frequently, and Cloud being at the top makes sense for multiple reasons, not the least of which being "Basically everyone will have this character within a day or two"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 08, 2015, 02:09:40 AM
Just laid waste to Celes reissue's bonus fights. The good news is that most of the fights get eaten by Intimidate! The bad news is that I didn't full medal Earth Dragon due to wasting actions. =( Just pack R5 Intimidate and go to town on everyone but Sr. Behemoth, who isn't really much of a threat anyway, just load up on Shellga, Magic Breakdown and ye olde SG RW. Don't forget to hit weaknesses for medals!

This said, thanks to Earth Dragon, now I have R2 Meteor. Thanks for all the fish!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 08, 2015, 02:13:25 AM
And yet, Cyan is sitting in the corner crying at how he's been around early and desperately needs a buff but no dice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 08, 2015, 02:16:03 AM
He got his attack buffed twice and now it's higher than Lightning's!

Too bad about his skillset.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 08, 2015, 02:20:36 AM
Ohhh, shit, I was drunk last night reading and I missed that Lulu's focus SB has MDef Up. Yeaaaaah actually that's definitely something to try. Yuna also has an SSB that deals MT damage AND raises MDef IIRC, so I'll be looking into that.

Also, drunken playing has revealed that I need to stop running scrubs for story dungeons as they will often just wreck me if I'm not playing srs bsns. The age of Autobattle Supremacy is sadly over. :(
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 08, 2015, 02:23:10 AM
Cyan's had tons of buffs.  He's one of the best characters in the game statwise.  Problem is that Sephiroth is still better, and you don't need two of them.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 08, 2015, 02:28:04 AM
Also, drunken playing has revealed that I need to stop running scrubs for story dungeons as they will often just wreck me if I'm not playing srs bsns. The age of Autobattle Supremacy is sadly over. :(

Welcome to about three Global updates ago.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 08, 2015, 03:49:40 AM
Well, up until now my post-orbfest2 hones have been good enough that I could still run <L50 scrubs and pull it off. As of... well, I think it's the end of the update y'all just got, that is not the case. :(

Positive note, Velius mastery happened. I made a mistake and put on Mental Break instead of Mental Breakdown, which induced #MadAtVideogames. However, I managed it in spite of that because Dualcast went off a ridiculous *8* times during the fight, notably during both Meteos and one Alexander. Dualcast is a really silly Record Materia. I have no idea how often it's supposed to go off, but it definitely seems like it either *never* goes off or it goes off every other damn turn.

Final party, for posterier:

Ramza (Magic Breakdown, Mental Break), Katana damage 1.2x, Masamune, So Kai Armlet, Aries Stone
Kefka (Firaja, Mana's Praen), MATK Up PDef Down, FF7 Wizard Rod, Hypno Crown ++, Chibiko Hammer
Terra (Meteo, Waterja) Dualcast BM, Flame Rod, Halloween Hat, Silver Dragon Wing
Yuna (Valefor, Alexander) Dualcast SMN, FF6Wizard Rod, 10 Gallon Hat ++, FF9 Lipstick
Aeris (Shellga, Curaja) Start:Haste, FF4 Sage's Staff, Fancy Wristwatch, Shield Ring
SG RW

Couple things that would have made my life easier, aside from putting on Mental Breakdown instead of garbage: Putting the fancy wristwatch on Yuna, while it would have lowered her MAG, would have given her a weak fullheal SB, which would have been more useful than the White Frost attack from her rod. If I'm only running one WM, I need to get Curaja to R5 so I don't run out of charges. Really, though, neither mattered as much as fucking up Mental Breakdown. That was a good 2500 damage a turn that I really needed. It's only by the grace of RNGsus that I got mastery with this. Two or three otherwise successful runs ended at the finish line because of that. Time to sell those breaks just so I don't make that fucking mistake again.

Welp, now I just have to try the Leblanc crew and then I can spend the rest of my stamina levelling Ramza, Celes, and Relm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: MC50 on November 08, 2015, 04:26:05 AM
Cleared the Setzer boss rush. Wasn't too bad - did Save/load for Iai Strike to proc on Black Dragon.

Going to wait until after EXP day to do the Sr. Behemoth fight.

Been working my way through the dungeons - at Lunar Subterrane 2 (Dark Bahamut) classic. Catching up.

I still have some leftover orbs, but not sure what to spend it on. Options that seem to make sense are:

R3 Power Breakdown
R3 Diaga
R3 Ruinga
...Maybe even making Armor or Mental Breakdown.
Any R4 summon (Seems like a big investment, considering I have none of them.)

Luneth Advance/Tempo Flurry is usually a good 12-14K a round, and his Auto Haste RM helps with that too. He's going to be hard to replace.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 08, 2015, 06:02:55 AM
Oh wow, no OK that setup isn't happening against Leblanc. Puchi Mighty Guard cuts my magic damage way too much to be viable, so I basically need dispel. And from what I can tell, a lot of it. Also, Fat one's taunt also draws in ST magic attacks, so yeaaah. Plus, I need to Slow them as well as blind them, so I threw Zack in instead of Mog. I do think maybe mog is still the way to go, though, in large part because once I run out of SG charges I get wrecked by physicals. I do think it's possible to win as long as I keep Mighty Guard dispelled and all, though. I'm also considering just not running Shellga in Lieu of Diaga so I have more damage, 10 charges from Terra and 6 from Yuna just won't be enough damage even if I only cast while buffed and they're dispelled. I'm... not sure how viable mastery is with this setup though. I have a feeling this fight may see me losing two action medals since I'll likely be limping to the finish on Ramza physicals.

I may want to scrap it and go Screamed Come At Me Bro, come to think of it. Maybe

Ramza (Full Break, Armor BD)
Zack (Dual Delay, Blind Strike)
Gilgy (Come at, Me Bro)
Mog (Shellga, Curaja), Double hit RM
Aeris (Dispel, Curaga)

Or something. I'm kinda out of fucks to give after obsessing over Weigraf and having a hangover today. Too bad I blew all my Holy orbs crafting and honing Alexander, Vanish Blade would be a pretty good secondary for Ramza there. This would also be an infinitely better plan if Cloud's RM3 would just fuckin' drop already. Mmpf.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 08, 2015, 07:30:13 AM
Boss rush died to Intimidate and Pressure Point.

(http://i.imgur.com/9XDhiIe.jpg)

Next, to amuse myself, I cap-broke Strago and used his default SB to kill both Behemoths.

Hey Zenny, do you have Cloud's RM3?  Cause it is so good.

Still have to do Earth Dragon, but I don't see that being a problem since he's vulnerable to damn near every status in the game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 08, 2015, 11:55:03 AM
About ready to try the boss rushes. Think I'll actually bring Setzer since it gives me extra points, and I'm probably not losing anything by replacing Josef. Alternately, I could bring another Fire Mage or Spellblade. (Another fire mage would give me a second healer.)

Ice Dragon was the worst kind of fight. Not hard, but super crazy long. Reminds me of my first experience with the flans. That thing took like 20 minutes before it finally died, and I was never in any real danger.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 08, 2015, 12:14:45 PM
Well whaddya know. COME AT ME BRO!!! is working like a charm. Skinny Guy's 3x hit attack was Reta-able. Thanks for the free damage bro. Right after deciding that Reta was no longer a viable option Scream RWs made it actually the best option. Party is slightly changed, but basically the same

Ramza (ABD, LifeSiph)
Zack (Same as above)
Gilgy (Same as above)
Agrias (Dispel, Double Hit)
Aeris (Shellga, Curaja)

Heavily RNG dependent, though. The first round or so had to go perfectly. The Leblanc crew had to not dogpile on a single member of my party until Gilgamesh's Taunt went up, and Fat Guy had to either not Taunt when I Armor BD'd Leblanc, or Blind had to proc on him for the run to be viable. After that, I had to hope Leblanc's AI did stupid things like cast White Wind and she never used her scary moves. I eventually just stopped Armor Breakdowning Leblanc, because while having her go down faster is a good thing the next phase is also heavily RNG dependent.

Once Leblanc goes down, there was another round of praying for RNG luck while I damaged Skinny Guy enough for Gilgamesh to retaliate against him instead of Fat Guy. Here, I not only had to hope Taunt didn't go off when I had Ramza attack Skinny Guy, but I also had to hope that Skinny Guy didn't roulette Gilgamesh before I redirected his attacks. ESPECIALLY if I accidentally attacked Fat guy in the beginning of the fight, this was obnoxious as hell. Armor BDing Leblanc just straight up wasn't worth it.

Once I got past this though I wasn't ever in any real threat of dying unless I got RNG screwed and both of them used their ignore-Taunt strong attacks.

EXCEPT... When fat guy gets to low HP, his Captain America Shield Throw attack turns into an MT attack. Killed Aeris. By this point I was so sick of S/Ling that I just went for killing him and didn't care about Mastery, but without anymore Screams to boost my damage I couldn't kill him before his next MT attack. :( The tweaks to fix this last hurdle seem obvious. Namely, since Fat Guy nulls Armor BD swap that to Power BD, swap Agrias for Mog with Strong Water, Dispel, and the double hit materia, and... make sure my Protectga SB is on someone who will actually build up SB gauge, win.

EDIT: Mastery Get. Took me two hours but it happened. That makes 3 6* orbs. Ohh baby.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 08, 2015, 02:14:32 PM
About ready to try the boss rushes. Think I'll actually bring Setzer since it gives me extra points, and I'm probably not losing anything by replacing Josef. Alternately, I could bring another Fire Mage or Spellblade. (Another fire mage would give me a second healer.)

Ice Dragon was the worst kind of fight. Not hard, but super crazy long. Reminds me of my first experience with the flans. That thing took like 20 minutes before it finally died, and I was never in any real danger.

Don't forget Intimidate.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 08, 2015, 06:13:36 PM
For which? Also I have Binding Cold.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 08, 2015, 07:32:02 PM
Intimidate works on the -entire- boss rush. Also, Binding Cold sucks, 30% vs 50% hit rate.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 08, 2015, 07:37:05 PM
I was MOSTLY joking.

It's legitimately pretty damn good against multi-part bosses that are vulnerable to it. For all that I shit on it as "the worst" ability, I actually use it sometimes over Black Fang. Whereas, I can't imagine using Cloud's base SB ever if I had a new one, and "Threaten" is NEVER the goddamn answer over Dragon Fang
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 08, 2015, 07:42:56 PM
Well, yes, same way that Aerith's Seal Evil is situationally useful as well (and possibly more useful than Dragon Force on average). Still, in a boss rush, you mostly want to spam the status. Golbez also makes a poor status whore due to his awful Mind.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 08, 2015, 08:25:58 PM
Usually I find people with awful minds make the best whores.

Beat the first rush. Managed to get it all in my first try with me forgetting to equip Waterja over Blizzaga (and thus having a useless spell on Golbez) and Iai Strike over Yukikaze on Auron (and thus having to deal with the dragon bones the hard way) Used Setzer instead of Josef. Intimidate + Tempo Flurry makes Setzer feel more like Tidus than Setzer. Whatever. I threw pumpkins. And 6s. Throwing 6s is satisfying when the underleveled character deals maybe 700 damage with a base physical. I like Setzer.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 09, 2015, 12:00:18 AM
Sundailying. Vanille's L63, Hope is L61, Celes is 54, Zack and Red XIII are 56. Red's stats are really coming into their own at this point: he's the Support with the best stat spread by -far-, and well-distributed too. Too bad about the bad equip pool, but I don't give much of a shit when I have his Lunatic High relic at 6* and an Edincoat/Genji Helm to cover his woes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 09, 2015, 02:52:47 AM
So.  12 hours ago, I beat the +++ fight.  My party?

Celes L31 with Armor Break R3/Sleep R3.
Y'shtola L65 with Curaga R3/Intimidate R4.
Cloud L79 with Aerora Strike R3/Retaliate R4
Yuna L55 with Curaga R3/Venom Buster R3
Terra L57 with Firaga R4/Waterja R3.

Poison Vulnerable boss + Paralyze Vulnerable boss + Sleep Vulnerable boss = Steamrolled.  Only lost one medal for Actions taken, too.  Probably would've gotten it had I had Waterga R4 instead of Firaga R4 there.  Otherwise, yeah.

Celes: "One of your turns...  You're just gonna kill me.  So, uh, I've decided...  It's not gonna BE your turn.  Ever.  I'm just gonna keep having MY turn until you give up."  Smalltexted because spoilers to another game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 09, 2015, 02:53:55 AM
Wooo. New jump ability!

Setzer event is finished. What a joke.

New daily for Sunday is super easy. good stuff!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 09, 2015, 04:17:29 AM
Multi-target ice damage, you say? Well.

It's only about 1300 to non-weakness targets, but still. It's super easy to hone and is probably a good idea for those people who have a lot of earlier levels where multi-target damage would be nice.

New healing ability is pretty decent, too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 09, 2015, 09:50:35 AM
Ramza and Cloud's last Record Materias dropped. Yay, now I have some SB options. The last half of the Relm event dropped too, looks like she gets a MC2 as well. Because I needed another Summoner/White Mage hybrid that can reach L80, I guess.

Did a 11 Pull on the Celes/Terra banner, got an Oath Veil. Nice, now I have two natural 5* hats (I don't care if one was a giveaway, it's still better than my 3++s) and two natural 5* Bracers. Should be able to squeeze in either another 11 pull or at least two more 3 pulls on the banner before it ends, so I have that going for me, which is nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 09, 2015, 10:32:04 AM
Ooooh, nice, Oath Veil has some sweet stats on it. It also boosts Wind damage, but using a hat for physicals is not such a great idea.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 09, 2015, 12:38:40 PM
Back to dungeoning. Better to move as much of the new DU as I can today, tomorrow I'll farm for black power and after that there's Lightning farming and Autobattle on the Big Bridge event. After THAT, I may have to farm white power because I don't have many White Orbs and I honestly could use more Greater Powers too. New FF6 dungeons do mean that fake-5* Gravity Rod's paying off, at least. Wonder if I'll reach 150 Mythril before the 17th for a pull on Squall's MC2 banner.

There -is- R4 Thundaja to look forward to this week, though. Sweet, sweet R4 Thundaja.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 09, 2015, 04:40:38 PM
Cleaned out my inventory for upcoming Bartz banner.  Will be doing 3 11-pulls.  Hoping for Galuf's fist but I'll take anything I get.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 09, 2015, 04:50:35 PM
Past that, don't forget to save it up for the Faris/Krile banner on the border of the new year and has considerably better relics. The upcoming FF5 banner isn't bad at all, at least, with a solid variety of items and no abhorrent duds (Diamond Armor comes close, but it's one of the highest def armors in the game. The shield at least has Shellga, IIRC, and Light Armor is Light Armor. Flametongue has decent ATK for a generic and boosts fire damage, Lenna's Healing Staff may have a terrible SB, but it boosts Holy damage and makes for an amazing tool for a nuker cleric and the other character SBs are all-around pretty good).

Dungeoneering continues. Jenova LIFE, once again, blew up to Stop, and Jenova DEATH's vulnerable to it this time around! I'm sure this won't end up badly for her at all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 09, 2015, 05:09:48 PM
Yeah Diamond Armor is actually the best heavy armor in the game, even still in Japan.

I should also mention that I got two Majors in the past week from the new daily, both of them Giant Adamantite.  Not that I'm complaining!  Still got a few things left to level up from Orbfest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 09, 2015, 10:15:46 PM
Beat the Bonus fights in the event today; I only held off because I wanted to make full use of the Sunday Daily. 

That said, it was a pretty unremarkable set of fights; first time I didn't need to use a Mithril for any of it.  Did have to S/L a bit on King Behemoth and Earth Dragon though notable about the latter?  Almost mastered him on my first attempt, but with Pixel Rage, he pulls one last Quake off killing Y'shtola.  Sad part? if I had Y'shtola use Witchcraft instead of Fluid Aura (thinking the Storm Staff + Water Weakness would make it adequate damage; it was 3.5k, so not AWFUL at least), that'd probably have let me win that round.  Ah well, not exactly a tough fight in any event, especially compared to Alexander previously which made me rely on Draw Advantaliate cheese.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 10, 2015, 01:15:11 AM
Ho hum. I was debating not farming Black Power today in favor of getting more mythril, then I saw that I am pretty close to R4 Firaja. Then I saw that the Divine boss is weak to Fire. Then I got two Major Black orbs in a row, netting me enough for R4 Firaja.

Well, then.

I suppose I should keep farming for R2 Meteo at the end of the month, but meh I think I'll tackle the event bosses instead and then go farm mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 10, 2015, 06:32:56 AM
Gordon montage for VSM:

https://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/j9yt1Le.gif&v=RA06Z5e1ZFc&s=5
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 10, 2015, 08:46:54 AM
Gordon montage for VSM:

https://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/j9yt1Le.gif&v=RA06Z5e1ZFc&s=5

https://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/j9yt1Le.gif&v=IH4B-NSGBdw&s=0

Needed more Zenny.

Anyway, onto #EZFF6Events. Defeated Ultros/Typhon, Wrexsoul, and Hidon. Ultros/Typhon saw me bring in losers to blitz them down with a scrub party because I could, and I did. Wrexsoul looked EZ so I decided to play around and do a kinda shitty but fun build.

Ramza (FB, Power BD)
Zack (Indoor Spell*, Drain Strike), HP Down->ATK UP
Terra (Blizzaja, Waterja)
Mog (Protectga, Ma Arise), Power of Mako RM
Aeris (Carbunkle, Blizzaga), Weakness Damage 1.2x
Planet Protector RM

All of Wrexsoul's spells were reflectable so I wanted to justify buying R2 Carbunkle a long ass time ago, basically. So, did not having any healing that wasn't an RM or SB, and watching Wrexsoul be kinda useless while I wrecked him. He did start using MT magic at the end but it didn't matter. By that point I'd seen everything, I'd seen it all.

I will say though that this is a stuuuuuuuuupid setup and only worked because of a bit of luck and the fact that I'm OP as fuck. I appreciate the info dump at Kongbakpao but whoever is writing the advice for what do against the bosses may need to reconsider their paint huffing habit. The adds have Firaga, which Wrex absorbs, and MT spells don't get reflected, why would you recommend anyone use Carbunkle. Anyone who actually needs the advice is getting really shitty advice from them.

Went srs business mode for Hidon because +++ boss, didn't lose a medal. R3 Alexander proved its worth yet again, and the age of R4 Firaja is a glorious one indeed.

Holding off on the divine boss for now simply because I'm one stamina crystal away from a refresh so it's time to dungeon some more. Probably will beat it tonight.

EDIT:

*I finally figured out what Endo Aspiru is supposed to be. Aspiru is the word the game uses for the Sap status, so it must be something like Endurance Sap. So, Life Siphon isn't exactly inaccurate... but still, in both Japanese and English, in a game with a bunch of drain spells that actually Siphon Life/Sap Endurance, they really should have picked a better name. Can't really blame the translators there, it seems.

True to form, I still prefer my translation and will continue to use it. Suck it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 10, 2015, 09:07:05 AM
Wow. I apparently am irrationally fond of someone irrationally hated by most.

Gordon'll be in my party until I decide to give Celes a go.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 10, 2015, 09:18:14 AM
Completed this update's Classics and did a few Elites before Tuesdaily and Wednesdaily, which will be full-time farming. Ultimate Weapon Elite is a legitimate test of hones, so I busted out the Cloudtaliate to save resources. It worked. It also drops Greater Black Orbs on the first fight, so I'll test the drop rates a bit on an off day. It -could- be more efficient than trudging through Babil for Lugae farming, though it's also more taxing. We'll see.

EDIT: VSM: Gordon is by far the worst FF2 PC in the original game and one of the worst units in RK until two weeks ago in JP. If nothing else, both your fondness and the hatred seem quite logical. <_<
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 10, 2015, 10:09:13 AM
https://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/j9yt1Le.gif&v=IH4B-NSGBdw&s=0

Needed more Zenny.

Why does this mashup exist? >.>;;

(I kind of love it, but it is such a weird mix...)


Quote
*I finally figured out what Endo Aspiru is supposed to be. Aspiru is the word the game uses for the Sap status, so it must be something like Endurance Sap. So, Life Siphon isn't exactly inaccurate... but still, in both Japanese and English, in a game with a bunch of drain spells that actually Siphon Life/Sap Endurance, they really should have picked a better name. Can't really blame the translators there, it seems.

True to form, I still prefer my translation and will continue to use it. Suck it.

Well, "Aspir" comes from "Aspirate" and is usually translated as Osmose. Since I don't think FFRK enemies have MP, an actual Aspir spell wouldn't make sense. Still, the end result from End Aspir is similar - the player charges one of their skill resources (a Limit instead of MP in this case though...). The game it first appears in as "End Aspir" instead of just "Aspir" is FF13, where it charged ATB meter instead of MP (again, a game without traditional MP). But only did so if the move was used to finish off an enemy, thus the 'End' part I presume.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 10, 2015, 10:21:36 AM
https://gifsound.com/?gif=i.imgur.com/j9yt1Le.gif&v=IH4B-NSGBdw&s=0

Needed more Zenny.

Why does this mashup exist? >.>;;

(I kind of love it, but it is such a weird mix...)

Because life is wonderful.

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*I finally figured out what Endo Aspiru is supposed to be. Aspiru is the word the game uses for the Sap status, so it must be something like Endurance Sap. So, Life Siphon isn't exactly inaccurate... but still, in both Japanese and English, in a game with a bunch of drain spells that actually Siphon Life/Sap Endurance, they really should have picked a better name. Can't really blame the translators there, it seems.

True to form, I still prefer my translation and will continue to use it. Suck it.

Well, "Aspir" comes from "Aspirate" and is usually translated as Osmose. Since I don't think FFRK enemies have MP, an actual Aspir spell wouldn't make sense. Still, the end result from End Aspir is similar - the player charges one of their skill resources (a Limit instead of MP in this case though...). The game it first appears in as "End Aspir" instead of just "Aspir" is FF13, where it charged ATB meter instead of MP (again, a game without traditional MP). But only did so if the move was used to finish off an enemy, thus the 'End' part I presume.

Ohhhhhhh, that makes sense. Then, in that case, Life Siphon is still a pretty crappy/unclear name, though. And, an even worse sin, it's a skill taken from FF13. Ewwww.

---

Snow: What did they even buff on Gordon to make using him worthwhile? Or did they just introduce an even shittier character to take his spot?

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EDIT: Chardarnook notes.

Weak to Fire and Holy, absorbs everything else. Goddess' statuses seem kinda scary but I shouldn't see them with proper planning and a bit of RNG luck in the first place. She'd have to have really high RES (possible!) for my 4* skills to not be dealing 9999. 8 charges of Diaga, 8 charges of Firaja, 3 of Alexander... I can expect a good 190k damage just off of that, even sans dualcast. She has... 280k. Add in Firaga, Ramza physicals...

Uh. Yeah I don't even really need to think too hard about this do I? I could probably 4 man this. Maybe bring Reflect to Reflect Zack to avoid magic counters since he can heal with Drain Blade, but yeah.

I am perfectly fine with this. Last weekend's sperg out scratched an itch I didn't know I had and not having that itch anymore means I'm glad to just be able to grind this fight under my boot and move on with mindless farming.

EDIT: OK, ridiculous defenses. I should have known this was too good to be true. Damage numbers for later planning:

Before Full Break:
Yuna Alexander: 4800 against Goddess, 6700 against Demon
Aeris Diaga: 4573 against Goddess, 6950 against Demon
Ramza Magic Break: 4800 against Goddess. 3500 against Demon
Terra Firaja: 7141 against Goddess (which provokes a counter), 5000 against Demon

After full break about 500 got added to each.

Reflecting spells doesn't negate Counter spells. Know what probably does though?

Yeah, OK, fine game. I'll do COME AT ME BRO!!! strats. Shell + Magic BD should be enough mitigation to save my ass while Scream counters get the job done.

EDIT: Nope. Will work, needs tweaking. Notes:

1. Put Holy attack materia on dual delay user so Gilgy can Reta first round. Reta attacks aren't affected by that RM so put a different one on instead.
2. Mog + Mako instead of Aeris + Mako. Need that physical mitigation for her MT attacks.
3. Swap Zack for Agrias with Shellga or Strongwater. Scream doesn't carry the fight and unbuffed retas are not so good.
4. Consider Boon/FF8Mighty Guard, FFX Megaflare, or SG, especially if I'm bringing in Strongwater. The Hastega effect is really nice but I don't really have enough magic mitigation. Mog's SB and Yuna's SB as a RW should compensate.
5. Remember to put the Strength Ribbon on Agrias for protectga, you fucking clutz.
6. Never think "Ohhh this will be so easy I don't need to think about it too hard" again. That's how you lose 6 hours worth of Mythril farming.
Bonus: If possible, time it so that Ramza shoots off Throw stone juuuust before CharDemon's fifth turn, just after an Armor BD. CharGoddess doesn't counter SBs, and has much much lower DEF.
EDIT: OK I lied I'm still continuing on this run. This current setup is not impossible just requires precise timings and some luck.
Bonus 2: At 60% HP, usually around the second time Chardanook turns into Goddess mode, is when she'll enter her weak state. Try to Throw Stone her immediately before this, you won't have another chance to take advantage of Goddess' low DEF.
7. Around the time Chardanook enters her weak state, queue up Aeris' SSB. Poltergeist is brutal even with Shell/MagBD, and this is ALWAYS where my loss get solidified.
Conclusion: Therefore, when Chardanook enters Goddess mode for the third time, don't do anything except have Ramza, then Aeris, queue up their SBs.
Addendum: DO NOT use Scream a second time until you are sure you've survived this phase. Otherwise it gets wasted and you lose the fight.
Final Edit: Nope, not happening without mitgation. Thundaja and Poltergeist are too strong. First phase is easier than the second phase, so I should save SG/SRS until that phase gets close.

(EDIT: If I ultimately lose with this setup) These tweaks should make my Come At Me Bro (with scream, hereby referred to as WHAT DID YOU SAY TO ME YOU PIECE OF SHIT?) build viable. Doesn't seem like farming orbs to hone skills or manufacture new ones will really help, so at least I can farm mythril this week in peace.

Going to bed. Consider this team for the next try:

Ramza (MajBD, ArmBD)
Agrias (Strongwater, Double Hit), Protectga Ribbon
Gilgy (Come at, Me Bro)
Mog (Shellga, Curaja), Mako Power RM
Aeris (Diaga, Curaga)
SG/SRS

Losing hastega suuuuuucks but honestly she isn't threatening to kill me until she stops using 4x Attack  in favor of Thundaja so taking more time in the first phase of the fight isn't the end of the world. More importantly, it doesn't really seem to matter in the end because if I don't have SG/SRS up I die to Poltergeist, period.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 10, 2015, 11:46:55 AM
Quote from: Zenny
Snow: What did they even buff on Gordon to make using him worthwhile? Or did they just introduce an even shittier character to take his spot?

Raised his attack from 95 to 121 at L65 along with giving him Josef-level HP and defense instead of the Vivi-tastic numbers he used to sport. This doesn't make him even particularly -good-, but at least he's usable in the front row now and has a niche (Support with decent Mind, good for status and WM buffs) besides dying to the first stiff breeze that crosses his way and having barely more front-row physical offense than Y'shtola with a dagger.

On today's farming: last run yielded a Magic Pot in all three stages, two of them being Greater Blacks. Life is fine.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 10, 2015, 01:14:54 PM
Why does this mashup exist? >.>;;

It was a response to this picture where Gordon saves the day (against Seymour Flux?).  http://imgur.com/842G9UR

Working through dungeon updates.  Hill Gigas was super easy compared to Eiko event.  Didn't lose a single medal, even on Elite.  Jenova Life and Death though, holy fuck that is a lot of damage.  I got through most of them with Stop cheese, but Death elite sent me back to the drawing board.  Gonna have to go back with a lot of damage mitigation and probably two white mages.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 10, 2015, 01:29:32 PM
Wow. I apparently am irrationally fond of someone irrationally hated by most.

Gordon'll be in my party until I decide to give Celes a go.

Zenny just is normally down when he knows he stands a chance.  Also he is a cheap fuck.  You know his maxim; in for a penny, in for a pound.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 10, 2015, 01:35:30 PM
Yeah, about the Jenovas: they'll kill you if they even so much as tap your ass unmitigated (holy -shit- 4k damage Red Lights on a boss who -doubleacts-). That's honestly even true for the Cloud MC2 event as well, but feels even more amped up for the dungeons. I went full magic mitigation -along- with Stop there. Good thing they're not Break-resistant, at least, that made Full Break pretty absurd. At least you can come to Jenova DEATH pre-buffed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 10, 2015, 02:42:41 PM
Magi Master is fun. I went a full physical setup so his constant Barrier switching did nothing to hinder me. It was kind of fun trolling him with Berserk at the end so his ragequit Ultima didn't even get to go off.

Snow is of course having all the farming luck. I haven't seen a Greater Orb on Black Power day yet... And I haven't seen a Major Orb from -any- of the new dailies.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 10, 2015, 03:59:20 PM
I only saw one Major all week. The rate's truly awful. It's just a more consistent bang for your buck on Greaters (even the rate on the non-Pot randoms seems slightly higher). If the rate keeps up for Lightning farming, I'll have the orbs for Thundaja tomorrow!

EDIT: Three Greater Blacks last run. The game's tricking me into believing I'll have R4 Blizzaja by January.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 10, 2015, 05:06:03 PM
In other news, Vanille got to L65. The rate in which I cap my healers' levels is simply alarming. Guess I'll switch the Curaga/buff duties to Hope, he's only L61. At least, Lenna's on the cusp of finally getting that Memory Crystal, she was my first L50 cleric. It's been a long time since the age of Cloud/Kain/Wakka/Lenna/Vanille autobattle shenanigans.

EDIT: To Zenny, there's one question I've been meaning to ask. For the longest time, I've seen people refer to Mog's Sun Bath as Atk +30% and high regen. Does it -also- have Def Up in addition to it or are they just horrendously wrong?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 10, 2015, 10:10:29 PM
Illogical love aside, I don't really think I can justify Gordon in my party after nabbing Celes, who can be both a white mage AND a spellblade which is pretty gross. It's not hard to make Celes into a really competent hybrid who can hit for slightly less than Cloud AND be my party's primary healer.

Current party is Golbez/?????/Celes/Cloud/Auron

I'm gonna experiment with different people in the ????? role. First up? Rinoa, oddly. I'm gonna try her with my Jack-O'-Lantern and some mixture of black/white/support. Then, as needed, if I really need more OOMF against a boss instead of the trash-mob cleaning Pumpkin, I'll give her an actual mage weapon. I just... kind of wish I actually OWNED any. At any rate, I'm thinking I can use her for random support shit as needed and maybe give her either Cura or maybe that new Renewing Cure ability. If I need extra elemental damage, swap either or both to spells and give her a better mage weapon.

If the Rinoa Experiment fails, next up to bat are Setzer and Wakka. And then maybe Thancred.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 10, 2015, 10:39:12 PM
On an entirely different note, playing FFXII has made me think: They ought to add a "Bomb" weapon type to this game. And make them damn good weapons.

It helps a lot of the same people that machinist will help. Inevitable boring old Cid 4 could believably get explosives and I doubt anyone would bat an eye. Cid 7, same story. They could conceivably stick it on any person in FFXII that is currently somewhat weak. There's probably a few others that they could stick it on that I'm drawing a blank on.

Iunno. It makes more sense than some of the unique weapon types.

EDIT
Barret. He's terrible, too. May as well give him some explosives. They're usable items in FFVII plus some of his gun arms are rocket launchers.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 10, 2015, 10:51:14 PM
Snow: Hooooooooly fuck what the hell. Goddamn my illiteracy, it is in fact ATK up.

Maybe I was just not paying attention when I was using it for mitigation... well fuck my ass. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 10, 2015, 11:30:50 PM
On the bright side, now you have a much better tool for your physical meta. Also saves you the Water of Strength slot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 10, 2015, 11:42:30 PM
Rinoa experiment is a success. This gives me just a tremendous flex option while not having to change my party around all the time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 11, 2015, 12:27:04 AM
On the bright side, now you have a much better tool for your physical meta. Also saves you the Water of Strength slot.
 

Yup. Actually, this should make my build viable against Chardanook if I just add SG.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 11, 2015, 03:02:35 AM
Last round of Black Power daily yielded three Greaters. All on the last round. No Magic Pots. Seriously, this is the bestest. Total tally for today: seven GBOs, four GPOs, IIRC. Hopefully Lightning daily will be just as good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 11, 2015, 06:56:48 AM
Beat Jenova Death elite.  My setup was Selphie (Shellga, Stop), Cloud (Power Break, Break Strike*), Aerith (Curaga, Protectga), Tifa (Magic Break, Pressure Point), Sephiroth (Launch, Yukikaze).  I prebuffed in the prior trash round, which is something I've never had to do in the game before.

*Yes I have a honed Break Strike.  I've been waiting for Bartz release for a very long time.  Yes I will be jizzing in my pants tonight.

MagiMaster elite was tough as well.  Very similar to Death, except less durable but no trash round to buff.  Problem is my FF6 chars are not well-leveled, so my damage sucked.  Luckily I was able to berserk him on the first action, so no barrier change.  This means he takes damage from any type of magic, so things like Trance Fira work.  Even so I was still running out of abilities at the end, mitigation was about to run out, needed a hail mary...

Setzer rolls a 6.

(http://static.zerochan.net/Setzer.Gabbiani.full.1362304.jpg)

Sorry for the big picture but that deserves some cool fanart.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 11, 2015, 08:54:51 AM
Chardarnook down~, Mastery get!

Ramza (ArmorBD, MagicBD), Katana Damage 1.2x
Zack (Double Hit, Dual Delay), Holy Attack
Gilgamesh (Come At Me Bro), Protectga Ribbon, Defense and Attack 1.1x, start Sap
Mog (Shellga, Curaja), Mako Power
Aeris (Diaga, Curaga), Actions Taken->Increased SB gauge

That was a tense fuckin' fight, I tell you what. Fortunately I was used to the first phase without mitigation, because without Hastega it's such a long fight that you can't afford to SG/SRS up until you're about to enter the weak phase. That last phase was absolutely brutal. I only ended up beating her before the 3rd Poltergeist attack thanks to Ramza and Zack chaining their SBs to delay his turn. Also, setting up while she was around half health was imperative. Going into the weak phase of the fight without all my buffs newly replenished lead to a couple of resets.

I was initially a little disappointed that it was yet another fight that I had to Reta Meta or Lose, but there was enough going on in the actual fight that the lack of variety in setup wiggle room more than made up for it. For once, the game had a timing gimmick that wasn't just absolutely retarded. I think that was helped by the fact that DeNA clearly defined what turns the transformation would happen on, what prompted the transformations, and made it longer than every other turn.

Welp, now it's mythril farmin til the end of the week. I already have another 15 built up, and the fall campaign should give me another 5, so another 11 pull before Celes' banner ends is a pretty strong possibility. I should also end up with somewhere around 140 Stamina, so I should stop wasting stamina while I sleep even without disrupting my sleep patterns to play. Progress!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 11, 2015, 09:26:05 AM
Dear diary, today I found a Major Wind Orb on my first farming run. I'll probably do nothing but farming until Autobattle on the Big Bridge lands.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 11, 2015, 03:22:21 PM
Two runs in the morning with no Greater/Major drops. Ho hum. Last drop during lunch: two Magic Pots on the first stage, then a Pot on the third and a random Greater Orb drop. Three Greater Lightning Orbs and another Greater Wind. And I was two Greater Lightnings short of R4 Thundaja. WELP.

I also honed Blizzaja to R2, but now I have to amass more Greater Blacks to get it to R3, but that's likely within reach by next week and it should me tide me over for Calamity Exdeath. R4 is a distant, though now not completely hopeless endeavor for late December.

EDIT: Apparently, the Greater Orb drops from the  Magic Pots on + dailies are fixed by stage. This means there's some leeway to manipulate drops on your favor while farming. Here's some insight from the reddit topic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/3sf7vb/you_can_somewhat_manipulate_type_of_orbs_in/

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 12, 2015, 12:04:42 AM
wow normally you have to edit in your NO WAIT EVERYTING IS GREAT after your everything sucks.

Cycling at a much faster rate today.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 12, 2015, 01:12:37 AM
I'm bored.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 12, 2015, 01:21:39 AM
100 Gem Pull.

Bartz's Air Knife.  Is this good?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 12, 2015, 01:37:40 AM
It is.

Three 11-pulls:

First draw: 2 Lilith Rods and an Al Bhed Jumper (wtf) + 3 four stars
Second draw:  Lilith Rod and a Gungnir (double wtf), no four stars
Third draw: 2 Diamond Plates + 2 four stars

On the one hand, I got 7 5-stars, including a 7-star rod and a 6-star light armor.  On the other hand, these were the two relics I desired least out of the ones available, and two of my 5-stars didn't even come from V.

Also I now have four different 5 or 6 star light armors.  Light armorsplosion.

Should also mention that I finished DU13, although I still haven't finished DU12.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 12, 2015, 01:57:27 AM
Lots of mage 5* items of the same type?  Doesn't that just mean you can have a party full of people using that one rod over and over?  Completely fuck up FF6 dungeons or whatever lillith rod it is
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 12, 2015, 02:26:25 AM
100 Gem Pull.

Bartz's Air Knife.  Is this good?

Nice. Good attack for a dagger and boosts Wind damage. The SB also is Wind-element and adds MT Sap.

Also, to Cap'n: at least you now have a lot of FF5 mage synergy with a possible 7* relic. That's pretty hot. There'll be another FF5 banner next month, too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 12, 2015, 02:57:47 AM
I'll be combining it, I don't follow the Reddit philosophy of keep everything uncombined.  Plus, rod jokes.

(http://i.imgur.com/5AsIwNF.jpg)

Crossed over to Elite dungeons to pick up Galuf and Lenna's memory crystals.  Then unlocked Bartz, but I don't have enough stamina left to get his memory crystal.  At least they don't make you do everything in order on this event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 12, 2015, 03:04:07 AM
I can't stop laughing at that.

Also, did autobattle version of the event. Tomorrow I'll handle the Elite version and grab relevant Memory Crystals and whatnot. Egged Bartz to L50 and Gilgy to L45 as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 12, 2015, 03:29:24 AM
I was less thinking of fucking around with your inv to min/max domain bonus or whatever the fuck it is called, just raw caster party strength being the main motivator there if Mages are as OPOP as snow represents them.

snow u wouldnt be lying 2 me would u?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on November 12, 2015, 03:45:03 AM
There's an argument to be made for doing that... but Cap'n K's been playing longer than most of us and probably has actual selection for mage weapons, so beefing up what he has is a pure win rather than having to balance one stronger mage against having good equips for two or three at once.

Also.


(http://i.imgur.com/5AsIwNF.jpg)


I guess that explains the quadruplets in the FFIX ending then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 12, 2015, 05:25:58 AM
That isn't really how virility works.

Not to deny that people will be all up ins on Vivi's robocock
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 12, 2015, 07:42:42 AM
the best part is how halfassed the sprite editing is

that probably sounded sacrastic but I swear it wasn't
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 12, 2015, 08:36:11 AM
DeNa released banner info and new skills for the next JP event, which introduces... Vincent. Seems like he'll be a gunner/mage/dancer (!!!) hybrid? They'll also introduce a new boss difficulty! Have fun, Zenny.

(If it's any consolation, Zack's getting a MC2 on the event as well.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 12, 2015, 09:03:23 AM
Welp.
They'll also introduce a new boss difficulty!

... Well then.

Quote
(If it's any consolation, Zack's getting a MC2 on the event as well.)

... Well then.

In all seriousness I can't say I'm terribly surprised about the new boss difficulty. 6* abilities have been out for long enough now that *someone* has probably almost amassed enough materials to make one. Plus, each of the last events has given me a freebie 5* ability and quite a few major orbs, so it's not that unreasonable that they're going to toss in bosses that make you make use of them.  I'm not going to fret too much about beating them until it looks feasible for me to do so though.

That Zack MC2 certainly helps. Hey, throw in a Celes/Terra SSB (I can hope >_>) and I may even have a shot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 12, 2015, 09:24:01 AM
Worst comes to worst, the Doom difficulty should at least stabilize the balance on Calamity to some degree. Since its introduction, Calamity has had wildly inconsistent difficulty (there have been horror stories about Calamity Vossler and Beatrix, for instance). Doom!Hojo's gimmick seems to be that he counters physicals with status and can't be stunned, which seems to be an answer to JP's current Lifesiphon/SSB meta. I think they could stand to introduce a Lifesiphon-like ability for mages as well - heck, just adapt Osmose.

Regardless, should be entertaining. I still can't get over Vincent possibly getting DANCER this event.

EDIT:
I was less thinking of fucking around with your inv to min/max domain bonus or whatever the fuck it is called, just raw caster party strength being the main motivator there if Mages are as OPOP as snow represents them.

snow u wouldnt be lying 2 me would u?

Cappy has a pretty good set of mage gear already and combining his three Lilith Rods would give him a 130~ or so Mag monstrosity - likely the best Mag out of anything the DL has. With synergy, I wouldn't be surprised if Cap broke 400 MAG on Vivi. I can hear Calamity Exdeath whimpering from nearly two months away.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 12, 2015, 10:49:59 AM
Did the dollar pull and a 3-pull on the FF5 banner because I don't have much for good FF5 synergy. Not only did I not get any 5-stars, but I didn't even get any FF5 items... Sheesh, RNG just doesn't like me today. I guess I'll do the second dollar pull on the second half of the banner when/if that comes out, but otherwise, it looks like FF5 isn't going to be my strong realm.

Which is too bad because I fuckin' love having Gilgamesh in my party.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 12, 2015, 11:45:19 AM
...I've got 118 Mithril.  Should I spend it on this event, on trying to get Squall's SSB weapon, or the FF9 event?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 12, 2015, 12:08:28 PM
Depends on what you need. This event has balanced gear, but not really that powerful - late December, there'll be another FF5 event with much better gear and even repeats of the better stuff on this one. If you have good FF8 synergy (and I know you have at least Rinoa's Valkyrie -and- Rising Sun), even if you want the Cutting Trigger, I'd wait for the next Soul Celebration late December. FF9's second banner is mage heaven, so if you need mage gear, go for it.

In practice, knowing what I know of your gear: save your Mythril for the Rift of Recollection SSBreakfast.

I guess I'll do the second dollar pull on the second half of the banner when/if that comes out

This event only has one banner. Come again on the Faris/Krile event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 12, 2015, 01:06:23 PM
Got all of the Memory Crystals for Autobattle On The Big Bridge, cap-broke all the characters as well. Likely running Gilgy, Bartz and Lenna for the rest of the event. Weirdly, my synergy for the realm isn't too bad (Fake 5* Hypno Crown, Thornlet and Rune Axe, 5* Judgment Rod, Genji Helm and Genji Armor), so this makes things rather easy. Fun event. Kinda on my heels for the Seifer event, though, since I'm definitely pulling on it. The chance, however slight, of finally getting some AoE healing, a Rinoa SB relic or even Squall's SSB is pretty enticing and I seriously lack FF8 synergy. Heck, not even getting the Ochu Tentacle would make me too upset.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 12, 2015, 01:19:36 PM
Ff5 peeps.

Old man and princess are lv capped.

Buttz is 45, Gilgi is 30.

Ran out of eggs.

Drat!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 12, 2015, 01:27:59 PM
I feel like I got drunk dialed by FFRK.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 12, 2015, 02:46:32 PM
I think Jo'ou has a point for me and FF8 Synergy.  To wit:

Squall's Revolver
Squall's Shear Trigger
Rinoa's Valkyrie
Rinoa's Rising Sun+
Fujin's Chakram (Shared Throwing weapon with a MAG bonus)
Running Fire (Gun with a shared SB)
Estharian Helmet (Helmet with MAG/MND bonuses attached)
3x Ten-gallon Hats
and to top it off, a Flail++.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 12, 2015, 02:58:21 PM
adele - hello.mp3
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 12, 2015, 03:01:44 PM
Ff5 peeps.

Old man.and princess are lv capped.

Buttz is 45, Gilike is 30.

Ran out of eggs.

Drat!

Amen.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 12, 2015, 04:41:02 PM
Did the second-to-last Elite stage of Autobattle On The Big Bridge, in which Gilgamesh countered himself to death through Draw Fire Advantaliate shenanigans for 7.5k a pop. This game is silly.

EDIT: I found this while randomly reading back on the WGAYP topic and wanted to keep it handy.

(I'll probably need it in the future)

FFRK:
11 relic pulls.

(http://i.imgur.com/kQ4cu7z.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 12, 2015, 06:46:39 PM
the best part is how halfassed the sprite editing is

I've been rocking MSPaint longer than MSPaint Adventures.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 12, 2015, 10:06:44 PM
EDIT: I found this while randomly reading back on the WGAYP topic and wanted to keep it handy.

(I'll probably need it in the future)
Quote
"Suppose if you’ve been through something catastrophic, like a storm or an earthquake together, something horrendous… it’d bring you together. But what if they are creating disaster within themselves?” (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XgeKHTcufLY)

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 13, 2015, 10:33:16 AM
Autobattle On The Big Bridge finished until Saturday, when they release the bonus fights. Meanwhile, I'm cleaning up the remaining update dungeons. Just Phoenix Cave and Gaea's Cliff left.

On a more hilarious note, they released Vincent in JP and he has the -most amazing- spread. Decent ATK! Good MAG! Absolutely no skills to use his ATK with because he runs off Black Magic 5* and Summon 4*! Literally core-level across the board durability with low-tier mage HP, sub-Vivi defense and sub-Fran res! At least he gets Rods and Staves, so he's offensively usable, but wow, he makes pre-buff Gordon look like a sentinel.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 13, 2015, 12:57:35 PM
Annnnd done with DU13. The fights were shockingly easy, I managed to master all of them first try running Lenna/Bartz/Gilgamesh (who are frankly underlevelled for current Elite story dungeons), except for Cultists' Tower II, where I ran Garnet instead of Lenna because Carbuncle near-completely trivializes its trash. Ran Kirin instead of Curaga due to that as well (and still mastered first attempt with little fuss). I guess I'll farm Greater Holy Orbs for the rest of the day, then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 13, 2015, 03:41:03 PM
I'm getting caught up on ff5 elite stages.

Just beat the sand worm.

Buttz is lv capped. Gilgi  is 40.

Hope at lv 53 for random blm in party.

Not having good gear for ff5 is making this a slower process then what it should be.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 13, 2015, 04:49:10 PM
o bbe u wan som sandworm?  graviga all over ur face
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 13, 2015, 05:41:52 PM
what is love
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt me
no more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISP9uEQeo6c)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 13, 2015, 06:12:51 PM
Autobattle On The Big Bridge finished until Saturday, when they release the bonus fights. Meanwhile, I'm cleaning up the remaining update dungeons. Just Phoenix Cave and Gaea's Cliff left.

On a more hilarious note, they released Vincent in JP and he has the -most amazing- spread. Decent ATK! Good MAG! Absolutely no skills to use his ATK with because he runs off Black Magic 5* and Summon 4*! Literally core-level across the board durability with low-tier mage HP, sub-Vivi defense and sub-Fran res! At least he gets Rods and Staves, so he's offensively usable, but wow, he makes pre-buff Gordon look like a sentinel.

All things considered, this is surprisingly accurate for Vincent, just FF7 is a game where stat deviations weren't huge, so this is a more extreme version of his build...though the strength and Res would need to be swapped (to be fair Vincent is a better fighter than you'd think at first glance due to 255% accuracy weapons + Deathblow combo, albeit still leagues behind Tifa's nonsense)

Still, I'm actually glad they went the route of making Vincent a Mage since it showed they actually did their homework.  I was so expecting "yet another Support Gunner" because of stereotyping.  I don't even care about Vincent, but it does help solidify they're at least TRYING to capture the characters accurately to some degree...

...though Shadow really needs to get Thief skillset.  Kind of insulting they went "We need to buff him!" and then just gave him +2 Strength even though his skillset is clearly way less inspired than other Ninjas, and decided to give Yuffie Dancer 4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 13, 2015, 06:28:48 PM
It's just really funny to me that they made him the ur-glass cannon (though yeah, he -is- game-worst durability in FF7 and he -is- a mage in that game, so it fits). It feels like they considered giving him Combat 4, even, and then decided against it because they didn't want a Lifesiphon mage. Really wonder what will they do with Cait Sith at this juncture.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on November 13, 2015, 07:36:31 PM
Bard 5, Dance 5, Black/White/Summon/Support 2, can use Instruments and all 'Unique' weapon types, default SB causes Frog to all targets.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 13, 2015, 11:30:38 PM
He'll have machinery to some degree.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 14, 2015, 01:05:49 AM
I wouldn't assume he does.  FF7 already has 2 Machinist characters (Cid and Barret), and Cait Sith doesn't really do much in the way of machines in FF7, where as Cid was the team mechanic and Barret has a machine gun grafted on his arm. 

That said, I beat Gilgamesh no less than 6 times since the event dropped.  Yeah, as timing would have it, I just got to that exact area in the Dungeon Updates, completed the main part of the event and moved onto the dungeon.  Didn't do Elite yet, will wait for after Sunday at least when Bartz/Gilgamesh get a bunch of levels, making that a lot easier; I want Vivi's Memory Crystal after all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 14, 2015, 01:30:50 AM
Taking it easy now, did the equipment daily a few times so I could maximize the size of my rod.

With synergy, I wouldn't be surprised if Cap broke 400 MAG on Vivi.

Try 453.

Lilith Rod goes from 121+3 magic to 235+5 with synergy.

===============

I neglected to complain about PC Gilgamesh yet.  He should be able to equip weapons in his armor and accessory slots.  And his default SB should be Excalipoor and do 1 damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 14, 2015, 09:44:24 AM
Second 11 pull of the week yeilded Relm's cat hood, a second Oath Veil, my 4th FF12 Diamond Sword and a second FF5 Hypno Crown. Pretty damn good. I'm pretty sure the two 4*++ Swords and whatnot makes FF12 my 3rd best realm synergy after 6 and 7 now.

I have so many hats. I went from no hats to all the hats in one week. Is good.

Debating gathering mythril for one final 3 pull before the FF6 banner ends because fanboyism, but I should probably get Relm battle ready during the Sundayly. I'd also like to get Richard to 50 finally so I can stop using him.

EDIT: Wooow. Or I could screw up and combine all the swords together to make only 1 4++ sword. That was really dumb, Zenny. I blame the Saturday hangover.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 14, 2015, 12:06:06 PM
Zenny your sword is so huge.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 14, 2015, 01:35:05 PM
Currently farming Greater NE and Ice Orbs. Today's achievement was honing Magic Breakdown to R4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 14, 2015, 02:49:15 PM
Blew eggs over Richard, beat Elite Belias XII, got his record materia and will never use him again. Good organ bank, bad character.

Did the Vincent event up through the ++ battle, nothing too hard. Had to reset 3 times against the Turks because I ran out of silence buster charges trying to silence Rude. Admittedly, one of them was me misreading the mastery conditions and trying to Sleep Rude and Silence Elena, but whatevs. Zack's level broken.

I already have 11 more mythril thanks to the revamped quest system (you get 5 mythril back for doing a pull), so I'll probably go ahead and run dungeons tonight then spend all day tomorrow levelling Zack, Relm, and Ramza to 80 and Shit-brat to 65 for his sweet, sweet Dr. Mog organ. Neither Reno nor Vincent have organs I want or interest me all that much so they're probably never going to see the light of day again. Reno's RM2 could be good (Rod Equipped, BM damage 1.2x) but is strictly worse than Doublecast BM for bosses and Mana font for dungeons. Vincent's RM2 would be fine if I had any guns but nope.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 15, 2015, 06:56:11 AM
Beat the Boss Rush.  Highlight was Galuf making Archeoavis his bitch with Silence Buster and Pressure Point.

++ fight took some resets because Flash shared SB kept missing.

Tried the +++ fight but I didn't have the right setup for it.  Going to need a second white mage.  Barriers aren't bad with Shellga and 8600 damage Ruingas.  But Necrophobe himself has strong ranged physical attacks, so Protectga will be needed.

Oh but I forgot the most important bit of news:

ALL QUESTS COMPLETE.  I got me some Flare Strike baybee!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 15, 2015, 01:25:31 PM
Bonuses for Autobattle On The Big Bridge completed. Highlights:

- Boss rush kinda sucks. It's so centered on inaccurate gravity stuff that it forgets actual offense outside Archeoavis. Full-medaled.
- Gilgamesh/Enkidu battle is kind of a pain if he decides spamming Death Claw is a good idea. Lenna got hit by it once, but was never targetted afterwards, so she managed to make a recover. I brought Blindga for simplicity instead of Dark Buster.
- I went YOLO for Necrophobe and full-medaled the run due to it. Carbuncle => MT blitz from hell => bumrush Necrophobe because his offense is really dangerous without dual mitigation layers. R2 Meteor and R3 Valefor paid off big time here.

Today, as usual, is XP grindans for my party. Hope's now level-capped again. Brought out the Marias for my black mage filler spot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 15, 2015, 01:34:09 PM
And just in time for me to finish all my quests, DeNa throws in limited-time quests.

Check your Bonus quests *and* Event quests for the next three days.  There are one day-only quests on each day.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 15, 2015, 02:01:09 PM
Yup. Did them before going to proper Sundailying. Thanks for the free Mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 16, 2015, 06:27:04 AM
Hahahahaha.

The new Calamity Plus fight is 1 stamina. That is for some reason the most ominous thing they could have done with the fight.

Also the new 7 banner has Zack's ssb weapon out. May toss 15 mythril that way later this week but since  I don't really care and I'm coming toward the end of the story dungeons soon I feel like I should hold off on using 50 on this one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 16, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Horror stories on reddit point to Calamity Rufus and Dark Nation (!!!) spamming four-digit MT physical damage -post-mitigation-. Have a fun.

Already cleaned out today's flash quests for Mythril, a Greater Growth Egg and pointless upmats. I'm just saving stamina for farming Greater Black Orbs on Ultima Weapon 1 Elite as of now. On unrelated news, Lenna finally broke past the 3k HP barrier at L57.

EDIT: So, seems like the GBO drop rate on Ultima Weapon's actually pretty good. Four runs, two orbs for relatively little effort. Nice thing to remember while farming on the off lull day. In other news, I now have R3 Blizzaja.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 16, 2015, 03:01:53 PM
Man, I still haven't even crafted Blizzaja.

Got a 5-star light armor from the FF5 banner with an MT Blind Soul Break. Is this going to be useful for the bonus fights?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 16, 2015, 03:35:09 PM
Yes, both Gilgamesh and Necrophobe are Blind-vulnerable and physical-heavy.

Man, I still haven't even crafted Blizzaja.

Hitting Calamity Exdeath with Ice is a target score and I want to have a sufficient battle portfolio against him, so Blizzaja at a R3 minimum is imperative. Thundaja and Firaja are already covered at R4, at least, Diaga at R4 if I have the room will also help. Maybe I could run Vivi/Rydia/Lenna/Y'shtola/Sazh for that battle.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 16, 2015, 05:00:20 PM
Bah.

Beat gilgi n pet in ++ and lost 4 medals.

Gotta redo the dam thing. Shame too because I had no issues with the fight. Need more damage I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 16, 2015, 07:44:37 PM
Beat Necrophobe, was really easy this time due to RNG.  Got Shellga off before any of the barriers attacked, and Necro didn't use Sap at all and only used his Wind Slash once.

I never realized how much of a Blue Mage Gilgamesh is, now I really want them to add Blue Magic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 16, 2015, 09:03:52 PM
Dang, yeah necrophobe was easy. Mastered that 1st attempt.

Still have to redo the previous fight.

What am I gonna do with all this upgrade mats doh?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on November 16, 2015, 09:16:37 PM
I have to say, after being PRETTY disappointed at a few story dungeons for neglecting it, Big Bridge making the effort to loop music between fights was much appreciated (even if they didn't QUITE manage it and settled for just using the same track for both).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 17, 2015, 12:59:48 AM
13 runs, five Greater Blacks, about 63k XP from farming Ultima. Not too bad, not at all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 17, 2015, 10:52:27 AM
Daily, Daily, give me your answer do... Forgot to report on Sundaily, running only Zack and Relm got him to 71 and her to 66. Not bad. Relm's RM2, and EXP+ materia, also popped, so dungeoning is actually returning poor returns instead of garbage returns on that front. Black Power day has been kind, plenty of Greater Black and Greater Powers, two Major Blacks already. A couple weeks should herald the age of R2 Meteor, after which point I'll probably shift production back to R2 Full Break then getting my ajas to R5 and working honing Ruinga and Drainga, in roughly that order.  Also got Curaja to R5 just from Calamity battle rewards this week, holy hell getting R5 4* hones is expensive. Like, finally-eat-through-my-OrbfestII-gil-horde expensive. Going back to doing Wednesday and Saturday dailies all day as well, since I'm hurting for basically all of those orbs, also last week kinda absorbed all my time and doing only dailies at least gives me the illusion of freedom.

Watched a couple videos of Rufus and Dark Nation. It's looking like I may be able to swing it with a physical setup that has Dispel, thinking RamZackRiasErisOg, Agrias mostly for tanking and dispel, Aeris and Mog for obvious reasons. Definitely going to throw 15 Mythril at Zack's banner, though, because having a Hastega RW puts it well within the realms of possibility instead of a longshot. The only successful videos out I've seen so far had similar setups to me but much nicer SSBs. Running Scream instead of SG also seems like worth trying once, but with that much MT hard hitting damage... eh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 17, 2015, 12:57:12 PM
So I finally got Vivi's RM2 while running Tuesdailies, so now I have to wonder.

Which is better: Vivi's Devotion or Ashe's Vow of Vengeance?

On one side, Vivi's Devotion has +20% MDamage vs. VoV's mere 17%...  But on the other side, VoV only lowers a stat that Black Mages don't actually care about.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 17, 2015, 01:22:11 PM
VoV's 10%. And Devotion is overall better, that's a nearly 40% damage boost to magical damage compared to VoV's 18%~ and it's only a sub-10% durability loss from a class that runs in the back row -and- usually has high Res. If you're running multiple mages, you're likely fielding both RMs anyway, though.

Gotta love exponential damage formulae.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on November 17, 2015, 03:46:19 PM
Since VoV affects the magic stat the overall damage increase is actually 17%.

EDIT: Still worse than Devotion, but at least it's not a bad alternative if you're running two mages.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 17, 2015, 04:22:58 PM
I noted the stat and overall boosts. Non-linear statistical effects are a thing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 18, 2015, 01:38:27 AM
Ohhhhhh snap, guys. I just checked out the +++ reward for Vincent's event. It's an Full Break dance. A full break dance that hones with all the Major Orbs I currently have no use for.

Omg DeNA release a Mog MC2 and just solidify how hard you want that Moogle riding top in my A team. Unf. That move seriously bumps him up in usefulness to me, and he was already pretty dang high.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 18, 2015, 02:00:20 AM
And you people wanted Blue Magic.

Fuck that noise you get Breakdancing Vincent instead.

You don't deserve something this good from this game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 18, 2015, 02:24:47 AM
Did an 11-pull and the 100-gem pull for Squall's SSB banner. The 100-gem pull yielded a 5* Blitz Helm and the 11-pull yielded me a -second- Blitz Helm and an Inferno Fang. Good results all in all, I can finally retire the 10-Gallon Hat and I badly needed physical synergy for FF8. Also, full hat party hype is a go-go.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 18, 2015, 02:50:47 AM
Fuck that noise you get Breakdancing Vincent instead.
Breakdancing Vincent
Breakdancing
Break dance

Oh my fucking god why did that not click sooner

PS as cool as that would be Vinny can't use dances. Would you accept breakdancing Kefka? Cuz I totally accept Breakdancing Kefka.

Edit: After finding this out, Lightning and Wind day dropped in priority compared to Dark Holy day, so I stopped farming and took on Ultima Weapon. No medals lost. Need… 12 more Major Holy orbs, so I wish I hadnt dumped so many into Alexander, but I needed them at the time so whatever. I'm drowning in Whites and Darks, though, so that's all I need. Won't have R2 Break Fever for Rufus sadly, but certainly soon. Gonna wait on more videos to come out before I try tackling Rufiosus, so probably gonna dungeon until I give it a try this evening. I'm also pretty close to R4 Indoor Spell, though, so I mau just keep farming for now.

Plus side, not caring so much about Full Break anymore, so R4 Thundaja, R4 Power Breakdown, and R5 Waterja should all be happening soon. Though since my best team now is far and away physical oriented, maybe I should invest more in abilities for Zack and Gilgamesh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 18, 2015, 03:22:03 AM
i thought that was the joke

also i didn't pay attention to the list but someoen here listed like a billion fucking skillsets vincent has thought one was dancer
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 18, 2015, 03:42:23 AM
Still doing single pulls on Bartz banner.  Got a Flametongue tonight, which will go wonderfully with my r4 Firaga Strike.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 18, 2015, 05:34:08 AM
Single pull from FF8 Banner gave me a 3* FF3 Armor, well poop.

I MOSTLY finished the Bartz/Gilgamesh Event, failing to Champion Necrophobe, even with a Mythril +2 Ability boost.  The saddest part?  Lenna was killed on his last action; he was blinded, used Vacuum Wave, it hit 2/5 characters, and Lenna got critted...I am NOT S/Ling that entire fight because it's a pain.  I don't need 20 Giant Scarletites, so I'm just losing the 3 Major Lightning Orbs, meh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 18, 2015, 08:23:58 AM
i thought that was the joke

also i didn't pay attention to the list but someoen here listed like a billion fucking skillsets vincent has thought one was dancer

They actually buffed Yuffie to have Dance 4. Vincent getting Dancer was speculation that sadly didn't pan out.

EDIT: completed Seifer event's autobattle half. Should be done with it tonight at worst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 18, 2015, 09:51:24 AM
You can all go back to knowing the game sucks then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 18, 2015, 09:57:18 AM
Hey, you guys are now where JP was at in... April? Whenever I played the game and then made a big deal about quitting then succumbed to obsession months later.

OK, after analyzing Rufus videos I think I certainly have a chance of winning, if not a chance of mastery.

So, tentative setup:

Ramza (Power BD, Armor BD), Katana damage 1.2x, Masamune
Zack (Indoor Spell, Drain Strike), Start: Aspir, Damage 1.2x, Zack's Glove
Mog (Break FEVAH!, Curaja), Power of Mako
Aeris (Protectga, Curaga), Skill use->SB gauge UP
Agrias (Dispel, Reflect), Fancy Wristwatch (weak MT heal SB)
SG/SRS

So, Agrias and Dispel/Reflect. I have a really good feeling that Agrias, especially since she's not at L80, does not have the durability to do Draw Attack+Drain Strike, although being perfectly honest that is Plan B. Dispel/Reflect is possibly a useful combo because I won't be casting any magic on Rufio or Black Panther, and Black Panther routinely hastes Rufio and himself. I'm pretty sure hasted Rufio is going to wreck my butthole pretty hard, so I need Dispel, and once I get reflect up on both of them I get the buff, which will help me immensely no matter who gets it. Really, the only characters that it doesn't help me to get it on would be... Agrias, and that's it. Everyone else helps me immensely by either making my healing more reliable or boosting my damage output. It SEEMs like a sound strategy, anyway...

though, that said, this is a strategy recommended by Kongbakpao, so I totally imagine this will blow up in my face. Still, it's just so cool that even if it doesn't work I'll be glad to spend the timebux on the off chance that it does work.

The 4-digit MT damage blasts of doom seem to all come from Mako Cannon, and he seems to either start spamming that at 50% HP or when Black Panther dies (pretty sure the former despite KBP's claim otherwise), so I'll save my Aeris heals for the last half of the fight. For SCIENCE!, and also for the chance of more hastes coming my way, I'll leave Black Panther alive until almost the very end on my first try. If it is in fact below 50%, I'll probably save my first SG until Rufio's at about 60% or so, relying on Protect, Power BD and Break FEVAH to carry me through the first phase. I'll probably also kill off Black Panther ASAP and save my second BEAVER for when I'm about to knock him into his weak phase.

Hojo, I have no reason not to try because of the absurdly low (and thus terrifying) Timebux cost. It looks like I'm gonna want to Tauntaliate for mitigation more than anything, since he seems to have two separate 4x strike attacks that deal status.

He also has no mastery reqs, meaning I can only lose like one medal or something. Terrifying.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 18, 2015, 12:01:41 PM
Did some pulls.

I seem to be getting nothing but hats. (For 5-stars, anyway, who cares about non-5-stars?)

In JP, I got Relm and Yuffie's hats. Yay?

In Global, I got the FF6 Oath Veil, and oddly enough, the FF4 Gold Hairpin... from the FF8 banner that just happened. ...why?

I mean, this is great for my mage team, but still weird.

Now I just need a hat that gives MT healing in my Global account. Snowpedia, when's the next one coming out?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 18, 2015, 12:09:14 PM
Next MT healing relics are Eiko's Golem Flute (Cura+Hastega) and FF9 Healing Rod, both on Zidane's second banner next week. I'm dropping 100 mythril minimum on that. After that, Yuna's Lullaby Rod makes a return on Lulu's first banner.

Also, FF4 Golden Hairpin was on Golbez's banner and both hats you got are currently on the non-featured relic draw (IIRC, from the 5* odds, there's a 1-2% chance the relic you get isn't from the banner draw). Not a bad find, got one of those on Auron's 100-gem pull.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 18, 2015, 12:44:11 PM
*Asserts dominance.*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 18, 2015, 12:48:57 PM
*Know your place, Margulis.*

At least, do it right.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 18, 2015, 01:21:57 PM
Implying referencing Xenosaga is doing it right.

No seriously though Djinn stop sucking. Get gud bro
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 18, 2015, 01:25:51 PM
Well, time to make a sacrifice to the RNG gods, then! I select 1x Zenny for the ritual submersion in 20-sided dice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 18, 2015, 01:31:50 PM
Dude no man you don't want to do that. You think you're gonna get my luck all up in your business but my luck is locked down tight. Safer than walgreens generic sleepin pills. Keep twisting kid all you get is clicks.

You're gonna turn around and get a security rake in the face and land on your ass with a five star substance abuse problem and coping mechanisms that alienate you from people that could potentially be friends if you just stopped insulting them for five minutes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 18, 2015, 01:37:24 PM
Well that got way darker and self denigrating than I bargained for...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 18, 2015, 01:48:07 PM
We -are- talking about addiction.

Speaking of which, got Seifer's MC, cap-broke both losercoats and chicken-wuss. Current ETA for R2 Full Break: Shadow's event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 18, 2015, 01:59:41 PM
I forgot I was talking to Zenny

Remember folks, the only person I hate more than all of you is myself.

EDIT: R4 Indoor Spell! Today was a good day. I have plans tomorrow that required me to achieve today, and I did.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 18, 2015, 02:36:34 PM
I don't want anybody else, when I think about you I touch myself (http://youtu.be/wv-34w8kGPM)

EDIT: Seifer event done, very little to say until the bonus fights. However, for VSM fanservice, that particular Seifer fight at the end -does- involve Odin getting trounced by him if you use the summon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 18, 2015, 08:14:49 PM
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.

I'm just a couple of mythril away from another 11 pull. Kind of want to do it on FFVIII because I like the characters more AND it's a much weaker realm for me than FFV, even though I have a Blitz Sword. And I hear Selphie is really good, so that means if I get Seifer/Squall/Zell/Selphie/Irvine I'm not actually too bummed out about having to stick them into my party. Rinoa already IS in my party.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 18, 2015, 10:06:19 PM
Selphie I believe is a pretty stock White Mage.   As in, she has White Magic at 5, and a few other skills, Black 3 means she can fling some status and hit some elemental weaknesses if you need extra, and Celerity 3 means she can even hit Wind Damage, and do...well little else, that's a physical skillset.

I guess she has above average HP for a White Mage, but it's not really stand out; like 10% more than the others, and White Mages have fairly low HP. 

So she's kind of generic, but not necessarily bad.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 18, 2015, 10:56:00 PM
Thing with Selphie is mostly that it's hard to go wrong with White Mages in the game. Decent durability and equips for a cleric also go a pretty long way. "Generic White Mage" is one of the better things to be if you're not going to stand out notably, since WM is such a self-sufficient and versatile skillset. Anyone with decent stats, staves and White Magic 4 or higher is a PC on the better side of average pretty much by default.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 18, 2015, 11:25:02 PM
Selphie's main draw is having a versatile skillset outside of White Magic.  Black 3 is enough to use the black statuses to good effect with an excellent mind stat.  Selphie casting Stop lasted at least twice as long as the stop from Balthier using Shadowbind.  Celerity is a physical attack skillset, but she can for example use Tempo Flurry on a Retaliate team, whereas most White Mages don't have access to that or Double Hit.

She also has good durability and can use Light Armor.  Really her strengths are that she has no weaknesses.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on November 18, 2015, 11:43:12 PM
She also has good durability and can use Light Armor.  Really her strengths are that she has no weaknesses.

Well... she does have one weakness.*

(http://i.imgur.com/5AsIwNF.jpg)

*why yes, ANY excuse to bring that back.  I mean duh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 19, 2015, 11:13:38 AM
Info on the next JP event is out. Basch for token new PC, Balthier, Vaan and Penelo get SSBs and MC2s.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 19, 2015, 11:27:38 AM
What's the ETA for the Seifer bonus battles, the 20th?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 19, 2015, 11:35:55 AM
Yeah, so FF12 event up next. Balthier's (Alternately, Valfreya*) MC2 and a bunch of shit I don't care about based on the description. Any info on what the SSBs actually are, Snow?

*I am having way more fun doing this than is reasonable, guys
---

So, Rufio. Crow for me, bitch. I beat him, but missed mastery by quite a lot.

This has been an interesting fight to get information from. For instance, today I learned that Dispel isn't actually that annoying, because while it does get rid of Protect/Shell/Regen/Haste, it does NOT get rid of buffs that directly affect the stat (SG, Sun Bath, etc.) and does not cancel out Reraise. So Dark Nation's Dispel is, while annoying, not the massive threat it seemed to be on the first try. I also learned that Black Panther is way smarter than, say, Dark Bahamut, because reflecting his teammates does not lead to him reflecting haste onto you. Literally after I typed that it happened in the next run. It was a failed run because Ramza was dead, but well it does happen apparently.


After several resets, I've determined that I have no fucking idea how Rufus' AI works, but I have an OK theory. I'm pretty sure KBP was wrong (EDIT: After writing this, I looked back at the wiki and they've updated with correct information. I guess nobody else playing had any idea how it worked for a while either), and it isn't after Dark Nation bites it, but after a certain number of turns that Rufus just goes "MAKO CANNON MAKO CANNON MAKO CANNON" and you die. Or it could be bad luck! But I think not. No matter if I focused down his puppy, if I focused him down, or if I spread the damage between them, always around the time Aeris gets her first SB gauge filled I get a Mako cannon to the face, and then several more. For a while, he'll go back to his starting attack pattern, but then MAKO CANNON MAKO CANNON. Actually, I documented his moved over several times to see if they were fixed, and it seems like after about turn 8-10 or so the Mako Cannon floodgates open and while he doesn't use it quite every turn, he uses it a shitload. For the record, my winning run looked something like this:

1. Shotgun
2. Shotgun
3. Kyuk Kyuk Gatling
4. Double Shotgun
5. Gatling
6. MT Fire attack
7. Gatling
8. Shotgun
9. Gatling
10. Mako Cannon
11. Mako Cannon
12. Mako Cannon
13. MT Fire
14. Mako Fire
15. Mako Cannon
16. Mako Fire
17. Mako Fire
18. Mako Cannon
19. Mako Cannon (Second SG wore off here)
20. Shotgun
21. Mako Cannon
22. Mako Cannon (Aeris Dead)
23. Mako Cannon (Agrias dead, Aeris Double dead)
24. Shotgun (Agrias double dead)
25. Mako Cannon (Mog, Ramza dead)

I beat him this round, but only Zack was left alive and it was super tense. As you can see, after about turn 10 or so he just started spamming that blasted fucking move without remorse.

I'm not quite sure if mastery is possible, and if it is it's going to take a lot of S/Ling for RNG luck, but the obvious improvement is swapping Agrias out. Reflect did contribute, but not very much, and Agrias herself contributed very little in the back half of the fight once Dispel wasn't a necessity. Unless Rufio's MDef is stupid, swapping in Terra with Dispel/Waterja will be an immediate extra 2500+ a round in the last half of the fight. Gilgamesh with Come At Me Bro is tempting, too, especially to counter the double shotguns and give me an extra boost of damage while Dark Nation is still alive, assuming his ST attack is indeed Reta-able. Plus, he does have more HP than anyone else I'm fielding, but... not having dispel potentially means bringing on the Mako Cannon phase of the fight sooner than later, or going into that phase of the fight with him hasted. I suppose I could swap Break Fever out, if I went this way, since Gilgy would be providing mitigation against ST attacks. It'd be an RNG fest for sure, but it's not like the first phase wasn't already... actually, that's sounding really fuckin' sexy.

Mmph, I wish I could test out his RES without spending another 3 hours of stamina. Maybe I'll actually do Terra first just so I know for sure if it's a valid route or not and I'm not wasting time S/Ling Gilgamesh's waiting for the perfect RNG roll.  EDIT: Definitely trying Terra first, actually, because the accessory I earned from it gives 45 MAG with synergy. Yuss.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 19, 2015, 12:19:52 PM
Yeah, so FF12 event up next. Balthier's (Alternately, Valfreya*) MC2 and a bunch of shit I don't care about based on the description. Any info on what the SSBs actually are, Snow?

The big star seems to be Fran's SSB, which is the very first Full Break SB (possibly stronger than normal breaks, as it tends to happen to char SBs). Balthier's SSB inflicts OIL status and Penelo's SSB is three hits of Holy damage+AoE Curaga. Basch's shield is MT Def Up+Atk Up, which means it stacks with other attack and defense boosts.

EDIT:

What's the ETA for the Seifer bonus battles, the 20th?

The same as every other event that isn't FF14's collab: three days after the event premieres - i.e. tomorrow in this case.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 19, 2015, 12:36:18 PM
Yup, always Friday for the event to drop, then Monday for the bonuses in JP. I imagine it is similar in Global.

Fran's SSB sounds tempting, though Ramza already fills my Support hole good. May throw 15 myth at that banner but probably not more.

Update on Rufus, Dark Puppy has shit for Res (8k vs 5k to Rufio with Firaja), so when this event pops in several months for you all, you can probably just wreck with Mana's Praen and multiple instances of Drainga. Fully suspect I'll have mastery on this second run with good enough RNG.

Then I get to obsess about Hojo. Yay.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 19, 2015, 12:43:28 PM
For you, it'd be mostly a banner to fill ranged offense holes in your equipment. Fran uses a bow, Balthier uses a gun, but not all that much else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 19, 2015, 01:00:17 PM
Yeah, sounds like it. Not gonna fret too much about missing it, though the ranged offence would be nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 19, 2015, 01:05:28 PM
At worst, you'll get a Support 4/Thief 5 option in Vaan, so you might finally get someone good to use Thief Raid+Steal Power with. Balthier has Thief 4/Spellblade 4/Engineer 5, which is also funny, but Balthy's stats aren't as good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 19, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Well, at worst I get jack shit and move on, but yeah that Vaan option sounds pretty good. Balthier would still be better by virtue of Drain Strike being cheap to forge. Actually just by virtue of niches I need filled, Fran's sounds like the least optimal, but then again that'd free up a slot for Ramza to show off his singing voice, which in light of direct boosts to stats not being affected by dispel, just may be really freakin good.

In any case, still not terribly concerned. I'll drop 15, but not knowing what other banners there are I'm just gonna save myth. I freely admit that a large part of that may well be having no emotional attatchment to having any of these characters being useful like I do the 6/Tactics crew.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 19, 2015, 01:42:10 PM
Most people have no emotional attachment to FFXII PCs, that's why they've got a grand total of four events - counting the upcoming one - in the roughly fourteen months the game's been running.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 19, 2015, 02:00:45 PM
By comparison, how many FF1, FF2, and FF13 events have there been? I wager, not many.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 19, 2015, 02:42:54 PM
FF1, FF2 and FF3 are the most neglected of all. FF1 and 3 have one event each (FF3 being a collab event), FF2 had one collab and the Minwu event a couple weeks back. And none of the collabs have a chance in hell of showing up in Global due to licensing issues.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 19, 2015, 03:14:29 PM
Very empty day. Juggling between Ultima Weapon farming, white power + daily farming and bonus quests for Greater Growth Eggs. Ultima drops a Giant Adamantite sometimes as well, which is a waste of RNG.

EDIT: FOUR GREATER POWER ORBS IN A SINGLE RUN WTF
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 19, 2015, 09:52:38 PM
Finished Seifer regular event.  Fujin and Raijin were surprisingly difficult since I didn't bring mitigation.  Now I'm grinding the first event mission to try and get Squall's RM2 so I can get his RM3.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 19, 2015, 11:59:14 PM
I have fairly little emotional attachment to FF12, but I generally like more of its cast than most FFs. I think FFX might be the only FF game where I actually like all the playable PCs? FF6 and FF12 have the next highest ratio of likable:total PCs. I think FF4 has the lowest?

I'll do a full 11x pull on FF12 on my JP account just to see if I get a decent option for FF12 synergy. Balthier is sexy enough to warrant that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 20, 2015, 02:08:57 AM
Had to blow Mithril on Fuijin/Raijin and Seifer because those fights being after legitimately damaging randoms made them not really do-able in my builds. 

Then fought Fuijin/Raijin in classic story where they were beatable, except that I needed to S/L a lot since Rinoa started the fight with like 20% HP, so if EITHER of them targetted her (which they loved to do I should note) before Selphie gets Curaga off, it's a reset. 


I have determined I hate fighitng Fuijin/Raijin since all poor designs not related to gameplay occur there.  Their sprites are misleading in size such that you try to target them, you'll often get nothing; Fuijin just wouldn't get the targetting indicator until I hit the sprite at least 4 or 5 times and by then, lots of ATB time has gone by.  Adding to that, both have a bunch of battle quotes slowing the fight down, and Raijin has to go into a pose before EVERY SINGLE ACTION and the way he does it, he doesn't just pose and act, he poses, then you wait 2 seconds THEN he acts.  It's seriously a frustrating fight for reasons unrelated to actual difficulty, and I do not look forward to fighting them in Elite Story Mode for that reason...nor when Lunatic Pandora Story drops.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 20, 2015, 03:41:16 AM
Percentage-wise casts I like/have emotional attachment to... hmm.

I honestly think FFXII wins. I have nothing super negative to say about any of the cast. The most negative I have to say is "another character did it better" or "I wish you had more lines", and neither is particularly damning. The flispide is, there's only 6 people, so it's easier to like everyone than a game like FFVI which has 14.

FFVI Might win, but I'm not sure. I guess I don't really dislike any of the cast there, either. Maybe it gets an edge on sheer volume of characters, or my liking different characters much more as I age.

FFX has Lulu and sometimes Wakka for obnoxious. VIII has Irvine/Quistis/Squall. IV has Rosa and a lot of "eh" writing overall. IX has basically its whole cast. V has lolcharacterization. VII I'll withhold judgement on until the remake.

I'd say XII/VI > X >>> IV > VIII >>>>>>>> IX
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 20, 2015, 09:28:15 AM
Basch event on JP landed today. No character changes, Basch is Auron - (better Knight levels, but worse Samurai, no Support and worse overall stats especially due to no MC2). Bonus battles for Squall's MC2 also land tonight on Global.

In other news, I have three more Greater Holy Orbs and one Greater Dark Orb more than I had half an hour ago.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 20, 2015, 09:42:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqGoSjIfV08&t=59s
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 20, 2015, 09:52:47 AM
Friday is my ridiculously long commute to work so I decided to do a 3-pull on the ride for fun. Got Irvine's gun and an FF8 protectga hat for five stars! Sweet, but not the SSB weapon or the MT heal bracers I was hoping for. Feeling lucky, I did a pull on the FF5 banner and snagged Gilgamesh's katana, so now he, Sephiroth, Auron, and Cyan are going to see some more play. Also Gilgamesh rocks and you should all be jealous.

On the JP server, I did an 11 pull on FF12 because I like the FF12 cast and snagged Fran's SSB now, my first SSB weapon! Sweet and awesome all around!

And just so Grefter doesn't have to do it:

Quote from: Djinn
Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu
Get gud at RNG, noob
Ok.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 20, 2015, 05:14:10 PM
Friday is my ridiculously long commute to work so I decided to do just one fix (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wbXciBKcfQ8)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 20, 2015, 05:35:20 PM
Hmm I guess when you phrase it like that... You're not wrong. I should totally be saving all this fake currency for later!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 20, 2015, 06:56:54 PM
So, who else wants to join the "Gilgamesh is Awesome" club?

Been speeding through Classic for the most part with a few notable exceptions thanks to Gilgamesh existing to be awesome.

Picked up Ricard's MC.  Classic I went in underprepared since it was Classic, and got Mastery by the skin of my teeth against Belias.  Elite...  Well, I still lost three medals to the boss while bringing my A-team, but I was never in any danger of death.  Never even saw the Firaja that terrified me so much after being hit by it in Classic!

Next story stage up is Owzer's Mansion in FF6.  Am I getting anywhere close to caught up?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 20, 2015, 06:59:39 PM
That's DU11, so you're two updates away from being entirely caught up. OF COURSE, DU14 shows up somewhere next week, likely Sunday...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 20, 2015, 09:24:51 PM
Finished all FF4 Elite dungeons.  Let us never speak of them again.

I think the only dungeon I have left is FF6 Holy Dragon Elite, will be caught up after that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 21, 2015, 03:27:11 AM
Okay, so.

+ Rush was a joke.  Most threatening boss was Cerberus, with Brothers as a distant second.  Ifrit was a joke, and Diablos was contained by Tauntaliate.  Party was Y'shtola/Lenna/Gilgamesh/Squall/Seifer with a SG RW, and I didn't even need to use the second charge.

++ Fight caused me to S/L twice.  Once because a RW Angel Wing Bolt went to the wrong target, so I didn't kill the boss in time before it killed at one of my characters.  Second time it got a turn before I set up mitigation and killed Gilgamesh too fast.  Third time was like the first, but I remembered to manually target it. Y'shtola/Lenna/Gilgamesh/Squall/Rinoa party with a Rinoa Angel Wing Bolt RW.

+++ Fight was another joke to Master.  Y'shtola/Lenna/Gilgamesh/Squall/Seifer again with a Selphie Trabia's Light RW, with Seifer hanging out with Boost/Magic Lure.  I actually wonder if Magic Lure kind of breaks Edea's AI, since I popped that on Seifer, had Lenna cast Reflect on him...  Edea got like 15 turns.  12 of those turns were spent casting Maelstrom.  One was Blizzaga on Seifer that got reflected, and two were useless status spells.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 21, 2015, 06:25:55 AM
+++ Edea uses Maelstrom very frequently in general.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 21, 2015, 11:24:52 AM
Decided to play with my new Valiant Gun. Irvine + Valiant + FF8 synergy + Advance + Garnet's ATK buff SB (or Boost) + Armor Breakdown = 10 x 6000 damage to any of the bosses in the FF8 EX Boss Rush. Tossed Mako Might on him too so I managed to use this strategy on 3 out of 4 bosses. (Ifrit obviously didn't need it.)

Fenrir would be proud.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 21, 2015, 12:54:58 PM
FF8 bonus battles: in which I got mastery while hammered. None of the setups were particularly fancy (damage, mitigation, hitting weakness. Didn't bother with status besides Slow on Edea through Tempo Flurry), but it was functional. One S/L due to being slightly unlucky with Corona targetting, but otherwise no surprises.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 21, 2015, 11:57:32 PM
Mastered all Seifer event, and mastered all Elite dungeons in the game.  Now... now... what do I do now...

*puts down phone*

*goes outside*

*blinks in the sunlight*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 22, 2015, 12:39:46 AM
There'll be a Dungeon Update tonight. Have fun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 22, 2015, 01:10:31 AM
Fucking DeNa can't you give me one day off?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 22, 2015, 01:51:05 AM
+++ Edea uses Maelstrom very frequently in general.

Who does she think she is, merely an upgraded version of Sinspawn Ammes?



Been speeding through Classic as much as I'm able.  Enemies threw themselves on Gilgamesh's weapon some more and got me Red XIII's Memory Crystal.  Time of joy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 22, 2015, 04:19:36 AM
Farmed all day Friday and Saturday, got Power BD to R4 and Break Fever will potentially be R2 by next week or the week after (next week for sure if I can master Hojo). Got Zack up to 80 from 73 during Sundaily today, that should be enough of a boost to guarantee that I'll master Rufus in a bit. I'm also probably going to forgo Sundaily the rest of the day and clear out what's been released of the FF12 event. Almost every single farming day is now more important to me than levelling except Thursday, and I'm too busy that day this week to do anything but farm, so there you have it.

Tangentally related, someone did a long writeup of character rankings in JP on reddit recently, and came to the conclusion that Ramza and Gilgamesh were the best characters, and I am fine with that conclusion. It is nice having a support character that regularly hits the damage cap after de/buffs.

EDIT: Woo-hoo, Rufus mastered. Getting Zack to 80 made it a lot easier, since that boosted Air Strike from 4900 a hit to 5800 (2700 damage increase), and Rufus only got one Mako cannon off after SG wore off thanks to that. I think I could have won previously had I played riskier (Saved a Reraise SB for the middle of the fight, not refreshed SG until after it wore off), but meh that would have been a lot of S/Ls.

For Posterity:

Ramza (Power Break, Armor Break), damage RM
Zack (Indoor Spell, Drain Strike), damage RM
Terra (Dispel, Firaja), Dualcast
Mog (FEVAH, Curaja), Mako Powah
Aeris (Protectga, Curaga), SB gauge increases faster

Gonna do Hojo at some point tonight, not too concerned about beating him or trying for Mastery if it seems impossible though. Same basic setup as Rufus, except taking out Terra and putting in Gilgamesh for Come At Me Bro strats, almost solely for mitigation this time (The extra damage will be nice, but I'm not going to worry about putting on things like Double Hit for it).

EDIT3: Oooor he actually does have medal conditions, all of which require Terra in her same role as before. Mmm, not sure if having Tauntaliate or Zack's SB is more important, fortunately at 1 Stamina I can play around with both. I'll do the same setup as Rufus and see how that goes.

EDIT: Also, after reading up on some posts on Reddit, people are saying there's likely to be some sort of B/S/SB event around new year's, so I may even skip the FF12 banner altogether and just hoard mythril until that. We'll see, maybe it'll be worth doing a 3 pull.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 22, 2015, 10:22:05 AM
Been looking through the various characters that I have and if I have their MCs or not, and I don't have the following:

Red Mage (Giant of Babil Part 2 Elite)
Dragoon (Iifa Tree Elite)
Ranger (Lhusu Mines Elite)
Ninja (Mt. Gagazet Part 2 Elite)
Gladiator (Lunar Subterrane Part 2 Elite)
Warrior of Light (Alexandria Castle Part 3 Elite)
Firion (??? Why is he in the list if he doesn't have a MC out yet?)
Maria (Cultist's Tower Part 2 Elite)
Leon (Fifth Ark Part 3 Elite)
Gordon (Mysidian Tower Part 3 Elite)
Luneth (Saronia Catacombs Elite)
Arc (Highbridge Elite)
Refia (Via Purifico Maze Elite)
Edgar (EVENT ONLY)
Sabin (EVENT ONLY)
Sephiroth (EVENT ONLY)
Selphie (EVENT ONLY)
Steiner (Ultima Weapon Elite)
Eiko (EVENT ONLY)
Tidus (EVENT ONLY)
Wakka (EVENT ONLY)
Lightning (EVENT ONLY)


Of this list, Eiko's getting a MC release here on the 25th, and Wakka should be getting one with Lulu's event in a couple of weeks.  Therefore, the priority set in no particular order for the RoR event soon seems to look something like this:

Edgar
Sabin
Selphie
Sephiroth
Tidus
Lightning
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 22, 2015, 11:54:10 AM
Seph will be reissued again with a MC2 either before RoR or shortly after. Tidus and Lightning both will get reissues in January as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 22, 2015, 02:50:39 PM
Yeah global skipped the event with Firion's MC, so that is one you should definitely get during RoR because it's unlikely to come through events.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 22, 2015, 03:11:30 PM
Well, it will DEFINITELY come in the FF2 event six months from now!

Also, there'll likely be a Lucky Draw banner for Black Friday. Save those 25 Mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 22, 2015, 06:13:07 PM
Also, don't waste any resource on an FF2 PC. No synergy, also the worst game, and Firion also doesn't have a useful skillset mashup. Fuck him and fuck his game.

Almost beat Hojo before hanging out with people, now got really drunk, got Firaja to R5 (bye-bye R2 Meteo anytime soon), and now S/Ling until I beat the fucker. Seriously had him at 5% HP and then lost. It is happening, just... just gonna take me not sleeping at a normal time and also not making drunk mistakes. May not happen, though it should. Fuck you game let's do this. I WILL DESTROY YOU
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 22, 2015, 08:49:06 PM
Sundailying. FuSoYa's already at L40, Cloud is L72, Auron is L61, Lenna is L62 and Squall's L66. I also happened to unlock his RM3, which is among the many ways the game will hand us for boosting SB gauge gains. Also finally honed Power Breakdown to R3, mostly for portfolio diversity reasons. Anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 23, 2015, 03:35:07 AM
I was up until 6AM trying, but Hojo went down finally. Missed the mastery because the motherfucker just slaughtered all my  party at the end and a reraised Ramza with almost no HP dealt the final blow. Pretty sure that mastery is out of my reach solely because I don't have a native SG/SRS. Moves so overpowered that every fight is designed to make you need it. Gettin real sick of that shit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 23, 2015, 03:51:56 AM
I was up until 6AM trying,

god fucking dammit i hate you so much
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 23, 2015, 03:59:42 AM
I was up until 6AM trying,

god fucking dammit i hate you so much

Yep.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 23, 2015, 04:18:32 AM
eat a dick

my dick

thats what you should eat
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 23, 2015, 05:21:11 AM
eat a dick

my dick

thats what you should eat

Coolest story. You gonna start following me around and yelling about how you hate me every time I drink too much and wake up with a hangover now?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 23, 2015, 06:08:19 AM
Did not even attempt the Misfortune fights in the Vincent event. However, I -DID- clear all the EX fights up to that, meaning I now have my first MC2s and first 5* abilities after only playing JP version for a month, so that's a pretty cool milestone. Basically Come At Me Bro Gilgamesh is still the most ridiculously overpowered strategy in the game. Advance has been supplanted by Fenrir Drive thanks to Cloud Burst Mode ability being stupidly good.

Managed to beat Ultima Weapon with the same underleveled party thanks to Sentinel's Grimoire spam. Zenny is right to be angry about that shit. I have yet to play any version of this game without access to SG, so I have no idea what it's like.

I am so sad that the only PCs that can use my brand new 5-star ability are Mog, Penelo, and Tyro... >.>;;
Mog would be fine if I had his MCs and SB weapon like Zenny, but without that, he's useless so I'm gonna have to invest in Penelo as my White Mage now... Ugh. Literally the worst FF12 character but I need me some Full Break Dance access if I'm not using Tyro.

In Global, I am doing some grinding on the Sundaily to prepare for the last FF8 bonus fight and then the elite FF8 story dungeons. Still have tons of Elite story dungeons to finish off but there's no real rush I guess...

I am totally picking up Firion's MC during RoR because I don't think there's anything else for me to pick up...? I've gotten every MC that's ever been released, as I'm sure Snow and Cap have, so I'm not sure if there's anything else exciting there?

Also, Magic, as much as I love me some Figabros, they aren't really anything resembling a priority for cap-breaking except for completion's sake (or if you happen to have their SB weapons like I do... both of them, amusingly.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 23, 2015, 08:16:28 AM
eat a dick

my dick

thats what you should eat

Coolest story. You gonna start following me around and yelling about how you hate me every time I drink too much and wake up with a hangover now?

no but i don't stop and eat every third piece of dogshit i see on the way home either
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 23, 2015, 09:26:56 AM
eat a dick

my dick

thats what you should eat

Coolest story. You gonna start following me around and yelling about how you hate me every time I drink too much and wake up with a hangover now?

no but i don't stop and eat every third piece of dogshit i see on the way home either

k just wondering exactly how many ranks in Obnoxious Busybody you were planning on taking

seriously getting real sick of your shit dude.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 23, 2015, 10:51:01 AM
https://i.imgur.com/lOdzJqM.png

Story dungeon flowchart all the way up to DU14.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 23, 2015, 11:21:37 AM
eat a dick

my dick

thats what you should eat

Coolest story. You gonna start following me around and yelling about how you hate me every time I drink too much and wake up with a hangover now?

no but i don't stop and eat every third piece of dogshit i see on the way home either
bawwwwww somebody likes me thats not fair everyone should hate me because i shout at them bawwwww
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 23, 2015, 01:51:13 PM
Also, Magic, as much as I love me some Figabros, they aren't really anything resembling a priority for cap-breaking except for completion's sake (or if you happen to have their SB weapons like I do... both of them, amusingly.)

It is completionism's sake, honestly.  Unless there's somewhere else I can get the MCs in a reasonable frame of time, I might as well, right?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 23, 2015, 05:47:40 PM
DU14 Classics completed, with mostly little to say. I started mowing through the Elites as well: Cid Raines done so far, will likely finish FF13 dungeons just so I can keep more or less the same setup throughout. The fights throughout this update have little in the way of gimmicks, being mostly your typical ugly, but controllable slugfests.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: MC50 on November 24, 2015, 03:33:02 AM
Cleared the FF5 bonus battles a little bit ago, and the FF8 ones just that time.

Had some trouble with Necrophobe and didn't quite master it - Lenna died at the end. I don't have a lot of AOE, so I went with my R2 Ruinga and an R1 Carbuncle to get me past the barriers, then Protectga to help against Necrophobe.

Ran Luneth/Rydia/Bartz/Lenna/Eiko.

Had absolutely no trouble with the FF8 events - though my FF8 synergy is awesome. Blitz Sword/Sleipnir's Tail/Running Fire/Morning Star.

Went with Luneth/Squall/Rydia/Irvine/Selphie. Irvine and Selphie are still stuck at 50, but pulled their weight. Squall put Seifer to sleep, Selphie and Auto-Haste RM Rydia went to town with Diaga/Biora. Edea showed up, threw up Reflect, Rydia just defended the rest of the fight while Luneth's advanced Tempo Flurries did about 11k, Squall's armor breaks doing about 4K, and Irvine's breakdowns doing about 4K. Selphie healed.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 24, 2015, 03:58:00 AM
Having some trouble with the new FF13 dungeons, primarily because my FF13 synergy is really really bad.  Counting the free pumpkin and witch's hat, my FF13 5-stars number... two.

But on the upside, Pumpkin-throwing Bartz is very good.

(http://i.imgur.com/bHHMXKq.jpg)

I was going to skip the lucky draw to save mythril for Faris/Krile banner.  But I think I should pull on it for the off chance of getting something for one of my weaker realms.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 24, 2015, 09:22:35 AM
It's only 25 Mythril and you're guaranteed an extra 100+ Mythril along the next month. The SSB fest banners at base aren't too exciting either, so you won't -really- suffer from not drawing on those. The Faris/Krile banners are quite solid to boot, every non-Gilgamesh relic makes a return and the newcomer equips are good too.

Anyhow, black power day, so non-negotiable stop on dungeoneering. Yesterday, I mastered the FF9 and FF13 Elites. Bahamut is a pretty tense fight even when you're Stop-locking - you have to guarantee you have enough damage to put him down before the Doom timer runs out and that can be tricky when you're dealing with 270k HP. The FF9 battles were comparatively a complete breeze, especially mr. "I 3HKO Rydia before any sort of mitigation" Amarant.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 24, 2015, 11:24:16 AM
Elite Magic Master handled with Berserk + Drawtaliate Tyro (would've been Gilgamesh, but I figure I should work on getting Tyro ready for his MC2 during RoR).

MC that'll gather dust for a while obtained.  Not sure whether to grind Tuesdaily or Dungeon smash.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 24, 2015, 11:49:51 AM
So far today on black power Tuesdaily: the game handed me four Greater Blacks, a Major Black and a Major Power. If I somehow land a Major Lightning before the end of the week, I'll be able to hone Full Break to R2 as soon as I finish the upcoming Zidane event. If not, I'll definitely pull it off by the end of Lulu's. Good times.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 24, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
Just saving mithril for one of these special events.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 24, 2015, 02:24:46 PM
Got 3 major orbs over the last two days, unfortunately they weren't the ones I was hoping to replenish (2 MEOs, 1 MSO), especially since this week's Doom battle seems to be another MT battle. I'll just take solace in the fact that I probably still would have needed a lot more MNeOs to get R2 meteor any move on. Skipping Wednesday farming to progress in the event, ideally I'll beat the Doom boss that day as well to prevent another repeat of last Sunday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 24, 2015, 02:47:08 PM
From what I understand, killing Cidolfus' Rooks actually makes the battle -harder-, since it unlocks his nasty as hell MT attack and he has no qualms about using it once it does. The only video I saw that killed them was labeled as "Hard mode", and honestly that had a reason. You'll want a decently honed Banish Raid, though, since it both dispels those obnoxious buffs and hits weakness on him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 24, 2015, 03:07:27 PM
Eh, I need way more GNeOs for Banish Blade to be useful. Will have to look into the fight more obviously, but I have a feeling Dispel and other attacks will be my better option.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 24, 2015, 05:41:22 PM
Well, you'll have to pack Vanish Raid specifically for target scores anyway (it's one of the mastery reqs). Sounds like you'll end up bringing both abilities.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 25, 2015, 12:17:29 AM
Total black power tally so far for today: 6 GPOs, 8 GBOs, 1 MPO and 1 MBO. I can't complain.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 25, 2015, 12:20:52 AM
Well, you'll have to pack Vanish Raid specifically for target scores anyway (it's one of the mastery reqs). Sounds like you'll end up bringing both abilities.

Meh. They could have at least tossed some GNeOs my way if they were gonna do that. Looks like that fight gets put off til after Saturday anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 25, 2015, 05:19:19 AM
Beat up through the EX+++ battle. Hey look at that, a battle where SG/SRS ISN'T the RW of choice! Two of Lightning's SSBs almost wipe out the adds, then it's just whittling Mateus down and surviving the dualcast he uses at half HP. Standard A-Team party, and pretty easy once you get past the first phase of resetting (everyone ganging up on one party member can easily kill them without SG/SRS) you're basically home free. I mostly liked the battle because the answer was not SG/SRS.

Next battle is looking pretty tough for mastery. I have to use Confuse Shot AND Blind Shot, and my highest levelled Engineer is... Edgar. Honestly I may just pump Balthier full of eggs for the synergy bonus. For the record, Snow, this was actually the battle I was talking about--3 adds with 45k HP each, R2 Meteo would be an excellent asset here.

Gonna have to play around with this, I think. Really hate those reqs, Ramza + 4 mages seems ideal and I don't have a good weapon for Balthier, but the mastery reward is 4 Major Black Orbs so it's not like I'm not gonna try. In any case, I think I'm done with the game for today, so I'll blow the rest of my stamina farming and come back when I feel like it.

EDIT: Stopped being done. I tried a 15 mythril gacha to get Balthier's gun and got a Shellga common SB armor instead.  OK, I think I can work with that.

Setup:

Gilgamesh (R3 Banish Raid, Flaming Weeaboo), Start: Sap Damage Up
Ramza (R4Magic BD, R4Indoor Spell), Actions->Boosted SB gauge
Valfreya (R2Blind Gun, R1Confusey Pew-pew), Shellga SB
Mog (GOTTA FEVAH, Curaja), Mako Wish Foundation
Aeris (R3 Valefor, Curaga) Dualcast Summon
SG RW

Zack's taking the bench because skill MT>SB MT in this fight, and I don't have the resources to get the one MT skill he has access to. I'm assuming about 5000-6000 damage per Flaming Weeaboo post Sun-bath, which is 30000-36000 damage to the adds, running just shy of their 45k HP mark, so Aeris running dualcast Valefor is there to pick up the slack. Banish raid is there to cancel out Shell/Protect if the judges decided to be dicks about it. Running a bit risky not having Shellga up at the start, but with SG, Magic BD, and Break Fever all up during the first phase I should be fine. Then, I suspect it should be a matter of keeping up mitigation and praying I slam through his doublecasting phase before I run out of SG. I'll probably run the risk of resetting during Beruga's weak phase so I make sure to have it during the very weak phase. By the time he's in Weak, Ramza should have built up a good number of Throw Stones so that shouldn't be too long, and the stun should keep Beruga from getting too many turns during that time anyway. Ideally, anyway.

I could only get him to 60 off of my egg supply, so Balthier is there solely to get Reqs. Fortunately his equipment selection ain't bad so he'll do OK damage, but the last half of the fight will probably see him just defending so he doesn't die.

RIP my Greater NE Orb supply. Saturday farming may see some mythrils being spent on stamina recovery.

EDIT2: Beaten, Mastered. Allllll right. Only one use of stamina. Had three S/Ls, one because I popped my second SG too early (his speed gets ridiculous in his weak state, so even though the skill is in fact doublecast Aeraga/Wateraga, in practice it's more like Quadcast... and so I lost with a sliver of health left on the boss. Bluh, bluh, huge judge), then two because the first phase of the fight is kinda RNG-y. Getting at least one Dualcast Valefor off helped immensely. Phase 2 was kinda easy even without SG, actually, he favored his weaker MT over his dualcasts. Phase 3, as I already indicated, is absolutely insane, and even with SG is kinda scary.

Anyway, yet another fight that reinforces how mandatory SG is and how they basically have to design every boss around it as an RW. I think I'm just gonna hoard mythril from now on until the next time Sentinel's Grimiore comes up for lottery, perhaps around New Year's. There's a White Mage lucky draw that I'm tempted by but even at half mythril price it just doesn't even compare.  I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they didn't put it up for grabs again, though. It's so stupidly overpowered even being forced to use Shitforbrats isn't enough to balance it.

EDIT3: Dr. Cid Notes

Gilgy (Banish Raid, Saint's Cross)
Ramza (Power, Armor BD)
Aeris (Protectga, Diaga), Weakness 1.2x
Mog (Break FEVAH, Curaga), Mako Wish foundation
Yuna (Alexander, Curaja), Dualcast Summon
SG. Obvi.

Banish Raid  deal 9999 per hit, B.R. after Mog buff. 7600 with protect up. 7000 with no buff and no protect.

Diaga deals 8400 without buffs up. 6000 with shell up. Would that I had dualcast White. Actually I should look into getting that for this fight.

Saint's Cross deals 9999x2 if no buffs are up on Cid and Mog's buff is up.
Saint's Cross deals 6800x2 if no buffs are up on Cid and Mog's buff is down.

Alexander deals 5k if Shell is down.

Post Armor BD and buff, Ramza deals 4400 with either skill assuming no buffs are up.
Throw stone deals 1333x6=7998

With Regen up, Cid regenerates 9800 HP a tick. Curaga from the adds heals 3400.

---

Clearly, I need both Dispel and Banish raid. I got him to half health with no charges of Banish raid left and then he got regened and it was GG. Saint's Cross is good but at only two charges isn't a great option. I didn't put Zack in initially because I didn't want to mess with the adds, but their HP is high enough that having his SB is going to be better than not having his SB.

Gilgy (Come At Me Bro), Protectga SB
Ramza (Power BD, Banish Raid)
Zack (Indoor spell, Drain Strike)
Mog (Dispel, Curaja)
Aeris (Diaga, Curaga)

seems to be the next best step. Most attacks are physical, so this may get me over the hump.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 25, 2015, 10:28:09 AM
Decided Dungeon Brazing was more important that Tuesdaily grinding for now.

Things I did:
Beat Elite Lunar Subterranean Part 3.  I don't really get why everyone else seemed to be having such a problem with this fight.
Beat Elite Phoenix Cave.  Runic kinda...  Just completely neutered the boss.  Thanks Scar.
Beat Classic Ultima Weapon.  That's just a record of dungeon progress.  Now I'm into DU14 dungeons!

...Don't really remember much else of what I did.  It's been a pretty hazy day.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 25, 2015, 11:46:49 AM
Quote from: Zenny
Anyway, yet another fight that reinforces how mandatory SG is and how they basically have to design every boss around it as an RW. I think I'm just gonna hoard mythril from now on until the next time Sentinel's Grimiore comes up for lottery, perhaps around New Year's. There's a White Mage lucky draw that I'm tempted by but even at half mythril price it just doesn't even compare.  I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they didn't put it up for grabs again, though. It's so stupidly overpowered even being forced to use Shitforbrats isn't enough to balance it.

That draw also includes Thyrus, Y'shtola's Stoneskin II staff. The odds are clearly worse, but hey, Wall SB and Y'shtola has better non-HP/Defense stats than Loserface even stuck at L65. Also, there hasn't been a single Soul Break Fest where there wasn't a Sentinel's Grimoire banner to date. They -know- that relic rakes in the monies and it always comes back.

Tangentially, Gamasutra published a DeNa press release officially stating the Lucky Draw banner for Black Friday, which will also come with... free 25 Mythril. WELP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 25, 2015, 01:13:37 PM
Mmph. I see.

Well, I suppose tomorrow will be dungeon farming for mythril then. Even though Y'shtola fulfills a niche I already have crammed up my butthole, Stonera Skin is just that good so I'll spin the wheel on the chance of it. Though really, even with worse stats, Shitbrat would be a better option just because he can fulfill those stupid Doom and Doom+ medal requirements for skills used without having to sacrifice my useful characters' skillsets/swap out to do so.

Also, now that you mention it, of course they designed Sentinel's Grimiore like that. FTP games, man. Poor design decisions in order to generate funds and this is a good business model. I guess I can't fault them because the game is still playable (and, for the most part, very winnable) without it, and really this is one of the LEAST predatory things DeNA does with the game to get money, but I don't have to like it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 25, 2015, 01:31:39 PM
Mmph. I see.

Well, I suppose tomorrow will be dungeon farming for mythril then. Even though Y'shtola fulfills a niche I already have crammed up my butthole, Stonera Skin is just that good so I'll spin the wheel on the chance of it. Though really, even with worse stats, Shitbrat would be a better option just because he can fulfill those stupid Doom and Doom+ medal requirements for skills used without having to sacrifice my useful characters' skillsets/swap out to do so.

Also, now that you mention it, of course they designed Sentinel's Grimiore like that. FTP games, man. Poor design decisions in order to generate funds and this is a good business model. I guess I can't fault them because the game is still playable (and, for the most part, very winnable) without it, and really this is one of the LEAST predatory things DeNA does with the game to get money, but I don't have to like it.

I don't disagree. Power creep, man. Tangentially, -one- other thing that would help you immensely (though not replacing SG) would be grabbing a Hastega+buff SB, of which there are quite a few in the WM discount banner. There's a whole SB trinity going for being able to keep on top of the highest end battles: Wall relic, Hastega buff relic and AoE healing relic (of which you have the last). One of them at least is pretty much mandatory -in your party- if you want to reliably, sanely clear Calamity/Doom fights. I kept looking at your accounts on the Judge Bergan fight and thinking "yeah, that sounds utterly nuts without something like Boon".
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 25, 2015, 02:06:24 PM
Mmph. I see.

Well, I suppose tomorrow will be dungeon farming for mythril then. Even though Y'shtola fulfills a niche I already have crammed up my butthole, Stonera Skin is just that good so I'll spin the wheel on the chance of it. Though really, even with worse stats, Shitbrat would be a better option just because he can fulfill those stupid Doom and Doom+ medal requirements for skills used without having to sacrifice my useful characters' skillsets/swap out to do so.

Also, now that you mention it, of course they designed Sentinel's Grimiore like that. FTP games, man. Poor design decisions in order to generate funds and this is a good business model. I guess I can't fault them because the game is still playable (and, for the most part, very winnable) without it, and really this is one of the LEAST predatory things DeNA does with the game to get money, but I don't have to like it.

I don't disagree. Power creep, man. Tangentially, -one- other thing that would help you immensely (though not replacing SG) would be grabbing a Hastega+buff SB, of which there are quite a few in the WM discount banner. There's a whole SB trinity going for being able to keep on top of the highest end battles: Wall relic, Hastega buff relic and AoE healing relic (of which you have the last). One of them at least is pretty much mandatory -in your party- if you want to reliably, sanely clear Calamity/Doom fights. I kept looking at your accounts on the Judge Bergan fight and thinking "yeah, that sounds utterly nuts without something like Boon".

Yeah, that's a pretty good summary of the necessary SBs, though I would add in damage boosting to that Triangle to make a Quadrangle (also known as a... SQUARE. dun dun dunnnnn!). You basically need two of the four natively to have a chance, then need one of the last as your RW. Damage boosting, however, can be covered by skills, while the other three really can't. Heck, Protect/Shellga is basically useless comparative to SGSRS.

That said, I would bet that you can do with 3 of the 4 to consistently do 凶/凶+ battles even if you didn't have the last as a RW. Like, I imagine that with damage boosting, Hastega, AND MT Healing I would be less fixated on how badly I need SGSRS. Likewise, if you have SGSRS, damage boosting, and Hastega, you probably don't need MT healing all that badly. So it's not a perfect square, more like a big fuckoff trapezoid where the SGSRS and MT Heal angles are hella obtuse and the damage/hastega angles are pretty dang acute.

Or something. I think I just said I thought Ramza Screaming on my dick is a cute thing and that isn't quite wrong but neither is is correct. Or proper. 

Anyway, to your last point, post Orbfest 2 dailies, and actively playing through 90% of the Orbfest 2 help a lot. I keep reading y'alls takes on the Global +++ fights and going "yeah I could probably take that EZ PZ" and then I realize that if I started playing Global at the time I started playing JP before quitting the first time I'd probably just now be beating my first couple of +++ fights just due to how much progression has accelerated even discounting how much B/S/SBs have powercrept somethin fierce 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 25, 2015, 03:02:23 PM
Ff9 event coming.

Ff8 event beat.

So....

I needed steiners crystal, so I tried ultima.

134 difficulty is the highest story dungeon I've challenged yet.

Beat it 1st try.

So now I'm just clearing the 3 other ff7 stages since I have my insanely strong ff7 team assembled.

Good times.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 25, 2015, 03:26:03 PM
Anyway, to your last point, post Orbfest 2 dailies, and actively playing through 90% of the Orbfest 2 help a lot. I keep reading y'alls takes on the Global +++ fights and going "yeah I could probably take that EZ PZ" and then I realize that if I started playing Global at the time I started playing JP before quitting the first time I'd probably just now be beating my first couple of +++ fights just due to how much progression has accelerated even discounting how much B/S/SBs have powercrept somethin fierce 

It kiiiiiiiiiinda depends on how you take the whole thing. For starters, the vast foreknowledge lore available eases up one hell of a lot on planning and directives when trudging through the game. I've been no-Mythril mastering full events since Yuna's release (with the exception of the Figabros. boss rush, which ate a Mythril refresh, and the physical-side of Tifa's reissue event, which I just didn't have enough physical damage to master with only two medals to lose on the fight) and I started roughly at the same time you did. We've had +++ fights since early September, ++s since July. I dunno how lucky I was, since I only had Lunatic High for the longest time (and used it rather sparingly due to Red XIII being stuck at L50 for nearly four months) and I still only have Boon in addition to the mitigation relics. The difficulty curve honestly hasn't had a considerable spike for a long time, considering +++s aren't a very large jump from ++s in practice. Calamity sounds like the big breakthrough for that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 25, 2015, 05:01:10 PM
Speaking of which, I almost forgot I still hadn't finished the elites on this update, picked up a couple Greater Lightning and Wind Orbs from Wednesdaily in the early morning and only then went for the elites. Only two FF8 dungeons left.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 26, 2015, 11:51:11 AM
JP will get a FF5 collab event with some mobile SRPG that includes Faris' MC2. Well, crap, more stuff we'll have no idea Global will ever get in any way.

Tangentially, nearly done with Zidane event. Only two more dungeons to go. Cap-broke Zidane because yes another Auto-Haste RM. Amarant will wait until a Sundaily.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 26, 2015, 11:56:31 AM
I just recently realized something amazing: I have over 200 Mithril.

Now I'm wondering if I should save it for the next festival, or spend some of it on one/both of the current FF9 banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 26, 2015, 12:04:04 PM
As always, depends on what you need. I have 100 out of my current 198 Mythril slotted for Zidane/Amarant banner 2 on Saturday, since it's mage heaven and I'd really like AoE healing, but there's the (essentially) free Black Friday Lucky Draw tomorrow, which could give me something I want. I'll see how it goes. Saving up for RoR is an idea, but we don't know how the banners will effectively pan out yet, since DeNa always shuffles the SB fest banners around.

EDIT: Done with Zidane event. Drawtaliate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amarant. Also currently sitting on 200 Mythril. No idea what will I do for the rest of the day, maybe I'll just farm Greater Blacks on Ultima Weapon or Greater Ices on Elite Besaid.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 27, 2015, 02:34:51 AM
Got Zidane's sword and Amarant's Claws (and also the Power Sash and Cat Claws, 4x 5-stars!) on an 11-pull. Neat. Not the MT healing I was hoping for, but I'll take it. Planning one more 11-pull for the second half of this banner for some more Mage weapon chances. I'm glad to hear that there's 25 mythril coming with the lucky draw, cause I don't feel like rushing the rest of the Dungeon updates yet.

Cap-broke Zidane and working on Amarant, because hey, got their relics. And I actually like Zidane, unlike literally everyone else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 27, 2015, 09:10:19 AM
Japanese Lucky Draw: Aerith's Reraise stick!
Global Lucky Draw: Bartz's Wind Knife!

Well now I'm set for FF5 synergy! Gilgy's katana and a generic 5-star stick really helped out. Also set for FF9 synergy now. My FF4 synergy is good for mages but weak physically. FF6 is set thanks to all the four star equips I kept getting there. FF12 is similar plus I have Balthier's gun. FF8 I have a bunch of generic five stars plus Irvine's gun. FFX and FF7 I have a good mix of upgraded four stars plus nat-5 character relics. Probably my weakest synergy realm is 13 where I've got tons of armor but only the Keepsake knife for weapons. Also FF1-3 but I'm not sure there's ever been an opportunity (or much need) for drawing for synergy there. It would be nice to have a FF4 melee weapon for Black Power day and an FF3 synergy weapon for Thursday grindanz. Saving up for the RoR at this point I suppose.

Hope you all get good Lucky Draws like a Tyrfing or something!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 27, 2015, 10:13:27 AM
Black Friday Lucky Draw.

Hoping for something good!...

...Got nothing.  Well, I guess they can't all be winners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 27, 2015, 01:05:33 PM
Oh cool, JP just got an update. Rinoa now has higher magic and 5-star Summons. Fuckin' finally. Of all the casts to not have a Summoner, FF8 seems like an odd choice. I mean, I guess FF9 and 10 had PCs that were iconic as Summoners, but FF8, 6, and 13 were pretty big on the whole Summon thing for every character. I was kinda hoping at least -one- of those casts would all get at least 1* (or higher) summons just for flavor.

And I'm still mildly annoyed that Hope has Summoning but not a high enough level to use Alexander...

Oh, and Squall finally got Spellblade 5*. And Edea's getting in as a PC, using magic chakrams too. That's kinda neat. I wonder if she'll have some sort of Ultimecia-based SB, just so we can get the whole Dissidia cast in here. (Come on FF3 Onion Knight and Cloud of Darkness, I don't know WHY I want you both in RK so badly, but I do.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 27, 2015, 01:07:12 PM
Lucky Draw: nada. I just hope this isn't a foreshadowing of my planned draws on Zidane's second banner and Lulu's first.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 27, 2015, 01:45:24 PM
Lucky Draw:  Snow's Paladin Fist, DKCecil's armor, four 4-stars.  Not characters I care about, but these are the two realms I had weakest synergy in so this was actually helpful.  Game still taunting me by giving me fists that aren't Galuf's.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 27, 2015, 02:30:13 PM
On less depressing news, I honed Drainga to R3. Now I have five magical R4s at usable levels (physical, I also have five, but three of them are breakdowns. Come oooooon, Shadow event, I want R2 Full Break).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magetastica on November 27, 2015, 03:41:54 PM
Black Friday Lucky Draw: I got all of your luck. I went in expecting nothing, and came out with Barret's Gun-Arm, Kain's Blood Lance, and Tifa's Crystal Glove.

Not exactly the best gear possible, but good enough for me. And it certainly makes them all usable now, at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on November 27, 2015, 04:11:52 PM
4 4*s and 7 3*s from Lucky Draw, sigh. At least the 4*s were all useful items.

In sillier RK news, the lucky few will soon be able to make Cloud (or almost every other male in the game save some mages, for that matter) don Rinoa's party dress:

(http://i.imgur.com/juo1GOT.png)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 27, 2015, 05:04:37 PM
Hot balls of fury. I got sentinels grimore and squalls revolver.

Score.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 27, 2015, 05:25:56 PM
That is a pretty awesome score!

So which ones are you gonna use for your RW?

Also, super-jealous of Cap for that Paladin Fist... I want a reason to use Snow, game... :(
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 27, 2015, 08:02:30 PM
Lucky Draw got me another 3* FF7 Rune Armlet (this is actually handy since I could make a + variant, good for synergy), another 4* FF7 Crystal Bangle, an FF12 Platinum Dagger, Squall's Shear Trigger, Rinoa's Rising Sun, and Yuna's Lullaby Rod.  Go figure, I get *2* 5* FF8 weapons right after the FF8 event, and the game wants me to use Rinoa more as my mage, hate!

At least I finally now have a 5* Rod for all the Mages who can't use Staves as well (I had Garnet's Storm Staff for a while, so Vivi is happy)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 27, 2015, 08:59:27 PM
Also, super-jealous of Cap for that Paladin Fist... I want a reason to use Snow, game... :(

Your tears are my sustenance.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: MC50 on November 28, 2015, 12:06:59 AM
Got Leon's Golden Armor. Guess I'm going to lean more towards physical, with that and Luneth's Advance. Though I will need to get his crystal - not looking forward to that.

Not sure who should make up the rest of the team - Thinking Bartz with steal power, a white mage, and... Steiner? Locke, when I get him? I have both their relics. Maybe someone who can use breakdowns. Have to experiment, I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 28, 2015, 12:44:28 AM
What characters do you have access to?  either have recruited now or can still recruit through quests, story, etc.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: MC50 on November 28, 2015, 01:24:18 AM
Started playing at the Eiko event a few months back, so pretty much everyone from that point on. I think I'm only missing a handful of characters, but there's quite a few crystals I don't have. The only story characters I'm missing are Cid and Devout, so I'm only a bit behind there (just got Fusoya)

Things have been generally going pretty good, though I did have a lot of trouble with the difficulty 99 Amarant in this event - more trouble then I've had with some of the + or higher difficulty missions lately. I've only started doing past 99 with the... Setzer event? I've been trying to clear all three +'s, though I don't always master them - and if it's really hard (Not looking forward to this one) I won't bother.

Eiko is usually who I use for my WM for Mass Shell. Sometimes I swap out for synergy, though. Rydia has usually been my BM - I have an 8 use Waterja from Orbfest (though no other Ja spells) but I'm wondering if I should even run one at this point? Worth experimenting with.

Basically - take Luneth pretty much everywhere for 10K Tempo Flurries. The rest of the team is swappable depending on realm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 28, 2015, 01:56:00 AM
Do you have a 5* mage weapon? If you do, a mage is always worth bringing. For Amarant, you could have used Gilgamesh with Draw Fire + Retaliate, which completely shuts him down. In fact, Gilgy in general makes a great defensive physical fighter due to that combo and his equipment versatility makes him amazing at donning offensive synergy too. Locke will be good for you once you get him, since Steal Power + 4* ability makes for a very good bitchslap. A lot of party composition depends on your relics and most of it almost always depends on what you need for a -particular- fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 28, 2015, 02:06:08 PM
Last Saturday was awful for Greater Orb farming - I got like one Greater Ice and two Greater NEs. Just this morning, I got three GNEOs and two GIOs. RNG will be RNG.

EDIT: Seven GIOs in a day!? Okay, suddenly getting Blizzaja to R4 before Calamity Exdeath reached the realm of -very- doable even though I'm fresh out of Greater Black Orbs due to R3 Drainga. Until Faris/Krile event, not including dungeon updates and the event itself, the game'll hand me 21 Greater Blacks. Getting nine more GBOs in between that time should be downright -trivial-, I can pick around four or five a day even outside Tuesdaily due to Ultima Weapon 1 farming. I'm at 35 Greater Ice Orbs now and Shadow's event will give me another 7. The remaining 3 should be covered by another Saturdaily or, worst comes to worst, Besaid Elite farming. This can happen, guys. So can happen.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 29, 2015, 01:25:54 AM
Zidane's bonus battles are out and, with it, one of the banners I've been expecting the most! I had two 50-mythril pulls planned for it and badly, badly wanted the Golem's Flute due to my lack of MT healing, even though it's very limited as a weapon (basically nobody can use instruments and all). So, first try only brought me one 5-star, buuuuuuuuut...

(http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af83/Jo_ou_Ranbu/GNfTfz0.png)

I'm saving the extra 50 mythril for Lulu's hairpin banner.

EDIT: Did a three-pull because I actually can and got ANOTHER Golem's Flute. I can't even Eiko for eternal Godlike in my team
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 29, 2015, 02:53:53 AM
You can start a band with this guy:

http://imgur.com/HS0RvXt
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 29, 2015, 03:00:38 AM
If there was a "Like" button in these forums, I would've jammed it on that post.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 29, 2015, 04:30:49 AM
I am very good at this video game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 29, 2015, 05:28:07 AM
WM Lucky draw led to Minwu's robe. 3x NE damage + MT healing. Better than nothing, but Minwu's also locked at L65 + FF2 sucks so it probably won't see much use.  More importantly, it brought in another FF4 White Robe, giving me another 4* ++ armor. Neat.

Been busy all week since my last post so only farmed, decided to skip Sundaily to do Deep Dungeon stuff since it re-opened. The rewards here are pretty good, I'm now only 3 MBOs and 8 (sigh) MNeOs to R2 meteor. If I can beat Dr. Cid in the Basch event that'll net me the last MBOs, so I'll probably try my hand at that later today after I finish up this presentation I have to get ready by next week. Also actually have to beat the boss that imparts the Soul of Ultima so I can maybe craft that eventually (still pretty far away, though after this dungeon dive I do in fact have enough 6* Fire Crystals to meet the reqs. Still need like 8 6* Black Crystals though so that won't be happening for a while.

The WM 6* spell (Reraise) and associated dungeons also opened up this month, so I went through them for the MHOs the bosses impart bringing me pretty close to R2 Break Fever. May not bother worrying about the Reraise boss for now, though, since I already have that skill on Aerith. Probably will try to beat the Combat 6* Skill boss though before the dungeon shuts down again in a couple weeks, since why not.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 29, 2015, 05:33:36 AM
Sweet. Did my pull on The Mage Banner to end all Mage banners. Got Golem Flute and two Storm Staffs. Holy shit. Then I did my dollar pull and got Steiner's fucking sword. What the hell FF9?

I guess I'm good for Relics forever now... Got all of Hastega, MT healing, MT High Regen, SG, plus a host of decent burst damage SBs.

I wanna pull for Yuna and Lulu but not sure it's worth it?

Save it all for RoR or pull for one of my favorites? My FFX synergy is pretty good. Got Tidus sword, a fake 5* sword, Wakka's blitz ball, plus some decent armors. No Mage weapons but that just means I know how to build my FFX teams.

Quick update for my own reference:
Natural 5*: Regal Gown VI, Genji Helm V (x2), Gold Bangle XIII (x4), Rising Sun VI, Genji Shield IV, Sentinel's Grimoire (x3), Zantetsuken VI (x2), Brotherhood X, Emerald Shield X (x2), Balamb Garden Uniform VIII, Diamond Sword IX, Diamond Armor IV, Golden Armor XII (x2),  Keepsake Knife XIII, Blitz Sword VIII, Ras Algethi XII, Wind Spear IV, Betrayal Sword VIII, Dragon Gloves IV, Yoshimitsu XIV, Golden Shield VI, Aurora Rod VII, Gungnir XII, Partisan VI, Mirage Vest VI, Kaiser Knuckles VI, Storm Staff IX (x3), Official Ball X, Gatling Gun VII (x2), Ninja Chainmail XIV, Diamond Pin VII, Polymorph Rod IV, Keepsake Ribbon VII, Gold Sword VII, Evil Lantern XIII, Witch's Hat XIII, Purge Robe XIII, Oath Veil VI, Diamond Plate V, Gold Hairpin IV, Valiant VIII, Blitz Helm VIII, Kotetsu V, Judgment Staff V, Butterfly Sword IX, Cat's Claws IX, Scissor Fangs IX, Power Sash IX, Air Knife V, Defender IX, Golem Flute IX
Total 64
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 29, 2015, 05:38:10 AM
RoR has Tidus' SSB. Done.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 29, 2015, 08:42:27 AM
Cid Beaten! Annnnnnd I missed mastery because I forgot I needed to lower his attack as one of the pre-reqs. Siiiiiiigh.

Setup was

Zack (R5 Dual Delay, R5 Double Hit), Haste RM
Ramza (R4 Indoor Spell, R3 Banish Raid), Attack->SB Gauge Up
Gilgamesh (R5 Come At Me Bro), Start: Sap, Damage Up RM
Mog (R3 Reflect, R5 Curaja), Power of Mako
Aeris (R3 Shellga, R4 Curaga), Double Hit RM
SG RW

The key was to chain Banish Raid and Reflect to go off one right after the other. Reflecting Cid means the drones stop buffing / healing Cid, and then they only use Drain (obnoxious but not threatening with mitigation) and physicals (free damage!). I barely won with this setup, and by the end I was out of charges. Fortunately, Banish Raid only deals slightly less damage than one of Ramza's Throw Stones, and after my Deep Dungeon runs I have the mats to get Banish Raid to R4. Should be able to get mastery after honing Banish Raid and Reflect once more. I'm tempted to try using a Scream RW for the mastery run (With this strat, Sun Bath isn't recharged until about two turns after the attack buff wears off the first time, leaving a really obnoxious hole in my offense) since Cid's damage is either soaked up by Come At Me Bro or ignores mitigation anyway, but the drones' drain is really obnoxious unmitigated. :(

As a side note for y'all when this comes up in Global, ESPECIALLY if you have native SG/SRS and/or MT Healing, I'd actually recommend going kill-the-drones route. Tomahawk 65 is scary unmitigated, but it CAN be mitigated, and once it is it's not all that scary (Mako Cannon was way worse). Cid's REALLY scary move is CT15, which is 2000-2500 ITD damage, and he uses it all the bloody time regardless of if the drones are up or not. Drain + CT15 can kill a character instantly if you get bad RNG, but Tomahawk + CT15 can't, and if you get picked off by two CT15s in a row it's your own fault for not healing up before he gets the next one off (he's not noticably faster than your party, unlike, say, Hojo or even Rufus).

EDIT: Minor tweaking netted me a lot more damage both on Ramza and Gilgamesh, and I got a lot better RNG (more CT15s on Mog and Aeris so their SBs recharged faster, less drain attacks in general) so I got mastery with ease this time. I now have enough Major Black Orbs for R2 Meteo, just need my Major NE Orb supply to catch up now.

The collab event looks like it goes on until the 14th, and I don't have anything I really really want in the Deep Dungeon, so I guess I'm gonna try to get Agrias/Relm/Shitbrat levelled with the rest of my stamina today. Debating adding Tidus into that mix as well, since he has another Action->SB Gauge up RM. 

EDIT2: Procrastination intensifies.

So I wanted to just kinda keep track of what games are getting events by tallying up how many there have been since I started, and so I have some idea of what equipment to get rid of

FF1: 1, the only one ever
FF2: 1, the only one ever
FF3: 0
FF4: 0
FF5: 2, including the current collab
FF6: 2
FF7: 2
FF8: 3, including Seifer's that was going on when I first played
FF9: 2, including the one going on when I first played
FFX: 2
FF11: One is planned for January apparently
FF12: 1
FF13: 0
FF14: 0

Seems like a pretty even spread between 5-10, meaning I should try to fill holes in my 5, 8, 9, and 10 synergy the most. Pretty confident I can sell all of my non-upgraded 4* and lower 1-4 equipment, and I may be able to do the same with 13's. I'll probably hang onto my FF3-4 equipment for a bit as well, since they haven't had events yet so it's only a matter of time. But considering in the game's lifespan 1 and 2 have only had one event, and both events were held while I was playing the game, I don't imagine I'll need to hang on to shit from those games just for the sake of synergy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 29, 2015, 09:55:48 AM
Spent 100 Mithril.

Got one 5*.

It was Eiko's Golem Flute.

Is that good?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 29, 2015, 12:49:58 PM
That's just the star of the banner and the main reason I had so much Mythril stashed for it. The flute makes Eiko a god-tier white mage in the meta for months to come. Of course, given the reports on this topic...

(http://i996.photobucket.com/albums/af83/Jo_ou_Ranbu/uwl75.jpg)

Anyhow, I'm reconsidering my future pulls. Deciding to only do a 3-pull on each of Lulu's banner's and then saving the rest for RoR instead of spending 100. That should leave me with over 200 Myth to spend on those RoR banners, which would mean more chances for SSB weapons. Now that I no longer -need- an AoE healing relic, I can plan things more leisurely. If I ever get a SG/SSII and a SSB weapon, I'll have the game literally won for the foreseeable future.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 29, 2015, 02:24:15 PM
I had aoe healing before it was cool.

(http://i.imgur.com/Goay7Um.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 29, 2015, 03:28:56 PM
It's time to form a Flute band. Hipster-Selphie can be our front-man.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 29, 2015, 04:37:08 PM
And she has the chops for frontlining, too.

https://ffrk-movie.static.sp.mbga.jp/soul_strike/10800500/20151009_o-6g4OBOIF8.mp4
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 29, 2015, 05:38:39 PM
Breakdancing Selphie T. headlining for the Madain Sari Flautist Orchestra. Someone make terrible MS Paint fanart of that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 29, 2015, 11:14:48 PM
In news nobody cares about: cap-broke Amarant. Now, to never touch him again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 29, 2015, 11:52:14 PM
Flipside: I got his Relic and holy shit that synergizes well with Red XIII's Lunatic High. I may end up using them both in my A-team. How weird. I guess I have a reason to use Monk abilities now. Punishing Palm and Kick along with Pressure Point will be interesting. Any suggestions on how to make them -good-?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 30, 2015, 02:10:15 AM
Yaaaaaaaaaaay I finally get Vivi I actually have a use for that damn Oak Staff
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 30, 2015, 02:19:21 AM
Punishing Palm and Kick along with Pressure Point will be interesting. Any suggestions on how to make them -good-?

I've been using monks for a while and Pressure Point is excellent.  High damage and good chance of instant death, helps on those elite trash mobs (and things like Soul Cannon launchers).  So far Punishing Palm is great also.  Kick has a really low damage multiplier so not worth using.  Biggest problem is hones, the good monk abilities are 4-stars (and the upcoming 5-star).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 30, 2015, 02:36:05 AM
So, I beat Zidane's +++ fight today.

It took me two tries to actually have a set-up to beat it.

Then three more tries to have a set-up to actually master the fight.  Between having a dozen tries where Eiko dies before I get a turn because I have a hat on her instead of armor...  Yeah.

Mastery set-up:
Y'shtola L65 - Thyrus, Ninja Chainmail, Emerald Ring - Curaga R3, Faith R2 - Mako Might
Eiko L50 - Golem's Flute, White Robe, Rune Armlet - Curaga R3, Diaga R2 - Lionheart
Cloud L80 - Cobalt Katzbalger+, Adamant Bangle, Black Belt - Armor Break R2, Retaliate R5 - Light's Wrath (this probably could've been Dragoon's Determination for better results)
Vivi L60 - Poison Rod, Estharian Helmet, Amulet - Waterja R4, Thundaja R3 - Vow of Vengeance (I started off with Devotion, but that made Vivi too frail to survive anything...)
Zidane L50 - Rising Sun (6), Dragon Gloves, Fury Ring - Tempo Flurry R5, Dark Buster R3 - Thief's Code
RW: Sazh's Boon

I could survive one hit without mitigation, but aside from that?  Pray that Zidane procced Blind early, get Shtola to pop off Stoneskin 2, Vivi runs the first RW, Cloud Armor Breaks, Eiko casts a pre-emptive Curaga...  And then chaos ensues from there.  Lionheart on Eiko meant I got to use Emerald Light fairly often, which helped the battle go faster.  I picked the Cobalt Katzbalger for Cloud not only due to it being tied for my strongest Sword, but it also has Sword Oath as a Shared SB.  Dragon Gloves on Zidane helped him mitigate the MT Fira for himself.  White Robe on Eiko was pretty badass defensively.


So!  I think it's about time I set up a list of my gear again.  Maybe someone can help me figure out what the hell I'm doing.

5*+
Danjuro (Dagger, 12)
Zantetsuken (Sword, 6)
Butterfly Sword (Sword, 7)
Cobalt Katzbalger (Sword, 14)
Crystal Glove (Fist, 7)
Lominsan Bow (Bow, 14)
Rising Sun (Thrown, 8)

4*++
Nodachi (Katana, 10)
Trident (Spear, 12)
Empyrean Rod (Rod, 12)
Empyrean Rod (Rod, 12) (No, this is not a typo, I have two 4*++ Empyrean Rods)
Gravity Rod (Rod, 6)
Royal Crown (Hat, 6)
Ten-Gallon Hat (Hat, 8)
Thornlet (Helmet, 5)
Crystal Bangle (Bracer, 7)

5*
Behemoth Knife (Dagger, Core)
Air Knife (Dagger, 5)
Yoshimitsu (Dagger, 14)
Revolver (Sword, 8)
Flame Sword (Sword, 4)
Stoneblade (Sword, 4)
SOLDIER Sword (Sword, 7)
Shear Trigger (Sword, 8)
Gold Sword (Sword, 7)
Gungnir (Spear, 12)
Dragon Claw (Fist, 7)
Rune Rod (Rod, 10)
Thyrus (Staff, 14)
Golem Flute (Instrument, 9)
Fabled Harp (Instrument, 4)
Valkyrie (Thrown, 8)
Rising Sun (Thrown, 6)
Fujin's Chakram (Thrown, 8)
Running Fire (Gun, 8)
Evil Lantern (Thrown, 13)
Diamond Pin (Hairpin, 7)
Gatling Gun (Gun-Arm, 7)
Estharian Helmet (Hat, 8)
Circlet (Hat, 7)
Shinra Helmet (Hat, 7)
Defense Veil (Hat, 10)
Evoker's Horn (Hat, 14)
Witch's Hat (Hat, 13)
Ninja Chainmail (Light Armor, 14)
Ninja Chainmail (Light Armor, 14)
Ninja Chainmail (Light Armor, 14) (Again, not a typo.  I could get a 5*++ Ninja Chainmail, but having the three separated is helpful.)
Diamond Armor (Heavy Armor, 4)
Minerva Bustier (Robe, 6)
White Robe (Robe, 9)
Chanter's Djellaba (Robe, 12)
Dragon Gloves (Bracer, 4)
Adamant Bangle (Bracer, 7)

4*+
Warrior's Sword (Sword, 10)
Sledgehammer (Hammer, 12)
Knight's Armor (Heavy Armor, 1)

3*++
Lilith Rod (Rod, 4)
Flail (Rod, 8)



Personal current character rankings (not counting Synergy stuff).  Those I don't mention I can't really make use of due to not having the right tools.

White Mage:
1) Y'shtola - I have Thyrus for Stoneskin 2.  'Nuff said.  Outside of that, Mako Might means she can throw it out as her first action, and she's a good White Mage besides.
2) Eiko - I drew the Golem's Flute, which is MT Cura + Haste.  If I don't need a different pure White Mage in my party, she's in.
3) Aeris - Seal Evil has its uses.  Otherwise, generic White Mage like all the others I have.

Black Mage:
1) Rinoa - I have both of her SB weapons, and one is even at 5*+.  On top of that, she'll soon have Summoning 5, which makes her...  An FF8-flavored Rydia.
2) Hope - He's #2 by virtue of being able to use Mage Throwing Weapons, and therefore Rinoa's stuff.  If I need two Black Mages, I can stick the extra one on him.
2) Terra - Trance Flood is good times.  Actually tied with Hope for ranking because of that.
4) Vivi - Focus Magic is functional.  Otherwise generic.

Retaliators:
1) Cloud - He's the strongest.  That's all.
1) Gilgamesh - Drawtaliate shuts down SO many enemies and stages, it's not even funny.  The Crystal Glove even winds up being more powerful than any of my swords, and Morphing Time renders the argument for throwing the Katzbalger on him moot.  Not quite as outright strong as Cloud, but good enough to straight-up tie with him in ranking.
3) Auron - He's a Retaliator that can use swords, so...  Not bad.

Support:
1) Red XIII - Lunatic High, Support 5, and some Combat Levels.  Yeah, he's good.
2) Edward - Fabled Song can see some use, as well as Support 5, maybe Bard 5 at some point.  Can use better armor than Red, but his durability is overall worse.
2) Thancred - I have both of his SB pieces.  Despite that, he winds up in a wierd spot between Red and Edward, having some of both of their traits, yet not being quite as useful as either of the specialists.  Either way, having access to Dismissal means he can only be so bad, Death Blossom is a decent MT physical Slow, and Dancing Blades exists for bosses.
4) Bartz - While I have his Air Knife, he's in that strange spot that I don't really know what to do with him.  When Tornado Blade comes out, he'll be even better with it, Celerity gives him Dismissal, and Thief has a few interesting moves, but I can't really place in mind how I should really be using him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 30, 2015, 03:27:48 AM
Ran through the collab event. Man the mobile MMO that they're collaborating with looks shitty as hell. Beat the +++ fight, nothing too hard. Tornado Strike looks pretty cool. 2x hit Wind damage, may try to R2 that after Meteo. Cuts into my Major physical orb supply, but since I'm getting R2 Breakdance I dont really need that for much. The major Black orbs are a more convincing reason to not hone it, actually, since that puts R3 Meteo reaaaaaally far out there… though honestly by the time I get the NE orbs for R2, much less R3, i'll have the reqs for the spellblade. We'll see.

On a related note, I'm pretty sure that the number of 5* skills has doubled since they started introducing a new one each week after the Freya event. Power creeeeeeeeeeep.

Cap broke Faris, so I do have someone who can use Steal Power now so that's good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 30, 2015, 03:52:21 AM
So!  I think it's about time I set up a list of my gear again.  Maybe someone can help me figure out what the hell I'm doing.

I see no reason for you to not use Rinoa all the time.  You've got both her SBs.  You've got a strong weapon for her.  And she's the first black mage to get MC2 so she'll be strong for the foreseeable future.

Yshtola is probably your go-to white mage over Eiko.  Granted there are plenty of times when it's justified to run both, so you have that option.  Nothing wrong with having a White Mage on Diaga duty with Protectga in second slot or an extra Curaga for emergencies.  My problem with Eiko is that she's super frail.  Also not sold on bard abilities being terribly useful at this time.

Thancred is deserving of a spot on your team.  Tempo Flurry + Dismissal is an amazing skillset that is useful in like 99% of the battles in the game.  And his SBs are good, so might as well use him.

I personally get by without a Support, and you're not really hurting for mitigation with Yshtola.  Probably better to put a strong physical attacker to use those 6-stars you have.  Bartz can use the Lominsan Bow, Thancred can use the Crystal Glove, Gilgamesh can use errthang else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 30, 2015, 06:16:14 AM
Yeah if you have Stoneraskin, supports really matter quite a bit less. Support is more of a necessity when you're hurting for every bit of mitigation you can get.

I highly recommend running two WMs, especially if you have relics for them. WM4 is such a versitile skillset that I never regret having more WMs, and Diaga is a really great aja level spell that trades being buffable for starting at 4 charges at R1, and when the 凶 fights show up in global you're almost certainly gonna need to run two healers.  Plus, Eiko and Rinoa synergize pretty well since Eiko can use mana's praen.

I basically agree with the rest of what Captain said though. My party setup is almost always Two fighters, a black mage, and two White Mages, switching up the first three as necessary.

Edit Welp, now there are dual elemental skills. Ok sure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 30, 2015, 07:34:47 AM
Why look! A niche for Blue Magic to fill! Aqua Breath hits both Water and Wind IIRC?

Or Summon, since that skillset is getting severely overlooked. And hey, there's even quite a few Summons that do multi-elemental damage. Tritoch, Kjata, Exodus, maybe Magus Sisters counts. Could have something like a Gilgamesh summon that does Magical and Physical damage too?

JP update: My boy just got Squall Burst Soul Break, so there's some definite jealousy there. But I don't think I'm gonna pull on this banner. Just not really worth it since I don't care for most of the characters.

Global update: Decided I'm not gonna pull for Yuna's Lullabye stick. I love Yuna but I can duplicate its effect with Amarant's Aura and Eiko's Emerald Light plus get Shellga and Hastega out of the deal. I -will- pull for Lulu's hairpin because that's a useful mage hat with a great unique soul break plus a chance at a new sword for Tidus, another Blitzball for my Blitzball team, and a lackluster Yuna stick but still decent. Really, the tipping point is that I like Tidus more than Auron Red Tidus and that Swords are more versatile. So I'll just do one 3x Pull on the Second banner and let the first one quietly pass by. I also get a shot at the generic relics from this banner which overall aren't too bad apart from the Thief Dagger? FFX synergy Rod, Bangle, and the Light Armor has a cool shared SB.

Save the rest for Rift of Recollection.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 30, 2015, 10:11:31 AM
Finished the collab event, minus the 凶+ fight that looks like I want R2 Meteo for it (I am 3 MNeOs away. I can fuckin' taste it. It tastes like cellphone.)

The Normal 凶 event was not particularly hard. Two enemies weak to fire, so I brought out Gilgamesh with Flaming Weeaboo, Ramza with Power/Mag breaks, Zack with Dual Delay/Indoor Spell, mages on heal and buffgas. Contemplated making Firaga Strike but decided against it and it turned out I didn't need it.

凶+ looks like a rehash of the Bahamut SIN fight, only easier (or at the very least for me, doable). Adds that respawn, big damage move based on how many adds are left. Mostly easier because if you attack the adds and they don't die, they have a non-neglible chance of dealing 3k-6k to the big boy, so whittling them down with Ruinga and killing them with Meteo before the big attack goes off seems ideal. Honed Ruinga to R4 for it and will tackle it after Saturday when I'll very possibly have Meteo at R2.

I just now realized that Zack does not have Spellblade 5. Actually, nobody on my A team does, an issue which has not mattered before now. Celes is sadly only L50 so as nice as Tornado strike would be for this fight I'll have to pass. If I'm reaaaally still having trouble, I figured what I'd do is blow my Beginner banner freebie on Bartz' Air Knife (Wind elemental SB baby), pump him full of eggs and run him through the ringer Sunday and whatnot, and swap him for Zack. Bartz is on the levelling team anyway, now that I actually have him, thanks to his pretty little Dualcast Spellblade record materia. So pretty. Wanna get with that materia. Regardless, I'm pretty sure that's what I'm gonna finally use that banner for now. I like bartz well enough and Spellblade is a niche I apparently need filled with some hot blowhard action.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 30, 2015, 01:33:57 PM
This event is negative fun. I can't tell if the monsters are harder because of a complete lack of synergy, (I have NO base equipment from FFIX at 4star or higher) or if power creep is just getting to that point.

Rolled hoping for FFIX equipment, got 10 silver and 1 gold. GG.

Grabbed the characters and memory crystals, tempted to call it a day and tell FFIX to go to hell, just like I did the abortion of a real game. It almost feels poetic.

Amarant has zero levels in Ninja, and this game and its designers are stupid.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 30, 2015, 02:26:03 PM
I honestly have -no- idea why you're struggling with FF9 dungeons of all things: the bosses in the main event are among the easiest in the entire game. Beatrix folds to any decent mitigation + Hastega RW. Zorn and Thorn shouldn't ever get turns and Amarant can -not- damage you with Draw Fire + Retaliate. The trash gets handled by Carbuncle + Summoning Spring II at worst - or Shellga + Concentration II, because they're among the rare trash mobs that are heavily magic-inclined.

Also, the -only- Ninja-like ability Amarant has in FF9 is Throw and he gets thrown weapons in FFRK. Covered.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 30, 2015, 02:54:24 PM
I can't deal damage BACK to Amarant with Retaliate.

It's more just the very late/bonus bosses that are just fucking obnoxious bags of HP and defense (and, notably, being unable to bust defenses, Amarant) that just don't grind down.) Any other realm, I can make at least one person a serious damage threat, but I just have nothing. I have Golbez who quickly runs out of spells. Even Cloud is a goddamn weakling. When my best offense is either about 8 shots of 6k from Golbez or... uh.... anemically swinging away with Auron for about 1.4, "Big beefy enemies" are a hell of a lot scarier than even shit like the ludicrous magic damage FFVI monsters, because hey, at least those assholes you can burst down. Or reflect. (And having FFVI gear helps a shit ton. I've finally reached a point where synergy is meaningful)

Zorn and Thorn get turns! They power up their buddy. And then power up their buddy. And then lose their power up. :(

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 30, 2015, 03:05:25 PM
Honestly, against Amarant, sounds like you'd WIN just by equipping two R4 -gas on Golbez, someone with R2 Faith and Loserface with Draw Fire + Retaliate. I just can't fathom why is this being so troublesome, you only need -one- mage and decently honed 3* abilities. Hell, you could even use Blasting Zone/Blade Beam RWs to speed things up, since he requires -zero- mitigation once Drawtaliate is up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 30, 2015, 03:20:58 PM
Ooooh. Faith might work. I forgot that even existed. Pound a bunch of eggs into Eiko and give her some damage.

EDIT
This seems like a non-sequitor, but I have Mana's Paean over faith
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 30, 2015, 03:30:10 PM
Mana's Paean is 15% over Faith's 20% boost to the Magic stat. If you're running that, I'd recommend a second mage - he/she can run a 4* rod - in order to make use of its MT nature. Regardless, I'd recommend having both abilities stashed for eventual needs. You can also equip Golbez with Devotion or Vow of Vengeance (whichever you have) to maximize your spell offense. Heck, if you're running Eiko, hone Requiem, hand her a rod instead of a staff and run Requiem + Mana's Paean. It's not -great-, but it's cheap and should tide you over for Amarant Elite.

EDIT: the game handed me eight Greater Blacks from farming Ultima today. I don't even
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 30, 2015, 03:45:57 PM
Nnnnnnope. Easily run out of abilities again.

I could try:

Golbez/Eiko/Rinoa/(Vivi? At some point, I just don't have the mage gear.... He's got the highest Raw and hell, it's his realm, I guess)/Gilgamesh and see if I can burst the fucker down with 4 mages.

EDIT

Maybe level Amarant himself, too, and run him with Pumpkin + Tempo Flurry + Double Strike......
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 30, 2015, 04:06:54 PM
So Edea dropped in Japan and what do they do with her?!

...she's a Lulu Clone.  Black 5*, similar stats in places that matter, I think having less Res and more Attack (LOSING TRADE), and completely one dimensional.  Ok, sure, that works...

...except Rinoa JUST got a Magic Buff and Summon 5*, so they're just adding in a character who has a marginal offensive increase at the cost of much lower bulk, less versatility (no Carbuncle, Dispel, Faith, etc.), and can't even have the "well, better in this realm!" claim as a fallback.  Really should have made her FF8's Sage; at least then she'd seem meaningful (heck, Dispel AND Reflect are two spells often associated with her)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 30, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
Nnnnnnope. Easily run out of abilities again.

What -are- your hones anyway? I think I just pinpointed the fundamental problem. Give me a rundown on the ranks of all your relevant abilities.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 30, 2015, 04:36:33 PM
I'm bad

Get gud

I'm still bad

Get gooder

So I've easily had worse luck than all y'all on the fucking draws, haven't donated a goddamn CENT to this game, and am still clearing base events and doing at least + fights, managed last event's ++ fight. So... maybe I have an idea of what I am fucking doing

/zenny

To actually contribute something useful,

nah mate nvm snow literally posted just before I could post.

Hones matter so much it isn't even funny. Even if something is a better skill that a better character could use, if it's R3 (6 charges) vs. R4 (8 charges) on a slightly-worse skill on a slightly-worse character, I'd pick the R4 every time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 30, 2015, 04:57:20 PM
Seeing as I've already completed all the Classic dungeons so far, I'm gonna try something silly: clearing out all my uncleared Elite stages by game (with exception to Fifth Arc Part 3 getting priority if an Advance RW pops up).

4 3 FF1 Elite Stages left to go.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 30, 2015, 05:02:09 PM
If I have to fucking GRIND to play a game that I play for 15 minutes at a time, I'm going to delete the game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 30, 2015, 05:09:05 PM
If I have to fucking GRIND to play a game that I play for 15 minutes at a time, I'm going to delete the game.

Yeah, well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 30, 2015, 05:14:55 PM
If I have to fucking GRIND to play a game that I play for 15 minutes at a time, I'm going to delete the game.

Yeah, well.

This said, seriously, it's a skinner box. -Of course- grinding and farming are at the very core of the game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magetastica on November 30, 2015, 05:41:07 PM
No you don't have to grind. I certainly haven't and I'm doing fine.

The important part is to try and grab the good abilities from the events, to strategize and prioritize what you hone, and to try and have a party focused on what your best equips are. Seriously. R5 Retaliate meta can go a long-ass way when you have a good sword.

I do also want to know what your honed abilities are, though. Mostly for curiosity on what your build path has been.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 30, 2015, 05:52:49 PM
He doesn't Retaliate, though. And VSM also skips a rather high amount of content, so he doesn't get a lot of crucial Greater Orbs. It's hard to get by without farming as is, without those venues, the player's more or less SOL if he cares about doing any sort of high-level content.

THIS SAID, VSM's reported levels of struggle border on complete cluelessness at times. It really makes me curious to what kind of setups he attempts, since he already does stuff like refusing to field anyone with WM4 ever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 30, 2015, 06:56:02 PM
What have I reported struggle with outside of the FFVI high-magic bosses (seriously, OHKO level damage on a 3 part boss) and FFIX, just now?

Stuff I have honed up to 6 uses or more:

Tempo Flurry
Double Strike
Retaliate (yes, actually, retaliate)
Curaga
Most level 2 and level 3 elemental black magic, plus Bioga
Firaga
Waterja
Haste
Reflect
Sleep, Silence, and Dark Buster
Armor Break
3 and 4 star Spellblade stuff.

Equipment I have:

5* (natural)
Blitz Sword (FFVIII)
Gold Sword (FFVII)
Evil-Jack-O-Pumpkin-Lantern,whatever it's called (FFXII? XIII?)
Rune Axe (Golbez unique)
Shimmering Blade (Auron unique)
Adamant Bangle (FFVII armor)
Witch's hat (Event armor. 12 or 13 or whatever)
Circlet (FFVII?)
Nothing else.

4*++
Sledgehammer (FFXII)
Hayate's Bow (FFV)
Hypno Crown (FFV)

Nothing else.

4*+
Defender (Both FFI and FFIV editions)
EDIT: Apparently I also have a Kotetsu, probably from the FFVI event?

Nothing else.

4* Natural:
Black Garb, I think? That's 4* on its own, yeah?
Whatever the White Mage and Black Mage Staff/rods are you get in normal dungeons. Some harp.

Nothing else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magetastica on November 30, 2015, 07:18:46 PM
Do you have the Double-Hit RM? Or either of the +Atk(Start Sapped) RMs? Because if you grab those, stick Golbez and a WM in your party, and then get 4-6 charges of Dismissal you should be pretty okay. Still hard but should be okay. I know I've certainly done more than my fair share of +/++/+++ fights with the Reta-Meta, and yeah, I honed the fuck out of Retaliate. Just because it's no longer 'in the current meta' doesn't mean it's not in the meta for people who don't have the crazy good SBs.

Oh, and with those set-ups, I'd definitely look at crafting (but not honing) Protectga and Shellga, and amassing a huge wad of Sentinel's Grimoire and Stoneskin RWs to deal with the damage mitigation on any bosses that still fuck you up.

Really, the only things you're missing to pad out your ability roster there are Dismissal/Pound, Protectga, Shellga, and Intimidate. Maybe Boost or something. But you're pretty close to a full Reta setup.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 30, 2015, 07:22:34 PM
I've got a lesser amount of pretty much all of those.

Most of my RMs fall into one of three categories:

Mitigation:
Stoneskin II, Sentinel's, Boon, Lunatic High

Defense breaking:
Deprotega, Status Reels

Hymn of the Fayth:
.....hymn...of the fayth.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 30, 2015, 07:48:45 PM
Do you have Concentration II and Mana Spring II? Devotion? Looking at your hones and equipment (R3 Bioga and Waterja/Firaja), you seriously shouldn't be skipping content at all. Only thing you seem to be missing beyond Protectga and Shellga, which are both inexcusable, is the Breakdowns, which are a huge step up from Breaks (and are -useful- against Break resistance, unlike breaks), but those you can leave at R2 for a while, prioritizing Magic Breakdown. Power Breakdown somewhat depends on whether you run a Thief or not, Mental vs. Armor depends on whether you run more physicals or magic (I left Armor Breakdown at R1 and haven't used it since Selphie/Quistis, while I have both Magic and Mental Breakdown at R4. Power Breakdown is R3, Steal Power is R2).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Veryslightlymad on November 30, 2015, 08:18:04 PM
Takes orbs I don't have. I have R1 in both Protectga and Shellga, and... uh.... two of the breakdowns (not power, since I do that anyhow)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 30, 2015, 08:26:39 PM
Well, now you know what to aim for your next hones. And grab Concentration II/Mana Spring II if you haven't already. You -will- eventually want Power Breakdown regardless, since breaks/breakdowns don't last very long (about three turns) and you should reapply them periodically. R2 lets you last a whole fight with judicious application, R3 and onwards lets you spam them. Also, at what speed do you run the game, idly?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 30, 2015, 10:31:16 PM
Eh what you have is okay for mitigation.  I had pretty similar stuff not too long ago.  Breakdowns are not worth wasting orbs on, don't listen to Snow.  Power and Magic Break + Sentinel Grimoire RW are enough mitigation for almost all content.  Protectga and Shellga you can hone to r2, don't go any higher on those.

What you lack is offense and yeah you're pretty screwed there.  Amarant is a wall of hp and with no synergy there's not much you can do about it.  I'd say start paying attention to the 2++ items you can make with synergy in realms you're weak in.  They're still bad but better than nothing.  FF9 doesn't have any useful farmable gear.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on November 30, 2015, 11:52:04 PM
Magic Breakdown is the only Breakdown that's really relevant for high level content right now, since it's still a respectable -40% damage reduction even resisted. It's easily the best use of Greater Power Orbs in the game.

Power Breakdown is only -14.5% physical damage for any +++ boss unless you stack on additional debuffs (and Full Break isn't enough for some bosses, you'd need Heroic Harmony as well). It's still useful for a lot of story bosses who don't resist it as well as ++ and lower level difficulties, but I wouldn't call it a must-have skill these days. Steal Power is better because the +50% attack is great so long as you aren't running something like Planet Protector already.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 01, 2015, 12:11:20 AM
Magic Breakdown is the must-have skill out of the Breakdowns, due to that -and- the fact bosses tend to have more threatening magic than physicals. 3* Breaks against any Break-resistant content (i.e. anything above + nowadays, and slowly creeping into just about -any- content above Classic, see this event's Elite Amarant's Break resistance), however, are borderline useless. 15% reduction means you reduce/raise damage by less than 10% on average. You only run them as filler if you're running -no- Support 4 PC, but that always feels like a poor idea (I can't think of a single serious party setup of mine where I ever think "hm, running a *insert relevant Breakdown* somewhere wouldn't be optimal").
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 01, 2015, 01:03:44 AM
Draw and Retaliate with Tyro with your Evil Pumpkin and you shouldn't have any trouble with Amarant? You can even throw Advance in there to make sure you're getting the damage you need. Apart from that, throw either a bunch of double hitters or Mages into the other four slots to help with the damage race before you run out of reta charges?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 01, 2015, 02:57:37 AM
Finished Zidane event.  Setup for Evil Tree That Is Not Exdeath:

Level 65 Garnet (Curaga, Diaga)
Level 64 Bartz (Steal Power, Tempo Flurry)
Level 65 Vivi (Waterja, Flare)
Level 51 Eiko (Curaga, Protectga)
Level 50 Zidane (Dismissal, Dark Buster) + Diamond Plate and Mako Might
Boon RW

Flash on first turn with Zidane, set up other mitigation, whack with Garnet, Vivi, and Bartz.  Took some resets due to first turn pre-mitigation shenanigans, but once it got rolling it worked fine.

EDIT: Math stuff https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/3uwy0w/mathcraft_steal_power_punishing_palm_vs_armor/
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 01, 2015, 03:46:55 AM
Heh. I was totally about o post that awesome mathcraft thing on Punishing Palm too. Very nicely researched. And even if some of his assumptions might not always hold true, it does make a good argument for Palm being the most reliable physical damage ability short of crazy Barrage hones.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 01, 2015, 09:30:02 AM
Tuesdaily has this odd tendency to greet me with a shower of Greaters early in the morning. Today, we had four GPOs and a GBO on the first 120 stamina. May as well, considering R4 Mental Breakdown led me back to R4 Blizzaja before Calamity Exdeath being an unrealistic expectation.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 01, 2015, 02:39:00 PM
Didn't master +++.

Upsetting. Gonna try again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 01, 2015, 02:47:12 PM
Soulcage is honestly one of the most dickish +++s since at least Sanctuary Keeper. The real clincher there is the ridiculous speed (350 or so when your fastest characters won't even have 160), making getting the drop on it honestly hard and all of its offense is MT, meaning you'll often start at a disadvantage. I managed Eiko to land Protectga first turn -just- before Soulcage's first turn, which really eased up on the pressure, but pulling that off can be ridiculous without something like an Auto-Haste RM (good thing cap-breaking Zidane, who is a target score req, hands you one!). This said, with two Hastega relics, serious blitzing shenanigans happened on my end. Fun, if brutal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 01, 2015, 03:06:26 PM
Tried the 凶+ fight for the collab event again, and ugh no it just isn't happening. I think, IF I get Meteo to R2, and IF I get Bartz to L65 Sunday and get his Air Knife in the guaranteed Relic draw, I have a decent shot, since honestly Ramza isn't helping that much and Mog can take care of the lower MATK requirement. That said, I may spend some time before spending the mythril trying my build out with swapping out Ramza for Gilgamesh with Flaming Weeb, Wind Jump, and a Hastega RW instead of Sentinel's Grimiore. That may make it doable. Ideally, Good Time or Lunatic High will also let me keep Faith in addition to Breakdance Fever, meaning I don't completely gimp Terra's damage. Still, that one almost certainly hinges on me scraping together enough NE orbs Saturday to get R2 Meteo.

Fortunately, there's nothing actually all that scary in the fight except for the big fuck you Sandstorm attack. I should actually be able to get this done without SGSRS as long as I can make sure the adds are dead and not respawned before Sandstorm goes off.

In other news, I got like two Major Blacks today after I got flooded with Black orbs from the event. Ain't complainin, that shit can go to spellblades or R4 Thundaja, which it's looking like I'll need in order to beat the Ultima Buster guarding the Soul of Ultima.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 01, 2015, 03:29:46 PM
Landed blind 1st Turn really helped the 2nd go around.

Lost 3 medals.

Mastered.

Phew...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 01, 2015, 03:43:40 PM
Fortunately, there's nothing actually all that scary in the fight except for the big fuck you Sandstorm attack. I should actually be able to get this done without SGSRS as long as I can make sure the adds are dead and not respawned before Sandstorm goes off.

Regarding that attack: it's gravity-based. If you have equips (accessories, armor, what have you) that grant ID resistance, you can use those to gimp the move's accuracy. Depending on the equips you use, it can -drastically- neuter those moves (for instance, the Safety Bit I got from Tidus' event way back in June borderline trivialized stuff like the Oilboyles' Oil Blasts). This said, ID resistance stuff is generally rare and I'm not sure if any was handed to you in the periods you've been playing the game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 01, 2015, 04:00:33 PM
I did get exactly one ID resist accessory, during the Relm/Shadow event, because of course they gave you a Memento Ring for that. Thanks! I figured out that it was gravity based, but did not know that ID resist helped against gravity attacks.

With that in mind, if I toss that on Aerith, save up her SB charges, and use a hastega RW with Gilgamesh instead of Ramza, that may well work (and I don't have to spend 50 mythril that could go to a potential SG banner). Neat.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 01, 2015, 04:06:59 PM
There was another ID resistance accessory from Minwu's event from skimming over Kongbakpao's event page, and it wasn't from the Misfortune fight. You might want to check it up for an extra layer of protection on someone else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 01, 2015, 05:52:09 PM
How shameful.

Because his Inferno caught me off-guard about how much damage it did, and how much time I'd have to S/L the fight, I had to blow a Mithril on Bahamut in Elite Fifth Arc Part 3...  Mostly because I didn't want to wait 5 hours to have another shot at it.  Flipside is that it's done, I mastered it, and now I don't have to worry about it ever again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 01, 2015, 06:00:31 PM
Five Greater Blacks, Five Greater Powers so far, still a few runs left to go. Lulu event lands tonight, but not sure whether I'll save some stamina for rushing the time-wasting parts of it or save all of it for tomorrow and Thursday. This said, ETA for R2 Full Break: Friday night. I also need to plan my strategy for Yojimbo, though, with the sheer volume of FFX synergy I have, the only trouble I may have with him is likely Zanmato's ID proc. We'll see.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 02, 2015, 03:05:04 AM
Don't underestimate Spherimorph on the new event.  His aoe hit for 2500 damage on 30 difficulty.  Granted he has no hp, but he hits stupidly hard.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 02, 2015, 03:09:29 AM
Speaking of which, ended up doing three pulls on this event. First pull yielded nothing, second one ANOTHER Emerald Shield (hello, my first useless 5++*). Third one, netted myself a Gold Bangle and the gorram Lullaby Rod. Took long enough to get a relic for my favorite FF PC.

EDIT: R2 FULL BREAK HAS ARRIVED, BITCHES
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 02, 2015, 11:33:31 AM
Main battles on Lulu's event done. Sanctuary Keeper sorta tried this time with Break resistance, but having only 110k HP sorta makes him crumble fast, especially given how ridiculous my general FFX synergy is. Thanks for the Major Lightning Orb, though, I have R2 Full Break thanks to that. Spherimorph gets fixed by Sentinel's Grimoire and exploiting his AI quirks and interrupts. All that's left until Friday is farming for Greater Winds/Lightnings and then for Tidus' RM2. I lost count of how much stamina I wasted trying to proc it and I need that to unlock his RM3 when Rift of Recollection sweeps in.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 02, 2015, 12:07:02 PM
I would like to formally thank the game for putting two memory crystals on Zorn and Thorn, since in the course of this event I went from having none to having three, one of which is even on a non-suck character.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 02, 2015, 12:12:30 PM
I assume you're happy about Vivi finally getting an easily accessible MC. For all that Eiko is an annoying git in FF9, though, she's a really good PC in RK. White Magic and Bard synergize very well and Shellga as a default SB is good times.

EDIT: Apparently, JP FFRK released Edea's event bonus battles today. And guess what, guyze: THEY'RE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK (http://youtu.be/3vkARwb-ts0)

EDIT #Grefter: Yay, DeNa updated the login bonuses! The draw now has an extra mythril per ten-day cycle, 4* upmats, eggs and better gil rewards.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 02, 2015, 02:16:53 PM
Finally.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 02, 2015, 07:33:07 PM
Things that happened to me in Lulu's event:

Auron to L65
Wakka's MC, RM1, and RM2 obtained.
Kimahri's useless RM2 obtained.

So far, all the Classic and Elite stages are done (Still have Elite Moonflow to do, but I have a L65 Auron with R5 Retaliate and a Nodachi++ - things won't last long).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 03, 2015, 09:35:21 AM
Next JP event stars Palom and Porom, along with SSBs and MC2s for the twins and Rydia. They'll also introduce a new skillset based on Dark Knight abilities. Oh, and I hope you liked fighting Cagnazzo, because he's the Doom fight of the week.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 03, 2015, 10:53:27 AM
Oh god, he's gonna stay in that shell for fucking ever... >.<;;

Dark Knight abilities surprise me. I mean, it just seems like they should have introduced those sooner.

Also, I'm kind of annoyed that they introduce the twins and don't have any sort of Twin Magic mechanic. (Especially since if they -did- create that kind of mechanic for them, they could totally do a Chrono Trigger collab utilizing the same mechanic...)

Or just give me Blue Magic already, DeNA.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 03, 2015, 11:15:26 AM
Twincast will be in Palom's SSB, apparently. But I'm mainly eyeing the fact his weapon will be Triton's Dagger - i.e. uber versatile mage weapon. Landing that should be a huge boon for the likes of Red XIII and even some battle mages.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 03, 2015, 11:18:07 AM
Next JP event stars more characters that make you good at the game with things that let you get good.

Yeah but why don't DeNa love me?

Actually have you tried getting good?  I am working out how to get even better than get good..
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 03, 2015, 11:24:41 AM
Not good enough.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 03, 2015, 02:27:44 PM
Man,  I'm slacking on elites.

Going through the ffx ones I didn't complete.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 03, 2015, 04:14:01 PM
FINALLY got Tidus' second RM. Took me only six months. Guess it's back to the orb farming salt mines, then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 05, 2015, 02:39:08 AM
Did an 11-pull and a dollar pull for Lulu's Hairpin and Tidus' cool sword. And hey, I actually got a lot of 5-stars! This is awesome! Oh god, it's all four generic relics that has got to be statistically improbable... >.>;;
Rune Rod is nice at least. And an FFX 5* Armlet! Too bad about Variable Steel and Thief Blade.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 05, 2015, 02:47:10 AM
Tidus's was probably the hardest one for me to get also.

Finished all of the last dungeon update yesterday, so time for new dungeon update because game is life.

Oh wait, Lulu bonus battles guess I should do those first.

Boss rush was obnoxious.  You'll want Shellga for the first two bosses.  Kimahri was useful.

Seymour Butts was pretty standard from a fight we've seen many times before.  Kimahri was useful.  He also trashtalked during the fight.  "You have angered Kimahri!  The spirits of the Ronso will guide his spear!"

I just said Kimahri was useful.  Twice.  Such a horrible character but the boss fights are specifically designed to make use of his near-nonexistent skillset.  Mighty Guard for first two bosses.  Wind Jump to hit the head on the third boss.  POIZN and Silence Buster for Seymour.

(http://i.imgur.com/Dvpwnrv.png)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 05, 2015, 03:04:17 AM
Sweet. Time for Kimahri Meta. At least that's something I can do with this Thief's Blade... >.>;;

But first... holy crap I need to run the upmats dungeon like -now-. That's a lot of FFX synergy that's only gonna be useful for like 3 more fights...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 05, 2015, 03:28:49 AM
Also did pulls on Lulu's second banner, because I'll be damned if I'm not vying for that sexy hairpin. Two 11-pulls and two single pulls later, I have a Thief's Blade, an Al-Bhed Uniform (it's not even a featured relic!) and a Lightning Steel. The Lightning Steel is a great consolation prize, at least! I needed more swords, it has a solid SB for the time being -and- it boosts Lightning damage! Nice acquisition for Bartz there, Thundara Sword becomes one of his best offensive moves with it and it might even give me a reason to hone Thundaga Strike. Regardless, bonus battles.

I'll be very honest, I have so much FFX synergy (four character relics! A bajillion armors, including a 7*! A motherfucking Lullaby Rod!) that it really couldn't be very eventful. I even derped on Yojimbo, forgetting to swap Eiko's Silencega (which I used on Seymour Flux for great effect) with Protectga, and had pretty much no trouble. Drawtaliate Gilgamesh is a pretty solid idea for Yojimbo, albeit not trivializing (bringing -four- retaliators and a petrified Lulu is trivializing). Boss rush, Lullaby Rod Lulu with R2 Meteor sent her regards, high-powered AoE makes a mockery out of the Sinspawns' adds and their gimmicks. Gilgamesh Drawtaliate is also good there (Echuilles is pretty much entirely physical and all the adds on the other two fights are pure ST physical as well). Bringing some magic mitigation doesn't hurt, though, since Thundara and Sigh are the noteworthy moves in the rush.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 05, 2015, 04:05:31 AM
100 Gem Pull on the Banner got me a 3* Harp! YAY! HOW POINTLESS!!!  Oh well, FF10 is NOT a realm I need synergy for; I have Auron's Shimmering Blade, Yuna's Lullaby Rod, Tidus' Brotherhood, and the Heat Lance (generic 5* Lance w/ shared MT Fire physical Soul Break) so I'm good honestly.

Beat the event outside of the Boss Rush which I didn't master thanks to Damage reasons, will retry at some point.  Seymour...I'll cover him a bit because amusing.  Yojimbo was mostly a case of RNG.  I did Gilgamesh with Advance + Drawtaliate, though I didn't abuse attacking Gilgamesh himself as much as I REALLY wanted to thanks to Wakka's damage being crap and he had Tempo Flurry, but I stuck to my guns!  Winning run mostly had a scary moment where Eiko (using her as my healer even though Synergy Yuna would be straight up better for a number of reasons because...shut up, that's why!  Ok, I was using Eiko against Seymour since Mass Shell helped clear up some skill slots), Lulu and Wakka were all hit to low HP from a Zanmato -> Wakizashi combo, and Eiko healed herself (she was already queuing the attack) meaning if he used one more Zanmato or MT Wakizashi, it's a reset...

...he Kozuka's Gilgamesh.  Auron gets a Pound in, Gilgamesh gets another physical, Daguerro pokes Gilgamesh again, and yeah, fight mastered!  Probably actually going to try and farm this one for Greater Summon Orbs using Solo Auron w/ Retaliate strats because it seems like a good opportunity for those.


As for Seymour Flux?  Well, let's just talk about the winning run!

First off, Kimhari gets to play Status role.  Why Kimhari?  Because I decided Auron will be using Armor and Mental Break...yeah not the best idea, but this whole situation wasn't a big deal.  Kimhari wasn't as worthless as usual anyway because he's level 51, Synergy, has the mentioned 5* Lance I said above, and was doing an actual role here, so yeah, actually pulled his weight.  Wakka was on Breakdown duty, Lulu because she has to be, given Waterja R3 and Comet R4, and Eiko there because I need a White Mage and Mass Shell gives me an extra layer of protection for TOtal Annihilation, which she should have charged by then.

Kimhari gets Poison on turn 2, and then decides to NOT SILENCE AT ALL until after Reflect is up.  This would piss me off except for one hilarious aspect...

Seymour casts Reflect...twice...meaning Lulu gets Reflect on herself.  Suddenly, Lulu now has unreliable offense on him, and can act freely!  Yeah, she mostly hits the Mortibody but this actually ended up being a blessing in disguise later.  Either way, he basically did the ONE ACTION he shouldn't have done after casting Reflect.

After that? Mostly kept things under control, but because of Protect, it was hard to tell if Seymour still ahd Reflect up or not, and I wasn't sure if Lulu did either.  Looking at Mortibodies AND Seymour's HP, I wonder if a single comet can kill Mortibody and decide to try for it.  Mortibody takes 6k, it dies, uses Mortisorption on Seymour for about 6000...and Seymour dies.  So yes, Seymour died at the hand of Mortibody, it's pretty great!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 05, 2015, 04:14:54 AM
Sigh is a noteworthy move in the rush.

...You didn't Intimidate him into submission?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 05, 2015, 05:12:25 AM
Intimidate doesn't have 100% accuracy, and a single turn out of paralysis early on means Sigh can nail you.  It's also not quite dangerous enough to cause an S/L, but it's enough to be notable.

Also, just attempted Yojimbo with a solo Auron after boosting him a few levels so he's cleanly better than Cloud post Synergy (basically, he's level 62 now, Cloud is level 71), and...ok, I lied, I didn't actually solo.  I brought Y'shtola there but only so I could use Boost on early turns so Auron's damage gets a quick buff early, since I couldn't be bothered to wait for an Advance RW, and thus settled for Planet Protector.  She's most certainly dying after some time of course, but if she gets one turn, that's enough, which she typically does.  On hindsight, should have brought someone more durable like Terra, Thancred, or Vaan or something to do the same thing as well as capable of doing legitimate damage if they get a 2nd turn, but I digress, Boost was important to winning as it gave Auron a few extra turns of boosted damage, as Planet Protector will wear off before the fight ends.

And...it worked!  Just simply alternating between Retaliate and some other physical action (chose Double Cut because if I didn't know how much damage he'd be doing, and...well...he was close to 5k per shot, which would make it ideal; if I had Advance, it WOULD be over 5k a shot), toss Dragon's Fang somewhere in the mix, just hope I don't get caught without retaliate for more than maybe one turn and I'm good.  Also saw my first Bronze award for winning but who cares, I mastered it already and I'm just doing it for the orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 05, 2015, 06:22:53 AM
Record Keeper character build talk. Posted it on Reddit too, but it's more for my DL peeps. Incoming Meeple-length rant.

So FFRK is basically the giant FF crossover I've always wanted to see. And for the most part, the translations of all the characters tend to make sense. Yuna is a Summoner/White Mage with Guns down the line, Kain is all about Dragooning, and all that. But sometimes the equipment/skillset choices are a bit odd. Why can Cloud use Spellblade? Why can't Auron use Full Break? Usually the answer is "concessions for balance", and I'm okay with that. But then you get really odd choices like Irvine randomly getting low level magic when he's the only character in FF8 who actively dislikes GFs and magic, and to top it off he, the sniper, doesn't get access to Aim because he has zero levels in Celerity.

So I'm curious which choices people think really don't fit the original flavor, which ones are balance concessions, and which ones just don't make any sense. And maybe through discussion, I might change my mind on which category some of these belong in.
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So starting with the FF3 cast (because 1 and 2 don't matter mostly), the big theme here seems to be that each PC was given a specific job. Arc is the most obvious as a White Mage (and I guess Summoner as his secondary because he randomly has a 4 there?). Ingus, judging by his sprite, was built as a Knight with Breakdowns. Luneth seems built as the stereotypical Warrior archetype. "Advance" is even typically a Warrior class skill in most of the FF games with job systems. Interestingly, there's some unused sprite of Luneth as a Dark Knight, which, given what we've seen of Dark Knight Cecil's skillset, just implies Combat 5, which Luneth has, so maybe he was supposed to be crossclassing as Warrior/Dark Knight? Though now that Darkness abilities are not, he's obviously lacking that. Instead, he has Spellblade 4 now, which isn't really tied to how Warrior nor Dark Knight work in FF3. However, it is a huge boon to his worth as a character, so it's probably a balance concession that doesn't stray too far from his archetype. Amusingly though, there aren't any jobs in FF3 that can use Spellblade skills... Perhaps Geomancer is the closest?
Refia is interesting in that she's a Monk-based character with access to Thrown weapons. Cross-classing as a Ninja would certainly fit the archetype, though she gets no Ninja skills. She does get a lot of Celerity though, so perhaps Ranger? FF3 has two Monk-type jobs, Monk, which is barehanded and gets Retaliate as its job specific skill, and Blackbelt, which gets Fists and Boost. Punishing Palm really simulates Boost well (though obviously -Boost- would have simulated it better...). My guess here would be Refia is intended to be a BlackBelt/Ranger crossclass.

While I'm not really sold on the choices of jobs for each PC (Luneth Warrior, Arc WhiteSummoner, Ingus Knight, Refia Blackbelt/Ranger), if these are the jobs intended, then at least DeNA pretty accurately portrayed them while making solid gameplay builds. Except for Luneth's Spellblade but oh well.

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The FF4 cast is actually perfect both flavor-wise and balance-wise (now that they've patched them a few times). Dark Knight Cecil even got a Darkness skillset! Along with all of the antagonist characters that got released as PCs, including ones like Edea. I'm a bit sad that Palom and Porom didn't get any kind of real Twin Magic mechanic, just some animation nods in their SBs. Missed opportunity.

I do want to point out that I'm particularly pleased that Rydia gets WHM 2 and Rosa gets Celerity 1 since those add very little to their playability, but they make complete sense to toss in just for flavor. Child Rydia started FF4 with a handful of White Magic spells before specializing as a Black Mage as she grew up. And Rosa's signature skill was Aim, which she gets from Celerity 1, despite how useless it is. Nice touch, DeNA!

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The FF5 cast is kind of similar to FF3, having a lot of skillset flexibility in their home game. Lenna and Galuf obviously were assigned the White Mage and Monk jobs and tend to exemplify them. Though oddly Lenna and Faris get Dancer abilities. Perhaps as a nod to FFT where only females could access the Dancer class? It's universal in FF5, Bartz can dance like the rest of them, but I suppose the royal sisters could be seen as good dancers, so it's only a bit of stretch. Bartz is, as usual, a mish-mash of things. Mostly he seems to be a Mystic Knight (Spellblade) based on his SBs and skillset, with Thief as a secondary. Krile is a straightforward Black Mage/Summoner, though she has an unused Beastmaster sprite (which is adorable).

Faris is probably the most interesting one, having a very weird weapon selection (Swords alongside Instruments, Bows, Whips, and Thrown) and a wide collection of abilities. Dancer 4 I can see since she has that sorta-famous scene where she has to dance at her coronation. Although it's notable that she says she doesn't like it. Thief makes the most flavor sense seeing as how she's spent her life as a pirate, though it does become a little redundant with Bartz. Still, makes a nice skillset combination with Support and Celerity, which makes me feel like she's cross-classing in Ranger. Oddly enough, she has an unused sprite where she's dressed as a Summoner.
And Gilgamesh can do basically all the physical jobs because why not?

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The FF6 cast is a case where characters do fit their original game's flavor well but they all kind of end up lackluster. Locke's a Thief (with Celerity too at least!), Sabin does Monk, Shadow does Ninja, Cyan's a Samurai, Gau only has Combat/Celerity. Strago/Relm/Gau are kind of hurt by RK's lack of Blue Magic since all of them have a decent claim to using enemy skills. Terra and Celes are great versatile units and probably the closest thing this game has to proper Red Mages. I want to point out that Mog is another example of DeNA getting it right on Flavor/Balance by making him a Dancer but with a few levels in Dragoon because he was one of the best characters in FF6 to use the Dragoon skills due to his semi-unique ability to equip Spears. And then Edgar (the other spear-user) was an example of DeNA missing that opportunity, but since they added in Machinist skills, his kit actually suits him quite well. Setzer is kind of an odd choice for a Machinist/Support, but I suppose that lines up kind of well with his luck-based unique skills from FF6? I'm not really sure what else they would do with him, and they realized that his skills didn't fit into the RK design and were nice enough to give him his own unique weapon type to acknowledge it, I suppose? I'm really not sure what else they could have done with him? Maybe give him a rank in Samurai since that's usually where the GilToss ability is? (But GilToss will never be in FFRK, at least not with how it functions in FF6.)

Kefka is a Bard/Dancer. I have no clue why, but he's not a PC originally, so I suppose they can just make whatever they want? He gets the Darkness skillset because... villain? Not sure anything about Dark Knight skills really reflect Kefka, so I can't complain about giving him a skillset that's pretty much entirely for flavor!

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FF7 is where things start getting weird. You'd think it'd be easier to make explanations for how PCs get weird skillset combinations in FF7 due to its materia system, but there's a lot more going on here. First of all, in FF7, all PCs have a set weapon type, so the multiple weapons available to most of the cast is kind of odd. At least Cloud uses a Sword and Katanas are still technically a kind of sword. But why is Yuffie able to use Katanas? Because she's a Ninja and that's 'close enough' to Samurai? Also, why can she use Bows? Actually, Yuffie's just the worst offender here, getting Dancer added to her kit recently. There's not even any dancing-themed skills in FF7 that I can recall. Cait Sith has some bard-like things, but that's a different skillset entirely in FFRK (and also Cait hasn't been released at the time of this writing). Surprisingly, apart from the very physically-themed
Cloud/Tifa/Zack/Cid, everyone in the FF7 cast can use at least Black Magic 2, which nicely reflects how the FF7 materia system works. I do kind of wish they'd extended it to include the whole cast, even if they just handed them BLM 1, especialy since Cloud himself starts the game with a handful of green materia. Instead, Cloud gets Spellblade, which is hardly his signature ability in anything, but at least Green Materia + Added Effect can replicate the Spellblade Skills. He also gets Samurai, which is more Sephiroth's forte, but since it's such a great skillset, I'm sure they gave it to him for unbalance reasons.

Barret currently is just a Support 5 with a unique ranged relic, but at least later on he gets Machinist and that suits his flavor and balances him nicely.

Aerith started out as a great white mage with some utility secondaries like Support and Black Magic, but then DeNA handed her Summoning 5. I suppose to allow her to keep up with the White Summoners from FF9/10? She can technically use summons in FF7 through Red materia, though since she's a temp she'll never be able to use the highest level summons, so Summon 5 seems like an odd addition flavor-wise. I suppose you could make the argument she 'summoned holy', so she's clearly a skilled summoner, but I think that just makes her a better white mage really?

Notably, both Aerith and Red XIII have abilities from the Enemy Skill (Blue Magic) materia as Soul Breaks. I think it'd be interesting if/when Blue Magic gets added into the game if they were given a few levels in it as if they were equipping the E.Skill materia.

Vincent is a Black Summoner with a gun. This works fine, but it really kind of ignores his transformation limits, which were his most prominent trait. Even his Record Materia and SBs seem to ignore it, which is really unusual given that Vincent was introduced after BSSBs, which would be the perfect way to implement that aspect of his character. (As it would for Terra's and Zidane's Trance states, too.) He gets the Darkness skillset too, which is good for flavor since he used to work for Shinra. Though oddly, Reno does -not- get this option.

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For FF8, one thing about weapons I noticed was that at this point, there's enough characters in the series that use Gunblades that they could probably have made them their own weapon type like Katanas. Squall/Seifer/Laguna/Lightning is already as many options as like Whips or Blitzballs. Also, the cast apart from Zell all have base levels of White and Black Magic, which nicely relates to how they can all draw magic using their GFs, a much-appreciated nod to flavor that FF7 missed. I still kind of wish Zell could use even 1-star magic to complete the flavor, though I suppose you could argue that he's just not the magic-using type ever? Oddly, I think it would have made more sense for them all to get a base level of Summoning instead due to how they all literally need GFs to get -any- of their skills outside of Limits.

For Squall, Spellblade makes even more sense for him than Cloud due to junctioning elements to weapons being much more common of a build than Added Cut. Rinoa makes a great Sorceress, but I'm confused why she's the only one with Summoning (recently added). I suppose it's for balance purposes, but you could also make the argument that the Sorceress Ultimecia (from whom Rinoa got her powers) had the powerful GF Griever at her disposal so I guess she could have a stronger connection to Summoning than the others if you squint?
Irvine I've already talked about, but seriously why doesn't the Sniper get Aim NOR any of the Machinist "X Shot" skills? They could seriously have just tossed Celerity or Machinist 1 on him for flavor.

I do want to note how much I appreciate that Seifer got Knight 5 though, given his title is "The Sorceress' Knight". It even makes for a fairly niche build, and he's the only Knight with FF8 RS. Also due to being a villain, he has the Knight AND Dark Knight skillset.

Edea's weaponset is perfect: Thrown really takes advantage of the large number of FF8 magic chakrams in FFRK, but also relates to how Rinoa (and Ultimecia in Dissidia) also use that weapon-type and shows off their connection from the FF8 storyline. But I am a little annoyed she didn't get -any- levels in White or Summoning. Especially considering she uses quite a few White Spells (Dispel, Reflect) famously and the previous note on Sorceresses and GFs. She gets the new Darkness skillset, because -villain- though it's just flavor from what I can tell. I don't think it will compliment her build much at all though at least she can use those Chakram for physical damage that registers?

The last elephant to talk about is that Quistis still doesn't have Blue Magic, and for balance purposes she really needs it.

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The FF9 cast is probably my favorite in terms of properly representing their PCs. They had a lot of flavor and gameplay mechanics to work with and they frankly did an excellent job implementing both. The only mildly odd one is Eiko, who got both White 5 AND Summon 5. She's the better White Mage (with Trance Double White which I'm still hoping will be her next RM), whereas Garnet was the superior Summoner. Garnet only had White 4 so it seems logical that Eiko should reflect this with merely Summon 4. It's not a huge balance change either way but it would have been a nice flavor decision. Eiko also oddly got Bard 4. It's a nice balance choice and since she uses Flutes I'm totally okay with it from a flavor perspective and since Bard is mostly support skills anyway it kind of reflects Eiko's in-game performance but still a little surprising. I suppose they just needed more Bards. Better than when they handed out Dance to Yuffie randomly.

Other things of note is that Zidane got Knight 3 due to his unique Protect Girls passive, Steiner got Spellblade but only half way to max skill level because he's only half of the FF9 Spellblade duo, and Amarant got no Ninja levels despite having Throw in FF9 but instead they gave him Thrown weapon type which is actually pretty brilliant considering that he's not Ninja like in the slightest outside of that throw ability. Just lots of Flavorful fridge brilliance in this cast. Quina still wants Blue Magic but otherwise my favorite translation.

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In FFX, characters have a set base sphere grid with "their" skills but they can eventually cross class into other characters skillsets. This isn't represented much in FFRK but it still holds up well flavor and gameplay wise. They've also started adding FFX2 content which makes Yuna and Rikku pretty open to diverse options.

The thing about FFRK is that the two nonstandard skillsets, Celerity and Support, are basically ripped directly from Tidus and Wakka's sphere grids. Like there's no class name for what Tidus and Wakka do in FFX and the archetypes are relatively uncommon in the series, but DeNA basically created the Celerity and Support skillsets around these two, with a little flavor from other jobs like Ranger thrown in. Oddly though, some of Auron's skills ended up in Support but he doesn't get them in FFRK. Probably the biggest complaint I have about the FFX cast.

Rikku gets a lot of weird things in FFRK, but then she had a weird collection of skills in FFX as well, plus FFX2 means she could technically use just about any job. The Thief and Machinist stuff make perfect sense but Bard and Dancer are odd. I guess she's using the Songstress job from FFX2?

Kimahri of course, kinda sucks. But then he did in FFX as well. He really wants that Blue Magic skillset for balance purposes.

Jecht is cool for reflecting his FFX self AND his Dissidia self. In Dissidia he had a lot of punch based skills and had the Kaiser Knuckles as a unique weapon so him getting Monk skills alongside the sword combat skills makes sense. Special note that I think it's awesome that DeNA decided to expand the users of Blitzballs to four of the FFX cast. Really makes that weapon type more useful. It is an odd choice that they also gave all of those PCs Thrown access as well though... I guess it makes sense from a flavor perspective but it kind of diminishes the usefulness of Blitzballs. It would be more interesting if it was the only ranged option for certain PCs.

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FF12 seems to have its own theme going on too. Most of this cast has a very diverse equipment set. This nicely reflects how the license grid worked, where any character could essentially equip anything. Balthier and Fran specialize the most due to being obviously Gun and Bow oriented but even they have a decent array of options. I think it's a bit of a missed opportunity that Penelo doesn't get access to instruments though.

Skill wise the cast is less true to flavor. Some things are completely accurate like Penelo's Dancer 5, Vaan and Balthier getting Thief, Fran having access to Black Magic just like she started with in FF12.

But then there's things like Ashe being a primary Black Mage with some minor White Magic 3 and Support 4. Sure you can make her this in FF12, but it's not really suggested that's her main role. She starts with a longsword and some low level white magic. She also gets the awesome king's greatsword later in the game, so her being a sword girl works well. In her Revenant Wings appearance, she got a bunch of time magic like Slowga and Comet alongside ranged weapons. She gets Bows and Guns though I think Thrown would have fit better based on her RW build. Still, her current incarnation isn't too bad of a translation but it could be a little more focused.

Balthier getting Spellblade is an odd choice. FF12 doesn't really have anything like Spellblade so it's an odd addition. I suspect it was added to him for balance purposes, since he was lacking in a solid secondary skillset at first. And then Thief and Machinist came along and his skillset just bloated. I'm glad he has those since they fit his Sky Pirate job orientation well but I guess he's also getting a bonus Spellblade skillset. The extra skillset doesn't bother me as much as if they had say, neglected to give him the obviously-well-fitting Machinist skillset. Additionally, I suspect the reason he got Combat 5 instead of Celerity 5 was because A.) Fran was the speedy archer so high celerity there made more sense, and B.) Balthier gets Barrage and Tri-Shot as part of his innate skillsets in Tactics and RW, so he needed to be able to get Barrage in RK. Good flavor choices DeNA, but I still can't find any justification for Spellblade in any of his appearances...

Vaan, Penelo, Fran, and Basch are all basically ripped straight from their Revenant Wings builds so I have no complaints there. I would like to see Fran get one more level in Black Magic but it's not a dealbreaker. And Basch doesn't really have any good reason to have Samurai, it certainly can be done in FF12 and it suits him from a gameplay balance perspective. He's basically the tankier version of Gilgamesh.

One last thing of note is that, like FF6, everyone in this game can Summon and no one has any special claim to being 'the summoner' or even any particular ties to specific summons. If they make Dr. Cid a PC, then he'll have some claim to the Esper Famfrit, so he'd make a good Summoner option for 12. But otherwise, the Espers play a pretty major role in the game, and are the entire point of the game in FF12 Revenant Wings, with literally every character using summons as their mook units for RTS gameplay. It seems ill-fitting that no one in 12 has summons.

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FF13 is a bit of an odd one. The game has to balance the new "Paradigm system" with the standard FF archetypes. For example, Fang is clearly modeled after a dragoon - lances, the highwind ability, her unique summon is a dragon. But her actual in-game forte is Saboteur/Sentinel/Commando, which doesn't really fit any of FFRK's archetypes. Additionally, each of the FF13 cast can use their specific Summon (Eidolon), which would imply that they should all get Summon, though that doesn't really work for balance reasons, not to mention that some of their Summons aren't even in FFRK.

Lightning translates really well. Her primary setup of Commando/Ravager/Medic is reflected in her Combat 5, Spellblade4+Black3, and White 2. I suppose she got Celerity 4 to represent her ranged weapon. She's not the best healer in FF13, so White 2 is fine, though I'd personally like to see her get a higher level of it so that her healing can at least register. Or perhaps buff her MND? Ravager is the elemental paradigm role - both magic and physical. Lightning skews towards the physical elemental strikes so her getting Spellblade is a perfect fit. The only complaint is that most of the other characters get Ravager as well, so the cast should be getting more Spellblade levels than it does. Especially since FF13 is the game that really pushed the Spellblade abilities. I'm also a little sad that she doesn't get Summon 5 so she can use Odin, her personal Eidolon, but that might be a bit much balance-wise? Though honestly, it would work out anyway. Her MND and MAG stats are too low to really make much use of Summons. Except of course, Odin's Instant Death which doesn't rely on her stats. It wouldn't functionally change her build at all, it would just be a nice nod to flavor.

For Snow I want to applaud DeNA. His original build was both crappy for balance reasons and crappy for not properly conveying Snow's FF13 build. With the balance update, Snow became a Monk/Knight, which is basically what his FF13 self was: Sentinel/Commando/Ravager. Well, except that they forgot he should be getting Spellblades. Seriously, Snow without Froststrike feels weird. Or it would, but they at least gave it to him as a Soul Break, so here's your applause. Though I still think even Spellblade 2 for Blizzard Strike would have been more appropriate. They -do- give him Celerity 2, which is enough for him to use the mostly-useless Wind Slash, which is functionally a weak spellblade skill and is one of the elements he has access to in FF13. There's definitely some fridge brilliance in his design, though honestly it sounds like they were just trying really hard not to give him spellblade?

Vanille is Ravager/Medic/Saboteur, making her a mage/healer/debuff archetype. Her FFRK Black/White build reflects this mostly but doesn't give her any debuffing options. Instead she gets Summon 3. And she's one of the few FF13 PCs whose Eidolon isn't even available in FFRK! I do hope she they make an Earth-based 3-star summon and it's Hecatoncheir so at least -one- of the FF13 PCs can use their signature Eidolon...

Sazh in FF13 is Commando/Ravager/Synergist - so he's all about buffing. He gets Support 5 and White 3 to reflect this. Notably he gets the magic half of Ravager with Black 3, but no Spellblade which would have actually been a huge boost to him. He instead got Machinist 5, which is the gun-flavored skills despite him not really getting anything like that in FF13. He was at least capable of getting the Saboteur skills so it's still fitting overall, though honestly Vanille/Fang (innate Saboteurs) would have been better fits gameplaywise for Machinist's status effect-heavy skill collection.

Hope got special magic-boosting boomerangs, which is just a cool niche. He's also an accurately-portrayed Red Mage-type. Whereas Vanille had Medic, pure healing, and White 5' Hope has Synergist, mostly buffs, and merely White 4. Their Black magic levels are reversed for balance, though honestly they are both good at elemental magic damage in FF13. Notably, Hope is decent at the physical elemental damage Ravager options, meaning he should -also- have probably gotten some levels in Spellblade. And most egregiously, he only has Summon 3, merely one level away from being able to summon Alexander, his signature Eidolon. This is one of the worst choices and I can't even tell why they did this. There aren't any other FF13 summoners to compete with, why not make him at least useful at it?

I talked about Fang a little bit already, but I actually think Fang is a case of FFRK taking liberties and getting it -right-. She's clearly designed to be a dragoon, but there's no dragoon abilities in FF13, so she's the more basic Commando/Sentinel/Saboteur archetype. Her debuffing Saboteur abilities really stand out, and she's notably the only PC without innate Ravager (read: Spellblades). But DeNA decided to go ahead and make her a Dragoon 5, but supplemented with some status effects from Support 3 and Celerity 4. Combat 5 nicely encapsulates her Commando role, and while she could use Sentinel, it didn't really define her. Also, perhaps Knight/Dragoon is a somewhat oppositional set of abilities? Another missed opporunity not giving her Summon 5, which would let her use Bahamut but not really effect her build otherwise since she doesn't have the magic stat to make use of the other Summons. Maybe she'll get an SB with it somewhere along the way.

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FF14 I don't really know much about other than Y'shtola is in fact a White Mage/Conjurer and that Thancred's class isn't really clearly defined so his FFRK build is fine, if a bit weird.

FF Tactics gives us Ramza, who more than any of the other job-system characters, seems to be crossclassing like a fiend. Support and Combat embody most of his innate Squire skillset, but he also gets Knight, Ninja, and Bard! Three classes he totally -could- get in FFT. Bard is notable for being only accessible to male PCs, so it makes for a nice nod to give it to the main FFT PC. Knight and Ninja are solid physical jobs as well, and ones that make sense for a typical FFT build. It's also nice that they finally gave someone Instruments who can genuinely make use of them as Long Range damage weapons. Good choice for balance.

Agrias, conversely, only gets swords, just like how in FFT she needed a sword to use her special skillset. Combat, Spellblade, and Knight nicely cover Holy Sword's abilities, but they also toss some White Magic at her to make her the top Paladin in FFRK! With as well as they're making these FFT characters, I hope DeNA decides to make more from this realm!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 05, 2015, 06:57:26 AM
Thancred's clearly a Rogue/Ninja based off post 2.0 content.  The situation is this:

In FF14 1.0, he was called a "Bard" but more in the sense that he was a ladies man who liked to smooth talk and such, not so much how he fights.  The only fighting he does in 1.0 near as I can tell involved a fight with Gaius and the other Scions where he throws a knife, and the fight with the Gobbue where he doesn't do any aggressive actions, more just acts as bait.

When ARR kicked off, they didn't have the Rogue class (and by extension, Ninja job), so they had to supplement somehow during his Allied NPC sections in Ul'dah arc, so they just made him a Gladiator since that's the closest you can get to daggers and such, and I think they gave him a sword model that was smaller.  When the post 2.0 content dropped and Rogue became a thing, they went out of their way to establish that Thancred was indeed that, showing his fighting style was very similar to Yugiri, who is a straight up Ninja.   Since then, he's been pretty consistently portrayed in that manner, though possible he pops up again in 3.1 storyline and I really need to get to that <_< >_>

His skillset in RK is...eh. 3 out of 4 make sense.  Bard is obviously a jab at the whole title he gets, Celerity because he's a speed based fighter, and Support because they sometimes just toss Support 3 on the most random characters I feel (and Combat doesn't quite fit.)  He really needs to have Thief 5 as opposed to Ninja 5 since he's clearly intended to be a Rogue, and not a Ninja; they specify that Yugiri's fighting style is unique and not seen in Eorzea before, though Thancred's is comparable (suggesting that Thancred isn't a Ninja, but a Rogue.)  His weapons are meant to reflect the 3 classes he's associated with in FF14: Swords for his original Gladiator distinction (which was more out of necessity), Daggers because everyone gets it though his Relic weapon is a Dagger, so clearly meant to acknowledge his Rogue self, and Bows because that's what Bards used in FF14.


For that matter, Y'shtola's about as accurate as you'll get.  White 5 goes without saying, Black 3 references that FF14 White Mage DOES have a fair amount of elemental spells (and a few cross class skills); it's not your typical FF Offensive magic, but really there's nothing else that'll fit and the Dia series wouldn't be enough, so her getting access to Agas I think is a fair compromise; also covers a few status aspects that FF14 White Mages could handle like Sleep.  Support 4...well Breakdowns don't really fit, but "can hit status effects" is something White Mages were fully capable of, so I guess that can pass.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 05, 2015, 08:37:49 AM
I think Luneth getting spellblade makes sense in a very round about way.  FFIIIDS gave us Dark Knights, but the NES game had that class as Mystic Knights (or to that effect), who were basically the counterpart to regular Knights, an armor class that could use low-level black magic.  FFV gave us Mystic Knights as RK understands them, people that swing magic-enhanced swords at people, but I think FFV's incarnation was an evolution of that core idea from FFIII.  So having someone from FFIII represent  the seed of that idea is kinda neat.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 05, 2015, 11:34:38 AM
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 05, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
I think Luneth getting spellblade makes sense in a very round about way.  FFIIIDS gave us Dark Knights, but the NES game had that class as Mystic Knights (or to that effect), who were basically the counterpart to regular Knights, an armor class that could use low-level black magic.  FFV gave us Mystic Knights as RK understands them, people that swing magic-enhanced swords at people, but I think FFV's incarnation was an evolution of that core idea from FFIII.  So having someone from FFIII represent  the seed of that idea is kinda neat.

FF3o's Magic Knight (the job that became Dark Knight in FF3DS) actually was able to use low level White Magic.  Yes, the job that is in big dark armor, wielding Dark Swords, whose first equipment set is "Demon Armor" and such...gets White Magic. 

I don't think the Mystic Knight really had much to do with the FF3o Magic Knight since the concepts are so wildly different.  I think Luneth getting spellblade may just be because FF3 has a lot of elemental weapons early game, in a game where basic physicals (or variants there of like Advance) and they wanted to capture that in some regard.  Also, it tends to be a running trend that Main Characters get arbitrary perks that aren't necessarily out of character, but juts kind of done for the sake of making them look cooler, Luneth's spellblade I can just pretend is exactly that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 05, 2015, 02:32:11 PM
Sigh is a noteworthy move in the rush.

...You didn't Intimidate him into submission?

Involves bringing a character with Support 3 and I didn't feel like changing my party.

EDIT:

Quote from: Zenny
Bayb give me more arithmetics
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 05, 2015, 02:55:47 PM
Quote from: Snow
Quote from: Zenny
Bayb give me more arithmetics

p much

super busy over the last couple of days, super hungover today. did a bunch of farming. Gotta go through the FF8 fights tomorrow I guess. Maybe it's just because I'm exhausted and ill and all that but my giving a shit muscle is pretty dead right now. I probably won't quit the game and be all dramatic like last time but if I don't beat the Disciplinary Crew or get to the Calamity + fight I'm probably just gonna let that slide.

EDIT: Plus side, I now live in the age of R2 Meteo. Barts and Shitbrat are also now L65 and level broken, So I should be getting Dr. Mog's Teachings and Dualcast Spellblade sometime soon. Apparently I also crafted Thundaga Strike tp R3 when I was drunk this weekend?  Kinda annoying since Thundaja isn't even R4 yet but oh well. I think I thought it would help me with the Disciplinary Crew, but uhh nobody on my A team can use it. I may have to switch out Zack or Ramza for Bartz for mastery reqs on the disciplinary crew now though so I guess it'll get some use.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 05, 2015, 03:47:25 PM
Quote from: Snow
Quote from: Zenny
Bayb give me more arithmetics

p much

Maybe it's just because I'm exhausted and ill and all that but my giving a shit muscle is pretty dead right now.

if you can't shit then how is either of us going to get off
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 06, 2015, 02:53:58 AM
After beating Yojimbo a bunch with my Auron strats, decided to finally go back to the boss rush to master it.

This time focused mostly on taking as little damage as possible.  Gave Lulu Quake (it's R3 as opposed to Ruinga's R2) to blow up the support, and got Firaga to R5 just in case (Firaja is R2), took Yuna instead of Eiko because the EXP sucks anyway, and had Yuna use Ifrit(R3, Ramuh is R4, but I fgure hitting weakness on Geneaux will offset that especially since Yuna is mostly casting Curaga) instead of Carbuncle, using Celes' Runic RW instead for Gui, and more heavy emphasis on stopping Geneaux from using Sigh, or if he does, keeping him under Magic Breakdown at least.  Wakka dropped Power Breakdown in favor of Tempo Flurry because it's R5, and I need him anyway to bash the head in.

...and I succeeded!  Perfected Echuilles, lost only 2 medals to Geneaux (still championed), and lost 3 medals against Gui since Runic wore off without me noticing and doesn't actually add to offense the way Carbuncle does (even if its just 1000-2000 per Thunder, that's still a plus), as well as leaving too many openings in Gilgamesh's Drawtaliate.  Not that it matters; I did well enough on the other 2 bosses that I mastered ti.  So yeah, event is done outside of Auron beating the shit out of Yojimbo a bunch.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 06, 2015, 02:58:11 AM
Quote from: Djinn
Words words words

This post gave me cancer

Record Keeper character build talk. Incoming Meeple-length rant.

Hey, I posted the proper warning labels, it's not my fault you do things that give you cancer.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 06, 2015, 12:07:13 PM
Welp, got close to taking down the Disciplinary crew then it turns out Zantetsuken Counter is stupid strong. Will probably try again with a protectga SB ribbon on Terra, but latest party was:

Zack (R5Aera Strike, R5Biora Strike)
Ramza (Magic, Power Breakdown)
Terra (R4 Thundaja, R4 Blizzaja)
Mog (Faith, Curaja)
Aerith (Shellga, Curaga)
SG/SRS

Yeah, so I was excited to use my shiny new R2 Meteo only to find out it only dealt 3k each. Not bad, but not particularly good either.

Sounds stupid to say it, especially since now all of my -ajas are R4 or more, but I really should have been investing in spellblades more. Under Mog's buff, Zack's 3* Spellblades are dealing as much as Terra's -ajas under faith, and I wouldn't have to use a skill slot for faith had I prepared for that. I imagine it has a lot to do with Zack's weapon being a post-power creep character relic and Terra's being a generic 5* rod though (Also more rosetta stones put into it, but I don't know exactly how much that increases the main stat on the weapon.

Ah well, whatever. I'll try this setup one more time with the protectga ribbon, and if it doesn't work I give up. It is OK to not clear all content, Zenny.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 07, 2015, 11:39:26 AM
Bartz's Dualcast Spellblade RM dropped this morning during farming (along with 1 MFO and 1 MEO in the first 90 stamina. Suck it) so I decided to pump him full of Eggs (L79), hone some Spellblades and try the Disciplinary Crew again. Came reaaaally close but eventually just had to accept that I did not have enough damage to off him. Setup was

Zack (R5Aera Strike, R5Bio Strike), Start Sap Damage 1.2x
Bartz (R4Biora Strike, R3Thundaga Strike), Dualcast SpB, Protectga SB
Terra (Thundaja, Blizzaja), Dualcast BM
Mog (Faith, Curaga), Mako Wish Foundation
Aeris (Shellga, Curaja), Increased SB Gauge
SG

Sooooooo damn close. With this setup, Fujin goes down EZ before SG wears off the first time, and SG wears off the second time shortly before I kill Raijin. The ideal solution here is I craft Bioga and hone it to R3, which... I do have the orbs for, but for the first time since september I actually don't have the Gil for! Yaaaaaay! Fortunately the event ends Friday, after WednesdayGilday, so I can probably do that then.

One other thing I've come to realize is that I should probably get my mages some Magic Damage up materias. In this case, it doesn't matter for her, but wow Dualcast is inefficient if you're not nearing the damage cap or stat softcap. When I first tried I threw the RM on Zack, and his damage decreased from 8000 buffed on a weakness to 6200 buffed on a weakness.

Dualcast would have to go off once every four times to break even with this, and while it does do so frequently (ish), it's still RNG dependent and in this case often lobsided. Yeah, Dualcast went off 3 times against Fujin, but then never against Raijin, when I frankly needed it to go off on him since Terra cannot hit a weakness on him with this setup.

Terra, fortunately, deals 9k or so hitting a weakness, so it only has to go off once every 9 turns to be the better option (it is significantly less rare than that), but this does bring into perspective why Meteo was such hot garbage against them the first time I tried the fight on Sunday. I'm sure it would be hitting a fair deal harder than 4400 per target per cast (after Faith) if I had a MAG increase RM.

Another, more resource friendly tact I could take, is dust off Gilgamesh, and put Ice jump and Wind jump on him. This would net me all mastery reqs, make Raijin easier to kill (while making Fujin harder), and open me up a slot for Break Fever or something else on Mog. Mm. Decisions. I kinda already blew a lot of stamina on this fight since I thought the event was ending today, so my patience for experimenting is getting lower. Still, that's not a bad alternative (assuming his damage is worth it... curse my lack of offensive character relics).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 07, 2015, 11:44:49 AM
Close to completing all of DU15's dungeons on Elite. FF3 Leviathan is an ugly, ugly slugfest that took me all charges of Dispel at -R4- because double-acting + Haste-spamming is horrifying on a 140 Difficulty mage boss with high 2HKO damage before mitigation applies. He's not resistant to Breaks, which means Full Break + Magic Breakdown badly neuters his offense even before SG/SSII and Shellga (to give you an idea, under -all- mitigation, his Tsunami was dealing double-digit damage), but you simply can't take the fight lightly - your Dispel PC should ALWAYS be at the ready for dispelling his ass. The petrify odds on his physical are -very- bad, though, so Dr. Mog once again is high on drugs when recommending Esuna: bring Dispel instead, Leviathan doesn't even physical very often. Regardless, R2 Full Break's already paying off big time as it goes.

By comparison, Shinobi is hilariously chumpy: Draw Fire + defending completely trivializes both his offense and status whoring due to forced focus. Not much to say about Dragon other than hey, Tidus' Slice & Dice pretty legit post-Bravery and Full Break. There's not a whole lot to say about FF9's dungeons either: elemental and status weakness does bring them down considerably. Valia Pira in particular gets owned hardcore by Reflect + Magic Lure as long as you bring even one FF9 PC, and it's even vulnerable to Sleep.

One other thing I've come to realize is that I should probably get my mages some Magic Damage up materias. In this case, it doesn't matter for her, but wow Dualcast is inefficient if you're not nearing the damage cap or stat softcap. When I first tried I threw the RM on Zack, and his damage decreased from 8000 buffed on a weakness to 6200 buffed on a weakness.

Dualcast would have to go off once every four times to break even with this, and while it does do so frequently (ish), it's still RNG dependent and in this case often lobsided. Yeah, Dualcast went off 3 times against Fujin, but then never against Raijin, when I frankly needed it to go off on him since Terra cannot hit a weakness on him with this setup.

Which magic-boosting RMs do you have, anyway? If you're far from ramming the damage cap, Vivi's second RM (Devotion) is hands down the best, +20% Mag translates to roughly 35% more magical damage that stacks with the likes of Faith and Mana's Paean. Impetuous Youth (Eiko) and Vow of Vengeance (Ashe) are more subtle (17%~ damage increase), but still worthwhile, Vow of Vengeance being particularly nice due to lowering Attack - i.e. the historically acknowledged dump stat for any mage worth his/her salt. I wish I knew whether Rinoa's second RM raises the magic -stat- or magic -damage-, since that's a pretty important distinction and the game has RMs covering both spectrums, but that's not a bad target to shoot for either if you have the spare character/MC crystals.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on December 07, 2015, 01:51:03 PM
I think a better strategy for LEVIATHAN, LEVIATHAN! would be to cast Reflect on Him, then he bounces all his hastes and Protects back. I didn't even think about it until after I beat him, but that would have made things a lot less of a headache.

You just have to do some S/Ling at the start if he decides to haste himself, I suppose.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 07, 2015, 01:53:43 PM
Reflect is good against the buffing if you're running a physical party and you can choose between that and Dispel as well. I find Dispel to be more practical if you're running mixed, though, since it doesn't involve counter-reflecting shenanigans.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 07, 2015, 02:06:27 PM
I looked it up, I do have Devotion, in addition to Kefka's Lunatic Wizard RM. Devotion being a 37% Increase may in fact make it worth trying to take them down with Meteo instead of Thundaja. But in fact, I currently have a better use for it...!

Prepping to take down the  凶+ sand worm fuckers before the event ends in midnight. Did the beginner's draw for Bartz' Air Knife (incidentally, got an FF13 synergy Dagger with a Protectga SB, and a Fira SB FFIX synergy robe. Nice), slapped together this team:

Zack (Dual Delay, Indoor Spell), Dragoon Commitment
Bartz (R1Tornado Strike, R5Aera Strike) Attunement 2
Terra (R4Ruinga, Meteo), Devotion
Mog (Faith, Curaga), Power of Mako
Aeris (Shellga, Curaga), Actions -> Increase SB gauge
Lunatic High RW

can you tell i have the rm excel doc open

So with this setup, on the bright side my issue is no longer Sandstorm. Bartz with Wind attacks + Air Knife + Attunement wrecks shit, and Devotion brings Meteo from "I waited for THIS?" to "HOO-AH, I'M PEGGY HILL." Theorhetically, Dual Cast would be nice here, due to how the adds have a chance to damage the boss with each hit they take, but then I'm not guaranteed to kill everything before the first sandstorm and fuck that.  However, my survivability is pretty bad, especially when he gets spammy with his MT towards the end. Sighhhh, I guess I'm just going to have to bring SG into this fight. One more S/L though, I got time.

... Aaaand y'done. Mastered. Haha, suck it, game I didn't know about until last week! Also, second 凶+ Mastery.

Devotion made all the difference there, though to be honest I still couldn't have done it without Bartz's Air Knife SB. Since Bartz looks like he's going to be my main Spellblade caster for a while, I am OK with doing that Gacha. I will be a little disappointed if a SG relic comes up for Gacha before I can build up another 50 mythril though.

Back to the Disciplinary Crew, not convinced that swapping Thundaja for Meteo and putting on Devotion is worth it, primarily because I'm so close to the damage cap when hitting weakness. Honestly, since I know I have until Friday before the event ends, I'm probably just going to go with my original plan: Hone Bioga to R3 (especially since I netted the Major Blacks from the collab event), retry. I honestly think taking Raijin down that much more quickly is going to be what does it. I do also now have an SB that hits his weakness, though honestly those bars should still probably be used for Protectga at that stage of the fight regardless. Mmph.

Also, from the looks of the excel doc, it says that Rinoa's RM2 is 1.15x Damage with Black Magic as opposed to 1.15xMAG, whereas Devotion and Obnoxious Brat are specifically MATK.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 07, 2015, 03:30:27 PM
Done with DU15, currently sitting at 97 Mythril. Behemoth wasn't too bad even though I derped and brought elemental damage to him (it actually kinda didn't matter much with Full Break and Mental Breakdown, Lulu was hitting for 7-8k a pop of Firaja -after- resistance post-breaks, Yuna hit for 5k with Diaga and I packed Tidus for Venom Buster and Slice & Dice, so no real risk of running out of resources). Not much left but farming orbs until Shadow event goes live tomorrow. Hopefully, this week we'll have Global's Rift of Recollection banners datamined as well. Seriously can't wait until Faris/Krile event shows up and 凶 fights kick in, I'm curious to see how I fare against Exdeath.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 07, 2015, 07:03:14 PM
I beat a hard-tier daily dungeon! Had three people dead when it happened and missed the Champion tier, but I still got a bunch of drops so I'll take it. Got 112 mithril built up, too, so I'm biding my time for a banner that matches my needs/roster more closely. Or just another 50% off sale.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 07, 2015, 07:10:43 PM
My dire lack of FFX gear prompted me to blow a full 11 pull on this banner (dropping me to 0 mythril with Rift looming, because I had the same damn problem in the last event.  THAT ended with drawing a generic fist... which is actually my only 5 star fist.  And distressingly made Amarant the star of that event's dungeons.  Fucking AMARANT man.)
Got Lulu's Hairpin!
And nothing else.
The game continues its long, proud tradition of giving me shit that's useful but not what I actually need when I pull.

Thank god the next event is FFVI where I could not draw at all and have a party mostly full of blue glows.  Double good if speculations that Sephiroth's banner is bumping ahead of Rift hold true.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 07, 2015, 10:29:19 PM
Man, I'd totally trade my Thief Blade, Lightning Steel and Gold Bangle from the last pulls for the hairpin.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 07, 2015, 10:44:28 PM
If you try to take my Charizard I'll throw your Exodia in the water.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 08, 2015, 11:15:08 AM
Shadow event announced yesterday, bonus quests released and completed for Greater Growth Eggs. What's the freaking point of making a character quest for Cyan that appears only two dungeons before you can recruit him on the story updates? Seriously, DeNa.

In more useless news, I crafted Flare.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 08, 2015, 01:09:40 PM
Exodia in the water.

Starring M Night Shamalan as a down on his luck Magic Player whose underappreciated MAD SKILLZ will change the world

Farm farm farm. No majors today, but plenty of Greaters, and my greater Strengths no longer feel like wastes but instead integral pieces of a puzzle I need. Considering farming Thursday as well as I transition to beefing up my physical characters instead of relying on Mages who are awesome but don't synergize well with Mog. Getting -aga Strikes to R3+ seems like the first order of business since they have the highest mults with Weakness, then Pound (maybe 2) for non-weaknesses and then another Indoor Spell in that order. Dismissal would be neat if I didn't have two Dismissal SBs that are waaaaaay more accurate than Dismissal itself.

But then I have no idea when I'd actually do events now that I need to farm gil on Wednesdays. DeNAAAAAAAAAA. 

I should make a probability table telling me exactly how much stamina to spend each day for what orbs I need and how much I can spare on events and dungeons and then follow it religiously.

Nah. Haha that'd be crazy tho. (pst someone get MC addicted to this game pls)

On another note, even selling all of my 3*/+/+ equips I am running into the equipment limit. DOES THIS SPELL THE END FOR ME NOT SPENDING MYTHRIL ON INVENTORY SPACE?

Nah brah turns out synergy accessories literally do not give any benefit over non-synergized relics one star up (EX: 3* Power Wrist is 15 ATK, 20 with Synergy. 4* Muscle Belt is 20, 25 with synergy), so I got rid of my 3* accessories and a bunch of redundant 4*s. I once again have a pretty decent buffer zone for now, and honestly as long as I keep beating 凶 battles I'll eventually have enough stat accessories that I won't really need any 4*s and below for synergy. Do plan on keeping around the status buffer ones for now, for all that they have mattered 0%.

That said I will probably be reaching the limit for abilities soon and yeaaaah then I'm gonna have to blow some mythril just to float all my badass skills.

EDIT:
Shadow event announced yesterday, bonus quests released and completed for Greater Growth Eggs. What's the freaking point of making a character quest for Cyan that appears only two dungeons before you can recruit him on the story updates? Seriously, DeNa.

In more useless news, I crafted Flare.

Craft Flare Strike and get back at me for uselessness breh
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 08, 2015, 03:35:52 PM
Exodia in the water.

Starring M Night Shamalan as a down on his luck Magic Player whose underappreciated MAD SKILLZ will change the world

Farm farm farm. No majors today, but plenty of Greaters, and my greater Strengths no longer feel like wastes but instead integral pieces of a puzzle I need. Considering farming Thursday as well as I transition to beefing up my physical characters instead of relying on Mages who are awesome but don't synergize well with Mog. Getting -aga Strikes to R3+ seems like the first order of business since they have the highest mults with Weakness, then Pound (maybe 2) for non-weaknesses and then another Indoor Spell in that order. Dismissal would be neat if I didn't have two Dismissal SBs that are waaaaaay more accurate than Dismissal itself.

But then I have no idea when I'd actually do events now that I need to farm gil on Wednesdays. DeNAAAAAAAAAA. 

I should make a probability table telling me exactly how much stamina to spend each day for what orbs I need and how much I can spare on events and dungeons and then follow it religiously.

Nah. Haha that'd be crazy tho. (pst someone get MC addicted to this game pls)

On another note, even selling all of my 3*/+/+ equips I am running into the equipment limit. DOES THIS SPELL THE END FOR ME NOT SPENDING MYTHRIL ON INVENTORY SPACE?

(...)

That said I will probably be reaching the limit for abilities soon and yeaaaah then I'm gonna have to blow some mythril just to float all my badass skills.

310 inventory slots and 170 ability slots here and counting. I was running out of space every so often with 250 slots.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 08, 2015, 03:40:38 PM
Man, I guess im.just unlucky. Ff3 leviathan hit me with petrify every time I fought him. I s/l literally 10 times before saying fuck it and fighting him with one less character. Did not bring dispel...Elite is gonna be a pain.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 08, 2015, 03:50:40 PM
Yeah Snow no offense but I'm pretty sure you're a hoarder.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 08, 2015, 04:01:24 PM
Yeah Snow no offense but I'm pretty sure you're a hoarder.

More like "I get antsy when there are less than 50 spare slots in my inventory", though hoarding is a part of it. Another part of it is having over 60 5* and above relics (43 of them natural 5*) without even factoring in accessories.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 08, 2015, 07:35:25 PM
Meanwhile, one of the main reasons I'm sitting on 120+ Mithril is because I would have to free up 11 spots in my inventory to do a 50-pull.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 08, 2015, 07:47:40 PM
Man, I find spending Mythril on inventory slots totally worth it. 50 extra slots for a week's worth of daily logins is fine for the QoL involved.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 08, 2015, 10:36:46 PM
Still at 100 inventory spaces, 100 ability spaces.  And there's still some useless accessories I haven't thrown away.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 08, 2015, 11:05:08 PM
Once we get that update that makes materials not take up inventory space I'll be golden, because I have no qualms about chucking useless equipment. It's just that because I have no qualms about chucking useless equipment there's a ton of Adamantite and Scarletite waiting for more 5 star stuff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 09, 2015, 12:15:48 AM
Man I really don't understand how you guys play this game sometimes. I forget just how good I have it with JPs QoL uodates.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 09, 2015, 12:41:26 AM
A healthy mixture of addictive personality traits and relentless self-loathing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 09, 2015, 12:44:15 AM
An exciting blend of Asperger's, Obssessive Compulsive Disorder, Mathematics, and jaded Liberal Arts majors.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 09, 2015, 01:20:10 AM
I love you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 09, 2015, 01:32:06 AM
An exciting blend of Asperger's, Obssessive Compulsive Disorder, Mathematics, and jaded Liberal Arts majors.
I love you.

だって。そうなんだ。すごい、人生はね。
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 09, 2015, 01:54:37 AM
An exciting blend of Asperger's, Obssessive Compulsive Disorder, Mathematics, and jaded Liberal Arts majors.
I love you.

だって。そうなんだ。すごい、人生はね。

its ok bbe we both know you have room for both of us in you
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 09, 2015, 02:12:33 AM
Gaped and ready, m'load.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 09, 2015, 02:23:39 AM
Because . is that so. Wow, life I .

Thanks Google translate.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 09, 2015, 04:07:15 AM
Because . is that so. Wow, life I .

Thanks Google translate.

To be fair there's not a whole lot of meaning in what I actually said either.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 09, 2015, 04:44:58 AM
In other news, Shadow event is not friendly to autobattling.  Now that I have Locke I think I have every character that's been released except Warrior.  I started with Operation Miihen, when Locke event was on its last day.

Also I got Mog's second record materia in literally the first battle after I cap broke him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 09, 2015, 05:37:55 AM
100 Gem pull... oh neat, a 5 star... second Mystery Veil.
Actually that might have been the most useful draw available on the first banner for me.  Heh.

Autobattle involved Cyan and his mighty katana dragging Mog through the event, picking up allies along the way.  Now that the preliminaries are done, Terra is backing up her wayward companions to tackle the Worst Dungeon, because I foolishly did it waaaaay back for Terra's event to nab Sabin and missed the Mastery (and the Stamina within).  So if I'm going to do the god forsaken thing again, may as well get SOMETHING else accomplished.

(And yes I usually strip my party down to criminally underlevelled losers and send them screaming through the autobattle part of events to amuse myself.  Hey, it means they have a jump start on levelling on the off chance I draw their relic or something.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 09, 2015, 12:10:22 PM
Almost done with Shadow event's main battles, just Siegfried left. I beelined for Memory Crystals and got Mog's second RM almost immediately after putting him in the party. At least I now have a new healer to level until Lenna gets her MC2.

Speaking of MCs, worth noting that, besides Firion and Ingus, who were already pre-added as MCable PCs without having their MCs available, Edward is now available as well, which gives credence to the idea that their crystals will be uniformly available on the Rift of Recollection event later this month. I hope they give a few extra empty MC crystals to account for that, at least, though I doubt this will be the case. Also worth noting that all of the relic SBs released on the skipped FF2 and 3 collab events (at least the ones that weren't on the second Soul Breakfast) are now somewhere on the official wiki's database, which gives further credence that they'll be available on SSBreakfast.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 09, 2015, 12:14:00 PM
Disciplinary Crew - Beaten, but not Mastered. I could have S/L'd for a while to try to beat it, but ultimately I forgot to change one thing in my setup from the last time I attempted the fight (Bartz did not have his Wind SB equipped, so Raijin took longer than I wanted him to.). Ideally, I can kill off Fuijin before SG/SRS wears off, then not put it back up until Raijin bites the dust if I have that equipped. Will take some luck, but frankly less luck than trying to Blitz through Zatetsuken Counter and Firaga in Seifer's weak phase. Additionally, Seifer's Weak phase increases his defense by a significant amount, meaning no matter what I do I'm gonna spend longer chipping him down than I do with the other two mooks.

Setup was basically the same as last time with some minor changes, primarily not putting Dualcast on Bartz.

Zack (R5Aera Strike, R5Bio Strike), Start Sap Damage 1.2x (VII Zack's Glove, FFT So Kai Armlet, FFT Ares Zodiac Stone)

Bartz (R4Biora Strike, R3Thundaga Strike), If: Katana, Damage 1.2x, (VII Masamune, IX Strength Ribbon [protectga SB], VII Wolf Pierce)

Terra (R4Bioga, R4Blizzaja), Dualcast BM (VI Flame Rod, VIII Ten Gallon Hat, VII Keroboros Relief)

Mog (Faith, Curaga), Mako Wish Foundation (VI Holy Lance, II White Robe, XII Dr. Cid's Glasses)

Aeris (Shellga, Curaja), Increased SB Gauge (VII Wizard Rod, VI Oath Veil, X Memory Sphere)

Stonera Skin

I mentioned it before, but was unclear because I wasn't referring to WHICH Dualcast RM was shit. Bartz simply doesn't hit close enough to the damage cap for Dualcast Spellblade to be worth it. He deals 7800 damage or so with his spellblades with the Katana damage materia, but that goes down to 6200 (less during the weak phase) with the Dualcast RM, making it need to go off 7800/1600 = 4.85 times a battle to be worth it. By contrast, Terra deals 9000 or so with dualcast, meaning it only has to go off once for it to be worth it. It may be worth looking at Devotion for Seifer's weak phase, but ewww making Terra less durable then sounds awful.

Ideal plan seems to be,

SRS/Sun Bath/Shell/Faith, target down Fuijin.
Protectga, refresh Shellga/Faith/Sunbath before SRS runs out, Fuijin should be dead or dying when this happens. 
Target down Raijin, using Bartz's Wind SB the next time his gauge fills. With luck, this happens like almost immediately. It did on the winning run anyway). Once I'm past this I'm home free, and hopefully two people healing and three people targetting weakness on Raijin should take him down, y'know.
Refresh buffs and SRS, take down Chicken Shit.
Win

Definitely wouldn't be possible without all three of my damage dealers having Bio-typed attacks, being able to target weakness on every Disciplinary Crew member is damn integral to the strategy.

Glanced at Ultima Weapon, I'll give it a couple shots but won't be too worried about finishing it.

Edit, mastered. Fight went just as planned. Seifer is still a bitch once my last srs wore off but hey I did it, that's the important thing
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 09, 2015, 05:12:39 PM
News from JP FFRK's Niconico stream earlier: Lightning Dress Record, Serah and Cait Sith to be released between this month and the next. In particular, Cait's sprite, lolproportions aside, looks -amazing-. Zidane and Beatrix will get MC2s before the end of the year, Adult Rydia Dress Record slated for February. There'll also be a new Gysahl Greens mechanic within the daily dungeons where you can trade them for stuff, another Orbfest and Christmas freebies.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 10, 2015, 08:45:43 AM
I don't know anything about the Christmas goodies but I want a Candy Cane Staff for Yuna and a Reindeer hat for Tidus. =]

In other I only have one more Elite dungeon before completing all content in Global. I'm excited, I've never been "caught up" before. Usually too busy farming orbs to bother with the Elites.

Just have to beat Leviathan(FF3)... Dear God. And I have basically zero FF3 synergy. Gimme a shot at Tyrfing DeNA! Or release the FF3 casts' Relics!!

I have at least a retaliator weapon for every other realm except 1-3. I know they aren't priorities due to lower popularity but come on :(
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 10, 2015, 09:45:26 PM
Ninja skills...  Seem to be a a might underwhelming.

Ruinga and Swift Bolt both on Tyro with 258 MAG after Synergy in FF3.

Swift Bolt (which Kongbakpao lists as its multiplier being 21 and RES-ignoring) does 2400-2500 damage.
Ruinga (which Kongbakpao lists as its multiplier being only 5.9) does 4800-4900 damage.

Trap Skill?

EDIT: Well, thinking on it, it's at least full MT while being only a 3* skill, so there's that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 10, 2015, 10:37:33 PM
Tried Ultima Weapon, doesn't look like it's happening, at least not in the 25 turn limit to get Mastery. Would need a hastega RW most likely, and yeah I can't surivive without SG.

For some reason Kongbakpao hasn't uploaded anything about the Palom/Porom 凶 boss, so I guess I'll be doing that blind sometime this weekend.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 11, 2015, 03:36:29 AM
Ninja skills...  Seem to be a a might underwhelming.

Ruinga and Swift Bolt both on Tyro with 258 MAG after Synergy in FF3.

Swift Bolt (which Kongbakpao lists as its multiplier being 21 and RES-ignoring) does 2400-2500 damage.
Ruinga (which Kongbakpao lists as its multiplier being only 5.9) does 4800-4900 damage.

Trap Skill?

EDIT: Well, thinking on it, it's at least full MT while being only a 3* skill, so there's that.

Main thing is it only counts half of your magic stat instead of the full thing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/3wax09/mathcraft_swift_bolt_aka_ninja_as_mage/

Good against upcoming Omega weapon battle, not so hot in other situations.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 11, 2015, 10:07:15 AM

Main thing is it only counts half of your magic stat instead of the full thing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/3wax09/mathcraft_swift_bolt_aka_ninja_as_mage/

Good against upcoming Omega weapon battle, not so hot in other situations.

Oh, that's really good to know.  Thank you.



Now I see why everyone else was dreading Elite Leviathan in this dungeon update.  Got to him with almost no problem with my B-Team, but I just kept on getting plastered against the wall once I got to Leviathan himself, so...  That was 81 Stamina wasted.

Next run, I decided to take almost my entire A-team against it.

Rinoa L65 - Thundaja R3/Thundaga R4 - Devotion - Angel Wing Bolt primary
Eiko L55 - Curaga R4/Reflect R4 - Double Hit - Emerald Light Primary
Gilgamesh L64 - Draw Fire R6/Retaliate R5 - Dragoon's Determination - Morphing Time is really good for a Default SB with Drawtaliate going.
Arc L51 - Curaga R4/Shellga R1 - Concentration 2 - Healing Magic available from Circlet
Tyro L60 - Venom Buster R3/Magic Lure R2 - Planet Guardian - Virus available from Evoker's Horn
RW: Sentinel's Grimoire

If Leviathan got a turn and buffed himself before Eiko could Reflect him, that was a S/L.  If Leviathan got a turn to hit someone outside of Drawtaliate and Petrified them, that was a S/L.  If I wasn't buffed with Shellga/SG before he started throwing out Tsunamis, that was a S/L.  However, even in my winning run, a lot of things still went wrong.

Poison didn't stick on Leviathan.  Worked other times!  Just not on the winning run.
Tyro got hit by Thundaga once instead of it being reflected.  Wasn't fatal at least.
Did you know that the Virus SB can be reflected?  I didn't!
I pretty much completely ran out of offense.  I ran out of Draw Fires, Magic Lures, Retaliates, all of Rinoa's spell charges, and was pretty much relying on Gilgamesh plinking it while Rinoa blew all three charges of her Angel Wing Bolt.  Thankfully, that was enough to end it.  Only lost 3 medals on the fight, and 6 for the stage overall - still had that buffer of 1 due to losing one medal in every other stage, so that was good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 11, 2015, 01:59:32 PM
Been grinding last few days, because FF3 dungeons are kicking my ass due to lack of hones.  And will need hones for upcoming content also.

Also, fuck doublecast Meteor.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 12, 2015, 01:42:39 AM
Did four pulls on the new banner.

Got one 5*!  It's...  Setzer's Darts.  Could be worse, but that's still pretty bad.



EDIT: I'm going to say this now: The ++ fight is absolutely pathetic.  Cloud Fira Strikes + Eiko Diagas + Terra Firagas + Y'shtola Stops + Shadow whatevers meant that this was the first ++ fight where I got all the medals.  Heck, I took 0 damage overall without a single S/L.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 12, 2015, 03:05:22 AM
THE NEW UI IS COMING THIS SUNDAY GUYS

(http://www.ronpaul.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ron-paul-its-happening-animated.gif)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 12, 2015, 03:42:53 AM
So, +++ fight beaten in long order.

Y'shtola L65 - Curaga R4/Magic Breakdown R2 - Mako Might
Eiko L55 - Curaga R4/Shellga R2 - Prayer of the Cetra (fight would've gone a little faster if I put Double Hit on her instead)
Cloud L80 - Fira Strike R4/Retaliate R5 - Dragoon's Determination
Shadow L50 - Armor Break R2/Dismissal R3 - Planet Guardian
Terra L60 - Firaga R4/Boost R4 - Devotion

Fight would start wrong in so many ways.  One time I managed to get it to 20% before it killed Y'shtola.  Thanks to putting Planet Guardian on Shadow, the most dangerous part of the fight was the time I could have Terra get 6 reflected Firagas off on Shadow.  Shadow only Defended during that time.  But I managed to have a time where I got Stoneskin 2 and Shellga up before Tritoch's first turn, and then the rest of the fight was easier.

Just like Leviathan - oh crap ran outta Offense but with more Retaliate Charges left.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 12, 2015, 08:29:46 AM
New banner, new 100 gem draw.  5 star!  Priest's Miter.   For those keeping count, yes, I just drew two 5 star relics off 100 gem pulls.  Both ended in hats for my strongest realm.  Technically this is still an upgrade in non-RS situations (I'd previously been using the witch's cap).

Point being this is completely normal for my RK experience.  This is usually how the RNG treats me.

It's fucking weird guys.

Even the boss rush wants Locke alive, so finishing the event will have to wait until after Sunday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on December 12, 2015, 02:07:24 PM
I have uber FF6 synergy (Zantetsuken, Golden Spear, Kotetsu, Mystery Veil, Royal Gownx2, lots of 3++ and 4+, also an unused Golden Shield and Kaiser Knuckles), and a native Thyrus so the bonus battles were all easy. Just one S/L on Holy Dragon because I forgot how its AI worked at first.

Looking forward to the updated AI myself, but I'm worried that it'll break the game's compatibility with Apple Voiceover. The blind man (http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/114492-final-fantasy-record-keeper/72221260) who's playing FFRK on gamefaqs is the best gaming story I've heard in years, and it'd be a real shame if that gets ruined by this. :/
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 12, 2015, 05:02:26 PM
I think it'll be better for him, because the new Realms screen has text telling you how many dungeons you have left to clear.

Mastered Shadow event.  The era of Bartz is upon us.  Steal Power + Firaga Strike = shit dies.

Also:  NO RAGRETS

(http://i.imgur.com/9pHXRfk.png)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on December 12, 2015, 07:41:40 PM
Wow, you even made Mug Time?

Uh... ...I suppose a slow clap is in order.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on December 12, 2015, 08:36:55 PM
I think it'll be better for him, because the new Realms screen has text telling you how many dungeons you have left to clear.


Thing is, he actually downloaded the jp version to test it out before and after the UI revamp. I can't find the gamefaqs thread about his results, but here's his reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/3innwd/a_plea_to_help_me_reach_out_to_the_devs_blind/) about it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 13, 2015, 06:58:28 AM
Woot. All regular dungeons completed! Elites and Classics!

Still have some character growth egg quests to finish up, but otherwise done with all content.

Leviathan was such a bitch. I completely forgot the Reflect strategy to stop his buffing was a thing and just took him on with Gilgamesh's Advantaliate + Eiko\Amarant's amazing soul breaks, with Cloud and Squall filling the final slots for Firaga Strike and just generally being giant stacks of stats at L80. Managed to brute-force my way through his stupid ridiculous buffs, but it was very very close and High Regen saved my ass like a thousand times.

Notably, Gilgamesh hyped up on Advance does awesome damage with his Death Claws SB, it was beautiful when it went off just as Leviathan's Protect finally wore off. Dat timing. Got full medals on turns thanks to that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 13, 2015, 12:52:40 PM
FF4 Misfortune boss mastered first try. Actually honed HASTE to R5 for it and it was worth it. Counter slow is too big of a pain in the butt to ignore. Barely scraped by with everyone slowed, reraise used up, and everyone DOOM'd, clutch throw stone just barely got me over the edge.

Party was

Zack (Blizara Strike, Indoor Spell), Damage 1.2x
Bartz (Thundaga Strike, Drain Strike), HP Down->Attack UP
Ramza (Magic BD, Armor BD) Katana -> Damage 1.2x
Mog (Haste, Curaga) Same as always
Aeris (Shellga, Curaja) Same as always

Not even really that hard, especially compared to the Disciplinary crew last time.

In a similar fashion, Caganazzo actually looks doable, so I guess I'll go diddle around with him a bit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 13, 2015, 01:16:09 PM
Yaaaaaaaaaaay I get inventory space tomrorow
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 13, 2015, 01:53:57 PM
http://memegenerator.net/instance2/3347015
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 13, 2015, 02:59:32 PM
Caganazzo mastered. This may be my favorite event boss yet.

Setup was

Zack (Venom Buster, Thundara Strike), Zack's Glove, Black Clothes, Squall's Necklace, Start: Sap, Damage 1.2x (Funnily, this is a mistake. I wanted increased SB gauge for actions taken)

Ramza (Magic Breakdown, Vanish Ray Do), Masamune, Ninja Garb, Ares Zodiac Stone, Katana Damage 1.2x

Bartz (R3 Blizzaga Strike, R3 Thundaga Strike), Partisan, Survival Vest (Shellga SB), Brutal Pierce, Dualcast Spellblade

Terra (Blizzaja, Thundaja), Flame Rod, Cat Hood, Black Mage's Twin Stars, Devotion

Aeris (R2 Carbuncle, Thundaga), Wizard Rod, White Robe, Memory Sphere, Dr. Mog's Teachings

Scream RW

Skills are R4 unless otherwise noted.

Part of why this is my favorite fight so far is because I was out of spell charges at the end, I had just gotten re-raised after being hit with Tsunami, and was just praying for Throw Stone to go off before Caggy's next turn, when he died to

POIZN.

POIZN mvp. POIZN best character. POIZN for Party Chairman.

Anyway, his only threatening attack with four people having lightning elemental attacks (more than enough to cancel Tsunami every time... except in the end when I ran out, whoops) is his MT Watera... which is admittedly really scary, especially if it goes off before you hit him with Magic Breakdown. Generally though, once you get past the first three turns I could tell if the run would be valid or not. Past that, 2 S/Ls because I didn't refresh Carbunkle at the right time, and one S/L because he decided to be a dick and use MT Watera 3 or 4 times in a row, wiping out my whole party without me really being able to do anything.

Anyway, it's not just a DPS check fight, the obvious RW and party combinations (for me anyway) wouldn't have actually worked, and all in all it really just felt like a nice change up from the last few variations on the theme of "Do you have enough hones, y/n. ?If N, do you have SG/SRS, y/n. If N, do you have any SSBs and Life Siphon. If N, go fuck yourself, come back when you have better gatcha luck or have farmed orbs for another few months). Good fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 14, 2015, 07:48:16 AM
Went through Desch's event up through the +++ battle. Garudia (++) was notably a pain in the ass for the first couple turns. Double acting with solid 2HKO damage before mitigation was obnoxious. However, once I got mitigation up it was EZPZ. Odin (+++), comparatively, was garbage. Similar damage but only single acting. Better MT, but yeah. Pretty sure DeNA mixed up the order of those fights.

Also, the 凶 fight dropped today and...

so you guys know how you were bitching about the Elite Leviathan that dropped a couple weeks ago? I get to play, too~!

Actually shouldn't be that bad. I honed so much lightning crap for Caganazzo that I should be able to just blitz him down with his weakness, and I have an R4 Vanish Raid so his buffs shouldn't be too bad. Honestly the most concerning part for me is that Levi only has *2* bonus medal reqs, meaning I have to be efficient. Again, though, I have so much lightning damage it shouldn't be a thing. Gonna hold off on actually fighting him until some videos go up on Youtube, though, because New Year's is getting closer and I want to get as much mythril as possible before then so I should do dungeons today.

Relatedly, I think instead of trying for SGSRS I'm going to aim for hoarding my mythril to try for Scream on Ramza. Part of this is fanboyism, but mostly on thinking about it this would clear up a party member slot for a 4th damage dealer, as opposed to adding another member to my roster fighting for air (also Tyro sucks).   

In related news, this event gave me enough Lightning orbs to get Full Break to R2. Holding off for now in case I those orbs for something else (Thundaga Strike to R4?????), but yesssssss.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 14, 2015, 12:10:57 PM
Oh god the new interface is even slower and less responsive than the old one. I'm not sure I can keep playing like this.

Edit: Okay, seems like it just needed time to settle. After waiting 20 minutes to get through the new intro dialog things are actually pretty zippy. Celebrated my newfound inventory space with two x11 pulls and came away with three 5 star items: Burning Fist (meh), Mystery Veil (neato!) and Holy Lance (heck yeah!). That's two more (non-default) healing SBs than I had before today, so I'm very okay with this.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2015, 12:57:12 PM
Actually, Holy Lance's SB is Attack Up + Heavy Regen for all party! Great pickup for your physical setup needs and Heavy Regen is a nice perk. Regardless, that means Mog rules for you now and I hope you picked up his MC.

Alongside the new UI, apparently they rolled over a bunch of balance changes, including the stat boosts for Terra (Mag up to 154, same as Rydia) and Balthier/Fran skillset and equip boosts (Balthy gets Spellblade 4, Swords and attack up to 135, Fran gets Support 5). Steiner also gets Spellblade 4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 14, 2015, 01:14:13 PM
I most certainly did grab it. Which I'm very happy about now!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2015, 01:26:25 PM
DeNa also translated Vale of Memories' banners and they look considerably more exciting than JP's. The first banner in particular is hot: Rinoa's SSB, Hope's Skycutter, Vanille's Wyrmfang and Y'shtola's Thyrus. Shear Trigger is also an improvement over Revolver, though Magistral Rod is pretty questionable. Banner 2 is also great (Sentinel's Grimoire, Organics, Zack's Buster Sword, Celes' and Ashe's Rune Blade and Wakka's All-Rounder) and Banner 4's incredible outside of the fact I already have half the relics there (Lulu's Hairpin, Lullaby Rod, Golbez's Rune Axe, Minerva Bustier, Blazefire Saber and Loserface Valesti. Guess which one is the dud). I'll likely save a pull for Lulu's Hairpin and maybe a shot at 6* Lullaby Rod and splurge all the rest of my Mythril on the Thyrus banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 14, 2015, 02:36:27 PM
Oh man, the new update apparently contains a banner with a Christmas theme that was datamined. The interesting part is that people seem to have noticed that one of the images on the banner is of a Blue Orb, implying that Blue Magic might actually be coming for Christmas!

It would be strange if we got it before/simultaneously with Japan, but who knows?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 14, 2015, 02:55:14 PM
My body is ready for Blue Magic.

(http://i.imgur.com/hBIscO3.jpg)

New UI will take some getting used to, but the synergy simulator is wonderful.

Wasn't interested in the Japanese SSB banners, and these don't impress me much either.  Will stick with the plan of saving mythril for Faris/Krile event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2015, 03:11:29 PM
Fiddling with the new UI, it becomes increasingly obvious in how it's so much better than the original: I love being able to shuffle so quickly from equipment to abilities to RMs, and being able to shuffle around all equipment and RM slots without screen swapping speeds up the process a whole goddamn lot. The shortcuts to micromanagement screens also win. Screw the rules, I'm in love with the new UI.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 14, 2015, 03:19:40 PM
Holy Lance (heck yeah!).

Mog rules for you now

Assuming you picked up his MC, start to ignore everything people say about the Mage Meta and start running physical builds. Mog + Another WM (ideally with MT heal which it sounds like you have?) + 3 decent physical damage dealers will help you wreck shit until... well, I'm still wrecking shit with this setup in JP, so you're set for literally the entirety of the forseeable future. That burning fist is going to be a whole lot less Meh once you get your Mog party going.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 14, 2015, 03:38:40 PM
Iiiiinteresting. I do have his MC, and Mystery Veil has an MT heal SB, although it's "light" healing so I don't know how helpful that will actually be. As far as physical fighters go I have MCs for him, Steiner and Wakka (plus Eiko and Vivi on the spellcasting side). I guess I can take a stab at Locke's in Assassin in Black, although tacking L60-scaled Ultima Weapon may be out of my range right now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 14, 2015, 04:15:33 PM
Mog really doesn't cut it for a physical character, despite having a lance. Treat him more as a pure WM with dances and you'll have better results. The Mystery Veil's MT heal should suffice in a pinch, just make sure you put it on your non-Mog WM.

A Steiner/Wakka/Vivi/Eiko/Mog party should be perfectly viable, assuming you have 5* or 3/4* Realm Synergy weapons for all of them. Vivi doesn't benefit from Sun Bath, but you can always toss Faith onto Mog if you need Vivi to pull more weight with the spellcasting. The main reason to run 2 WMs is so you have Curaja, Shellga, Protectga, and one free utility space, so slotting in Faith shouldn't be a big deal unless you want Eiko to summon or Mog to dance. Actually, I usually use this utility slot for Curaga (in addition to Curaja), just to help my survivability, so maybe keep that in mind.

The following is based off of my experience with the JP version, which has had balance updates, so some things may not be applicable.

I don't use either Steiner or Wakka, so I'm not 100%, but Wakka has Support 5 which is always helpful (Magic Breakdown and Power Breakdown are godly, Mental/Armor less so but still useable. 3* skills have a bunch of statuses that have their uses). He also has Celerity 3, which gives him access to Tempo Flurry, which AFAIK everyone's go-to Slow skill.

Steiner has Spellblade 4, Knight 5 and Combat 5, all good skillsets. Pound, a 4* Combat skill, has the highest base damage multiplier of any physical skill, but spellblades have higher multipliers when hitting weakness. It's not out in Global yet, but when Vanish Raid (or Banish Raid, however they want to localize it) becomes available, get that. It's a Holy-elemental Knight skill that dispels. So good. Armor Bash also looks really neat (attack based off of Def*0.7+Atk*.3) but I haven't tried it myself to verify it's usefulness.

---

Shit, I just realized that all of the above is kinda useless if you don't have Cloud or Tyro's MC2 to get access to the Record Materia (Mako Power and Dr. Mog's Teachings, or however they're translated, respectively) that lets you start a dungeon with your SB gauge charged. Mog's still good in this case, just not as godly without being able to cast Sun Bath on turn 1 for the Extra fights. Do you happen to have those?

EDIT: From what you said, actually, you probably don't, but it looks like the Rift of Recollection event will give you an empty MC1 and MC2. I highly highly highly recommend trying to get these, and then spending them on Cloud's MC and MC2, so you can make Mog amazing. Spend mythril after a loss to get a buff to help you win on the harder fights if you have to. Cloud's also a pretty great physical character who will benefit a lot from Mog's Sun Bath SB, so hey, there's that too.

EDIT2: The more everyone bitches about the lack of blue magic the more I hope DeNA refuses to implement it. Bah humbug.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Iiiiinteresting. I do have his MC, and Mystery Veil has an MT heal SB, although it's "light" healing so I don't know how helpful that will actually be. As far as physical fighters go I have MCs for him, Steiner and Wakka (plus Eiko and Vivi on the spellcasting side). I guess I can take a stab at Locke's in Assassin in Black, although tacking L60-scaled Ultima Weapon may be out of my range right now.

Ultima Weapon's vulnerable to paralysis. Take tomorrow and Wednesday for Heroic orb farming so you can grab the orbs to craft and hone Intimidate to a decent level (R2 should suffice with decent proc luck, R3 definitely will) and try it out. If you want, I can slap Tidus with my 5+ Zantetsuken and FF6 attack synergy stuff as a RW when you try to fight it so you can speed up the process.

EDIT: To Zenny: I don't think Shale has Cloud's MC2 due to him seriously picking up the game around the time of Orbfest, so it was probably a bit much for his party at the time. However, with Vale of Memories coming up within the next couple weeks, he'll have another shot at it. Loserface's MC2 will also be released at that point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 14, 2015, 04:36:18 PM
Extra fights are still a ways away based on levels alone -- my A team is level 35 right now and I don't think there are enough Growth Eggs in my inventory to push more than two people to level 50. I tried Hard daily dungeons last week and barely escaped alive, far short of the mastery. So I've got time to gather more MCs from events.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2015, 04:43:09 PM
If you want to push levels ahead, the best way to do it is running the Sunday daily. Put your entire party on the back for the + dungeon (it's actually EASIER than Heroic), grab an AoE non-elemental RW, use it twice, limp through the remaining fight and reap 20k XP per PC a pop, then you can just retreat and repeat. Once your levels are high enough, you can just run the whole daily and pick up five Growth Eggs per run.

EDIT: Mondays are always the emptiest days. Might just run some Fire/Earth or upmat dailies, since now upmats don't ram into inventory space limitations.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2015, 05:21:40 PM
HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT GLOBAL'S GETTING AN EXCLUSIVE CHRISTMAS ORBFEST AND IT STARTS THIS WEEK I CAN'T EVEN
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 14, 2015, 05:27:41 PM
.... wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 14, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
SUCK IT JAPAN YOU JUST GET LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2015, 06:29:43 PM
The craziest part: IT STARTS ON WEDNESDAY. I'm blowing Mythril to speed through Sephiroth's new event. Also, Vale of Memories starts on the 21st and Faris/Krile on the 26th. We'll also receive login bonuses starting on the 16th/17th as well, including a Global-exclusive character SB relic for Loserface (I know, I know) and a Global-exclusive 4* Samurai ability.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 14, 2015, 06:36:36 PM
Why would you need to blow mythril on Seph event?  You have today and tomorrow.  Unless you'd rather farm Tuesdaily than Orbfest?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2015, 07:02:09 PM
... you're right. Yeah, nevermind, I can just use Tuesday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 14, 2015, 07:28:23 PM
Mmm.  So, Vale banners.  Looks like I'm pretty well set on my draws there.  Phase 1 seems just too sexy to ignore, while I really need me some FFIX/X synergy so Phase 3 is a lock.  I'd love to have a pull at Phase 5 but... yeah, can't ignore the chance for all Phase 1's mage weaponry (including Y'shtola's staff, making it pretty well a must-draw for everyone I imagine.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2015, 07:43:27 PM
I could use almost literally all of banner 1's equips and I badly want about four of them. It's a better mage banner than Zidane/Amarant's second set, which is a feat still unbroken even in Japan. Phase 4 I want to draw on just because of Lulu's Hairpin, but I might end up forfeiting it since over half of the remainder would end up as combine fodder. If you're not me, though, it's downright incredible aside from Loserface Valesti. Phase 5 is good if you want better odds at a SSB, since both Cutting Trigger and Lustrous Sword tower over it. But nothing really beats banner 1's sheer clout for specialized weaponry.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 14, 2015, 08:50:15 PM
Speaking of MC2s. Does that just refer to getting a second MC for a character, or are they substantively different somehow? I thought that all the character/MC quests came with a note that if you already have that reward from a prior dungeon, you get a Growth Egg.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2015, 09:10:58 PM
There's a distinct, second Memory Crystal that cap-breaks L65 PCs and lets them go up to L80. Right now, only Cloud and Squall have them, but starting with this week's Seph event, there'll be at least one new MC2 on events. They are, however, locked behind ++ fights as a rule of thumb.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on December 14, 2015, 09:19:20 PM
Man, I went from 299/300 equip slots yesterday down to just 207/300 thanks to upgrade material being split off.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 14, 2015, 10:37:53 PM
Well, new orbfest is good news for Shale then. That should be plenty of farming to get everyone in the aforementioned party up to L65 before he has to try for the blank MC2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 15, 2015, 01:53:50 AM
Did a pull on the Sephiroth SSB banner and got Reno's fighter-mage stick! Super excited because now I can finally use Terra as a mixed-build character as intended. It's not the Enhancer, but it's definitely filling a niche I needed. And hey, I guess it makes Reno useful?

Working through the Sephiroth autobattles in preparation for USOrbfest.

I'm not entirely sure which banners of Vale to pull on. Banner 1 has two Thrown Mage weapons which I've been coveting, so that's a lock. Banner 4 has Lulu's Pin, Yuna's Staff, a Terra relic, and some much-needed FF13 synergy, so that's a lock, but I've got one more pull left. Can't decide between Organics (and the horrible prospect of a fourth Sentinel's Grimoire) or Tidus' SSB (because I really like Tidus and Celerity 5 on a Lv80 character is going to mean more SSB usage in the near future).

Hmm... maybe banner 5 then? Gets me a shot at -two- SSBs, plus a MT healing relic, ANOTHER shot at a Thrown Mage weapon, and a shot at an upgraded Tidus sword.

Oh man, if US Orbfest actually drops Major Orbs at a decent rate, I might be able to hone Full Break R2 and Blizzaja R4 before Exdeath! (So Snow you must be hoping for... what? R5 Blizzaja? R2 FLARE?!)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 15, 2015, 02:11:34 AM
Snow would have to make R1 Flare before working on R2.

Put Tifa as my RW if anyone needs more PAWNCH against Sephiroth event bosses.  Got enough record synergy that her multi-hit SB is respectable.

Also note that you only have to kill one of the three turks for them all to run away.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 15, 2015, 02:27:59 AM
Man, I also pulled on Seph's banner and got Reno's baton AND the Dragon Bracer. I really wanted Reno's weapon for reasons of A) mixed weapon type with high MAG; and B) FFVII mage stat stick. My very first shared Shellga equip also ain't bad.

Cap'n: I actually -do- have R1 Flare!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 15, 2015, 02:38:49 AM
Whoa, trippy. You got the Shellga bracer too? Did you also get the Turks uniform? (It was a triple 5* 11-pull).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 15, 2015, 02:43:55 AM
No, just those two and a bunch of 4*s that got me to fake-6 a bunch of scattered items (including FFV and 9 physical synergy), and they were spread over three pulls. You were far luckier than I, but I'm fine with the results I got anyway, since I needed a shared SB Shellga, I wanted another bracer and Reno's baton was my second chase relic on that banner. I'm suspecting that, by the end of the year, I'll have no real reason to pull ever again until the next Soul Break celebration.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 15, 2015, 04:48:29 AM
Did a pull on the Sephiroth SSB banner and got Reno's fighter-mage stick!
Man, I also pulled on Seph's banner and got Reno's baton AND the Dragon Bracer.

rekt

Edit - Better choice of thing.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/opY7SoUTNU3ao/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 15, 2015, 05:26:36 AM
I'll be damned, I pulled off the Elite Floating Continent dungeon for Locke's MC. Atma wasn't even the problem, despite whiffing on every use of Intimidate (goodbye, mastery) -- it was Nelapa who forced a restart, wiping out both my lightning users before I could get Stoneskin II up and killing me slowly from there. Revived with Mithril and got a much better starting ATB the second time around. So that's nice. On to the Sephiroth event! I'll at least get his MC out of that one, and hopefully Red 13 and Cid's - how bad can difficulty 65 Palmer be, anyway?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 15, 2015, 09:14:41 AM
Palmer can be blinded and gets -completely- shut down by it. You can just craft Blindga, especially considering it starts out at four uses. Dragon, which walls Reno's MC, also eats it to Paralysis if you have better luck with it than you did with Ultima. After that, you can just level up your priority PCs on the Christmasfest until bonus battles arrive, they're not coming until Thursday night.

By the way, congrats on picking up Locke's MC!

Speaking of which, grabbed all MCs on the event and cap-broke Reno and Cid. Watching a mage deal 3k damage to Elite mobs with a basic physical is kind of funny.

I also need to draw out my plans for Orbfest. R4ing the remaining 4* Black Magics feels like a given (Bioga, Drainga, Blizzaja and Darkra). Maybe honing Armor Breakdown some and R4ing Power Breakdown for completeness' sake. If I manage to R5 any given 4*, I'll consider it a victory as is. Another option would be R5ing Curaja, it's already at R3. Picking up enough orbs for R4 Lifesiphon would be nice too. Maybe saving up for Banish Raid.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 15, 2015, 10:07:50 AM
Shale, another thing regarding bosses that die to status: If you shut down the application from your phone's app manager, then restart, you can restart from the beginning of the fight without having to spend the stamina again. You can do this repeatedly to make sure Blind or Paralysis procs on the appropriate bosses to make your life easier.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 15, 2015, 12:36:58 PM
Reno's a fun PC, but I kinda wish he was better. His general stat spread is actually pretty decent (solid speed! HP and defense between ranged support and frontline fighter level! Decent RES!), but his offensive stats fall in a very awkward place: Wakka-level attack and Quististastic magic means you end up sorta underwhelming on both physicals and magic, which means he's effectively below the sum of his parts. His relic SB isn't too hot either, one-hit AoE with 40% paralysis? At least the weapon itself is a great stat stick for mages in general, especially in FF7 dungeons. It'd be cool if he had Combat 4, too, since it'd give him a niche as a SB-building mage.

EDIT: Yesterday's upgrading spree (besides the Telescopic Baton and the Dragon Armlet, I got spares for combining at least five pieces of fake-5*s into fake-6*s) left me more or less completely dry on upmats and I haven't even finished upgrading the newly-mint 6* Royal Crown. I may end up having to hit up the upmat daily on Friday once.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 15, 2015, 10:47:17 PM
Woke up to find out they updated the daily dungeons. The Ghysal Greens system seems like a nice addition (though you can't buy Major orbs with it), but more importantly they reset the mastery/clear requirements, meaning I just got a fuckload of free Major orbs and mythril. Unfortunately I never did get the mythril from the Upmat dungeons but oh well, I'll just have to live with not having that 4 mythril. :(
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 15, 2015, 10:55:51 PM
Smacked down Palmer, yay. Got him with Intimidate and that was that.

Oh, also! Friend code XT1h. I just set Sunbath for my RW.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 15, 2015, 11:36:31 PM
Awesome! I'll add you later, could use another AoE attack up RW.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 16, 2015, 01:00:01 AM
Finished the main part of the Reno quest.  I should note I spent more on the Mog banner than I'm willing to admit (I wanted Holy Lance AND Minerva Bustier, would settle for one).  What do I have to show for it as far as 5* go?

FF6 Burning Knuckles: ...well, it's better than Tifa's Grand Glove for power, I guess, also buffs Zack's Fire Spellblades!?
FF13 Kaiser Knuckles: At first I thought this was Sabin's, and thinking "when the hell am I going to care about 2 FF6 Claws?" but then realized it's FF13...which ok, that's useful, since Snow has a legit Synergy weapon now, and he's the one good Monk.
FF13 Some 5* Light Armor too lazy to check: This was a "...well, that's unexpected" moment but eh, whatever.
FF6 Genji Helm: Actually good!  Decent Shared Soul Break, good stats, yeah, I'll live
FF6 Mystery Veil: Like the Genji Helm, really.
FF6 Darts: ...well, Setzer is happy I guess
FF6 Darts mk2: ...GOD DAMN IT!  Go to hell game >:(!  I mean, 2 Ninja Chainmails? Ok, that's a legit 5* Armor many people can use that!  2 Assassin's Knives?  It's a knife, it insures I have 2 5* weapons (if weak ones) that any character can use.  2 Darts? When the hell am I going to care about that? I mean, yeah, Setzer's a Support 5 character with FF6 synergy and it'd get him better synergy, but seriously, GOD DAMN IT GAME!!!!


And no Holy Lance or Minerva Bustier :(. 

Valigarmanda also trolled me.  About to win with mastery since his health was literally one poke away from killing...*Blizzaga* *Shadow dies*
...yeah, I just refought him, figured getting a 2nd chance at a 4* Orb is just better than S/Ling for another good run.  This time I brought just a stronger team (swapped out Strago and Setzer for Terra and Vaan...won't go into details why I wasn't optimally set up before), and ripped it apart.


And DeNA's mean for releasing so many big events in the next few weeks.  At least it seems we'll be getting the Beginner's Banner earlier than expected, hopefully they don't change the free rewards too much; I want one of those Magic Swords!

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 16, 2015, 01:20:53 PM
Hello, Christmas login bonuses my old friends.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 16, 2015, 04:19:38 PM
Finished Sephiroth event yesterday.  Did Elite Leviathan this morning, so I'm 100% caught up on dungeon updates.  Leviathan himself wasn't bad, other than having way too much of the hps.  Luckily Vivi proc'd poison on the first hit so that made it feasible.  Those trash mobs with 2k+ magic damage were horrible though.  Lost three damage medals before Levi's stage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 16, 2015, 04:40:39 PM
Wasn't the new grimoire supposed to be one of the Christmas login things?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 16, 2015, 04:47:30 PM
Ff6 n ff7 events beat to date.  Now I just need to get caught up on story dungeons.

Wondering what this event thing we got notified yesterday is all about, or if it's the beginners thing you all were talking about.

Ih, and the new login bonus has some Ff6 item at the end. I wonder what it does...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 16, 2015, 04:54:04 PM
Wasn't the new grimoire supposed to be one of the Christmas login things?

The release didn't make it very clear, but seemingly not at this point. All that's left is to wait and see.

EDIT: It's quite possible they just announce the item's in the gift chest, like they did with the Halloween goodies.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 16, 2015, 10:37:47 PM
Ih, and the new login bonus has some Ff6 item at the end. I wonder what it does...

5 star accessories usually have 30-40 stat points, and this is a giveaway, so probably 30.  Given they're calling it a Crystal Orb, probably 30 points to Magic, although!  Could be a non-stat boost.  Given the name that seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 17, 2015, 04:48:22 AM
Before you pull on the beginner banner, you might want to see what's available as free choice afterwards:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/3x5k9w/no_enhancer_why_dena/

Stormlance Grimoire is actually pretty nice, 4 hits at x2.0 multiplier (same total multiplier as Squall's super soul break), lightning physical attacks.  Usual disclaimer about Tyro's stats apply.

I'll pull after the FFV event is over.  Will probably get the Ras Algethi because I can make mine 7 star.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 17, 2015, 05:14:08 AM
Tyrfing. FF3 Synergy FINALLY! No regrets. Especially since Enhancer wasn't an option.

Should probably consider an 11-pull on the current banner huh? Ugh.. but what if I get a Cyan weapon?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 17, 2015, 08:47:59 AM
I'm currently undecided between Ras Algethi, Valkyrie and Storm Staff from the beginner's banner. I don't have to make decision anytime soon, of course, but we'll see. And yeah, S/L Grimoire is a sleeper hit there. SSB-level damage off an initial selection banner is quite strong even off Loserface stats.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 17, 2015, 09:42:14 AM
Cranberries - Linger.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 17, 2015, 12:36:58 PM
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/high_five_stephen_colbert.gif)

EDIT: Still pondering which relic to pick from the Beginner's Selection. I'm not going to bother pulling until after Banner 1, of course (it definitely will affect whether Valkyrie is a potential option or not, since pulling either Cardinal or Skycutter would lessen its value considerably), but even assuming one of those ends up in my lap, it ain't such a simple choice: 1,2, 4 and 10's choices are out of the table by default (GIANT'S GLOVES and DUSK SPEAR, DeNa? You magnificent trolls), I have no use for a -second- Cyan relic, I can't justify picking up the Buster Sword when there's a new FF7 banner every month (and even then, it's seriously outdated) and I have no use for a second Wild Bear in 13's case.

On the other hand, Tyrfing, Healing Staff, Storm Staff, Ras Algethi and even Ninja Chainmail have legit arguments: though I have no more use for FF3 synergy until six months later, Advance has some interesting potential uses with Luneth (so much damage with multi-hit skills), but is risky. Healing Staff would entirely obsolete my Judgment Staff, but the +20% holy damage is quite interesting. Storm Staff just has an -excellent- stat mix and would make a great alternate sage weapon. Ras Algethi would be my strongest gun and having a Steal Powerable relic SB would be sorta nice. Ninja Chainmail, well, the accurate MT slow is something to seriously consider even though Thancred is an awkward PC. This selection is honestly a lot more -interesting- than JP's, though it appeases fangirl impulses a lot less, and I should mull it over for a while.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 17, 2015, 12:54:13 PM
This kinda slipped by under the radar and even I didn't notice it until now, but some summons just got a pretty big buff in JP. Basically, any 4*+ summon worth its salt hits twice now. Overall multipliers haven't been changed, so this effect is minimal against high level, high-RES content, but summons just became amazing for grinding dungeons. Dealing 9999x2 against the Dream Stooges on classic mode was very, very cathartic to the Zenny who had to restart an entire FF6 file due to them as a kid.

With decent de/buffing I bet this could be pretty useful against high end content, particularly for clearing out adds (like, this would have been beautiful for Velius). Pretty neat.

EDIT: Leviathan down. Team was the usual. Would maybe have been difficult if I hadn't heard y'all complaining about his dungeon mode and having that key me into the fact that I should reflect him. Reflect just utterly wrecks him, though. Hasted Zack/Bartz throwing Thundara/ga spellblades at him was kinda ridiculous.

The fight was noteworthy in that there was one turn where I just said fuck it and had every single character use their SSB.

Also, honed R2 Full Break, because why not. What am I gonna use those Thunder/Ice orbs for? Holy? Honing Quetzaqotl since summons that hit weakness are potentially super good now? Actually yeah both of those would have been good ideas but, fuck it, YOLO.

EDIT 2:

For reference, the list of summons that now hit twice (overall damage modifier is the same as previous):

Shiva
Ramah
Ifrit
Syldra
Leviathan
Maduin
Valefor
Ixion
Alexander

These summons hit twice AND got a boost to damage modifier:

Quetzaqotl
Bahamut

lol maybe bahamut may be worth crafting now

y'know if you can ever find Major Summon Orbs outside of an orbfest
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 17, 2015, 12:58:31 PM
Yeah, I chose balthier's gun.

Was hoping kain's weapon would have been an option. Ah well.

Also, didn't get any 5 star items in the 11 pull to get the freebie.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 17, 2015, 01:20:42 PM
To be fair, Dusk Lance is a really good weapon, just on a really bad character.  Great for Gilgamesh to retaliate with in X realms.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 17, 2015, 05:05:10 PM
This kinda slipped by under the radar and even I didn't notice it until now, but some summons just got a pretty big buff in JP. Basically, any 4*+ summon worth its salt hits twice now. Overall multipliers haven't been changed, so this effect is minimal against high level, high-RES content, but summons just became amazing for grinding dungeons. Dealing 9999x2 against the Dream Stooges on classic mode was very, very cathartic to the Zenny who had to restart an entire FF6 file due to them as a kid.

With Kuja coming next as a PC, they also seem to be signaling a slow swing back to magic improvements. The next two Darkness skills are both mage tools (Doom+Mag Up on self and 2-hit magical ability+increased damage underDoom), which is neat for the mages with Darkness on their skillsets (hi, Kefka. Hi, Vincent. Hi, Edea, Hi, Exdeath). Hopefully we'll start seeing new Black Magic tools as well, we haven't seen a new BM ability since Darkra, on -Lulu's- event which's already a thing of the past even on Global.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 17, 2015, 06:12:52 PM
This Orbfest may be very disappointing in terms of XP, but the returns on orb farming are simply -nuts-. I'm getting upwards of three-four Greaters per run and I've got five Major Orbs in less than 24 hours in less runs than I did on the -other- Orbfest. I just honed Drainga to R4 and R4 Blizzaja is also a lock for phase 3. Ultimate Exdeath, bite my shiny metal ass.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 17, 2015, 08:02:17 PM
I snuck in a clear of the Dragon fight in Sephiroth's event this afternoon – it went a lot better than I expected, no deaths at all thanks to Boon, power/magic break and the Sun Bath regen. So my comfort level is up to difficulty 75 and I'm taking a shot at the Orbfest + fight. I still can't farm that level much since I've only got 72 max stamina, but hey, any Major Orbs are way better than no Major Orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 17, 2015, 08:17:10 PM
Haven't had Snow's luck (no one does), but yeah I'm definitely averaging 1 greater orb per stage at minimum.  I'm thinking the + stage boosts the 3/4 ratio from regular cactuars in 4's favor 'cause it's damn consistent so far.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 17, 2015, 09:14:53 PM
+ fight down, got enough Greater Black Orbs to craft a single solitary offensive spell. Drainga, maybe?

Edit: oooh, I can make that plus Thundaga Strike! Shiny.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 17, 2015, 09:23:27 PM
Shale: if at all possible, I recommend crafting Waterja. Cheaper to craft and hone and takes orbs that aren't high-demand. Drainga is cool, but there's a lot of stuff you use Greater Darks for. Ruinga is also worth looking at once you have Mana Spring II.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 17, 2015, 11:59:56 PM
Picked Ras Alghetti for the Beginner's Banner because Guns are rare, and a large number of characters really want them, or in the case of Lightning and Balthier, gain legitimate cool niches with them (ranged Spellblades.)

The FF10 Realm Synergy hype on Dusk Lance for Gilgamesh doesn't work for me on that note since I have Auron's Shimmering Blade, Tidus' Brotherhood, and the Heat Lance...one could say I'm not exactly starving for FF10 Synergy.  That's not even factoring in Yuna's Lullaby Rod too!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 18, 2015, 12:28:21 AM
Tangentially, I've rolled my eyes so hard at the salt maelstrom in Reddit over the beginner's selection guaranteed draw that there's a hole in my eye sockets.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 18, 2015, 02:33:58 AM
Not to mention the salt over the xp during Festive Fantasy.  Never mind that these are the best orb drops we've ever had by a large margin, the fucking experience is so important.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 18, 2015, 03:01:48 AM
The salt over the relics still makes me laugh more. Uh, guys, did you -really- expect them to hand over no-gacha-attached a relic that'll be featured on a banner scheduled for next week, one from a fucking Soul Break Spectacular set and one on a CURRENTLY LIVE BANNER? The selection ain't perfect (Binding Rod would be a more interesting FF13 equip than Wild Bear and Dusk Lance + Giant's Glove feel tailored specifically to troll the hell out of Reddit), but it's overall more diverse and widens more paths for newbies than JP's set, lack of AoE healing aside.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on December 18, 2015, 03:14:00 AM
Yeah sure, but how do you expect people to live without the ability to improve their backrow Terra's breakdown damage from ~300 to ~500 per hit with a mage sword???
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on December 18, 2015, 03:34:58 AM
Look buddy, I'd rather have Ashe's saber rather than the Storm Staff which probably has higher magic anyway and is usable by way more people than a mage sword is.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 18, 2015, 04:15:28 AM
What's that. People outside of the DL are acting like idiots about a game we're all playing? Must be a day that ends in y.

Though tbh while I'm happy with my beginner banner pick yalls selection kicks the shit outta JPs so I myself am a tad salty about the global banner. But that's different. Mostly because I am the salty one. It's me. Therefore better.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 18, 2015, 04:57:59 AM
I love my own salty flavour and so should you
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 18, 2015, 05:05:33 AM
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 18, 2015, 01:45:54 PM
Rushing through both Orbfestivus and DU16 for goodies and XP. I'm actually pondering honing -ga Strikes now that the priority checks for Black Magic are slowly being met as well (Blizzaja R4 only needs three more GIOs, Drainga's already R4, R4 Bioga mostly depends on GDOs and honing Darkra is honestly low-priority). Also cap-broke Sephiroth and got his second RM, capping Squall and Celes along the way. Blood Madness' bonus battles were hilariously easy, I'll post setups here later.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 18, 2015, 03:15:46 PM
This kinda slipped by under the radar and even I didn't notice it until now, but some summons just got a pretty big buff in JP. Basically, any 4*+ summon worth its salt hits twice now. Overall multipliers haven't been changed, so this effect is minimal against high level, high-RES content, but summons just became amazing for grinding dungeons. Dealing 9999x2 against the Dream Stooges on classic mode was very, very cathartic to the Zenny who had to restart an entire FF6 file due to them as a kid.

With Kuja coming next as a PC, they also seem to be signaling a slow swing back to magic improvements. The next two Darkness skills are both mage tools (Doom+Mag Up on self and 2-hit magical ability+increased damage underDoom), which is neat for the mages with Darkness on their skillsets (hi, Kefka. Hi, Vincent. Hi, Edea, Hi, Exdeath). Hopefully we'll start seeing new Black Magic tools as well, we haven't seen a new BM ability since Darkra, on -Lulu's- event which's already a thing of the past even on Global.

Welp, you're not wrong. Kuja's relic, the Punisher Rod, is Dark-elemental damage + Mag UP. Don't know data mining, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 30%. I'll be honest, I'm tempted to throw 50 Myth at the banner even though I really should be saving all of it for a potential Scream re-release (that... may not even happen! Or would totally happen right as DeNA shifts back to Mage superiority... DAMMIT.).  The fact that it isn't Hastega + Damage Boosting is the only thing preventing me from drawing on it right now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 18, 2015, 03:22:52 PM
Tried a Heroic daily and got my ass handed to me, so I'm thinking I'll stick to Orbfest for the duration. And it was immediately kind to me - clearing out the easy mode with spare stamina before a story dungeon, I ran into a Gigantuar, which has got to be win-the-lottery odds. Next: Whee, grinding!

(Also, the daily RW bonus since getting Sun Bath has been hilarious. Went from an odd 200-400 Gil per day to 10,000 when I opened the app this morning.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 18, 2015, 04:52:51 PM
This kinda slipped by under the radar and even I didn't notice it until now, but some summons just got a pretty big buff in JP. Basically, any 4*+ summon worth its salt hits twice now. Overall multipliers haven't been changed, so this effect is minimal against high level, high-RES content, but summons just became amazing for grinding dungeons. Dealing 9999x2 against the Dream Stooges on classic mode was very, very cathartic to the Zenny who had to restart an entire FF6 file due to them as a kid.

With Kuja coming next as a PC, they also seem to be signaling a slow swing back to magic improvements. The next two Darkness skills are both mage tools (Doom+Mag Up on self and 2-hit magical ability+increased damage underDoom), which is neat for the mages with Darkness on their skillsets (hi, Kefka. Hi, Vincent. Hi, Edea, Hi, Exdeath). Hopefully we'll start seeing new Black Magic tools as well, we haven't seen a new BM ability since Darkra, on -Lulu's- event which's already a thing of the past even on Global.

Welp, you're not wrong. Kuja's relic, the Punisher Rod, is Dark-elemental damage + Mag UP. Don't know data mining, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 30%. I'll be honest, I'm tempted to throw 50 Myth at the banner even though I really should be saving all of it for a potential Scream re-release (that... may not even happen! Or would totally happen right as DeNA shifts back to Mage superiority... DAMMIT.).  The fact that it isn't Hastega + Damage Boosting is the only thing preventing me from drawing on it right now.

They're releasing an orbfest in JP next week. Hold your Mythril, since orbfests are historically good places to slap a SB celebration on and the three-month cycle is about complete.

OF COURSE, since we're talking Hastega relics, Kuja event's second banner has two Hastega SBs! Garnet's SSB (RES up+high regen+Hastega) and Eiko's Golem Flute (AoE Cura+Hastega). Regardless, I'd wait a bit and see.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 19, 2015, 12:30:41 AM
Yeah, I figured something was happening soon. I'm trying to gather up as much mythril as possible before then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 19, 2015, 02:29:18 PM
Still farming phase 1 like there's no tomorrow. Results for Greater Darks could be better, but I'm getting tons of Greater Blacks and more Greater Lightnings that I can use. Got at least 10 Majors so far as well, so everything's pretty awesome. Right now, once I have enough Greater Holies and Ices, I'll be able to R4 both Ruinga and Blizzaja with spare change. I'll likely skimp a bit on phase 2 (I really need a lot of Greater Holy Orbs, but I have little to no use for Greater Whites and Greater Earths), but farm like mad on phase 3 (I need as many Greater Ices as I can possibly muster and more Greater Summon/Fires aren't bad either for spare honing on Steal Power and maybe R5 Waterja or acceptable Firaga Strike levels) and phase 4 (POWER ORBS. WIND ORBS. NON-ELEMENTAL ORBS. I WANT THEM ALL).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 19, 2015, 02:54:31 PM
99.9% of my stamina has gone to clearing out all the new daily dungeons over the last few days, bringing my mythril total up to a healthy 92. Another 4 days of new Dailies, clearing Kuja's event, plus the mythril I should get during the orb fest should leave me at at least 150 before the New Year banners drop. 200 seems unlikely, but 165 or even 180 should be possible so I can throw a couple 3 pulls in as well. Dear DeNA Claus, Scream 4 Me pls.

Also, if the orb fest is as plentiful as it was back in September, I may well have decently honed 5* skills by the end of it.  With the buff recently, I may even craft Bahamut if I can get it to R2. Unlikely, though, considering Non-orbs are in high demand.

Speaking of Bahamut, in my quest to kill Bahamut the Third, I crafted Aera Strike. Again. Twice. I have 3 Aera Strikes. And that's terrible.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 20, 2015, 04:27:14 AM
Finally decided to move on from Black/Lightning/Dark grinding. Used 4 mythril refreshes, got roughly 7 Major Orbs and averaged 2-3 Greater Orbs per + dungeon run. Overall a great haul, though I'm sure Snow's luck was like triple that.

In JP, they just released Zidane's MC2, so I rushed through the event and grabbed that. Then I crafted Thief's Raid because I had the orbs and I wanted to get the most out of my new Level 67 Thief. Steal Power + Thief's Raid is as awesome as advertised. Double-awesome in an FF9 Boss Rush with Zidane's Butterfly Sword. Goodbye Lani~

As it turns out, Ramza's MC2 is NOT available in the MC2 shop. This is supremely disappointing to me as I have Ramza's Yell SB, which was carrying me through a bunch of earlier boss content. Sigh. So Ramza's been replaced with Zidane/Fran/Aerith (yes, it takes three characters with S/SBs to replace a single Ramza) and Tyro and Gilgamesh round out the team because I need the flexibility they bring (and also they all have MC2s available). I still need to get Aerith's MC2 but at least that's available from the shop, and with the new Gysahl Greens system, I can buy a blank MC2 quite easily! Just need to keep grinding dailies! I might even be able to take on the Kyou dungeon for FF9! (Sooooo tempted to pull for Zidane's new SSB... That New Years banner needs to hurry...)

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 20, 2015, 05:04:16 AM
Yeah, I have no fuckin idea how they're dealing with the MC2 shop. Like, only half of the characters with MC2s are available there and there isn't a whole lot of rhyme or reason to it.

Honestly though, since you have yell, the difference between L80 and L65 is not as crushingly bad as the difference from L65 to L80.

Also worth pointing out, when the Deep Dungeon opens up again, the 3rd battle in each area has a blank MC2 for you to pick up as well. Thanks to this and the Gysahl Greens shop I have like 5 blank MC2s floating around that I'm holding onto.

---

Bahamut is stupid. If I don't have power breakdown, I die to his MT attacks that he likes to spam. If I don't have magic Breakdown, Flare OHKOs even when Shelled. If I don't have Armor Breakdown, I don't get mastery. Mmmmmph.No matter what improvements I make, I have a feeling a large chunk of my day is going to be S/Ling hoping for perfect RNG.

Ramza (Power Breakdown, Magic Breakdown), Shellga SB Armor, ~4000 damage a hit buffed
Zack (Indoor Spell ~5000dmg, R5 Aera Strike ~9500 dmg),
Bartz (R4 Aera Strike, R4 Aera Strike), Weakness damage 1.2x, ~8100 dmg buffed
Mog (Break Fever, Curaga)
Aeris (Protectga, Curaja)
SG RW

The only real tweaks I can make mid fight are saving SG for when he transitions to Weak and Very Weak phases (he always casts Megaflare here), and having Break Fever active when SG isn't up. Shellga is on Ramza mostly because his SB deals the least damage, and Throw Stone at the wrong time actually has massively screwed me up by delaying Megaflare until after SG wore off. >_< I'm kinda tempted to swap out Curaga for Haste, in part because by the end of the fight no amount of healing is going to save me, and having Zack/Bartz hasted may give me the edge I need to get through Phase 3 without getting completely wrecked. It's only one timebux, may as well try it out.

Another thing to play with would be putting dualcast spellblade on Bartz. That lowers his damage to ~6900 a hit, 8100-6900=1200 lost damage, and lowers his SB from 12000 to 10000... at that point I should probably switch the shellga armor to Bartz... eyeballing it, it looks like if it goes off once every 5 turns then it's worth it. Still, I don't like the randomness, and with the Weakness damage buff I can backload all of Bartz' and Zack's SBs to crank out the damage. By that point, adding in Ramza's throw stones should help delay him enough that I don't take too many hits once SG wears off at the end. Hmm. Yeah I guess I'll try that with Haste this time.

EDIT: Nope, not happening. Really need Haste and Damage mitigation, but giving up any skills I have for Haste leads to a quick death. I had basically perfect RNG and couldn't do it. Lame, DeNA. Lame.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: MC50 on December 20, 2015, 07:57:05 AM
Been clearing most events - though I didn't bother with Valigarmanda. Haven't tried Heretic Hojo yet either, though I may give him a shot later. We'll see how that goes.

Did a pull on the beginner banner. Got Kain's Lance and a generic 5* armor - not bad. I already had some of the relics on offer, somehow (Tyrfing, Dusk Lance, Healing Staff), so I picked Snow's coat, since I have no 13 Synergy - and I like him well enough. I did already have a 5* Gun (The Running Fire) so I didn't feel I needed Balthier's either.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 21, 2015, 03:18:21 AM
Since Phase 2 isn't very exciting (though I've gotten pretty decent returns on Greater Holy Orbs and am currently touting around R4 Curaja), I decided to do some dungeoneering today, clearing Elites and whatnot. FF6 Elites aren't a big deal, biggest problem are those magician trash midgets sometimes casting Osmose. Mt. Gulug in FF9 is a doozy, though: Grenades were dealing 5k damage to Strago with Firaga (!!!), that trash's very dangerous on offense. Meltigemini are quite scary too, I lost once and decided to bring an A-team (capped Balthier with Fira Sword + Steal Power, Golem Flute Eiko, Yuna with Reno's Baton for trash/Zorn and Thorn clearing, Reno with Vivi's Oak Staff and Red for Lunatic High), which made things a lot simpler. I still have FF7 Elites to do and Mt. Gulug Part 1, which will likely require another A-team run.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 21, 2015, 04:18:40 AM
Sephiroth's event finished besides the quests which I'm tackling now.  Hojo mostly went down with S/Ling and Drawtaliating Gilgamesh.  I suspect the Event Quest will be handled similarly.

Got pretty good amount of Greater Orbs in the first phase, on that note.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 22, 2015, 12:49:11 AM
DeNA Logic 101:

So after buffing Rinoa, one of the best Black Mages already, and giving Summons a buff, what does DeNA do?  They decide to buff more characters! Ok seems fair, so who gets buffed?

Kimarhi, who is awful at everything?
Cyan, who besides retaliating is legitimately worth nothing at all?
Quistis who is still just "Terra-lite" in every sense outside of a higher attack stat that is worthless because you need a good whip which are in short supply?
Shadow, the one Ninja who lacks Thief, and doesn't have any real perks to make up for it?
Maybe Barret whose stats suck, and could use like tank HP and defense, and prays you have a gun?

...nah, let's buff Hope and give him Summon 5!  Ok, this one is completely fine; Hope felt kind of lack luster as a Sage as is, and this buff does push him to a more interesting option as he had Summon 3 already, so it's a fair upgrade.

"oh yeah, we gave Terra and Ashe Summon 5!"

...yes, they buffed TERRA AND ASHE of all characters.   Like yes, people were asking for Terra to get Summon 4 at least so she could summon daddy, and Ashe makes the most sense as an FF12 Summoner, but I digress, THESE TWO CHARACTERS DID NOT NEED ANY MAJOR BUFFS!  You literally just made Rydia and Krile look all the worse.  They literally buffed the two best Black Mages (well, once Ashe gets her 2nd Memory Crystal) in a way that kills a gimmick of two other Black Mages, and seriously hurts a 3rd (Rinoa.)

I think Reddit may be onto something in that Terra is the female version of Cloud in terms of DeNA love.  Granted, they don't toss Terra every single new mechanic basically immediately (...though sounds like there's already data for Terra's BSSB datamined, so only a matter of time.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 22, 2015, 01:10:25 AM
Well, SOMEBODY'S gotta be top-tier, might as well be Terra. <3

Seriously though, compared to her cast, Terra really IS one of the best units in the series (as evidenced by our entire lives spent on this very website), so it kind of makes sense.

Honestly, Terra should have only gotten Summon 4. Strago should have been the dedicated summoner from 6 if they aren't giving us Blue Magic.

Ashe with Summon 5 makes enough sense, considering her ties to Belias. They didn't have any other 5* summoners in 12 and they generally want to have one of those for each realm for the Kyou dungeons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 22, 2015, 01:40:42 AM
Much as I love Terra, I have to admit giving her Summon 5 was kind of going too far.  Summon 4?  Yeah, ok, makes sense if only because it was strange that she couldn't summon daddy (and didn't have a Soul Break related to it to compensate), but Summon 5 seems going too far, especially since Strago needs the buff way more and already had Summon 4; he'd have fit as FF6's token summoner (there's actually 1 summoner per realm from FF3 through 13, now, excluding FF11 obviously.  Wouldn't be shocked if Alphinaud gets added from FF14 down the line with Summon 5).

As far as Ashe goes? Yeah, I totally agree from a plot/flavoring stand point, she makes the most sense of any FF12 character to be the token Summoner for specifically the reasons you mentioned.  I'm more just saying she didn't really need it.  She was already Terra, effectively, trading in Armor for more weapon options and Breakdowns for a non-shit Default Soul Break.  It's arguably a fair trade, since as we were discussing before, if Terra is the "#1 Black Mage" then Ashe is the "#1a Black Mage" or at least will be once she gets her MC2 and a Super Soul Break (weird she didn't get this in Basch's Event.(
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 22, 2015, 02:04:23 AM
Vale of Memories banner 1 is up and I dropped all my Mythril and remaining gems on it because fuck you, Thyrus is here. End result: Magistral Rod (um), Wyrmfang x2 (what? I mean, I love Vanille, but really?), Ochu Tentacle (WHAT?), SOLDIER Sword, Gold Bangle, Shear Trigger x2 (huh) and motherfucking Thyrus. I finally have the full defensive trifecta for handling endgame content! With that in mind, since I no longer need a balanced Sage staff (Wyrmfang+ will do, really), I did the Beginner's Selection pull and picked Valkyrie. Also got a Mystery Veil, which is likely the best possible featured relic I could get from that. Now, I'll have to spend a few years on the Mondaily to max all the stuff I got.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 22, 2015, 03:07:26 AM
I'm just dropping 5 mythril on each banner, rest goes to Faris/Krile.  Got a 4-star FF2 dagger so far.  Woot.

Working on the VoM stuff.  110 fights are pretty decent challenge.

I expected that Firion/Edward/Ingus were getting screwed when they took their memory crystal data out a few weeks ago.  Now the question is, was it an error or intentional?  Going to hold on to my Hero souls until end of event just in case they fix it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 22, 2015, 03:53:24 AM
So, like Jo'ou, I dropped all my Mithril and 9000 Gems besides on the Phase 1 banner...  Granted, for Rinoa's Cardinal.  The end result?

Vanille's Wyrmfang
2x Hope's Skycutter
2x Y'shtola's Thyrus (making it my first 7* weapon)
Al Bhed Jumper
Edincoat

...And no Cardinal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 22, 2015, 03:56:56 AM
Banner 1 is of course the sexiest, so it got at least a full 50 mythril.  Yielded a Wyrmfang and a Thyrus... solving several problems!  Better AoE healing than Mystic Veil, an actual decent Rod, a second staff because that comes up... and SSII, but I mean I did have SG so it's more a perk than a huge deal.

Phase 2 orbfest of course gets neglected, but decided to throw me a stage that was 2 gigantaurs and a catuar, with 2 majors and a greater, on the last go around (probably last anyway).  So uh apparently the Random Number Goddess has smiled upon me for years of faithful sacrifice in Fire Emblem games or something.  It's eerie.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 22, 2015, 04:19:58 AM
Dammit game, I just wanted a 5* Thrown mage weapon... there's even two of them on here, but 3 11x pulls later, all I have to show for it is Thyrus and a Shear Trigger (yay more FF8 swords...). I also got a Priest Miter and a Coral Sword (IX) out of it, which is basically useless to me as I have 3x 5* FF9 swords at this point...

I guess it can replace my Diamond Sword at least...

Tempted to do one more pull. I'd really like the SSB Chakram, but that would require spending money on this game more than dollar pulls.

Can we talk about how awful it is that they didn't give us Edward, Ingus', and Firion's MCs in this event?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 22, 2015, 04:22:34 AM
I expected that Firion/Edward/Ingus were getting screwed when they took their memory crystal data out a few weeks ago.  Now the question is, was it an error or intentional?  Going to hold on to my Hero souls until end of event just in case they fix it.

Same here. As it always is the case, it's funny to watch the meltdown on Reddit over it. Sir Will especially is a shining beacon of pathetic bile.

Dammit game, I just wanted a 5* Thrown mage weapon...

You could have picked Valkyrie on the Beginner's Selection, but nooooooooo, let's go for the neglected realm synergy low-calibur sword whose main niche is about to get bulldozed by Ultimate fights.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 22, 2015, 04:24:57 AM
I expected that Firion/Edward/Ingus were getting screwed when they took their memory crystal data out a few weeks ago.  Now the question is, was it an error or intentional?  Going to hold on to my Hero souls until end of event just in case they fix it.

Same here. As it always is the case, it's funny to watch the meltdown on Reddit over it. Sir Will especially is a shining beacon of pathetic bile.

Dammit game, I just wanted a 5* Thrown mage weapon...

You could have picked Valkyrie on the Beginner's Selection, but nooooooooo, let's go with the neglected realm synergy sword whose main niche is about to get bulldozed by Ultimate fights.

Sir Will is also apparently really angry about the Summon 5 buff from what I can tell.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 22, 2015, 04:27:12 AM
Sir Will gets angry over a lot of things, like how DeNa doesn't care about Warrior of Light. In most cases, he even has a point, but it gets promptly drowned in the incessant self-congratulatory whining.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 22, 2015, 04:48:52 AM
Eh, There's another shot at a decent thrown Mage weapon on banner five and I should have enough mythril for a pull by then. Apart from the mythril I'm saving for banner 4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 22, 2015, 05:44:34 AM
Dammit game, I just wanted a 5* Thrown mage weapon...

GET GUUUUUUD SCRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUB

You guys need to get new lines.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 22, 2015, 08:16:48 AM
Out and about and the game itself isnt telling me what the SBs are for the Lucky Summoner banner that just came out in JP. Noticed there was no Golem Flute but maybe there's something else I would want. Anything good there, or should I save my mythril for the holiday banners I'm anticipating?

Edit: Saw Tyro's grimiores were up on the banner and YOLO drawed.

Nothin. At all. Thnx DeNA. It's k that just means I'll get the Platina Sword first draw, right? Right.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 22, 2015, 11:52:22 AM
So, you remember in FFV when you're walking through that cave and there's this narrow passage with this robot sprite walking around?  And you don't know what it is so you try to talk to it and OMG IT'S OMEGA and you get a gameover?  Yeah, this is that Omega.  It is a rapefest.

Came close to beating it, need to tweak a few things.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 22, 2015, 12:37:35 PM
Hm. So the main thing standing between me and a physical beatdown build is a Record Materia that would let Mog start fights with an SB gauge filled. To get that I need to get either Cloud or Tyro to their second level break. Vale of Memories has blank MC2s. Thus, it would be very nice if I could get my A team from "struggles with Orbfest + fights" to "can beat one of VOM's boss fights with no time to build SBs" in the next week and a half. I have Mythril for two X11 draws (and could maybe build up enough for a third if I go whole hog on story dungeons, but that would mean neglecting Orbfest), a crap-ton of Growth Eggs and enough orbs to craft decent 4 star abilities by the time Orbfest is done with, but not to refine them very far (if at all). Hopeless?

(Edit: currently my best realm synergy for the event is FF8, with Blitz Sword and Valiant -- I'd have to burn a Soul of a Hero to recruit Irvine to put it to full use, though; my gunners currently are Barret, Lightning and Sazh). I have better-than-nothing FF7 synergy, with Gold Sword and two 4 star gloves I can combine. FF4, I've got Rydia's Ice Whip and then nothing, and for FFX I've got straight-up nothing.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 22, 2015, 01:54:23 PM
Paladin Cecil is the most cheesable of the four bosses, having only physicals to sport and half of his sparse skillset being shut down by Draw Fire + Retaliate entirely. Whether this is enough, I dunno, and Darkness is powerful enough to warrant a SSII/SG RW, cutting down on your offense, but it's a start.

EDIT: Guys, did your daily login bonuses not come up today? Also, why did DeNa send me 67 Mythril?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 22, 2015, 02:03:43 PM
Yeah, I got a free Mythril from Dr. Mog's Mythril Stash when I loaded the game up this morning and another when the date changed, but no other daily bonus beyond my RW cash.

(Also, for Draw Fire/Retaliate my best approach would be to recruit and cap break Gilgamesh, no?)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 22, 2015, 02:05:54 PM
If you woke up early you got 2 Mythril Stash today, but nobody got Christmas Login stuff.  You got 67 mythril cause you spent a fuckton on Phase 1.  Looks like 6 11 draws and 1 100 gem?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 22, 2015, 02:31:01 PM
Yeah, I got a free Mythril from Dr. Mog's Mythril Stash when I loaded the game up this morning and another when the date changed, but no other daily bonus beyond my RW cash.

(Also, for Draw Fire/Retaliate my best approach would be to recruit and cap break Gilgamesh, no?)

Yes, but if you feel you can't spare the Souls/Lodes, Tyro/Loserface also works. GRANTED, Gilgamesh is an amazing PC and deserves being a priority pick on Vale of Memories anyway.

EDIT: Cait doesn't get a SBB? Lame. HOWEVER, the prize accessory for the event is CLOUD'S BLONDE WIG. Also, his megaphone is indeed an instrument. DeNa dun good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 22, 2015, 03:54:08 PM
If I'm aiming for a physical-oriented party, I figure at the very least the best Draw/Retaliate PC should be a first alternate. And since I have two spots already locked up by Mog and Cloud (if he'll be at level 80, why not use him in my A team?) I've got one Soul for a first alternate.

(Edit: Hey, they added character levels back to the RW display! Thanks, DeNa.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 22, 2015, 04:22:18 PM
Yeah, that's a good idea. Bartz is also a great physical PC who'll get his MC2 in about three months (and Steal Power is a better buff to ATK than Sunbath, but self-only). Granted, he may be returning as a recruitable on the next event...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 22, 2015, 04:30:18 PM
I can wait and see on that, since they're letting us spend Souls and Lodes for a week after the actual dungeons close.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 22, 2015, 04:49:48 PM
Beat Omega, lost 1 action and 1 damage medal because the last Stop missed and he touched Vivi.

Selphie (Stop r4, Curaga that doesn't actually get used) whatevers RM
Vivi (Thundaja r3, Thundaga r3) Devotion RM
Rinoa (Thundaga r5, Ruinga r3) with Witch hat and Mako Might RM
Aerith (Stop r4, Reflect r2), Auto Reflect RM
Tyro (Swift Bolt r4, Mental Breakdown r1)  Attunement II RM  [note: don't use this, Swift Bolt sucks]

Vivi was hitting 9200 after Witchcraft, Tyro 5000.  Misfortune Exdeath is going to be easy compared to this with half the resistance and synergy bonuses.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 22, 2015, 09:41:54 PM
I also cleared Omega through the Stop lock strat, missed mastery because Omega got a single turn to Wave Cannon my party. Probably not bothering with mastery either, looooool 10k Gil.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 22, 2015, 11:07:13 PM
So, after many trials and tribulations, I managed to beat Omega.  Even better, I managed to get Mastery.

My set-up:
Aeris L55 - Faith R2/Stop R5 - Zeal
Thyrus++, Defense Veil+, Emerald Ring
Tyro L65 - Thundaga R3/Swift Bolt R4 - Devotion
Valkyrie, Circlet, Magick Gloves
Rinoa L65 - Ruinga R2/Thundaja R4 - Attunement II
Rising Sun+, Estharian Helmet, Amulet
Hope L52 - Reflect R4/Thundaga R4 - Vow of Vengeance
Skycutter+, Shinra Helmet, Mage's Armlet
Cloud L80 - Thundaga Strike R3/Thundara Strike R3 - Dragoon's Determination
Cobalt Katzbalger+, Adamant Bangle, Silver Glasses
RW: Boon

Weak link of this party: Cloud, hilariously enough.

My opening turn was basically Aeris stop, Tyro Boon, Rinoa Thundaja, Hope Reflect (on Cloud), and Cloud using Thundaga Strike.  Then, of course, Flash eventually landed on Cloud through the Silver Glasses, so he just got to stand there and look pretty for over half the fight.  Faithed Tyro Swift Bolts and Hope Thundagas were doing about 5.5K each, and Rinoa was doing 7K Thundajas before Faith, and 10K after.

I took a lot of time gambling with Aeris by weaving Stops and Faith uses, while everyone else just spammed damage.  Once Tyro/Hope/Rinoa were all Faithed, she only cast Stop.

Then of course, Omega was getting time when he wasn't being Stopped.  Landed a Rocket Punch on Cloud, and then a Blaster, which killed him.  At the time, I finally decided to say "screw it" and left Cloud for dead while I ran to everyone else to clean up.

...And then the medals screen comes up and lo and behold, I only lost one medal...  For Actions Taken.

Go me!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 23, 2015, 12:23:07 AM
Double stop. Got cocky. Lost two medals.

Meh.

Don't think I'm doing again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 23, 2015, 01:05:22 AM
For Shale: run of a weaponless Loserface mastering solo VoM's Dark Cecil by abusing the fact he dies after twenty turns. Weirdly hilarious.

http://youtu.be/m-eXjgMlRpE
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 23, 2015, 10:03:00 AM
Kuja's event cleared up to the 凶 battle. Missed mastery on Valia Pira because that thing has ABSURD defenses even with 5 FF9 characters. Even hitting his weakness, I couldn't crank out more than 3000 damage a turn. Seriously obnoxious. Gonna go back with just enough FFIX characters to lock out it's Flare/Holy slots and have Bartz and Mog thrown in to beef up my damage.

Steiner looks really easy, probably gonna use Come At Me Bro just to get around his breaks and just whittle him down. Kuja, on the other hand, looks absolutely ridiculous and is probably gonna be another 凶+battle that I just skip. Gonna be a lot of those for a while (sigh... unless I get a Wall SB... Seriously I kinda wanna slap DJ around a bit for how much he complains about having gotten Sentinel's Grimiore).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 23, 2015, 11:14:36 AM
You should slap DJ around anyways, having a Wall relic is glorious.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 23, 2015, 02:29:41 PM
Seph event quests finally got released so I finally got to do the bonus battles.  Ended up wasting stamina because I forgot to take the event quest on boss rush.  Ah well.  Pretty easy overall, and Helletic Hojo gets trivialized by Come At Me Bro.

Summon/Fire/Ice is the "meh" phase for me.  Summons are unnecessary until 6 months down the line, and I have a good stock of ice orbs already.  More fire would be nice but I'll probably take some time off from festive-ing and clear the new dungeons for more stamina.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 23, 2015, 03:36:37 PM
For Shale: run of a weaponless Loserface mastering solo VoM's Dark Cecil by abusing the fact he dies after twenty turns. Weirdly hilarious.

http://youtu.be/m-eXjgMlRpE

Okay, so I don't even need offense, I just go Maximum Tank and win by surviving long enough? Works for me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 23, 2015, 07:05:11 PM
Yup. Dark Cecil is hilarious good times.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 23, 2015, 07:07:54 PM
Anyhow, phase 3 farming has been more leisurely now that I have R4 Blizzaja. The game's been handing me almost nothing but Greater and Major Ice Orbs, which is fine by me. Phase 4 is where I'll focus my fire 100%, since I need ALL of the orbs involved. In the meantime, thankless Loserface and Tidus RM3 farming is a go.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 23, 2015, 07:40:20 PM
Steiner down. I made it way harder on myself by using Come At Me Bro, I tell you Hwat.

Ramza (R4 Armor, R4 Power BD), RM same as always
Zack (R4 Indoor Spell, R3 NOBODY UNDERSTANDS MY PAIN... whatever it's called. 4* Combat MT Dark attack.), RM same as always
Gilgamesh (R5 Come At Me Bro), Who Cares
Mog (Shellga, Curaga), RM same as always
Aeris (Protectga, Curaja), RM same as always
SG RW

So at this stage of the game, Come At Me Bro actually neuters my damage by a lot. I can't have Aeris or Mog attack Gilgy to get him extra damage because I need them building SB constantly, and one reta counter a round plus a physical attack every four rounds (Taunt, Reta, Attack, Reta, repeat) is like half of an Indoor spell attack every round. I'm really surprised I got mastery, because by the end of the fight everyone was out of charges and I was reduced to using basic physicals. Thought I'd lose a turns taken medal for sure. Gilgamesh was ideally there to soak up Power Break hits so Zack and Ramza didn't have their damage neutered, and he did that job well enough but was completely dead weight for the rest of it. Putting Strongwater on Mog and Honing Drainga or Darkga to R3 and throwing Terra with Faith/Darkga would have been the much smarter choice. Heck, swapping in Kefka just to try out the new Darkness skills without honing them would have been given me more overall damage in the fight, and that would have been a really dumb move.

Come At Me Bro is dead.

I just feel tired whenever I watch the Kuja battle videos so I think I'm gonna skip. Maybe I'll play around with it tomorrow. Meh
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 23, 2015, 08:26:17 PM
FARMED LOSERFACE RM3 FUCK YOU GAME

Also picked up Spellblade Spring II, Archer's 2nd RM and Cecil's 3rd along the way. Moving along, moving along.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 24, 2015, 01:49:31 AM
5 mythril on banner 2 got me a generic IX Power Sash.  Fifth 5-star light armor, and third piece of FF9 5-star armor.  #thisgame
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 24, 2015, 03:49:10 AM
I do a 100 Gem pull on the 2nd phase of the SSB Fest and I get...

...a 3* Platinum Sword from FF12.  Well that was a wash.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 24, 2015, 04:04:25 AM
Gave in to temptation and tossed a couple single pulls after the 100 gem, ended up with 2 3 stars and a 4.  Eh, essentially I just spent the refunded mythril from the Banner 1 shenanigans so I can't complain about not getting anything, especially after that lovely draw on banner 1.  Kinda twitchy for Banner 3 to drop since I just kinda LIKE actually spending mythril.  Also it'll be pretty vital to determining how to approach the Beginner's Banner, because if it comes down to it and I get through Vale without a good FFX weapon I'll have to blow it on the Dusk Lance I think.

C'mon RNG don't make me waste a draw on Kimahri's Lance.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 24, 2015, 04:59:13 AM
Man, you could just wait for Rikku's banner instead. Or Jecht's. FFX events show up all the time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 24, 2015, 08:02:47 AM
Used 50 mithril.

Got zacks sword and a mage armlet for x.

Not bad.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 24, 2015, 09:02:53 AM
FF7 event dropped. The timed missions (complete an Elite Stage with Cloud + whoever he can go on a date with in the Gold Saucer) are cute.

Also with this I now have 11 Blank Hero Souls, and I am missing exactly 11 characters from the roster. What I mean to say is, I have 0 blank hero souls and have everyone the game has ever released. So that's neat. Also back up to 125 mythril, 150 should be more than doable before holiday banners drop.

What would be hilarious is if there are no Holiday banners and DeNA is just taunting me. That'd be great.

EDIT: And with that, someone crafted their first Ultima!

... 5.25x2 Multiplier.

IT'S WEAKER THAN FLARE. Admittedly, being 2 hits lets it break the damage cap...... except they just updated it so every Summon can do that too. And it's much, much weaker than Bahamut. 

This is on a spell that took 4 months for enough materials to be available to even just craft it assuming you cleared every bit of content in that time. The fuck, DeNA?

EDIT 2: I am reading the FFRK subreddit because I hate myself. So many people complaining about getting Thyrus when they were trying for Rinoa's SSB. Guuuuuuuuys. Y'all dumb.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 24, 2015, 02:13:21 PM
Looking at the banners I'm thinking the current one is what'll get my 100 Mithril. Blade Beam would be my best possible pull from the event assuming I do get Cloud's second cap break, I could really use Sentinel Grimoire, and the undercard stuff is still at least okay.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 24, 2015, 04:08:50 PM
Yeah, banner 2 has a great mix of physical weapons to go along with Sentinel's Grimoire and the mage weapon on it ain't bad either. It also looks more attractive for those who haven't landed Thyrus on the first banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 24, 2015, 04:24:15 PM
First draw: 9X 3 star, Runeblade, Power Sash. It's not exactly the mitigation SB I was hoping for, but I can use it without Tyro so it's better than a poke in the eye, plus it lets me use Protectga without spending all my Greater Earth Orbs making Protectga.

Edit: Second draw gave me four 4 stars but only one 5: Tiger Fangs. Meeeeeeeeeh. It's FF7 synergy other than the Gold Sword, at least. I also got a second Warrior's Blade so I can make an FFX 4+, that's not nothing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 24, 2015, 04:52:35 PM
I was feeling lucky so I did a 900 Gem pull on the 2nd banner...

...and got Sentinel Grimoire.  I'm not allowed to complain, am I?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 24, 2015, 05:20:45 PM
Ashe's Runeblade? Man, that's a nice draw for your battle mage and it doubles as a minor AoE heal. It's also great in Terra's hands. The Power Sash is also one of the best Light Armors around with that +10 Attack in addition to Protectga SB.

EDIT: Meeple: no, you're not.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 24, 2015, 05:35:02 PM
Power Sash is also the only 5 star armor I've found that's not a mage equip. So yeah, handy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 25, 2015, 10:14:00 AM
Been a day of RK I tell you hwat.

Cleared the FF7 event through the Ultimate fight, watched videos of the Ultimate+ Boss Rush... looks actually doable, I mean compared to the mess that's Kuja's Ultimate+ fight. May do it.

Couple special events dropped, one a super easy Ultros fight that netted me an extra 6 mythril, and the Battle on the Big Bridge event too. Kefka was pretty easy, mostly notable for countering physicals and one of the mastery reqs being not getting countered more than 8 times, so I went Terra/Kefka/Mog/Aeris/Ramza. His counter rate was much lower than I expected, but whatever.

More importantly than any of that, data for the holiday banners came up. All BSSB banners, it looks like. Banner one is almost a total wash (no hastegas, featured BSSB is Cecil's), 0/8.

Banner 2 also largely sucks but notably has Fran's Fullbreak SSB and Edea's SB, which is Magic Up and Hastega, which could be nice if they start swinging back Magewise on the Meta. However, that's the only equipment there worthwhile. Yuna's BSSB is notably a lot weaker than Cloud's and Squall's, but the 5* guns would be nice. 3/8

Banner 3 is where it gets fun. Cloud's BSSB, Ramza's Yell, Agrias' Defense/MDef Down SB, and 3 different Hastega SBs (Zack, Tidus, and Ignus). Out of the 8 relics here, 6 would be a vast help to my team. 6/8

Banner 4. Scream and Stoneraskin. I can stop my analysis now. Additionally, literally everything on this banner looks like it would be a nice addition to my arsenal. The weak links are Basch and Vincent's, and even those are serviceable. 10/8

Banner 5. Terra Waifu banner, Meeple will throw 500 mythril at it and get 2 more Sentinel Grimiores. Seriously though, lot of good stuff here. The star is obviously Sentinel Grimiore and Terra and Tidus BSSBs, but Selphie's Dream Stage, Celes' Excalibur, Yuffie's MaxHP% heal, Beatrix's Rose of May and Zack's Air Strike are all good. Vaan is the weak link here, for sure. 7/8.

Banner 4 is getting all of my mythril, easily, and would be even if Scream and SRS were the only good things on the banner. The fact that EVERYTHING is good is just a bonus. with the Big Bridge event and the amount of time I have until Banner 4, 200 mythril isn't unreasonable. Banner 3 may get a 15 mythril pull or two if it's not going to detract from the number of 11 pulls I can do on Banner 4. So many hastega relics and Yell is really tempting.

Banner 5... eh, we'll see. If I get Scream but not Thyrus, I may throw some mythril at it. If I get Thyrus but not Scream I can't really justify it, Thyrus + SG is really redundant.

EDIT: Hahahahaha OK Banner 4 is even better than I thought.

Tyro's BSSB changes Attack/Defend commands to ATK/MAG and DEF/RES Breakdowns. Yes. Really.  Bartz's SB is like Squall's but the attacks are Dual Elemental, so they're strictly better than Squall's since you effectively get 4 elements.

Just. Wow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 25, 2015, 02:24:47 PM
Prepare for the deluge of Reddit posts yelling about forgetting the next SSB celebration three months from now and saving all Mythril for this one, six months away.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 25, 2015, 02:31:35 PM
To be fair, assuming you have Wall and are still clearing Ultimate fights, you kinda are. Well, at least, you are legit better off saving all of your mythril from then until the Ramza/Agrias banner a month and a half down the line. Ramza's OP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 25, 2015, 02:59:42 PM
Yeah, but that's not a majority. I mean, in my case I pretty much have no objective reason to pull on banners without SSBs anymore, but I look at those people with like five 5*s total advocating for that and man, is that depressing. Also, pulling for people you -like- is a plain reality as well. I know Yuna's BSSB ain't great, but I'm still likely to pull for it when it comes. Same for her SSB. I already have two relics for her, but eh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 25, 2015, 03:07:55 PM
True, if you don't have a lot of relics, you need to pull when you can. I only stopped once I had plenty of serviceable 5*s. And, trust me, I get the Waifu Pull. I used like 150 mythril trying to get Maduin's Horn or Celes' Excalibur on Relm's event. That doesn't mean hoarding for Ramza/Agrias' banner isn't the objectively smarter choice assuming you're otherwise set.

EDIT: TBF, It does help that I'd totally Waifu Ramza. Dem C4 Pants be explosive, yo.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 25, 2015, 03:19:35 PM
Oh, definitely. I'm just glad I now have a damned complete set to the point I could spend three months not pulling for anything and still be completely fine. A nice perk about getting native Wall/Hastega/heals is that it also raises the value of quirkier RW SBs. I wanted Lulu's Hairpin very bad, for instance, but now that I have Stoneskin II, I can just slap a few Focus RWs on my list instead and use them for fights where I want to mage meta. I'm planning to test this out on Ultimate Exdeath next week and expect stellar results if nothing else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 25, 2015, 04:22:32 PM
Oh yeah, the day when my Friend's list isn't DJ (who is running Aeris' Reraise SSB instead of SG, the prick), a handful of Ramzas, and 80 rando SG/SRSs will be a weird day indeed.

---

FF13 Odin dropped in the Big Bridge event. Haven't cleared it yet, though he's not so hard I'm just throwing my hands up and quitting. First try, I threw in Kefka with the new Darkness skills to do SCIENCE!!, and found out that Memento: Mori doesn't cancel out other dooms (meaning, 60 second Doom doesn't reduce to 45 Second Doom), so it literally has no downside on bosses like this. Notably, this boss boosts his MDef at 75% HP probably because of this. K.

Really can't decide if Scream or SGSRS is the better RW here. Odin hits HARD without Wall, but cranking out enough damage with 3 unhasted characters in 30 seconds is looking, uh, bleak. I may want to go SGSRS and have 4 fighters, putting Attack Song on Ramza to boost my damage.

Getting flashes of what made me really start to like about this game with this fight. The correct party/equipment composition isn't super obvious and requires some thought, but it isn't so hard that it literally cannot be done without SBs I lack after playing the game like it's a fuckin' second job for the last 4 months. If they REALLY want to make Ultimate+ fights out of reach for everyone except the whales, fine. Business is business. But it'd be nice if the Ultimate fights were closer to this difficulty and less "Oh let me hone these skills then use the exact same party I always use." 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 25, 2015, 06:35:49 PM
Odin heavily emphasizes multi-hit physicals from my memory, though Ultimate fights often expand on skillsets. If that remains the case, you could have a PC with high defense rocking Draw Fire, since its Def boost stacks with Protectga. Retaliate isn't a great idea lest you have a synergy XIII weapon, though, so you can have your Knight rocking an offensive ability in tandem with DF. FFXIII Eidolon fights really ask for a Hastega relic/RW due to the Doom-enforced time limit, so if you can run that, it'll be pretty nifty. Don't skimp on magical mitigation, though, since his AoE also hurts.

EDIT: Tangentially, Reraise cheeses Doom. Relevant for you, since you have Aerith's SSB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 26, 2015, 01:59:30 AM
Banner 3 drops.  As I'm one of the only players drawing on it, I pull the Force Saber and Polymorph Rod.  If I'd nabbed Golem Flute somehow it'd be beyond amazing, but my first SSB and a boost to FFIV synergy is still excellent.  Debating whether to sink remaining mythril into one of the last two banners or just to save up for the beginner banner at this point, for all I'm not 100% sure what I want off it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 26, 2015, 02:55:10 AM
Wow, -someone- for whom Tidus will remain relevant for a couple months ahead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 26, 2015, 04:55:08 AM
Mastered Odin. Got kinda lucky. I did in fact have some FF13 synergy in the form of a dagger, so I tried Come At Me Bro not really expecting it to work, because it really neuters my damage otherwise. That said, his big attack (Heaven Strike?) isn't Reta-able, but does respect Taunt, so fortunately Gilgamesh is pretty tanky. His other big attack, 4x Strike, IS reta-able, though, and went off twice, netting me a cool 3500*8 damage, which is probably about as much as he would have done with Banish Raid over the course of the fight, so hey.

Party ended up being

Ramza (Full Break, Power Breakdown)
Zack (Indoor Spell, Drain Strike)
Agrias (Vanish Raid, Protectga)
Gilgamesh (Come At, Me Bro)
Aeris (Shellga, Curaja)
Scream RW

Now, what would have been smarter, and would have been give Agrias the dagger, put Taunt on her, and put Drain Strike on her, since that would have given me enough synergy to heal from Heaven Strike. I'd still need protectga, but I now have two protectga relics, so I could have put my Attack Ribbon on Gilgamesh and combined that with Mako Might. Well, I probably would have swapped Gilgamesh for Faris, actually, so I could have access to more Breakdowns. But regardless, it worked this way so whatever.

Re: Reraise. I'm aware that I have it, and I'm aware that it cheeses out doom, but... honestly Reraise is basically false hope if your whole party gets offed in higher level content. Don't get me wrong, having reraise is strictly better than not having reraise, but consider this. When you revive, you revive with 25% HP AND ALL buffs cancelled. So, best case scenario, only one person dies and you're frantically trying to get your mitigation back up and heal back up to a survivable HP before they get RNG-offed, and you lose some turns you could be using to do other things. Worst case scenario, which happened every time I tried to just YOLT through Doom, is everyone dies at the same time and the boss uses an unmitigated MT attack next turn that wipes you out regardless.

Reraise gets much more utility from being a safety net in case a single person dies. In lower level content it could be used to just cheese past doom, and in higher level content it can be used to cheese past party-killing moves that also cause the boss to Suicide (thinking Demon Wall 12 here), but it's not even that good as a last line of defense for full party survivability.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 26, 2015, 05:24:40 AM
Wow, -someone- for whom Tidus will remain relevant for a couple months ahead.

I know!  Honestly he... kinda needs something, unless Celerity's got something besides fucking Quick Hit coming up for relevant 5 star abilities.  Still,  Indoor Spell is... what, two and a half weeks?  So while his base skillset is pretty weak the SSB burst is enough to keep him party-worthy at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 26, 2015, 07:01:08 AM
A SSB is awesome. A physical SSB is even better. Especially since now you know where to throw all those Rosetta Stones. I was hoping for any of the physical SSBs during the fest but unless banner 5 pays off, I've already missed out in my designated pulls thus far. I DID snag a Skycutter, Runeblade 12 and another Butterfly sword 9, so at least I've got some crazy good gear that fills in some holes in my inventory, but a physical SSB would just be a nice leg up on future events.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 26, 2015, 07:13:45 AM
Oh god yes, I had 4 rosetta stones in inventory and they are all on that sword now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 26, 2015, 01:43:25 PM
JP Orb fest, yay.

Did some math, looks like I can juuuuuust barely reach 200 mythril by the time Banner 4 hits if I skip one of the Orb phases (but still clear them once to get the mythril). Debating skipping Summon/Earth/Ice or White/Fire/Dark. I have plenty of MDOs and MWOs, but Fires are always nice... that said, after the free MFOs I get for mastery, I'll have enough for R3 Meteo, and then I kinda don't care.  Similarly, I have a ton of MEOs, but if I farm phase 1 I can get R2 Saint's Cross AND R3 Meteo, I need a ton of MIOs for R3 Full Break, and MSOs are the rarest Orb by far, and I could potentially get to R2 Bahamut which would be fun, or R4 valefor which would be practical. I could also cut into my Phase 3 time, but that's Wind + Black Power so lolno.

Well after writing that paragraph I'm not debating anymore. C'mon Summon orbs.

On that note, in less than 90 stamina I got two Giant Cactaurs and in less than 120 I got those + 2 regular cactaurs, so, neat. They were Earth orbs, but hey. It's nice to be in an orb fest again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 26, 2015, 03:41:57 PM
Orbfests are so glorious. Speaking of which, since I have a bunch of leftover gems for stamina refreshes, I decided to do a minor RNG experiment right after getting a run with two Gigantuars dropping major orbs and a Cactuar dropping a Greater Orb in a single fight and tossed a cult-of-3 to banner 3 of SBS. End result: two 5*s, one being an Estharian Helmet and the other Tellah's Polymorph Rod. I guess I can cover almost literally every mage niche now with two whips (granted, only one of them is really a mage whip since Ochu Tentacle has 75 MAG, but I guess it's another ranged option for Faris), a thrown weapon, two staves, Golbez's Rune Axe and -seven- rods, not to mention the myriad hats. I really need to start rolling on physical banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 26, 2015, 04:08:14 PM
RNGesus smiling on me also, already got two Major Power Orbs since last night.  I can craft Full Break now, but I think I'll hold off unless I feel I actually need it.  Would rather save the orbs for Explosive Fist.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 27, 2015, 12:52:37 AM
Beat Omega, mastered! I actually had to do 2 attempts.  First one, I wouldn't have needed if I had ONE move difference:

Pound instead of Mental break.

See, here's what happened: he got down to pixel rage.  Any decent blow would have killed so Cloud has Mental Break queued, that should be enough! *miss* No, Cloud was NOT blinded here, he just missed on the rare chance.  If it was Pound, it would have hit and I'd have one.

The 2nd time, I had Planet Protector instead of Medica II as my RW, so Cloud/Squall were hitting much harder and I didn't have to time as much with stops, and won through that.

Team was Terra w/ Thundaja/Thundaga, Y'shtola w/ Reflect/Stop, Tellah w/ Esuna/Stop (weird choice, yes, but first character I stumbled across who I knew could use both), Cloud w/ Thundara Sword/Pound, Squall w/ Thundaga Sword + Thunder Sword (yes, Thunder Sword; wasn't using those 2* Orbs and with weakness it was still better than anything else he could use.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 27, 2015, 02:04:27 AM
Recommendations on the Christmas freebie? I'm leaning bracers, but an FF7 weapon wouldn't go totally amiss.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 27, 2015, 02:52:48 AM
I ended up getting the bracers since the rod turned out to be a white mage weapon.  The bracers are a lot better than the free shinra betas they give in FF7 events, and I already have three physical weapons for FF7.  The dagger is the same at level 20 as the Gold Sword they gave out not long ago.

11 pull on Faris banner.  Got Aevis Killer (yay!), Ninja Garb (facepalm), two four-stars.  Saving the rest of my mythril for banner 2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 27, 2015, 03:33:52 AM
I went with the Mittens myself.  I figured an attack boosting armor might be more useful than another Rod that boosts Mind (I already have the Lullaby Rod) or a 4.5* Dagger when I have both the Psicom Knife AND an Assassin's Knife+, as well as weapons that should accommodate any melee character for the most part, so yeah.

As far as Soul Breaks go?  I already have MT Healing via Mystery Veil, and don't really have use for an MT Damage Soul Break either.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 27, 2015, 07:53:05 AM
Mittens are the best choice unless you're REALLY hurting for a Staff and/or a MT Heal SB. That said it's MT heal is cure-level and therefore pretty awful. FFVII is one of the easiest realm synergies to get, and literally any 4*+ or Natural 5* weapon you pull is going to be better than the dagger.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 27, 2015, 02:05:08 PM
Yeah, between Zack's Buster Sword, the Gold Sword from the event a few months back, and Tifa's Grand Glove, I'm good on melee Synergy in FF7 Realms.   Granted, not everyone is in my situation, but just highlighting why my decision was really easy once I saw the Rod's stats.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 27, 2015, 02:45:46 PM
Pulled zidanes sword in phase 3.

Tried my luck in the ffv relic draw. Got nothing...

I really need more ff5 synergy, so I may try again...

But my luck on non special event draws has been bad..

So who knows!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 27, 2015, 05:52:01 PM
Cap-broke Faris and Krile, now it's back to Power Orb farming for the next few days.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 27, 2015, 07:06:02 PM
Apparently, Cecil's BSSB adds En-Holy to himself, something the description left out, so his attacks in Burst Mode are actually 50% stronger in practice, and thus his BSSB is somewhat more interesting.

It's expected Tidus gets a similar benefit with En-Water on his, since apparently that was added to the coding the same time as En-Holy or something.  This also makes Tidus' BSSB a lot better in practice, not just because of raw damage, but since his are Water/None, it means a 33% damage loss at worst against Water resistance, with the base damage now being much higher to boot.

Given Terra and Bartz are multi-elemental bursts, I doubt either are getting any hidden perks in this regard.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 28, 2015, 02:13:30 AM
Did 100 Gem, got a 3* piece of crap!  Well, that was expected!

Then I did 50 Mithril pull on the banner.  I already have the Blazefire Sabre and the Lullaby Rod, but really want the Minerva Bustier, and after throwing away way more money than necessary on the Holy Lance banner in hopes of something good, I'm expecting the game to give me one of those two of course (...ok, so 2nd copies of an FF10 Rod and FF13 Sword aren't bad, to be fair, since those are realms that matter and Swords and Rods are generically useful, UNLIKE SETZER'S DARTS >_<), because hey, that's my luck!

My results?

-Bunch of 3*, who cares.  Funnily enough, another FF12 Diamond Sword that I won't make use of!
-Another FF4 Black Robe; I have a ++ version of this, I don't need another.
-An FF5 Giant's Axe...perfect timing really, especially since I have a 4+* of this and with the Rune Axe, I won't complain about a 4++* version right when an FF5 event just dropped (holding off on doing the event until next phase of the festival)
-FF12 Viking Coat.  Eh, could be worse; it's a 5* Armor with a Soul Break attached, and with plenty of FF12 Dungeons I need to go back to anyway (especially if I want Ricard's Memory Crystal), this seems actually useful
-And the Minerva Bustier...

...wait, what?  The game actually gave me exactly what I wanted in my 1st 11 Pull!?  God damn it, now I'm sitting on 128 Mithril and I don't know what to do with it!  THIS COMPLETELY THROWS A WRENCH IN MY IDEAS!  I HAVE TO ACTUALLY DECIDE NOW IF I WANT TO DRAW ON THE FF5 BANNERS OR NOT!!! CURSE YOU GAME!!!

Though seriously, having some pretty awesome luck as of late.  Sentinel Grimoire and Zack's Buster Sword on consecutive "on a whim" 3 Relic Pulls and Minerva Bustier on the first 11 pull, I'm feeling quite good about myself! Now all I need is a Magic based Rod and I'm good (my only 5* Rod is the Lullaby Rod, which is a mind-based one...granted, still higher Magic than like any 4* Rod, so it's not BAD or anything...)

...which is why I'm tempted to pull on the FF5 Banner for Krile's Rod.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 28, 2015, 02:32:12 AM
Banner 4! Time to pull like crazy!

First draw! Two 5*s! Shiny even! What could they be.... Tyro's Book! Well... I guess at least that's a SSB finally, even though it's like the only one I -didn't- want. The next one is.... another fucking Tyro's Book. Okay game, I get it. I give up. I will learn to love Tyro.

Second draw! Two 5*s! Shiny again! Here we go... Lullaby Rod! Fuck yeah, Yuna is awesome now! Second one is... Lulu's Hairpin! No fucking way! That is basically the best result I could have possibly hoped for!

It's not a Terra relic, but damn, I'm quitting while I'm ahead. There will be more Terra relics. For now, getting the two best things on the banner in one pull is a smart time to stop.

Also, I dunno if it's just me, but the latest day of Orbfest has been dropping Majors fairly regularly... and Greaters are dropping like candy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 28, 2015, 03:21:09 AM
I was actually expecting Tyro's Book too, for a "non-troll" kind of 5*, since it'd fall in that lovely middle-ground of "not ideal, but acceptable."  The fact that I got Terra's relic...in one legitimate pull (the 100 Gem pull is a "what the hey, why not")...after I beat my head against the wall on Mog's banner trying to get it...yeah.

Really, the fact that I got a relic for Terra AND Zack, probably my two favorite characters in RK, during the Soul Break celebration is great.  Not to mention it's an FF7 Sword and an FF6 Armor, two kinds of synergy that get plenty of use throughout.

Randomly, here's my character relics I have the at the moment and what I think of them!  Skipping Zack and Terra's since I pretty much already covered them.

Locke's Rising Sun: Acceptible; I was more pissed when I got it since I didn't have Locke, but that's since past
Thancred's Ninja Chainmail x2: They gave me 2 in one pull...this meant I had 2 5* Armors post Powercreep so can't complain.  I like Thancred, so wasn't complaining here
Auron's Shimmering Blade: Hey, a 5* Katana, CYAN AND SEPHIROTH ARE HAPPY!  More to the point, yay an Auron relic and a good one (MT Power Breakdown? Huzzah!), I am totally ok with this!
Tidus' Brotherhood: On one hand, I like Tidus...on the otherhand, I can't find realistic use of him.  His skillset is uninspired, and I am regretting using a Memory Crystal on him...because he's about to get a reissue and I didn't notice -_-
Lightning's Blazefire Sabre: unlike Tidus, I actually paid attention and didn't waste a memory crystal on her due to reissuing.  That said, I like Lightning, and it's a good weapon, so no complaints here.
Tifa's Grand Glove: It's a weapon for Red XIII...that's seriously all it means to me.  He's useful as a Support character for FF7 Events and this is an FF7 Synergy Weapon he can use.  I like Tifa but I've resigned to the fact that "Monks Suck" and thus won't get use out of her.
Garnet's Storm Staff: I got this well after Garnet hit level 50...it's a high magic staff! I don't mind Garnet, but what this said to me really is "She is your White Mage/Summoner, deal with it!"...
Yuna's Lullaby Rod: ...until I got this.  Finally a 5* Rod and a more useful Soul Break, and on a character I like more who can do basically everything the same (And has Support 3 I think), sorry Garnet, you're pretty much pure FF9 now (or if I really need 2 White Mage/Summoners)
Squall's Shear Trigger: It's not the Cutting Trigger...but it's also better than the Revolver...yeah, it'll do. 
Rinoa's Rising Sun: ...you mock me game.  Giving me a relic to make me consider using Rinoa over other Black Mages becaues "**** you, you will use Rinoa and YOU WILL LIKE IT!"  Also it's my 3rd "MT Slow Character Soul Break" AND my 2nd Rising Sun related one...screw you game >:(
Setzer's Darts x2: Ok, one Darts is fine; it's a Soul Break for Setzer, and clears up some synergy concerns for like Locke and such during FF6 Events (both characters like the Rising Sun.)  Unlike the Ninja Chainmail, a 2nd one of these feels completely pointless and seriously, **** you game for giving me two of the one relic I can't really make use of!  I mean, heck, 2 of Rinoa's Rising Suns at least would feel meaningful in case I found a reason to use Hope AND Rinoa at the same time (and eventually Edea down the line) but this is just trollolololol
Balthier's Ras Alghetti: From the Dr. Mog give away, it's a 5* Gun, something I don't have, so the choice was obvious here.   I don't care about Balthier much, more the 5* Gun, since now characters like Sazh and Barret (AND IRVINE!!!!) have legitimate weapons (that aren't Knives), as well as Lightning and Balthier now being able to do their "ranged Spellblade" gimmick appropriately. 
Tyro's Sentinel Grimoire: Randomly did a 900 Gem Pull, got this, I am not allowed to complain because it's the freaking Sentinel Grimoire

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 28, 2015, 04:12:57 AM
I really wanted Lulu's Hairpin and Minerva Bustier, but I just couldn't justify pulling on that banner when I already have over half the relics in it. This said, I'm already perfectly happy with the results of this SBS even if I didn't get a SSB so far (maybe I'll pull on phase 5, I like Pecil as a PC and Cutting Trigger is quite powerful too). And since Meeple's going over his character relics, I'll go over mine. E-peen spectacular, go.

Vivi's Oak Staff: My very first character relic and man, did it tide me over for the longest time. Still one of my strongest mage sticks and pretty much brought me over the curve just as magic as a viable option started to hit its stride. Vivi was also the top BM for a long time, which made it even better in its heyday.
Red XIII's Diamond Pin: Weird little thing. On the one hand, it was a game-changer relic I got as soon as it was released. On the other hand, Red not having a MC for a looooooooooooong time really hampered its usefulness somewhere in the middle. Then, when he was about to get that MC released, I got Vega, but that's another story. Still a great FF7 synergy weapon and the SB is amazing anyway.
Wakka's Official Ball: This was what I got for show from my first Magistral Rod chase. Also really good for quite a while, since FF10 synergy is important and Wakka's SB was a great short-term DPS boost for a good while. Relegated to FF10 nowadays, but not bad.
Golbez's Rune Axe: Where my accidental rise to hilarious FF4 mage synergy began and my second mage weapon, if very limited. It made Golbez a beast for a month or so, which I can't complain about, and borderline trivialized his otherwise nasty as hell event dungeons. That alone is worth something.
Lightning's Blazefire Saber: My top sword until uh last week. This made Lightning my top physical damage dealer for the longest time and still proves useful more often than not. Helped me slaughter Hope's event, which is nice.
Cyan's Kotetsu: Katanas are pretty legit, but I used Bushido Dragon thrice over the time I've had this. Constantly carry the weapon around even now, at least.
Sazh's Vega 42s: Jesus christ. The stories are all true, Boon is completely godlike. Sazh himself is a useful support, so this just skyrocketed him into top tier in my party for a long time.
Rydia's Ice Whip: Yay, elemental-boosting mage weapon! I like Rydia well enough, but getting this just as she got a huge boost to her abilities was amazing timing. Sorta limited otherwise, but I can't complain about this weapon. Also, see hilarious FF4 mage synergy.
Tidus' Brotherhood: Uh, the weapon isn't very good as of now outside of FF10 synergy, but I guess I needed more swords.
Snow's Wild Bear: The SB is honestly kinda useless (one-hit generic ice-elemental, oh boy), but it's a good Light Armor, I suppose. Great for tanking Shiva back on Hope's event.
Eiko's Golem Flute: 3/3 for currently available Hastega relics and my best MND weapon due to being 5+*. Too bad it's limited to essentially herself. Emerald Light is a great SB, at least!
Yuna's Lullaby Rod: I was gunning more for Lulu's Magical Mog on the banner, but -holy shit-, I've coveted this since release. And now that I have it, I have no shortage of good things to say about it. The stats aren't so hot for MAG, but Hymn of the Fayth is game-changingly good. Doesn't hurt that I love Yuna as a PC and as a character, this was a wonderful pickup.
Tidus' Lightning Steel: Another Tidus weapon? At least, the SB is a lot better and the sword, while still a bit behind in ATK, has a nifty Lightning boosting bonus, which is cool for my Spellblades. I'm actually finding interesting uses for this outside FF10. This cemented the utter ridiculousness of my FF10 synergy, though.
Reno's Telescopic Baton: Weirdly cool weapon, to be honest. Magic is fine, the attack on it is kinda funny (and makes it an actual FF7 PHYSICAL synergy option on Gilgamesh!) and MAG-focused FF7 equips aren't very easy to come by.
Yuna's Magistral Rod: You came about four months too late. Oh well, more FF10 mage synergy.
Vanille's Wyrmfang: So this is what I was chasing on Hope's banner. Then the game tossed me two of them and now it's tied for my third-best MAG weapon, along with being my best option for Sage equips. I can't complain about having AoE healing options now. Also, I can fully outfit a balanced party for FF13 synergy with it. Man, my synergy on FF13 and 10 is simply nuts.
Squall's Shear Trigger: At 5+*, this helps cover my previously woeful FF8 synergy and works as my top sword currently. The SB ain't too bad either.
Y'shtola's Thyrus: After a horrible experience chasing this on the FF14 collab, it finally found its way into my hands. Can't wait to put a native Wall to use on the upcoming Ultimate fights. The staff itself has great MND and would be my top cleric equip if Wyrmfang didn't come in a double dip, but some WHMs can't use Rods (hi, Rosa, coming up in a couple weeks), so there's that.
Rinoa's Valkyrie (Beginner's Banner): I hate Rinoa as a human being, but she's actually kind of a cool PC in RK, and knowing she'll be the top mage for a couple months, I felt having an actual Soul Break for her wouldn't -hurt-, since Angelo Cannon is awful. The weapon itself is frankly outdated, but what can ya do.
Tellah's Polymorph Rod: Utterly random pickup, but perfect balance between MAG and MND is something and Tellah's still not a bad PC by any means. I gave it my Rosetta Stones because of utter lack of upmats and stuff to use them on and now it's randomly my highest MAG rod due to a Major Augment proc, which is funny.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 28, 2015, 07:39:41 AM
Actually, I was considering posting a list to help plan out my Begginer's Banner draw so... listy list~
 Doing a complete listing of natural 5 Stars rather than just character relics since one thing I need to evaluate is overall realm strength.

Core

Sentinel Grimoire (Tyro SB, Wall)

Final Fantasy

None.

Final Fantasy II

Golden Armor (Leon SB, MT Attack/Defense Boost)

Final Fantasy III

None.

Final Fantasy IV

Dark Sword (Boost Dark.  D-Cecil SB, MT damage, damage self)
Polymorph Rod (Tellah SB, Ether)

Final Fantasy V

Flametongue (no SB, boost Fire)

Final Fantasy VI

Enhancer (Terra SB, MT Fire)
Ogranyx (Shared SB, MT damage, 2 bars)
Kotetsu (Cyan SB, ST Damage, drain)
Flame Shield (Resists Fire)
Mystery Veil (Shared SB, MT Cure)
Priest's Miter (No SB, death resist)

Final Fantasy VII

Treeblade (Shared SB, MT damage)
Crystal Sword+ (Shared SB, ST thunder damage)
Buster Sword CC (Zack SB, ST multi-hit)
One-Winged Angel (Sephiroth SB, MT damage, add blind)

Final Fantasy VIII

Shear Trigger (Squall SB, 3 ST hits plus MT finisher)
Hyperion (Seifer SB, MT damage, chance of paralysis)
Sleipnir's Tail (Quistis SB, MT damage)

Final Fantasy IX

Cat's Claws (No SB)

Final Fantasy X

Force Saber (Tidus SSB, 3 hit ST)
Emerald Shield (No SB)
Lulu's Hairpin (Lulu SB, MT Magic/MDef boost)

Final Fantasy XII

Musk Stick (Shared SB, MT Cure)
Paramina Crossbow (Shared SB, ST damage, chance of blind)
Golden Armor (No SB)

Final Fantasy XIII

Wyrmfang (Vanille SB, MT Cura+Protect)
Evil Pumpkin (No SB)
Witch's Hat (Shared SB, MT Magic boost)
Wild Bear (Snow SB, ST ice damage)

Final Fantasy XIV

Thyrus (Y'shtola SB, Wall)

So, immediate thoughts:
1) I actually have most of the major SB types covered, with a damage SSB, mass heal, both Wall types, and MT buffs to either mages or physical fighters (albeit I don't have Leon's MC1 so I'm hesitant to use him in real content at the moment.)
2) What I need is a Hastega SB, but the Beginner's Banner can't possibly cover that.
3) I drew SG, and have a true SSB, so running Stormlance setups is probably unnecessary for me?  I guess if I'd drawn his actual SSB it'd be more tempting (hey, +10 attack is +10 attack) but without that seems a bit pointless.  Although I DO also have SSII.
4) FF1 and II content is totally done (barring that mystical day they release every game's final bosses and put the servers in maintenance mode of course) so lacking relics there is irrelevant.  FFIII does have actual high-end Elites so that puts Tyrfing in contention.
5) Barring drawing another MT Heal staff, the game's told me that Vanille is my healer-of-choice for high end content, so Healing Staff seems like a poor choice for all I COULD use some more FFV gear.  Watch as I draw Lenna's Hymn of the Fayth clone next banner just because I said this.
6) Like I need ANOTHER FFVI Katana or FFVII Sword.
7) Valkyrie is somewhat tempting, for the reasons Snow said: in however many weeks, Terra resumes her status as my OP  Main Character when her MC2 drops, but until then Rinoa wants a slice of the pie and having an actual SB on her is not a bad thing.
8) I have a lot of decent mage stat-sticks, but Storm Staff WOULD shore up FFIX for me?
9) Dusk Lance and Ras Algethi would both exist purely because "well I don't have a good Spear/Gun" and I don't think that matters THAT much to my game here.
10) Do I need more light armors?  Actually probably yes, but Wild Bear and Ninja CHainmail are old and drawing something newer would be for the best in the foreseeable future.  'sides, I got lots of hats, those are almost as good.

So unless I'm missing something, my short list is... Tyrfing and Valkyrie, with slight consideration for Storm Staff, Healing Staff (both for synergy) and Ninja Chainmail (for general use).  That sound about right?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 28, 2015, 08:26:31 AM
Hey, all y'all, shut up about your peenises, because here's the best things FFRK ever did. The Battle on the Big Bridge event has given us two pretty kick ass remixes of the best song in FFV.

Metal on the Big Bridge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UyxlDy9gv8

Battle with a Big Choir:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVGDde40x7A

---

Looking at orbfest results, I need to tame my expectations a bit. R3 meteor and R4 Valefor are probably happening, but R3 full break, R2 Saint's Cross, and Bahamut probably aren't. Greater/Major orb drop rates aren't actually that much higher than the typical ++ Dailies released in JP after the last orb fest (though not to say it isn't worth it). Still, I'll have access to basically every 4* skill I don't already have at R3 without doing any extra work for it, so that's nice. Additionally, cores with organs I want are all sure to hit 50, so I won't have to worry about levelling up garbage for a while. Gonna try to get a new dungeon running crew up to 65 as well, since my last crew all hit their respective level caps. So that's still nice, at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 28, 2015, 08:35:30 AM
For Valkyrie, I'd hold off until after you've pulled on the fifth SBS banner (I assume you're doing at least the 100 gem pull?). That way you won't pull Rinoa's other chakram and have RAGRETS~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 28, 2015, 08:46:25 AM
Oh, I only have 17 mythril right now, so it's a couple weeks before I'm gonna bother.  But hey as long as we're talking about how much the RNG loves us may as well work in an actual thought.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 28, 2015, 09:01:22 AM
I'll add fuel to the fire regarding Storm Staff pointing out it's an OFFENSIVE staff: its main stat is Magic and it's fine at that, running off at 112 Mag and 101 Mind. Its problem, of course, is not being usable by a couple relevant mages, such as Vivi and Rydia, but any BM who uses Staves will put it to good use.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 28, 2015, 01:32:48 PM
Guys, I have 50 mithril left. Should I pull on one of these banners or save them for something in the future?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 28, 2015, 01:56:28 PM
It would be easier to answer that question if we knew more about what weapons you already have.

EDIT: Incidentally, it looks like you all have Lightning's SSB dropping in a few weeks. If you're already leaning towards more of a physical build, this one really stands the test of time and utterly trivializes any fight with Lightning-weak opponents (there's quite a few of them, actually). Can't speak to the usefulness of anything else on that banner, except the Keepsake Knife has a shared Protectga SB and kinda crappy offensive stats, and FF13 synergy is only marginally more useful than FF2 synergy. Like, the next 13 event after Lightning's SSB event is the one we're getting in JP next week.

Plus, it's FF13, which is only a marginally better FF game than FF2.

---

Yunalesca is kicking my ass. She's really obnoxiously tanky, and mog's SB is a really bad for Phase 3 since characters not hit with Sap get Overdeathed. Thinking the answer is going to be to use Scream and 4 physical characters + Aerith, but my FFX synergy is quite shit, I don't really have 4 solid 5* physical weapons, and not having Wall sounds obnoxious in Phase 3. The holy absorption is obnoxious, too, since Banish Raid is like the strongest thing Gilgamesh can do (Agrias, at least, gets -aga Strikes. Agrias, however, can't use my Partisan). I suppose in this case I can save all my delay soul breaks for that phase, though, assuming I make it through Phase 1 and 2 relatively unscathed. May swap in Terra with Faith, Firaja, and dualcastl, though if I sub in Agrias instead I can keep 2 Curajas going... which is way less necessary under hastega. It's a thought, anyway. Too bad I have to beat this thing before Banner 4 drops, because that would trivialize it. >_>

Incidentally, I noticed that the battle happening tonight is Adel. REVENGE TIME, BITCH. I should get Faris the last few levels she needs for 80 so I can get some use out of my Ochus Tentacle.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 28, 2015, 02:42:36 PM
It would be easier to answer that question if we knew more about what weapons you already have.

EDIT: Incidentally, it looks like you all have Lightning's SSB dropping in a few weeks. If you're already leaning towards more of a physical build, this one really stands the test of time and utterly trivializes any fight with Lightning-weak opponents (there's quite a few of them, actually). Can't speak to the usefulness of anything else on that banner, except the Keepsake Knife has a shared Protectga SB and kinda crappy offensive stats, and FF13 synergy is only marginally more useful than FF2 synergy. Like, the next 13 event after Lightning's SSB event is the one we're getting in JP next week.

The banner itself ain't -too- bad, since the bangle on it has an AoE heal and Wyrmfang has an excellent SB as well, along with being rather diverse. Problem is mostly being FF13 synergy for the reasons you mentioned (for all that FF13 fights MAKE you want that synergy). I want the Peacemaker, but I'm likely waiting on the second SSB fest for it, since FF13 synergy is the last thing I need as it stands. In fact, all the banners coming up until the next orbfest suffer from a problem of perspective. For us longtime players, there's not much one could possibly want that isn't already covered by most of the stuff already available on those fest banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 28, 2015, 03:06:45 PM
Here are the relics I have:

FF1
WoL sword

FF2
Firions hammer

FF3
Nada

FF4
Rydias whip

FF5
Nada

FF6
Lockes chakram
Celes runic sword

FF7
Zacks sword
Aeries healing rod

FF8
squalls 1st sword

FF9
Zidanes swallow
Steiners sword

FF10
Tidus 1st sword
Both of Yunas rods

FF12
Balthiers gun

FF13
Vanilles damaging rod

FF14
nada

Oh and sentinel grimore.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 28, 2015, 03:21:06 PM
Hooooonestly you've got Medica SBs and you have SG, plenty of rods, and enough physical weapons to do you right.  I'd just hoard mythril until something for a character you really like comes up, or the next SSB fest. Granted, there's a pretty huge gap in my knowledge of events and banners up until basically the FF7AC event, so I'd take that advice with a grain of salt. FF5 synergy for you might be nice. Wasn't powered up enough to really try the +++ or Ultimate fight for Exdeath's Event, so I really couldn't say how necessary that is.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 28, 2015, 03:24:53 PM
My sad little list:

FF4: Ice Whip

FF6: Holy Lance, Burning Fist, Mystery Veil

FF7: Tiger Fang, Christmas mittens, Gold Sword

FF8: Valiant, Blitz Sword

FF9: Oak Staff, Power Sash

FFX: Warrior's Sword+

FF12: Runeblade

FF13: Evil Lantern, Witch's Hat

FF14: Yoshimitsu

Core: Cyclone Grimoire
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 28, 2015, 04:34:14 PM
I do have other 5*s, I just only listed the character relics.

That said, I wouldn't call your list THAT sad, Shale.  You have Mog's Holy Lance which is pretty awesome (melee weapon that boosts Mind and has a pretty darn good Soul Break), Vivi's Oak Staff and Ashe's Runeblade mean your black mage duties are covered and even a 5* Gun. 


Also...

Quote
I'll add fuel to the fire regarding Storm Staff pointing out it's an OFFENSIVE staff: its main stat is Magic and it's fine at that, running off at 112 Mag and 101 Mind. Its problem, of course, is not being usable by a couple relevant mages, such as Vivi and Rydia, but any BM who uses Staves will put it to good use.

Uh, seeing as Vivi's Relic Weapon is called "Oak Staff" I pretty damn sure he can use staves.  Now, Terra, Rinoa and Golbez?  Those are notable Black Mages who can't use Staves.

Kind of odd Rydia can't though seeing as Child-Rydia could use staves and that's what they're basing her off of (why else would she have White 2?)  Heck, especially weird since I assume the original intent was to have Child-Rydia and Adult-Rydia as two separate characters just like Cecil, but given people were not fond of splitting Cecil into two characters just so they can have Dark Knight Cecil in the game (A character who really does feel pointless and feels like even DeNA regrets putting him in)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 28, 2015, 05:26:15 PM
Oak Staff, in spite of its name, is typed as a rod. FF9's division between staves and rods in FFRK is a bit of a mess. THIS SAID, you're right, Vivi -can- use staves. For some reason, I thought he couldn't.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 28, 2015, 10:35:52 PM
So I decided that a Magic based Rod and a Bow are two things I don't have but would totally like, so I decide to pull an 11 pull on the FF5 Banner...

...and get nothing but 3 and 4*, and those 4* aren't anything I can make use of.  Well, I guess my run of good luck is over, bah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 29, 2015, 08:21:44 AM
GUYS GUYS GUYS COUNTDOWN CAMPAIGN.

HUGE REWARDS.

SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Edit:  In total:

20 Growth Eggs
15 Greater Growth Eggs
5 Major Growth Eggs
60 Greater Orbs between all flavors except Power and Summon
10 Mythril.

...Unless, of course, my math's a bit off, but hey.  Lots of free stuff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 29, 2015, 08:37:09 AM
If I'm reading the thing right, basically all 10 flavors of Greater Orbs drop once per check-in, for +6 to each total.  Still, very excellent.  Do note that half the check-in times are on the 31st, and the non-orb rewards escalate there.

Edit: Correction: every flavor of greater orb... EXCEPT Power.  Dammit DeNA.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 29, 2015, 08:42:42 AM
And Summon. Also, as long as you login within the last three hours of the year, you'll reap all rewards. No need to login separately at each designated time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 29, 2015, 02:09:21 PM
It was amusing waking up at 5 AM, going "meh, let's just use some stamina now because I'll toss and turn otherwise" and seeing a number 13 on my Home menu, and reading the log-in rewards.

So let's look at the holiday rewards in the past few months!

Halloween: A pumpkin throwing weapon, and a hat with a Magic boosting Soul Break, both FF13 synergy (aka something many don't have a lot of.)
Thanksgiving/Black Friday: 25 Mithril + a Lucky Draw Banner to use it on
Christmas: Choose ONE Item between a Mind-based Rod, a Dagger with a crappy soul break, and mittens, all 4.5* Level stats and FF7 synergy...right after an FF7 event finished...
New years: LOOK AT ALL THIS GOOD SHIT IF YOU KEEP LOGGING IN DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!

I think it's safe to say Christmas has the worst of the rewards by far.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 29, 2015, 03:18:20 PM
So, I decided to actually farm the daily because -nobody- needs to hardcore farm upmats if there's something better to do. I'll likely spend tomorrow on the upmat phase, though, since I'm in no shortage of Greater Winds and have pretty much nothing else to use Greater Lightnings on anymore. Weird feeling.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 29, 2015, 04:41:40 PM
The real reward for mat phase is mythril. They even just made it run concurrent with the orb events in JP this time.

In other news, wow they must have completely broken Barret because I got something stupid like 5 mythril in total for all the fixes they did to him over the past week. With this and me miscalculating the amount of mythril I was set to get, I'm pretty sure I can do a Cult of 3 pull on Banner 3. I either have a super high chance of getting a hastega relic, or get my bad luck out of the way before Banner 4 pops out.

This is going to be the most use I ever get out of Barret. Too bad, I actually like Barret a lot for all that he's basically a Mr. T rip off and says a lot about how Japanese people view non-Asian PoCs as a whole, but Machine Gun Arm Dad is still pretty cool in spite of it. Too bad he's such a shitty PC in RK.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 29, 2015, 06:29:35 PM
Man, I almost forgot Faris/Krile bonus battles land today. Anyone else looking forward to Ultimate Exdeath?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 29, 2015, 09:52:48 PM
I'm gonna hit him with my rod.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 29, 2015, 10:10:50 PM
Anyone else looking forward to Ultimate Exdeath?

My months of planning and training will finally come to fruition.

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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 29, 2015, 11:08:56 PM
Anyone else looking forward to Ultimate Exdeath?

My months of planning and training will finally come to fruition.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/9tfNjaoyJv7Gw/giphy.gif)

Yes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 29, 2015, 11:15:08 PM
The real reward for mat phase is mythril. They even just made it run concurrent with the orb events in JP this time.

In other news, wow they must have completely broken Barret because I got something stupid like 5 mythril in total for all the fixes they did to him over the past week. With this and me miscalculating the amount of mythril I was set to get, I'm pretty sure I can do a Cult of 3 pull on Banner 3. I either have a super high chance of getting a hastega relic, or get my bad luck out of the way before Banner 4 pops out.

This is going to be the most use I ever get out of Barret. Too bad, I actually like Barret a lot for all that he's basically a Mr. T rip off and says a lot about how Japanese people view non-Asian PoCs as a whole, but Machine Gun Arm Dad is still pretty cool in spite of it. Too bad he's such a shitty PC in RK.

I have found Barret pretty useful personally - Full Break carrier, can use guns, and in the JP version, fuck yeah Machinist! Ever since they introduced those skills, I haven't had to worry about stupid RNG for status! Yeah, there's other Machinists, but they are all basically at the same level of utility.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on December 30, 2015, 01:47:11 AM
i heard they fixed the ui and the menus so i can play this game without feeling terrible

my team is in the 30s and i got owned by dollet classic several times i feel like a scrub here

(http://i.imgur.com/NxvZaXel.png)

train time though
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 30, 2015, 01:51:46 AM
First 11 draw:  Brave Blade, Sage's Staff, Lilith Rod, Gaia Gear, Edincoat (VII), 3 four-stars, 3 3-stars
Second 11 draw:  Kotetsu, 3 four-stars, 7 3-stars

I shall dine on the delicious tears of those less fortunate.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 30, 2015, 01:54:02 AM
Sweet! Got Cecil's SSB sword! Not only does that give me a physical SSB weapon finally, but it fills in my FF4 synergy needs AND is on a character I use all the time. Only 1x 11 pull so I guess I can save all the rest of my mythril until Ramza! Heck yeah!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 30, 2015, 02:04:05 AM
Dollet Classic is the biggest pack of bullshit in the world, go do other quest lines and then smack it around after you've gained like ten levels.

Burning $9 in Google Play credit has paid off today -- 100 gem pulls in the SB fiesta and FF5 banner produced the FF4 Black Suit, which will be nice to have against Cecil, and then the FF5 Crystal Helm. Sure, I'll take a second Power Sash with different synergy, that sounds great.

I'm still farming the Power/NE/Wind orbfest. Was mid-dungeon when they changed over and the game is being so stingy with Greater Power Orbs that I can't bring myself to finish the dungeon. I'll probably keep going until Gilgamesh hits level 50 and has to use his MC, then farm mythril and upgrade materials for a day before I go after that MC2. I've got enough mitigation that I may just have a shot!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 30, 2015, 02:29:22 AM
Did my 2 100 Gem pulls on new banners and got...absolutely nothing worth noting, yay!!!

Probably do another 11 pull (I have 96 mithril) on Faris' Banner due to Magus Rod and Artemis Bow are things I could use in general ways.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on December 30, 2015, 02:58:54 AM
Really wanted a Sage Staff and had resisted the desire to indulge my inner FF5 fanboy for the last event, so I went hard on the second FF5 banner with my mythril stock. Results:

100 gem: Some 4* item I've forgotten
50 mythril: Brave Blade, Nodachi, Hayate Bow (third), rest 3*
50 mythril: Brave Blade, Crystal Bangle (fourth), rest 3*
50 mythril: Soldier Sword VII, Sword Breaker VI (eighth FFVI 4* dagger >_<), Rune Axe V, rest 3*
50 mythril: Lilith Rod, Variable Steel X, Crystal Armor V (second), rest 3*
50 mythril: Warrior's Sword X, Ten-Gallon Hat VIII (second), Hayate Bow (fourth), rest 3*
50 mythril: Lilith Rod, Crystal Sword VI, Crystal Armor V (third), rest 3*
50 mythril: Brave Blade, Sage's Staff, Ninja Suit, Cat Claws II (fourth), Power Glove XIII, Maneater VI (NINTH 4* FFVI dagger, jesus christ RNG), rest 3*

Objectively not the best use of so much mythril, but in the end I'm pretty happy with the results. I'm set on VII and X weapons now, let alone FFV. Ultimate Exdeath is going down hard on Monday after I finish level grinding and upgrade mat farming.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 30, 2015, 03:22:50 AM
Holy shit, 350 Mythril. Totally worth it for the 7* Brave Blade and Sage Staff, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 30, 2015, 03:54:34 AM
So FF5 Chat Talk + hinode's thing made me go "screw it, TIME FOR ANOTHER 11 PULL!" on the FF5 Banner.

Results?
-Aevis Killer, aka one of the two weapons I was hoping for since I lack a 5* Bow, so huzzah! (other was Magus Rod because I lack a Magic-inclined Rod.)
-FF5 Rune Axe, hey look! Another 4+* Axe with Synergy, yay!
-FF5 Crystal Mail; already have one, so yeah, a 4+* Armor with Synergy

Way better than my last attempt that's for sure!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 30, 2015, 05:24:41 AM
YES! Mastered Ultimate Exdeath! Took me two S/Ls, both due to not properly handling his low HP transition - the triple act is -nasty- if you don't have at least SG/SSII up. Setting up for counter bypassing doesn't feel worth it either, just hone Protectga/Shellga to R2 instead. Lulu RW proved incredibly useful, though: of all things, the stackable +50% RES, along with the rest of my mitigatory measures, made Exdeath's magic openly unthreatening (as in 200 damage a pop unthreatening). This fight was a lot of fun, though, and scratched that hard fight itch I've been missing for a while in the game. I'm totes hyped for the rest of the Ultimates, that's for certain.

EDIT: tl;dr

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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 30, 2015, 09:22:35 AM
Congratulations. (http://youtu.be/oyFQVZ2h0V8)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 30, 2015, 10:40:07 AM
Did a Cult of 3 pull. Got Zack's SSB, Damage + Hastega.

Well then. Regardless of if I get scream or not, I have a Hastega relic, so that's neat.

EDIT: OH SHIT this means I have the Boss Rush Ultimate+ fight in the FF7 event in the bag. awwww yeah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 30, 2015, 11:20:23 AM
Apparently, the game just wants you to use Zack forever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 30, 2015, 12:38:44 PM
Considering I just went back to Bahamut SIN and Adel, and largely thanks to Zack's Hastega, I utterly wrecked them (0 medals lost on either), I am perfectly fine with this.

Things that are weird to me and make my dick hard:

Hastega means I'm never not under the effect of Sunbath, or in shorter fights, SG/SRS. <3 <3 <3
Zack having that sword frees up Zack's Glove for Gilgy to use, so I am set for basically every FF7 fight for the foreseeable future with my Masamune/Apocalypse/Zack's Glove 5* combo. Given how much DeNA seems to like their FF7 events...
Two white mages are no longer mandatory. Ideally, next round I get Scream and SRS, and Mog and Aeris get to go retire to some beach home and make weird beastiality babies for the remainder of the game. This will make me regret not getting Y'shantola's relic in the JP beginner banner, but I have a feeling I'll be fine.

In hindsight, using the phrase "make my dick hard" then talking about Mog and Aeris making babies thereafter was not the smartest thing I've done with my mouth.

I did another Cult of 3 Pull on this banner, figuring if I got Ramza's relic I could obsolete Aeris in the event that I get Stonera Skin but not Scream next banner, and if I got anyone else's they'd at least have their place in my roster, and got diddly squat. A 4* FF6 sword, because I need more FF6 synergy I guess? k. Shifting back to waiting to dump all my mythril on the Bartz/Tyro/Thyrus/Platinum Sword banner and hoping that last 15 mythril pull didn't gyp me out of everything in Banner 4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 30, 2015, 01:35:49 PM
No ETAs on the next event yet. Heard they could swap the order on Rikku and Rosa/Edge, which would throw a slight wrench on some people's plans! Still, postponing Ultimate Yunalesca wouldn't really bring me to tears. Using Yuna without getting to use Hymn of the Fayth is going to be relatively painful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 30, 2015, 02:32:46 PM
Hmm

Just got lenna's mc2.

Trying to figure out a good team for these next two fights.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 30, 2015, 03:07:25 PM
I went with a full-mage Melusine cheese party (Lenna with Box Step and Sleep, Krile and Rinoa packed with elemental and fire damage, Y'shtola geared for healing and Vanille with Ifrit and Ruinga), since you have to sleep her as a target score and the status itself works optimally when running mages. Even if you can't keep her sleep-locked the whole fight, one proc can seriously dent her and it also circumvents her obnoxious barrier shifts. Fortunately, unlike FF5, the game tells you which element she's weak to when she swaps, which helps a lot. I like how they kept the same animation as FF5 for the shift, by the way (which was simply swapping her sprite around to an identical copy since she's actually five different beasts which cycle around). The details in this game, man.

Exdeath, by comparison, is more straight-forward. Loserface for SG, Yuna for Hymn of the Fayth and possibly even Celes, since Runic walls a considerable amount of Exdeath's offense and she can use Spellblades -and- 4* BLM to help you with target scores. Then you pad out your elemental/offense/support slots.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 30, 2015, 05:39:29 PM
Gilgamesh / Enkidou was a really fun fight that would have been miserable without Zack's SSB. Hastega, man.

Phase one is kinda boring, Gilgamesh attacks and has Death Claw which hits 3x but has a pretty low chance of proccing its Paralysis so is only really threatening if they all target the same character. Phase 3, after you kill off Enkidou, Gilgamesh uses a really weak (by 凶 standards) Zantetsuken every round that isn't really threatening as long as you keep Power Breakdown and Protectga up.

Phase 2 was absolutely brutal, though. Gilgamesh and Enkidou's movesets in this phase just mesh so well. Gilgamesh gets Missile, 75% current HP, and 1000 Needles, which if used one right after the other on the same character... isn't enough to kill off a character... UNLESS Enkidou MT Aerogas! Which he does. Often. When he's not doing that, he's Berserking someone, in my case usually Gilgamesh, who had all my MT, or in one notable instance, Mog, JUST as Sun Bath was about to go off. Mog also had my Esuna, so I was kinda fucked for damage for the last half of the fight (surprisingly, still only lost 3 medals, so hey). The Status, the gravity-set damage combo, the fact that you NEED Wall up here otherwise Aeroga deals 4k+ damage unbroken... Yeah, it was a hell of a fight. I do think I could have done it without Hastega, but it would have taken way more S/Ls to not get status-fucked, and I would have had to do a LOT of trickery with my Turn Cancel SBs. As it is though, pretty fun fight, and I have a feeling that the game is good again now that I have Hastega.

Hastega hastega hastega. Hastega? Hastega.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 30, 2015, 06:07:25 PM
Hastega.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 30, 2015, 08:32:00 PM
Tried Ex-death a bit, failed, think I need a bit more offense, will try again after Sunday, since apparently the event runs through then so hey, might as well get Levels!

Otherwise done with the FF5 event for now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 31, 2015, 04:01:30 AM
Hm. So the main thing standing between me and a physical beatdown build is a Record Materia that would let Mog start fights with an SB gauge filled. To get that I need to get either Cloud or Tyro to their second level break. Vale of Memories has blank MC2s. Thus, it would be very nice if I could get my A team from "struggles with Orbfest + fights" to "can beat one of VOM's boss fights with no time to build SBs" in the next week and a half. I have Mythril for two X11 draws (and could maybe build up enough for a third if I go whole hog on story dungeons, but that would mean neglecting Orbfest), a crap-ton of Growth Eggs and enough orbs to craft decent 4 star abilities by the time Orbfest is done with, but not to refine them very far (if at all). Hopeless?

Final verdict: Not hopeless at all. Mission accomplished a day ahead of schedule, in fact! My level 50-55 party came at Cecil with maximum mitigation (Sentinel Grimoire RW, one Protega spell and two SBs, R3 Kirin, Power Breakdown, Draw Fire, everybody in the back row, and Loserface holding the Evil Lantern for extra evade) and despite a scare where Gilgamesh dropped to under 1/3 health I heroically convinced him to go away and do something more interesting, claiming my blank MC2 prize. I'd have championed if I had Paladin Cecil, but the reward there pales next to getting access to the materia I need (eventually, after a bunch of story dungeons). Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 31, 2015, 07:15:43 AM
Hm. So the main thing standing between me and a physical beatdown build is a Record Materia that would let Mog start fights with an SB gauge filled. To get that I need to get either Cloud or Tyro to their second level break. Vale of Memories has blank MC2s. Thus, it would be very nice if I could get my A team from "struggles with Orbfest + fights" to "can beat one of VOM's boss fights with no time to build SBs" in the next week and a half. I have Mythril for two X11 draws (and could maybe build up enough for a third if I go whole hog on story dungeons, but that would mean neglecting Orbfest), a crap-ton of Growth Eggs and enough orbs to craft decent 4 star abilities by the time Orbfest is done with, but not to refine them very far (if at all). Hopeless?

Final verdict: Not hopeless at all. Mission accomplished a day ahead of schedule, in fact! My level 50-55 party came at Cecil with maximum mitigation (Sentinel Grimoire RW, one Protega spell and two SBs, R3 Kirin, Power Breakdown, Draw Fire, everybody in the back row, and Loserface holding the Evil Lantern for extra evade) and despite a scare where Gilgamesh dropped to under 1/3 health I heroically convinced him to go away and do something more interesting, claiming my blank MC2 prize. I'd have championed if I had Paladin Cecil, but the reward there pales next to getting access to the materia I need (eventually, after a bunch of story dungeons). Yaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Congratulations. (http://youtu.be/oyFQVZ2h0V8)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 31, 2015, 07:20:20 AM
Serah's event dropped.  This was a character I was interested in since:

A. There's a lot to work with
B. I'm a fan of the character in general

And what does she end up being?

Essentially a cross between Maria and Edea...well great, another almost pure Black Mage (who can cast Reflect, Dispel and Faith), which is that role that really needs a buff since it hasn't gotten anything new and it's big 6* skill ended up disappointing...

It's seriously kind of insulting at this point.  Look at how many characters with Black 5 we got in the past few months:

*Kefka
*Ex-death
Vincent
Palom
Desch
Kuja
Edea
Serah

Add Shantotto coming up in a dungeon update soon, and how Strago got buffed to Black 5, and it's kind of ridiculous they have been adding that many Black Mages but done nothing to boost it, in an era where Black Magic is falling behind thanks to that 9999 damage cap and bosses having high resistance.

*These two were, admittedly, somewhat earlier than the rest and may not be fair to lump them in

I'll grant half the Black Mages on that list have Darkness, thus get access to Memento Mori, but that doesn't do anything for the bunch that doesn't get it (or something to supplement like Summon)

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 31, 2015, 11:59:45 AM
More upmat and Power orb farming on the last day of the year. Oh well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 31, 2015, 12:26:41 PM
... S/L

... S/L

... S/L

Red XIII - Magic Breakdown R3/Full Break R2 - Mako Might - Lunatic High saw the most use, but used the Dark Shot SB as a gambit to deal the last sliver of damage.
Lenna L65 - Curaga R4/Shellga R2 - Thief's Code - Had the Dragon Gloves equipped for the Firewyrm Breath SB, so I had a source of Fire Damage for mastery when healing wasn't 100% necessary from her.
Y'shtola L65 - Curaga R4/Power Breakdown R2 - Dr. Mog's Teachings - You know what she's here for.
Rinoa L69 - Thundaja R4/Waterja R4 - Devotion - My main damage
Bartz L57 - Steal Power R3/Blizzaga Strike R3 - Martial Master - Damage just behind Rinoa, though Blade Wing dealt 18K damage whenever it was up.
RW: Wakka Status Reels.

So many things happened that should've convinced me to reset.

Bartz died when Exdeath was at about 40-50%.

I ran out of shots of damage on Rinoa, and was relying on her SB to finish things off.

I ran out of shots of Curaga.

Yet I decided to finish the battle, just because I could...

...And the game rewards me with Mastery on the fight and a bonus Greater Non-Elemental Orb.  One medal down for Actions Taken, two medals down for Damage Taken.  Only needed to S/L three or four times.

I'm not sure how to feel about this.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 31, 2015, 01:22:36 PM
Take the win. The Ultimate Exdeath fight took me two S/Ls to get down right, it's a pretty tough boss.

Speaking of which! My Exdeath setup:

Lulu Focus RW

L65 Vivi (R4 Blizzaja/R4 Waterja, Vow of Vengeance RM, Doublecast Venom)
L77 Rinoa (R4 Thundaja, R4 Firaja, Devotion RM, Angel Wing Bolt)
L65 Y'shtola (R4 Diaga, R2 Protectga, Mako Might RM, Stoneskin II)
L65 Eiko (R4 Curaja, R4 Mana's Paean, Ace Striker RM, Emerald Light)
L65 Sazh (R4 Magic Breakdown, R2 Full Break, Dr. Mog's Teachings RM, Boon)

That's more or less it. Thinking on it, I could've replaced Vivi with Rydia for pretty much the same results, since Exdeath immunes Poison elemental stuff. Y'shtola's Protectga could've been swapped for Mental Breakdown for extra punch on Angel Wing Bolt, but Vaccuum Waves were relevant enough for it to not be a waste. Most important part was timing Boon, Focus and SSII's recasts right for the below 50% HP triple-act, which will leave you reeling without full mitigation. Focus + Mana's Paean actually wasn't overkill, since Rinoa and Vivi needed both to ram the damage cap. 13k damage Angel Wing Bolts also weren't bad results on an Ultimate Boss for a first-wave relic SB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 31, 2015, 09:06:03 PM
Exdeath beaten.  No actual S/Ls, but the game crashed a whopping 3 times.  Seriously wtf.

Lenna (Curaga, Protectga) Cultured Conjuror
Faris (Magic Breakdown, Dismissal) Viera Virtuoso
Krile (Thundaja, Blizzaga) Rod Master
Bartz w/Flametongue (Steal Power, Firaga Strike) Mako Might
Selphie (Curaja, Shellga) Zeal
SG roaming warrior

Bartz's Lupine Barrage was doing 5100x5 after Steal Power (and Faris debuff), 4400x5 after its own buff.

Hastega hastega hastega. Hastega? Hastega.

Nope.  Aoe healga aoe healga aoe healga.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on December 31, 2015, 09:39:51 PM
Forgot to mention this a few days ago, but I switched my RW over to Princess's Favor now. 93Gf if anyone here wants an AoE heal with FF5 synergy and isn't on my list already. Just cap broken Lenna a second time, will be level grinding her and some others this Sunday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 01, 2016, 02:31:05 AM
Wanted to talk about my Omega fight now that I've got some downtime on my vacation.

So I saw lots of people talking about Stop-locking him and how Advantaliate was suboptimal. Challenge accepted.

Used Cloud as my Retaliator, with Yuna and her Hymn as healer, and Tyro for spamming SG.

The only really interesting thing about my setup was that Advantaliate took a long time to deal the damage necessary on Omega, so I needed more SGs and more frequently than Tyro was building soul break meter. Since Lifesiphon isn't out yet, I needed something for him to spam to gain gauge faster. Checking the spreadsheet, my only good options were Wrath, which is a 4-star ability that requires tons of Greater Orbs, or... Retaliate! Well well well, that only takes 2* orbs and while it's only half as good as Wrath for building meter, I can get it to 10 uses immediately.

So now I have two copies of R5 Retaliate and one of them is dedicated for Tyro to spam to keep the SG flowing.

It worked surprisingly well and I could keep SG up the whole fight. And that was really all it took once I got passed the first round of Omega.

Still wish I had a Soul Break for Cloud...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 01, 2016, 02:58:13 AM
Rikku event tomorrow, sporting the worst set of banners since Auron's Shimmering Blade fiasco. I swear FFX picks all the crap banners in the schedule.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 01, 2016, 07:54:36 AM
Ala Snow, after an encountee with 3 Cactaurs in the orbfest, I did an 11 pull on Banner 4. A couple generic 5*s, and…

Bartz's BSSB. Fuck. Yes.

The remainder of my gambling will happen when I'm back home. This'll do for now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 01, 2016, 08:24:33 AM
JP: Sweet, Banner 4 of the Burst SSB fest is finally here and I can use all this mythril I've been hoarding / was just given to me by the game.

First 11x Pull - one 5*... that's okay, I was prepared for this, I've got 4 more pulls! Let's what it is...

Ramza's Platinum Sword.

Well fuck that's exactly what I wanted I guess I can save the rest.


Global: Exdeath Ultimate
Went in with a Mage Meta party for the first time ever. Oh well, Advantaliate, you were fun while you lasted.

Cecil was packing his SSB and a newly-honed Magic Lure to increase how often he could use it. Also my Shellga carrier.
Lulu and Rinoa were carrying my elemental -jas for the elemental target scores plus Focus and the Halloween hat to buff that sweet sweet damage.
Tyro was full support - spamming Magic BD and Full Break and SG. I had his SSB on, but never got to use it.
And Yuna was Curaga/Protectga and spamming Hymn of the Faith, along with a Hymn RW so there was never a shortage of healing.

He cast Countdown on two of my PCs on the second turn, which put me in a race against time. Also, it took all 24 of my -aja casts plus three of Cecil's SSB to take him down. The countdown timers were at 02 and 06 respectively when he finally fell. It's possible I should have switched out Cecil for Tellah with Shellga/Drainga (and Polymorph Rod MP restoration!), but his Magic Lure actually -did- save me a lot of trouble.

It's notable that after the first turn, with all those layers of mitigation, Exdeath never had any of my characters at less than 70% health. Unfortunately he slammed Cecil hard on that first turn and I lost two Damage medals.

Excellent fight! I finally had a reason to use all those cool soulbreaks I've managed to amass. Looking forward to trying out some less-conventional strats on future Ultimate bosses.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 01, 2016, 08:50:39 AM
Your Ramza is now more useful than my Ramza despite no MC2. And my Ramza is pretty much my MVP. Congrats.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on January 01, 2016, 08:59:34 AM
pulled on welfare banner, got Official Ball. Wakka gets to live a bit longer

are there any important characters/mc1s that don't come around for a while, i managed to get some of the event tokens. MC2s too hard for my fresh 71 stamina account

Relics:

Candle Rod (VII)
Blitz Sword (VIII)
Morning Star (VIII) [Selphie]
Official Ball (X) [Wakka]
Danjuro (XII)
Paramina Crossbow (XII) [Blind Shot SB]
Lominsan Bow (XIV)
Noble's Armguards (XIV)

also not totally sure what to take for the free relic but I probably don't need more bows
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 01, 2016, 09:41:32 AM
I'd say your biggest need is a non-healer mage weapon, which would be either the Valkyrie (VIII) or Storm Staff (IX).  It's longer until the next FFVIII event, but you also have some decent relics there so I lean Storm Staff.  Garnet and her MC1 will roll around in the Beatrix event in ~3-4 weeks, so up to you if you want her now or can wait.

The best use for you for hero souls/MC1 lodes is Gilgamesh though.  He's among the best PCs available with no relic whatsoever, and you want him; he can use just about any melee weapon you can get, so he's easy to synergize, and he can use Draw Fire+Retaliate, meaning any primarily-physical boss you run into is functionally helpless.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 01, 2016, 09:48:56 AM
Vaan is a solid choice for characters that are difficult to come by. Ashe is too if you're not planning on doing Terra's Quest?

Terra, Gilgamesh, and any White Mage character can carry you through most of the game. Though you can get a lot of those through the Quests. Might be important to pick up their MC1s in the Hall of Rites though. Selphie too if you have one of her Relics.

Wakka will get to live a while longer anyway because he's getting his MC2 next event and that will probably be your first MC2, meaning he'll be level 80 while the rest of your peons are stuck at 65.

Characters worth looking at based on what you posted:

Wakka - you have his relic and his MC1 is coming up soon, as well as a shot at his MC2

Gilgamesh - just a top-tier character, worth getting him and his MC1 any way you can

A Black Mage:
Terra - top-tier Black Mage who can also use Breakdowns and status busters (giving Wakka some more variety), worth getting her MC1 if decide to use her. NOTABLY she can't use the Storm Staff from the beginner's banner.
Ashe - solid Black Mage with a good default Soulbreak and overall good stats and a good record materia worth having too. Can use the Storm Staff. Doesn't get an MC2 anytime even remotely soon. (For reference, the first dedicated black mages who -can- use the Storm Staff to get their MC2s are Lulu, Vivi, Vanille, and Hope in the anniversary celebration)

A White Mage (or two):
Lenna - Get her from her event now. You need a White Mage in this game.
Arc (FF3) - you can pick up him and his MC1 in the story dungeons. He's a fully-functioning White Mage Summoner with a Shellga default SB. If you can't use Lenna and her MC1/2 from this current event or need a second White Mage (you probably will at some point), use him. Also a great candidate for Garnet's Storm Staff until Garnet shows up on the relatively-soonish Beatrix event, 5 events from now.
Selphie - White Mage who can contribute to Retaliate Meta thanks to Celerity 3. You also have one of her relics. Her MC1 won't come around again for a while.

and one of the Utility Physical Characters:
Cecil Paladin - Tank with decent damage and can use White Magic 4. If you get him and his MC1, you'll be happy. Worth noting that Beatrix is coming relatively soonish and can also do these things.
Vaan - Thief is great, Celerity 4 and Support 4 are great. Has actually powerful attacking stats. Honestly he can replace Wakka if you don't get Wakka's MC2. His equipment options are great too.
Josef - You get him in the story dungeons, along with his MC1 (notably a bit later). He has the best starting Record Materia in the game and for that reason alone, you should get him and use him a bit to get those. They will particularly help you out for using Retaliate Meta to clear harder-than-your-current-level difficulty fights, like say... the + and ++ fights on the next event so you can get Wakka's MC2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 01, 2016, 12:27:22 PM
Dumped most of my mythril into the banner. Got two copies of Vincent's mantle (o boi), and…  Tyro's BSSB. Wow.

No Thyrus or Platinum Sword, but with Zack's SSB and the two BSSBs I have now, they feel a lot less necessary. In fact, though I will have enough mythril for one more 11 pull in a couple days from the login bonuses, since I have Tyro's BSSB it may be prudent to try for Sentinel Grimiore rather than Thyrus. I have some time to think about it, anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 01, 2016, 02:13:33 PM
Since the FFX banner coming up evidently sucks, I decided to dump 50 Mythril on FF5 in hopes of a Brave Blade or Kotetsu. No luck, but I did come up with a second Black Garb that I can combine into a 4+ armor, and two Sage's Staffs! So that's my first 6 star gear lined up, plus I should probably try for Lenna's MC2 now. I beat Gilgamesh, so I'd only need to BS a couple of wins for it. Maaaaaaaaaaaybe.......
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 01, 2016, 02:33:27 PM
Keep in mind that if you lose a fight, you can spend mythril to retry with a bonus (More ability charges, Offensive Stats boosted, defensive stats boosted, or HP boosted, picked at rabdom.) These effects stack, so you can keep spending mythril until you win. This is definitely worth doing for an MC2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 01, 2016, 02:46:10 PM
Since the FFX banner coming up evidently sucks, I decided to dump 50 Mythril on FF5 in hopes of a Brave Blade or Kotetsu. No luck, but I did come up with a second Black Garb that I can combine into a 4+ armor, and two Sage's Staffs! So that's my first 6 star gear lined up, plus I should probably try for Lenna's MC2 now. I beat Gilgamesh, so I'd only need to BS a couple of wins for it. Maaaaaaaaaaaybe.......

Antlion: vulnerable to both Sleep and Berserk, the latter being a target score. With enough casts of Waterga/Waterja, you should pull it off as long as your mitigation is okay. And you got two Lenna Sage Staves? Holy shit. EDIT: also, Zenny's advice is sound.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 01, 2016, 02:56:37 PM
The mythril effects stack on repeated restarts? I did not know that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 01, 2016, 02:59:12 PM
Yep. Here's a demonstration, from someone who has excess Mythril to burn on a core only, no gacha alt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDklrHfLRj8

Edit: Holy shit these randoms in Mount Gulug (IX) classic are brutal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 01, 2016, 03:37:20 PM
Went back and Mastered Yunalesca, and the 凶+ Boss rush in the FF7 event. I am enjoying wrecking things with my new toys very much. Shitbrat largely has benched mog since IIRC Sun Bath and the attack up song are the same boost, and Shitbrat can pump out Curajas just fine, but I have a feeling Mog will still see plenty of play. The BSSB is good, but sometimes I miss having the Regen.

New Years Gilgamesh 2 is absolutely brutal and even with my BSSBs in effect I will have to think about my setup to win. Yikes.

In other news, I now have 3 copies of Indoor Spell and two of Drain Strike. Yay.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 01, 2016, 03:42:53 PM
Dumped most of my mythril into the banner. Got two copies of Vincent's mantle (o boi), and…  Tyro's BSSB. Wow.

No Thyrus or Platinum Sword, but with Zack's SSB and the two BSSBs I have now, they feel a lot less necessary. In fact, though I will have enough mythril for one more 11 pull in a couple days from the login bonuses, since I have Tyro's BSSB it may be prudent to try for Sentinel Grimiore rather than Thyrus. I have some time to think about it, anyway.

If you're dead set on having a Wall, SG has the problem of clashing with Loserface's BSSB due to competing for SB usage for it, since it's so overcentralizing. Thyrus synergizes better there. Not to mention Loserface's BSSB is already amazing in terms of stacking mitigation - saves you two ability slots and gives you multiple stacking breaks, which work really well with Ramza's niche on your party. THIS SAID, SG is SG anyway.

EDIT: Also, Rallying Etude is +15% Attack, Sun Bath is +30%.

Edit: Holy shit these randoms in Mount Gulug (IX) classic are brutal.

Wait until you get to Elite. 5k damage Firagas on your -mages-.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 01, 2016, 04:48:00 PM
As of today, I now have R5 Curaja. What the hell.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 01, 2016, 04:56:38 PM
Finished DU16.  Hardest fight was FF9 trash mobs, followed by Carry Armor.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 01, 2016, 05:06:37 PM
Sounds legit. Carry Armor's Lapis Laser is a dick.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 01, 2016, 06:11:53 PM
Okay, time to do some book-keeping. This time, with abilities. After Orbfestivus and New Year's, this is what I have in terms of abilities and relevant hones on 4* rarity and above, along with long-term plans. Not bothering with 3* and below, since I have more or less everything remotely relevant at a minimum rank of 4* except Dances, which are R3 and need no more than this. This will take a while.

5*

R2 Full Break
R2 Meteor
R1 Flare
R1 Holy

Longterm plans: R3 Full Break and Meteor are distinct possibilities, but I may look more intently at Flare and particularly Holy later due to certain Abyss dungeons. I have enough orbs to pick up R2 Bahamut, but this doesn't feel like a worthwhile investment until we get the buff to summons JP got in December. I think I'm also already past the point where Odin would've been useful at all. Barrage is an idea, but with superior - if less widely equippable - options looming a few months from now and considering the scarcity of 5* orbs, I feel like it's better to keep amassing them for possible pickups in that regard.

4*

R5 Curaja
R4 Firaja
R4 Blizzaja
R4 Thundaja
R4 Waterja
R4 Drainga
R4 Diaga
R4 Thundaga Strike
R4 Pound
R4 Dismissal
R4 Magic Breakdown
R4 Mental Breakdown
R4 Power Breakdown
R3 Bioga
R3 Quake
R3 Ruinga
R3 Maduin
R3 Valefor
R3 Alexander
R2 Protectga
R2 Shellga
R2 Break Strike
R2 Carbuncle
R2 Ixion
R2 Steal Power
R2 Pressure Point
R2 Magic Lure
R1 Firaja
R1 Darkra
R1 Death
R1 Break
R1 Slowga
R1 Raise
R1 Leviathan
R1 Phoenix
R1 Quetzalcoatl
R1 Cactuar
R1 Firaga Strike
R1 Blizzaga Strike
R1 Bladeblitz
R1 Yukikaze
R1 Darkmoon
R1 Bonecrusher
R1 Armor Breakdown
R1 Shadowbind
R1 Punishing Palm
R1 Steal Defense
R1 Minus Strike
R1 Flurry of Petals
R1 Spellbend Etude

Longterm plans: There are a lot of directions to go from here. I raised Thundaga Strike's hones to a spammable level because it makes use of Lightning Steel's Thunder boosting, which grants me an effective 2.5x 4* physical ability when not hitting weakness. For Black Magic, only relevant thing to do left is R4 Bioga (Darkra doesn't really add much of anything to my options, since Drainga is Dark-elemental and has healing utility slapped on, which compensate for the lower mult). R5ing -jas is a cute idea, but with a near-full roster of R4s, I'm hilariously unlikely to run out of resources even in higher-end content than we have now. Against Exdeath, I couldn't even exhaust -a single ability's worth of charges-, which tells me all I need to know about my sustainability. Other -ga Strikes can be a long-term consideration, but they'll have to wait in line while the bigger physical abilities slowly trickle in (Banish Raid, Lifesiphon, potentially Armor Strike and Flaming Blossom, possibly Phantasm and Shadowblade). Maybe Pound was unnecessary, but I really haven't regretted it, since it's my best filler pure damage ability as of now for my fighters. Dismissal is pretty neat too. Summons... my likeliest priority would be R4ing, maybe eventually even R5ing Valefor and Maduin at some point, but there's a lot of time until Summoner's Abyss dungeons and I also have all 3* summons maxed. As it stands, R3 Maduin and Valefor actually have enough juice to contribute even against bosses on story dungeons content and that's great. White Magic... I have this idea of crafting and honing a second Diaga for Cleric Abyss shenanigans, but this certainly can wait until an orbfest, very long-term planning ahead. Past that, what I have clearly feels sufficient at worst. For Support, I still need to hone Armor Breakdown to R3 or higher for FFT, but, once again, this can wait until an orbfest, since it's a pretty longshot unless they speed it up - which I don't think will happen this time. I suspect I should actually bother honing the AoE physical skills at some point, but they will only be relevant if I ever get a strong AoE attack buff SB. And if I get one of the magic buffing SBs, this time might actually never come. Using physicals for MT blitzing is just too awkward.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 01, 2016, 08:29:39 PM
Just realized that I've used Boon RW in six consecutive dungeons today. This is what happens when you own a native SS2 (though I don't always bring that) and AoE heal but not Hastega.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 01, 2016, 09:26:44 PM
Record Keeper is officially set in america.  You get a gun!  And you get a gun!  Everybody gets a gun!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 02, 2016, 12:09:22 AM
Mastered Ultimate Ex-death.

So I decided that maybe I should make use of Sentinel Grimoire rather than relying on someone else's, so I leveled up Tyro, grinded for his RM3 as well as Cloud's, and decided to put him to use.

Team looked something like this:

Bartz: Rune Axe+, Crystal Mail+, Some FF5 +15 Attack Accessory, Dismissal R3, Steal Power R2, Gunblade
Gilgamesh: Giant's Axe++, Genji Helm (FF6), Omega Badge, Pound R3, Armor Break R4, Freedom's Wish or whatever Vaan's is called
Tyro: Aevis Bow, Ninja Chainmail+, FF5 Protect Ring, R3 Blizzara Strike, R3 Magic Breakdown, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Yuna: Lullaby Rod, Minerva Bustier, Some Defensive Accessory **** if I can remember, R5 Curaga, R2 Shellga, Mako's Might
Krile: Storm Staff, Mystery Veil, Crystal Orb, R2 Firaja, R3 Thundaja, Devotion
RW: Runic Blade

I tried a Carbuncle Strategy a while earlier, but that didn't work, and figured I'd like healing to remain so decided a Runic RW may be better.  Anyway, strategy for each is this:

Bartz deals with physical mitigation and Dismissal is there because a turn Ex-death doesn't take is that much helpful.  Gilgamesh is mostly just straight up damage though Genji Helm also has Divine Majesty as a back up just in case I don't have a Shield Grimoire ready.  Tyro is using Faris' Weapon for Synergy and so he can go back row; obviously, his Record Materia is there so I can throw Shield Grimoire up ASAP, and he should be able to recharge his gauge in time to cast another.  Additionally, he covers Magic Breakdown, as well as the Ice Elemental requirement.  Yuna is a healer and has Shellga, with Hymn of the Faith being emergency healing, with Mako's Might there to insure it'll be ready at all points.  Krile mostly there for raw damage and hitting the two other elements, as well as Mystery Veil is there for the added "oh ****" back up just in case.  She also has Calm in case I need an emergency Power Down effect when Bartz runs out.

Wait 2 turns before casting Shellga and Shield Grimoire since his opening turns are weak and highest chance of Dispel then.  Tyro and Bartz set up their debuffs in the meantime, Krile and Gilgamesh just attack like mad, Yuna casts Curaga because someone is bound to take damage.  After the 2nd turn, it's just a case of keeping everything together and hoping he doesn't do something like Counter Dispel -> Earthshaker + Vacuum Wave.  Shield Grimoire #2 goes up around 60%, since that should kick in right before the first one wears off.  Krile uses the first Runic RW, because she's going to need a recharge on damage.  Gilgamesh is a bit "eh" until he uses Morphing Time, then starts hitting really hard!  Yuna heals and recasts Shellga, Tyro alternates between his two attacks, sometimes throwing up the Shield Grimoire.  Bartz uses the 2nd RW for two reasons I'll explain later.

In the winning run, Krile and Yuna both got doomed (as well as Gilgamesh but he was so late it wouldn't matter since by the time it'd kick in, I'd have either won the fight, or it'd be a lost cause), Krile first.  I was considering having Bartz throw the 2nd Runic later on, but with Krile's Doom status and how she was definitely going to die before the fight was over (thank god there's no "No Deaths!" requirement, and 1 death doesn't cost a medal), it was obvious and it turned out to be the absolutely right decision, as Bartz got recharges on everything he needed.  I did probably waste a turn with Calm since Bartz was getting a Steal Power up soon after, but I didn't know if it'd be recharged; all what would have changed is he'd have died one attack earlier.  Krile manages to sneak in one last Thundaja before dying, and he's at about 10%, so things look good.  A bit of good luck happened earlier when Bartz was relying on his physical for like 2 turns, Gunblade did kick in, so I got a free 9999 when I was expecting like 4000.

There was a scare moment earlier on when right after Yuna uses her last Shellga, he fires off Counter Dispel.  Luckily, the 3rd Shield Grimoire didn't seem affected I fired off, and the Earthshaker that followed didn't hurt TOO much since I was well healed, Yuna still had a Soul Break left in her, and Tyro had one Magic Breakdown.  I luckily recovered and pulled through.

So it turns out that one impulsive 900 Gem Pull I did on the 2nd Phase Banner that landed me a Sentinel Grimoire has already paid off, as I don't think this fight would have been do-able relying on someone else's Sentinel Grimoire given my current team.  At least not without grinding, getting massive levels, and trying to scrounge up for extra hones.  Still nice to be caught up on events 100% now right before the FF10 event drops and not sure how that's going to...

*looks at Brotherhood*
*looks at Lullaby Rod*
*looks at Heat Lance*
*Looks at Shimmering Blade and a level 65 Auron*

...shutting up...

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 02, 2016, 02:57:39 PM
So, Rikku's a requirement for two of the bonus battles. Sigh, and I thought I could save my Growth Eggs this time around.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 02, 2016, 06:30:47 PM
Cap-broke Rikku and done with the main course of her event. Yunalesca ain't trivial: the dispelling physicals are a pain in the ass, she counters with them and you can't mitigate Holy with Magic Break/down. Her fight on Ultimate ought to be interesting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 02, 2016, 06:53:59 PM
If she's like the fight we got on the Big Bridge event in JP, Yunalesca is going to be an absolute beast. She at least uses her dispel attack less frequently in forms 2 and 3, and it seems that she often opens up Form 3 with Hellbiter, so you should be able to use a Regen SB to make her Holy attacks in form 2 ineffective. Good luck.

---

So I can get another 6 mythril in a couple hours when the login bonus hits, so I skipped some Black Power grinding to get more mythril. Fuck it, I want Ramza's Scream. I see DJ's RW changed. Watching. Smiling. Taunting me.

that cunt

I'm also now done with the classic dungeons up through the last fight (which I only haven't cleared because it doesn't give you a stamina shard). I got a little more mythril than necessary for a pull to expand my inventory.  I can clear out a few of my freebie 5*s now (never gonna use that harp again... also, hilariously, the harp gives Bard a Hastega Soul Break. That... I still don't think I would have ever used him, but hey.) and some 4*s I definitely don't need (I'm set for FF7 and FF5 natural 5* synergy now, why keep all the junk?), but it's getting harder and harder to decide what's useless and what's not. A bunch of my 4* accessories can probably go, too, but I know as soon as I sell them I'm gonna want their status resistances for an Ultimate + fight. Blah.

Also definitely gonna have to expand my ability inventory... considering I'm probably not going to do any more banner pulls until the next FFT-quality banner, that should be fine. I'm just hoarding the mythril in the meantime anyway.

Haven't retried Gilgamesh yet, though watching some videos I realize now that my best bet for winning is to just blow through my Indoor Spell charges on all my characters and save all of my B/S/SBs for the final phase of the fight. I can also try switching back to Mog, but that means reconfiguring my party, ultimately losing Shellga in order to cram in Dispel... which isn't too bad, but he does have one MT spell that could be obnoxious not fully mitigated. Hm.

EDIT: Last pull. Garbage. Well, no, I got a 3rd Vincent Mantle and a 2nd Ragnarok. And the 2nd Ragnarok is definitely not garbage. But really, game, 3 Vincent Mantles? Guess V-boy's on the B team for a while. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 02, 2016, 08:57:48 PM
Beat Yunalesca Elite but didn't Master, mostly because I had the usual 2 Damage, 1 Turn medal loss but she has only 2 conditions, not 3, so oops.  Gonna have to go in there with Protectga, Shellga, and Shield Grimoire I'm thinking, or create a higher offense team, to make up for the one medal loss.  Mystery Veil turned out useful here if only because it gave Yuna an MT Healing move that didn't make me die to Mega Death, that's something!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 03, 2016, 01:21:56 AM
Mastered Elite Yunalesca, 1 damage medal lost.  Come at me Bro works, provided Gilgamesh has Dragoon's Determination to sap himself.  Otherwise you get

(http://www.billboard.com/files/media/megadeth_510.jpeg)

Still had to do the fight again because she did counter blind... on Gilgamesh... and it hit.  That's like stupidly low odds.  Mind Blast can also be annoying if she spams it.

Edit:  Wow Dave Mustane's hair looks like a Cocker Spaniel.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 03, 2016, 06:38:43 AM
Went back in with Shield Grimoire, gave Tyro Protectga as well, put him over Rikku, and given his effective 20~ level advantage (he's level 65, Rikku is level 35~ w/ Synergy), and using a synergy weapon (Heat Lance), he should be way more damaging than Rikku despite being Tyro.  Also, since I have Tyro, I can opt for a more offensive oriented RW, thus chose Planet Protector.

This worked! ...on my 2nd attempt.  First attempt, near the end she snuck in Mind Blast and Hellbiter between Shield Grimoires, 2 characters confused, and yeah, that probably killed my medals right there, so I Experted.  Went back, set up identical, and just played a little smarter, and got perfect Medal Mastery.  Well, glad's that out of the way with!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 03, 2016, 09:01:51 AM
Gilgamesh down. I realized that in lieu of Sun Bath, what was actually appropriate was Steal Power and controlling when the battle changed phases. Reading more closely, as you transition into phase 2, Gilgamesh's attack would ALWAYS deal 2016 damage, so I actually didn't want to hit that point until Aeris had built up her SB and I could have that queued up immediately. Anyway, setup was

Ramza (R4 Armor Breakdown, R4 Vanish Raid)
Zack (R5 Drain Strike, R4 Indoor Spell)
Bartz (R3 Steal Power, R4 Indoor Spell)
Tyro (R5 Rallying Etude, R4 Curaja)
Aeris (R4 Strongwater, R5 Curaja)
Stonera Skin RW

Steal Power was really good for the obvious reasons, but in addition, it did NOT trigger Gilgamesh's Phase 3 counters, allowing me turns to build up Bartz's SB gauge enough to queue up 2 BSSBs in a row. This kinda trivialized the battle.

Bookkeeping wise, I had written out all the equipment I have in a wordpad file and then my computer crashed so I don't have it anymore, so no e-peen bragging for now. Orbwise, I don't think R3 Meteo is happening since there's a day left in the Black Power orbfest, and I still need 10 more major blacks. R3 Full Break also needs 20 more Major Powers, so that's out too. Saint's Cross, Thief's Raid, and Break Fever can all be honed to R2, though I may just hang onto the orbs since they all feel a lot less necessary with my shiny new toys. In fact, using my Major Winds to convert to Greater Winds for Indoor Spell and Steal Power is probably what I should do anyway. I can also probably afford to hoard them for the foreseeable future until boss difficulty catches up with the power creep from the SSB fest, which is almost certainly what I'm gonna do.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 03, 2016, 04:02:48 PM
Might be old news, but...

You can't use barrage on a retaliator. Awww

And mug time has a low chance to blind the target.

Also...ffx event...

Rikku event. We get old rehashed swords.

Ugh
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 03, 2016, 04:06:12 PM
And the same 2* Helmets the past ones gave too!

Yeah, people on reddit were complaining that they gave the same exact gear every time for FF10 events.  I get that it's there for people jumping on now, so they have synergy gear for the event, but for long time players it does get frustrating cluttering your inventory up with the same garbage you just got rid of many events ago.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 03, 2016, 04:45:31 PM
And mug time has a low chance to blind the target.

Likely related to the weapon you're using, not the skill.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 03, 2016, 05:14:21 PM
Dusk Lance can blind enemies, not sure what other weapons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 03, 2016, 05:54:57 PM
Back to Sundailying, by the way. Rinoa got all the way up to 80 yesterday, so I'm currently just levelling Rikku, Lenna post-second cap-break, Faris, Krile and finishing up Tidus to L80 as well. May as well, considering he has Slice & Dice - thus, likely to be one of my top damage dealers against Ultimate Yunalesca.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 03, 2016, 07:46:30 PM
3* items in events are a catch up mechanic for new players.  Reusing old gear rather than creating new ones means that they keep down the pool of 3* items so when your new player pulls they are more likely to get duplicates.  Which helps them as a catch up mechanic.

This one tiny part of the content isn't for you.  The game would die without catch up mechanics for new people.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 03, 2016, 07:50:53 PM
The question I have is why the requisite FFX armor giveaway is only a 2 star.  I guess FFX doesn't have much incidental equipment but even a very early player doesn't have much use for 2 star armors.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 03, 2016, 08:09:10 PM
Okay that one is a good question.  That is a shit catch up mechanic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 03, 2016, 08:24:12 PM
Yep, and they're not bad either. You can make a fake 4* after two events in the same realm and they'll be your most useful equipment for a long time within that realm until you get through enough of the Dungeon content to do a few mythril pulls. To add on to Grefter's point, do you really want a bunch of useless 2* and 3* items taking up even more gatcha slots that you can't even combine because there's too much variety?

And, really, they're annoying because they clutter up your inventory? It takes 3 seconds to sell them (and you all have the new AI now), they're all in the same area of the item menu sorted by rarity, and you have to do that shit daily anyway if you're doing the free daily pulls.

EDIT: CK, for early events, all the catchup equipment is 2*. Maybe 3* somewhere in the back half of the events, but the autobattle portions are always 2*.

If you want a more valid version of the complaint, having 1* and 2* equipment drop in 90+ level Classic Dungeons. THAT doesn't make any sense. By the time you're at that part in the Dungeon Update, you're well past the need for catchup gear.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 03, 2016, 08:24:48 PM
Also grinding story dungeons for a bunch of quick mithril and doing 11 pulls is a way more efficient catch-up mechanic than a pair of 3 star items per event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 03, 2016, 08:38:26 PM
To be clear, my complaint was relatively minor, more just a "bah, more of this crap" style thing than "what the hell game?"  As I said, I fully recognize it's there as a catch up mechanic, and little else.

Though, it reminds me how people say a good idea when you're new is to do the first 50 mithril pull you can ASAP, regardless of banner, since at that point what 5* you get will be hugely valuable, on top of which you're filling your inventory with lots of 3* and possibly 4*, which will be a significant improvement over the 1* and 2* crap you've likely been relying on.


THAT SAID, back to the item drop thing, I seem to recall there was an event that gave an off-Realm item...something like an FF8 event giving an FF5 item?  That makes no sense, since the whole point is "here's some Realm Synergy to give you a fighting chance against some of the harder stuff" without actually being enough for higher end elites (let alone bonus fights.)  Not having realm synergy makes the drops kind of lackluster.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 03, 2016, 09:02:01 PM
11 pulls is your standard progression loop.  You can't guarantee that you will get a sword.  A catch up mechanic with fixed items smooths that out.

Perspective, if you go back and read when this thing all blew up (Thanks Fen), I got like my first 5* from either login or my third or fourth 11 pull.  RNG is real and catch up mechanics that bypass them are very significant.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 03, 2016, 11:05:56 PM
The 11 pull statement was more a general thinking out loud thing more than me having any real point, I should have prefaced that I wasn't saying "do this instead!"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 03, 2016, 11:07:08 PM
We are the monsters.

(http://i.imgur.com/zXwe8Jv.gif)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 03, 2016, 11:52:11 PM
Saw that on reddit, and thought it was pretty hilarious.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 03, 2016, 11:53:51 PM
The question I have is why the requisite FFX armor giveaway is only a 2 star.  I guess FFX doesn't have much incidental equipment but even a very early player doesn't have much use for 2 star armors.

That's because, for 2* armors, they give three copies so they can be maxed at a fake 4* within the very event. 2* into fake 4* are comparable to 3* into fake 4* once you account for synergy, and they only hand two of each 3* in the events.

EDIT: That doctored pic is amazing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 04, 2016, 02:08:17 AM
So Terra and Tidus JP banner came and went. I blew nearly all my mythril and got Celes' Excalibur and Tidus's Burst SSB! Excellent results. Terra's would have been nice but Shun ended up pulling it in his first try and I was like "of course you did".

Well I can't complain about the overall result. Finally having a Burst SB is freaking awesome and means that I might actually be able to take on some of the Kyo+ fights. Those New Years fights look daunting though.

Global:
Less exciting stuff to say. Haven't figured out a good plan for Yunalesca yet. Maybe I'll do another Tyro with Retaliate to spam SG?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 04, 2016, 02:15:46 AM
I still haven't figured out my Yunalesca setup either. I want to bring Gilgamesh with Drawtaliate in order to shut down her dispelling, but that can lead to screwups with Hellbiter => Mega Death. Y'shtola will be an awkward fit as well, since I already have to bring Yuna... whose relic SBs get spoiled by Yunalesca's mechanics and Holy absorption. Maybe I could bring Yuna with Devotion + two 3* Summons, but that's not a great use of offense. It's a strange fight to plan for.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 04, 2016, 02:41:41 AM
You mathed out and planned for Exdeath... but not for Yunalesca?

(http://oi40.tinypic.com/k3aasw.jpg)

Edit - Thought about changing that, but fuck it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 04, 2016, 02:42:21 AM
We are the monsters.

(http://i.imgur.com/zXwe8Jv.gif)

Can't be real, that's a Blue Mage, Blue Magic doesn't exist.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 04, 2016, 12:25:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A

grefter.gif aside, I have a couple ideas for Yunalesca, I'm just pondering which of them would yield the best results due to the fight having a lot of moving parts. Drawtaliate on Gilgamesh lets me use Protectga/Shellga/Hastega with relative impunity, but I then have to manage Retaliate so Hellbiter doesn't miss him on phase 3 before Megadeath, since I'm not certain Dragoon's Determination/Self-Sacrifice sap lasts that long. If I do, I'm also likely forfeiting Y'shtola, who's a bit of an awkward fit due to the White Mage opening already being pre-slotted by Yuna (whose presence wouldn't normally be a problem to me due to Hymn of the Fayth being amazing, but it overwrites sap and that's deadly on the third phase. May consider using it on phase 2 in order to wall her Holy casts, though). Running an offensive WHM also isn't a great idea due to 'lesca absorbing Holy element. I'll have to experiment a bit to see what works best.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 04, 2016, 01:28:25 PM
Okay, time to buckle down and try for Lenna's MC2. Gotta deal with Exdeath first. Looking at strategy recommendations the main thing I'm missing is Carbuncle (not enough Greater Summon Orbs), so the second phase is going to hurt - I'll have to save as much mitigation as I can to deal with the threat of double Earthshaker/Vacuum Wave offense.

Boss rush....this is where I'll be burning a ton of mythril, I expect. Particularly for the crystals. Not at all sure I can beat them even with 30+ mythril to use for revives, but I'll give it a shot.

Antlion will get full on sleep cheese. My only worry is possibly not having enough offensive magic to whittle him down.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 04, 2016, 01:55:45 PM
Okay, time to buckle down and try for Lenna's MC2. Gotta deal with Exdeath first. Looking at strategy recommendations the main thing I'm missing is Carbuncle (not enough Greater Summon Orbs), so the second phase is going to hurt - I'll have to save as much mitigation as I can to deal with the threat of double Earthshaker/Vacuum Wave offense. Boss rush....this is where I'll be burning a ton of mythril, I expect. Particularly for the crystals. Not at all sure I can beat them even with 30+ mythril to use for revives, but I'll give it a shot.

Exdeath is very straight-forward, at least, and Slow significantly hampers his effective threat. Tempo Flurry on average should handle it, and Diaga also helps considerably on offense besides holy weakness being a target score, not to mention Princess Favor's high regen + proper. The boss rush isn't -too- bad, though you'll want as much AoE as you possibly can muster, both Dragon Flower and the Crystal Guardians get skewered by it (though, in the Guardians' case, you also have to watch out for their low HP phase, since their MT is nasty). For Atomos, Sleep is a must, his offense in RK isn't much less scary than it is in-game and dying is a much bigger problem here. Other than that, good luck.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 04, 2016, 03:52:07 PM
So, for the boss rush, bring a whole pile of non-elemental AOE (i.e. Valefor and Ruinga, plus a Blade Beam RW) with Sleep for Atomos? I can do that. I'll probably have to rely on mythril revives to give me more Ruinga charges, I can't afford to hone 4 star magic yet.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 04, 2016, 04:15:21 PM
If that's what it takes, it's worth it. Blade Beam RW is probably your best bet for trying to rush the Crystals (it feels a bit overkill on the Dragon Flowers, who are quite fragile), though if you have the Spring II RMs, it'll help some as well, but if you don't, I wouldn't fret - use Mythrils instead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on January 04, 2016, 05:22:08 PM
If you don't have Carbuncle, Lure Magic + Reflect is a fantastic substitute.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 04, 2016, 06:16:29 PM
It is a good combo for spoiling ST magic, but the free Magic Lure copy we got was walled behind a boss rush in Seifer's event, which I don't think Shale has attempted, and it's a 4* ability, with all the orb costs this entail. Reflect is relatively simple to craft in comparison. Another option would be cap-breaking Red XIII for his Auto-Reflect RM, but his MC is guarded by a rather tough Elite dungeon that Shale may not even have unlocked yet.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 04, 2016, 06:26:20 PM
Exdeath has been dealt with - no mythril needed or Reflect, just S/L to get Tempo Flurry to do its job. Diara/aga was landing for almost 9K a shot, that helped a good deal. Looking at a very magic-heavy party for the boss rush - Vivi slinging Ruinga and Dark, Rydia (freshly MC'd) for Valefor and Sleep, Lenna for healing and Shellga, Sephiroth with Darkmoon, and Gilgamesh drawing all the ST attacks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 04, 2016, 06:30:37 PM
Gilgy will be of limited use in the boss rush, sadly - I think only the crystal guardians even use physicals, and they're not very dangerous so just that shared SB Protectga may suffice. That -is- all they use until the low HP phase, though, so there's that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 04, 2016, 06:32:15 PM
Oh, I (mis)remembered them as being a thing in the Dragon Flowers battle too. In that case maybe Loserface -- he's got another AOE soul break, that can't hurt.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 04, 2016, 06:42:30 PM
The Dragon Pod has physicals, but only uses them when the flowers are alive. And if the flowers are alive, its physicals are the least of your worries because of their status parade. The Dragon Pod's also vulnerable to Stop, so that's an option if you feel you can't properly keep the flowers weeded constantly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 04, 2016, 07:05:35 PM
Hm. Maybe Stop as the second ability on Sephiroth, then. And the flowers are vulnerable to sleep, so I could swap out Sleep on Rydia for Lullaby on Tyro, give her an ST black magic, and just let the flowers snooze while I stop and mangle the pod.

EDIT: Boss rush report!

S/L'ed on the Dragon Pod until I got Stop to connect straight off, then used AOE to tear up the flowers before focusing down on the pod because Lullaby was clearly never going to get them all at once. It woke up at about half HP, and at that point I was able to use Blade Beam and Ruinga to keep the adds under control while taking the Pod down. Full medals.

S/L'ed twice on Atomos until an opening Lullaby connected, then used all my remaining offensive spell charges on him before he woke up. After that it was just a matter of attack attack attack SB attack attack attack. Of the members of my party only Sephiroth deals even okay damage with his basic physical so it was a long process, but Atomos only ate two people and I finished with 8/9 medals (lost one for actions).

Intermission! Used a mythril to full restore before the crystal fight, because if I can beat those two with no revives at all I might as well try to take out the crystals in one go (plus it's better for the damage medal).

Crystal time. No S/L here, it's all damage all the time against these guys. When you factor out the elements they null my AOE offense is 4 shots of Ruinga, two Blade Beams, two Darkmoons, one Valefor, and Cyclone Grimoire. Past that, I've got Waterga, Dark and physicals, unlikely to hack it against four bosses with solid offense. Would that be enough? *drumroll* Yes, yes it was! They died after three rounds of all-out offense, culminating in a Cyclone Grimoire. 8/9 medals, losing one for damage. Now the Antlion is all that stands between me and a second MC2. Nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 04, 2016, 09:25:18 PM
Nice work. It's really cool to read all the elaborate strategies made up in order to compensate a lack of raw power. It's kind of a testament to the game's oddly high accessibility once you get a few cylinders firing. Pulling it off with only one Mythril's also a huge achievement, considering how much you were afraid you'd spend.

EDIT: Also, making good use of Lullaby with its 20% hit rate is a serious feat.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 04, 2016, 11:08:45 PM
It certainly helps that this is the first event after an Orbfest so I can get (if not refine) whatever abilities seem like they'll help with the fights at hand. Later runs are going to be somewhat more demanding, I expect.

Anyway, MC2 get! Needed to mythril revive for that one -- not for extra stats but for the party to start with SB gauges mostly filled. Gave Sleep to Lenna so it'd hit reliably, threw water and other offensive magic at Antlion until I ran out, and had to attack attack SB etc the rest of the way, but it worked! I missed the mastery because Vivi ate a Gastric Juice OHKO, which is lame, but I got Greater Black Orbs and the crystal, I call it a win.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 04, 2016, 11:52:47 PM
So my team for Ultimate Exdeath looked like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/ogIh1oJ.png)

RW was Lunatic High.

Needless to say I had an easy time. Zero S/Ls, the closest anyone came to dying was Bartz taking ~3000 from Exdeath's turn 1 physical. Rinoa and Lenna did constant 9999s; Bartz needed Steal Power to hit such heights, but he made up for it with 2 25K Lupine Barrages near the end.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 05, 2016, 12:03:58 AM
Dear god, that must be what being keytsang feels like.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 05, 2016, 12:34:02 AM
I also have a Hypno Crown++ that I forgot to equip, not that it would've made any difference at all on Lenna or Rinoa.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 05, 2016, 01:35:22 AM
Beat the Boss Rush.  Probably could take Magus Sisters now (I have the Stamina), but meh, lazy.

Boss Rush required a few S/Ls, since:

-First time, Oblitzerator decided it'd be nice to use it's counter on Yuna before I had hit him wtih Power Breakdown.
-2nd time Rikku decided it'd be nice to NOT HIT WITH INTIMIDATE EVER, which in turn of a medal condition, means I took too much damage (the winning run, due to some below the belt late fight counters when Power Breakdown wasn't up, he stole a single Damage medal from me; whatever, that's salvage-able)
-Crawler, it was basically a race against time, getting him with Power Breakdown and killing the Canceller before Gatling murdered me, followed by Yuna getting Hymn of the Fayth off.  Didn't help that I used more resources than I intended on the previous fight.

Still, not too bad a boss rush.  I lost one medal each round (damage on first and third, actions on 2nd), but that's hardly anything to worry about.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 05, 2016, 02:47:41 AM
Done with all the fights but Ultimate myself. I procced Intimidate on Oblitzerator early and, past that, a 5+* Heat Lance-wielding Lightning with Thundara and Thundaga Sword, which made the fights very fast. For the Magus Sisters, I brought Y'shtola for SSII and Yuna for Valeduin spamming. The fight ended so fast that failing to poison Sandy (instead poisoning Cindy) didn't even matter. Defender X fails all day against Reflect and Berserk as before. Will leave 'lesca for tomorrow and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 05, 2016, 03:04:11 AM
Boss rush: Auron/Yuna/Wakka/Lulu/Rikku.  Most dangerous boss was the last one, and that's because I couldn't cast.  Didn't matter though, I didn't even kill the Suppressor.

Magus Sisters:  Switched out Auron for Gilgamesh.  Lullaby procs once on two sisters.  Still win anyway with Sandy poisoned and no one dead.

Defender X:
Defender X fails all day against Reflect and Berserk as before.



Already planning for 'Leska Ultimate.  I'm excited to try it, even if I'm not as smashingly powerful as Jo'ou.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 05, 2016, 04:34:41 AM
Beat Magus Sisters.  Had to do it twice since the first time I forgot about the Poison Condition and lost ONE MEDAL on Turns, there goes mastery!

Second time, lost 2 medals on damage because no Protectga = Delta Storm STINGS.

Otherwise, the fight was essentially "if Gilgamesh gets his 2nd turn, I win"; Yuna will have had Carbuncle cast by then, killing Mindy's magic, and Drawtaliate takes care of everything save Delta Force which Hymn of the Fayth SHOULD heal me enough by then (Yuna has Dr. Mog's Teachings, so her 2nd turn is that just to offset any damage taken in the first two turns), and Yuna's goal is Venom Buster the rest of the fight.

This worked well...until Mindy decided to poke Yuna RIGHT BEFORE DYING with Passado, because apparently Draw Fire decided to wear off, making me have to S/L and basically just do everything over again.  winning Run was close, not because of any sort of strategy or anything, but because Yuna finally poisoned Sandy on her 8th and Final Venom Buster.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 05, 2016, 05:32:56 AM
So I tried Ultimate Yunalesca.

http://imgur.com/a/WKUbC

I'm just going to leave this here.

Just going to say: Faith wound up being useless, but I'm not sure what I could've used in its place, maybe Boost.  'Lesca got very Osmose-happy, so I was scrambling for offense at the end there.

Also: the Sap from Dragoon's Determination lasted the entire battle, so there's that for people that were theorycrafting Drawtaliate Gilgamesh.  Just keep in mind that you'll be running out of charges faster due to her Osmose.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 05, 2016, 06:28:58 AM
Yeah I don't know how long Sap from the RMs last, but I'm pretty sure it lasts indefinitely. I've never had it wear off before the end of a battle (admittedly, I always had Regen up until last week, so take that as you will).

Also, congrats, Shale. Workin' your way up. You'll be a big boy soon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 05, 2016, 07:50:54 AM
I'm not certain Dragoon's Determination/Self-Sacrifice sap lasts that long.

This was more what I was responding to, Zenzen

Some of the other things I was surprised by:
Absorb runs into Drawtaliate.  Even causes a counter!
I had a freaking use for Kimahri's Mighty Guard (X) as my RW.  I mean, seriously?
The timer for Holy (All) seems absurdly long.  I mean, I was scrambling for offense at the end again, and I still never saw it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 05, 2016, 08:22:55 AM
I was also addressing that and providing an anecdote to support what you were saying.

Unrelated, I didn't realize the BSSB fest ended today so I didn't get to do that 15 pull for SG. Oh well. Back to hoarding mythril for the next 3 months.

Edit: Hey DJ, I just checked the MC2 trade in area and Ramza is totally there now, if you didn't already know.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 05, 2016, 08:33:27 AM
...It's only once people respond to me that I realize how much of an asshole I was being.  Even the thing I thought was cute and punnish when I typed it now just looks assholish.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 05, 2016, 08:44:22 AM
Clearly we'll have to start using Kyoudii-sensei instead!  TEACH US LEPRECHAUN MAN

Bleh.  I suck at the game today.  Whiffed mastery on the FFX boss rush and ultimately decided I didn't want to S/L Exdeath until his AI played nice.  At least the Magus Sisters went down with minimal fuss.  Defender X seems to basically own himself, and tomorrow's a grinding day anyways, so back to not thinking very hard for a while I guess.
That or I'm really upending all my existing strategies trying to work in SSB spam and this will sort itself out when Indoor Spell is available.  Hopefully.  Mm.  It's Power/Ice/Wind?  That's what I'm remembering so I've been hording all those, if that's not is someone correct me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 05, 2016, 09:17:39 AM
Yeah I don't know how long Sap from the RMs last, but I'm pretty sure it lasts indefinitely. I've never had it wear off before the end of a battle (admittedly, I always had Regen up until last week, so take that as you will.

I've had DD sap run out before. Hence my worry. This said:

Mastered Yunalesca. Two S/Ls due to two unfortunate status counters on phase 1 (first try, she Silenced Yuna. Second, she Blinded Tidus. Nope), but once I got intact to phase two, I had it all under control, being careful to not refresh Retaliate until 'lesca slapped Hellbiter just before phase 3. Offensively, only Holy is truly scary, though Osmose is a serious threat resources-wise. Red XIII ran out of charges shortly after phase 3 began and it also chewed through Tidus' Tempo Flurries like mad. Funnily enough, I didn't remember to use my offensive SBs in the fight. Also ended up not bringing Y'shtola, which worked out for the best. Two WMs are way awkward to fit into this battle. Fun stuff!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 05, 2016, 09:29:45 AM
The Sap on Dragoon's Determination definitely runs out, though luckily it lasts plenty long enough for this Yunalesca fight.

I wasn't quite sure what an optimal strategy would be for Lesca, so I just set up an Advantaliate team to test the waters, figured I could plan something better once that failed.

But apparently she's a chump or I just got super-lucky RNG because I full-medaled it and never took more damage than a quarter of my heath. >.>;;

I'm sure part of it was that I somehow pulled a third Variable Steel from the 100-gem pull today, so I just gave in and combined my first 7* Sword. Putting that on a Level 80 Cloud advantaliator just eats through Lesca so quick. Lunatic High and Sentinel's Grimoire for support but otherwise it was all Cloud.

Feels so cheap.

Time to plan out some ridiculous strategy involving Poison and Jump. >_<
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 05, 2016, 09:52:10 AM
Advantaliate remains overpowered when you have native Walls and Hastega, news at 11. The problem for most people is they usually have to choose between Advantaliate and not dying to unmitigated boss offense. Not to mention running a 7* synergy weapon is complete overkill: if I rammed the softcap with L80 Tidus just using a 5* Lightning Steel and synergy offense equips for FFX post-Dragoon's Determination, you were certainly running four-digit ATK post-Advance (for all the good it does post-cap, but still).

EDIT: THIS SAID, Reddit's been noting how badly Advantaliate spoils Yunalesca as long as you don't skimp on the fight's gimmicks. It... does make sense, her offense actually isn't great outside Holy and Advantaliate gets around Osmose, which is 'lesca's most notable fuck you due to putting your resources under the mercy of RNGesus. So yeah, go figure.

That or I'm really upending all my existing strategies trying to work in SSB spam and this will sort itself out when Indoor Spell is available.  Hopefully.  Mm.  It's Power/Ice/Wind?  That's what I'm remembering so I've been hording all those, if that's not is someone correct me.

Most likely. Gamechanging SBs tend to work into a more reckless style of play, at least at first. Lifesiphon indeed involves Greater Power/Ice/Wind, by the way. A week and a half to go!

(Too bad about that FF4 event dangling inbetween.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 05, 2016, 04:57:58 PM
Looking a bit into the future, I just have this to say:

Quote
Ultimate Boss

Be prepared to face Barthandelus!

Defeat him and claim the Soulfont Talisman! (RES +15)

...I really hope what's listed for he Fang event is a typo, because only 15 RES for a 5* Accessory does not sound worth it, especially for the amount of effort that's going to be needed to murder this thing again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 05, 2016, 05:05:22 PM
It has some high-level status resistance or other alongside the stat.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 06, 2016, 07:50:48 AM
For my reference

MCs I can get from Elite Dungeons & have yet to get:
Shaman
Viking
FuSoYa
Samurai
Mystic Knight
Dark Knight
Dragoon
Steiner
Ninja
Gladiator
Red Mage
Cyan

Besides that, I have 11 MCs I can't get except through the MC store, and I have 10 blank lodes... plus I'll get two in two days from New Years bonuses and one more from the Lightning event when I do that after the Orbfest ends. So I basically can get everyone to L65 now, with a quick dungeon dip in the worst case scenario. Neat.

Also, considering my party probably won't really be changing all that much to claim U+ rewards (I think I'm gonna try to do BSSBless runs of Ultimate+ fights just to scratch that overplanning itch, but it'll be nice to not really have to fret on a deadline if a fight is too obnoxious.. anyway I digress), I suppose I may as well spend my blank MC2s on characters with Record Materia 2/3s that I want. Steiner and Tidus' stick out since they fill SB gauge faster, and Leonhart's could be good depending on how much Attack is raised and Defense lowered. Aside from that though I'm not sure what I should aim for. I'll probably comb through the Excel file tonight or tomorrow, then blow my mythril on levelling those characters up to 65 before the Orbfest finally ends. In the meantime, (I suppose I'm mostly asking Snow >_>), are there any unreleased RM2/3s that you all are eagerly waiting for in Global? I imagine I have some of them (Dualcasts, etc) but hey maybe I don't.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 06, 2016, 08:06:16 AM
Terra's RM with Dualcast Black, definitely.

Apart from that, I also kind of want the RMs that change Attack to a lvl1 magic spell (I think Vivi's and Selphie's?), just so I can run dailies with mages more efficiently.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 06, 2016, 08:35:24 AM
We're mostly waiting on the Dualcasts and SB boosting ones (Terra's, Garnet's, Devout's, Steiner's). Another one I kinda want is FuSoYa's second RM for another Spring source. But Springs themselves become less useful as they de-emphasize boss rushes and our hones improve.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 06, 2016, 08:41:18 AM
I'd certainly be happy to have FuSoYa's RMs just for longer dungeons to have a second mage spam Quake, but in fairness I also don't want to hone Quake up and could probably get by with Mana Spring I if I did so.  But damn I hate to spend those Greater Darks.
(The alternative is having a BM/Summoner and just using Summon Spring of course, but there's only the two of those right now and they're kinda middling without their RS bonus I find.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 06, 2016, 08:47:03 AM
OK, it looks like I either have those already or they're on the list. Edited my last post with the ones I'm gonna aim for sooner or later. I don't care about the Attack->Spell RMs because I have Meteo, Ruinga, and Summons decently honed also you can't really effectively autobattle the EX++ Dailies in JP. Thanks guys.

EDIT: Oh this is the top post on the next page. This is way more convenient for me to put this info dump. Here we go!


RMs I may want that require an MC2:

Arc RM3 (Staff: MATK+10%, MIND+10%), already have MC2
Galuf RM3 (Fist: Damage 1.2x)
Locke RM2 (Dagger: Damage 1.2... I got a shitton of daggers, yo. Also Locke Waifu)
Reno RM2 (Rod: Damage and Black 1.2x), already have MC2
Laguna RM2 (ATK+10%, DEF+10%, Start: Regen)
Sazh RM2 (Double Hit), low priority, will receive MC2 in current event
Echo RM2 (MATK+10%, Start Blind)
Evil Princess Sarah RM2 (and 1 for that matter) (Attack -> Heal) 
Sabin RM2 (Dualcast Monk)
Yda RM2 (Attack-> Kick)

P.Cecil RM3 (If hit with physical, 30% chance to heal... low priority)
Zidane RM2 (Dualcast Thief) useful if I hone Thief's Raid, RM2 already acquired
Snow RM3 (Fist: ATK+10%, DEF+10%), will receive MC2 in the current event
Red XII RM3 (Support Fountain)
Vaan RM2 (Dualcast Celerity), MC2 already acquired, low Priority
Gau RM2 (Attack +10% and Haste)
Squall RM3 (SB Gauge increase 1.5x on taking damage)
Auron RM2 (Dualcast Samurai), Low Priority
Balthier RM2 (Dualcast Engineer), MC2 already acquired, low Priority
Tidus RM3 (SB Gauge 1.5x on Ability use), same as Ramza's but another one won't hurt

Firion RM3 (ATK +10%, DEF+10%, Start: Regen), already have MC2
Celes RM2 (Spellblade Damage 1.3x... may already have), already have MC2
Steiner RM3 (SB Gauge 1.25x on Ability use and taking damage)
Jecht RM2 (Attack -> 14% chance of Barrage)

Note to Self: I already have it, and Agrias' RM2 (Knight skill dmg 1.3x) is gonna be pretty good if I decide to hone Saint's Cross. Looks like Tidus and perhaps Firion or Sazh will be the folks I try to get to 65 before the end of the Orbfest. Otherwise I'm gonna focus on getting everyone else to 50, a much more attainable goal. Regardless, I can probably go ahead and spend my MC2 lodes on the folks whose MC2s I don't have and not worry about it too much, it looks like.

To have everything in the same post...

RMs I want and don't have that only require MC1s:

Mystic Knight RM2
Fusoya RM2
Samurai RM2, need MC
Shaman RM2
Bard RM2 (Attack: MT, but 0.6x), Daddy I'm a Farmer
Zell RM2
Edward RM2

Ninja RM2, Low Priority
Kimarhi RM2, Low Priority, need L50
Setzer RM1, Low Priority, need L50

EDIT: Added a couple I missed in adding to the list
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 06, 2016, 09:53:10 AM
All the loads he has gotten and about to get.  Nearly has enough loads.

I don't believe you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 06, 2016, 11:19:15 AM
Zenny you're crazy, you can totally autobattle ++ Dailies in JP if I'm able to...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 06, 2016, 11:33:17 AM
Oh, yeah I could if I used my main party, but why? Sure the EXP gain isn't much but it adds up, and repeatedly tapping Meteo-Ruinga-NOBODY UNDERSTANDS MY PAIN-Flaming Weeaboo-Valefor on L50-65 characters isn't any harder than autobattling, and is a little bit faster if I'm trying to get all my timebux spent before work/my next class. If you mean you can with characters under L65, I don't believe you. Not without characters dying anyway. Some of those Daily enemies pack legit damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 06, 2016, 01:25:02 PM
Dungeoneering. I can afford to miss a Wednesdaily after Orbfest, particularly with Lightning being in such low demand right now. Wind isn't, but it's more annoying to get in the daily and events are more generous with handing Greater Wind Orbs typically. The submarine randoms in FF6's Ancient Castle are obnoxious, since they have multiple ranged AoE attacks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 06, 2016, 02:27:42 PM
Oh, yeah I could if I used my main party, but why? Sure the EXP gain isn't much but it adds up, and repeatedly tapping Meteo-Ruinga-NOBODY UNDERSTANDS MY PAIN-Flaming Weeaboo-Valefor on L50-65 characters isn't any harder than autobattling, and is a little bit faster if I'm trying to get all my timebux spent before work/my next class. If you mean you can with characters under L65, I don't believe you. Not without characters dying anyway. Some of those Daily enemies pack legit damage.

I usually use one 65+ PC and a handful of 50+s. The key is to grab a BSSB RW and just tap that at the beginning of a battle and then let autobattle go. Much quicker than actually having to look at it.


EDIT: OMG I love this Fat Chocobo summon, I will take him everywhere <3 :3 :3 :3
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 06, 2016, 04:11:54 PM
I took a stab at Advantaliating the level 99 Yunalesca (going at her normally is kind of a lost cause, too much of my offense is Diara/aga and too much of my mitigation adds regen as a side benefit), but lacking Ricard's RM is also a problem. Possibly I've found a use for my last Memory Crystal Lode.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 06, 2016, 04:14:13 PM
Who else were you pondering for that remaining MC Lode, anyway?

I went back to look at the next banner set and wow, is it underwhelming. When one of the best equips on a banner is a -heavy armor-, you know you have a winner. Par for the course for FF4, though, its only good banner ever was Golbez'.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 06, 2016, 04:20:08 PM
No really solid ideas. Golbez and Paladin Cecil were on the long list, but if FF4 is coming around next, that's probably covered.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 06, 2016, 04:22:25 PM
Paladin Cecil won't get a reissue here, though, or... for the foreseeable future, really. If you -really- want to use Cecil, the Lode is your best shot until about two months ahead, when they reintroduce the Hall of Rites as a permanent feature.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 06, 2016, 04:55:21 PM
It was more an "I guess he looks like a useful character" thing. I'm also kicking around Irvine so he can start putting that Valiant to use and apply ranged Breakdowns.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 06, 2016, 05:04:40 PM
Irvine is a better bet if you don't have a dedicated Support, I suppose? Cecil is pretty solid, but his skillset mix will get notable competition soon (Beatrix comes around in about two weeks). Though Sazh can also use Valiant and he'll have his MC reissued next week.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 06, 2016, 05:19:07 PM
Jsef's rm1 saps you as well and is much easier to get. The damage boost is normally a lot less, but not when Advance is applied.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 06, 2016, 05:22:36 PM
The main thing weighing in Irvine's favor is that right now my only offensive SBs are on spellcasters or Tyro; Fast Ammo would fill at least a temporary area of need. But of course, one good 11-pull would do the exact same.

Edit: Oooh, Josef's RM will work just fine. I just need to clear out four more classic dungeons for it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 06, 2016, 06:45:29 PM
Cleared all Classic dungeons from the update! Now sitting on 152 Stamina, still have to collect Samurai's MC and Strago's Growth Egg.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 06, 2016, 07:35:11 PM
So yunalesca was a lot easier than ex death. Didn't lose a medal.

Used the advantalite method. Seemed like my only option.

Now, time to catch up on some dungeons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 06, 2016, 09:54:58 PM
Who else were you pondering for that remaining MC Lode, anyway?

I went back to look at the next banner set and wow, is it underwhelming. When one of the best equips on a banner is a -heavy armor-, you know you have a winner. Par for the course for FF4, though, its only good banner ever was Golbez'.

Eh, I think you're selling the banner a bit short. There's no top tier item, true, but there's a fair number of stuff with unique stat builds and some above average SBs. Murasame is a great stat stick with +20% water damage and +71 magic for ninja spells, and the SB has both good damage and 100% AoE stun. Elfin Bow has a subpar side effect for an AoE heal, but being a bow instead of a staff opens up some neat builds on other characters, mainly Cecil. Double-blink is really nice for Rydia, who's going to be one of our top two summoners for several months. Polymorth rod... well, the stats are nice at least.

Meanwhile all four SBs on the second banner have useful effects, it mainly suffers from being tied to mediocre-or-worse PCs aside from Golbez. Edward lacking an MC really cripples what would be the headliner item, sadly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 07, 2016, 12:37:51 AM
Polymorph Rod synergizes great with all these 1- or 2-use 5* abilities I have sitting around. Barrage, Full Break, and Meteor have all gotten a bit more use whenever I bring Tellah as my sage.

Also, this first FF4 banner is great for me. My FF4 synergy is still a bit lacking, and I could use a new Katana (especially with MAG on it, for say Ashe). I have no Bows or Whips either, so getting one would be nice for their users as well. This is probably the only banner I'll pull on without a SSB until Ramza's.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 07, 2016, 02:19:24 AM
Polymorph Rod synergizes great with all these 1- or 2-use 5* abilities I have sitting around.

So things you don't use for a reason?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 07, 2016, 03:20:56 AM
Well, that's the thing. These abilities are actually pretty awesome if you can use them more than twice. Polymorph Rod's SB recovers MP. So if you combine the two, you get USABLE 5* abilities.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 07, 2016, 03:32:36 AM
Assuming the RNG favors you that day.

Edit: SPEAKING OF

Did Beginner's Banner pull.  Blood Spear, Blood Spear, Keepsake Knife, Dragon Armlet, Mystery Veil.  I'm slightly terrified.
Also decided to pull Rinoa's Valkyrie but damn that barely stands out next to that craziness.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 07, 2016, 08:36:09 AM
You can actually manipulate RNG to restore the ability you want, since Tellah's SB never restores uses to a fully charged ability if at all possible. I've actually used that in my favor during Faris/Krile's boss rush.

Welp, next JP event is FF6. Edgar, Sabin, Cyan, Setzer and Gau (!) score MC2s, Gau finally gets a SB and Sabin, Edgar and Cyan get SSBs. Edgar once again awesomes it up by turning a spear into a chainsaw.

EDIT:

Who else were you pondering for that remaining MC Lode, anyway?

I went back to look at the next banner set and wow, is it underwhelming. When one of the best equips on a banner is a -heavy armor-, you know you have a winner. Par for the course for FF4, though, its only good banner ever was Golbez'.
Eh, I think you're selling the banner a bit short. There's no top tier item, true, but there's a fair number of stuff with unique stat builds and some above average SBs. Murasame is a great stat stick with +20% water damage and +71 magic for ninja spells, and the SB has both good damage and 100% AoE stun. Elfin Bow has a subpar side effect for an AoE heal, but being a bow instead of a staff opens up some neat builds on other characters, mainly Cecil. Double-blink is really nice for Rydia, who's going to be one of our top two summoners for several months. Polymorth rod... well, the stats are nice at least.

I guess a big part of the reason I'm completely eeeeeeeeeeeeeh on the banner is both being overloaded on FF4 mage synergy (including Tellah's rod and one of Rydia's whips) and most of the other utility granted by the banners. Dragon Whisker's SB, offensively, outside of being two hits, has an identical mult to Summon Eidolon II (which... isn't exactly good at this point) and the whip lacks Ice Whip's elemental boosting properties. The Blink add-on is cute, but not much more than that. The bow is cool mostly for Cecil/Lenna and I guess is workable if you lack AoE healing, but on the other hand, isn't very useful for most other clerics. You have a point on Murasame, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 07, 2016, 10:16:38 AM
Hahaha, and I thought the Drill-shaped Spear was awesome! :3

Any word on whether cool stuff for Terra will be on the banners?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 07, 2016, 10:24:19 AM
Nope, it's all Setzer, Cyan, Sabin, Edgar, Gau, Shadow and RELM stuff. Terra -just- got a BSSB anyway. One notable point is that Setzer's Card is a -thrown- weapon instead of that Gambling nonsense. I guess they admitted making an exclusive weapon type for Setzer was stupid beyond all recognition.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 07, 2016, 10:26:50 AM
Every time Terra isn't an update, all the players should be asking, where's Terra's MC4?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 07, 2016, 11:34:59 AM
I'm hoping that when they made that for Setzer they were intending on adding more Gamblers, like perhaps Lady Luck Paine or Ace from Type-0.

Not even sure if there -are- any other gamblers in the series? Cait Sith maybe might've counted, but they gave him Instruments instead (right call, honestly).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 07, 2016, 11:42:07 AM
I'm guessing they realized nothing would really make for a coherent weapon type given the possible draws and whatnot. Cait Sith has Gambling -skills-, but doesn't use gambling -weapons-, while Setzer actually used both. At least, FFX's blitzballs now can be used by half the game's PC cast, though I can't figure for the life of me when did Rikku touch a blitzball in-game.

Done with all the Classic dungeons in this update, rummaging through Elites - only FFV dungeons left, which I'll likely break my A-team for due to relatively low synergy. No Break resistance makes SG/SSII complete overkill.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 07, 2016, 11:50:05 AM
She might've been on the Al Bhed team before she scampered off to go help Yunie?

Also, checking the FF wikia, apparently all of the Gullwings can play Blitzball in FFX-2 in Ch5 in Luca. So technically Yuna should get Blitzballs too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 07, 2016, 12:03:44 PM
Okay, this makes more sense.

Oh yeah, Gau's event will have VARGAS as the Ultimate+ boss. This is hilarious given his history within FFRK.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 07, 2016, 01:24:30 PM
Beat Ultimate Yunalesca, nowhere close to mastery.  Only ones left alive at the end were Bartz and Yuna with slivers of health.  Bartz got off a final Lupine Barrage right after she used Holy (All).

Started out with Drawtaliate Gilgamesh and Kimahri, but there just wasn't enough damage from either of those characters.  Mighty Guard is awesome because it stops Holy and Mind Blast.  But Kimahri is completely useless outside of that.  All he can do is Boost Gilgamesh.  So I swapped them out for Vivi and Selphie.  This wasn't bad but a timely Mind Blast wrecked my shit and everything went to hell.

I'll go for the Mastery later, need to farm Rinoa's RM3 for Vivi.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 07, 2016, 02:43:34 PM
Fanboyism tempts me with the FF6 banner, but meh I have enough toys and FF6 synergy to last for a while, so I'm currently trying to spend all my mythril on the last Holy/Non/Lightning day. Has been very productive. Lots of Majors have dropped just today, and all the characters I want MCs for are up to 50 now. I have 13 mythril to go, so I may be able to get get Steiner, Squall, and Firion up to L65 before I run out. They seem like the most useful RMs to get to add to my repertoire. ATK +10% is effectively 1.17x damage IIRC, right?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 07, 2016, 02:54:36 PM
I think it's up to 19% for ATK, since the exponential applied to it is higher than the exponential applied to MAG. Regardless, it's pretty solid, especially for a no-drawback RM.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 07, 2016, 05:46:03 PM
Whose gonna pull from this ff4 event?

*points at self*

THIS GUY!!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 07, 2016, 05:58:01 PM
It'll be your last opportunity in more or less four months.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 07, 2016, 06:23:56 PM
She might've been on the Al Bhed team before she scampered off to go help Yunie?

Also, checking the FF wikia, apparently all of the Gullwings can play Blitzball in FFX-2 in Ch5 in Luca. So technically Yuna should get Blitzballs too.

Rikku also uses a Blitz Ball in Blitz Ace potentially, being the one who serves it to Tidus' Sphere Shot...if she's got the highest relationship.  Lulu and Yuna are the other alternatives; I think this and the Al Bhed speedster scene (whether you get Rikku or Lulu) is the extent of FF10's hidden relationship values outside of possibly an occasional line of dialog; nothing on the same level as FF7's date (...which is to say, no, you don't get the opportunity to date Auron)


Regarding Terra on Banner: Djinn, she literally just had her BSSB on the previous banner!  Besides, Terra's the last FF6 character that needs any sort of love in this game; god only knows she's gotten more than her fair share.  Predicting them to release a "Heroic" skillset which is given to protagonists only to counter "Darkness" for Villains, because oh look, it CONVENIENTLY buffs Terra, Cloud, and Cecil (3 characters they like to favor) without being blatant about it!
...and yes, Snow would 100% get this skillset, despite not being a protagonist.  I thought THAT was obvious!



ON A DIFFERENT NOTE: Beat Ultimate Yunalesca w/ Mastery.  Various failed attempts until someone told me Mega Death is only a 5% chance in phase 3 and instead opening with it, she Hellbiters again.  Ok, now restoring Sap with HotF suddenly seems like a VERY good idea, since nulling out Holy entirely and not having to worry about Shellga being dispelled by Counters outside of Mind Blast, so I just have to hope she doesn't use a 5% attack in about 10 turns or whatever it takes to gun down half her health.  She did use MEga Death on the winning Run! ...right after her Phase shift Hellbiter, so no problems!  Other things to keep in mind was "use Hymn after the 2nd Hellbiter in phase 3, which is her 7 turn cycle one", and "Hold off on Sentinel Grimoire until Phase 2."

I also did get hit with Mind Blast, but damage was mild and only Auron and Yuna got confused, and Tyro had a turn coming up so Tyro pokes Auron and all is good (Yuna was basically useless at this point)


Team Set Up:
Tidus: Brotherhood, Genji Helmet (FF6), FFX Power Gloves, R3 Dismissal, R4 Armor Break, Soldier Strike.
Between Dismissal hits for stun and Armor Break for slight damage boost, he's just there to do damage mostly, having Realm Synergy, a Synergy weapon and an actual Soul Break (which matters more than usual thanks to Osmose).

Auron: Shimmering Blade, Crystal Armlet+, FFX Power Gloves, R3 Pound, R3 Double Cut, Bushido
More damage with Synergy and such, a Soul Break for late damage which also lowers attack, and he's level 65 w/ Synergy to boot.  Double Cut w/ Planet Protector did over 5k a hit, so yes, easily the best damage move Auron had. 

Vaan: Heat Lance, Holiday Mittens, The 4* FF10 Attack Accessory, R3 Magic Breakdown, R5 Tempo FLurry, Freedom's Wish. 
Mostly just worked well with being a character who could use a Synergy weapon, high leveled, Magic Breakdown, and Tempo Flurry being R5 makes a bit deal with Osmose.  The Mittens were there in case I needed another attack boost after PP #2 wears off.

Yuna: Lullabibble Rod, Mystery Veil, Some Defensive Equip, R5 Curaga, R2 Shellga, Mako's Might
Pure Healer with Shellga for added insurance.  Mystery Veil originally was there for MT Healing that didn't undo sap until I learned about it, and then too lazy to swap.

Tyro: Aevis Killer, Edin's Coat, FF10 Power Gloves, R2 PRotectga, R3 Power Breakdown, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Shield Grimoire; everything else is mostly filling gaps for other characters, but Shield Grimoire was the reason I brought him.

RW: Planet Protector.  Should be obvious based off descriptions and given the team, I think it's clear why.

Also, this fight made me come to the conclusion that the Lullabibble Rod is the best Relic I ever got from a Lucky Draw.  It's competition if you're wondering is Lightning's Blazefire Sabre, Garnet's Storm Staff, Squall's Shear Trigger, Rinoa's Rising Sun, Auron's Shimmering Blade and Tidus' Brotherhood. Won't deny that the Shimmering Blade at least TRIES to put up a fight though
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 07, 2016, 06:44:02 PM
I'm pretty sure Lullaby Rod would be easily among the top ten relics in the current meta. AoE healing + high Regen synergize amazingly and the move also compliments mitigation very nicely. Lenna picking a clone of that along with getting a MC2 also played into her serious jump in tiers during this interim (and then, she later got the Attack Up + Haste staff in Exdeath event... yeah). One can safely say Hymn of the Fayth is a gamechanger.

Beat Gilgamesh 4 Elite, not much to say. Faris and Krile are almost L65, at least. Will probably wait for Edge's event to land tonight, spend some stamina, spend the rest of it on another Elite dungeon and use the rest of it to blow through as much of the event as I can.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 08, 2016, 02:47:28 AM
Did a pull on the FF4 banner and got Rydia's new Whip! I was hoping for either this or the White Magic Bow (and an extra Polymorph sage stick or a new physical FF4 synergy katana would have been fine too). So it seemed like a rare occasion where the banner actually lined up with my needs.

I still need a bow but I'll wait for the FF12 banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 08, 2016, 02:54:20 AM
Penelo event's second banner would be best for that, since it hands Fran's new bow with a less obsolete SB. If you still care, it also has Ashe's Runeblade and Balthier's Capella.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 08, 2016, 06:41:09 AM
Welp, after all that, I have 130-160 greater and 29-35 major orbs of each of the ones in the last phase of the orbfest. Neat. Wish I had done some of that during Black Power but oh well, too late.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 08, 2016, 10:11:02 AM
Edgar likes scary movies. (https://ffrk-movie.static.sp.mbga.jp/soul_strike/10600600/20160108_WrRRcuq_Xhs.mp4)

EDIT: Mang, we're like a month away from Kefka's event. That's kinda nuts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 08, 2016, 01:47:55 PM
Want.

Speaking of the figaro bro...

Just read this on gamefaqs.

Upcoming events in order:

FFVI event featuring the Figaro brothers (just started right now)

FFX event featuring an Auron Dress Code - turning him into his younger appearance from Braska's pilgrimage.

FFXIV event with another Scion of the Seventh Dawn recruitable.

FFVII event with half-naked Sephiroth Dress Code



Mobius Final Fantasy collab is also coming soon and will feature WoL and Echo as new party members. They'll be counted as being from FFI.

New dungeons coming 1/13 that will include the first FFXI dungeons.

The new character strengthening system will not be the same as leveling up, and will apparently give players some control over how characters grow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 08, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
Edgar likes scary movies. (https://ffrk-movie.static.sp.mbga.jp/soul_strike/10600600/20160108_WrRRcuq_Xhs.mp4)

EDIT: Mang, we're like a month away from Kefka's event. That's kinda nuts.

Yeah I don't really know how I feel about the fact that I've been playing for long enough that y'all are gonna catch up to when I started. I think I'll distract myself by hoarding mythril on the chance that Thyrus will show up in the FFXIV banners in a couple weeks.

Also, oh boy, an FFVII event in a few weeks. Man it's been like a week since we last had one. Too long.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 08, 2016, 03:11:54 PM
Got Josef's RM and beat the level 99 Yunalesca fight with Advantaliate (thanks, guys!) but missed mastery due to there only being two bonus conditions to balance out the customary loss of one action and two damage medals. So that's annoying. Probably won't bother with the rest of the events since I'd have to raise Rikku to a usable level, so soon after pouring Growth Eggs into Yuna so I could get no benefit at all, and then Josef for his RM.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 08, 2016, 03:37:13 PM
I would at least do the events without Rikku, since the first clear prizes are generally the highest-priority ones and Rikku requirements are mostly focused on the boss rush itself. Two out of three boss rush bosses also get owned by Intimidate, so you wouldn't even have much trouble.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 08, 2016, 06:14:54 PM
Mastered Ultimate Yunalesca.  Used Meeple's strategy of healing off Sap with Lenna.  Never saw Megadeath in many many S/Ls.  Fuck that fight, entirely too RNG-based.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 08, 2016, 09:53:02 PM
Also, oh boy, an FFVII event in a few weeks. Man it's been like a week since we last had one. Too long.

It is almost like they are trying to brew up as much FF7 nostalgia as possible for some reason.

I think doing it via an ATB nostalgia fest might not be the best idea in retrospect, but whatever it will help move copies, response be damned (even though that's a terrible way to sell episodic content loll)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 08, 2016, 10:57:39 PM
FF7 events are pretty much monthly.  I don't think this is an exaggeration either; last one we had was Cait Sith's in December and I think before that was Vincent in Novemeber, preceded by Cloud's BSSB in like October? 

That said, I think the real "facepalm" is that Auron is getting a Dress Record from FF10.  No no, let's not give it to Rikku, the character who has a significant design change that is worth noting, instead give it to the guy whose differences are basically "takes off sunglasses."  Heck, they could have gotten away with like Shuyin Tidus, or his Amano Alt where he's shirtless, but no, we gotta go with glasses-less Auron.

Oh well, we'll finally get Adult Rydia, right?  Not that it's a big deal just feels weird to play as only Child Rydia...

Which segues nicely into "fuck FF4 content."  Having multiple situations where you have to deal with bosses in full on dungeons is crap, and it's not like the randoms are trivial either.  Make matters worse, Edge has lengthy dialogs with both his parents and Rubicante, and of course we have to see the ENTIRE THING.  No, it's not as bad as Barret vs. Dyne, but that was an easy fight and you probably won't see that too many times.  Both Rubicante and Edge's Parents are high "screw you" S/L moments depending on how the random part goes.  Worst part is I did try to plan around Rubicante by getting Shield Grimoire up first only for FuSoYa to barely sneak out a Waterja first in the previous fight.

I am not at all upset that the next FF4 event we'll get is a long while away, since FF4 Content is regularly poorly handled (pretty much because it's based off FF4DS)

Oh well, the FF4 elites done, think I'll grind on Defender-Z in hopes for some G/MPOs, because it's a jokingly easy +++ fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 09, 2016, 09:44:20 PM
So apparently, the new mechanic DeNA is going to implement is having characters equip Cores or something along those lines to get their skillsets.

This suddenly opens up a wide range of character potential, and could end up being really cool...or just end up making things 5x worse.  Still, it's something that'll shake the game up considerably.  Any Mage getting access to Memento Mori, all fighters having access to Lifesiphon, Luneth who can Advantaliate on his own, Cyan being able to pretend he's useful with Drawtaliate access, etc.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 10, 2016, 12:23:59 AM
I decided to follow Meeple's planning and farmed Defender Z a bit myself.  Out of 7 wins, I got two GPOs and one MPO.  Doing the daily today, I got a MNEO.  Good day, I suppose?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 10, 2016, 04:25:43 AM
Got a few GNEO myself today, though what I need is one MNEO because for Full Break; MPO not as concerned about since a combination of Defender Z and 2 Dailies to work with...you get the idea.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 10, 2016, 08:17:46 AM
hahahahahahahahahahaha

wow i was worried that i was going to have too easy of a time with ultimate+ fights with my bssbs

unmitigated, Bahamut Chaos deals 7200 damage

loooooooooooool shit ok I got a project for the day

EDIT: OK not so bad unmitigated, just had to SL to make sure he never used Heavy Strike before mitigation went up. Also seems quite doable with a BSSBless party, especially right after an orbfest. The key would be to have two celerity characters always using Tempo Flurry and Dismissal. Letting him get turns is a mistake even with mitigation up. One of his spells deals something like 2500 damage after Wall, Shellga, and Breakdowns. It counts as magic, so it was trivial thanks to Shitbrat's BSSB, but yeah. I would be tempted to go back and do that fight BSSBless except meh 60 stamina and I still have the Ultimate+ fight to go.

EDIT2: I may be biased but the audio track they picked for the 13-2 event is possibly the worst song I've heard in an FF game. Yeah, even worse than Eyes On Me. Good job, Uematsu. Good fuckin job.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 10, 2016, 09:38:32 AM
Uematsu hasn't done a FF soundtrack since 10.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 10, 2016, 09:49:34 AM
That is not the important part of that edit
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 10, 2016, 09:54:10 AM
Quote from: Makkotah link=topic=6735.msg182031#msg182031 date=always
Eyes On Me. Good. Good fuckin
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 10, 2016, 10:18:17 AM
That is the important part of that edit
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 10, 2016, 07:03:48 PM
Sundaily. Capped Rikku and am currently working on P. Cecil, Sephiroth, Lenna, Strago and Wakka. Bonus battles landing on Sundaily mean I'm only bothering to work those out tomorrow, must maximize XP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 10, 2016, 07:21:58 PM
drive cars, fill bars.

content? what's that?

Anyway, I am giving up on the FF13-2 Ultimate+ fight mostly because it is over tomorrow and I stayed up too late grinding it out as it is. It's stupidly hard, and would be impossible without B/S/SBs, but that's just par for the course by now. Had I tried to do it sometime before tonight I'd probably sperg out on it and do a bunch of party planning and arithmetic in order to beat it, but meh. Waited too long and what's skipping one more Ultimate+ fight?

Good to know things won't be too easy for me, at least. I say that with only a little bit of sarcasm. That said, their answer to SB power creep was to make SG/SRS even MORE necessary so hey look at that. Good thing I have all those fucking Vincent Mantles.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 10, 2016, 07:31:28 PM
Yup yup.

Of course we're talking a set of bonus battles that includes Lunar Subterrane Boss Rush and Ultimate HA HA MY CLOAK IS INVINCIBLE so I'm not looking forward to it either.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 10, 2016, 09:19:35 PM
At least, on the Ultimate fight, you can take Rubi out of the cape state with Steal Power, unlike the other fights. A boss rush involving -both- Dark Bahamut and Ogopogo was the brainchild of a very cruel mind, however.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 10, 2016, 10:33:58 PM
Also, it just hit me: now that JP has a new FF14 event coming up, odds that Thyrus will make a comeback are pretty high. All yo Mythrils, yip yip.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 11, 2016, 02:12:27 AM
100 Gem pull on the new banner and I got...an FF7 Crystal Bangle.  That's...actually useful as a consolation prize, since I have a Crystal Bangle+, it gives me a 4++ equip for FF7 realms, which I honestly cannot complain about, so yeah, I'll take it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 11, 2016, 10:33:17 AM
Blech.  Y'know, I think I'm just gonna call Mastery on the boss rush a wash.  Even the first fight lost me a medal or two, and considering that Dark Bahamut guarantees one medal loss on damage and Ogopogo guarantees 2, I just do not care enough about a Major Dark to run the gauntlet again until I have perfect runs on each fight.  Why such a nasty rush has only "Don't Die" for extra conditions I don't get at all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 11, 2016, 10:48:10 AM
Conversely, I only lost one medal total on the boss rush (lol multiple fake 6* FF4 robes at hand and even a 5* hat to go with it). Killing Dark Bahamut before the second Megaflare and having Cecil Draw Fire bitches did help. Odin was impressively bad, he didn't live long enough to land Zantetsuken (he died pretty much after raising the sword). Geryon's status whoring was a bit of a pain in the ass, but I brought both Y'shtola and Yuna for a reason (having enough space for both Slowga and Esuna, mainly). And in the whole shuffle, Geryon forgot to -deal damage-, so once the Black Materia procced Sap, I was good to go. Only Ultimate Rubicante left.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 11, 2016, 12:18:59 PM
Snow: Yup. After I farm out enough gystahl greens to get that last MC2 lode before time runs out on it, Im shifting back into hardcore (EDIT: Mythril) farming mode. The FF13 event taught me that I still really, really, really, really, really want Thyrus.

Also. FF6 event's ultimate boss is the Dream Stooges. Is it weird to hold a grudge against video game characters for 18 years? I feel like it is weird to hold a grudge against video game characters for 18 years.

But fuck it, those motherfuckers are getting ground into paste.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 11, 2016, 12:30:05 PM
Snow: Yup. After I farm out enough gystahl greens to get that last MC2 lode before time runs out on it, Im shifting back into hardcore farming mode. The FF13 event taught me that I still really, really, really, really, really want Thyrus.

To make matters -better-, chances are roughly 100% that Y'shtola'll get her MC2 in that event, which really propels her worth regardless. With your Loserface BSSB in tandem with Stoneskin II, you'd have a near-unstoppable mitigation force.

Quote from: Zenny
Also. FF6 event's ultimate boss is the Dream Stooges. Is it weird to hold a grudge against video game characters for 18 years? I feel like it is weird to hold a grudge against video game characters for 18 years.

But fuck it, those motherfuckers are getting ground into paste.

Those are the moments we live for in Record Keeper.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 11, 2016, 12:37:13 PM
Those are the moments we live for in Record Keeper.

My favorite was autobattling through classic Archeoavis in the FF5 event.

9999
It revived!
9999
It revived!
9999
It revived!
9999
It revived!
9999

Fuck you Archeoavis!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 11, 2016, 01:41:11 PM
Snow: Yeeeeep. The FF14 event goan be gud.

Dream Stooges dunked on. Regular party, but swapped Aeris out for Mog for Sun Bath. Bartz's Eruption Strike (post-BSSB Fire/Earth attack) dealt 4500*4 damage to Laragorn. Break Fever stacked with Breakdowns and Tyro's BSSB attacks meant I didn't actually need Sentinel Grimoire for damage mitigation but it was nice seeing them deal 2 digit damage to me. Zero medals lost. Yeah, that was pretty satisfying.

Also, note to Shale: I was kinda wrong about Holy Lance. It's perfectly fine as a physical weapon in FF6 dungeons, you just need to put it on someone other than Mog.

Holding off on the Vargas fight because I have work to do.

Incidentally, got Celes' RM3, Firion's RM2, Fusoya and Devout's MC1s, and am well on my way to clearing out that list of Record Materia I wanted.

Similarly, Meteo is now at R3, Break Fever is R2, and I am 13 MPOs away from R3 Full Break (so I should have that sometime in February, assuming DeNA doesn't decide to be stingy with the MPOs in events). Thief's Raid and Saint's Cross can be upgraded, but I'll hold off until one of them is necessary. (Similarly, I can get the Dragoon and Darkness 5* skills to R2 but I have never used them... ever, so those are probably not getting upgraded anytime soon). In the meantime, I think I'll start putting my Major Black/Fire/Nons toward Flare, since R3 Bahamut isn't happening until... like, 2 orbfests from now (or longer!), and R4 Meteo... frankly won't be necessary unless the game shifts HARD back into Mage Meta and whatnot. I only ever use it for my Dungeon Diving teams and farming, so 6 charges is plenty.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 11, 2016, 01:53:05 PM
Ultimate Rubicante: WHAT THE FUCK

Yeah, running this without Hymn of the Fayth isn't worth the hassle. At some point, he dropped an Inferno that dealt 2k damage to everybody and I'm -certain- it was under mitigation and what the hell is this shit. Ran away, shuffled equips so Y'shtola runs offense, tucked Rinoa away for Yuna under full healing duty and HotF. Hopefully, Faith'd -gas hitting weakness with a Polymorph Rod will be enough to cover for Rinoa's damage. Timing the Steal Powers to keep Rubi away from his cape is also a pain in the ass and I hope people attempting this fight have it honed to R3.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 11, 2016, 02:40:15 PM
Ultimate Rubicante: WHAT THE FUCK

what the hell is this shit

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

welcome to my life bitch
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 11, 2016, 03:16:39 PM
These next two fights. Oh boy.

Did pull from the 2nd banner.

Got golbez' armor and dkc sword.

Yay?

Kain continues to weep in a corner. My collection of swords is iverflowing, but hey...got my first relic armor piece at least?

Edit: what does sap look like when it lands on an enemy?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 11, 2016, 03:35:57 PM
Welp, decided to do last-day pulls on the second Rikku banner because I still felt like getting that Magical Mog for my birthday. End result was: two Thief Blades, getting me my first 5++* weapon and a nigh-universal melee option with 115 Attack (y'see, one of the combines landed me a major augment) and Rikku's Guardian Targe. I suppose that's something, my first AoE attack buff. Still have 13 Mythril, but I digress.

EDIT: when hit by Sap, the enemy blinks black, just like it happens on the PC end.

EDIT 2: FUN FACT: Rikku's L20 Guardian Targe has better stats than a L30 Emerald Shield. Power creep? Whazzat?

EDIT 3: You know, Kain can equip swords and it doesn't hurt Dragoon skills' performance in any way. I mean, it doesn't scratch your favoritism itch as well, but he's certainly not embarrassing himself in FF4 dungeons with DKC's new sword...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 11, 2016, 04:15:47 PM
Oh that's right, they added in he can use swords now.

That help, but I would like him to have his own sb eventually. Dragoons are becoming a little more useful with the elemental jumps being added.

Kain is still going good to sit on the sidelines until I get his mc2.

In any case I'm now mithril hoarding for the ssb event and going to try have enough left for ramzas event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 11, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
FUCK YOU, MASTERED RUBICANTE. So, here's the deal: one of Rubi's plethora MT attacks (Blaze, I think) deals damage based on mHP. And, upon his low HP phase, its damage gets boosted to 50% mHP. So, more than ever, you need to keep everybody constantly topped off. If you can spare the RW slot, go for Hymn of the Fayth or Princess' Favor - if you have one of those native, even better. If you have a different AoE heal, it'll do, but if not, you'll probably want two healers or at the -very least- Kirin or Memento of Prayer to ease up on the pressure. Outside that, his damage mitigated ain't too bad, though he managed to pull 5k damage Infernos on Bartz pre-mitigation on one of my failed runs. But seriously, do not slack off on healing once he drops below 30% HP, those Blazes are -hellish-.

EDIT: Man, this is awful, but those Ultimate fights really made the game exciting again. I was frankly getting bored before they started rolling in and I was afraid even the premier battles wouldn't stand up to a full defensive trifecta. Sorta glad I was wrong, though now I wonder how frustrating it could be for the people who hadn't managed to snag those.

EDIT 2: A world where Rikku will be a relevant party member in my setups is going to be strange indeed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 11, 2016, 08:14:17 PM
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welcome to my life bitch life
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 11, 2016, 09:19:40 PM
Yay, I mastered Rubicant Ultimate as well.  Went in with Gilgamesh/Y'shtola/Terra/Bartz/Red XIII initially, gave it about 20 tries, and realized I didn't have enough healing to get through the opening salvo, as well as the protect/Drawtaliate being mostly useless since this Rubi almost never used physical attacks.

So, I decided to switch my party up a little.

Eiko L55 - Curaga R5/Shellga R2 - Lionheart - Emerald Light
Y'shtola L65 - Curaga R5/Diaga R3 - Mako Might - Stoneskin II
Terra L60 - Blizzaga R5/Waterja R4 - Devotion - Trance Flood - This one was my split-second decision fielder, since she came in to replace Rinoa entirely due to Trance Flood.  With that and Full Break, even Blizzaga was hitting for the damage cap.
Bartz L61 - Steal Power R4/Blizzaga Strike R3 - Self-Sacrifice - Blade Wing - I should've used Dragoon's Determination on him, I just forgot to move things around.
Edward L50 - Full Break R2/Requiem R4 - None - Fabled Song - Remember how I said that Protect was mostly useless?  The Heavy Regen from Fabled Song more than makes up for it.
RW: Lulu Focus

Okay, so this party still needed a few S/Ls to get off the ground due to bad RNG...  But it went a LOT more smoothly than my first idea, I can tell you that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 11, 2016, 09:37:46 PM
I used the Sunday EXP dungeons to get cloud up to L64, so by this time next week I should be farming for the Mako Might RM. Other than that, just grinding out Mythril and random orbs from filler dungeons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 11, 2016, 10:13:17 PM
Testing out HyperNulAl for random lulzies led to some really crazy results. +30% Attack is like ~60% more physical damage if under the soft cap and I could squeeze great results out of it by running just Squall and Lightning (who'll have my most damaging SBs once Lightning breaks cap this week). Tidus would be nice gravy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 11, 2016, 10:34:46 PM
Did an 11X pull on the first FF4 banner, hoping for Edge's katana, and came up with a third Black Garb (4++ armor is go!) and....the Turks Suit?! That's the first time I've ever gotten a non-boosted 5 star draw from one of these.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 11, 2016, 10:50:06 PM
At least it's another 5* armor, which you were badly hurting for. Padding out those gaps is nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 11, 2016, 11:12:21 PM
It's also Light Armor, which is one of the best types of armor in the game for overall defense.  This is also including the fact that in about two weeks we have another FF7 event, which will make it even more potent.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 11, 2016, 11:38:53 PM
Yeah, it's the go-to type for balanced defensive stats. Easy to outfit people with, too. The best armor type overall is a bracer, but those only started coming up in bulk recently. God knows I spent nearly four months without any.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 12, 2016, 04:51:28 AM
3 MPOs in 270 stamina today. That is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 12, 2016, 02:50:52 PM
Experted rubicante.

Fucker killed edge on his last turn.

Bah!

Gonna pump edge n dkc full of eggs and gonna master that bitch.

Rickity row
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 13, 2016, 01:18:26 AM
Fang's event lands tomorrow. They're really speeding up the pace on events in Global. Makes me wonder if they're trying to squeeze in Cloud's BSSB and FFT with the anniversary in March.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 13, 2016, 02:41:55 AM
That would be kinda infuriating if they did that AND had the SSBfest and Orbfest that they had in JP's anniversary conciding with the Scream/Yell banner. Stretch that mythril thin. But yeah, cash money dollah dollah bill yall.

Got Squall's RM2 (not his RM3, but it is an important milestone since now I don't have to do FF8 dungeons anymore to get it) and am working on Tidus' now, thus it's time to clear out my FFX Elites. Hope the RM procs before I get down to nothing but the 100+ stamina dungeons, having to do those would really cut into my mythril farming. Actually, I would probably just put Tidus on the backburner and get other RMs.

Incidentally, FuSoYa is a pretty solid PC. I was kinda worried he would be terrible with such a good RM, but he's doing perfectly fine in Elite dungeons at L50. So that's neat.

FF4 Airhiman Elite. I forgot Airhiman's gimmick was dooming you and then buffing constantly, so once again I brought a party that could JUUUUUUUST barely win, but only with perfect RNG. Ugggh. I also accidentally refreshed my stamina by misclicking the dungeon and not noticing this morning so that would make for a total of 200+ stamina (and thus 4 or so mythril... which may make the difference between having an extra 3 pull or not come the FF4 banner. Rmph) lost if I don't hunker down and do this. 

Anyway, long and short of it, an hour of S/Ling and I get basically the exact RNG I need, timers are down to 02, FuSoYa's Ruinga just has to hit and he's dead

3 pixels before Ruinga goes off

RESTORE.

ASDFO$%&$LDKT^*O)$OFA)DFASJDFFFFFFFFFFFFFfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

so mad at video games right now
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 13, 2016, 11:18:06 AM
Hey.  Hey, Zenny.

Zenny.

Maybe you should read a book (http://www.amazon.com.au/Pounded-The-Butt-Book-Own-ebook/dp/B00VDRUI5Q)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 13, 2016, 01:55:34 PM
Gave up

pounded in the book by my own butt

also ffs the boss description for him doesn't even mention the doom. Fuck you, game. That is some straight up bullshit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 13, 2016, 01:58:11 PM
fuck you dr. mog

Quote from: Dr. Mog
uwehehehehehehehe
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 13, 2016, 02:37:18 PM
#RoleplayingAwayShittyDesign

Alternately: Bluh bluh, huge moogle.

I went back with a Holy... .... uhh.... Whatever Garnet's RW is that is basically Scream but for Mages, and the exact same party only Selphie wasn't useless. Won first try. Fuck you, game. I spent the evening doing that instead of trying out the Vargas fight. Fuck bitches get money.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 13, 2016, 03:03:03 PM
Rubicant?

More like...

RubiCAN!

Owned.

Had 4 charges of steal power. Just enough to get the W.

This was basically a timing battle. Pretty easy if you don't hit his cloak.

Having sg, and Yunas healing sb helps.

Onto the next one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 13, 2016, 03:09:10 PM
This was basically ... Pretty easy ...

Having sg ...

#FFRK
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 13, 2016, 03:51:59 PM
Life is good over here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 13, 2016, 06:28:44 PM
Beat Rubicante.  I got really close at one point...for him to Pixel Rage Inferno between mitigation, screwing me over.  Saddest part?  Squall trumped a Steal Power by Vaan with Blizzara STrike, meaning he healed 1600 instead of taking 5100, which would have made the difference in that fight.  Ugh.

Winning run?  He was near dead, but insured to get one more action before my entire team goes off (he just got his cape taken down, so definitely wasn't going to happen), and I need him to NOT use Blaze, which will completely screw me over and...

*Blaze*

FFFFFFFFFFFF-...*Everyone lines* huh? Had more HP than I thought.  Then Terra shouts "Sorrowful Waters", does 9999 and I get a nice Champion ranking.  I feel like I shouldn't have won that run...but I aint arguing!  Makes up for the screw up on a previous run.


Spent all of yesterday with my FF4 party grinding Black Power Day.  Got a crap ton of Greater ORbs...but 90% of them were Black, when I need Power, bah.  Ah well, Greater Black Orbs are still handy.  Spent today doing some dungeon stuff, and since I already had an FF4 team, just went and focused on some FF4 Elites, which got me the GPOs I needed to get Steal Power R3 which is what I was aiming for.  I have gained 6 minutes more of idle time too!

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 14, 2016, 01:40:00 AM
Would someone mind doing me a quick favor?  I'd run the experiment myself, except I can't.

One of my co-workers needs a lot of help with Elites, so I figured that I'd set my RW to Angel Wing Bolt to help her get Hope's MC.  Would someone mind running the numbers and telling me if two shots of her is enough to kill the Event Elite Warmech, or if I still need to get CK to change his RW to Tidus's SSB later?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 14, 2016, 02:14:57 AM
I can test it with my own Angel Wing Bolt. Do you have Wyrmfang or Skycutter? I'll replicate it with my Wyrmfang.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 14, 2016, 02:20:05 AM
I've got it set up with a Skycutter+, the Witch's Hat, and Hope's Scarf.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 14, 2016, 02:24:51 AM
I think I can replicate something close enough with my Wyrmfang +. I'll give you a heads up in a few minutes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 14, 2016, 02:40:57 AM
Okay, 452 Magic Rinoa (L80, Wyrmfang+, otherwise same equips as yours) managed 9999x3 with Angel Wing Bolt against Elite Manasvin Warmech. It has 51.400 HP. Yeah, you're in the clear, it should be enough, since Skycutter at L20 has higher magic than Wyrmfang at L25.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 14, 2016, 03:19:47 AM
Awesome.  Thanks for the study.  I'll be sure to report that to my co-worker.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 14, 2016, 04:16:24 AM
The amount of Lightning shilling in an event ostensibly about Fang is kinda hilarous.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 14, 2016, 11:20:31 AM
Beat Ultimate Rubi today. Advantalite Master Race continues to rule the day. At this rate I'm making it my challenge to see how many Ultimates I can Champion with Advantaliate despite people continually warning that its utility will fade.

Admittedly, it is significantly HARDER to use Advantaliate now, but that actually makes it kinda fun to use it. Dammit Cloud, stop dying!

Since I went with a physical-heavy team, I used Balthier and Cloud's spellblades to hit Rubi's Ice and Water weaknesses. Balthier also conveniently has a Water-element SB AND access to Steal Power. Edge could have fulfilled a similar role with Water Veil and Steal Power, which I assume was the intent? But honestly that's wasting the boost from Steal Power, so Balthier with Blizzara Strike (and Tides of Fate) was just the perfect fit. (He's also 15 levels higher than my Edge...) Sorry Edge, you get left out of your own character-arc's final battle!

Also, keeping his damn cloak down was a pain, so I tossed Steal Defense on Tyro, and it allowed me to spam as-needed. Also helped Reta-Meta! Win-win. I think I love Thieves now. FFRK for best Thief class in the series? (Well, not including FFTA.)

Speaking of, how is Rikku working out for you, Snow? Since you're the only one who has her good relic, I'm curious if she's as good of an asset as Thief/Dancer/Celerity would imply?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 14, 2016, 01:07:40 PM
My rubi set up was

Edge haste
Yuna mako might
Dk Cecil dragoons determination
Golbez vov
Tyro Dr mogs

Rw planet protector

Edge starts off by planet protecting the gang then goes on a dismissal barrage

Yuna sets up she'll then her hotf sb

Golbez spams water n ice magic. Max damage, no mitigation. Ice rod.

Dk Cecil switches between magic n armor break and uses his sb which isn't too bad (2hits + a decent atk buff)

Tyro uses sg, then full break then spams blizzard strike when there's an opening.

Just time his hits and apply sg again whenever it's available and  I was in the clear.

Fun fight. Dunno about this ff13 one tho.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 14, 2016, 01:36:46 PM
Also mastered Rubicante.  Good fight, not RNG bullshit-based like Yunalesca.

Lenna (Curaja, Curaga) Mako Might
Terra (Magic Breakdown, Blizzaga)
Golbez (Blizzaja, Waterja)
Bartz (Steal Power, Blizzara Strike)
Cecil (Magic Break, Shellga)
RW Sentinel Grimoire
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 14, 2016, 01:38:09 PM
Scar: No Steal Power/Defense for Rubi?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 14, 2016, 03:23:51 PM
Oh edge used steal power whenever the cloak was up. That was his other ability. 4 charges.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 14, 2016, 05:32:16 PM
So new event in Japan coming out is the FF10 event.  It's got the most pointless dress record ever, being Auron with a pony-tail and no sunglasses...

...and releases Braska as a new character, and a re-release of Jecht.  Ok, I guess that puts the Auron's new outfit into perspective, still kind of pointless!

Still an odd choice; it's expected he's another Black 5/Summon 5 character, given his Soul Break is reminscent of Edea and Palom, and Summoner...well, that goes without saying...

...which if true, HEY LOOK! ANOTHER BLACK 5 CHARACTER!  Totally don't have enough of those.  But hey, this one has Summon 5, it's not like there aren't any of-...

*eyes Rydia, Krile, Terra, Rinoa, Ashe and Hope*

...nevermind...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 14, 2016, 05:32:48 PM
Quote from: DJ
Speaking of, how is Rikku working out for you, Snow? Since you're the only one who has her good relic, I'm curious if she's as good of an asset as Thief/Dancer/Celerity would imply?

I still haven't played with her seriously enough to find out. The problem with running a non-stacking attack buff on a Thief is that it doesn't synergize particularly well with Steal Power, though the Res buff is neat in a vaccuum. I'm hoping to get some mileage out of it on Ultimate Beatrix, though (against Godo, I'll have to fit in Yuffie first).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 14, 2016, 10:34:13 PM
In idle news, reddit since yesterday:

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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 15, 2016, 12:19:27 AM
In idle news, reddit since forever

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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 15, 2016, 03:19:25 AM
I upvoted you Grefter.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 15, 2016, 03:58:48 AM
This FF12 Demon Wall (https://youtu.be/ffoNCDtDjaI?t=14m8s) fight is the kind of experience I want to see from a Core-only challenge.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 15, 2016, 04:29:13 AM
Grefter: False. That Hitler is not harassing women while beating off to pictures of minors, so it therefore cannot be reddit.jpg.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 15, 2016, 07:22:21 AM
This FF10 event may be the worst for sprite art in the history of the game. Braska and Young Auron are fucking hideous.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on January 15, 2016, 06:05:49 PM
On the plus side it looks like you get some new 3* equipment which is okay I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 15, 2016, 08:49:45 PM
Nine Greaters on five runs today. Life's good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 16, 2016, 12:52:51 AM
In a half a day, I got about 5 Greater Orbs, which is nice and alle xcept I just need ONE MAJOR POWER ORB to hone Fullbreak to R2 :(

Currently working on clearing out some Elites because the classic dungeons are FF12, and I figure I might as well wait until I get some Memory Crystals from Penelo's event to get EXP again...yes, this is a silly reason, but I'm still doing something resembling progress at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 16, 2016, 02:32:36 PM
On the plus side it looks like you get some new 3* equipment which is okay I guess.

Eh. One, I sell all my 3*s now. A 3++ weapon with realm synergy is basically equivalent to a 5* character relic without at this phase of the game. #powercreep, etc.  Better than a generic natural 5* without synergy, though!

Two, as briefly discussed a couple pages back, new 3* weapons aren't necessarily a good thing. That just makes the pool of possible 3* weapons larger, and thus the chances of getting copies you can forge together get lower.

Anyway... Y'all may wanna make sure Auron is at 65+ and Jecht is at L64 (but not 65) by the time the Braska event comes up. The challenge events require using Jecht Solo for a dungeon (75 difficulty) and using Auron/Braska/Jecht as a trio for a 90 difficulty dungeon. The Trio fight is actually pretty easy and gets wrecked by Come At Me Bro with a Shitbrat BSSB RW (or something else that soaks up a single magic attack, so Megaflare gets completely neutered. Shitbrat's BSSB will probably be more common around that point, and if Auron uses it he gets the stat boosts from Burst mode).  Jecht's however was really dumb because he has no way of healing himself. You'll basically need to manipulate his EXP so he levels up immediately before the boss battle (or blow a mythril to revive... which is what I ended up having to do), and even then the only way to outdamage the boss that I could see was either Bartz or Squall's BSSB for your RW so you can hit its fire weakness.

Gonna spend my timebux then try out Ultimate+ Vargas. The Ipoohs are weak to Fire, everything is weak to poison, so I'm thinking:

Ramza (Full Break, Power Breakdown)
Zack (Bio Strike, Indoor Spell), Mako Might
Bartz (Biora Strike, Indoor Spell)
Shitbrat (Flaming Weeaboo, R4Curaja), Ability use->SB gauge up RM, Holy Lance
Mog (Break Fever, R5 Curaja), Dr. Mog's Teachings

Holy Lance is on Shitbrat to give Flaming Weeaboo some kick AND let him effectively use Curaja in the second phase of the fight. Having Both Break Fever AND Fullbreak so I can basically keep all enemies Fullbroken at all times. Unsure on putting Mako Might on Zack instead of Shitbrat, though. Not having Protectga up during the first phase of the fight seems like a bad idea, but having Hastega up from the start should compensate. We'll see!

EDIT: Oh yeah, I realized I could take a couple of the garbage 5* abilities I'm never going to use (lol bloody cross) and get MPOs for them. So, R3 Full Break happened. Yay.

EDIT2: Vargas

http://i.imgur.com/sMN59aK.jpg

Ended up switching Mako Might onto Shitbrat and putting Ramza's RM2 on Zack, worked fine. Couple improvements, probably actually would have put Arise on Shitbrat (two runs got killed due to Bartz getting offed due to bad luck), F.Weeb was actually pretty inconsequential to killing the Ipoohs. Getting Bartz into BSSB mode was way more important. For Vargas, having all three of Full Break, Power Breakdown, and Shitbrat's Power/Mag Down Burst mode attack was hilarious and made me not really need SG... until his last phase where he just absolutely lost his shit. Still a hard fight, but never felt absolutely impossible.

I think this would be doable without a BSSB and probably without a native wall, if you have two spellbladers with Firaga/Biora Strike and enough breakdowns to be obnoxious. Getting Break Fever to R2 was pretty integral, actually.

But, really...

EDIT: tl;dr

(https://media.giphy.com/media/9tfNjaoyJv7Gw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 16, 2016, 03:52:05 PM
Jecht's however was really dumb because he has no way of healing himself. You'll basically need to manipulate his EXP so he levels up immediately before the boss battle (or blow a mythril to revive... which is what I ended up having to do)

Jecht is a Monk.  The 3-star ability Chakra heals you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 16, 2016, 04:43:45 PM
Jecht's however was really dumb because he has no way of healing himself. You'll basically need to manipulate his EXP so he levels up immediately before the boss battle (or blow a mythril to revive... which is what I ended up having to do)

Jecht is a Monk.  The 3-star ability Chakra heals you.

...

oh

well that's one mythril wasted when i could have taken from my supply of 300+ whatever orbs

In any case nevermind that's super easy. Put Chakra and Kick on and then win.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 16, 2016, 05:23:34 PM
Chakra boosts Attack to boot, so Jecht's challenge is really super simple.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 16, 2016, 08:56:06 PM
So been clearing out FF2 elites instead of FF1 ones when Tiamat decided to be an ass and oh I beat him fine but she's still an ass.

This is reminding me how annoying earlier realms were.  FF1/2 both ahve this problem of hurling like 4-5 enemies at you at not-uncommon intervals and they're just tedious since the enemies aren't threatening.  FF1 was most annoying with 5 Death Knights because lolblind and now you waste time whiffing. 

On the plus side, doing those elites got me the one Major Power Orb I need so I now have R2 Full Break.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 16, 2016, 10:40:42 PM
I'm so glad I finished FF2 dungeons like four months ago.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 17, 2016, 01:42:25 AM
Those dungeons are what Ruinga/Meteo/Yukikaze are for. Obnoxious without them, for sure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 17, 2016, 01:55:58 AM
Quote
[19:49] <MagicFanatic> So, while I was at work, I decided to try to do an 11-draw on Lightning's SSB banner, because I really need an FF13 fighter weapon to stick on Fang.  Get one 5*!  Okay, let's see what it is.  Hoping a weapon, hoping a weapon...  Tungsten Bracer.  I can't tell whether RK is trolling me or giving me something I need.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 17, 2016, 03:09:27 AM
Finally got around to Elite Lunasaurs today and holy shit that fight is stupid.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 17, 2016, 03:44:16 AM
Okay, so Fang's Lightning's event EX dungeons are out, but more importantly Lifesiphon/INDOORSPELL! Crafted one and roflstomped the boss rush for a second one. The boss rush -could- have been difficult to get mastery on, but literally all of the special clear requirements are simply "Keep Lightning Alive", so even when Brunhildr busted out MT 2HKO damage before I could move, I -still- mastered that fight. Idly, yes, Brunhildr is the only part of that fight worth worrying about.

The Warmech is pretty simple too. That thunder weakness means that even Thundaga is ramming the damage cap. Could probably stomp it just using a SG RW and bringing four of mages with Thundaga or spellblade with Thundara strike and a healer for shell/protectga and Renewing Cure.

Lightning's MC2 GET! Her RM is called... Thunderstroke? Sounds... suggestive. I like it! What the hell does it do? "Attack no longer has delay after use?"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 17, 2016, 03:51:34 AM
SG is kinda useless for the ++ fight, since the only dangerous attack is gravity. Hymn/Favor would be best there, for AoE heal+high regen.

Lightning's RM2 makes the basic attack command's charge time zero, similar to using defend.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 17, 2016, 03:53:48 AM
...that's awesome for autobattling through dailies. Gimme :3
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 17, 2016, 04:03:15 AM
Done with Fang's event Lightning's second show. Dear god, Ultimate Barthandelus was annoying as hell even with native Wall Advantaliate because using jumps for hitting weakness is just so damn awkward and his dispel counters fucking suck. I just wanted to run ten million mages to drop Pauldron and Ailette in three full turns instead of watching them drop MT -gas on my party. On the other hand, once Barthandelus was up, Advantaliate tore him apart. Go figure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 17, 2016, 04:10:26 AM
Holy shit I just got the miracle RNG run on my very first Brynhildr attempt. 4/5 PCs had near maxed ATB at the start, Brynhildr still gets the jump on me and Slashes for unmitigated AoE damage... then Lightning's Dismissal procs stun immediately. By the time she gets another turn SS2 RW, Steal Power, and Princess's Favor have all gone off, and the fight's basically won.

Also I am never mentioning this on reddit to avoid a shitton of salt.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 17, 2016, 04:18:10 AM
I don't really get the salt over Brynhildr, she got the drop on me and didn't even manage to kill Loserface. But then, Pyroshot just isn't very good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 17, 2016, 05:09:50 AM
I don't really why everyone is so terrible at this game.

lrn2getgud
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 17, 2016, 08:34:29 AM
Let me rage a bit about how Barthandalus can Dispel Sentinel's Grimoire.... ARGH!

Well, I'm not sure if he can Dispel it normally, I think he only uses it as a counter?

Alright then, that means once I put up SG, I will never again attack him directly. Advantaliate it is!

So I went in with Tyro with Lifesiphon, and had him use my last charge of it to provoke Bart's Counter Dispel on his first turn after the Pauldrons were down... AND THEN I cast SG. Once SG + Shellga was up, Bart's offense was laughable and everyone else just double-smacked my Retaliator endlessly to avoid any more unpleasant Dispels.

Only one S/L. In which I performed these actions in the opposite order. Tyro put up SG and then smacked him Lifesiphon, instantly provoking the Counter Dispel, leaving me vulnerable, and then the asshole quadra-cast Ruin on a single character, overkilling them four times over. Rude, sir. Disrespectful.

I now have enough Greater Orbs for R4 Valefor, I'm wondering if I should bother?
I also have enough MPOs to make any 5* physical ability there is. Part of me wants Quick Hit because I love Celerity characters. Part of me wants Mug Time to clear it off my Quest list. Part of me knows I should save it for R2 Full Break or R2 Barrage since I actually -use- those. Entrust is also a decent option now that Lifesiphon is here. Endless SSB spam with two Lifesiphons feeding the same super-buffed PC.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 17, 2016, 12:41:00 PM
Entrust is dumb, Barrage is dumb, everything you said except get R2 Full Break is dumb. Get R2 full break.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 17, 2016, 03:18:02 PM
Barthandelus down. Team looked like this:

Cloud - Blizzara Strike, Retaliate, +Knife damage RM (he had Keepsake Knife equipped)
Lightning - Tempo Flurry, Thundara Strike, Self Sacrifice
Fang - Tempo Flurry, Thunder Jump, Attunement II
Y'shtola - Haste, Protectga, Mako Might (SS2)
Lenna - Curaga, Shellga, Dr Mog's Teachings (Princess's Favor)

RW Advance

Notable RS gear was a Keepsake Knife on the Retaliate, the freebie gun on Lightning, and various bangles on the three fighters. Fang carried my max augmented Brave Blade++ since I didn't have a good RS weapon for her, the healers had Regal Gowns and Giant's Rings for durability.

It took me six tries to get the timing of when to use SS2 right. Do it too soon, and it'll fall off right when the Pauldrons are getting nasty; do it too late, and risk getting offed by focused fire. Barthandelus himself was much less threatening with SS2 + Protectga + Shellga + AoE heal on my side; the first time I got to him, I won.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 18, 2016, 12:02:10 AM
Haven't done the bonus fights yet because it's Sunday, EXP Day, and last night I was at parents place and didn't feel like stressing out over bonus content there, so did more dungeons.

I did a 100 Gem pull on the banner though! ...and got a 3* Piece of crap.  Glad to know that $1 went to a good cause!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 18, 2016, 11:49:30 AM
Mondaily, AKA the day when all I do is farming Ultima Weapon. At least I get to level Lightning.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 18, 2016, 01:03:30 PM
Got Cloud to level 65 after two runs through the EXP dungeons, and then on my last one before turning in for the night...

(http://i.imgur.com/SDTB44l.jpg)

Success! Time to wreck stuff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 18, 2016, 01:17:04 PM
Paving your way towards the big leagues.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 18, 2016, 03:17:05 PM
I have wasted somewhere upwards of 500 stamina in the past week, usually through trying to use a team of characters whose RMs I'm farming to deal with elite dungeons. A good portion of them are because the boss had gimmicks Mog didn't tell me about and I myself had forgotten about from when I did the classic dungeons. This has almost certainly cost me an extra 11 pull on the FF14 banners coming up. Not terribly pleased, but at the same time this is helping me care less about wasting Timebux so that's probably a good thing.

On another note, FF13 Snow is a really interesting character (despite coming from the realm I care least about). Monk and Knight synergize really well, particularly when you don't have a MT ATK boost Soul Break. Though, that said, that's really more Knight than Monk. Knights are just so good, no matter what secondary skillset they have. I've been pretty happy with using Steiner, Beatrix, and Snow while farming their RMs. It's not quite White 4/Support 5/Black 5 Godtier but it's certainly up there with Combat 4, Celerity 4, Samurai 4, Spellblade 5, and Thief 5. Saint's Cross is a legit 5* ability, and both Armor Strike and Banish Raid are Super Neat (tm) (the former mostly with my 7* Diamond Armor, anyway).

EDIT: Congrats, Shale. Get your Mog and a decent Physical party up to par and welcome to the Endgame.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 18, 2016, 03:51:09 PM
Speaking of which, I took Rikku with HyperNulAl for a stroll on the ++ and +++ fights in the FFXIII event and yeah, she's definitely legit. HyperNulAl is super neat with its sizable Attack buff and Shellga-stackable Res buff. Made Lightning's Blaze Rush really sting, for starters, and she can actually cover some weirdly hilarious utility roles (for instance, I used the Bard Etudes to cover for extra mitigation on both Cid Raines and Manasvin Warmech! For all the good it does against Warmech, it was very much legit against Raines). Too bad she doesn't have Combat, but Dismissal/Tempo Flurry spam are acceptable.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 18, 2016, 06:26:23 PM
Can't...  Beat...  Bart.

Decided to egg up Tyro from 70 to 80 and replace Gilgamesh with him.  Evil Pumpkin is better that the Power Fist++ by 1 ATK, but I'm still losing out on 24 ATK this way.

Would Full Break make up the difference in damage for that lost ATK value?  Or should I attempt Tyro just going for a Steal Power Advantaliator?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 18, 2016, 06:45:25 PM
Advantaliate is likely the most -elegant- solution to Ultimate Barthandelus, which is kinda gross, but the forced party composition makes delta-attack mage shenanigans very awkward. One thing worth noting (which only really dawned on me as I finally mastered the fight) is that running a Support for breakdowns actually isn't a very good idea, since any non-NAT damage attack can trigger the Dispel counters and their rate is -dangerously- high for such a long-lasting fight. If you want to break him, Heroic Harmony may actually be a better idea if you can run such a RW. Steal Power isn't all that useful against Bart outside the Atk boost, since his only physical attack is Thanatosian Smile and it's actually not particularly nasty even with less comprehensive mitigation.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 18, 2016, 06:48:36 PM
Hmmm.

No ff13 sword...

Dunno if I can use advantilate method for success.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 18, 2016, 06:57:28 PM
With Advantaliate, you don't really need a synergy sword due to the boost easily pumping you over the soft cap as long as you can muster over 211 Attack. That's utterly trivial to achieve.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 18, 2016, 07:41:50 PM
Oh thank god.

I mastered Bart with my Tyro/Y'shtola/Eiko/Lightning/Fang team.

Thwapped Bart twice with Full Break to help on damage mitigation, had SS2 shortly in line just in case he threw out his Dispel, and...  He didn't.  Still had to S/L a bunch to get win, but at least I never have to bother with it again.

Stupid crazy insane fight making me spend 180 Stamina on team revisions...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 19, 2016, 01:26:33 AM
Yuffie has a new Soul Break coming out called Clear Tranquil.  Now I am extra sad that CT stopped playing.  (first sad is that she missed Vanille MC)

DeNA needs to slow the fuck down with these events.  I don't want to play the game this often.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 19, 2016, 01:46:21 AM
I think they're only slowing down with events when they get to Cloud's BSSB - I'm certain they're trying to line up the BSSB with the anniversary celebration, and if they keep the current pace of an event every six days, they'll start March with Cloudy Wolf. THIS SAID, dungeon updates are slated to slow down to a crawl after DU18 (the next), going back to the once a month schedule they used to have in the early game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 19, 2016, 08:42:05 AM
JP's getting a new Chamber of the Abyss tomorrow, and it's Support-themed this time. Another shot at Platina Sword and Sentinel's Grimoire for Zenny, I suppose (and a bunch of other high-end utility, I guess. Support centralizes a lot of high-tier buffs, like Boon, Lunatic High and those stacked debuffs).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 19, 2016, 01:08:25 PM
I am now way more pissed about that wasted stamina last weekend.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 19, 2016, 01:23:41 PM
Hey, at least it's only 25 Mythril for those draws!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 19, 2016, 01:41:03 PM
Yeah, but with the FF14 event next week, that (edit) wasted Stamina (/edit) is still the difference between 175 total mythril to spend and 150 and some change (becoming. At least.. 125+15 and maybe +15 more if I don't fuck up more).

Oh well. Just a game right? Right??…
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 19, 2016, 01:52:09 PM
Three pulls at least are usually enough for you to get -something- hopefully. And you get rolling gacha, for all the theoretical good it does.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 19, 2016, 02:02:10 PM
Something and the thing I want are only ever the same thing on throwaway pulls on Zack banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 19, 2016, 03:01:46 PM
Something and the thing I want are only ever the same thing on throwaway pulls on Zack banners.

FFRK.exe
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on January 19, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
things i learned about the Lightning event

1. Lightning won't save me but I'll keep my 5* streak alive


(http://i.imgur.com/bUmBpv7l.png) (http://i.imgur.com/UgQiAtll.png)


2. I can now use the easiest strategy in the game


(http://i.imgur.com/A2pkUy0l.png) (http://i.imgur.com/i2HGgWTl.png)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 19, 2016, 04:23:21 PM
For future reference, is there anything that uses Major Black Orbs aside from Flare and Meteor?  I'm told those two spells aren't really special, so I'd like to know if I still have to save these Majors.

EDIT: granted, I think I have enough orbs for R2 of one of these, if need be.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 19, 2016, 04:53:43 PM
Major Black Orbs should eventually be used for Tornado Strike, IIRC. No idea on anything else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 19, 2016, 05:19:16 PM
Can't look it up right now but Dark Zone almost certainly uses MBOs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 19, 2016, 11:17:38 PM
Snow Senpaiiii do you like my new hair cut and dye job???? Plz love me because dena don't:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
 (http://youtu.be/JT2SsWOCoEw)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 20, 2016, 12:37:07 AM
[ Plz love me:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

Zenny.bat
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 20, 2016, 01:21:39 AM
Beat Bartandelus with Advantaliate nonsense because that fight is stupid and I refuse to acknowledge it in any legitimacy, so I will even use strategies I abhor.  not going into details, just screw him.

100 Gem pull on Yuffie's Banner gets me...garbage! YAY!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 20, 2016, 01:50:33 AM
100 gem pull on the first FF7 banner: Shark! It's no SSB weapon (c'mon gaaaaaaame give me just one katana), but a 5 star dagger with FF7 synergy and a Stop/damage SB sounds pretty handy!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 20, 2016, 03:48:36 AM
Lol. They want me to beat the U+ boss with a party with Yuna, Auron, Tidus, and two other FFX characters.

Nah. Maybe if just one of them had a unique SB, but as it stands? Nah mate. Keep your Major Fire Orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 20, 2016, 06:48:41 AM
Japanese Support Lucky Draw. I got fucking Tyro's BSSB. I am happy but also annoyed at how much RK keeps making me use Tyro.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 20, 2016, 10:37:52 AM
...

Valiant. Got fuckin Valiant.

I guess it's a true 5* Gun, which I was lacking.

Considering I remember when this came out in Global, I am not particularly impressed with this use of 25 mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 20, 2016, 11:05:06 AM
Valiant. Got fuckin Valiant.

My condolences.

Currently doing Yuffie's event and gonna gun for the event quests straight away in order to avoid wasting stamina. Good thing I have a fake 6* FF7 katana and a bunch of 5* bracers for the realm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 20, 2016, 11:40:13 AM
Valiant. Got fuckin Valiant.

My condescenses.

Currently doing Yuffie's event and gonna gun for the event quests straight away in order to get fucking good scrub. Good thing I have a fake 6* FF7 katana and a bunch of 5* bracers for the realm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 20, 2016, 11:49:13 AM
That was on purpose, yes. :thejoke:
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 20, 2016, 08:34:30 PM
Shots fired
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 20, 2016, 11:42:43 PM
Done with Yuffie's event main course, including event quests. Thank you for not time-gating them this time around, DeNa.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 21, 2016, 02:31:40 AM
Hmm, level 50 Yuffie isn't durable enough to get through all of pagoda 2 without serious potion luck.  I don't want to craft steal life, so I'll skip ahead and cap break her so I can equip Pecil's RM3 (which is excellent btw, haven't seen anyone talk about it).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 21, 2016, 02:40:17 AM
If you have a mage thrown weapon, you can alternatively use Drain, since Yuffie has BM 3. Steal HP is a 2* ability, though, no reason to not craft if you have the orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 21, 2016, 05:53:02 AM
It's a waste of an ability inventory spot, that's a perfect reason not to craft it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 21, 2016, 08:09:21 AM
If I may ask, what is so awesome about Pecil's RM3?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 21, 2016, 09:22:33 AM
Guys, take a look at the upgrade/crafting section.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 21, 2016, 09:27:36 AM
Fuck yes, Orb conversation FINALLY!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 21, 2016, 10:05:00 AM
Also, all banners up to Garnet's MC2 translated (no Secret of Mana nor Warrior of Light event)! I wonder where will they fit in the anniversary celebration, then.

Regardless, with orb conversion, I already spent 12 million gil converting and honing crap. R4 Lifesiphon, R4 Valefor and Maduin, R4 Bioga and plenty of leftovers for when Armor Strike and Banish Raid sweep in.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 21, 2016, 10:37:32 AM
Kind of annoyed at the lack of Warrior of Light's event. That wasn't even a collab IIRC?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 21, 2016, 10:40:38 AM
Valiant isn't even stronger than Occhu's Tentacle so not even Shitbrat benefits from that.

Also yall got Orb Conversion early. Nice.

And, no, WoL wasn't a collab. No idea why they're skipping that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 21, 2016, 10:41:36 AM
It was tied directly to the anniversary. Note how none of the anniversary banners themselves are up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 21, 2016, 10:59:50 AM
Dena missed our anniversary :(

IDC orbs go in my mouth, get gud comes out.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 21, 2016, 11:06:45 AM
That does in no way resemble or mock what I said, but I still find it hilarious so carry on.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 21, 2016, 01:19:44 PM
If I may ask, what is so awesome about Pecil's RM3?

Heals you when you get hit.  Not on every hit, but fairly frequent.  I stick it on Lenna and she heals 900+ when she's attacked.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 21, 2016, 04:18:27 PM
I've got a day and a half left to clear the FFXIII boss rush and MC2 fight...worth trying? Because they both look like total bullshit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 21, 2016, 04:27:41 PM
Yes, Lightning is a very solid PC. The ++ fight is pretty easy and Drawtaliate solves 3/4s of the boss rush.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 21, 2016, 05:04:42 PM
Destroyed 17 abilities.  Crushed many 1-3 star orbs.  I'm still hurting for greater power and black orbs, but in good shape on everything else.  Didn't go crazy on honing, since everything I want uses power orbs.  Made Curaja r4 and Indoor Spell r3, which I think is enough?  I get a SB with Steal Power and Indoor Spell x2, don't ever need more than 3 SBs to finish a fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 21, 2016, 05:08:15 PM
Yes, Lightning is a very solid PC. The ++ fight is pretty easy and Drawtaliate solves 3/4s of the boss rush.

Annoyingly with the 60-second time limit on each fight (bullllllllllllshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttt) I think it's going to take Advance on top of Drawtaliate given that I have roughly zero FF13 synergy. Odin doesn't go down fast enough when I bring mitigation, even if I get lucky and he spams Flourish of Steel. So that'll make the later fights with nastier offense fun, and force me to use more mythril restoring RW casts. Hooray.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 21, 2016, 05:29:34 PM
They're pretty much blitz fights, at least. Low HP on all Eidolons, though you -will- have to bring Shellga and some form of magic-breaking. The big hurdle if you're worried about that is Brynhildr having a lot of offense (considerably more than any other Eidolon).

EDIT: You have Lightning's MC, though. The Hall of Rites will become a permanent feature soon, so you could just reclaim her MC2 from there when it's first available. So, it's more a matter of how much you're willing to go through for a free Lifesiphon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 21, 2016, 06:19:32 PM
I've been meaning to ask about that. How permanent is permanent? Is it still just four blank MC2s and then you're done forever, or does it refresh from time to time?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 21, 2016, 06:31:40 PM
If I understand it correctly, basically about once or twice a month the Hall of Rituals itself will add a mini dungeon (along the same lines as one of the four dungeons in the Vale) that drops them, in addition to regular Events usually dropping some.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 21, 2016, 06:42:46 PM
In the middle of doing Yuffie's Event Quests; 3 out of 5 done!

Orb Conversion and Ability Shatter = YES!!!

Also Not!FF1 event information dropped in Japan, and it will include Garland and Princess Sarah on top of the Mobius characters.  Also Eco gets a Haste + Def/Res Up SSB, which apparently stacks with SG/SS2.  Let's hope the boost isn't anywhere near as big as those two.

And FF14's new characters next week going to be Yda and Papalymo...I am ok with this, also means we avoided Minfillia again.  No, it's NOT funny if she's going to be used.  FF14 has a lot of interesting characters who can actually fight, Minfillia's inability to fight in FF14 is a running gag in the game itself, and her fighting would actually be kind of insulting when they could use...just about anyone else...and even as a JOKE CHARACTER, it's not that funny, since FF14 has EVEN BETTER joke characters in, oh I dunno...the Mandervilles! ...granted, Godbert might be too OP for the game <_< >_>

Apologies, but just the idea keeps getting tossed around and it's kind of annoying since instead of looking at the actual combat savvy Scions that would make interesting characters, random fans insist on the non-combatant leader that the game goes out of it's way to make clear "she has no combat capabilities whatsoever."  Yes, Princess Sarah is getting in but she's also from a game that is kind of starving for options...and thre's Theatrhythm.  Yes, Braska too, but "he's a Summoner" so there's something to work with there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 21, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
I've been meaning to ask about that. How permanent is permanent? Is it still just four blank MC2s and then you're done forever, or does it refresh from time to time?

You'll be able to obtain character souls, MC and MC2 lodes from events and login bonuses, which you can use at any time to reclaim characters. Their character draw will refresh from time to time, but no character will be made unavailable from it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 21, 2016, 09:01:37 PM
I'm going for it. Two fights down, 1 mythril spent so far. AOE Blizzara from the twins right before I landed my last hit just to make the Brynhldr fight extra fun.

On a much better note: Genji Helm (FFV) from my daily relic pull! I was going to save mythril, but now I'm thinking maybe I should do an 11-pull before the RNG remembers what it's supposed to be doing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 21, 2016, 09:32:01 PM
Mmmmm, depends on your needs. This FFVII banner has a SSB, but FF9's Beatrix event next week will have some nice returning relics, like Eiko's Golem Flute, and introduce stuff like Bea's Save the Queen (a sword with both Atk and Mind! For a PC with White Magic 5!) and Garnet's Asura Rod (first damage + AoE Mag boost SB), while two weeks down the line we have Terra's SSB. From now on, the general banner quality will only improve. Though Yuffie's Clear Tranquil makes an amazing AoE heal, but you already have Princess' Favor.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 21, 2016, 09:35:44 PM
Yeah, my white magic needs are more or less met at this point between Mog and Lenna. I'd go for Lightning's SSB, but Terra's would be just as good (premier fighter-mage vs. back-row Spellblade specialist...push, more or less).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on January 21, 2016, 10:06:57 PM
Shale, you may find some success in soloing the Boss Rush with Tyro using Retaliate. If you can get Break Strike for Lightning, then she can petrify herself and Tyro (or Greg I guess) can just solo the rest of them since they'll only have one person to attack.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 21, 2016, 11:05:23 PM
I managed to beat the first two without any real Retaliate abuse but Brynhildr is just absurd. I used my first Mythril for that fight after a bunch of S/L abuse when she wiped me out with back-to-back Slashes so quickly that I couldn't kill the app after the first one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 21, 2016, 11:32:54 PM
This brings me back memories from when I first fought her in Lightning's debut event. She had roughly triple the HP too. So yeah, she's apparently still an ass.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 21, 2016, 11:58:17 PM
If the booty's phat
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 22, 2016, 12:18:23 AM
Every. Single. Time. I think of Brynhildr, this comes to mind:

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/39073b10538703c415975e7fcd158cf7/tumblr_mm9exnVGxi1qm8z22o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 22, 2016, 12:21:02 AM
Yeah, the hall of crystals is permanent permanent, and you'll build up quite a nice horde from logging in, completing lower level Abyss fights (which become temporarily unavailable during the leadup to releasing a new 6* ability, but never permanently unavailable. When the Abyss is open for business you can do all available events) and completing events. Since it reopened I got every MC2 lode I could possibly acquire, and have enough that I can get MC2s for all but 6 characters now.

I'd still try for the MC2 now because Lightning is apparently pretty good, but you won't permanently lose her MC2 so it's not a huge deal.

A couple other caveats are that a number of characters get their MC2 released only through the Hall of Rites, so the more unique MC2s you have, the more blank MC2 lodes you'll have for those characters. Additionally, after a unique MC2 is released, there seems to be a 2-3 month turnaround time for them being available in the Hall of Rites. Notably, Ramza's and Agrias's weren't available there until late December, and we had that event in late September/early October.

EDIT: So, sick of losin Stamina, I started taking my A team into 110+ difficulty dungeons, swapping out WaifuRamza (;_;) for characters whose RMs I am trying to grind out. Really underscores how ridiculous BSSBs are. Weakness hitting Storm Strike dealt more damage than the 5* charge ability we just got for free in JP. Ridic.

I now also have cleared out every FF8, FF1, FF2, FF11 and FF14 realm, and have every MC1. Completionism go.

Autoreflect is the worst RM ever and I have to wear it until Red 13's RM2 drops. This is pretty obnoxious.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 22, 2016, 12:34:37 AM
Autoreflect is the worst RM ever and I have to wear it until Red 13's RM2 drops. This is pretty obnoxious.

Um, you don't have to run -any- RM in order to unlock further RMs. I unequipped Red's RM1 as soon as I got it and got his RM2 in less than a day's worth of stamina.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 22, 2016, 12:41:10 AM
Autoreflect is the worst RM ever and I have to wear it until Red 13's RM2 drops. This is pretty obnoxious.

I hesitate to call an Auto-Reflect RM the worst ever when we have stuff like Heart of the Dragoon, Blessing of Alexandria/Father's Pride, Blitz-Eye...  Yeah, there's a good list of RMs that are worse than it.  At least Planet Guardian has a gimmick use of putting it on someone with Magic Lure for a portion of the fight, if you think the fight's going to be short enough, or at least as your other people focus on putting up the appropriate mitigation turn 1.

That said, Jo'ou is correct.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 22, 2016, 02:46:07 AM
Beat Yuffie's Event Quests.  The 4th Solo was a pain in the ass because I needed to buff Yuffie to level 60, and have Shadowsteel hit early in the fight AND get to him without taking too much damage but those enemies with Iron Strike are just bullcrap.  One run pissed me off because I got him down to like 2 hits and I win, but nope, the last 5 turns he did nothing but Iron Strike, and I needed either my last Shadowsteel to kick in with Sap, Yuffie to critical, or him to use something OTHER than Iron Attack on two of those turns...but nope! RNG told me to **** off, so S/L.

Godo was beaten with him Beast Swording Yuna right before the final hit but since I didn't care about mastery, I just went with it; odd not caring about a death but so it goes.

Also finally created a NO REGRETS Meteor
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 22, 2016, 04:21:08 AM
Mmph, chalk that up to misunderstanding the Japanese. I guess what its saying is "have already acquired" instead of "while equipped"

Well, that makes my B team a lot less shit then now doesn't it. At least playing with new RMs let me see some that I would have just skipped over (Steiner's RM2 was pretty neat, if niche, for example.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 22, 2016, 06:03:30 AM
Auto reflect is really damn good for bosses that counter magic.  Let's you start off attacking without setup time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 22, 2016, 07:19:17 AM
Yeah at the sake of not being able to directly heal the person reflected. If a boss counters magic, go physical. You guys are starting to enter the era of physical dominance these days anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 22, 2016, 09:20:45 AM
Current Greater Orb rate for today: 1 per 24 stamina. Currently sitting on 120 Greater Holies after the shattering spree yesterday. Should be enough for R3 Banishing Strike, at least (my GPO stash ain't so great and I hesitate to shatter Major Powers as of now).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 22, 2016, 03:30:24 PM
Fuck ff13 and it's events.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 22, 2016, 07:47:11 PM
I concur.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 22, 2016, 08:06:15 PM
Fang's event is mostly okay.  'cept Barthandelus.  Granted after a token attempt I decided not to even bother with him so.

Actually I just want Beatrix's event to drop now.  Well not NOW now, but y'know, stuff.

Since I'm not feeling like bashing my head against Bart, elite clearing.  FFVIII's entirely done now, which is a nice feeling.  Cleared up FFXIII the other day as well.  Bit at a loss as to what other realms to tackle next though.  FFIX can wait until I see what treasures the Beatrix banners yield... hm.  Actually, should see what FFXII looks like with more of an A-Team setup.  Ended badly last time but let's see if we can't fix that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 22, 2016, 11:23:28 PM
Lightning MC2 get. Used three mythril restores on the boss rush (mid-battle for the twins, mid-battle for Brynhildr, before Bahamut), mastered Warmech on the first try even though I forgot to swap out Lightning's Stop for something that could actually be useful. Huzzah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on January 22, 2016, 11:35:50 PM
where were you when sephiroth saved video games

(http://i.imgur.com/kki9uIRl.png)

permanent vale of memories when
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 22, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
VSM writhes in his grave. Also, Sephiroth will be reissued next month on the Advent Children event with his MC1. Somewhere in-between we may get the permanent Hall of Rites.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 22, 2016, 11:56:15 PM
Signeur Tori. Plays FF Nostalgia game.

Signeur Tori gets rewarded with memories of the most famous backstabbing in gaming history.

Where are your gods now Ephraim?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 23, 2016, 12:12:44 AM
Gratz Nitori.  You can use that to sap Godo!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 23, 2016, 01:50:53 AM
Not only does Seph get reissued with Advent Children, when the Hall of Rites comes out he will have his MC2 there. Least he did in JP.

EDIT: Can yall not recruit event issue characters through quests? IIRC I actually got Seph through doing the Special Quest for the Neibelheim classic dungeon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 23, 2016, 01:59:27 AM
We can. And Seph with his SSB is honestly usable as of now even at L50, his overall stat spread is way too good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 23, 2016, 02:53:47 AM
Anyhow, done all Yuffie bonus battles besides Ultimate Godo, who still needs 33 more stamina before being attempted. Regardless, not a hard batch: boss rush outside of Schizo is utter Paralysis-bait, Materia Keeper also bites it bad to Paralysis (and Blind. And Slow) and the Four Siblings are pretty fragile to the point I just Meteor'd my way to victory.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 23, 2016, 04:37:21 AM
So I just mastered Ultimate Godo.

Never even used the RW I picked out (Blade Beam Cloud).

Bartz L61 - Butterfly Edge+, Adamant Bangle, Wolf Earring - Steal Power R4, Lifesiphon R4 - Dragoon's Determination - Blade Wing
Aerith L57 - Wyrmfang, Tungsten Bangle, Pearl Necklace - Curaga R5, Shellga R2 - Lionheart - Salvation (from the Tungsten Bangle)
Red XIII L65 - Crystal Glove+, Edincoat, Omega Badge - Full Break R2, Magic Breakdown R3 - Mako Might - Lunatic High
Yuffie L50 - Dragon Claw, Holiday Mittens, Fury Ring - Tempo Flurry R5, Steal HP R4 - Self-Sacrifice - Inspiring Light (from the Holiday Mittens)
Y'shtola L65 - Thyrus++, Shinra Helmet, Emerald Ring - Curaga R5, Diaga R3 - Dr. Mog's Teachings - Stoneskin II

I know this is just a function of me having a native Wall, but that fight was a LOT easier than I was expecting, especially compared to Ultimate Bart.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 23, 2016, 05:39:57 AM
Speaking of Native Walls, luckily for me the collaboration event with Mobius Final Fantasy came up before the FF14 event, and in the event store there was like 10 mythril available. I'll reach 150 easily before the FF14 event, and have a pretty good chance of getting 200. Thyrus pls kthx

(watch as they don't release thyrus, or more likely I get every item on the banner but thyrus)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 23, 2016, 10:50:22 AM
Thing today.

Wake up.  "Eeeeh I don't feel like doing an actual stage right now, I'll just do the daily dungeon today."

How am I rewarded?

Red's RM3 at the end of the first stage.  Very nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 23, 2016, 11:55:39 AM
Done with Ultimate Godo. Only the first two turns were kinda nasty (having SSII and Shellga both tied to the same person sometimes sucks), but once I managed to stick two magic mitigations before the first Bioga, the fight went smoothly. AoE healing lords over Godo pretty well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 23, 2016, 12:41:30 PM
Yuffie's event completed here too.

Highlights:

-Had to fight Materia Keeper 4 times total INCLUDING the S/Ls.  First fight, he thinks he's Sephiroth and murders Aerith with an ST Physical.  S/L.  Second fight, I win with little difficulty! ...only to see Sap is a requirement and I lost 2 medals on damage.  Attempt #3, this time with Yuffie using Shadowsteel instead of Tempo Flurry...yeah, you can probably see what I did wrong THERE.  Attempt #4, this time with Tempo Flurry on Zack and Shadowsteel on Yuffie, I win!

-The Big Four, I think "this won't be so bad Protectga, some Power Breakdowns and Steal Powers, I'm good!" 2 turns in, big MT Attack, I see half my team die...and I forgot to put on Power Breakdown too still using Magic Breakdown, oops!  Ok, wasn't the attack alone but you get the idea.  Out of stamina, go to bed, wake up, replace level 40 Aerith with Level 63 Yuna who has Hymn, give Power Breakdown to Red, victory!  Used Rinoa for Slow because I couldn't be bothered to remember who Staniv is, so Dr. Mog's Teachings -> Angel Wing Quake -> All of them at Slow now!  Also learned that Slow hits even if they immune Earth, which is weird because one of them is clearly immune via Flying but hey, good to now.

-Godo was...a joke, frankly.  He got ONE good attack the entire fight, which was a Biora late in the fight when Shellga was down, dealing 1k to all, but honestly, and otherwise his only 4 digit damage was his opening physical on Yuffie.  If you can get past turn 1, you get ANY of your mitigation up, you should be good to control the fight since it's really getting past that mitigationless first turn.  Otherwise? Steal Power + Magic Breakdown, Full Break, Shell/Protectga, Shield Grimoire, Hymn of the Fayth for added insurance, easy win.  Even had PP as my RW which I don't think I needed but it did speed the fight up.

A very simply and refreshing ultimate after the whore that was Bartandelus. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 23, 2016, 05:37:13 PM
Meanwhile, I'm already twitching at the prospect of Ultimate Beatrix.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 23, 2016, 07:13:01 PM
Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu link=topic=6735.msg182511#msg182511 date=all the damned time
*posts more about his erection*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 23, 2016, 08:03:18 PM
I thought Snow only got erections for guys?

Beat Ultimate Godo.  Had to restart the fight because I went in with Protectga instead of Shellga.  After I fixed that he was easy enough, was even nice enough to spam Gravija instead of Bioga.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 23, 2016, 09:07:05 PM
SURPRISE Fanboys, your waifu is a dude.

Still fine-tuning for Godo.  I could probably have swung it on the second setup, but... nah, let's not wait for the just-so RNG setup that lets that win.  Then of course DU drops tonight because of course it does, I was making progress >.>
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 24, 2016, 02:53:38 AM
For some reason I thought I had another day to do Barthandalus.  Oh well, that fight was pissing me off anyway.  Good riddance.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 24, 2016, 12:49:03 PM
Nice Cecil levelled to 80. Now, to keep plugging at levelling up Lightning, Loserface, Wakka and Red XIII.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 24, 2016, 06:47:35 PM
I strongly recommend two AoE clears for the elite Dreamscape levels in the latest DU, the Pandoras have brutal AoE status moves. I brought only one and had to S/L like twelve times just to get to Wrexsoul.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 24, 2016, 07:19:53 PM
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 24, 2016, 09:54:34 PM
Welcome to the big girls club.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 24, 2016, 10:24:07 PM
Oh wow, congrats CK! I haven't gotten -any- 5*s from the Daily Draw yet, in -either- version of the game I'm playing, much less a USEFUL 5*! Perhaps you should go buy a lottery ticket?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 24, 2016, 10:54:52 PM
And my free daily draw is!!!
...a piece of crap 1*.  Bah, one of these days I'll get a 5*.  for now, I'll take solace in the fact that I once got a 4* FF12 Spear I already had, giving me a 4+ weapon for that realm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 25, 2016, 05:22:50 AM
Beat Braska's Final Aeon. Pretty easy, could possibly do the wuest with it actually, given a full party L80s FFX characters, but meh that is a lot of planning for two Major Fire Orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 25, 2016, 05:29:15 AM
My love is cheap dena but even I have standards.

The joke is a bit subtle but I think you can work it out.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 25, 2016, 01:11:29 PM
It may have been more subtle than your usual fare but I wouldn't call it subtle.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 25, 2016, 01:15:16 PM
Completed all of the Classic dungeons in this update. The Pandoras in FFVI's dreamscape dungeons are simply diabolical.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 25, 2016, 01:19:32 PM
Pandoras were the little shit goblins with magic drain? Yeah, I recall having to S/L a lot leading up to Wrexy, and I had something stupid like 3 characters with MT clears (Meteo, Valefor, and Dark Sword Wave).

Wrexy himself was pretty easy, as long as you kept his flames alive he never got his stronger MT spells out.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 25, 2016, 01:25:28 PM
The biggest trouble in the Dreamscape is really getting to the bosses, who just aren't much. I just pack full MT on two mages for that content regardless, since, besides the Pandoras, there are also the submarines with all MT, all the time. R4 Ruinga, Valefor and Maduin get to play a bunch.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 25, 2016, 03:10:01 PM
Elite Wrexsoul wrecked (lol), FuSoYa MC gotten. And his RM2 is gotten by proccing it by chance... on FF4 dungeons. Oh for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 25, 2016, 03:13:17 PM
Tuesdaily, bro!

yeah no it sucks

EDIT: Literally seconds after I posted this FuSoYa's procced on the Tuesdaily. In yo' face. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 25, 2016, 03:23:46 PM
I got almost all of FF4's RMs in the Tuesdaily, so that's at least a nice thought.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 26, 2016, 12:38:13 AM
Fabul Castle is the best place to farm RMs in general, and just happens to be in FF4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 26, 2016, 12:44:35 AM
Only two FF5 Elites left. FF9 trash is nasty as hell, the dinosaur venus flytraps in Ibsen Castle could OHKO FuSoYa through Shell with Aero Breath. Using Lifesiphon against trash to come with a couple of SB gauges built up is also pretty legit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 26, 2016, 06:21:39 AM
*Crafts Steal Time*
*Completes the last Quest*

Yay!  I have successfully wasted ALL OF THE ORBS.  Well all of the Major Power orbs anyways.

In other news FFIX Elites are terrible and I hates them.  I'm not even missing mastery or anything, and still making up lost ground from avoiding them for several weeks (next in line is Desert Palace for reference, and that's skipping 'Scarlet "Oh god this is just the worst boss design in RK" Hair').  Then again I plan to draw at least one full 11x pull, and possibly a second, between the Beatrix banners.  Upshot, since I have my miraculous Sahz peashooters now I can actually put some of that towards the Beatrix and Steiner swords rather than going all in on banner 2, although in a vacuum (ie ignoring Beatrix and Steiner being awesome) that's probably the superior banner anyway, especially in durable-trash, magic heavy FFIX.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 26, 2016, 08:31:52 AM
*Crafts Steal Time*
*Completes the last Quest*

*Screams internally.*

EDIT: Thyrus confirmed in FF14 event's banner 1. 2% rate on a Wall for Zenny.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 26, 2016, 08:37:33 AM
Hurray causing Snow suffering~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 26, 2016, 10:32:28 AM
I got 3 chances, prolly 4 before the event is done. If I don't get it I may well delete the game in a fit of petulance then reinstall it two days later after I can't stay off the wagon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 26, 2016, 11:27:32 AM
Brings back memories of reddit's 500-mythril-and-failed-to-get-One Winged Angel guy. In retrospect, his ragequit hissy fit is even more hilarious, considering how badly outdated OWA is now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 26, 2016, 12:22:53 PM
I've been using Mug Time quite a bit lately, notably in Yuffie's solo quests.  It's highly underrated.  I haven't gotten Lightning's RM3 to drop to test it, but Steal Power+Mug Time+autoattack should be some ridonkulous dps.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 26, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
OWA wasn't even Black Materia, it was Shadow Flare, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 26, 2016, 02:03:51 PM
Yep! And Black Materia had been released shortly before in JP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 26, 2016, 02:10:52 PM
Yeah, well, some people like FF13. People be dim.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 26, 2016, 02:57:43 PM
Not sure about Japan, but OWA is still the strongest weapon statwise in global (tied with Flametongue).  Yoshiyuki doesn't scale well when leveled.  But yeah soul breaks > stats.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 26, 2016, 03:08:24 PM
One-Winged Angel has one less attack than Yoshiyuki at L30 and two less at L20. The difference is pretty minutial, but yeah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 26, 2016, 07:52:19 PM
With synergy, sorry.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 26, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
Had some mythril saved up so went ahead and did the Beginner Banner.  Got a Dragon Armlet (7) and a non-featured Golden Shield (6).  Eh, can't complain.

And then I made this.  Got two major augments along the way.

(http://i.imgur.com/85lG7pX.jpg)

Was going to make a Selphie reaction picture but I think you know how that goes by now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 26, 2016, 10:43:02 PM
Irvine being repressed by toxic masculinity inherent in our patriarchal culture?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 26, 2016, 11:29:57 PM
Yes.

(http://i.imgur.com/AbAJ1pW.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 27, 2016, 09:33:38 AM
JP FF14 event out. Papalymo is another Sage emphasizing black magic, with the caveat that he has the worst Mind and best Mag out of the Sages. Regardless, being able to wield WM4 and staves almost inevitably makes you solid by default. Yda's schtick is being the first Monk to sport Support 4 and that's a pretty big deal, breakdowns are huge. She also gets swords in addition to fists, which is nice for user-friendliness and synergy compatibility.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 27, 2016, 10:50:03 AM
Thyrus Thyrus Thyrus Thyrus

Draw 1: Thancred's Debuff SB dagger, Generic FF14 Dagger.
Draw 2: Garbage. Buncha 4*s that helped me make fake 6*s at least.
Draw 3: Evoker Horn, common Non elemental damage+Magic DEF Down SB.

Welp good thing I already expected that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 27, 2016, 10:56:46 AM
Thyrus Thyrus Thyrus Thyrus

Okay so you got a thing?

Draw 1: Thancred's Debuff SB dagger, Generic FF14 Dagger.
Draw 2: Garbage. Buncha 4*s that helped me make fake 6*s at least.
Draw 3: Evoker Horn, common Non elemental damage+Magic DEF Down SB.

Welp good thing I already expected that.

Okay so you didn't get a thing?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 27, 2016, 11:03:04 AM
want thing

no get thing

is :(

4rll though, I can get the necessary 45 mythril for another pull between now and when the event/banner ends, so I'm placing my bets on that. Literally. This is gambling and it is terrible.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 27, 2016, 11:15:27 AM
That sounds suspiciously like my draws on the Flames of Vengeance event back in September, just swapping Thancred's Yoshimitsu and the generic dagger with a Lominsan Bow and The Keep of Saints. Good to know FF14 remains a powerful source of addiction-based rage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 27, 2016, 11:19:32 AM
the struggle is real

2 tru
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 27, 2016, 11:21:18 AM
Indeed. At least, you're well-served even sans Wall and you get a monthly 25-mythril shot at Sentinel's Grimoire now!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 27, 2016, 11:26:02 AM
Yeah, I mean really more than anything having the native wall would just assure victory and give me more options to do builds that aren't "B/SSB team+Ramza" on Ultimate+ fights. And really, for trying out new builds (at least on Ultimate) Thancred's Dagger is pretty cool.

But still. Want.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 27, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
It's not a habit, it's cool, I feel alive
If you don't have it you're on the other side
I'm in heaven, I'm a god
I'm everywhere, I feel so hot

It's over now, I'm cold, alone
I'm just a person on my own
Nothing means a thing to me

(http://i.imgur.com/ffdo9IM.jpg)
yea u bad
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 27, 2016, 11:51:20 AM
well I guess I'm spending all night trying to look up videos of Rami Malek in Night at the Museum 2 now
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 27, 2016, 12:39:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/ffdo9IM.jpg)

Spiritually upvoted.

Yeah, I mean really more than anything having the native wall would just assure victory and give me more options to do builds that aren't "B/SSB team+Ramza" on Ultimate+ fights. And really, for trying out new builds (at least on Ultimate) Thancred's Dagger is pretty cool.

But still. Want.

And Thancred -just- happened to get an upgrade with Thief 5. You have a dedicated Thief's Raid user now (Thancred has excellent stats, but his skillset was pretty awkward. Thief 5 rounds him out very nicely).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 27, 2016, 12:42:29 PM
I was about to ask, actually. His skillset looked really good, so I was wondering if he didn't get brought up more because his stats were trash. Nope, upgrayedd.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 27, 2016, 12:50:56 PM
He also has a great equip pool, to boot. Easy synergy coverage ahoy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 28, 2016, 12:05:25 AM
Huh, the new Sphere Grid system looks interesting. It really does seem like a mini-version of FFX's Sphere Grid. Overall I approve but honestly the benefits are pretty minute. The game handed me five of each type of sphere fragment, but it takes like 3 fragments per type per ability, so I can't get more than like 3 upgrades total until they give us some method for farming these fragments (if they even make them farmable... they could end up like summon orbs).

Considering the abilities are mostly things like "ATK+1" with the occasional "get Spellblade 3*" or "can use Guns" for a couple characters, it's not a huge game-changer. And Cores themselves are still worthless.

Honestly, most of the cool stuff this system could have done was already just outright patched with updates (things like Terra getting Summon 5).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 28, 2016, 02:09:24 AM
Yeah I am kinda glad it's so insignificant though. I don't really want all my characters ending up as clones, which is exactly what could happen if they went too heavy on emphasizing it.

Nevermind that most characters are pretty samey as it is. How many White 4 Knight 5 characters are there? Or White 5 Summon 4/5? A fuckin lot. They don't need to be even samier.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 28, 2016, 02:28:27 AM
I have been living in glorious Nippon so long I can't tell White people apart.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 28, 2016, 02:58:43 AM
Actually true. All white people kinda look alike now. This isn't actually a joke.

For futref, RMs that have been added since I made that list that I probably want, depending on their exact bonuses:
Echo RM2.
MobiusSera RM2.
Sabin RM2.
Gau RM2.
Jecht RM2.
Yda RM2.
Y'Shantola RM2 but that's super low priority and realy only relevant when I finally craft Holy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 28, 2016, 04:38:34 AM
Actually true. All white people kinda look alike now. This isn't actually a joke.

Especially Australians. Buncha bearded hippies. ;)

Also, Zenny, Möbius Sera is actually FF1 Princess Sarah. Yeah, that one you rescue at the beginning of the game whose only purpose is to get your bridge built.

Also, I find it kind of interesting that the Sphere Grid system differentiates between Knight and Paladin while the actually skill system just kinda considers them the same.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 28, 2016, 07:11:33 AM
You can tell Rat and I apart.  I am the one that sounds like an American/Canadian/G-Man and dresses like a pile of dirty bed sheets.

Rat is the one that sounds Irish/English/baffled at your strange life choices and wears plunging hipster V necks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 28, 2016, 07:15:27 AM
I thought Rat was most recognizable for the cute noises he made while sleeping.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 28, 2016, 07:17:48 AM
Well yeah.  I mostly talk and swear at things in my sleep if I don't sound like a someone dragging a bag of marbles along a wooden floor.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 28, 2016, 11:21:29 AM
Grefter wanted me to do some crying here so

Also, Zenny, Möbius Sera is actually FF1 Princess Sarah. Yeah, that one you rescue at the beginning of the game whose only purpose is to get your bridge built.

Huh OK. Does that look at all resemblant of her sprite in the later FF1 remakes? I haven't touched one since Origins so maybe that's supposed to be more obvious than it was to me. I presume Garland is also FF1 Garland. What about Echo and Wall?

Things done today: Was pleasantly surprised that not everyone had access to the Sphere Grid, was disappointed Waifu!Ramza was not one of them but honestly he does not need to be better so yeah. Bartz is, though, because he needs to be even more of my main source of damage, so he's on his way to get all the ATK up upgrades. Levelled Y'shtola and Thancred to 64 but not past it yet, and cleared out the ++ fights. Finally got Red's RM2, his RM3 should be along sometime shortly. Threw Jecht in for one FFX dungeon since I needed ranged damage and got his RM2 first battle, game is clearly taunting me ZennyTears4Grefter here.  Realized that with the last couple of events I actually had the MWindOs to Hone both Thief's Raid and Saint's Cross to R2, solving that dilemma. Should probably forcefeed Zidane eggs so I can start farming Doublecast Thief. Broke 150 stamina.

The Mobius event's Ultimate+ battle is only rated at 140 instead of 160, so I'm gonna try to do it BSSBless. Probably will do that this weekend.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 28, 2016, 12:59:35 PM
Echo and Wol are the Mobius characters in the collab. Wol is the playable character and Echo is some fairy.

EDIT: Caved in and did a bunch of pulls on Beatrix's banner because my FF9 synergy was completely miserable (a fake 6* Gladius, an Oak Staff and Golem's Flute. The mage weaponry is good, but rather limited). Five 11-pulls and two 3-pulls later, I got -every single generic equip on the banner-, including three Barbuts (i.e. it is now 7*), a FF5 Ice Brand, -another- Ochu Tentacle (i.e. 6* with ye), a Striking Staff so now I have two FF7 mage sticks and... Amarant's Scissor Fangs, which also now happen to be my very first monk weapon. So, now my FF9 synergy is actually good, but utterly bizarre, with two daggers, a -thrown weapon-, a fist and a whole goddamn lot of armors. The Power Sash's admittedly pretty hot and Scissor Fangs are actually weirdly powerful, at least (hey, best option I have for running non-synergy Rikku or Red), and the Barbut running off 120 Def, 105 Res and the typical helm ATK boost's also a solid pick for my frontliners. Striking Staff should be useful for Bahamut SIN a month from now, at least. Red Cap also boosts fire damage and has the best defensive stats of all my hats, so there's that besides synergy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 28, 2016, 01:16:09 PM
Wol is the main character of FF Mobius. He is supposed to be an alternate reality version of Warrior of Light (thus, his name is Wol). Ecco (apparently the official spelling?) is apparently the stand-in for Wol having party members? There's also a Garland expy, but I'm pretty sure that the Garland in FFRK is supposed to be the FF1/Dissidia one.

You can really tell it's supposed to be FF1 Princess Sarah because she looks like her Theatrhythm design. Also her Pictologica design. Which are supposedly based off an Amano sketch? Here, have a wikia link. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Sarah_(Final_Fantasy)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 28, 2016, 01:33:56 PM
DADDY I'M A WHALE

"Get good, or get busy buyin." - Morgan Free2Playman

--

DJ: Have I mentioned how much I hate TheaterRhythm's designs art style? They It really are are the worst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 28, 2016, 01:39:51 PM
Oh thank god I thought I was the only one who hated it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 28, 2016, 06:22:11 PM
Tried a single pull for Beatrixs sword.

Got a ff6 helmet.

Yay
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 28, 2016, 06:50:17 PM
Done with Beatrix event's main course. Through the event, Amarant actually proved pretty legit with his relic (Shellga + High Regen's still quite nice): build gauge with Lifesiphon against trash, unleash against bosses, profit. Beforehand, I was fully intent on going mage meta all day against Beatrix, but the sudden influx of FF9 physical synergy is making me consider a physical setup: slap Pinwheel/Scissor Fangs on Rikku, Zorlin Shape on Squall/Lightning, Gladius on Red XIII, bring Steiner for fulfilling target score reqs and Yuna for my MT healing needs. The alternate setup would involve borderline white mage meta (Yuna/Eiko or Y'shtola/Steiner/Red/mage), but I'll muck with setups as needed. Feels like my physical setup would work better at this point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 28, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
Steiner is the required character this time? And here I was looking forward to actually using the mandatory party member for once.

(Speaking of which, I should motivate myself to do the FF7 boss rush, I guess. On the off chance I get Lunatic High I don't want to end up kicking myself for missing Red's MC2.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 28, 2016, 07:40:21 PM
The game tacitly encourages Steiner even in the other bonus batttles where he's not explicitly required because what is required is the pack of Knight skills we got in this event.  Albeit there's several viable 5 star knights you could use if you hated him.  Of course, he and P. Cecil are the only ones with MC2s so there's definitely some encouragement towards him.

But really, it's a Beatrix event, of course Steiner was gonna get some love.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 28, 2016, 07:46:58 PM
I figured Beatrix would be mandatory, which is nice since I was planning on bringing her up to a usable level anyway. Steiner not so much, and I'm not going to burn a bunch of growth eggs on a character with no role in my party otherwise so I can have a middling chance of getting a few of them back in the form of a mastery reward, assuming the RNG decides it likes me that day.

(why yes I do think giving medals for using a particular character in high-level fights is shitty design, why do you ask?)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 28, 2016, 08:01:27 PM
I'm okay with it up 'til the 110 difficulty range, because really they can be like level 40 an at least stay alive assuming you're strong enough to reasonably claim the mastery rewards to start with (ie have sufficient hones and synergy to pull it off).  After that... someone that plays a lot it's not a huge deal because hey, you have a lot of well-levelled characters so you can focus your attention on this one character for a while.  Adding more barriers to starting to clear the highest content and really get the ball rolling is poor form.

Something like Barthandelus requiring two characters, one from that event, can fuck right off.*

*Ignoring that Barthandelus has so many other problems as a fight and can fuck off to start with.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 28, 2016, 08:09:46 PM
"Assuming you're strong enough to reasonably claim the mastery rewards to start" is a dicey statement, though, because there's huge variability in the risk of losing a character to different bonus fights regardless of difficulty rating. You pretty much have to make the decision in hindsight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 28, 2016, 08:10:03 PM
It is fine, just spend more mithril on healing and getting buffs after you wipe.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 28, 2016, 08:16:50 PM
I found that the time period between "can just barely do the second bonus battle to nab that MC2 with a couple Mythril and a lot of praying" and "this fight is something I can reliably do without much trouble" was pretty short, like... I did that against Jenova Life, then by the next event wasn't really having much trouble with it at all.  Some of that was the event timing mind, and some of that is I probably should have been doing the bonus battles the previous event because Jenova is in fact abnormally strong, but... mm.  If you can't swing the one on this event (Valia Pira has the "gets weaker based on having FFIX party members" thing going so it might be exceptional) I'm willing to bet you will by the next one.

Put another way the power jump between the regular stages in the event and the ++ fight is smaller than the jump between ++ and +++ or between +++ and Ultimate I found.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 28, 2016, 08:48:02 PM
Yeah, but that's no reason to make me fight with one hand tied behind my back, or use up a shit-ton of growth eggs, just so the mastery becomes possible.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 28, 2016, 10:04:53 PM
Did a total of 15 pulls on the Beatrix Banner, my results?

A few 4* (nothing useful unfortunately), an Edincoat and FF6 Burning Knuckle.  Yes 2 5* items not on the banner and BOTH WERE ITEMS I ALREADY HAD.  To be fair, Edincoat is something I might actually want two of, and the FF6 Burning Knuckle+ is good for...uhh...Zack in FF6 realms using Fira sword? I got nothing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 28, 2016, 10:07:13 PM
Cleared up to the end of the regular event.

So after 100 mythril, my FFIX synergy has risen from
- Cat's Claw (no-SB fist)

to include
-Zorlin Shape (no-SB Dagger)
-Barbut (no-SB helm)

Which still puts it behind any other relevant realm except maybe FFV for total synergy.  Sitting at 42 mythril at the moment, I should definitely try for one last 11x roll and hope for the statistically-likely one more piece of 5 star gear.  Question being which banner.

In favor of Banner 2
- While I have a full Trinity now, additional instances of Medica and Hastega are still Very Good Things and Golem Flute offers both.
- My existing meager synergy is all physical, so a banner that has possible mage weapons is woth considering
- The overall quality of the character SBs in banner 2 is higher, as is the overall quality of the characters the SBs are for.
- While Aura is a good SB, realistically two fists is a waste so if I did draw Scissor Claws my overall situation wouldn't improve much- I'd just be dumping the Cat's Claws into that.
- Quina is still Quina and Mighty Guard is a pretty meh SB to my needs.

In favor of Banner 1
- Character love for Beatrix and Steiner
- My existing ability set favors physical teams over magical ones, although the gap is small and I can do either on a whim
- Assuming no SBs at all, I'm more likely to slot Steiner or Beatrix over Zidane/Garnet/Vivi/Eiko mechanically- I don't have many other well-trained Knights and they get a lot of good skills in this event.
- Sap is becoming increasingly relevant and something more reliable than Shadowsteel to add it would be great.

So writing it all out, Banner 2 has more points in its favor in a vacuum, but in actual practice I feel like it really comes down to drawing for two weapons I really want (StQ and Ultima Blade) vs one (Golem Flute).  That sound about right?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 29, 2016, 12:04:11 AM
You should totally pull on the second one because like 5/6 DL players have a Golem Flute and it feels weird that there are still people out there who don't.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 29, 2016, 01:13:03 AM
I'd go for banner 2 in your context. The relevance of sap is going to plummet starting right about now and, as a Golem Flute owner, it really is notable. You're less likely to get complete chaff as well, since all of the relics are pretty quality. The reason I pulled on banner 1 was because I needed -all- the physical and armor synergy (Golem Flute and Oak Staff cover me for magic).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 29, 2016, 01:16:20 AM
Steiner is the required character this time? And here I was looking forward to actually using the mandatory party member for once.

(Speaking of which, I should motivate myself to do the FF7 boss rush, I guess. On the off chance I get Lunatic High I don't want to end up kicking myself for missing Red's MC2.)

2/3 bosses on the boss rush are Intimidate fodder. Just keep Shellga and SG up for Schizo at all times and you have it in the bag. Materia Keeper is vulnerable to both Blind and Intimidate as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 29, 2016, 02:53:48 AM
Yeah, once I buckled down and did it they went quick. Schizo waa the only struggle and that was because I tried to kill the heads together instead of focusing down (because I thought it would avoid Dragon Fang). I didn't even need mythril, because the first two bosses in the rush dropped ethers.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on January 29, 2016, 04:03:17 AM
You should totally pull on the second one because like 5/6 DL players have a Golem Flute and it feels weird that there are still people out there who don't.

I have a Selphie Stick, wtf do I need with a Golem Flute?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 29, 2016, 04:05:32 AM
Boss rushes are rigged to drop an ether in fact.  At least during events.  I don't think the terrible FFIV dungeon that's actually a Four Fiends rush does.  But that's FFIV dungeons being awful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on January 29, 2016, 06:39:04 AM
Nothing to do with the fact that it is a dungeon.

You should totally pull on the second one because like 5/6 DL players have a Golem Flute and it feels weird that there are still people out there who don't.
Rub one out on the second, go on you wanna have a little play of the Golem Flute, everyone else does it!
This has been Masturbation Corner with DJ.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 29, 2016, 01:29:05 PM
Steiner is the required character this time? And here I was looking forward to actually using the mandatory party member for once.

Oh, for Ultimate Beatrix he's not required, but he happens to be one of my L65 Knights and his skillset allows me to fulfill two of the target score reqs at once (hit her with Armor Strike and hit her with Holy damage, which I intend to fulfill with Banishing Strike. I have about 60 Greater Power Orbs at the ready to hone it to R4). He's required for Valia Pira, but the way the fight works, you -want- to plop your party full of FF9 PCs for it anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 29, 2016, 03:16:41 PM
Valia Pira: Worst non-Ultimate boss in the game? Worst non-ultimate boss in the game... if you don't have a full party of levelled FF9 PCs. That fight was obnoxious during Freya's event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 29, 2016, 03:45:11 PM
Well, if I'm going to have to use a bunch of FF9 PCs for that fight I might as well try and outfit them properly. Did an 11 pull under the first banner, got....no FF9 equipment at all. Golden Shield (VI) was the only 5 star in the mix, and I also got a Crystal Armor (V) that I can use to make a 4+.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 29, 2016, 04:59:42 PM
You have Vivi's Oak Staff, no? That alone should go places for your needs, since even one FF9 PC neuters its elemental immunities. It's sleep-vulnerable in this event, so you could bring a Ninja with Phantasm R2 or a White Mage with Sleep and cheese the hell out of it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 29, 2016, 05:08:02 PM
Yeah, I was planning to bring Vivi regardless, but given that Sunbath is the lynchpin of my L99+ strategy some synergistic swords/gloves would be helpful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 29, 2016, 05:14:41 PM
Yeah, it's justified. I pulled as much as I did for this banner because my FF9 synergy overall was so miserable outside Oak Staff and Golem's Flute. At least, there'll be another FF9 banner in just a little over a month from now under the new banner format (the one with 13% 5* odds per relic pulled and doubled character relic rates)!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 29, 2016, 10:20:42 PM
This morning, I beat up both Dreamscape levels and got FuSoYa's MC.  Wrexsoul was a lot less imposing than I'd been lead to believe (I was considering going and making Break/Death for the adds) while the Three Stooges were a lot scarier.

Should I go egg up Fu for his tasty RMs, or just wait for Sundaily?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 30, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
*Poor Life Decisions*

Yielded... a second Zorlin Shape and an Ultima Sword!  Well then, can't complain about that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on January 31, 2016, 04:30:00 AM
Gathered 50 Mythril, did another pull... a second Yoshimitsu.

K. I doubt I can get another 50 mythril before Friday when the event ends, but my last hopes lie with a couple 3-pulls it seems.

In other news, I'm through most of that big fuck off list of Record Materia I want. After using Mystic Knight for like a fucking month, Spellblade Spring 2 finally popped, and shortly thereafter Dualcast Celerity, Zell's RM2, and a bunch of other goodies popped up too.

Made a lot of progress in clearing out areas. Most realms except 5 and 6 have only 3-4 dungeons left, if they have any at all, so yeah. I guess after that I just farm and do events, huh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 31, 2016, 09:05:58 AM
Shirtless Sephiroth event is out! Decided to do some pulls since there's a new Burst SB available. Did two 11-pulls and snagged five 5* relics. Unfortunately, no Burst SB, but I -did- get two Flame Daggers and two of Aerith's new Rod, so now I have some cool new 6* FF7 synergy for JP. Also got a Genji Helm, which is nice since my 5* Armors are lacking in JP.

The -actual- fights for the Global Beatrix event are out now, but eh, feel like grinding Sundaily instead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 31, 2016, 12:27:16 PM
Ultimate Beatrix:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/9tfNjaoyJv7Gw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 01, 2016, 01:30:45 PM
Just did an absolutely embarrassing amount of math (read: any at all) to find out if I could do another 11 pull on the Thyrus banner, and I should be able to do it by Thursday Afternoon with optimal stamina usage, and Friday morning by being a normal human being someone with a gambling problem who isn't completely bonkers about it at the very least isn't spending any real money on it.

The irony is that I haven't even looked at the FF14 Ultimate or Ultimate+ boss yet, and if my stamina usage is SUB. OPTIMALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL I may skip them both altogether to get more mythril... so I can get a Thyrus to do OTHER U/+ content. I guess.  Yeaaaaaah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 01, 2016, 03:03:22 PM
Catch 22.

Anyhow, farmed FuSoYa's RM2 on Mist Cave and am now currently slaving away at Ultima Weapon GBO farming for no good reason. Fire/Earth is such a non-entity for orb farming.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 01, 2016, 08:14:42 PM
Completed the Ultimate Beatrix fight first, and then mastered it on a second run.  Mastering party was:

Steiner L67 - Armor Strike R3/Banishing Strike R2 - Sword Oath - Self-Sacrifice - I was thinking that Self-Sacrifice would synergize with Armor Strike really well with Armor Strike, just due to having bother ATK and DEF increases.  Sadly, no synergy gear probably meant that his stats weren't high enough to really take advantage of this.
Bartz L65 - Steal Power R4/Lifesiphon R4 - Blade Wing - Dragoon's Determination - You know what he's here for.
Eiko L64 - Curaga R5/Diaga R4 - Emerald Light - Dr. Mog's Teachings - Medica bot + damage
Y'shtola L65 - Curaga R5/Protectga R2 - Stoneskin II - Mako Might - Wall bot + Protect
Rinoa L80 - Momento of Prayer R3/Waterja R4 - Vow of Vengeance - ??? (generally I was stuck between AW Bolt and the Tungsten Bracer's Salvation, though neither really saw use) - Here to cast MT Regen and extra damage.
RW: Emerald Light - needed a second Medica user in many instances.

On the winning run, Steiner died in the last 15%, but there's no Avoid KO condition, so I got Mastery.  Yay.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on February 01, 2016, 09:46:30 PM
http://youtu.be/wbXciBKcfQ8 + gambler's fallacy.  Yeaaaaaah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 02, 2016, 04:03:45 AM
Beat Ultimate Beatrix, barely missed a mastery as she Holy'd 2 PCs near the end of the fight, just took the victory because yeah.  A 2nd attempt failed mostly because of some minor tweaks that made the fight too RNG-reliant for my tastes.  Waiting for my RWs to reset so I can get Planet Protector or Hand of the Emperor RWs back up
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 03, 2016, 01:29:09 AM
Did a 100 gem pull, got a the Lohegrin.  Well, it's a 5* At least, so I can't really complain.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 04, 2016, 08:08:06 AM
Ran into DJ on a reddit thread being wrong as usual. Bringing the conversation here because the thread's dead now and I still have stuff to say. Besides, commentary from people here will almost certainly be more enlightening than commentary from Reddit randos.

Quote from: DjinnAndUrMum
(On FF12 characters they could add) Even Vossler, Reddas, or the new PCs from Revenant Wings. So much potential. Hell RW even has a new Dragoon who had the only revival spell in the game. WHT5/DRG5 could be an interesting combo.

Quote from: Guess Who Bitch
Quote
anything/DRG5 could be an interesting combo.

no it couldnt, dont lie

EDIT: Actually this comment made me think about it, and... wow they haven't done anything interesting with the Dragoon skillset. They kinda tried to make it a spellblade-lite with Wind Jump, Ice Jump, and gave it a restoration skill and 5* with Drain Dive and Sky Grounder back in the Freyja event, but there's nothing Dragoon does that Spellblade doesn't do either cheaper (3* Drain Strike vs. 4* Drain Dive), better (4* elemental skills vs. 3*s), or equivalent (Critical chance on Sky Grounder vs. Wind Elemental on Tornado Strike). I guess it can add sap?

Honestly it's a skillset that could use some work, and hey if they did release the RW character that would be a good opportunity to beef it up a bit.

EDIT: I just realized who I'm talking to. Your opinions are bad.

Quote from: DJJizzyJeff
Love you too, Zenny-baby. But honestly, more combat-focused characters with White 4 are always welcome because as the Knights with White 4 have showed us, it is super helpful having another place to slot Shellga/Protectga. Dragoon is just another flavor of it.

Yes, another slot for Shellga/Protecta is nice, but that's not the point. The point is, why would you ever use someone with White4/Dragoon5 over someone with White4/Knight5? Or White4/Spellblade4+? Spellblade's flat out better, and Knight's skillset isn't comparable but is way better. Either a free self-Esuna+Regen+Holy Damage skill or a Dispel+Holy Damage skill slotted next to your Shellga/protectga is pretty great utility, and if the boss nulls Holy damage you have Armor Strike (or more realistically Indoor Spell or maybe the Full Charge 5* we got a couple weeks ago in JP) if you've honed it. Pretty sure all Wh4/Kn5s have Combat 5 as well, anyway).

If they introduce someone with W4/Dragoon5, there's still no real argument for using that kinda character except for favoritism. They really need to give the dragoon skillset itself something to make it stand out, just slapping W4 isn't going to make it worth using. Especially when you consider that jumping means sometimes missing buffs if you're not careful, which is HUGE in endgame content.

Granted, this viewpoint may be highly influenced by me using a knight while doing my latest dungeon binge and actually never using their W4 skillset. Saint's Cross+Banish Raid is just. So. Good. Crumples to Holy resistance, but, well, that's what Combat 5 is for.
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In other news, I got another 50 mythril. I got... a second generic FF14 dagger! Let's all be shocked by this.

I'm also stupidly close to being done with the dungeon content. Saving FF5/6 content for last mostly out of favoritism. Plus side, since I'm still kinda swimming in orbs and stuff from the last orbfest, I really can't justify caring about stamina anymore. Not that I won't obsessively make sure I'm not not getting it (I will, plus I have 160 so that's a full 8 hours between having to play), but I'm gonna go back to playing around with Ultimate bosses. I feel like I'll have a better chance at actually succeeding with non-Bartz/Tyro setups on that difficulty. Ultimate Turks should be pretty interesting, too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 04, 2016, 09:09:37 AM
Was that perchance sparked by the incoming FF4 event, which will come with new Dragoon stuff?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 04, 2016, 09:28:02 AM
Wahoo, squeaked a mastery over Beatrix, without cheese even!

Basic set:
Vanille (65, Oerba's Boon, non-RS equips)- Protectga/Renewing Cure, Mog's Teachings
Steiner (66, Stock Break, RS sword)- Firaga Blade/Drain Blade, Ace Attacker
Bartz (63, RS helm)- Dismissal/Steal Power, Sword damage up
Tyro (66, SG, RS fist)- Shadowsteel/Magic Breakdown, Mako Might
Leon (55, HotE, 5+ RS dagger)- Indoor Spell/Armor Strike, Attack==Holy Elemental
Lenna HotF Knockoff RW

Probably one of my favorite Ultimate fights just because there's really no dirty tricks here; her scariest moves are used in a set way and learning how they work and getting the timing and flow of the fight right are the keys to victory, not praying to the random number goddess that you get a favorable skill selection.  Mind you, I had three two previous sets that failed, and after finding more-or-less this setup I managed to utterly blow a run and thus this was my fourth buy-in for the battle.  And some other runs taught me I didn't have the raw durability (or capacity to bring my SSB, because I invested in Steal Power instead of Power Breakdown and while the fight goes into full Yolo mode at 40% HP you do need to maintain the break during her middle phases because timing is so damn important) to win the damage race in her last phase, unless some of the work was being done for me.  At least, not efficiently enough for mastery; Steiner is a good tank and could MAYBE have lasted long enough but it'd be dicey as shit.  Or I could have Dismissal proc some improbable number of times.  I know a few runs got tantalizingly close due to lucky stuns, and it triggered once or twice in the winning run too.

Vanille DID bite it in the winning run to a combination of stray Holy and Stock Break before she could heal herself but eh, not relevant.
Admittedly I'd have been bummed as hell if I hadn't Mastered this, I spend a LOT of Mythril getting good FFIX gear so I could.  In which light I am now concerned about Vossler buuut I'm not terrible in FFXII, just my equips are weird.  Might drop an extra draw or three on banner 2 here, for all that honestly both banners are bad.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on February 04, 2016, 11:25:23 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1398740330/image.jpg)Haha squeaker

Ran into DJ on a reddit thread then some dumb shit talking about New Kain without mentioning his name.

You are talking about FF4 TAY and I hope you know your dog that died when you were 9 didn't love you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 04, 2016, 12:36:12 PM
Vanille DID bite it in the winning run to a combination of stray Holy and Stock Break before she could heal herself but eh, not relevant.
Admittedly I'd have been bummed as hell if I hadn't Mastered this, I spend a LOT of Mythril getting good FFIX gear so I could.  In which light I am now concerned about Vossler buuut I'm not terrible in FFXII, just my equips are weird.  Might drop an extra draw or three on banner 2 here, for all that honestly both banners are bad.

It's really hard to care about FF12 equips when their selection is so haphazard on banners and when the game drops ten billion 3-4*s for the realm without us even trying. Meanwhile, FF9 will have two more big events in the short term (man, there'll be one in about a month!), one of which having an utterly brutal Ultimate+ fight, and the featured equips tend to be pretty high-end.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 04, 2016, 02:12:20 PM
Was that perchance sparked by the incoming FF4 event, which will come with new Dragoon stuff?

Haha nope. Interested to see what the skills are, though. Can they fix dragoon??????
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 04, 2016, 02:48:20 PM
Regardless, you're right in that Dragoon needs a serious kick in the nuts. Being just an awkward mesh of Spellblade and slugfest!Combat just doesn't cut it. Even one money skill would do it, since the mult advantage Dragoon has is just too minute.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 04, 2016, 05:58:01 PM
I ended up purging most of my 4 stars before the inventory update, and the game's been weirdly anti-XII since.  But yeah it should be enough?  But if Vossler is trouble an extra 5 or 10 mythril could be in order.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 04, 2016, 06:06:15 PM
Well, Vossler -is- trouble, but you have 2/3s of the trifecta. I figure you'll manage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 05, 2016, 12:24:39 AM
Re: Drg5/Wht4 character
I can totally agree that Dragoon skillset isn't as good as Knight or Spellblade, but it's functional, unlike most of say... Ninja. Also, FF12, the realm in question regarding Revenant Wings' Lyude, doesn't have any Wht4 combat hybrids, so it would actually be a solid niche for FF12 content, even if Beatrix/Cecil/Agrias are better in general.

Ultimate Beatrix:
Holy crap this was a tough one. I went with Advantaliate out of principal, but it was a struggle. Brought Yuna AND Eiko for MT healing, but it took multiple resets to get the timing down for undoing the Climhazzard and Seiken panic-modes. Seriously, an MT Sap skill followed shortly by an MT HP-1 skill is just mean. Once I managed to get the timing for that down, then I had to carefully plan my one use of Sentinel's Grimoire so that her regular MT damage didn't just one-shot everyone even with Protectga up. A better plan would have been to give Tyro Ace Striker + Lifesiphon instead of Dr. Mog's Teachings. But I wanted to rely on Cecil's SSB for the Holy damage requirement, so I decided to have him spamming that combo instead.

Used Cloud with Barrage R1 as my retaliator, and honestly this whole fight would have been much much easier if I'd had Barrage R2 because he was dealing stupid-good damage just with Advance + Barrage + Sword20%dmg RM + full FF9 synergy equips. I might have been able to just slot the "Attack deals Holy element dmg" RM and dropped Cecil's SSB spam altogether if I had. But ugh... getting the Major Power Orbs for that when I'm still sitting at Full Break R1 (which I ended up not even using in this fight...)

Took 10 S/Ls because I didn't want to try to change up my party, but once I got the rhythm of the fight down, it was just a matter of her not getting a lucky one-shot on my healers after her third Climhazzard. Good fight!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on February 05, 2016, 01:03:38 AM
Re: Drg5/Wht4 character
I can totally agree that Dragoon skillset isn't as good as Knight or Spellblade, but it's functional, unlike most of say... Ninja. Also, FF12, the realm in question regarding Revenant Wings' Lyude, doesn't have any Wht4 combat hybrids, so it would actually be a solid niche for FF12 content, even if Beatrix/Cecil/Agrias are better in general.


What you are describing there is a resource sink to get you to spend things investing in Dragoon shit for one edge case scenario that they can pull out on demand.

Literally using Dragoon skills to get you to pay more.

I think that pretty much literally makes you Kain.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 05, 2016, 02:50:49 AM
You don't actually spend money getting orbs for skills though. That's a pure time investment. Unless you're talking about spending money to get spears, but as mentioned previously FF12 is one of the easiest realms to get 4++ synergy with, which is perfectly serviceable.

Not to mention where we are in JP, synergy is a lot less important than it seems to be in Global. 3++ synergy is not even better than a 5* character relic (EDIT without synergy) thanks to power creep, and 4++ is nice but in all the fights I couldn't complete, I cant imagine that the 10 point ATK difference would have pushed me over the edge. Would have helped, but wouldn't have closed the gap.

5* relic synergy is still baller, though.

And as far as character synergy goes, come on DJ you know well enough that what SBs you have is vastly more important than character realm synergy. (And THAT'S the sinkhole they use to get people to spend money, Gref.)

In other news, thanks to playing around with equipment while dungeon diving, in hindsight I can't help but wonder if I have been overvaluing offensive stats when I should have been beefing up defensive stats for some of those battles. The difference between the defensive scores of my attack boosting armors and some of my light armors is often 30 to 50 points, and that does seem to make a much larger difference in durability than I previously assumed.

Also realized the FF14 event was wrapping up today so I cleared out the U+ fight during one of my free periods. That fight would have been easily doable with an A- team, too bad I didn't do them til just now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on February 05, 2016, 03:57:08 AM
Higher touch time on game:Higher transaction rate.  It isn't always about direct monetisation so much as getting you to play more.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 05, 2016, 10:36:35 AM
Not to mention where we are in JP, synergy is a lot less important than it seems to be in Global. 3++ synergy is not even better than a 5* character relic (EDIT without synergy) thanks to power creep, and 4++ is nice but in all the fights I couldn't complete, I cant imagine that the 10 point ATK difference would have pushed me over the edge. Would have helped, but wouldn't have closed the gap.

5* relic synergy is still baller, though.

4++* synergy is honestly still quite good. A 4++* synergy weapon will still average over 150, often 160+, on the relevant offensive stat. In fact, what really puts 4++* down is the base: 75-80 on ATK/MAG/MND just doesn't cut it anymore, and 5* synergy weapons are starting even now to achieve over 200 ATK. The ones that really lost their luster are the 3++*s, which reached the point of equaling non-synergy 5*s. At that point, why even bother with RS then?

In other news, thanks to playing around with equipment while dungeon diving, in hindsight I can't help but wonder if I have been overvaluing offensive stats when I should have been beefing up defensive stats for some of those battles. The difference between the defensive scores of my attack boosting armors and some of my light armors is often 30 to 50 points, and that does seem to make a much larger difference in durability than I previously assumed.

As always, it depends on your needs and wants, especially accounting for synergy. A synergy 5* bracer or hat provides nearly 50 of a given offensive stat (which is better than, say, a Self-Sacrifice or a Vow of Vengeance RM -and- stacks with them) while offering defensive stats well into three digits. A synergy light armor usually offers nearly 200 on both defensive stats, but in the case of a synergy Light Armor vs. non-synergy bracer/hat, the defense wins out, especially since those numbers -do- stack with buffs. 100 Def is more significant than 20-25 attack, but 45 Def vs. 45 Attack is a much harder choice. It's also important to note when you're close to the ATK softcap for fighters - you likely have little reason to stack ATK equips if you're approaching 400 ATK with a weapon alone, or with just weapon/accessory (since it also flattens the offensive boost from buffs, which are pretty much paramount to actual offense in the current JP meta). With mages, you're likely -never- reaching the softcap, which is a whopping 742 or something comparably inane, so you can stack those boosts more leisurely and their durability usually either isn't salvageable anyway or you're not having huge problems with mdur (their more relevant stat and the more generally useful defense stat anyway), since hat Res is barely any lower than robe Res.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 05, 2016, 10:56:53 AM
Eh, the Dragoon skills already have their niche uses -now-, so I end up honing them a bit anyway. It's nice especially if you want to slot an element on Gilgamesh or a synergy PC who happens to have Dragoon for hitting weakness and you're not using a Spellblade. In Global, at least, I have all the characters and I use teams based on RS because I'm levelling them all up -anyway-, so having lots of choices is nice.

If the new Dragoon skills that just came out are any good, it'll be nice to round out that skillset.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 05, 2016, 11:46:56 AM
The 4* skill, besides dealing damage, has the same effect as Kain's SSB, which is removing air time for Dragoon skills. It lasts only two turns, but it's a neat enough Faultsiphon/Full Charge-lite combo synergy that doesn't rely on Major Orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 05, 2016, 01:04:42 PM
That's a fair rule of thumb. Synergy Bracer > Synergy Light > Non-Synergy stuff. What exactly is the ATK softcap? Is it exactly 400 or is it 400 and some change?

I should also really hone Armor Strike and see how that works with my 7* Diamond Armor. Can't hurt against mainly-physical bosses, anyway.

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Autobattling my way through the first half of the FF4 event. Glanced at the Force versions of the dungeons, jfc they are giving literally everyone an MC2. (I can only hope that Mog gets an MC2 soon <33333333. Literally would make him a better choice than Aeris for me, also Mog Party 4eva). How long you wanna bet until we get MC3s that raise characters up to 100? I'm giving it until Golden Week (Early May). Callin that shit now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 05, 2016, 01:25:24 PM
It's actually 589, but I'm assuming people are going to use buffs like Scream/PP. If you're using Scream and you have over 392 ATK, the increase starts flatlining (and stacking buffs with stuff like Hand of the Emperor isn't so useful, since it actually increases damage below the percentage increase). In your case, if you're using Mog's Sunbath instead of Scream, the cutoff point would be 453 ATK (which I can nearly achieve with some of my best offensive synergy, like FF10, -without- RMs).

Also, I suspect Record Dive will be the next step on powering up characters for a while, since it's pretty heavily gated as of now by the resource used to get them and I figure they realized how needlessly restrictive they were with MC2s for a long time. Also, Armor Strike has a nice mult, but it doesn't gain much from buffing (it works mainly off the base) and it's only one hit -and- has no other special effects. Likely, it'll play second-fiddle to your Banishing Strike. It's great when your offensive synergy sucks, though!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 05, 2016, 01:42:16 PM
Oh, yeah, Record Dives. The thing they just introduced and I forgot about immediately. Yeah OK MC3s will be off for a while.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on February 05, 2016, 01:45:43 PM
No Golbez MC2 makes this President :(
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 05, 2016, 01:49:18 PM
FF6 gets events fairly frequently (just not MONTHLY the way FF7 does), so Mog probably gets his MC2 in the next one.  My prediction is the next FF6 event will be some sort of Empire related event, releasing Kefka's MC2, re-releasing Terra's BSSB on the banner (Tidus and Cecil just had similar treatment), Celes gets an En-Ice Soul Break which is a running trend now, and Leo will be a new character because he's apparently in high enough demand and if they made Braska a character in a recent FF10 event...well, no, Braska is more important in FF10 than Leo in FF6 is, but Leo was actually playable! 

Mog will probably be tossed on there because "Why not?" situation; he was put in with Locke/Shadow's event for an MC1 for similar filler purposes after all. 

For simplicity, given my team, "Beatrix" refers to the PC, and "UBeatrix" refers to the boss.

That said, mastered Ultimate Beatrix.  Planet Protector failed, I tried a Seiken Stock Break RW strategy for flexibility, then learned it has a LOWER RATE than Shadowsteel, then went back to Banishing Strike on Steiner, and Shadowsteel on Tyro.  It was brought to my attention that Full Break + Steal Power/Power Breakdown wasn't really much better than one of those solo, so I decided to tweak things a bit and give Tyro Lifesiphon.    I don't need Sentinel Grimoire until after Climhazzard to prepare for Stock Break and Holy, but being able to KNOW I'll have Sentinel Grimoire ready later in the fight at any given moment to pop when Tyro has a spare turn?  Yeah, that made a meaningful difference since my best Mitigation was never down.  His damage was superfluous as is, since with Hand of the Emperor + Armor Break, he was doing like 2400 with Lifesiphon, so whatever. 
Used Hand of the Emperor as my RW because that worked on my victory run; it boosted Vaan's damage to near 10k per shot with Tempo Flurry after Steal Power, and had a similar effect on Zidane, gave me a slight defense push, and made Steiner's Armor Strikes hit really hard, so only Beatrix was really suffering on the damage end compared to Planet Protector (again, Tyro's damage sucked regardless.)  The damage boost my Thief gets from HotE offset the damage loss from PP Beatrix.

My set up (not putting equipment; just know it's all 5* stuff with only synergy being Yuna using Garnet's Storm Staff and a few 4* FF9 Power Belts.)

Beatrix: Memento of Prayer, Armor Break, Freedom's Wish.
Mostly exists to be a semi-tanky character who can cast Memento of Prayer to offset Stock Break's Sap at will.  Armor Break was R5, and it boosted Steiner and Zidane's damage slightly, so felt about as good as any; her damage did register unlike Tyro's, but it was also the least important part of the fight.  Worth noting she also had Mystery Veil for Mystic Prayer, since it was an extra 750~ MT Healing to use after the 2nd Climhazzard, when the HP push could be necessary.

Zidane: Tempo Flurry, Steal Power, Katana Master (he was using Auron's Shimmering Blade).
On hindsight, he should have gotten Freedom's Wish since his damage was more important, but whatever, pretty straightforward what his role was.  Steal Power -> Tempo Flurry x2.  Steal Power's slight increased time over Power Breakdown, and Tempo Flurry's fast charge times, he could always act twice in between.

Tyro: Using a ranged weapon (Aevis Killer), Shadowsteel, Lifesiphon, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Exists for Sentinel Grimoire, inflicting Sap, and...that's about it. 

Yuna: Protectga, Curaja, Mako's Might
Healer, who has HotF to counter Climhazzard.

Steiner: Armor Strike, Banish Strike, Dragoon's Determination
My 2nd highest damage dealer after Zidane, gets BOTH the medal conditions, and is a tank so adds that extra layer of reliability.


The big thing about this fight was getting Yuna enough turns to have Hymn for the 2nd Climhazzard.  Getting her Sapped early screws me up here, so I Lifesiphon the first few turns since unlike Full Break, timing is pointless on that skill; +150 Soul Break is +150 Soul Break, so firing off a few shots early is better than later.  Shadowsteel spam after first Climhazzard to get her sapped and that should be good for most of the fight, hopefully reapplying it on subsequent ones so it doesn't run out.  If I get Sap too early, I'm hoping she hits Yuna a bunch to get her gauge high enough for HotF after the 2nd Climhazzard.  If I inflict Sap AFTER the first Climhazzard?  Yuna should get just enough turns, especially if UBeatrix hits her once or twice to get HotF ready.  If Sap doesn't connect, I'm basically SoL since the DPS it adds is massive.  Naturally on the winning run, Tyro gets Shadowsteel to hit on the 2nd attempt or so, which is adequate.  After first Stock Break, Beatrix casts Memento of Prayer to insure I'm not sapped after the 2nd Climhazzard, otherwise spams Armor Break, while Steiner and Zidane just do their things.  Yuna's turns are the real key one, since I need to make sure Protectga is always up, need to make sure I use Curaja fast, and make sure I keep looking at Beatrix's health such that Yuna can start charging HotF the instant Climhazzard gets used. 

Worth noting that Steiner was the one to use the RW both times since his damage relies on it more anyway.  Also because UBeatrix decided to murder Beatrix with Holy late in the fight anyway.  Thanks to there being no special death condition, I went with it; Beatrix's damage as I said, while not pointless, wasn't integral.  If Stenier or Zidane died, I'd be screwed thanks to lack of DPS.  If Yuna died, I'd probably be screwed too since Curaja insures I can always survive Shock, and not having that is scary.  If Tyro dies...meh, whatever, Sentinel Grimoire was already cast, so he was expendable too.  Basically, Holy cna kill off one of Beatrix or Tyro late in the fight and I'd be fine; the other 3 not so much.  So UBeatrix offing Beatrix wasn't a big deal.

So yeah, glad that's over with, let's actually finish the Elite part of the FF12 event now!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 05, 2016, 01:51:42 PM
FF6 gets events fairly frequently (just not MONTHLY the way FF7 does), so Mog probably gets his MC2 in the next one.

...

Mog will probably be tossed on there because "Why not?" situation

yeah no shit

EDIT: Yeah, Neph, I'm kinda surprised Golbez didn't get an MC2 either. They really seem to be cleaning up the MC2-less characters at this point (There's been, what, ~5 MC2s per event since the New Year's Orbfest? Yeah, they cleanin' house.), and I would imagine people probably care more about Golbez's MC2 than, uh, Edge's or Gilbert's.

EDIT2: The more I read about the Beatrix boss fight makes me sad I missed it. It sounds like a really solid, no-bullshit strategy fest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 05, 2016, 02:22:12 PM
Quest system going away, begin panicking now those who haven't kept up.

Also weekend orbfests.  Begin panicking now people who barely play this game anymore (me).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 05, 2016, 02:34:07 PM
Wow, that Quest system upgrade is happening -really- early. I wonder if they're going to be adding extra Quests for all the content between now and when it was introduced in JP?

Doesn't bother me either way, got all those Quests finished up ages ago.

Weekend Orbfest though... damn, the ONE weekend a year I have work (Art Festivals at the schools)....

I will have to live vicariously through Snow's exploits.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 05, 2016, 02:46:26 PM
MC2s for FF6 are going to be released in massive bulk (like what happened on the Figabros sequel) because the cast is so huge. And they still have Umaro and Gogo to release as PCs at an absolute minimum. I'd be interested in seeing a Mog SSB, though. For all that my squee for healer/musical support stuffed animals is mostly reserved for Cait Sith some six months down the line. He actually gets Summon-capable MAG stats alongside fine Mind after his second level cap break due to good growths and he's currently the bulkiest magic-inclined healer in the game (Mog would likely at least match him after his MC2). His relic SBs are also pretty hot.

EDIT: NEW QUESTS FINALLY I GET TO NO LONGER BE BOTHERED BY THE USELESS CRAFT 5* SKILLS I WON'T EVER USE QUESTS

EDIT2: Yeah, Zenny, for all the frustration I went through with Ultimate Beatrix, it stemmed solely from figuring out her various set patterns properly, which is the fun kind of frustrating. She's all about method and control and it's a pretty satisfying fight in the boiling of eggs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 05, 2016, 08:42:02 PM
Mmm.  So they say you need to finish any old quests you want by 2/17, so presumably that or the 18th is when the new system goes up.  So system update that day...
Am I being too optimistic in thinking we might be getting the Chamber of Recollection or whatever when they switch over?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 05, 2016, 08:58:31 PM
According to Reddit yes, because the new quest system is tied in with it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 06, 2016, 02:13:13 AM
Wow, that Quest system upgrade is happening -really- early. I wonder if they're going to be adding extra Quests for all the content between now and when it was introduced in JP?

The main thing they would be missing would be the quests added to let you get characters who won't be out for a while. Between when I started and when they introduced the Mission system in JP, there weren't that many new ones. Rikku, Yuffie, and Shadow, I think?

Also, it isn't like they did anything with the quests other than that between Terra's event and its introduction to JP. There were no time-sensitive quests whatsoever, to the point that it made me think they had just forgotten about the system period. Maybe you guy will actually have event-related quests because of this?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 06, 2016, 02:20:59 AM
Orbfest started.  Not much to say beyond the EXP Rates seem high again, and minicactuars seem identical to regular enemies, with the main difference you fight 5 of them at once instead of just 2, and the EXP rewards are unchanged per enemy, making you get a lot more.  So it's mostly EXP + larger quantity, contrast to Cactuars and Gigantuars which existed for better rewards.  Given the existence of Orb Conversion, raw quantity is that much more meaningful granted.

Also Penelo's Bonus Fights popped, I will proceed to ignore them for a few days!  I did the 100 Gem pull and...got an FF3 Golem Staff.  Well, I guess it's expected after the Lohegrin from the previous banner.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 06, 2016, 08:11:06 AM
*100 gem draw*  FFV crystal mail!  Well, 4 star armor isn't a bad thing.
...y'know, the game did hand me 10 mythril worth of levelling stages...
*single draw*  "Oohh five star... Zwil Crossblade.  Well then"
Thanks for yet another gift, surprise orbfest!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 06, 2016, 08:25:51 AM
Been trying to get a 5* Bow for a while, and my FF12 synergy could be better, so this was a good banner to pull on. Two 11-pulls netted me a bunch of generic 5*s... Oh well, a 6* FF12 Staff with MT cura shared SB might actually come in handy outside of FF12 realms. Also, I got another Protectga vest and the Lohegrin. Some nice workhorse 5*s but no character relics out of two 11-pulls is still disappointing. Not as disappointing as getting 11 white orbs, though, which has happened to me twice too many times. >.>;;

Orbfest looks fun, but holy crap working a weekend festival for the kids two days straight is killing me, I'm gonna nap and hope the game farms itself....  :-\
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 06, 2016, 09:47:53 AM
Not really, they likely want to put it up before AC Cloud's event so the MC Lodes given as prizes aren't wasted. They -did- introduce Rosetta Stones and augments just for the FF14 collab, after all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 06, 2016, 10:58:29 AM
Dang dude, the Ultimate Turks have been causing me resets with my BSSB team. Having Elena always go first is just mean, and Elena's AI is reaaaally good about targetting people setting up defensive moves with her confusion skill.

I think, though, once I get past the first few turns finally, it should be a relatively easy battle. Just gotta keep mitigation up and make sure I'm cranking out damage.

Even with 300+ defense in both stats thanks to synergy 7* Vinny's Coat, Ramza takes 4 digit damage from Rude's Leg Sweep. These guys mean bidnass.

...

OK, beaten. There doesn't seem to be any low-HP AI changes, so the fight's all about that first round, and once Elena's dead it's pretty smooth sailing (god that Confuse is annoying). 
Thinking about a BSSB-less go (SSB-less takes away my MT Healing and Hastega, so, uh, not happening),, I can probably pull it off with Ramza/Zack/Thancred/Mog/Aeris, slotting Steal Power and Dismissal on Thancred, and Dr. Mogs Teachings/Mako Might on Zack/Aeris. I could also go with Agrias instead of Thancred to slot Protectga on her, and slot Break Fever on Mog. That's probably the better idea, despite her not having a worthwhile SB, just because she's L80 and Thancred is still L67. My offense would be ass for the first part of the fight, but having an MT heal ready to go after I get my buffs up and having Haste throughout are both probably more important than the attack boost for the first 5 rounds or so.

Before that, though, I may as well take on Suckaroth. Looks like a beefed up version of the Reunion Sephiroth fight... counter Attack + Hastes ahoy. This'll be annoying.

EDIT: Actually less annoying than the Turks! One reset because I let SG slip and then everyone died. Haste counters aside, the fight's a pure DPS check. Save up your pure-damage SBs for his final phase and then stop worryin' bro. I may try this out sans-BSSB but honestly it's not a very interesting fight so meh. His OWA phase has a lot of shit to throw at you, but no more so than any other boss that just starts hitting you with MT damage in their final phase (there are a lot of them). Maybe Meteo's threatening? I dunno, thanks to Tyro's BSSB it never hit me. #IAmThe1%

EDIT2:
Quote from: One Winged Bagel
Eggs, bread,
Ham and cheese,
No mayo, mustard please

Pick-les
Vinegar,
Lettuce and some veggies

SAND-WI-CHES.
SAND-WI-CHES.

I'm real hungry.

Need food in me.

Sit in the seat

now here I eat.

Eggs, bread,
Ham and cheese,
No mayo, mustard please

Pick-les
Vinegar,
Lettuce and some veggies

SAND-WI-CHES.

SAND-WI-CHES!

(Instrumental)

Many many many mouths,
Spread em wide and munch it up,

Many many many mouths,
Spread em wide and munch it up,

*Violins*

Many many many mouths,
Spread em wide and munch it up,

Many many many mouths,
Spread em wide and munch it up,

(Do-you-want-it-toast-ed-or-not?)

Many many many mouths,
Spread em wide and munch it up,

Many many many mouths,
Spread em wide and munch it up,

(Do-you-want-it-toast-ed-or-not?)

Many many many mouths,
Spread em wide and munch it up,

Many many many mouths,
Spread em wide and munch it up.

(Do-you-want-it-toast-ed-or-not?)

Many many many mouths,
Spread em wide and munch it up,

Many many many mouths,
Spread em wide and munch it up.

SANDWICHES!

SANDWICHES!

Sephiroth just wanted to own a chain of sandwich shops, too bad Obama's anti-small business regulations prevented him from doing so.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 06, 2016, 09:04:47 PM
This weekend orbfest is pretty amazing. Trash and Mini-Cactuars can drop Greater Orbs and Cactuar/Gigantuar drops are guaranteed Greater/Major Orbs, so I might be able to pull off R3 Meteor by the time I'm done with that. Ultimate Vossler can wait til Monday.

EDIT: Nevermind, just honed Meteor to R3.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 07, 2016, 04:12:58 PM
I'm one Major Black Orb away from an R2 Meteor myself.  I could easily get it with Orb Conversion but I KNOW the instant I hone it, the next run of the orbfest will give me a Major Black Orb, so I'll wait til the event is over before crafting, honing, etc.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 07, 2016, 11:44:45 PM
Why is Meteor suddenly a priority? Or is it just because this particular event is throwing those orb-types at us?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 08, 2016, 02:15:15 AM
Black, Fire and Earth, which covers almost all of Meteor's requirements (misses Non-Elemental), so yeah. Meteor will also be useful for Ultimate Vossler right now and Bahamut SIN not long down the line. Also should make a mockery out of Ultimate Necrophobe.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 08, 2016, 01:10:59 PM
Ultimate Vossler beaten. Not too bad, though you probably shouldn't worry too hard about losing a PC on the final stretch of the fight - the winning run had my Y'shtola biting it to a Quadruple Strike from near-full HP when Vossler was at 15%~ or so HP. YOLO ensued and I still eked out mastery.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 08, 2016, 04:45:37 PM
Quest system going away, begin panicking now those who haven't kept up.

Also weekend orbfests.  Begin panicking now people who barely play this game anymore (me).

Those are both me! I'll likely end next week with 60+ unfinished quests, will at least try to get the leveling ones that I've missed done but the crafting ones are so fiddly that I don't want to bother. And the orbfest fell at the end of my vacation so I carved out time for one clear of each dungeon and a couple runs of the orb + dungeon at the airport and that was it. Got a bunch of Greaters and a Major Earth anyway, so I'll take it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 08, 2016, 06:01:23 PM
Aaaaand Ultimate Vossler Mastered.  Had at least half a dozen tries where I got him to <10% HP before he just blew up half my team.

...Probably would've been easier had I actually gone in with more offense, but whatever.  I did it, and I never have to do it again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 08, 2016, 10:24:37 PM
Ultimate Vossler mastered.  Took only 3 tries, mostly a case of getting a feel of the fight and when to drop certain aspects.

Team:
Vaan (65): Lohegrin, Genji Helm (VI I think? The one with Divine Majesty), Some Strength Boosting Accessory, R5 Tempo Flurry, R3 Steal Power, Dragoon's Determination
Cecil (65): Diamond Sword++ (XII), Viking's Coat, Godo's Mask, R4 Dispel, R3 Armor Strike, Self Sacrifice
Tyro (70): Ras Alghetti, Eden's Coat, Omega Badge, R3 Banish Blade, R3 Lifesiphon, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Rinoa (60): Bronze Mace++, Mystery Veil, Magic Gloves, R2 Meteor, R4 Waterja, Devotion
Yuna (64): Lullaby Rod, Priest's Miter, whatever my best Mind Boosting accessory was, R2 Protectga, R4 Curaja, Mako's Might
RW: Hand of the Emperor

The roles should be pretty clear, but I'll cover them nonetheless.  Vaan was again a primary damage dealer, having a natural 5* with Synergy (Lohegrin is 1 away from Blazefire Sabre, so it's not even a bad one), and Steal Power, which means double duty as he's also covering Mitigation.  His one weakness is lack of a decent Soul Break, but I guess Red Spiral is OK if he really needs a damage push.  Mostly though, Tempo Flurry lasted the fight; I think he ran out of ammo on his last turn and had to use a basic physical but overall, wasn't meaningful.  Tempo Flurry chosen for a few reasons:

-one of my few R5 skills, and with Vaan having one slot for Steal Power, there you go
-2 Hits, thought he might break 10k with HotE and Steal Power; he doesn't sadly (Though he wasn't far)
-Inflicts Slow, which is a condition; if he can hit with it, I won't have to manipulate things for Rinoa later.  Winning Run, go figure, he doesn't, so bah
-It's a fast skill, so it helps insure 2 turns between Steal Powers.  Might not be necessary, but the extra insurance is handy

Cecil because I needed 3* Magic user and I wanted someone who can do OTHER THINGS.  I could have given it to Rinoa, but well, I'll get to that later.  Cecil honestly just ended up being the perfect fit.  Let's look at everything he was able to do in this fight:

-Dispel for the condition.  Also he can use it to get rid of Reflect and Rinoa's damage is roughly similar to his boosted Armor Strike anyway, so it's an even trade
-Armor Strike w/ Shield Grimoire and Hand of the Emperor hits really hard, like 7k hard.  Yeah, not as good as Vaan, but it's note-able.
-Tank, making him great for Quadruple set ups, especially since I gave him the Viking Coat (5* Synergy armor!)

Self Sacrifice was pretty much a perfect fit here of course, won't have to get into why.  Basically, Cecil casts dispel when necessary, getting the condition and removing Reflect, has 6 turns of really good damage with an occassional "ok" hit with Cerulean Shock.  When he runs out of Ammo?  He simply defends the rest of the fight.  At this point, Vossler is in his Quadruple Phase, and Cecil backed up by all the mitigation defending basically was always my highest HP Character even after being hit with *2* Quadruples, so Yuna focuses on healing him everyturn, and so long as my mitigation doesn't fall behind, I'm good.

Tyro's there because Shield Grimoire basically, because why else?  Unlike Beatrix, his offense was meaningful here, at least with HotE.  He was using a 5* Synergy weapon after all, in Back Row no less.  Lifesiphon of course insured he'd get SG built up before it ran out so I wouldn't be caught without it, Banishing Blade is that extra Dispel option to stop Enrage and Reflect.

Now you might question why I chose Rinoa as my Black Mage instead of Ashe, who is similar leveled AND has Synergy.  The answer?  Angelo Quake.  The 100% chance of inflicting Slow AND still hitting Vossler for about 5.5k meant she was an ideal Black Mage here.  Turns out this was the right call because, as I said, Vaan didn't get any Slow activation with Tempo Flurry, so Rinoa squeezing in Angelo Quake right before the 2nd knight died insured I got the req.  Otherwise?  She casts Meteor in the first 4 turns, hitting all targets for high damage; I mathed it out and even if she hit 9999 every shot, Vossler would still be in his initial phase when she ran out of Meteors, so obvious opening.
Also, I needed a Black Mage for this fight anyway, given his condition.  Meteor insured that I never had to worry about Reflect screwing me over.  Generally though, I had enough Dispel that Rinoa could use Waterja fine, so long as I never fired it off until I waited for his actions.

Yuna...you know the routine by now.  She has Hymn of the Fayth and thus is my staple White Mage in all content.  The only notable change is I have Curaja at R4 now, which is meaningful since it insured I could always offset his damage against Cecil putting him back at #1 health to eat more quadruples.  Protectga was an obvious 2nd move because the only magic attack is from his support, which Shield Grimoire + Heavy Regen is more than capable of handling by itself and they don't last long enough.

Why Hand of the Emperor?  Similar to Beatrix, the defense push is quite handy and it was a better boost than what Planet Protector gives since it stacks with Steal Power, as well as increasing Armor Strike by a similar amount due to how that works.



Overall? I think this was the best handled Ultimate thus far.  There really felt like minimal RNG involved in it; it was really a case of just learning the pace of the fight and how to handle things.  While Beatrix wasn't bad there was still that "Don't cast Holy, don't cast Holy, PLEASE DON'T CAST HOLY!" moments and all that.  Here?  Vossler actually is scripted in how his moves work in a way you can build around, and plan accordingly.  It's the first Ultimate where I felt like I had a sense of control of the fight, instead of "things will be fine if the RNG doesn't hate me!"  Again, Beatrix was definitely a step in the right direction, since a big thing with her was her targeting WASN'T random, for her notable moves, but Vossler felt like they took another step in the right direction, more asking you to play very cautiously, as RNG was a very minor factor.  Yeah what moves he does was random, but a lot of how they work means it didn't really matter if you were planning right; it's all about having the right resources and using them appropriately.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 09, 2016, 01:17:47 AM
Kefka event out! So, I decided to pull here. 100-gem... a 5* Gaia Gear! Not a bad start, I guess. 11-pull... two 5*s, one sparkly. Another Gaia Gear and... Kefka's Lamia Flute. I get to summon the awesome laugh at will.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 09, 2016, 01:25:18 AM
Did the 100-Gem pull...  Trash.

Did an 11-pull...  7 pieces of trash, a 4* FF7 Katana (of which I already have one, so now Sephiroth is slightly better...  So long as the Shark still doesn't have more ATK than it), two Gaia Gears, and Terra's Maduin's Horn.

I just did the pull for a chance at Mog's Sunbath, and came out WAY better than expected.

So, quick poll: keep Red's Lunatic High, or switch to Terra's SSB?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 09, 2016, 01:29:18 AM
Terra's SSB will likely earn you more monies short-term. Do master it first, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on February 09, 2016, 02:17:03 AM
no drill, Mr. VSM luck confirmed

(http://i.imgur.com/ySfVWoWl.png)

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 09, 2016, 02:18:20 AM
3-pull, nothing good.  Made Exploding Fist, but I'll have to wait until orbfest weekend to hone it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 09, 2016, 03:25:53 AM
Did two more 11-pulls and two 3-pulls with my remaining mythril. No Maduin's Horn, but two Holy Lances, two more Gaia Gears and a Thief's Bracer are good enough for me, and I even got to combine a few more synergy 4*s. One more for the Mog is awesome club.

EDIT: Mang, this is actually even better than I thought. Mog's gonna be a lot easier to slot into my physical parties than Rikku and at L25, his lance is actually a great synergy physical weapon (for starters, it breaks 100 attack without synergy...). That'll be nice on Lightning or Balthier's hands - heck, maybe even Edgar's - in FF6 dungeons. Meanwhile, I needed more FF6 synergy armor and like I'd skip an excuse to use Kefka. His flute's even the best weapon I have for pure magic before synergy. I'm happy with this haul.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 09, 2016, 12:27:21 PM
Currently frolicking through Kefka event Elite. I'm sandbagging the trash just so I get to use Havoc Wing at least once per dungeon. Even tossing aside the SB, though, Kefka's a really fun PC. Setting him up with Mana's Paean and Lulu's RW is fun times and he's a lot more practical about it than, say, Eiko. The 4* Dancer tag should also come in handy for Ultimate Necrophobe next week. Too bad about the 6+ month wait for his MC2, but I'll enjoy this while I can.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 09, 2016, 02:12:53 PM
Snow: I hate you. I wanted that thing so badly 6 months ago. At least I got Holy Lance out of those draws, though.

I think running dungeon all day erry day for a week AND not getting thyrus despite that burned me the hell out. I've barely touched the game except to run through stamina to farm, and in a major breakthrough I've let stamina just accumulate because I was busy (and also distracted by Sim City: Paradox edition). I guess this is good? FF4 U+ battles came out yesterday so I'll do those this week, but otherwise I'm fine letting the game take a backseat to other things for a bit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 09, 2016, 03:29:16 PM
I find that, once you're up to date with content and hones, there's really little reason to play outside events and very specialized farming. I've been letting stamina pile up like mad for at least half the week lately. I suppose that's good, it means the addiction slides down in priority and I don't fret about maximizing stamina anymore.

Tangentially: Lamia's Flute never -did- return in JP, IIRC.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 09, 2016, 08:15:27 PM
"Man this banner is the best one in since December... well we do have those extra mythrils, why not."
*1 draw* "random 4 star.  Yeah that's enough."
*THE NEXT DAY*
"Damn all these people talking about the awesome banner."
*1 draw* "reckt.  Okay fiiine"
*1 draw* "Oooh shiny... thief's bracer?  Y'know... actually okay that should be sufficient.  Actually wait I haven't done Vossler yet, this might save me as skill slot there.  Yeah, good, good."

Sometimes I can't tell if I love or hate this game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on February 09, 2016, 08:19:56 PM
My current strat: Run Wakka/Terra/Sephiroth/Butz/Selphie, stack Status Reels+Magitek Missiles+Black Materia. I'll egg up Kefka and give him what remaining spells I have and try Kefka/Terra/Sephiroth/Wakka/Selphie too.

I need all my mythril to be betrayed by SSBfest so no more drill hope
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on February 09, 2016, 09:22:07 PM
Quote from:  Literally this thread
(http://whyquit.com/whyquit/needlemarlboro.gif)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 09, 2016, 10:13:06 PM
Done with main battles on Kefka event. Highlight: stacking Focus, Mana's Paean and Mental Breakdown on Inferno for a 29k Havoc Wing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 09, 2016, 10:16:44 PM
Poor Life Choices: No 5 star pulls, but a bunch of duplicate 4s that I was able to combine into some new 4+'s, and one 4++.

Also, I just found out that you only have to max one of the items to be combined, instead of both. That's a lot of upmats I wasted.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 09, 2016, 10:53:51 PM
Beat Ultimate Vossler! Let it go this long because work and life are more important than an iphone game (sometimes). Squeeked Mastery out despite Vossler getting cheeky and Quadra-slicing my Yuna to death once he hit <10%. Advantaliated my way to victory again, despite it being probably the least efficient strategy for this fight among any fight in the game. But it's the principal of it. Reddit keeps telling me Advantaliate won't work, and I'm spiteful of Reddit.

Terra event! Yay! 50-mythril pull netted me a Burning Glove and Kefka's motherfuckin' Flute! Suck it, Zenny. That also rounds out my FF6 synergy with a 5* mage weapon finally. And the Burning Glove's fire-damage boosting is gonna roll some fights combined with the fire-boosting 5* Armlet I have and a Firaga Strike-user (Zack, I guess?). Sabin can also make use of it with his SB that I have but not sure it needs a 40% damage boost to hit cap, especially in FF6 realms.

Still no Terra relics. I have 88 more mythril and I may do another pull before the banner's over depending on what's coming up in the next few weeks. Probably not though. Two 5-stars that are actually useful is a good place to stop, and Terra's SSB should be coming back soon enough IIRC.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 10, 2016, 12:29:11 AM
First off, I will say I spent more moeny on this banner than I'm willing to admit, but it did NOT Exceed 3 digits...not even close!  Still, it's something I'm a bit embarassed by but all 4 Character Relics are something I really want.  I have 200 Mithril going into this but not spending it all on this event...just 3 11 pulls worth!

First off, 100 Gem pull...nets me garbage.  Expected!

So first 11 pull?  Gets me Edgar's Drill, and another Assassin's Knife (so I can get 5++* Item).  Ok, Drill's one of those items, and a dagger as strong as Assassin's Knife means every character in the game gets SOMETHING worthwhile even if Keepsake Knife probably will probably see more use just because of Protectga.

2nd 11 pull? Gets me Gaia Gear and...ANOTHER ASSASSIN"S KNIFE!?  THE **** GAME!  2 Darts was bad enough!  *shakes fist*

3rd 11 pull gets me 3 5* Items.  One is an FF10 sword I don't recognize except that it has the ugly yellow design.  I'm thinking that's a cool Tidus Soul Break ma-...no, it's a generic 5* Sword.  Bah.  I think it's stronger than Brotherhood at least, so not a total loss and FF10 Synergy IS useful, even if I have plenty of it.  Then I get a Thief's Bracer?  Ok, banner item with generic soul break, fair enough!  Then I get...some FF12 Robe...well that would have been useful ONE EVENT AGO!!!

I'm now upset, wait a day, and go "Screwit, I WANT ONE OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS! EDGAR'S DRILL ISN'T ENOUGH!"  I do a few more pulls, not saying how many.  What do I get?  ANother Thief's Bracer and Gaia Gear, ok, that's becoming a 6*, no 4* I can make use of, worthless 3* and...Maduin's Horn.

Well crap I...wait, Maduin's Horn?  Ok, I can say it was worth it...well, no, I just spent more money on a game for a freaking in-game item but SCREW YOU TOO!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 10, 2016, 12:32:10 AM
DJ: Maduin's Horn is almost guaranteed to reappear on the SSBreakfast in March and it's absolutely guaranteed to reappear on Relm's second banner, which is overall pretty spectacular. Quitting while you're ahead isn't bad strategy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 10, 2016, 01:24:02 AM
I kept telling myself that but still broke down.  Now granted, I also wanted the Holy Lance which sounds like it's not reappearing ever (though, they may put it on the Celebration Banners, since they tend to change those, the only things confirmed are the featured ones), and Kefka's Lamia's flute which may be on the celebration banners but not confident, so it wasn't like I was pulling ONLY for that.  On the flipside, I already got Edgar's Drill...

I got what I wanted so I can't say I regret doing this, but yeah, I am sucker.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 10, 2016, 03:11:18 AM
I've gone off the deep end before (god, the FF14 event) and the feeling's just ugly. I had to set a hard limit on my pulls after it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 10, 2016, 03:28:01 AM
I may not have been beating Ultimate bosses lately but I can still hold being totally free to play over the rest of your heads.   8-)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 10, 2016, 04:02:12 AM
Tbh cap from past comments you've made your not beating Ult bosses has more to do with the classes you prioritize than being F2P. Ditch your monks for supports and start winnin, bro

Also yes guys come on don't spend money on this game. Just devote every waking second of your thought processes and time to it. Much better.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 10, 2016, 04:09:55 AM
It's also that he doesn't find the stress worth it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 10, 2016, 04:27:12 AM
But how else will you get 6 star mats for skills that actually really suck?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 10, 2016, 04:37:37 AM
We haven't even gotten to that point yet!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 10, 2016, 04:40:32 AM
What do you guys even get for beating Ultimates, then? The 5* accessory and some Major orbs?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 10, 2016, 04:44:42 AM
Yes. You started attempting Ultimates at the exact event the rewards switched around due to the introduction of the Abyss (AC Cloud).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 10, 2016, 04:47:30 AM
Huh, I guess I wasn't actually that far behind in collecting materials for Ultima anyway. Good thing,too, because I got to see how much it sucked before I decided to not bother. May still get Smash Down or the support one, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 10, 2016, 05:13:44 AM
It's honestly weird to reach the point at which you restarted the game for serious. Getting to stomp the Terra MC2 fight where you spent a bunch of Mythril to clear with one clown standing because you were massively underpowered for it will certainly trigger a chuckle or two.

EDIT: It's also vaguely gross to look at how far the game went from the beginning when we were doing shit like farming Vanille's event for ages in hopes of picking up a copy of Thundaja. God, it's been almost a year.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 10, 2016, 05:22:34 AM
Yeah, he wasn't even the +++ fight, as I recall.

Also, now I get to rage as every single one of you fuckers gets some combination of Heal, Scream, and Agrias' Soul Breaks. I really wish I had done more than one pull on that banner way back when.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 10, 2016, 05:55:48 AM
oh please what are the odds of that happening

/me ignores how half of us have the full Wall/Hastega/AoE healing trinity.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 10, 2016, 06:07:03 AM
I actually don't use monks against ultimates.  Main thing holding me back seems to be lack of hastega.  I have enough damage to kill Vossler, but he gets so many actions while I'm charging SBs.  I'm close to beating him though, had him down to literally no pixels left before he wiped my party.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on February 10, 2016, 10:57:50 AM
First off, I will say I spent more moeny on this banner than I'm willing to admit, but it did NOT Exceed 3 digits...not even close!  Still, it's something I'm a bit embarassed by but all 4 Character Relics are something I really want.  I have 200 Mithril going into this but not spending it all on this event...just 3 11 pulls worth!
...
I'm now upset, wait a day, and go "Screwit, I WANT ONE OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS! EDGAR'S DRILL ISN'T ENOUGH!"  I do a few more pulls, not saying how many.  What do I get?  ANother Thief's Bracer and Gaia Gear, ok, that's becoming a 6*, no 4* I can make use of, worthless 3* and...Maduin's Horn.
...
Well crap I...wait, Maduin's Horn?  Ok, I can say it was worth it...well, no, I just spent more money on a game for a freaking in-game item but SCREW YOU TOO!
Quitting while you're ahead isn't bad strategy.

I kept telling myself that but still broke down.  Now granted, I also wanted the Holy Lance which sounds like it's not reappearing ever (though, they may put it on the Celebration Banners, since they tend to change those, the only things confirmed are the featured ones), and Kefka's Lamia's flute which may be on the celebration banners but not confident, so it wasn't like I was pulling ONLY for that.  On the flipside, I already got Edgar's Drill...

I got what I wanted so I can't say I regret doing this, but yeah, I am sucker.

I've gone off the deep end before (god, the FF14 event) and the feeling's just ugly. I had to set a hard limit on my pulls after it.

Also yes guys come on don't spend money on this game. Just devote every waking second of your thought processes and time to it. Much better.

It's also that he doesn't find the stress worth it.

It's also vaguely gross to look at how far the game went from the beginning when we were doing shit like farming Vanille's event for ages in hopes of picking up a copy of Thundaja. God, it's been almost a year.

I really wish I had done more than one pull on that banner way back when.

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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 10, 2016, 01:41:34 PM
Grefter, I'd just give up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on February 10, 2016, 02:09:32 PM
Prince doesn't approve of gambling, clearly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 10, 2016, 03:58:20 PM
Grefter "I stopped playing MMOs and am now better than you" Grefinsky.

In other news Rinoa has a BSSB coming. I don't care! Except my FF8 synergy is shit so I may pull on that banner, but meh. Lord knows there's gonna be an FFT banner just around the bend where Ramza's BSSB boosts all allies' offensive stats by 50% and each Burst attack has a chance of inflicting 3 different statuses each so I'll probably save my mythril, even though my FF8 synergy is literally Irvine's gun and an Ochus' tentacle. Not that I'll get it, but it's the principle of gambling. Go big or go home.

Grefter went home.

Will you go big?

Who is the big man. I'm the big man. It's me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 11, 2016, 01:37:37 AM
In this topic: People gambling responsibly and within their means. Also a guy who mocks them for it~

I do admit though, this particular banner has a bunch of Soul Breaks that all have fuckin' kickass-looking SBs, and anything that makes FF6 sprites jump around the field looking badass is worth a couple bucks to a sprite-art enthusiast like me. Most SBs aren't very visually interesting (the main trinity ones in particular), so it's nice to see them upping their game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 11, 2016, 01:42:21 AM
I'll admit though, I have a certain love for the simplicity of Sentinel Grimoire's animation.

Vossler down.  Strange fight, because while he has a certain ability to just go "fuck you die now" in practice it's not as dangerous as the start of the fight.  Subtle things rig it in your favor; Vossler's accuracy is somewhat suspect, his MT attacks are only middling, and there's not quite enough oomph behind his major gimmick to kill you unless he slams one person at least three times which is rare due to the targetting.  Assuming mitigation is up.
We're officially to the part of the game where not having SG/SSII means you can't use any other RW now though.  Oddly the majority of us do somehow.  Poor poor Yinodin.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 11, 2016, 02:27:15 AM
Vossler feels a lot worse on paper, honestly. Knowing how his targetting works is about half the battle, at which point it becomes fairly controllable until the very end, where you're just blazin' your guns anyway.

So, they raised the MAG softcap in JP to something over 1000. This makes me wonder if they're going to flood the gates with stackable magic buffs. They -did- start handing 30% party-wide MAG buffs with Edward's new SB, so here's hoping.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 11, 2016, 03:21:00 AM
Yep, here comes the return of the mage meta. My hones are ready.

EDIT: FF4 event done. Was really easy. To the point where there is a video of someone doing the U+ fight with no unique SBs, Hastegas, and Walls. And I can really see it, too. Wall didn't feel like an absolute necessity here, as long as I didn't do stupid shit like trigger Valvalis' counters too much. Too bad I'm getting sick of the game a bit (and don't have enough L80 FF4 characters to go for the quest) otherwise that'd be a fun project. Oh well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 12, 2016, 04:11:15 AM
DUNGEON UPDATE WITH FF14 INSTEAD OF BONUS BATTLES WHAT IS THIS TRICKERY DENA
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 12, 2016, 06:30:07 PM
Skullduggery of the highest order, I tell you.

7 hours left until the FF12 event explodes. I can probably fit the MC2 battle into that window somewhere.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 12, 2016, 07:57:56 PM
You can and it's not a -terribly- demanding fight either (y'see, she's vulnerable to Stop). Fran isn't particularly high-priority as a Support without a char relic, but there's also the orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 13, 2016, 12:30:45 AM
Had a great run of Vossler going, everything going smooth... and the game crashes.  fml
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 13, 2016, 02:45:12 AM
You can and it's not a -terribly- demanding fight either (y'see, she's vulnerable to Stop). Fran isn't particularly high-priority as a Support without a char relic, but there's also the orbs.

Missed out - just not enough non-elemental offense to deal with somebody who resists or immunes all spammable elements. Oh well, if I'm going to miss an MC2, this is the one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 13, 2016, 03:28:24 AM
Maduin down.

That was sorta relaxing after the last 4.  And I outright ski[pped one of those.  (you will never be forgiven Barty)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 13, 2016, 05:21:16 AM
Rushed the new event battles. Terra at Level 70 and looking to be my favorite mage for a while, despite having nothing for her to do.

I did the Maduin battle with her and Celes despite it being very VERY non-optimal (Terra's slot could have been taken by Red with his Lunatic High and breakdowns, and I could have given Firaja or Firaga Strike to Tyro or Celes). But it's the principle of it. I REALLY REALLY wish I could get a goddamn SB for Terra so I could finally use my favorite character in an optimal fight....

Anyway, something like 10 resets due to sticking to my principles of "Use Terra" and "Use Advantaliate". I would have been better off with Spellblade spam on my Cloud.

Team:

Cloud (Full RS lv 80) - Retaliate/Blizzara Strike - Swd dmg +20% - Veil of Annulment
Terra (Fake 6* Gravity Rod lv 70) - Magic Breakdown/Firaja R4 - Magic Up/Atk Down - Veil of Protection
Celes (Full RS lv 65) - Thundaga Strike R3/Dispel - Spinning Edge SB
Tyro (6* RS Thrown lv 77) - Lifesiphon/Full Break R2 - Ace Striker - SG/SSB
Yuna (Almost no RS lv 65) - Curaja R4/Shellga - DoubleStrike - Hymn of the Fayth
RW: Luneth Advance

Honestly, due to how Maduin decides to just wipe your SG mid-fight, I think using SG as a RW would actually be far more efficient than bringing Tyro with Lifesiphon/Ace Striker was. It was INCREDIBLY close trying to time both uses of SG due to not being able to gain gauge fast enough without some lucky strikes directly to Tyro. The timing of when people get turns is also incredibly close due to him cutting off my healing abilities constantly just before Yuna gets her turn. Also, Yuna not having any way to gain gauge faster is really difficult. It might have been more useful to throw Mako Might on her but then she would have been just wasting her turns during the Magic Nulling phase. Instead she was actually playing the Advantaliate game.

On my winning run, I managed to properly balance all my debuffs long enough that when he hit me with Ultimate Dispel, I had just hit him with Full Break and Magic Breakdown the turn before, and Tyro's turn came up with a single bar of SB gauge ready for Grimoire-ing. AND I still had one use of Advance left for Cloud (y'see, he Ultimate Dispel'd that two tries in row and I was like 'fuck, instant reset'). Then by some miracle, Yuna survived a Chaos Wing and got a chance to pop Hymn of the Fayth and it was smooth sailing from the there.

He just has a ton of MT pressure and his mastery requirements force you to use 3 important slots that COULD have been for mitigation. Add in randomly losing half your skillset during his Magic Nulling phase and you've got a recipe for resets.

I wanna say it was fun because it was challenging, but it was actually more of a headache than anything else due to trying to mentally juggle all the timers in my head (Retaliate, Full Break, Ultimate Dispel, Magic Null, Magic Breakdown, Advance, Sentinel's Grimoire, everyone's various charging rates for Soul Break gauge) and then praying he didn't decide to focus on any of my low-health characters when I was vulnerable...

If it were less stamina-intense, I might wanna give it a try using a different strategy (All spellbladers for damage, with a bunch of supports, and maybe a healer using non-magical healing?). Terra was just completely inefficient here, but she might have been useful if I'd had Trance Fire or Maduin's Horn. Celes could have been replaced too, but at least she was running Spellblades and has a SB for occasional burst damage. I missed Red's Hastega bad here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 13, 2016, 12:14:51 PM
Ultimate Maduin was pretty chumpy, no S/L involved. I didn't even put up SSII until past the Ultimate Dispel ballpark and honestly hardly felt it. He doesn't even go nuts late in the fight like the other bosses. Pretty relaxing. Also, first Ultimate battle running a full offensive summoner!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 13, 2016, 04:23:21 PM
Maduin mastered, went full spellblade with Lenna, Faris, Balthier, Steiner, Bartz.  Wow, I might actually have time to do some regular dungeons... from DU18.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 13, 2016, 07:44:44 PM
All bonus fights won with my only S/L being against Inferno, who decided halfway through the fight to Petrify Terra.  Decided that while I COULD win, would rather just reset now, and approach the fight better.  Winning run had Setzer get petrified, but at a later point in the fight and he was contributing significantly less in the grand scheme of things (mostly stat breaks.)

It is nice that I was able to beat all the bonus fights when the first dropped but at the same time felt a little un-fulfilling?  I also find it amusing that this ++ Boss is basically identical to the one in the LAST Terra event, with the only change, near as I can tell, being the orb drops...I might farm him for that actually.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 14, 2016, 03:35:43 AM
Things I got today:
Ricard's RM2
Wakka's RM3
Fran's RM3
The promise that I now work on FF6 Elites
+1 Reno Level
A handful of Greater Orbs


EDIT: I suppose I should ask, but is Fran's RM3 useful for physical DPS?  Kongbakpow lists it as a 13% chance, so it's...  1.234x average physical damage over time?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 14, 2016, 04:38:49 AM
It's tied to a proc off her basic physical, so it's worthless in any self-respecting content.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 14, 2016, 05:29:40 AM
It's the same as Blue Moon Barrage from Ranger, so not very useful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 14, 2016, 01:01:48 PM
In somewhat pointless news: I now have R5 Maduin and Valefor. Blessed be orb conversion.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on February 14, 2016, 11:44:01 PM
I can deeply feel my ingrained "But I might these 56 Mega-lixirs later" syndrome striking me whenever I hear about other people's high-level hones. It's probably a result of my Advancing most things to death, but the only thing I actually have at R5 is Retaliate. Oh, Steal HP too, because fuck Yuffie's stupid battles.

I suppose it's one of those things that if you can make due with what you have, you don't necessarily need to change anything -- it's just I always feel bad when I finally hone something because I always wonder "BUT WHAT IF I NEED THEM LATERRRRRRRRR" which of course never happens.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 15, 2016, 12:22:03 AM
Having the benefit of six-months-in-advance knowledge of where the game's gonna be and where I want my own arsenal to be is a bit of a help there. Maduin and Valefor at R5 are, above all, thinking about Summoner Abyss battle, also compounded by the fact I have relevant relic SBs for some of my Summoner PCs (Rydia's Ice Whip, Yuna's Lullaby Rod, Eiko's Golem Flute being the big-name ones). The main benefit of having those two maxed is being able to now use them as full offensive setpieces in big battles without worrying about running out of damage, and then there's the future buff to summons where they become dual-hit. The benefit from hoarding orbs is having them handy -when- you need it, but orb conversion at this point makes this less pressing a matter, since you can just exchange lower orbs for higher and make the most out of any farming you do. Mind, I still have a considerable surplus of Major Summon Orbs (as well as Wind) and Major Non-Elementals I don't have much use for now that I honed Meteor to R3 (and still have a few to spare for some relevant craft/hone), which is why I just went all the way. I had R5 Valefor planned since pretty much day 1 and Maduin felt natural once I finally gave in and crafted it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on February 15, 2016, 01:57:45 AM
Maduin was just as easy as reports claimed it would be; Chaos Wave only did ~1600 with SS2 down (possibly Magic Breakdown as well) and was basically irrelevant with SS2+Boon RW+Magic Breakdown. The idea that Djinn would have any trouble with this fight was totally baffling with all the SBs he has... until I looked at his RM selection. Man, talk about a suboptimal lineup.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 15, 2016, 02:01:23 AM
He's also being stubborn about using Come At Me Bro strats long after they're a valid option, because I guess using a shitty  boring scrub strat that doesn't work anymore is a point of pride now?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 15, 2016, 03:44:40 AM
The main problem with Advantaliate to me now is that it -actually requires more work- than not Advantaliating due to its annoying timing clashes. In a fight where you're not really trying to avoid counters, it's a waste of time and it also kills flexibility, along with being very demanding on your relic draws (it just DOESN'T happen anymore without a native SG/SSII at an absolute minimum). So uh yeah. It's not even a lazyman strat anymore.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 15, 2016, 11:06:56 AM
Uh, I suppose so. It's still the poor man's option mostly because you need one working decent weapon/bangle/accessory to get your damage output up instead of a set of 5, which is more what I was talking about. It was still the best option when I had no really good draws and still sub-R3 4* Hones... basically up until the FFX-2 Ultimate fight. (ignoring the fact that me misreading what stat Sun Bath actually raised probably meant I could have been trying out different strategies well before that)

You're not wrong that it's going to be worse than any other setup for people who have been playing regularly for months, but me rolling my eyes at Djinn's desire to advantaliate everything is because he's essentially going "Let's see how much content I can clear with a crutch" than any commentary about the difficulty he's going to have in doing so.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 15, 2016, 12:02:47 PM
I also went into the fight using a handicap character in SB-less, role-less Terra, and without any foreknowledge about Maduin aside from what Dr. Mog tells you in-game. There wasn't a lot to tell outside of the fact that I set those stipulations for myself and found it challenging.

Also, I'm using the suboptimal Advantaliate strategies because I don't see much talk about them anymore and while there's tons of strategies being talked about, I find it important to make sure that someone gets the Advantaliate data point while we're at it. I barely play the game anymore outside of events and grinding while I'm on the train, so I don't scour Reddit anymore for all the cool things in the game and spend hours planning my perfect party setups. Sorry. It's still fun in short bursts but parts of it feel like a chore so I'm playing it less.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 15, 2016, 02:31:41 PM
Two dungeons left on this DU. I ran Lulu RW/SSII/Shellga/Heathen Frolic/endless waves of AoE damage for Wendigo, with stellar results. Frost Blasts were hitting for about 100 a pop.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 15, 2016, 09:46:38 PM
Just doing random Elites myself.  I have only 138 Stamina to give you an idea how much I left.  Doing the FF5 ones because I have plenty of those and I'll be using this team for the next event that drops tonight anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 15, 2016, 11:55:52 PM
Finished DU18, I think.  Kind of lost track so I may be missing something.  Will do Exdeath event before I start on anything else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 16, 2016, 10:49:14 AM
Two dungeons left on Exdeath's event. Apparently, trees can't wear hats.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 16, 2016, 10:57:15 PM
Goddamn, after seeing Grand Cross as a RW I'm tempted to blow 50 mythril on the banner even knowing it'll certainly end in tears.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 17, 2016, 12:20:08 AM
Eh, I wouldn't. It's neat looking but XDeath still doesn't have an MC2, and in practice absorbing spell charges ends up being not very useful, especially on someone who can't use Magic Lure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 17, 2016, 03:55:24 AM
Yeah, I'd just wait on Celes' SSB instead.

EDIT: All Runic effects have an automatic Magic Lure built in, however, so lacking Knight isn't really relevant.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 17, 2016, 04:52:32 AM
Well, I got Exdeath's Moore Rod myself, so I'm waiting until he masters the SB before I stuff him full of Growth Eggs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 17, 2016, 06:28:03 AM
Oh, really? Yeah OK that makes GC a lot more alluring.

Get it? Getit???

Celes's SSB is still better and the banner also has Terra's SSB reissued. Still, that's a couple months away. The real reason you should save your Mythril is cuz you've got the FFT banner coming up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 17, 2016, 06:37:13 AM
FFT banner, the only banner worth whaling on.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 17, 2016, 12:58:25 PM
FFT and SSB celebrations -both- coming up. It'll be a strenuous month.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 17, 2016, 01:00:17 PM
FFT banner and SSB celebrationsnot the FFT banner -both- coming up. It'll be a strenuous month.

hear i fix 4 u

EDIT: Just hit 50 mythril again, and debating myself on whether to pull on Rinoa's BSSB banner, less because of the BSSB (although a mage BSSB would be lovely), but because Quistis' Hastega + 3 Turns of low-charge actions is kinda nuts and actually on a FF8 character I don't mind. Laguna's gun's there, too, with an Ice damage SSB that imparts Ice Weakness to the enemy after use, and I could use a gun that isn't Valiant. The non-SSB options all seem pretty lackluster though.

On the other hand, while the non-Selphie SSBs are comparatively lackluster on Banner 2, basically every 5* there except Squall's Jacket would be fun to play with. While Irvine's Dark Shot looks like it has a more only situationally useful SSB, Irvine is a character I could justify slotting more easily as well. Hmmm.

Regardless, my 8 synergy is really hopeless, and JP just released an apparently-hard version of Ifrit for Dive Record orbs that I could probably get the use-FF8-characters-only quest reward for if I beef up my 8 synergy and go through my supply of Growth Eggs. So, I'll probably pull on one of these. Maybe do a Cult of 3 pull on each and then an extra CO3 pull on the other?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 17, 2016, 02:04:31 PM
Banner 1 definitely looks more appealing out of those two, though a point in 2's favor is that Seifer actually looks halfway appealing as a Knight with Darkness and double cap-breaking. So, his SSB certainly wouldn't hurt either. In the end, it depends on what you want to prop up more: magic, banner 1. Physicals, banner 2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 17, 2016, 05:19:24 PM
Honestly I don't plan to pull more than the 100 gems on the SSB fest banners; none of the new SBs look amazing.  We'll probably know tomorrow morning what's actually on them, so maybe some of the total packages will be great, but I doubt any'll be as nice as FFT.

Mind, my only SSB is Tidus's which.... Has problems, both in that water resist is annoyingly common (at least in FFX) and Tidus himself pretty bad at base without the SSB boost; he keeps not being optimal.  So another SSB would be nice but... Not worth whaling unless one of these banners gets all the good stuff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 18, 2016, 02:15:24 AM
Continuing my run of bad luck, got a 4-star from the Daily Draw.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 18, 2016, 09:19:59 AM
Yeah, I settled on Banner 1 and then looked at the FF5 event coming up and saw Faris had a BSSB. I really don't need more FF5 synergy but fuck it, FF5 is a better game than FF8. I'll probably do 3 pulls on each FF8 banner then save up Mythril for an 11 pull on the Faris BSSB banner.

Also, hey! Given the pattern of recent events having Missions where you have to beat the U/U+ bosses with an all-RS team, I may actually be able to do this one! Gilgy/Bartz/Faris are all L80, Lenna is L65 (and healers can get away with that), and I'd just have to pump up one of ExDeath, Krile, or Galuf to L70+ to make them usable. Galuf's higher level, but Krile would be more useful probably.

Speaking of, super in the future but y'all may wanna start making sure you have decent all-realm synergy parties if you wanna try for those. FFX's offered nothing special, but I think from FF7 onward they started offering Record Dive rewards.

Anyway, I proudly didn't play this morning then used up my stamina going through the FF8 event. L65 Squall/Selphie, L55 Seifer, and L35 Quistis/Irvine actually did better than I expected and beat the Elite+ Boss without much trouble. Couldn't get them past Ultima weapon, but oh well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 18, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
A wild FUNCTIONAL QUEST SYSTEM appeared!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 18, 2016, 03:00:18 PM
They also translated WoL's throwaway accessory event and added all events up to Vincent's to the database. Yes, this includes FFT. Don't expect translations until March 14, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on February 18, 2016, 06:25:31 PM
Terras daddy mastered.

Still waiting for the crazy ssb and ssssb events to start. Fft needs to hurry up already.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 18, 2016, 07:10:31 PM
Also, if anyone's interested, Bartz finally got his long due Combat 5 upgrade.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 18, 2016, 08:06:38 PM
If only DeNA hadn't decided to gum up the works and keep the Hall of Rites an anniversary thing.  Not like it gunks up other mechanical changes and difficulty spike that more L80 characters would be really nice against.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 18, 2016, 08:16:04 PM
It'll be pretty awkward with Cloud's AC event. "Hey, get these nifty items there's no mechanic to use with yet!".
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on February 18, 2016, 08:18:15 PM
Or, even worse, if we get the Nightmare/Abyss dungeon and we can't get certain black mages to a higher level because their MC2 doesn't exist!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 18, 2016, 08:34:53 PM
If we're lucky, they replace the Crystals and Lodes in the AC event with Mythril or something, then just have a lump gift of those items when Abyss and Hall of Rites do open for everyone, but I don't think DeNA has their shit together enough to do something like that.

Well, no.  If we were LUCKY they'd just add the Hall of Rites tonight and go "SURPRISE" but I got the impression the launch date for it was in the datamine from the update.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 18, 2016, 08:36:12 PM
Those MC2s were released alongside the Hall of Rites in JP anyway, don't expect that to change at all. IIRC, Hall of Rites and Nightmare were both slated for late March in the game data.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 18, 2016, 09:06:12 PM
The general point of "this is inconvenient and we should get additional free stuff for it" remains however.

So setting aside having to redo Jenova DEATH and Exdeath due to critical fails at reading boss scores, I'm down to like five remaining Elites.  That's, like, "be done the next day I have to sit down and dungeon all day" territory.  Scary stuff.  WE have left...
-FFIII's Lake Dohr.  Should be pretty manageable now that I have Meteor to balance out lacking FFIII synergy, just requires building around Drawtaliate to cover Leviathan's petrify shenanigans.
- FFIV's Lunar Subterrane 5.  Probably the one I'm most worried about, because it's a fight that really wants full tilt trinity but I don't think Sahz can survive the opening fuck you.  Nothing terribly valuable from this one though so maybe it can just sit and taunt me for a while, we'll see.
- FFV's Island Shrine.  I'm informed Wendigo only has like 50k HP so knowing how to cheese the targetting makes it a non-issue.  If I hadn't fucked up Exdeath I'd have probably cleared it in fact, but silly CK messed up a stamina refresh.
- FFV's Black Fork Tower.  Been a while since I needed a mage party, probably one do to last since it'll require a completely specific party set.
- FFVI's Dreamscape 2.  I should bloody well get this one done for the extra Mana Spring.

Hmm.  It'll be weird for grindans to be the main thing to do all the days.  Which will probably actually amount to "log in, run dungeon a couple times, set game down."  Freaky.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 18, 2016, 09:13:33 PM
I've been there for a long time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 18, 2016, 09:22:20 PM
Sure, but back then you always had another DU about two days away just when you caught up.  We've got like a month now.  It'll be strange to just see all those glowey blues sitting there uncontested.

Alternately: and that's how you had so much free time to tell everyone else to gitgud.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 18, 2016, 09:29:40 PM
Speaking of which, Gordon buffs came too late for VSM.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 18, 2016, 11:08:37 PM
My daily routine is log in, do daily draw, turn game off.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 19, 2016, 02:45:04 AM
Did a 12-pull on the second banner, got Faris's Yoichi's Bow and the Shared SB Partisan.

With all my mitigation, Ultimate Necrophobe was...  Kind of a joke.  Even had time to throw the Dragon Gauntlet on Exdeath for the Fire damage requirement, at that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 19, 2016, 03:11:56 AM
AoE and weakness-hitting completely obliterates Ultimate Necrophobe. I went full mage meta and blew him up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 19, 2016, 04:17:50 AM
3 pull on second banner got me another Al Bhed Jumper (X).

http://memegenerator.net/instance2/4378429

At least I got the combine an armor mission out of the way!

Went half and half against Necrophobe with Lenna, Krile, Exdeath, Bartz, Gilgamesh.  All the 9999s.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on February 19, 2016, 04:13:34 PM
Flashing Blade or whatever it is is also pretty great for that fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 19, 2016, 05:35:52 PM
Yep. ITE + AoE will do that. The mult is finally something worth considering for a physical skill.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 19, 2016, 06:18:13 PM
Ultimate Necrophobe was a joke.  I found the 3 Pigs a more challenging fight because it abuses all of RK's annoying design quirks.

Set up for Ultimate Necrophobe:

Bartz: Rune Axe++, Genji Helm (FF6), Omega Badge, Fira Strike R3, Blizzara Strike R4, Attunement II
Exists to nail two weaknesses and can do so reasonably hard.  Genji Helm for the added Res boost soul break insurance.

Faris: Aevis Killer, Edin's Coat, Vossler's Gauntlet, Magic Breakdown R4, Full Break R2, Dragoon's Determination
Stat buster, pretty straight forward, has an MT Soul Break to help in the first part if that lasts too long, also lowers his defenses in the 2nd half a bit while being reasonable damage.

Tyro: Darts+, Gaia Gear+ (FF6), Godo's Mask, Lifesiphon R4, Carbuncle R3, Dr. Mog's Teachings
As usual, his damage is not really meaningful (1300~ with Lifesiphon), pure utility.  Opens with Carbuncle to shut down a large part of the first phase, Shield Grimoire afterwards, spam Lifesiphon so I can get SG's reused.

Yuna: Lullaby Rod, Priest's Miter, Yuna's Obi, Curaja R4, Shellga R2, Mako's Might
Healer, has Shellga because it helps a lot here, Priest's Miter for the death resistance, HotF for my MT Healing and Heavy Regen even helps with Reflect up.  Uses Basic physicals mostly in first phase for gauge gaining since she can't heal.  Amusingly, I did cast Curaja near the end of Carbuncle on Terra once, ended up healing him, which was enough to ruin a DRAMATIC SYLDRA FINISH!!!!! by Faris meaning Bartz had to finish him off with a generic Fira Strike, ruining the moment.  Ah well...

Terra: Maduin's Horn, Minerva Bustier, Terra's Pendant, Thundaja R3, Meteor R2, Devotion
Exists to nuke the first phase with Meteor, Thundaja to hit the 3rd weakness in the 2nd half, with occasional Magitek Missile Soul Break (13-16k depending upon what Debuffs are up, so yeah, better than Thundaja which was just 9999)  Minerva Bustier used because it's Magic is almost Armlet/Hat level but the defenses are substantially better.

RW: Oerba's Boon.  I lacked Protectga, and it's extra healing during Carbuncle, so ideal fit here.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 19, 2016, 07:24:12 PM
Weekend orbfest this weekend! And, as a preface to the shenanigans, today's daily dungeon yielded me two Major Orbs (a Dark and a Holy) and about ten Greaters evenly split over four runs. My body, it is ready (even though I'm likely not doing much if any in the way of refreshes due to having a very large supply of all orbs featured in this weekend).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 20, 2016, 04:17:11 AM
I get so many Gigantaurs in the upgrade mat dungeons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 20, 2016, 12:47:16 PM
Finished the first runs of each dungeon, now to only touch the highest level Wind/Lightning/White Orb dungeon!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 20, 2016, 01:17:41 PM
Grind, grind, grind your cores, gently down the event/Merrily, merrily, merrily, RMs are but a dream

On less useless news, farmed Samurai's second RM. Only Gladiator and Viking left (okay, and Josef's, but I'm never farming -that- one at this point).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 20, 2016, 06:26:51 PM
Isn't Josef's RM only good if you're abusing Retaliate Meta anyway?  That was the impression I got since 1.2x damage spread over hits doesn't seem useful for really anything other than being an extra person alongside Tempo Flurry and Double Cut.

ON THE PLUS SIDE: Got the Level 65+ RMs for Terra, Rinoa, Tidus and Squall recently.  Working on getting D. Cecil and Lenna to 65 so I can start working on those.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 22, 2016, 02:28:05 AM
Made R3 Holy.  Because I can.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 22, 2016, 11:22:09 AM
Strolling through Jecht's event now. Hard to believe we're nearing the anniversary.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 24, 2016, 02:04:37 AM
So I just got an announcement on the FF Portal about there being a free 5* weapon for Tyro and a raffle for anywhere between 5-100 Mithril for players.

...And it starts tomorrow and goes a bit into March.  This also includes a new festival dungeon and a few other goodies.

EDIT: Not the anniversary, but a 10 Million Downloads celebration.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 24, 2016, 12:41:47 PM
Guys. Guys. We're gonna have the summon poll like JP did. Anniversary's gaining traction.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 24, 2016, 02:41:53 PM
*Votes for Orthros just to make everyone deal with the spelling.*

Did up to the Ultimate fight in the Faris/Lenna event, holding off on Ultimate until I get mythril to do the pull on Faris' Banner, since that's gonna determine a bit of my setup for Melusine.

The 6* Celerity abyss reopened, and now that I'm caught up on dungeons and don't really need to farm all day everyday to just have a decent skillset, I've cleared through all my backlog in the abyss. Pretty standard Fare. Barthandantalus (Support 160 difficulty boss) was some RNG bullshit at the start. I can see why you guys were bitching about U Barty last month.

Other than that, nothing noteworthy. The Celerity bosses seemed to all be gameplay-thematically linked this time instead of a somewhat related but mostly haphazard mix of bosses. They're all multiple-target boss fights with high speed enemies... which works, though the multi-target aspect is a bit weird since Celerity is not the skillset I think of when I am up against multiple enemies at once.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 24, 2016, 03:53:28 PM
Not pulling on the Nightmare Lucky Draw?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 24, 2016, 06:37:31 PM
Saw this at SA, thought of Captain K:

(http://i.imgur.com/AxA8zoj.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 24, 2016, 10:56:07 PM
Snow: The draw will go on longer than the FF5 event banners, and I'll have another 25 mythril for that in a hot second. Besides, after realizing that I've gotten nothing but VALIANT and MASAMUNE from these draws, my most out-dated weapons, my boner for the Lucky Draws is pretty dang limp.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Minwu's shitty Cancel SB. Yawn.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 24, 2016, 11:36:09 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 25, 2016, 12:39:24 AM
Snow: The draw will go on longer than the FF5 event banners, and I'll have another 25 mythril for that in a hot second. Besides, after realizing that I've gotten nothing but VALIANT and MASAMUNE from these draws, my most out-dated weapons, my boner for the Lucky Draws is pretty dang limp.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Minwu's shitty Cancel SB. Yawn.

Yeah, the problem with Lucky Draws is pretty clear at this point: power creep makes several of the possible rewards complete boobie prizes, sometimes worse in practice than non-SB 5*s at your level. Heck, even at this level: a generic FF5 Ice Brand has more attack, +20% Ice damage and better synergy stats over, say, Tidus' Brotherhood.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 25, 2016, 02:59:28 AM
I'm still hoping that when we get the Abyss, they actually start with Lucky Draws then for Black Mage out of the gate.  That was a neat idea with the whole "Lucky Draw based on characters specific for the Abyss"...

...alas, they probably won't, and the first we'll get in this regard will probably be the White Magic one like in Japan.

Nonetheless, Lucky Draws are still worth doing I'd argue because it is 25 Mithril, and you aren't going to be left with annoying garbage like me getting 4 FF6 Assassin Knives.  At least the stuff you get can improve a variety of characters.  In Snow's case for example, yeah, Brotherhood is not good now, but it still gives Tidus a Soul Break better than his default, so it's a nice perk if you don't have any of Tidus' other weapons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 25, 2016, 03:41:17 AM
Yeah, I mean I'm not not pulling on it. It just isn't getting pulled on until I gamble on the Faris/Lenna banner.

Also, 3 Assassins Daggers > one Brotherhood or Valiant. Period. A 7 star dagger that anyone can equip is likely going to outpace everything else you have with realm synergy, barring 6*+ character relics, or other 7* generics. May even beat out 5* SSB relics, but that may be a stretch
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 25, 2016, 10:42:01 AM
For pure stats, under synergy, a 7* > more or less any 5* under synergy. That's what makes my 7* Thief Blade better than any other FFX weapon I have, the synergy boosts jump crazily every ten levels or so.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on February 25, 2016, 02:50:00 PM
226 mithril.

I'm thinking, yes to lucky draws.

Yes to 1  or 2 sssb draws.

The rest, and anything I can accumulate will go towards Ramza event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on February 25, 2016, 09:50:32 PM
293 mithril, I'm going innnn~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 25, 2016, 10:26:09 PM
18 mythril, I'm going home~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 25, 2016, 11:17:34 PM
98 Mythril here. Hopefully by the time it starts I'll have around 150.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 26, 2016, 03:26:34 AM
Yeah, I mean I'm not not pulling on it. It just isn't getting pulled on until I gamble on the Faris/Lenna banner.

Also, 3 Assassins Daggers > one Brotherhood or Valiant. Period. A 7 star dagger that anyone can equip is likely going to outpace everything else you have with realm synergy, barring 6*+ character relics, or other 7* generics. May even beat out 5* SSB relics, but that may be a stretch

*3* Assassins Daggers, yes.  I was ok when I got my 3rd for pretty much exactly the reasons you stated; the thing that pissed me off was getting a *4th* Assassin's Dagger.  Getting a 7* Dagger is pretty awesome, but I really have no need for another 5* Dagger when I have plenty of synergy from that realm *AND* a better 5* Dagger in the Keepsake Knife anyway should I need 2 characters wielding Daggers. 

I have 165 Mithril at this moment if anyone cares.

Anyawy, speaking of pulls, did a 100 Gem pull and got a Red Armlet.  A 5* FF10 Armor that also boosts Fire Damage?  I cannot complain about this in the slightest, it's also my 2nd 5* from 100 Gem Pull (the other being FF12's Lohegrin).

Next off, completed Jecht event!  Here's how things went:

Boss Rush: Used an entirely FF10 Team of Tidus, Kimhari, Jecht, Yuna and Lulu.  Tidus and Jecht using FF10 Swords, Kimhari using the Heat Lance, Yuna and Lulu...doesn't really matter, they were set with 5* Gear, Lulu using the Lullaby Rod because while it is a Mind Staff, Synergy Magic from it > anything else and Mages need that more than White Mages need mind.  That said, I had one reset against Evrae when Tidus got petrified almost immediately.  That was a troll move.  Kimhari got petrified in second fight, but I decided who cares/10 and proceeded to perfect the fight anyway.
Yuna didn't even have to heal against Evrae Altana, covering the Holy damage with Curajas.  Lulu's damage was resisted...doing 8600 with Fireja.  Totally meaningful right?

Next up, Yojimbo.  So I was regularly grinding off this guy using MOSTLY Auron Solo-strats in the Lulu event, I say mostly because one character existed to use Boost on Auron then proceed to die.  Now here we have him with lower stats, and easier conditions.  Naturally, I throw Auron w/ his newly found Draw Fire skills, and proceed to kick his ass.  Auron replaced Jecht here, since he's integral.  Wakka replaced Kimhari here because Power Breakdown and Full Break would be handy just to mitigate his MT damage and keep characters alive.  Fight is a joke, I actually win it with only losing damage medals.

Spectral keeper...so this one pissed me off.  See, I have FF6's Thief's Bracer to inflict Slow, and using Advantaliate to basically gun him down entirely outside of Glyph Mine.  That works all fine and good!  Tidus decides to NOT WITH SLOW, and I have basically one attempt per run despite lifesiphon due to how quickly his health drops.  I eventually say fuck it and just go for broke, deciding I'll come back later with Tempo Flurry...only to see I lost no medals in any other area, so I championed it anyway. 


So...Seymour Flux Ultimate...first off, set up nonsense because that's what everyone wants to see! ME GLOATING ABOUT SET UPS! SET UPS!!!!

Faris: Brotherhood, Genji Helm (VI), Muscle Belt (X), R2 Full Break, R4 Magic Breakdown, Dragoon's Determination
I was debating between her and Wakka for a support PC, but considering Faris can use Swords thus make use of my FF10 Synergy, and I have her Syldra Soul Break which could come in handy in a fight like this thanks to MT damage, she ultimately won out.  Genji Helm tossed on there because I might want a defensive Soul Break instead.

Thancred: Ascalon, Eden's Coat, Muscle Belt (X), R4 Venom Buster, R3 Shadowsteel, Self Sacrifice
Odd choice?  Probably! Thancred's actually well suited for this fight for me.  I have his Death Blossom Soul Break, so that + being able to use FF10 Synergy means he can do big MT damage (basically 19998 to Seymour all things considered) means he can hit hard and 100% Slow for the condition.  He can use both Ninja AND Support 3 so he can get the other condition that way.  I learn in this fight that you can't get Poison and Sap up at the same time...ah well, didn't really matter much, Thancred's damage was service-able and he covered 2 requirements.  I probably should have come in with Rally Etude or something instead next time but whatever.


Tyro: Shimmering Blade, Thief's Bracer+, Vossler's Gauntlets, R4 Lifesiphon, R3 Banishing Strike, Mako's Might
...yes, Mako's Might being there instead of Dr. Mog's Teaching is 100% IMPORTANT AND DAMN IT I STAND BY THAT!  *AHem* anyway, you know the drill, he has Sentinel Grimoire so invaluable.  Lifesiphon to get the gauge up fast, and Banishing Strike to kill Reflect. For once, Tyro's damage is meaningful too given the set up actually makes his damage matter.  In hindsight, that Banishing Strike was a waste, since my Black Mage COULD just attack the Mortiischis with their ST damage spell and hurt Seymour that way by killing it off, or alternatively, I could have just given them Ruinga.  Speaking of which...

Terra: Lullaby Rod, Red Armlet, Terra's Pendant, R2 Meteor, R4 Firaja, Devotion
See above for why she's using Yuna's Rod instead of her father's amputated body part.  Meteor does 9999 to both Seymour and the Mortichiis, so useful early on for gunning that down, Firaja there because wasn't sure how much damage I'd be doing but turns out 9999 even without the Red Armlet boost, but whatever.  Missiles is 22k damage when she pulls it off.


Yuna: Chain Flail, Priest's Miter, Yuna's Obi, R4 Curaja, R2 Shellga, Dr. Mog's Teachings.
See Tyro about why that distinguishing RM is important.  Like Tyro, Yuna is a staple for any Ultimate fight thanks to HotF.  Pretty clear what he purpose is here, Shellga chosen since Total Annihilation.

RW: Oerba's Boon.
The one thing I didn't have is Protectga in this fight, so hey look, perfect niche! Also an extra emergency "oh shit" medica if I needed it.


Fight took me 3 or 4 tries, mostly just getting a rhythm of things again.  The entire fight was really just getting around Ultimate Dispel and hoping you don't get skewered by Cross Cleave after the first one, and having enough time to set up for Total Annihilation after the second.  Really once that is done, it's smooth sailing.  It reminds me of Beatrix, except Beatrix generally had far scarier turns outside of limit moves especially that end DPS race.  Seymour feels relatively tame by comparison.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 26, 2016, 07:14:08 AM
11 Pull on the Krile/Galuf banner after realizing I wanted everything on it and only Faris' BSSB on the other one. Got a FF5 helmet. First 5* helmet I guess?

Also, Dissidia collab event dropped. Bartz' Ragnarok is up again on the banner, which is good because that means I don't have to be tempted to pull on it considering I already have that at 6*.

I should probably just start saving my mythril until the next Breakfast event, come to think of it. If anything I really want comes up before then, it'll probably be showcased again during the Breakfast, and probably in a banner with way better consolation prizes than the normal banners. Besides, it's been a couple months, so the next one may be coming up sooner than I expect.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 26, 2016, 11:49:29 AM
Another FF9 event, another banner with two SSBs - wait what

Regardless, mastered Ultimate Seymour Flux last night. I'll post the setup later, since that one was kind of annoying, though not -too- aggravating.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 26, 2016, 02:27:08 PM
It's 2 BSSBs actually, which is crazier.  FF9 is usually one of those "late to the party" ones but it's the first event to get 2 new BSSBs on it.

...and nothing wrong with that, but what pisses me off is, again, DeNA being so tone deaf to meta balance.  They show signs of improving Mages by raising the magic soft cap, so we expect some cool Magic Buffing Soul Breaks right?  Nope, apparently their idea of Pro-Mage is just "reduce casting time" and instead they create ANOTHER Hand of the Emperor clone instead of, you know, another Lulu's Hairpin which is what Mages need, or a Magic Scream (Edward gives a lesser version I think at +30%, and Kefka's is +20%?)  It's getting ridiculous since they keep missing the forest in-spite the trees.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on February 26, 2016, 07:49:18 PM
Should have read the Seymour requirements.

Beaten, not mastered.

Tidus, yuna, auron, wakka, lulu.

Tidus n yuna had relic sbs. Auron drawtilates. Lulu spams aoe.

No slow, poison or sap. Whoops!

Dunno if I'd even bother trying again. Major fire and lightning aren't a top priority and completing it netted me 3 MPOs.

Score!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 27, 2016, 12:16:43 PM
Melusiline Ultimate beaten, quest reward get! Setup was:

Bartz (Thundaga Strike, Blizzaga Strike), Actions->SB Up RM
Krile (Thundaja, Firaja), Dualcast Black
Faris (Full Break, Magic Breakdown), Rebel Ace
Gilgamesh (Ice Jump, Flaming Weeaboo), Dragoon's Determination
Lenna (Shellga, Curaja), Dualcast White
SRS RW

So a week after talkin shit about Dragoon I'm glad it exists, discount Spellblade as it were, so Gilgamesh could do things in this fight. Really missed hastega here, but Stonera skin was more important than using Scream for sure. Interestingly, Bartz's BSSB wasn't as godly as it normally is thanks to RNG luck--she never went Fire-weak again, and Bartz couldn't actually do anything to her while she was Physical weak except another BSSB. Also had some amazing luck with Dualcast white proccing juuuuust when I needed it 5/6 times. Only lost one medal to damage.

I still have Leviathan to go, but I just noticed the Ifrit fight ends tomorrow, so I guess I'll grind that out tonight. He's obnoxiously tanky, but I feel like I just need to get the right setup going. I don't really have a whole lot of room to change characters from my A-team, though I may bench Ramza for a mage and let Tyro handle the debuffs. Really wish I could swap Zack out, too, since his Blizzara Strike is noticibly pitiful here, but I NEED hastega and I NEED SRS/SG.

At least it's not Kuja-level obnoxious where I'm not sure if I can even win, it's just regular obnoxious. Most I've had to think about a boss in a while, at least, though not really since I'm so limited in my realistic options. Really wish I had a native Thyrus, then it'd be easy. Swap Ramza out for Terra, have Rinoa's BSSB on RW, and win. Ah well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 27, 2016, 02:26:24 PM
I'm pretty sure you can make it happen with your party, just uh Ifrit just has ALL THE STATS so it's gonna hurt.

Anyhow, Ultimate Seymour Flux. Setup:

Tidus (L80): Lightning Steel, Guardian Targe, Muscle Belt, R5 Tempo Flurry, R5 Venom Buster, Dragoon's Determination
Yuna (L65): Lullaby Rod, Red Cap, Mage's Armlet, R5 Maduin, R5 Valefor, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Kefka (L65): Magistral Rod, 4++* Wizard Armlet, Adept's Bangle, Devotion
Red XIII (L80): 5++* Thief Blade,  5++* Barbut, Muscle Belt, R2 Full Break, R4 Power Breakdown, Ace Striker
Y'shtola (L65): 5+* Wyrmfang, Al-Bhed Jumper, Yuna's Obi, R5 Curaja, R2 Shellga, Mako Might

Lulu Focus as a RW.

My main problem was that I decided any buffing before the 50% mark, when Seymour lands his second spell, just wouldn't be useful. Well, Protectga would, but I only had that attached to Lunatic High and you can see I had the brilliant idea of bringing Shellga instead to cover a mitigation I didn't have. Bad idea, his magic only becomes threatening below the second U-Dispel and at that point you have SSII/SG. Protectga's a lot more useful above that range and half the problem is getting there safely. Funnily, the winning run involved Tidus dying to a Flare -just- after landing Poison on Seymour post-U-Dispel. Since I landed Slow early, I just said "fuck it, you obviously like owls" and bumrushed his ass from there. Worked, at least!

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 27, 2016, 05:38:33 PM
Meh, gave up. It's definitely in the realms of possibility, but I just don't care anymore.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 28, 2016, 01:34:59 AM
[19:34] <MagicFanatic> ...Two 11-pulls.  Get 2 Platinum Fists and Cid's Harpoon on one draw, and two of Zack's Gloves on the other pull.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 28, 2016, 02:02:16 AM
Now, on Reddit: people melting into salt because the 13% on relics is actually 12.871% rounded up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 28, 2016, 03:18:24 AM
Spent money to get slightly more gems - enough to do one more pull.

...Get a third Platinum Fist.

I think I'm done trying for the BSB and SSB now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 28, 2016, 04:49:16 AM
2x 11-pulls - No 5*s both times. Damn. That's more wrecked than when I pulled for Terra's weapon.

Whatever, RNG gonna RNG. I'm sure I can still Advantaliate things just fine with my current equipment.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on February 28, 2016, 05:04:27 AM
Just did 15 mythril, nothing good.

This guy broke the laws of statistics:

http://imgur.com/a/M2QYa
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 28, 2016, 05:30:15 AM
Man, I didn't know it was possibly to get salty at another person in a F2P non-PVP game, but it has just happened. So much salt.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on February 28, 2016, 05:34:08 AM
Friend got clouds bsb. I didn't try. Zacks gloves look cool.

I don't even see what this wardrobe thing does.  Stats look identical?

Didn't delve in too much. Just glanced.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on February 28, 2016, 11:37:55 AM
did a 3 draw on AC because a friend did a 3 draw and got trash

I got trash

What did I expect
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 28, 2016, 02:17:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZUcpVmEHuk
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 28, 2016, 02:34:05 PM
100 gem pull: garbage. Still saving mythril for the festival, whenever that ends up happening.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 28, 2016, 03:14:14 PM
115 Mythril and counting currently. I'll have broken the 150 Mythril mark by the time Garnet's MC2 event lands, which was my initial goal. 175 by the time the SSB fest happens seems like a pretty reasonable goal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 28, 2016, 03:59:09 PM
What. (http://imgur.com/Jeq0nmx)

(Not me; from Reddit)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 28, 2016, 07:37:43 PM
Yep. He likely got a RNG reset seed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 28, 2016, 07:50:05 PM
Baby steps along the road to ultimates: I beat a +++ fight for the first time. Aaaaaaaalmost had mastery, too. Spectral Keeper's last action before I killed it was to use its third Berserk Tail, which killed Sephiroth. No Rosetta Stone for me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 28, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
The nice part about Spectral Keeper is that Draw Fire +Retaliate makes him -completely- harmless outside of Glyph Mine. I guess you can't kill him before Berserk Tail x3, but if the fight ever comes up again (and it will on your Dungeon strolling), it's something to keep in mind.

Also, congrats!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 29, 2016, 12:30:40 AM
So I succumbed to weakness again and bought gems to spend on the banner.  My total 5* relic pulls:

3x Platinum Fist
3x Zack's Gloves
2x Pole Axe
3x Precious Watch
1x Coral Sword (...The hell?)

I just wanted Red's SSB or Cloud's BSB.  Got everything but that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 29, 2016, 12:35:47 AM
Hey, Zack's Soul Break is pretty good at least, and he himself is a decent character now that they stopped ignoring him outright.

My 100 Gem pull got me a 4* FF7 Glove!  That ALMOST is useful...almost.  Except it's not because I have Tifa's Grand Glove, a Gold Sword+, and Zack's Buster Sword.  Therefor, I deem this as "rekt."

Yes, I deem anything that isn't a 5* or a potentially useful 4* as rekt, and in the latter's case, it's usually only going to apply if I had a 4* already and turning it into a 4+*.


Also, to answer scar:

Wardrobe Records are purely cosmetic changes, nothing more.  It's basically implemented as a stealth way to get Adult!Rydia, and Freelancer Galuf/Lenna in without changing the sprite that is already there outright, and not put a whole 2nd character in ala D. Cecil fiasco (which I think DeNA realized after the fact was really dumb, hence why they just buffed child Rydia a bunch instead of making a 2nd Rydia)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 29, 2016, 01:35:49 AM
U+ Leviathan down. Missed mastery with my quest team, but went back with my A team and pushed his shit in.

Without hastega, two Thundaga Strike/Thundaja users were not enough to keep his Tidal Wave at bay, so Mastery wasn't happening on that run anyway. Was completely out of charges on everyone but Bartz by the end. Only real noteworthy part of the setup was Come At Me Bro was back in effect as a defensive measure.

Also, now that the time limit on Ifrit has passed, I keep thinking of changes I could have made to make the boss easier, like remembering Monk's defense piercing moves, and the fact I could have maybe made use of Ninja skills for the same reason. D'oh. Oh well, it's not like I am gonna be able to use 4* record dive materials for a while anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 29, 2016, 02:07:42 AM
The nice part about Spectral Keeper is that Draw Fire +Retaliate makes him -completely- harmless outside of Glyph Mine. I guess you can't kill him before Berserk Tail x3, but if the fight ever comes up again (and it will on your Dungeon strolling), it's something to keep in mind.

Also, congrats!

I may go back for the mastery, it was literally a matter of one action separating me from it. Drawtaliate would be a last resort since it's mainly a point of pride, but still, nice to know!

(Also, the BSB burst effect is ridiculous, and it's even more ridiculous that it applies for RWs. That was a fun fight for the MC2.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 29, 2016, 02:59:00 AM
Man, I had a ton of fun with Cloud's BSB as a RW on the Sundaily. I'll likely whip one of those up for Bahamut SIN, since I already have the MT offense part of the fight nailed down with my black mages and summoners (R5 Maduin and Valefor along with R4 Ruinga and R3 Meteor running off two 5* synergy rods. I expect to melt his face off).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on February 29, 2016, 07:29:06 AM
Ultimate Braska's Final Aeon taken down in the Dissidia event, Quest reward gotten. This event is ridiculous for synergy (Main characters all have synergy, All realms have synergy for equipment). All of my fighters broke the ATK soft cap without any effort. Garland/Golbez may be a bit harder to pull off the quest reward for. Cecil and WoL are needed for quest mastery and I only have one copy of the two good Knight skills, so I guess one's playing backup healer. Don't suspect any problems when not going for the quest reward, though.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K. on February 29, 2016, 07:40:03 AM
Ultimate Seymour mastered.

Lenna (curaja, protectga, mako might)
Faris (steal power, mug time, thunderstroke)
Terra (quake, ruinga, witch of succession)
Kimahri (lifesiphon, venom buster, ace striker)
Gilgamesh (retaliate, draw fire, dragoon's determination)

Sentinel Grimoire RW.

Mainly just played it super safe and had defensive abilities queued up when crossing ultimate dispel thresholds.  Hard to pick an mvp because everyone had a role.  Kimahri blocked Total Annihilation and Gravija.  Come at me bro was important for mitigation.  And Terra was main source of damage via Mortisorption.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 29, 2016, 08:05:15 AM
Is this the only time that Red's SSB shows up?  I'm tempted to keep pulling until I get it, though that desire is fading with each day I don't pull.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 29, 2016, 09:40:32 AM
If you go by JP, yes, but the celebration banners now and three months away might change this in Global.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 01, 2016, 12:59:49 AM
Lucky Draw banner… get Locke's rising sun. Outdated weaponry from a lucky draw banner, shock.

At least I kinda needed a Thrown weapon. I can now run a budget ranged team with the freebie gun, Valiant!!!, and the Rising Sun. Yay?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 01, 2016, 01:23:36 AM
Slogging through regular dungeons.  Black Fork Tower was fun.  Got to bust out all my FFV mage weapons.  Kind of weird doing a difficulty 141 dungeon and only losing 1 medal through the whole thing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 01, 2016, 06:56:57 AM
Quote from: The Daleks link=topic=6735.msg183694#msg183694
losing 1 medal
scrub
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 01, 2016, 03:52:11 PM
Quote
Lucky Draw banner… get Locke's rising sun. Outdated weaponry from a lucky draw banner, shock.

Amusingly, that was my first 5* Character relic, gotten via a celebration.  Unfortunately, I didn't have Locke so it didn't really see that much use outside of occasional character who needed throwing weapons like Wakka.  I was happy to get Locke just so I could finally give him the Soul Break (first character Soul Break I got that actually saw use was Thancred's Death Blossom)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 01, 2016, 04:06:36 PM
Mirage Dive's also a nice niche way to save an ability slot when you need Slow. It actually didn't age -that- badly due to that niche. Being attached to a good PC doesn't hurt either (Locke's skillset mix is just very desirable even at Global's point, having high levels in Combat, Thief -and- Celerity works really well, especially off Locke's equip selection).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 01, 2016, 07:29:22 PM
It's 3/1 where is my free goodie bag?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 01, 2016, 10:39:55 PM
Hopefully coming in the form of a dungeon or relic banner at 7 PM. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 02, 2016, 02:38:37 AM
God dammit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 02, 2016, 03:26:29 AM
I voted for I, II, V, VII, and X.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on March 02, 2016, 04:20:49 AM
Anyone who votes for 6 isn't my friend.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 02, 2016, 05:51:27 AM
Yeah my first thought was "I'll vote for whatever song is from 6!"  Then I heard it and was like "Nah...."
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 02, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
I don't even play global but I went and voted for that out of spite.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 02, 2016, 09:38:55 AM
I'm still laughing over the pitchfork raising on reddit over this - which was exactly what JP got at this time of anniversary. Haven't listened to the songs yet to vote.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 03, 2016, 11:36:59 AM
Tomorrow, JP gets access to the Dualcast Knight RM.

My body is ready.

EDIT: Tryina be cool against U 3x Black Waltz:

Steiner (Draw Attack, Aera Strike), Damage/Skill Use-> SB Gauge RM, Protectga Ribbon
Freyja (Wind Jump, Magic Breakdown)
Vivi (R5 Firaja, R3 Meteo), Dualcast
Garnet (R5! Valefor, R3 Maduin), Devotion
Eiko (Shellga, R5 Curaja)
RW: ExDeath's Grand Cross

I will be so happy if this works. Well see.

EDIT: Blah in hindsight I should have used Eiko's Bard skillset to set Mana's Praen instead of Shellga. I kinda have to use Grand Cross right away otherwise eat shit so Shellga's not pulling it's weight. I'd adjust if Exdeath's RW came up more frequently. Mm, we'll see how many SLs this takes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 03, 2016, 01:05:06 PM
I haven't seen the Ultimate + fight for the event yet, so I'll be interested in your reports.

Also, for the poll, ended up voting for The Chase (VII), Man With The Machine Gun (VIII), Blitz It Off (X), Blinded By Light (XIII) and Torn From The Heavens (XIV). I don't like any of the songs besides those and I don't think a remix would change that. Also, putting the damn relic pull song for FF9 as an option, DeNa? Fuck you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 03, 2016, 01:57:04 PM
Giving up on that build. A couple tweaks (Swap Maduin for Bahamut, Shellga for Mana Praen and give Eiko Mako Might so I get both to help deal with MT magic) and I should have it with that party, though. I only have one class tomorrow so I'll keep an eye out for the next time ExDeath is up in my RW list and try again then.

Snow, the U+ Nova Dragon fight looks pretty easy, actually. My A-team won't have any problems for sure, it's weak to Wind and Bartz's BSSB is OP if a boss has a weakness. Taking it down with an FF9 party for the quest rewards may be a bit out of my reach, though, purely because at 50% it interrupts with strong MT damage and I don't have a native Medica on any of my FF9 characters. The interrupt's physical, too, so no cheesing it out with Tyro's BSSB. Maaaaaybe with a Medica RW, but eh. We'll see after I fight it with my A-team tomorrow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 03, 2016, 04:36:13 PM
I guess I can thank the stars pre-emptively for that Golem's Flute, then. Also, do you have R2 Bahamut already?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 03, 2016, 11:01:03 PM
Yep. I yolocrafted it a while ago. I probably shouldn't have yolocrafted Madiun (except I hadn't crafted anything in a while and I wanted to), since that puts R3 Baha a bit further out of reach (but still stupidly far away).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 04, 2016, 08:40:35 AM
Advent (Ultimate) has been Mastered.  At first I tried to bring Diaga, but that just ended up being a sad mess over Shellga.

Winning Team:
Y'shtola L65 - Curaja R4/Protectga R2 - Ace Striker - Stoneskin II
Tifa L65 - Tempo Flurry R5/Punishing Palm R2 - Pugilist's Lore - Burning Arrow
Aeris L60 - Curaga R5/Shellga R2 - Knight's Charge - Healing Moment (Shared from Precious Watch)
Red XIII L72 - Full Break R2/Magic Breakdown R3 - Zeal - Lunatic High - Funny enough, the weak link of the team.
Zack L58 - Dismissal R3/Lifesiphon R4 - Dragoon's Determination - Air Strike
RW: Fenrir Overdrive

Like I said, I tried bringing in Diaga over Shellga.  Only only did I not have Shellga for attacks after the first orb spawned, but Diaga was only hitting for about 4K.  So I gave up the first try and switched out Diaga for Shellga, and I one-shot the fight after that.  It's actually kind of nuts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 04, 2016, 09:13:08 AM
I was going to be a little bit surprised that you did it with that setup considering your hones and that only MT was Air Strike, then I saw that you had Lunatic High AND SS2 and could afford the RW to be something else. OK that makes sense now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 04, 2016, 01:34:15 PM
Okay, mastered Bahamut SIN as well, no S/L involved. Setup:

L69 Yuna (Valefor/Maduin R5, Ace Striker RM, Hymn of the Faith SB)
L80 Squall (Fira Strike R5/Lifesiphon R4, Dragoon's Determination RM, Fated Circle SB)
L65 Kefka (Ruinga R4/Meteor R3, Devotion RM, Havoc Wing SB)
L65 Y'shtola (Curaja R5/Shellga R2, Dr. Mog's Teaching RM, Stoneskin II SB)
L80 Red XIII (Magic Breakdown R4/Full Break R2, Mako Might RM, Lunatic High SB)

Lulu's Focus as a RW for boosting my AoE, of course.

So yeah, the thing about Bahamut SIN is that you need both high-end mitigation (-ga defense buffs -and- SG/SSII are a must) -and- potent, plentiful AoE to safely handle him. I sorta yolohoned R5 Maduin and Valefor a while ago, but it hugely paid off here and I -still- ran out of juice on Yuna at the last slivers of his health. At least she had some HotF gauges built. This said, Focus also helped a ton, since both Yuna and Kefka could hit the damage cap on the Shadow Creepers after it and made Havoc Wing deadly against them. Having to spread ST offense to kill the Creepers would've been a complete killer. Bahamut SIN honestly doesn't feel terribly fast nor do the Creepers, but those adds are a constant presence throughout the fight and keeping them under wraps is ridiculously important. So yeah, being able to two-round them constantly while -also- plugging away at the boss himself was the main clincher. I may try this fight again under the Reddit challenge conditions, it'd be interesting to see how it goes without a full Trinity.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 04, 2016, 03:11:16 PM
Black Waltz's down after Exdeath finally cropped up in my RWs. Worked just as planned, though it still took a couple SLs to get the turn order down correctly.

Turn order, for posterity:

L70Steiner: Draw Attack, Aera Strike, Aera Strike, Protectga, Draw Attack, Aera Strike til the end.
L65Eiko: Mana Praen THEN Shellga, S/L if that ends up being a bad idea.
L79Garnet: If a full bar to start, Bahamut then GC, if not Grand Cross first, Bahamut, re-Up Grand Cross when Steiner has 6/7 Aera Strikes left.
L73Vivi: Firaja when not under Mana Praen, Meteo when. Defend once Meteo charges are up and there's only BW2 left, to not proc counters.
L65Freyja: Magic Breakdown BW1, then BW3, then Wind Jump BW3. Once BW1 and 3 are down, Magic BD BW2 before anyone else does anything, then Wind Jump until morning.

Freyja was actually pretty clutch here, Waltz 1 and 3 often use MT attacks and keeping them mitigated helped keep Eiko from having to waste turns on Curaja instead of re-upping Mana's Praen. 2 only had to be mitigated once I started focusing on it and thus started proccing it's counters. Grand Cross also shined here, Waltz 1 and 3 were down by the time the second one wore off, and then it was a matter of hoping or the best with 2's counters at the end. A couple of SL's due to bad luck there.

I could have done the exact same thing with a Media RW and Carbuncle on Eiko, and probably would have had an easier time, but this was more fun.

EDIT: I should mention that none of these characters were L80, and only Garnet was L79. Probably would have been a lot more trivial with a full L80 party.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 04, 2016, 03:21:35 PM
I may try this fight again under the Reddit challenge conditions, it'd be interesting to see how the common people live.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 04, 2016, 03:44:52 PM
Meanwhile, I beat Bahamut Sin twice and failed to master, losing 2 medals on turns last.  I think I might have to drop Red XIII for someone else to increase DPS, or not rely on Drawtaliate to take care of the Shadow Creepers (which shuts down their offense a lot.)

I think the big problem is Auron is only level 65 capping his offense.  Everything else seems to be in order, with Terra and Tyro doing enough AoE to rip apart enemies, Yuna covering her Yuna things, etc.  I could also just egg them up a bit and hope the slight offense push is all I need too.

I do feel like Fenrir Drive is the right RW though, since it helped a lot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 05, 2016, 01:33:56 AM
Finally mastered!

First off, the team I used in my first two "Expert" runs:

Auron: Buster Sword (CC), Edin's Coat, Godo's Mask, R4 Draw Fire, R5 Retaliate, Dragoon's Determination
-Auron has Dragon Fang SB
Red XIII: Grand Glove, Holiday Mittens, Vossler's Gauntlets, R4 Magic Breakdown, R2 Full Break, Freedom's Wish (probably should have used Self Sacrifice but it didn't really make a difference)
Tyro: Golden Sword+, Fire Armlet, Wolf's Earrings, R3 Fire Blossom, R4 Lifesiphon, Dr. Mog's Teachings
-He has Sentinel Grimoire
Yuna: Lullaby Rod, Crystal Armlet++, 4* Mind Boosting Accessory, R2 Shellga, R4 Curaja, Mako's Might
-she has Hymn of the Fayth
Terra: Maduin's Horn, Edin's Coat, Terra's Pendant, R4 Ruinga, R2 Meteor, Devotion
-She has Magitek Missile (duh?), and Trance Flood
RW: Fenrir Drive

Notably, Terra would save her Soul Break for the 2nd and 4th charging phases because it's 16k damage, Red XIII would drop the Roaming Warrior since he was basically the only physical fighter worth a damn who was on strict offensive duty.  Auron mostly existed to take care of all the ST physicals this fight had, which was a big help, though the occasional Dragon Fang both hindered BS' (...how fitting an abbreviation that is for the fight...) MT physicals, while doing about 8k~ to all enemies.  Red XIII would also occasionally drop the Holiday Mittens SB to increase his, Auron and Tyro's damage.  Ultimately, though, I couldn't beat him fast enough.

So Red XIII was the weak link I feel.  Everyone else was playing too much a key role. Yuna is the white mage, and has Medica SB, that goes without saying.  Terra was my primary AoE Source and has an occasional ST nuke when necessary.  Auron was stopping a lot of damage, and doing a fair amount of his own between his counters, and had a big MT damage attack that could be used on occasion.  Tyro has Sentinel Grimoire, and between Fire Armlet and Fire Blossom, his MT damage was actually pretty respectable to the Shadow Creepers (about 5k to them) so naturally I look for more options.  Faris comes to mind thanks to her Soul Break but she's stuck at level 65 at best, and considering Red XIII I egg'd up quite a bit ABOVE 65, and has Synergy, I doubt Faris will make a difference even with the MT Soul Break.  So I move on from Supports and just look at shear DPS.
First I look at Zack.  Synergy, good stats, and I have Rush Assault...but he's also stuck at level 65 and while with Synergy that'd help, again, he's being compared to someone somewhat higher who also has synergy, so don't think that'll work.  Squall and Lightning can both hit 80 and have Soul Breaks too, but again, Red XIII with Synergy probably beats them.  Tidus has a Soul Break too, MT one at that, but again, same problem, and if I can't justify Squall or Lightning, I struggle to justify Tidus.

So...I go with Garnet first thinking maybe another source of MT damage will work.  I hone Ifrit to R5, hone Valefor to R3, 8 shots should be enough alongside Terra, and she has her Ramuh Soul Break on top of that!  I give her Devotion, because she needs it more, hand Terra Blood of Espers.  Ok, let's see how this works!

...it doesn't.  Garnet's not doing enough, Terra's Soul Break damage suffers from lack of Devotion, and yeah basically it's a was.

Then it occurs to me "Why not just go with Cloud?", who has all of Red XIII's advantages, and I can give him Pound and Armor Break because DPS moves as I feel my mitigation is just good enough between Shellga and Sentinel Grimoire (the MT physical hurts but is manage-able with SG, so it's really the magic damage.  Again, a large part of the physical damage is covered by Drawtaliate.)  I can have him swap with Tyro so he gets a good weapon (Tyro's damage suffers a bit but honestly Tyro's damage as the least meaningful, at least on ST.  His MT damage suffers a bit but not by an amount that really mattered here.)  The only issue is the Soul Break...

...wait, Cloud's using Holiday Mittens, he can just drop that like Red XIII was anyway, so ok, yeah, Cloud's the obvious choice.  Just like Red XIII, Cloud would drop Fenrir Overdrive.


After many failed attempts, I say "fuck it, I have 200 mithril, I can spare one to attempt to master this guy."  I get Defense +10% which honestly isn't meaningful, HOWEVER, the carried over Soul Breaks gauge on Terra, Cloud and Auron ARE.  Terra now has more flexibility when she can drop either of her Soul Breaks, Auron has a Dragon Fang ready from the outset, and Cloud can drop the MT Attack Up Soul Break earlier in the fight.  All this amounts to an eventual success!

Biggest highlight?  I actually got to use a Trance Flood + Magitek Missile combo.  yes, Terra had 2 Soul Break gauges, and the situation arised that this was ideal.  In short, Trance Flood to hurt BS and murder the creepers, then he went Petaflare mode as a result (I think it was his 2nd even), so it did 22k to him.  I got to see another boosted Magitek Missile on BS himself, doing 17k total.  I have to say, being able to use Trance Flood in some capacity outside of Rubicante was nice since once I got Maduin's Horn I never thought I'd bother, but I had the foresight to think that maybe there'd be an instance where I'd prefer the MT damage over Magitek Missile (especially since overall, Trance Flood hitting 3 enemies is technically over 22x damage, compared to Magitek Missile's 18x, and it does boost Ruinga and Meteor as well so yeah.)

Biggest Derp? Accidentally using Grand Summon I on Yuna when I wanted to use Hymn of the Fayth.  Why was that still equipped? Because I was stupid and forgot to remove it.   Go 540 damage to all enemies!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 05, 2016, 03:17:00 PM
Yesterday's 100-gem pull, done while I was at a bar with friends:

(http://i.imgur.com/kc8BQ7D.png)

S'pose I'll take it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 05, 2016, 05:11:47 PM
I dunno which annoys me more, Meeple pretending he's people, or Snow pretending he's a peasant.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 05, 2016, 05:47:44 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 07, 2016, 11:52:52 AM
Spent my afternoon clearing through event backlog and the FF12 event's U/+ battles.

Dissidia's U+ Garland/Golbez was pretty dang easy, and I think if I convert all my Holy orbs to Major orbs and Hone Saint's Cross to R3, I can probably get the quest reward before the event wraps up in a couple days. The reward's not really worth it (2 Major Lightning orbs, not bad), but it's there so why not.

FF9's U+ Nova Dragon was harder than I was anticipating. Unmitigated it's damage is insane, and before I got all my mitigation up things were a little touch and go even with my A-team. Definitely not going to get the quest reward for this. Even with it being weak to Wind and even if I pumped all my FF9 characters up to L80, I don't see it happening... though that's primarily due to not having native FF9 Hastega. Snow or anyone who gets Garnet's SSB shouldn't actually have too much of a problem, because it gets declawed pretty neatly after all your mitigation is up. Too bad, too. 2 extra Major Summon Orbs would be nice after my YOLO crafting last week.

For the record, though, Twister does count as magic, so gets nulled completely by Tyro's BSSB. I don't actually know how much damage it is supposed to deal because of that.

FF12's Ultimate Hashmalum... well, I don't even remember the fight now, so that says about all I need to say. I'm actually better equipped for FF12 than I thought, and Basch can CAMB if all else fails so I'll probably do the quest challenge on this one.

U+ Gabu-Rasu was pretty scary, though, and still dealt 1400 MT damage or so with X-eh Cushion after Full Break/Power Steal/Tyro's BSSB Debuff/SRS. May have been Max HP based, come to think of it? Scary either way, and he loved to spam the crap out of it. On top of that, he loves to haste himself and gains a Counter-haste in his very weak phase. Pretty dang obnoxious. I just barely eeked out the Mastery.

The quest reward for this fight is 2 Major Dark Orbs. lol fuck no
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 07, 2016, 02:58:15 PM
I saw videos on FF9's Nova Dragon and holy shit what is that scripted MT attack at the 50% mark. Still have to catch up on Gabranth.

Also, today's utterly dead as Mondays usually are. Laguna event bonus battles are landing tonight, though, and I'm trying to think of ways to make a full mage team viable there (mainly because so many of my high-end utility SBs and equips are mage-centric). If not, though, I'm likely rocking Squall/Lightning/Sazh/cleric!Yuna/Rikku for great anti-magic shenanigans.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 07, 2016, 05:07:16 PM
Did a 50 pull to try to get Super Selphie Break, got only disappointment instead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 07, 2016, 06:10:49 PM
I'm seriously tempted to try an 11-pull on that banner, but it's cutting way too close to SSBfest and FFT for me to spare any Mythril and I want to maximize pulls for the big banners coming up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 08, 2016, 12:47:35 AM
Super Selphie Stick also comes up again in like every FF8 banner after, IIRC.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 08, 2016, 03:16:42 AM
Yeah, I'm considering pulling on Squall BSB banner 2, since that one also has Edea's Hastega + Mag Up hat.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 08, 2016, 04:32:26 AM
http://i.imgur.com/7I4Qw83.jpg
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 08, 2016, 10:33:28 AM
Glorious. Now, all that's left is picking up Basch's RM3.

So! Laguna bonus battles landed yesterday. I went at Adel with this setup:

Rinoa (L80): Rising Sun/Estharian Helmet/Terra's Pendant, R4 Waterja/R4 Thundaja, Devotion
Y'shtola (L65): Wyrmfang/Balamb Garden Uniform/Rune Armlet, R5 Curaja/R2 Shellga, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Eiko (L65): Golem's Flute/Red Cap/Glow Curtain, R4 Dispel/R4 Mana's Paean, Mako Might
Quistis (L65): Ochu Tentacle/Ten-Gallon Hat/Crystal Orb, R4 Magic Breakdown/R4 Darkra, Magic Madness
Hope (L65): Valkyrie/Blitz Helm/Circlet, R4 Firaja/R4 Blizzaja, Blood of Espers

Celes Runic RW

So yeah. I was wondering how well would a mage meta team perform all other things equal and the answer is pretty danged well! Adel's RES ain't too problematic once you get past Shell and she only uses it at scripted HP unlocks that aren't even interrupts. Mana's Paean was enough to have even Quistis of the Reno-level MAG breaking 9k damage a pop and Rinoa broke the damage cap even with Angel Wing Quake. Drain counters get eaten by Runic, and for some reason she was rather fond of casting Flare too. You can also throw Reflect and Drainga on your Reflect mage if you don't want to use your RW slot on Runic (I could've safely slapped Reflect instead of Blizzaja on Hope, for instance). That was pretty painless.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 08, 2016, 11:00:44 AM
Unsurprising. I came fairly close to beating Adel but just fell short due to Hones IIRC. I wouldn't expect another challenging Ultimate boss for you a while now, sadly. Probably until they release U+ fights during the My Cousin Vinnie event.

Also, Basch's RM3 is in my possession now. Farming also netted me two MPOs and one MBO today, so it's been a pretty good day.

On another note, uh, is there a new Dissidia game coming out soon or something?  We're getting another Dissidia collab tomirrow, apparently.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 08, 2016, 01:43:51 PM
They're releasing Dissidia Arcade soon, but the collab seems mostly Duodecim-centric. Also, they released the banners for the event and they look -fucking sexy-. Garland's BSB is bizarro P. Cecil in a nutshell with bonkers damage potential, Golbez gets a mag-boosting offensive SSB and Kefka's SSB also speeds up magic casting time for the whole party. To boot, they also slapped MAG boosts on Kefka and Golbez in addition to their MC2s. Both of them will likely move up a few tiers as spellcasters due to their SB mix and 5* Darkness access.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 08, 2016, 03:01:43 PM
Hmm, I was going to make it my policy to just hoard my mythril until the next B/S/SB Fest event (I suspect it'll happen around Golden Week, so early May), but uhhh that's really tempting. Both banners have a Hastega+Magic boost relic, too (Kefka's in the first, Edea's in the second). Maybe I'll pull on one of them. Garland's Burst mode attacks looks like it synergizes stupidly well with Bloody Cross, and may make that worth crafting/honing. That said Dark is probably one of the least useful elements in the game for hitting weaknesses, though at least not much high level content seems to null it either.

I only have enough mythril for one pull, so we'll see. Banner 2 looks like the safer bet for getting something useful for me. The worst one on there looks like Jecht beam and then... Black Materia? Yeah if Seph's SSB is the second worst thing on the banner that says a lot.  Even Garland's SB on that adds Dark weakness, which is something, and helps Dark suck less as an element (not that I can get both that and the BSSB, but whatever). vs. ...Jecht's headband which is nigh useless for me since I already have 3 fuckin cancel SBs, and Golbez's Rune Axe which yeah isn't gonna be seeing any use), but the B/SSBs on it are way better if I get lucky. We'll see.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 08, 2016, 06:39:20 PM
100 Gem pull gets me an FF13 Healer Staff.  4* Relic I already have one of?  Sure, I can work with another 4+* Staff for FF13 realms.

Beat Adel.  Not much to say other than I think using Banishing Strike on Cecil was a waste since Shell wasn't hurting Rinoa's damage that much, but whatever.  The hardest part was simply just not being caught with mitigation down, which was partially my fault for not giving Lifesiphon to Tyro because I wanted Full Break and Magic Breakdown.  Probably should have just taken a legit support PC, given Tyro Lifesiphon and Banishing Raid, and dropped P. Cecil, but whatever, beaten and mastered.

The +++ I had to quit and come back to due to being cocky.  Thought Drawtaliate would get me through it but NOPE! Shotgun ignores it and more MT than I thought.  I mostly was relying on Protectga and that wasn't enough.  Went back in with actual access to Wall (and a Lightning SSB RW), and won.  40 Stamina lost sucks, but whatever, I can live. 


ON A DIFFERENT NOTE, I actually cracked up when I saw the Ultimate+ fight for Dissidia Cosmos was Terra + Cloud.  That's all too appropriate for RK, really.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 08, 2016, 07:54:57 PM
I only have enough mythril for one pull, so we'll see. Banner 2 looks like the safer bet for getting something useful for me. The worst one on there looks like Jecht beam and then... Black Materia? Yeah if Seph's SSB is the second worst thing on the banner that says a lot.  Even Garland's SB on that adds Dark weakness, which is something, and helps Dark suck less as an element (not that I can get both that and the BSSB, but whatever). vs. ...Jecht's headband which is nigh useless for me since I already have 3 fuckin cancel SBs, and Golbez's Rune Axe which yeah isn't gonna be seeing any use), but the B/SSBs on it are way better if I get lucky. We'll see.

Rune Axe is hardly a chase relic even at this point, but it's actually shockingly competent as a multipurpose stat stick for FF4's horrendously obnoxious dungeons and events. It's been a staple in FF4 dungeons for me even as a physical synergy option, though its use for -magic- is limited to Golbez and Golbez only, but he's a very competent and versatile black mage when he's up-to-date (and heck, he's roughly 70% of the reason I trounced his event due to getting the axe). What I mean is mostly that getting it isn't something to get actively upset over.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 09, 2016, 02:10:05 PM
lol nevermind next event is FFT and Ramza's getting a BSSB and I know Scream's coming back almost for sure. Sorry Kefka you aren't Ramza.

EDIT: http://ffrk.appbako.com/archives/23907

percentages are based off of the data of skills with similar weight assigned to them in the descriptive text (小、中、大、特大)

Delita's SSB deals damage and lowers ATK probably by 30% (大).
Ovelia's SSB heals a lot (大) and throws up a Magic Barrier.
Ramza's BSSB raises defense of the party by 50% (大), and his Burst Mode attacks are a 2-hit Vanish Raid and the ability to fill up other party members' SB gauges.

The BSSB is tempting but honestly Scream would open up my party options more by letting me ditch Zack for someone else so I'll probably try for the Platina sword instead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 09, 2016, 04:45:49 PM
That BSSB sounds really interesting. Wrath without requiring an ability slot is quite good and Banishing Strike+ is very nice as well. Getting -four- new characters in is a pretty bold idea, but frankly it's not like FFT lacks possible PC slots. High quality SBs in general for the event as well.

Also, I got five mythril from the sweepstakes. Yay, why not.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 09, 2016, 07:06:20 PM
Adel mastered.

Laguna died to unmitigated holy on the last turn.

Still didn't matter.

I won 10 mithril. Yay.

Still waiting to unload this sploodge of blue all over an enticing event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 10, 2016, 03:07:07 AM
I got the 1 Mithril Consolation Prize, bah I say.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 10, 2016, 04:08:14 AM
(http://www.curiousinkling.com/~shirt/_design/great-pumpkin-shirt.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 10, 2016, 09:20:48 AM
Getting -four- new characters in is a pretty bold idea

I count 3. Also Mobius FF did 4 as well it's just that nobody cares about Garland, Sara, or the Mobius scrubs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 10, 2016, 12:59:51 PM
Getting -four- new characters in is a pretty bold idea

I count 3. Also Mobius FF did 4 as well it's just that nobody cares about Garland, Sara, or the Mobius scrubs.

Derp, I can't count. Still, I'm interested in how the new PCs will pan out. Delita seems to be based off his C1 incarnation, so he could end up as a mirror to Ramza, but who knows. Mustadio obviously gets Machinist 5 (his SBs even play into the skillset's mechanics and uh he's an Engineer), but everything else is a bit of a crapshoot - hoping for Support 4 at the very least. Spellblade, as an emulation of FFT's elemental guns, would be a pretty neat and unique build, but I doubt they'll go there (they didn't with Yang, after all). Ovelia, I'm more interested in her subskillsets, since WHM 5 is a given. I hope she's not Minwu mk. III, at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 10, 2016, 01:33:29 PM
Really?

We finally get Delita and it's his scrub version look?

I hope he is good because he's a must have on my Coolio squad.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 10, 2016, 01:47:25 PM
It makes sense considering Ramza's sporting his Dorothy look as well and the event covers the Algus fight once again (he's an Ultimate!). And so far, FFT characters in FFRK have been pretty much the ur-units in their respective niches (Ramza's a god-tier support and Agrias is a mind-bogglingly good knight), but we'll see how this batch pans out.

Regardless, the FFT collab event can't come soon enough for us. Just... a couple... more... weeks...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 10, 2016, 02:18:27 PM
I'd say Delita gets some forms of knight celerity combat and spellblade skillset. Maybe support? Dunno.

Yes, fft needs to hurry. Not counting the lucky draw and sssb, we have ff9 and.........egads a ff2 event before tactics shows up.

Should have close to 400 mithril if I don't use any during the anniversary events...

...

Which I totally will!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 11, 2016, 01:40:29 AM
I imagine Delita will be a more offence focused Ramza. Ramza's damage output is godly for a support but kinda meh for a heavy hitter (no Knight 5, other skillsets are primarily support). I anticipate that Delita will be more combat focused, probably getting Knight and Monk or Samurai to differentiate him from both Ramza and Agrias. Probably Support 3?

Ovelia I'm just expecting bog standard WM, which is fine really, esp. If you get her SSB. Unfortunately that's on the banner not with Scream so I probably won't get it.

Mustadio… I'd  guess Celerity/Engineer/Spellblade?  Like Laguna and Balthier had a baby.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on March 11, 2016, 02:16:19 AM
New Favorite Pairing confirmed!

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/DjinntoTonic/BLOTP_zpsibnjbeco.png) (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/DjinntoTonic/media/BLOTP_zpsibnjbeco.png.html)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 11, 2016, 04:04:19 AM
This is the most you have ever contributed to any conversation I have been a part of. Perhaps the most of anything in your life.

You done good, boy. You done good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 11, 2016, 09:10:07 AM
FFT event dropped. Notes:

Ramza got a record dive set but nothing interesting, just stat boosts.

Mustadio is 4 Support, 4 Celerity, and 5 Machinist. Was kinda close.

Delita has 5 in Combat, Spellblade, and Knight, so yeah definitely more DPS focused than Ramza. Record dive is similar to Ramza's, just stat boosts.

Ovelia is exactly as I predicted. WM5 only. She's lucky that's enough.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 11, 2016, 10:06:44 AM
Celes default SB clone on her is also a nice perk. AoE RES boost that stacks with both SG and Shell is hardly bad as far as starting loadout goes. Delita being Steiner+ is sorta surprising, but Combat/Spellblade/Knight makes for a strong set.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 13, 2016, 06:55:55 AM
Well, fuck. Once again I fail to resist pulling on a FF9 banner. Spent 100 Mythril on this one. And apparently Zidane's going to be the one who'll save videogames in my account.

https://imgur.com/UQ4KqIZ
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 13, 2016, 06:59:58 AM
You have FFT coming up soon, you moron.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 13, 2016, 07:03:58 AM
Yeah, and I'm pulling on it (I should still be able to drop at least 100 Mythril plus whatever gems I decide to spend), but it's not like I'll be -hurting- if I don't get anything from it. I have multiple Hastega and AoE healing sources as is and native Wall lets me RW Ramza whenever I need. Weirdest part is how having Zidane's SSB actually makes having Shout BETTER for me because now I have an actual SSB to use it with. My physical game's been honestly lacking compared to my magical equipment.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 13, 2016, 10:30:39 AM
oh yeah i know you're mage boy and don't really need scream

just saying spending resources on inferior games when you could be spending resources on FFT is stupid
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 13, 2016, 01:18:23 PM
Eh, I got something that'll make FFT better, so I'm fine. Getting a SSB weapon, even for a L65 PC, ended up being making out like a bandit for 100 Myth.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 13, 2016, 02:28:12 PM
but ff9 is groooooooooooss
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 13, 2016, 02:58:17 PM
but ff9 is groooooooooooss

I wish I could disagree. At least the relics are generally good and the content is bulky and difficult enough to warrant pulling there.

(That and I like FF9 content in FFRK, in spite of not liking the game itself. Could be worse, though, I could be pulling on FF2)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 13, 2016, 04:34:12 PM
True, FF9 synergy isn't a bad thing to have. The next boss you have coming up to worry about in that realm is U+ Kuja, and... uh, yeah I gave up on that one. This was pre-pulling-myself-up-from-my-own-bootstraps (get it. pulling. the joke is im funny), but still.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 13, 2016, 06:28:34 PM
Not to mention the Orichalcum is tied with my 6* Shear Trigger for strongest weapon I have - with the perk of being equippable by literally everybody ever, so it's wonderful for synergy and/or filler equipment when not under synergy when I need to plug holes in my setup. Shift Break being AoE and Power Breakdown rolled down on one will also be really useful on multiple ultimates, starting with the fucking Gigases in FF2. I also count ultimate Three Stooges FFVIII and FFX, Velius and Ultimate Rufus+Dark Nation just within the next 30 days for places where it'll make a real difference. When Kuja's event kicks in, I'll also have a nice Thief's Raid+Lifesiphon setup going for Zidane, because he's one of the people who break 170 speed at L80. Heck, he breaks it under FF9 synergy at L65. I had mixed feelings about the pull last night, but at this point, I'm fully convinced this is just about the best thing I could've gotten from this banner and a notable gamechanger for the next few events.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 13, 2016, 06:34:47 PM
100 Gem Pull got me garbage.  I did a 3 pull because my FF9 Synergy kind of sucks, 2 RAINBOWS! ...both are Dark Hoods.

...I guess it's still FF9 Synergy defensive, but I'm tempted to do another.  Considering I have, after the event Mythril and today's login bonus, 250, I might do another 3 pull.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 13, 2016, 07:27:05 PM
All things considered, a 3-pull is pretty inoffensive given your current stash. I'd say go for it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 14, 2016, 12:41:36 AM
Sitting on 320 Mithril.

Staring at Freya's and Quistis's weapons.  Want both.  Gotta save for the SSB festival, though.

Got Terra into a stone's throw of 80, leveling Maria in her place now.  Freya's already at L33, running Rosa to get her to L50, WoL to level him up due to getting his MC2, and Locke because...  Eh, it's Locke.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 14, 2016, 08:41:36 AM
First pull on the Scream banner, I get Mustadio's SSB and Delita's SB. Preeeetty cool, I really needed a non useless gun. Won't have 50 more mythril for a bit to try again for scream but this satisfies my need to have useful FFT characters.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 14, 2016, 02:12:04 PM
Finished Freya event's main course. Shift Break melted Silver Dragon away, nothing new under the sun. I'll egg Freya to L65 later, since I intend to use her for the Ultimate fight. Too bad I won't try the bonus battles until Wednesday, but that's how surgery goes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 14, 2016, 02:18:16 PM
More dragoon skills are nice, but I just want this event to hurry up and finish already.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 14, 2016, 04:21:23 PM
Runnin' dung' to get more mythril to succeed in not getting Scream again. Did the FF5 Gogo fight. If you try to win the way you do in FF5 he congratulates you then starts throwin' flares. If you don't try to win the way you do in FF5 he throws 9999 damage flares. The best. (He does tell you that he's going to quit imitating you but illiteracy means I missed that the first S/L.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 14, 2016, 11:57:51 PM
Y'know, I feel like normally event bosses don't explode quite as hard as the regular version of silver dragon did.  I mean Snow's ridiculous Zidane helped and all but I'm pretty sure these things aren't supposed to let you clear without medal loss using only breakdowns for mitigation.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 15, 2016, 12:35:19 AM
I think absolute lack of Break resistance does it in pretty definitively. Most end of main course bosses usually have -some- sort of break resistance at this point and Silver Dragon just goes "nope, too good for that shit" and explodes horribly. Imagine if I decided to exploit his SLEEP vulnerability instead of just filler-Silencing him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 15, 2016, 10:51:32 AM
On the second pull of the Scream Banner, DeNA gave to me:

6 pieces of garbage
A second Romanda Gun
A second Zo Kai Armband
A second Main Gauche
A generic 5* Rod
And Agrias' SSB.

Welp, I think I did actually get everything except Scream, now. TBH I'm sorely tempted to throw money at the game but I know it will just end in heartbreak (especially because getting 5 5*s in one pull is just ridiculous and I'm pretty sure I've used up my luck here).

I can probably pull together two cult of 3 pulls with the daily gems/gems from whatever event drops on Friday/clearing out the last of my dungeons. Probably best just to move on and accept that it was not meant to be.

EDIT: lol ok, urge to spend real money on virtual goods over. After review, the only thing I didn't get in the banner besides Scream was Mustadio's Leg Aim. This means I reaaaally shouldn't pull on the banner again (even though i fuckin want that sb). Lord knows it'll be up again, probably during an SSB fest, with better consolation prizes (with synergy for more common realms). Siiiigh.

I'll probably still throw those cult of 3 mythril pulls at the banner when I get them, but I may use one or both on the BSSB banner. Ovelia's SSB would be a nice consulation prize as well (and would frankly obsolete Aeris since re-raise isn't that good but two MBarrier casters is ridiculous.) Though frankly that's still probably not smart, I already have a buttload of FFT synergy, and while it's not FF2/3/13 for how rare its events are, it's not exactly a high-in-demand realm either. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 15, 2016, 01:50:59 PM
Soul break banners translated.


http://bantha.org/~dscotton/ffrk.html

Wondering which ones to go after.

Definitely banner 1. So want a good weapon for bartz.

Then banner 4 and 5 possibly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 15, 2016, 02:45:55 PM
On the FFT Christmas, DeNA gave to me

You -do- realize there's another orb festival coming in JP at the end of the month, right? They datamined it last week and it's slated to start at around the 24th.

REGARDLESS: holy shit the SSBS banners. Banner 1 is honestly crazy: five SSBs (Bartz', Seph's, Quistis', Yuna's and Zidane's). Problem is the chaff on it, which is seriously outdated or just not that great. Banner 2 is awkward as hell, but it's my last chance at landing native Focus for the foreseeable future. Banner 3... Iunno. Vanille's second Medica isn't amazing and some of the chaff is awful - Brotherhood? REALLY? - and Maduin's Horn is returning in April. Organics is frankly outdated as well. Banner 4 is good: Asura's Rod, Moore's Branch, the ever-elusive Valiant Knife and the remainders are okay too (I wouldn't mind Penelo's staff or Edgar's Drill). But holy -shit- what the hell is wrong with Banner 5. Sentinel's Grimoire, Peacemaker, Garnet's Wizard Rod, Gilgy's Genji Blade and Yuffie's Wutai Band? That's absolutely ridiculous. Even the leftovers (Golbez' Ebon Armor, Galuf's Thor Hammer and Steiner's Ultima Sword) are nice enough to have. Even with native trinity, I feel like pulling a bunch on that banner and anyone with anything less should be going off the deep end for this.

Once again, people on reddit are whining because these aren't like JP's banners, and once again, people are being complete doofuses. This is seriously better than JP's SSBfest and not by a small margin.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 15, 2016, 02:59:55 PM
On the FFT Christmas, DeNA gave to me

You -do- realize there's another orb festival coming in JP at the end of the month, right? They datamined it last week and it's slated to start at around the 24th.

Nope, did not. I assumed there was gonna be one, but anticipated it to happen during the Golden Week holidays between April 29-May 6. Well, that settles it. Definitely no more pulls here (not even gonna bother with CO3s now, so thanks. That's almost sure to guarantee an extra 11 pull) and I'll just wait for Scream to come up in whatever celebration banners there are around that time.

EDIT: Re the JP banners, uuhhhh yeah no your guys' are waaaaaay better compared to what we got back in September. The one with Garnet's hastega, SG, and Yuffie's (I believe that's her heal?) is ridiculous. Ours were, what, 3 SSBs per banner? Granted, I wasn't really paying much attention back then.

In other news, team FFT is wrecking dungeons. Delita's SB gets ridiculous when there's only one target, and god help the boss if it doesn't resist its defense debuff. Musty's also synergizes really well with Agrias' Crush Punch, since its damage mod goes up when the enemy is Silenced, Stopped, or Paralyzed. I'll probably take on U Algus and U+ Queklain tomorrow and just wreck shit. What a lovely day.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 15, 2016, 03:19:02 PM
I'm liking banners 1 and 5.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 15, 2016, 03:37:59 PM
Yeah, I'm think about dropping 150 between 1,4 n 5.

That should leave me with hopefully 200 mithril for fft.

Assuming we get 25 mithril for the lucky draw as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 15, 2016, 10:17:14 PM
I was beginning to wonder if they'd just skip the orbfest/ssbfest altogether in keeping with the general crappiness of the anniversary celebration so far, and how hilarious the subreddit would be in that situation.

Anyway, I've got 200 Mythril saved up having only halfway finished the FF1 event, so I should be in good shape. Priority will definitely be Banner 5 since it's the only wall on offer, but I'll toss a couple pulls at banner 1. Some of that's going to have to go to inventory space, though, I'm right at the line and still have the good accessories to get from the aforementioned WOL nonsense.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 16, 2016, 07:02:05 AM
Silver Dragon is a wuss*

*Okay not THAT bad, spamming gravity damage at you (at least I think it's counter is gravity typed) makes things feel dicey but not really.

My FFIX equipment is pretty okay (Ultima Sword, Zorlin Shape++, Cat Claw, Barbut) but fists are lame.  FORTUNATELY, there is an ideal fist user for the fight that really wants you to Jump at it.  So team:

Steiner (Blizzaga Strike/Drain Strike, Sword Dmg UP, Stock Break)
Sazh (Power Breakdown/Full Break, Mog's Teachings, Boon)
Leon (Lifesiphon/Banishing Strike, Dragoon's Determination, Hand of the Emperor)
Gilgamesh (Wind Jump/Leeching Leap, Freedom's Wish)
Tyro (Protectga/Curaja, Mako Might, Sentinel's/Mystic Cure (which actually came in handy right at the end))
Princess' Favor RW

This fight is actually weirdly slow paced, when you subtract the counters.  I think the liftoff/crash landing things do a number on its charge times/ATB.  It also doesn't seem to counter immediately after that which, again, is the only actually dangerous thing it can do to a well prepped team.  Admittedly I'm also the asshole with an extra physical mitigation layer.

Bit disappointed at the accessory.  THEN AGAIN.  All non-5 star Magic boosters are now laughably irrelevant, if they weren't already.  So that's nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 16, 2016, 08:36:57 AM
Algus taken down with the full FFT party, first use of stamina but like 6-7 SLs. I forgot to use a breakdown on the wizard adds before killing Algus but still got Mastery because I lost no other medals. Was actually tougher than I expected thanks to the adds. Really had to get lucky that Tempo Flurry procced Slow on them within the first 3 turns so I could just focus on Algus.

Team was

Ramza (Bard ATK buff, Full Break), actions->SB Gauge up RM
Mustadio (Dual Delay, Power Breakdown), actions->SB Gauge up RM
Delita (Indoor Spell R4, Saint's Cross R3), Dragoon's Determination
Agrias (Shellga, Indoor Spell R5), Rebel Ace
Ovelia (Protectga, Curaja), Dualcast White
SG RW

A couple changes that would have made things smoother: Gau's Autohaste + Attack +10% RM on Agrias would have made her SSB come out sooner and made my life easier. Also, the magic is way more threatening, and Algus can dispel shell, so I should have switched Shellga and Protectga since Agrias really needed to be pumping her SB gauge.

Really surprised I didn't lose medals for damage taken, things got a little hairy after slow wore off on the Mages, but fortunately by that point I was almost done with the fight.  Delita's SB and Mustadio's SSB are less amazing against multitarget teams. Delita's really might as well qualify as an SSB against a single target, but split between 3 targets he gets Malak syndrome. They both do, and bad. Musty's a little bit more OK with that since spreading out his attacks means more chances for status to proc, but in a boss fight, meh. Mustadio's is also a little... uh, underwhelming at the moment, especially against bosses that don't have status vulnerabilities. That said he and Delita are still only in their Mid 50s so it's not like it's bad, just not as good as the other SSB I got. Agrias' is pretty great, and it makes a good case for her to start switching in for Bartz or Ramza in my A-Team during some U/U+ fights. Proooooobably not Zack, just because Hastega is pretty well mandatory, but regardless.

Gonna hold off on Queklain until I can level up my newbies a bit more on Sunday, but I have the feeling I'm going to have to swap in my A-team for that battle. Looks kinda brutal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 16, 2016, 11:09:47 PM
Well then, Silver Dragon was surprisingly easy.  Not even a single S/L.

Lenna (Curaja, Protectga, Paladin's Devotion RM)
Bartz (Lifesiphon, Blizzaga Strike, Dragoon's Determination)
Vivi (Blizzaja, Blizzaga, Witch of Succession)
Faris (Steal Power, Boost, Thunderstroke)
Gilgamesh (Draw Fire, Wind Jump, Self Sacrifice)
Boon RW

This style of ultimate fight is more enjoyable than past ones.  He doesn't have phases you have to keep track of, he's fast but not instantcast fast, he doesn't have a nuke move combined with his speed.  You just need to deal with continuous light physical damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on March 16, 2016, 11:18:22 PM
ARRRRRGGGH

Stupid game crashed during the Ultimate fight due to some sort of network error, then when I rebooted the game didn't let me continue S/L like usual afterwards. 60 stamina down the drain, right before an orbfest starts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 17, 2016, 02:51:17 AM
Okay, so orbfest is live, hooray, along with the Hall of Rites. The latter is....what's the point of opening the doors and then telling people to come back in 10 days when you're actually going to start giving out lodes and hero souls?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 17, 2016, 03:05:31 AM
Mostly getting the structure up. Also, starting with Firion's event on Saturday, events will start handing out character and MC lodes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 17, 2016, 04:30:27 AM
This style of ultimate fight is more enjoyable than past ones.  He doesn't have phases you have to keep track of, he's fast but not instantcast fast, he doesn't have a nuke move combined with his speed.  You just need to deal with continuous light physical damage. is really EZ and even a scrub like me can beat it.

Speaking of Scrubs (i don't want no scrubs, a scrub is a guy who can't get no love from me), I realized that FFT's Queklain fight only requires me to have Agrias and Ramza in it, not them plus FFT characters. Honestly if I just swap out Tyro with Agrias in my A-team, throw Protectga/Indoor Spell and Shellga/Curaja on Aeris and Agrias, I should have zero problems with that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 17, 2016, 04:44:37 AM
Did the first Orbfest run, getting all the mithril, huzzah!

Got rekt on the Garnet banner.  Was considering pulling more but then the celebration banners dropped and oh look, Garnet's SSB reappears on Banner 5, aka the awesome one.  Yeah, I'll try to get it there.  My only reservation about Garnet as my Hastega user is how it'll mean I need to run 2 healers, and I don't quite have the resources to get Valduin up to justify running one as a pure Summoner.  Maybe at Summon Orbfest phase, I'll blow some mithril to farm more of those, since seriously when the hell else will I have the opportunity? 

My only reservation about Banner 5 is I already have Sentinel Grimoire and really don't have a use for a second.   Thing is? Everything else on that banner is awesome for me.  It says something that one of the worse items on there, for me, is Rinoa's Cardinal since I already have Terra's Maduin's Horn.  Should I somehow get that, I think I'm obligated to attempt Mage Meta...why isn't Kefka's Cloak on one of these banners speaking of which :(?

Speaking of FF9 things, beat Silver Dragon in one go, mastery, no resets.

Might as well post team set up...FROM MEMORY!!

Vivi: Storm Staff, Black Hood, Terra's Pendant, R5 Blizzaga, R3 Blizzaja, Devotion
-Pretty straight forward.  Nukes with ice damage.  Probably should have given him Evoker's Horn as his armor just so he could have a Soul Break to do damage with, as he did run out of ammo.

Tyro: Aevis Killer, Edin's Coat, Vossler's Gauntlet, R4 Lifesiphon, R2 Fullbreak, Dr. Mog's Teachings
-...not wasting my time on this, since by now you know the drill.  Aevis Killer...I'll get to that later.

Yuna: Lullaby Rod, Minerva Bustier (I think? Who cares), Some +20 Mind Accessory, R4 Curaja, R2 Shellga, Mako's Might
-Like Tyro, Yuna's use is pretty much always the same, so no point repeating it.

Lightning: Ras Alghetti, Edin's Coat, Black Belt (FF9), R4 Blizzara Strike, R4 Aerora Strike, Dragoon's Determination
-Spellblade w/ Guns, basically.  Could have used Balthier, but Blazefire Rush > Tides of Fate, and she's level cap broken twice so she's legitimately higher leveled at a point where no amount of egging will catch him up.

Freya: Drill, Genji Helm (FF6), Godo's Mask, R4 Wind Jump, R4 Magic Breakdown, Self Sacrifice
-Token Dragoon.  With Realm Synergy, and Support 4, she seemed like an obvious pick.

RW: Lunatic High.  Hastega + Protectga, two things I don't have covered yet, seemed like an obvious pick.


The set up idea is that I can knock Silver Dragon back to the ground if necessary, but should my timing be off, all of my (offensive) characters save Freya's Magic Breakdown can deal with it.  Turns out that wasn't really necessary; timing was easier than I thought and hitting while flying is detrimental anyway, to the point where my resources starting running thin (Vivi in particular was the real issue) and was worried we'd have another Bahamut Sin of Win But No Mastery.  Ultimately didn't matter as I won with little difficulty, and didn't need to S/L even once
Didn't really need Lightning with Spellblades to hit weakness for conditions, but let's face it, Spellblade was the highest damage I'm getting out of physicals anyway, so might as well use it.  I could have probably used Squall instead of Lightning, but I won't deny the added insurance of "Lightning will always do SOME damage" thanks to Ras Alghetti was a nice bonus.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 17, 2016, 03:41:03 PM
So is there is suggested group of characters we should lv break to 80?

Like are any of the available characters getting their memory crystal in any upcoming events?

If not, I'm thinking about cap breaking bartz, vivi, gilgamesh, Locke and vanille.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on March 17, 2016, 03:42:21 PM
If you don't have Tyro and Cloud's MC2s, they're the first ones you should do. Otherwise, the correct answer is assuredly Gilgamesh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 17, 2016, 03:58:38 PM
Right.

Lucily, I've collected all the mc2s that have been available so far. I don't have to use a crystal for any character that's been previously provided.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 17, 2016, 04:08:24 PM
If you don't have Tyro and Cloud's MC2s, they're the first ones you should do. Otherwise, the correct answer is assuredly Gilgamesh.

Yeah basically. Cloud and Tyro's RM3s are such game changers that they supercede any other character you should get an MC2 for regardless of what relics/skill hones you have. Gilgamesh is also hands down the best character you can unlock at this point as well, and his RM3 is Knight Skill fountain (good now since y'all have Banish Raid, gonna be even better when you get Saint's Cross). After that, anyone with Knight 5 who you don't have is good. The other two Knight 5s I recommend getting (FF12 Basch and FFT Agrias) aren't out yet. PCecil and Beatrix might be, I forget.

After that... Honestly, if you've been playing fairly consistently, I'd say go for characters whose Record Materia you want. After a certain point, the best characters become whichever characters you have relics for, so spending MC2 lodes on characters with good record materiae is a way better use of your resources than spending lodes on characters to bring into battle.

Disregarding that, (commenting as if you have no relics for any of these characters, since that changes things obviously)... Bartz is good. Steal Power plus Spellblade 5* is great. Locke really needs a relic to be useful; the best argument for getting his MC2 is that his RM3 grants +20% damage if you're using a dagger, which is going to be useful until the ATK+10%-without-downsides materia pop up. Vivi is OK, his RM3 is fine for autobattling, but I wouldn't prioritize him. Vanille is a horrible choice, you're going to get nothing but white mage MC2s in the next several events so don't waste a lode on her.

Ninja edit: Just read your new post. Yeah get whoever then, but I still recommend basing your decision on what record materia you want.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 17, 2016, 04:36:08 PM
Right.

That helps.

Vanille can wait. She's just a ff13 character I have a relic for, but like you mentioned white mages are getting mc2s soon.

I have Locke's relic as well.

Gilgy and Bartz seem like must haves. I really hope I get one of their ssb weapons in the upcoming banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on March 17, 2016, 05:45:17 PM
Oh cool, it's finally my turn! Daily Draw netted me Edgar's Drill! Not only my first five-star from the Daily Draw, but a Character Relic. And a relatively recent one. And for a character I -like-!

It's not gonna be a game-changer, but it's the fucking DRILL man! It is a Spear for some reason, which makes it so much better. :)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 17, 2016, 06:12:09 PM
Totes jelly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 18, 2016, 12:06:59 AM
Oh, you have Vanille and Locke's relics? Depending on what they are that may make them worth unlocking over Bartz (probably shoukd still get Gilgamesh though).

Also congratulations, Djinn, you sack.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 18, 2016, 12:23:55 AM
IIRC, though, Scar has Vanille's Deprotega relic, which ain't -so- hot. Locke's worth cap-breaking just for the early access to Thief's Revenge at 5-hits, though.

Personally, though, I'm going to wait until I get results on Lucky Draws and SSBS draws to reclaim those MC2 lodes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 18, 2016, 01:06:27 AM
Eh, unless you have the orbs to bring Theif's Raid to R2 I wouldn't go blowing a MC2 lode on Locke for that alone.

That said you are right. Wait for the results of your SSB fest draws, if you get anything good then level cap break that character.

Also, for the record, Bartz's MC3 is Dualcast Spellblade, which... honesty dualcast Materiae aren't that great compared to Devotion/Dragoon's Determination unless you're within the range of the damage boost you get from those materia from the damage cap. I mathed it out a while back and Dualcast black had to go off once every 6 turns in order for it to break even with Devotion, and it goes off 12.5% of the time. Spellblade is probably similar except that it consistently is much further away from the damage cap than Black Magic was. THAT SAID, it's not a bad materia option to have and Bartz is a pretty good character otherwise.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 18, 2016, 07:22:34 AM
So I drew four gigantaurs in my post-work stamina.  Three dropped Major Black.  R3 Meteor get!  Also means I can drop grindans to clear the Firion event saturday night/sunday morning and have it done going into the all important Phase 2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 18, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
Yeah, vanilles deprotectga relic and Lockes aoe slow relic.

And yeah good point about waiting for the celebration banners.

Not like I can break them immediately anyways.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on March 19, 2016, 01:29:50 AM
Has anyone else's Major Orb drop rate been ridiculous? I haven't done a full dungeon run yet without at least -one- Major Orb dropping. (In fact, at one point, I got 3 Major Orbs in one battle once, so I decided to my Daily Draw then, and that's when my Drill dropped.)

Good RNG for me or is the Major rate up?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 19, 2016, 01:31:37 AM
RNG, I got three Majors total on over two days. It doesn't matter nearly as much with orb conversion (and I've been getting good Greater drops), but yeah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 19, 2016, 02:55:32 AM
I got 5 majors the first day, nothing today though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 19, 2016, 07:57:18 PM
Queklain may be the easiest U+ boss I've ever fought, though this is largely thanks to my pulling on FFT banners like it's my dick giving me ridiculous synergy here. Agrias dealt 19998 damage with each Saint Cross post-Stongwater. Comparatively, her SSB dealt 12000-14000. Zack broke 500 STR thanks to the 6* Nu-Kai Armband combined with a 6* Main Gauche. No medals lost. FFT is officially my best synergy realm followed by FF5 and FF6, and I am perfectly OK with this.  Team was Ramza/Agrias/Zack/Tyro/Aeris with all the interesting bits already mentioned.

Cloud and Terra were a bit harder in the Dissidia event, but also eventually got it with the quest and no medals lost. The Darkness class skillset rocks face even at low hones when your opponents are weak to Dark. Dark Raid (Attack + Self ATKUP/DEFDOWN), + Dark Sword Wave (A Combat Skill, actually) had Sephy pumping out Constant 9s, and even without Memento Mori Kefka got a lot of use out of the 2-hit 5* Darkness skill whose name escapes me now. Too bad this is the only time ever that I've encountered a boss that mattered with Dark weakness.  This team was a bit more interesting, so,

Kefka (Drainga R3, 5* Dark spell R2), Devotion. Probably should have had dualcast here, actually, as Drainga was hitting 9700 without bufffs.
Sandwichman (Dark Raid R3, Dark Sword Wave R4), Dragoon's determination
Zack (Drain Sword, Indoor Spell), Mako Might
Tyro (Break Fever, R4 Curaja), Dr. Mog's Beatings
Aeris (Strongwater, R5 Curaja), Ace Striker
SG RW

Zack was nigh-useless except for his Hastega, but that'll do, pig. That'll do, and it did. I was more than a little amused that Zack, Sephiroth, and Aeris were teaming up to take down Cloud.

FF13 event up next. Cid is apparently a bird in this game? Whatever.

In other news, I finished up all of the Elite dungeons, though I missed mastery on 4 of them (3 when I was not taking Elites seriously, 1 recently when I don't even remember doing that dungeon so I must have been blacked out, gj bye bye 61 Stamina). Got up to 50 mythril again, and am reaaaaaaally tempted to try again for Scream, but I'm gonna hold steady and just bank on the assumption that it will show up again shortly during the Orbfest banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 20, 2016, 04:48:48 AM
Welp, FF2 event is up and I only have Minwu recruitment left for wussy dungeons. Got Firion's MC along the way and I'm likely levelling him up because obsession. Currently I'm also pumping up Selphie, Garnet, Mean Cecil, Galuf and WoL and they should be fully levelled before Lucky Draw banners kick in. My life is expectations.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 20, 2016, 08:22:28 AM
Dollar draw coughed up Werebuster, the Cure-tier medica staff.  It's crazy outdated (99 Mag and 88 Mind at L20) but hey, it'll do for this event at least.  I suspect it has a future as a Rosetta Stone though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 20, 2016, 03:22:37 PM
I haven't been getting nearly as good a Gigantuar rate as some of you (three so far) but it's been enough, combined with the rewards from the FF9 event, for me to finally bank enough majors to craft one 5* ability of my choosing. Given that it'll be a long time before I can hone whatever I get, what's my best bet? Full Break?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 20, 2016, 03:28:50 PM
Welp, ridiculous-stat Ifrit's being re-issued. I was gonna math out damage numbers on DEF piercing abilities but I couldn't find consistent formulae for them so I just plugged the characters I'd probably be using into Fabul castle and tested them out.

Piercing Strike deals 4000 damage from Jecht, so I can expect a bit more thanks to synergy, Punishing Palm, and levelling him up on the last bit of Sundaily. That's actually pretty good.

Tyro would be my best bet for Ninja damage, and his ninja scroll dealllllls........................ 2400.

That's... really disappointing. :O And checking in on it, Ifrit's not even weak to Water, he's only weak to Ice, and there's no Ice Scroll. He was doing more with Blizzaja IIRC.

What the fuck, Ninja. Suck less pls.

I guess now my plan is to hone Punishing palm as much as I can, have Tyro use Lifesyphon a bunch to block magic with his BSSB, have Ramza on break duty and Zack hasting/Blizzara striking. Too much MT damage to try to cheese it with Grand Cross and CAMB. Hmmmm

EDIT: Shale, either Full Break or Meteo. Meteo will be better for farming, Full Break is probably better overall. Neither of them use the same orbs, either, so you can craft both. You may want to save Earth orbs for honing Saint's Cross to R2 (you'll get the skill itself for free in a few events), but yeah.

EDIT2: In other news, I realized that I had enough MC2 lodes to get every single one of the MC2s that are available in the game. go me
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 21, 2016, 01:28:54 AM
I haven't been getting nearly as good a Gigantuar rate as some of you (three so far) but it's been enough, combined with the rewards from the FF9 event, for me to finally bank enough majors to craft one 5* ability of my choosing. Given that it'll be a long time before I can hone whatever I get, what's my best bet? Full Break?

Full Break has more long-term use and it's useful even at R1 against bosses if you have decently honed (as in, R2-R3) Breakdowns, since it stacks with them. Meteor... it's great for farming/trash/dailies, but I'm not sure how useful it'll be for you compared to, say, R2 summons if we're talking trash clearing, and it takes a pretty stacked mage setup to make Meteor worth it against Ultimates at this point where their RES began rising higher than DEF. It made my life a lot easier for all the time I had it, but it was a different time and a different metagame.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 21, 2016, 04:37:53 AM
Eh, I disagree that Meteo is less useful than R2 summons now, primarily because with consistent farming R2 meteo is going to actually be EASIER to get than, say, R4 Valefor. Yall should be getting a new daily dungeon level with drastically improved Major orb yields after this orbfest.

 I have had no regrets with Meteo and there's quite a few upcoming Ultimate bosses that I wish I had had even R2 Meteo for that would have made my life easier, particularly Leblanc's crew in the FFX2 event and the Disciplinary committee during the‥ I think that was the Edea event?

IIRC, Shale is also still only sometimes clearing ++ and +++ content too, right? I recall a number of bosses that made me want MT damage back around the events you're about to get. The FF12 event's +++ comes to mind.

EDIT: Going through victory videos of Ifrit. Scrolled through the comments, found this:

昨日の飲み会で二日酔いになってるミーチャンです(笑)、まだやってない(やれる状態じゃない笑)ですが ...

"It's me, Mi-chan. Last night I was out drinking and so I'm hungover now. I haven't tried the fight (I am way too hungover for that shit lol) ..."

man I feel you random japanese youtube person welcome to my fuckin' life
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 21, 2016, 09:00:10 AM
Sitting on 286 Mithril right now, and trying to think of how much of what I should pull on.  One on each banner of SSBfest, and one more for FFT, since I'll easily have the extra 14 Mithril by then?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 21, 2016, 02:24:27 PM
MC1 lodes handed out today. It's so bizarre having Edward and Ingus cap-broken.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 21, 2016, 03:47:30 PM
With 1 to spare.

They still won't give warrior his chance to shine.

Ff2 event complete for now. Now, but to the orb orgy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 21, 2016, 07:58:03 PM
Sitting on 260+ Mithril myself, but saving it for the SSBfest.  I'd consider throwing it on the FF2 Banner for synergy...

Except FF2 Events don't really exist after this one (and of course, I realize after I say this, when the next batch of confirmed events end, they'll announce a Guy event, and I shoot myself in the foot) and I'm mostly done with the Elite Content (heck, I'd be done if Orbfest didn't pop up!)...if not being straight up done already, honestly can't remember, too lazy to check.  Leon's Armor would be nice as would Maria's Bow if I wanted Mage meta, but Basch's Shield is better for the latter (outside of Leon's earlier MC2 access) seeing as FF12 stuff DOES exist and there are other opportunities for MT Magic boosts on more prevalent characters...

...now watch as I get Maria's Bow via a 100 Gem Pull anyway...and of course by saying that, I just jinxed it!  yay superstition!


Anyway, seems someone crafted Neo-Bahamut.  18x damage over 3 hits.  Considering Bahamut is I believe 15x damage over 3 hits, that's kind of appropriate.  Legitimate upgrade from everything else in the moveset by a kind of notable amount (only 20% damage, but to be fair, Bahamut is really strong as is), and not embarrassing for it's difficulty like Ultima was.
Meltdown is the next one, another Black Magic, and while I'd be all "oh cool, maybe they'll make it based off FF8 and thus Mental/Armor Breakdown off high damage!"...it's abyss boss is Kaiser Dragon...which is an FF6 boss...yay big recoil damage move incoming -_-
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 21, 2016, 08:39:57 PM
IIRC, Shale is also still only sometimes clearing ++ and +++ content too, right? I recall a number of bosses that made me want MT damage back around the events you're about to get. The FF12 event's +++ comes to mind.

I haven't had trouble with a ++ for a while now, but multiple-opponent +++ fights are definitely a stumbling block. (FF8's Esthar Soldiers kicked my ass all over the place, while the FF9 event's +++ was a cakewalk, for instance)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 22, 2016, 11:27:31 AM
And my first Lucky Draw gives me Dark Knight Cecil's Dark Sword with its Darkness SB (NONE MORE GOTH) which I guess is one way of improving my AOE damage. It beats out Yoshimitsu and Burning Fist as my highest-ATK weapon before synergies, so that's nice to have.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 22, 2016, 11:37:48 AM
In the first day of Lucky Draws, DeNa gave to me... Mean Cecil's Shadowblade. Sure, I badly needed FF4 physical synergy and it's a Boostga for a double-cap-broken char that stacks with Dark Raid.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 22, 2016, 11:38:49 AM
CECIL BROS
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 22, 2016, 11:42:32 AM
HIGH FIVE
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 22, 2016, 12:20:02 PM
he isn't mean hes just misunderstood guys
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 22, 2016, 01:57:37 PM
MID DRIFT POWAAAAAAAAAH!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 22, 2016, 02:43:59 PM
On the first day of Lucky Draw, DeNa gave to me...

Eight pieces of junk
Two FF9 Gladiuses
and a FF2 Cat Claw.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on March 22, 2016, 02:49:38 PM
Lucky Draw is Lucky: Squall's SSB and a second FF9 Steiner's Thunder Blade for more true 6* Swords.

Getting another SSB is fuckin' awesome. Also, looks like the game wants me to use Spellblades more.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 22, 2016, 02:51:01 PM
Check your gift boxes, the 25 Mythril for anniversary celebrations has arrived.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 22, 2016, 03:49:19 PM
If my prior post was too cryptic, Dena awarded me with another main characters weapon.

This time, it's vaan's sapping dagger. Not awful actually!

Recap. I now have relics for 1,2,4,6,7,8,9,10, and 12's MC.

I'm counting Zack as ff7s main character. Shhh
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 22, 2016, 04:05:16 PM
Well, he's Crisis Core's main. So it goes.

EDIT: Donkey Kong Cecil's Soul Eater's a +35% ATK buff? Welp, that's actually better than both Rikku's and Mog's Boostgas for physical damage. That's pretty nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 22, 2016, 05:57:45 PM
Mog's Heroic Scarf (alas, outdated as shit buuuuut hey, it's a new tool in the box) and a second Polymorph Rod for Tellah.  By which I mean yay my best transferable magestick is notably better.  Acceptable.  Considering ducking out of the other two though, only at 116 mythril and repurposing the other 50 gift mythril is sounding better than more draws in the overly wide lucky draw.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 22, 2016, 06:14:13 PM
The remaining 50 Mythril should be replenished when they give out Ultros on the 29th. Unless the remaining 50 myth would duck you out from pulling -at all- on anything else, the gamble's worth it if only because it's still half-priced.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 22, 2016, 07:04:16 PM
Mmm.  In my head I'm mostly figuring I want at least three pulls on FFT, and at 116 this morning with two events (including FFT itself) upcoming that'll tap me out again.  Although that does fail to account for the oddball prizes from the website events, so that shouldn't be a problem.  But repurposing that 50 mythril gives me a full draw on one of the celebration banners which I'm currently just doing dollar pulls on, and a bite at banner 4 or 5 is somewhat more tempting than two lucky banner shots despite the odds being more favorable pound for pound.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 22, 2016, 07:15:39 PM
When it comes to that, there's no way to tell whether it'll pay off or not until the chips drop. My take on it is that you'll at least have a better shot at character SB relics -and- more shots at it, since it's 12,8% vs. 9% (4% odds of landing off-banner relics on the SSB celebration draws and all).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 22, 2016, 07:25:49 PM
Yeah. I'm at 343 today. If I've mathed out the amount of mithril we can get from now until the end of fft, I can see myself getting near 440.

Assuming we do get 50 more mithril for these lucky draws and we get the best reward for the quiz.

That should leave me at or close to 5 draws for fft, and draws for the ssssssssb banner 1,4 n 5. Plus the 2 other lucky draws.

We will see how it all plays out.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 22, 2016, 07:31:10 PM
Some folks spitballed the odds of good/useful character relics at around 50%, and while that was tailored to their own relics I imagine mine are in the same ballpark.  So I'm looking at it as more 6% chance of good and 6% chance of rosetta stone.  And EVEN THEN it's a close call so I may well say fuck it and draw.  I got all day to ponder it in any case.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 22, 2016, 07:40:46 PM
I'm at 235 today without having touched the FF2 event, so I've got five pulls at the SSBFest coming. Hopefully I can justify banking for FFT, but I guess I'll see what I end up with from the other Lucky Draws.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on March 22, 2016, 08:45:29 PM
i'm a squirrelkin please respect my identity, welp bye selphie

(http://i.imgur.com/QAEMzd3h.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 22, 2016, 09:22:36 PM
Rikku's Guardian Targe and Firion's Demon Axe.  Not sure if this helps me or not.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 22, 2016, 09:32:06 PM
Firion now can get to L80, which isn't too bad and Rikku's SB is legit, coming from someone who has used it in various instances. The RES +50% effect stacks with both Shellga and SG, which is pretty neat for the magic-heavy fights in this game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 22, 2016, 09:44:56 PM
Oh it does stack with SG?  That's actually good then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 23, 2016, 02:41:28 AM
Minwu bonus battles are out. By which I mean they promptly get to languish until the 25th because Power/Wind/Non-Elemental farming is top priority.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on March 23, 2016, 03:55:03 AM
Haha, some guy on Reddit has Thief's Revenge honed to R4 already. That must be every one of his orbs forever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on March 23, 2016, 03:59:37 AM
That's nothing compared to the guy who R4'd Quick Hit several months ago.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 23, 2016, 03:59:52 AM
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 23, 2016, 04:17:15 AM
Why Quick Hit?  That's the best dps in the game by a large margin, it's just impossible to hone unless you're Robsaiken.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 23, 2016, 04:40:41 AM
Even after all the multi hit abilities came out? I doubt quit hit deals more DPS than, say a decently honed Full Charge/Chain Starter combo, or Theif's Revenge on a well trained Theif
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on March 23, 2016, 05:31:26 AM
Quick Hit does in fact beat both of those under Haste, since its multiplier is high (2.4x). Haste has no impact on charge times, so QH benefits far more from it than any other abilities.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 23, 2016, 06:29:33 AM
Quick Hit in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iQg1wEQh9s&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 23, 2016, 07:21:12 AM
Dang ok that's pretty baller
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 23, 2016, 10:47:37 AM
On the second day of Lucky Draw, DeNa gave to me... a second Guardian Targe, Irvine's Ulysses and Kimahri's Dusk Lance. WELP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 23, 2016, 11:27:06 AM
We got a lucky draw too, for black mages (and apparently a second 6* black magic spell because Ultima sucks). I successfully turned 25 mythril into 36000 gil. Not even any useful 4 stars.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 23, 2016, 11:53:37 AM
My condolences. Getting no 5-stars on Lucky Draws feels particularly painful. I'm just happy I've got potentially useful stuff on my first two draws at this point (Shadowblade is weirdly neat, Ulysses is my first reasonable-duration stackable dual Breakdown SB and also my strongest gun bar none - not to mention I really could use some offensive Support SBs at this point - and uh Dusk Lance is a neat FFX stat stick due to the MAG and decent attack. Having a native source of Magic Blink is neat, but I doubt it's worth deploying Kimahri for. The Guardian Targe... well, I suppose it has good stats now).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 23, 2016, 11:56:07 AM
Bros again! Except I just got the Dusk Lance. Fucking Lucky Draws.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 23, 2016, 11:58:40 AM
We're in an eerie position here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 23, 2016, 12:04:30 PM
Tidus' Lightning Steel for the Lucky Draw.

Not exactly thrilled about it, but it could be worse.  I already had Tidus' Brotherhood, but I guess it's nice to have a better Single Target Soul Break for him, and the Lightning Damage Boost means it has more universal uses outside of FF10 Realms as well.  Better than yesterday, at least.


That said, someone crafted Meltdown, the new 6* Skill.  It's apparently 4.9x3 (14.7x) potency, Fire/Earth/Wind (hitting whatever is most beneficial).  This actually legitimately good; 3 weaknesses to hit, one of which Black Magic couldn't hit before (Wind), and can be boosted by 3 elements as well.  It gives Rinoa a use for her En-Earth Soul Break, for example.

Makes me wonder what the hell they were thinking with Ultima -_-
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 23, 2016, 12:47:57 PM
On the second day of Lucky Draw, DeNA gave to me...

Eight pieces of chaff
My third Crystal Glove (making my third 7* Glove)
Steiner's Thunder Blade
And Squall's SSB weapon

Real winner of a day compared to yesterday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 23, 2016, 02:32:17 PM
Brave blade and ninja chain mail.

Uhm.

Another Mc relic. Lol

So I only lack 3 and 13? Does ff14 have anyone resembling a main character?

I'm OK with these results.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 23, 2016, 04:50:26 PM
[10:28] <MagicFanatic> ...Aaaaahahahaha.  I just did the Lucky Draw on my nephew's iPad.  He got two 5*s - Wakka's Official Ball, and Wakka's All-Rounder.
[10:39] <MagicFanatic> ...Well then.  I just did it on my mother's iPad, and she got Gilgamesh's Kotetsu, Cyan's Kotetsu, Aeris's Aurora Rod, and Kefka's Cloak.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 23, 2016, 06:49:19 PM
L65'd Firion, currently levelling Irvine for purposes of usability and Soul Break mastery. I also brought Shadow because his MC2's coming up in April and I'd rather have him up and ready for the cap-break. Also upping Donkey Kong Cecil to L80 (L76 right now) because Shadowblade and Leila to L65 because I've lost control of my life.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on March 23, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
XII Zwill Crossblade (Vaan)

up to 2 5* XII daggers, the wonders

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 24, 2016, 12:01:01 AM
Second Zwil Crossblade, Aurora Rod.

Yeah that sounds about right.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 24, 2016, 12:43:50 AM
Zwill  buddies, let's expose our tummies in appreciation of how much we love Vaan!!!!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 24, 2016, 04:32:50 AM
Beat the Gigas, had to throw mithril at them because seriously, I hate that style of fight and just wanted it over with and I had plenty to spare.  Not going into set up, just **** that fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 24, 2016, 05:22:06 AM
Beat the Ultimate Gigases, first try, and I think I overprepared for the fight.

Y'shtola L65 - Curaga R5/Diaga R4 - Dr. Mog's Teachings - Stoneskin 2
Rinoa L80 - Ruinga R3/Blizzaga R5 - Devotion - Angel Wing Quake (I needed a Slow, otherwise Terra would've been here)
Squall L71 - Bio Strike R3/Lifesiphon R4 - Dragoon's Determination - Blasting Zone (I got this out of a Lucky Draw, so I couldn't help myself in slotting him now)
Faris L61 - Dark Buster R3/Exhausting Polka R1 - Mako Might - Sea Lord's Broadside
Eiko L65 - Curaga R4/Protectga R2 - Knight's Charge - Emerald Light
RW: Quistis's Mighty Guard (VIII)

Despite lots of numbers, I never really felt like I was in danger.  Ever.  Do I just have a party perfectly set up for it or something?



EDIT:

On the third day of Lucky Draw, DeNA gave to me:

My FOURTH Ninja Chainmail
Fang's Pulsar Blast
and Gordon's Flame Shield. (Probably one of the most usable shields in the game.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 24, 2016, 09:28:56 AM
Yoshiyuki, Rising Sun (VIII), Ice Whip, Moore Branch.

Fine, fine, DeNA, Snow was right all along.  Also I guess I go 0/33 on FFT now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on March 24, 2016, 09:58:58 AM
Lucky Draw: 5/33 so far.
Steiner got a 6* sword
Squall got an SSB sword
FF1 got a sword (my first FF1 RS relic)
Irvine got his new gun, thus my new best ranged weapon
Josef got his new glove, thus becoming my best glove and my first FF2 RS relic. This is useful in the current event too!

I now have RS weapons for every realm. That's pretty cool in its own way.

This has been a pretty nice anniversary.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 24, 2016, 10:42:54 AM
In the last day of Lucky Draws, DeNa gave to me... Edge's Murasame! Coolest katana in Global (not best, coolest) as of now and the AoE cancel will definitely come in handy for the Gigases. Weirdass haul, but definitely neat in the end, propping up my worst physical synergy to something solid enough and landing a bunch of fun equips I would've never gotten in their original banners because of chaff + six-months clairvoyance. Balancing my Lucky Draw tally up to average is also cool. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on March 24, 2016, 11:16:57 AM
Holy crap, Co-op FFRK. And it looks pretty fucking awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMV7nWmRtcs&feature=youtu.be

But yeah, I guess it becomes officially a kind of MMO at this stage?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 24, 2016, 11:38:33 AM
On the last day of Lucky Draws DeNa gave to me....finally, an SSB! Organics, plus a Shimmering Blade! Cloud's sword makes me glad I got him to L80 and takes him from "first character I got an MC2 for" to "best damage dealer by far," while Auron's katana is, while not spectacular, a debuff SB and my first 5 star katana of any kind, so it most definitely fills a need. Yay!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 24, 2016, 12:04:24 PM
We're no longer relic bros. =( Congrats, though, getting an SSB is always cool and hey, for Auron's Katana, the FFX-2 event is right around the corner and it'll unlock his second cap-break.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 24, 2016, 12:19:49 PM
I got Seifer's Coat and that's it.  Pretty lousy results for the Lucky Draws over here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 24, 2016, 12:35:12 PM
Warning: Sperg ahead.

So I realized that probably by far and away the best thing I can be doing with my Record Dive materials is pumping Tyro up. He's kinda useless now minus his amazeballs BSSB and some minor utility, and because of that BSSB he's almost never not going to be on my A-team for some of the harder fights, so time to start pumping him up. But just how much full 100% mastery help his case?!? Currently at L80 and two classes mastered, his important stats are:

ATK 117, MAG 106, MND 106

I already had a couple classes mastered and calculated what his stats should be without those levels, discrepancies are due to maths errors. His DEF and MDEF aren't terribly off from his counterparts (though Zack's DEF is kinda shit 113 at L80 lol k son), and his HP is fine (beats Aeris' by a lot, and stands to beat some others after some pumping. So let's go through what each class gives him and see just how beefy your Shitbrat Can Be:

3* upgrade mats:

Warrior: ATK1, HP70, DEF1, ATK1, ATK 3 = HP 70, ATK 5, DEF1, 0 rest at mastery
Knight: DEF1, ATK1, HP100, DEF1, DEF2 = HP100, ATK1, DEF5, 0 rest
Hunter: MAG1, DEF1, ATK1, HP60, MND2 = HP60, ATK1, DEF1, MAG1, MIND2, 0 rest
Thief:  MND1, DEF1, ATK1, HP55, MAG2 = HP55, ATK1, DEF1, MAG2, MND1, 0 rest
BM: MAG1, HP40, MDEF1, MAG2, Skl* = HP40, ATK0, DEF0, MAG3, MND0, MDEF1
WM: MND1, HP40, MDEF1, MND2, skl**= HP40, ATK0, DEF0, MAG0, MND3, MDEF1

*BMagic Damage 3% up
**WMagic Damage 3% up

3* Class Totals = HP365, ATK8, DEF8, MAG6, MND6, MDEF2

Which brings him... nowhere near good in any stat except HP! Yay. But wait, 3* skills are a dime a dozen now that DeNA got backlash from whales about how rare they were making them at the start. 4*s, that's where the good bits are at now, eh?

M Sword: ATK3, MDEF3, HP170, ATK6, Skil% = HP170, ATK9, DEF0, MAG0, MND 0, MDEF3
Paladin: DEF3, ATK3, Def4, HP250, DEF6 =      HP250, ATK3, DEF13
Ninja:    MDef3, Mag3, DEF5, HP160, ATK6 = HP160, ATK 6, DEF5, MAG3, MND0, MDEF3
Conjuror: MAG3, HP100, MDEF3, MAG6, skl^=HP100, ATK0, DEF0, MAG9, MND0, MDEF3
Shaman: MND3, HP100, MDEF3, MND6, skl&=HP100, ATK0, DEF0, MAG0, MND9, MDEF3

4* Class TOTAL: HP780, ATK18, DEF18, MAG12, MND9, MDEF12

% Spellblade Damage +6%
^ BM damage +6%
& WM damage +6%

Doin' better. For the record, here's the combined totals:


3* and 4* Totals = HP1155, ATK26, DEF26, MAG18, MND 15, MDEF14

So after all that (and it will be a long time, 4* upgrade mats have only shown up in the super-difficult Ifrit battle and the U+-grade FF13 battle we just got), Your Tyro can have, at base:

HP6699, ATK143, DEF132, MAG124, MND121, MDEF 120

Now let's be clear, they're still not spectacular (HP aside, that beats out everyone in my A-team by a lot), especially when you take into account that other characters can get Record Dive benefits and pouring all your mats into Tyro means they won't get better. BUT, with synergy I regularly scrape the ATK softcap and whatnot on those characters so they don't really need it as much. #welfare and all that. He still drags waaaaaay behind in MAG compared to, say, Terra and Krile, though the total+9% innate bonus to Magic helps him there. He also isn't anywhere near Bartz, Zack, Agrias, or Seph, but is only 20 points behind Gilgamesh and Faris at base, and 30 (ok 28) behind Ramza, which is honestly fine for the role he fills.

The nice thing, too, is that given the way upgrade mats work, pumping up both his physical and his magical classes aren't mutually exclusive. He won't ever be great, but he won't be nearly so garbage at everything once I get him up to snuff. Maybe I'll even change his name when that day happens.

Oh, and he has one more class. I didn't bring it up because I have the feeling it uses 5* materials. It gives him another 6 MAG and MIND (Totals: 130MAG, 127MND), sleep and silence resist, and another 9% damage mod when hitting a weakness. That gives him an innate 18% damage boost when hitting weakness off Black and White magic, and 15% off higher base ATK when hitting weakness against Spellblade. All this makes him a lot less useless stat wise.

He also can use neat combos like Dark Raid and Saint's Cross, so maybe I need to rethink his role in my party (esp. because his breakdown burst attacks are physical).

Sperg over.

---

Wrapped up some events, FF13 event bonus battles are done and unnoteworthy, except to note that I thoroughly dislike the Start: Doom conditions to most of the FF13 boss battles. Also beat the 4* Mat boss for FF13, actually quite reasonable. Good, that means I only have to put effort into Ifrit. Still waiting on trying that again until after Sundaily, since I want to get Jecht leveled up, though maybe I should try it beforehand in case plan: make Monk Useful fails. Eh, I have people to be social with and habits to form, plus also I just don't really want to do it. We'll see how that goes. Doing all this Tyro math did help me get pumped up for suckin' out them sweet, sweet Ifrit resources tho.

Ninja edit: Mog Party, Drama King Cecil Party (that nullifies mog party but stfu), plus a SSB? Shale you better be clearin' the ultimates from now on. You're now better equipped than I was at your age. 
Actual EDIT: Though really you could do with a Hastega, or at least a Medica too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 24, 2016, 12:52:02 PM
He has Lenna's Hymn of the Fayth clone, so all he lacks is Hastega and Wall. Yeah, he's in shape for tackling the Ultimates relic-wise and the orbfest should get his hones up to the task.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 24, 2016, 01:05:09 PM
By the end of Orbfest I should have, at minimum:
R3 Power/Magic Breakdown
R1 Full Break
R3 Lifesiphon
R5 Tempo Flurry
R4 -ara spellblades
R3 Diaga
R2 for one or both of Protectga/Shellga

And waaaaay better character levels than I started with. It's definitely time to start at least trying those fights. And if I manage to get a good SSBFest pull or two, well....
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 24, 2016, 01:23:37 PM
Last day nabbed me my first ssb relic.

Nanakis!

So does reds ssb stack with shell or sg?

I guess it's not terrible for that realms full breaker.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 24, 2016, 01:27:12 PM
Silly Shale, you already have an OK SSB (more physical SSBs will not hurt, of course. That said any Hastega and Thyrus/Sentinel's Grimore are on the whole more important). I can attest that as long as you have a Medica and a Boostga, and decent hones, you can beat all of the Ultimates (not including U+s) from here on out if u believe in urself. If you get Hastega or Wall you don't even need decent hones probably (and can probably take down the U+ fights)

Also, thinking past orbfest, y'all will be getting a much more generous farming dungeon, both in consumes-your-time and gives-you-stuff. 30 stamina/battle (90/dungeon), easily average 1 Major orb a day with that, and ~7-8 major orbs a day, so hones also won't really be much of a chore anymore. If I really don't want to play farming takes up 3 10-minute sessions a day now. Is nice.

EDIT: Scar: Uhhh it's... well, it's an SSB, so it boost stats when mastered. It's in that weird class of SSBs that are decidedly worse than a character's other non-Super SBs, just because Hastega is going to be more valuable on the whole than 10 hits of damage + Shell. Still, if you don't already have Lunatic High, and especially if you don't have any good Soul Breaks on another Support5 character, then yeah hey great addition to Red XIII, his base soul break sucks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 24, 2016, 01:50:24 PM
That reminds me, at some point I need to get back to clearing core dungeons so I can get my stamina above 90.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 24, 2016, 02:01:38 PM
Man, you definitely should once you're done with orbfest. Lots of Mythril to claim for future pulls and the banner quality overall is only going up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 24, 2016, 02:11:19 PM
Well.  I now have a reason to try to convince my nephew to stick with FFRK.

I just drew Quistis's Red Scorpion on his iPad, plus some Aeris stuff.

...His got better pulls than me...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 24, 2016, 02:16:48 PM
Last day nabbed me my first ssb relic.

Nanakis!

So does reds ssb stack with shell or sg?

His SSB grants Shell, so it stacks with SG and the separate RES+ x% effects.

134 Mythril currently, going up to 151 by the time I'm done with Yuna's FFX-2 event -not counting- the 50 Mythril we may receive once we get the Ultros summon. That'll be pretty good for an actual try at my planned SSBS banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 24, 2016, 02:20:29 PM
That reminds me, at some point I need to get back to clearing core dungeons so I can get my stamina above 90.

...

Y'know, I really wish I could play the game like you.

Well.  I now have a reason to try to convince my nephew to stick with FFRK.

I just drew Quistis's Red Scorpion on his iPad, plus some Aeris stuff.

...His got better pulls than me...

OK at least I am not playing accounts for family members to get them interested in the game. JFC Magic you got a problem bro.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 24, 2016, 02:29:58 PM
OK at least I am not playing accounts for family members to get them interested in the game. JFC Magic you got a problem bro.

Of course I have a problem.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 24, 2016, 04:02:28 PM
That reminds me, at some point I need to get back to clearing core dungeons so I can get my stamina above 90.

...

Y'know, I really wish I could play the game like you.

All you have to do is look at the middle tier of core dungeons, see that they offer terrible, terrible rewards, and allocate your time (and stamina) accordingly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on March 24, 2016, 04:15:40 PM
JOSEF 5EVER

(http://i.imgur.com/Co9YrB0h.png)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 24, 2016, 04:56:08 PM
...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on March 24, 2016, 05:10:03 PM
1/33, just Demon Axe for me. Bad luck with Lucky Draws continues for me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 24, 2016, 06:43:30 PM
Yoshiyuki, Rising Sun (VIII), Ice Whip, Moore Branch.

Fine, fine, DeNA, Snow was right all along.

This is all that matters.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 24, 2016, 07:38:40 PM
At this point, I'm just leveling up Quistis in my nephew's iPad so I can have an on-call Mighty Guard 8.  Otherwise, now I'm just waiting for something to happen.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 25, 2016, 01:36:28 PM
Welp, anniversary 50 Mythril cnfrm'd, we don't get Excalipoor (we get a 5* FFX dagger instead) and they replaced Full Metal Rod with Lullaby Rod on banner 1. Welp, nice to know I'll just 100-gem that one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 25, 2016, 03:02:11 PM
The FF10 5* Dagger is actually a pleasant surprise.  Instead of a gag 5* that is basically a free Rosetta Stone in Excalipoor, we get a...legitimate 5* Dagger from a realm that kind of lacks daggers.  Now granted, I'm in no need for FF10 synergy; I have 2 Swords, a Katana and a Lance as far as melee weapons go, but hey, the variety is appreciated. 

And it is a legitimate 5*.  Not a 4.5* like other free gear such as the Holiday Equips, the New Years Gun, or the Gold Sword, but an actual 5* Dagger.  104 Power is about on par with Vaan's Zwill Crossblade, after all, and it has a Shared Soul Break on top of that, so it's an actual legitimate weapon, as opposed to "good only if you're a newcomer or if paired with Realm Synergy."


That said, Lucky Draws for me were 2/33.  Just Tidus' Lightning Steel, and Seifer's Coat.  I guess those are alright, but disappointing draw as it's still less than 1 5* per Realm, and as implied above, FF10 is not a realm I needed more synergy from (not starving for FF8 either, but at least Seifer's Coat does have a niche in being a Light Armor that boosts attack, that scales with Synergy, so that's a notable quirk at least.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 25, 2016, 03:17:50 PM
Okay, so I finally finished Minwu event's bonus battles. Emperor is sorta annoying, I had to retreat and pack Slowga on Y'shtola and Dispel on Yuna to make him reasonable. The Gigases... man, was that ugly. My setup:

L80 Donkey Kong Cecil - Pound, Magic Break, Mako Might RM
L65 Zidane - Blind Shell, Lifesiphon, Dragoon's Determination RM
L65 Eiko - Curaja, Shellga, Dr. Mog's Teachings RM
L80 Rinoa - Blizzaja, Meteor, Knight's Charge RM
L65 Edge - Dismissal, Tempo Flurry, Ace Striker RM

Sentinel's Grimoire RW

My idea was to use Cecil's Boostga to improve offense and Edge's AoE cancel to keep the Gigases somewhat under control. The biggest problem is that you WILL end up bereft of Sentinel's Grimoire charges by the end and their offense is way too scary to run sans SG even at their high HP phase. I went for the Thunder Gigas first, since I figured chipping the other two with Meteor until it died would be sufficient... and I was right to a degree. Thunder Gigas, being immune to Slow, is the most dangerous to leave for last if you're running the final stretch sans Wall. By the end, I had only Cecil and Rinoa alive (Fire Gigas downed Zidane with a Shift Break charge ready to go just before dying and Ice Gigas just OHKOed Edge at some point. Eiko's death was all but inevitable at that point, but I could finish him off), but I still mastered because I still had full medals for actions. I'll just take it and never think of this fight again. Weirdly, I'm not sure how would I successfully pull this fight off without the extra tools granted by the Lucky Draws. Cecil's Boostga was paramount for keeping my offense viable and Edge's cancels were all really timely until he died (he got three of them off). Go figure.

And yeah, a 104 Attack dagger for a common, dangerous realm given for free is shockingly good. Even the SB is kinda nice in a way, since Slow's a nice status to have, but difficult to slot. That's a real surprise coming from DeNa.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 25, 2016, 09:43:34 PM
Meanwhile this was not really a bad one... but uh.
Relevant Synergy: Werestaff (5 star rod), Golden Armor (5 star heavy armor)

Rinoa (Angel Wing Quake, Angel Wing Bolt)- Blizzaga/Meteor, Knight's Charge
Tyro (Sentinel's)- Protectga/Curaja, Mako Might
Tidus (Jecht Shot)- Dismissal/Tempo, Freedom's Wish
Sephiroth (Shadow Flare, Black Materia)- Lifesiphon/Darkmoon, Ace Striker
Leon (Hand of the Emperor)- Armor Strike/Banishing Strike, Mog's Teachings
RW- Mighty Guard VIII

Uh yeah mt versions of slow and blind make these guys pussycats and twin SSBs with a boost behind them rip the HP apart.  I am shock.  We also had uh 8k meteors and something like 9k off Armor Strike.  There was a close call for Sephiroth while he was charging a finishing Black Materia but nothing too bad, I'd have cleared and probably mastered even without that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 26, 2016, 02:35:58 AM
Tried phase 1...

Got zidanes ssb and a dupe lullaby rod.

Ah well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 26, 2016, 02:43:30 AM
50 mythril - Vivi's Oak Staff (already had)
15 mythril - Revolver, which I'm actually not mad about because my 8 synergy sucks and I didn't have a SB for Squall
last 50 mythril because fuck it I want Excalibur - Sabin's Dragon Claws, and two of Zidane's Orichalcum

Decent haul overall, but I didn't get Excalibur or Red Scorpion and I won't be able to do a 50 pull on phase 5.

EDIT:  Ran out of Rosetta Stones, but I now have a dagger with 141 attack without synergy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on March 26, 2016, 03:30:36 AM
100 mythril + 100 gems on banner 1 = five 4* items and zero 5* items

Ugh, that was worse than my Lucky Draws.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 26, 2016, 03:38:57 AM
I'm just waiting for phase 4 at this point. Lullaby Rod ultimately killed banner 1 for me and banner 2, even with Lulu's Hairpin, is way too awkward for me. Nothing in banner 3 really appeases me either.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on March 26, 2016, 05:35:43 AM
100 gem - V Diamond Shield

current plan is 50 on 2, 50 on 4, 300 into 5/T
if I get super lucky or yolo 50 on X 2nd banner
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 26, 2016, 05:54:13 AM
100 Gem Pull and dropped 35 Mithril on it...and got jack and shit.  Whatever, on hindsight, very little on this banner I cared about, so not sure why I bothered; maybe off chance of Hastega.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 26, 2016, 06:04:11 AM
Okay, I lied. Couldn't resist the leftover gems siren's call, but it was kinda worth it.

(http://s24.postimg.org/b66z5oz85/Oa_Cv70_D.png)

I may have a chance against that insane Ifrit now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 26, 2016, 10:13:29 AM
100 Gem Draw mk. 1- Reckt.

Nightmare- Ugh spherimorph, my ancient enemy.  You continue to be a fucker that's hard to actually LOSE.

Oh also Meeple Buster slain.  Not my cleanest fight but mastery get, with an extremely strange configuration of two medals lost for damage and one for KOs, but none for actions.  This fight is rocket tag man.  So fuckin' weird in the grander scheme of RK in general.  Actually spent several tries on this, but at 1 stamina a pop who the hell cares.  Problem ended up being simple: you CAN NOT win this fight without Haste.  That's just all there is to it.  I guess it might be technically possible but I mean, I tried using Eiko's reraise in one run because i"ve just burned all my RWs today and Hastega wasn't showing up, so what the hell, 1 stamina.  Still wasn't enough.

Keep in mind, dude OHKOed Terra with some RNG in his favor with Nightmare Thundaja.  Terra's level 80.

Team was Terra (Trance Fira), Rinoa (Angel Wing Bolt/Quake), Lulu (Focus), Exdeath (Grand Cross), Tyro (Sentinels).  Setups are somewhat academic, but general thoughts.
- SBs barely matter because even with Ace Striker on you're not gonna actually charge one before the fight turns to "you have 5 turns to win".  I think I finished with Grand Cross on the winning run but it was somewhat overkill.
- Ended up not using Focus, synergy is so high that for -aja spells?  Jumps you from 9500 to cap. 
- Meanwhilst Angel Wing Bolt dished out near-SSB numbers in backlash from the mana sphere.  Given the fight mechanics, it's somehow one of the best possible SBs for the fight thinking on it, being multi-hit and Lightning, although if someone has a multi-hit fire attack it'd be equally good.  Actual mage SSBs are non-elemental which could save you some death counters if you need to shift suddenly from phase 2 to phase 3 (ie because 120% Ultima WILL kill you), but wouldn't deal quite as much to Ultima Buster himself.

Generally hoping later ones are a bit less restrictive for overall set, but part of the problem is mages being a bit more limited in their skillset options compared to physical fighters, at least when you can't actually use their physical sets.  Although in some cases you wonder what the heck the characters are supposed to even do, like... team Support has all their actual Support skills neutered because this is an ultimate uber boss, it nulls stat breaks and status!  Then again, Ramza exists.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 26, 2016, 02:23:16 PM
Today's a good day for RMs. I got Josef's double attack RM2 to drop while clearing out the FF2 event, and now that the blank MC2s have showed up on daily rewards I can get to work grinding Tyro's RM3.

(Also, 100 gems on banner 1 got me bupkis, but did I really expect anything else?)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 26, 2016, 03:04:33 PM
I'm likely not doing Nightmare today: mastering Mighty Guard and getting some more levels for my losers is a higher priority. Good news of the day, though: got RM2s for both Edward and Firion. Meanwhile, not sure yet who's getting my MC2 lodes (no SBs for anyone but Vanille and Vivi and both Yuna and Rinoa step on their toes).

EDIT: Also, now that I got Red Scorpion, I think Banner 4 went up in priority over Banner 5 a little. Wizard's Rod would still be cool, but Mighty Guard's effect is quite similar. Also, if I get Asura's Rod from banner 4, it also suffers a little, since it's hard to juggle effectively two SBs on a single character, especially when such character lacks Lifesiphon/Wrath. This said, I want most of what both banners offer, so yeah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 26, 2016, 05:28:19 PM
I have to rub in being better than Snow.

(http://i.imgur.com/hJ03u27.png)

Lenna (Princess's Favor) - Curaja, Shellga, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Zidane (Shift Break) - Lifesiphon, Mug Time, Mako Might
Vivi (POIZN) - Bioga, Ruinga, Witch of Succession
Gilgamesh (Death Claw - didn't use) - Flame Blossom, Yukikaze, Pride of the Red Wings
Bartz (Lupine Barrage) - Blizzaga Strike, Firaga Strike, Ace Striker
Sentinel Grimoire RW

Put up mitigation, kill Fire, put up wall right as Fire dies, focus on Thunder and both Ice and Thunder died at same time.  Mug Time dominates Ice and Fire.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on March 27, 2016, 12:54:45 AM
Argh. I cannot decide how to use my three MC2s...

I grabbed Vivi with the MC2 from the nightmare dungeon, because VIVI, but now I'm torn between Bartz (great character overall plus I have his first SB and dualcast Spellblade RM is awesome), Locke for Thiefs Revenge (have the orbs to hone it nicely) and his MT slow SB, Gilgamesh because another awesome PC + I have his first SB), Lulu because I have her hairpin/Focus and there's some FFX Black Mage content right here and now left in Nightmare, Aerith because I have all of her SBs, Hope because I have all of his SBs AND he's a Black Mage for the event, Vanille uh... has a good RM for autoing during SSBfest, and uh well no I guess I'm not considering Tifa.

Beat the Gigases with full medals due to double-SSB spam and timely use of Lifesiphon SG.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 27, 2016, 02:16:13 AM
Nightmare Ultima Buster Mastered easily.  I even forgot to hit the orb with Water (twice!) and still got Mastery the second time.

Rinoa L80 - Waterga R2/ Thundaga R4 - Magic Madness
Lulu L61 - Firaga R4/Waterja R4 - Ace Striker
Tyro L80 - Curaja R4/Swift Bolt R4 - Devotion
Terra L79 - Blizzaga R5/Comet R4 - Witch of Succession
Exdeath L64 - Ruinga R3/Thundaja R4 - Mako Might - Grand Cross
RW: Quistis Mighty Guard 8

I'm just going to say this now: Runic turns the Nightmare Buster into a kitten.  With Exdeath rocking that, TYRO of all people was running my highest DPS with the Swift Bolt Scroll, and the Death counter was nullified by Grand Cross.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on March 27, 2016, 06:32:58 AM
realized i owned two relics on banner 4 already and a 6* yoshiyuki wouldn't be that bad

eh good enough

(http://i.imgur.com/SLZaJz0h.png)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 27, 2016, 07:45:57 AM
JP BSSB banners are... eh, kinda un-enticing? Honestly I'm more drawn by the Curaga-level Medica relics only banner. I may either pull on that or on the Beatrix/Cecil BSSB banner when that comes up, though I only have enough mythril for one 11 pull. I may hold out to see if there's a hastega relic only banner in the near future, too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 27, 2016, 09:42:51 PM
Finished the early parts of FF10-2 because I wanted quick mithril for latter banners, and the current phase is meh.

Also did a 100 Gem pull on the 10-2 Banner and got a Rikku Relic.  Well, can't say I'm disappointed!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 28, 2016, 02:24:26 AM
Banner 2 in SSB Celebration dropped, after looking it over, decided I cared about the relics on since there was a decent amount of stuff I could make use of!

100 Gem Pull! 3* Item!  Well, ok, that's out the way with.

Did a 11 pull, got 2 Fairy Flutes, Lulu's Hairpin, and a Minotaur Plate.  So a generic 5* not on the banner that has a good Shared SOul Break, a 2nd Medica in a realm I could use a bit more from, and the ONLY Magic Boosting Soul Break that stacks...yeah, I'm good for this banner.  Seriously though, I'm happy because Lulu's Hairpin was one of the big things I wanted, since it means I do legitimate Mage Meta.  Now I just need to look out for Kefka Magitek Infusion RWs <_<

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 28, 2016, 03:23:37 AM
100 Gem Draw mk. 2- Locke's Wing Edge.

Phase 3 of orbfest seems to really love it some White orbs.  Alas.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on March 28, 2016, 04:15:49 AM
didn't believe hard enough

(http://i.imgur.com/GQpr3Olh.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 28, 2016, 04:28:10 AM
Threw 35 more mithril at Banner 2 because I realized I'm not spending on Banner 3 at all, and after assessing Banner 4, there's not enough I care about (or other things will pop up in the future that are similarly good), so yeah...

Ended up with another Aevis Killer, so I have a 5+* Bow for FF5 Realms.  Could be worse I suppose.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 28, 2016, 12:03:49 PM
Ultima Buster beaten.  Killed it on first try but missed mastery.  Swapped in auto-reflect so that I stopped killing myself when mana sphere showed up and mastered it easily.

Also amusing, Vivi procced Blood of the Espers when casting Flare on Mana Sphere.  Second hit targeted Ultima and got reflected onto Vivi for 8500 damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 28, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
Ultima Buster beaten.  Killed it on first try but missed mastery.  Swapped in auto-reflect so that I stopped killing myself when mana sphere showed up and mastered it easily.

Also amusing, Vivi procced Blood of the Espers when casting Flare on Mana Sphere.  Second hit targeted Ultima and got reflected onto Vivi for 8500 damage.

dualcast.gif

Yeah that is definitely the problem with the dualcast skills (minus Summon for obvious reasons). The targetting on them is absolute garbage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 28, 2016, 04:51:53 PM
Jeez, the FF2 emperor +++ fight is a slog. I went in the first time hoping Grand Cross would own it, but didn't realize it wouldn't catch his self-targeted Haste so that was a waste of 40 stamina. I guess Wall RW is the way to go, and just hope I can power through his second HP bar before it's gone -- Starfall is murderous even with Shell up, and MT slow means Garnet's RES up/Hasteaga won't reliably stick around.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 28, 2016, 11:07:16 PM
The worst part of Emperor +++ is, near as I can tell, Starfall is completely random.  Most of these "beat boss before they use move x number of times" tend to be fine since usually there's a few scripted versions, and only late in the fight will they have a chance to do it.

Like Beatrix is beat her before she uses a 3rd Climhazzard.  First 2 Climhazzards are scripted to happen at specific HP Benchmarks, the 3rd I believe only happens if she gets a certain number of turns after her 2nd Climhazzard, so really it's just a DPS Race. 

Emperor?  One run which was going fine ended because he decided to use Starfall in his last like 15% health 3 turns in a row, having used it twice before.  That's a mastery condition completely screwed right there and nothing I could do about it.  It's definitely not a scripting thing either; first few fights I thought it was "Starfall after he uses Elixir" but in the winning run, he fired off Starfall BEFORE the Elixir, and then randomly threw it afterwards throughout the fight. 

It's really a dumb and obnoxious fight, frankly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 28, 2016, 11:22:13 PM
Don't forget to bring Dispel/Banishing Strike, by the way. Haste is hardly the only thing it has to bear. And yeah, Meeple is right, there's no rhyme and reason to his Starfall casts. My winning run involved him -not casting Starfall even once-.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 28, 2016, 11:35:00 PM
Huh, using it quickly after Elixir isn't scripted? Shitty luck for me, I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 29, 2016, 03:15:55 AM
Honed r3 Flare and r3 Thief's Revenge.  That sets me back on getting r3 Exploding Fist but I'm way short on Major Powers anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 29, 2016, 04:37:37 AM
Huh, using it quickly after Elixir isn't scripted? Shitty luck for me, I guess.

Honestly, I thought the same thing too.  I figured his script went Elixir at 50% HP -> Starfall next turn.  I think one run he used Starfall 2 turns after Elixir, so I figured maybe it was a weird 90% HP Benchmark or some such post Elixir...

...but nope, winning run, he used Starfall before the Elixir.


It's really a dumb condition.  Again, I don't mind "kill before they use this move x number of times" so long as the move in question is scripted.  Again, I refer to Beatrix as an example of doing that right, with having 2 scripted usages, and the 3rd is really just a DPS check.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on March 29, 2016, 11:59:26 AM
Beat the U+ versions of Ultima Weapon and Odin. I swallowed my fanboyism and swapped Ramza out for Jecht and Auron respectively, due to the way realm synergy works on these fights (basically the same as how the Abyss final bosses work) making characters with RS too good to not use. On an unrelated note, my Bartz almost broke 600 ATK in the Odin fight. Class realm synergy is dumb and I love it.

Taking a closer look at what the rewards for these fights actually do, it looks like we can now use these Monk/Magic Swordsman/Etc Class Spheres to get a free 6* ability. It also looks like you can get multiple copies of the ability, by using the spheres on multiple characters. I'm wondering if you can't just make multiple copies to break down in order to get hones faster. A good idea in theory, but who knows how rare these class spheres are going to be.

The Monk 6* ability is a combination between Full Charge and Thief's Revenge, increasing the number of hits dealt as ATK goes up. Neat, and almost worth using even at R1 if you have a Monk with a good SB.

The 6* Magic Swordsman ability is a dual elemental Ice/Wind 2x attack. I feel like they handed this one to us partially to help deal with Ifrit. Unfortunately I only have 1 Ice Crystal and definitely not enough Magic Swordsman spheres to hone to R2, but may still be worth it to slot into my Ifrit team.

Samurai's is a 2-hit MT attack that sets the character into retaliate mode. Could be fun but at a knee jerk seems less useful than the other two out already.

I peeked ahead and Knight's seems like a... stronger version of Saint's Cross that adds the user's Defense and hits MT but doesn't cast Esuna or set Regen. Mmmeeeeeh. No real reason for me to use that over Saint's Cross, MT aside, though it'll be another tool to add to my farming arsenal I guess. 

Thief's is... a weaker Steal Power that also lowers Defense. That's just garbage for a 6*.

Engineer's is neat, 2x attack, base power goes up with the number of statuses applied to the enemy (caps at 3). Probably not useful for U+ bosses, but pretty cool for +++ and other bosses that still have status weaknesses.

Ninja's is pretty cool too. 2 hits, no charge time, boosts user's Magic while lowering Defense. Could definitely have its uses for Tyro or Yuffie.

Dragoon's I couldn't read some of it, but if I'm understanding correctly, its power goes up with the number of allies in the sky? Regardless, it has a long hangtime, is 4 hits and Wind/Non-elemental. If I'm reading the first part right, I think you're supposed to have a bunch of dragoons all using this skill at once to maximize its effectiveness? That's pretty hilarious if not really useful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on March 29, 2016, 12:12:26 PM
To be fair, the only time anyone talks about Dragoon strats, it's when you're using a full team of them abusing jumping tricks ANYWAY... so probably the best Dragoon skill we could have hoped for.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 29, 2016, 01:20:59 PM
Emperor beaten. Missed mastery by one cast of Starfall, probably won't go back for it. Eight GPOs would be nice, but I've got other things to do today.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 29, 2016, 01:49:56 PM
Give me holy dragoon kain dena.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 30, 2016, 07:40:26 AM
100 Gem mk3- Reckt.

"Y'know... I'm gonna have well over 150 mythril for FFT, and banner 3 has a shot at Machine Gun/Maduin's Horn which would be great, why the hell not"

2 rainbow, 1 gold.  Masamune Blade (trash), Sniper (VI) (rosetta stone) and... Physician's Staff!

I guess the game thought I wasn't using Vanille as my forever healer hard enough.  Welcome back to the team you crazy kiwi.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 30, 2016, 03:28:15 PM
In soviet CKRK, Grefter heals you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 31, 2016, 08:29:08 AM
Trying to get myself ready for Summoner's Abyss - looks like my party's gonna be Yuna/Terra (after her SMN5 buff)/Rinoa/Eiko/Hope (after his SMN5 buff)...  This seems viable.(?)

Of course, I'm always hurting for Summon spells/hones, so I'm thinking...  Bahamut/Valefor/Ixion/Alexander/3*s should be the priority?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 31, 2016, 03:44:26 PM
I'd look up Nightmare Summoner setups for that. The loadout required for that fight's pretty stringent and the fight's late fight gimmicks make or break the final results.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 01, 2016, 01:31:19 AM
It finally happened.

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/DjinntoTonic/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgxga6sj1.png) (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/DjinntoTonic/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgxga6sj1.png.html)

I did one pull for something and got exactly what I wanted (and then some, Vanille's staff will be great for even longer than Terra's SSB, but Terra fanboyism and all that.)

Only have fifty mythril left to throw at Ramza, but who cares?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 01, 2016, 01:36:37 AM
Trying to get myself ready for Summoner's Abyss - looks like my party's gonna be Yuna/Terra (after her SMN5 buff)/Rinoa/Eiko/Hope (after his SMN5 buff)...  This seems viable.(?)

Of course, I'm always hurting for Summon spells/hones, so I'm thinking...  Bahamut/Valefor/Ixion/Alexander/3*s should be the priority?

Just remember that the Summoner Nightmare is three months away, so we should get another Orbfest (with higher rates) beforehand.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 01, 2016, 01:54:59 AM
-If- the schedule follows somewhat linearly, we may well get the Summoner Nightmare late June, which would be well past the intuitive schedule for the next orbfest.

EDIT: Also, life is suffering when your favorite character to be added in the game is Cait Sith.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 01, 2016, 04:31:09 AM
It finally happened.

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/DjinntoTonic/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgxga6sj1.png) (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/DjinntoTonic/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsgxga6sj1.png.html)

I did one pull for something and got exactly what I wanted (and then some, Vanille's staff will be great for even longer than Terra's SSB, but Terra fanboyism and all that.)

Only have fifty mythril left to throw at Ramza, but who cares?

Welcome to the Magitek Missile Club!

EDIT: Threw 100 gems at the current banner, got jack squat.  15 Mithril ebcause why not?  Jack squat.  Threw 900 Gems because I want to conserve mithril for 11 pulls on better banners...

...and get Aerith's SSB.  Just what I need, an SSB on a character I don't like that is identical to an SSB I JUST GOT TWO OF no less.  On the bright-side, it is my first FF7 Mage weapon, so that's a plus.

Also, why the heck is it considered a Rod?  The weapon is clearly labelled "Wizard Staff", and it even has the stats of a staff (Mind as it's primary stat) but it's classified as a Rod.  It now occurs to me how weird my relics are...

I have 4 natural 5* Rods: Maduin's Horn, Lullaby Rod, Chain Flail (FF6), and Wizard Staff...and outside of Maduin's Horn, they're all White Mage weapons.

I have a single Natural 5* Staff, and it's Garnet Storm Staff...which has Black Mage stats.  Never-mind that Garnet in FF9 used only Rods, and Vivi was the Staff user (it's weird that FF9 swapped it, but whatever), and the "Storm Staff" didn't exist...yeah, I don't get this game either, but hey, at least "Storm Staff" is the same weapon class as it's name implies!

The other Mage weapons I have are Rinoa's Rising Sun (Black Throwing weapon), and Eiko's Fairy Flute (white instrument).  What I'm saying is that the only Mage Weapon that actually fits it's weapon distinction is, go figure, Terra's Maduin's Horn...I guess you could argue the Fairy Flute but I think Harps are a very "Misc." weapon and thus don't count.


Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 01, 2016, 04:38:52 AM
30 Mythril down this banner, successfully wasted them. Yeah, tossing my leftovers on banner 5 instead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 01, 2016, 05:12:09 AM
You know, since it was brought up, I think I'm more than set for the Summoner Abyss now, having *7* Summoner Characters with Relics...between that and getting Lulu's Hairpin, the game clearly wants me to do Mage meta...except I still lack a standard Faithga relic.  Granted, until Edward's SSB drops, Mana's Paean isn't that much worse than the likes of Garnet's, so I could just have Eiko running with that, and shove like a highly honed Valefor or something on her.

if I were to make a legit Mage Meta team, it'd probably look something like:

Terra (have her SSB, also has the whole "can take a hit and Support 4" thing going for her)
Lulu (Focus is the reason I'm even considering it)
Tyro (Sentinel Grimoire, can also cover things like Full Break)
Yuna (Hymn of the Faith is my best Medica still)

So my options for the 5th slot are basically between Rinoa and Eiko. 

I can't really justify any Black Mage over Rinoa (much as I hate her) at this point because not only does Rinoa have a Soul Break, but Rising Sun is also a weapon she can use no one else can and she doesn't have to compete with overs over it.  Granted, Garnet's Storm Staff can be given to someone like Vivi, but Rinoa's way more flexible having White 3 and Summon 5, and I'd wager, especially with Lulu's Focus (and possibly a Kefka RW?) that Angel Wing Quake > a self buff.    This same applies to Ashe, but Ashe also won't get level 80 in god knows how long anyway, so really not an issue.
The one person who may rival Rinoa here is Hope, thanks to being able to use the Rising Sun, thus has the same advantage.  He doesn't have her Soul Break and has lower Magic, though, but he does have White 4 allowing maybe another person to wield Shell/Protectga if necessary, so there's that.  Thing is, if I needed an extra person using that, I'd just go with Eiko anyway.

Eiko's competition is primarily Garnet, whom I have the storm staff of, and Aerith, whom I just got her Wizard Staff.  Eiko vs. Garnet is a no brainer; extra Medica > modest damage Soul Break, and Eiko has Bard skills, so yeah, obvious whose better there.  Likewise, Eiko vs. Aerith is pretty easy for me; they both have identical SSBs now, so it's Aerith having Black 3/Support 2 vs.  Bard 4, I think it's pretty clear which wins that.  If I really need extra offense from either, they'll supplement with Summons.  Additionally, compared to both girls, Eiko can use her own Fairy Flute, so like Rinoa she has equipment flexibility and it's even my best Mind Relic to boot.

ON TOP OF THAT, Eiko brings a free Shellga Soul Break, so bonus points for flexibility.  So it's a question of do I want Eiko's general utility or Rinoa's more reliable offense.  Worth noting though that while Eiko's Free Shellga is a nice boon, I could have Terra cover that with by equipping Minotaur's Plate.

ALTERNATIVELY!!! I could field Golbez for the added utility, as he'd be a tank and can also use the Minotaur Plate for Shellga if I wanted to maximize Terra's damage or something.  This has multiple problems though.  For starters, I don't have a 2nd Black Stick for him since he can't use Rods, meaning he's relying on a Yuna or Aerith's White Sticks (which granted, still have alright magic), or the FF6 Chain Flail, seeing as Terra's using her daddy's amputated horn.  I don't have a Magic Sword, Axe, or Lance either for that matter.  More to the point, like Ashe, Golbez has to wait forever for his MC2, and by then things may have changed dramatically.


So...yeah, between Eiko and Rinoa, who wins probably stems from the demands of the fight.  If I don't use Eiko, I'm probably fielding a Kefka's Magitek Infusion or Garnet's Leviathan RW to fill the Faithga niche, ideally the former due to Hastega.

EDIT: Remembered Eiko is still stuck at level 65, though granted, I think she gets her MC2 in not too distant a future unlike some of the characters mentioned above.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 01, 2016, 06:27:10 AM
15 mythril this banner, all 3 stars.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on April 01, 2016, 06:34:33 AM
100 Gems mk. 4- reckt.

The Underlevelled Goobers segment of my roster finally grows thin.  Although there's a lot of cores left I'm just not going to get to.  Oh well.  Of course once Orbfest ends I'll have a great many RM2's to grind.  Joy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 01, 2016, 01:38:37 PM
Got kefka's harp thing.

Now, I guess that's cool being that it's my strongest mage weapon to date.

But...instrument.

And I don't think Kefka gets a mc2 anytime soon.

Ah well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 01, 2016, 03:38:13 PM
Just created an R2 Bahamut, because NO REGRETS etc.

Plan on dropping a few mithril for refreshes for this phase because when's the next good opportunity for Summon Orbs?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 01, 2016, 03:57:12 PM
100 gems got me a 4 star FF7 bracer, which is....better than the other stuff I've gotten from single draws lately?

More importantly, EXCALIPOOR!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 01, 2016, 04:46:09 PM
WE SHALL BASK ON THE SHINING LIGHT OF ITS MIGHTY ONE ATTACK UNDER REALM SYNERGY

TREMBLE, MINIONS OF EVIL o hay we also got five mythril
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 01, 2016, 04:53:35 PM
JP apparently got a rather hilarious bonus battle with Gilgamesh today, too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 01, 2016, 10:43:13 PM
I got a free Rosetta Stone today, sweet!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 02, 2016, 02:15:09 AM
So...after getting the single worst dungeon you can get in FF14 as my daily low level dungeon in Aurum Vale and wanting to hate myself, I throw 100 Gems at the new FF10-2 Banner...

...and get Auron's Riot Blade.

I think my luck has balanced out.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 02, 2016, 02:20:03 AM
I got Mage's Staff! Was really hoping for Riot Blade but hey, I've got two white mages in my go-to party, so that synergy won't go amiss.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 02, 2016, 03:11:09 AM
Man, if I had only kept my Excalipoor from the aniversary event, today I could have a 6* Excalipoor! Fuck my liiiiiiiiiiiife.

anyway

Knight BSSB banner.

I got Beatrix's BSSB, Steiner's SSB, and Basch's SSB.

Welp.

At this point I almost don't even need a hastega since I can field 3 people who can haste themselves via Burst.

Beatrix's Burst Mode also gives her a on-par-with-SG defense bonus.

I am the 1%.

I should be able to pull together another 50 mithril before the end of the event. Not interested in the Dragoon/Machinist banner all that much, currently debating if I go for the healer banner for that sweet, sweet Curaga-level medica or go for the FF5 banner. I don't need FF5 synergy, but Gilgamesh/Faris SSB would be sweet (even if Faris' relic would obsolete Ramza :(), and Krile's hastega would make Mages usable again. Decisions.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 02, 2016, 05:53:58 AM
Huh, my 100-gem pull -also- netted me a 5* (Jecht's Bandana)... That has to be some kinda RNG record for DL pulls?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 02, 2016, 06:01:24 AM
If it's not a DL Record for 100 Gem pulls on a single banner, I don't know what is.

That said, curiously, which Soul Break is that?  Jecht's ST Damage + 100% stun move?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 02, 2016, 06:29:50 AM
That's the one. Not amazing, but basically free and now I have an ATK-boosting hat.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 02, 2016, 12:29:04 PM
Eh, I'd argue it's pretty good frankly, since it is 100% dismissal off legitimate damage.  yeah, not as good as, say, Zack's Air Strike which is MT 100% Dismissal, but shutting down an enemies turn can be handy in single target boss fights.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 02, 2016, 01:13:22 PM
Well yeah I'm not gonna scoff at anything that makes the only good monk in the game more usable.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 02, 2016, 01:46:51 PM
Not to mention it's a pretty hot stat stick.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 02, 2016, 08:09:04 PM
FFX-2 Three Stooges: lol

Okay, more seriously, they went down in flames, this is the first Ultimate I've ever full-medaled. The fight's design is a pretty fun puzzle, but they forgot to crib up actual Ultimate-level RES. The setup:

L80 Yuna (Valduin R5, Devotion RM)
L65 Quistis (Firaja R4, Ruinga R4, Dr. Mog's Teachings RM)
L65 Y'shtola (Curaja R5, Protectga R2, Mako Might RM)
L80 Rinoa (Meteor R3, Dispel R4)
L65 Zidane (Blind Shell R4, Lifesiphon R4)

Lulu Focus RW

So, basically, the idea was to make Ormi's Draw Fire as irrelevant as possible while Zidane plugs in mastery target holes (Angel Wing Quake covered Slow, though she only applied it when only a near-dead Ormi remained). Blinding Logos early makes his biggest threat (Russian Roulette) more or less a joke, since it doesn't ignore evade, while Dispel shreds any hope Leblanc might've had at survivability. She lasted about four turns, and by the time she bit it, Logos was nearly folding and Ormi wasn't in much better shape. Fun fact: Yuna's summons were dealing over 8k damage -before- Focus. After it, even Quistis of the 142 base MAG -after- the mastery bonus from Red Scorpion could ram the cap with Firaja. Congrats, guys.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 02, 2016, 08:23:45 PM
I'm trying the Nightmare now that orbfest proper is over, and I think I'm going to need to scratch this Liquid Flame run for the dumbest of reasons  -  not enough Ruin hones.  Oy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 02, 2016, 09:03:52 PM
Comet is your friend.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 02, 2016, 09:16:29 PM
Don't even have it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 02, 2016, 10:08:28 PM
It shouldn't be a hard craft for you, it's a 3*.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 03, 2016, 02:13:07 AM
HOLY SHIT

100-GEM ULTIMA SWORD

50 MYTHRIL PULL NETS ME ANOTHER ULTIMA SWORD, PEACEMAKER AND TWO GENJI BLADES

I'M NOT EVEN PULLING ON THIS BANNER AGAIN

I GOT ALL I WANTED FROM IT
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 03, 2016, 02:17:00 AM
Meanwhile all I got from 150 mythril were two Thor Hammers. orz
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 03, 2016, 03:00:38 AM
Did an 11-pull on the banner, hoping and praying for anything but -yet another- Sentinel's Grimoire. Got Rinoa's Cardinal, bringing my SSB total to 6. I can't even field that many at once.

Cecil (x2), Tyro, Squall, Terra, Vanille, Rinoa for reference, giving me a nice mix of physical and magical and healing (and useless Tyro's, but at least it boosted his ATK+10!).

The only tools missing from my relic toolbox are:
A 5* Bow (still...)
Runic of some type (still...)
A Burst SB (probably gonna have to wait for the Festival for this one since all the upcoming ones are on otherwise terrible banners for me)
Reraise (Not a huge deal I guess? Easy to RW)
HotE for ATK-stacking (Too rare to pull for)
Scream (the big one... Since I actually really want this, I have roughly 0% chance of getting a native one... At least it's on the best banner ever. I may whale hard on this. If I don't show up to DLCon, you'll know why...)

Also, we're now officially where I started playing JP, so it'll be interesting to see how different the experience can be with such a disparate selection of relics and hones at this point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 03, 2016, 03:01:52 AM
I threw 115 Mithril and a bunch of gems at this and all I got was Steiner's Ultima Sword and Yuffie's Headband.  Steiner's Ultima Sword I'm happy with since I could use a legitimate FF9 Synergy Weapon, but Yuffie's Headband...I already have *3* Medica's, one from FF7 at that, I'm not how excited I can get about another.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 03, 2016, 03:05:15 AM
Fuck phase 5
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 03, 2016, 03:22:45 AM
I have Yuffie's headband in JP. It is amazing. It heals percentage-based on max HP, so it's never going to be obsolete nor rely on Yuffie's MND.

To top it all off, it insta-casts. It was actually the main thing I wanted from Banner 5... >.>;;
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on April 03, 2016, 03:54:04 AM
Wizard Rod, Wutai Headband, Ultima Sword, Estharian Helmet, Burning Fist, Thor Hammer, Zantetsuken (VI)

250 Mithril

hello garnet my old friend
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 03, 2016, 03:54:25 AM
[21:47] <MagicFanatic> 100 Gem pull and 1x11-pull after a 16-hour shift today.  100 Gem got rekt, got Sentinel's Grimoire and Hammer of Thor off the 50 Mithril.
[21:48] <MagicFanatic> I'm not sure how to feel about the Grimoire, considering my Thyrus++.

Saving the rest of my Mithril for the FFT banner, because Ice Cream.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 03, 2016, 04:08:53 AM
25 mythril, got nothing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on April 03, 2016, 07:10:35 AM
100 Gems mk. 5- Reckt.

Cleared out X-2 event.  Remember how I have Sephiroth's Shadow Flare and Rinoa's Angel Wing Quake?  Yeaaaah.  Did need a few resets unlike the last one, first time took me a minute to work out the exact mechanics behind Counter-Draw Fire, second time Tyro bit it at a weird moment.  Took Gilgamesh as the last PC after Seph/Sazh/Rinoa/Tyro, which was dumb in retrospect because y'know Hand of the Emperor is pretty good and Leon could have carried the exact same set I had on Gil, but on the other hand he dropped his RM3 and I still mastered so whatevs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 03, 2016, 08:15:21 AM
Orbfest was awesome. Made one of literally every skill in the game (sans Ultima since no way to farm Crystals yet) just for collection's sake. Hey, the game IS called "Record Keeper", after all.

...So glad the game is handing out free 5* skills for a while.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 03, 2016, 11:16:38 AM
Was looking forward to Phase 5 because it gave me a chance to pick up hastega or (RNGesus willing) wall relics. In three pulls, I got:

2X Genji Blade
2X Cardinal
Ultima Sword
Wutai Headband
Peacemaker
And an off-banner Cat Claws from FF9.

Y'know what, I think I'll take my ridiculous array of damage SBs, and my party-composition-expanding Medica, and be satisfied. Holding on to 147 Mythril for FFT, which will hopefully grow to 200+ with core dungeon blitzing over the next week and a half.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 03, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
Also beat the 10-2 quest.  Might as well post my set up from memory:

Auron: Riot Blade, Fire Armlet (X), Vossler's Gaunlets,  R3 Fire Blossom, R4 Lifesiphon, Dragoon's Determination
Lifesiphon to build up gauge, Fireblossom for instant AoE, he uses Dragon Fang if Leblanc is still alive, Banishing Blade otherwise.

Tyro: Lightning Steel*, Edin's Coat, FF10 +20 Atk Accessory, R3 Blind Shell, R3 Banishing Strike, Mako's Might
It's Tyro; has Wall, can fill any niche needed outside of damage.  Exists for Dispel and Blind here.

*...should have given him Rikku's claw on hindsight, since I think that's  stronger, oh well

Terra: Maduin's Horn, Lulu's Hairpin, Terra's Pendant, R2 Meteor, R4 Ruinga, Devotion
AoE Nukes.  Open with Meteor, continue with Ruinga, ignores Draw Attacks entirely, saves Magitek Missile for Ormi when he's solo for quick ST nukes

Rinoa: Lullaby Rod, Minerva Bustier, Silver Wing (or whatever the FF9 +30 Mag accessory is called), R3 Quake, R2 Bahamut, Ace Striker
Also exists for AoE nukes, with Bahamut being a quick 55k~ net damage over 2 turns.  More to the point, she exists to use Angel Wing Quake and hit everyone with slow.  On hindsight, probably should have given her Dr. Mog's Teachings but whatever.  Winning run, she ended up dying from No Lost Love + Logos combo, but had already used Angel Wing Quake, so I just went with it, as she was already out of her good stuff, and had played her part.

Yuna: Wizard Rod (VII), Priest's Miter, some Mind accessory, Curaja, Protectga, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Healer; went with Protectga since the physical damage was clearly the bigger deal here, with 2 characters who have physicals, and one who has magic, and the one with magic spends a lot of time buffing and was the one who was going to die first to boot.

RW: Fenrir Overdrive.  Nothing big came up, didn't care to reset, figured this would be good for Auron at least...and it was.  In fact, Riot Blade seems to add Blind naturally (too lazy to look it up), so sometimes Whirlwind Slash would cover that!

Winning Run ended with only 2 medals lost on damage, meaning I could have in theory lost 2 characters and still mastered it.  I had a scare moment when Ormi near the end did MT 3k to everyone, though no one died, and quickly got everything back together.  Hymn of the Fayth > stuff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 03, 2016, 02:46:58 PM
2X Genji Blade
Ultima Sword
Peacemaker

Phase 5 SSB bros!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 03, 2016, 03:45:23 PM
I blew some Google Play credit on a 3X pull because shiny, and got a third Cardinal. Okay, game, hint taken.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 04, 2016, 04:58:30 AM
aw fuck i have to beat ifrit in like 2 hours I thought the deadline was a couple days from now.

Gonna try out Jecht/Beatrix/Bartz/Tyro/Aeris, putting Dr. Mog and Mako Might on Beatrix/Tyro. Beatrix's BSSB adds Weak: Holy and lets her use Taunt/Magic Lure and boost her DEF quite a bit and RES not as much but still. That'll give me more damage with her at least. Delita may sub in for Bartz if I have enough Grow eggs to get both B and D to 80 since his SB lowers defenses and TBH Bartz's BSSB isn't actually contributing much damage in the fight.

From a couple previous tries Jecht's ability to pierce defences is clutch so he's kinda in there regardless.

EDIT: lol ok actually Beatrix's BSSB may have won me this thing. Haven't won yet, but I was able to get him down to ~1/2 HP before my first scream wore off, and unlike previous attempts all of my characters are actually pumping out respectable damage. I'm kinda gonna have to get lucky with the timing on his Meteos though, and play around with who I bring for mitigation. As cool as Jecht's consistent damage is if I straight up can't surivive a single Meteo I'm gonna have to bring Ramza back in.

EDIT2: Sigh, nope. My initial strategy worked really well, Beatrix is now basically an ultratank who always can hit weakness after using her BSSB, but magic lure is useless against MT, and once I got to his weak phase he just started spamming Meteo. Once to get rid of Magic Blink, Once to kill everyone, once to kill everyone after they re-raise. hmmtoobadigoteverythingbutscreamonthatbannerhmmmmhmmhmmm.

I haven't quite given up, and my current SL has a shot of winning, but honestly I don't see it happening again. Oh well, there's a chance it'll come back the next time they issue the next 4* fragment dungeon, and even if it doesn't, oh well. I'm pretty sure I could have beaten it considering I'm running 3 BSSBs and have a few SSBs I haven't even really toyed with yet, but meh.

In other news, in an attempt to gamble for Selphie's Magic Blink + Medicaga, did a 3 pull on the Healer Banner. I got Penelo's SSB (Holy Damage + Medicaga), which is actually pretty freaking sweet paired with Beatrix's BSSB, but not using it at the moment for this battle since that Reraise safety net is too important. 

I'm tempted to pull on the FF5 banner, but this Ifrit fight and the fact that I have lots of new shinies after the BSSB fest means I should probably just slow my roll and hoard for my next chance at Scream in a few months.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 04, 2016, 01:00:51 PM
Dungeon Update 20: in which Lightning and Gilgamesh tear boss lifebars apart. Cleared all the classic Dungeons so far. Dropping Crushing Blows on FF5 Leviathan is a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 04, 2016, 03:25:23 PM
Couldn't help myself, did a 3 pull on the FF5 banner, mostly hoping to get Krile's Hastega/Faithga whip. Got Exdeath's SSB armor instead. Neat! I recognize that as of this BSSB fest SSBs are the new SBs, but the number of SSBs I have now is ridiculous. I'll have to do some e-peen comparison inventorying soon to get rid of redundant weapons.

I may do another 3 pull on the FF5 banner once that mythril rolls in as I clearly do not have enough shiny toys. Although, I think the Faithga on Krile's whip is the same as Mana's Praen, so I will probably doublecheck that, and if it's higher or if it stacks I'll pull again, and if not I'll just let it go. Do I even have any black mage SBs other than Exdeath's that would synergize with that? Meh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 04, 2016, 03:50:10 PM
Krile's MAG Up is +30% - i.e. equal to Edward's Hastemarch and double Mana's Paean's boost. Doesn't stack with anything besides Lulu's Focus, but it's the highest MT MAG buff available.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 04, 2016, 07:41:12 PM
OK, so equal to Faith, right? That's worth trying for, then. That alone would make Summoners/Black mages viable for me again, even though my S/SBs for them are comparatively non-existent.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 04, 2016, 08:21:17 PM
Holy jeez, I knew actual damage SBs would help, but I didn't realize how much. Just smoked the X-2 +++ battle thanks in large part to Crushing Blow with attack bonuses being goddamned bonkers. Gearing up to fight the Ultimate later today. Here's hoping!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 04, 2016, 08:28:04 PM
You should be able to do it, I beat that fight with only Aeris and Mog SBs and using come at me bro + ... I don't actually remember, point is I was a peasant. You have Mog's Boostga, actual SBs, and Rinoa's SSB. Solidly middle class. u ken do it
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 04, 2016, 08:57:59 PM
OK, so equal to Faith, right? That's worth trying for, then. That alone would make Summoners/Black mages viable for me again, even though my S/SBs for them are comparatively non-existent.

Faith is +20%, a 38~% damage increase. MAG +30% would equal roughly 50% more damage from magic, more or less.

Holy jeez, I knew actual damage SBs would help, but I didn't realize how much. Just smoked the X-2 +++ battle thanks in large part to Crushing Blow with attack bonuses being goddamned bonkers. Gearing up to fight the Ultimate later today. Here's hoping!

You definitely have the offense for it, between Auron's Shimmering Blade, Gilgamesh's Faithful Companion and whatever else you can muster for Lightning. The puzzle parts of the fight may prove slightly more problematic, but I'd definitely try it out, it's a fun Ultimate.

EDIT: Only one DU dungeon left: Kefka's Tower Part 2. That's waiting until tomorrow, though, I'm saving the stamina for the FFT event. Can't believe it's landing tonight, feels like I was going nuts over Stone Throw and Hallowed Bolt just yesterday.

SSB spamming remains completely obscene, I've been running Mighty Guard/Crushing Blow/Faithful Companion and turning 140 Difficulty bosses into mulch. This be the power creep. Mighty Guard in particular's so stupid that it makes Quistis a cornerstone PC in spite of L65 and no 5* skillsets to sport. I definitely know who's getting my first Record Dive fragments when they come up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 05, 2016, 01:45:13 AM
Success! Cloud/Gilgamesh/Lightning/Mog/Lenna, with Quistis' Mighty Guard as the RW. Took a lot of S/L to get Leblanc to go down without crippling my party first, but after I managed that the other two easily. SSB spam is useful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 05, 2016, 02:17:35 AM
Welp, four 11-pulls on FFT banner, only one 5* to my name.

... it's the Platinum Sword.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 05, 2016, 02:26:07 AM
One 11-pull on the FFT Banner.

Got a Chameleon Robe and the Platinum Sword.

WELP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on April 05, 2016, 02:30:21 AM
Garnet/Terra/Sephiroth/Edgar/Penelo kills Leblanc Syndicate, Blind Shell/Banishing Strike Edgar MVP

FFT banner: Diamond Armor (IV), Al Bhed Jumper, Grand Armor (100 myth)

how many offbanners can I pull
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 05, 2016, 02:34:06 AM
Isn't Grand Armor the Ramza Heavy Armor and one of the best healing SBs in the game, though?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 05, 2016, 02:34:48 AM
Two FFT pulls, got Chameleon Robe and two off-banner no-SB armors. Now to grind for more mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 05, 2016, 02:34:54 AM
Was rushing the dungeon update to try more banner 5 pulls before reset but still didn't get anything.  Up to 159 stamina though!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on April 05, 2016, 02:40:43 AM
well yes, that is fantastic

i guess he can fight red xiii for support slot (and win most of the time)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 05, 2016, 02:49:23 AM
So, since I only did one pull, I still have over 100 Mithril.

Should I do more FFT Banner pulls, or save it for the future?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 05, 2016, 02:54:02 AM
I've no idea how to feel myself. I guess now Ramza's my best character forevermore, but I kinda wish I also had -something- for Agrias. Oh well, I s'pose I can also make him my RW wielding that 7* Golem Flute with 130 Mind once I master Shout.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 05, 2016, 03:04:03 AM
I also only got one 5* character relic from the FFT banner, but it's okay since it's Platinum Sword!

I'm also not broke, so that's the best part of the whole thing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 05, 2016, 03:08:17 AM
I should've stopped on the second 11-pull, which is where I got the Platinum. Oh well. The crazy luck on banner 5 caught up to me fast, but at least I got Shout.

EDIT:

Success! Cloud/Gilgamesh/Lightning/Mog/Lenna, with Quistis' Mighty Guard as the RW. Took a lot of S/L to get Leblanc to go down without crippling my party first, but after I managed that the other two easily. SSB spam is useful.

Congrats! The first Ultimate's one hell of a feeling to topple.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 05, 2016, 03:16:24 AM
...I just thought of something.

Zenny must be looking at this thread and frothing at the amount of people getting the Platinum Sword here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 05, 2016, 03:17:25 AM
He's probably sleeping. He had it coming anyway, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 05, 2016, 03:45:42 AM
12 Pulls (50 Mithril + 100 Gems), got 2 5*...

...both N-kai Armlets.  Well, at least Ramza can throw Meteors now and it's synergy armor for FFT that I can fuse after the event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 05, 2016, 04:59:03 AM
...I just thought of something.

Zenny must be looking at this thread and frothing at the amount of people getting the Platinum Sword here.
He's probably sleeping. He had it coming anyway, though.

Both. I was anticipating this day anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 05, 2016, 05:19:22 AM
Really my favorite part is having Platinum Swords AND Sentinel's Grimoires in both versions of the game I'm playing while Zenny languishes. This game is so much fun when you play with others!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 05, 2016, 05:50:44 AM
I'm sorry I can't hear you over all the salt I'm drowning in.

Magic: I forget what you have in your load out, but eh, if you have Shout I'd save your mythril unless you really need Physical SBs. Agrias' SSB is good but its use against U/+ bosses is pretty niche comparatively (granted, that niche is still pretty good against Multitarget bosses). Her regular SB is arguably better, could be worth it for that. Otherwise... Yell and Stone Throw compete for breathing room with Scream, which is fine for Yell but obsoletes Stone Throw. The N-Kai armband is at least a really good armband, though.

Also keep in mind that you're not gonna have any FFT synergy events until 6 months from now so yeah, probably best to pull on more common/difficult realms. FF8 synergy, for instance, would be nice for when y'all get wrecked by Ifrit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 05, 2016, 10:03:32 AM
Magic: I forget what you have in your load out, but eh, if you have Shout I'd save your mythril unless you really need Physical SBs. Agrias' SSB is good but its use against U/+ bosses is pretty niche comparatively (granted, that niche is still pretty good against Multitarget bosses). Her regular SB is arguably better, could be worth it for that. Otherwise... Yell and Stone Throw compete for breathing room with Scream, which is fine for Yell but obsoletes Stone Throw. The N-Kai armband is at least a really good armband, though.

Also keep in mind that you're not gonna have any FFT synergy events until 6 months from now so yeah, probably best to pull on more common/difficult realms. FF8 synergy, for instance, would be nice for when y'all get wrecked by Ifrit.

Just for SSB sake, I have the following:

Squall's Cutting Trigger - Blasting Zone
Bartz's Excalibur - Trueblade of Legend
Sephiroth's Yoshiyuki - Black Materia
Zidane's Orichalcum - Shift Break

Terra's Maduin's Horn - Magitek Missile

After that, it jumps sideways into me having useful SBs for characters, like Zack's Air Strike, Red's Lunatic High, Eiko's Emerald Light, and Exdeath's Grand Cross.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 05, 2016, 10:15:08 AM
Yeah, as nice as a good Knight/Saint's Cross user S/SB would be for you Agrias is perfectly serviceable without a relic. I'd save your mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 05, 2016, 11:07:36 AM
The FFRK subreddit has never been as depressing as it is now. This is a hell of a feat.

EDIT: Even knowing how overpowered Shout is in advance does -not- prepare you for witnessing its absurdity first-hand.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 05, 2016, 11:23:14 AM
So, since I only did one pull, I still have over 100 Mithril.

Should I do more FFT Banner pulls, or save it for the future?

Don't pull, the rates were changed from the jp version for the worse.

Incidentally, I'd like to ask people following me what my user text looks like.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 05, 2016, 12:30:31 PM
"F**k DeNA."
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 05, 2016, 01:02:21 PM
11X pull #3: Yet another off-banner SB-less relic (FF6 Golden Shield, now I have a 6* one) and....Kaiser Shield! A great SB for Agrias and it boosts Crushing Blow's damage? Okay, I can live with that. Will still pull more as I accumulate mythril (I got four this morning from dailies and core, I can easily get to 50 before the banner dies), but if I strike out for the rest of the event I'm still notably better off than I was yesterday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 05, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Man, Kaiser Shield was the relic I wanted the most out of that banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 05, 2016, 01:17:42 PM
I made no pulls on FFT, therefore I cannot be disappointed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 05, 2016, 01:32:03 PM
This game hates me.

4 pulls. Loads of crap.

1 sword.

Defender.

Bleh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on April 05, 2016, 01:34:28 PM
This banner is a bit sketchy, I was gonna pull more but I might just save for Basch-1 and Edea-2.

Especially since "off-banner relic" seems to mean "soul breakless 5*"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 05, 2016, 01:39:57 PM
I'm going to wait for Basch's banner as well, I've gotten to the point where I need FF12 synergy and, besides Basch's shield, there's also Fran's Full Breakdown bow. I really want a stat-busting relic, after all. Edea-2 would be nice for the Crescent Wish, but it shows up like every other month. FFT banner's chaff relics border on unusable by anyone who's been playing for more than three months.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on April 05, 2016, 02:09:52 PM
I also need 8 synergy, my 5* Ten-Gallon Hat, Blitz Sword, and Morning Star can only go so far.

Plus magic up + haste, and potential ZELL hype
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 05, 2016, 02:10:28 PM
I guess it's time to start saving for delitas banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 05, 2016, 02:19:57 PM
I also need 8 synergy, my 5* Ten-Gallon Hat, Blitz Sword, and Morning Star can only go so far.

Plus magic up + haste, and potential ZELL hype

Magic UP and Haste from Edea's Crown is the other reason to draw from that banner to me. I'm fine on FF8 synergy at this point, though, even if it's real mage-heavy (two Rinoa weapons, a generic whip, two hats and that Red Scorpion). At least, I have a gunblade, a dagger and two guns for physicals.

EDIT: and back to the old grind. Highlight of the day is getting a Major Black Orb and Auron's RM2. Still a couple days before I can get Ramza's MC2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 05, 2016, 07:27:33 PM
Looking over my inventory, I figure I should actually take stock of what gear I have for each realm and where I need to shore up. I'm actually....surprisingly good for synergy in the common realms? I'm legit surprised by this.

FF1: 4+ armor. Who cares, it's FF1
FF2: 4+ sword, 4+ staff, natural 4 dagger, 3+ dagger.
FF3: Natural 4 rod, natural 4 staff, Diamond Helm (4* unique SB gear for Knight), 3+ light armor
FF4: Dark Sword, Ice Whip, Thunder Rod, Dark Gloves, 4++ dagger, 4++ staff, 4++ light armor, 4+ dagger, three 4+ robes, 3++ sword
FF5: 6* Genji Blade, 6* Sage's Staff, Crystal Helm, Genji Helm, 4++ helm, 4++ heavy armor,  4+ rod, 4+ Rune Axe (for all the spellcasting axe users...), 3++ light armor, 3++ hat, natural 4 hat, 3+ hat
FF6: 6* Gold Shield, Holy Lance, Burning Fist, Gaia Gear, Mystery Veil, 4++ hat, 4+ rod, 4+ thrown weapon, 3++ heavy armor, 3++ light armor, natural 4 sword, natural 4 dagger, natural 4 light armor, natural 4 heavy armor, 3+ dagger, 3+ helm
FF7: 6* Gold Sword, Organics, Shark, Tiger Fang, Turks Suit, Wutai Headband, Holiday Mittens, 4++ glove, 3++ bracer, natural 4 bracer, natural 4 sword
FF8: 7* Cardinal, Blitz Sword, Valiant, 4++ dagger, natural 4 hat, 3+ hat, 3+ dagger
FF9: Ultima Sword, Cat Claws, Oak Staff, Power Sash, 4+ dagger, 3+ light armor
FFX: Shimmering Blade, Celebration Dagger, Dusk Lance, Mage's Staff, 4++ sword, 4+ light armor, natural 4 light armor, 3+ sword, 3+ rod
FF12: Runeblade, Musk Stick, 4++ sword, 4++ lance, 4++ hammer, 4+ dagger, 3+ rod, 3+ rod, 3+ light armor
FF13: Peacemaker, Goddess' Tribute, Evil Lantern, Witch's Hat, 4++ glove, 3++ bracer, natural 4 bracer
FF14: Yoshimitsu. Who cares, it's FF14.
FFT: Chameleon Robe, Kaiser Shield, Mythril Sword.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on April 05, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
Personally I'd say clear out those 3 star-based gears; 3++ weapons and armor are only marginally better than non-RS character relics in their native realms (like... 5 points usually I think it is?) and you have enough of that now to outfit a full team of most compositions.  So with that in mind...

FF1-III: don't count.
FFIV: looks pretty good.  A more up to date sword might be nice?  But that's plenty to clear out the nasty Lunar Subterrane stuff which is the main thing with FFIV considering there's been like 3 events total in the past year in JP.  Certainly not anything to pull specifically for.
FFV: Probably fine.  Honestly the best reason to draw for FFV is unique SBs because the cast themselves are so great but I wouldn't say you have any NEEDS there at this time.
FFVI: so-so.  Probably enough for any content going on, but FFVI content is frequent and annoying enough that going from "enough" to "complete overkill" is probably desirable in the long term.  Given its event frequency and the number of relics it has in the Lucky Draw pool it should fix itself without going all-in.
FFVII: A lot of what I said about FFVII applies here.  FFVII randoms in dungeons aren't near as bad as endgame FFVI randoms though so it's not a huge deal.
FFVIII: Probably the first place I'd say you have a bit of a weakness.  FFVIII is a mid-card for event frequency, but normally its events are pretty hard (Laguna felt like a big exception there).  Probably worth saving some mythril for the Edea event.
FFIX: Similar to above.  FFIX loves it some super tanky randoms, so extra push with high grade weapons is in order.  It's event bosses haven't been terrible although I gather Ultimate Kuja is a bastard and a half.
FFX: Man that's better than my FFX synergy, shouldn't be an issue.
FFXII: FFXII content isn't too bad... aside from the goddamned ranged bosses, so a lot of times it doesn't matter what you have because you'll have the WRONG stuff.  A few draws here wouldn't be a bad thing, but I wouldn't sweat it too much because FFXII is pretty low on the event order.
FFXIII: Also low on the event order, and with how many giveaways the game's gotten if you have anything you've drawn yourself to back it up I'd say it's fine.  The only caveat there is that they love to give Lightning really cool stuff so it can be tempting to draw anyway.
FFXIV: Yeah FFXIV dungeons are playing catchup, we'll see if it's ever actually relevant.
FFT: Having basically anything here seems like it'd be enough, but I guess we'll see when those bonus battles drop.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 05, 2016, 08:28:53 PM
Hate this game so much.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 06, 2016, 07:22:47 AM
OK getting down to business because I don’t really want to spend mythril on expanding my inventory, and also because I forget exactly what SBs I have to play around with let’s start there. This post got REALLY long, like, Meeple Levels long, so after I wave my e-peen in your face I’m gonna smalltext the rest so you don’t have to scroll for ages to get past my aspergers. It’s just inventory management anyway. You all may be interested in the part where I start documenting the accessories, since y’all will be getting them all in the future.

Character Relics (B/SSB):

6* Bartz BSSB Ragnarok
5* Tyro BSSB Grimoire
5* Beatrix BSSB Lightbringer
6* Mustadio SSB Romanda Gun
5* Exdeath SSB Exdeath’s Armor
5* Zack SSB Apocalypse
5* Aeris SSB Wizard Rod
5* Steiner SSB Excalibur
5* Basch SSB Defender
5* Penelo SSB Holy Rod
5* Agrias SSB Defender

feels good man

Character Relics (SB)

7* Common FF6 Diamond Armor
7* Vincent’s Vincent’s Mantle
6* Thancred’s Yoshimitsu
6* Delita’s Main Gauche
6* Ramza’s So-Kai Armlet
5* Minwu’s White Robe
5* Bartz’s Air Knife
5* Common FF5 Partisan
5* Locke’s Rising Sun*
5* Relm’s Cat Hood
5* Mog’s Holy Lance
5* Common FF6 Wizard Rod (SB nigh useless)
5* Sephiroth’s Masamune*
5* Zack’s Glove
5* Common FF7 Fancy Wristwatch
5* Common FF7 Holiday Gloves
5* Irvine’s Valiant
5* Common FF9 Strength Ribbon
5* Common FF9 Black Robe
5* Common FF10 Halloween Hat
5* Common FF12 Survival Vest
5* Common FF13 Keepsake Knife
5* Shared FF14 Summoner’s Hat
5* Core WM Rune Staff
5* Core Bard Harp
4* Hunter Garbage-Why-Haven’t-I-Tossed-This-Yet
4* Knight Diamond Helmet HAHA I didn’t even realize this was an SB
5* Core Hunter Great Bow
5* Tyro’s 100000 Celebration Grimoire 

I always forget I have SBs for Locke, Minwu, Irvine, Sephiroth, and Relm since they’re all fairly obsolete at this point. Locke’s and Relm’s are at least fun for adding status for mastery reqs in dungeons, and Minwu’s is at least on par with Ramza’s Throw Stone/Zack’s Air Strike. Thancred and Vincent’s are all actually pretty good and ironically this means those characters will never get to L80 because I want to keep using them in Elite dungeons.

Looking at all my common SBs, everything except for the Protectga/Shellgas and the Summoner Hat’s RES debuff are useless. Oh well, they’re good with synergy at least.

I should probably use my core relics (aside from the harp) as Rosetta Stones as soon as their SBs are mastered (#completionism). I’m never going to use them, BSSB Grimoire and POSSIBLY the harp aside. I don’t even know why I still have that Hunter Bow. It’s FF5 synergy but will certainly never get a copy to give me a 4+ version.

M’kay, let’s check realm synergy, weapons first. Sometimes listed Realm Synergy stats in parenthesis but I got bored and inconsistent halfway through so you’re welcome.



FF1
5* Rod, Flame Rod, 110+2 MAG / 65 MND, Boosts Fire damage
 
FF2
4++ Dagger, Cat’s Claw, 64 ATK, (135)
 
FF3
N/A
 
FF4
4+ Dagger, Dancing Dagger, 66 ATK (137)
4++ Staff, Sage’s Staff, 40 MAG / 80MND (88/175)
 
FF5
6* Sword, Ragnarok, 134+13 ATK
5* Dagger, Air Knife, 106+1 ATK
5* Spear, Partisan, 108+1 ATK, Sleep Attack SB
4* Bow, Completionist Garbage, 51 ATK, chance of ID
 
FF6
5* Dagger, Assassin’s Dagger, 97+1 ATK, chance of ID
5* Spear, Holy Lance, 93 ATK / 103+1 MND
5* Fist, Burning Knuckle (109+2 ATK), boost Fire
5* Thrown, Rising Sun, 97+1 ATK
5* Thrown, Sniper, 97+1 ATK, Add Sap
5* Rod, Wizard Rod, 105+1 MAG / 61 MND
 
FF7
5* Sword, Apocalypse, 124+9 ATK
5* Sword, Gold Sword, 85+1 ATK
5* Katana, Masamune, 115+12 ATK
5* Fist, Zack’s Glove, 122+6 ATK
5* Rod, Wizard Rod, 100 MAG, 120+1 MND
 
FF8
4+ Dagger, Mesmerize Blade, 74 ATK
5* Whip, Ochus Tentacle, 96+1 ATK / 75 MAG
5* Gun, Valiant, 95+1 ATK
 
FF9
5* Sword, Coral Blade, 111+1 ATK, Boost Lightning
5* Sword, Excalibur, 128+1 ATK, Boost Holy
5* Sword, Lightbringer, 128+2 ATK, Boost Holy
 
FF10
4+ Sword, Fire Sword, 75 ATK
4++ Katana, Stray Dog Blade, 75 ATK
5* Ball, Pumpkin Ball, 91+1 ATK
 
FF12
5* Dagger, Danjuro, 98+1 ATK
4++ Sword, Diamond Sword, 80 ATK
5* Sword, Defender, 128+1 ATK
4++ Hammer, Sledgehammer, 79 ATK
4++ Spear, Trident, 79 ATK, Boost Ice
4+ Rod, Heavenly Rod, 73 MAG / 37 MND
5* Rod, Holy Rod, 100 MAG / 123+2 MND, Boost Holy
 
FF13
5* Dagger, Keepsake Knife, 94+1 ATK, Protectga SB
5* Gun, Goddess’s Celebration Cannon, 81+1 ATK
4* Fist, Power Glove, 59 ATK
4++ Staff, Cure Staff, 39 MAG / 82 MND
 
FF14
6* Dagger, Yoshimitsu, 117+2 ATK
6* Dagger, Ifrit’s Clitoris, 117+2 ATK, Boost Fire
 
FFT
6* Dagger, Main Gauche, 127+2 ATK
5* Sword, Defender, 123+6 ATK, Why did I use Rosetta Stones on this?
6* Gun, Romanda Gun, 121+2 ATK
5* Rod, POZN Rod, 114+1 MAG / 66 MND, Add Poison, +10 Fenrir Points
 
Core
5* Book, I Should Really Learn The Name Of This, 123+1 ATK / 121 MAG / 91 MND
5* Book, Celebration Grimiore, Worse Stats Than The Other One Surely
5* Bow, Great Bow, 81 ATK / 23 MAG / 23 MND, But Why?????
5* Staff, Rune Staff, 68 MAG / 87 MND
5* Instrument, Dream Harp, 67+1 ATK / 57 MAG / 28 MND
 
Pheeeeeeeew OK.
 
Core shit’s getting Rosetta stoned, even if they introduce core synergy dungeons eyeballing those stats they’re going to all be consistently worse than my character relics. Harp’s only staying by virtue of being my only instrument and thus could MAYBE be used to have Ramza use Ninja Skills. Though having Tyro use them is still going to better so maybe F that. (-3, probably -4)

FF2 Dagger’s getting tossed, I don’t even know why I kept it long enough to 4+ it. Even with synergy it’s weaker than my good weapons. (-1)

I thought my synergy for FF5 was a lot better than it was, so hey at least I don’t feel bad for pulling on Krile’s banner anymore. Toss the bow. (-1)

Good on 6 synergy. Two thrown weapons are redundant though, and Locke has his SB mastered, so maybe I’ll Rosetta Stone the Rising Sun. An argument can be made for keeping it for an FF6 challenge event (Setzer and Locke can both use them after all), but probably not. (maybe -1)

FF7, I can probably Rosetta Stone the Gold Sword. In a theorhetical FF7 Cid’s Mission I’d probably be using Zack/Sephiroth/Vincent/Red/Aeris, and otherwise I can get by fine with one character (probably Tyro) not using a synergy weapon. I think I’ll hold off at the moment though. (maybe -1)

FF8 wow I need all the synergy I can get. Keep for now, but the day I junk that Valiant is going to be a happy day indeed.

FF9 Keep. Could do with more synergy, but what synergy I do have is really fucking good so it’s not a priority.

FF10, another low synergy realm. :( Keep.

FF12, I do not need all those 4++s now that I have Basch’s Defender. Certainly nixing the Hammer (worst weapon type? Nah, Dice and Balls exist), may nix the Heavenly Rod too. (-1, maybe -2)

FF13, my synergy here is also really bad, but on the other hand I don’t think I’ll be doing any FF13 Cid’s Missons anytime soon. I should probably toss the glove instead of waiting for a dupe, and maybe toss the Staff. Mind synergy is not at all a priority even in U+ battles. That may have changed with Penelo’s SSB, though. (-1, maybe -2)

FF14, Keep. Not a common realm but both Daggers are good.

FFT… Definitely Keeping the Main Gauche and Romanda Gun, considering nixing the Defender. FFT’s such a rare realm and it has so many Rosetta Stones (why on earth did I do that? I must have been drunk) on it that I should probably put those on a more important weapon (Lightbringer?) Agrias’ SSB is already mastered, AND I’m pretty confident that I can do any Cid’s Mission without it. Yeah… (-1)

-8, maybe -13. That right there clears up enough for another 11 pull down the road.


Fuck OK next is armors. I suspect there won’t be a lot of culling here since while I almost NEVER use my 4+/4++ armors, I also really want to keep the option available shore up my defenses.



FF2
5* White Robe, 82 DEF, 127+1 RES, 17 MND, ID resist
5* Ice Gauntlet, 81+1 DEF, 77 RES, 19 ATK/MAG/MND, Ice Resist
 
Both are really good without synergy so I’ll probably keep them. Notably, Ice Gauntlet is my worst/least used Armlet, so I may ditch it.
 
FF3
4* Diamond Helmet, 57 DEF, 51 RES, 8 ATK, Knight SB
5* Genji Gauntlet, 87+1 DEF, 80 RES, 23 ATK/MAG/MND
 
To be perfectly honest I thought the helmet was generic and so I was going to get a second one at some point. Toss (after Knight masters it ofc). The Gauntlet is my best-stat armband after the So-Kai Armband so that’s a keeper. (-1)
 
FF4
4++ Black Clothes, 72 DEF, 72 RES
4+ Black Robe, 51 DEF, 87 RES, 5 MAG
4++ White Robe, 56 DEF, 96 RES, 5 MND, Blind Resist
 
Probably junk? FF4 tends to be pretty magic heavy and the option to beef up my defenses in that realm would be nice. That said, I have plenty of off-realm options to boost RES…

FF5
4++ Hypno Crown, 40 DEF, 79 RES, 16 MAG, 16 MND
5* Genji Helm, 99+1 DEF, 89 RES, 12 ATK, Confuse resist
6* Ninja Clothes, 111+2 DEF, 111 RES
5* Exdeath’s Armor, 132+1 DEF, 91 RES, 17 MAG
 
Keep.
 
FF6
7* Crystal Armor, 128+3 DEF, 65 RES
6* Oath Veil, 66 DEF, 122+2 RES, 31 MAG, 26 MND, Boost Wind
5* Cat Hood, 79 DEF, 115+1 RES, 38 MAG, 27 MND
5* Gaia Gear, 81 Def, 125+1 RES, Resist Earth
4+ Crystal Helmet, 69 DEF, 61 RES, 17 ATK
 
How do you make Heavy Armor valuable? Make it a character relic or make it a 7*. Probably will ditch the Helmet, dunno. (Maybe -1)
 
FF7
7* Vincent’s Mantle, 123+3 DEF, 123 RES, 10 ATK, 20 MAG
5* Fancy Wristwatch, 74 DEF, 78+1 RES, 21 ATK, 18 MAG/MND AoE Cure 1 SB
5* Holiday Mittens, 59 DEF, 63+1 RES, 15 ATK, 14 MAG/MND, Boostga SB
 
Keep. I don’t appreciate the Mantle as much as I should because it’s another lol u wan some scream how bout some salt instead banner item, but it is really good. Probably my best single piece of armor?
 
FF8
4+ Cowboy Hat, 40 DEF, 81 RES, 19 MAG, 17 MND
5* Galbadia Helmet, 59 DEF, 113+1 RES, 30 MAG, 25 MND
 
I should probably junk the Cowboy hat, it isn’t doing me any favors considering I rarely ever run more than one mage. Also wow, combining Armor and Weapons FF8 is probably my worst realm. Even in an FF8-party setup I’d probably only use Quistis unless Rinoa were forced thanks to the Ochus Tentacle. (-1)

FF9
5* Strength Ribbon, 100+1 DEF, 95 RES, 10 ATK, Protectga SB
5* Black Robe, 73 DEF, 120+1 RES, 10 MAG, MT Fire SB
 
Keep

FF10
4* Mage Gauntlet, 33 DEF, 47 RES, 10 ATK, 16 MAG, 14 MND
5* Halloween Hat, 51 DEF, 100+1 RES, 24 MAG, 21 MND
 
Keep the hat junk the gauntlet. (-1)
 
FF12
5* Survival Vest, 102+1 DEF, 100 RES, Shellga SB.
 
Shellga SB would make this a lock regardless of its stats TBH.
 
FF13
4* Silver Bangle, 34 DEF, 42 RES, 13 ATK/MAG/MND
 
I guess I could wait for a copy to come up sometime, but at this point I’m thinking just junk all my 4*s since I have so many 5* armors. (-1)
 
FF14
5* Summoner’s Horn, 64 DEF, 110+1 RES, 27 MAG, 23 MND, RES Down SB
 
See the Survival Vest.
 
FFT
6* So-Kai Armband, 93 DEF, 91+1 RES, 28 ATK, 20 MAG, 21 MND
 
Keep.
 
Yeaaaaaaaah, after going through this I’m just going to junk all my 4* armors except the FF4 ones. Nothing really approaches the RES those give me with realm synergy, if I ever need to build for that. That frees up a whopping 5 slots. It’s something, at least.


OK, now the category that fills me with even more “But I may use it somedaaaaay!” vibes than even the armor category did. Going to sort Accessories by main stat raised as opposed to realm synergy. Elemental and status resists will have S, M, L, or XL next to them based on whatever the in game description is telling me.


ATK Boosters
5* Squall’s Necklace (8), 30 ATK
5* Aries Zodiac Stone (T), 30 ATK
5* Double Sided Coin (6), 30 ATK
5* Gilgamesh Hood (5), 30 ATK
5* something Pendant (no synergy), 30 ATK
5* Hero’s Belt (7), 25 ATK 10 DEF
5* Warriors Ring (non), 25 ATK, 5 DEF
5* Brutal Piercing (11), 20 ATK, 10DEF
5* Bomb Ring (4), 15 ATK, Fire Resistance (M)
5* Locke’s Bandana (6), 15 ATK, Fire Resist (M)
5* Coral Ring (9), 15 ATK, Lightning Resist (M)
5* Goddess Piercing (13), 15 ATK, Lightning Resist (M)
5* Cloud’s Goggles (7), 15 ATK, Blind Resist (L)
4* Silver Spectacles, 10 ATK, Blind Resist (M)
4* Lightning Ring (7), 10 ATK, Lightning Resist (M)
 
OK first of all selling that no-synergy garbage, wtf is that. Anything else with synergy is going to beat or match it, even ignoring the fact I’m never going to be running more than 4 attackers in a party where I need to think about my setup. I have half a mind to ditch the Brutal Pierce as well, FF11 synergy barely exists. Other than that everything has their niche. I’ll probably compile resistance gear at the end and cull things based on if I can outfit my entire team against that element/status, but for now let’s just say I’m at -2

MAG Boosters
5* Force Bracelet (8), 30 MAG
5* Terra’s Pendant (6), 30 MAG
5* Silver Dragon Wing (9), 30 MAG
5* Kerberos Relief (7), 30 MAG
5* Black Mage Twin Stars (4), 30 MAG
5* Adept Ring (10), 20 MAG, 15 RES
5* Fire Mantle (4), 15 MAG, Fire Resist (M)
5* Glug Stone (9), 15 Mag, Fire Resist (M)
5* Wew Lad Earring (3), 15 MAG, Ice Resist (M)
4* Hope Scarf, (13), 15 MAG, ID Resist (S)
4* Hope Scarf, (13), 15 MAG, ID Resist (S)
 
May toss the scarves. I picked them up for the ID resist but that’s rarely ever worth it, especially since the resist sucks. May keep em. We’ll see. Keep everything else.

MND Boosters
5* Memory Sphere (X), 30 MND
5* Dr. Cid’s Spectacles (12), 30 MND
5* Lenna’s Earring (5), 30 MND
5* Vanille’s Necklace, 15 MND, Earth Resist (M)
5* Cat Bell (7), 15 MND, Max HP+500
5* Moogle Charm (1), 10 MND, Confuse Resist (M), Slow Resist (M)
 
Keep all of it.

DEF and RES Boosters
5* Gauntlet (4), 20 DEF, 15 RES
5* Angel Broach (Non), 30 DEF, 0 RES
5* Tea Leaf (T), 15 DEF, 0 RES, Max HP+500
5* Maiden’s Talisman (13), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Blind Resist (M)
5* Silver Pendant (13), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Max HP +500
5* Lots of Kanji (Non), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Dark Resist (M)
4* Stone Dragon Bracelet (X), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Stone Resist (M)
4* Breezy Mantle (6), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Earth Resist (M)
4* Light Curtain (8), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Holy Resist (M)
4* Light Curtain (8), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Holy Resist (M)
4* Fire Ring (5), 10 DEF, 0 RES, Fire Resist (M)
 
I have half a mind to toss most of this because I never build for defense. Anyway, probably toss the Fire Ring, I have enough fire resist stuff and 10 defense sucks. I may also toss the Stone Resist bracelet, Petrify never really comes up in U+ battles, and if it does I usually just S/L my way past it. I know as soon as I junk it though I’m gonna regret it. #hoarder

HP Boosters
5* Gold Amulet (12), HP+700
5* Adel’s Mask (8), HP+700
5* Cat Bell (7), 15 MND, Max HP+500
5* Silver Pendant (13), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Max HP +500
5* Tea Leaf (T), 15 DEF, 0 RES, Max HP+500
 
Even with synergy, the pure HP boosters aren’t worth the accessory slot. Even with synergy, Adel’s only boosts HP by 1050, which in practice ends up giving you one extra hit of breathing room most of the time. The ones that raise another stat and HP are probably worth keeping, though.
 
Blah now here’s the part where I tally up resistances. Most tedious for last. Grouped by element, status, and in descending order of resistance. Not including armors since I’m pretty sure you can stack resistances with armor and accessories.

Fire Resist
6* Fire Ring, Fire Resist (L)
5* Fire Mantle (4), 15 MAG, Fire Resist (M)
5* Glug Stone (9), 15 Mag, Fire Resist (M)
5* Bomb Ring (4), 15 ATK, Fire Resistance (M)
5* Locke’s Bandana (6), 15 ATK, Fire Resist (M)
5* Gigas Ring, Fire Resist (M), Lightning Resist (M), Ice Resist (M), Water Weakness
5* Infernal Bangle, Fire Resist (M), Earth Resist (M)
4* Garbage Ring, 10 DEF, Fire Resist (M)
 
Ice Resist
6* Ice Ring, Ice Resist (L)
5* Gigas Ring, Ice Resist (M), Fire Resist (M), Lightning Resist (M), Water Weakness
5* Wew Lad Earring (3), 15 MAG, Ice Resist (M)

Lightning Resist
6* Lightning Ring, Lit Resist (L)
5* Coral Ring (9), 15 ATK, Lightning Resist (M)
5* Goddess Piercing (13), 15 ATK, Lightning Resist (M)
4* Lightning Ring (7), 10 ATK, Lightning Resist (M)
5* Gigas Ring, Lightning Resist (M), Fire Resist (M), Ice Resist (M), Water Weakness
 
Water Resist
6* Water Ring, Water Resist (L)
5* Silver Pendant, Wind Resist (M), Water Resist (M)
 
Wind Resist
6* Wind Ring, Wind Resist (L)
5* Silver Pendant, Wind Resist (M), Water Resist (M)
 
Earth Resist
5* Vanille’s Necklace, 15 MND, Earth Resist (M)
5* Infernal Bangle, Fire Resist (M), Earth Resist (M)
4* Breezy Mantle (6), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Earth Resist (M)
 
Holy Resist
6* Holy Ring, Holy Resist (L)
4* Light Curtain (8), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Holy Resist (M)
4* Light Curtain (8), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Holy Resist (M)
 
Dark Resist
5* Ring of I Can’t Read This, Dark Resist (M)

Blind Resist
5* Cloud’s Goggles (7), 15 ATK, Blind Resist (L)
5* Maiden’s Talisman (13), 0 DEF, 15 RES, Blind Resist (M)
4* Silver Spectacles, 10 ATK, Blind Resist (M)

Slow Resist
5* Silver Bracelet, Slow Resist (M), ID Resist (M)
5* Moogle Charm (1), 10 MND, Confuse Resist (M), Slow Resist (M)
 
Confuse Resist
5* Moogle Charm (1), 10 MND, Confuse Resist (M), Slow Resist (M)
 
Sleep Resist
4* Cloud’s Wig (7), 10 ATK, Sleep Resist (M)
 
ID Resist
5* Memento Ring, ID Resist (L)
5* Memento Ring, ID Resist (L)
5* Silver Bracelet, ID Resist (M), Slow Resist (M)
4* Hope Scarf, (13), 15 MAG, ID Resist (S)
4* Hope Scarf, (13), 15 MAG, ID Resist (S)
4* Protection Ring, ID resist (M)
4* Protection Ring, ID resist (M)

 
Pheeeeeeeeew. Fuck OK I’m glad I am done with that.

The FF5 defense fire ring, and my non-synergy garbage (minus the dark resistance one) are gone. The ones that only raise HP are out too. The Freebie FF11 one I will also be fine without. I’m going to sell my two Hope’s Scarves, my two Protection rings, or one of each. I have to look up the difference in ID resistance there. I’ll probably nix Cloud’s Wig, too. Sleep is a relatively harmless status and if I am in a situation where everyone gets put to sleep that’s probably a S/L anyway. And probably… keep everything else? Yeesh I was hoping to cull back my inventory more than this. I’ll probably end up junking a bunch of my defense accessories, actually, if push comes to shove.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 06, 2016, 03:21:55 PM
Minor resistances on status reduces a status' accuracy by 50%, if this changes anything on your evaluation. This is multiplicative and non-stackable. Elemental resists are far more esoteric, but worth noting they're also non-stackable.
 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 06, 2016, 03:32:49 PM
Explain what you mean by minor? At least, in the JP version, Elemental resists are denoted by 小/低 (Small)、 中(Medium)、 and 大・高 (Large). By Minor resistance, do you mean the lowest one or the middle one?

Also, knowing they don't stack helps and means I'm gonna have to go over my armors again. I think the only relevant one was Minwu's robe with its ID resist, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 06, 2016, 03:44:15 PM
Minor = 小/低, moderate = 中 and major = 大・高. I think major resistance is like a 97% reduction to status accuracy. Moderate... it hardly ever comes up, so I'm not really certain on the numbers there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 06, 2016, 11:46:17 PM
Ah, yeah, that does help. I'll probably ditch the protection rings, then. 15 MAG + 50% ID resistance is probably better than 75% ID resist, since the MAG can play off of synergy. Plus, if there is a BS ID boss in the future that I'd want ID resist for, I can just hone Marise/Arise and use Aeris.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 07, 2016, 12:12:21 AM
Belatedly:

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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 07, 2016, 12:18:45 AM
Ah, yeah, that does help. I'll probably ditch the protection rings, then. 15 MAG + 50% ID resistance is probably better than 75% ID resist, since the MAG can play off of synergy. Plus, if there is a BS ID boss in the future that I'd want ID resist for, I can just hone Marise/Arise and use Aeris.

Meep in mind that status rates can exceed 100% in some cases. Gravity in particular has often appeared at something like 303% in the past.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 07, 2016, 12:39:56 AM
Yeah I started to say that minor resist is effectively nothing as I recall.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 07, 2016, 02:34:41 AM
Oh, wonky RPG maths.

So, is the percentage a straight reduction or is it a percentage of the base percent? For example, if I had a 97% reduction accessory equipped, would the 303% gravity be reduced to 303-97= 206%, making resistance completely useless, or would it be 303-303*.97=9.09%, making the accessory worthwhile most of the time, barring absurdly high base percentage hit rates?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 07, 2016, 03:44:51 AM
Probably the latter.  When AC Cloud event came out his goggles (moderate blind resist) were supposed to be used for one of the last boss fights but you would still get blinded 50% of the time while wearing them.

Ultimate Leblanc squad mastered.

Lenna (Curaja, Protectga, Mako Might)
Rikku (Mug Time, Thief's Revenge, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
Terra (Quake, Ruinga, Witch of Succession)
Kimarhi (Lifesiphon, Sky Grinder, Ace Striker)
Sephiroth (Yukikaze, Flame Blossom, Heroic Stance)

Sentinel Grimoire RW

Nothing fancy, just pump out constant aoe damage and drop SBs as necessary.  Mug Time kept Logos under control while taking him down first, while Mighty Guards give you breathing room against Leblanc.  Also helped that she did stupid shit at the end like hasting herself right before dying.  Ormi's ASPLOSIONS were pretty bad but Lenna's aoe healing kept him under control.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 07, 2016, 10:38:23 AM
Celes Wardrobe Record event, featuring Strago and Mog MC2s, goes live tomorrow in JP. Enjoy, Zenny.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 07, 2016, 11:08:35 AM
Looks like the M-dawgs coming out of retirement.

See the banners posted anywhere? I checked Reddit and did not. With the dungeon update released yesterday I realized I could pull off an 11 pull on the Krile Hastega banner, but maybe I'll want something from the FF6 banner instead.

EDIT: Bit the bullet and combined Agrias' Defender into Lightbringer. The deciding factor was the fact that Light Bringer also raises MND, so even with synergy I'd probably have Agrias use the off-synergy weapon to make her WM4 usable.

I was amused by the fact that they released FFT dungeons *just* as I had decided to get rid of the weapon, but it's turning out to be similar to FF14 dungeons where even the elites don't break 90 difficulty, so nah not gonna worry about realm synergy for that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 07, 2016, 11:39:45 AM
No banners yet, sadly. I'd just wait til tomorrow to make a decision.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 07, 2016, 01:34:37 PM
HOLY SHIT CELES BSB BOOSTS ATTACK AND MAGIC FINALLY ANOTHER STACKABLE MAG BUFF (also provides enholy but w/e)

EDIT: Terra gets another SSB, this time from a hat. Fire damage + Enfire. Gau gets an SSB - another hat - and Locke's Valiant Knife and Relm's Chocobo Brush make a return. Banner 2 marks the return of Terra's BSB, Setzer gets an SSB and Sabin, Edgar and Celes get their SSBs reissued, while Relm gets a new robe with Critical boost + Hastega. Mog and Strago get no new SBs (...).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 07, 2016, 01:45:22 PM
To elaborate:

Banner 1:

Celes' Lightbringer [BSSB, +10 ATK] - Medium ATK & MAG up for party, En-Holy, Burst Mode
Terra's Tiara [SSB, +10 MAG] - 4 AOE Fire magic attacks, En-Fire
Gau's Pikapika [SSB, +10 ATK] - 3 AOE physical attacks, 3 turns rage mode dealing 2 AOE attacks each turn
Locke's Valiant Knife [SSB, +10 ATK] - 8 single-target physical attacks, damage increases the lower the user's HP is
Relm's Chocobo Brush [SSB, +10 MND] - h85 heal and High Regen for party
Setzer's Cards - 3 AOE physical attacks, ATK & MAG -40%
Thief Bracer - AOE Slow

Banner 2:

Terra's Stardust Rod [BSSB, +10 MAG] - 5 AOE NE magic attacks, Burst Mode
Setzer's Trick Dice [SSB, +10 ATK] - Random (up to 6) single-target physical damage, large ATK & MAG down
Celes' Excalibur [SSB, +10 ATK] - 5 single-target physical attacks, absorbs Black and White magic for some time
Edgar's Chainsaw [SSB, +10 ATK] - 5 random single-target physical attacks, lowers Bio vulnerability
Sabin's Tiger Fang [SSB, +10 ATK] - 8 single-target physical attacks, 1 time Physical Blink to party
Relm's Light Robe - Large Critical Boost & Haste to party
And the Thief Bracer again.

Yeah, Illumina (Lightbringer, pffffft) is fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 07, 2016, 01:54:28 PM
Gau's SSB equip being the helmet they used to cross the Serpent Trench is frankly hilarious.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 07, 2016, 02:00:32 PM
I only wish it were also his wardrobe record.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 07, 2016, 02:13:08 PM
do the hastega thing
do the waifu thing
do the hastega thing
do the waifu thing
do the hastega thing
do the waifu thing

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

edit: fuck it im doin the waifu thing
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 07, 2016, 02:21:55 PM
Depending on the waifu, you can cover both. The first banner looks definitely superior to me, though.

(says the person with five native sources of hastega)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 07, 2016, 02:25:25 PM
...Hm.  One of my friends is looking into starting FFRK, but he wants to be able to reroll until he gets Yuna's Tiny Bees.  He's got a Google Play account, so does anyone know of any instructions on how to do this?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 07, 2016, 02:59:06 PM
Yeah, I think I'm still gonna do a 3 pull on Krile and then do an 11 on Celes' BSSB. Banner 1 is way superior, Banner 2 is OK but honestly Terra's BSSB sucks, and Celes' looks legitimately amazing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 07, 2016, 05:33:47 PM
About time we had another party-wide Magic buff that can stack with other Faithga effects.  Also, I totally expected Terra to get an En-Fire Soul Break event, I did NOT expect it it to be another SSB.  Perfect timing to pop as well seeing as it turns Meltdown into a 22x damage (over 3 hits) attack if Fire isn't resisted.

Also, Setzer's SSB is Attack and Res down, not Attack and Magic Down.  This is a big deal for 2 reason:

A. Unique Stat Down combination, meaning it stacks with all other Attack Down buffs.
B. It's a rare Res Down buff that stacks with others for the same reason, which in turn helps Mages further


Honestly, between Celes' and Setzer's new stuff, and the claim of a new 5* Black Magic spell that's Multi-hit, maybe they're finally taking steps for remedying the Offensive Magic, recognizing it was NOT in a fine state.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 07, 2016, 06:44:47 PM
In other news, blitzing elite dungeons and dailies for mythril has brought me up from 3 on Tuesday morning to 41 now. So I've got one or two more pulls on the FFT banner ahead of me, which is nice (I'll stop if and when I get any Ramza SB).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 07, 2016, 06:51:19 PM
What's your current stamina, idly?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 07, 2016, 07:01:24 PM
Just hit 90, up from 81 before this binge started.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 07, 2016, 07:43:51 PM
Man, you have lots of mithril just waiting for you to claim.

I couldn't resist.

Pulled again.

Got ramzas stone throw armlet.

It's good.

Not what I wanted, but a fine consolation prize.

Working through elite dungeons I've been lazily avoiding.

Plodding through ffv now since I have stumbled into some decent gear synergy with that game.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 07, 2016, 08:22:11 PM
...Hm.  One of my friends is looking into starting FFRK, but he wants to be able to reroll until he gets Yuna's Tiny Bees.  He's got a Google Play account, so does anyone know of any instructions on how to do this?

The Android version automatically and unavoidably syncs based on the Google account you're logged into, so I guess he could keep making new accounts in order to reset his progress, and add whichever one ultimately draws the Bee to his phone? This would be easiest on a desktop Android emulator.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 08, 2016, 12:21:11 AM
Mug time or thieves revenge?

Which should I hone, if any?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 08, 2016, 01:23:08 AM
https://www.twitch.tv/zedoshi/v/59222840 - in which Zedoshi rolls a Platinum Sword and Grand Armor on his core only account, augments the former into his pumpkin, and sells the latter.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 08, 2016, 02:58:49 AM
https://www.twitch.tv/zedoshi/v/59222840 - in which Zedoshi rolls a Platinum Sword and Grand Armor on his core only account, augments the former into his pumpkin, and sells the latter.

https://www.twitch.tv/zedoshi/v/59222840
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 08, 2016, 03:13:12 AM
In other news I just pulled a second Exdeath Armor.

Fuck this game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 08, 2016, 03:14:23 AM
Mug time or thieves revenge?

Which should I hone, if any?

I have been really happy with Mug Time since I crafted it.  Severely underrated ability.  But I don't see much reason to hone it, rank 1 is fine.

I made r3 Thief's Revenge because pretty much all my best relics are on Thief characters.  I haven't been using it long but it's been quite solid so far.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 08, 2016, 10:47:22 AM
Welp, apparently they're releasing a pick-your-SB banner soon similar to the Beginner's banner. All of it is actually pretty good, too. Maduin's Horn, Leonhart's Armor, Faris's SSB Bow... but the obvious jewel there is Eiko's Golem Flute. Yeaaaaaah. Golem's Flute would fill my need for a non-Zack Hastega and open up my flexibility options so much it would be dumb to not pull on it. I'm hoping the deadline for pulling is quite long, as I would still like to get in an 11-pull on Celes's BSSB, but we'll see. A hastega that also heals lets me ditch Zack, who really has not been pulling his weight aside from keeping up Haste.

EDIT: I just realized I could theorhetically smurf global accounts until I pulled Shout.

I am not going to do that. That would be dumb. But I really really want to do that just to get it out of my fucking system.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 08, 2016, 11:48:03 AM
4th FFT 11 pull: N-Kai! With four 4* FF6 daggers, too, so I'm in better shape for the upcoming Relm event. As much as I'd like hastega, this should be where I quit while ahead; Ramza with a good damage SB is my best break monkey by far (bye, Irvine!) if not a mainstay on my A-team.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 08, 2016, 12:44:11 PM
Being your best break monkey alone tends to earn a PC a spot on your A-team, that's how good Support 5 off actual stats and equipment options is. See Zenny taking Ramza borderline everywhere as well while his only relic for him is the Nu-Khai Armlet.

EDIT: Also, keep in mind that Agrias' Cleansing Strike ATK/MAG -50% effect STACKS with breakdowns -and- Full Break, so the two of them will synergize very well together in your party.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 08, 2016, 12:47:16 PM
EDIT: I just realized I could theorhetically smurf global accounts until I pulled Shout.

I am not going to do that. That would be dumb. But I really really want to do that just to get it out of my fucking system.

There's always Golden Week orbfest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 08, 2016, 01:54:45 PM
Quote
Welp, apparently they're releasing a pick-your-SB banner soon similar to the Beginner's banner. All of it is actually pretty good, too. Maduin's Horn, Leonhart's Armor, Faris's SSB Bow... but the obvious jewel there is Eiko's Golem Flute. Yeaaaaaah. Golem's Flute would fill my need for a non-Zack Hastega and open up my flexibility options so much it would be dumb to not pull on it. I'm hoping the deadline for pulling is quite long, as I would still like to get in an 11-pull on Celes's BSSB, but we'll see. A hastega that also heals lets me ditch Zack, who really has not been pulling his weight aside from keeping up Haste.

IIRC, it's not Faris' SSB, just her 2nd Soul Break.  That said, it says something that Organics, Maduin's Horn and Peacemaker are considered "out of date" relics.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 08, 2016, 02:04:16 PM
Welcome to the power creep. Heck, Organics is considered sorta outdated even -on Global-...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 08, 2016, 02:12:15 PM
You're right about Faris' bow, I misread.

Assuming you have nothing else (this is basically Beginner's Banner v2 after all), Peacemaker is still probably fine due to being 5 hits, MT, and elemental. Elemental SBs never go completely out of style vs. weakness. Maduin's Horn is kiiinda usable because of how many hits it has if you have decent magic buffing and synergy, but otherwise yeah it's pretty outdated now. Organics is garbage and has been for a while; it's basically outdated already in Global. An SSB that only deals physical, non-elemental damage? With only 3 hits at that? Get the fuck out of here

Ghost Edit: fuck u sno

actual edit: ammendment, MULTIHIT elemental SBs never go completely out of style vs. weakness
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 08, 2016, 02:21:11 PM
Lightning's SSB also has the perk of having the highest mult of any AoE SSB up to date, outliers like Tidus and Cecil BSBs post-En-element aside. It actually didn't age too badly, but not having any extra perks is a bit of a bummer, since just about every SSB now has at least one bonus effect in addition to damage. But such is the fate of the first-wavers. Cloud actually has it worse in general due to always being the first to get the new toys.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 08, 2016, 02:34:47 PM
Fenrir Drive is still pretty beast in JP. That crit rate and all those nonelemental hits.... just tends to work out best for an 'any situation' DPS boost. (Which tends to be what I need in JP... I have Wall, Shout, Medicas, but my damage SBs are lacking hard...)

Oh, I just drew Gau's SSB hat. It's so adorable.

I'm still never using Gau.

Maria-Celes forever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 08, 2016, 02:36:10 PM
Fenrir Drive, notably, is still the best BSSB RW for farming since it's autobattle attack is it's MT 2hit. So not all of Cloud's breaks are garbage. You can get up to 800, maybe 1200 gil a day if you have the Fusion Sword!

GEdit: Fak u Deejei

Real Edit: Nah for real though the really instantly outdated BSSB is Yuna's. It's basically already outdated in global and YOU JUST GOT IT.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 08, 2016, 02:44:24 PM
Yuna's BSB issue isn't so much being outdated as just being very poorly designed. It's a mainly offensive SB with a Magic focus on a Mind-focused equip whose Mind-based option is a piece of junk (Cure-level AoE that's often worse than just casting Regen? What the hell, DeNa). They missed the shots all over the place.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 08, 2016, 03:06:59 PM
Semantics. Point is it's terrible.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 08, 2016, 03:09:33 PM
Man, Tactics bonus battles are slated to land tonight. A brand new +30 ATK accessory will be nice to have, so will finally nabbing Saint Cross. Gilgamesh certainly won't mind the new 5* toy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 08, 2016, 03:10:22 PM
It works pretty well as a RW if you have a mage summon her.

Also, the Tiny Bee is still a cool stat stick - Mind/Magic on a gun is something I'd like.

But uh... yeah, I'd still take any other BSB out there if possible.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 08, 2016, 03:25:30 PM
Being your best break monkey alone tends to earn a PC a spot on your A-team, that's how good Support 5 off actual stats and equipment options is. See Zenny taking Ramza borderline everywhere as well while his only relic for him is the Nu-Khai Armlet.

EDIT: Also, keep in mind that Agrias' Cleansing Strike ATK/MAG -50% effect STACKS with breakdowns -and- Full Break, so the two of them will synergize very well together in your party.

The main thing keeping me from "Fuck yeah usable Ramza let's do this" is that I need 13 more major power orbs to get an R2 Full Break, and without that the utility of Support 5 is marginal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 08, 2016, 03:38:48 PM
Being your best break monkey alone tends to earn a PC a spot on your A-team, that's how good Support 5 off actual stats and equipment options is. See Zenny taking Ramza borderline everywhere as well while his only relic for him is the Nu-Khai Armlet.

EDIT: Also, keep in mind that Agrias' Cleansing Strike ATK/MAG -50% effect STACKS with breakdowns -and- Full Break, so the two of them will synergize very well together in your party.

The main thing keeping me from "Fuck yeah usable Ramza let's do this" is that I need 13 more major power orbs to get an R2 Full Break, and without that the utility of Support 5 is marginal.

With Agrias, not really. -50%~ Attack or Mag Down stacked effectively turns them into kittens, so you already get great use out of R2-3 Magic and Power Breakdown. Not to mention the other goodies on Ramza's skillset, though Knight 4 is less attractive when you have two top-tier SB Knights already for your leisure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 08, 2016, 03:52:36 PM
Hmmm. Along those lines, then, my setup off the top of my head would be:

Lightning: R5 Tempo Flurry/R4 Spellblade of choice, ATK up RM (eventually Ace Striker or Ramza's equivalent) (Crushing Blow SB)
Gilgamesh: ????/R5 Armor Break, Dr. Mog's Teachings for first-turn High Regen (Faithful Companion SB)
Agrias: R3 Banishing Strike/R3 Lifesiphon, Mako Might (Cleansing Strike SB)
Ramza: R2 Power Breakdown/R3 Magic Breakdown, ???? RM (Hail of Stones SB)
Lenna: [Protectga or Shellga as needed]/Curaga, Knight's Charge (Princess' Favor SB)

RM Shout
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 08, 2016, 04:12:05 PM
On many battles, you'll get more out of Agrias' WM4 (Shellga/Protectga, whichever Lenna's not using)/Spellblade skillset (Drain Blade is great and worth making multiple copies of to take the heat off of Lenna) and giving Banishing Strike to Ramza, assuming you don't need Ramza to do both Power and Magic BDs. You're also frankly going to need SG/SS2 more often than you'll need Shout, so Ramza's Bard ability to use the ATK-boosting song will also come in handy, though Water of Strength (if Global ever gets that) will be a better option on Lenna (in that case, you would put the more important of Protectga/Shellga on Agrias).

I wouldn't worry too much about a set setup because the strength of your current build is in just how goddamn flexible you are. You should also consider getting another Lifesiphon for Gilgy and Lightning to be able to run all 3 of them on SB duty if you so need. Wednesdaily and Tuesdaily will be your friend for the forseeable future.

EDIT: You also have Mog, which... OK, with those SSBs I'm not sure how often it will come up, but he was my workhorse for a really long time, and offhand I'd say without a hastega, running two white mages is going to be more important than running both Gilgamesh and Agrias at the same time, offhand, even if you're utilizing Agrias's WM4 abilities.

Point is, try not to plan for a "this is my set build" so much, and keep in mind all the available options you have, because what your best team for a given situation is, is going to depend on the boss. I only stopped changing from my A-team after I had such a limited range of overpowered BSB/SSBs that choosing anything else I had was outright worse. You're not quite at that point yet, so be willing to sub others out and **especially without a hastega be willing to use two white mages**. Not all the time, obviously, but keep the option available.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 08, 2016, 04:17:25 PM
Wait, there's a boostga song?

....so there is. Huh. What's the percentage on that?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 08, 2016, 04:19:47 PM
15%. It's not great, definitely worse than Mog's Sunbath, and IIRC on par with the Holiday Mittens. But regardless, it's usable in a pinch.  I'd say his support skills are gonna do you more good in the long run though. Also read my edits.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 08, 2016, 04:28:10 PM
Noted. That was the reason for the Shout SB; without some kind of AOE attack up it's difficult to justify ditching Mog for Ramza on the strength of his breaks when I could use Sunbath and then RW one of the Hastega/Res up SSBs for combined haste and mitigation. Point taken about flexibility, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 08, 2016, 04:36:35 PM
Yeah, fair. Ramza's really your weak link now that you mention it, especially with Agrias' Breakdown SB. Actually, considering you have that, yeah I'd probably swap Ramza out for Mog most of the time, unless you need to hit a target score your other characters can't, or you need more survivability than a Wall RW alone isn't providing, or you need his 100% stun. That or maybe Gilgamesh. I honestly don't know how much damage his SSB deals compared to Throw Stone (I would assume more), though one should note that its secondary benefit overlaps with Sun Bath, and 100% stun is quite useful when you're not hastega'd.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 08, 2016, 04:39:04 PM
The lesson here is that I should keep pulling for Platinum Sword/Grand Armor, clearly.

Edit: Yeah, Faithful Companion is Blade Beam with party regen (down to the number of hits), so it's mainly good for ensuring that my high regen has 100% uptime. Well, that and the part of the animation where Gilgamesh and Enkidu high-five.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 08, 2016, 04:43:21 PM
the part of the animation where Gilgamesh and Enkidu high-five.

wait what

more things im sad i dont have

and you're not really wrong about the Plat Sword. That would lock your build in and you wouldn't have to think about the Ultimate battles for months with the other SBs you have. I maaaaaaay be biased/bitter/drunk, though. In fact, I am definitely two of those.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 08, 2016, 04:51:18 PM
Well, that and the part of the animation where Gilgamesh and Enkidu high-five.

More precisely: Gilgamesh as his boss sprite and Enkidu.

Regardless, yeah, Ramza with Plat Sword is obscenely overcentralizing. I can't even think of -anyone else- I'd use as my Support in -any- situation at this point (I even have a 7* Golem Flute if for some godforsaken reason I want to run him ranged...). Hastega's way too important and Attack +50% is way too good - that's 107~% more damage for the current sources of the highest burst damage available in the game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 08, 2016, 04:54:13 PM
Regular boss sprite, though, not post-Morphing Time.

They should totally change the sprite if you use Faithful Companion with his default SB active.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 08, 2016, 07:14:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/8xeZcBp.jpg

Overdramatic much hinode?

Was going to post a rant on Reddit but it will just get downvoted.

Global is not treated badly at all in comparison to Japan.  We don't have rolling gacha, but it's been mathcrafted that it really doesn't improve overall drops that much.  We've had one banner with worse drop rates.  We've missed some minor events that weren't really important in the grand scheme of things.  We got late MCs for Edward, Firion, and Ingus.  Two of those are useless anyway due to bad realm synergy, and the other one is Edward.  Really the most significant thing we've missed in the history of RK is a rank 1 Blizzaja.

Now let's look at what we've gotten in return.  Early FF14 event with post-power creep characters.  Early quality of life changes that Japan didn't get until much later (orb exchange, etc.).  *Multiple* extra orbfests, with much higher xp rates than anything Japan has ever gotten.  An arguably better Beginner's Banner.

DeNa has always stated that Japan and global are to be treated as separate games.  They haven't failed to live up to any promises, because they never promised anything in the first place.  People just assume things, and then are shocked when their assumptions don't pan out.

DeNa is so far down on the company greed scale they don't even register.  You can play this game completely for free and still be competitive.  If you haven't already, go read my writeup of the Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes fiasco in WGAYP topic.  That was pure, unadulterated greed by EA/Capital Games, and I responded to them by uninstalling their app.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on April 08, 2016, 07:30:03 PM
I think removing transparency between versions on the basis of "we aren't legally required to report rates here" is pretty scummy.  But the base game is so player-friendly it's pretty irrelevant, and DeNA global has otherwise been fair about offering additional content and perks to compensate the version differences in banners from where I'm standing.

Honestly every app review page I've seen has been at least that bad so I dunno that it stands out that much.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 08, 2016, 07:43:04 PM
There are also 90.000 other reviews on the app, the vast majority of them rather overwhelmingly positive. DeNa's behavior on the FFT banner indeed was scumlike, but the subreddit blew it out of proportion in ways only salt-based dehydration could ever explain.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 08, 2016, 09:44:49 PM
The FFT Banner thing was bullshit, though yeah, blown out of proportion.  I should note that I do actually commend them for writing their distaste for it rather than just whine on a message board; making your voice heard that we really aren't fond of this and people CAN see through such bullshit is notable. 

Saying "I won't spend money on this game again!" or "this is stupid I quit!" sends the wrong message.  The whining on message boards, calling DeNA awful, etc. accomplishes nothing, not spending money basically tells them to change their strats in a way that may not be beneficial, etc.  It's like how boycotting a company because they did crap to your game accomplishes nothing since it means you're not buying the games that weren't screwed over, and instead telling that company 'we don't want this game, period.'  Sending angry letters at least gets your voice heard and getting enough of them will let the developers know exactly what you think and why.

Though I do agree it is blown out of proportion, and the fact that Reddit had to make a whole "Controversy" flair dedicated to this says everything.  I mostly agree with Captain K that this is just one instance of them pulling a stunt and hopefully being called out on it will make them think twice about attempting it again.  It's not a consistent trend, and DeNA isn't THE DEVIL!!! as a result, they just did something bad and do need to be called out on it in hopes they won't do it again.  If they don't do it again?  Then ok, fine, that implies they know they can't get away with this.  If they keep pulling this crap?  THEN you start complaining because it's clear they don't respect people.  A single instance =/= indicative of the big picture.

Also, might as well comment on this statement:

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Assuming you have nothing else (this is basically Beginner's Banner v2 after all), Peacemaker is still probably fine due to being 5 hits, MT, and elemental. Elemental SBs never go completely out of style vs. weakness. Maduin's Horn is kiiinda usable because of how many hits it has if you have decent magic buffing and synergy, but otherwise yeah it's pretty outdated now. Organics is garbage and has been for a while; it's basically outdated already in Global. An SSB that only deals physical, non-elemental damage? With only 3 hits at that? Get the fuck out of here

Oh, I understand that absolutely.  Beginner's Banners are intended to, after all, just get you started by giving you some easy 5* that aren't broken.  Obviously the older one isn't going to hold up since that stuff is really outdated, especially since the relics on there were for Wakka, Kain and Rydia, 3 characters who are "use them until you get better characters" as opposed to the characters on this banner where it's 6 characters from 6 different realms, on top of being stronger relics (and 3 SSBs so permanent stat boosts to that character.  Organics may be incredibly outdated, but it's still a potential +10 Strength for Cloud he wouldn't get otherwise, so it'd be helpful for that at least.)    It's more just general musing that "man, we've come far" that those are outdated...

Well, ok, Organics is especially bad, but then, no different than how Buster Sword was on the Global Beginner's Banner's free items and it was bad even by THOSE standards, FF7 Synergy being it's only saving grace
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 08, 2016, 10:46:59 PM
http://i.imgur.com/8xeZcBp.jpg

Overdramatic much hinode?


That was something I wrote up at 6 am to vent, shortly after reading both the rates survey post on reddit and an image of RK's surge to the top grossing charts of iTunes. At that point I knew that literally nothing I could do would make a difference because DeNA clearly got what they wanted to from the rates nerf, so I blew some steam off with the review while spending about as much effort on it as I use on farming orb dailies. A few days later I wrote up a more level headed analysis (https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/4dme3g/look_at_what_we_received_not_what_you_believe_was/d1sai0r) about what bothers me about the Tactics rate change in a heavily downvoted, mostly dead thread on reddit. I did it there instead of someplace more visible because again I don't expect anything to do to even have a chance at making a difference on DeNA's behavior, but I thought I could have a good conversation with Zurai about it based on his post history there, and I was correct on that account.

I will say here, though, that while agree that global RK players haven't really been treated that badly in comparison to Japan, global RK customers are being treated as second class citizens here at best and are risk of being turbo-screwed in the future if DeNA doesn't change their practices. The gacha has a moderate sized impact on someone's ability to clear out dungeons in this game, but makes at least 95% of its business model and is the one part of the game that is a risk of seriously messing up someone's life, so I do think it deserves outsized scrutiny compared to something like event orb rewards. JPRK has pretty good transparancy by mobile gacha standards from what I've seen, while global RK has almost no transparancy, which thanks to CS we know is explicitly due to company policy and gacha games being a much smaller business so there isn't the same regulatory pressure. If DeNA Japan suddenly cut the gacha rates in half, be it intentionally or even by accident, they're risking a lawsuit if people find out, which puts huge pressure on them not to do that and to immediately make amends to players if it somehow happens. If DeNA global cut the gacha rates in half somehow, they can (and, by all evidence will) put their heads in the sand and hide behind the technicality that they didn't actually promise anything so, strictly speaking, they've commited no fraud or false advertisement.

This has always been true of global RK, but in the past we've at least had the indirect transparancy provided by jp rates, knowing that global RK has always followed them in the past (besides rolling gacha, and I've seen literally no data on how meaningful that actually is). Now we know that jp rates will not necessarily be followed, we know that DeNA continues to refuse to publish anything resembling info on the gacha rates, and can do nothing but hope they won't slash the rates again or at even worse levels in the future.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 08, 2016, 10:51:22 PM
Also, my understanding is that Organics, Peacemaker, etc. are the gacha items for Beginner Banner 2.0, not the subsequent list of freebies you can pick one from. Think of them as the equivalent of SG and Kain/Rydia/Wakka items on the old JP beginner banner, not Healer Robe/Blazefire Saber/etc.

Then again this is all datamined and not official yet, so take it with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 09, 2016, 03:40:22 AM
Possible! If that's true then me pulling on it isn't nearly as guaranteed.

Also, I'm confused. I can't find it now and frankly have better things to do with my day today than scour the subreddit for it, but there was a post yesterday that did a statistical analysis of reported pulls and it seemed like everything was actually working as intended?  What is the big fuss? It just sounds like y'all are being saltier than fuckin' I am about not getting Scream. Also, if offbanner stuff was given a higher drop rate, so long as the drop rates of Scream/Hallowed Bolt weren't affected (they weren't, from what I read), given how rarely you want FFT synergy that's actually a good thing, isn't it?

Last I looked SSBs/top billing banner items were 1% and the consolation prize ones were 2%, and that seems to be what happened here.

also if your complaint is "i'm not getting my money's worth" maybe don't fucking spend money gambling.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 09, 2016, 04:11:34 AM
Searching the sub...is this (https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/4dpg04/fft_banner_poll_day_2_results_sample_size_doubled/initial) the one you mean? It has all the character relics at 1% and shared SB/stat stick gear at 1.5, leaving way more room than usual for off-banner. So people who were aiming for the SSBs got exactly the odds they'd expect, but the chance at down-banner items was in fact reduced. Yeah, FFT synergy isn't exactly a jackpot, but neither is the random-realm no-SB gear you're likely to get with an off-banner item.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 09, 2016, 05:01:13 AM
From what I understand, the situation is like this:

Normally, Character Relics have a 1% chance of being dropped, and the Generic 5*'s (Shared Soul Breaks or not) have a 2% chance each, leading to about a 13% chance of drawing an item on a banner like FFT where there's 5 character relics and 4 generic ones, or something along those lines.  There's a flat out % chance of getting a 5* in general and whatever is left goes to random off banner stuff, which is generally lower than Banner items.

The FFT Banner, it was 1% chance for character relics, and some value lower for non-character relics, I think 1.5% like Shale said.  This means only an 11% chance of getting an actual banner Relic, and thus a significantly higher chance of getting an Off-Banner relic since the 5* Rate is not changed, thereby you're bound to get more 5* Off Banner items than previous banners.

Now, the complaints are both justified and overblown.  They're justified since yes, people obviously pulled on the banner since they wanted items on the banner; if you get the consolation prizes (the generic relics)...well you're getting what you expected at least, and part of why people pull on banners is to get synergy for that realm (albeit, FFT is not really a meaningful realm, but one could argue if they do that to FFT, what's stopping them from doing it on a realm like FF9 or FF13, which actually has meaningful content?)  At the same time though, you're absolutely right that people are mostly upset because it's on the FFT Banner of all things, the one with Shout, and the kicker is the Platinum Sword, Kaiser Shield, etc. were unaffected by this change at all.  Those who didn't get the Platinum Sword still wouldn't have gotten the Platinum Sword.  They were really cheated out of something like a Chameleon Robe or Ice Rod.  If the FFT Banner wasn't quite as "OMG AMAZING!" (read: It didn't have Platinum sword), I bet the reaction wouldn't have been so violent, nor would have been so obvious.
That doesn't justify the complaints keep in mind, as this is more an illustration of pretty much what you said: People didn't get what they wanted, found something that was changed that they're using to project their own anger.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 09, 2016, 11:41:12 AM
In the JP banner Kaiser Shield/Grand Armor/Nu Kai Armband each had a 2% rate, while the SSBs and generics had a 1% rate. For global the former three are down to 1%, the shared SB items are up to 1.5% each, and off-banner is up from 1%->3%.

Kaiser Shield and Grand Armor are really good items (better than Defender IMO) and Nu Kai would've been really nice for someone like me who has only has old 5* bracers and almost no multi-hit SBs. The odds of getting something I wanted out of this banner went from 8% down to 5%, which is a huge drop in value.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 10, 2016, 02:20:22 AM
The daily dungeon reset is happening on Wednesday! I picked the right week to finally clear those things out.

Also, I did the math on how many core dungeons I have left, and it comes to almost 350. So I'm definitely chasing that platinum sword. There's more than enough to let me save up for the next big thing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 10, 2016, 02:54:25 AM
Beat FFT event but didn't master Weigraf or Belius.  Fuck battles where you can only lose 2 medals.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 10, 2016, 03:20:31 AM
Ooooh, I bet the ++ dailies will also come up with this update. 66 more Mythril for the FF12 stash.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 10, 2016, 05:39:11 AM
Forget if I mentioned I beat Velius or not...but I did, and honestly, he's not worth going into my usual LOOK AT THE TEAM I USED, since he clearly was easier than prior Ultimates save Garland, who really doesn't count.  I perfected Medal'd him even.

And yeah, 66 mithril over the course of a week = yay!!!  Also lots of extra insured 4*/5* Orbs from the daily rewards, etc.

Debating if I should throw a bit more mithril at the FFT banner.  I only have Nu-Kai Armlets.

On a different note, finished off FF3's and FF6's Elites.  FF6s weren't so bad, large part because of my synergy, but overall outside of maybe Dreamscape thanks to enemies with annoying AoEs, it was overall pretty tame.  FF3, on the otherhand?  Everything that had 3 Digit Difficulty can go to hell.  Enemies with physicals that hit hard as hell, Krakens love to blind you, bosses that are durable and stupid and ODIN JUST MURDERED MY TEAM BEFORE I WENT THE FUCK!?  etc.  FF1 and FF2 were bad realms, but their difficulty was so much lower that you just go "meh, whatever, glad I'm done with them."  Lake Dohr was the worst; I actually retreated, went in with an A-team I'd use on an Ultimate of Tyro/Terra/Auron/Ramza/Yuna, and STILL had to work for my victory.


So on a happier note, given FFT's Banner is going on, and most people did the draws they're likely going to do, the celebration past, I think this is a good opportunity to go over our character relics again to show off what we have, lament at what we don't have, and then mock someone else for lacking something and then get spun around as they mock us!

Going in order of Realm because easier to keep track (x2 means I had 2 at one point, whether they were fused or not):

Tyro's Sentinel Grimoire: Impulse 900 Gem Draw on a Celebration Banner...I was not allowed to complain about the results.
Tyro's Celebration Grimoire: It was free, I don't really have much else to say!

Faris' Aevis Killer(x2): First gotten in the initial event it was advertised, second in one of the celebration banners.  Anyway, it's a 5* Bow, something I lacked, and Faris is a good character so hey!

Terra's Minerva Bustier: After failing to get this in BOTH of the FF6 banners between throwing mithril and money at them, I threw 50 mithril at the SSB celebration banner it was on in December...and actually got it! 
Terra's Maduin's Horn: This one I threw money at as well, but it actually paid off!  Not only is this my first Super Soul Break, but it's my first 5* Rod that was an actual Black Stickl (I had Yuna's Lullaby Rod, and the FF6 Chain Flail, but both are White Sticks; my only Black Stick was Garnet's Storm Staff, which is a Staff), so it solved that issue too!
Locke's Rising Sun: My first Character relic...go figure, I didn't have Locke then.  Got it in Festival of Gold.
Edgar's Drill: Got this on the 50 Mithril Pull I did trying to get Maduin's Horn, didn't complain about it!  5* FF6 Lance with Defense Push tied to a decent character...and it's a FREAKING DRILL!
Setzer's Darts (x2): I have bitched about this plenty.  The first one? Ok, fine, Setzer gets an actual Soul Break, he's FF6's Support PC, I can make use of that!  A 2nd one?  That's just mean!  A 2nd of a weapon I don't mind but it's a weapon only Setzer (and Tyro) can use, so it's ONLY useful in FF6 Realms.  The two I got were on separate FF6's Banners.

Zack's Buster Sword: This was an impulse pull on one of the SSB Banners in December, and it was a pleasant surprise!
Aerith's Wizard Staff: WHY IS THIS A ROD!?  Ahem, anyway, it's an FF7 Mage Weapon which I lacked, and it is an SSB...unfortunately it's identical to an SSB I already had, on a character who was basically the same thing...so it was hard to get excited
Yuffie's Headband: Got this on the 5th Banner, it was hard to get excited despite being a good Soul Break because Yuffie doesn't really fit in well especially when I have that many Medicas running around.
Tifa's Grand Glove: Got this in an October Lucky Draw...and I've yet to use Tifa since she mastered it.  The most use it's gotten is being a weapon for Red XIII to run with during FF7 Realms go figure, because Somersault is a crappy Soul Break.

Squall's Shear Trigger: Black Friday Lucky Draw, at least it's not Revolver!
Rinoa's Rising Sun: Also gotten in the Black Friday Lucky Draw, made me hate life in that Rinoa was now easily my best Black Mage for a while.
Seifer's Coat: ...I'm not listing Seifer's name twice in that item.  Got this in one of the 1st Anniversary Lucky Draws.  It's a Light Armor that boosts Attack, and the Soul Break has a Res Boost on a character with a half-decent skillset so...

Garnet's Storm Staff: One of the Orbtober Fest Lucky Draws I got, hasn't seen much use because Garnet tends to compete with other White Mage/Summoners, and Summon Ramuh is kind of meh.
Eiko's Fairy Flute (x2): My 2nd Super Soul Break...gotten twice at the same time!  Gotten in the celebration naturally.  I'd have been more excited except that Yuna's Hymn of the Fayth is just better.  If this was Curaga-level healing, it MIGHT see more use.  THAT SAID, it is my first 5* Instrument, so that's something and if I do ever get Ramza's Platinum Sword, it'd work for a Mind weapon for him.
Steiner's Ultima Sword: Oh hey, an FF9 Sword, I actually need that!  Got this in Banner 5.

Tidus' Brotherhood: Got this in one of the October Lucky Draws, so when I got it, it wasn't TOO outdated, and it's an MT Soul Break.  Was useful as an FF10 Synergy Sword during several events.
Tidus' Lightning Steel: Boosts Lightning damage for Spellblades and a better sword than Brotherhood with a decent ST Soul Break for Tidus (as in, "not capped to 9999"), got it during the recent Lucky Draws.
Yuna's Lullaby Rod: Also gotten in the Black Friday Lucky Draw, one of my most important draws too!  This softened the blow of the Rinoa thing too because hey, relic for a character I DO like!
Auron's Shimmering Blade: Another October Lucky Draw weapon, this was my first 5* Katana, and unlike Brotherhood, Dragonfang sees more consistent use because not only is Auron a better character, but it has an actual special effect worth using just adding utility.
Auron's Riot Blade: Got this in the 100 Gem Draw from the FF10-2 Event, it was quite a happy moment.  It's also my ONLY physical SSB; Auron was already constantly seeing use in a lot of high level content for me due to Dragonfang, so this really just highlighted the whole "USE AURON DAMN IT!" thing more.
Rikku's Buster Claw: GOt in the 100 Gem Draw from the banner prior Auron's Riot Blade, it was the character relic I got from a 100 Gem Draw, so a pleasant surprise since I wasn't intending on pulling much from that banner.
Lulu's Hairpin: ...see Seifer's Coat about the name. I pulled on Banner 4 hoping to get this and I got...exactly this!  It means I can actually build up Mage meta once I get an actual conventional Faithga Relic...or I could just use a Roaming Warrior.

Balthier's Ras Alghetti: Grabbed it from the Beginner's Banner because I could use a 5* Gun

Lightning's Blazefire Sabre: Another October Lucky Draw Weapon, was my strongest Sword for a while, and makes Lightning my best Spellblader, or at least she was but now that I got Steiner's Ultima Sword, that may have changed.  Still, it was a good draw for what it was.

Thancred's Ninja Chainmail(x2): My first Character relic I could actually make use of!  Thancred was a staple in my team for a while the sole reason of "he had an actual Soul Break!"

Ramza's N-Kai Armlet (x2): Hey look, Ramza has an actual Soul Break now, and he throws meteors in it!  Do I really have to say anything else?  Yeah, it's the worst of his 3 Soul Breaks, but that's only because his other two are stupid good.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 10, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
Fft event mastered. Had more issues with weigraf then with belius.

Man its been ages since I did a sundaily.

Ingus gets an jnvite to the squad for the 1st time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 10, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
E-peen measuring? Okay. My current character relics, from newest to oldest.

Ramza's Platinum Sword: I was expecting to get -anything- but this from the FFT banner. As luck would have it, it's the only relic from it I got. And yeah, the Shout hype is true: it dwarfs all other non-stacking attack buffs, ATK +50% and Hastega from a single source is way too good and alone makes Ramza a must-have Support. Two SSBs and Shout in your party pretty much murder everything once all pieces fall into place in battle.

Gilgamesh's Genji Blade+: Fairly standard AoE 6x mult attack with three hits and Major Regen attached, so it's cool, but not incredible. HOWEVER, Gilgamesh is an amazing PC and having a SSB to work him with is totally great. Also, Enkidu and Gilgy high-five each other in this attack. You just can't go wrong here. Also justifies honing Saint Cross.

Lightning's Peacemaker: Strongest AoE SSB to date and Lightning's a strong slugfester, so it works well. If Thunder-elemental damage is resisted, I can go back to Blaze Rush. Lightning's once again my top Combat PC thanks to it as well. Funnily, this is the second Light SB I get from a Soul Break celebration (I got her Blazefire from September's Soul Breakfast).

Steiner's Ultima Sword+: Workhorse SB for a Knight PC -and- a FF9 sword? Cool, I needed both of those. Banner 5 treated me kindly.

Locke's Wing Edge: What I got for aiming at Lulu's Hairpin on the SSB celebration last month. I guess it's FF6 synergy and the SB has its perks. Also sorta justifies Thief's Revenge Locke.

Quistis' Red Scorpion: Quistis sorta sucks, but the SB is incredible. It works when I want to bring a mage party with Hastega. I'll likely dump all my Record Dive fragments on her once the mechanic comes over to Global.

Edge's Murasame: This is a really fun weapon. FF4 synergy, boosts Water damage, rocks acceptable magic so it's a neat ninja weapon. Edge ain't a great PC, but the AoE stun certainly helped against FF2's Gigas Ultimate.

Irvine's Ulysses: Cool SB, solid gun, miserable PC. The works. Suppose it'll get its time to shine again when Ifrit's Fragment Dungeon is out.

Kimahri's Dusk Lance: -Really-? It's a neat weapon, but I'm certainly not fielding Kimahri just for a Magic Blink effect.

Dark Knight Cecil's Shadowblade: FF4 physical synergy+workhorse MT attack buffing for a character who badly needs utility. Overshadowed later by Ramza's Shout, but what can ya do.

Zidane's Orichalcum+: Go figure, my first SSB is one of those who don't play nicely with Shout meta. Ah well, a SSB is a SSB and Zidane will be great once his MC2 is released. It was also helpful for the few battles I had to go with only that as my main offensive SB. The knife also works as one of my top stat sticks.

Rinoa's Rising Sun: 100-gem draw from Laguna's first banner. Seriously? I guess it solidifies my mage equips on FF8 and I have to admit perfect MT slow has seen a lot of use since I got it.

Mog's Holy Lance++: Getting this to 5++ was my -other- reward from chasing Lulu's Hairpin. The weapon is currently great FF6 synergy and the SB served me well before Shout, but retirement's the breaks with Shout Meta.

Kefka's Lamia's Flute: Kefka's a fun PC and the SB made him even moreso. I love the laugh. Too bad he won't see the light of day for months from now on, but it was entertaining while it lasted.

Amarant's Scissor Fangs: Well, it's my best fist-type equipment. The SB's frankly outdated and Amarant ain't great, but oh well.

Rikku's Guardian Targe+: So many poor design decisions in this SB (non-stacking multiple stat buffs? Check. Last shield with no offensive boosts? Check), but it's kinda neat anyway. Rikku's an awkward PC, but I guess HyperNulAl may tide me over on Cid's Missions later on.

Tellah's Polymorph Rod: Workhorse stat stick, having both Mag and Mind in equal measures is great. Nothing else, though.

Y'shtola's Thyrus: We all know the stories here. Wall is amazing.

Rinoa's Valkyrie: MVP of the Nightmare Ultima Buster fight. Otherwise, just there, picked it from the Beginner's Banner.

Squall's Shear Trigger+: Collateral damage from Thyrus in December's SSB fest. Very adequate stat stick, if nothing else, and I used Squall here and there for the burst damage. It's no SSB, but oh well.

Vanille's Wyrmfang+: Well, the crazy kiwi is my third Medica slinger. Rather functional and I like the Wyrmfang as a stat stick. I bring her to fights now and then.

Yuna's Magistral Rod: You came around four months too late. At least it's a FF10 stat stick.

Reno's Telescopic Baton: Neat FF7 stat stick (I slap it on Gilgamesh for physicals in FF7 events, it's great), but the SB and Reno are both underwhelming. Oh well.

Tidus' Lightning Steel: FF10 stat stick with Lightning boosting. Will likely be fun on FF10 dungeons with Crushing Blow.

Yuna's Lullaby Rod: Hymn of the Fayth was a gamechanger. Still a great SB, even if Relm's about to obsolete it.

Eiko's Golem's Flute++: My first ++ weapon and my first Medica. Great SB too, hard to say no to healing and Hastega in a single move. It also has the added perk of making my Ramza Shout RW kinda monstrous, he'll sport over 300 MND once I'm done levelling him.

Snow's Wild Bear: How often I use Snow's SB: I forgot about this until I went back to my equipment list. Yeah, decent enough armor, but single-hit first-wave SB was a waste of time even when I got this back in Hope's release event, let alone -now-.

Tidus' Brotherhood: Lucky Draw stat stick. Nothing else, really.

Rydia's Ice Whip: Nice stat stick for Rydia, really. Too bad it's so limited for people who can equip it, but them's the breaks.

Sazh's Boon: Good times when I had all Hastega relics in the game. Regardless, Boon was one of the big gamechangers back in the pre-SSB days and remained a top contender until uh Mighty Guard 8. Still nice to have and tided me over in many a fight.

Cyan's Kotetsu: The SB's more or less useless, but this was my only Katana for ages. Nice stat stick.

Lightning's Blazefire Saber: My top sword for fucking -months-, made Lightning my premier offensive physical unit for months in a row. Fond memories for this one.

Golbez' Rune Axe: My very second mage weapon, made Golbez my top mage for a couple months in spite of lower MAG than Vivi. Single-handedly gave me his event in a silver platter.

Wakka's Official Ball+: Got this trying for Yuna's Magistral Rod when it first came around. Can't say I had the worst end of the deal, Status Reels was quite a nice SB back in the days. Obsolete, but I still use the ball as a niche equip in FF10 dungeons.

Red XIII's Diamond Pin+: So yeah, I've had Hastega in the game since it was first made available. Red XIII sadly was an awkward PC for months (bad equipment options, no Memory Crystal for ages), but still made worlds of difference when needed.

Vivi's Oak Staff: My very first 5*. Fond memories, it was the best mage stat stick for ages in a row back in a time where getting -any- 5* magic equip was crazy times and magic was at the top of its damage game. I doubt I'd have started mastering events since Garnet's release if I hadn't picked this up on a cult-of-three. Obsolete, but quite nice while it lasted.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 11, 2016, 05:10:25 AM
Ah, OK, I was misremembering the topic then, my bad. Lowering the chance of Cleansing Shield and Grand Armor was a dick move. It's also easier to keep a cool head about the controversy since it affects me 0%.

Mastered U+ Bartz with Beatrix, Bartz, Zack, Tyro, and Penelo. Holy fuck that's the hardest non Ifrit fight in a long time. That motherfucker has SO MUCH DAMAGE, and his early scripted Kicks made me have to put Mako Might on Penelo just to recover immediately after my mitigation went up.

Not so bad after the first couple turns, though his BSSB that triggers midfight wrecked Zack, and I was not about to SL again so far into the battle, so I had to do the last half without Hastega. In practice, this meant only Penelo wasn't under Haste at the end, though. Whee, BSSBs.

I don't think I will be trying the Cid's Mission after all. You can keep your 2 MLOs.

If this fight is indicative of the future standard of U+ difficulty I may be really upset when I get two Gaus Helmets instead of Celes' BSSB, >_>
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 11, 2016, 12:25:30 PM
If this fight is indicative of the future standard of U+ difficulty I may be really upset when I get two Gaus Helmets instead of Celes' BSSB, >_>

*two Thief Bracers

By the way, how does Ultimate+ Ultros look like?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 11, 2016, 12:42:30 PM
If this fight is indicative of the future standard of U+ difficulty I may be really upset when I get two Gaus Helmets instead of Celes' BSSB, >_>

*two Thief Bracers

You shut your whore mouth.

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By the way, how does Ultimate+ Ultros look like?

Haven't looked yet, probably will either Wednesday or this weekend.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 11, 2016, 01:32:39 PM
You know you're in the dregs of things to do when you're running the Mondaily. Case in point: my life currently.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 11, 2016, 01:48:54 PM
There's a reason it's the last set of daily dungeons I haven't fully cleared.

Edit: 11-pull #5: Chameleon Robe and two more off-banner relics (FF5 Gold Hairpin and FF7 Basilisk Claw). Back to the mines, I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 11, 2016, 02:04:53 PM
Your reports tell me I should just save the Mythril from the dailies reset for the FF12 banner instead of risking another shot at an Agrias relic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 11, 2016, 02:07:29 PM
Indeed. The only justification for this is the ~25/day I'm getting from grinding story dungeons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 11, 2016, 02:11:21 PM
It'll be over by Saturday, at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 11, 2016, 02:13:29 PM
To be fair, while I'm not terribly happy with defender. It wrecked the bonus battles of tactics. Damn near 33k damage turn.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 11, 2016, 02:32:35 PM
Say hi to SSBs under synergy. Lightning's Crushing Blow with Platinum Sword just swept Velius under the rug.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on April 11, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
Another FFT 11 pull, another Kaiser Shield.

It's great to have super Agrias but... I'm pretty much gonna use Ramza no matter what, ANY Ramza SB pls *tear*

Plus side, almost certainly will snag enough mythril in the next week for another so that's a possibility.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 11, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
I just gave up on having an Agrias relic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on April 11, 2016, 07:18:24 PM
When you've got native trinity and multiple physical SSBs, what else are you really saving mythril for if not a favorite character?  I wants Ramza SB dammit!

hashtagwearetheonepercent
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 11, 2016, 08:27:59 PM
When you've got native trinity and multiple physical SSBs, what else are you really saving mythril for if not a favorite character?  I wants Ramza SB dammit!

hashtagwearetheonepercent

Well, for starters, my synergy in FF12 is lacking and I could do with some more old-school ranged relics (i.e. bows) and I have no character SBs for that game either. Then, there's the fact I could use a Faithga and my FF7 synergy oddly could be better, so Vincent's first banner starts looking awfully attractive under that light... and then, there's Selphie's SSB coming back just around the corner and - yeah you get my drift. Granted, all of those just boil down to QoL variety and the fact my actual favorite character won't get a SSB until like June. So uh yeah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 12, 2016, 02:12:58 AM
Now that Relm's SSB is out, should I switch my RW over to SS2? Princess's Favor is strictly outclassed by Portrait of Lakshmi now, but SS2/SG is probably the single most common RW and I'm not sure how many people are actually going to draw for Relm.

Probably won't make a big difference either way, but if anyone I'm mutually following right now has a preference I'll go for it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 12, 2016, 02:51:37 AM
Dropped 15 Mithril on FFT Banner, got garbage.

Dropped 100 Gems on Relm's Banner, got a 5*! ...in the FF6 Golden Shield.  Yeah, I'll take that extra Rosetta Stone.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 12, 2016, 03:20:58 AM
I got an Oath Veil! Because I can have as many relics as I want as long as they're generic, apparently.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 12, 2016, 03:22:12 AM
Now that Relm's SSB is out, should I switch my RW over to SS2? Princess's Favor is strictly outclassed by Portrait of Lakshmi now, but SS2/SG is probably the single most common RW and I'm not sure how many people are actually going to draw for Relm.

Probably won't make a big difference either way, but if anyone I'm mutually following right now has a preference I'll go for it.

I'd prefer SS2 personally.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 12, 2016, 06:02:56 AM
Yeah SS2 may be super common but for people without a mative wall it is basically the default RW.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 12, 2016, 10:53:16 AM
I had a bunch of unfinished regular dungeons. Then I got Shout and the anniversary ended and suddenly I'm a lot more hyped to run the regular content. Now I have finally unlocked 8 hours of sleep (hashtag 160 stamina club!).

Running Relm's event, did just enough of it to unlock Relm and her MC so I can use her in Tuesdaily to start getting levels. Flower of Trabia is probably now my single most used RM outside of the SB gauge up ones. It's surprisingly competent at damage for mobs AND contributes to Elite bosses. Probably not helpful against the Ultimate fights, but otherwise solid if there's any trash to clear at all and I don't have room for Diaga.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 12, 2016, 11:57:47 AM
I am sad I didn't hear this song until this evening, as it would have been really really appropriate for last weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhCO_5U2rNI
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2016, 01:43:10 PM
Saint Cross is horrifying against the myriad Holy-weak enemies in Relm's event. Ultimate Chadarnook's gonna be fun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 12, 2016, 01:46:32 PM
I'm so glad it has zero orb overlap with FB. Gonna R2 both as soon as humanly possible.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2016, 01:52:03 PM
I think I can R3 Saint Cross as of now with some orb conversion fuckery, but I want to save orbs for R2ing Break Fever, which should land next week.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2016, 02:10:21 PM
Now that Relm's SSB is out, should I switch my RW over to SS2? Princess's Favor is strictly outclassed by Portrait of Lakshmi now, but SS2/SG is probably the single most common RW and I'm not sure how many people are actually going to draw for Relm.

Probably won't make a big difference either way, but if anyone I'm mutually following right now has a preference I'll go for it.

Realistically, SSII, mostly because I don't always feel like lugging Y'shtola around.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 12, 2016, 03:15:06 PM
Whee, got Terra's Enfire SSB on my 11 pull for the FF6 event. I am pretty dang happy about that, actually. I guess this also means I have to craft Meltdown now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2016, 03:24:06 PM
dammit i was actually hoping for those two thief bracers damn ye successful waifu pulls

EDIT: Welp, honed Full Break to R3 and Armor Breakdown to R4 because hell why not. Not like I couldn't use a spammier Ramza.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 12, 2016, 04:00:17 PM
What's break fever?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2016, 04:02:41 PM
5* Dancer ability, essentially AoE Full Break that doesn't deal damage. Uses Major Whites, Holies and Darks, will be a prize on Vincent's event next week.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 12, 2016, 04:08:16 PM
If I don't get Platinum Sword, it makes a quite nice consolation prize for keeping Mog in my party.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2016, 04:29:34 PM
Yeah, and 5* Dancer is a really rare skillset. Only Mog, Penelo, Loserface and eventually Cait Sith (and Echo, whom we may not get in Global) get it. Faris will be able to get it through Record Dive, but we know the drill there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 12, 2016, 05:20:08 PM
The latest jp Ultimate boss's HP is so low it I half expect DeNA goofed up. 120k?

Even with some adds that's still a joke.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 12, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
Exdeath Grand Cross: still humiliating some bosses to this day (Chadarnook and Holy Dragon this time).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2016, 05:30:49 PM
The latest jp Ultimate boss's HP is so low it I half expect DeNA goofed up. 120k?

Even with some adds that's still a joke.

I suspect they'll soon add a new boss difficulty, given how MC3s should be coming in May. Then, there's the fact the multiplayer closed beta begins tomorrow.

And, in all fairness, Hidon was always a chump.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 12, 2016, 09:36:01 PM
There's a big gap between "chump" and "has less HP than the ++ boss in the same event".
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2016, 09:45:40 PM
What the hell, DeNA.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 13, 2016, 09:49:30 AM
Eh, he's kinda a glass cannon boss. If you don't go in with Wall you're looking at 600+ damage a hit from 5 targets, often MT. Wall trivializes him but nothing new there. That said yeah no HP whatsoever to speak of.

In other news, the free relics from the Beginner Banner 2 were listed. Notably, Lunatic High, Tailwind, HOTF, Arc's Healing + MDEF up, and Evil Princess Sara's ATK/DEF+30% SBs are all on there for the taking. I'm kinda torn between Tailwind and Lunatic High. Tailwind makes Ramza useful again, but Lunatic High is a Hastega on a character whose skillset synergizes with my B/SSBs better than Zack's does. Mrph. There's also another hastega (Leila's Boon clone) but FF2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 13, 2016, 02:15:22 PM
You get three pulls and three relics on that banner, so the choices aren't so stringent. You can have both eventually.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 13, 2016, 03:01:10 PM
HOLY SHIT THE BATTLE ON THE BIG BRIDGE NEW YEAR'S COUNTDOWN EVENT IS COMING TO US EARLY MAY

GILGAMESH HYPE NEVERENDING
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 13, 2016, 03:32:17 PM
Ugh stop making new content FFRK, I have other games I'd rather play.  So yeah I'm doing fucking gil dailies even though I have more money than Gates.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 13, 2016, 03:43:46 PM
HOLY SHIT THE BATTLE ON THE BIG BRIDGE NEW YEAR'S COUNTDOWN EVENT IS COMING TO US EARLY MAY

GILGAMESH HYPE NEVERENDING

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Also in addition to the free mythril from the refreshed dailies there's three new Cid missions that reward a mythril each for clearing 1, 5 and 10 of them, and apparently the mythril in the greens shop rotates weekly? Yay, stuff.

Edit: Holy crap, according to dataminers on the subreddit they boosted 5* pull rates above JP's. That....well, I'm not the only person wishing I hadn't blown through all those 11-pulls quite so quickly, I think. But it's good for the future!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 13, 2016, 04:35:08 PM
That was -not- the response I expected to the FFT banner drama.

EDIT: Since they rolled out the Summon buff update, I honed Alexander to R5 and crafted and honed Bahamut to R2. This still leaves me with enough Major Darks to hone Multibreak to R2 next week, so we're good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on April 13, 2016, 07:32:47 PM
I'm a little mad because I did two pulls yesterday, but not mad enough to care.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 13, 2016, 08:34:47 PM
it seems most likely to be an actual mistake. People have been reporting the rates on VALIANT KNIFE going through the roof of all things, which points to some unintended futzing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 13, 2016, 08:47:08 PM
Apparently, there's a phenomenon that a lot of people on both the FFT Banner and FF6 one are pulling Locke's Valiant Knife, an offbanner SSB Item (and a good one at that!)  It's believed that the extra increased rate was shoved entirely to Valiant Knife, intentionally or otherwise, on these banners since that's the only logical explanation for why so many people are getting a specific Off-Banner 5* on the same banner...

...so naturally, I decide to play my chances with 2 3 Pulls on the FFT Banner since I only got N-Kai Armlets.  First one got me a 10* total pull...so basically it was ass.  The second got me a 5*, but it wasn't the Valiant Knife...

...it was the Platinum Sword.


Uh, yeah, see, I still REALLY want to do Mage Meta, but it's kind of hard to justify it when I have a natural Shouter as well.  More to the point, HOLY CRAP I HAVE THE FULL TRINITY!!  I think I might be set for like...ever...

Granted, I COULD use more Physical Soul Breaks...or a natural Faithga if I want to stubbornly stick to Mage Meta (which I might do anyway, so I'm going to want Kefka's Mantle or Edea's Crown), but still, I finally got Hastega.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 13, 2016, 08:58:15 PM
I can hear Zenny howling while he sleeps from here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 13, 2016, 09:13:45 PM
Did 15 mythril on the tactics banner because hey free Valiant Knife...

and got a FF9 Coral Sword.  D'oh.  Oh well lightning damage boost.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on April 13, 2016, 09:35:44 PM
I might do that extra 50 after all, valiantgate lives
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 14, 2016, 01:52:13 AM
Sure, 50-pull on Tactics for Valiantgate.

Got two of Agrias' Shield. ...one of the two items that had their drop rates lowered compared to JP.

No Valiant Knife :(

But yay! I now have a Relic for both Tactics PCs! Tacticsalldayerraday~

Now I wish I had upgraded Saint Cross more than Thief's Raid. (Both are at R2 instead of getting one to R3...)

Didn't think I'd have a reason to run -two- Knights (Cecil's SSB and Agrias's Agriasness), but it looks like Saint Cross is pretty much always going to have room in my A-team parties. If I could have gotten that Valiant Knife, then I'd have more reason to run Thief's Raid.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 14, 2016, 02:08:47 AM
Both are still useful even at only R2. Get a Lifesiphon up to R5 to use in conjunction with SC and you'll have enough charges to make it through most U+ content.

Debating spending my next 15 mythril trying for Celes's BSSB again. Stackable 20% buff to both offensive stats is just too good to not try for, especially now that I know I have a guaranteed hastega on a support character waiting for me in the form of Lunatic High.

There's also not a time limit on that freebie banner, so it's nit like I'm in a hurry, either.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on April 14, 2016, 02:31:16 AM
djinn used the name valiantgate so i had to go in

(http://i.imgur.com/UcCXbfdl.jpg)

that's not a valiant knife
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 14, 2016, 02:35:33 AM
How disappointing.  ;D
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 14, 2016, 02:40:10 AM
Both are still useful even at only R2. Get a Lifesiphon up to R5 to use in conjunction with SC and you'll have enough charges to make it through most U+ content.

Debating spending my next 15 mythril trying for Celes's BSSB again. Stackable 20% buff to both offensive stats is just too good to not try for, especially now that I know I have a guaranteed hastega on a support character waiting for me in the form of Lunatic High.

There's also not a time limit on that freebie banner, so it's nit like I'm in a hurry, either.

It's 30%, so it's actually better than you thought!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 14, 2016, 03:37:01 AM
Well, fuck
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 14, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
Decided to do an 11-pull on the Relm 1 banner, because Shadow's SSB, Edgar's Drill, and the rumors of the Valiant Knife going about.

Got two Thief Bracers, Celes's Rune Sword, and Relm's Chocobo Brush.

Considering this gave me everything BUT what I wanted on the banner, I'm not sure how to feel.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 14, 2016, 01:59:06 PM
At least Relm's SSB is basically Hymn of the Fayth+, having the same side effect but being Curaga-level instead of Cura level.  The rest...yeah, hard to be excited about that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 14, 2016, 05:31:30 PM
My first 11-pull after the rate buff was a complete strikeout. Not just no relics, but  not even anything worth combining. Oy. At least that one would be a shitty draw on any banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 14, 2016, 05:53:35 PM
Broken hearts everywhere.

EDIT: The rates on the new ++ dailies are actually pretty similar to orbfest rates. I've gotten an average of 3 Greaters per run and I've got three majors since yesterday - and that's considering all the stamina wasted on the lower-end dailies for Mythril. Another nice consolation is I'll have over 100 mythrils for pulling on Basch's first banner. I suppose FF7 pulls can wait until Cait Sith's banner, where I'll have another shot at Vincent's gun and no risk of pulling a second Reno weapon besides husbando Cait Sith time-wasting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 14, 2016, 08:02:20 PM
Debating if I want to do a real pull on Relm's Banner because of the Valiant Knife situation; it's a Celebration ONly relic that's an SSB, and I'm kind of starved on physical SSBs (I have Auron's and that's it!), so a potential of that OR Shadow's would be nice.  Not gonna try for FFT again because, well, I got the Platinum Sword, going to fallaciously assume that's a problem.

Two things making me "err" on this:
-I have Edgar's Drill already.  Granted, unlike Darts, a Drill+ would be useful since it's a weapon class people actually use.
-Celes' Rune Blade is a very "meh" Soul Break
-While it would be an upgrade from HotF, I'm not exactly starving for a Heavy Regen Medica.  Granted, it's hard to complain about Curaga Level healing.

Any thoughts?  Worth noting that my FF6 synergy, not shockingly, is not what I'd call "Lacking" by any stretch.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 14, 2016, 08:06:56 PM
I'd at least wait on banner 2 to see if the futz carries over, since that has more overall desirable relics and all (Celes SSB is amazing, combining Maduin's Horn > combining Drills and FF6 rods are pretty desirable in general, Relm's Cat Hood is an amazing stat stick for your mages, Kefka's Mantle would be a great addition to your composition. Only dud there would be the Wing Edge). Then, I'd make a decision either way. Of course, if Banner 2 doesn't get Valiant Knives, it likely doesn't -matter-.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 14, 2016, 09:51:01 PM
FF10-2 Event decides to give Braska an MT Mag+30% Soul Break w/ Heavy Regen and Casting Time down...

Between this, Celes' BSB and Krile's SSB, looks like DeNA is finally bothering to recognize Mages legitimately so, and stopped pretending that "Casting Time Down!" is enough to acknowledge them.  Gonna say this now but Quina's new SB a events back infuriated me because "Mages need a lot of help...so let's make another HotE Clone to stack with Scream!"

Also seems the first of these multi-hit Black Magic spells is going to be Ice-elemental.  I'd assume Freeze but people are claiming it's like Dual Blizzaga or some such (...I would assume Blizzaga anyway, since Blizzaga x2 is about even with Flare, which makes it appropriate for a Stage 5 spell); ah well, it's just nice they're adding these in faster rather than saying "yeah they'll happen" then sit on their asses twiddling their thumbs.  This, as well as the addition of Meltdown (and it not sucking), combined with what I said above...yeah, I think it's safe to say DeNA finally woke up to the issue Mages were having, and is addressing it, rather than, as I said "nah, all they need is casting time down, that'll show we care!"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 14, 2016, 10:12:34 PM
They're likely gaining momentum to make the pendulum swing back to mage meta, since the softcap increase gave mages amazing theoretic potential, but they lacked the tools to really make it shine. Between the continuously increasing gamut of mage En-element SBs, the new and improved Faithga buffs, new skills and Celes' BSB, they'll soon become the rich man's method of choice, as hinode said on Reddit, to pull off shiny numbers once more after months of physical supremacy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 15, 2016, 02:15:51 AM
*100-gem on Relm banner 2.* Ho-hum, lemme pick my 3* - *EXCALIBUR.*

WHAT THE HELL
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 15, 2016, 04:24:07 AM
The worst part of this earthquake is I lost 340+ stamina because I had to conserve battery power for stupid things like emergencies and contacting work. #thecaseforstandaloneportablegamesystems

Anyway, that Braska SB and the fact that I reaaaaally could use some FFX synergy make me wanna pull on that banner instead, depending on the consulation prizes. We'll see though, the FF6 fanboyism is strong
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 15, 2016, 01:02:51 PM
Good to know you're okay, at least.

Bonus battles utterly trampled. Celes' Indomitable Blade is obscenely good: not only it has the best mult of any of my SBs, its Runic effect is really useful on these battles. Shuts downs Ultros 1's counters, trivializes Wrexsoul and even works nicely on Chadarnook Ultimate (it shuts down her Drain counters, for starters). I just wish Celes got Combat 4, but her SSB brought a really welcome change for my setups. Too bad it also essentially forced me to hone the other -ga Strikes. I'd actually consider Flare Strike now, but don't have the Major Powers to even craft it. I'll think about Tornado Strike, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 15, 2016, 06:12:02 PM
Haven't touched the Relm Bonus fights yet because dailies for mithril etc, depending on whether I get enough greens for a stamina shard refill after I finish those, I may start today or tomorrow. 

Still debating if I want to do a pull on Relm Banner 2 beyond the 100 Gem PUll (which got me...a 3* Piece of crap!)

On a different note, Chaincasting/Multicasting/Dualcasting/BLIZZAGA THAT HITS TWICE WHAT THE HELL JUST CALL IT FREEZE THIS NAME IS STUPID...

...*AHEM*  apparently has the power of literally 2 Blizzaga spells being cast in a row, so 5.9x2, or 11.8x damage.  Flare is 12x damage, so it's basically a slightly weaker Flare that has double the potential, and all the potential Ice Elemental Benefits (Equipment boosting, weakness, En-Ice from some (Super) Soul Breaks like Lulu and Squall)
Given that we're most likely getting Fire and Lightning variants at least, and probably a Water variant as well given Water has one of each stage as well, granted Fire isn't AS big a deal since Meltdown exists and is better, but Honing exists and 5* are merely a pain in the ass to hone while 6* seem near impossible in the current standing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 15, 2016, 06:55:01 PM
If you pull on Banner 2, keep in mind it reverted back to the old rates, no Valiant Knife. Banner 1 and Tactics remain at the upped rates.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 15, 2016, 09:04:00 PM
yeah, I know; big thing I want really is Kefka's Mantle, really, though part of what errs me is that Edea gets the same Soul Break a few events later, and I could probably use more FF8 Synergy than FF6 Synergy.

The downside?  Not convinced Edea is better than Kefka (well, I think she joins with MC2 from the outset, so there's that.)  While Edea hits harder, Kefka has better Mind (...how often do you get to say that?) and I think my best Mind Weapon is even an Instrument to boot (Eiko's SSB weapon...a 6* variant at that), so he can raise it further making Hastega's duration that much better on Kefka than Edea.  Add in access to Dancer and Bard skills, and Kefka has a lot more utility going for him.  So it's a question of do I want the Soul Break on a banner I'm more likely to pull things I could use more of, or do I want the Soul Break on a character who I can more easily fit into my team?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 15, 2016, 11:54:56 PM
Kefka's problem is mostly that the level cap really starts eating away at his usability after a certain point, though Magic Infusion may be good enough to mitigate that. SSII's enough for Y'shtola, for instance. It also sorta depends on how badly you want the stuff on Edea's second banner (for instance, I'd really like Crescent Wish there and I'd be completely okay with even the Ehrgeiz, which is my least desired relic on the banner) vs. how badly you want FF6 banner 2's consolations. Broken Chains banner 2 also has this thing about its relics being sorta weird - no swords, fairly mage and armor-centric, and with relics for underwhelming at-base PCs. Depending on how your synergy holes fare in the realm, they may not fill the niches you -want-. Relm banner 2 is a lot more straight-forward and versatile.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 16, 2016, 01:06:54 AM
Kefka's level cap is indeed a problem which I did acknowledge and the only real downside I see to using him vs. Edea.  I know Edward and later Krile just get straight upgrades to the effects (+30% instead of +20%), and Edward would even bring someone with a similar skillset, sharing Bard 5 w/ Kefka and having Support 5 to make up for lack of Dancer to some degree, so he'd still have that quirk of letting up some versatility on Tyro.  Downside of course is Edward is utterly lackluster on damage, where as Kefka can always sub-in for 3rd offensive spell-caster, ESPECIALLY after Memento Mori and Dark Zone drop, which not only are good moves but also means he has options that won't compete directly with Terra and Lulu (though Terra being able to use Summons now means she can probably work around that, and if I get her BSB, I'll probably give her Wrath)

That said, looking at Edea's Banner, yeah the only thing I'd want is Selphie's Crescent Wish...well, and Rinoa's Party Dress since I believe that's the only way we can get Cloud in a dress, and really isn't that what is important (En-Earth isn't exactly easy to take advantage of before Meltdown, won't go into details)?  Otherwise, it's a Zell Relic and well, Zell = Cares, and I already have Seifer's Coat.   Pinwheel I guess would be nice if I ever field two of Hope, Rinoa and Edea at the same time, but I really don't see that happening (I have Rinoa's Rising Sun remember)

Flipside...yeah, thinking the FF6 Banner is better now that I weigh all this.  Only real advantage is the whole MC2 thing Edea has, so yeah, I guess I'll do a draw on this banner in hopes of Kefka's mantle.  Also Oath Veil could be nice when Meltdown drops too! ...yes I keep bringing up Meltdown but really, can you blame me?  It's kind of a big deal for Mage Meta given how much of an upgrade it is over the rest of Black Magic!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 16, 2016, 01:45:31 AM
SO I broke down and decided to whale with several pulls, and I feel idiotic about that, but shh!  Anyway, here are my results:

Wing Edge x2
Cat-Ear Hood x4
Oath Veil
Excalibur
Thief's Bracer (I already had a + version of this)

So...on one hand, this seems to say it wants me to use Mages because look at all those Magic Hoods! Then it goes and gives me my 2nd physical SSB.  Add in that I already have Maduin's Horn, I pretty much got everything BUT the one Item I actually wanted on this banner.

Basically, I still lack a Faithga outside of Focus.  Guess I'll just rely on RW's to pull that off until a later date *sigh*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 16, 2016, 06:12:06 AM
Excaliburs for everyone!

Well, except Magic, but he got Exdeath's version of Grand Runic already.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 16, 2016, 06:40:54 AM
Bonus fights beaten.

The Boss Rush was Locke, Celes, Relm, Ramza and Edgar.  The first 4 are there because learning Soul Breaks and work in the context anyway, Edgar there because, well, why not?  I was originally going to use him for Blind Shot on Ultros 1 except Relm w/ Mako's Might covered that well enough...whatever, DRILL!

Wrexsoul, I had both Carbuncle and Celes' SSB, do you really think he stood a chance?

Hidon...I replaced Edgar w/ Auron, Tauntaliated him, watched him explode.

Chadarnook, decided to try some Mage Meta...I said 'some' so my team is:

Tyro: Excalibur (VI), Genji Helm (VI), Aries Gem, Banishing Strike R4, Saint's Cross R2, Dr. Mog's Teachings
-Sentinel Grimoire, as usual.  Tyro also fulfills the role of hitting Holy damage all over the place.  This means he can freely act regardless of what form Chadarnook is in, and get weakness to build up gauge quickly for re-establishing Sentinel Grimoire.

Yuna: Wizard Staff (VII), Priest's Miter, New Beginning's Sphere, Diaga R2, Curaja R4, Ace Striker
-My Best Medica user still, Diaga is on there to allow Tyro to hurt the Demon Form, and be a 2nd person who can knock him out of Goddess form.  I was gambling not having Mako's Might on her, hoping she could get gauge up quick enough AND I didn't have room for Shellga

Terra: Chain Flail (VI), Cat-Ear Hood++, Crystal Orb, Bahamut R2, Firaga R5, Devotion
-If Terra's set seems weird, it's because originally I was going to have her use Diara to set up for Yuna to have Shellga, but elected to go a different direction.  between the Chain Flail + Cat-Ear Hood's Synergy, with buffs, she was doing adequate damage despite using Firaga.  I'd have used Waterja but apparently he immunes it.  On hindsight, should have used Comet since it's slightly stronger but whatever.  Bahamut of course was a nice 2 shot nuke whose damage was invisible thanks to how the damage display was happening behind the animation (I caught a glimpse of it and pretty sure there was a 9 in the thousands digit, so about 18k?)

Lulu: Maduin's Horn, Cat-Ear Hood, Terra's Pendant, R4 Firaja, R2 Meteor, Mako's Might
-Focus should work as a supplement for lacking Shellga I felt, and I wanted damage up quickly for her and Terra, hence the usage there.  The twinking of Magic here over Terra is because, well, see the point about Terra running Diara initially.  Anyway, Lulu's straight forward, not going into details!

Ramza: Platinum Sword, Thief's Bracer++, Vossler's Gauntlet, Magic Breakdown R4, Mana's Paean R3, Knight's Charge
-Ramza there to hit the magic Breakdown condition (on hindsight, could have used Terra for that too, probably better I didn't), Mana's Paean to supplement the lack of Faithga, and he has Shout to fire off Hastega, while also boosting his own damage (which is fairly minor) and Tyro's (which is actually pretty darn good.)  He's alternating between all that stuff.

RW: Stardust Ray.  It was the first Shellga RW that popped up and I wasn't going to be picky; any of the better ones like Boon, or Mighty Guard would be nice, sure, but I had Hastega and Heavy Regen as is, so it wasn't a big deal.

I had two S/Ls.  First one was because I didn't quite get fight down, hit him in Goddess form, everyone but Terra was asleep, and yeah, things kind of went downhill.  Second was a result of bad RNG and him smacking me before mitigation could be appropriately applied, etc.

Winning run?  Lost only one medal on damage.  Things went over pretty well, though I am kicking myself for not holding off on Magitek Missiles a bit, to let Mana's Paean and Focus be re-establishing, making it only do 19k instead of something significantly higher!  Ah well, it all worked out.

Also he dropped a Major Fire orb, I can't complain!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 16, 2016, 10:47:35 AM
[03:50] <MagicFanatic> ...And there's Hunter's RM2.
[04:07] <MagicFanatic> And Gladiator's RM2!
[04:09] <MagicFanatic> ...And Garnet's RM3.
[04:14] <MagicFanatic> ...And Gordon's RM2.
[04:15] <MagicFanatic> ...And Ingus's RM2.
[04:17] * ashley has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
[04:20] <MagicFanatic> And there's the end of my luck.  Did a 11-pull with Mithril, got 34 stars worth of stuff.

But you know what?  Not complaining.  I got enough niche-filling with the relics I have now, and getting 5 RMs within a half hour of grinding is still amazing luck.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 16, 2016, 06:41:44 PM
Two 3-pulls gave me two 4* items useful for combining but no relics. 73 pulls on this banner and two SB items,  with zero FFT weapons. So the bonus battles are going to be FUN. Already missed mastery on Wiegraf,  and I'm torn between moving on to the ultimate or trying again with a hastega RW and more hones.

Edit: replacing SG with Shout got me an easy perfect run. So yeah,  that at least makes me feel better about chasing it even though the game decided to hate me.

Edit 2: Velius mastered! Hahahahahaha suck it game. Had to S/L a lot thanks to Cyclops spam in the weak phase (and all the enemies deciding to focus down Agrias in the first two turns a few times, assholes), but eventually I got lucky enough for him not to use it three straight times while I unloaded a shit-ton of SBs onto him. Mog died but I still got full medals for actions.

(Strategy: Open with Shout and Shellga, immediately followed by Cleansing Strike on Velius and Faithful Companion to knock the Archaeodemons down to 1/3 health. That's enough for single-target attacks to take them down before they do anything super-threatening, and then I can smack Velius around with abilities until he hits weakness, at which point I (a) renew Shout and (b) hope I built enough SB to spam Crushing Blow, FC and CS while (c) also hoping he doesn't decide to just murder me with Cyclops, which is brutal even with stacking breaks and shellga. Eventually it worked!)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 17, 2016, 12:02:33 AM
Welcome to the big boy's league, Shale. It's a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on April 17, 2016, 12:10:47 AM
Mastered Chadarnook, Garnet/Terra/Sephiroth/Ramza/Penelo are gonna carry me for a while

I might sub in SSB Red XIII for ff7 though, instead of Ramza
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 17, 2016, 01:22:42 AM
Also mastered Weigraf and Velius.  Decided to try Shout RW instead of SG.  First run, Velius casts in order:  Titan, Titan, Clops, Clops.  That did not end well.  Second run all he used was Rich, so that was easy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 17, 2016, 03:51:20 AM
I have so much FF6 gear... Chadarnook was going down certainly, but I brought a sub-par team because I wanted to get them some EXP.

Team was Celes w/ Excalibur and Diara; Relm w/ Healing and Diaga; Terra w/ her SSB and Magic BD; Ramza and Agrias w/ Knight holy skills. Brought RW SG.

What I did not bring was a Medica. (Oh god stop casting Thundaga constantly!)

Nor enough non-physical physical damage. (Yes, I'm gonna wreck this demon- What no! WHY ARE YOU SUDDENLY THE GODDESS AGAIN... EVERYONE'S ASLEEEEEEEEEP!)

Also, native Wall would have made the fight a whole smoother, I should have subbed Y'shtola in for Relm. (Okay, sure, everyone was asleep but they woke up pretty quickly, just power through it... OH GOD I'M OUT OF RW CHARGES!!!!)

But thanks to Excalibur+Ace Striker+Shout, I pulled through it anyway by the skin of my teeth. (I think Relm and Terra literally had 1 HP each...)

If you haven't taken a shot at Chaddy yet, I highly recommend using Mage Meta if that is at all possible for you. Trying to time your damage not to hit Goddess-form is a pain in the ass with huge penalties for messing up and I doubt anyone apart from Meeple has as much FF6 synergy as me to allow them to power through such a mistake...

Get turpentined, asshole! That useless Memento Pendant is MINE!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 18, 2016, 03:05:57 AM
U+ Ultros was easy. Best him twice, though I didn't need to apparently since I got Mastery on my Cids Mission team. Party was

L77 Setzer, Power/Magic BDs
L80 Terra, Blizzaja/Firaja, Dualcast Black
L76 Celes, Saints Cross/Blizzaga Sword
L77 Mog, Shellga/Curaja, Mako Might
L80 Relm, Protectga/Curaja, Dualcast WM
Stoneraskin RW

Couple tweaks, I should have put Devotion on Terra instead. Her damage vs. Weakness was fine but in his last phases she really needed to be under Enfire to pump out anything noteworthy.

Mog is still really good. Celes' upgrade to Knight 5 makes her really good. Terra's SSB makes her pretty godly. Setzer… could debuff. Relm was another heal battery.

Ultros' only threatening move is his ITD Stone Drop, which wrecked Zach in my first go since I didn't have Penelo's medica up, but with two WMs and Sun Bath's heavy regen it wasn't actually an issue my second time around.

The difference in difficulty between U+ Bartz and U+ Ultros is night and Day. Silly DeNA.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 18, 2016, 03:37:15 AM
If you haven't taken a shot at Chaddy yet, I highly recommend using Mage Meta if that is at all possible for you.

Mage meta is actually quite difficult on Chadarnook due to Demon form absorbing all but Holy and Fire. She also has specific Black Magic counters in addition to the Drain counters and, to make things more problematic, her RES is quite high (1700?). The only thing you have to watch out physically is shutting off the physical immunity at the start of the fight and pay attention to the five-turn countdown until reverting. Which entirely goes away -anyway- once Chadarnook goes below 50% HP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 18, 2016, 06:46:39 AM
Did another couple 15 pulls on the Celes BSSB banner. Got garbage, then 2 5*s. One was a Butterfly Edge (7; time to turn the Gold Sword into a rosetta stone) and the other was Relm's Brush. Could be better gameplay-wise, honestly, Relm's HP is garbage (though admittedly the same as Aeris'), but I like the character well enough and I guess if I need a healer-summoner I know where to go now.

Could be worse, at least. I could be compelled to use Gau. Hahahah ew.

That makes my 3rd Medica SSB, and all three of them rods. Do they even have staves anymore? I've never gotten a single staff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 18, 2016, 12:20:26 PM
Man, Chocobo Brush is really good and should be unquestionably your best Medica. Relm can replace Aerith in your party no sweat. I mean, Penelo actually makes a case, since Dancer 5, but a high regen Medica was amazing since Hymn of the Fayth and Relm's is that, but -improved-.

EDIT: Regarding staves: the last one I remember showing up on Global was Penelo's Judicer Staff. On JP, last notable staff to show up was... Lenna's Mace of Zeus, her official SSB (Logres stuff has been all but retconned at this point). They're quite rare, though it mostly -doesn't matter-, since the only healer who couldn't equip rods I can think of was Rosa and they fixed that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 18, 2016, 02:53:08 PM
I think Shantotto's SSB is a staff too.  Generally speaking though, yeah, staves are rare these days and they just make Black/White Rods.  I remarked on this earlier really; Aerith's Wizard Staff which is a White Mage stick is still somehow considered a rod.  Vivi's Oak Staff too, but at least that one has the stats of a Rod so it makes sense.  Go figure, Garnet's Storm Staff is a Black Stick, and she was a character in FF9 who used only Rods (and Rackets!), yet they made it a staff.

It makes the inability to use staves a pretty minor downside for the few Black Mages who can't really.  Go figure, Rinoa's Record Dive has "can equip staves" on it which would be a perk she finally has on Terra (who gets no such benefit) but given how rare Staves are these days, it'll really only come up in a situation like...well...mind, where in I have Garnet's Storm Staff and it's my only FF9 5* Black Stick.

...this topic made me go through the list of relics, Global and JP, and see how many 5* Staves there are, both in-name and in actuality.

In Name Staves (aka "these are actually rods but their name has "Staff" in it):
Flame Staff (FF1)
Ice Staff (FF3)
Full Metal Staff (FF7)
Striking Staff (FF7)
Wizard Staff (FF7
Prism Staff (FF7)
Oak Staff (FF9)

...interestingly, of the FF7 weapons, I think only the Striking Staff was called by that name in FF7 proper.  I believe everything else was called Rod in FF7, which given Aerith's weapon design, seems to make more sense.  This could explain why FF7 has so many "in-name only" staves begging the question why they didn't just re-translate them as rods.


ACTUAL Staves:
Rune Staff  (Core)
Healing Staff (FF1)
Healing Staff (FF2)
Holy Wand (FF3)
Elder Staff (FF3)
Healing Staff (FF4)
Seraphim Staff (FF4)
Healing Staff (FF5)
Judgment Staff (FF5)
Sage's Staff (FF5)
Power Staff (FF5)
Protector of Life (FF5)
Mace of Zeus (FF5)
Storm Staff (FF9)
Ice Staff (FF9)

Mage's Staff (FF9)
Braska's Rod (FF10)
Jupiter Staff (FF11)

Musk Stick (FF12)
Judicier's Staff (FF12)
Physician's Staff (FF12)
Thyrus (FF14)
White Staff (FFT)
Healing Staff (FFT)

So there's basically one "in-name only" Rod on there in Braska's Rod.  Most Staves are White Mage sticks. 

Adding to that, the "Black Sticks" on the Staff list are the bolded weapons.  That's a total of 4 and of them, one of them is from FF11, which is a realm that basically lacks any meaningful content.  To be fair, a number of those Staves do have 100+ Magic, so it's competent w/ Synergy for a Black Mage and can help in that regard.  Generally speaking, there's a lot more 5* Rods, and a lot more White Sticks in that list as well.  It begs the question of why staves even still exist at this point other than to be a mild restriction on a handful of Black Mages.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 18, 2016, 06:53:20 PM
Current priorities: sweeping dailies for their remaining first-time rewards and Mythril. Vincent's event will go live tonight, but it's likely I won't bother with it until Wednesday at the earliest, must farm Gysahl Greens at double rate.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 18, 2016, 08:27:23 PM
So funny thing happened to my friend.

I work with a buddy who also plays rk.

He was hounding me last week about both of us doing one more pull during the fft event.

I pretty much flat out said no, but he couldn't resist. So he prayed to his fictitious gods and pressed the button.

He got a notification the date had changed. We tried pulling right at 9:00am.

No biggie he thinks. Except all his mitral is gone.

Befuddled he looks around sees that he has new item in his inventory.

Only one 5 star.

Valiant knife.

Rk strikes again.

I couldn't help but laugh at his pain, even though that's not a horrible consolation prize.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 18, 2016, 08:38:32 PM
RNGesus gives and takes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 19, 2016, 01:24:22 AM
Chadarnook's Goddess form will not counter -Holy elemental- physical damage, so Magic Breakdown/Full Break are the only things you have to take care about using, and only for a small portion of the fight. I had Banishing Strike and Saint Cross split across two separate PCs, plus ~7000 damage Diagas from Lenna, so Goddess form went away before it could do anything the two times it showed up in the fight.

Quote
...interestingly, of the FF7 weapons, I think only the Striking Staff was called by that name in FF7 proper.  I believe everything else was called Rod in FF7, which given Aerith's weapon design, seems to make more sense.  This could explain why FF7 has so many "in-name only" staves begging the question why they didn't just re-translate them as rods.

According to FFWiki (http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_VII_weapons#Aeris.27s_Staves) literally all of Aeris' weapons were rods in Japanese, usually the English word written in katakana.

As for retranslating, DeNA for some reason insists on keeping faithful to every single detail of the original FF7 localization except Aeris/Aerith; they even kept the Touph Ring typo intact. Meanwhile they refuse to use Ultros even though fans actually care about how his name is localized.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 19, 2016, 02:05:39 AM
Completely unrelated but the FFRK subreddit drama from the past few days is an unexpected hilarious trainwreck to see go up in flames. Are all subreddits like this? I try to avoid Reddit if at all possible but it's the only reliable place for FFRK info at the moment.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 19, 2016, 03:20:32 AM
From what I understand, it has something to do with Mod transparency and yeah I avoid all topics like that.  I also avoided all "Controversy" topics that weren't obviously parodies (The video with the Spanish Guy with fake subs was fine because hey, satire, for example), because those were just incessant bitching (down to people saying "THE VALIANT KNIFE IS A REAL KICK IN THE BALLS!" for example), it just shows insufferable a lot of people on that reddit really are.

There are a few people on there I still respect.  ShinVerus, for example, has been kicked in the balls by the RNG time and time again, throwing something like over 1000 mythril trying to get ONE of Terra's relics and failed every time, and he's managed to stay even headed, so I have respect for him, but that's a rare example.


That said, regarding the FF7 thing...that really does upset me that they think people care about the name of FF7 weapons (save for Touph Ring) but can't be bothered to actually translate it as "Ultros" despite how this is the common modern translation of the name and this is what the fanbase knows him as.  DeNA, just because it's FF7 doesn't much people suddenly care more about everything from it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 19, 2016, 05:11:20 AM
Completely unrelated but the FFRK subreddit drama from the past few days is an unexpected hilarious trainwreck to see go up in flames. Are all subreddits like this? I try to avoid Reddit if at all possible but it's the only reliable place for FFRK info at the moment.

You say that like the DL hasn't had mod/admin drama before.

Got another 15 mythril thanks to the spring campaign's free 5 mythril and did a 3 pull on the Rikku BSSB banner, kinda hoping for Paine's SSB since Hastega on a Steiner clone.

I got Kimarhi's SSB.

This is what I get for not being content with Relm's brush, eh.

Is this to be my penance? An SSB for someone with Combat4/Dragoon5 and nothing else of import?

What Am I to be… CHOPP LIVRR?????????
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 19, 2016, 05:28:13 AM
Mondailies stop making me pay attention.  I just want to autobattle shit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 19, 2016, 05:11:15 PM
Completely unrelated but the FFRK subreddit drama from the past few days is an unexpected hilarious trainwreck to see go up in flames. Are all subreddits like this? I try to avoid Reddit if at all possible but it's the only reliable place for FFRK info at the moment.

You say that like the DL hasn't had mod/admin drama before.

Got another 15 mythril thanks to the spring campaign's free 5 mythril and did a 3 pull on the Rikku BSSB banner, kinda hoping for Paine's SSB since Hastega on a Steiner clone.

I got Kimarhi's SSB.

This is what I get for not being content with Relm's brush, eh.

Is this to be my penance? An SSB for someone with Combat4/Dragoon5 and nothing else of import?

What Am I to be… CHOPP LIVRR?????????

inb4 hornless reddit memes
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 19, 2016, 06:07:42 PM
Did two 11-pulls on the Vincent Banner 1 because I could've used any one of the three Mage Weapons there, with the real prize being the Protectga Bracer.

Pull 1: Two Sephiroth's Coats and a Rosetta Stone (my Fourth Zack's Gloves)
Pull 2: Completely wrect.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 19, 2016, 07:27:04 PM
Git gud n00b nuggets.

This game needs a trading system.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 19, 2016, 08:06:46 PM
That's not how freemium economy works.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 19, 2016, 09:38:50 PM
100 Gem pull on Vincent Banner 1 and I got...

...a piece of crap 3*.  Well, that was anticlimactic.

On a different note, mostly taking advantage of Gyshal Greens stuff, not doing anything but the 90 Stamina Runs and doing the rest of the dungeons once the campaign ends to maximize it.  In particular, I'm already noticing that the 4* Orb drop rate from random enemies is a hell of a lot higher in the ++ than it was in the + variant.   Between that, the fact that enemies seem to always drop something (my experience is if they don't drop an orb, they often drop greens), and you 4 more Orbs total per completion and 200 more Greens (before campaign bonus), which is about on par with another 20 stamina stage run right there, feels safe to say that yeah, the ++ Runs are worth doing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 19, 2016, 09:49:32 PM
TuesMondailies stop making me pay attention.  I just want to autobattle shit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 20, 2016, 01:38:58 AM
Three single pulls because I like Yuffie. Got Vincent's SSB instead...

Guess Yuna has a nice gun for when I want her to play summoner!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 01:44:56 AM
Speaking of which, decided to do a 50-mythril pull because I decided I like this banner's content enough to warrant it. End result: a Gold Bangle and Yuffie's Pinwheel. I'll take it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 03:42:13 AM
Vinny's not a half bad mage after he gets his buff in the Cait Sith event, so it could be worse, DJ.

Speaking of, farming Wednesdaily with Kimarhi and resenting every minute of it. It could be worse, I guess, it does have Magic Blink after all. If nothing else, Kimarhi, Exdeath, and Shitbrat on a team could potentially shut down Black Magic pretty soundly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 04:58:25 AM
On Global, Vincent starts with the buffs, so yeah, he's actually worth considering in general.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 07:32:45 AM
3rd Fragment Dungeon out, this time FFX's Magus Sisters. And with it, returns Ifrit, and the FF13 fragment dungeon. Good to know I won't ever not have Ifrit lording itself over my like a fat piece of garbage I can't beat

no seriously though I may try to Magic Blink cheese my way through, that's looking like a valid strategy, if I can't get my previous rely-heavily-on-Beatrix strat to work out for me
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 20, 2016, 10:55:34 AM
I'm still struggling with U+ bosses a lot on JP... do I have any chance st beating this Ifrit? It's one stamina, so I gave it a shot last time it was up but didn't really have time to spend on it and after him basically one-rounding me, I was like "Fuck it, I've got important story dungeons and events to do."

But now I wanna try it since I think I've probably got the right tools for it with Celes' Grand Runic, Wall, Shout, HotF, and Tidus' Enwater BSB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 11:17:05 AM
Vincent boss rush: in which Yuffie's Bloodfest outdamages Gilgamesh's Faithful Companion due to sporting over double the hits in spite of a lower overall mult.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 11:37:45 AM
oh shit we talkin gameplay in jp here i am all over this shit

I have no idea how you're struggling with U+ content with both Shout and SG, HotF, and a BSSB (even if it is Tidus's... excuse me, Tiida's. Haha what a stupid name for a stupid schmuck). I'm not even saying this to be insulting, I literally don't understand where you're falling flat. Granted, U+ Bartz was kiiiiiinda insanely difficult, and I had Bartz's BSB and great 5 synergy, so maybe I can see that. I know you're considering your Global account your main, so do you just have really bad hones or something?

As for Ifrit, bring a spellbladers with Blizzaga/Blizzara strikes, Ramza on Shout/Breakdown duty, Tyro and Yuna on Heal/SG duty, and if you can hone it to R4 and have a L80 monk, bring the monk's ITD attack for your fifth and you should be able to pull it out. The Monk skill is especially good here, L80 Jecht was cranking out 6-7k damage a hit after boosting with that, and a 4++ FF8 dagger. This exact setup almost worked perfectly for me, but not having a native Wall OR Shout meant I couldn't quite pull it out. You're well equipped enough that this should not be an issue, barring your hones being terrible.

He doesn't have any water weakness (ice only), so Tiida's BSB won't really be that useful aside from burst damage, and you'd frankly get more out of bringing, say, Squall with two Blizzara/ga strikes even if you don't have a relic for them.

One thing I've realized, especially in this fight since Ifrit's defenses are so insane, is that the Damage +20% record materiae are leagues ahead of the ATK+10%/ATK+20% ones, so a diversity of good weapons here with the relevant RMs will help too.

You may want to go back and look at my most recent attempt at offing him like a month ago? The Beatrix tank build won't help you, but the one I was trying with Jecht should flesh out more of what I'm talking about in this post.

EDIT: What do you have in the way of FF8 synergy? If you have good mage equipment for the realm, one thought would be to have Rinoa's BSB as your RW (since you have the native trinity) since it's all ice elemental attacks. I think Lulu's new SSB also has En-freeze, alternately. If not, I'd recommend actually bringing in another shout, so you can have Ramza do both Power and Magic Breakdowns, and have Ace Striker as his RM. SG and Ace Striker on Tyro is another viable option, and in that case I would prioritize Magic BD/Indoor Spell over MBD/PBD.

In addition to 8 synergy, aside from the trinity, what SSBs or recently-released SBs do you have? If you list those out I can probably tell you what team I'd use.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 20, 2016, 11:56:24 AM
Yeah, you nailed it, my JP hones are pretty shit. I have like none of the 4-star magics honed (I have an R3 Firaja, R3 Ruinga, and R2 Quake).

My FF8 Synergy is Quistis' new SSB whip (Cerberus), and Rinoa's Enearth SB Dress (Brothers). And a Cowboy hat. That is literally it. Not for lack of trying either.

My other relevant SBs...

Yuffie's insta-heal medica headband
Fran's Overmist SSB (Full Breakdown + damage)
Jecht Beam (3-hits and Party ATK-up mid)
Papilymo's SSB rod (FF14, I haven't even mastered it because my BLM hones are so shit I can't use mages)
Tyro's BSB
Ramza's %Medica + Protect (Yell/Tailwind)
Basch's Gold Axe SB (Sentinel + Def UP IIRC?)
Aerith's Reraise Medica
Bartz's Enwind SB cape
Delita's Maximillion armor SB
Edge's Double Sword SB and Kaen SSB (Fire-elemental so useless here)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 20, 2016, 12:03:36 PM
Can't edit my post for some reason, so double-post:

My RMs are pretty lacking too. Lots of L1 characters, I basically didn't use anyone who I didn't have a relic for. Exceptions: Gilgamesh, Terra, Vivi, Selphie, Ricard, Josef, Porom, Relm

So yeah, missing most of the DMG+20% RMs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 12:33:23 PM
hmmm ok that's gonna maybe make this impossible. Even with great B/S/SBs not having hones for this fight in particular is.. sketchy. Not having a wide selection of RMs also helps (#iamthe1percent)... Still, worth a shot. If nothing else it's a challenge. I don't recall offhand what a lot of those soul breaks actually do, so I'm mostly ignoring the ones you didn't list explanations for at the moment. Some questions:

Having Yuffie's heal ability makes her viable, but if I remember correctly after mathing that out you need some reaaaaally high MAG to make Ninja skills even remotely viable.  Tyro's BSSB also means you will maybe want to have a Wall RW so you can wall up and use his BSSB for Shellga/Protectga, freeing up two of your skill slots... if you can make use of them, that is.

What do you have Magic Breakdown, Power Breakdown, Curaja, Lifesiphon, and Blizzaga Strike honed to? If Blizzaga Strike is R3 or less, how about Blizzara Strike? Do you have more than one Curaja and Indoor Spell? If you only have 1 Curaja, do you have Curaga as well, at least?

What level is Jecht? If you can get him to L80 over the next Sundaily, what could you hone the monk ITD skill to if you spent all of your materials on that? Additionally, twink him for ATK under 8 synergy and tell me how high you can get dat numbah. If you did use him, I would be sparing with his SB and only use it to cover holes in when Shout's up, but even then this fight is literally the entirety of that monk skill's niche so it's worth considering bringing him in.

What level is Shitbrat, and what are his ATK/MAG/MND with Quistis' whip equipped? You're probably gonna want him using his BSB attacks, Life Siphon, and Curaga/ja, but on the off chance he has acceptable ATK the monk skill (ffs what is this called in Global? I'm going to refer to it a lot I feel) may be viable on him.

MAG on Yuna under synergy, and Shiva/Valefor/Maduin hones if any?

Offhand, I'd probably say your best bet is Jecht/Bartz/Ramza/Tyro/Yuna but tbh without the hones....
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 20, 2016, 12:55:05 PM
Magic BD 6 uses
Power BD 4 uses
Steal Power 4 uses
Lifesiphon - 8 uses, 6 uses, 6 uses
Curaja - lol
Curaga - 10 uses, 10 uses
Therapy Cure - 10 uses
Blizzaga Strike - lol
Blizzara Strike - 8 uses

Summons - lol, but I think I might have enough to make and hone Shiva to >R2?

Jecht - Level 67, can egg him to 80-ish
Squall - Level 1 (Celes and Bartz are my Spellblades)

Also, Yuffie's usefulness is in Dancer4/Celerity/Thief5, not Ninja...

IIRC, the 4* Monk skill is called Piercing Blow? Piercing Strike? Piercing Pierce.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 01:28:03 PM
Also, Yuffie's usefulness is in Dancer4/Celerity/Thief5, not Ninja...

Not here it isn't. Ifrit's defenses are stupid so Ninja/Piercing Pierce are actually useful here. Celerity is useless here and Thief isn't gonna cut it without something substantial to back it up. Still, Ninja's kinda too gimped altogether and so it was kind of a throw away idea. Also, mind, Jecht will only be useful if and only if you can get a decently honed Piercing Pierce.

Mmm wow this is a headache but at least you can cover your debuffs well. Blaaaaaah I don't know if 8 strikes of Blizzaga strike and 20 lifesiphons are gonna be enough tbh. I had minimum R4 on all of my skills and was running out of charges by the end. You're probably fucked on this file. At least you'll beat him in Global?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 02:00:22 PM
Tangentially, list of the relics available on JP's most recent Lucky Draw: https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/4fm06j/jp_break_banner_lucky_draw_relic_list/

This one is a lot more focused than the usual deal. The shiny/booby trap ratio is really good and even the duds actually aren't -so- bad - no shit like Vanille's Deprotega rod or Wakka's Official Ball on the list. Also no chance at getting stuck with FUCKING CYCLONE GRIMOIRE.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 02:06:12 PM
That's actually a pretty good list. Offhand the worst weapon I could draw would be... a 3rd Yoshimitsu? And that'd at least give me a 7* relic. Worth the 25 mythril, more than the other lucky draws anyway. If I pull on that, though, that'll almost certainly be my last draw before vacation (assuming I can get out of this god-forsaken prefecture... earthquakes are slated to continue all weekend :/). Hopefully nothing cool comes up during, cuz I don't intend to play except to speed through events when I get access to wifi.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 02:28:37 PM
Also, new shinies in our Gysahl Greens shop! Another Mythril and a Major Power, Non-Elemental and Wind Orb. Back to slaving at the mines now that I'm done with the main course on Vincent's event. Yuffie being a relevant offensive force is so fucking weird. I may take her for the Ultimate, since I could use some AoE dancing shenanigans in that fight. Good thing I already honed all the 4* dances to R3 (and Multibreak to R2, but Yuffie doesn't have Dancer 4 so it's moot. Just you wait when Cait Sith arrives, though).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 02:47:47 PM
Oooh, wait, you guys are doing Rufus/Doggie for the Ultimate event right? That's a pretty fun fight.

Snow, do it hard mode. No (native) Shout, No (native) Wall, No useful MT skills.  If I can do it, then you can do it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 02:53:23 PM
Editing's weird right now.

https://ffrk.jp/cpn/romasaga2/

Can y'all do me a favor and go vote for not-Kain here? Not that it's gonna make a difference probably (jfc 20k votes fuck you jp) but ffs why do they want to give kain a sb
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 03:30:32 PM
Oooh, wait, you guys are doing Rufus/Doggie for the Ultimate event right? That's a pretty fun fight.

Snow, do it hard mode. No (native) Shout, No (native) Wall, No useful MT skills.  If I can do it, then you can do it.

Looking at your setup, I think I can do something along these lines:

Squall/Tidus: Pound/whatever, Lifesiphon
Vanille: Curaja, Protectga
Yuffie: Stumble Step, Tempo Flurry/Dismissal (Assuming Dances are free reign, since your own setup had them)
Steiner: Banishing Strike, Lifesiphon/Saint Cross
Mog: Multibreak, Curaga/Curaise

Lightning and Gilgamesh are obviously out due to AoE SSBs, as is Zidane. No offensive mages either, since I have two 5* synergy rods and overkill AoE mage hones. Vanille has Oerba's Boon, all of the offensive SBs involved are 5.1 mult and below.

RW could be either SG or HotE.

Pretty sure I could whip something functional out of this, will let you know tomorrow, when the battles arrive.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 03:53:42 PM
Yes, Dances are fine. I believe I also had Zack's Glove at that point so I technically did have MT damage SBs but come on, you're better than that. That said your setup as posted looks pretty dang legit. I look forward to the results.

(side note, I just realized Mareizu (Maraise) is probably supposed to be Maruchi-Reizu (Multi-Raise) since it has multiple functions, raising and curing. Curaise still manages to be a better name if that is in fact the logic behind it and that is sad)

ghost edit: forums stop crapping out pls
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 03:56:47 PM
actual edit: with that setup you're almost certainly going to need SG as your RW. Whats-his-fucks' Mako Shotgun is stupid damage but isn't ITD so there you go.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 04:02:12 PM
Likely, but at least HotE has a stacking +50% def boost, which is what made me consider it. Though I guess lack of Hastega makes it too risky. I considered picking up Red XIII, but synergy support with Hastega honestly felt like borderline cheating and one of the key points to your struggles was not having a native Hastega source.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 04:24:33 PM
Wait, I was misreading that as HotF. Hand of the Emperor could definitely work, but is a little redundant since you're running Mog. IIRC you have sun bath? If not HotE, may actually be the better choice, come to think of it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 04:45:43 PM
The thing is: HotE and Sunbath's attack bonuses -stack-. Sunbath multiplied by Hand of the Emperor = move over, Ramza, here comes the softcap. I'll have to run some calcs later to figure out whether I can get a party-wide cap-ramming (Yuffie certainly will, since Pinwheel is good shit and she gets level synergy as well. If she wasn't running a Dance, I'd totally slot Thief's Revenge as the secondary), but I'm pretty confident in it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 20, 2016, 04:49:37 PM
Oh snap, didn't realize that. Then yeah, both are definitely valid options, depending on if you wanna go blitz lightning or safe strats. Still, if you're sticking to not having hastega, that's reaaaally risky, as you said. Bonus points if you do it with Hand, then, I guess?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 05:09:02 PM
I'll have to ponder it anyhow. One thing is that my FF7 synergy is ahead of what yours was at the time - weapons, it's pretty similar, but I have four natural 5* FF7 bangles and a natural 5* hat, for instance, which might lead to a less pressing need for defense buffing, especially since bases matter for how much your durability improves from buffs. It bears some testing regardless, and I guess stamina needs are less pressing now that a full set of bonus battles cost 61 timebux rather than 160. This should be fun.

EDIT: first run on Lightning/Wind Wednesdaily: two Greater Lightnings, three Greater Winds and a Major Wind. Where have you been all my life, my love.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 08:53:03 PM
Well, today I had one of my biggest honing sprees since... god knows. Honed all my 4* dances to R3 and Multibreak to R2, since I figure that's roughly where they need to be for a safe trudge through the fights where they'll be useful. For some reason, the game's fond of having Ice as a dance component: I had over 100 Greater Ices and now I'm clocking in at 19. At least, I'm roughly set anyway. I wish I had a relic for more 5* Dancer PCs, but their ilk is very rare as it stands. At least, Mog to the rescue applies, but I'm eyeing Cait Sith as a long-term party member more and more intently now. Good growths, bulky 4* White Magic user and even an offensive option on Summon 4*. He's pretty much an improved Mog.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 20, 2016, 09:16:46 PM
I'm getting good Greater drops from the ++ dungeons, but I've yet to see a Major orb or a single Greens drop in one. Also, I tried Chardarnook but failed to bring any physical mitigation at all so that didn't exactly go well. Next time, painting!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 09:21:12 PM
Just don't forget Chadarnook immunes Lightning, which makes Crushing Blow a poor choice. You can just field Cloud instead, of course, but it's a bit of a bummer.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 20, 2016, 09:31:39 PM
I had Cloud in the party, but he was contributing so little damage that I'm pulling him from the next run too. I'm waffling between replacing him with Lightning equipped with the Holy Lance and a Protectga relic, or Yuffie with the Burning Fist (giving the lance to Gilgamesh). She'd be relying on Tempo Flurry and pretty much nothing else for damage since I'm nowhere near honing Thief's Revenge, but Clear Tranquil could be handy with all the AOE that gets thrown around in this fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 20, 2016, 09:37:51 PM
Clear Tranquil would be a good panic button, that may help. And hey, if she has synergy Cloud -doesn't-... Regardless, Gilgy should hold your best synergy weapon, since he has the non-resisted SSB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 20, 2016, 09:44:34 PM
Well, my best synergy weapon is the fist, but I'd rather slightly gimp Gilgy than have a party setup where nobody else is using a natural 5*.

Slightly tempted to do a 3-pull on the FF6 banner now, but given my recent history I'm sure that would go poorly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 21, 2016, 02:36:16 AM
Mastered with Lightning spamming magic break and Tempo Flurry for damage. She died to a Thundaja, but too late for it to cost me any medals. R2 Saint's Cross is super badass.

Party:

Agrias (Saint's Cross, Banishing Strike, Mako Might)
Mog (Diaga, Protectga, Attunement II)
Lightning (Magic Break, Tempo Flurry, Self-Sacrifice)
Gilgamesh (Leeching Leap, Lifesiphon, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
Lenna (Shellga, Curaga, Battleforged)

Shout RW, because Hastega is more important than extra mitigation for this fight if you have to pick one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 21, 2016, 03:32:19 AM
Mastered Chadarnook.  Another fight that's stupidly difficult when you don't have Hastega.

Mog (Curaja, Shellga, Flower of Trabia)
Locke (Steal Power, Thief's Revenge, Pride of the Red Wings)
Sabin (Lifesiphon, Exploding Fist, Fist of Dawn)
Lenna (Protectga, Holy, Mako Might)
Edgar (Magic Break, Banishing Strike, Dragoon's Determination)
SG RW

Chad is too damn fast which means he gets almost two turns to your 1.  You just have to pray that he doesn't use Flash Rain two turns in a row cause that shit hurts even with mitigation up.

Hey now I can start on Vincent event.  Maybe I'll get to farm some greens before x2 is over.  I did buy the new mythril and the Major orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 21, 2016, 12:14:56 PM
We're getting Nightmare Lucky Draws early! There's going to be one for the Combat event in a couple of days.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 21, 2016, 12:38:53 PM
Welp, there goes my Basch event pull.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 21, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
Also, while I'm trolling the subreddit, props to the guy who started his account last week and just beat Hidon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 21, 2016, 09:00:46 PM
Getting a Combat Lucky Banner that Japan didn't get is a nice surprise, I have to say.  I can probably afford that pull and a 50 pull on Vincent 2 (I want Zack's SSB because Zack) since I have just under 100 Mithril, and the entire Vincent event and a lot of dailies left unaccounted for thanks to Gyshal Greens.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 21, 2016, 11:54:02 PM
Finished Vincent event.  Pretty simple other than the mastery requirements for Turks being a s/l fest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on April 22, 2016, 02:40:43 AM
100 gems, Vincent's Coat

right on time, 100 gem pulls
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 22, 2016, 02:59:05 AM
30 mythril on banner 2:  1 four star, 5 three stars.  Hastega banners hate me so much.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 22, 2016, 03:52:16 AM
Finished the Vincent event.

Ultimate fights were both jokes with a mainly physical team.  Bartz's Excalibur made Rufus cry bucket for a good long while and Gilgamesh existing made Hojo question his life decisions.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 22, 2016, 05:09:29 AM
Well, for starters, to Zenny: that no-native Shout/Wall setup was a bust. I'll have to try it later at some point with different characters, but without sources of reliable stun or Haste, it becomes a complete S/L fest. Though part of the problem was just not having enough offense. I'll leave this to Monday, since I don't care about Fire/Earth even when it gives doubled Greens. Maybe Shout will end up being the better option for a RW, though, honestly, Mog and Squall felt like the weak links: AoE breaks actually -aren't- useful on Rufus, Dark Nation has no offense to speak of. I might've been better off with a Support and Haste on Mog rather than Multibreak. Will tinker with setups later, though.

This said, to blow off steam, I took a Ramza/offense Yuna/Lightning/Gilgamesh/Vanille team to obliterate Ultimate Rufus and full-medaled. I took a SSII RW, blew over half of -Rufus'- health before he fired off his first Mako Cannon. And that was that. Dealing over 10k damage to Dark Nation with Alexander was also cathartic.

Then, there's Ultimate+ Hojo. For it, I went slightly more gimmicky: Lightning with the usual, healer Yuna, Celes with Blizzaja/Dispel for medal conditions and Reno's Telescopic Baton for non-complete failure damage from Indomitable Blade, Ramza and Drawtaliate Gilgamesh. And holy -crap-, did Gilgy and Celes trivialize the hell out of him. Uber Runic completely shuts down Hojo's magical status game, which he -loves- to spam in the first half of the fight. Gilgamesh shuts down the rest of the offense until Hojo's at death's door. For over half the fight, the only thing that even deals damage is Rampage, and that's just sad. When he dropped Blind Gas, Lightning had three full SB bars and Gilgamesh had two, so all that was left was to shove a few SSBs down his throat. Full medals ahoy.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on April 22, 2016, 08:16:26 AM
I have a Katana, two swords, and a rod in natural FFVII five stars, plus the Dragon Armlet.  Not terrible but not "sleep through battle" like my "entire team is kitted out in natural 5 star synergy" against Chadarnook.

Rufus-

Oh god everything hurts.  But Master'd.

Sephiroth (Indoorspell/Flashing Blade, Black Materia)
Agrias (Saint's Cross/Banishing Blade, Cleansing Strike)
Tyro (Protectga/Curaja, SG)
Locke (Dismissal/Thief's Treasure Hunter's Raid, Valiant Strike)
Ramza (Power Breakdown/Fullbreak, raw sex appeal)
RW: Shout

By "everything hurts" I mean "this battle ended with everyone but Locke dead and him spamming TR because somehow I hadn't used it in the fight to the point everything died".  I'd dropped an SG immediately before Tyro was knocked down so Locke just straight outslugged Rufus' last few HP thanks to the draining.  Guess it's good I honed the damn thing to R2.

Hojo-

Sephiroth (as above)
Agrias (swapped Banishing Blade for Drain Strike)
Tyro (as above)
Gilgamesh (Drawtaliate)
Exdeath (Waterga/dispel, Grand Cross)
RW: Shout

Won on this setup, first attempt was slightly different.  I wasn't sure if hitting him with Dispel AFTER using Banishing Blade would negate the medal condition, and I'd started the battle all guns blazing so Agrias was out of Saint's Cross by the time that happened.  Lost a turn or two ATB skipping.  And since I'd shoved him into weak phase so fast his first Bio Gas hit while SG was down and I wasn't quite able to recover, although with Gilgamesh still taunting Sephiroth was able to lop another 100k or so off him.  Just wasn't enough.  Drawing out the first phase another couple turns, which works when you've got Grand Cross, was the only necessary change.  Lost just one medal, on actions because that's just how Drawtaliate works.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 22, 2016, 06:30:19 PM
Four ++ runs. 13 Greater Orbs, a Major Orb and counting. I don't think I can ever return to the + dailies.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 22, 2016, 06:50:18 PM
Someday I'll see a major drop from one of these things. Is it Magic Pots only? Do you have to do a special dance first?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 22, 2016, 08:06:32 PM
Magic Pots only in the case of dailies. Absurdly rare in +, considerably more common in ++.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 22, 2016, 08:14:55 PM
Wasted 180 stamina, but Rufus was 0 medal lost mastered.

Eat shut n die loser boy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 22, 2016, 08:27:43 PM
I've seen a ton of Magic Pots since ++ dailies started, but their chance to drop a major orb must be really goddamn low.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 22, 2016, 08:55:11 PM
I think it's like 5% odds of a Major from a + Magic Pot. At that range, RNG can really be finicky as fuck. I usually averaged one major -per week-. Reddit, with a bunch of catalogued runs through ++ dailies, pegged a preliminary 13~% chance of a Major from Magic Pots, but I'm not sure how comprehensive that is, since it comes from about a week of sample data from just a couple testers, which still has room for growth.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 22, 2016, 11:37:52 PM
So does banishing blade count for dispel?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 23, 2016, 12:21:46 AM
On Ultimate+ Hojo? No. You have to use the 3* White Magic spell.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on April 23, 2016, 12:31:08 AM
I'm pretty hot under the collar for the prospect of ++ Orbfests.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 23, 2016, 12:53:59 AM
I don't think Orbfests ever get a ++ dungeon, they just raise the rates on the +s instead. Which is a winning deal in terms of farming.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on April 23, 2016, 02:04:19 AM
This is acceptable to this President of These Great United States of America.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 23, 2016, 04:24:17 AM
Pulled on the debuff lucky banner. Got 2 rainbows, Fran's ATK / MAG down bow and my third Yoshimitsu. Best Lucky Draw banner ever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 23, 2016, 05:42:17 AM
My Lucky Draw was full-silver...

*sigh*... but I suppose regression to the mean had to happen sometime...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 23, 2016, 03:40:36 PM
Cleared out the FF8 event up to the +++ battle, nothing to report there really.

As of this Lucky Draw I realize now that I have the potential for a really absurd debuff game. Thancred's hits ATK and DEF, Fran's ATK and MAG, Delita's DEF and RES, and the common SB on the Evoker Horn hits MAG and RES, not even counting Tyro's BSSB debuffs (not sure if they stack with Fran and Delita's, wouldn't be surprised if they didn't). I think I'll send team based around that out to deal with my uncleared Elites on Monday, and see just how debuffed I can get some of the bosses.

Also, since Ifrit will inevitably be coming up again next month, I'm not even gonna bother trying right now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 23, 2016, 03:56:24 PM
Rule of thumb for debuff abilities: if they have different IDs, they stack. So, Fran's Shatterheart stacks with Full Break -and- Power and Magic Breakdowns, but not with Loserface's ATK+MAG debuff. Delita's stacks with Full Break and Armor/Mental Breakdown, not with Tyro's Def+RES debuff. Thancred's only hits Def, so it doesn't stack with Armor Breakdown, but I think it's superior to Armor Breakdown (-50%, lasts 25s instead of 15s), Evoker's Horn is only Mental -Break- and doesn't stack with Mental Breakdown, so you're better off lugging Mental Breakdown if you have the ability slots handy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 23, 2016, 06:04:02 PM
Oh, blah, I was misreading Thancred's and the Evoker's horn. It was stating that it was a physical/magical attack, not that it lowered the offensive stats as well. Waaaay less good than I was hoping but meh who brings Armor/Mental Breakdown and takes up a valuable skill slot anyway? That's almost never the best option available.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 24, 2016, 02:15:28 AM
Combat Lucky Draw: one five-star.

It's Bartz' Excalibur. Welcome back to the team, you lucky motherfucker.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 24, 2016, 02:36:27 AM
Combat Lucky Draw: one five-star.

It's Cloud's 1st Fusion Sword. Welcome back to the team, you lucky motherfucker.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 24, 2016, 02:38:22 AM
*comes into topic, immediately gets depressed again*

http://imgur.com/4h9uNeK

Probably still beats the last ~595 mythril I spent, despite the Josef rickrolling. Also my FF2 synergy now consists of 2 5*s, 1 4*++ dagger, and 1 4*+ sword, which more than my 4, 8, and 9 synergy combined.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 24, 2016, 02:39:34 AM
Wait... the Burst SB? You fucking asshole.  >:(

I got... another Agrias Shield and Auron's Shimmering katana... Which I was happy about but... damn...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 24, 2016, 02:51:32 AM
I got!...  Four 4*s, 7 3*s.

Nothing of real note, then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 24, 2016, 03:01:20 AM
Three five stars. Sabin's Dragon Claws, Squall's Shear Trigger, and Galuf's Thor Hammer. Nobody's breaking into my A team with these, but it's three characters I had no SBs for, and two realms I needed better synergy in. Plus, two new boostgas give me extra flexibility.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on April 24, 2016, 04:03:48 AM
One rainbow, Beatrix's Save the Queen.  I was already solid on FFIX but it's certainly well above average among the available draws.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 24, 2016, 04:27:32 AM
*Thinks back to every lucky draw he ever did.*

Sephiroth's Masamune (Old when I got it)
Minwu's robe (ew)
Irvine's Valiant (...)
Locke's Winged Edge
Jack Shit
Thancred's Yoshimitsu/Fran's Killer Bow

*Looks at Snow, Cap'n, and Cmdr's draws.*

yeah ok

For real though, this amount of luck here makes me wonder if they didn't boost drop rates for useful equipment in the global Lucky Draw compared to JP's first few. JP's current lucky draw is the only one I've had any actual luck in, come to think of it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 24, 2016, 04:44:56 AM
I think RNG just RNGs. My anniversary Lucky Draws were decent and this one was great, but I blanked three straight Lucky Draws last year. Also, you can see the seriously mixed results in Lucky Draws on Reddit as well. Of course, there's DJ, who's probably the luckiest sonuvabitch in the forums.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 24, 2016, 04:54:52 AM
tbh i don't even pretend dj is people anymore and just kinda skim his posts like meeple's
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 24, 2016, 06:14:29 AM
*comes into topic, immediately gets depressed again*

http://imgur.com/4h9uNeK

Probably still beats the last ~595 mythril I spent, despite the Josef rickrolling. Also my FF2 synergy now consists of 2 5*s, 1 4*++ dagger, and 1 4*+ sword, which more than my 4, 8, and 9 synergy combined.

At least, Kotetsu is a multi-hit SB and, honestly, isn't even much worse in effective damage than, say, Gilgy's SSB (5.12 vs. 6, both three-hit). It -does- cover something you want to a degree. Giant's Glove... yeah, I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 24, 2016, 06:25:38 AM
tbh i don't even pretend dj is people anymore and just kinda skim his posts like meeple's

That's right, I am no mere -people-, I have the luck of the gods! Though seriously, what am I gonna do with 5 Wall relics?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 24, 2016, 06:32:47 AM
Wave them in front of redditors and make fortunes in the salt industry.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on April 24, 2016, 06:49:45 AM
So...

(http://lparchive.org/Suikoden-V/Images/6-goddamn_Salt3.png)

Djinn's life?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 24, 2016, 07:01:35 AM
why not
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 24, 2016, 07:05:49 AM
This is one of the rare times the game doesn't shit on me.  I still only have 1/3rd of the trinity, and it's the weakest part (aoe heal).  Even fucking Shale is better equipped to beat Ultimates than I am at this point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 24, 2016, 10:37:31 AM
So.  Nightmare Demon Wall beaten.  While not quite an *easy* fight, it was actually pretty simple.  Used Zack/Squall/Bartz/Sephiroth/Tyro for it, with Tyro being SG/Healer.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 24, 2016, 05:24:40 PM
Nada on lucky draws.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 24, 2016, 08:16:55 PM
Got Zack's Gloves, Seifer's Hyperion, and Bartz's Air Knife.  So a consolation prize for not getting Apocalypse, a better FF8 Sword than one I already (though a worse Seifer Soul Break), and an FF5 Knife, yeah I'm fine with this.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 24, 2016, 10:30:13 PM
Rufus and Dark Nation beaten.  Used Faris SB for the mastery conditions.  Tried Shout RW but there was no way to survive Mako Cannon phase with that so went SG instead.  Not surprisingly the winning run was the only one where Rufus didn't get Hasted.  He still killed Lenna and Faris but I ended up with 1 damage medal lost and 1 death medal lost.

Then I went and soloed ++ Daily with Cloud.  That was a thing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on April 25, 2016, 12:17:50 AM
Ultimate fight was pretty rough, took me three tries to not have someone die or someone essential get their Haste dispelled by Dark Nation. On my winning run, Rufus actually killed Y'shtola with his second Mako Cannon right before she was about to refresh SS2, but he was mostly dead at that point so I decided to see if I could salvage the run. Beat him with a near dead Ramza and full health Gilgamesh (Leaching Leap ftw).

Mastery conditions for U+ were a real pain, as was needing Esuna/Blindna. First time I tried it I forgot to bring some sort of power break and thus only got completion. Finally cobbled together this team: http://imgur.com/OkCNTAg

Not exactly an ideal Shout RW team, shall we say. Terra managed 8K Waterjas with all that synergy gear but ran out of charges around the Blind Gas phase. Downgrading from Knight +30% damage and Banishing Strike to Sword +20% damage and Power Break was painful, as well. Shout ran out near the end, as did all my damaging abilities, but I squeaked out the last 5% or so with 1900 damage Retaliates.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 25, 2016, 10:00:38 AM
Selphie event Ultimates dropped. Ultimate fight is the same as the +++ fight y'all had in the Adel event a couple weeks ago, so I suspect it will fall handily to all my MT SSBs. Gonna play around with this because it should be EZ and I'm going on vacation Wednesday and won't be playing for the duration (ok except to get daily login bonuses... and to speed through the events that drop when I have wifi.......and just a liiiiiittle bit of farming maybe). Thinking of dusting off Alexander and pairing it with Beatrix's SSB just for super cheese, but eh, Beatrix/Steiner will be doing enough damage on soul breaks as it is. Basch's SSB will have some mitigation use as well thanks to Physical blink. I could also hone Sky Grinder to R2 and put Kimarhi in but I don't want to (haaaate dragoon) so I won't.

I also noticed that I could upgrade the 2x Blizzaja skill released in the Paine event immediately to R3, which is a ridiculous *21* Multiplier against weakness (10.5 w/o). That's almost as high as Meltdown under Enfire. Maybe I'll crank out an Ifrit attempt with that before I fly off, that's a ridiculous boon for that fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 25, 2016, 12:36:43 PM
Tried Ultimate Rufus again. This time, went with The following setup:

Red XIII: R4 Power Breakdown, R3 Full Break/Mako Might
Yuna: R5 Curaja, R4 Diaga, Healer's Prayer II
DK Cecil: R4 Lifesiphon, R4 Pound, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Steiner: R2 Saint Cross, R4 Banishing Strike, Zeal
Yuffie: R2 Thief's Revenge, R4 Dismissal

Sentinel's Grimoire RW.

Yeah, Hastega just made all the difference. Full medals once again, even with no AoE or SSBs, just having both Saint Cross and Thief's Revenge ensured a quick kill on Dark Nation and Cecil's +35% ATK buff was enough for damage. I'm still not entirely satisfied, though. Hastega feels like the key point once you apply the standard mitigation and the fight works in such a way that forgoing the mitigation gets you plastered unless you can blitz really well.

EDIT: Right, I also did the Combat Nightmare dungeon. Setup:

Lightning (L80): R4 Lifesiphon, R5 Tempo Flurry, Master Sniper RM
Bartz (L65): R4 Lifesiphon, R4 Blizzaga Strike, Ace Striker RM
Gilgamesh (L77): R2 Saint Cross, R4 Banishing Strike, Heroic Stance RM
Ramza (L80): R4 Power Breakdown, R3 Full Break (purely filler damage), Dr. Mog's Teachings RM
Y'shtola (L65): R5 Curaja, R2 Protectga, Mako Might RM

Vanille's Miracle Prayer RW

So yeah, the funny thing is: this setup actually wasn't that awesome for the fight! Mainly, the sole issue was the fact most of my SSBs are AoE-centric, which uh means the arms get easily 2HKOed by Crushing Blow and Faithful Companion and I'm almost inevitably seeing Nightmare Gravija (unless I was really careful with the SB order, but quite frankly, fuck that, zerg rush and Vanille SSB when that lands. I missed mastery on the first clear because of Gravija, since Demon Wall used its AoE while the finishing blows were charging and half the party got KOed. Oh well, it's just 1 stamina.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 25, 2016, 01:40:18 PM
How can you pass up all that sweet Gysahl double rate to do Nightmare content? The event ultimates I understand, time limit and all, but the Nightmare comes back even if you somehow can't finish it this week.

My grinding OCD is triggered. >:(
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 25, 2016, 01:44:22 PM
There's just not much to do with Gysahls yet and I'm going to get them on dailies anyhow. I did a refresh on Sunday to compensate to a degree, but that was mostly because I wanted to level-cap Celes and get Bartz past the L70 mark. Also, do note the campaign's already over.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 26, 2016, 02:06:11 AM
http://imgur.com/fl8Xw8I

Shiiiiiiny
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on April 26, 2016, 02:51:27 AM
Combat draw blank
11x Basch: Lohengrin

law of averages rip
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 26, 2016, 03:43:15 AM
http://imgur.com/fl8Xw8I

Shiiiiiiny

gratz on your Aegis Shield.

Did 5 mythril on Basch, got Demonsbane.  I should stop now while I'm ahead.  For FF12 I now have 4++ sword, 5* Spear, 5* magic sword, 7* gun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 26, 2016, 06:16:58 AM
Got Fran's Bow (finally a 5* bow!), Ashe's sword (yay more magic swords!), and Penelo's war dance stick (more medicas in various realms is useful!). Plus a Shellga vest and a generic sword that I already had. Now it's a 6* sword at least!

I am pretty set for FF12 synergy for a long while. And welcome to team Bunny Girl!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 26, 2016, 06:19:08 AM
Rufus and Hojo beaten on first attempts.  Rufus I full Medal'd, Hojo I lost 1 on Damage and Turns, but mastery nonetheless.

Team used:

Rufus:
Auron: Buster Sword-CC, Edencoat, Aries Gem, Mirror of Equity R3, Lifesiphon R4, Ace Striker
Tyro: Pole Axe, Holiday Mittens, Champion Belt, Multibreak R2, Banishing Strike R4, Dr Mog's Teachings
Terra: Wizard Staff, Wutai Headband, Terra's Pendant, Firaja R4, Bahamut R2, Devotion
Yuna: Lullaby Rod, Cat-ear Hood++, New Beginning's Sphere, Curaja R4, Protectga R2, Mako's Might
Zack: Zack's Gloves, Edencoat, Vossler's Gauntlets (on hindsight, Godo's Mask would have been better, but whatever), R5 Tempo Flurry, R4 Power Break
RW: Shout

Changes made for Hojo:
Auron: Silver Specs (FF5), Draw Fire R4, Retaliate R5, Dragoon's Determination
Tyro: Lifesiphon R4, Fullbreak R2
Terra: Bahamut -> Dispel R3
Yuna: New Beginning's Sphere -> Peace Ring (FF7)
Zack: Vossler's Gauntlets -> Cloud's Sunglasses
RW: Boon (probably could have picked a better one, but whatever, Hastega)

Notable Soul Breaks the above have:
Auron: Banishing Blade
Zack: Rush Assault
Terra: Magitek Missile
Yuna: Hymn of the Fayth
Tyro: Sentinel Grimoire

They have others but they either suck (Celebration Grimoire), or never saw use (Dragon Fang would be good against Rufus in theory, for example, but by the time Auron's gauge was up, Dark Nation was already too close to dead to be worth it.)

Fun fact, Terra got the finishing blow on Hojo with Magitek Missile, and he was in Pixel Rage.  We'll just assume that's Terra letting out her rage on a mad scientist for having been a lab experiment her entire life, and the only scientist in FF6's world is a half-decent human being in Cid who probably ended up dying of food poison.



ON A DIFFERENT NOTE, 100 Gem Draw got me a 5* Light Armor w/ Shellga Shared RW.   Not bad for a 100 Gem draw, frankly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 26, 2016, 10:22:23 AM
Survival Vest on a 3-pull. I've gotten worse.

EDIT: Done all the full-stage dungeons on Basch's event, waiting for timebux to refill so I can tackle the + set. What the fuck is the equip selection on Basch, good lord. That's almost as good as Gilgamesh's.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 26, 2016, 05:02:33 PM
Main course on Basch's event completed. Mateus was kinda funny in that I didn't bother with SG/SSII and all it cost me was a single damage medal. Not bringing Banishing Strike was really sloppy, though, and made the fight longer that it had to be (not that it -mattered-, with Shout and Crushing Blow, but it cost me an actions medal).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 26, 2016, 07:18:30 PM
Mastered the Demon Wall! Can't wait to have Crushdown reach a usable rank sometime in the year 2019.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 26, 2016, 08:18:25 PM
We might be able to craft it by 2017.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 27, 2016, 12:41:03 AM
So, cleared through the +++ fight just now with a silly full Synergy team.

Ashe at L62, with Synergy Bonus + Focus Magic + Devotion + 4*++ Rod + Hitting Weakness = Barely over 10K damage with Ramuh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 27, 2016, 01:51:55 AM
Smacked around Ultimate Rufus easily enough, but U+ Hojo is not happening. Don't have the hones or the magic gear for it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 27, 2016, 02:25:51 AM
Things you need for U+ Hojo:

A decent WHM with Curaga(ja)/Protectga
A Drawtaliator with a good damage SB.
Bonkers levels of ATK boosting.

U+ Hojo I'd rank as one of the easier ultimates that DeNA has put out.  Granted, NOTHING will ever be harder than Ultimate Bartandelus was at the time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 27, 2016, 02:39:16 AM
I'm 2/3 on those but without native wall/Shout/HOTE  I just don't have the offense for him. When I RW Wall I can't chip through his HP before losing it, and when I RW Shout the AOE that Gilgamesh doesn't drawtaliate is enough to wear me down. Never mind that if I want mastery I have to find room in my party comp for a black magic ability and Dispel that I just don't have.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 27, 2016, 02:50:46 AM
Hojo is less about the magic (his Res is ridiculous, you're better off spamming accumulated SBs once the Blind Gas phase kicks in) and more about the hones. With 300k HP, he's really more of a battle of attrition rather than the ugly rocket tag race that is Rufus. You can use Vivi's RM3 for the Black Magic req, but Dispel is non-negotiable.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 27, 2016, 02:55:02 AM
You don't need "Bonkers level of Attack Boosting" at all.  If you check my set up, I have no form of Boostga whatsoever.  The only damage boost I have is from Auron's SSB on occasion lowering defense (which is like +15% damage?)  Good Hones are way more important than massive attack boosting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 27, 2016, 02:56:48 AM
What kind of offensive gear and abilities/hones DO you have available?  Maybe I could craft up some strategy if I was more familiar with what you have available?

That said, you can also use Terra/Rinoa/Hope/Vanille/Some others that can't hit 80 yet for both the BLM requirement and the Dispel requirement.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 27, 2016, 03:39:32 AM
Guys. GUYS. There'll be a weekend orbfest this Friday. Get ready for farming.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 27, 2016, 04:11:13 AM
Party for the most successful (i.e. he got to his self-buffing phase) attempt:

Agrias: Saint's Cross R2, Banishing Blade R4
Lightning: Thundara Strike R4, Power Break R4
Gilgamesh: Drawtaliate R4
Mog: Protectga R2, Blizzaga R4
Lenna: Dispel, Curaga R4

I have no FF7 rods or staffs so Blizzaga does terrible damage (but it's still better than ditching Mog for a black mage who can't use boostaga) and Gil is mainly absorbing  counterattacks that can't be re-countered so he's contributing virtually no offense (but if I don't drawtaliate the counters overwhelm me). Agrias and Lightning deal decent damage but a two-person party isn't knocking down 300K health before running out of hones, even if I could somehow keep Wall up that long.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 27, 2016, 04:44:45 AM
Do you not have Diaga? That would be waaay better than Blizzaga. Alternately, give Mog Curaga (ideally a sevond Curaja but you probably don't have that) for more survivability, and ditching Gilgy for a Black Mage with WM3 (Terra, etc,) with Faith and a decently honed (R4 at least) aja spell could help eek out a win. I remember getting the clear but not mastery way back when and it was a SL fest and a half but it is possibly doable.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 27, 2016, 11:19:41 AM
I have R4 Diaga and it's part of Mog's usual loadout, but a medal condition for the fight is to hit Hojo with black magic.

(Also ditching Gilgy's drawtaliate setup means eating counterattack damage after every physical attack, and with no synergy weapons that boost MAG by even a single point relying on magic for offense would be a bad idea even if I had honed 4 star spells, which I don't. I tried bringing Vivi for one run, he did 3500 with R1 Waterja.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 27, 2016, 03:40:16 PM
Do you have any Hastegas? Doesn't have to be Shout, but if you're RWing Wall, then native Hastega could be a huge boon.



Also: Who's super-hype about 6* Relics coming to JP for Golden Week? Not -me-~
MC3s and Super-Combining weapons to +++ sounds cool though. As does farmable 6* orbs/crystals.
Ultimate++ though... I am a little worried about... >.>;; I can barely clear regular old Ultimates with my JP team...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 27, 2016, 03:53:20 PM
Nope! Spent a combined 600+ mythril on SSBFest banner 5 and FFT, got zero hastegas. Saving for Kuja banner 2 now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 28, 2016, 12:44:38 AM
Hmm... Well then the idea of tossing Vivi's RM3 on Mog and then giving Mog another Curaga/ja/raise/Therapy cure might be your best bet. There's no problem that more healing can't solve! (Except low turn count scores)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 28, 2016, 01:50:41 PM
Lost a lot of steam for this game.

Consider me burnt out.

The fact that I never get what I want hasn't helped.

I'm thinking of just logging on for daily items now.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 28, 2016, 04:04:43 PM
Good Guy DeNa, introduces Ultimate+ boss, vulnerable to Drawtaliate.

(http://i.imgur.com/2VjlZDa.jpg)

Lenna (Curaja, Esuna, Mako Might)
Cloud (Lifesiphion, Power Break, Pride of the Red Wings)
Selphie (Dispel, Protectga, whatever Vivi's RM3 is called)
Tifa (Punishing Palm, Explosive Fist, Fist of Dawn)
Gilgamesh (Retaliate, Draw Fire, Heroic Stance)
Shout RW

One reset due to exceptionally bad status effects in first phase.  Second run didn't get statused at all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 28, 2016, 04:51:50 PM
Hmm... Well then the idea of tossing Vivi's RM3 on Mog and then giving Mog another Curaga/ja/raise/Therapy cure might be your best bet. There's no problem that more healing can't solve! (Except low turn count scores)

That would require Curaja in the first place -- I haven't even made it, much less honed it, and don't have the orbs to do so now. Likewise I don't feel like grinding Baron Castle all day for Vivi's RM3 in the hopes that it might show up with enough time left for me to attempt Hojo.

Edit: I figured WTF, I'll try again, and actually made it to the second phase! (First time I tried, he cast Regen immediately after Lenna's turn and by the time I could Dispel he'd healed 30K HP. Reset.) He promptly confused Gilgamesh, causing Retaliate to lapse, and killed him with a single Combo through Protectga, Power Break, Cleansing Strike, and Draw Fire. Fuck this fight with a spiked baseball bat.

Edit 2: Yeah, even when Drawtaliate stays up it's hopeless. 2500 damage Bio Gas spam! What part of that is trivialized by nulling ST physicals, exactly?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 28, 2016, 09:27:46 PM
Drawtaliate helps the fight a lot, but it doesn't trivialize it, since he has plenty of ways around it.  Honestly, I find these "Use this strategy it works best!" is not always the greatest but rather adjust to your team.  It's possible you may not have the resources to handle U+ Hojo?  There have been fights in the past (Soul Cage ++ for example) that I just threw my arms up and said **** it to, for example, since it didn't seem particularly reasonable.  On the bright side, Hojo attempts are only 1 Stamina each so it's not like you're blowing 3 hours worth of stamina for a failed attempt.


That said, finished the FF12 Event stuff up, prepping for the bonus fights, and did the current Nightmare.  Team used for the Nightmare fight was (I'll spare you the relics since they were inconsequential):

Seifer: Launch/Boost, Pride of Red Wings RM
Edgar: Saint's Cross, Banishing Blade, Dr. Mog's Teachings RM (he has Drill, so it was an ideal opener)
Auron: Lifesiphon, Flashing Blade, Ace Striker RM (I have his SSB)
Zack: Tempo Flurry, Dismissal, Rebel Army Might RM
Tyro: Pound, Curaja, Mako's Might RM
RW: Shout

Tyro was using Locke's Wing Edge+ because of it'd rare Attack + Mind combo, so he can still do damage while having competent healing.  Seifer has Boost because I  misread the mechanics not realizing I could attack the arms at first.  This run was a success...but not a mastery since Zack and Seifer died near the end, costing me a medal.
Upon reflection, I could use Protectga, so at first I tried to work in my Keepsake Knife into the mix...until I realized that Seifer was only needing one offensive action as is, so I had a free spell slot, so I kicked Seifer out in favor of P. Cecil, gave him Protectga, and even had the added bonus of Cecil being able to use Faris' Aevis Killer+, so I just used that.  Why did I use Seifer?  Because he had Synergy, a Soul Break I could use, and Support 3 for Boost, which when I started using Shout made it pointless.
Anyway, Cecil w/ Protectga made the fight trivial so I mastered it on the 2nd attempt.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 28, 2016, 11:19:00 PM
@Shale, biggest problem I see is that you mostly have three star abilities.  I'd say forget trying to go for the Mastery and just concentrate on beating the fight.  Ditch the black magic and Dispel (you have Banishing Strike to get rid of his buff), get some more healing *or* another full time attacker.  But keep your best gear on Gilgamesh.  Once you get to his weaker phases he starts quadruple attacking frequently.  Boss was hitting itself for 16000 every time it attacked.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 29, 2016, 12:41:24 AM
My damage is pretty good after buffs - Thundara Strike hits for around 7500 thanks to the Kaiser Shield. The bigger problem is that I could be hitting for 9999x5 and it wouldn't matter once he starts using Bio Gas every turn.

(Also, what I need from the fight is holy orbs.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 29, 2016, 03:29:11 AM
Oh look, a new FF12 Banner.  Time to drop 100 Gems and get a piece of crap 3*! 
*drops the 100 Gems, gets Kageniu*

see what I mean?  Nothing use-...wait, that's Vaan's SSB weapon? HOLY CRAP!

Alternatively: That's my 2nd SSB weapon I got from a 100 Gem pull, and it was a Katana.

Needless to say, I am not upset.

Ultimates beaten for that matter.

Set Ups being posted, not bothering with listing gear unless it served a specific purpose because that's pointless:

Bergan:
Vaan: R4 Magic Breakdown, R4 Lifesiphon, Ace Striker RM
-Has his SSB, thus MT damage + Steal Power (I'm guessing it's a weaker variant akin to Zidane?)
Edgar: R4 Banishing Strike, R1 Confuse Shot, Rebel Army's Might RM
-Has Drill Soul Break
Terra: R4 Firaja, R2 Bahamut, Devotion RM
-Has Magitek Missile SSB and Trance Flood SBs.  Also was using Fire Armlet for +20% damage to Fireja
Yuna: R4 Curaja, R2 Shellga, Mako's Might RM
-Has Hymn of the Fayth SB
Tyro: R2 Multibreak, R3 Blind Shot, Dr. Mog's Teachings
-Has Sentinel Grimoire SB
RW: Holy Guardian (or whatever Garnet's SSB is)

Basically built entirely around Magic Mitigation.  Garnet's SSB RW is perfect for this fight since it's a res Up that stacks with my other Buffs and Hastega (w/ Heavy Regen as a bonus.)  Edgar chosen specifically because of his unique Machinist + Knight combo, allowing for both getting the Confuse Shot req *AND* covering the Dispel issues with Banishing Strike.  Tyro covers the other shot, and uses Multibreak because it's awesome, and fulfills a condition in case Vaan forgets to use Magic Breakdown.  Lost one Medal to damage.

Dr. Cid took a few attempts, but hey I don't care since 1 Stamina fights, so I'm actually willing to experiment.  First attempt involved me learning that not only does he Resist Thunder, but he loves to have Shell up so Terra isn't very useful.   Also he seems to like physicals.  Drop Terra, place in Auron instead with Drawtaliate, and he has *2* Soul Breaks (Dragon Fang and Banishing Blade) that can lower physical damage, that should solve that problem!  Nope, that failed miserably, let's just give Auron a bunch of AoE so I can gun down his support faster and...that actually worked!  Full Medal'd even!

Winning Team was (not going to remind you of various points:

Vaan: R4 Lifesiphon, R2 Thief's Raid, Ace Striker RM
Edgar: R4 Banishing Strike, R2 Saint's Cross, Rebel Army's Might RM
Auron: R3 Fire Blossom, R1 Flashing Blade, Dragoon's Determination RM
Yuna: R2 Proctega, R4 Curaja, Mako's Might RM
Tyro: R2 Multibreak, R5 Tempo Flurry, Dr. Mog's teachings RM
RW: Shout

Shout obviously played a huge role, but whoever recommended to NOT bother with the rooks needs to be punched.  Taking them down just makes the fight easier since you're not worried about buffs.  Edgar used mostly because Drill is a nice soul break here, and you need Banishing Strike anyway; Saint's Cross is ideal.  I could have used Ramza for a natural Shouter, but then I couldn't Saint's Cross, which was doing 20k so yeah.  Auron ran out of ammo near the end, but wasn't a big deal since Banishing Blade w/ Shout was like 20k damage and the finishing blow.  Vaan's SSB covered the basic attack lowernig Mitigation and given his build, I was able to keep it activated consistently.

So...onto plot content until Orbfest drops tomorrow then!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on April 29, 2016, 03:49:04 AM
Dr. Cid: AKA All Banish Raid all the time. My first run ran me out of charges much faster than I anticipated, so I finally dropped some of the Orbs I'd been hoarding since Orbfest and got Banishing Blade up to R4. Basically, just spam Holy elemental stuff directly at Cid and ignore his adds and he won't suddenly switch into "instantly MT wipe your party" mode. Saints Cross, Banishing Blade, Diaga, Dispel did all the heavy lifting, with some Ramza support.

R4 Banishing Blade was barely enough for this fight, damn... Squeaked by thanks to SB spam at the end.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 29, 2016, 04:23:16 AM
Over here, I ended Cidolfus with a few BS charges left, though I also kept a few charges of Saint Cross at the ready. This set of bonus battles I did pretty sloppily (forgot to bring Dispel to undo Bergan's Auto Protect and Shell, forgot that Cid and the Rooks resist Lightning) and all I lost was a medal on Bergan. I didn't even bother running Y'shtola due to Shout being so danged overpowering, just RW that shit. At this pace, I may just start running Ultimates without Wall period.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on April 29, 2016, 05:19:43 AM
Wow Mateus was the hardest +++ fight we've had in a long time.  Not used to having to prepare for those.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 29, 2016, 07:04:54 PM
The sum of Mateus' conditions and the AoE emphasis with four individually dangerous targets usually spells trouble. A Crushing Blow RW works well for dispatching the Azers, but having to sleep one of them can be a pain in the ass.

Tangentially, I love farming Fridays. Tends to concentrate my best RNG, folds to my best synergy and I'm always looking for more Dark and Holy orbs. I'm saving all my remaining stamina for the day for the sake of the incoming orb rush, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 30, 2016, 12:57:04 AM
Is it just me, or did U+Cid's most dangerous stuff just flat-out ignore defense?

That said, Mastered U+ with 17/18 medals, losing only one for actions taken.

Squall L80 - Drain Strike R3/Armor Break R4 - Blasting Zone - Dragoon's Determination
Bartz L77 - Lifesiphon R4/Power Break R4 - Trueblade of Legend - Ace Striker
Ramza L65 - Full Break R2/Banishing Strike R4 - Shout - Dr. Mog's Teachings
Sephiroth R78 - Yukikaze R4/Darkmoon R3 - Black Materia - Battleforged
Y'shtola L65 - Curaja R4/Dispel R3 - Stoneskin 2 - Mako Might
RW: Fenrir Overdrive

First things first.  Weak link of this party: Sephiroth.  He's good normally, but MT damage is a bad, bad thing in this fight, and I'd forgotten to switch him to ST skills, so his only attacks were basic physicals, Quad Cut off the RW, and Black Materia.

Wall felt like it did very little, since even through Trueblade of Legends' Defense Buff and Stoneskin II, everyone was still taking high amounts of damage.  I actually ran out of shots of Curaja at the end there.

Outside of that...  What the hell did I do so wrong in that fight?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 30, 2016, 01:15:05 AM
Is it just me, or did U+Cid's most dangerous stuff just flat-out ignore defense?

Both his ST special and his AoE Takomak ignore defense. You should've brought Power Breakdown instead of Power Break.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 30, 2016, 05:36:44 PM
Looks like they reset the weekend orbfests, which ultimately means 20 more mithril (this weekend and whenever they redo the Wind/Lightning/White one), so hey, can't really complain.  Also I actually made R3 Meteor finally, which now means I'm low on MNE Orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 01, 2016, 06:52:33 AM
Golden Week orbfest too good to not farm while on vacation. Fortunately me being not human in the morning and the hostels having wifi give me a decent excuse.

Lotta content with this OF, most of it looking like it persists after golden week, so I will deal with the coliseum bosses amd whatever this music dungeon is when I get back to Japan.

Worst part is that OF dungeons max out at 20 stamina per, so using up a full bar takes 8.5 dungeon runs instead of 5.66. Blah.

Also, is it just me or is Clouds new soul break really underwhelming? Like yes it breaks the damage limit but so does Bartz's. Maybe it's a bigger boon for someone without Burst Soul Breaks tho.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 01, 2016, 12:27:20 PM
Cloud's new Soul Break from my understanding has a 12x multiplier,  Single target physical SSBs like Blasting Zone are only 8x~, as are entry level damage BSBs like Fenrir Overdrive.  So it's got raw power going for it.  That'll probably be the standard for OSBs on ST Physicals.  Granted, it's pretty normal for Cloud to get the new Soul Break first and for it to be fairly boring.  It's also possible with the multiplier being that much higher than SSBs, they can be more flexible with it and make the ones with side effects actually stronger (like say, be 10x w/ Attack/Def Down or some such.  Still better than an SSB, but not power creep'd compared to Cloud's.)  Heck, Cloud's got *2* standard Soul Breaks that are just single target physicals with a high mult and only one has a special effect and it's a pretty meh one (paralysis doesn't come up often enough to be useful.) 

That said, unlike previous Soul Break Tiers, it's not all bad for Cloud in this case as this one has a few things going for it that won't make it obsolete as soon as others get the same tier Soul Break.  For starters they gave the OSB an Element so it CAN hit weakness, get buffed by equipment, etc (and it's Wind/Non too, so being elemental is only a positive).  Heck, Cloud even has an En-Wind Soul Break, so he can even compliment it  Climhazzard -> Finishing Touch is like a net multiplier of 26.7 over two turns, Finishing Touch x2 is 24x.  Add in subsequent Spell Blade turns, and I believe he gets 5* Spell Blade from his Record Dive, so he can use boosted Tornado Strikes (and eventually, Snowstorm Dual Strikes) down the line, so that combo seems really potent, and he has Lifesiphon, so getting the gauges necessary for the set up shouldn't be too hard.  That said, it does require 2 separate Soul Break relics to pull off the combo and that in-itself is a flaw, but at least the potential is there.

It's not like, say, Blade Beam which as soon as another physical MT Super Soul Break popped up, it started looking like crap.


EDIT: Also just learned that Vaan's SSB's side effect is +50% attack like Steal Power, and not +35% attack like Zidane's SSB...well then, that just makes me happier I drew it!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 02, 2016, 02:37:27 AM
Good orbfest, got 5 majors.  Now I have to find something that uses major earth orbs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 02, 2016, 04:00:42 AM
Weekend Orbs gave me the last few Major Earth I needed to R3 Saint's Cross, so well timed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 02, 2016, 11:25:30 AM
I've been sitting on the Major Earths needed for R3 Saint Cross for a while. Problem is I'm still 20 Major Holies short. Oh well, there's always Full Charge in the future to look forward to.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 02, 2016, 01:02:38 PM
Wow, the next event in JP will be FF9, sporting new BSBs for Eiko and Vivi, as well as new SSBs for Quina, Steiner and Freya. Beatrix and Zidane BSBs make a return, as well as Garnet's Hastega SSB. Amarant gets jack shit. Both banners look ridiculously impressive, as it's become the norm for FF9 events.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 02, 2016, 03:49:48 PM
I'm only one MEO short of R3'ing Saints Cross... The bigger problem is the 31 holy orbs I need.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 02, 2016, 03:53:47 PM
Good thing R2 Saint Cross works pretty well as long as you have a R4 4* backup for your second ability slot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 02, 2016, 04:16:30 PM
Which indeed I do, so I'm not crying over it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 02, 2016, 10:21:52 PM
Sounds like this new FF9 event is also adding Chain Firaga.  Nice to know they're not being lazy about the release of the new 5* Elemental Spells beyond Chain Blizzaga, and trying to release them promptly.   Hopefully Chain Thundaga comes not too long from now, and maybe they'll even give us Chain Waterga as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 02, 2016, 10:41:51 PM
I've been sitting on the Major Earths needed for R3 Saint Cross for a while. Problem is I'm still 20 Major Holies short. Oh well, there's always Full Charge in the future to look forward to.

What have you spent your Major Holy Orbs on? I've had enough for R3 Saint Cross since the Relm event, and I know that you've spend far more time on orb farming than me. It's pretty much my crutch for damage considering I have zero SSBs and typically run 2 White Mages for hard content.

Shale's a latejoiner, so his case is obviously different.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 02, 2016, 11:36:06 PM
Some of it was converting for stuff like R5 Curaja, a second Diaga for WM Nightmare and instant R4 Banishing Strike, as well as R3 4* dances, some of it was R5 Alexander and some of it R2 Multibreak. It... honestly could've actually been worse, since I slacked on the last orbfest (no refreshes at all) and I have R2 Saint Cross.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 03, 2016, 03:38:26 AM
15 mythril on squall 1, all four stars.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 03, 2016, 04:47:21 AM
100 Gems on the new banner, got a 3* Shield!  Well, that was a wash, but to be expected considering what I got on my last 100 Gem Draw.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 03, 2016, 05:21:11 AM
With R3 Saint's Cross and R4 Banishing Strike in hand, finally mopped up U+ Dr. Cid.

Relevant Synergy gear- 5+ Dagger, 4+ Axe, 5 star staff.

Sephiroth (Black Materia, Indoor Spell/Flashing Blade)
Locke (Valiant Strike, Dismissal/Treasure Hunter's Raid (bonus: FINALLY got him up to 170 speed without RS))
Agrias (Cleansing Strike, Saint's Cross/Banishing Strike)
Ramza (waifu, Power Breakdown/Armor Breakdown)
Tyro (SG, Protectga/Curaja)
RW: Shout

Nothing fancy.  Dr. Cid just doesn't have the speed or variety to keep pressure on you if you don't kill his support bots, so he's mostly trying to outlast your hones.  Multiple SSBs mock this strategy.

Also cleared out the Crushdown Nightmare.

Tyro (SG, Banishing Strike/Curaja)
Tidus (Jecht Shot, Dismissal/Tempo Flurry)
Sephiroth (as above)
Agrias (Cleansing Strike, Saint's Cross/Armor Strike)
Zack (Assault Rush, Double Cut/Drain Strike)
RW: Shout

Whiffed mastery the first time around due to triggering an accidental Gravija and Tyro and Tidus dying plus Sephiroth falling asleep; fell one medal short.  Tried it without Shout (I'd blown through my friends list and figured what the hell), and yeah no that wasn't happening. Had an S/L on the next Shout run because basically everything went pear shaped and I'm not entirely sure how.  Everything went smooth after that.

So, time to think about the Reraise Nightmare.  Actual WM SBs:
Tyro's SG (Wall)
Y'shtola's SSII (Wall)
Vanille's Miracle Prayer (Curaga-all/Ether)
Exdeath's Grand Cross (damage/Runic+)
Beatrix's Seiken Stock Break (damage)
Aeris' Dragon Force (Blink)

So... options?  But not good ones?  I hesitate to say that having both walls is valuable, and Y'shtola's stuck without an MC2 still.  Granted so's Exdeath.  Beatrix is too, however the Kuja event drops immediately after and has her MC2 so it'll be available well before the dungeon closes.  It counters physical attacks, so Beatrix is somewhat wasted aside from the SB itself, however that may well be a difference maker for phase 2 of the fight.  Aeris might be worth using just for lack of better options since she can sling a Diaga as well as any of them and Blink, as long as Photon Spray checks it, could be handy.  Flip side it doesn't use many actual SPELLS so Grand Cross would also be there just for the MT damage.  Granted the calculus here could change a lot if I draw anything useful between here and there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 03, 2016, 05:45:32 AM
Pulled on Squall's banner...

BURST!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I FINALLY GOT A BURST!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Also, Edea's SSB, so now I'm ready for that damned Ifrit when he shows up.

Yes, I realize now that I am probably the luckiest asshole here now. Ever since Fenrir left, my luck has gotten much better.... hmmm....

Well, that checks off everything was on my "to get" list for relics. I have two Walls, a couple Medicas and Hastegas, Shout, Focus, vanilla Boostga/Faithga, a 5* of every weapon type except like... Hammers and Dolls, a bunch of damage SSBs physical and magical...

I don't have Reraise nor a HotE clone but those are VERY low priority, so I don't see myself pulling anything except Lucky Banners for a while...

I'm gonna have so much Mythril! (Until Terra's Burst comes out and I spend it all chasing that dragon... sigh... At least I have her SSB and that's not going anywhere...)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 03, 2016, 07:34:13 PM
Champ'd Doctor Cid on my first try! Lost one medal for KO'd characters because Ramza ate a Cyclotron+Drain combo early (glad I didn't hone FB just for this fight) and then Agrias took another one very late, but by that point I could have beaten him just by using Leeching Leap a couple of times. Leaving the Rooks alive and spamming Banishing Strike makes the whole thing incredibly non-threatening unless they decide to focus down one character.

The regular Ultimate was harder, requiring a good bit of S/L to get past turn 3, but that was only because I brought no physical mitigation. I didn't especially need it for the long haul when Crushing Blow + Faithful Companion nuke the support Judges and Blind Shell neutralizes most of the boss' physicals, but it took some time to make all that happen before anybody died.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 03, 2016, 08:31:48 PM
Dr. Cid is one of the first big fights where having a Wall actually isn't a gamechanger (mainly because his noteworthy offense is ITD. The Rooks' Drain hurts, but it honestly doesn't come up often). That'll be more and more of a thing, monstrosities like Fragment Ifrit aside. Due to his gimmick (punishing AoE with his Tokamak unlock, mainly), Dr. Cid actually isn't a big deal.

In other news, done with first part of Edea's event. Ran the + battles with a full relicless team and it was actually kind of fun to use Penelo as a dedicated Support. In practice, it meant I had only three offensive PCs, but that wasn't a big deal, FF8 bosses are generally very straightforward.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 04, 2016, 03:52:25 AM
Ultimate 12 fight was dead easy, due to him being weak to slow.  Mug Time trivializes any battle where bosses can be slowed.

Ultimate + required a bit more experimenting.  I really like that + fights cost 1 stamina.  I don't feel like I'm wasting stamina if I stop and change my loadout.

Lenna (Curaja, Holy, Mako Might)
Pecil (Banishing Strike, Saint's Cross, Pride of the Red Wings)
Selphie (Shellga, Reflect, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
Balthier (Steal Power, Firaga Strike, Master Sniper)
Gilgamesh (Retaliate, Draw Fire, Dragoon's Determination)
Djinn's shiny new Lion's Roar as RW

So the idea is to Banishing Strike Cid, sneak a quick Holy in, then Reflect him.  Gilgamesh neutralizes everything that isn't Cyclotron and Drain.  Shellga is essential because Drain hurts.  Repeat the Banishing Strike chain whenever he uses Greater Barrier.  Ignore the Rooks so Cid never leaves Phase 1.  Lion's Roar gives Pecil and Balthier something to do when they're out of attacks (and because you don't want to Banishing Strike constantly).  Under Steal Power, the Squall fire attack was doing about 8000, so pretty decent.  Very slow fight but very safe.  Lost 1 action medal and 1 damage medal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 04, 2016, 04:06:54 AM
Ultimate 12 fight was dead easy, due to him being weak to slow.  Mug Time trivializes any battle where bosses can be slowed.

Djinn's shiny new Lion's Roar as RW

Yay! I'm helping!

Also, I have to agree that Mug Time (even at R1) has made for some awesome QoL changes against any of the slow-able bosses. Not having to worry about S/L proccing Slow off of Tempo Flurry nor wasting a slot on damageless (and still unreliable!) Slowga is just -nice-. Still not gonna hone it until 5* Orbs are literally raining like 3* ones, but it's a nice option at R1.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 04, 2016, 10:18:53 AM
It's how us poor folk without Hastega survive.

Apparently I missed the Nightmare Dungeon.  Thought it would be open longer.  Ah well it'll be back next month.

Finished Squall event.  Very unremarkable.  Need to spend all my remaining mythril on banner 2 cause my 8 synergy *suuuuucks* and Ifrit is going to bend me over.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 04, 2016, 11:50:47 AM
Yeah man get that 8 synergy in it is literally the only battle released so far worth log term planning for.

This Golden Week event is treating me well. Orbs kinda have been loooow priority after dedicating 6 months to basically nothing but farming, but it has been nice getting my SB and SSB characters to 79/80. Also cleaning up a few relevant RMs, notably Cid 7's EXP booster and Quina's (ugh) Spear damage booster.

I quite enjoy how there hasn't been anything I feel I need to dump mythril into, and can just enjoy watching the number next to my mythril icon rise.

I don't like that the first MC3 is gotten through gambling and is potentially missable. The want for L99 BSSB Bartz is strong. Im glad I played FF5 last year cuz that fulfills waifu urges as well.

In other news, Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 04, 2016, 02:52:53 PM
Finished Squall event.  Very unremarkable.  Need to spend all my remaining mythril on banner 2 cause my 8 synergy *suuuuucks* and Ifrit is going to bend me over.

My FF8 synergy is currently pretty good, but I want almost everything on that banner anyway. I don't have an AoE Faithga, I don't have a SSB-level Medica (and Selphie's one of the best in the lot) and I don't have Light Armors that improve offensive stats. Even Zell's glove wouldn't go amiss given how scarce my fist roster is and I could at least combine the Inferno Fang. Only real dud is the Pinwheel, since I already have -two- FF8 thrown weapons. So yeah, I'm pulling.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on May 05, 2016, 12:42:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/YLBStl0l.jpg)

who needs wall
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 05, 2016, 03:11:11 AM
Garnet does apparently.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on May 05, 2016, 05:07:41 AM
100 gem (Balthier 2) - Holy Rod
100 gem (Squall 1) - Ulysses

maybe I should've done those first
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 06, 2016, 02:52:01 AM
100 Gem draws: Trash as usual.  Back to being the unluckiest person in the DL, I guess.

Ultimate: Manhandled with Bartz/Squall/Rinoa/Y'shtola/Ramza.
Ultimate+: Manhandled with Bartz/Squall/Rinoa/Y'shtola/Ramza, though it got pretty hairy at points.

EDIT:

Sitting on 71 Mithril right now.  Wondering if I should chance a pull for either Irvine's Canister Shot or Zell's Different Beat/Selphie's Dreamstage/Rinoa's GF Brothers/Edea's Parade...  Or just hoard it for the BSB festival in the future.

Leaning hoarding.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 06, 2016, 04:31:00 AM
100 GEM PULL GETS ME A 4*! ...it's an FF6 Crystal Sword though so might as well be a 3*, blech.


Anyway, ultimates beaten, set ups for both!

Disciplinary Committee (not bothering with equips):

Terra: R3 Meteor, R4 Thundaja, Mako's Might RM
-Has Minotaur's Plate for a Shellga Soul Break
Rinoa: R2 Bahamut, R5 Biora, Devotion RM
-Has Rising Sun for a Synergy weapon
Lulu: R5 Thundaga, R3 Blizzaja, Ace Striker RM
-Has Focus for a Soul Break
Yuna: R4 Curaja, R2 Protectga, Knight's Charge RM
-Has Hymn of the Fayth
Tyro: R4 Aerora Strike, R2 Multi Break, Dr. Mog's Teachings RM
-Has Sentinel Grimoire
RW: Magic Infusion

Yeah, Mage Meta'd it, worked pretty well.  My priority was killing Fuijin hence why Lulu is using Thundaga of all things.  Mostly just focused killing Fuijin, Terra firing Meteors when she died, Rinoa opening with Bahamut, swapping to Biora because they're all weak to it, you get the idea.  Only one reset but not because of problems arising in the fight, but bceause I had Tyro open with Magic INfusion accidentally when I wanted sentinel Grimoire and really didn't want to bother.

Ultima Weapon, I tried Mage Meta, but my Synergy gear isn't good enough, so I didn't have the offense without using a Mithril, so after two attempts and seeing Light Pillar on the 2nd, was clear that wasn't going to work.  To be clear, I had 0 problems with survival.
Thank you Ultimate + Fights taking only 1 Stamina thus allowing for actual experimentation.  So my winning run?

Seifer: R4 Banishing Strike, R2 Saint's Cross, Dragoon's Determination RM
-Is using Celes' Excalibur, has Bloodfest for relevant Soul Breaks
Auron: R5 Armor Break, R4 Lifesiphon, Pride of the Red Wings RM
-Has Banishing Strike for Soul Breaks; Armor Break mostly there as a combination of "insure I get that req in" and "not much better because Auron's just going to spam Lifesiphon and SSBs anyway"
Ramza: R2 Full Break, R4 Magic Breakdown, Mako's Might
-Has Shout...do I really need to say anything else?
Yuna: R4 Curaja, R2 Protectga, Knight's Charge RM
-Healer etc
Tyro: R2 Shellga, R4 Firaja, Dr. Mog's Teachings
-Sentinel Grimoire; he's using Rinoa's Rising Sun, hence the usage of Firaja instead of a physical.  Also has Fire Armlet to boost it further
RW: Hand of the Emperor

Really the strategy above is straight forward; Hand of the Emperor chosen because nothing else seemed interesting, might as well boost defense and get a slight bonus to damage as well.  1 Medal loss.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 06, 2016, 06:20:24 AM
Okay, as planned, three 11-pulls on banner 2. Results: 1x Inferno Fang, 2x Seifer's Coat, 1x Party Dress and 1x Sorceress' Crown. No SSB, but I got all the armors I wanted and I got a tool to viabilize mage parties, along with a way to viabilize pretty princess Cloud. Certainly not complaining. Also worth noting the party dress came from the 100-gem pull.

Also beat the bonus battles, but I'll talk about these later.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 06, 2016, 06:51:01 AM
100 gem netted a Seifer's Coat.  Already had his Hyperion, so APPARENTLY they just think I should really use the shit outta Seifer.  Pity about that lack of MC2.

That said, figured what the hell and tossed together this team to get him started on learning Bloodfest.

Rinoa (Angel Wing Bolt, Angel Wing Quake Mystic Cure, Thundaja/Maduin)
Squall (Fated Circle, Blizzaga Strike/Aero Strike)
Seifer (Demon Slice, Bloodfest, Saint's Cross/Banishing Strike)
Sephiroth (Shadow Flare, Black Materia, First Aid, Indoor Spell/Flashing Blade)
Tyro (SG, Shellga/Curaja)
Shout RW

The theory is to blast them with Shadow Flare to get some breathing room, smite Fujin, win. 
This cleared but didn't master.  Annoying.  Not sure if I'm gonna bother mastering it or not, but I don't think it's happening with this party; there's just too much incoming damage with as MT focused as Seifer himself is even if Fujin wastes a turn on Esuna.  So yeah, Bloodfest isn't a bad fit for the battle but mastery is just gonna need some extra mitigation.  Agrias COULD step in for Rinoa and Thundaga Strike I guess but that's risky, a dedicated support in Seifer's slot is probably a better idea.  Eh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 06, 2016, 07:54:04 AM
If you have Tyro's SG and Lifesiphon then you have no reason you can't mitigate the damage enough to master-clear that fight. I mean, I can understand not wanting to keep throwing stamina at it, it's kinda pricey, but I think you have the tools for it.

Did an 11-pull for Zell's glove, got a pretty party dress instead! I guess my R4 Quake just got potentially useful again after languishing since Ruinga and Meteor appeared?

Fat Chocobo is probably better than Quake, but ugh trying to hone Summons in this orbless wasteland...

Team:
HealerSG-Tyro/SupportShout-Ramza/AeroraRunic-Celes/Ice&BlindShell-Balthier/ThunderBSB-Squall

Beat the Seifer losers after a couple of S/Ls (they kept focusing down Tyro before he could move...)
Once I got SG up, then it was all Squall and Wall with a bunch of level-broken Spellbladers getting my mastery req's. Grand Runic not as useful as I was expecting, but it helped mitigate damage against Celes a little. Balthier ran Blind Shell, which actually netted me some vital turns in the middle of the fight that they spent remedying their stylish sunglasses away. Lifesiphoning Burst Squall was MVP due to the ridiculous amounts of damage he was putting out making the fight much faster, but I think even with him running a regular SB the fight would have gone pretty smoothly once Wall was up.

Ultimate Weapon looks... fun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 06, 2016, 08:40:35 AM
25 mythril on banner 2, got Ehrgeiz.  God Bless the Ring.

Need to test if the +crit% stacks with the extra crit on Explosive Fist.  If so that's going to be some pain.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 06, 2016, 09:23:55 AM
Yeah, it's not that I can't so much as "well is another crystal and a few major orbs worth the time/another 60 stamina".  The orbs in question are Major Ice.  So looking at my orb piles, I recently put Fullbreak up at R3 so I'm down a bit on Major Ice.  More than that, with the White Magic Nightmare coming up I'm looking at honing up Holy.  I have the Ice orbs to put it at R2 (I'm way low on Holy orbs but hell, Friday's long since been a full grind day), but with three weeks it's possible, if a bit unlikely, I could get it up to R3, so they could well prove immediately useful.  So yeah, worth doin'.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 06, 2016, 11:01:13 AM
Decided to follow in people's footsteps here and threw 50 Mithril at Banner 2.

Got an Inferno Fang.  Am I allowed to complain about this one?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 06, 2016, 11:12:33 AM
Decided to follow in people's footsteps here and threw 50 Mithril at Banner 2.

Got an Inferno Fang.  Am I allowed to complain about this one?

No.

25 mythril on banner 2, got Ehrgeiz.  God Bless the Ring.

Need to test if the +crit% stacks with the extra crit on Explosive Fist.  If so that's going to be some pain.

Crit rates don't stack as a rule of thumb.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 06, 2016, 03:24:57 PM
Yeah, it's not that I can't so much as "well is another crystal and a few major orbs worth the time/another 60 stamina".  The orbs in question are Major Ice.  So looking at my orb piles, I recently put Fullbreak up at R3 so I'm down a bit on Major Ice.  More than that, with the White Magic Nightmare coming up I'm looking at honing up Holy.  I have the Ice orbs to put it at R2 (I'm way low on Holy orbs but hell, Friday's long since been a full grind day), but with three weeks it's possible, if a bit unlikely, I could get it up to R3, so they could well prove immediately useful.  So yeah, worth doin'.

Plus, Dualcast Blizzaja will come out in about 6 months and you'll want to hoard Ice orbs for that.

Also, lets not go giving up on battles Zenny was able to master clear in the pre hastega days. I even did it without MT. I did hone all of Bio Strike, Biora Strike, and Bioga specifically for it, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 06, 2016, 06:27:39 PM
Okay, so, Edea event bonus battles, all done while I was perceptively drunk last night. Here's my setup for the Three Stoges:

Rinoa (L80): R5 Maduin, R4 Blizzaja
Bartz (L80): R5 Aerora Strike, R4 Lifesiphon
Edea (L71): R4 Bioga, R3 Meteor
Yuna (L80): R2 Protectga, R5 Curaja
Quistis (L65): R4 Thundaja, R4 Magic Breakdown

RW: Sentinel's Grimoire

So yeah, mostly mage meta since I wanted to build mastery on both Rinoa's and Edea's SBs and my mage synergy in FF8 is downright insane. No S/Ls, though I didn't really use the AoE damage much. Quistis and Edea are kinda redundant (both run Hastega SBs), but I wanted to field both Protectga and Shellga. Regardless, Inaugural Parade is very legit, the girls were ramming caps without hitting weakness (though the synergy obviously helps). I honestly didn't notice their offense either, but the fight ended pretty fast. Kinda disappointing after how nasty they were in Rinoa's reissue.

Ultima Weapon... oof. I know part of it was me being blazingly drunk, but it took me at least four S/Ls to get into the fight's rhythm, which is bizarre given how unsophisticated the fight is. Ultima's just a DPS check, but the offense is scary as fuck and you don't want to spend even a second outside the scope of a SG/SSII cast. One of my failed runs involved eating a 3.5k damage Meteor (under Shellga and Magic Breakdown) that blew up half my party. First attempt involved Edea, Ramza, Bartz, Gilgamesh and Yuna, but I had to replace Edea with Lightning even though she was dropping 8k damage Waterjas sans buffs. Winning setup looked like this:

Lightning (L80): R4 Lifesiphon, R4 Dismissal
Bartz (L80): R4 Lifesiphon, R4 Pound
Gilgamesh (L80): R4 Banishing Strike, R2 Saint Cross
Yuna (L80): R5 Curaja, R2 Shellga
Ramza (L80): R4 Magic Breakdown, R3 Full Break

RW: Sentinel's Grimoire

Pretty milquetoaste, but that's how those fights go, really. You're running against the clock here and he hits too hard for anything else to be effective.
 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 06, 2016, 06:38:30 PM
A big thing to remember about the Disciplinary Trio is that Seifer's scary stuff only appears in his weak phase, namely his MT damage, so Seifer should be saved for last for that reason.  Raijin's mostly (entirely?) physical (though Blind doesn't do anything to Raijin Special), so he's easy to keep mitigated, so it's really killing Fuijin fast.

Granted, I admit my team can be a bit more flexible having innate Wall *AND* Shellga Soul Break Armors to allow some skill slot opening.


That said, to Djinn:

En-Earth's uses are quite limited from where I'm sitting.  Feels like it's uses are the following for someone like Rinoa:

-2 Gauges so you can use the Soul Break twice in a row getting the 2nd at an 80% damage boost
--Branching from that, when it drops, Rinoa's BSB can benefit greatly from it.
-Fat Chocobo (6.6x2 MT damage attack, almost SSB level)
-Hitting Earth weakness (which comes up for all of like FF12 Tiamat -_-) with Quake
-AoE fights when you run out of Meteor (Meteor > Quake x 1.5 I believe, but Quake is a lot easier to hone of course)
-Resisting Earth (Hey, it's more common than weakness!)

I WANT to say En-Earth boosts Meltdown, but I've heard conflicting info, in that some claim the attack is treated as Fire elemental unless the enemy either resists Fire or is weak to the other two, and I think Earth is the 3rd element on the list, so the enemy would need to resist Fire AND Wind or be weak to Earth (...which never happens...) for En-Earth to buff it.  Others claim it just always takes the most damaging element, meaning if you were in En-Earth, it would be treated as Earth elemental damage unless the enemy was weak to Fire/Wind or resisted Earth.

Either way, En-Earth has very limited applications since a boosted Quake is still weaker than a neutral -ja Spell, so unless the AoE thing kicks in, it's hard to benefit much from it. 

...now watch as the next JP event creates Quaga which is a 5* Earth Spell that is 4.5x2 in damage, which would make me shut up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on May 06, 2016, 10:25:56 PM
Decided to follow in people's footsteps here and threw 50 Mithril at Banner 2.

Got an Inferno Fang.  Am I allowed to complain about this one?

got nothing
might mythril Ultima Weapon, that's some damage
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 07, 2016, 04:52:15 AM
I kind of wanted Edea's Crown so decided to do a 3 pull on the banner...

...and got an FF12 Danjuro.  Well, that's certainly unexpected...and one event too late.  Ah well, maybe there should be more FF12 content in a dungeon update coming up soon I think.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 07, 2016, 03:06:25 PM
Back to the grind. Been a while since I've done an Ice/NE daily. Mastered Edea, Rinoa and Seifer SBs as well. I have to say it's utterly bizarre that the character with the most SBs of mine is Rinoa of all people.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 07, 2016, 03:31:22 PM
Disciplinary Committee:  Well not having native wall or hastega made this a much tougher fight than the rest of you are having.  After some trial and error determined that Seifer has to die first because you have to kill him while SG is up or you go splat.

Selphie (Curaga, Shellga, Mako Might)
Lenna (Curaja, Protectga, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
Vivi (Blizzaja, Thundaja, Attunement II)
Squall (Biora Strike, Aerora Strike, Pride of the Red Wings)
Zell (Punishing Palm, Life Siphon, Ace Striker)
SG RW

Delay casting SG until the second turn.  Build up meter with Zell.  Recast Shell and Protectga right before Seifer goes below 50%.  Heal like crazy.  Recast SG when Seifer's at about 15% because it has run out by then.  Heal like crazy.  Finish Seifer, kill Fujin, then laugh at Raijin's single target damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 07, 2016, 10:48:51 PM
My FF8 synergy sucks, but I managed to scrape by for now.

Three stooges setup (not pictured, Shout RW): http://imgur.com/2giQJqO

R2 Flashing Blade is perfect for this kind of fight, it's 24K damage per use but still doesn't push anyone into weak phase by itself. Spamming elemental damage finished the fight from there. Actually got full medals for this.

Ultima Weapon setup (Shout RW again): http://imgur.com/vLfrhCG

This one was a close call. Ramza was completely out of abilities by the end and everyone else was low, second Shout was almost certainly running out too. Full Charge can't come soon enough.

I had two S/Ls for Ultima Weapon, one because I got nuked by Meteor during a brief window where SS2 was down and one because Bartz got OHKO'd by a crit on turn 1. That one was kinda funny.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 08, 2016, 06:57:22 AM
Capn: You're absolutely right that you need SG up for Seifer's weak phase, but you do have a couple options. IIRC I put it up immediately then killed Fujin while it was still up, then took care of Raijin and not touching Seifer at all while SG was down, then put it back up as I pounded on Seifer. Took many SLs and some luck, though. Anyway, cool to see there were options, and that yeah Raijin is definitely the weak link of the crew no matter what strategy you use.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 08, 2016, 07:13:24 AM
Raijin Special does weirdly respectable damage (~1200-1500 after SG.  And I have like 3 natural 5 star FFVIII armors) but not having any MT options is just not threatening in Ultimate tier content.

Man, it's so easy to forget what not having good synergy gear looks like.  Tossed a group of ~L50 characters together for grinding dailies/RMs/stray EXP on White 5 characters, then lightly tweaked their setups for dungeon content and did the FFXIV elites.  Ifrit's Hellfire actually dealt 9k (I assume it trigged right after SSII went down) and wiped me!  Because I wasn't actually doing that much damage to it: 3500x2 or so off Maduin and 2300x2 off Saint's Cross.  I can't even remember the last time damage numbers went that low on those attacks on characters over L50.
Granted finishing that would have triggered a stamina refresh so maybe for the best not to actually finish it off right this minute.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 08, 2016, 07:27:01 AM
Yeah neither Raijin or Fujin are dangerous by themselves, but combined they can kill a character when SG is not up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 09, 2016, 02:49:54 PM
Dungeon update shenanigans: nothing noteworthy so far, but I'm still doing classics. Mixing up with Mondaily farming (those Gysahls don't farm themselves and I'm almost at 40k), up to Yaschas Massif 2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 09, 2016, 03:40:53 PM
FF13 has ANOTHER Ranged Boss which remains a bull**** mechanic in RK, and it's especially insulting in FF13 dungeons.

Yes, the ranged mechanic technically existed in FF13 as I replay it there is a rare enemy immune to melee.  The difference?  FF13 can get away with it since everyone has some form of notable ranged damage as Commando AND Ravager (yeah, Fang's Ruin kind of sucks, but it EXISTS, so she's not a deadweight), as well as a game where resources didn't exist, so you can spam all that ranged damage.  It was a minor damage mitigation feature in FF13, is what I'm saying.

RK, it shuts down a large amount of the cast and you have to build around it.  Yeah, ok, in lone boss fights it's not so bad (Silver Dragon wasn't so bad for example) but having to build a team around it to get through dungeons is downright stupid.  Honestly, transferring the anti-melee mechanics directly from FF7/10/12/13 to RK is probably the dumbest thing they did.  They really should have done something like "Melee attacks deal half damage" or an accuracy penalty.  It keeps the anti-melee spirit intact while not compromising the battle system.  Those games had aspects that you work around it; FF7 had materia and limits, FF10 you could swap characters on a whim and always had Wakka available as a result, AND most ranged fights were conditional aspects you can work around (eg Evrae was only melee immune when he was far away), FF12 lets you swap weapons on the fly so "Oh crap, that thing is flying, better hand Vaan that Bow and Ashe that Hand Bomb!"and Magic exists too (also, Telekinesis exists eventually.)  FF13 I addressed.

I know it's an attempt at challenge, but it's the wrong kind of challenge; it compromises the game's strengths, not plays to them.  Having ranged enemies is fine but being "Melee characters are SOL, good day!" is dumb.  As I said, "Melee characters are penalized but still functional" would be fine.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 09, 2016, 06:55:52 PM
On the most recent episode of "Things that should surprise no one":

Balamb Firebomb (Zell's RM3) has a higher effect on Monk Skill damage than Dragoon's Determination.
Hardened Assassin (Shadow's RM2) has a higher effect on Ninja Scroll damage than Devotion.

EDIT:

So I wanted to try a full FF8 Synergy Team, just to see if I was ready for Fragment Ifrit.

Squall L80 - Revolver++/Adamant Bangle/Squall's Necklace - Lifesiphon R4/Mental Break R2 - Blasting Zone - Ace Striker
Quistis L64 - Flail++/Tungsten Bangle/Cerberus Relief - Blizzaja R4/Power Breakdown R3 - Salvation (Shared off armor) - Devotion
Selphie L76 - Thyrus++/Precious Watch++/Doctor Cid's Glasses - Curaja R4/Shellga R2 - Healing Moment (Shared off armor) - Knight's Charge
Seifer L65 - Hyperion/Galbadian Elite Armor/Aries - Banishing Strike R4/Armor Break R4 - Demon Slice - Pride of the Red Wings
Irvine L65 - Running Fire/Defense Veil+/Vossler's Gauntlet - Full Break R2/Magic Breakdown R3 - Normal Ammo - Master Sniper
RW: Stoneskin 2

Seifer used there instead of Zell due to Banishing Blade to get rid of Regen if it ever happened.  I got him down to 1/3 HP before he pretty much annihilated me.  Not enough damage all-around, really.  Back to the drawing board, I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 10, 2016, 02:33:40 AM
Palom/Porom event, 100-gem pull yields... Edge's Kotetsu. Are you trying to tell me something, game?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 10, 2016, 03:44:59 AM
Palom/Porom event, 100-gem pull yields... Edge's Kotetsu. Are you trying to tell me something, game?

So what I'm hearing is Edge solo U+ Cagnazzio runs in the near future.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 10, 2016, 03:48:30 AM
I just don't know what to do, for all that he at least hits weakness on Cagnazzo's rising water phase. It's just weird as hell that I have both his relics.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 10, 2016, 08:26:13 AM
Ugh I am so close to beating Ultima but it requires so many random events to fall into place.  Had a great run going and then he used Ultima Buster on two consecutive turns.  Fuck this game for being so reliant on Hastega and Wall.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 10, 2016, 12:21:30 PM
If it's that bad, you might consider running someone with Haste and casting it on your DPS/healer. It's at least -something-.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 10, 2016, 02:35:33 PM
I've thought about it, just a matter of finding someplace to fit it.

Currently running

Lenna (Curaja, Protectga) - heals
Kimahri (Magic Break, Armor Break) - medal conditions + lets me ignore meteor and ultima
Cloud (Firaga Strike, Lifesiphon) - dps
Gilgamesh (Banishing Strike, Saint's Cross) - wall user/regen breaker/help with dps
Zell (Punishing Palm, Lifesiphon) - dps

I could swap Kimahri with Selphie using Shellga and Haste... swapping magic break and armor break to cloud and Gilgamesh.  But I'd be taking more damage just to benefit from hasting Zell (Cloud hastes himself).

Other option is to get rid of Gilgamesh and swap in Zidane for another SSB user... but that's going to make the end phase dangerous with Regen up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 10, 2016, 02:48:04 PM
One idea could be Agrias/Nice Cecil running Banishing Strike + Haste instead of Gilgamesh. Less dps, but doesn't forgo it entirely and handles Regen as well. I'd suggest a Support in place of Kimahri if you can manage the scripted attacks, but that'd depend entirely on having at least R2 Full Break.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 11, 2016, 12:58:53 PM
Beat the current segment of Palom/Porom's event, 3* Piece of Crap from 100 Gem Pull, Baigan is a dick, and Odin made me need to use a real team because of his defensive stats.

...then Odin dropped a Greater Summon Orb.  WEll, looks like I'm beating him up for a while!  He seems to drop Summon Orbs, Greater Summon Orbs, and Major Black Orbs.  Given how I seriously want to use Mage Meta, this seems like an ideal thing to do at the moment because Summon Orbs and all that.  Even normal summon orbs are useful because of Orb Conversion despite how I have R5 Ifrit, Shiva and Ramuh.  I want to get Bahamut at least to R3! ...I'm still a ways off from that, but hey, baby steps.

EDIT: Though I'll probably grind for Wind/Lightning Orbs since those are getting in high demand today, and the Gyshal Greens gotten should supplement for the Summon Orbs I wouldn't have gotten anyway.  Tomorrow, though, Odin dies a lot (White Orbs are not something I need, and I have plenty of Power Orbs to last me for a while.  Besides, there's 2 Power Orb dailies anyway, so restocking on them isn't hard.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 11, 2016, 03:11:54 PM
Beat the main course on Wundertwins event. FF4 content never fails to annoy, Baigan was as annoying as he was unthreatening. Whee, having the arms not self-destruct being a medal condition while the arms themselves have about half of Baigan's 100k HP. Odin, once again, raised his sword just in time to die from Edea's Thundaja.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 11, 2016, 03:18:50 PM
JP: holy crap Multiplayer FFRK is awesome and I love it and as soon as they fix one or two bugs it'll be perfect!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 11, 2016, 05:28:07 PM
Beat the main course on Wundertwins event. FF4 content never fails to annoy, Baigan was as annoying as he was unthreatening. Whee, having the arms not self-destruct being a medal condition while the arms themselves have about half of Baigan's 100k HP. Odin, once again, raised his sword just in time to die from Edea's Thundaja.

In one of my multiple Odin-Grind runs, I actually had one where he never raised his sword once.  My team isn't exactly a DPS Machine because my FF4 Synergy isn't fantastic and Agrias isn't totally leveled up (using her because Saint Cross + Spellblade combo), so he lives plenty to do so. 

RNG based conditions on AI are basically the worst, Odin takes it to a new level because not only can he sometimes not raise his sword, he can also raise it at a point where your Thunder damage dealers are occupied (like charging a Soul Break or something).  Reminds me of Emperor's "Do not let him Starfall 5 times!" or whatever condition, which is awful because Starfall isn't scripted, so if the RNG says so, you can fail a condition despite doing everything else right.


But yeah, this event just further demonstrates how FF4 content is some of the worst in the game.   It doesn't help that this event hands us two of the least inspired PCs in the game: A pure Black mage and a pure white Mage.  Heck, Palom even has the same soul break as Vivi.

Actually, i should rant about Palom because he really is just a worse Vivi all things considered.  Here's all my issues with Palom because I just need to get him off my chest:

-As I said, he's a Vivi clone.  His stats are basically identical to Vivi, with the differences being negligible (it's similar to Terra vs. Ashe before Terra got her magic buff), he has the exact same equipment draw, and they even have the same default Soul Break.  There's clones, and then there's carbon copies.  Lulu and Edea are very similar to Vivi, sure, but at least they have some distinguishing features.  Palom is just another Vivi straight up.
-Adding to that, Palom is also from a worse realm than Vivi.  FF4 has Tuesdailies, to be fair, but otherwise?  It's got small number of dungeons that have ended, and there's only one event after this one based around FF4 (Yang's.)  FF9 has dungeon updates still left to come, and *3* events in the future, so he's worse than Vivi when you look at that.
-Using him in Tuesdailies seems sound until yo remember FF4 has four other characters with Black 5.  Of them, two of them are Sages, thus can do other stuff, Rydia has Summon 5 so more offensive options to work with (also Carbuncle), especially when looking at AoE, and Golbez has a uniquely tanky build for a Black Mage.  Basically, what I'm saying is even if you want two Black Mages, Rydia's almost as strong magically and can do more, and the other 3 are "good enough" while bringing more to the table.  Also FuSoYa has a beard puddle, we can't ignore that!
-Palom joins right after we just got Edea, a Black Mage in the same style, who has a niche in throwing weapons (thus another person to make use of Hope/Rinoa relics) and has access to Dark Zone+Memento Mori. 
-Vivi gets a pass too because he was introduced as like the 3rd character with Black 5 after Terra and Rinoa (Rydia didn't have Black 5 initially remember), and he's a storyline character, so he helps those with a smaller cast.  Palom is an event character who is the same as an early storyline character, I don't think there's anyone else in the game like that.
-His Soul Breaks are uninspired.  He only has his SSB which is just a Lightning/Non spell with no special perks.  By contrast, Edea had the same scenario with an Ice/Non move...but she also got a clone of Magic Infusion as a 2nd unique Soul Break, which is actually pretty cool.  Vivi's Soul Breaks aren't the most original, but he has multiple at least.  Palom's Dagger is kind of neat, but in practice the "it's a dagger" matters for all of Red XIII and some of the Ninjas I guess.

I could rant about Porom similarly because a lot of the same crap applies to her as Palom, but at least she has a cool SSB in Hastega+Curaga-level Medica.   Also she can use Bows, which isn't a common trait of White Mages; yes, I know, so can FF4's OTHER White Mage, but it's more than you can say for her brother. 


Now yes, I know that you can't do a lot with Palom, but I'm sure there was something you could do to make him stand out, even if it was simply fudging something like support 3 or some such.

Yes, that was completely pointless but I just wanted it off my chest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 11, 2016, 06:07:41 PM
I would have liked to have seen either of the Twins get something to represent their Twin magic. Maybe like an innate synergy-esque boost in any realm if you bring them together? Or perhaps have their default Soul Breaks be something like a status you target on one of your allies, and then whenever that ally attacks, Palom/Porom casts a weak spell alongside the attack for X turns without interrupting their other actions. That would possibly take too much programming, but it wouldn't be game-breaking and it'd be a neat effect that could have some niche uses.

More Multiplayer stuff: I got to play along with Key Tsang himself for a Core Run against Ultimate+ Ifrit... After 3 revives we finally pulled it off. Though honestly our second try went really well and only due to a few missteps that we had to go for more revives... Heaven help you if you enter that fight without SG though... dear god. No RWs, so you gotta hope someone brings it!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 11, 2016, 06:28:54 PM
I'm honestly expecting them to at some point create Combo Soul Breaks, which are soul breaks between two specific characters.  Palom/Porom are one such obvious example of that, as are Vivi and Steiner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 11, 2016, 10:58:09 PM
Multiplayer's out? I have some trolling to do
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 11, 2016, 11:03:51 PM
It's on closed beta, if you didn't get an invite, you can't join the fun yet. Open beta will happen a few weeks from now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 11, 2016, 11:43:46 PM
I was gonna feign indignance at DJ getting an invite but not me, but then I remembered that my first literal thought was K GUYS TIME TO FUCK WITH PEOPLE
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 12, 2016, 12:24:59 AM
Multiplayers seems to be RK's attempt at emulating FF14 Trials.  As in, the real 8 Man trials ala "Hard" level and higher.

...suppose it's fitting that near as I can tell, all the opponents are in fact from FF14.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 12, 2016, 12:36:09 AM
All FF11 and FF14, which is indeed fitting given they're the series MMOs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 12, 2016, 01:15:51 AM
It wasn't so much an invite as a sign up. Everyone I know who clicked the sign up option while it was available got into the beta.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 12, 2016, 03:26:48 AM
So is the multiplayer function like, "Pick a random person, hope you got a competent partner", or do you actually get to choose who you pal around with?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 12, 2016, 03:42:55 AM
Both are options.

Some initiates the challenge and become the Leader of the four-player/8-unit team. The leader is the only one who spends stamina (and gets the shot at a bonus award in addition to the battle's regular rewards). Other players can join the team by selecting from a small list of open invitation teams attempting the same battle. When 4 players all join in, the Leader starts the battle.

The Leader can also make a private room and assign a four digit code to said room. The Leader then just has to inform their friends of the number through some outside means and the nonleader teammates choose the "find specific room" option and type in the code. Now they are a team together.

Both options have worked well for me so far. Lots of fun with people you can directly communicate with. Would love to play with a room full of Keepers to shout RPG commands at each other. (Make this happen DLCon...)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 12, 2016, 02:09:44 PM
The new FF2 Event sounds pretty amazing in terms of new stuff.  Here's what it gives:

-BSBs for Firion, Leon, Maria and Minwu. 
-Guy is a new character, not surprisingly based around Axes.  No clue on skillset yet, that'll be tomorrow!
-Gordon has another Attack + Magic boosting Soul Break.
-Firion can basically use every notable weapon besides guns now, getting Katanas, Fists, Hammers and Rods added to his list.  Also gets Samurai 5, and with his record Dive adding Support 4 and Spellblade 3, he's finally gained "Protagonist" status.  Also boost to several stats.
-Maria gets a magic boost and can use Swords; hey, Magic Swords are suddenly have another user!  Seeing as Ashe has a BSB coming around the corner, there's a good chance another Magic sword is on the way.
-Minwu has better mind and can use Shields...odd he couldn't before.
-Josef gets Support 4...wow, an actual niche over other Monks!
-Leon, Leila and Ricard get attack boosts, Leila also gets a speed boost probably pushing her to 5 Hit Thief's Raid now
-Gordon gets White 4, becoming basically the Support Equivalent of a Paladin, nifty!
-New Black Magic Spelltree confirmed to be added, expected to be the Stone series from FF14, thus a full tree Earth elemental spells, INCLUDING a Chain Stonega at 5*.  Rinoa's, and now Maria's, En-Earth suddenly serves a purpose.  Now we just need the Aero series to finally appear!


It's hard to get excited for FF2 events, but this event does basically fix a lot of FF2's cast problems, and adds a full spell-tree series.  Nifty really.


Also, Wedding Dress Yuna confirmed for a Wardrobe Record, which I think is the first character to get a 2nd Wardrobe Record, and Larsa confirmed as a new character from FF12 which isn't as surprising as people would think (he is kind of the most important Temp PC in FF12 and even appears in the sequel.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 12, 2016, 02:21:45 PM
gonna be real looking at Firionel's buffs that almost puts him at Gilgamesh status for sheer versatility. Gordon also looks like a legitimately good option, especially if you have a relic, so hey it looks like VSM was just came prematurely
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 12, 2016, 02:54:46 PM
Too bad he won't get to enjoy it.

EDIT: Finally completed DU21's Classic dungeons. Level-capped Vincent, currently running Palom/Edea/Seifer/Penelo/Aerith for lulsies on content. Palom/Porom bonus battles also land tonight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 12, 2016, 03:16:13 PM
To be fair, Gordon's been a legit, if kind of unremarkable, PC ever since his buffs.  He worked as FF2's Support character, and the stats/equipment were passable enough.  He just didn't really have anything else going for him beyond some Soul Breaks (Goddess' Bell is pretty good because of the Heroic Harmony-style debuff that stacks with both Breakdowns and Full Break, for example), so you had no reason to use him unless you had Soul Breaks, and FF2 wasn't an area that got much attention, so this is a realm where characters REALLY need to stand out since you aren't using them for Synergy.

This event attempts to fix a lot of that I feel.
Firion's got sheer versatility now which helps a lot, especially post Record Dive, and Gordon's got a legitimately interesting unique build, so they're set.  Leon's one of the few Darkness 5 + Knight 5 combos in the game which is potent of because of Dark Bargain + Saint Cross (offhand, only Seifer, and Golbez can do that too?  Gabranth is only KNight 4 and Garland is oddly only Knight 3.  Of them, only Seifer really competes since Physical Golbez is clearly way worse than Leon at the same role) AND he has a decent equipment draw too.  Maria...well, now Serah's even LESS unique since Maria can use Swords and got a magic boost, meaning they both have the same skillset, and weapon set, just Maria is from a realm with 0 Black Mages besides her, Serah competes with the clearly superior Hope AND Raines (and to a lesser extent, Vanille who has good magic and Black 4, thus can field as a half-decent secondary Black Mage.)
Shields are no longer a joke equip, so Minwu being able to use them makes him a tankier White Mage, and his BSB seems pretty good.  Leila is a 5 hit Thief's Revenge user now, and does more damage; it's not unique but at least makes her appear competitive with other Thieves like Locke, Zidane, etc.  I think she can use Bows and probably now has higher attack than Faris, so there's that.  Josef is a Monk with Breakdowns, don't think we have that yet?  Also further emphasizes that Reddit had me facepalming when they tried to sell Yang as "one of the better Monks!" even though his stats are utterly standard and his moveset is clearly worse than most Monks. 

...sorry, just had to get that off my chest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 12, 2016, 03:24:33 PM
Yda also has Support 4, so they share a niche in that (equip/stat-wise, she has better stats and swords, he has hammers, axes and shields). His selling point over her is the SSB, since AoE damage + 40% mHP healing is a really nifty toy for a dps unit. Regardless, getting Support 4 instantly slaps you into the higher echelon of monk tiers.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 12, 2016, 05:03:42 PM
Beat but didn't master the FF8 Ultimate, since Seifer decided to spam Zantetsuken Reverse until only Gilgamesh was still standing (and by "standing" I mean "mid-Ice Jump so hahahaha fuck you"). Even that took a ton of S/L so I'm probably just going to leave the ice orbs on the table. Seriously doubt Ultima Weapon will be possible without native hastega/wall, but I'll give it a shot. 1 stamina, after all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 12, 2016, 05:16:56 PM
Generally speaking, leaving Seifer for last is a bad idea and should only be done if you're melting faces regardless. Ultima Weapon actually isn't -that- bad, but yeah, you want native Hastega because it's a big dps race.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 12, 2016, 05:27:46 PM
The problem with not leaving Seifer for last was that once he hit 50% and started going nuts Fujin/Raijin would inevitably finish off whoever was left weak from his AOE, wall or no wall.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 12, 2016, 05:45:19 PM
Yda also has Support 4, so they share a niche in that (equip/stat-wise, she has better stats and swords, he has hammers, axes and shields). His selling point over her is the SSB, since AoE damage + 40% mHP healing is a really nifty toy for a dps unit. Regardless, getting Support 4 instantly slaps you into the higher echelon of monk tiers.

Forgot Yda having Support 4, didn't have it on hand to check.  Still, it's a good enough niche that if you have a decent Soul Break for him, he can fit into a team.  Honestly, those two, Jecht (Darkness 5 and Swords), and Snow (Knight 5, also a rare character who can use every single armor class, something I think shared only by 4 other Non-Tyro characters offhand) seem like the only Monks worth a damn.  I guess you can argue a case for Refia since she's a Monk who can use a ranged weapon which is a niche too.  Yeah, there's cool soul breaks like Galuf's invincibility one, but that's too situational for me to consider.

Generally though Monks aren't very good, and you'll notice the ones I mentioned all really rely on some other skillset.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 12, 2016, 06:30:15 PM
The problem with not leaving Seifer for last was that once he hit 50% and started going nuts Fujin/Raijin would inevitably finish off whoever was left weak from his AOE, wall or no wall.

I think the ideal order would go Fujin => Seifer => Raijin, especially since you can troll him to some degree with Blind (waste turns with remedy or evadable physicals) and he's entirely ST. Fujin and Seifer, having AoE and emphasizing magic and unevadable damage, are inherently more dangerous.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 12, 2016, 07:15:28 PM
I killed Raijin before Seifer.  The thing is that while Raijin can be blinded and is entirely ST, Raijin Special ignores Blind and can't miss, and him following up a Seifer attack can be painful if he hits the wrong person.  Gunning down Raijin first when Seifer is in his relatively benign phase has the advantage that you only have to worry about a weak Seifer.

The whole "Raijin is ST Only therefor not a threat!" sounds good to keep him last in theory, but ST damage can still pile up if paired with legit MT damage and is an extra variable to work with.  Blind doesn't stop his best attack, after all.  You can generally get away with less mitigation if you go after Raijin first, since Seifer's also entirely ST before his weak phase IIRC, so you can save a 2nd shot of Wall or whatever for Seifer solo.

ALSO, if you have strong soul breaks, killing Raijin first means you are building up that much Soul Break gauge to help just blast through Seifer's weak phase all the faster.  Going the other way around, you do have more charges honed, but you're still stuck with MT damage complimented by legit ST damage that can lead to a dead PC, and you get more gauge to gun down the weaker character.  I dunno, the claim that Raijin last just doesn't jive with me since you're still dealing with the strong Seifer in some manner but now with extra damage on the side, and again, Blind doesn't completely deal with Raijin (I know I didn't bother.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 12, 2016, 07:40:45 PM
Yeah, which is why I said "to some degree", since Raijin Special mocks Blind. Granted, I killed Seifer last myself, but I probably shouldn't talk about FF8 content difficulty given my current loadout for the realm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 12, 2016, 09:14:01 PM
Granted, I probably shouldn't talk about difficulty in any realm given my current loadout.

Been working on Ultima Weapon last 4 days, still not getting anywhere.  Tried single target Haste, it sucks ass.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 12, 2016, 10:15:17 PM
So I saw Maria got buffed to 154 Magic at level 65, which is the Terra, Rinoa, Rydia, etc. Tier.  This means at level 80, she'll have only 2 magic lower than Serah.  Why do I bring that up?  Because Serah and Maria are so freaking similar.  Maria came first and it felt appropriate, Serah's the headscratcher because she not only came much later, but she had a lot to work with to make her unique but instead just Black 5, White 3.

So I compared the two!  Here's what I came up with:

Maria has +100~ HP, +27 Attack, +9 Def, -2 Mag, +19 Res, +7 Mind vs. Serah at level 80.  Pretty clear who has the advantage there.  especially notable is the +27 Attack meaning Maria can do actual Auto Battle stuff with Bows in the back row.

Then you look at how Maria can use Swords now, meaning she has everything Serah can use equipment wise AND Spears (Dusk Lance hype?!) so she wins on equipment too.

Won't go into Soul breaks since they cover different aspects.  What I can note is Maria is FF2's lone Black Mage, so she's the only one with synergy from that realm should it come up.  Serah has to compete with Hope and Raines, Hope being one of the best Black Mages in game (and one of the best Sages to boot), and Raines has Support 4 and Darkness 5, on top of stats to work with.

Honestly...I'm not sure what they are thinking with Serah.  They've had opportunities to buff her, but it's very clear she needs some major buffs.  It's similar to the Vivi vs. Palom thing I brought up before frankly, even down to the "lone Black Mage of Realm gotten from story vs. character with plenty of competitions in event Only."  Ok, Vivi has Kuja to compete with, but shh!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on May 13, 2016, 02:15:06 AM
100 gem - Elven Bow

3 hits so far on this gem purchase
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 13, 2016, 04:10:36 AM
Bonus fights beaten.

Geryon was straight forward.  Went in with a bunch of Instant Death resistance which ultimately wasn't necessary.  Didn't use anything particularly special, just a lot of beat downs with Terra (Blizzaja/Thundaja wielder), Auron, Vaan, Yuna, and Tyro.   Only notable thing is one reset as a result of targetting Auron before any mitigation and I think Dragoon's Determination killed him.

Cagnazzo...was a bitch.  Really, really dumb fight, not sure how you're expected to do that without like 5 levels of mitigation or one of Indomintable Blade, Runic, or Grand Cross.  His damage is crazy, he can pull water surging out of nowhere and screw you over, and blech.  Luckily, I had Celes' SSB so just a case of getting things together.

My winning team was...

(http://i.imgur.com/PtinN5z.png)
RW: Mighty Guard VIII (for go to Hastega and Heavy Regen; extra Haste to offset slow is nice too)

Some failed runs included:
Auron instead of Vaan using Lifesiphon/Venom Buster.  At first I tried without any Dispel, so Ramza was Magic Breakdowning.  Then realized I need Dispel, so gave Ramza Banishing Blade...oh wait, I need to lower Magic, that won't work, Magic Breakdown goes back on Ramza, and Celes gets Dispel since her damage is less meaningful than Terra's, and she's mostly there for extra Lightning and her SSB utility.   That didn't really work since Ramza is covering 2 important aspects at once: Lightning damage and Magic Breakdown, and I can't have him really alternate.

Vaan subbed in because his SSB means only a little less damage than Auron's, and having someone who can Venom Buster AND Magic Breakdown while still having good damage would help a lot, since I can alternate between the two, and always keep him Magic Broken while trying for Poison.  This frees up a slot for Ramza who can Banishing Blade, letting him do actual damage while dispelling, and Celes can try to sneak in Blizzara Strikes for quicker gauge building.  Seems that was the right call, if my winning team wasn't an indicator.

This is, again, a dumb fight.  If he opens with Water Surging, you're basically SOL since you're scrambling to get Lightning damage up quickly (or getting 3 layers minimum of mitigation) or he nukes you with big Water moves and you die.   Worse is how you have to hit him with Ice damage while he's not surging OR using his shell, which can be a pain.  It's just a really, really dumb fight and ultimately further emphasizes just how bad a realm FF4 stuff is as a whole.  I think it's honestly the dumbest of the Ultimate(+)s thus far.  Other contenders?

Bartandelus was dumb but only because of the idiotic requirement to bring Lightning AND Fang, meaning you're team options are incredibly limited, as are your approaches (want to use Mages to reflect attacks off?  SCREW YOU FANG CAN'T DO THAT!)  The fight itself felt like it wouldn't be so bad if you didn't care about mastery.  Emperor was dumb because of that Starfall RNG req.  Bahamut Sin...well, they basically admitted they screwed that one up when they redid the Turn Reqs for Ultimates because yeah, that was too complicated a fight in the turn limited provided for something like that.

The one saving grace about Cagnazzo is he's an Ultimate+ so it costs 1 Stamina.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 13, 2016, 04:48:34 AM
Uhhhh what

No sorry if you're underpowered Fujin->Seifer->Raijin is NOT going to work. His weak phase DPS is just TOO ridiculous to risk having a Raijin Special go off, even if you've neutralized him otherwise with Blind. It has been a while for me obvi but yeah I don't buy that happening with a peasant build.

Heck I'm not even sure I buy that Seifer before both is really optimal with that damage, but I'd believe it if you're set up to blitz him down before the first SG wears off, and it's certainly conceivably possible.

Re mages getting Aero, I kinda like having that element be the wheelhouse of other classes… or rather, I would if it didn't just mean "use spellblades". Dark being mostly darkness characters with a bit of BM and I think Summon, and Holy being mostly Knight characters and WMs make those elements a lot more interesting. Having Earth only be accessable by say, Samurai, Monk, and Dragoon would make those classes more interesting and give you a real reason to use them against bosses weak to the element, even if you don't have a relic for them. Buuuut given Rinoa and whoever have Enearth SBs I don't think that's feasibly gonna happen.

Also, finally got the Goldfes MC3 and will probably blow that on Cloud because his RM4 is just that good compared to the others. 30% Sword Damage on someone like Bartz who hits the ATK softcap regularly and can use steal power is too sexy for me to pass up. I suspect Sundays will be dedicated to getting Cloud and Buttz to L99 for a bit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 13, 2016, 05:29:48 AM
Well, Aero has appeared as White Magic in a few FF games, namely FF3 and FF14!  Not saying they should do that but there you go.  The fact that we don't have a Wind Elemental summon though is kind of obnoxious; Syldra in FF5 is Wind elemental, but they made it Lightning elemental here because of animation/name.  Ok, fine, but we have 2 other 4* Lightning Summons, and one of them, Ixion, is clearly way better than Syldra, it's a total waste.  Maybe they'll crack down and put Typhon in as a Wind Elemental summon (FF7 being the basis...shut up about it's actual element in that game, I'm convinced that's a labeling mistake), since hey, if Ultros is in, why not him?

I can buy saying Black Mages shouldn't get Wind just as a hole in their options (alongside Holy, albeit a lot of Black Mages get around this anyway either having White 4+ to use Diaga (assuming you have a decent Red stick), or having Summon 4+ for Alexander.  Then there's oddballs like Hope who get a BSB that does Holy damage), albeit Meltdown does have Wind but that's a 2 shot spell that won't be hone-able in forever, so it's an exception.  It's more the fact that Aero has been around in the game forever, and used by enemies, but they seem adamant against releasing it because "we coded it as Blue Magic and we refuse to put in Blue Magic, so SCREW YOU ALL!"  It makes those Wind requirements obnoxious when Mages cannot actually hit wind weakness unless they're like Rinoa and uses WIND SLASH LOLOLOL.  I feel a Wind Summon wouldn't muck with things though; Summons already have so much limiting them as is between scarcity of Summon orbs and their 5 Charges tops, there's no reason to limit the skillset.



That said, I completely agree with your assessment about the Disciplinary Trio, and that was kind of the point I was making.  You don't want to fight Seifer in his Weak phase where he still has a 2nd source of damage that can squeeze hits in, and Blind as I said doesn't solve the problem, just mitigates it some.  You're playing with a lot of variables keeping Raijin alive with Seifer in weak phase; it makes way more sense to gun down Raijin when Seifer's not a threat, so when Seifer IS a threat, he's the only thing you need to worry about.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 13, 2016, 05:35:59 AM
Ah yeah I mean the reasons for it not being put in are dumb, I was speaking more to that it makes for an interesting dynamic in the differences to classes that I wouldn't mind not being fixed and even expanded upon.

Making spells and skillsets faithful to other FF games doesn't really interest me, making the game itself more interesting does. Yes WMs get Aero in FF3 but does giving Wind to WMs make FFRK more interesting? No.

Re Seifer, I should have noted my comments were directed at Snow there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 13, 2016, 02:51:40 PM
@Shale, you need to kill Seifer first with your gear.  Accept the word of one who knows.

And you have no idea how many times I've been this close:

(http://i.imgur.com/VkTyVi3.png)

(the single pixel is from a regen tick when he cast Ultima, he was at no pixels)

I've heard Cagnazzo is worse, so not looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 13, 2016, 03:00:15 PM
I actually really agree with Zenny about the elements being more limited to different jobsets making FFRK itself more interesting and forcing more meaningful decisions. I'm actually not that happy with the new Stone elemental Black Magic line, since it seemed like they were priming Monk to be the new 'best way' to do Earth damage. If Black Magic gets a full Aero line, that kinda kills the small niche that Spellblade/Dragoon had right there.

Now, Meeple's point about tossing Summons some Wind-elemental love makes a lot more sense, but eh... FFRK isn't always perfect. I'm always pretty impressed overall with the game balance and the flavor choices, but every once in a while they do annoying things.

Flipside, I recall seeing that Irvine gets Machinist ranks in his Record Dive? That means that VSM can finally be happy that Irvine gets a gunner-themed skillset (still no Celerity, but honestly Machinist is more fitting anyway as literally all of those skills are Ranged and named "Shot" or "Shell").
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 13, 2016, 03:06:39 PM
Cagnazzo is one -hell- of a dick. I managed to run him through without Wall by virtue of Celes' Indomitable Blade spoiling a lot of his offense and status, but that's -hard- to replicate (I don't think Magic Lure works on status, for instance, and Reflect doesn't work on his AoE sleep, which at least is someone guaranteed to stay awake after it's cast). Zenny worked it out using Carbuncle and Poison, IIRC, but that's pretty risky and I want to say you more or less need Hastega because Tsunami -wrecks shit-. I found the fight a hell of a lot of fun, but I sure as hell wouldn't without uber Runic, and whoever came up with that design is an evil sonuvagun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 13, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
Specifically, Carbunkle, Poison, and Zack/Butts/Tina with Thundara/ga Strike and Thundaja respectively.

It was a bitch but once you get POZN to proc first round it's just a matter of staying alive and cancelling Tsunami. Two WMs and 3 people with Spellblades can do the trick. Still a S/L fest of course (everything fucking is without Hastega or better relics than I had), but honestly I only had two or three goes with POZN proccing early, the vast majority of my SLs were attempts were just trying to get POIZN to proc.

EDIT: I can't stress enough how key cancelling Tsunami is. It got to the point where I would ONLY let the three Thunderfucks take turns immediately after a Cagnazzio turn because otherwise you get caught up a creek without a paddle. POIZN takes care of your DPS (it's pretty good, 9700~ a tick) and Carbunkle neuters the majority of his non-Tsunami damage. I think I still used SG though, just so I didn't run out of Curaga/ja charges before POIZN did my work for me.

Also, feel relieved when this gimmick returns with FFVLeviathan... this time you have 3 turns to cancel Tsunami and you'll literally never see it. Feels good man.

EDIT2:

So now that I'm off of vacation I finally went through and looked at what I could hone. I could get R4 Meteo or FB but honestly 6 charges of both is enough. I decided for getting Chain Blizzaja to R3 and will probably get Chain Firaja to R3 soon.

Chain skills, Hastemarche/other Mag Buffs RWs, and the boost of the Mag Softcap really gave mages a new lease on life. With properly honed Chain skills I can probably justify bringing mages into a battle again! Sure, they may not have great SBs (Terra aside), but SBs matter a lot less when I can easily crank out 15000+ damage PER TURN (vs. weakness ofc) instead of ~20000 damage per SSB charge. My relics make physical characters still outright better, but Mages are on their way back. It's pretty nice actually.

To put this to the test I did the colliseum battles, and mages (especially ones who got synergy, so this was particularly true with the FF4/FF5 fights) really shined there. It's nice to have options again (though I haven't tried the U++ fight for Eiko's event yet, which I have the feeling I'm gonna have to just stick to my A-team for that one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 13, 2016, 10:32:57 PM
OMG I fucking did it.  Went back to my original setup since it was getting closer than any other method I tried.  Only difference was I put Boost on Kimahri and moved Magic Break to Cloud's useless ability slot.  Kept boosting Gilgamesh and Cloud.  Lost two damage medals only.

Lenna (Curaja, Protectga)
Kimahri (Armor Break, Boost)
Cloud (Magic Break, Lifesiphon)
Gilgamesh (Banishing Strike, Saint's Cross)
Zell (Punishing Palm, Lifesiphon)
SG RW

Also just noticed that hinode sabotaged his Stoneskin II RW.  Was wondering why it kept running out so quickly.  No telling how many runs that ruined.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 13, 2016, 11:12:36 PM
SS2/SG duration is fixed, equipment doesn't matter at all. Mind only matters for named status effects (Protect, Haste, Sleep, Paralysis, etc.), not straight stat buffs/debuffs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 14, 2016, 01:16:41 AM
Also just noticed that hinode sabotaged his Stoneskin II RW.  Was wondering why it kept running out so quickly.  No telling how many runs that ruined.

See hinode. The -real- troll was a guy who ran a naked Y'shtola with Medica II.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on May 14, 2016, 01:46:47 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/IqrAAT8l.jpg)

who invented this

Agrias (Hallowed Bolt, Freedom's Wish)

Thundara Strike R5
Banishing Strike R4

Tyro (Last Judgment Grimoire, Devotion)

Swift Bolt R4
Poison Shell R1

Terra (Magitek Missile, Vow of Vengeance)

Thundaja R4
Blizzaja R3

Ramza (Tailwind, Self-Sacrifice)

Lifesiphon R3
Magic Breakdown R4

Garnet (Divine Guardian, Mako Might)

Curaja R4
Shellga R2

Synergy equipment: Mythgraven Blade on Agrias, MAG+30 accessory and Ice Rod++ on Tyro
RW: Indomitable Blade
one more turn from dying, i'm good
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 14, 2016, 02:55:52 AM
SS2/SG duration is fixed, equipment doesn't matter at all. Mind only matters for named status effects (Protect, Haste, Sleep, Paralysis, etc.), not straight stat buffs/debuffs.

Just searched the subreddit and found nothing supporting what you just said.  Whenever it was discussed there was no definitive answer.  My anecdotal evidence over the past 5 days of hundreds of battles with Ultima leads me to believe that it is a thing.  Put some mind gear on your RW.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 14, 2016, 04:18:33 AM
You haven't searched hard enough, that info's pretty clearly spelt on the happypluto .pdf (aka the best, most complete compendium of FFRK mechanics around). It should be on the most recent updates as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 14, 2016, 11:29:39 AM
First place I looked.  Mind in relation to soul breaks is not addressed on there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 14, 2016, 11:49:03 AM
Soul break duration for direct stat modifiers like SG, Heroic Harmony, are listed at 25s, 10s, etc. because their duration is fixed. Page 31 of the current pdf (http://happypluto.com/~misterp/r/ffrk.pdf) then shows how stuff like Protect, Regen, Stop, etc. are modified by mind, but not abilities like Rallying Etude or Power Break. Page 31 only lists abilities and not soul breaks because there are like a million of them that buff or debuff a stat at this point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 14, 2016, 02:05:55 PM
First place I looked.  Mind in relation to soul breaks is not addressed on there.

That's because it's addressed as a set timer. The compendium lists SG's ID (608, DEF+RES, shared by Memento of Protection) and points out its duration at 25s, unaffected by other factors.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 14, 2016, 02:38:20 PM
To be clear, isn't it 25 Seconds based off 3 Battle Speed?  It matters because obviously it'll be more or less based off what speed setting you're at.  I think the general rule is 5 seconds is akin to about 1 turn, assuming no Haste + a standard action.


Anyway, Spring Login Bonuses dropped.  Yay More Mithril!  Also they're actually giving us the free crap from Logres Event we didn't get because seriously that was the dumbest collab event they ever did (we'll probably never see the Soul Breaks they gave there for that matter.)  Free Waterga Strike and Tornado Strike?  I'm game.  Also a free 5* Staff which is more of a 4.5* Staff that gives White Mage a Medica!  I suppose it'll be useful for the upcoming White Mage abyss if you need more White Sticks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 14, 2016, 03:50:19 PM
I was having to recast after three actions (SS2, Saint's Cross, Saint's Cross, Saint' Cross, SS2) to have continuous coverage.  Granted Saint's Cross has a 1.8 second cast time, but even with that and cast time of the RW I wasn't getting 5 actions worth.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 14, 2016, 05:09:59 PM
Considering you said Saint Cross, I'm guessing that means you had a Knight casting the RW, who might just have low enough Speed that it mattered in aggregate?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 14, 2016, 05:19:48 PM
Unhasted Gilgamesh takes about 3.75s to fill up an ATB bar, so 5.55s to use Saint Cross and 6.75 to use an SG RW.

As a rule of thumb 25s buffs like SG, Planet Protector, the attack buff part of Shout, etc. last somewhere between 4-5 turns unhasted and 6-7 turns hasted. Gilgamesh is a bit on the slow side and SC has a slightly longer charge time than usual, so Cap's experience sounds about right.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 14, 2016, 07:50:53 PM
Still not my original point though, that different RWs were lasting different amounts.  If I'm using the same actions every battle and getting different results...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 14, 2016, 08:18:25 PM
You're not, that's likely perceptive bias and some lore inaccuracy in viewing what constitutes a turn (as well as those numbers being adjusted for differing battle speeds and lack of precise numbers for non-3 speed). For a turn to be five seconds, a character has to be 150 Speed and use an action with 1.5 CT, and that's -without- accounting for human input delay. An actual turn off 150 speed is closer to six seconds in practice, and Gilgamesh is actually well below that - he's likely to barely get four actions unhasted under SG/SSII at L80. In fact, -most- characters will get less than five turns unhasted under SSII/SG, since the majority of the cast has below 150 Speed and relevant casting times above 1.5 seconds.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 15, 2016, 12:36:29 AM
So we get free stuff from the Spring Log-in bonus, and a certain someone who loves to complain about EVERYTHING found a way to be negative about free stuff.

Free Rune staff?  Worthless Core Synergy for a Core character, no one should be fond about this!
-Ignores that this could be the best Mind weapon for a number of players (Not everyone is so lucky), and this will be useful in the upcoming White Mage Abyss.  Failing that, it's basically a free Rosetta Stone otherwise.

Free Tornado strike? ONLY # CHARACTERS CAN USE IT BESIDES TYRO USELESS!
-Ignores that worst case scenario, you can break the free skill into a few free Major Orbs, so you can view it as free Major Wind, Black and Power Orbs.  Branching from that, it's still good if you intend to use one of Bartz, Squall, and Celes (in my case, I have one for all three, and even Bartz's Air Knife AND Oath Veil, so I can give it quite a boost)


It really is amazing how he can hate on everything.  Like I get when he's angry about someone being buffed that doesn't need it or someone getting a perk when others need it, that's fair but then he also misses the forest in spite of the trees.  Case in point, Braska's Event.  What does he complain about?

Why did YUNA get spotlighted on this event instead of like Kimhari or Wakka!?  Oh I dunno, it's not like Yuna is the daughter of the new character or anything.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 15, 2016, 05:27:22 AM
If nothing else this discussion has taught me things about the ATB system I never really cared to learn. I actually didn't realize that SC had a significantly longer cast time than other skills, though to be fair I didn't start using the skill until the Hastega age.

Blah I have to do Omega, the FF9 U+ AND U++ bosses today because I have a busy day at work tomorrow. Hopefully this doesn't take up a significant portion of my day.

EDIT: U+ Kraken down, pretty easy with my FF9 synergy. 
Steiner (SCross, ISpell)
Beatrix (Curaja, ISpell), Dr. Mog's Teachings. With her BSSB she used her skill slots exactly 0 times.
Bartz (Drain Strike, ISpell)
Tyro (Hi Weak Polka, Hi Unfaith), Mako Might
Relm (Esuna, Curaja)
Shout RW

Imperil Holy makes my knights sooooo much better and they were already amazing. One S/L because I misread the conditions that U+ Kraken unlocks U+Waterga; you want to keep both tentacles alive, not kill them. This also made Steiner's SSB unusable since keeping Beatrix in Burst mode was more important, and two Beatrix BSSBs + 1 Steiner Climhazzard killed the tentacles, so something to keep in mind there. Otherwise the fight was really easy, I brought Esuna in case of Ink and it only ever showed up on the last turn and didn't matter at all. I could make changes to the setup but honestly I got full medals anyway so whatever.

U++ Zorn/Thorn abomination up next.

Spent a little more time on setup with this one, and calculations. Zack's back in because I need wall. Basically built Beatrix up to where she surpasses the softcap with Dragoon's Determination alone (493 base) and wouldn't need boosting, Built Bartz a bit more for MDEF since he surpasses the Softcap (406 base) after Steal Power, and Zack hits it after one Water of Strength (460 base). This should free up Relm to heal most of the time and won't really need to keep boosting up. Tyro's still got the dances on but this time he's using Break Fever instead of High Weak Polka. And awaaaaaaaay we gooooooo~

... one reset because I misclicked Relm's Ultros SB instead of Lakshmi's Blessing and let SG lapse. >_< Other than that, not so bad. Zack and Bartz ate it to counters at the end and that cost me mastery, but honestly the mastery rewards are 30 of each upgrade mat and uuuuuugh I don't care. Done. Not an obnoxiously hard fight, but I don't wanna S/L again for Scarletite and Adamantite.

I suppose Omega's up next after I take a break.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 15, 2016, 01:18:10 PM
Misclicking Soul Breaks is the worst.  It's what taught me to only have soul breaks you know are going to be useful there.  In my case, I once used Yuna's Grand Summon I instead of Hymn of the Fayth.  I think it was on Bahamut Sin to boot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 15, 2016, 01:42:50 PM
Yeah, I wish hitting optimize didn't refill your SBs with junk, I always forget to clear them out afterwards and it's really annoying and adds to my input delay in the best case.

Anyway, Omega was a joke. It took me several tries just planning out the exact right loadout, but once I got that figured out the actual battle itself was a matter of rolling dice and hoping that 1) Bartz, Zack, and Tyro evaded blind, 2) Relm went before Reflect, and 3) Stop never missed twice in a row. I did craft Ixion to R5 as a precaution because I am sitting on literally THOUSANDS of orbs at this point due to diligent farming, but that ended up being probably unnecessary. In any case, I had like 2+1 Waifus in the battle, and that's always a plus. Anyway, the loadout:

Tina (R5 Thundaja, R5 Ixion), Devotion, MAG 518
Zacks (R1 Full Charge, R5 Thundara Strike), Sword Damage 1.2x, Silver Spectacles, ATK 532
Butts (R5 Indoor Spell, R5 Thundaga Strike), Dagger Damage 1.2x, Cloud's Goggles, ATK 539
Shitbrat (R3 Dispel, R3 Full Break), Dr. Mog's, Goddess Pendant, ATK 413
Rirumu (R3 Face, R5 Stop), Mag down Mind Up RM, Mind 512
Ramza Shout RW

Dispel was to help mitigate dice rolling in case Relm went after Omega put reflect up. Everyone has synergy here, so equips only matter in that you have good 5* equips and something to block blind for your spellblades. Terra was dealing 9500 x2 with Ixion after Faith, and 9999x flat with Thundaja regardless. Bartz and Zack hit around 9000 or so each after shout, and a little bit more after Fullbreak and Tyro's BSSB Defense Debuff.

Relm was MVP by far, and this battle marks the first time I've used stop on a high MND character instead of on some BM schmuck to hit mastery requirements. Turns out with 512 x 1.2 = 614 Mind Stop lasts at least two turns hasted (never had to find out if it was more), which gave me a free turn to Faith up Terra to boost her Ixion damage after the initial stop. Having stop proc before Reflect is ideal mostly because that reflect is scripted, and if you do miss two stops in a row (or the stop right after faith), then all I had to do was dispel with Tyro and move on.

Ixion at R3 or R4 would probably have sufficed, honestly. I had 2-3 charges of my Thundara/ga strikes left and almost a full charge on both Zack and Bartz's SBs which would have made up for the loss of 10-20k damage for not having those hones. Oh well, its not like I was saving those orbs for anything. Chain Thundaga when it comes? Frankly thanks to Ix that's not as much of a priority as Chain Blizzaga or Chain Firaga, and I already decided I don't really need FB past R3.

Anyway, glad to have these fights done so I can move on. In levelling news, Bartz broke 90 and Cloud is at 85, I may just use eggs on him to harvest his organ. U+ Kraken also netted me another MC3, so I'm thinking I may use that on Terra or Ramza soon. The FF2 event will probably provide me with another one anyway so I may as well do both.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 16, 2016, 02:13:15 PM
So, after level-capping Seifer and Edea yesterday, today is shoring up Elite DU21. Only two FF7 dungeons left, really. The nice thing about having native Shout and a bunch of SSBs is that I can just slap Ramza and Lifesiphon Lightning/Bartz onto whatever composition I have and ez modo it up. FF3 event's also landing tonight, but my interest in it besides the 10 Mythril it provides is frankly limited.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 16, 2016, 05:44:29 PM
Yeah, the only thing that interests me in the FF3 Event is typical "new event!" scenario, meaning 10 more Mithril, bunch more 4/5* Orbs, and 2 banners to throw 100 Gems at in hopes of getting pleasantly surprised (hey, I got a fair amount of 5*, including 2 SSB weapons, from doing 100 Gem draws, so yes, that is meaningful for me!)

It just doesn't offer much in the way of anything else though.  Synergy that only really matters on rare dungeon updates with FF3 (I think FF3 has more dungeon content coming anyway), Thursdailies which are a joke outside of Petrify (something synergy doesn't help much with anyway), and...well, that's it.  And the new PC, Desch, is unique but not in a way that makes him actually noteworthy. 

Now watch, after all this whining, I'll pull a Desch relic and finally get the a Mage Sword I always wanted and I'll be forced to eat my words >_>
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 16, 2016, 05:55:02 PM
I've pulled 5 stars from like the last 3 100 gem draws I've done (Seifer's Coat, FFIV knife, Rydia's Mystic Whip neat new tool (mage SSB/MT SSB) for the kit) so I mean... I have to assume that's going to balance out soon.  Still need to finish out the FFIV event too, but I put that off in part because whee new SSB for in-realm character let's learn that first so not super worried.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 17, 2016, 03:30:10 AM
Cap broke Terra, Tyro's next with the crystal from the FF2 event, then Ramza next week. It's weird having characters I like in my farming parties again.

Also, Devotion is Mag+20% right? If so, Terra's RM4 is a flat upgrade and I am fine with that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 17, 2016, 04:10:56 AM
Devotion is +20% for -10% Def/Res, yeah.

Started the FF3 Event.  100 Gem pull got me crap, etc.  It's amazing just how much I don't care about this event beyond just getting it done. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 17, 2016, 04:41:42 AM
I quite like FF3, so I am doing an 11-pull. The fact that there's not much for FF3 synergy helps in its niche cases and for Thursdaily at least.

And... Four shiny 5-stars! Arc's SSB, Desch's Enthunder sword, Ingus' LH clone shield, and a shared Medica FF3 hat! All actually useful! At least situationally. Having another Shared Medica will help with Cid's missions for sure. Ingus gives me a 5* Knight with Hastega should I be running a mixed or Shoutless team. Enthunder spellblader and another healer SSB are just cool no matter what.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 17, 2016, 07:53:16 AM
Arc's SSB is also basically Lakshmi's Blessing isn't it? If so you basically have yourself a locked in Healer right there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 17, 2016, 10:37:45 AM
I haven't looked at it too closely but the description seems to say that it adds Shell and major Regen (yay!) and Magic Blink (uh okay), but doesn't actually do any direct healing (boo...). Kinda meh for a healer SSB. Vanille's is certainly stronger. Hell, Yuna's regular SB might be more useful? Luckily I also pulled that Shared Medica hat so I can still have him fling Medicas off his newly boosted Mind stat from the SSB mastery!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 17, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
Arc's SSB frankly works better if you're running him as a Summoner, making use of his newly-mint 5*. You don't need that much MND on those buffs due to Regen and Shellga having gross base duration. Nice way to save slots, though, and Magic Blink will only increase in usefulness from here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 17, 2016, 01:25:32 PM
Magic Blink can actually be really clutch sometimes, too. Especially if you luck out on another one at some point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 17, 2016, 03:20:08 PM
Magic Blink is a top-tier side effect for SBs in general. It's just that it's not worth it at this point when all the SB does is Magic Blink (i.e. Kimahri's Mighty Guard).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 17, 2016, 11:31:24 PM
Beat garuda and Odin.  Odin is a joke since Physical Mitigation = lol.  Garuda is STUPID because it basically took all the design decisions they've been implementing for a while to get around the "boss goes first, murders you before mitigation lol" like forcing bosses to use specific actions on turn 1, or holding off their scary stuff to an HP Threshold, etc.  It's stuff that only really kicked in for multi-part boss fights ala Disciplinary Comittee or Bahamut Sin where it's hard to avoid working around that barring just having 3 enemies waste their first turn due to their nature (so I'm a little more forgiving in those instances.)

Garuda?  If he focuses 2 basic physicals...in a fight the game goes "USE MAGICAL MITIGATION!!!" no less, on one character from the outset, good chance that's an instant reset.

It honestly only helps solidify my thoughts that FF3 and FF4 are the worst designed realms in the game.  I'm glad that we won't have to worry about FF3 like every again until more dungeon content drops, and FF4 has only one more event down the line in the near future (ok, there Tuesdailies and Thursdailies, but those aren't exactly hard content so...)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 18, 2016, 05:26:33 AM
Ultimate Emperor down, was garbage. Ultimates have been for a while though.

U+ Lamia was more interesting. She's the first in what I assume will be a line of U+ bosses designed to force you to use mages. She has really high evasion to begin with, and starts the battle by casting Blink 16 on herself, making it impossible to hit her with physicals.

Uuuuuuunfortunately, Full Break and Lifesiphon can't miss. So that didn't really work out. I brought the usual suspects, the only thing I did differently was put Zell's RM1 on Relm so she could cast Reflect on Lamia before she got Blink 16 out, so things like Saint's Cross and Beatrix's BSSB replacement skills could hit. Had a shout RW, so in hindsight I should have brought Basch instead of Zack for his physical blink SSB, but oh well.

Her statuses were super obnoxious though, and I had more than a few SLs due to getting status locked right at the end of the fight. Confusion was bad enough, but an MT Sleep physical on top of that was just mean. Eventually I got lucky with not getting slept/confused right as my BSSBs were aboug to go off, so that's nice.

U++ Dark Knights look like they're begging for me to hone Alexander to R5 and rock their socks off with summons and dances. Of course, I would be remiss if I didn't bring Beatrix in to use her BSSB against a group of Holy weak enemies, soooo‥

Bartz may actually sit this one out? For like the first time since I got his BSSB. Dude needs a break, I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 18, 2016, 05:56:00 AM
The Lamia Queen thing I don't think has anything to do with the "force you to use Mage" thing and is more an extension of how she fought in FF2 proper, and honestly it's why she was notable in FF2, enough that she was the first boss to get the 2nd Boss theme in remakes, pretending she was important (well, I guess she's technically the game's equivalent to Cagnazzo, making her basically the 3rd most important boss in the game...talk about damning praise...)

She'd use Blink XVI as her opening move usually, which kills your physical damage as you'd expect, and physicals in FF2 are your primary damage on ST, and unlike most anti-physical bosses before her, she has no elemental weakness, so you can't hit her with 4x damage spells to blast past it.  What follows is a boss fight that actually feels like a boss fight, not a "do you have this elemental spell? If yes, you win!"  I think she even had a few status spells to boot so she could muck you up.


Ultimate Bosses do take liberties but they try to capture the original boss fight to some degree at least, if there's something there.  Refer to Cagnazzo as an obvious example of a boss who follows the same basic gimmick as the original, just expanded upon.  Or Beatrix who actually has a chance to use her HP -> 1 as a real attack and not a plot finisher, and it's built around "how do you handle this?" 


Also, Full Break ignores evade?  Didn't know that.  I knew Lifesiphon did, but didn't know about Full Break.  Good to know nonetheless!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 18, 2016, 06:01:24 AM
If Full Break doesn't ignore evade I just got really lucky.

Considering how they're actively beefing up mages with the swath of Faithga SBs, the Chain Aga skills being released (each time with at least enough major orbs of the corresponding element to get it to R2 right away), and whatnot, I would bet that I am gonna see more bosses that encourage me to bench my physical characters and go more mage heavy. If this does start to be the case I am going to be obstinate about it and not use mages if I can help it.

EDIT: Lucky Draw that guarantees a stat-up relic dropped.

I got Beatrix's Rose of May. Well, it's a FF9 Bracer at least. May as well have her master it too, no reason not to. It may even see use when I'm not using a wall RW!

EDIT2:

U++ Dark Knights down. My intuition was right, sort of.

Party:

Terra (Valefor, Alexander, both R5), Dualcast Summon
Beatrix (R4 Banish Raid, R4 Indoor Spell), Actions->+SB Gauge
Shitbrat (R2 Break Fever, R4 Hi-Weak Polka), Dr. Mog's
Basch (R3 Saint's Cross, R5 Indoorspell), Dragoon's Determination
Penelo (R3 Faith, R5 Curaja), Actions->+SB Gauge.
Shout RW.

Brought Penelo instead of Relm because I figured the extra holy damage would help. It didn't matter, in fact I should have brought Relm for the regen. Other changes, Terra should have had Devotion (or her RM4 but I'm pretty far from getting that) instead of Dualcast; Dualcast never went off, and the knights' MDef was high enough that the MAG boost would have helped.

That said, the fight is as thus: Three waves (ala Galbadia Soldiers in FF8 events), each time 3x Regular DKs and 1 Stronger DK. Wave 1 went down to a couple Alexanders, with Beatrix and Basch charging SBs on the strong one. Wave 2's normal knights got OHKO'd by Beatrix's SSB, and I took the opportunity to heal up and refresh Shout before offing the Strong DK with Basch's SSB to give me Physical Blink (the knights are pure physical). Wave 3 obviously was the hardest, with the knights having the most HP. Here, I actually targetted down the normal knights (easy after Beatrix got off her second BSSB). Saved Break Fever for the last wave, wasn't really necessary for the two before it. Hi Weak Polka was really clutch, though, and after Beatrix's self defense buff was up I wasn't really ever in any danger of dying (well, I was, but then Basch got off his second SSB. Physical Blink, man, it's sexy). Cleared with only one medal loss for damage.

This fight would have been a lot more obnoxious, and I would daresay even impossible without Beatrix's SSB. Or rather, I would have had to do a lot more thinking. Probably would have re-rolled RWs until I got Celes' BSSB, had Zack/Terra/Basch/Mog/Relm, and had Zack mostly use the attacks granted by Celes' BSSB (they're holy+ice/fire 4x strikes) while relying on Terra for crowd control and saving turns until Basch could use his SSB to take me through to the next wave. It's... certainly possible, but it would have been a lot uglier, and I almost certainly wouldn't have bothered with mastery (as stated before, the rewards suck, which I am fine with).

That said, fairly well designed fight that you can think and plan your way through given the nature of it. The one strong knight isn't actually any stronger damage-wise than his comrades, just has more HP, almost as if he exists purely to give you breathing room to prepare for the next wave. I just happened to have a "skip all fights with holy weakness" button handy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 18, 2016, 10:04:44 AM
Stat bust lucky banner: Sazh's Caltrop Bomb and Leon's HotE. My first SBs for either PC and they are outdated but usable. Especially HotE since it stacks with Shout!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 18, 2016, 12:00:52 PM
Full Break doesn't ignore evade if the Lamia Queen vids I saw were any indication. Her evade gimmick is also a smart and underused way to spoil Banishing Blade by proxy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 18, 2016, 12:48:58 PM
Yeah, won't lie, my initial plan was Banishing Blade. It went exactly as you would have expected. I suppose I just got lucky with Full Break always hitting, cuz that snek's evade is naturally high af. Saint's Cross regularly only ever got one hit off, to the point where I stopped bothering and focused on SB spam.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 18, 2016, 12:58:25 PM
Dropped Cagnazzo, missing only one actions medal. That and the ultimate are both super luck based with all the status you have to avoid (especially slow), but once things fell into place it worked out pretty handily. Although for the U that meant S/L'ing over and over until I got a run where the counter stun never landed outside of times when I was about to refresh Shout anyway.

Agrias (R4 Lifesiphon/R4 Thundara Strike, Battleforged)
Rydia (R2 Carbuncle/R4 Thundaga, Attunement 2)
Gilgamesh (R4 Ice Jump/R4 Lightning Jump, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
Lenna (R2 Shellga/R4 Diaga, Knight's Charge)
Ramza (R3 Venom Buster/R4 Banishing Blade, Holy Knight's Pride)
RM Shout
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 18, 2016, 01:58:21 PM
Dropped Cagnazzo, missing only one actions medal. That and the ultimate are both super luck based with all the status you have to avoid (especially slow), but once things fell into place it worked out pretty handily. Although for the U that meant S/L'ing over and over until I got a run where the counter stun never landed outside of times when I was about to refresh Shout anyway.

Agrias (R4 Lifesiphon/R4 Thundara Strike, Battleforged)
Rydia (R2 Carbuncle/R4 Thundaga, Attunement 2)
Gilgamesh (R4 Ice Jump/R4 Lightning Jump, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
Lenna (R2 Shellga/R4 Diaga, Knight's Charge)
Ramza (R3 Venom Buster/R4 Banishing Blade, Holy Knight's Pride)
RM Shout

My man. Doin it the Zenny way.

Edit: The fuck? There's a lightning jump now? When did we get that?

Must have been since the last time I paid attention to dragoons… way back in the Freya release event. ○_○
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 18, 2016, 02:26:14 PM
Lightning Jump actually dates from -way- back, it came around on Lightning's MC2 event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 18, 2016, 02:40:59 PM
Huh... I must have only ever needed Ice and Wind when I was still using Gilgamesh, then. I don't remember that at all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 18, 2016, 06:00:18 PM
Welp, time for the Wednesday/Thursday lull. I really should stop finishing events on Tuesday, leaving them for the day with the crappy backup orb, but at this point I have a ton of Black orbs and little to use them on.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 18, 2016, 10:02:15 PM
I'm stockpiling black orbs for the chain spells. It takes 60 MBO to hone each one to R3, and I definately want to hone Chain Blizzaga/Firaga/Thundaga. Probably Chain Waterga too assuming we get one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 18, 2016, 11:34:07 PM
Cagnazzo down finally.  Weird fight, super susceptible to Runic-type abilities so if you've got that and a source of Hastega it's just a matter of shuffling the first two or three turns until you get one where
- Your Runic triggers before he decides to Triple Watera or something
- He doesn't drop Slowga immediately after you Haste up
- He gathers water on turn 1 so you can blast the first on apart and get set up while he's getting another turn.

Deeply silly.  Different at least.  And it doesn't feel quite as awful and Geryon for sheer RNG.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 19, 2016, 12:24:02 AM
I'm stockpiling black orbs for the chain spells. It takes 60 MBO to hone each one to R3, and I definately want to hone Chain Blizzaga/Firaga/Thundaga. Probably Chain Waterga too assuming we get one.

Well, yes, but we have two orbfests before that and I'm already sitting on nearly a thousand 3* BOs, over a hundred GBOs and 61 MBOs. I'm pretty confident I can get at least one or two of those 5*s reasonably honed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 19, 2016, 01:17:05 AM
Yeah uh there's not really a pressing need to be stockpiling for content 6 months from now, especially since Greater orb event rewards start being your main source of orb income somewhere around the most recent orbfest.

Not to advocate not farming but worring about honing chain skills now in global is something crazy people do.

Right up there with making accounts "for your brother's ipad" and then just playing a second global account.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 19, 2016, 01:20:14 AM
Well sure, but why hone just 1 or 2 of them when you could R3 all of them ASAP? Maybe I'm just being greedy.

Personally I've found that I can do the entire pre-Ultimate part of an event just on Monday evening and Thursday post-work, so there's no reason (save impatience) not to farm Tuesdaily and Wednesdaily full time every week there isn't an orbfest or something like that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 19, 2016, 01:54:27 AM
I've decided that given the way DeNA likes to say "Screw you, here's a new random event!" that stops me from doing meaningful content, I'm going to ignore Dailies for a while and just do dungeon content until they're all done so I can get those out of the way finally, thus focus entirely on dailies and grinding when Events are done!

...anyway, finished everything but FF13 stuff, which I have 6 more elites left. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 19, 2016, 02:08:28 AM
Oh yeah, I'd definately prioritize story dungeons over literally any daily. They're better even if you look at it purely in terms of orbs:stamina, let alone the mythril and stamina shards. Oh yeah, and the fact that dungeons have actual gameplay content instead of mindless farming.

...this reminds me of one guy on reddit who made a thread asking about stamina efficiency w/ dailies, who said in the comments that he doesn't do any story dungeons because he didn't care about stamina shards *or* orbs *or* Mythril. Which made you wonder why the hell he even bothers with dailies.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 19, 2016, 02:37:55 AM
Farming dailies with sub-90 stamina sounds like the spawn of fucking Satan, for starters. Reddit houses some really scary people.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 19, 2016, 03:11:30 AM
Personally I've been doing Wednesdaily lately because I am painfully low on Lightning orbs (and Wind never hurts either).  Still have to do FF4 Ultimates tomorrow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 19, 2016, 03:25:18 AM
I mean let me be clear I still farm religiously because I got problems, just saying saving for Chain Agas isn't a good excuse.

Also Thursdaily worst daily. Even Mondaily is better.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 19, 2016, 03:29:36 AM
Right up there with making accounts "for your brother's ipad" and then just playing a second global account.

I did that literally only for the Lucky Draw chain days, he said he didn't like the game anymore, and I just dropped it.  My mom still plays like once a day though, so there's that.



So, I only have five of the currently-released RMs left to get: Ingus's RM3 (+20% Defense with Shield), Edea's RM2 (+10% Magic with Thrown), Palom's RM2 (Ace Pilot Clone), Porom's RM2 (+20% Mind with Staff), and Vanille's RM2 (Double the effect of Garnet's RM2).  Of those, I have to wait on Vanille's until Cait Sith's event, because I'm out of MC2 lodes and I don't want to spend any more Ghysahl Greens.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 19, 2016, 01:30:41 PM
Farming dailies with sub-90 stamina sounds like the spawn of fucking Satan, for starters. Reddit houses some really scary people.

Also people with lots of really weird logic.

For example, a large number of redditors wave this "Celes for Ultimate MVP because of Magic Shield!!!" hype like mad, and then at the same time, go "Yuna's SSB is pretty blech" even though Yuna's SSB is literally Magic Shield with notable AoE damage attached.  Sure, she's usually twinked for mind, but even if it did just like 4k damage, that's 4k damage Celes' Default doesn't do.  Sorry, but you can't go screaming one SB is awesome when a Clearly Superior SB is useless.

Likewise, they froth at the mouth over Cecil's BSB because the En-holy + Holy damage!  Then go "meh, Tidus' BSB isn't that good, bad entry level damage"...uh, Cecil's entry level damage is no better than Tidus', and it's not a given that you'll have Basch's Shield to compliment Cecil's BSB.  Also, Tidus' BSB isn't anywhere near as screwed by Water resistance since it's Water/Non as Cecil is by Holy resistance, since Tidus AT WORST loses 33% damage, while Cecil can lose anywhere from 50% to all his damage if Holy is resisted.  Granted, Cecil's does boost Saint Cross, which is really the main thing it has going for it over Tidus', but to pretend one is GODLIKE while the other is meh...yeah, I don't buy it.

And I'm pretty sure a few people hyped Yang as one of the best Monks, even though stat wise he's nothing special (maybe he's the best here but it's not by a margin that matters), his SB(s) are pretty standard (as opposed to, say, Zell who gets an instant SSB that also gives a strong self-buff), and his skillset is average at best for a Monk (several most Monks have Combat 5/Monk 5, he has Celerity 3, but there are many with Celerity 4, plus people like Jecht with Darkness 5, Yda w/ Support 4, or Snow's Saint Crossetc), and no real stand out gimmicks like Yda's swords, Refia's throwing weapons, or Jecht's legitimate variety.  Nope, YANG IS ONE OF THE BEST!

Then there was the person who said using Hand of the Victor on Cagnazzo Ultimate+ to get the Ice req to free up space.  So let me get this straight; let's use our Record Materia slot for the CHANCE to turn the action you'd never do otherwise to hit a weakness, in a fight that is HEAVILY RNG DEPENDENT?  Am I reading that right?

I find Reddit best used for finding objective info and humor things (FFRK Experience is hilarious), but their opinions can get a little off the wall.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 19, 2016, 01:36:05 PM
I don't have the time nor the crayons to explain to you why default SBs are held to a different standard than SSBs.

Also, ignoring skillsets, you are going to fight waaaaaay more holy-weak bosses than Water-weak bosses. Including skillsets, you already explained why Cecil's BSB gets more hype than Teeda's.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 19, 2016, 02:08:24 PM
It's not the Default vs. SSB thing, it's the fact that people were acting like Yuna's doesn't have any real use and pretending it was complete garbage when obviously if you DID get it, it'd be straight up better than Celes, but they chose to hand wave that.  Heck, the argument when someone called them out wasn't even "well, Celes' SB is something you WILL have if you have the character, Yuna's there's a good chance you won't" nor was it a case of "suggesting people use Celes' SB and not Yuna's" because of that; it was people hand-waiving Yuna's as "useless" while holding Celes' to this "be all end all answer to all Ultimates!" level.

Basically, it wasn't "it's unimpressive for an SSB", it was just handwaived as straight up unimpressive period.  Cloud's Blade Beam is Unimpressive for an SSB, for example, but as a general Soul Break, it's still stronger (elemental concerns aside) than any non-SSB and AoE, so you can't argue it's a BAD Soul Break.  The context was in regards to banners and people were comparing it to Soul Breaks in general; if it was compared to other SSBs, that'd be a different story.  If you go argue it's not worth pulling for, ok, fair, but to just go "nope, it's bad!" is completely different.

also, the Holy Weak thing is something that they never brought up, it was all "OMG EN-HOLY ON A PURE HOLY SKILLSET!"  To put another way, Tidus clearly outdamages Cloud's BSB, pretty notably too and doesn't rely on RNG the way Cloud's does, but they hyped Cloud as having a superior BSB to Tidus, using "entry level damage lol" as the excuse even though Cecil has the exact same issue, and while there are more Holy weak enemies, they're still a minority and thus if Cloud's BSB > Tidus' on average enemy, the same argument applies to Cecil; you can argue to a lower extent, but it's still there.


What I'm saying is even if they have a good premise, they are awful at defending it since their reasons are bull****.  Frankly, your "Holy weak enemy" thing is a better defense than what they were using, as they were assuming things like Basch's Shield.  Curiously, what weapon gave Cecil his BSB?  It's important because if it was Excalibur, that'd be a +20% boost right there that I don't think Tidus gets, which yeah, would be another point in it's favor...a point they conveniently didn't bring up as well.  Yes, they put greater emphasis on Basch's Shield than the fact that there's multiple Excaliburs boosting Holy damage running around.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 20, 2016, 01:17:05 AM
Uninstalled.  These Ultimates are driving me nuts and I can't just skip them because I feel like I'll be hurting down the road if I do.  Better if I just don't play so I don't break my phone in half.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 20, 2016, 03:15:01 AM
Sadface. I liked CmdrKing's posts. Hope you'll at least keep posting about your other mobile game experiences - FFBE and KH and such.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 20, 2016, 03:29:45 AM
Uninstalled.  These Ultimates are driving me nuts and I can't just skip them because I feel like I'll be hurting down the road if I do.  Better if I just don't play so I don't break my phone in half.

Sucks. I had a lot of fun reading your posts on the game. But hey, it's healthier for you this way.

Anyhow, done with FF3's bonus battles. They're very straightforward, but suckass synergy = I'm playing it completely safe. THIS SAID, I nabbed Arc's Holy Wand from the 100-gem draw, which is both a neat addition to my WM arsenal and a welcome surprise for the upcoming White Mage Nightmare. Anyhow!

Leviathan U

L80 Lightning (Lifesiphon/Thundaga Strike)
L65 Arc (Shellga/Curaja)
L80 Bartz (Armor Break/Lifesiphon)
L80 Gilgamesh (Banishing Strike/Saint Cross)
L80 Ramza (Full Break/Magic Breakdown)

SG RW

Suddenly, his doubleact buffing isn't so evil when I'm dealing damage while dispelling. No petrifying physicals also eases on the pressure. Very straightforward, just keep mitigation up, use Banishing Strike when needed and you're set.

Bahamut U+

Well, this is dicier. Wind weakness helps, but those HP thresholds unlock absolutely insane offense over time and there's only so much offense you can pull off with limited synergy, so I went full-on upper class.

L65 Y'shtola (Power Breakdown/Protectga)
L65 Arc (Shellga/Curaja)
L80 Lightning (Aerora Strike/Lifesiphon)
L80 Bartz (Armor Break/Lifesiphon)
L80 Ramza (Magic Breakdown/Full Break)

HotE RW

Once again, straightforward. I brought Y'shtola with a Breakdown to ensure maximum mitigation, which paid off, since Bahamut also has AoE physicals and they do add up. Late in the fight, the Flares get pretty nasty, but Arc's RES +50% on his healing was a nice padding breather (lowered Flare to a low 2HKO when SSII was down between refreshes). I used three charges of SSII here, which... yeah, pretty much says it all. If you lack native Hastega or Wall, your life will be sorta miserable unless you have a lot of offense to compensate.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 20, 2016, 03:53:09 AM
Leviabeetus Ultimate beaten!
Team:
(http://i.imgur.com/VfXqtLR.png)

RW was Magitek Infusion.  Didn't want to bother with Dispel, so I went with Reflect strategy instead.  Worked well outside of Blood of the Espers proccing and randomly smacking someone else.  It did proc later in the fight when he lost reflect and he did get hasted but by then the fight was under control, so whatever.  Mage meta worked well is what I'm saying.


Mage Meta does not work on Bahamut due to his resistance to all status, and how it basically begs for a bunch of physical tricks, including the one element magic can't hit so...

(http://i.imgur.com/C8f95mb.png)

RW: Shout.

Took me a few attempts.  First was trying without Shout but HotE instead.  I realized by the time Mega Flare dropped, my DPS wasn't high enough, ok then.  Next few attempts, I just try to learn the timing of Mega Flare and realize Bartz needs to fire off Veil of Annulment before Auron's 2nd Banishing Strike and Vaan's first Pyroclasm, and I need to have a HotF in queue for response.  Ultimately, Mega Flare is just too hard to control and Sentinel Grimoire isn't reliable.

...then I smack myself realizing the answer is obvious: Give Vaan Magic Breakdown.  Thief's Raid isn't damaging enough on him (only 4 hits), and Magic Breakdown would allow control over both Flare and Mega Flares.  On top of this, I swapped Bartz's Dismissal for Armor Break mostly because I figure the slight damage boost it gives overall would offset Dismissal's advantages.  Anyway, the winning run is what I showed above and yes, my Synergy basically amounted to 2 4* items, one of which didn't get used against Bahamut.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 20, 2016, 03:54:46 AM
Yeah I eventually had to give up on Bahamut U+, even with all my wind damage at the time it just wasn't happening for basically all the reasons you just said.

Also sorry to hear is Capn but yeah if it's just frustrating no reason to keep playing. We'll always have Fallen London.

ps thx 4 cat
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 20, 2016, 04:30:31 AM
Bahamut is interesting because he's so straight forward and simple in approach, being just a lot of damage, exploitable weakness, and 2 thresholds you need to keep in mind with a DPS Race at the end, and of course gets stronger at an HP Threshold.  The difference of course between Bahamut U+ and other similar fights is chances are, your synergy in FF4+ is somewhat better than your synergy in FF3.   Heck, I consider myself having shit FF4 synergy, but at least I had a 4++ Dagger, and a 4++ Robe, and I think there are other 4* Items you can get and possibly fuse for makeshift FF4 Synergy.

I guess it's a fight that you can argue is checking how you handle something when your stats are somewhat lower, since you are going to be limited on synergy unless you did a lot of pulls on the two banners.  I personally got jack and shit on both banners with my 100 Gem pull and I already ranted about why I feel it's not worth pulling on these banners, so won't get into that again.


Still...I think that's the biggest thing about the fight: You're fighting an opponent that isn't necessarily stronger than what you're use to, or prepared for, you're just likely to have relatively lower stats than what you have handled in the past.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 20, 2016, 04:34:09 AM
100 gem draw on FF3 banner 2: GAUNTLETS! I get an HotE clone! Still no RS weapons but that'll go a long way toward making up the difference.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 20, 2016, 04:38:19 AM
You're going to use DESCH. This game, man. This freaking game.

EDIT: Just keep an eye on his HP when you use it, since it shaves off 50% mHP from him. But that can be solved by a Curaga.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 20, 2016, 04:43:53 AM
I mean, I have three SBs that add party-wide high regen. As long as I time it so the boss is freshly debuffed he'll get that HP back easily enough.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 20, 2016, 04:57:52 AM
Sadface. I liked CmdrKing's posts. Hope you'll at least keep posting about your other mobile game experiences - FFBE and KH and such.

wtf I am Captain K not Commander King.  How could you confuse CK with CK?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 20, 2016, 05:25:03 AM
So after all my rants in chat about how Desch is a blech PC and not worth it, Shale decides to draw something that would make him actually useful.  THIS GAME!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 20, 2016, 02:34:28 PM
So, with FF12's new event, we get Larsa. And is it just me but that's a really neat support build? White 5*, Support 5* and even Bard 4* thrown in off typical Support PC stats - EXCEPT healer-level Mind. Equip options are kind of a bummer for hybrid builds (only swords in addition to mage weapons), but that feels like an oddly versatile build. Alas, poor Gordon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 20, 2016, 02:40:10 PM
Frankly works better than Ramza for buffing, actually, if you don't have a relic for either of them. Ramza has Prota Gonist level attack for debuffs but with that mind Bard buffs will be way more useful, nevermind that generally the turns spent to use the WM / ST versions is worth the turn usage unless you're being pounded constantly. I mean, Ramza's obviously better for being A) A waifu B) A debuffer C) a Knight but really that's a niche that I didn't know hadn't been hit yet (Gordon doesn't count because FF2 is barely a game and I wish we could stop pretending to have to pay attention to it)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 20, 2016, 02:44:27 PM
Support-like stats also end up meaning he's rather bulky for a White Mage. 5050 HP, 113 Def and 125 Res at L80 is fairly legit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 20, 2016, 05:42:02 PM
Looking at what Desch can actually do, he's definitely not getting a pass into my A team, but the stacking ATK/DEF boost will make a great "break glass in case of no gear" option. Such as in this event!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 20, 2016, 05:43:25 PM
So, with FF12's new event, we get Larsa. And is it just me but that's a really neat support build? White 5*, Support 5* and even Bard 4* thrown in off typical Support PC stats - EXCEPT healer-level Mind. Equip options are kind of a bummer for hybrid builds (only swords in addition to mage weapons), but that feels like an oddly versatile build. Alas, poor Gordon.

To be fair, Gordon has some really nice SBs to his name as well.  He has an Attack/Mag Lowering SB after all which is an extra layer of mitigation, his default SB is actually really good all things considered (+30% to all stats and stacks with just about everything), and pretty sure his weapon draw is better.  Not to mention Gordon is way better equips, getting Spears for extra synergy potential (common weapon type in most realms), and Bows meaning he can play around the Back Row.

Basically, what I'm saying is Gordon's still fine.  Larsa does hurt his niche, but Gordon still has his perks over Larsa.  I'd argue Larsa's a White Mage who can use Support (and unlike characters like Rosa and Y'shtola, he can run Full Break), while Gordon is better at being a Support character who can use Shell/Protectga.  It seems like a fair argument in both ends really, with Larsa having a Mind stat to actually run healing magic while Gordon has more equipment to draw from allowing for more flexibility.

Gordon also has Black 3, which if nothing else gives Blindga, a more accurate means to apply Blind than Dark Buster, which is the best Larsa can use, as well as access to Confusion status.

Also Gordon can use Shields!  Yeah, don't think that actually helps him much seeing as the two big ones are Basch's Shield for Holy +20% damage, which is offset by Larsa having much better Mind anyway, and Agrias' Kaiser Shield which he can't really take advantage of anyway (...no, I am not going to hype his Thundaga.)

Either way, I don't think "poor Gordon" is appropriate; yeah, his niche is compromised, but it's not like Larsa is straight up better.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 20, 2016, 05:51:32 PM
Man, Desch is pretty awful, but the Enthunder effect off of his mage sword looks visually cool! Priorities, man.

Larsa getting Bard is a nice addition for FF12 to actually get access to that skillset. I'm wondering if we will actually get to the point that every FFRK skillset will be represented in every realm? Seems like Ninja/Dragoon/Bard would be difficult in a lot of realms...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 20, 2016, 07:02:15 PM
Damn it Djinn! Now you got me remembering how RC wouldn't shut up about RINOA SINGING IN FF8 even though that never actually happened (it was her mother's song, not her own.)  Yes, my mind goes through a weird process of association what about it?

Though it did get me thinking...technically, the main cast of FF8 BESIDES Squall and Rinoa should have access to Bard and Instruments because of that one scene where they apparently all learn a song and how to play the respective instrument in the course of a few hours.  No, I am not serious but it's a funny thing to consider!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 21, 2016, 12:09:34 AM
Oh man, Captain K (and by this I mean Daleks, not CmdrKing... ehehe)... you left just before the greatest of all meta was born: Hit and Run!

If you're having trouble on a 1-stamina fight, why not just repeatedly enter and flee the fight after one turn of each PC building some SB gauge and a mage or two using a healing spell w/ an ability spring for unlimited actions? Now that you have 3 full SB gauges, start the fight in earnest.

I know what I'm doing for the WHM Nightmare fight if I can't get it the first time at least...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 21, 2016, 12:38:30 AM
Also Gordon can use Shields!  Yeah, don't think that actually helps him much seeing as the two big ones are Basch's Shield for Holy +20% damage, which is offset by Larsa having much better Mind anyway, and Agrias' Kaiser Shield which he can't really take advantage of anyway (...no, I am not going to hype his Thundaga.)

Gordon's own SB Shield is +20 ATK and Medium Fire Resistance, which is cool for a tanky build.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 21, 2016, 12:50:28 AM
Huh, didn't know that, because yeah, that's a pretty nice perk if so.  Still stand by my point that Shields offer limited value to Gordon, but still an extra equip option Larsa can't make use of.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 21, 2016, 01:35:18 AM
Shields no longer being a joke option helps Gordon pretty notably. That's true of pretty much anyone who can use them, but yeah, it -is- a point in his favor compared to Larsa. Larsa has a better equip selection than your average White Mage, but Gordon's equip array is one of the best things about him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on May 21, 2016, 02:59:02 AM
Oh man, Captain K (and by this I mean Daleks, not CmdrKing... ehehe)... you left just before the greatest of all meta was born: Hit and Run!

Knew about it, but couldn't get past Geryon.  And now I no longer care.  I'm freeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 21, 2016, 08:26:17 AM
Huh, didn't know that, because yeah, that's a pretty nice perk if so.  Still stand by my point that Shields offer limited value to Gordon, but still an extra equip option Larsa can't make use of.

https://ffrkstrategy.gamematome.jp/game/951/wiki/Equipment_Rarity%205_Flame%20Shield%20%28II%29

I goofed a bit, the 20 ATK is after being combined, but even at L20 on its own, it's still 17 ATK, which is still nice.

Sadly, Gordon only has Black and White 3 for now, so until he gets buffed with more caster levels...  No Protectga/Shellga for him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 21, 2016, 01:18:59 PM
Oh, FF2's roster in Global is pretty crappy outside of maybe Leon, who has a good weapon draw (Swords, Axes, Spears and Bows), Knight 5 + Darkness 5 combo (Dark Bargain + Saint's Cross is pretty cool) that's shared only by Seifer (worse Weapon draw though way more durable) and Golbez (worse relevant stats), and Hand of the Emperor is of course a really good Soul Break.

It's only after the recent JP Event that the FF2 cast is suddenly meaningful.  Glancing at the roster Post-Buff, the only character I'd deem "bad" is Ricard, who is a Worse Kain, and Kain's not exactly the most impressive character at this point.  To be fair, Leila and Minwu aren't exactly very inspired, with Leila being "textbook Thief" who gets Bows instead of Throwing weapons and Minwu is about as generic a White Mage as you can get, difference of course being Minwu still works as a healer as well as any other White Mage, he's just unremarkable about it, and Thief 5 means Leila can still Steal Power + Thief's Revenge, if nothing else, and even reaches the 5 hit Thief's Revenge w/out Synergy at level 80.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 22, 2016, 02:46:18 AM
It's Lucky Draw time again! I got...Yuna's Lullaby Rod, the best possible SB in the pool that I already have a clone of. Buuuuuuut it's on a summoner instead of Lenna the pure white mage, which opens up some interesting options for a Carbuncle strategy against U+ Bahamut (who is totally kicking my ass).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 22, 2016, 02:57:09 AM
I got...  Lenna's Power Staff (Chibi-Shout) and Selphie's Crescent Wish (YAY!).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 22, 2016, 02:58:51 AM
Aaaaaahhhhhh soooooooo jealous
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 22, 2016, 03:00:39 AM
Lucky Draw gave me... Eiko's Hypnocrown and Beatrix's Save The Queen. I'll take those, sure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 22, 2016, 03:03:01 AM
Eiko's Fairy Flute (alas, not the superior non-SSB for her) and a duplicate Physician's Staff.  Not bad all told.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 22, 2016, 03:08:53 AM
Judicer's Staff. Well, it's... something, at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 22, 2016, 04:14:52 AM
Beatrix's Save the Queen! Well, at least that means I'm set for Paladin relics and FF9 relics for a while longer. Burst Festival hurry up~

Is Seiken Stock Break going to be of any help whatsoever against the White Mage Nightmare? Doesn't he shut down Physical attacks or something?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 22, 2016, 04:32:11 AM
Counters physicals with Poison Breath.  Since SBs can't trigger that, Stock Break SHOULD be useful.  Beatrix also gets an MC2 in the Kuja event so if you're WM relics aren't well distributed she could be handy here
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 22, 2016, 04:34:50 AM
He's also long-range, though. I'm pretty sure even physical SBs will auto-miss if they're melee.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 22, 2016, 04:37:17 AM
Correct. Save The Queen has very limited use against the Nightmare itself. It's just an overall neat stat stick.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 22, 2016, 04:41:59 AM
Mm.  Does that apply to the lenses in phase 2 too?  That's one of the main things I've been considering it for.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 22, 2016, 05:00:35 AM
It's... Not that useful regardless because of the battle's obscene defensive stats, which are mitigated solely by White Magic's hidden 3x damage bonus to the involved. I'm not sure the adds are ranged, but even if they aren't, you're facing serious limitations in usability there. Not to mention a 4x mult SB is only useful under Shout to begin with.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 22, 2016, 05:12:20 AM
Damn. Guess Bea isn't gonna be useful then... Maybe Magic Lure? (Should I just use Celes in that case?)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 22, 2016, 05:23:05 AM
Got my 5th Cat-Ear Hood and Vanille's Wyrmfang.  Congrats Vanille, you just earned your spot as my 5th White Mage for the Nightmare when I do it on Monday.

I'm ok with this; while having a 5th Cat-Ear Hood feels trollish, it's got good stats, so having 2 Cat-Ear Hood+(+)s helps Mage Meta, and honestly it's probably going to prove useful in the White Mage abyss, so I'm not going to fuse it quite yet.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 22, 2016, 07:32:08 AM
Bahamut U+: Fuckin cakewalked it. Actually having synergy just destroys him. Having Synergy, trinity, and a wind elemental Burst SB... Well yeah. Also my 100-gem on Banner 2 netted me an awesome FF3 bangle. Not awesome that it's FF3 (outside of this one event), but it has some pretty impressive stats and is my second best bangle outside of a combined FFX Red Armlet. It's gonna probably see more use than any of the four 5*s I pulled on banner 1...

I fear the upcoming regression to the mean that's prolly gonna hit me hard during the Burst Fest... Sigh. Never gonna get a new Terra relic...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 22, 2016, 01:53:13 PM
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I fear the upcoming regression to the mean that's prolly gonna hit me hard during the Burst Fest... Sigh. Never gonna get a new Terra relic...

At least you have the Horn!  Think about Shin Verus on Reddit whose thrown like 1000 mithril at banners and still failed to get a single Terra relic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 22, 2016, 04:24:22 PM
Damn. Guess Bea isn't gonna be useful then... Maybe Magic Lure? (Should I just use Celes in that case?)

Nothing relevant Evrae has is subject to Magic Lure and Celes hasn't gotten her buff to Knight 5 yet. Regardless, the most you could do with Bea in Nightmare would be having her as a tanky buff/Esuna/ST healing battery, and StQ gives her adequate Mind for it (she breaks 2k healing with Curaga at L65 without synergy if you give her a bracer, so it's acceptable). Offensively, though, she's a liability there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 22, 2016, 05:33:43 PM
It's Lucky Draw time again! I got...Yuna's Lullaby Rod, the best possible SB in the pool that I already have a clone of. Buuuuuuut it's on a summoner instead of Lenna the pure white mage, which opens up some interesting options for a Carbuncle strategy against U+ Bahamut (who is totally kicking my ass).

It'll also be useful for the Nightmare itself, where having multiple AoE heals -actually helps-. If it's any consolation, Hymn of the Fayth keeps Yuna a completely legit PC by itself even in these days and it's her best relic bar none even now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 22, 2016, 07:21:17 PM
I keep saying this in chat, and various other sources have been saying it too, but people don't seem to get it:

Beatrix offers nothing for the Nightmare that dedicated White Mages/Sages don't already offer unless you have Save the Queen, and even then, all she offers is some durability.  People seem to insist on using her because OMG DIFFERENT KIND OF CHARACTER WITH WHITE 5!!! failing to recognize that Beatrix just isn't a good healer or anything like that.  Generally speaking, White Magic on Paladins exists for Protect/Shellga, and Esuna (Dispel is almost never meaningful thanks to Banishing Raid, though I'll grant the Nightmare is an exception.)

Tangentially, Celes wouldn't be any better than Beatrix in the Nightmare Abyss anyway even with her Magic Lure, simply because she lacks Synergy.  Beatrix has White 5 which is the only reason people keep bringing her up, Celes is White 3 right now, gets White 4 with Record Dive; her GAME BEST RES!!! isn't game best anymore when others are getting Synergy on gear while she isn't (on top of those characters getting +10 levels, though some are stuck at 65.)  The only thing she'd offer is Magic Shield, really.


It's amazing how stubborn people are though with particular characters in trying to find uses for them.  Beatrix just doesn't have the White Mage stats to be relevant in the abyss, and her Soul Breaks don't compliment the Nightmare either.  People like to forget that Evrae has ludicrous defensive stats, which White Magic compensates for by hitting 3x damage (and often hits weakness too, so 6x in practice), so stuff like Saint's Cross even if it could hit him (which unless it's Cecil or Leon with a Bow, it won't) would do pretty shitty damage, and it triggers a counter.  Her Soul Breaks are entirely physical oriented, the only good one is Rose of May for this thanks to the Defense Boost.   The only reason she can get by with Save the Queen is because is because it's a Sword with an actual Mind stat allowing her to join in.  Otherwise, there's little reason to use her over an actual White Mage who would have considerably higher Mind, and probably a more valuable Soul Break.

Had to get that off  my chest, but it really just gets annoying seeing people go "OMG I COULD USE BEATRIX!" and basically ignore the bajillion guides out there that would highlight WHY this won't work beyond Esuna/Dispel/ST Healbot with higher HP.   I don't hate Beatrix or anything, and she's certainly a good character overall, but good lord people just seem to not get it through their heads that her build is not particularly helpful in the White Mage Nightmare.


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It'll also be useful for the Nightmare itself, where having multiple AoE heals -actually helps-. If it's any consolation, Hymn of the Fayth keeps Yuna a completely legit PC by itself even in these days and it's her best relic bar none even now.

I can vouch for the fact that HotF has been a god send and is the sole reason I bring Yuna to every single high level content where I need a legit party.   I got both Eiko and Aerith's SSBs during the celebration and neither has seen use over Yuna (Reraise just isn't that great of a secondary effect.)  I only now finally got a Medica that could possibly replace Yuna in Oerba's Boon and even that feels more niche, since Heavy Regen is always useful, Protectga on a Medica is more nice for flexibility than anything else.

Speaking of which, trying to plan for the Nightmare whihc I'm not tackling until weekend is over.  Here's what I'm thinking:

Team:
Tyro
Yuna
Aerith
Eiko
Vanille

Tyro has SG, the other 4 all have Medicas, thus my best White Mage options.  Trying to figure out who gets what.  I'm thinking I give Phantasm to Tyro, and hand him one of Esuna or Dispel.   Doing so means I can focus entirely on Magic for him, and thus he won't compete for all the Mind-based equips.  Calculating, I should be able to get Tyro to about 400 Magic which is about 5k damage with Phantasm, which should be similar to what my White Mages will do.  Phantasm also means one less skill that the girls will fight over.

My options are at the moment:
Diaga (R4)
Diara (R5)
Curaga (R5)
Curaja (R5)
Curaise (R3)

Considering I have Oerba's Boon, I might forego Protectga entirely and rely on that.  With the massive Mind stat, and using Oerba's Boon from the get go, that should last more than enough, so that should free up a space.   I'll probably want something offensive on Yuna so she can build up her gauge quicker.  I might be able to get away without Shellga, since Eiko has that as a default, but that has the issue of needing to build up to it first, and since I'm using Tyro, Mako's Might takes priority on him, and thinking the other goes to Vanille.   Also worth noting is I have the FF6 Chain Flail which probably goes to Aerith since Eiko has the same Soul Break anyway, and her default is clearly worse; this would add another shot of Diara here and there.

So I'm thinking a set up of something like this:

Tyro: Phantasm, Esuna, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Yuna: Curaga, Dispel, Knight's Charge
Vanille: Curaise, Raise, Mako's Might
Eiko: Curaja, Diara, Some Mind Boosting Materia (if I can get Penelo's, that'd be ideal)
Aerith: Shellga, Diaga, Ace Striker (since she's getting the one offensive Soul Break I have, might as well get her charging it faster)
Roaming Warrior: Either Divine Guardian or Mighty Guard VIII.  Hastega is the one thing I don't have, and both offer side effects better than others; Sazh's Boon is also a potential, if clearly worse.

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 22, 2016, 07:23:06 PM
This does give me a fifth PC for the Evrae fight, although I'm still wondering what I could possibly have to gain from actually doing that fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 22, 2016, 08:17:35 PM
Eh.  Aside from the Ranged Boss thing (which both of the guides I usually look at did not, in fact, mention) it's not that far out of line.
- The fight bans Black and Summon magic, and has a lot of focus on taking down support targets.  SBs become the only source of MT damage available to white mages, and while almost all WM offensive SBs are MT, there aren't actually very many offensive WM SBs; Yuna has three, Beatrix has two, and Panelo, Vanille and Exdeath have one a piece.  Well, Eiko and Relm have one, but they count as banned summon magic.
- One of the big limits on the fight is offensive hones.  Supplementing this with SBs, even if it's not MUCH, is a boon.
- 'Tanky dispel' isn't that bad a niche when you're talking about White Mages.

And let's be honest, the fight is stupidly overtuned and if the fight was even REMOTELY logically designed Beatrix would actually be, y'know, good.  I can't be mad at people who only glanced at the requirements and concluded she'd be a good pick.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 23, 2016, 02:25:16 PM
Nightmare Evrae Altana down, soldier. That was a doozy. First, setup:

https://imgur.com/WJutpt4

For SBs, Arc brought Soothing Light, Eiko came with Emerald Light and Withering Winds (forgot to unequip the latter, since using it -at all- would lose me three medals), Yuna brought both Hymn of the Fayth and The Sending, Vanille ran Oerba's Boon and Y'shtola ran SSII. I intended to use Arc as the main healer, but he ended up being my main backup offensive PC, even moreso than Y'shtola, who, besides damage, provided Wall. Meanwhile, Eiko and Yuna were my top nukers, while Eiko also provided Hastega. Yuna's The Sending was a godsend (hrhrhr) on phase 2, and it worked really well with the Intercession RW as well: Intercession + The Sending = instantly dead Lens and you want particularly the Petrify and Instant Death mirrors downed ASAP (I had one S/L because Yuna got petrified, missed a SSII refresh and then started... to... die... all... the... time). Vanille... I questioned the efficiency of having her solely with Protectga and Poisona on the second phase, but having her at the ready to stop Nightmare Poison Breath was crucial on phase 3. Dispel was an almost complete waste, but it stopped a Haste cold, at least. Anyhow, some thoughts.

The fight is indeed overtuned, but it's actually not that durable: 400+ MND Diagas are guaranteed 9999s and getting that high with a typical 5* Mind setup is pretty trivial (Yuna had over 500 MND...). With that score, you're pulling off 5.5-6k damage Diaras as well, and those will suffice, given the most durable Altana form clocks in at 110k HP (the total HP tallied down is okay, but even 240k HP, especially facing an elemental weakness, isn't scaring an endgame-ready account much). Multiple Medicas are also very welcome here and I'd seriously advise against running this fight with no Medicas at all. Four of them is overkill, but hey, those were the cards the game handed me for this. Also, The Sending may be a joke SB at this point for most content, but it's seriously legit for this if you have it native: not only it's good for speeding up the kill on the Lenses, it also provides some extra juice for the last legs (I had run out of Curajas on Arc and Diagas on Eiko by the final stretches - as in, Altana's last 30% HP, so chaincasting The Sending really helped finish things a bit faster). Even with a high-tune setup, it's a tense fight, since there's a lot to micromanage and a mistake -will- lead the house of cards to crumble in record time. S'pose I can shatter the extra Diara and Diaga I honed for this now.

EDIT: Shattering the extra Dia spells and nabbing the orbs from WM Nightmare dungeon gave me enough Major Holies to hone Saint Cross to R3, which I just did. I can also R3 Thief's Revenge, but with Full Charge looming on the horizon, this doesn't feel anywhere near as attractive, since I have a decent stash of Major Winds still, but not enough to fork over 40 of them without a sweat.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 24, 2016, 01:56:05 AM
Evrae Beaten!  Team posting time!

(http://i.imgur.com/3E353w9.png)

Note that this is taken after the fight, so the RW is technically not the same guy, but I did use Mighty Guard VIII nonetheless.

Original failure run used Divine Guardian which is straight up better (Aerith was running Shellga, so...), which is what I wanted on winning run, but I settled for Mighty Guard because Heavy Regen + Hastega combo is mostly what I wanted.  The more notable changes? 

The set up I listed in a previous post (with Tyro and Yuna swapping Dispel and Esuna...yeah, that was probably a mistake on hindsight since Tyro was doing jack and all after his 6 Phantasms ran out and I overestimated the important of Dispel here, outside of his ocassional Sentinel Grimoire turns) is what i used, but I found what was getting me was I just didn't have the speed to stop Nightmare Poison Breath.  The closest I got was when I DID cancel it near the end, but then he started charging it immediately, and yeah, no way Yuna was getting her turn fast enough.  So I broke down, grabbed Poisona, upped it to R2 just in case, and gave it to Eiko because she wasn't using Curaja anyawy, then tossed Curaja on Vanille because it's doing more damage than Curaise, and there you go.

Now I need to breakdown Raise since I'm probably not using that again, break down Poisona because I'm definitely NOT using that again, and probably kill Curaise because if I'm using a 4* Healing spell, it's Curaja.  If I need a 2nd healer, I don't see why Curaga won't suffice.
I'll hold onto Diara if only because it's a 2nd thing to give pure white Mages if I'm grinding them, assuming they don't get something like Black Magic ala Vanille, or are one of the bajillion summoners.


As far as the fight itself goes?

-Tyro exists for Sentinel Grimoire.  Pretty much the only reason he beat out the other White Mages here, though it's a big one to be sure.  Twinked him for Magic because Phantasm is something that works here and doesn't conflict with the other White Mages.
-Aerith casts Shellga, and mostly DPS' a lot from here outside of her occasional Medica castings,usually after the explosions.  Worth noting that the Chain Flail ended up proving useful because I usedone Saintly Beam at the end when she ran out of Diagas, due to Eiko, my other main source of offense, being on standby until near the end to stop Nightmare Poison Breath.  Aerith not only got the killing blow, but her record Materia also dropped this fight.  Fitting!
-Eiko exists for the same reason Aerith does, as her Diaras are doing 8500 with that set up (all hail the Fairy Flute+?), swapping Shellga out for a 2nd person who can interrupt the Poison Breaths.
-Yuna has Hymn of the Fayth to reapply Heavy Regen and cancel out Poison, and mostly casts Curaga on him early on for some damage, then is an Esuna bot in Phase 3.  The only time she'd do something different is if Evrae just acted, and Eiko had a turn in Queue to cover the Poisona needs.
-Vanille murdres Mirrors and Guado wtih Raise, Oerba's Boon gets me protectga that lasts long enough until she casts it again (her mind is kind of insane in this afterall), and Curaja is an extra 6k if she gets the chance which she gets plenty of in Phase 3.

This fight was a pain in the ass and I'm glad I'm done.  I'm also glad that the White Mage Lucky Draw proved to be helpful because just being able to use Protectga without resorting to the Keepsake Knife or using a slot on it was handy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 24, 2016, 02:01:53 AM
Beat U+ Bahamut on the first try, but I didn't outpace his third Mega Flare. Tried again and ultimately got it after about 4 S/Ls:

(http://i.imgur.com/nYPLR8X.png)

This honestly wasn't a good setup - I flat out needed Spellblade doublecast to proc twice or I'd run out of gas at the very end of the fight. Honing Magic Breakdown and Aerora Strike once more each, or Tornado Strike just once would've improved the reliability significantly, but I wasn't willing to do either hone for just one fight so I opted for an RNG-basedsolution. It wasn't pretty but I got my 4 MPOs and 3 MWiOs in the end. Now to shatter the extra R1 Wind Jump that I'll never use again.

In case you're wondering why my worst damage dealer has my best weapon here equipped, Gil did 9999 with Wind Jump reliably and Bartz hit for over 9000 w/ Aerora Strike after Full Break, so they mainly would've just benefitted from stronger Death Claws/Lupine Barrages (and Tornado Strike, for Bartz). I thought that boosting Ramza's twelve Breakdown/Full Breaks was more valuable, though I'll admit I never went so far as to actually math it out.

Tempted to skip Evrae until after the summoner lucky draw just in case I get Magistral Rod or Eiko's Hastega out of it. I'm pretty sure I could beat it with native Wall and two Medicas (one Heavy Regen), but I'd prefer not to hone more white mage offensive abilities than strictly necessary.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 24, 2016, 02:11:32 AM
I'd say anyone who doesn't feel comfortable with his/her current options and loadout for Evrae Altana -now- has nothing to lose by waiting. Unlike events, Nightmare dungeons come back every month and, if you're done with the first four bosses, it's a measly 1 Stamina fight, so it's hardly a relevant setback. One month is a decent amount of time to improve one's general supplies and options.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 24, 2016, 03:00:05 AM
Not to mention the rewards aren't worth it.  6* Crystals you won't be able to make use of, and probably the single worst 6* Skill in the game.

Anyway, probably going to shatter Curaise and Raise.  Anyone have a good reason why I SHOULDN'T Shatter either?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 24, 2016, 03:02:21 AM
Raise can ID a few undead bosses, and Curaise might be useful for multiplayer (if that gets ported to global)?

Okay yeah, you're probably not going to miss either.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 24, 2016, 03:52:52 AM
Well, I did an impulse 3 relic draw on the FF9 Banner, in hopes of getting a Kuja Relic, and got Vivi's Cypress Pile.

Eh, it'll do.  If nothing else, it's an extra Black Stick that's a rod, which I've been sorely lacking (Terra's Maduin's Horn is literally it, as far as Rods go), and hey, a 5* on a single 3 pull (and the 100 Gem draw that never counts) is doing pretty good for myself I'd say.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 24, 2016, 04:15:03 AM
Honestly I haven't cleared any nightmare content since I haven't really ever had the mats to craft a 6* skill, so yeah definitely don't worry about it. Same with the fragment dungeons, Ifrit's comin back still 4 months later
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 24, 2016, 07:58:04 PM
Apparently, the 2nd 6* Support skill was announced, and it's NOT Full Breakdown as people were expecting Penalty Break to be, but rather, a move that lowers enemy status resistance.  Apparently it functions as a multiplier to PROC rate of attacks, so if it was 1.5x, for example, then Machinist skills would be 90%, Busters would be 45%, etc.

If it's not obvious, this clearly does not remove immunity, and basically makes it an awful 6* Skill.  Between that and Quadruple Foul, I think Support is the big loser for 6* skills.

At least Black Magic and White Magic's 2nd spells were decent, Meltdown hitting hard enough to justify and Not!Aldoquinn's only drawback is that it needs hones, which means it's questionable in use now but the potential is clearly there.  Support's 6*s?  Can't see much use for them.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 25, 2016, 08:43:40 AM
Oh, look. Another lucky draw for support characters. FINE, let's fail to get Shout again.

Oh, it's not even half priced anymore? Ffff.... Blah, worth it. One pull. Let's disappointment.
...

Two Rainbows.

Click click click click click

Quina's 50%+ ATK Hairpin. Great. You're taunting me. You're a taunter. Dick. At least it's not the Giant's Glove.

Click.

... OH SHIT.

... Wait, no that's a Katana. ... Click.

 HOLY SHIT.

Iga blade motherfucker! THE WAIFU PULL IS REAL.

Ramza's BSSB is not as good as Shout. I'm not even sure I can fit it in on my A-team (though it synergizes really well with Beatrix's BSSB thanks to the two-hit Banishing Blade clone, and if literally everyone is running BSSBs except my healer, I don't strictly need Hastega). I don't care, Ramza is good again. Yaaaaaay.

EDIT: Actually, he may well have just replaced Zach permanently. His BSSB itself is also holy damage, and with Beatrix's Imperil: Holy it may be worth the few turns he's not hasted at the start if I have to resort to SG instead of a shout RW. Damn.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 25, 2016, 12:53:51 PM
AHMYGAWD GILGAMESH BOSS GAUNTLET IS COMING GUYS

... this July.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 25, 2016, 12:55:54 PM
well, it did happen around new years for us, plus six months would in fact be July.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 25, 2016, 01:01:26 PM
Ok, it seems Penalty Break is different than originally mentioned if I'm reading this right.  It doesn't lower status resistance, it lowers status accuracy of the target.  If that's what it really does, that could be circumstantially useful at least, since lots of enemies have annoying status moves that lowering the chance can help.  I still wouldn't hype it but at least it doesn't embarrass itself.

Anyway, on top of Gilgamesh, a bunch of things were confirmed too.  The 4/5* Accessories added to the shop (not that there's anything I really need from it?  Really don't want to clutter my inventory up more than it is) in June.  Next dungeon update early June, which since it brings FF11,  extra login bonus of 14 mithril total, one for each FF game (poor FFT gets ignored here?), and there's an Orbfest this weekend.  Probably a repeat of the Lightning/Wind/White I think it was, but who cares, 10 MORE MITHRIL!  Also the FF Portal thing hit the last benchmark, so 10 more mithril there.

With all that, I'm probably going to do an 11 pull on Kuja Banner 2, since more mithril than expected by the BSB fest.  I'm sitting well over 200 right now as is.

Also, 2 more Gysahl Green weekends confirmed.  I was worried at first they were going to be this weekend which would run contrary to the Orbfest, but nope, it's the following two weeks.  Excellent.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 25, 2016, 03:43:05 PM
Also on the update: DeNA uploading all MCs and MC2s released so far in each update is a really elegant solution for character accessibility. It's a nice surprise, given how haphazard JP RK's MC2 updates seem to be (see Porom's MC2 being in the Hall while Palom's ISN'T, even though they were added in the same fucking event).

EDIT: Finished Kuja event's first-wave dungeons between yesternight and this morning due to getting a stamina refresh from a Gysahl Shop shard. Cap-breaking Zidane and Beatrix and getting to use their shiny toys feels pretty nice - I instantly egged both to L73 (importantly, this puts Zidane over 170 speed, which lets him use Thief's Revenge at its full 5-hit glory without relying on RS). Bea's SB ain't -so- hot, but Save the Queen is a really cool stat stick and hey, with that skillset, a usable offensive SB is enough reason to bring her to relevant content, if not necessarily U/U+.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 25, 2016, 06:43:43 PM
Apparently, the update involved about an hour long nerf of Terra and Ashe losing their access to Summon 5 (I bet Hope was demoted to Summon 3 for that matter) that they fixed promptly.  Here's hoping we get a mithril for that futz up because it was a legit mistake that could effect someone's experience!  Hey, we've gotten mithril for typoes in the past, so whose to say?

Got Garnet's Healer RM finally, taking advantage of the Kuja event.  Glad that hurdle is over with.

Then this morning, I get Garnet's RM3 in my first run of the daily dungeon, stage 2.  Can't say I'm complaining.  THEN in Stage 3, I get Zidane's RM3.  Ok, that's some nice luck, but now I should restructure my team a bit for RM purposes.  So let's swap out Zidane and Garnet for 2 little girl healers, namely Relm (whose running Summons because Dailies) and Porom.

Then I proceed to get Relm's RM3.  Well then, who else is high enough that I don't need to egg up that doesn't have an RM?  Oh, Edward's RM2!  That'll work, let's use him!
*Gets his RM2 in another daily run*

...I see what you're trying to say game.  My next 11 Pull is going to be a see of silver orbs, isn't it?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 25, 2016, 07:20:24 PM
This Wednesday, in Actions I'll Likely Regret: honed both Dark Zone and Memento Mori to R3.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 25, 2016, 07:31:34 PM
JP has a "refresh RW list" button now, 1-stamina enemies finally get a reprieve from their endless slaughter.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 25, 2016, 07:33:47 PM
JP has a "refresh RW list" button now, 1-stamina enemies finally get a reprieve from their endless slaughter.

I haven't wanted a QoL feature this badly since they implemented the new UI.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 26, 2016, 06:20:25 AM
Considering I have great SBs for all three 5* Spellblades (and Tyro too I suppose!), I went ahead and honed Tornado Strike up despite it taking some precious Lightning, Power, AND Wind orbs. Still I have a decent amount of Wind boosting gear too so this feels like a solid investment. Particularly for my Squall. I will destroy anything with Wind vulnerability.

Who needs R3 Thieves Raid or Saint Cross right?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 26, 2016, 07:42:09 AM
JP has a "refresh RW list" button now, 1-stamina enemies finally get a reprieve from their endless slaughter.

I haven't wanted a QoL feature this badly since they implemented the new UI.

They also oddly changed the order of record materia on the favorites list and I no longer know where anything is. Win some, lose some I guess.

I am so fucking stupid it is amazing I have lived to my late 20s without accidentally killing myself by grinding my feet on coral at the beach.

Oh. Um... wow. That's very big of you to admit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 26, 2016, 01:20:20 PM
When will Holy stop being the god element? Hopefully not anytime soon, because this fight was fuckin' sexy.

U+ Arhimans

Was it Beatrix dealing 8500 * 4 damage followed immediately by Ramza dealing 5500*5 damage and literally eating away at a quarter of the main target's HP in two moves? Was it the fact that B was getting 8800x2 damage off of Saint's Cross? Was it the fact that I wasn't using Zack and it was only barely sub-optimal? Was it the fact that fuckin' *Bartz* ate it mid-battle and I went, "Oh he's my least contributing member at this point, I'll just move on"? Was it the fact that at the end I only had Beatrix and Tyro alive at 3-digit health and still got mastery?

Yes. It was all of those things. My dick was so hard basically the entire fight.

What I'm trying to say is that I now have MC3 cap-broken Ramza.

I may come back over the weekend to get the Cid's Mission, seems really doable if I dump eggs onto Ashe and have a SG RW. The damage wasn't that bad with a Shout RW as long as I kept the replicas mitigated and Shell up, because lol 7500 damage unmitigated Thundajas. OK so the damage WAS that bad, it just didn't matter. Now that FF12 has two white mages, both of which can mitigate, and one of which can MT mitigate, this seems very doable even though I only have two SSBs for the crew. Probably run a Ashe / Larsa / Penelo / Basch / ... Fran? party. That fifth one's up in the air. Gabranth may be more appropriate, since he can at least crank out Banishing Blades.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 26, 2016, 02:48:14 PM
Quote from: Zenny
I am become death, destroyer of worlds.

Yep.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 26, 2016, 03:03:30 PM
Throwing in the towel on U+ Bahamut. With a haste RW Megaflare OHKOs my party through quadruple-stacked mitigation, with wall I can't even get to Megaflare before my buffs run out and I have to refresh (so burning through all three phases is definitely not happening). Come on, Kuja banner 2...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 26, 2016, 03:08:42 PM
SaGa Event in Japan coming tomorrow it seems.  I was worried the "surprise!" was going to be "hey look, a SaGa character lol" which would have pissed me off because...

A. Opens floodgates for all the ridiculous requests ranging from various Square-enix reps like Crono, Fei, DQ Characters, etc. to MORONIC **** YOU SEE IN SMASH BROS. like Goku and Batman. 

B. Call this one petty, but the game is "Final Fantasy", and I prefer to keep it that way.  Collab events to me are akin to the off-franchise music in Chibirhythm, so whatever, but the characters feel like they should stay within the franchise. 

C. Less petty, however, is also the fact that the west never gets Collab events, so it'd mean we'd legitimately miss out on character(s); it's a thing that people are legitimately worried we aren't getting the Moebius event, and thereby miss out 4 characters in the process.  TO BE FAIR, Romancing Saga 2 IS getting released stateside (today I think even), and it's a Square-enix franchise, so there's a small chance we'll actually get this one.


But well, it's not, so whatever.  The surprise apparently is a one time FREE 11 pull on the SaGa banner.  Not "functionally free because here's 50 Mithril", just straight up free.  That one is pretty cool.

Bunch of new relics, only 3 character relics and of them only Zidane's seems interesting (+30% Res/Def and High Regen), ON THE OTHERHAND, the rest are all Shared Relics, and one of them is MT +30% Attack and Mag on a staff.  Only downside is it has only Core synergy.

Also a new 4* Ice Summon, which is a nice perk too (I assume based on what it does it'll be similar in power to something like Fat Chocobo)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 26, 2016, 03:17:35 PM
Quote from: Zenny
I am become death, destroyer of worlds.

Yep.

i think u ment

(https://media.giphy.com/media/9tfNjaoyJv7Gw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 27, 2016, 01:13:14 AM
A. Opens floodgates for all the ridiculous requests ranging from various Square-enix reps like Crono, Fei, DQ Characters, etc. to MORONIC **** YOU SEE IN SMASH BROS. like Goku and Batman. 

B. Call this one petty, but the game is "Final Fantasy", and I prefer to keep it that way.  Collab events to me are akin to the off-franchise music in Chibirhythm, so whatever, but the characters feel like they should stay within the franchise. 

Where do you stand on stuff like Bravely Default? Or FFMQ? Where's the line? Also, I would be okay with Crono and Fei simply because those series are so dead that the best they can hope for is cameos in games like this. It'd be kind of cool if FF could 'adopt' the smaller Square franchises so they wouldn't get lost to time. I mean, does anyone really care about the characters from FFs1-3? Compare to how much people want to see something like CT or XG. It seems like a smart move in my opinion. Even if those aren't 'final fantasies'.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Dhyerwolf on May 27, 2016, 01:30:05 AM
Didn't they make a Saga RK? If they wanted to, they could make a non-FF RK game for RPGs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 27, 2016, 02:11:17 AM
Kuja banner 2 has arrived,  time to roll the dice on Hastega yet again....

100 gems: trash.
11-pull #1: No rainbows.  Fine start.
11-pull #2: Three rainbows.  2X Gauntlets, and.... Golem's Flute! My long hasteless nightmare is finally over! Yaaaaaaay
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 27, 2016, 03:10:51 AM
100 Gem Pull got me trash.  11 Pull got me one Bracer. 

Disappointing, but at least I got a respectable consolation prize since it's a decent FF9 Synergy Armlet.  Could have done way worse.  Any of the character Soul Breaks would have been welcome.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 27, 2016, 03:44:23 AM
100-gem pull on Kuja banner 2: 4* junk. Oh well.

Anyhow, the important part: done with the Ultimate battles. For Steiner, I decided to try out Dark Zone + Memento Mori shenanigans. Thus, my setup went mage meta. My party for the fight:

https://imgur.com/vAlvEQq

In hindsight, I didn't have to load Kefka with Stumble Step, since all of the mages were ramming damage caps post-Inaugural Parade, but Memento Mori + Dark Zone spamming worked wonders - whee 20k damage a pop. Irvine was there mostly because I needed a break monkey and he was the only one with a relic SB that wouldn't be redundant (well, Wakka too, but Wakka's version of wall break's strictly inferior). Shock is kinda scary if you're not constantly breaking Steiner due to ITD (and fuck, my entire party's kinda squishy. Kefka and Irvine don't even break 4k HP), but past that, no big deal. Edea ended the fight with 14 seconds left on the timer and Rinoa even managed to squeeze in two The Brothers, pulling out five-digit damage on the second. Honestly legit enough. Full medals on this one.

Kuja... well, only having two medal conditions makes this pretty much perfection or bust. So, here's what I brought to the fray:

https://imgur.com/cd8IMdY

Managed full medals on this as well, which was honestly very surprising with Gravija and his endless suply of AoE offense on tow.

Celes and Arc were both very important: Celes nullifies most of his ST damage and mitigates some of his MT, all while dealing competent damage with Indomitable Blade. Uber Runic made Tornado Strike usable too, which is funny as hell. Arc, on the other hand, provided extra mitigation to Kuja's obscene magical offense later in the fight due to Soothing Light's RES +50% on top of SG, MBD, FB and Shellga. I have really loaded FF9 RES gear, so I slapped it on everybody I possibly could. Zidane also did wonderfully with his SSB and Thief's Revenge. In fact, TR was great for letting me breathe a bit more in-between AoE heals and likely allowed me to recover from that dickish Gravija HP unlock. The 13k~ damage a pop wasn't a bad deal, either. The real clincher, though, was the lightning resist stuff. Kuja INDEED spams the hell out of thunder damage and two of his nastiest moves are that element as well, so you better amass as many thunder resisting accessories as you can for the fight. Past that, though, Kuja's a very straightforward fight you need to blaze through in order to master. Glad to have gotten through all these in a single go.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 27, 2016, 04:45:47 AM
Didn't they make a Saga RK? If they wanted to, they could make a non-FF RK game for RPGs.

They did. But it's a browser game instead of an app, so I haven't bothered with it. Doesn't play well on the train.

That said, I wonder if a Square RPG Record Keeper would work/sell WITHOUT any Final Fantasy stuff? I mean, FF is kind of the coherent-ish center that all of the other franchises are kinda-sorta based on/reactions to/subversions of.


Kuja Banner: Beatrix's SSB! Well I'm now at 3 Knight SSBs and 3 Spellblade SSBs... And zero Thief SSBs. At least I know that Thief's Raid isn't going to be a priority. Tornado Strike still awesome and totally worth R2-ing it since I had R2 SC and TR already. But now I'm not sure whether to hone it to R3 or go back to honing up Saint's Cross.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 27, 2016, 05:02:10 AM
Screw it, this entire post is being editted into an update!

Steiner:

(http://i.imgur.com/473kjHd.png)

Beat it first attempt without a single hitch.  Terra, Lulu and Kuja doing constant 9999s, Tyro's damage sucked and I should have given him Phantasm, Yuna just kept doing green numbers.

The only notable thing is that Kuja did die as a result of Memento Mori late in the fight, but there's no Death condition, and the fight was pretty obviously under control there, so it was an expendable death.


Kuja:

I had 3 successful runs that were Experts, a few failure runs, until I finally champion'd with this set up:

(http://i.imgur.com/mpO8BcF.png)

NOTE: The Kuja fight screenshot is taken after the fact, so wrong RW.  The Actual RW chosen was Vincent's Chain Shot and yes, that was meaningful.  To be fair, I probably could have gotten away with the RW listed.

First to explain the failure set ups:

Originally, I used Seifer w/ Dark Bargain + Saint's Cross.  I figure Bloodfest is great for this fight, Dark Bargain + Saint's Cross should allow for big damage, especially with Excalibur boosting Saint's Cross, so that should offset the lack of synergy  This set up also had Tyro w/ Dismissal instead of Phantasm, because I forgot he wasn't using a physical waepon, so Tyro's turns were basically worthless damage wise.

No big, I thought; I can redo the fight, give Tyro Phantasm because I don't trust Kuja's resistance (and heck, Steiner no doubt has less, and even with Mage Meta AND Fire Boosting, Tyro's damage was pretty bad), and that should be fine!

...nope, that fails too.  I deem Seifer the weak-link because he's stuck at level 65, so instead substitute in Steiner.  He can't use Dark Bargain, but he does get Synergy, and can get to level 80 (Seifer's stuck at 65), so I egg him up a bit, Egg him up a bit, and give him Banishing Strike because I figure a 2.4x damage attack (post Excalibur, remember) should help compensate for lack Dark Bargain, and Steiner DOES have a Soul Break for some extra ammo.
That set up also had RW for Fenrir Overdrive (previous two used a defensive one, I think Divine Guardian), which I figured would also alleviate Celes' relative lack of DPS. 

...this fails too!  Ok, let's try Carbuncle instead since Celes might be a missing link...I learn this leads to Kuja going into Flare Star Happy mode and uh, yeah, not much I can do about that.  Won't go into all my failures.

Eventually, I just crack down and make a 2nd Lifesiphon, thinking Auron hurling Banishing Blades at reasonable Intervals might do more than a Saint Cross strategy, and sure enough, that worked!  Auron chosen because the two other physical SSBs I have besides Celes are his and Vaan's, and Vaan's is clearly worse in this fight (less damage, attack boost is redundant with shout, and Banishing Blade also has stackable defense lowering, increasing the damage slightly of most of the team.)

Things I take away from this fight:
-Celes really can't do damage without hitting weakness.  Tornado Strike with Shout was doing about 8k damage.  This really explains why they eventually gave her Knight 5, because even with Indomintable Blade, unless the fight is tightly designed around making Runic good, she really struggles to commit to the fight if they aren't weak to an element.  Most physical damage dealers are either SUpport characters who don't need damage, have some major DPS skill like Thief's Revenge or Saint's Cross, or have Lifesiphon, and thus can hurl strong Soul Breaks in between; Celes in her current state can't do any of that.  best she has is Flare Strike, which is 1 hit at 3x damage, and is only usable by 2 other characters (Bartz and Squall), so there's really no point in using those orbs (and I think that list gets expanded to Paine and Delita in the future, with Lightning and Cloud getting Spellblade 5 via Record Dive?  Still a very small group.)

-The fight really did not live up to the major hype people were going on about.  Now granted, I did have Indomintable Blade, but from what I can tell, Magic Lure + Reflect could work reasonably well if I sat down and figured out a set up that'd do that.  Now, mastery is hard because of only 2 conditions, but for a fight that was hyped as the "Hardest Ultimate+ fight outside of Caius" it really didn't live up to the hype at all.  It's just way too straight forward and simple, and the game even says "LIGHTNING RESISTANCE, NOW!"

-My mastery may have come as the result of VIncent's Chain Shot stacking with everything.  This makes me feel dirty inside.  Seriously though, chain Shot allowed Tyro with his stick in front row to do over 4k with Magic Breakdown, and pushing PHantasm from just under 5k to just over 6k.  I wouldn't be shocked if Tyro being able to DPS on all his Non-SG actions played a role in the actual mastery

-Yes, Ramza was using an instrument and surprisingly his attack stat was decent.  Fairy Flute+ w/ Synergy actually was stronger than anything Ramza could use save for the Ultima Sword that Celes is using, and it was Back Row compatible.  With Shout, Ramza's damage was passable enough, seeing as he was mostly there for Full Break and Shout, sometimes the occasional "Throw Meteor" when I know Shout wasn't worn off and confident he could get his gauge up before it did.


Anyway, fight's done with, and I have 3 more MSOs!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 27, 2016, 08:22:54 AM
My Kuja team:

http://imgur.com/WzOAaLZ

First Ultimate where I wasn't using Y'shtola for a Wall.  Still worked out, but this was my fourth or fifth attempt at getting something better than an Expert.

I really didn't know what to do, but I feel like I could've put Drain Spellblade on Tyro instead since he was my designated Lurebot.

Ah well.  I'm done, and I'm glad for it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 27, 2016, 01:31:54 PM
I threw some gems at Banner 2 in hopes to get something, got only the Ice Staff.

Between this, the 2 Blackhoods I got from the Freya banner a while back,...yeah, I think I'm done with FF9 banners forever.  My best FF9 items were basically gotten from Lucky Draws and celebrations, the game clearly doesn't want me to have good FF9 toys otherwise.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 27, 2016, 03:20:47 PM
Welp, back to the waiting and farming game. Rebuilding my Holy and Dark orb stack up after honing Saint Cross, Dark Zone and Memento Mori will take a while, but I can deal. At least it'll be a while until I have to dip into those orbs again - and hey, it's not like I was anywhere close to R3'ing Bahamut.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 28, 2016, 04:06:14 AM
Welp, damn ye black heart, FF9, for I failed to resist and dropped a 50-mythril pull on banner 2 in spite of having two weapons I didn't want at all. End result: ANOTHER Golem's Flute (exactly the one I didn't want)... and Kuja's Gloves. That one was my second-most wanted relic on the banner and it suddenly justifies Memento Mori and Dark Zone honing with a vengeance. Yeah, worth it for sure and I still have 75 Mythril handy. I'll likely have 200 for the next celebration, too, so I can't be too mad.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 28, 2016, 11:48:55 AM
You're making me want to do the same, as does that guy on Reddit who got 6 5* in one pull, and every single item was a different relic (I think the only item he didn't get was Kuja's Glove.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 28, 2016, 12:06:45 PM
U++ Boss down, first try. Ramza/Beatrix/Basch/Shitbrat/Penelo, Shout RW.  No SG was a bit annoying and Bea almost ate it at the end because of her draw fire skill, but Physical and Magical Blink made up for it, as did Ramza's BSB.

Also tried the FF2 fragment dungeon but the Soul Fire absorbs holy so I'll just do that tomorrow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 29, 2016, 04:00:58 AM
I decided to crack down and throw some more gems/mithril at the Kuja Banner 2.  Was getting crap, crap crap crap, I'll do one more 3 pull...oooh! 2 Sparkly Rainbows, it's probably just two Ice Staffs or *Kuja's Glove* *Ragnarok*

...or, you know, two things I legitimately wanted, huzzah!
Glad I got this now so I can make use of the Orbfest to hopefully speed up Beatrix's learning of her SSB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 29, 2016, 12:32:53 PM
hahahahaha

bahamut sin, cagnazzio, and caius revenge battles

bahamut sin and caius I could not actually beat at the time so this will be nice. Cagnazzio is mostly going to be fun so I can use my exact same setup I did 7 months ago and tapdance on y'alls tears
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 29, 2016, 07:17:44 PM
I sunk 4 mythril refreshes into the weekend orbfest. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS. Jesus Christ SO MANY White Orbs.

I mean, yes, now I -do- have just enough to get R3 Saint's Cross and R3 Full Break but I feel like I could have done the refreshes on a better festival.

And goddammit Ingus just drop your fuckin' Record Materia already you are almost level-capped... >.>;;
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 30, 2016, 06:00:00 AM
I tried Kuja Ultimate+ with Mage Meta now that I have a Dakrness Mage relic.  I can beat him, but can't seem to master him.   Thinking the mistake is using Mental Breakdown since based on what I can tell, Tyro using something for actual damage like Phantasm w/ Fairy Flute will probably have a stronger impact than Mental Breakdown's net damage gain, that's about the only place I can get more damage beyond remembering to ues Kuja's 2nd Soul Break BEFORE my last Dark Zone seeing as Terra consistently hits 9999 or close to it and Lulu's not far behind. 

I don't think egging characters up will help considering damage cap purposes, as only Terra and kuja will really benefit and only with their Soul Breaks.  Whatever, knowing I can beat Kuja with Mage Meta is enough for me, I have already mastered him, so I think I'm good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 30, 2016, 08:24:11 AM
Revenge Banner lucky draw. It's 25 mythril and has all the stuff from when the bosses first came out. I could really use 4 and 13 synergy, but I am making a prediction ahead of time that I get another Zack's Glove and something like, I dunno, Organics.

Here we goooooo

Nope, Lightning's Jacket. Should be a good defence booster, at least (lol Enthunder with no other benefit ok; it's not even a shared SB that would have made it useful).

Also, cleared out the Romancing SaGa event. Pretty neat, art and music for the game make it sound somewhat appealing, but SaGa is literally the worst JRPG series so nah.

As far as events go, anyway, it is literally no different than any other collab event in the game's history. Meeple's bitching about it ruining the integrity of FFRK is one of the stupider things to come out of his mouth recently.

EDIT: I misremembered the bitching, still dumb.

Also did not realize the SaGa Banner was free.

Got the mother fuckin' Liberty Staff. Two of them! That was the only thing I wanted from it, so thanks game. Also got the Moonlight sword and Abalone Holy Robe, which are pretty good for shared SBs, actually, but kinda meh considering my BSB arsenal. Still, not gonna say no to free shinies.

Also also, they're closing off the second beginner's banner soon. I should probably decide what I want from it and finally pull. Honestly at this point the Grand Armor's looking like a really decent option, an emergency heal for a character who's back in my party anyway would be quite nice. Lunatic High is also a decent option but I already have an FF7 hastega and really don't need more synergy for that realm. I could also just let this one go by, and save my mythril, really.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 30, 2016, 08:04:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/M71GRhQl.png)

Gave it my best shot with basically zero FFIX synergy aside from a 4++ dagger and 3++ rod. This was about as good as RNG run as I could hope for, just ran out of gas at the end.

I'll give myself a day or two to decide whether I want to pull on the current banners or not.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 31, 2016, 01:09:50 AM
If it means anything, given how close you've gotten, it's possible pretty much -anything- you land from either banner weapon-wise may tide you over - even an Exploda may mean the difference between victory and defeat. That said, you could very well get nothing, but at least banner 2 in a vaccuum is good enough that, if you have the Mythril handy, it may be worth an 11-pull or two.

(I'd just give a half-hour to an hour interval between pulls if the first ends up sucking ass. FFRK's RNG has been shown to be pretty streaky, especially on bad pull strings.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 31, 2016, 02:02:17 AM
Kitty megaphone on the hundred gem.

Apparently pulling the second the banner goes live works really well. My pulls have gotten much better since I started doing this. Clearly the good relics sell out fast. Get your megaphones while they're hot or something.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 31, 2016, 04:02:41 AM
So I caved in and spent 75 Mythril. What I wanted: kitty megaphones. What I got: Aerith's SSB and a Chocobracelet. This game.

EDIT: FUCK DROPPED TEN MORE MYTHRIL AND ON THE LAST ONE-PULL GAME FORKED OVER KITTY MEGAPHONES

WAIFU PULL IS REAL

EDIT2: Seriously, guys, I know it doesn't sound like much, but Cait is one of my favorite FF characters period and I SERIOUSLY needed an ATK+MAG debuff as well. Not to mention I really like his skillset. I'm pretty much in gacha heaven right now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 31, 2016, 05:49:50 AM
Your taste in FF characters is eclectic to say the least
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 31, 2016, 09:32:21 AM
i knew you'd go there
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 31, 2016, 11:09:43 AM
i knew you'd go there

Uh...?

If I actually made a joke there please tell me so I can pretend it was on purpose.

---

FFX event up. Probably gonna reign in on my Tuesdaily farming in part because I do actually need to build up some Wind orbs relative to my other orb stashes, and partly because holy shit I do not actually need any more orbs fuck this mild manifestation of OCD, and use my remaining stamina for the day to clear the autobattle part of the event and maybe get some elites done. I should be updating my resume but I guess this is how I'm going to be spending my time today. #zennydecisionsbestdecisions.

Took a look at the banners, Yuna's new SSB actually looks pretty neat (MT Curaga that gives characters a barrier that, upon attack, auto-regens up to 2000 HP). Paine's Hastega relic shows up again, and honestly there's nothing really terrible on the banner. Even the SB relic gives Tidus 2 turns of quick hits. Banner 2 looks like a lot more dud prizes (in that there are any; Wakka's and Kimarhi's). I may throw an 11 pull at banner one, I really do need the FFX synergy. It, along with FF8, is my biggest synergy hole in common realms.

That said, it's been a little under 3 months since the last equipment fest, so maybe I should save in another attempt to fail to get Shout. Mrf.

EDIT: I made the pull. I got Tidus' SB, and his OSB, because of course of the two FFX relics I'd own it would be Tidus' and Kimarhi's.

*Proceeds to rub his nutsack on Meeple's face while purposely never using Tidus again.*

EDIT 2: Oh snap when I wasn't looking they added a bunch more RM3s. I was gonna use this one on Tidus... and frankly I still am because his relic justifies it, BUT I really want to use it on Agrias instead to be spiteful.

Anyway, browsing through the newly added RM4s, here are the useful ones (including the ones from when they first introduced them to have them in place). A lot of the not so useful ones are elemental boosting ones

Cloud's (Sword -> Damage x30%)
Frionel (ATK up 20%)
Terra (MAG up 20%)
Refia (Thrown -> Damage up 30%)
Celes (Magic Sword Damage up 30%)
Aeris (Rod -> MAG up 20%, Mind up 10%)
Rinoa (BM Damage up 30%), I think probably marginally less useful than the physical 30% boosts just because of the higher MAG soft cap, but I didn't calculate it out so I may be wrong
Yuna (SMN Damage up 30%)
Agrias (Knight damage up 30%)

Useful if you have certain relics

Maria (Bow -> MAG up 30%)
Garnet (Dagger -> MAG up 20%, MND 10%)
Ashe (Sword -> MAG up 30%)

EvilPrincessSara and Rosa's both raise MND but that's not really that useful, not enough to blow a RM3 on anyway.

I suppose my next MC3 will go to Aeris. Her RM4 is pretty damn good and I have a relic for her.

Also egged Tidus up to 98 because fuck it, if he's gonna be my damage workhorse for FFX realms he's going to fucking do it right for once in his life.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 31, 2016, 01:19:01 PM
Stayin' classy.

Okay, so I beelined for Cait Sith's MC and egged him up to 50 so he can survive Tuesdaily. Having looked up his L65 stats, it's frankly kinda silly that he has more HP and defense at L65 than Aerith at L80. Good thing his MC2 is just a month away. He's like a spin on Mog trading a bit of statistical superiority for a better skillset, and that's a winning trade given the scales.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on May 31, 2016, 01:32:23 PM
Ugh. You got Tidus' 6*? I did three 11 pulls on this banner (all my hard-saved mythril~). 

I mean, I got Wakka's stupid-good Burst so that's cool. And two copies of both Paine's Hastega sword and Tidus' Quick Hit armor, which will likely see some use. But come on, I want shinies for my favorite JRPG main with daddy issues. I may have to rush the history dungeons for more mythril and try another 11-pull before the banner ends. Even if I get a third Paine/Tidus relic copy, at least that means I can finally do something with these dark matters.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on May 31, 2016, 01:44:27 PM
Stayin' classy.

ofc

Quote
Okay, so I beelined for Cait Sith's MC and egged him up to 50 so he can survive Tuesdaily. Having looked up his L65 stats, it's frankly kinda silly that he has more HP and defense at L65 than Aerith at L80. Good thing his MC2 is just a month away. He's like a spin on Mog trading a bit of statistical superiority for a better skillset, and that's a winning trade given the scales.

Yeah, Aeris' durability is up there with wet paper. I'd also agree that without relics, Cait's just flat out a better Mog. Summon 4 and Bard 5 are waaaaaaaay better than Black 3 / Dragoon 2. Not sure how they hold up after relics, though. What does Cait's relic actually do again?

Ugh. You got Tidus' 6*? I did three 11 pulls on this banner (all my hard-saved mythril~). 

I mean, I got Wakka's stupid-good Burst so that's cool. And two copies of both Paine's Hastega sword and Tidus' Quick Hit armor, which will likely see some use. But come on, I want shinies for my favorite JRPG main with daddy issues. I may have to rush the history dungeons for more mythril and try another 11-pull before the banner ends. Even if I get a third Paine/Tidus relic copy, at least that means I can finally do something with these dark matters.

"I got all these toys with far more utility than pumpin' out big numbers :("

I literally have nothing to say to you. Oh wait

*Proceeds to rub his nutsack on MeepleDJ's face while purposely never using Tidus again.*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 31, 2016, 01:55:54 PM
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Okay, so I beelined for Cait Sith's MC and egged him up to 50 so he can survive Tuesdaily. Having looked up his L65 stats, it's frankly kinda silly that he has more HP and defense at L65 than Aerith at L80. Good thing his MC2 is just a month away. He's like a spin on Mog trading a bit of statistical superiority for a better skillset, and that's a winning trade given the scales.

Yeah, Aeris' durability is up there with wet paper. I'd also agree that without relics, Cait's just flat out a better Mog. Summon 4 and Bard 5 are waaaaaaaay better than Black 3 / Dragoon 2. Not sure how they hold up after relics, though. What does Cait's relic actually do again?

Well, Cait's first relic (i.e. the one I got) is AoE non-elemental white magic damage with some degree of randomness (mult can go from 7.11x to 11.85x, averaging 9.43x) that also inflicts ATK+MAG -50% for 20s, stackable with Breakdowns and Full Break. His first SSB is AoE Full Breakdown + High Regen. Partly due to powercreep, relic-wise he somewhat stands atop Mog (who, in Global, still has only Heroic Harmony, which is Cait's first SB without damage, and Sunbath, which you know pretty well) until their recently released SSBs (Mog's is AoE magical white damage with ATK+DEF -50%, Cait's second SSB is AoE magical white damage + party crit up +50%). So yeah, the relic gap if you consider full updates isn't -so huge- in perspective (stackable AoE debuffing is honestly going to be useful until the game shuts down and you're really not using their SBs for their own damage). If that's worth anything, Cait gets Summon 5 with his Record Dive while Mog gets Dragoon 5 along with ATK +36 and boosts to Spear and Dragoon damage.

Regardless, Cait's SB gives me some alternative to Wall (not as good, but after stacking Toy Soldier with Power/Mag Breakdown and Full Break, I can reduce MAG by 52% and ATK by 49% on Break-resistant enemies, which is nice) and he's a fun PC who'll be viable for a long time.

EDIT: I guess there's also Aerith's SSB, but I have no idea how will I slot Reraise in outside of Cid's Missions. At least I like her as a character.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on May 31, 2016, 09:29:48 PM
I see kain is getting a banner in the distant future.

Yuuuuussssssss
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 31, 2016, 09:33:38 PM
Early July, just after Shirtless Sephiroth.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 31, 2016, 10:09:25 PM
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Rinoa (BM Damage up 30%), I think probably marginally less useful than the physical 30% boosts just because of the higher MAG soft cap, but I didn't calculate it out so I may be wrong

For whatever it's worth, +30% Black Magic is a little lower than +20% Magic, something like +20% Magic = +35% damage.  Obviously, if you hit the cap, it's worth increases significantly but as you noted, harder to do so.  The other notable thing is that it doesn't effect Summons and I would assume doesn't work on Memento Mori/Dark Zone either (is it Black Magic the skill-tree or any move that is clasified as "BLK" ala Soul Breaks and the like?)


That said, the new event...kind of rubs me the wrong way?  You have a Yuna wedding event and DON'T put Seymour in, the one thing of FF10 content people are actually asking for?

Also, the new skill feels very clumsily handled in terms of who they gave it to.  It'd be neat and all, but many of the choices are baffling, like Shadow/Edge could REALLY use the 5* skill since they don't have a legit (non-6*) DPS skill, but nope, only 4*.  Who gets 5* meanwhile?  Faris, that character who already has a bunch of randomly tossed on skillsets that she really doesn't need and did not need any help being better, nor has any sort of legit association with the skillset, and already had stuff like Thief's Revenge for DPS.  Nope, screw the Ninjas, we gotta buff Pirate Lady!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on May 31, 2016, 10:50:59 PM
Made an 11 pull on Kuja banner 2, got the generic Gauntlets. It's a useful pull in general (best stats of any 5* bracer I have, only FF9 armor above 3*) but probably not enough of an offense upgrade to merit another hour spent S/Ling on U+ Kuja just to possibly fail anyways. Not like I have any actual need for more Black or Non-elemental orbs in the next ~4 months, anyhow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 31, 2016, 11:29:20 PM
Mastered the Cait Sith event in entirety.

Not going to bother demonstrating my team.  Just know I Mage Meta'd Carry Armor, and he made me actually get Ixion and raise it to R3; was it necessary? No, but it'll be useful in the future since it's the best Thunder damage until Chain Thundaga, and it's AoE.  ALso didn't use as many GSOs as expected. 

Ultimate+ took me 3 tries.  I tried Mage Meta twice, realized it wasn't working because Kuja's DPS was disappointing without Memento Mori (the fight is too long for that to be reasonable), swapped him out for Beatrix, and between Lulu and her Soul Breaks, I figured I wouldn't need shell.  Almost succeeded on first attempt, but a Beam Cannon right before reapplying Sentinel Grimoire = screwed, especally since I was out of ammo.  S/L, approached a little differently by having Terra conserve Bahamut until Proud Clod, having her physical a few times instead for some gauge late in the Yin/Yang fight, and did something similar with Beatrix.  This let me focus on Proud Clod while I would kill the Jammer with Meteor and Bahamut, such that his more dangerous phase had less health.  The Jammer was worth killing because his defense drop helped insure I had the ammo needed, and there was a scare moment where Lulu got hit with a big attack, and Materia Jammer was on, so I couldn't heal her.

Event done, time to do dailies until the Dungeon Update drops sometime this week.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 01, 2016, 01:09:27 AM
Yeah even I'll admit the shooter skills are an odd addition that I think was added just to give Tidus access to water skills outside his BSSB and wasn't thought through at all beyond that. It's not even really a skill tree that makes sense, but whatever.

Also, Rinoa's RM says 黒魔法のダメージ (black magic damage) and isn't more specific than that. I imagine that means SBs are effected as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 01, 2016, 01:20:50 AM
Re Shooter Skills: To be fair, Tidus does get Spellblade 3 via Record Dive, so he can get access to Watera Strike eventually.  It's not the greatest, but it's something to use with En-Water at least when Burst mode ends.
The skill tree itself doesn't really even have a basis in the series (granted, Machinist wasn't really much better all things considered), and the gimmick is kind of boring too.  Hey you do this much damage, but you do marginally more with a throwing weapon!  At least Machinist had the gimmick of being the most reliable (non-Soul Break) status in the game, which is kind of a big deal.


Re Rinoa RM: Probably also works on the Magic side of Darkness too, since I believe those were classified similarly.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: shitpost on June 01, 2016, 02:05:52 AM
jesus fuck people if you dont think the guy that place goal shooter in underwater netball getting shooter skills isn't a big jump then i don't even
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 01, 2016, 04:47:33 AM
Hi grefter
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on June 01, 2016, 05:52:40 AM
fuk u i cant help it if you guys cant do join the dots with basic flavour
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 01, 2016, 07:57:32 AM
So anyway, sorely tempted to do another pull on Banner 1. Figure what I'll do is wait until the banners for the next event come out and then make a decision then. Trying for Wakka's BSSB, Paine's Hastega, Yuna's Medica + Barrier, and heck even Auron's Breakdown seems worth it. The chance of 7*ing Apocalypse is pretty nice too, it's already by far my strongest stat stick ignoring synergy, so hey.

That said, at this point I'm probably hurting for useful FF8 synergy now more than FFX, and it's been a hot second since an FF8 event. Waiting for FF8 would also possibly give me a shot at a much more useful Hastega than Paine's on a character I am marginally less apathetic about (for all that Quistis is pretty lackluster in RK) Another 11 pull also puts me at 4 mythril, which is just inexcusably poor. Hmm. The more I think about it, I should just wait for FF8 (and Squall's inevitable OSB, just so I can have shiny toys for all the characters I rather dislike).

There's also the beginner banner to think about, which... god, with relics so old, and with me so rich, and the fact that we now are guaranteed a 5* on an 11-pull I'm more and more inclined to skip.

In other news, I just noticed that you can now put items into storage! So immediately after I blow like 25 mythril increasing my inventory slots, they doubled it for free. Thanks ODeNA.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 01, 2016, 01:01:19 PM
Currently in drive bars, fill cars mode. The Ultimates have been out since Cait's event went live, but rebuilding my power/black/lightning/wind orb stash is more important, which means I haven't even finished the Elites on the event yet. At least, I mastered Toy Soldier so I can rock Lamia's Flute for complete overkill wave-clearing on Wednesdaily. Still a ways to go before Pulse of Life mastery, but that's how it goes for SSBs. It's sorta nuts that I can currently load up on a full mage party for FF7, though, as long as I bring an instrument user (and I've got character SBs for three of them... so uh yeah).

EDIT: Weekly Gysahl shop update brings... Major Dark, Major Black and Major Lightning in addition to 1 Mythril. Goodbye to 31k greens.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 01, 2016, 03:27:57 PM
They're doing the FF Portal App thing again it seems, which means another potential 10 Mithril and 6 Major Growth Eggs.  Guess I gotta start doing my daily Triple Triads again!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 01, 2016, 04:02:34 PM
(i don't want no scrubs, a scrub is a guy who can't get no love from me)

Tidus' Apocalypse is likely to be all the FF10 synergy you -need- for that event. FF8... we have no real deadline of when they'll drop a new event for the game and with another celebration bannerfest potentially looming close (yes, the historical records seem to match up, though I wouldn't be surprised if they still brought a third OSB to the fray before, possibly delaying it by a couple weeks), even a festbanner may be a better place to grab synergy stuff. Given how insane the average banner quality for event banners has been on JP for the last month or so, a fest will very likely bring up absolutely nutsy potential returns, especially with guaranteed 5*s from 11-pulls.

As for beginner's banners... welcome to the beginner banner problem. They're not worth pulling outside waifu reasons if you have a good set of relics built up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 01, 2016, 11:56:13 PM
All very good points. Sold on saving.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 02, 2016, 07:27:26 AM
Things I realized I could do today while cleaning up the FFX event:

Equip Chain Starter on Tidus and use his OSB
Hone Chain Starter to R2
Depending on how much damage Energy Rain will do to a U+ level boss, potentially build up 3 SB bars, use his Reap and Rush SB, then almost instantly pull off two Energy Rains... potentially absolutely wrecking shit and maybe even skipping the boss's weak phase altogether, if it exists (the battles came out literally 20 minutes ago).

OK, I am getting a little lot more excited for Tidus. God damn it, DeNA.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 02, 2016, 09:39:43 AM
Someone repost that psychotic anime chick laughing maniacally.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 02, 2016, 10:28:14 AM
Speaking of which, they datamined the gacha banner for Tyro's Selection Vol. II and it has Terra's BSB, Sentinel's Grimoire, Shout and Bartz' SSB.

Quote from: Zenny
(https://media.giphy.com/media/9tfNjaoyJv7Gw/giphy.gif)

EDIT: Also, new FF13 event premiering Noel and featuring BSBs for him, Serah and Grefter, but Zenny doesn't care about that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 02, 2016, 01:31:04 PM
Speaking of which, they datamined the gacha banner for Tyro's Selection Vol. II and it has Terra's BSB, Sentinel's Grimoire, Shout and Bartz' SSB.

OK, well I know where all my mythril will be going to.

And yes, I don't give a damn about FF13, though now that it's getting more events synergy will probably be on the list after FF8.

Anyway, took down Ultimate Seymour. I‥ wow, OK, there is a time to admit when you're wrong, and I was flat out wrong about OSBs. I thought they were conceptually kinda lackluster in comparison to BSBs and many SSBs, but, just‥ wow.

At least with synergy, there is a lot of value in being able to crank out 80000 damage in one go against a U level boss, even if you don't get any other benefit.

In other words,

Quote from: Zenny
(https://media.giphy.com/media/9tfNjaoyJv7Gw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 02, 2016, 01:45:24 PM
Beat but didn't master U+ Kuja, which I can live with. I don't feel like going back and trying to shave turns off that slugfest. My big takeaway is that now that I can field a full trinity I was able to keep pace with him well and reduce most of his damage to negligible levels, which has me feeling good about my setup for future U+'s that aren't so assholish with medal conditions.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 02, 2016, 01:48:15 PM
The sad part is that you know they're inevitably going to Power Creep the **** out of OSBs like they did with SSBs.  That 12x damage isn't enough, let's tag on some other effect too, totally balanced!

I'm hoping they show SOME restraint this time around, like the OSBs that do something like Party Def Up are missing something, like a lower Mult (10x instead of 12x) or lack an element thereby restricting their damage potential.  Power Creep is inevitable, but there are ways to handle it without making it seem so blatantly "THIS IS JUST BETTER!"

That said, is Noel the first character released who gets his BSB out of the gate?  I wanna say Paine didn't, and she feels like the only one I'm questionable on. 

Ah well, Noel was inevitable addition (especially after Paine, basically the only character who is in a similar position), nice to see they got him out of the way with sooner rather than later, and nice that this event adds a new character; was afraid the next FF13 Event would be something lame like "Lightning's Savior Outfit! LR BASED THEME!" and her OSB weapon being based on that really dumb looking sword she uses.
Speaking of which, I am a bit surprised they didn't give Lightning her OSB here, but I guess that's normal for new Soul Break tiers; go several (normal) events before releasing a new one, and slowly make them increasingly more available, usually after a Celebration occurs (which shouldn't be far off.)  Makes sense they'd re-release her BSB here, granted.



Also, Tyro's new Banner...wow, that's just straight up better isn't?  All SSB or better tier relics except for Sentinel Grimoire which, well, is Sentinel Grimoire.  As sexy as the banner is, it's inevitably going to be changed in global (pretty sure they changed the beginner banner itself), so no point in getting excited over it.  This isn't a complaint, so much as just being realistic, as these kinds of banners (namely ones not linked directly to an event) change all the time in Global, sometimes for the better even.  Still gives a good sense of what to look forward to in terms of quality of relics I suppose, since I doubt they'll change the "2 BSBs + various SSBs" thing.

EDIT: Also, Terra's again one of the "big items" on the banner again...if her Tiara appears on the Volume 3 banner, I think we can in fact call this "Terra Keeper."  Tangentially, the Free Item are all armors this time around too.

I'd have to look at the previous selection to get a sense of what to expect since I imagine, at minimum, they won't repeat anything on there.  I believe stuff like Rosa's White Dress was on there for example, suggesting that Golbez's Ebon Armor has a good shot.  I'd say the FF6 equip is probably Relm's Cat-Ear Hood or Gau's Diving Mask thanks to Terra's relic, but I believe Faris had a Banner item AND a selection item last time around, so I could be horribly wrong.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 02, 2016, 02:00:15 PM
I'm honestly shocked that they haven't power-crept the mastery bonus. I figured for sure it'd be up to +20 or +30 stat for the third iteration.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 02, 2016, 02:04:55 PM
The power creep on new SB tiers generally comes in waves (until the first new tier celebration, they do just damage, -then- they start getting side effects, -then- the side effects keep getting nutsy. It wasn't until Yuna's SSB that they started getting side effects, for instance. BSBs began gaining them with Tyro's Keeper Tome) and the mastery bonus honestly isn't really why people pull on SSBs and onward, anyway. They've stopped giving actual thought to those ages ago, I don't think they've bothered to change from ATK/DEF/MND since Ingus' Break Blade.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 02, 2016, 03:10:43 PM
IMPORTANT UPDATE: Cloud is ready for his dates.

(http://s33.postimg.org/bsnhp3qnj/Date_Night_Cloud.jpg)

Now, back to our regularly scheduled shenanigans.

Anyhow, beat Ultimate Carry Armor with a partly gimmick setup. Here's the basic idea:

https://imgur.com/5IiKZ5t

Here are the results:

https://imgur.com/PFdOWmS

Anyhow, the gist of it was mainly blitzing its multipart ass with summons while Beatrix provided mitigation and healing support with Draw Fire and Curaja (she actually rocked 3.6k Curajas even without synergy! She's kinda legit with a proper RM and Save the Queen). Ace Striker ensured Cait Sith had Toy Soldier ready for Carry Armor's sub-50% phase, where he gains a 100 Magic boost and Lapis Laser spam starts looking pretty scary without Wall. One S/L due to Beatrix eating it to a stray physical just before casting Curaja, but otherwise functional. Ultimate+ will be dealt with later, have to ponder the gauntlet first.

EDIT: GRAH, this Ultimate+. Mastered with just one S/L, but this was a bitch. Didn't even remember to take snapshots. Setup:

L80 Ramza: R3 Full Break, R4 Power Breakdown, Mako Might
L62 Cait Sith: R2 Protectga, R5 Curaja, Dr. Mog's Teachings
L70 Aerith: R2 Shellga, R5 Maduin
L80 Lightning: R4 Lifesiphon, R5 Tempo Flurry
L80 Gilgamesh: R4 Lifesiphon, R3 Saint Cross

Sentinel's Grimoire RW

The S/L came from Yin/Yang dropping Sadistic Attacks turn two after focusing on Ramza turn one before I could put up at least Protect/Shellga. This said, this is a real test of hones. In hindsight, I'd have swapped Tempo Flurry for Pound (the added damage per attack would've made more of a difference than the higher hones), but I needed Maduin for Yin/Yang and both MT defensive buffs throughout the gauntlet. Toy Soldier was pretty dang good as well and Cait having Curaja instead of Aerith was my lifesaver against Proudclad, since he downed her before I could put up my second SG RW charge and she revived due to Pulse of Life. Panic defend, queue Curaja, survive a Knee Blend due to defend, queue SG and Shout, Curaja resolves, now things are back on track. Kimaira also gave me a scare when he dropped a 4.3k Freeze (!) on Ramza while he was charging Shout (I saved the second SG charge for Proudclad). I mean, Ramza survived, but that was really close and then he got stopped as well. That was annoying. Regardless, suddenly I'm glad I pulled the Wizard Staff, since it saved me some grief on the nastiest fight in the event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 02, 2016, 07:38:32 PM
Looking at my abilities, I'm tempted to breakdown Fat Chocobo and maybe Ultros.  Ultros I'm more leery on because I know at very least it's minimal damage insures it always does something meaningful (something like 4800 at worst), and while unlikely, it can break 20k damage.  It's mult is equal to Valduin of course.

Fat Chocobo though?  Not sure I can find a use for it offhand.  It's good for Rinoa's En-Earth Soul Break, but I don't have that anyway.  The number of things weak to Earth is really low, and I know about 6 months from now, they'll release the Stone series anyway, including Chain Stonega, rendering Fat Chocobo moot anyway. 

So any reason I shouldn't break down Fat CHocobo?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 02, 2016, 07:42:31 PM
I keep it because the orbs I'd get from shattering it are less than I'd spend to make Quake later if I need to hit earth weakness for a medal condition in the next six months.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 02, 2016, 08:08:00 PM
The orb combo from Fat Chocobo is also pretty bad. Greater Earth at least gets used as fodder for Full Charge and Saint Cross (though this is hardly a concern for me at this point), but what are you using Greater Fires for at this point of the game? Three Greater Summon Orbs also don't really do much of anything by themselves.

EDIT: THIS SAID, I have approximately zero intention of honing Fat Chocobo and I -do- have Rinoa's En-Earth SB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 02, 2016, 10:08:26 PM
It's mostly the GSOs I want, and the GSOs are exactly why I won't hone, since if I'll to save those for Valduin, Ixion, and eventually Alexander...you know, 4* summons I might actually use?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on June 03, 2016, 04:05:59 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/AcJfW6Hl.jpg)

http://i.imgur.com/VhPgebI.jpg

I should probably just default to Garnet/Agrias/Seph/Red/Penelo for every ultimate, going Terra instead of Agrias failed miserably
Non-SG natives probably shouldn't kill Jammer Armor, because sg will run out and then BEAM CANNON
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 03, 2016, 06:28:02 AM
So apparently another FFRK Quiz thing is happening based on user answers.  This translates to me as "yay, 5 more Mithril out of nowhere!"

I almost feel like it's the 1 year Anniversary + 10 million download moment again...except without Lucky Draws and 75 Mithril to match.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 03, 2016, 12:21:05 PM
Looking ahead to the next event....on the one hand, my FF13 synergy is pretty terrible -- I have Peacemaker, a 4++ glove, and the freebie gun and jack o' lantern. Not only is that not much, but my A team is [Gilgamesh/Lightning], Ramza, Agrias, Mog and Eiko, so I can't even use two of them at once without sacrificing mitigation, boostga or hastega. (Maybe I could use Irvine for breakdowns instead of Ramza? Kinda doubt the synergy boost from Goddess' Tribute is worth that....) On the other hand, neither banner offers much hope of a fix; what I really need is a sword, dagger or katana I can give to Agrias or Ramza, and the only thing that fits the bill is Lightning's BSB sword. Which, y'know, would be awesome, but I'm not hanging my hopes on it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 03, 2016, 12:50:34 PM
Vanilla FF13 synergy is a BITCH to get, due to its banners being often awkward and scattered all over the place in order to account for diversity. If you're looking for Gilgamesh synergy, at least banner 2 offers Fang's Partisan and Snow's Power Circle, but then you also have to contend with Serah's bow and the rest of the filler (and, in practice, you're better off aiming for Overture and Fang's Glaive instead. Dear god). Pull if you must, but don't get your hopes up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 03, 2016, 12:55:17 PM
Gilgamesh can use the 4++ Power Glove (and why wouldn't he???? (http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3861173/image00.jpg)) so I really would just be praying for the Lightning BSB. Not pulling, just lamenting that it makes no sense to pull despite my lack of synergy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 03, 2016, 01:56:01 PM
That's a recurring theme with FF13 banners since Peacemaker's debut. To make matters worse, Caius is, from all accounts, a pain in the ass of a U+ and Bahamut Chaos ain't much better. At least, Peacemaker will make short work of the rest of the event for you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 03, 2016, 02:30:27 PM
I guess I should count myself blessed that my FF13 synergy is decent.

I have, offhand:

Blazefire Sabre (Lucky Draw)
Keepsake Knife (Beginner's Banner)
Kaiser Knuckles (Off Banner pull on an FF6 banner)
Feral Garb (ditto)
Wyrmfang (White Mage Lucky Draw)
Pumpkin (Free)
The New Years Gun (Free)
Witch's Hat (Free)


Basically, yeah, nothing from an actual FF13 Banner, all Lucky Draws, Off Banner Pulls, and give aways.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 03, 2016, 02:52:23 PM
On a happier note, it's accessory time in the chocobo shop, which means I can buy a third ATK +30 item and jettison a whole lot of realm-specific 20 point gear.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 03, 2016, 02:58:35 PM
I'd beeline exclusively for the 30+ stat boosting (include the +20 and +10 to two different stats stuff) and elem resist gear. So much to aim for, so little weed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 03, 2016, 03:02:24 PM
That Gigas Armlet is especially sexy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 03, 2016, 03:12:53 PM
Yes, it is. Also, elemental resistances and weaknesses override each other, so, if you have a water-resistant armor (like FF12's Viking Coat or FF10's Al-Bhed Jumper), it cancels out the weakness and replaces with the minor resistance. I'm likely buying a second copy of that, since I have both armors.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 03, 2016, 03:40:37 PM
So Noel dropped and they seem to have problems with FF13-2 characters for some reason.

At first, he seems cool, having Thief 4 and White Magic 4, but then you realize his only 5* is Combat, he also gets Celerity 4.  He gets Thief 5 via record Dive, but there lies the second problem: His speed is only 158, so he can't get 5 hit Thief's Raid, and unlike someone like Vaan, he doesn't have other perks to make up for it. 

Also, his BSB is clearly a Support based one, but he doesn't get any levels in Support, making me wonder if he was suppose to have Support 5 instead of Combat 5.  If it wasn't a mistake, they really should have given him Celerity 5 so he could at least Chain Starter + Full Charge combo. 

Honestly, they had interesting potential with him, but botched it in a number of subtle yet obvious ways.  Between the way they handled him and Serah, it feels like they didn't care about FF13-2 and just kind of did it out of a sense of necessity, more so than actual caring (in Noel's case, I can at least kind of see how they screwed that up, but there's no excuse with Serah; even before Raines, you look at Hope and just go "Why not use him?  Slightly lower magic for Summons and higher White levels 4, is there anything I'm missing?")
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 03, 2016, 04:05:30 PM
Honestly, they're pretty much shilling Noel's BSB. First Combat 5 unit to have a relic that gives him a full breakdown skillset, which in no way overlaps with any of his remaining options and Lifesiphon means he can fuel it essentially forever. They've been balancing characters primarily with their relics in mind for a long time and this just emphasizes it further. FF13-2's case is just particularly egregious in that they don't even pretend otherwise, and it's compounded by their clear disinterest in the entry itself. Noel would've been a cool PC if he was introduced like a year ago, but at the point they are in JP, the general combo's just "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh".
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 03, 2016, 04:40:12 PM
With BSBfest coming soonish and what used to be my overriding need (hastega) finally settled, I figure it's a good idea to take stock of where I am relic-wise and figure out what I should be pulling for in the future. Thinking mainly in terms of SBs rather than synergy right now, since I can summarize my synergy needs pretty simply as "swords and daggers for FF5, 6 and 13, and any melee weapon for FF4."

SSBs:
Cloud – Blade Beam (MT damage)
Gilgamesh – Faithful Companion (MT damage, party high regen)
Lightning – Crushing Blow (MT lightning damage)
Rinoa – Wishing Star (Random 5 hit magic damage)

Medica:
Lenna – Princess' Favor (Cura+party high regen)
Yuna – Hymn of the Fayth (Cura+party high regen)
Yuffie – Clear Tranquil (40% heal, instant)
Ashe – Northswain's Glow (Cure+AOE white magic damage)

Medica/Hastega:
Eiko – Emerald Light (Cura+hastega)

Boostga:
Mog – Sunbath (30% boostga+high regen)
Sabin – Razor Gale (30% boostga+MT wind damage)
Galuf – Fist of the Dawn (35% boostga+ST single hit damage)
Desch – Selfless Spirit (35% ATK/DEF up+50% mHP self damage)

Mitigation:
Agrias – Cleansing Strike (40%ATK/MAG down+ST damage)
Kimahri – Mighty Guard X (party magic blink)
Auron – Dragon Fang (MT ATK breakdown+damage)

Damage:
Ramza – Hail of Stones (ST damage+100% stun)
Irvine – Fast Ammo (Random target damage)
Squall – Fated Circle (ST damage+lesser MT damage)
Thancred – Dancing Edge (ST damage+DEF breakdown)
Vivi – Doublecast Venom (ST poison magic damage)
Rydia – Diamond Dust (MT single hit ice magic damage)
DK Cecil – Darkness (MT single hit dark damage+self damage)

My biggest need currently is mitigation. I rely heavily on the double offensive breakdown of Cleansing Strike, which is a great move but also restricts my party composition pretty significantly -- see the coming FF13 event, where I have little choice but to field a character with zero weapon synergy rather than using my spare gun or throwing weapon. Wall obviously would be fantastic, but any move that stacks with breakdowns and comes with a character not locked to swords/daggers represents a big improvement in my flexibility.

Similarly, boostgas. I have a bunch! But they're on characters with very limited skillsets, and Desch in particular is a big offensive liability if he doesn't have an elemental weakness to hit. (On the other hand, thanks to Emerald Light his self-damage is no longer an issue because whenever I put up buffs there's a Medica along for the ride) Mog's my go-to but he is getting less and less helpful on offense as U+ bosses' RES ramps up and Diaga drops from solid damage to sub-3K.

I'm pretty well set for Medicas. Emerald Light is a very strong two-for-one deal and if I don't need to bring a native Hastega I can replace it with Yuna or Lenna's versions of HOTF or, when I eventually find a good ability combo for her, forego a second white mage and bring Yuffie.

Damage is waaaaaaaaaaay down the list, which is a nice luxury to have. BSBs would be very appreciated and take the pressure off my hones in a major way, but in terms of big damage SB/SSBs, I can't complain much.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nephrite on June 03, 2016, 07:56:08 PM
So we might be getting that Mobius Event. (https://ffrkstrategy.gamematome.jp/game/951/wiki/Equipment_Rarity%205_Helm%20of%20Light%20(I))
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 03, 2016, 08:49:39 PM
While that looks promising, it's also possible they just shove that onto a celebration banner to get the relic into Global, and we still miss the event.

Still would be nice if we got granted and hoping that's what it implies.

EDIT: ok, I take that back.  It seems Kitase just spoke out about Moebius' Localization being well underway and that we should here about it "Soon" which of course is speak for "I have no idea when we're going to do that, just know it's in the forsee-able future!"  but this is a huge step up compared to the radio silence about the game's localization.

With that in mind, seems very plausible we may get the event after-all.  I'm getting the sense that the event may appear later than it did in Japan though, to coincide with Moebius' release, which while would be less than ideal, I'd be fine with.  Changing the order of events?  Sure, I'm fine with that, it's just when we lose an event entirely that's annoying, so the "when" doesn't really matter to me, more the "if".


SPEAKING of collabs, seems Noel (the summon, not the FF13-2 PC) is 4x2 damage, making it on par with Quetzcotl.  This...kind of sucks, honestly, for a 4*.  Leviabeetus, Fat Ass Bird, and WHY AREN'T YOU WIND Sea Serpent are all 4.4x2 and I can't see myself using any of them save MAYBE Leviabeetus if I really need increased water damage.

Feels like the only 4* Damage summons worth anything are:
Laser Chicken: Strongest one, basically Meteor that hits twice, but slightly stronger.
Daddy Branford: Is literally Laser Chicken with a different orb cost
Big ****ing Robot: Best source of Holy elemental Mag based damage for a number of characters, one of the only ways to get MT Holy damage, and it's mult is only marginally below the above two.
Electric Unicorn: Less useful than Robot because easier to get Lightning damage, but it's still AoE, equal in damage to the robot, and ignores reflect, so has it's uses (I saw it used on U+ Omega for example); also breaks damage cap unlike Thundaja, which is notable since we aren't getting Chain Thundaga for a while, and even when we do, there's the damage cap thing.
Octopus Royalty: Strongest potential 4* Summon (I think it is straight up strongest without weaknesses actually?  It seems the "minimal damage" is just added to the raw damage, so that's 2600 extra damage per casting that this has over the other 9.6x damage summons; could be wrong), albeit you probably won't get it that high, but still there.


EDIT 2: Just tested the minimal damage theory, I'm just wrong.  I went in against the U+ because 1 Stamina fight that won't take 9999 from Meteor.  I did Meteor vs. Ixion, Ixion is barely stronger (9.2 vs. 9), so if minimal damage were added on at the end, Ixiion should do more than 2% more than Meteor.

Meteor: 4725
Ixion: 2425x2, or 4850.

That's a 2% difference, so yeah, I'm wrong, oh well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 05, 2016, 11:27:59 PM
Minimum damage is just literally what it sounds like. The skill can't deal less than that minimum limit per hit. Which is why it's kind of notable with Ultros.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/4mnjkb/new_community_challenge_the_tier_challenge/

Also, Reddit is trying to reverse engineer Nyarlie's Dungeon and it's so unbalanced it's adorable.
Not really the mods' faults since they are just using the popularity Tier list instead of a more objective utility Tier list or anything that would actually take into account SBs.

Still. I love Nyarlie's-style team drafting. So this will be fun to see if it catches on and evolves into something better.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 06, 2016, 03:47:05 AM
It wasn't entirely popularity based, as many did vote on who they legitimately thought was best, but there was definitely some popularity aspects clouding people's judgments.

I know the big one is people arguing that Yuna shouldn't be so much higher than Arc when they have very similar skillsets and Arc even has an actually useful Default Soul Break (Shellga clone) while Yuna has a garbage one.  It was of course noted that Yuna has had a lot of opportunities to get an actually decent one compared to Arc, and that should be taken into account, since someone who got a Yuna relic would obviously see her in higher light, and a much higher chance someone has a Yuna relic than an Arc relic.

That said, the real issue with the tier-list idea is that RK Tiers shift a lot over time.  Case in point, look at what happened to Firion.

In Global?  He kind of sucks.  A nice weapon draw is about the only thing good he has going for him.  Otherwise, he's only got Combat 5 for a legitimate skillset, and has to rely on compliments from Celerity 3 and Support 3 which aren't going to cut it.   His stats are unremarkable too; they're not bad per se, but he doesn't stand out in anything so you can't even pretend he's like Sephiroth whose got stupid good stats (in the ones that matter) to compensate for his lack of other qualities.  Add in some unremarkable unique soul breaks, and we have a pretty blech character.

In Japan?  He's one of the best characters in the game on paper.  He goes from "Good weapon draw" to "Can use every meaningful physical weapon except guns" so he'll never run into synergy problems ever (unless you're relying on a bunch of Guns.)  Samurai 5 was tossed on giving him more flexibility in the moveset, notably a bunch of AoE moves and Mirror of Equity for those who don't have a Boostga (or alternatively, rely on lesser Boostgas like the plethora of +30-35% Monk ones), and he can even use the new Shooter moveset to get a Saint Cross level attack if he needs shear DPS.  Record Dive also adds in Support 4 and Spellblade 3, so now he can eventually use Breakdowns AND hit elemental weaknesses to allow more flexibility (also access to Drain Strike, allowing him to relieve some work on the healers).  Oh yeah, also got some mild stat buffs too, because why not?


So yeah, even if it was worked out, between balance updates, and new characters, skills, etc., the tiers shift a lot.  Heck, the original Reddit Tier list had Vivi on the top and look how far he fell.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 06, 2016, 07:16:33 AM
So, for what I can gather from what people say of stuff in the Ghysahl Shop...

Must get:
Gigas Armlet

Good idea (stats):
Cursed Ring (+35 total)
Cerberus Relief
Squall's Necklace
Doctor Cid's Glasses

Good idea (resists):
Skybreaker Earrings
Flame Cloak
Coral Ring

Non-offensive:
Burtal Earring
Tremor Earrings (Not a lot of bosses using Earth-elemental stuff)

Not-so-good idea:
Soulfont Talisman
Mythril Armlet
Momento Ring
Crystal Ring


That sound about right?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 06, 2016, 09:48:02 AM
Well of course the Tier list changes over time, but the Tier list also updates pretty regularly. The changing Tier list isn't the problem so much as the lack of oversight on how the Tier list translates into character pricing for the team drafting, which is kinda the main gimmick of the challenge. If they had some human eyes on the list instead of leaving it to the whims of the collective and all its popularity biases and just outright trolls, I trust they could make a better balanced list.  Maybe not perfect, but certainly better than the current Tier list which is, admittedly, not THAT bad, but still clearly full of problems for a challenge like this.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 06, 2016, 11:24:29 AM
Get the Memento Ring for sure. Major KO resistance is significantly more valuable than Moderate for gravity resistance but is super rare - only two of them tp date in Japan.

IMO the stat boosting items are not that important. You'll never need more than one +30 mind item, and +atk will be massively devalued in a few months as stuff like record dive and mc3s exist. You'd really only be using it for the next 1-2 FF8 events, plus maybe the next few weeks before we get another +30 atk accessory from the next FF6 event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 06, 2016, 02:46:29 PM
I bought a Memento Ring and Gigas Armlet as well as a Brutal and Tremor Earring. The latter two were mostly for completionism reasons, while the former were because they're just pretty danged good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 06, 2016, 05:35:58 PM
I might grab some accessories simply so I can weed out some of those 4* with superior 5* options.  Not sure about it yet, granted, but probably just go with Gigas Armlet and Memento Ring.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 06, 2016, 07:28:49 PM
Currently plowing through DU21 because Mondays. All classics done, only FF3 Elites left. In the meantime, picked RMs from Hope and Refia, which saves a bit of time on my end.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 06, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Also because Mondays, I decided to go grind Quina's RM2 instead of doing anything productive.

Now all I have left to get is Yuffie's Thunderstroke clone and Beatrix's Pride of the Red Wings clone.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 06, 2016, 10:16:36 PM
I've been doing Mondailies because hey, why not get more Gysahl Greens?

The other reason is I'm at 163 4/5's stamina and want to save a Stamina recharge for tonight, to get through the Auto Battle phase of the event ASAP, and I hate getting Stamina refreshes while at work to boot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 07, 2016, 08:13:51 AM
Bursts are super fun to use, so whatever I'm pulling for Lightning's. Doesn't hurt that my 13 synergy is kinda weak outside of the freebies. Mostly I just have Hoperangs and a Keepsake Knife. Annoyingly, I have zero relics for the only character I like from 13, Snow, but his SSB is on banner 2 and that doesn't feature a chance to get Burst, so fuck him.

3x 11 pulls. First one is reckt. Ouch. Second one is four Shinies. Generic 13 white stick and... 3x Serah's gloves. Fuckin A. Last try. Four more Shinies! Holy crap! Serah's gloves. Again. Golden Armlet. And another one! Dammit!

Oh snap, there's Lightning's Burst. Excellent.

I guess I could stop but I realize I haven't done my hundred gem pull. Another five star Armlet. Jesus Christ I now have 7 of these. And 4 of Serah's bangle. Plus two 4++ silver arm lets. I have so many 13 bangles I am going to take basically no damage on any of these 13-realm fights. Awesome but overkill.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 07, 2016, 12:10:29 PM
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcReUJ8wbWHxtFuiXOLTKe-nWeBqOFa73587A94R-zXPjYgUM5_SR1pCWAIVMQ)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 07, 2016, 04:41:49 PM
My FF13 Synergy is solid enough, so I only did the 100 Gem Pull...and it yielded complete garbage!

Finished the event thus far.  Nothing stand out other than Juggernaught had me S/L right at the end when it pulled an incinerate right at the end, when mitigation was down (he was a Saint Cross away from being killed, which Snow had almost readied), and it killed off Serah.  S/L, played slightly more cautiously, kicked his ass.

Speaking of which, apparently Japan has a whole tier named after Serah, which is "Character who adds absolutely nothing to their realm" which sadly, yeah, Serah qualifies as.

I feel like only the FF4 Twins and Strago really belong on that list, though Strago at least has the excuse of Storyline PC while Terra and Kefka (his main competition) are both event/Hall of Rites PCs, so conceivable you'd have him but not those two.  Same can't be said for Porom/Palom, who compete with multiple Sages, and unique characters in their role,
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 07, 2016, 04:45:52 PM
With BSBfest coming soonish and what used to be my overriding need (hastega) finally settled, I figure it's a good idea to take stock of where I am relic-wise and figure out what I should be pulling for in the future. Thinking mainly in terms of SBs rather than synergy right now, since I can summarize my synergy needs pretty simply as "swords and daggers for FF5, 6 and 13, and any melee weapon for FF4."

SSBs:
Cloud – Blade Beam (MT damage)
Gilgamesh – Faithful Companion (MT damage, party high regen)
Lightning – Crushing Blow (MT lightning damage)
Rinoa – Wishing Star (Random 5 hit magic damage)

Medica:
Lenna – Princess' Favor (Cura+party high regen)
Yuna – Hymn of the Fayth (Cura+party high regen)
Yuffie – Clear Tranquil (40% heal, instant)
Ashe – Northswain's Glow (Cure+AOE white magic damage)

Medica/Hastega:
Eiko – Emerald Light (Cura+hastega)

Boostga:
Mog – Sunbath (30% boostga+high regen)
Sabin – Razor Gale (30% boostga+MT wind damage)
Galuf – Fist of the Dawn (35% boostga+ST single hit damage)
Desch – Selfless Spirit (35% ATK/DEF up+50% mHP self damage)

Mitigation:
Agrias – Cleansing Strike (40%ATK/MAG down+ST damage)
Kimahri – Mighty Guard X (party magic blink)
Auron – Dragon Fang (MT ATK breakdown+damage)

Damage:
Ramza – Hail of Stones (ST damage+100% stun)
Irvine – Fast Ammo (Random target damage)
Squall – Fated Circle (ST damage+lesser MT damage)
Thancred – Dancing Edge (ST damage+DEF breakdown)
Vivi – Doublecast Venom (ST poison magic damage)
Rydia – Diamond Dust (MT single hit ice magic damage)
DK Cecil – Darkness (MT single hit dark damage+self damage)

My biggest need currently is mitigation. I rely heavily on the double offensive breakdown of Cleansing Strike, which is a great move but also restricts my party composition pretty significantly -- see the coming FF13 event, where I have little choice but to field a character with zero weapon synergy rather than using my spare gun or throwing weapon. Wall obviously would be fantastic, but any move that stacks with breakdowns and comes with a character not locked to swords/daggers represents a big improvement in my flexibility.

Similarly, boostgas. I have a bunch! But they're on characters with very limited skillsets, and Desch in particular is a big offensive liability if he doesn't have an elemental weakness to hit. (On the other hand, thanks to Emerald Light his self-damage is no longer an issue because whenever I put up buffs there's a Medica along for the ride) Mog's my go-to but he is getting less and less helpful on offense as U+ bosses' RES ramps up and Diaga drops from solid damage to sub-3K.

I'm pretty well set for Medicas. Emerald Light is a very strong two-for-one deal and if I don't need to bring a native Hastega I can replace it with Yuna or Lenna's versions of HOTF or, when I eventually find a good ability combo for her, forego a second white mage and bring Yuffie.

Damage is waaaaaaaaaaay down the list, which is a nice luxury to have. BSBs would be very appreciated and take the pressure off my hones in a major way, but in terms of big damage SB/SSBs, I can't complain much.

Late, but now that I can actually look at your list, what I think you really want in terms of SBs is widening your utility (mainly strong Support SBs, which honestly are still incoming - picking up, say, Faris' BSB in a couple months or Fran's SSB could ease off the pressure on your Agrias at a minimum). For Yuffie, she works wonderfully with a decently honed Thief's Revenge once she breaks the L74 barrier (170 Speed for 5-hit TR) - if you have R4 Dismissal, just R2 on it is enough. When Ninja scrolls are useful, your Cardinal's also an okay option for her. Offensive SSBs with special effects could also work decently, and they're only going to get more common (Yda's SSB is a nice example, for instance). Regardless, ideally you want to do some research on future banners via reddit/kongbakpao and look at what may grab your fancy. And then cross fingers.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 07, 2016, 09:21:55 PM
Eh, I would say pulling on BSBs is also not a bad idea for him since he doesn't really farm religiously. Since getting a comfy number of BSBs my farming is mostly useful for making numbers go up in my inventory, and the odd time when a skill suddenly becomes useful (hi chain starter) and I need to R3 it immediately. Once you have a character that can use special attacks for 4 turns (usually this is enough to cycle through to another BSB going off as well), all you ever really end up needing is an R3 lifesiphon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 07, 2016, 10:00:39 PM
Finally got around to Arena U+.  Man, not even Snow's ridiculous Shout RW lasted the whole thing, I don't even want to know what non-SG havers suffered in this.  That said, Sephiroth was running Dark Bargain so his SSB was plenty to finish it off.  Still, that is so much hp.

Also ran the main course XIII-2 stuff.  Since I did it last night, ran without a boostga.  Easy master but man, forgot just how much offense any other RW costs you.  Oh well.  Good to stay in practice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 07, 2016, 10:19:58 PM
I saved SG's RW casts in-between fights (didn't feel like running Y'shtola myself, kept me from running Aerith for Pulse of Life mastery), so I figure that's how they coped. Not fun, since Kimaira's Freeze is an easy 4k on a fighter even with Shell up if no other mitigation's running.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 07, 2016, 10:22:15 PM
Eh, I would say pulling on BSBs is also not a bad idea for him since he doesn't really farm religiously. Since getting a comfy number of BSBs my farming is mostly useful for making numbers go up in my inventory, and the odd time when a skill suddenly becomes useful (hi chain starter) and I need to R3 it immediately. Once you have a character that can use special attacks for 4 turns (usually this is enough to cycle through to another BSB going off as well), all you ever really end up needing is an R3 lifesiphon.

Agreed, though the better idea there would be pulling on a celebration banner at the current juncture. Until BSBs become a weekly thing, the banners running those are pretty consistently underwhelming. Welp, there's the celebration coming at the end of the month, so yeah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 07, 2016, 11:24:16 PM
Oh yeah, I agree, in my mind it went without saying. BSB celebration banner is gonna be the time to get it. Cecil's Enholy BSB is probably actually better than Beatrix's Imperil Holy BSB in a vaccuum, and even the boobie prize BSBs (Terra's and Tidus') are more than servicable. Bartz's has gotten me through the last 6 months comfortably, and Tyro's is just godly for stacking mitigations (and frankly I've come to really appreciate how flexible the little brat can be in a party. I want to fit in Waifu Ramza? He's a mage now. Want to fit in Waifu Terra? He's support. Want to just wreck with a Shout RW? Tyro smaaaaaaash).

Only idiots pull on the Lightning BSB banner.

And, CK, Snow's right. Basically I had just gotten Zack's hastega, so I saved up a couple charges of that for Chimera to skip that phase, and SG'd at the start and for Carry Armor. Wasn't that hard actually.  Certainly not harder than Kuja and his bullshit Lightning spam.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 08, 2016, 12:37:01 AM

Only idiots pull on the Lightning BSB banner.


Incidentally, how bad of a person does it make me that I enjoyed this (https://www.reddit.com/r/FFRecordKeeper/comments/4mwa6g/dangerous_beauty_relic_pull_megathread_banner_1/d3yumce) out of pure schadenfreude?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 12:59:13 AM
Holy shit, he -actually- went all the way down?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 08, 2016, 02:32:54 AM
I detect nothing there that indicates you being a bad person. You can enjoy that shadenfruede guilt free
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 08, 2016, 10:53:15 AM
Tidus' BSB is one of the best ones in Burst Fest. Top three are probably Tyro > Cecil > Tidus. Bartz's is decent for hitting some rare elemental weaknesses for mastery reqs on some regular dungeons and has decent DPS. Terra's is only serviceable as much as that pains me to admit. Cloud's is... well it was around for months before the other BSBs appeared and it's still decent for farming dailies I guess? And having a good FF7 relic doesn't hurt. Still clearly the weak link of the featured BSBs.

Still, the EnElement + Elemental Burst Command combo is too good to call Tidus' BSB a consolation prize, not matter your feelings on Tidus. Water isn't as common a weakness as Cecil's Holy, but it's also rarely resisted, and the Burst Commands are Water/Non-elemental so bosses can't even completely wall it with resistance/absorption.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 11:15:14 AM
Terra's BSB is better for weakness-hitting than Bartz' while Bartz' is better for burst damage. Terra's BSB commands run off multi-hit 10x mults, which is honestly amazing if you're hitting weakness and/or stacking a buff on top. This said, they're both workhorses and Bartz' BSB itself, burst mode aside, is actually worse than his SSB (same mult and targetting, but no 50% DEF party buff).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 08, 2016, 11:22:57 AM
Tidus' hurts from severe deficiency of water-weak enemies in content that this discussion matters for. I suppose he does still get the bonus from Enwater, but overall I'd argue Bartz's is more useful, not just because he can hit 4 times the elements for mastery reqs, but also because Bartz has a way better skillset... specifically, he has Theif while Tidus doesn't. Don't have shout? It's cool, Bartz can steal power. Tidus doesn't really have a self ATK buff, which is a godsend when you're not running a Boostga.

In fairness, the Enwater probably makes up for that (it doubles the multiplier for water elemental attacks, right?), and if you do have shout is strictly better damage wise for sure, unless up against non-water weakness... which, again, Bartz hits more of, and Tidus can hit none of even in JP now.

(plus tidus just sucks)

ghostedit: Yeaaaaaah, Magic 10x mults are like physical 4x (this number is pulled out of my ass I don't actually know the equivalent multiplier) mults in practice, Snow, at least until the Faithgas come out and the MAG softcap gets raised, and even then physicals and magic tend to be about equivalent damage wise even with Mag *consistently* having way higher mults.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 11:30:27 AM
The thing with ATK is mostly the softcap problem. In -Global-, we're already at the point any self-respecting setup with Shout rams ATK softcaps, and Burst boosts + even a 30% Boostga like Mog's also gets there. Even at the lower cap of 742 for MAG, the boost from Burst has more potential - it's just harder to buff as of now on Global because the phys/mag balance right now is full swing on physical. Also worth noting that it takes until -Full Charge- for a physical ability to break the 4x mult barrier.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 08, 2016, 11:57:52 AM
Yeah, gonna stop you there, because while physicals don't break 4x until Full Charge, in practice this DOESN'T MATTER. You still crank out equivalent damage numbers off of smaller mults with physicals. A lot of this probably has to do with enemy res but the reasons are moot. A 9x mult magic skill on a good setup is gonna do only slightly more than a 2-3x physical skill as long as you're building for it.

Welcome to whose stat is it anyway, where the difference in mults between physical and magic skills don't matter.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 12:42:33 PM
Yes and no. The deal with physicals is that they scale off better than magic due to higher exponentials, so they benefit more from buffs below the softcap. The difference in mults between physical skills and physical SSBs is also a lot higher (2.3 on 4* vs. 7.99 on ST SSBs), while magical SSBs aren't even double the mult of a -ja (17.9 vs. 9 - i.e. why magical SSBs -suck- at damage), so in practice physicals crank out better damage in the age where you don't deal damage without buffs. Magic has superior -potential- due to getting nearly double the softcap later on (you get more damage out of a 1000 MAG mage than a 1000 ATK fighter given roughly equivalent -relative- mults due to the MAG cap being at 1020 or something like that while the ATK softcap's still stuck at 592. Worth noting that, past softcap, all gains are flatlined to half the increase of a stat for physicals, while below it's slightly over double. For MAG, the increase is closer to 90% before the softcap). But this only matters for JP as of now, since we haven't got the bevy of stackable magic buffs you guys have now. In fact, in the following months, until they raise the softcap for ATK again, I expect physicals to devalue further due to the tendency shown as of late, along with the very stat spread on OSBs as well as the equipment cap-breaks with Rarity 8+ equips (which now you can get with 4* BASE equips): it's now possible to ram the softcap on ATK with -synergy alone-. This seriously devalues ATK and ATK buffs, since, past the softcap, even something like Shout is going to be like a 27% increase in damage, while a lone +30% MAG buff represents a 54% damage boost.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 08, 2016, 12:56:08 PM
Very salient points, and I will confirm that with proper synergy alone you can hit the softcap on attack. I don't agree that this devalues ATK, but it certainly does devalue Boostgas (relative to faithgas). More importantly than any of this, though, the fact that BLM is getting multiple, weakness-hitting multi-hit attacks in the chain series, while Physicals aren't (rightly so! the pendulum needs to swing way back the other way... I don't even know if I'd agree that the ATK soft cap needs to be raised) means that Magic will be making a comeback.

My point isn't that magic is worse than physicals and whatnot (they will be for the next 6 months or so for global, but that also isn't my point), my point is that as of now in both versions of the game bringing up multipliers in a vacuum isn't a very valid criticism or point in favor of either stat. I do think you hit it on the head that that is because of the exponents in the damage formulae (rather than relative boss RES/DEF values or what have you). I just think that the "oh look BLM mults are 9x while Full Charge is the only physical skill to break 4x" is an argument so divorced from the practical results as to be meaningless. Is all.

(also dj meeple tidus meeple sucks)

EDIT: FWIW this argument does have me reconsidering drawing on Shout... marginally! I really want to stop using Zack and want to keep using Ramza and that really overrides all rational reasons for pulling.

EDIT2: Elaborating upon the "ATK softcap doesn't need to be raised", that's mostly because way more "If weapon type, then + 20-30% damage" RMs exist for physicals. These RMs are currently having a goddamn heyday in realms I have even reasonable synergy, and they aren't crippled by the softcap. This is actually a pretty important point for the waning longevity of Physical supremacy, come to think of it.

EDIT 10: I am done correcting typos and dealing with Error 403. pretend things that don't make sense make sense. is the DL board (software, not community) just dying and we're accepting that? because I think that may be happening.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 01:19:59 PM
Yeah, the RM emphasis on +20% and +30% damage RMs is going to increase a lot (it's already relevant as of now, I don't use +ATK RMs when I'm running Shout anymore), while those for offensive magic are an effective waste of a slot. Physicals are better equipped to survive the pendulum swing than they were back at the age of 340 attack cap (i.e. when mage meta reigned supreme and non-synergy 5* rods dealt double the damage with -jas that synergy physicals dealt with Pound) or even mages are right -now- because being resigned to Focus for stacking buffs to MAG blows chunks.

EDIT: Also, regarding mults at base themselves: I have the internal assumption that the mults on magic still ended up accruing higher -base- damage than physicals' - for abilities at least - before any buffing is applied, all other matters equal, for most of the 4* abilities. Before the mass RES hike, a synergy Firaja, for instance, still significantly outdamaged a synergy Pound. Until 5*s and SSBs, the mult difference was still skewed in favor of magic, mainly due to the glaring leap from 3* mults to 4* (-gas hovered around 4.9x and 5.3x while 3* physical abilities hovered in-between 1.8x [-ra Strikes] and 2x [Launch]. -jas jumped straight to a 9x mult while stuff like -ga Strikes and Pound were stuck with 2.1x-2.3x mults. The strongest 4* ability, Bonecrusher, is a single-hit 2.8x... that deals 25% mHP to the caster).

The burst attacks on Terra and Bartz follow roughly the same spread (10x mult on her attacks, 2.5x? on his). It was most notably glaring for me on a U+ Vargas setup that, under Shout and Apocalypse Shield, Bartz' fire attack did about 25% more damage than Terra's Fire attack in spite of Terra -not being under Faith-, only the Burst +20% boost. That's some interesting interplay at work there, showing mostly the effect softcaps has on offense.

THIS SAID, the gap has closed a fair bit on the 5* abilities (3.4x-4.4 to 11.8-13x, for instance).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 08, 2016, 02:37:08 PM
Eh, yeah. Sure. But are you ever running a party without a (Boost/Faith)/ga in content that matters? Maybe with good synergy physicals for reasons we've covered, but certainly not in literally every other case.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 02:49:56 PM
Eh, yeah. Sure. But are you ever running a party without a (Boost/Faith)/ga in content that matters? Maybe with good synergy physicals for reasons we've covered, but certainly not in literally every other case.

Yeah, it's mostly comparing between how things were way back. After the physical cap buffs, physicals needed buffs to stay current while magic didn't (for quite a lot of time, magic didn't need even -synergy- to outdamage synergy physicals, but before raising the physical caps, physicals were borderline hopeless. In JP, even, I'm pretty sure Planet Protector wasn't even a thing until later, we just got the cap buffs a lot earlier). Right now, -both- need buffs to be taken seriously and magic not only has more problems getting said buffs, getting -synergy equipment- for it is also considerably harder.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 08, 2016, 02:58:48 PM
Eh, yeah. Sure. But are you ever running a party without a (Boost/Faith)/ga in content that matters? Maybe with good synergy physicals for reasons we've covered, but certainly not in literally every other case.

Yeah, it's mostly comparing between how things were way back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtkGtXtDlQA&t=0m38s
 
This is us.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 03:12:01 PM
Git outta my lawn youn' varmint
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 08, 2016, 03:21:21 PM
Git outta my lawn youn' varmint

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXOdn6vLCuU&t=2m39s
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 08, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
So...on a more objective note...

Gysahl Shop reset.  Power, Wind and Non-elemental this week, I'm buying all 3!  That's 30k Greens down the drain (the Mithril is an expected cost.)

Also, another apology mythril.  DeNA's been far more lenient about that these days.  Use to be typoes were "oh yeah we fixed it, nope, don't care if it screwed you" but now it seems any sort of error they're actually rewarding us, though the errors have generally been things that can effect gameplay (Terra and Ashe losing Summon 5 for about an hour, calling an attack "Physical" when "Magical" can screw with strategies, etc.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 08, 2016, 04:15:21 PM
So bssb festival is now after the braska event?

I'm thinking about pulling once on Edgars chainsaw, then dump the rest in that fest.

Then save for kains banner and try to get a weapon for delita.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 05:14:59 PM
We don't know yet. We're thinking it should be at the end of June, given the timetable.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 08, 2016, 05:23:29 PM
Speculated Late June/Early July, yeah.  I know Summoner Nightmare is the 20th.  That's 25 Mithril spent right there!

Hoping I get a relic for Ashe, but I'll probably get ANOTHER Wizard Staff or Fairy Flute because screw you (ok, a 5++ Instrument could be cool for Ramza, and I suppose you could do worse than a 2nd FF7 Mage Weapon)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 05:41:59 PM
I just want a mage weapon for FF6, my best widespread equip for those purposes is a fake-6* Gravity Rod. I guess I wouldn't mind having one of Garnet's stat sticks either.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 08, 2016, 08:56:32 PM
JP: Holy shit, that Caius revenge match...
Even with my now stupidly-high number of good BSBs, Shout, SG, and Aerith's spammable AoE heal burst, that was an S/L fest for the ages. My winning mastery run barely scraped by with Ramza and Wakka KO'd and everyone else on death's door, desperately fighting to outrace Caius' regen because my dispeller (Ramza) was already gone. Finally knocked him down with a quick Chainstarter into Tidus' Enwater-boosted BSB. God I love that 80% damage boost.

Team was:
Aerith (80, no synergy equips) Renewing Cure/Shellga (Ace Striker for Burst spamming)
Wakka (70, all my 13 synergy) Power/Magic BD (and his BSB gives Full BD and two unique ATK/DEF and MAG/RES Breaks)
Tyro (85, synergy spear) Lifesiphon/Protectga (Mako Might/SG)
Ramza (85, synergy bangle) Banish Raid/Full Break (Mako Might/Shout)
Tidus (92, synergy dagger) Lifesiphon/Chainstarter (Ace Striker/ Enwater BSB)
RW Lightning BSB (the Stun proc saved my life a couple times in the early rounds)

Not really sure how I could have made that less of an S/L fest apart from trying to use more of my FF13 synergy. I have a bunch of SBs for 13, and 2 SSBs, but none of them particularly fit into my team well. Tidus' BSB just outdamages them and keeps him from running out of Lifesiphon hones whereas the non-Burst SB characters just don't last in these long-ass U+ fights.

FF13 synergy: both of Fang's spears, Hope's Last Resort (6*!), Raines' SSB, two Sazh guns, Protectga Dagger
...that kinda sucks considering I even did an 11-pull on this latest banner.

Hope and Raines being mages means I could try a Mage Team, but I don't have any Faithgas. Nor any Hastegas on a mage (I have Ramza and Paine and that's it.) I do have Quistis' MT quickcast Cerberus SB which might help but I think Haste is generally considered better and Quickcast is supposed to stack with it to be useful rather than replace it?
Plus, considering the need for Dispel, that would suggest a Knight is the better option rather than having to dedicate a slot to a damageless white magic spell.
Not being able to use half of my 13 synergy might be the biggest issue though? No gunners or lancers apart from Tyro on my A-team. And Wakka was using Hope's MAG-focused 6* Thrown weapon but it wasn't that great for his physical output. Not even sure who I have that can properly use guns or spears. Ashe and Balthier can, but Ashe is a mage, and Balthier on has an SSB. I have Cloud's Burst, but not sure that he'd be a notable improvement over any of Tidus/Ramza/Wakka since he can't use Guns or Spears either (Gunner Cloud would be kinda cool. #buffCloud)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
Quistis' second SSB is Hastega+quickcast. I think you just answered your own question there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 08, 2016, 11:41:28 PM
I just want a mage weapon for FF6, my best widespread equip for those purposes is a fake-6* Gravity Rod. I guess I wouldn't mind having one of Garnet's stat sticks either.

Getting either Garnet's SSB or her Leviathan Soul Break would be great for me honestly.  I lack a standard Faithga to stack with Focus (Witch's Hat and Mana's Paean aside, which are less potent), and my only Hastega is Shout, which means "why aren't you just using fighters?"  Those Soul Breaks cover both niches, so getting either one would make my RW options open up (eg Divine Guardian = I could just use an RW of Maria's Thunder XVI and still have Hastega.)

Go figure, I have her Storm Staff, which is easily her worst Soul Break.

Really though, it's those two that I really want, since they'd cover niches I don't already have (...and I don't consider "FF3/4 Synergy!" meaningful.  Yes, I know they just announced events for both games, but one event every 6 months is hard to care about)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2016, 11:47:03 PM
I mostly want more rods for FF9 synergy, since Garnet's SBs cover niches I already have (Quistis' Mighty Guard is fairly similar, though I certainly -would- use DG in lieu of it a fair amount of the time - depends on whether I have the spare slot for Shellga or not. Leviathan, I have Edea's Inaugural Parade to cover for. Storm Staff... yeah). Everything else available on the banner I can take or leave, but very little would actively annoy me besides a blank.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on June 09, 2016, 12:24:16 AM
FF9 synergy the lamest euphemism for sex to have ever been said.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 09, 2016, 12:34:57 AM
Man, I have so much FF9 synergy. Even my best rods are all FF9 synergy. Seriously, I have two 7* rods. I would gladly share my FF9 synergy with everyone if I could.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on June 09, 2016, 12:42:01 AM
I thought you were more Mystic Quest Synergy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 09, 2016, 12:43:01 AM
My FF9 synergy consists of one generic 5* bracer, a 4++ dagger, a fourth uncombined 4* dagger, and assorted 3* event rewards. I could use pretty much anything in that realm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 09, 2016, 12:53:55 AM
My FF9 synergy was a bit lacking until recently.  Before the celebration, it was basically Garnet's Storm Staff.  After, Steiner's Ultima Sword and Eiko's Fairy Flute+.  Throughout the Kuja event, I got Vivi's Cypress Pile, Beatrix's Ragnarok, and Kuja's Gloves.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 09, 2016, 01:01:51 AM
Awww... Meeple's really growing up, what with all the FF9 synergy lately. :)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on June 09, 2016, 02:20:05 AM
Your joke's better than mine was about you being Mystic Quest synergy (lets be real you are more SaGa Frontier 2 and let your freak flag fly).  So I can go back to not posting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 09, 2016, 05:14:59 AM
Revenge dungeon time!

Bahamut Sin, I said to myself, using BSSBs against him would be mean, so I ran a team with only SSBs. Turns out using SSBs against him is also mean. Holy crap dudebro's health just melted away to Zack's Apocalypse, and Terra's Fire Beam could off the Shadow Clippers from full health. Meteo and what have you were also dealing 9999.

One noteworthy thing happened, at least. I had to wait at the end of the fight for enough Clippers to spawn to get full medals. So there's that.

It is kinda absurd how far my units have come from trying and failing to Tauntaliate him to death.

Cagnazzio got no restrictions since I beat him fairly once before. Still, didn't really matter since the fight was mainly preventing any Tsunamis from going off, and none of my SBs really help with that. I suppose Lightning's Enthunder SB could!!! Hahahahahahahaha it is good to laugh.

Caius I am actually seriously planning for, he was a massive cunt the first time around and I don't suspect he'll be any kinder this time. Cmon, Beatrix/Ramza BSSBs. Tidus' nuke I am trying not to use, but if worse comes to worst then I cannot be held responsible for the daddy issues to follow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 09, 2016, 01:45:15 PM
New Kain event introduces a new Dragoon 5* which appears to be some Lightning elemental attack, and a new 5* Summon which is...Titan? Really?

Look, I get it; you're trying to make Earth a relevant element and all, but Titan is not one I'd associate with a 5*.  Like why not use, say, Midgarsormr (which is FF6 Terrato) and pretend it's a reference to FF14 where the character in question is actually meaningful. Or Hecatoneir from FF13, which has no expectations ala the FF10 originals  so you can get away with any level there.  But no, let's use the mid-game at best Summon that people associate with "Slightly above Ifrit tier!"

Ok, that's off my chest, it seems they've decided Rydia will be yet ANOTHER Earth Elemental mage.  Kind of getting silly at this point though I guess Rydia has some basis thanks to Titan association. 


On a different not, SSB Lucky Draw apparently, which sounds cool.  Wonder if BSBs count or if it's specifically the SSB tier.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 09, 2016, 01:47:33 PM
For Bahamut SIN: pitting a boss -unscaled- against nine months of steady power creep is the very definition of catharsis.

Anyhow, plowing through the remainder of Serah's event until Ultimates land. Nothing new under the sun, though having two FF13 guns helps.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 09, 2016, 01:51:18 PM
Bahamut Sin was one I had to Mythril Refresh to get a Mastery on because the turn conditions at the time were too strict for a fight THAT involved.  I feel like that fight alone was the reason they adjusted that requirement for Ultimates to be more lenient.  It was less the damage and more opening with more Soul Break gauges to actually handle all the crap.

The other was the Gigas Fights, because my hones just weren't where they needed to be to handle a fight like that, so I needed the refresh just to get through that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 09, 2016, 03:24:40 PM
Done with the main fights on Serah Lightning Celebrity event. Nothing of much note other than Dahaka struggling to break three-digit damage after stacking Multibreak, Heathen Frolic Sarabande and Toy Soldier on top of Shellga and Lulu's Focus. Well, and Cait Sith bitchslapping him with 12.5k damage Maduins. Also got RM3s for Luneth, Refia and Ingus this week, along with Hope and Vaan RM2s. I still have to decide on how will I tackle Caius, but that'll wait until tomorrow if the schedule on the event is right. Regardless, the main decision I have to make is whether I bring Arc for RES +50% and run SG/SSII as a RW or Y'shtola with HP boosters and Dreamstage RWs for Magic Blink and some form of AoE healing. Ramza/Beatrix/Lightning/Bartz feel pretty much non-negotiable, since I need someone to break and shout, someone to hold Peacemaker, someone to buff defenses (I need a Protectga slot and a Banishing Strike slot here) and someone to deal damage. This isn't going to be fun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 10, 2016, 05:44:00 AM
Pulled once on Tyr's second collection. 4 rainbows.

Bartz's Excalibur, Auron's ATK and DEF down SSB…

Terra's BSSB...

Aaaaaaaaaand… aaaaand...

Ramza's Platinum Sword.

THE WAIFU PULL IS REAL. 

Fuck yeah gambling.

I took the Estar Armband for my freebie.

I suppose now I just hoard mythril until the next equipment fest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 10, 2016, 10:48:07 AM
Quote from: Zenny
(https://i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0069/09/1443098654697.jpg)

Anyhow, done with the current DU. I overshot FF3 Bahamut because of Ultimate+ memories and brought a variation of my A team - which was complete overkill. This said, I'll just go back to farming Holy and Dark orbs for the rest of the day.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 10, 2016, 03:48:26 PM
I want to finish the DU but at the same time, I want to make the most out of my Stamina refills, namely I'd rather use them on Monday nights to get through the early event stuff ASAP, rather than lose valuable Black Power day time and I hate sitting on things.

That said, I'm still scratching my head at why they put up the FF13-2 event's Bonus Fights a day later.  I know it was always scheduled this way, but it's a completely random, bizarre decision.  I mean, if there was an event going on at the same time like an Orbfest, or some such, then yeah, altered schedules make sense, but nothing is happening outside of Double Greens weekend which won't happen until the following day anyway...which makes the decision MORE baffling since now there's a gap of several hours between the Event update and the Double Greens, instead of a full day.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 10, 2016, 05:19:23 PM
Ot did overlap with an orbfest in Japan, and DeNA is too lazy to adjust the delay downwards for global. Same thing happened with the Advent Children event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 10, 2016, 05:27:33 PM
At least it's just a one-day stretch, unlike AC's half-week-long slog.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 10, 2016, 10:32:44 PM
Browsing the subreddit and holy shit the new JP banner is uncut Scar fanservice.

Kain's new BSB, Dragoon's Pride:

On activation, 4-hit AOE lightning jump damage (physical), En-Lightning and activate burst mode.
Burst Command 1: 2-hit ranged ST lightning physical damage, jumps have no airtime for two turns after use.
Burst Command 2: 2-hit ranged ST lightning physical damage, restore one ability use (prioritizes ability with lower # of remaining uses)

JESUS CHRIST. Infinite Jump Works is real.

EDIT: And this event also debuts a new 5* lightning-elemental jump ability. Oh, and the weapon itself boosts lightning damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 10, 2016, 10:41:01 PM
Yeah, I thought the relic was designed by Scar himself. It singlehandedly punts Kain from the low echelons straight to top tier.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 11, 2016, 04:12:22 AM
Finished the FF13-2 Event.

Chaos Bahamut I mage Meta'd.  Set up in short was:

Terra: Firaja, Magic Breakdown, Devotion (Magitek Missile/Trance Flood)
Kuja: Memento Mori, Dark Zone, Dark Damage+20% RM (has his En-Dark Soul Break)
Lulu: Blizzaja, Drainga, Mako's Might (Focus)
Vanille: Shellga, Curaja, Knight's Charge (Oerba's Boon)
Tyro: Full Break, Tempo Flurry, Dr. Mog's Teachings (Sentinel Grimoire)
RM: Divine Guardian

One reset due to opening with an unmitigated Umbral Visage on Vanille turn 1, which 5k damage.  2nd attempt, he opened with Haste, which while annoying, is at least not "someone dies immediately, enjoy!"

Caius...I beat my first try.  I am honestly extremely disappointed in this fight; people went on about how it's like the HARDEST FIGHT EVER, Kuja on crack, better than Cagnazzo, etc.

...yet, I had no trouble with him.  NOw yes, I did have native Trinity, which obviously helps, but people were acting like "even with that it's hard!"  Team for him was:

Beatrix: Saint's Cross, Banishing Strike, Dragoon's Determination (Seiken Shock; she also used Excalibur-6 for +20% damage)
Auron: Lifesiphon, Double Cut, One-Eyed General (Banishing Blade; he was using Blazefire Sabre)
Ramza: Lifesiphon, Armor Break, Mako's Might (Shout, Throw Stone)
Vanille: Shellga, Curaja, Knight's Charge (Oerba's boon)
Tyro: Full Break, Magic Breakdown, Dr. Mog's teachings (Sentinel Grimoire)
RW: Mighty Guard-VIII.

Why Mighty Guard-VIII? Mostly to compensate for lack of Heavy Regen due to not using Yuna, and it let me Hastega and Shellga on the same turn. 

That said, these fights do emphasize that I don't have to rely on Yuna as my healer anymore and that I can use Vanille, at least so long as I bring a Heavy Regen RW.  I'll probably stick to Yuna for fights where only one of Shellga or Protectga are needed, but ones where I need both, Vanille really does feel like a legitimate alternative. 

It contrasts Aerith and Eiko who both have Medicas too, but they're kind of crappy (Reraise vs. Heavy Regen! ...yeah no)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 11, 2016, 04:18:21 AM
U+ beaten.

That was a stupid amount of S/Ling before the first turn since Caius basically has a 60% chance of instagibbing someone pretty much instantly.

Selphie L80 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Knight's Charge - Dreamstage
Faris L62 - Magic Breakdown R3/Power Breakdown R3 - Sea Lord's Broadside - Battleforged
Bartz L77 - Lifesiphon R4/Drain Strike R5 - Trueblade of Legend - Ace Striker
Ramza L78 - Armor Breakdown R3/Full Break R2 - Shout - Mako Might
Tyro L80 - Banishing Strike R4/Protectga R2 - Sentinel's Grimoire - Dr. Mog's Teachings
RW: Divine Guardian

Selphie's using Vanille's Wyrmfang, Faris was throwing possessed vegetables, Bartz stole Fang's Spear, and Tyro was having fun trying to cosplay as Neo with Sazh's Deneb Duellers and Sephiroth's Coat.

Winning run had Caius playing fair (his first shot of Body and Soul came up when Faris was charging her SB, for instance), and ended with Ramza dead when Caius was at like 25% remaining.  FF5 rules, Shout is Shout, Meeple made me eat my hat for doubting my getting SG during the last festival, and Selphie's Dreamstage is awesome.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 11, 2016, 05:08:40 AM
FF13-2 event done as well. Bahamut Chaos was mostly unnotable besides dealing 5k to Ramza with Umbral Visage unmitigated on the first turn. Set up SG, set up Shout, set up Shellga, set up Protectga, breakdowns and go to town. He felt frankly frail, even, but when you're dropping 20k damage Dark Zones every turn, most things feel that way.

Caius... honestly was -sorta- disappointing and my getup isn't as stacked as Meeple's. I ended up running this setup:

L80 Lightning - Lifesiphon R4/Dismissal R4 - Master Sniper
L80 Bartz - Lifesiphon R4/Power Break R5 - Battleforged
L80 Beatrix - Shellga R2/Banishing Strike R4 - Pride of the Red Wings
L80 Ramza - Magic Breakdown R4/Full Break R3 - Dr. Mog's Teachings
L65 Y'shtola - Curaja R5/Protectga R2 - Mako Might

Will of the White Mage RW

With Veil of Adel and Wild Bear on Y'sh, along with back row on over half the party, I had good enough durability that Caius more or less couldn't instagib anyone on his initiative actions. One S/L because he dropped back to back Giga Gravitons on a doubleturn and gibbed Y'shtola. The main thing with him is that you really want to have Full Break at the ready along with Banishing Strike every time he Body and Souls unless you want to risk his obscene buffed offense: I saw a 2k Giga Graviton -once- and that nearly cost me my winning run. I lucked out with him using his dinky physicals on the people who could survive them for the following two turns, though, and then things looked back up. Beatrix was also very clutch: Banishing Strike is really useful here and having both Protect and Shell was paramount for my survival. The occasional 13k damage Stock Breaks also didn't hurt and one of them served as the finishing strike on Caius. In hindsight, I could've swapped Y'shtola with a different healer - possibly even Cait Sith! - and run SG as a RW instead, but Will of the White Mage was a good panic button. Lost one medal on damage, but otherwise a solid mastery. I'll certainly take it, considering no one died in the end.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 11, 2016, 05:16:56 AM
Honestly, that opening phase feels like the only tricky part.  I got lucky and he attacked 3 different characters (Tyro in back row eating Launch), but once you get past the RNG Bullshit of his first turn, it seems like a pretty straight forward fight.   It's no different than Kuja, except you aren't worried about turn management as much since Caius has 3 conditions to fulfill, not two, so you can win with the usual 2 Damage, 1 Turn loss...

Interestingly, I won with only 2 Medal losses (both on damage) against him anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 11, 2016, 08:03:04 AM
Honestly, sounds like you guys just had great RNG luck on his battle AI. I'm sure it would have only taken me one try too if he used his physical a bunch instead of Pulsar Burst.

Anyway, it took me roughly 12 S/Ls for Caius because he fucking LOVED dropping doubleturn Giga-Gravitons right around the 30% HP area. The only reason I finally beat the asshole was a combination of spamming Lifesiphon Beatrix's Seiken Shock for Magic Blink AND bringing a Minwu insta-Medica RW specifically for that bullshit.

This isn't counting the 4 or 5 times he insta-gibbed Ramza or Vanille. (I'm not so lucky with backrow FF13 synergy  as Snow, I guess?)

Team: Trinity + Burst + Magic Blink Beatrix
Tyro (Lifesiphon R4, Wall)
Ramza (Shout, Banishing Strike/Full Break, probably should have split this up...)
Vanille (SSB Medica)
Lightning (BURST baby, Lifesiphon R4)
Beatrix (Saint Cross R3/ Lifesiphon R3)

Made a new Lifesiphon just for this battle... I'm sure that won't bite me in the ass. Honed Full Break and Saint Cross to R3 too, finally.

Even with all the pretty toys, it was a bitch. Not looking forward to the rematch in the Revenge Dungeon honestly...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 11, 2016, 08:59:08 AM
Man, yeah that Kain relic and my lack of FF4 synergy is sorely tempting me to spend my last 50 mythril on it. I don't really have anyone who specializes in Thunder weakness, so that'd be a great addition to my otherwise stacked arsenal.

I'll still probably wait because that's smarter but dang that's shiny.

Anyway, mastered U+ Geosgaeno with the Cid's Mission clear. Party was Titus Andronicus/Kimarhi/Auron/Braska/Yuna, SG RW, with Yuna wielding the Liberty staff for faux-boothga.

Maaan my last 4 or so pulls have been ridiculously good. Liberty Staff alone would have probably made Cid's Missions possible again, but my last 2 also filled synergy and SSBs for one of my weak realms, and so this wasn't even very hard. No hastega, instead I was relying on Tidus to just overwhelm with his OSB. The synergy weapons also help get everyone dealing damage to the ~450 threshold to hit the soft cap or near enough after the Liberty Staff's boost, and Braska wasn't slouching too much either with Chain Blizzaga after the boost, either. I probably actually should have had him on a second Curaja duty, but meh. SG was also kind of a bad pick since a couple of Geo's attacks were ITD, and I really could have used a Medica RW instead on runs I had a S/L on. That said, on the winning run he never used his ITD skill, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gotta say, Kimarhi also really came through on the winning run. Magic Blink is pretty sexy (Tsunami? What tsunami?), and his dismal (well, with the new Dragoon skill, maybe not so dismal anymore)  skillset doesn't really matter when the entirety of his job description is A) Have Gau's Start: Haste and ATK up RM, B) Use Life Siphon, C) Use Magic Blink, D) 20 goto 10. His SSB damage wasn't too bad, either, when it's all said and done. He only didn't outdamage Auron's because Auron could use the Katana damage x1.20 RM.

---

On an entirely different note, DeNA fucked up the party setup screens in their latest application update. Now, every time you go to change equipment, skills, and RMs the order listening is whatever the default is, which is usually the least useful organizational method, meaning I have to manually change it for every fuckin' piece of equipment, every fuckin' skill change, and every single fuckin' RM. It is a small thing but it is goddamn maddening.

EDIT: U++ Ultimate Weapon down. I am the Full Medal Alchemist. It's me.

Party was basically the same as Geo, but replacing Braska and Yuna for Tyro and Relm, with tyro on Breakdown duty, and a Shout RW.

Oh my god, having two alternating Magic Blinks probably mitigated more damage than SG alone would have had Ultima not been ITD. Kimarhi, I no longer think you suck, at least in FFX content.

I'll have to do some mathing at some point to determine which is better for DPS, having Tidus with Ace Striker and Life Siphon, or having a 30% damage boost RM on instead. It would have made his Energy Rains 65000 damage instead of 50000, but he would probably have only gotten two off instead of three in the fight... so I'm erring on the side of keeping him with Ace Striker, but it's a close call.

Either way, on to clearing the FF13 content I suppose. I kinda want to wait until Sunday so I can get Ramza to master Shout, but my FF13 synergy sucks anyway so that may not really matter.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 11, 2016, 11:12:23 AM
So the Reddit Tier challenge thing keeps rattling around in my head because... well... it's Nyarlie's but with FFRK. So I'm gonna ramble about my thoughts on how I would Tier the PCs for a challenge like this.

So... stats are roughly equal within the same niches. Synergy probably should be thrown out for tiering process and only taken into account on a per-event basis? That leaves Equip selection, Skillsets, and Soul Breaks to really differentiate characters. And Soul Breaks are obviously dependent upon Gacha luck. However, you're not likely to use PCs on a U+ fight that you don't have a SB for, so they have to be figured in. I'd probably set different ratings for PCs depending on their SBs available to a particular player.

So... Equipment's easy - the more Equipment options the better, but some Equips are obviously better than others, and some types are more widely available obviously. Ranged options are naturally slightly more useful due to allowing innate backrow protection but they tend to be less widely available and less powerful. However, having a synergy Ranged option is always great.

Melee: Swords >>> Spears = Fists (= Daggers) > Katana > Axes > Hammers > Everything else
Magical: Rods > Staves >>> Magic Swords > Whips > Magic Guns > Everything else
Ranged: Thrown > Bows > Guns >> Blitzballs > Everything else

Defense: More options are always better, but in general:
(Bangles) >>>> Helmets = Hats > New Shields > Light Armor >>> Heavy Armor = Robes >>>> Old Shields

Per character, I'd probably look at the sum total of "relevant" weapon/armor options and just use that as a base number to add to their point cost. (Max of 1.5 points for lots of options is probably how I'd weight this?)


Skillsets:
For high level content, there's a fairly limited number of skills that actually see use. It basically comes down to how many of these skills a character can use that determines their flexibility. However, no single character can use more than 2 skills, so they are only as good as the sum of their two best skills. So what I'd probably do is rate each skillset on a scale of 1-5 and then just assign point value to a character based on their two best skill schools.

Top schools at the moment: (1.5 pts)
White 4/5 (Bard 4 technically also works in most cases?)
Support 4/5 = Dancer 4/5
Knight 5 (4 might still be up here)
Thief 5
Combat 4/5 (Lifesiphon)

Good utility: (1 pts)
Black 4/5 (at the moment, eventually Black 5 will go back to being top tier)
Darkness 5
Celerity 4 (5 only gives QuickHit at the moment, but still goes here)
Knight 3 (Draw Fire on its own is up here, but 4 might need to go here)
Samurai 2 (Retaliate, still usable in a lot of content, bloating Samurai 5's worth, if Retaliate is useless, assume a Sam5 character is rated much lower. I'll try to rate Samurai points last)
Spellblade 3/4/5
Thief 4
Machinist 4/5
White 3 (Therapy Cure/Curaga/Dispel/Reflect)

Usable: (0.5 pt)
Celerity 3 (Tempo Flurry on its own still good)
Monk 4/5
Ninja 4 (Only if Sleep/Sap vulnerable)
Support 3
Combat 3
Summon 5
Black 3
(Ranger 4/5 eventually?)

Largely ignorable: (0 pts)
Dragoon 5
Ninja 5 (if not Sleep/Sap vulnerable)
Bard/Dancer (If White/Support are options)
Bard 3
Dancer 3
Summon 4 (5, too, if Black 5 is an option, somewhat better if Reflect-All is useful?)
Samurai 5 (better if MT damage or MT status needed, assume Retaliate is useless)

So from that list, pick a PC's two best schools and sum their skillset point worth. (Max of 3 pts)


Finally, there's Soul Breaks. These kind of make or break a character's worth. But since you can't reliably have one, I'd give them a max weight of 1.5 points on a PC's score. Simple binary in some cases like Tyro. Have Sentinel's Grimoire? Plus 1.5 points. Don't have it? +0. Well, if you got Stormlance, then he'd get probably +.5 for having a decent 'general purpose damage SB'.

General point scaling:

Top tier: (+1.5 pts)
Wall
Shout
Medica + High Regen
Medica + multiple effects
Hastega + multiple effects

Awesome: (+1.0 pts)
Any Burst SB
Grand Cross/Runic
Instant Cast Medica
Instant Cast Damage
Medica + effect
Hastega + effect/damage
Boostga + effect/damage
Faithga + effect/damage
Magic Blink + effect/damage
Physical Blink + effect/damage

General: (+0.5 pts)
Pure Damage SSBs
Single effect: Hastega/Medica/Boostga/Faithga/Blink

No Effect: (+0 pts)
Anything outdated by regular 5* abilities (single-hit damage SBs, for example)
Default SBs (yeah, even Shellga/Protectga/Celes' Default)
Shared SBs


Now I'd have to go through and make a full Tier list using those criteria, but I think it's a step in the right direction. I figure if I post this, I'll at least get Meeple or Snow or hinode (or even Zenny?!) to contribute some more critical thoughts, rather than my ramblings.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 11, 2016, 11:23:48 AM
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Honestly, sounds like you guys just had great RNG luck on his battle AI. I'm sure it would have only taken me one try too if he used his physical a bunch instead of Pulsar Burst.

I saw Pulsar Burst PLENTY.  It's just with general mitigation up, it was doing like 500-600 per hit, so unless someone got hit 4-5 times with the shot, the move really wasn't threatening.  I saw plenty of Giga Gravitons too, which sting, as well as his shockwave attack.  There was an instance where I actually saw Pulsar Burst do only like 300-400 per hit; the move isn't THAT threatening to be honest.  Heck, in some regards, I welcomed it since it meant more Soul Break gauge.

I don't think I ever saw his basic physicals beyond the opening, outside of a single Launch that hit Vanille early in the fight (when he's a lot tamer anyway.)  His MT Shockwave move did like AoE 1000 on one occassion?  That was more threatening than Pulsar Burst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 11, 2016, 01:09:15 PM
I never cared about Nyarlie's dungeon so can you give me a rundown on exactly what the goal of this ranking is?

Do you guys have 2 hit summons yet? If not I agree with Summon being largely worthless, but if you do then Summon 4 is at least as good as Black 4 (Black 5 is better... or will be, anyway), unless we're taking into account how hard they are to hone, in which case they're AT LEAST better than Black 3.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 11, 2016, 02:01:47 PM
It's just Reddit applying point-costs to characters for a team-drafting challenge.

Essentially, really top-tier Characters like Ramza and Gilgamesh cost about 6 points, while trash like Gau only cost 0.5 points. The goal is to make an effective team using only 12 points worth of PCs.

Based on current global meta and some vague voting, Reddit decided on this for costs:
6 Points: Gilgamesh, Ramza, Agrias, Terra
5 Points: Tyro, Bartz, P. Cecil, Yuna, Lightning, Y'shtola, Rinoa
4 Points: Celes, Cloud, Beatrix, Garnet, Locke, Balthier, Auron, Faris, Lenna, Sephiroth, Aerith, Vaan, Basch, Squall, Rydia, Vivi, Zack
3 Points: Eiko, Zidane, Steiner, Selphie, Yuffie, Vanille, Red XIII, Tidus, lulu, Exdeath, Fran, Kefka, Vincent, Hope, Mog, Leon, Quistis, Ashe, Edgar, Penelo, Krile, Relm, Rikku, Sazh, Edea, Deschº, Kujaº, Cait Sithº, Serahº
ºDesch, Kuja, Cait Sith and Serah are not in the tier list, so they are defaulted to 3 points.
2 Points: Luneth, Tifa, Shadow, Jecht, Golbez, Wakka, Rosa, Seifer, Laguna, Minwu, Thancred, Fang, Palom, Porom, Cid, Snow, Kain, Ingus, WoL, Firion, Galuf, Freya, Fusoya, Zell, Edge, Tellah, Reno, D.Cecil
1 Point: Sabin, Irvine, Maria, Setzer, Refia, Arc, Edward, Gordon, Amarant, Barret, Strago, Leila, Quina, Cyan
0.5 Points: Kimahri, Josef, Ricard, Gau

(http://imgur.com/OoVAL5Z.png)

I agree that post-buff Summon 4 is better than Black 3, I dunno what I was thinking there. Still, Summons in general just are hard to hone and you don't even get enough uses out of them that you can run a single Summon (usually you have to run two Summons AND the double-cast Summon RM to make it worthwhile unless we're talking Bahamut R4).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 11, 2016, 02:05:39 PM
Yeah it's in global now, there's one guy on Reddit who has killer mage gear and breaks the cap with summons in most realms.

Honestly for U+ purposes I'd swap the rankings of Black 4/5 and Summon 4 right now. Black 4/5 is useless on hybrid/Shout comps because they can't self-buff like Dark mages can and have significantly weaker damage potential than summons on mage teams where breaking the 9999 cap is feasible. Orb conversion means that Maduin's a lot easier to hone than it used to be.

Tempo Flurry is also borderline useless for U+ purposes since almost nothing is weak to slow (and the few who are generally have 600+ speed so haste/slow barely matter).

Also while the Reddit tier list is obviously flawed, it's also fairly simple to understand and start crafting teams up with, and that's something that shouldn't be undervalued. The more convoluted you make the rules for something the fewer people will bother with it, and getting broader participation was one of the goals of this whole challenge. I'm not sure anyone besides Djinn will actually bother with whatever system he cooks up here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 11, 2016, 02:07:36 PM
We do, yeah.  It was added in around the FF10-2 event, if not earlier, since I remember having Rinoa throw out Bahamut there, and really, Bahamut was dog shit before the Summon buff, not only because damage ceiling was doubled, but it's multiplier I believe was only 13.5x (not that it matters since Bahamut shouldn't have issues hitting the damage cap)

And for the reasons you laid out, I actually went and created Ixion and honed it to R3, since figured it'd be useful on Carry Armor...which it was.  I'd make Alexander, but I know we're getting a free one in about a month from the Braska event, so would rather wait than waste the orbs.  Toying with making Leviabeetus, but it's weaker than a -ja that doesn't hit the damage cap unlike Alexander and Ixion, and a less useful element to boot, so feel like that'd could be a waste of orbs unless I really need to hit AoE Water Weakness or something.  I have Laser Chicken at R3, and Daddy Branford at R2.  I haven't considered honing them quite yet, but summon nightmare may make me do so. 

EDIT: And yeah, Tempo Flurry is not good unless you really are lacking something for DPS on a Celerity Character, and frankly Dismissal is what you should be using them (stronger and better side effect; Dismissal likely isn't breaking the damage cap vs. an Ultimate(+), so Tempo Flurry's 2nd hit isn't meaningful).  Only reason I used it against Chaos Bahamut was because slow was a condition; otherwise I almost never bring Tempo Flurry to boss fights.  It's fine for trash murdering since it's easy to hone at R5, and two hits means it can sometimes kill 2 enemies, but otherwise, I typically avoid it.

And I agree with hinode; flawed but simple is way more appealing than elaborate and balanced, if for no other reasons than it avoids getting bogged down by details.  In the flawed situation, all you do is look at the character, see their point totals, and apply it to the allowed amount.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 11, 2016, 02:10:45 PM
Tempo Flurry I had up there not for Slow so much as 1.2s cast speed and multiple hitting off of a decent enough damage multiplier. Just a solid, cheap workhorse skill.

You may have a point about Black 4/5 not being that great on U+ content. I haven't run non-Dark mages for a while, but I was just thinking "Ah, elemental weakness-hitting, Waterja's decent casting speed, relatively easy-to-hone" and plunked it down. It was all stream-of-consciousness rambling so I'm open to having more eyes on it to smooth out the relative worth of skillsets/SBs/equips.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 11, 2016, 02:15:13 PM
Also while the Reddit tier list is obviously flawed, it's also fairly simple to understand and start crafting teams up with, and that's something that shouldn't be undervalued. The more convoluted you make the rules for something the fewer people will bother with it, and getting broader participation was one of the goals of this whole challenge. I'm not sure anyone besides Djinn will actually bother with whatever system he cooks up here.

...thanks for the vote of confidence. >.>;;

The idea was to make something simple like a Tier list, but with at least some regard to balance. All the mathematics would be under the hood, the end result is still just a Tier list like Reddit's, but without obvious flaws like Arc being 1 point while Yuna is 5 points, despite having essentially the same stats/abilities.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 11, 2016, 02:19:27 PM
Thing is, Tempo Flurry's multi-hit probably isn't breaking the damage cap without something like Advance + multiple layers of defense loss in the mix.

0.9x2 damage isn't really anything special.  Against Caius, for example, Beatrix with Banishing Strike using Excalibur, making effectively a 2.4x damage attack, did only like 8k after Scream and Armor Break.  That's 25% stronger than Tempo Flurry remember.  Saint's Cross was doing 6800 or so per hit, and Saint's Cross, boosted with Excalibur, is stronger PER HIT than Tempo Flurry in total.

Honestly, if someone has to rely on Tempo Flurry, chances are that's a problem with their skillset, not the move being useful.  If a Celerity 3 skill is the best they have, then that's telling.  I mean, Combat 3 at least offers Breaks which are 1.7x damage with an effect (and Armor Break even increases your net DPS in Shout teams; Armor Breakdown doesn't yield that much of an increase over Armor Break as a note), as well as Launch which has the mult of a 4* skill.  1.2s speed is nice and all, but that's standard for Celerity, and if you have Celerity 4, it begs the question of "Why aren't you using Dismissal?"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 11, 2016, 02:24:18 PM
Sounds reasonable. I'm definitely gonna edit the list a bit before I make a full PC Tier List, so more critique is helpful. I just wanted to explain my own kneejerk reasoning and definitely didn't want to -undervalue- any noteworthy skills.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 11, 2016, 02:57:19 PM
and i'm asleep

Beat Caius in the Revenge dungeons, took no prisoners because fuck that fight.

Ramza (Full Break, Indoor Spell), Mako Might
Tidus (Chain Starter, Indoor Spell), Ace Striker
Bartz (Steal Power, Indoor Spell), Swords 1.30x
Tyro (Power, Magic Breakdowns), Dr. Mog's Teachings
Relm (Dispel, Curaja), Ace striker Clone
SG RW

One S/L because I got cocky and didn't refresh SG, then everyone but Tyro and Relm ate it to his Giga Graviton. Hubris!

I may come back and do this one only with SBs and skills that were available at the time, which would be basically doing the fight again without Titus Andronicus and instead swapping in... uh. Some Knight? I'd have to take a look at when some SSBs that I currently have were released. On the other hand, it wouldn't drastically change the fight, just make it longer so I probably won't bother.

Only the Noel U++ fight left in the content ending on Monday. There's actually a huge amount of stuff available to do that I put off until now. This has eaten up substantially more of my day than I am proud to cop to. Ah well, vidjeagaeyms.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 12, 2016, 07:45:29 AM
FF13 U++ Atlas down, missed mastery because I forgot that slowing him was a win condition. Wasn't that hard of a fight and I had the spare "Whatever" slot on Relm so I redid it, missing only one damage medal. Yaaaay scarletite and adamantite. I suppose.

 Was even easier while he was slowed. Shock! Worth pointing out that he won't ever Dispel you if he's not slowed, as that move is attached to his Esuna attack.

Tanky fucker in any case though.

Turns out, saving up 3 bars of Tidus SB, then using his Chain Starter SB and then two Energy Rains is just a flat out worse idea than using chain starter + ER as I get them. Good to know!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 12, 2016, 05:49:47 PM
U+ Caius down. Had 1 S/L due to Y'shtola getting targetted twice in the opening barrage, 1 S/L due to taking too long to refresh buffs mid-battle.

(http://i.imgur.com/sSf9vAkl.png)

Man, looks like I even forgot to requip Lenna defensively like I intended to. Didn't even need to, in the end.

Double White Mage party worked splendidly here, since Caius has 50K less HP than most previous U+ bosses. The tradeoff is that his damage output is nuts, but the extra healing (with Wall and Heavy Regen and an AoE heal) could handle that.

I actually had more S/Ls on Chaos Bahamut due to unmitigated Umbral Vise OHKOing either WM. Even Gilgamesh got knocked down to a sliver of health if he got hit turn 1.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 13, 2016, 11:47:07 AM
Oh. Kain gets two events in the near future?

Me likes. Now they need to give him celery and white magic along with a dress sphere and my 30 "encouragement" letters a day will not be in vain!

Mwa hahahahaha
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 13, 2016, 12:24:20 PM
here u go

(http://www.abelandcole.co.uk/media/446_2890_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 13, 2016, 01:09:56 PM
I'd like to blame my phone for the auto correct, but duck it.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 13, 2016, 08:46:48 PM
Drive bars, fill cars until Edgar's second event kicks in tonight. I guess I could use the Gysahl Greens and XP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 13, 2016, 09:34:58 PM
I cleared out a couple lingering Elites from the last DU.  Two left, the stamina on one of them will be a refill, so I'll have to ponder whether to fire that, buy a shard at a more opportune time, or whatever.

Y'know, I feel like we just had an FFVI event.  Maybe I just think that because my dollar pulls keep dropping banner items on FFVI and at no other time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 14, 2016, 01:29:02 AM
In comparison to the inevitable monthly FF7 event until they drop stupid sexy shirtless Sephiroth on us.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 14, 2016, 02:21:21 AM
Dollar pull... Thief's Bracer.  My third, by which I mean whee, another 7 star armor.

Naturally, my other one is an FFVI Mystic Veil.  THe game really, really wants to dump FFVI gear on me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 14, 2016, 02:32:39 AM
FFVI is definitely the most common realm after FF7, and I have absolutely no problem with this.

Autobattle half of Scar Fanservice Event done, cleared some out of the latest DU as well.

The U++ fight looks like it is just begging me to imperil holy the entire bunch then whack them with Ramza's and Beatrix's BSSBs as much as I can. Probably toss in Terra with Alexander and Meteo and have my WM start the fight off with the Liberty Staff to buff erryone and watch the dolls just die.

I am excite.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwSHZrXDigD4eBz4lmBQCVIqqQHn4VnOlBUg0miuNIU6cPThFPeA)

Vrm vrm
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 14, 2016, 12:59:36 PM
Despite FF6's relative commoness, I don't think we have any FF6 events after this one outside of the Opera one offhand.

I know we have like 2 FF9 Events (Short-haired Garnet, and Vivi's BSB), 3 FF10 (Braska, FF10-2 and Wedding Dress Yuna), and several FF8 events (Rinoa BSB, Selphie BSB, and Squall's OSB coming up), but they've been cutting back on FF6 ones a lot.

Which is annoying if only because FF6 characters are kind of behind on Soul Breaks.  Strago still lacks an SSB, and they only have 3 BSBs (Terra, Locke and Celes), I hope they have one in the next batch of events if only for that reason alone (that and hoping they put in Leo, but we all know they'll put in ? ? ? ? ? ? #2 first)


SPEAKING OF FF6 events, completed the event thus far...except for a Cid Mission where I removed Punishing Palm for the one spot I needed it...so that's 60 Stamina down the drain.  I'll do it next monday when the daily sucks anyway (possibly Sunday since I don't need EXP much.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 14, 2016, 01:10:47 PM
This game is not nice to me.

50 mithril 0 five stars on the figaro Bros banner.

I mean come the fuck on.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 14, 2016, 01:11:43 PM
22% chance. It's not terribly uncommon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 14, 2016, 01:24:07 PM
Guys you know what's great?

Guaranteed 5*s.

Plebs.

Edit Meeple is the Sir Will of the DL, there, I said it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 14, 2016, 02:00:44 PM
Counting the white mage lucky draw this is the 4th 50 draw with no 5 star items.

I'm cursed. I honestly think the game programs certain phones with better odds, because my success rate is possible poor compared to most others.

Man....fuck! It's so disparaging.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 14, 2016, 02:17:12 PM
I got three straight no-5*s draw on FFT banner, at least one of them being full 3*s. RNG just RNGs. You got multiple four-5* draws on the first few Lucky Draws last year while I blanked three of them straight. The most manipulation one can do is just not drawing multiple times when you get a bad pull, since it's known to be sorta streaky, but otherwise? Even a year-long pulling history, given the game's scope, is actually a very small sample and frankly not representative of the odds. And, given the scope of the game, you will have wildly varying degrees of luck within the samples and one can and will go through most spectrums of it. The game is a psychological rollercoaster.

EDIT:

Guys you know what's great?

Tidus' OSSB.

Plebs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 14, 2016, 02:30:14 PM
Those pulls are ancient! I only remember current events.

Regardless, I'll keep pulling, but if I can't get kains relic in one of his two upcoming banners,I don't think I'll have much motivation to keep playing.

On the flip side, it's annoying that 3 and 4 star items are such shit. They haven't added new 4 star gear, so these pulls are the epitome of useless trash. I'm pretty sure I've collected and max honed most of the gear in the game.

So yeah.

The good news? I beat all the realm dungeons. So that's something!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 14, 2016, 03:08:51 PM
You're chasing his SSB, right? The odds of you getting it per 11-pull on his banner are roughly 10.46%. Do keep in mind the odds just suck. People keep saying to not chase the dragon for a reason.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 14, 2016, 03:17:50 PM
. The most manipulation one can do is just not drawing multiple times when you get a bad pull, since it's known to be sorta streaky

so what ur sayin' is i shoulda pulled on the kain banner right after pulling shout so i could rub it in scars face too and not just sir will's meeple's?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 14, 2016, 03:25:26 PM
Yes. Though the bad streaks last a lot longer than the good ones.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on June 14, 2016, 03:25:47 PM
dick like an eggplant
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 14, 2016, 03:48:35 PM
(https://lauraagudelo272.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/funny-eggplant-penis-011.jpg)

its me
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 14, 2016, 03:53:16 PM
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 14, 2016, 07:12:12 PM
Quote
Edit Meeple is the Sir Will of the DL, there, I said it.

Well, I won't deny I have been somewhat negative these days, and I should lighten up.

...which actually proves I'm not Sir Will since at least I recognize my negativity!  He just tells you to flip off because he's right, as though nothing is wrong.


That said, I got a pleasant surprise on the Daily Draw today, since it was a 3*!  ...I didn't say it would be USEFUL, just better than usual!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 14, 2016, 07:23:59 PM
Speaking of useful...

Do the stamina gems in the choco store refresh the stamina bar if you buy a 5th one?

I've been holding off on buying those in hopes that they do.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 14, 2016, 07:35:06 PM
If you reach the 5th stamina shard on purchase, yes. So there's strategic reason to hold off on them.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 14, 2016, 10:59:42 PM
That's honestly the sole reason I haven't finished the current Dungeon Update content.  Holding off on a 4/5 Stamina shard and spending 10k Greens on Monday Night to get a quick recharge w/out Mithril helps plough through the Event content quicker without it interfering with Black Power Day.

That said, only works 5 times.  After that, need to spend 100k for the next 5 and I can't see myself spending 10 Major Orbs, or 50 Greater Orbs worth of greens for a stamina refresh, at least not with the Green rates we have now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 15, 2016, 07:57:42 AM
New SSB lucky draw, and they gave me 10 free mythril to celebrate the multiplayer open beta, decided to roll the bones even though a EQ fest is around the corner.

Raines' coat and Edge's katana. Hey, it's synergy I lack!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 15, 2016, 09:29:43 AM
Bleh, finally took down Caius.  Discussion with Djinn suggested that I just wasn't working enough support in, so I went from my usual A team to a... weird setup.

Relevant XIII Synergy: Evil Pumpkin, keepsake knife, Vega 42s, Wyrmfang Rod, Physician's Staff, two armors

Locke (Valiant Strike) Dismissal/TreasureHunter's Raid
Leon (Hand of the Emperor) Indoor Spell/Banishing Blade
Tyro (SG) Saint's Cross/Fullbreak
Vanille (Oerba's Boon/Miracle Prayer) Shellga/Curaja
Fran (Shatterheart) Magic BD/Power BD
RW: Shout

Yes, Fran used my 5+ staff as a melee weapon.  Also had similar attack to Tyro using the Vega 42s.  Also was taking the place of Agrias using basically a weaker version of the same SB. 
Otherwise, HotE was another mitigation layer, so waiting for Oerba's Boon to put up protect was mostly safe.  Although worth noting, because Leon is still without MC2 , one run with mostly the same setup failed because he died before dispelling a Regen late in the fight, which let Caius live long enough for Shout to wear off at which piont I couldn't even OUTPACE said regen.  So he got that new HP  boost accessory from the event, which solved the problem handily.  Doubling down on attack buffs also proved vital because while I have a lot of XIII synergy most of it is ancient (or mage gear).  Also meant that Leon was adding that damage lost from not bringing a second SSB user.
but mostly the takeaway is that Caius lost because of the efforts of a bunny girl with 7000 damage staff thwacks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 15, 2016, 11:14:48 AM
In JP: DeNA fucked up the SSB Lucky Draw by inserting normal character SBs and they closed it off temporarily. Cue giddy redditors scavenging for apology Mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 15, 2016, 11:52:58 AM
I wasn't actually affected (both my draws were SSBs) but I will gladly accept any apology mythril they wanna throw my way. >_>
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 15, 2016, 02:43:29 PM
Weekly Majors on Gysahl shop this week come in the Summon, Fire and Ice variety. Welp, good to know I only have to spend 11k this time.

Also, dataminers found Record Dive/Spheres translated data today. I suspect we'll get the maintenance announcement around next Wednesday, following the pattern on reaching the end of translated events => new batch updates.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 15, 2016, 07:48:20 PM
I wasn't actually affected (both my draws were SSBs) but I will gladly accept any apology mythril they wanna throw my way. >_>

Looks like you're getting the full 25 mythril refunded, and possibly another draw. Nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 16, 2016, 12:34:27 AM
Goddamn work keeping me from pulling on that banner soon enough. You win this round, Zenny.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 16, 2016, 03:53:40 AM
My tooth hurts, and I'm bored...time to do some cast analysis in terms of whose actually in the game.  I am not analyzing based off of character quality or anything, more just "who got in" and "how reasonable is their inclusion" followed by proposing possible "reasonable" additions and how they might appear.

The characters can be split up into 5 main categories I feel:

Permanent character: Straight forward; character can be gotten permanently, be it optional or required.  These characters are the ones who don't really need an analysis as to "why they're in" for obvious reasons.  I will, however, highlight spin-off characters.
Meaningful Temp: Lack of a better word than "meaningful", this refers to a character who spends a significant amount of time in the team and is not restricted in anyway from the primary gameplay mechanics.  For example, using FF8, a primary gameplay mechanics would be stuff like Junctioning, where as Limit Break progression does not really qualify.  Like Permanent characters, Meaningful Temps feel equivalent in the sense of being expected additions, and don't really need justification.
Minor Temp: Character is technically playable, but doesn't last a long time.  These are the ones I'll actually be analyzing genearlly
Bosses: The character is a boss.   This can be put in conjunction with a previous one, to be clear.  Like minor Temps, this I'll be going into more depth.
Miscellaneous: Character that doesnt' qualify any of the above, and thus must be analyzed "Why."

Without further ado, here we go!

Final Fantasy 1:
Warrior of Light qualifies as a permanent PC, so self explanatory.  Garland is a boss, and he mostly got in because he's the closest thing FF1 has to a main villain so who else you going to use.  The other 3 are all miscellaneous, so...

Wol: FF1 is starved for character options, and from my understanding, Moebius is a re-imagining of FF1, so making Wol an honorary FF1 character is something you can get away with.  I don't think they'd attempt this stunt with any other game, it's really just "FF1 has that few options."  he's the main PC of MFF
Ecco: Like Wol, but from my understanding, she's basically Navi of the game?  This makes her the primary NPC I guess?  I heard she does assist you in battle, which is about as good as you'll get, so again, like Wol, it was out of necessity.
Sarah: To make a full roster of 5 characters, they really had to dig the bottom of the barrel, and Sarah WAS playable in Theatrhythm, and probably the most memorable NPC if only because the first one who does anything and the Lute does give her a cheap excuse for bard and...yeah, it's "FF1 has no good ideas."

POTENTIAL ADDITIONS:

Matoya: Is a popular NPC by FF1 standards, seeing as Ecco was turned into a Sage, they could probably make Matoya a Black mage/Summoner, but only if she has a Soul Break where she goes Sorcerer's Apprentice on the enemies ass...bonus points if Mickey is involved!  Which is to say, she's perfect for a Kingdom Hearts Collaboration Event! *shot*




Final Fantasy 2:
The entire roster here is made of up Permanent PCs, OR Meaningful Temps (everyone else).  No need to really go into detail from there, since they're all self explanatory.

POTENTIAL ADDITIONS:

Emperor: Basically an Edea variant, having Black 5 and Darkness 5.  yeah, he's boring, but that's really the best I got.  Maybe you can get away with Spellblade to cover the wind elemental attacks for the Tornado, as well as his draining Physical.

Scott: I imagine a Celes-style build of being a legitimate Red Mage, though clearly leaning towards the physical end.  He wouldn't have her insane res, but he'd have Black 5 (Wild Rose is a heavy Fighter/Mage weapon) and Combat 4, in exchange for only Spellblade 3/4.  This best reflects his appearance in Soul of Rebirth where he's got full mithril gear, including a sword, but also several elemental spells and healing ones, and his weapon as I noted is built around physical and magic stats, a rare combo.


Final Fantasy 3:
All but Desch fall under "Permanent PCs" and thus no need to get into that.

Desch falls under "Miscellaneous" or "Minor Temp" depending on how you view it.  Similar to the entire FF1 roster save Warrior of Light, he was basically implemented out of necessity more than anything else.  Sounds like Onion Knight is coming soon being some unique build, which will be weird having a core-like character (in that he's named after a job) attached to a realm, but we'll see.

OTHER POTENTIAL IDEAS:

Cloud of Darkness: Give her Darkness 5 because villain, and...I don't want to be boring and give her Black 5 but I feel that's almost inevitable.  Her stats...part of me wants to say Vincent-like so she can emphasize both forms of offense, another side of me says "you moron, she was stupidly durable in FF3DS, give her massive HP!"  and yeah, I got nothing.

Everyone else is going to be a Desch style character, because he set a precedent so...

Doga: Sage build, this seems straight forward!
Unei: Just to make her different from Doga, I'll make her the primary Black Mage because Desch sucks
Cid: Some form of Machinist; I honestly can't care enough beyond that

Alus, Aria and Sarah invoke even more apathy than the above characters, so erally don't care there.  HOWEVER, there is one I left off...

Old Man of Amur: Gilgamesh level physical stats, Celes' res, Shantotto's Magic, and Tyro's equipment/skillset.  HE IS THE TRUE HERO OF FF3! AND THERE'S 4 OF HIM!


Final Fantasy 4:
Cecil, Rosa, Rydia, Kain and Edge are permanent characters, straight forward.  Palom, Porom, Edward, and Yang are Meaningful Temps AND Permanent PCs depending on the version, they make sense.  Tellah and FuSoYa are just straight up meaningful temps, and might as well add D. Cecil there technically.  Golbez is a lone boss fight, but he's also the game's main villain for a majority of the game so he's perfectly acceptable, with a build that strongly resembles his TAY form, which makes sense.  So everyone makes sense here.

Except there's one blatant omission that still feels weird, especially after they JUST had an FF4 event to put him in:

Cid: A Meaningful Temp/Permanent PC based on version, it's weird he's still absent.  Give him Combat 5, Machinist 5, Spellblade 4 (Augment in FF4DS is reminiscent of this and FF4 lacks a Spellblade to boot, so it works well), and that should work.  He can use all defensive gear except Robes like most meleers (part of me wants to say "no" to Shields due to two handed weapons but that's straight up wrong since he CAN use 1H Axes), weapons would be Daggers, Axes, Hammers, and Bows. 


Also, because spin off/sequels are on the table, might as well address the Not!Fanfic in the room in TAY and look at some of those characters, only picking a handful:

Ceodore: A Paladin but with actual stats to run as a primary healer, instead of "is a Knight with Shellga/Protectga/Dispel/Reflect!" and lower physical stats to compensate.  He'd get Lances but no Axes as well.
Ursula: I think of her as a monk trading in HP for Celerity 5, making her a Chainstarter + Full Charge Monk.  It easily distinguishes her from her father at least.
Luka: Cid's equipment, skillset would be Support 5, Machinist 5, Shooter 4.
Leonora: White 5, Black 4...because we totally don't have enough mages in this realm or anything!

And sadly, this would result in Kain getting White 4 because fuck Holy Dragoon bullshit. 


Final Fantasy 5:
Bartz, Lenna, Krile and Faris are Permanent PCs, Galuf is a Meaningful Temp, Ex-death is the game's main antagonist, and Gilgamesh is a recurring boss you fight a lot.  No real stand out oddities here.

POTENTIAL ADDITIONS:
the only thing I can think that could be added to FF5...not that they need anything more because the cast is ridiculous as is but I digress...would be a few NPCs that feel almost Braska-level (we'll get to him!)  So without further ado...

Dorgan: Give him a bunch of physical stuff, not sure what but he's clearly a swordsmen of some kind.
Kelgar: Celerity 5, Combat 5, Ninja 4.  He's clearly fast so Celerity is a given, and being a wolf I imagine he's strong so let's make him Chain starter + Full Charge combo.  Ninja because the way he moves has after images and such and look, I'm trying my best ok?
Zezat: Spellblade 5, Knight 5,one of Support, Celerity or Combat at like 4.  He's a swordsmen and he clearly uses a lightning attack somewhere so yeah, Spellblade it is.  Knight 5 just feels right because he's a king or something, and he needs some generic skillset, so take your pick!
Ghido: Celerity 5 because he's really fast and having a TURTLE WITH CELERITY 5 IS HILARIOUSLY IRONIC.  Knight 5 as well because that's a tank skillset and HE"S A FREAKING TURTLE.  Also give him some magic levels because he's smart, and make a new skillset called Mock Idiots and give him 7* in that, which powers him up anytime someone classified as an idiot is in the team.
King Tycoon: Some kind of mage, I don't care.

No, I don't expect any of those to get in, but thought I'd toss the Warriors of Dawn in, King Tycoon since he plays a notable role in World 1, and Ghido because we need someone to get stronger when put in a team of Bartz, Wakka, Yda, and Gilgamesh.


Final Fantasy 6:
Kefka aside, everyone is a Permanent PC, with Kefka of course being the game's main villain thus an obvious entry.

We lack Umaro and Gogo, but Umaro I feel would be hard to implement appropriately without pulling a D. Cecil scenario which would be lame, so I suspect he'll be relegated to Mog's BSB which would all be attacks involving Umaro using him as a ballistic missile. 

Gogo on the otherhand?  Give him 4* in everything, stats superior to Tyro, but he's restricted to Daggers, Rods, Staves, Whips (Scorpion Tail is his DD weapon, so yeah), maybe instruments because why not, Hats, Robes, Armlets, Shields, and MAYBE Light Armor.  The idea obviously is a variation of Tyro, trading in some diversity (since that's Tyro's thing) for having "stats that are better than a Core."  Note that Gogo's stats wouldn't be particularly stand out, of course, they just would qualify as a level beyond "sucks."

OTHER ADDITIONS:

Leo: Shear demand suggests people want him in.  Combat 5 and Knight 5 are a given.  Celerity 4 feels appropriate because need to show his speed and offering in some manner, and some level of Spellblade to represent Shock (I guess 3* would fit.)  His equipment set should mirror Steiner's, since while yes, he only uses Swords in FF6, I feel like something such as Axes would fit him too.

Banon: White 5, and that's it; Banon sucks and should be obsoleted by Relm in everyway.

? ? ? ? ? ?: Can't use any equipment or weapon, but his Soul Break is instant death to ANYTHING at the cost of his life.  I am totally aware of all the problems with this, just damn it, let me have fun!


Final Fantasy 7:
Cloud, Tifa, Barret, Vincent, Yuffie, Red XIII, Cid, and Cait Sith are permanent PCs, Aerith is a Meaningful Temp, self explanatory there. Sephiroth is the game's Main VIllain, so boss that needs no explanation. 

In respects to FF7, Zack is an extremely odd choice, but obviously they were building him off Crisis Core, so his inclusion isn't so weird when you factor that in.

Reno you fight several times...and is still an oddball despite that.  See, in FF5's case, Gilgamesh you fight not only more times than Reno, but most of his encounters are required and FF5 has a much smaller roster, with 5 PCs and a Villain otherwise.  FF7, we have 9 PCs, a Villain, and a protagonist of a major spin off; it begs the question of "Why did we need Reno?"  Yeah, he was FF7's first Black Mage, but Vincent popped up later anyway, and did Reno's schtick of "Fighter/Mage" a hell of a lot better (though Reno can now Lifesiphon so there's that I guess.)  He remains among the highest on the "oddball" picks as a result, especially since he was prioritized over Cait Sith and Vincent.


OTHER ADDITIONS:

...none, really.  Granted, this is RK and I'm sure DeNA will find someway to implement the likes of Hojo, Rufus, Godo, Don Corneo, the Honey Bee Inn Gay Wrestlers, but beyond that, I don't think anyone from FF7 really should be added in.

Well, the one exception I guess you might be able to do is put Genesis from Crisis Core, with a build of Knight 5 (feels like a CHAMPION OF THE GODDESS), Darkness 5 (villain), Combat 5 (generic skillset), and Bard 3 (gotta implement Loveless SOMEHOW.)  Not saying they should, but Genesis feels like the only reasonable choice left I could see them doing that wouldn't feel quite forced.


Final Fantasy 8:
Squall, Irvine, Rinoa, Selphie, Zell and Quistis are the permanent PCs, Seifer and Edea are both major bosses AND Meaningful Temps, and Laguna is a meaningful temp.  No really oddities here in sense of inclusion.

POSSIBLE ADDITIONS:

Kiros: FF8 lacks a thief AND ninja, and he'd fit both pretty well considering his style, so give him Thief 5, Ninja 4, and Celerity 5.  Weapons would be Claws and Katanas I guess.
Ward: FF8 also lacks a Dragoon, and using a giant anchor, he'd fit that.  Combat 5, Dragoon 5, Knight 3 (because he's a big tough guy, Draw Fire seems to fit), can use Lances and Throwing Weapons.

You could maybe twist my arm with Fujin and Raijin, but there's little about them that makes them any better than Reno so...

Final Fantasy 9:
Kuja is a boss and the main antagonist, Beatrix is a recurring boss whose also a Minor Temp (if a bad ass one), the others are all permanent PCs, so the choices make sense.

POSSIBLE ADDITIONS:

Marcus: The most longstanding Temp in FF9, I feel he's worth singling out.  Unfortunately, I can't really think of a way to differentiate him that would keep him as something other than "Worse Zidane"; normally I'd say "he can use Swords" but Zidane can do that too...I guess he can use Axes or something.  Celerity 5, Thief 5, who the fuck cares what else.

No one else in FF9 really feels appropriate, either because redundant like Blank and Cinna, or "shut up fanboys, that character is worse than Reno in every possible way and it's by a wide margin to boot" like Lani.


Final Fantasy 10:
Everyone but Braska and Jecht are permanent PCs.  Jecht is a major boss fight who is SORT OF the game's main antagonist, plus Dissidia to his name, so he fits.  Braska is an oddity, though extremely important to FF10's Lore, and enough to work with that you can bullshit a skillset out of; one of the odder picks, to be sure.

Paine deserves mention since she's a Sequel-only character, but a permanent PC in said game, so her inclusion makes sense, not to mention she covers two niches FF10 was lacking in Knight and Spellblade.

POTENTIAL ADDITIONS:

Seymour: High on the "why isn't he in the game yet?" list, especially when we have Braska running around.  He'd be Black 5, Summon 5, White 3, Darkness 5.  Most of that is self explanatory, but White 3 is there because he knows some White Magic in FF10, but I also clearly wanted him to have a deficiency, skillset wise, compared to Yuna and Braska, rather than look straight up more appealing than both, so white 3 feels like a healthy compromise.


Final Fantasy 11:
Shantotto's the only one in and she's...a gag NPC who has her own mini story and yeah, she got in thanks to Grandfather clause and seniority.

So I'm just going to list a bunch of characters I feel SHOULD get in, based off watching cutscenes and taking a shot everytime a new apostrophe name appears.

Lion: One of the primary NPCs of the Rise of Zilart/Shadow Lord saga (I hesitate to call her "Protagonist" because she doesn't feel central), she'd have a typical Thief build from what I saw.
Zeid: Another major NPC in the same storyline, apparently plays a notable role in others.  He'd be your typical Dark Knight build ala Leon and Seifer
Aldo: He was a major character but **** if I could get a read on his fighting style; just listing him for completion.
Prishe: Probably the next FF11er coming just based off history, she also makes sense being functionally the protagonist of the Chains of Promathia storyline which is easily the biggest and most popular storyline from my understanding.  She'd have a typical Monk build w/ White 4 tacted on.
Tenzen: Notable NPC in Chains of Promathia, he'd have Combat 5, Samurai 5, and probably somethign else to make him not suck; I was going to give him Summon because Phoenix but Locke already shows you can handle that with just Soul Breaks.
Ulmia: White Mage/Bard build; she's a notable NPC, not much else to say
The Chebukki Triplets: Go-Die-In-A-Ditch 8*.  I hate these bastards that much.
Louverance: Knight 5, Thief 4, don't care what else.


...and now I've confused most people here, MWAHAHAHAAHH!


Final Fantasy 12:
The 6 permanent PCs are in, Gabranth is the "go to" Villain rep thanks to Dissidia, and being a judge is iconic of FF12, as well as a major boss figure, so he gets a pass, and Larsa's a minor temp who plays a notable role as an NPC.

OTHER POTENTIALS:

Vossler: He's a notable minor temp, but I can't be bothered to think of a unique set for him
Reddas: ...ditto this guy
Al-Cid: Because shut up, he's awesome!  I'm sure there's some set up that fits him based off his presentation in FFTA2


Final Fantasy 13:
All 6 main PCs are there, Serah is basically the same situation as Zack being an NPC (if a more notable one) in the main game, but protagonist of a spin off, and Noel is basically a Paine situation of major PC in the sequel, thus honorary member of the roster.  That leaves Cid Raines, who is basically the closest thing FF13 has to a usable main antagonist...well, they COULD use EVIL MECHA POPE in human form and...wait why didn't they actually?  Still, Raines is a notable face throughout FF13, so he works.

POTENTIAL ADDITIONS:
Dysley: Like I said, why the hell wasn't this guy used?  White 5 and Darkness 5, making him a Darkness White Mage...no I don't think that would work, but it fits thematically damn it!
Caius: He's basically the only spin-off villain of a mainline game to be notable in any sense (outside of maybe Genesis), so I figure it couldn't hurt to bring him up here.  Some Magic Knight build w/ Darkness 5 is what I see.


Final Fantasy 14:
The 4 main Scions are in, which is to be expected I suppose.

So Characters who SHOULD get in just like FF11, only this time I feel more confident since I actually, you know, played FF14.

Alphinaud: He's basically the game's protagonist all things considered *punts the 'Y'shtola as primary rep' nonsense*, and easily the biggest NPC in the game and unlike Minfilia, the one people were saying beforehand (not unfound in respects to 2.X to be fair), Alphinaud actually fights and isn't a running gag at lacking combat ability.  He'd be another White Mage/Summoner hybrid, maybe get some Black Magic, and be someone who could use books besides Tyro.
Cid Garlond: One of the more prominent Cid's in the series and one who can actually fight too, he can use Swords, Guns, Machinist 5, Knight 4 (he's a Gladiator so I feel Knight 4 is a decent compromise), and Support 5
Estinien: Is a notable NPC throughout all of HW, and he'd be a Dragoon...hell, just copy and paste Kain outside of sword usage and you'd be accurate
Ysayle: Feels like she should be in and I think she's a Thaumaturge so...something with Black 5, maybe Summon levels because Shva
Haurchefant: Combat 5, Knight 5, yes this is boring but it's basically all that fits him.

Rauhbahn: Combat 5, Monk 4, Samurai 4, Knight 5; yeah not too dissimilar to Gilgamesh but feels accurate.  Also he's one of the main City State leaders
Merlwyb: Support 5, Shooter 5, and some tanky set up because she's a Roegadyn
Kan-E-Senna: White 5, and really anything else
Ser Ayemeric: Knight 5, White 4, Combat 5; typical Paladin build, etc.

Hildibrand: Gentleman 5.  Yes, they will create an entire skillset specifically for him; others can use it but that'll be a post for another time.
Godbert Manderville:  See the Oldmen in FF3?  Yeah, make those 5* into 10*, and double the stats.  NOTHING ELSE WILL SUFFICE!

Probably some villains but I'm too lazy to handle them.  I would put Nanamo in, but frankly, she'd work better as just a powered up state for Rauhbahn by sitting on his shoulder.

Final Fantasy Tactics:
Ramza, Agrias and Mustadio are all permanent PCs, Delita and Ovelia are minor temps but major NPCs...odd they were prioritized over other Permanent PCs, but let's go with the other permanent PCs to handle them!

OTHER ADDITIONS yada yada yada:

Rafa: Jokes aside, she could probably be some sort of Sage build.
Malak: Like her sister, a Sage build, lower magic but give him game best Magic Defense, even higher than Celes
Beowulf: Knight 4, Spellblade 3, Support 5, Black 3 because he's gotta have magic somewhere
Reis: Monk 5, Summon 3, White 4, Black 4...yeah, she's hard to really do well; I was going to say Dragoon but that's really just nothing but Jumps and thus is lame
Orlandu: Knight 5, Combat 5, Darkness 4, Spellblade 5, Support 3.  Knight and Combat are givens, Darkness is only at 4 because while he does have Dark Knight skills, FFTWotL shows there's more to Dark knight than 2 skills, so let's say Darkness 4 is a good compromise, Spellblade 5 because if Delita gets Spellblade 5, Orlandu sure as hell should too.  Support 3 is chosen because it demonstrates his ability to hit status, but doesn't give him Breakdowns; yes he can break equipment, but he can't break stats without using Battle Skills, so I feel letting him have Stat breaks via Combat but not Breakdowns via support is a fair compromise.  Also speed is not a stat he can hit which is why I didn't give him Celerity 3.  Yes, Orlandu should be strong, but we're trying to not make him stupidly OP for the sake of keeping RK interesting.  On top of that, no, he shouldn't get Samurai because none of his skillset remotely resembles Samurai, and plenty of characters like Vaan, Zack, and Bartz demonstrate usage of Katanas without any Samurai levels  (though I believe the reverse is true that all users of Samurai can use Katanas)
Meliadoul: Combat 5, Knight 5...yeah, not much else you can do with her.  She'd get access to Bows and Lances as her one niche over Orlandu which yes sucks but it's accurate to FFT at least!
Worker 8: Do not put in, just make Ramza have a Soul Break where-in Worker 8 dances, then explodes the person...hell, make that his OSB!
Byblos: Not even worthy of being a Soul Break, he's just lame.

...no I didn't forget Rad, Alicia and Lavian, they just don't count and should be cores.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 16, 2016, 08:39:48 AM
That's a lot of words I didn't read.

And, yeah, I got my 25 mythril back and another chance at the Lucky Draw. I'm gonna just hold onto it for the upcoming fests, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 16, 2016, 11:28:01 AM
That was a fun read. Well thought out predictions. I wonder how DeNA will drop the ball on all of them.

Odd that you didn't add Vayne in FF12. You also didn't mention RW but I assume that's because those characters have a much lower chance of getting in than literally any other FF sequel.

And... while I agree that Reno is an odd choice to prioritize, he doesn't seem nearly as out of place as Braska. Honestly I'd be okay with seeing more Turks in FF7's roster as opposed to a lot of the other potential ideas from that game (dear god what if they use Vincent May Cry villains?) Cissnei, Rude, Elena are at least potentially interesting. I'd be okay with CC:FF7 Angeal too, if for no other reason than "why doesn't FF7 have a Knight character yet?" 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 16, 2016, 11:40:20 AM
Onion Knight gets an ATK+MAG+Hastega AoE buff as his BSB. Oh dear lord.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on June 16, 2016, 11:43:18 AM
Me IRL

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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 16, 2016, 01:12:01 PM
hi grefter
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 16, 2016, 02:50:44 PM
welp, not only am I way more partial to FF3NES than I am FF3DS, that is too good to not pull on (I don't care that the liberty staff already basically gives me that anyway).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on June 16, 2016, 03:03:12 PM
Hello(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ben887lozOY/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 16, 2016, 03:12:12 PM
Beat but didn't master Caius Ballad thanks to him killing both Mog and Eiko with his final rush of Pulsar Blast/Giga-Graviton/other assorted AOE nonsense, but I think I can live with that since Wind Orbs were the major prize and it took a shit-ton of S/L to get there (plus I had to make and hone Dismissal and hone FB to R2, but both of those had to happen at some point anyway). I probably could have avoided one of those deaths if Dismissal had proc'ed any of the three times in a row I used it leading up to the final blow, but again, oh well, got my MWOs.

Also, my mythril hoard is up to 298 so I feel good about the BSBfest whenever that finally lands.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 16, 2016, 03:20:28 PM
Next week will be so danged tense. I want to pull on Braska banner 1 because I seriously could use FFX bracers and all character relics but Rikku would see some use (if nothing else, getting to combine Lightning Steels would help sword users in-realm quite a bit, I lack mage SSBs -and- MAG-dominant rods in FFX, an Enholy wouldn't go amiss and Auron's SSB is really good), but with Summon Nightmare and BSB fest looming ever closer, I'm wary of pushing my luck there, especially after the Mythril sprees on Cait Sith banner for waifu reasons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 16, 2016, 07:38:06 PM
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Odd that you didn't add Vayne in FF12. You also didn't mention RW but I assume that's because those characters have a much lower chance of getting in than literally any other FF sequel.

I was actually considering it and didn't because...I kind of thought I did and didn't proof-read, so yeah, oops on my end.  Consider this the ammendment!

Vayne: Main villain, make him a standard Monk w/ Darkness 5.

I didn't mention RW because of that reason specifically; it's the kind of sequel DeNA is going to glance over.

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And... while I agree that Reno is an odd choice to prioritize, he doesn't seem nearly as out of place as Braska. Honestly I'd be okay with seeing more Turks in FF7's roster as opposed to a lot of the other potential ideas from that game (dear god what if they use Vincent May Cry villains?) Cissnei, Rude, Elena are at least potentially interesting. I'd be okay with CC:FF7 Angeal too, if for no other reason than "why doesn't FF7 have a Knight character yet?"

I can totally buy Reno vs. Braska, Braska always felt weird as an addition to me if that wasn't clear.

That said, I can't say I agree about Elena and Rude being interesting additions.  Reno is a completely fudged character as is, meaning they weren't basing him off how they fight, begging the question of "Why don't they just get away with anything?"  Remember all Reno does in FF7 is zap with you his rod, Pyramid (in one fight), throw fireballs at you, and rod smacks.  How that translates to "Black Mage with some physical stats" is beyond me.

Rude would just be another Monk who MIGHT have some Black Magic levels, which is frankly not a combo that really meshes well (how many Mage Gloves are there after all?) and Elena doesn't have anything other than generic explosion attacks that, again, would classify as "Magic."  The two have nothing that really stands out and makes them seriously worth considering.  Cissnei has nothing to go off of either other than "she uses a Throwing Star" as her weapon, which to me isn't enough.

Angeal...yeah, kind of, but at the same time I feel he should be as similar to Zack and Cloud as possible, given that's the whole point of the legacy thing.  Genesis, by contrast, doesn't have that obvious connection and feels more free, and given his link to Minerva and being a villain, he kind of fits as a Dark Knight style character, thus gets the FF7 Knight quota done.  The Angel WIng thing even further suggests a "Light Aligned Villain" (even if it's black), and Knight demonstrates that well.  Granted, Kuja is pretty much always thought of as Holy Aligned but they stereotyped him into being a dark elemental because lol-villain.  At least Sephiroth managed to sidestep that, being Fire elemental (Which is far more fitting since most of Sephiroth's strongest imagery is related to fire, the most obvious example being the fire walk.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 16, 2016, 08:55:26 PM
Done with Figabros mk. II until the Ultimates. The Cid Mission involving the Tentacles fight, which is historically sort of annoying, actually wasn't bad, but I suppose Kefka's Havoc Wing paralyzing half the tentacles first turn didn't hurt. Party was Edgar/Sabin/Kefka/Mog. Storm Dragon ate Cait Sith/Yuffie dance-debuffing parade and cried marine salt. I'm really looking forward to getting the robocat's MC2 in about three weeks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 17, 2016, 04:01:04 AM
Beat the Ultimates myself.  Mage Meta'd both, only thing worth noting is I failed the Stooges initially since I didn't bring a way to deal with Reflect, so 60 stamina down the drain.  Returned with putting Banishing Strike on Tyro, and that solved all the problems.  Full Medal'd that fight even.

Nothing really to note about set ups.  Terra covered Fire njukes in both fights, brought Bahamut because Bahamut, Tyro used appropriate dance, Yuna w/ Healing and appropriate defensive buff, Kuja had DARKNESS, Lulu with whatever spell req Terra wasn't using.  In hindsight, should have brought Meteor to the stooges on Lulu instead of Drainga, but whatever, full medal'd it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on June 17, 2016, 04:17:03 AM
forgot to master caius, so i went and pulled for chainsaw instead

http://i.imgur.com/5BciKbg.jpg

took 10 mythril
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 17, 2016, 05:44:13 AM
WTF is this Pudding Master U++ fight from? I do not remember this guy from FF4 at all. Is it an FF4TAY thing?

Anyway, blitzed him down with Ramza, Terra (R5 Alexander/Ixion), Beatrix, Tyro, and Relm. EZPZ. One medal losr on fallen members since Relm and Tyro ate it a turn before the BSBs and holy weakness were out, but it just barely didn't matter.

Will probably use the same strat on the U++ Calabrinas. Liberty staff letting me use mages again is quite nice, if I haven't brought that up enough before.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on June 17, 2016, 05:53:28 AM
This is the original Ultimate ++ Pudding Master. (http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=26)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 17, 2016, 11:42:52 AM
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WTF is this Pudding Master U++ fight from? I do not remember this guy from FF4 at all. Is it an FF4TAY thing?

FF4 Advance, I believe.  He was one of the weapon guardians in the Maze of Trials to get "weapons that make the former temps NOT SUCK", guarded Palom's Triton Dagger, I want to say.

Sounds like RK takes from both Advance/PSP FF4 AND FF4DS now...still hate the fact that they think the latter is a good idea, because seriously, Geryon is stupid and looks stupid, and a large part of the FF4 Realm's issues do in fact stem from using FF4DS as the inspiration instead of the original game. 


Anyway, Onion Knight dropped and he's weird.  Can use just about everything in terms of equips, missing out only the oddball ones like Blitzballs and Gun Arms, gets 3* in all the basic skill schools except Summoning, instead getting Ninja, and can raise those to 5* in record dive, and stats are really good at level 99.

Problem?  His stats are ABYSMAL before level 93 from what I can tell.  We're talking so bad even CORES pick on you.  To put things into perspective...

Level 50 Black Mage: 1792 HP, 50 Str, 34 Def, 88 Mag, 81 Res, 62 Mind, 91 Speed
Level 80 Onion KNight: 1131 HP, 38 Str, 24 Def, 39 Mag, 24 Res, 37 Mind, 117 Speed

Yes, a level 50 Black Mage has better stats across the board than a level 80 Onion Knight.  Looks like he's going to take serious work to make not suck, and since EXP requirements skyrocket after level 80, egging him up won't be so easy too.


Another flaw he has is he's not as versatile as he seems on paper after Record Dive.  Consider he doesn't have:

-Summon, aka the major source of AoE damage.  He relies on Meteor for this.  Also means he can't Carbuncle
-Can't use Knight for Saint's Cross or the new Gaia Cross which sounds like an Earth variant, which would be major DPS boons
-No Thief for Thief's Revenge for that matter (I think at 99 he gets the 5 hit variant)
-Can't use Shooter either for it's Saint Cross level power for that matter
-His only real physical DPS if I'm looking at this is Chainstarter + Full Charge combo, after that it's Barrage.
-Lacks the gimmicky skillsets like Dancer, which can in fact come in handy.

He's not bad, but some are jumping on the "OMG OP!" bandwagon, but many sensible people are noting that he's NOT better than specialists at the same job, for the most part.  He's not bad by any means, but he's by no means OP, and his big draw really is his BSB when it comes down to it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 17, 2016, 11:48:40 AM
New project: Make a super Onion Knight.

Hmm... I suppose I'd wanna pull his relic first but... ugh spending mythril on an FF3 banner.


Global: Ultimates down. Geez that was a cakewalk. I was doing the fight on the way home from work and at one point after the initial setup turns, I just hit "Autobattle" when my attention was diverted elsewhere...

I guess they are throwing a bone to people who -don't- have native trinity and enough FF6 synergy gear to make the whole equipment screen shiny blue. I may do a challenge run of Vargas at some point with cores~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 17, 2016, 01:12:06 PM
Done with the Ultimates, which were easy as hell. Honestly, Dream Stooges were more annoying than U+ Vargas because of their Arise gimmick. THIS SAID, they seriously struggle against Indomitable Blade and are individually fragile, Good night and good luck. Vargas... uh wow, I have -no idea- why he's so underwhelming. I even came in with little AoE, but the Ipoohs have bad offense for U+ standards and give you tons of time to build up gauge for unleashing hell on Vargas. I'm pretty sure I ran out of SSII ticks (ran it as a RW once again) late in the fight and I hardly -noticed- it because stacking Bartz' DEF +50%, Protectga, Power Breakdown, Full Break and Toy Soldier neutered him so badly. It's fun to slot Cait Sith into A-teams, at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 17, 2016, 07:59:57 PM
Things I did in paranoia for the U+:

Crafted/Honed Bioga to R4
Honed Fira Strike and Bio Strike to R5.

...Not sure I needed to do either, with how easy it was.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 17, 2016, 10:04:33 PM
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WTF is this Pudding Master U++ fight from? I do not remember this guy from FF4 at all. Is it an FF4TAY thing?

FF4 Advance, I believe.  He was one of the weapon guardians in the Maze of Trials to get "weapons that make the former temps NOT SUCK", guarded Palom's Triton Dagger, I want to say.

Sounds like RK takes from both Advance/PSP FF4 AND FF4DS now...still hate the fact that they think the latter is a good idea, because seriously, Geryon is stupid and looks stupid, and a large part of the FF4 Realm's issues do in fact stem from using FF4DS as the inspiration instead of the original game. 

Now presenting, Final Fantasy: Broken Record.


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Onion Knight

Eh, those base stats are ridic at L99, and considering I have like 3 characters at L99 (and the only reason Ramza, Terra, and Tyro aren't is that I want to keep using them in normal content and my OCD requires that they be able to gain XP) that's not that excessive of a requirement. I'd also say that having all the basic skillsets under 200~ naked ATK and MAG more than makes up for lacking Knight/Summoner/etc. Fair point about lacking MT damage, though.

I'd agree with you that he's limited but disagree on the reasons. More than "lol he neds xp eggs" or "lol his only dps is the best dps combo in the game outside of SBs" or whatever, lets consider this:

1) His Record Dive isn't based off of normal materials, but is instead based off of 5* class-specific mats that look like they'll ONLY be available through Cid's Missions until the 26th, meaning if you want to use him you need to level him now, otherwise some of those skillsets will be 3* for the foreseeable future. To offset this, there is a Sundaily-like dungeon in the FF3 event itself, though how good it is compared to Sundaily remains to be seen. 

2) He is the first character to have an MC3 released specifically for him (as opposed to an empty lode that you have a choice of who to use it on), and as of right now he does not appear in the Hall of Rites MC3 section. They could very well lock out his MC3 for a long time after the event if you failed to complete the U+ dungeon in the allotted time.

These strike me as pretty odd decisions, if appropriate for the character (after your thesis on characters and how they relate to their counterparts from the base games I am surprised you are not creaming yourself just a bit over how clever this implementation is).  Onion Knight, even with his BSB, strikes me as kind of the ultimate catch-up character. If you have no SSBs or BSBs at all, he's almost assuredly going to find a slot on your team (if playing for optimization) provided you unlock his full potential during the event. However, not only is his (absolutely necessary) MC3 currently only available for a limited time and locked behind a U+ boss, and the mats needed to unlock his full skillset are also on a timer.

So despite being a catchup character he's going to only be the most useful for someone who started playing JP maybe... 3 months ago? Yeah.  And even then, if you were around for the SaGa event, his BSB isn't really that stellar if you pulled the Liberty Rod, and if you have Shout that's still strictly better due to the Hastega.

Weird character.

Speaking of Shout, let's do U++ Calis and Brinas.

Exact same setup as Pudding Master, exact same medals lost, exact same number of characters down (though this time it was Relm and Ramza). Speed Holy Lightning bombardment strats are a fun changeup from the usual slog U+/+ fights tend to be. The Brinas were weak to lightning, so Terra used Ixion until Beatrix got Imperil: Holy down, then switched to Alexander. I also had Tyro use Lightning jump for funsies. Really good against lightning-weak folks, that was something like 24k after shout? Yikes. Skills that make me regret my Kimarhi SSB less and less. Too bad about the Single Target.

Probably could have full medaled the fight had Ramza not eaten it JUUUST before his BSB went off, but I didn't feel like S/Ling.

Funny, I finally pull Shout last week and this week I keep using it as a RW so I can use Ramza's BSB. I have a feeling that's going to be a recurring theme, me not actually using my native shout. Le sigh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 18, 2016, 12:40:07 AM
Onion Knight BSB has Hastega as well actually, which a large part of why it's so good. You can stack on any other party atk buff that you might to compensate for the fact that it's not 50%, or bring stuff like Steal Power/Punishing Palm out of mothballs, etc.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 18, 2016, 01:07:44 AM
Fair, I spaced on that this morning. Yeah OK, in that case it is just a flat out better shout, due to the ATK softcap uuuuusually being hit at this point in the game if you have any synergy at all.

On that note, after looking at the banner I'm gonna have to pass. It's not bad, but since I have the liberty staff I can't really justify the pull so close to the next equipment fest. Not on such a rarely used realm, anyway. :(

I'll just have to live with all the Onion Kid RWs I'll be collecting from now on.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 18, 2016, 03:07:58 PM
Slapped U+ Vargas around in-between core dungeons. Ran low on hones for a couple of characters but never was in danger of actually losing (I did have one S/L that involved five AOE physical attacks before I could get mitigation up). Next up is....an FFX event where the U+ requires a ton of Holy offense? Aw, and it's not even my birthday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on June 19, 2016, 01:28:02 AM
#lolvargas

http://i.imgur.com/Sd51wpX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Gp6CExd.jpg

who needs mitigation
RW Shout
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 19, 2016, 02:05:18 AM
Summoner Lucky Draw... Aurora Rod x2, what the fuck. At least it's not a blank.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 19, 2016, 02:10:10 AM
Washout for me. My first 0/11 in a lucky draw.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 19, 2016, 02:12:32 AM
Got Hope's SSB. First black mage/summoner relic, first FFXIII mage relic, and first SSB, so I can't complain.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on June 19, 2016, 02:16:39 AM
2nd Maduin's Horn

I've gone full Meeple
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 19, 2016, 02:52:53 AM
Arc's Holy Wand.  Medica that boosts res, it'll do.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 19, 2016, 03:51:34 AM
Second Lucky Draw where I've gone 0/11.  Eh, whatever.  Lots of stuff I wanted, but none that I really needed.

Anyway.

https://imgur.com/a/4MiwY

Nightmare Neo Bahamut done.  Actually had a Quistis Mighty Guard (VIII) RW set, but this probably would've been good too.

Things I could've changed:

Put Hardened Assassin on Tyro instead of Devotion.
*Maybe* switched Hope out for Eiko.
Put Devotion on Terra.
Remembered to equip the R2 Bahamut I JUST made.

Fight needed a second try due to me honing up Ultros a bit, rearranging a few skills, making sure things worked...  But all in all, tense puzzle fight.  Yuna's Medica really was key to my survival at the end, though.  Too bad Hope bit the dust RIGHT at the end, but eh, details.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 19, 2016, 04:04:29 AM
25 mythril for MT Slow (rising sun). Is this a good value?

Nightmare looks nasty.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 19, 2016, 04:20:09 AM
It's a Magic relic for Rinoa/Hope in the Nightmare dungeon, at least, and good for FF8 realm synergy if used by those two or Edea, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 19, 2016, 04:27:21 AM
I actually literally have every Magic Thrown weapon except for Rinoa's first one now...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 19, 2016, 08:31:31 AM
3 rainbows!  A duplicate of Rydia's Mystic Whip (so good stat-stick for the nightmare at a minimum), a Cyclone Grimoire (uh... Rosetta Stone?), and Hope's Airwing (so apparently the game thinks I should full mage meta through FFXIII content at this point).  Not a great haul, but this probably puts Hope into the top five for the Nightmare at any rate.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 19, 2016, 02:00:39 PM
Nightmare Beaten. 

Set Up:

Yuna: Valefor R3, Shiva R5, Summoner's Bond
Eiko: Bahamut R2, Ultros R3, Devotion
Terra: Ramuh R5, Maduin R3, Blood of the Summoners
Tyro: Phantasm R3, Ixion R3, Mako's Might
Arc: Shellga R2, Ifrit R5, Dr. Mog's Teachings
RW: Mighty Guard

First runs had Eiko w/ Curaja R5, but I wasn't doing enough damage overall, and Arc was underleveled.  So I egged him up, MC2'd him, and honed Ultros up by buying some GSOs and sacrificing a few MSOs (Bahamut R3 is a long way off regardless; not going to be feasible until next Summon Orb fest at the least earliest), and went back.  I could have replaced Eiko w/ Aerith since Eiko was stuck at level 65, but she could use the Fairy Flute+, so i figured I'd try one more time with her; 1 Stamina fight means open to experimentation afterall.
Anyway, strategy was Eiko goes all out with Ultros early on, Tyro SG's then Phantasms a bit, Terra and Yuna sneak in some Shiva/Ramuh for early damage and gauge building.  Survive Giga Flare, do the elemental thing; during this phase, it's mostly timing, but base don how things go, Yuna might toss Shiva in his 2nd Ifrit phase, Terra would throw Ramuh depending on if he had level 2 orb or not (could not get the alleged Level 3 Orb), Tyro sneaks in a Phantasm if possible, etc.  Terra also throws in a Magitek Missile since it's classified as NAT so doesn't break conditions, and still does 7500 to him which is not much worse than Valduin here.

Phase 3, Tyro throws Ixion, Yuna claims she can fly as she summons her laser chicken, Terra tells her father Neo Bahamut is bulling her, and Eiko decides to be ironic with Bahamut; Arc gets whatever Ifrit shots he has left in, but also uses his Medica because mitigation, etc.

Fight ends with Eiko dead, but she already used all her charges anyway so mostly there for the extra Medica, 2 medals lost on damage, and we're good.



That said, new info dropped about events in Japan:

Atomos is the new Nightmare fight, for a Celerity one apparently.  Something like 2 hits, hastes user, and damage increases if user is under Hast.  Could be interesting.
Squall OSB, whatever, we already knew that was coming
FF11 event dropping soon apparently, giving us Curilla and Ayame.  Apparently the former is a Paladin and the latter is our first female Samurai.  Not who anyone expected actually, so most are speculating it's based around how those two represent San'Oria and Bastok, the other two Major Cities in the series, with Windhurst being represented by Shantotto.  Yeah, similar to FF14 where they went Y'shotla for Limsa Lominsa, Thancred for Ul'dah, and Papalymo/Yda for Gridania, so I guess there's a precedent.  Given how we have only 3 FF11 PCs total after these two, I can't imagine them having 2 full banners, so i suspect a repeat of the FFT event where it's more a mini-event.


I guess it's nice to see an actual FF11 event for once.  They have been doing whatever they could to sidestep it afterall, putting Shantotto in as a DU PC, and then giving us her MCs and Soul Break in a Dissidia event, though I guess it's because unlike FF14, FF11 isn't quite as easy to frame things around given it's less structured nature? 
Oh, also speculated that FF11 is getting an event to give Multiplayer Beta players a few more options for synergy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 19, 2016, 03:38:33 PM
Mr. N. Bahamut down. On the first try! Full Nightmare Synergy team for the first time ever thanks to the stars aligning and me having all of the trinity pieces on Summoners - Eiko had Hastega, Garnet had Faithga, and Yuna had Regenga/Medica. (And Tyro had Wall of course...)

That said, jeez that was a close fight. I had 0 charges of damage left on any character right at the end. I mean, luckily I had Rinoa's Brothers SB and Garnet's Leviathan SB so I was able to knock off his last bit of health before he rained death and shame down on my team but relying solely on Summons for damage is awful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 19, 2016, 07:15:35 PM
Zero 5 atars. Lololol

Wasn't really expecting much anyways.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 19, 2016, 11:43:21 PM
Also cleared Summon Nightmare. Setup went roughly like this:

L80 Rinoa (R5 Maduin/R5 Shiva - Devotion)
L80 Arc (R5 Valefor/R5 Ifrit - Vow of Vengeance clone)
L80 Aerith (R5 Curaja/R2 Shellga - Healer's Prayer)
L80 Yuna (R5 Alexander/R5 Ramuh - Vow of Vengeance)
L65 Eiko (R4 Mana's Paean/R5 Ixion - Dr. Mog's Teachings)

SSII RW

I'll be honest: I think I overdid my preparation for NEO Bahamut. Rinoa was breaking 11k on him with Maduin -before- Mana's Paean and my one S/L came from me triggering phase 3 too fast (the 3*s were hitting for 14k with weakness, which was kinda wtf) and actually triggering Nightmare Gigaflare due to poor timing. I might've even lived through it, since I had a SSII charge and Reraise, but felt it wasn't worth the trouble to try scrambling it out. The winning run ended with no casualties at any point and only one medal lost on damage. And I probably had enough charges to last at least another phase (I only emptied Maduin out of my offensive skill slots). That was kinda nuts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 20, 2016, 12:22:55 AM
Not bothering with Neo Bahamut - I kinda doubt R1 Valefor, R2 Carbuncle, R1 Ultros, and R1 Fat Chocobo are up to the task. I did clear out the guardians straight off, which mostly went okay except for the Magus three. Mindy had a nasty habit of OHKO'ing somebody straight out of the gate, and RNG decreed I would get no Wall RW, so that was a fun few dozen S/Ls.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 20, 2016, 10:24:37 AM
Cleared out the FF3 event. OK's BSB is fuuuuun as a RW. On top of already being ridiculous, its Defend command is a magic attack that gives your next attack no charge, and it's pretty strong by itself, so if you just keep spamming it you can crank out like 6 before Burst mode wears off. Ridiculous.

Using it as a RW made me give into temptation and try for it. Pulled an off-banner FFX rod. This game has decided it doesn't want me to have trouble with FFX events I suppose.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 20, 2016, 12:04:10 PM
Apparently, Ark can drop Major Summon Orbs.   I've been farming him as a result...mostly got Greater Non-Elemental Orbs, outside of my last run which gave me an MSO.

Honestly, I'm fine with this, since GNOs are useful (don't all the Chain-spells use MNOs if nothing else, so each run is 1/10th of that is the way I look at it.)  Probably what I'll be doing on days with crap dailies when Nightmares are open and no other content to work with at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 21, 2016, 04:11:03 AM
So, this happened:

[20:41] <MagicFanatic> Time to get rect- *Draws Braska's Staff* ...Or not.

Now to get Braska himself!


EDIT:

Also.

One of my co-workers at one of my stores plays this.  She's managed to get Y'shtola's Robe, Arc's SB Staff, and Minwu's SSB staff from the WHM pull, and Aeris's SSB and Eiko's Golem's Flute from the Summoner's Lucky Draw.

Considering her breadth of White Mage options (and her only having 50 Stamina, to give an indicator of how far in she is), I suggested her party be Retaliator/Eiko/Minwu/Arc/Aeris.  Also told her to focus on dailies for Wednesday/Thursday/Friday, for Wind/White/Holy Orbs for making the Dia line and other required White Magics.

Was this sound advice?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 21, 2016, 05:48:24 AM
So as always FFX is my weak realm among the realms the matter, with a decent selection of armor but just Tidus' Force Saber and the Celebration Dagger on offense.  Time to spend!

Dollar Pull: Red Armlet.  Doesn't address my main need but I can't be mad about that.
11x Pull: Reckt. 

So I'm sitting at ~25 mythril after I clear the event, so I'll have to think about this one.  Definitely not doing anything until after banner 2's dollar pull, but if that doesn't yield some weapons.... I dunno.  If there's a good FFX-centric banner in the Burst Fest (I mean that's what, next week?  Week after?) maybe I hold for that but... yeah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 21, 2016, 03:06:06 PM
Did a bunch of pulls because I like the banner enough for it and Riot Blade's pretty hot. End result: I got a 133 ATK Lightning Steel, enough FFX bracers to never have armor problems in the realm again (actually pretty big, my FFX armor selection was rather lacking) and Yuna's Songstress Rod. It honestly could've gone worse.

I'm not sure which setup I'll work for Cid's Mission, though: I want to bring Rikku for HyperNulAl and run Yuna offensively with Diaga+Alexander, but then I'll either give up Wakka's Breakdowns or Braska as my dedicated healer. Though... I can forfeit Rikku's HyperNulAl, I guess, and run Boost on Tidus since, with my Thief Blade and that 7* Lightning Steel, both ram past the softcap with a 25% ATK buff. Run Curaja+Protectga on Braska with Mage's Staff for an extra medica, try to balance Farplane Wind and Hymn of the Fayth with Battleforged on Yuna and hope for the best, I guess. R3 Full Charge should be enough on Auron for my offensive needs on the offensive non-character SB user. Still undecided on whether I run Shale's Cleansing Strike or a Mighty Guard/Divine Guardian RW. SG's likely out because at least half of Braska's Final Aeon's damage is ITD.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 21, 2016, 03:36:01 PM
If I try it I'm torn between hastega or a stacking ATK breakdown; FB+Dragon Fang probably won't be enough to make Ultimate Jecht Shot reasonably survivable, but I have yet to encounter a U+ I could stand up to without haste.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 21, 2016, 04:42:43 PM
Yeah, the speed on the U+s is always a problem. I'm not sure Protectga+PBD+FB is enough, either, but won't know 'til I try.

EDIT: Speaking of which, completely dried up my egg reserves, but raised Rikku to L80 and Braska to L71. I'm still undecided on my Cid's Mission setup, but I figure they may be useful for the time being. Also, Farplane Wind Yuna offense is oddly legit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 21, 2016, 05:47:04 PM
Finished the event tuhs far including Cid Missions.  For the solo Jecht one, I needed to use a Mithril Refresh because I didn't want to S/L every single encounter to insure Jecht minimized damage.  yes, I COULD have brought Chakra there, and probably should have but I'm not making a single low level skill just for an event like that, I'll spend the single Mithril of my 260+ just to get through it.

Also going back to the Edgar/Sabin event to finish the Cid Mission I botched there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 22, 2016, 01:41:12 AM
Pushed Doga and Unne's shits in with the single target crew (RamBaRelTiTy), was EZ. Fragment Dungeon Arhiman actually gave me some trouble since I forgot to switch Ramza to Full Break from Banish Raid.

I realized I probably now have the appropriate synergy to take down the Fragment Dungeon Magus Sisters with the Cid's mission, and did that too. Not as much of a joke as Tidus made the recent FFX U+ fight, but not by much.

With that done, and me with shout, I'll probably go get Ifrit FINALLY taken care of this afternoon.  Otherwise, the Fat Chocobo Major orbs aren't really that enticing this week, so I'll probably actually just level in the FF3 Sundaily dungeon all week. It's actually only 10k less EXP per round than normal Sundailies, abd with synergy my FF3 crew benefits a lot. Plus, to actually unlock Onion Knight's full potential, I need 6 more Onion Medals, and I can get them there.

Also, Terra is now L99 and I have her Devotion Plus RM. Is good.

Edit: oh, yeah, fun fact. Desch did not even have an MC2 until this event.

The number of people who care: 0.

Even Meeple and I can probably agree on that.

Edit 2: Oh, huh. Record dive gives Tidus Spellblade 3.

So long story short I finally beat Fragment Ifrit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 22, 2016, 04:33:19 AM
I'd care if he'd started with support 4!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 22, 2016, 06:28:59 PM
[12:20] <MagicFanatic> Let's see...  Beating up Ultima Buster is worth...  4121 XP per 1 Stamina per character, about 6182 instead if they have Black 5.  Considering Sundailies, this is...  Considering party slots being taken up and ninjas not getting synergy bonuses...  About three times as efficient?

This does, of course, assume that you have a natural Runic or Hastega as-is, and if you can only get one, you can supply the other with a RW.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 23, 2016, 03:03:55 AM
Burstfest starts Saturday, with Cecil's Excalibur as the big prize for round 1 and Peacemaker, Excalibur VI and Chocobo Brush also in the mix. The Big Bridge Boss Bonanza kicks off the same night. Fun weekend ahead!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 23, 2016, 10:38:01 AM
Burst Soul Breakout banners are out and wow, I'm underwhelmed. Good utilitarian selection, but all banners but 5 have at least two relics I already have (Banner 4, which is amazing on paper with Bartz BSB, Shout, Apocalypse Shield, Faris' ATK+MAG debuff and -two- other Hastega relics, suffers from me having Excalibur, Genji Blade, Sorceress' Crown and Shout itself). This said, banner 5 has tons of stuff I could use (FF7 BSB sword, FF6 BSB rod, FF12 SSB, HotE, Kaiser Shield, Grand Armor and Sentinel's Grimoire). Only relative dud would be Fairy Flute and at least that'd be a MND +10 for Eiko.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 23, 2016, 11:29:35 AM
I'm not quite in the same boat, but there's still a bunch of repeats for me. Banner 4 is definitely the champ, but I've got enough mythril to throw around that I'll do a pull on 3 in hopes of Keeper's Grimoire, a couple on 5 (unless I snag Keeper's Grimoire) and at least one on 1 because I really want Indomitable Blade.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 23, 2016, 01:05:55 PM
I have several relics on each too, I think Banner 5 is the best for me since I only have EIko's Fairy Flute and Sentinel Grimoire from there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 23, 2016, 01:35:46 PM
I'm think of either doing 1 pull on banner 1, and 3 on banner 4...

Or

Splitting each banner 2 pulls a piece.

I don't have many dupes in here, so anything I snag will instantly help. Still searching for my first bsb.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 23, 2016, 01:54:30 PM
Don't forget Kain's SSB will come in banner 1 of Adult Rydia event, which -also- has Cecil's Excalibur. If you're aiming specifically for that on banner 1, I'd wait, since that FF4 banner is simply stupendous and it's only two and a half weeks away.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 23, 2016, 01:58:14 PM
Oh. Well that changes things. Hmm

Maybe I'll just drop 100 on banner 4 then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 23, 2016, 04:48:30 PM
Looking at y'alls banners, B4 once again is the real winner. B1 and B5 are both really good runners up, too.

Keeper's Tome, unfortunately, is on a banner with a lot of duds. Which is too bad, since how well it compacts your mitigation is just an amazing boon, and its reduction burst abilities are a very nice icing on that cake.

It's going to be really interesting on how much common RWs in Global deviate from those in JP jist because Keeper's Tome is on its own banner and isn't on Banner 4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 24, 2016, 01:01:41 AM
I want everything on Banner 4 except Sage Staff (already own) and Kogarasamaru (still decent for synergy). Definately the only thing I'll spend mythril on this celebration.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 24, 2016, 04:10:17 AM
Blah.  Cleared but didn't master Yunalesca: misread her medal conditions and didn't hit her with a magic break.  Which is just trolling, that doesn't even DO anything to her!  Worst designed fight in AGES though, she spams insta-cast offense that's immune to half of mitigation, amazingly dumb.  Whatever, I'll have to redo it because Major Power.

Did a rough clear of Jecht with a non-Cid's party.  I did just draw Auron's Riot Blade, and have long since had Tidus' Jecht Shot.  I don't have anything for Yuna, and Lulu's Focus is my other FFX SB, so... mmm.  Have Rikku sling around support dances (although I think I'd have to make some), run Yuna with Alexander/Curaja?  It's feesible at least, although on the whole it feels like a bad time.  Eh, I'll run it once or twice after Yunalesca is properly mastered and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 24, 2016, 04:24:34 AM
Ultimate Yunalesca beaten using Mage Meta, no real curveballs other than Terra using Silencega as her 2nd move, and Lulu swapping from Blizzaja (Go To Aja thanks to Ice Staff) to Waterja for obvious reasons.
The only thing notable was that I had to learn some timing thanks to the 3rd Phase often starting when my Mitigation starts to drop, so just wanted to time a Heavy Regen RW/Soul Break to kick off right after Hellbiter, which should be enough time to stop ST Holies (MT Holies hit regardless) and get Mitigation up until the next Hellbiter.  On the winning run, I realize IN HINDSIGHT "wait, why am I casting Sentinel Grimoire on turn 1?  She's completely neutered by Silence!"  Oh well.

Did the Cid Mission for BFA.  Initially went with Tidus, Yuna, Auron, Lulu and Rikku thanks to Soul Breaks.  Yuna runs Diaga, so Rikku covers Protectga with Envoloping Etude.  I screw up the initial run since I just did a Favorite setting and forgot Lulu's using Trash Clearing moves, oops!  In an attempt to redo it, I realize it's just easier to bring Braska, who can run Diaga for the Requirement, so I egg him up (and Rikku too for that matter, because why not get her to level 65?  She was already 63 granted), equip him with Bahamut and Diaga, and...proceed to fail miserably beacuse Jecht Beam.  Ok, I actually got very close with this set up (Divine Guardian RW if you're wondering), down to a pixel, and I would have taken a non-mastery win, as I would have just returned with an A Team of like Beatrix, Vaan and Ramza and ripped him apart but alas, Tidus was slow'd and couldn't get one last hit in.

So I realize I just need to stop Jecht Beam from hitting hard since losing Rikku halfway into the fight is ultimately what got me (seriously, if she acted one more time, I'd have won! Magic Pixels are a bitch), so I end up using the following set up in what is my winning run:

Tidus: R4 Magic Break, R4 Lifesiphon, A +20% Sword Damage RM (he has Slice and Dice Soul Break)
Yuna: R2 Protectga, R5 Curaja, Mako's Might (she has Hymn of the Fayth)
Auron: R3 Mirror of Equity, R3 Lifesiphon, a +20% Katana Damage RM (has Banishing Blade SSB)
Braska: R2 Shellga, R4 Diaga, Summoner's Prayer (he was equipped for Mind, as you'd expect, so Diaga was doing 9k+)
Rikku: R3 Dismissal, R2 Thief's Revenge, Dragoon's Determination (has Machina Sabotage SB)
RW: Divine Guardian

Magic Break covers one condition, Auron and Rikku Soul Breaks cover the other (also while neutering a lot of his damage in the 2nd half of the fight), Braska hits weakness, Yuna heals.  In addition to this, Mirror of Equity used since I didn't have Shout (wanted to RW it but didn't show up), and made sure it's buff was up before a Banishing Blade went off.  Rikku's spams Dismissals until her Soul Break gauge is in hopes it kicks in, after which she goes to Thief's Revenge because hey, now she has a boosted attack so why not maximize that damage?  Braska Spams Diaga after casting Shellga and otherwise nothing else.

Winning run had Braska dying late in the fight, but ultimately didn't matter.  2 Medal loss, both on damage, so yeah, I'm good.

So what to do now? Murder Ark some more, of course!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 24, 2016, 04:34:39 AM
Ultimates beaten as well. Yunalesca I fed to the Celes variant of my non-SSII A team and didn't even bother to Silence, full-medaled in spite of the mass Holy spam. Ultimate+ Braska's Final Aeon... well. Here's the setup:

L80 Yuna (R4 Diaga/R5 Alexander/Battleforged)
L80 Wakka (R4 Power Breakdown/R3 Full Break)
L80 Auron (R3 Full Charge/R2 Mirror of Equity)
L80 Tidus (R4 Dismissal/R5 Armor Break)
L71 Braska (R5 Curaja/R2 Protectga)

RW: Mighty Guard VIII (Quistis)

Yeah, I decided to run slugfesting Yuna to take advantage of Farplane Wind+Holy weakness. It paid off pretty big, Enholy'd Alexanders, for starters, shaved off 14k off Jecht's health pretty much no strings attached. I handed Braska that FFX Mage's Staff with a shared heal and it was enough to work things out. Auron post-Mirror of Equity shaved off about 17k a pop as well and I got pretty lucky with turn-cancelling procs (Tidus landed three of them!). Power Breakdown and Full Break were enough to keep Jecht's damage survivable and Mighty Guard also helped a bunch against Jecht Beam. His low HP Overdrive seriously hurts, but I had enough offense to kill him before things got out of control. I didn't even use Hymn of the Fayth in the end. If you have Auron's Banishing Blade SB, I really can't imagine having serious trouble against BFA if you stack your breakdowns right. Lost one medal on damage, first-try mastery. First Cid's Mission was a success.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 24, 2016, 10:12:16 AM
I'm kind of embarrassed to say that Yunalesca took me three failures before I stopped bringing gimmick parties and just brought something to kill her with.


Cid Mission + Mastery Party:
Tidus L79 - Dismissal R4/Power Break R4 - Pride of the Red Wings
Yuna L75 - Curaja R5/Protectga R2 - Knight's Charge (Hymn)
Auron L78 - Armor Break R4/Yukikaze R4 - Heroic Stance
Wakka L78 - Full Break R2/Magic Breakdown R3 - Secrets of the Qu
Braska L79 - Shellga R2/Diaga R5 - Healer's Prayer II
RW: Shout

Braska was shooting off 9K Diagas, sometimes getting 18K in a turn.  Tried the fight with DG once, didn't work.  I *needed* Shout to have the offense to kill BFA before it killed me.  Only two I had SBs for anyway was Yuna (who I used twice) and Braska (who didn't get to use his at all.  Granted, unless I had set him up for MAG and given him Devotion, he still would've only had the 6-hit version of Aeons of Wing and Flame.  The breakpoints for that SSB are way too high) and the rest just did whatever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 24, 2016, 12:35:03 PM
OSB fest in Japan announced.  Terra, Vaan, Bartz, Hope, and Tyro get OSBs, with a reissue of Tidus'.  In addition, some new BSBs on these banners too, like Agrias, Edge, and Warrior of Light.

The OSBs are about what you expect; Terra gets Fire/Non Magic, Hope gets Holy/Non Magic, Bartz gets 4 elements because they seem obsessed with that aspect of his EX Burst from Dissidia lately, Tyro gets MT Atk/Def/Res/Mag up (probably +15% since it says "small") which I can only assume stacks with everything, on top of doing damage (non-elemental), Vaan gets the most interesting in that it does increased damage based on # of breaks applied to the enemy.  I assume it checks based off "is this stat lowered?" and not individual break values.

To compliment Vaan's further, they created Mind Break (Combat 3) and Mind Breakdown (Support 4)...outside of Holy, and the rare healing spell, not sure where that'd be useful so I feel like it was made specifically FOR Vaan.

New BSBs, nothing too elaborate at least for the entry attack; Warrior of Light gets a variant of Cecil's, Agrias gets Imperil Holy instead of En-Holy, and Edge gets an En-Water one.

New 5* Summon which is Dark elemental in Ultima Weapon.  Points for...different?  I think it's based off the FF10 one which would be weird since that's the most unmemorable by far; should have been the FF14 one because he has his own theme song!  Silliness aside, the decision of a Dark Elemental 5* sounds cool, and making Ultima Weapon a summon is thinking outside the box a bit, so yeah, cool stuff.
-Also a +35 Magic 6* Accessory.  Was wondering when those would show up!

Though with the 5* Summon being Dark Elemental, it makes me question what the 2nd 6* is going to be; I figured Anima as a Dark elemental attack, but that strikes me as not likely now. 


Also Ovelia gets her Record Sphere, because "Why not" apparently.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 25, 2016, 10:06:37 AM
http://i.imgur.com/N3FJAG0.jpg

The waifu pull is real.

Also now I have Terra's Enfire SSB, her kinda lame BSSB, and her OSB, giving her +30 MAG and is by far my best single character in a vacuum.

I am OK with this.

Anyway, mulling over what banner to do my second (and last) 11 pull should be. Kinda want Krile's hastega for mage parties but pulling for one item on a banner is dumb. Mm. We'll see.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 25, 2016, 11:45:23 AM
Pity you didn't get Maduin's Horn from the Tyro's banner to allow for a +40 Magic (the SSB itself is obviously useless now that you have her OSB)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 25, 2016, 12:52:23 PM
Looking at my mythril-farming plans for the fest, I'm farther along with core dungeons than I realized -- just 18 more classics to clear out, and then a bunch of elites that will be annoying because of level 110+ trash. I'll still easily hit 400 before the end of the fest, but 450 (my original target) looks less likely. I'll live.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 25, 2016, 03:04:38 PM
Oh wow, Terra OSB is 40x multiplier. That's a huge improvement over the 18x mage SSBs and BSB.

DeNA finally made a pure damage mage SB worth the hype.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 25, 2016, 04:44:45 PM
Jesus christ, I'm impressed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 25, 2016, 06:05:09 PM
As a reminder, Fighter OSBs (thus far) have been 12x damage, which is a 50% increase compared to the 8x damage physical SSBs.

That said, did some math crafting and Terra using Wrath x2 -> OSB does 13.3x damage over the course of 3 turns.  By contrast, Spamming Chain Firaga does 11.8x per turn.  So yes, it is strong enough to justify just building up gauge and using Burst damage.

Toss in something like Meltdown or Bahamut so she can do something on Turns where she's "ALMOST" got gauge and yeah, that's some pretty high DPS.

Additionally, if we assume Wrath x4 -> Fire Beam -> Trance Meltdown*, that's 86.1x damage over 6 turns, or 14.35x damage per turn.  For a comparison, Meltdown is 14.7x damage over 3 hits, and that's hard as sin to hone to boot.

*I don't care if it's called "Burning Flame", it's literally her using Meltdown from Dissidia after going Esper, so damn it, that's what I'm calling it!

Basically, if you only her OSB, she can do better than Chain -aga level damage per turn using just Wrath, which is only a 4* skill.  If you have both her Tiara and her Blood Sword, that's 6* level damage per turn, albeit takes time to set up and assumes she takes a few hits in the process since Wrath x2 is only 360 gauge; granted, Ace Strike boosts that to 540, but that means no damage boosting).  So she can do ridiculous damage and still have a free slot for some other skill, like Meltdown, an extra Breakdown, Dispel, etc.



Generally speaking, it's also worth noting this is the first time Mage Soul Breaks have been comparable to Physical Soul Breaks in terms of Command to Soul Break ratio.  Just a general comparison (only using Single Target for simplicity):

Physicals (using Spellblades for reference):
3*: 1.8
4*: 2.1
5*: 3
6*: 4.2~

Unique SB ST (modern): 5.1~ (Blazing Rush, which is the basically the "standard" for this tier of Soul Break)
SSBs ST: 8~ (Blasting Zone for reference)
BSB ST Commands: 2.4~
OSBs: 12

Uniques are roughly 3x that of a 3* skill, SSBs are 4x that of a 4* and OSBs follow suit.   The jump from Unique to SSB is not just a case of SSBs being really strong, but also physical progression being much slower.  Worth noting that SSBs are only 2.5x that of a 5*.  OSBs are just below 3x of a 6*, and 4x that of a 5*.


Magic:
Aga: 4.9
Aja: 9
Chain -aga: 11.8
Meltdown: 14.7

Unique SB: 9~ to 12~ (Angel Wing Bolt is 9x while Nightglow is 11.2x)
SSBs: 18~
BSB Commands: 10.4~
OSBs: 40~

Uniques range 1.8 to 2.4x that of an Aga, which is a notable increase, but nowhere near that of a Physical vs. a corresponding unique.  An SSB is double an Aja, way lower than the physicals "near 4x" comparison, and is about 50% stronger than a Chain -aga, which again, nowhere near the 2.5x that physicals had.  OSBs?  Have the same 4x that of 5* that a physical has, and the same "almost triple a 6*" aspect.

I think they finally realized that the Mults of Soul Breaks need to be proportional for Mages to keep up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 25, 2016, 11:16:16 PM
I'm so very tempted to pull on Banner 3, just because of Red's Comb and Tyro's BSB...  Banner 4 for Bartz's BSB/Edea Hat, Banner 5 for Terra's BSB/Agrias Shield/Balthier SSB...  Banners 1 and 2 also have some interesting stuff (like Tidus's BSB and Celes's SSB) Aad I only have 190 Mithril.

I also need to consider pulls for other stuff.

Guys, this might be a problem for me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 26, 2016, 02:11:02 AM
100 Gem Pull, time to get rekt-*Heroic Scarf* ...that'll do.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 26, 2016, 02:17:13 AM
My 100 gem pull was an FF5 Rune Axe, which was actually handy because now I have it combined to ++ to make three relic-caliber melee weapons for FF5 (that, Thor Hammer, and 6* Genji Blade).

Unfortunately, it was all downhill from there. Two 11x pulls, one Al Bhed Jumper.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 26, 2016, 03:30:59 AM
Kefka beaten.  At first I went in Cid Mission style because hey why not? What could go wr-*Counter Slave Crown* ...oh, he's anti-physical, well then!

So I reset, go in with Mage Meta, swapping out Tyro for Mog because he has a new toy, and can hurl Diaga anyway for the condition, and proceed to win with ease.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 26, 2016, 03:35:57 AM
My Mage Meta attempt was an utter failure, then I swapped Terra for Agrias with Banishing Blade + Saint's Cross and demolished him.  Either Slave Crown has a low chance to kick in or all my relic luck went into only seeing it once.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 26, 2016, 03:56:54 AM
Burst Banner 1: Kefka's Hastega and Gordon's Flame Shield (Heroic Harmony clone and Flame Resist as a stat blob). Could be worse. Honestly the fact that I didn't get a duplicate of any of the stuff I already had on this banner is kinda surprising. Pecil's BSB will come around again soon so not gonna do more than one pull here.

The plan is to only pull on Tidus' and Terra's banners from here (two BSBs each plus favorite characters). I'll do the hundred-gem pulls for Tyro and Bartz but not really expecting anything worthwhile there.

Really hoping that the guaranteed 5* thing comes to Global, because after this fest I might not be pulling on anything until that's supposed to get implemented (only 4 months out?)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: MC50 on June 26, 2016, 07:31:28 AM
Still playing this - ended up doing an 11 pull, and it turned out really well - Kefka's Cloak, Mog Scarf, and Cecil's Excalibur.

Does anyone here still use my Advance RW? It's obviously fallen out of favor, but I do have some other options - like Cecil's burst, or Hand of the Emperor. But if it's still being used, I'll leave it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 26, 2016, 09:36:57 AM
Okay so this was funny.

Kefka at least felt a lot more like the Garland/Velius tier of Ultimate than the real deals: SUPER fragile mostly.  Went with an oddball set since I was forewarned you wanted to Mage at him:

Terra (Maduin/Alexander, Blood of the Summoner, Trance Fira)
Rydia (Bizzaja/Thundaja, Blood of the Espers, Odin)
Vanille (Diaga/Holy, Battleforged, Miracle Prayer)
Lulu (Waterja/Meteor, Mako Might, Focus)
Mog (Multibreak/Curaja, Dr. Mogs, Heroic Harmony)
RW: Mighty Guard VIII

So yeah, complete non-threat offensively overall.  But the funny bit was Terra.  Alexander did 5000x2 at base, and 7500x2 under Focus.  Alexander is R3, with one shot going off before Focus.  Except Blood of the Summoners kicked in on the firsts cast.  And the third.  and the first cast of Maduin.  So yeah Terra accounted for something like 75,000 damage over four turns because the RNG decided she deserved it today.  Kefka didn't even live long enough for Rydia to charge up an Odin casting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 26, 2016, 11:16:03 AM
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Does anyone here still use my Advance RW? It's obviously fallen out of favor, but I do have some other options - like Cecil's burst, or Hand of the Emperor. But if it's still being used, I'll leave it.

Both would be way better than Advance these days.  Advance was really just big during the days where Retaliate Meta reigned supreme, but Retaliate has clearly fallen off a lot, being now just a gimmicky set up good for specific fights (particularly Drawtaliate).


Magitek Infusion could be good for an RW as well since it's a Hastega and Mage Teams really want the effect.  Likewise, Heroic Harmony is a pseudo-Wall, so also worth considering since that's always good for damage mitigation (especially if someone already has Wall)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on June 27, 2016, 02:07:03 AM
Zero 5 stars.

I'm doing this wrong.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 27, 2016, 11:33:01 AM
Was going to Mage Meta Odin until I saw that pesky "Cancel Action" requirement, so said screw it, brought in a more conventional team of Terra, Auron, Zack, Vanille and Mog.  Mog debuffs and casts (useless) Diagas, Terra nukes, Auron Drawtaliates, Zack mostly exists for his 100% Stun Soul Break, and Vanille Heals.  Not much else to say.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 27, 2016, 12:46:04 PM
Outside the cancel condition, Odin is pretty vanilla. I brought Edge with his 100% stun SB for the fight, but Dismissal procced before he even had the gauge to use it, so whatever. Gilgamesh for spoiling Flourish of Steel, SG RW, Lightning for loldamage, Cait Sith for healing and lolstackable breakdowns and Ramza for lolloudmode.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 27, 2016, 01:43:14 PM
So I decided I should finally beat a nightmare dungeon, and crafted Meltdown. I'm actually not too far off from being able to hone it, Black Crystals aside! I should have R2 Meltdown in a couple months, assuming DeNA doesn't decide to be stingy with black crystals (I actually already meet the Earth/Fire reqs)... or will after I get off my butt and clear out the remaining Abyss dungeons I've been putting off since 6*s really aren't worth the effort... without the right accompanying SBs, hence getting Meltdown.

And Meeple's post actually convinced me to hone Wrath to R5, so any time I use Terra I can feasibly use Meltdown as well since I can eventually use her BSSB as a last resort if I run out of skill charges.

Also, DJ asked me to play multiplayer Sunday but I was too fucking hungover and kept passing out (actually still barely able to keep down food two days later, dumb dumb dumb Zenny), so I just cleared out the MP dungeons solo. Angry Terra featured pretty heavily. It nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 27, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
With enough mitigation and High Regen, Flourish of Steel just means Odin distributes four hits' worth of SB gauge for the price of one.

Anyway, I still needed a second try on him because did you know that if you deal the fatal blow with 00 on the Doom counter you can die before the boss does? True fact.

(On the next try I stopped being a moron and remembered to equip Lightning with the Kaiser Shield, and won with 15 ticks to spare)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 27, 2016, 02:17:04 PM
With enough mitigation and High Regen, Flourish of Steel just means Odin distributes four hits' worth of SB gauge for the price of one.

It's actually not a bad idea to run just Draw Fire on Gilgamesh if you have a decent SB for him due to that if you want more DPS over the second skill slot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 27, 2016, 07:09:39 PM
Farming Mondaily because I lost control of my life and for some reason those are hilariously generous on Gysahls for me. I'm nearing 50k at long last. Tomorrow we also get the second FF14 event, which, if nothing else, will net me Y'shtola's MC2 so I can stop feeling embarrassed about her durability when running her against Ultimates. Granted, I feel more and more inclined to stop running SSII/SG entirely on those now that I can stack breakdowns past Full Break+Breakdown level. I'm actually more excited about Cait Sith's MC2 next week than Y'shtola's tomorrow due to that. Figures the goddamn cat would be an A team-worthy addition.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 27, 2016, 10:52:20 PM
Instead of grinding ark, I've been doing Mondaily too, but I should be finishing the last storyline dungeon I have but meh, I want some Gysahl Greens.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 28, 2016, 02:32:49 AM
Banner 2 is here time for waifu pull. Three 11x pulls because I have no self control when it comes to FFX characters. Two Yuna SSB sticks, three Edge katana that are going to be useless when I whale on the upcoming FF4 banner soon anyway, a Penelo SSB that would have been super fucking useful during the White nightmare but now if just kinda a cute novelty, Sazh's Hastega for FF13 Cid's missions (actually really wanted this), and with my final pull I am now Razzmatazzin' all day erra day and I'm gonna go wipe the floor with the current annoying Cid's Mission.

Yeah, got 8/33 on this banner. That means I'm probably done with Burst fest. I might do one more pull on Terra because waifu but honestly the main thing I wanted was Tidus's super good enwater Burst.

Only two more Bursts until I can run a full Burst team!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 28, 2016, 02:51:53 AM
Meanwhile, I did a 100 Gem pull and got the legendary 3* WHITE DRESS!!!!

...which is to say, yes, I got rekt.


Anyway, Golbez beaten, full medal'd with the following team (only synergy was the FF4 Twinstars accessory, and an Ice Rod++ on Lulu)

Terra: R5 Firaja, R4 Magic Breakdown, Devotion, blows things up with missiles so she doesn't have to see the mayhem below
Kuja: R3 Memento Mori, R2 Dark Zone, Dark Fate, throws his black balls at things
Lulu: R4 Thundaja, R4 Blizzaja, Mako's Might, manages to Focus despite Kuja ranting about how magnificent his black balls are
Yuna: R5 Curaja, R2 Shellga, Knight's Charge, Is too busy singing the Hymn to notice Kuja's Black Balls
Mog: R4 Diaga, R2 Multibreak, Dr. Mog's Teachings, mocks Kuja's black balls with a nice Heroic Harmony
RW: Divine Guardian

Pretty straight forward really, Mog's Diaga was basically just there to a hit a condition, otherwise damage was bad.  I was surprised I full Medal'd it since at 20% health, he Binding Cold'd the 3 girls, so it was Kuja and his black balls and Mog's useless 3k damage diagas only for a while.  Amusingly enough, Kuja died a mere 2 actions before Lulu got the finishing blow (Terra Magic Breakdown'd him right before just in case), despite that last part, as a result of Memento Mori.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 28, 2016, 03:55:10 AM
Rekt on the 100 gem draw, Golbez was a joke since three of my top four DPS chars are knights and I run a two white mage setup. More holy weak ultimates plz.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on June 28, 2016, 04:03:04 AM
Man, I actually got 9500 damage Diagas with a Sage Staff++ on Golbez. It's been ages since I've seen an event boss take that much damage from a white mage. That easily made up for the fact that my FF4 melee weapons consisted of two 4++ daggers and little else.

Yunalesca was way harder this time around, Jecht was pretty easy considering I rely so heavily on holy damage anyways, Kefka and Odin were pretty much warmups as far as Big Bridge bosses go (the RNG-dependent interrupt condition was probably the hardest part of that fight). Neo Bahamut on the other hand was more interesting, as my two summoner relics (Keepsake Ribbon and Hope SSB) were basically useless for the fight except for stat sticks. Winning team:

(http://i.imgur.com/yRSEqNLh.png)

(Had an L80 Garnet RW for the actual winning run, just grabbed a lower level one for the team photo)

I only had 1-2 more shots of damage across my entire team at the end of the battle, so this is pretty close to the minimum damage necessary to win the fight. Pretty happy about the hones on this setup; Ixion and Alexander are the only things I specifically honed for Neo Bahamut, and I'm quite sure I'll get usage out of both in the future, so they won't be wastes.

I can't believe there are people in this world who think Yda or Thancred's SSBs is a more valuable item than Thyrus.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 28, 2016, 05:10:17 AM
Between the 100-Gem and an 11-pull, I got one thing.

A second copy of Sabin's Boostga glove.

Bah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 28, 2016, 11:46:50 AM
With my shiny new Tidus Burst, Cid-Mission Jecht was a (relative) pushover. Luckily I didn't need to get mastery again for the Mission. Yuna w/ Hymn and a 6* synergy SSB weapon (though never used the SSB) was healing like crazy. Tidus and Auron did all the damage, though Auron wasn't really contributing that much (using his first SB Katana). Wakka and Rikku were... there. Shared Shellga SB on Rikku at least saw some use. Used SG as my RW, but I was originally gonna try a Shout RW so that all those physical guys were actually contributing...

Only Yuna died -right- at the end. Could have gotten mastery if anyone in FFX could use Banishing Strike... >.>;;
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 29, 2016, 02:18:44 AM
Big Bridge Yunalesca (non-Ultimate version) has a neat trick to spoil your run now -- Hellbiter isn't perfect accuracy, so you can be left open to Mega Death from a "lucky" dodge. Wheeeeeee!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 29, 2016, 03:20:58 AM
It wasn't in the first Ultimate version we had either! Avoid those pumpkins.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 29, 2016, 03:47:55 AM
4 Elemental Guardians event -

Vilimangardia got wrecked by Terra, Bartz, Tyro, and Tidus all weilding fire attacks. That Freezing Dust counter was kinda brutal but at least Relm always came out of Stop immediately, so my healing wasn't really effected.

Doing the Lich boss next. He is weak to wind and Meltdown is Wind elemental, so I guess I will use this opportunity to see if it is boosted by Enflame even if it's acting as Wind elemental.

Either way, two OSBs will handle him just fine. Tidus is so lucky that he got RD Spellblade 3. Now that he can hit elemental weaknesses he is kinda too fucking good for me to spite ignore. Bluh bluh huge bitch.

Also, looking ahead at the OSB banners I am underwhelmed. I should have pulled on OK's absurd BSB once more but oh well, hindsight and all. I'll wait for the FF8 banners to drop and make a pull then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 29, 2016, 05:23:41 AM
From what I understand, Meltdown won't be boosted by En-Fire if it's hitting Wind or Earth weakness.  The game will read the attack as "1.5x Fire damage, 2x Wind damage, 1x Earth damage" and just takes whatever the highest multiplier is, rather than stack them.

That said, Yunalesca defeated...again...because we totally didn't just beat her last week!

Had to do two attempts, mostly because like an idiot I charged in guns blazing...without Protectga, forgetting she's primarily physical.  Oops.  2nd time, went in with Protectga, dropped Shellga since between Focus and Sentinel Grimoire, figured that's be enough.  MT Holy still hit for 4 digits, but the winning run had her NOT spamming it like she did on a few failed attempts, so it's all good.

Team was typical Mage Meta, Tyro running Mental Breakdown + Full Break, and Terra using Silencega instead of Magic Breakdown.  Standard stuff otherwise.


FF14 event, finished Part 1 which is a repeat of everything before, I'm excited for Part 2 and...
*Thousand Bores of Toto-Rak*
...oh screw you too, game...

To be clear, there's nothing wrong with the dungeon in RK, it's just anyone whose played FF14 knows Toto-rak is a pile of shit and boring as fuck and is the big "Fuck you" for leveling Roulettes, at least until you hit level 49 and Aurum Vale opens up
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 29, 2016, 12:53:52 PM
That makes sense programming wise, but I still want to test to verify. It's not like any content is hard for me anymore, anyway, except for Cid's Missions in my weaker realms, so I may as well be doing verification science.

In other news, they just released a Tanabata twitter campaign but I can't flag you guys down to participate because you have to do it from the app itself. Laaaaaaaaaame.

Plus side, you DO get a free stamina refresh for tweeting, so I imagine the 200,000 tweet goal will be reached anyway. Still.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 29, 2016, 01:45:14 PM
Vaan's OSB mults finally announced.  Sounds like it ranges from 11x to 14x based off stats broken, increasing by 50% for each one, and gets a 100% if all 5 are broken (probably because Mind Break is a lot more limited?)  That seems alright, as I was worried they were going to be absurd from the outset with Powercreep or some such, but this?  On average stronger than your standard OSBs (if you can't get at least 3 stats broken on meaningful content...), but it lacks any elemental quirks that others can take advantage of, so it has obvious limitations.

Squall's OSB is, as expected, an Ice elemental one.  Rinoa seems to be getting one too which is Earth elemental and I imagine it's identical to Terra's otherwise (being Earth though makes it clearly worse.)

Also new MC3s, this one seems to have...no logical pattern for who gets it! Garland, Leon, Kain, Krile, Sabin, Zack, Zell, Beatrix, Auron, Basch, Hope, Thancred and Delita.  Yeah, an FF3 character got skipped but I'm sure that's related to how Onion Knight was released with his MC3, thus they already had 3 characters (...then again, doesn't FF2 have 4 now because Leila got hers in the last batch alongside Maria?)


LASTLY: Yodaru, the guy who does these weird RK challenges like Naked Mages and such, just posted a video of beating Fragment Ifrit where his ONLY source of damage was Terra's OSB.  Its pretty impressive really.


EDIT: Weekly rewards are up.  Black/Lightning/Dark for the Major Orbs...well, that's 31k Greens down the drain for me!  Also another unexpected apology mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 29, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
Irvine has the first Full Break+ ability, hitting ATK/MAG/RES/DEF/MND on a new ID that stacks with every other break ever. IRVINE MASTER RACE
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 29, 2016, 07:05:25 PM
Just beat Titan, still gotta go back and beat the difficulty 99 dungeon of the event because I failed to master it since she decided to paralyze Ingus then nuke him before Magic Breakdown could get her, thereby killing Ingus and that led to another character's death since my DPS was down and oh look 7 Medal Loss in that fight.

I have to say that while the first batch of FF14 bosses actually felt like good adjustments, this...did not.  They just said "lots of adds, that's what the bosses were like right?"  The Void Lamps SHOULD have been handled that "hit them once to turn them off" rather than do damage, since that's closer to the gimmick in FF14.  Toto-rak's boss is similarly stupid because I don't even remember moves like that...then again, he's a face-roll fight in FF14. 

And Titan...was about as generic as you can get.  His only gimmick the entire fight is "DPS race part way in!"  To be fair, Titan is not someone that you can actually transfer since it's all about positioning, so I can let that slide somewhat. 

NOW TO FRUITLESSLY PREDICT GARUDA'S FIGHT!

It's going to have 2 Rocks out, and she's going to create Feathers that attack it.  The state of the rocks will indicate the damage she deals with her Tornado moves, so you need to kill her feathers fast before they destroy the rocks.  This is probably the closest you'll get to actually capturing Garuda's fight, and I hope they do something like that rather than just make her big tornado move a scripted attack with nothing special like they did with Titan's gimmick.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on June 30, 2016, 02:37:47 AM
Too busy farming Wind orbs to do the current bridge dungeons. Decided to do a 11 pull on banner 3 because I had the mythril and literally the only duplicate relic on there is Yuna's lullaby rod.

Three shiny rainbow orbs! All Lullaby Rods. Grumble.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 30, 2016, 02:40:08 AM
100 Gem Pull and I actually got a rainbow!

...unfortunately it was Aerith's Keepsake Ribbon.  Before you say "How can you complain about that!?" remember that I have Platinum Sword already, and more than enough FF7 Synergy, so it's not really meaningful for me.

...better than a 3* I guess, and probably good for Mage Meta in FF7 Realms.


On a different note, thinking of getting rid of my FF6 oath Veil.  It's a mage equip that boosts Wind damage making it good for...Ninjas and basically nothing else.  I thought it'd be good for Meltdown but nope, only +Fire boosts that (and I have the Red Armlet from FF10 anyway.)  So unless there's a legitimate reason to seriously care about Oath Veil + Gust on a Ninja, not seeing pressing reason to hold onto it.  And for raw stats, not meaningful considering my FF6 synergy (...and my Cat-Ear Hoods...)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 30, 2016, 08:54:09 AM
FF8 banners are out. Quistis' hastega is on Banner 2, and overall the relics look slightly better on B2 than on B1, so I guess I'll pull on that.

Waifu pulling for Agrias' BSB is so tempting but it's also the only thing I want on that banner, while almost everything on either FF8 banner would flesh out my options and help out with Cid's missions. Alas.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on June 30, 2016, 01:45:22 PM
Spent the evening playing Multiplayer with DJ and his boyfriend.

This is so fun I am sorely, sorely, SORELY tempted to start a global account just so I can play this with y'all.

Fuck my life.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 30, 2016, 02:19:28 PM
Adel beaten.  First tried Mage Meta, but her res was too high, so I instead went in Cid Mission style thinking "hey, Seifer's Bloodfest is perfect for this!" but no, that didn't work either.

Said screw it, and went in with Ramza, Rinoa, Tyro, Beatrix and Yuna and crushed her with Shout Seiken Shocks.  Only brought Rinoa because of the Summon req and she had a synergy weapon unlike other Summoners here. 

Amusingly, when trying to figure out my 5th, I was thinking stuff like "maybe Auron?" until I saw Beatrix and realized just how perfect she was (Magic Blink on a physical SSB, form a character who has Knight 5)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 30, 2016, 02:36:06 PM
Wait six months, Zenny.

Anyhow, Adel landed once again and I went mage meta -once again-, only this time even more broken because my toy box for it seriously improved in general and for FF8. Ran Cait Sith, Edea, Rinoa, Quistis and Arc with a Lulu Focus RW. Cait ran Multibreak + Heathen Frolic Saraband and Toy Soldier, Edea ran MM/DZ combo with Inaugural Parade, Rinoa went Valduin + The Brothers, Quistis ran Firaja + Mental Breakdown with MG8 and Arc ran Curaja + Dispel with Soothing Light. Stacking debuffs and lesser buffs is -ridiculous-, Adel's Ultima was dealing 700-800 damage under Shellga + Focus + Toy Soldier + FB + Soothing Light + MBD, which is less than she did back when she was Laguna's Ultimate under SG + Focus + FB + MBD + Shellga. Rinoa was scoring 18k per Valduin cast once Inaugural Parade, Multibreak and Mental Breakdown were in place and she could break 12k even when Adel was under Shellga. Shedding nearly 50k a round off Adel's HP pretty much melted her away. Not having to run SG/SSII -at all- is pretty cool. Only five more days until mogcat's MC2, dammit.

Also currently routing FF14's event, picked up Yda and Papalymo MCs. One nice thing about this is the music, which is great. FF14's story dungeon main hall also got updated to play Torn From the Heavens instead of the generic FF main theme, which is cool beans.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 01, 2016, 01:18:49 AM
Well actually if Zenny wants to do the Multiplayer with all of the DL peeps, he'd probably better start an account now so he can actually clear content by the time it shows up in Global...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on July 01, 2016, 02:08:34 AM
On the other hand, it might not be a terrible idea to wait until we get confirmation that multiplayer actually will arrive in global before starting an account.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on July 01, 2016, 02:24:26 AM
dear dena
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 01, 2016, 03:07:33 AM
Bahamut Sin Down.  Mage Meta'd him using usual stuff, only Lulu was using Waterja instead of Drainga because condition (albeit, Terra COULD have fulfilled that using Trance Flood but this was easier), Tyro went Multibreak instead of Full Break beacuse Shadow Creepers, and Phantasm so he can go in back row and it's a fast move.

And I full Medal'd it on my first attempt.  That felt really cathartic after the AC Event bullshit, even though this was toned down a lot.  A notable thing was my only physical mitigation was Sentinel Grimoire and Multibreak, and he and the creepers were doing maybe 600 damage at best with physicals, to the point where Heavy Regen from Divine Guardian RW or Hymn of the Fayth actually dealt with a lot of the problems.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on July 02, 2016, 02:06:51 AM
100 mythril = 2 Ragnaroks, 1 Yoichi's Bow, 1 Al Bhed Jumper

I am going to fucking destroy the next FF5 event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 02, 2016, 02:09:24 AM
Welcome to the Bartz Klauser fanclub.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 02, 2016, 02:09:46 AM
50 mythril: Yoichi's Bow, Platinum Shield, FUCKING RAGNAROK. Everything I wanted from the banner except Platinum Sword. Now I just have to decide how much of the 200 that I originally budgeted for this banner I can afford to spend chasing Shout.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 02, 2016, 02:21:19 AM
All of it. Shout and Ragnarok will literally get you through every event easily for the next 6 months.  Not having shout despite having really good relics otherwise was the nail in the coffin for the handful of bosses I didn't beat until much later.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 02, 2016, 03:02:16 AM
Gilgamesh Beaten, used Mage Meta again.  Had one reset as a result of Enkidu coming and not properly being prepared for Gilgamesh's MT Gravity Move + MT Aerora.  The reset in question just had me time it so Tyro would Multibreak when Enikdu popped up, then burned him down fast.  This fight also involved Bahamuts and Meteors. 

Also after considering getting rid of Oath Veil...I end up using it in this fight because Gust to hit wind weakness.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on July 02, 2016, 04:13:18 AM
Dollar pull on banner 4 netted Sorceress' Crown, which is neat since it opens up mage meta in a realistic way to me again.  I really want to pull on the banner anyway because with that I now have... one item on the banner, and everything there fills a niche (good FFV SBs, FUCKIN' SHOUT WHOOOO, my first Holy boost gear, or another FFXII melee weapon), 'cept I'm sitting at 42 mythril after clearing the basic Gilgamesh fight.  So barring another gift I'm only going to have 45 come Sunday.  Boooo.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 02, 2016, 05:11:57 AM
2x11 Pulls on Banner 4, as allotted. I need some updated FFV gear!
First pull: Only 1 rainbow... Sage's Staff (V)! Hey, that's FFV gear at least! Couldn't hurt to have more Hymn of the Fayth clones?
Second pull: Edea's Crown! (Now I can make a 7* one or have 3 FF8 mage hats for Ifrit?) ...and Bartz's Ragnarok omfg!

Seriously I am having some crazy-good luck...

The eventually goal was to get 5 Burst SBs and try an all-burst team, and I am currently sitting at 4 bursts. True, they are all just damage bursts and 3/4 are on Spellblades fighting over the same skills so we'll have to see if that's workable but it's a fun-sounding idea in theory.
Squall/Lightning/Tidus/Bartz/Tyro could probably clear more Ultimates than not though. Gonna try it out for the two new Big Bridge bosses I haven't done yet!

I wish they'd release some healer bursts soon...

JP: Got Rinoa's BSB on the Squall banner. Really hoped for Zell's BSB because it looks fucking hilarious. Still no OSBs for Djinn~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on July 02, 2016, 08:16:05 AM
100 mythril for one Genji Blade, woo-hoo
Welcome back Gilgamesh
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 02, 2016, 12:25:47 PM
11-pull 2: Vaan's katana.
11-pull 3: Second Yoichi's Bow, THREE Platinum Shields. I'd be more annoyed about that if I didn't have so many knight SBs.

I think that's where I stop on banner 4, and put the rest of my stash into pulling for SG.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 02, 2016, 03:24:56 PM
After mulling over in my head and deciding I'm really into Mage Meta and Edea's Crown is exactly what I'd need (for all that Edward's is better down the line, but he's harder to fit in), and I want Basch's Platinum shield too, I decide to do a single 11 pull on this banner.

(http://i.imgur.com/bogLigb.png)

...well, can't complain about that pull.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 02, 2016, 04:39:30 PM
U+ Gilgamesh was easily the toughest Big Bridge boss,  thanks mainly to Enkidu. Goddamn Berserk nonsense. Faris' AOE double break came in very handy, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 02, 2016, 05:06:35 PM
Yeah, Gilgamesh was a dick. He kept paralyzing my Esuna-user or Berserking my healer or ITD damage-focusing on a single character. I had like 6 resets and finally just said 'fuck it' and let one of my DPS guys die half-way through the fight instead of resetting so my healing could keep up. Weird fight - trying to keep 5 people alive was much harder than 4. Still full-medaled it, but I wanted all my guys to get that sweet sweet EXP...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 02, 2016, 05:16:50 PM
Even in my winning run he managed to kill Eiko, but Enkidu was already down and Zantetsuken doesn't actually need active healing to deal with when you can stack three attack breaks on him (and have a high regen SB).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on July 02, 2016, 09:28:39 PM
Decided I was impatient and odds or there wouldn't be 5 miracle mythril by tomorrow afternoon, tossed two three pulls at banner 4.  First dropped Vaan's Kogarasumaru and Lena's Princess' Favor, second had nothing.  Probably the weakest draw without repeats I could do on that set but hey, still way too good to complain about.  Also means that I have two rods and a staff in FFV now and katanas in four different realms so hey, good haul even if it's not any of the real money there.

Heck, I think it's also my first native heavy regen.  Also my second Vaan SB, pity he probably won't even crack top 5 in FFXII for me right now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 03, 2016, 12:15:05 AM
U+ Gilgamesh was easily the toughest Big Bridge boss,  thanks mainly to Enkidu. Goddamn Berserk nonsense. Faris' AOE double break came in very handy, though.

Yeah, Gilgy's -real- threat lies in the gravity damage and Death Claw spamming. Enkidu, however, is threatening both offensively and due to fucking Berserk. Took me four S/Ls until I had a run in which Aerith wasn't (a) dead; (b) paralyzed; or (c) berserked by the time Enkidu bit it. I should've brought Shellga instead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on July 03, 2016, 01:17:59 AM
100 mithril.

Edeas crown.

...

Honestly?

Better than nothing. Ah well!

Finally a mage meta item.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 03, 2016, 04:56:47 AM
All 4 fights beaten!  Ok, the first GIlgamesh fight doesn't really count, it's just there for a formality.

I Mage Meta'd all 3.  Here's what I used for each!

Ifrit EX:
Terra: R4 Waterja, R4 Magic Breakdown, Devotion
Edea: R2 Darkzone, R3 Memento Mori, Ace Striker
Lulu: R3 Meteor, R4 Blizzaja, Mako's Might
Yuna: R2 shellga, R5 Curaja, Knight's Charge
Tyro: R3 Full Break, R3 Mental Breakdown, Dr. Mog's Teachings
RW: Divine Guardian

Normally, Terra uses R5 Firaja w/ the Fire Armlet, but just in case he resisted Fire (despite FF14 Ifrit not doing so), and this fight takes 60 Stamina, didn't want to take chances, so went safe.  Edea replaces Kuja thanks to her new toy, and yeah, you can pretty much see how things are here, and my team's manliness goes up by 1 despite it now being a legitimate Tyro's Harem.  Everything else is straight forward otherwise.  Lulu uses Blizzaja thanks to the FF9 Ice Staff making it the strongest spell she can use if you're wondering (despite the slightly lower magic), and Meteor is there to hit the nail.

Fight went by smoothly; the only thing of note is I realize Edea might want Darkzone R3, so I craft that after this, having the resources to do so.


Titan EX:  Basically the same set up as above, only Terra goes back to R5 Firaja.  Also notable that in this fight and the previous, Tyro and Yuna were equipped with elemental resistance.  Didn't seem to make much of a difference since survivability was not an issue.

...except in one instance where I didn't kill the Heart and took like 5k damage when my mitigation was down outside of Tyro/Yuna who resisted it.  I mean, make no mistake, that's an S/L either way, but still, OW!   Anyway, the tough thing here is that my buffs would wear down as the heart would come up, and I'd waste precious time reapplying them.  So I needed to basically get it that the heart appears after Edea uses Inargual Parade, and Lulu uses her 2nd Focus.  Terra will also have a full gauge, so I want to make the most of that.  At first I try using Memento Mori a few turns by Edea instead of jumping into Dark Zone but even then he took a little too much damage, so instead, I say screw it, and have Edea dick around her first two turns poking Titan for negligible damage to build gauge.  Also Lulu opens with Meteors in the first phase, since it does slightly less than Blizzaja (no 20% boost) but gets slightly more gauge.

Turns out that was all I needed; with that, the 3 girls could just fire like mad, Yuna would use the 2nd RW during this phase because Titan's damage is honestly not scary at all, and once the heart dies, I cruise.


Gilgamesh: I'll just note the meaningful changes here:
Terra: Gets Dispel instead of Magic Breakdown.  Magic Breakdown is useless, Dispel there to counter Gilgamesh Retaliates buffs.
Yuna: Protectga instead of Shellga, for obvious reasons.
Tyro: Equips Faris' Aevis Killer+ and goes in back row.  His damage is now almost meaningful!
Things I SHOULD have done but didn't: Give Lulu Drainga, so she can counter Strongest Katana and relive some pressure on Yuna. 
RW was Shatterheart, because I figure stackable attack debuff couldn't hurt.

The only tough part I found was getting past Dayspring, since Strongest Katana means someone is going to die.  Ultimately, I just needed to get Yuna to get Hymn of the Fayth cast right before Terra/Lulu/Edea fire off a barrage knocking him into the Weak phase.  First time I try this, I botch it because Lulu faster than Yuna and yeah, oops.  2nd time, goes over well.  AMUSINGLY, Yuna's Hymn of the Fayth w/ the FF5 Judgment Staff healed 2017.  I use tactics similar to what I did with Titan to insure everything is in place, so Edea/Lulu can establish buffs before going into the next phase, and to insure Yuna had gauge.

Once I got past Dayspring, just routine things, have Terra cast Dispel at the Very Weak phase, and Tyro basically stops acting entirely here because I don't want to provoke too many counters.  Edea dies near the end because of Memento Mori, but didn't matter.

End result of all of this? 1 medal loss on Ifrit to turns, 2 medals on Titan, split amongs Turns and damage, and 2 to Gilgamesh on Damage. 

Also, Edea's Inaugural Parade really is a game changer for Mage Meta.  It makes my previous failed whaling on Kefka's Mantle (an identical Soul Break) feel more vindicated, since it really does make a huge difference.  Being able to use Faithga + Hastega without wasting an RW slot is quite handy.  Also means I'm prepared for Kaiser Dragon a few months down the line!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 04, 2016, 02:42:44 AM
First 11-pull on this banner: Gold Armor, Grand Armor, Sentinel's Grimoire and Fairy Flute. Welp. Makes the decision of pulling again significantly harder.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on July 04, 2016, 02:52:03 AM
My 11-pull on Banner 5: FF4 Diamond Armor, First Fusion Sword.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 04, 2016, 03:13:43 AM
Three pulls: a spare Kaiser Shield and some useful 4* gear for FF2 and 6. Not exactly what I was hoping for with that binge,  although the extra lightning boost is better than nothing.  Now I've got 31 mythril to my name and, luckily(?),  enough time and elite dungeons to hit 50 by Tuesday.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 04, 2016, 03:25:54 AM
100 Gem Pull: Crap
11 Pull #1: Balthier's SSB, 2 Fusion Swords
11 Pull #2: Fusion Sword #3 (next FF7 Event Cid Mission is exploding, isn't it?)
11 pull #3: Sentinel Grimoire (...already have one :( )
11 pull #4: Rekt :(
11 pull #5: Grand Armor, Fusion #4 (...yeah, that Gold Sword is going bye bye now)
 
There goes all my mithril, I'll probably be whaling ebcause damn it, waifu!

EDIT: Just whaled a bunch and got basically EVERYTHING except Kaiser Shield and Stardust Rod.  I guess I now have a 7* Magic Sword, that's...something?

...I am sad...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 04, 2016, 03:56:54 AM
Banner Waifu:
First pull: Desch Sword... already have one but hey technically Terra can use a good Magic Sword
Second pull: Fairy Flute! Hey cool, an SSB for a character I like and my first Reraise relic (cool?)
Third pull: Kaiser Shield x 2! Ramza's Tailwind Armor! Fairy Flute again! Off-banner FF9 Cat Claws? (now a 6*!)
Fourth pull: Kaiser Shield x2!

I can do one more pull but damn there is not a lot there for me. I mean, I love Kaiser Shields and having two 7* ones is great and all but there's so many ways another pull could go wrong...

There's still technically 4 things on the banner worth having for me: Both BSBs, Balthier's gun, and Leon's HotE. But... everything else is literally a Rosetta Stone at this point...

So Meeple... Waifu pull or 'get some self control'?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 04, 2016, 03:59:10 AM
Considering what I just went through, "Self control"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on July 04, 2016, 05:03:14 AM
Fairy Flute, Noble Armguards, 1st Fusion Sword, Kaiser Shield, Kaiser Shield, Kaiser Shield

guys i think the game is trying to tell me something
wall why
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 04, 2016, 05:25:49 AM
Yeah, I ended up doing the alloted seven pulls and got only a second SG, another Fairy's Flute and a Kaiser Shield. One out of four chase relics is enough when you have all the other relevant relics in a banner. At least Aldebaran comes back next month and there's nothing in July's banners I desperately want.

Eiko being my first character to have all of her SBs is weird as all fuck, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 04, 2016, 07:10:47 AM
So...trying to go to sleep, I realize I couldn't and a bunch of things came to my mind and I realized something about this game:

I think I might be done.  Yeah, call it weird that this banner is a breaking point, but various things went through my mind and considered "What does this game have to offer me at this point?"  Cid missions don't seem the most appealing to me, and Fragment Bosses from what I've seen don't seem particularly anymore interesting than what we've seen.  I spend too much time going "OMG STAMINA!" and grinding dailies, and I realize for what?

I'll probably still log in for daily rewards, maybe do new content as it arises, but that means basically playing once every few days, instead of constant grinding.  I realize I really need to cut down on worrying about a game like this, if not just drop it outright.  I compare my time with RK to my time with FF14 (my other addiction feeding game) and I realize I just have more fun with FF14, despite how all I'm doing is beating up the same dungeon time and time again.

I've become a victim to this game's mindset, and I realize that unless I cut down NOW, when things are at they're worst, I'll only further dive in.

So yeah, basically, I don't think I'll be playing this seriously much anymore.  I've had a good run, but I've seen a lot of the content in the future, and based on my past experiences, I don't think this game really has anything it can do that will shake things up.  I've thought about this for a while and I feel this is the healthiest decision to make.  It was fun guys, but don't expect to see me in this topic much more at this point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 04, 2016, 07:52:04 AM
lol

welp guys meeple has more willpower than me

time to finally fuckin kill myself

---

Beat Ultima Weapon, was actually a refreshingly hard fight since most of it's big nukes were ITD. I brought along a OK RW and a team of Terra/Ramza/Beatrix/Tyro/Relm. Tyro and Ramza ate it before my second Lakshmi's Blessing went off, but still mastered with only two medals lost.

That said uh wow if you don't have the stupid amount of holy damage I do I'm not sure how the fight would go. Probably would need two white mages with Medicas, native Hastega, Knight with a decent SSB, someone that can stack MAG debuffs, and an SG RW so you don't have to worry about the stuff that ISN'T ITD.

Probably would go Ramza/Steiner (or Agrias)/Auron/Penelo/Relm, if I was doing no native BSBs (pretending I don't have Ramza's BSB and just using him as a loudspeaker). Still doable but way more of an SL fest. RWing Celes' BSB would also probably be more useful than SG if I had both Penelo and Relm on healing duty, but SG would be smarter if I, say, set Relm up to summon Alexander instead.

EDIT: Wait, Auron doesn't have my Mag Debuff SB. Who was it again? I can't remember. Maybe Fran? Fuck if I know.

Also, FF8 banner 2 out, 11 pull netted Quistis' Red Scorpion. Pretty outdated but it's still a hastega/Shellga combo, so neat. Waiting on pulling again since the RNG is kinda streaky. Probably pull again before bed or something.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 04, 2016, 10:41:06 AM
I'll be honest, defensively, MG8 and DG aged pretty well, mostly because it's really hard to argue with Hastega+saving up to two ability slots. Sadly, Quistis kinda needs Record Spheres to be remotely competitive, but she gains a lot from it if you bother - Black 6/ White 4/Support 4 makes for a rather compelling combo.

EDIT: Mastered all SBs but Flames of Rebirth last night with my final XP dungeon run for the day. I also caved in and decided to craft and hone a third Lifesiphon, since I'll definitely want Agrias getting Cleansing Strike early in the fight. Ace Striker/Battleforged + Lifesiphon = she gets it up by her third turn if she gets hit even once and she can keep it up all fight long afterwards, so I think it's worth the trouble. RIP Beatrix.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 04, 2016, 02:19:33 PM
I'll probably still log in for daily rewards, maybe do new content as it arises, but that means basically playing once every few days, instead of constant grinding.  I realize I really need to cut down on worrying about a game like this, if not just drop it outright.  I compare my time with RK to my time with FF14 (my other addiction feeding game) and I realize I just have more fun with FF14, despite how all I'm doing is beating up the same dungeon time and time again.

Sounds eminently reasonable to me. I know I'm looking forward to cutting waaaaaaaaaaaaay back on the time I put into this once BSBfest is over and there's no time crunch for mythril anymore.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 04, 2016, 03:11:20 PM
Today, on Mondaily farming: 3500 Gysahls on a single run. Certainly more exciting than getting a billion Greater Fires. Also cap-broke Leon a second time, which feels bizarre, but so it goes with getting Hand of the Emperor, and it also goes nicely with his Dark Bargain/Saint Cross combo (Knight 5 + Darkness 5 is quite interesting just because of that). I feel like I'm brutally set for physical meta for the following six-seven months even though I have no BSB to my name. Tailwind and Sentinel's Grimoire will likely be key for Support's Nightmare dungeon as well, even though the former has to compete with Shout. Meanwhile, I'm still slaving on mastering Flames of Rebirth.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on July 04, 2016, 10:32:43 PM
Finally got around the second half of Big Bridge today. Highlights were Bartz doing enough damage with his BSB to completely skip the second Petaflare charge phase and all of Gilgamesh's dangerous gravity attacks missing due to a full team of KO resist accessories.

Low light was forgetting to bring a wind attack to the Gilgamesh + Enkidu fight first time around, so I had to redo it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on July 04, 2016, 10:58:36 PM
tried again for sg since it doesn't come back for like six months

Kaiser Shield, Fairy Flute

welcome to kaiserland
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 05, 2016, 01:14:31 AM
Actually three months if you're willing to endure sub-1% drop rates with the infinite typecast Nightmare draws that start with White Mage Abyss.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 05, 2016, 01:17:04 AM
Nemesis Gilgamesh forced one reset by chaining Strongest Katana into Dawnspring, but slow-walking that transition let me beat it easily. Tomorrow I'll get the six more mythril I need for a final try at SG, and then it's just events and dungeon updates for me -- luxury!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 05, 2016, 04:37:30 AM
SG may not show up for several months again, but when it does show up… eh, I dunno. There are so many bosses with ITD damage that it's starting to fall out of favor of being the be all, end all of RWs. Still has a good 6 months in it, don't get me wrong, but nowadays in future RK I don't even feel like chasing after Thyrus or SG when they come up.

Graaaaaanted I do have a retarded number of BSBs, two OFs, Shout, and what have you, so if you're still at a loss of overpowered shit in a half a year it may still give you a leg up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on July 05, 2016, 05:32:07 AM
at worst i'll go to jp and play multiplayer with zenny

(http://i.imgur.com/Fo1dn0Pl.jpg)

i'll bring zell
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 05, 2016, 08:18:07 AM
I fixed my FF8 synergy problem.  (http://m.imgur.com/d605IYC)

I am become Snow, Rinoa user.

For those playing at home, that is my 3rd OSB. Bonus points, both mage OSBs are weapon types that a couple Ninjas can use so if I ever want to use them.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on July 05, 2016, 09:47:17 AM
Gilgamesh + Enkidu actually gave me pretty much no problems after all my mitigation got set up, and I even Cid's Mission'd the thing.  I just had to take advantage of one thing:

Super Runic ate Berserk for breakfast.

Also forgot to do the Ultimate fights for the FF14 event, so I did those real quick.

Mastered the U+ fight somehow with four people dead and my last living person being Y'shtola with Curaja/Shellga and Tyro Burst active.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 05, 2016, 11:47:52 AM
I fixed my FF8 synergy problem.  (http://m.imgur.com/d605IYC)

I am become Snow, Rinoa user.

For those playing at home, that is my 3rd OSB. Bonus points, both mage OSBs are weapon types that a couple Ninjas can use so if I ever want to use them.

So, about that Ifrit Cid's Mission.

Regardless, yeah, SG definitely becomes less of an absolute must over time. Heck, since I got Cait Sith's SB, I've been running some U+ fights without it even as a RW, it's definitely viable if you can stack debuffs past FB+Breakdown. And the tools to do so will pile up like -crazy-.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 05, 2016, 12:11:23 PM
Yeah, I think between Selphie's Medicaga+Magic Blink, her MAG + Mind Up BSSB, Quistis' Hastega, Rinoa on OSB/Chain Blizzaga duty, Squall with the 6* Blizzard Spellblade/R5 Blizzaga Strike, and I guess Irvine on support duty, I can do that pretty cleanly.

Yaaaaay, 5x 4* Strength Fragments!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 05, 2016, 02:28:11 PM
omg

Welp, Sephiroth's event will land tonight. Since we'll get Global-exclusive Cid Missions for it, I'm pondering the following setup for U+ Sephiroth:

Aerith (Valefor/Maduin - Ace Striker or Battleforged)
Cait Sith (Curaja/Mana's Paean - Dr Mog's Teachings)
Red XIII (Magic Breakdown/Full Break - Mako Might)
Yuffie (Steal Power/Phantasm - Devotion or Vow of Vengeance)
Vincent (Dark Zone/Memento Mori - Vow of Vengeance or Devotion)

Lulu Focus RW

So yeah, mage meta would strike again, since I have complete overkill mage synergy for FF7 in comparison to my relatively lackluster physical options. Yuffie running Phantasm would be pretty useful due to ignoring defenses and I have it at R4, while Steal Power covers Power Breakdown and some extra juice for Bloodfest. I'll likely slap my Shellga shared armlet on Vinny for covering the Meteor spam on low HP phase while Red covers Protectga with Lunatic High. Aerith covers a side of magical offense and AoE healing while Cait covers debuffing and ST healing. Focus + Paean should keep the damage current while Vincent with DZ/MM combo is very likely to muster good offense. We'll see how it pans out. I might use a similar setup for the Turks, since I have a lot of AoE magic offense too, but I'd focus healing on Aerith instead of Cait, who'd go full-on Dancer. Having his relic makes using Dances so much easier.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 05, 2016, 04:41:33 PM
Fourth banner 5 11-pull: Golden Armor and Desch's Sword. Game really wants me to use Desch, I guess. And after the first time around I'm glad to have an FF3 weapon on hand for the next FF3 event (plus it's my first en-element SB). Golden Armor is not great since I have Apocalypse Shield and Basch and Leon are largely the same character (except Leon can't Drawtaliate), but there's definitely a niche for the Knight 5/Dark 5 combo if I decide to spend the orbs.

Still no wall, sigh. But I definitely got an upgrade from the gear I did pull, so I can't complain too much.

(What I can complain about is that I spent 450 mythril and got all my game-changing gear from a single 11-pull. Would've been nice to just save the rest!)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 05, 2016, 05:19:30 PM
At least, Darkness+Knight is a fun combo, yeah. I can't imagine you using Leon over Basch outside that scenario (better equip options and stats, mainly), but it's not a total loss. I'm actually glad I pulled HotE now, it opens up a lot of flexibility options for parties, especially when you have multiple boostga users hanging around.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 05, 2016, 05:42:45 PM
Also, reflecting on what the fest did for my synergy:

FF1: Additional 4* sword
FF2: Additional 4* sword
FF3: My first synergy melee weapon!
FF4: No change, is now my biggest need and I'll pull as much as I can from Rydia's banner.
FF5: Goes from one of my weaker realms to possibly the best -- BSB sword, 6* katana, 5* hammer, 6* staff, two 5* bows, and a 4++ axe.
FF6: Shored up immensely despite only pulling a 4* dagger, because my relics for the realm are two gloves and a spear, and I used to have one glove/spear user on my A team while the rest went to waste -- now I have two glove users and two spear users. Much better.
FF12: Got my first proper 5* melee weapon in Vaan's katana. That plus a good assortment of 4++ gear and Ashe's magic sword have me in good shape.
FF13: No new items but my setup of 5* gun, 4.5* gun, 5* pumpkin, 4++ glove, 4* glove looks much better with Basch on the A team.

Also I have enough +Holy and +Lightning shields to hand out to everybody on the team who needs one, which is pretty great. Putting Lightning and Desch on the same team with matching Kaiser Shields is going to wreck some poor lightning-weak boss's day sooner or later.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 05, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
To be honest, you don't even -need- the boss to be Thunder-weak. Just the Lightning boost on Kaiser Shield boosts Crushing Blow from effectively 6.5x to 7.8x mult (i.e. ST SSB-level offense) and you can stack it if synergy says so. On Desch, the effect is also worth it on average as long as you don't have synergy 5* hats for a real, and, even if you do, the difference is small. It becomes a bit of a choice between better defenses or better Res and slightly better damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 05, 2016, 06:25:09 PM
Come to think of it, for Desch I also have the FF4 rod that boosts lightning by 20%.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 05, 2016, 06:29:41 PM
That's where the money lies. I'm expecting Lightning to do horrifying things to the next FF10 event, since I have both a 7* Lightning Steel and that Kaiser Shield now. 40% Lightning Boost off 500+ base ATK, here I come.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on July 05, 2016, 09:42:11 PM
*checks U+ boss in next FFX event*


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WEAK    Fire / Ice / Lightning / Water / Holy

ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha that poor thing is getting slaughtered so hard.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 05, 2016, 10:49:10 PM
WEAK TO ALL FFX ELEMENTS WHAT A GREAT IDEA
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 06, 2016, 10:27:50 AM
Welp. JP this month gets General Leo, Angeal, Bartz' dad, Alphinaud and Minfilia.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 06, 2016, 11:15:34 AM
Cool, who, eh, who, who?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 06, 2016, 11:54:12 AM
Crisis Core final boss, FF14, FF14.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 06, 2016, 11:57:04 AM
There's also a Lightning Louis Vitton modelling OSB event, but that was literally inevitable post-OSBfest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 06, 2016, 11:59:40 AM
Crisis Core final boss, FF14, FF14.

what? I don't understand the words you are saying.

There's also a Lightning Louis Vitton modelling OSB event, but that was literally inevitable post-OSBfest.

ok i see it must be lets speak jibberish day
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 06, 2016, 12:14:54 PM
Long story short, Leo event begins on Friday and Shadow/Relm BSBs are highly likely.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 06, 2016, 02:19:49 PM
Gysahl Shop goodies and Keeper's Quiz results are out! The shop started handing out Sphere Record motes -and- this week is Power/Non-Elemental/Wind week for the majors. MY POOR GREENS.

This said, I mastered Black Mage's and Hunter's Spheres on Quistis, unlocking the high-level job spheres for her. Too bad we don't have 4* motes yet.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 06, 2016, 04:21:55 PM
Ok, quick run down of the who the fuck everyone is!

Leo: ...ok, not going to bother with this; we all know him.

Angeal: Zack's mentor, best-friend and the original owner of the Buster Sword.  Prominent character in Crisis Core whose all about DREAMS, HONOR and turning into a fused chimera monster thing because we need a stylish Disc 1 Final Boss.  He'll probably be FF7's Knight, and is basically about as good an addition to FF7 as you'll get outside of maybe Genesis (Crisis Core's villain.)  Certainly better idea than anyone from Dirge of Cerberus!

Alphinaud: Major NPC in FF14, to the point where he's basically the game's protagonist.  Arcanist, so he uses a Book, and will probably be FF14's Summoner as a result.  He's also secure enough in his sexuality to wear matching outfits with his identical twin sister...yes, I am 100% aware that identical twins technically have to be the same gender, but seriously, go look up an image of Alphinaud and Alisae, and try to figure out which of the two is a male.  I did that with my sister when she started FF14 and she refused to decide.

Minfillia: NPC of FF14 who leads the Scions, is basically the epitome of faux-important.  The game tries it's best to make it seem like she's meaningful by saying "LEADER OF THE SCIONS" but she actually doesn't do anything other than require you to constantly return to the scion base, and tell you to go somewhere else.  She also has super powers in being able to see the past, getting kidnapped, and taking credit for things all her allies did.  They even make it a running gag that she's a complete non-combatant, begging the question why they didn't choose like...anyone else!

Dorgan: Bartz's dad, appears in various flashbacks and was the one guy who said "So sealing Ex-death on another planet is kind of a dick move don't you think?  I'm outnumbered aren't I?  Ok, the only way I'm NOT going to feel like a prick is if I stay behind on this planet so SOMEONE is around to oppose Ex-death should he revive."  Then he bangs a woman and produces an idiot son.

The one thing Dorgan DOES do for RK is let you make a full team of "Dads of other PCs!"  We had Laguna, Shadow, Jecht, and Braska, so Dorgan's our fifth!


On a different note, I think I've decided that the amount of RK I'll be playing is enough to empty my stamina once per day.  That way I "keep up" if I ever want to get serious again, but I can also "play it and forget it" each day as a result.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 07, 2016, 08:16:59 AM
Ok, quick run down of the who the fuck everyone is!

That was not a prompt for you to talk.

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On a different note, I think I've decided that the amount of RK I'll be playing is enough to empty my stamina once per day.  That way I "keep up" if I ever want to get serious again, but I can also "play it and forget it" each day as a result.

Your quality: Less willpower than Meeple has vanished.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on July 07, 2016, 09:54:27 AM
You still plan your weekend around it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 07, 2016, 11:27:50 AM
I found the little character blurbs helpful, I don't see what the problem is?  ::)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 07, 2016, 01:21:37 PM
To be honest, you don't even -need- the boss to be Thunder-weak. Just the Lightning boost on Kaiser Shield boosts Crushing Blow from effectively 6.5x to 7.8x mult (i.e. ST SSB-level offense) and you can stack it if synergy says so. On Desch, the effect is also worth it on average as long as you don't have synergy 5* hats for a real, and, even if you do, the difference is small. It becomes a bit of a choice between better defenses or better Res and slightly better damage.

Plot twist: Desch can't use shields. DeNaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 07, 2016, 01:48:49 PM
Because Zenny needed to get more stacked: DeNA gave some OSB weapons unique RS bonuses. Now, the single-element OSB weapons give their relative elements a %20 damage boost in addition to improved stats when under synergy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 07, 2016, 02:17:08 PM
Because Zenny needed to get more stacked: DeNA gave some OSB weapons unique RS bonuses. Now, the single-element OSB weapons give their relative elements a %20 damage boost in addition to improved stats when under synergy.

ha

hahaha

hahahahahahahaha

haaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaha

i just wanna reiterate that i have spent a total of 200 mythril on relevant banners to get water/fire/earth osbs

i am so much luckier than you it isn't even funny

well its funny to me
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 07, 2016, 05:42:47 PM

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Your quality: Less willpower than Meeple has vanished.

Oddly, I have no will to actually play RK today since lack of new content and frankly, "grind for orbs" just isn't appealing.  If I'm going to grind for something, I'm grinding for Esos in FF14, so basically that last "use stamina" thing is me being full of shit.

...outside of logging in for the log-in rewards, I'm basically just playing when new content drops and that's it.  So yeah, don't get too excited.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 09, 2016, 03:22:11 AM
Ultimate battles/Cid Missions done. Full-medaled the Turks, lost one medal on damage to U+ Sephiroth. Setups as below.

Turks

L75 Cait Sith (Heathen Frolic Sarabande R3/Multibreak R2 - Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Red XIII (Power Breakdown R4/Mental Breakdown R4 - Mako Might)
L80 Aerith (Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Ace Striker)
L80 Reno (Meteor R3/Darkra R4 - Vow of Vengeance)
L80 Vincent (Memento Mori R3/Alexander R5 - Devotion)

Lulu Focus RW

Since almost all of my FF7 offensive synergy is magical in nature (including a Striking Staff that went, unsurprisingly, to Vincent), I decided to go full mage meta here. Honestly, feels like the way to go if you have the hones and stackable breakdown mitigation - the Turks are individually fragile and you can really speed up the fight if you can pull it off. Entice hit Vincent once, which was annoying, and I spent the entire fight individually healing people because the opening turns are a pain in the ass, but once Elena went down, things went smoothly. Vincent was dropping 20k damage Alexanders with Memento Mori + Focus, which was nothing short of gross. Toy Soldier is frankly amazing. Lunatic High, of course, didn't hurt either.

One-Winged Angel Sephiroth

Something a bit different here.

L75 Cait Sith (Curaja R5/Mana's Paean R4 - Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Red XIII (Mental Breakdown R4/Full Break R3 - Mako Might)
L80 Aerith (Alexander R5/Valefor R5 - Devotion)
L80 Yuffie (Phantasm R4/Steal Power R3 - Selfless Summoner)
L80 Vincent (Memento Mori R3/Dark Zone R3 - Vow of Vengeance)

Selphie Dreamstage RW (I was afraid of his Meteors at low HP. As it turns out, he never casted it once)

Yeah, I decided to forgo Dispel because Sephiroth's Scintilla counters would become irrelevant regarding Haste in his low HP phase anyway and I suspected the extra offense from Mana's Paean would be more useful. In hindsight, I should've given Cait Sith just Faith for casting on Aerith - would make timing Memento Mori unnecessary and Yuffie honestly didn't gain much from Mana's Paean. Heck, I'm thinking I should've handed Yuffie Dismissal instead, since Steal Power would let her work it off offensively just fine. Still, Steal Power is good against Sephy. Mental Breakdown was a good choice - lowering his RES, along with Mana's Paean, got Aerith to break 11k damage per summon cast, while Vincent dropped 18k Dark Zones all day. Late in the fight, things got hectic with a few unfortunate Scintilla counters - he actually ganked Yuffie. Pulse of Life to the rescue, though, and the buff loss when you're running most of your mitigation as breakdowns isn't anywhere near as bad. Cait Sith and Red were ultimately my team's cornerstones, while Aerith and Vincent provided the necessary offense to end the fight. Pretty tense, but ultimately manageable. The extra AoE healing from Dreamstage was pretty nice to have as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on July 09, 2016, 06:40:03 AM
Tried an 11-pull, because Banner 2 seemed really good.

What I wanted: Cait Sith's SSB, Yuffie's SSB, Cloud's SB, Barret's SB

What I got: Tifa's SSB, Chocobracelet.

Welp.


Cid Missions on U and U+ done and mastered.  -2 Medals on each for damage taken.

Party for U: Cloud/Red/Aeris/Cait/Sephiroth + Shout

Sephiroth because money Samurai skills showing their worth here, Cloud because BSB, Red for Lunatic High, Aeris/Cait for Healing.

Party for U+: Cloud/Red/Aeris/Cait/Tifa + Stoneskin

Tifa because Burning Arrow (despite me pulling her SSB), and the rest of the people for the same reason as above.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on July 09, 2016, 08:46:14 AM
So it turns out the Cid Missions are borked for this event and will cough up their delicious loot regardless of your actual party once you clear it (although it won't tell you you did so if you don't actually fulfill the conditions.)

I wasn't especially looking forward to trying these missions (Having no mitigation, Haste, healing, or buffs amongst my otherwise decent FFVII synergy) so I'll take it.  Honestly even with A-team Shout setups these fights were fairly lethal, albeit not TOO threatening, so yeah, definitely happier this way I think.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 10, 2016, 04:54:02 AM
Holy shit, the Turks fight is the purest distillation of FFRK luck-based bullshit imaginable. Automatic opening attack that knocks maxed characters to 25% health, and it's very likely that they'll get a full round of regular turns in before you can heal. Have fun killing and restarting the app 20 times to get past turn 2!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 10, 2016, 09:11:24 AM
Looked at the FF6 banners and saw nothing that really caught my eye, so I went and yolo pulled on the first FF8 banner. Hello Rinoa BSB and two of Laguna's ice SB guns.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 10, 2016, 01:45:38 PM
hohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohoho

Cid's Mission U+ Seifer down, no medals lost. That was fuuuuuuun. My FF8 A-team synergizes really well thanks to today's yolopull.

The setup:

Rinoa (R5 Valefor, R3 Chain Blizzaga), Battleforged
Laguna (R4 Dismissal, R5 Indoor Spell), Ace Striker
Quistis (R5 Wrath, R4 Bioga), Dr. Mog's Teachings, *Liberty Staff equipped*
Irvine (R4 Power BD, R3 Fullbreak), Dragoon's Determination
Selphie (R3 Protectga, R5 Curaja), Mako Might
SRS RW

So. Lots of stuff made this fun. The most obvious one being that having Selphie's BSB gives me +30% MAG that stacks with the Liberty Staff's +30% mag, making Rinoa's DPS absolutely insane (that increased softcap helps mages out soooo much). Second most obvious, Laguna's SB adding Weak: Ice to seifer, making his SSB do ~20k damage a pop afterwards, Rinoa's Chain Blizzaga deal 12k a round, and her BSB Ice attack deal 16k a round. After all that buffing (Selphie BSB, Liberty Staff, + stat bonus from BSB), her OFB dealt close to the damage cap despite not hitting weakness/being boosted by En-element. Hooooo boy.

Quistis was mostly a hastega/boostga mule, so only used Bioga once to hit a medal condition. Wrath is suuuuuper nice for letting me use both SBs on her in a timely fashion. Hastega is overall more important, so she started with that, but it was only two turns later that she got the boost/faithga out, right before Laguna hit his first SSB. Heck, even Irvine's Quick Shot dealt ~10k damage.

This setup is ridiculous and FF8 is now easily my strongest realm. I don't know how I feel about that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 10, 2016, 07:39:29 PM
Quote from: Zenny
ff8 waifu pull is real

Got Kain to L65 for instant cap-break in the Tuesday event. Also got Cait Sith's second RM yesterday. By next Sunday, I should have Leon/Eiko/Quistis maxed out.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 12, 2016, 02:48:42 PM
So, DeNA reinstated the Cid's Missions and changed the original entries to just clearing the fights themselves. Welp, won't say no to two apology Mythril and getting more Major Orbs out of the deal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 14, 2016, 02:29:45 AM
My credit card was already clenched for the amount of whaling it was going to take for this new FF4 banner. Did one 50-mythril pull, only one 5* - oh crap it's Cecil's Burst. Whelp guess I'm done for a while.

Now I have five BSBs. I can field a full team of these guys. Should I make five Lifesiphons?

Not the most efficient team, but super satisfying!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 14, 2016, 12:50:10 PM
another JP lucky "catch up" pull. Vincent's SSB that boosts magic. I can now stack 3 different magic boosts through SBs alone so I guess I'm mage metaing now
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 14, 2016, 02:07:34 PM
11X pull on the FF4 banner: Kain's SSB and Edward's harp! My FF4 synergy problems are solved, I can finally field a mage team that's not a total joke, and the zero-jump-time effect should be fun to play with.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on July 14, 2016, 02:22:52 PM
Lolololololololol

Nooooope.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 14, 2016, 02:34:24 PM
You didn't get anything?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 14, 2016, 02:51:36 PM
11X pull on the FF4 banner: Kain's SSB and Edward's harp! My FF4 synergy problems are solved, I can finally field a mage team that's not a total joke, and the zero-jump-time effect should be fun to play with.

Song of Swiftness RW plz

Anyhow, as tempting as the good stuff on the banner is, I'm really not feeling the risk of drawing another Shadowblade or Kotetsu. I only have 54 Mythril and I'd rather save up for the FFXII event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on July 14, 2016, 03:41:33 PM
I got another shadowblade.

So yeah, basically I got nothing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 14, 2016, 03:44:12 PM
Song of Swiftness RW plz

Just gotta level him above 1 first.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on July 14, 2016, 06:19:07 PM
Kotetsu (IV)

i didn't know they put sephiroth items on a ff4 banner
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on July 14, 2016, 10:56:17 PM
Kotetsu (IV)

i didn't know they put sephiroth items on a ff4 banner

I see.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on July 15, 2016, 03:13:52 AM
Spent 50 mythril in search of FF4 synergy, got 2 Shadowblades and an Artemis Bow. Good enough for me!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 15, 2016, 04:39:47 PM
Thinking on it, I just developed a huge need for orbs in order to actually make use of these shinies. Rising Dive requires R3 Dragoon Jump for maximum effect (Expect to use the move twice in a U/+ fight, three instant jumps per use) and I'm 19 major fire orbs short on that, plus it would eat all my lightning orbs and I was hoping to R2 Thief's Revenge sometime this century. Song of Swiftness needs honed summons and black magic to boost, and currently I have...R2 Maduin? And some -agas? Plus my spellcaster weapons are pretty bad.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 15, 2016, 05:02:45 PM
Summons are a really long-term investment unless you're willing to break some Major Summon Orbs. This said, you can also get away with honing some -jas for an acceptable stopgap with a 30% MAG boost. For whatever's worth, if you hone two 4* summons to R4, you can get by pretty damn well for impressive offense (I only have 20%+ and a synergy rod usually, and that + Devotion usually get me breaking five-digit damage with Valduin somewhat consistently. With Focus and/or or weakness stacked, it starts getting nuts). Also, for Rising Dive: in practice, I think you can get away with R2 Dragoon Jump (Lifesiphon spam does eat away at Dragoon Jumping and that + SSB already chips away at boss health considerably) unless Kain's your only relevant DPS slot.

(I honed it to R3 anyway because otherwise Kain will be horrible against CM Barbariccia.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 16, 2016, 12:25:09 AM
So Angeal ultimately ends up being a pretty generic Knight, having nothing that really makes him stand out.  Spellblade 3 I guess gives him some diversity, but otherwise, he doesn't really stand out.  Getting Spears is a perk I suppose for synergy diversity, but otherwise he seems to exist specifically for FF7 Cid Missions, as he's the only one from the realm with Knight 5. 

Reno also got a bunch of buffs to his physical side.  Sounds like they really want him as a fighter now, which makes sense all things considered.  The other Black Mage in the FF7 realm is Vincent, who is ALSO a Fighter/Mage Hybrid and just does that schtick way better, might as well try to make Reno deviate as much from Vincent as possible.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 16, 2016, 12:54:42 AM
Gaia Cross by itself is a pretty solid niche. He really doesn't need anything else.

What'd they buff to Reno, out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 16, 2016, 02:05:36 AM
Machinist 4, Celerity 5, attack buff and access to thrown weapons.

EDIT: So, after shattering a bunch of abilities I wouldn't ever use remotely seriously, like Flashing Blade, Sky Grinder and Bio Grenade, and doing some orb exchange shenanigans, I finally honed Thief's Revenge to R3. So, that's Meteor, Full Break, Saint Cross, Full Charge, Dragoon Jump and Thief's Revenge now. Man.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on July 16, 2016, 07:06:17 AM
Finally got around to doing the Adult Rydia +++ fight with a Cid Mission party (Kain/Edward/Rosa/Tellah/Yang), and redoing the Shirtless Sephiorth U and U+ Cid Missions.

Turks were nice enough to drop a MFO for me again.  Turks fight did give me some trouble due to them killing off Red early - and therefore my main source of debuffs, but...  Eh.  Gave Sephiroth a R1 Flashing Blade and R4 Yukikaze, and it all worked out well enough with a Shout RW.

I just did the same thing I did last time for the U+, though this time different people died...  And I still mastered it anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 16, 2016, 06:55:27 PM
Gaia Cross by itself is a pretty solid niche. He really doesn't need anything else

Oh, Angeal's not bad, to be clear, he's just not interesting.  There's little reason to use him over other Knights unless you either have his SSB or it's a Cid Mission (which to be fair, is a niche at least.)  It's more that there's a whole bunch of characters who can replicate what he does; offhand, Steiner, Agrias, Celes, Delita and Paine all have Knight 5 + Spellblade combo, and most of them have Spellblade higher than 3* to boot, though Angeal being able to use Spears gives him a better weapon draw than all of the above (several of them can use Axes, but Spears are somewhat more common than Axes) outside of maybe Paine, who can use Katanas and Guns which probably makes her about even.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 18, 2016, 01:31:35 AM
Okay, last night I managed to beat this event's ultimates Cid Mission-style. I was actually worried there, since, while my FF4 equipment synergy is passable, my SB selection for the realm is mostly useless at this stage of power creep. 5* abilities to the rescue, though. Setup for Barbariccia:

L80 P. Cecil (Banishing Strike R4/Full Charge R3 - Mako Might [Protectga shared SB])
L65 Kain (Blood of the Wyvern R4/Dragoon Jump R3 - Pride of the Red Wings)
L80 Porom (Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Healer's Prayer [Shared AoE heal SB])
L65 Edward (Magic Breakdown R4/Full Break R3 - Dr. Mog's Teachings [Shared AoE mid-regen SB])
L65 Edge (Power Steal R3/Dismissal R4 - Ace Striker or something)

RW: Shout

Barbariccia wasn't terribly difficult. Mostly about keeping the counters and Tornado time to a minimum. Dragoon Jump was pretty legit, making Kain more or less my main damage dealer. Full Charge P. Cecil worked fine too, but he just didn't have the same oomph running off a 4++* Dancing Dagger. Porom double-casted Curaja way more often than she should, too. No S/Ls, no medals lost, which was kind of a surprise considering I had no stackable breakdowns past FB and no Wall.

Asura and Leviathan setup goes as follows:

L80 DK Cecil (R3 Full Charge, R4 Lifesiphon - Mako Might)
L71 Edge (R4 Dismissal, R5 Tempo Flurry - Rebel's Might)
L71 Edward (R4 Magic Breakdown, R3 Full Break - Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 P. Cecil (R4 Draw Fire, R4 Banishing Strike - Might of Sasune)
L80 Porom (R5 Curaja, R2 Shellga - Cetra's Destiny)

RW: Divine Guardian

Dicier and I had to egg Edge and Edward some for added survivability. More importantly, this setup came after some struggles with mage meta and Kain+Golbez setups, which just couldn't keep up with the offense. This one had a bit of luck involved too: Leviathan's OPB doublecast physical water attack upon Asura's death is really nasty and a guaranteed KO if it focuses on -anyone- but the Cecils. Fortunately, it unfocused on Porom and Edward, who both had the HP to survive. Edge was seriously important here: Slowing Asura is a big deal, since she can be a pain in the ass with dispels and buffs. Once she fell, the fight was mostly under control. Edward died to a poorly timed Blizzara after a Blizzaja left him in critical, but by that point, the fight was nearly over. DK Cecil was also a great asset, since Soul Eater kept my offense viable against the fight. I'm just glad I didn't need to draw on a banner to make this mission work. Nasty fight, though.

Next up on Cid Missions: FF8. Those fuckers are so dead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on July 19, 2016, 01:40:43 AM
I got the Cid Missions done.

The sum total of my FF4 Relics:

A 5* Flame Sword with 102 ATK
A 5* Stoneblade with 103 ATK
A 3*++ Lilith Rod with 54 MAG
A 4*++ Sage's Staff with 80 MND
Edward's Fabled Harp
A 5* Gold Hairpin
A 5* Dark Helm
A 4*++ Black Garb
A 5*+ Diamond Armor
5* Dragon Gloves
A bunch of accessories that weren't really helpful.

Reasons to spend orbs:
Saint's Cross to R3
Dragoon Jump to R3
Blood of the Wyvern to R3

Failed reasoning on spending orbs:
Drainga to R4

Final U+ Cid Mission Party:
Rosa/Cecil/Edward/Kain/Porom + Shout

Didn't have enough slots to actually get Mastery with the Cid Mission party, so I went back with an A-Team and got Mastery fairly easily.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 19, 2016, 04:18:48 PM
So next 6* Summon is going to be Tritoch of all things.  I guess people mistranslated the whole "multiple targets" thing to be "multiple elements" or some such (many were predicting Magus Trio.)

That's...an odd choice for a 6*, but better than 5* Titan *punts*.  I guess it makes sense to go this direction; you need something that is a believable lateral shift compared to Neo-Bahamut which is already MT 6x3 damage, which is kind of ridiculous, so either you choose like ST 9x3 or you add some quirk to it; a triple elemental summon would qualify as a quirk.  I assume it'll be weaker than Neo-Bahamut, to accomodate for elemental boosts.

Speaking of which, they're reworking Multi-elementals to work the more logical way, in that all elements are factored in for strengthens and such, and it just uses whatever does the most damage.  So if you have Oath Veil on, Meltdown still gets the 20% Boost and is Wind elemental unless some other elemental factor makes Fire or Earth more preferable.  Contrasts before where it was always Fire Elemental unless enemy resisted Fire or was weak to Earth/Wind.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 21, 2016, 02:32:43 PM
U+ G-Eraser CM down. Party was

Vincent (Chain Blizzaga, Valefor), Mako Might
Red 13 (Power BD, FB), Dragoon's Determination
Cait Sith (Strongwater, Curaja), Dualcast White
Zack (Chain Starter, Indoor Spell), Dr. Mog's
Aeris (Protectga, Curaja), Battleforged.
SG RW.

Guy was kind of a scrub actually. No ITD, and his stun gimmick would have been annoying if I only brought one healer along. Took a gamble and used Aeris' first SB charge on boosting my critical chances instead of Medica, and it paid off. Apocalypse was dealing BSB level damage on all 4 crits, and spamming Chain Starter just racked up the numbers. Let SG slip for a few turns that almost caused a reset, but fortunately Chain Starter is kinda really fucking good. Should have honed this puppy a long time ago.

Vincent, despite having an SSB, only used his regular SB from his coat since the Mag boost was higher (though ST... didn't matter!) Cranked out pretty respectable damage, too, now that he has a magic gun.

All in all, though, G-Eraser was waaaaaaay less difficult than the U Guardspider before him DESPITE going A-team on Guardspider, because U Guardspider's MT Stop was waaaaaaaaaay more obnoxious of a gimmick than U+ G-Eraser's ST stun.

Also, I think this is the first time in a long time I've had a battle with only one character using Indoor Spell. Yay?

In other news, Fragment dungeons are back tomorrow. Hellooooooooooooooooo CM Ifrit.

EDIT: U++ Crimson Bahamut down. Tried to Mage Meta (Terra/Vinny/Tyro/Rinoa/Selphie, OK RW) but kept getting him down to 10-20% then having to reload. Needed SG too badly. Could maybe have worked with building more toward defence but meeeeeeh. Went A-Team (Ramza/Terra/Tyro/Selphie/Beatrix, SG RW) and wrecked him with no SLs. Yep.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 21, 2016, 03:39:46 PM
In unrelated news, DeNA took pity on their support staff and announced Dissidia event and the belated Orbfest a month in advance, as well as announcing a Mythril giveaway that covers the pieces we missed from the boss campaign on the Big Bridge event. Getting those two during my vacation time will be nice, though.

EDIT: Also, Seifer/Irvine MC2 event today and Mote Dungeon Ifrit on Tuesday. I really wonder if I have the chops to run Mote Ifrit CM-style.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 21, 2016, 04:24:51 PM
If you don't CM Fragment Ifrit (wtf mote that is sooooooo goddamn stupid), Snow, nobody will be able to. I believe in you.

Also vacation? Where you goin?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 21, 2016, 05:30:35 PM
Downed the FF4 ultimates this morning. Both were pretty easy (thanks, new RS gear) -- no S/L on Barbarrica, one on Leviathan/Asura because it's a weird fight for buff timing. It was also my trial run for (ab)using Desch's en-lightning SB and the results were....mixed. Equipped with an RS rod, RS hat and RS +30 MAG accessory he was barely cracking 3K using Ruinga, and once Asura died and I could finally cut loose with lightning Bolt of the Ancients was dealing just a bit more than that per hit. Obviously once he was lightning'ed-up the second cast was considerably stronger, but Lightning with Dismissal for Asura and Thundaga Strike for Leviathan would have exploited that weakness just as well and contributed more to downing Asura. I'll revisit once I can field a Song of Swiftness team, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 21, 2016, 06:23:11 PM
Ruinga has a 5.6x mult. It's frankly not suitable for Ultimate-level fights -at all-. Also, mage SBs have a low general mult, barely above -jas. The point is really the en-element and it's kinda limited with the 4* abilities. It'll look a whole lot more impressive in a few months when Chain Thundaga arrives.

If you don't CM Fragment Ifrit (wtf mote that is sooooooo goddamn stupid), Snow, nobody will be able to. I believe in you.

Also vacation? Where you goin?

For Ifrit, I certainly have the equipment and levels, as well as the defensive utility (my FF8 synergy is ridiculously stacked for mages in particular and looks good everywhere, and I have a couple clutch SBs like Edea's poor man's mage Shout and Quistis' MG), but I'm worried about my healing and particularly burst power for wearing Ifrit down. I may have to craft and hone a second Blizzaja just for this fight, since just en-Earth shenanigans won't cut it. At least I can spread a couple AoE healing relics around.

Also, next month I'm spending a few days in São Paulo to visit friends and just generally screw around a bit for vacation. Nothing fancy, nor anything that impacts my mobile internet access. It'll be fun!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 22, 2016, 06:36:57 AM
Yeah Magic's gonna take a hit in usefulness until the multihit attacks come out. Can Desch at least use Ixion? I honed it before Chain Thundaga came out and it's holding up pretty well.

Snow: Didn't realize you don't have a Selphie Relic.... yeah, that's gonna be a hard sell. Dream Stage would be such a godsend.  Since your Rinoa is so stacked, would it be more useful to maybe hone Shiva instead of a second Blizzaja since it's dual hit? Or would that not break the 9999 cap enough for you to bother? I forget Shiva's mults since I never bothered since she's only a 3* summon, in fairness.

Don't discount En-element/Imperil shenanigans, too; I *almost* beat Fragment Ifrit with Beatrix's Imperil Holy BSB a while back, so I imagine Enearth may actually see Rhinohaha dealing decent damage despite not hitting weakness.

Also, sounds like a good vacation, Snow, hope you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 22, 2016, 07:16:21 AM
Fragment dungeons are back. I tried the CM but forgot Squall needed to be in my party.

.... Picard Facepalm goes here.

Luckily it was easy, and in fact with my FF8 go-team I fatfingered a bunch and mis-used Rinoa's OF and BSB and whatnot. Whoops. Second try, I put some fire resistance gear on as well and yeah long story short I have 5 Strength Fragments. Insert maniac anime girl here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 22, 2016, 01:48:53 PM
Yeah Magic's gonna take a hit in usefulness until the multihit attacks come out. Can Desch at least use Ixion? I honed it before Chain Thundaga came out and it's holding up pretty well.

Snow: Didn't realize you don't have a Selphie Relic.... yeah, that's gonna be a hard sell. Dream Stage would be such a godsend.  Since your Rinoa is so stacked, would it be more useful to maybe hone Shiva instead of a second Blizzaja since it's dual hit? Or would that not break the 9999 cap enough for you to bother? I forget Shiva's mults since I never bothered since she's only a 3* summon, in fairness.

I have R5 Shiva as well, but I'm not counting on it to make the difference I need when it's running off a 5.5x mult. If Chain Blizzaga was already available, this would be a completely different story, but, as is, I'm worried about my resources on my A-Team. You know, with the likes of Sentinel's Grimoire, Shout and multiple SSBs. 3.8k defense is just completely out of whack at this point in the game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on July 25, 2016, 10:58:24 AM
So, Bonus Fight CMs Mastered.

U Propagators x5

Squall L80 - Lifesiphon R4/Blizzaga Strike R3 - Ace Striker - Blasting Zone
Rinoa L80 - Blizzaja R4/Drainga R4 - Battleforged - Angel Wing Quake
Laguna L64 - Dismissal R4/Blind Shell R4 - Pride of the Red Wings
Selphie L80 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Healer's Prayer II - Dreamstage
Irvine L69 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Rebel's Might
RW: Stoneskin II

Honestly, this fight was a nightmare.  Only Squall and Rinoa could do respectable damage, Laguna was just there for Blind Shells, Irvine for Breaks, and Selphie for Healing.  Gave me a good amount of S/Ls, and one attempt I just gave up on because of the sheer amount of damage coming through without the Wall RW - I had brought Mighty Guard VIII and had Selphie with Protectga first, you see.  Of course, Squall winds up dead for the last third of the fight, and I have to resort to the absolute last casting of everything to finish it off.

I didn't like this fight very much, but 5 targets sucks anyway.  Probably would've gone better had I looked up that I needed Lightning Resist and geared for that, actually...  And had I put Knight's Charge on Selphie.  Healer's Prayer II did save me a few times, but I feel like she would've done better with something else.  Whole bunch of S/Ls for the stars to align just right for it.



U+ Bahamut
Squall L80 - Lifesiphon R4/Drain Strike R5 - Ace Striker - Blasting Zone
Selphie L80 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Knight's Charge - Dreamstage
Zell L73 - Tempo Flurry R5/Piercing Strike R4 - Balamb Firebrand
Irvine L69 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Rebel's Might
Laguna L65 - Power Break R4/Blind Shell R4 - Pride of the Red Wings
RW: Shout

Okay, I had one S/L on this fight, but that was because of an unlucky Tornado killing three people in the last 25% half a second before Selphie could get Dreamstage off.

Let me start off by saying this: Bahamut is fast.  It's very possible he can lap a few characters while casting, so you always need to be wary about his magic.  That said, he can be slowed to help out, and Blind makes his physicals almost a non-issue.  His most dangerous actions are a single target Thundaga (-ja?) that left Squall with a barely triple-digit amount of HP, and Tornados for a party-wide 1500 damage after Shell, Full Break, and Magic Breakdown.  While this normally wouldn't be a problem, it actually is because he's so freaking fast.  Any turns he spent with his physical or casting Stop on someone other than Selphie (or missed with it even) were close-quarters breathing room, making this fight more sane.

Nightmare Megaflare actually did less damage than his Tornadoes, so the more I saw that, the less I was seeing Tornado, and therefore the less damage I was taking.

Things to note:
Squall using my 5*++ Revolver, Gordon's Flame Shield, and his Pendant had 522 ATK.  After Shout, he was doing about 6900 with each Lifesiphon, about 5300 with Drain Strike (with the healing being the main point), and Lifesiphon * 4 with Blasting Zone.
Selphie's Dreamstage got a lot of use - considering that Bahamut's arsenal is mostly Magical, Dreamstage managed to null a lot of incoming damage, and saved my skin more times than I care to admit.
Zell was using my 5* Inferno Fang, the 5*+ Sephiroth's Coat, and the Cowl of Gilgamesh, giving him a total of 400 base ATK.  After Shout, he was doing ~5200 with Tempo Flurry, and 8305 (with small amounts of variance) using Piercing Strike.
Laguna used Power Break once for every four Blind Shells.  He was able to pump out a respectable amount of damage himself.
Irvine was the Support bot, alternating between Full Break and Magic Breakdown, which helped keep Bahamut's Tornadoes sane.

At least this was proof to me that, assuming I don't need a Wall to stay alive, bringing Piercing Strike to the Fragment Ifrit fight (I refuse to call it Mote Ifrit) is actually viable!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 25, 2016, 03:50:52 PM
Yeah, Cid Mission Ultimates.

Propagators

L80 Rinoa (Shiva R5/Valefor R5 - Devotion)
L80 Edea (Memento Mori R3/Dark Zone R3 - Mako Might)
L80 Quistis (Blizzaja R4/Magic Breakdown R4 - Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L70 Irvine (Full Break R3/Power Breakdown R4 - Rebel's Might)
L80 Selphie (Curaja R5/Blindga R5 - Healer's Prayer II)

RW: Keeper's Tome

Yeah, screw physicals, mage meta all the way. Lack of Lulu focus did hurt the offensive potential on the fight some, but when your least impressive damage is AoE 9.5k off a 3*, you know you're not faring too badly. I spread some lightning res equips around to stack with my utterly loaded RES gear on FF8, which made the general offense in the fight just not scary at all. Keeper's Tome let me bring Blindga on Selphie to cover a medal condition and Magic Blink trivialized the losers further, while Angel Wing Quake guaranteed the other medal condition. No medals lost, no S/Ls, no real effort.

Bahamut

L70 Seifer (Magic Lure R2/Full Charge R3 - Lionheart)
L70 Irvine (Magic Breakdown R4/Full Break R3 - Rebel's Might)
L80 Rinoa (Valefor R5/Maduin R5 - Devotion)
L80 Edea (Memento Mori R3/Dark Zone R3 - Mako Might)
L80 Selphie (Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Cetra's Destiny)

RW: Focus (Lulu)

Did you know that Cetra's Destiny makes even the dinky shared AoE heal near Cura-level in potency without synergy weapons? Yeah, neither did I. It's a very solid RM for Cid's Missions. This said, in this fight it wasn't -that- helpful, since Megaflare spam off 650 speed meant Edea died near the end anyway. This said, the offense was simply -amazing-: post-Inaugural Parade and Focus, Rinoa was shaving off 16k of Bahamut's health per Valduin swing. Irvine's DEF/RES breaking SB broke this down further to 18k. Edea herself lobbed off 19k per Dark Zone and, until Bahamut got all AoE happy, Seifer downright trivialized his offense and status with Magic Lure+Bolt Armlet. Lost one medal on damage because of the aforementioned Megaflare spam when Hastega was down (Edea MND is just ten kinds of awful and I have no FF8 rods to alleviate that. FF8 thrown weapons offer -no- mind either), but otherwise, pretty decent, would mage meta again/10. Also, Bahamut's physical is kind of worthless, not even worth bringing Protectga for.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 26, 2016, 12:47:13 PM
Cid Missions complete! Both done in one try. I think this set of bosses might be kinda easy. I guess Fragment Iffie is to make up for that?

Well, one caveat. The game saw fit to give me Irvine's SSB gun on my 100-gem pull. I cannot overstate how great this SSB is for these bosses. MT/ST Slow and Blind + SSB-level damage can pretty much neuter everything it touches.

Also, I now have all of Irvine's SBs. And Edea's. But none of Selphie's. Weird game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 27, 2016, 03:30:51 AM
Fragment/Mote Ifrit: OW. That's not happening quite yet.  I've got no ice SBs worth using and my A team can barely get through a quarter of his life before wall wears off.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 27, 2016, 03:39:12 AM
Mastered Mote Ifrit with my A-team after an effective game over to rearrange my team. Holy shit they weren't kidding about this fight. You can even make his defense-subject damage pretty dinky with enough mitigation (Meteor was hitting for 400 post SG/Shellga/Cleansing Strike/FB/MBD/Soothing Light), but so much of his damage is ITD (the Flames and Hellfire, and he's very fond of spamming the former while using the latter often enough to be a threat, so you can't even dream of forgoing fire resistance) and he's so damned sturdy he can very realistically run you out anyway. My first attempt ended in failure due to me using Tailwind instead of Shout once due to my party being severely battered, which ended up not helping because Haste and ATK UP both ran out, spelling doom to my team. Second attempt at least went more smoothly, but I ran out of both Blizzaga and Blizzara Strike -and- of a full Lightning SB bar. Also burned through three bars worth of everybody else's SBs at a minimum and I needed -all- of them. This does signal I'm definitely not ready for the Cid Mission yet, at least. I need at least one of Dreamstage or Sorceress' Awakening to pull it off at my current power level and I have better things to save my Mythril for, like Vaan and Gilgamesh BSB banners. Oh well, the two Major Power Orbs can wait and I got started on Quistis' Magus and Beastmaster Spheres.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 27, 2016, 04:15:03 AM
Fragment/Mote Ifrit: OW. That's not happening quite yet.  I've got no ice SBs worth using and my A team can barely get through a quarter of his life before wall wears off.
hahahaha welcome to the fucking machine
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 27, 2016, 05:24:06 AM
You know the fun thing about Mage Meta is?

...Fragment Ifrit really is nothing different than what you're use to.  Oh what's that? Massive defenses?  Mages have been dealing with that for a while, only Ifrit has a blatantly exploitable weakness so it's like Mages fighting him WITHOUT the weakness...except for Darkness users.

Set Up (was going to do screenshot, but image too big thanks to new phone and gotta tweak things):

L75 Terra: Desch's Sword++, Black Hood+, *Terra's Pendant, R4 Blizzaja, R4 Magic Breakdown, Devotion, Magitek Missile SSB
*Yes, that should have been the FF8 equip but didn't matter
L72 Edea: Rising Sun, Sorceress' Crown+, Flame Cloak, R3 Dark Zone, R3 Memento Mori, Ace Striker, Inaugural Parade SB
L75 Lulu: Ice Staff (IX), Cat-Ear Hood++, Gulug Stone, R5 Blizzaga, R4 Blizzaja, Dr. Mog's Teachings, Focus SB
L77 Yuna: Wizard's Rod, Cat-Ear Hood+, Blaze Armlet, R2 Shellga, R5 Curaja, Knight's Charge, Hymn of the Fayth SB
L80 Tyro: Hyperion, Nu Khai Armlet, Gigas Armlet, R3 Full Break, R3 Mental Breakdown, Mako's Might
RW: Divine Guardian.

First off, yes, I made a 2nd Blizzaja for this fight, and honed it up a bunch; wasn't using those Ice Orbs for much anyway, and probably going to need it if I ever do the Cid mission.  Anyway, I had one reset because of bad RNG on the ATB and he basically just physicaled a bunch and killed Edea off before I could do anything about it.  Thanks to Mage Meta, you're entirely in the back row, and yes, Tyro's damage is awful and really shouldn't have bothered with the synergy weapon, but whatever.  It ultimately was a routine fight.  Open with Focus, Sentinel Grimoire, Divine Guardian, Magic Breakdown and Shellga on Turn 1.  Terra's Blizzaja's did 9999 with her Magitek Missiles doing 12k with one buff, and 16k with 2 buffs, Lulu's did 9k, and her Blizzagas late in the fight did 6500.  Edea's Dark Zones were doing 14-15k a shot, Memento Mori when recasting thanks to Inargural Parade was doing over 7k a shot itself.  Tyro...was doing a glorious 3 digit damage, but hey, Mental Breakdown boosted the other character's damage, and Full Break kind of necessary.  Yuna did healer things.

Ultimately, Terra ran out of Blizzajas near the end, but Lulu had plenty of Blizzagas, Edea died due to Doom, and Tyro ran out of charges...and the fight ended with a Magitek Missile.  It wasn't necessary because he was on the magic pixel so Lulu would ahve finished him off anyway, and Yuna had just fired off Hymn of the Fayth so even if he pulled Hellfire out of his ass, I'd survive.

Again, the thing about this fight is those who were rocking Mage Meta were basically use to everything he throws at you, for all of the following reasons:

-Back Row.  This makes his basic physical far less threatening by nature.
-Mages had to deal with absurd Res as is; his is higher, true, but the jump in Res isn't anywhere near as high as the jump in defense, so Mages essentially feel a minor loss to their offense...
-...and easily exploitable weakness.  Only a handful of fighters can use Blizzaga Strike, but Mage Meta basically means you WILL be using Black Mages and thus Blizzaja by definition.  This makes a huge difference.
-Unless you are Vincent, Mages have generally much better res than fighters, which compensates for the lack of HP against a handful of his attacks.

yes, I had the trinity; there's no disputing that helped a lot, as did Lulu's focus adding an extra stackable +50% Res layer, but seeing as many who have the Trinity and rely on Shout Meta are screaming pain and torment, I can't help but feel it's the fact that I took the Mage approach that made the difference.  Not saying Mage Meta made it LOLJOKE worthy, but it honestly felt very...routine?  Like yeah, the fight made me go all out, but nothing I wasn't already use to if that makes sense.

That said, definitely not ready for the Cid mission, though I am planning ahead.  Quistis will probably use a set up similar to Terra because, well, she can run that, so it's just losing out on Magitek Missiles which will hurt.  Edea can stay where she is, since she's still FF8, and using a set up that can't be replicated.  I'll probably field Irvine using Tyro's set up, and Rinoa using Lulu's.  I don't think Offense will be an issue but lack of native wall is going to hurt, and lack of Lulu's Focus is an extra layer of Res I don't have.  Not confident about it yet though, feel like I'll need some more FF8 relics.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 28, 2016, 02:26:06 AM
Nightmare Support Lucky Draw gave me... a Silver Barrette (yay, this could've been useful A YEAR AGO) and a Dream Harp! Yay, mage meta!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 28, 2016, 02:40:38 AM
I got Fran's Traitor's Bow, and Faris' Yoichi's Bow.  I am completely ok with this!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 28, 2016, 02:45:56 AM
Man, those were my highest-level pipe dreams for this Support Lucky Draw. Can't say I'm not happy with the results, though, Dream Harp was just behind Fran and Faris relics for my wishlist.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 28, 2016, 02:54:07 AM
I got a Diamond Pin! Not the most up-to-date hastega relic, but still a useful one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on July 28, 2016, 03:57:09 AM
This Lucky Draw gave me...  Barret's Gatling Gun and Wakka's All-Rounder.  So bad and eh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on July 28, 2016, 07:33:51 AM
Wakka's Over the Top here.  Not super useful but hey, +10 strength.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 28, 2016, 01:21:03 PM
SURPRISE DOUBLE GYSAHL WEEK WITH MORE MYTHRIL, 4* MOTES AND FFX FREE 5* WEAPONRY. Good thing I'm already done with the Support Nightmare dungeons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 28, 2016, 02:56:25 PM
Lucky Draw netted me Setzer's Gambler Darts~ Yay?
Oh, and Wakka's SSB Blitzball.

I now have enough Blitzballs to field a full team of Tidus/Wakka/Jecht/Rikku. Life goals complete.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 28, 2016, 03:03:24 PM
Lucky Draw netted me Setzer's Gambler Darts~ Yay?
Oh, and Wakka's SSB Blitzball.

I now have enough Blitzballs to field a full team of Tidus/Wakka/Jecht/Rikku. Life goals complete.

But Blitz Ball teams consist of 5 players (not including the Goalie), not 4!  What I'm saying is you need a 5th for Tyro!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 29, 2016, 01:38:47 AM
That banner 1 on the next FFXIV event is likely one of the most busted things to ever show up in FFRK. Two BSBs with very potent and -new- effects (AoE Curaga+FF14 Stoneskin, nullifying 30% of damage taken for Y'shtola and the very first mage Enwind SB for Alphinaud, along with CT0 Curaja and AoE Cure commands on Y'sh and Powerchain+Ether mage abilities on Alph), an Enholy damage+elemental Breakdown commands BSB  and an ATK +50%+Guts AoE buff for Minfilia, a fast-cast+Hastega+Mag +30% SSB for Papalymo, an AoE ATK/MAG +30% + damage reflector buff SSB for Alph again... jesus christ. When THYRUS ranks in as a consolation prize, you know your banner is completely bonkers.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 29, 2016, 02:13:42 AM
Well, they need SOMETHING to compete with the Summoner Abyss Lucky Draw, which is similarly insane, what with having *4* OSBs on it, and other insanely good soul breaks like Ashe's BSB, a few Medicas, Krile and Braska's really good Faithgas, etc.    Otherwise no one is going to bother with it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on July 29, 2016, 07:31:08 AM
i built a wall

(http://i.imgur.com/tIOIDXQl.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on July 29, 2016, 07:47:21 AM
me irl (http://youtu.be/Jz8c17upEwM)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on July 29, 2016, 09:21:33 AM
Got Y'Shantila's burst.

I have so many healing options I kinda want to see how a White Mage meta would go.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on July 30, 2016, 10:58:08 AM
I'm entirely convinced at this stage that Fragment Ifrit's Cid Mission is impossible without one of Rinoa's BSB, Quistis's Mighty Guard VIII, or Edea's Inaugural Parade.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on July 30, 2016, 06:42:58 PM
I'm having trouble even with my A Team and Mage Meta teams, including Inaugural Parade, not even including Cid Mission requirements...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 31, 2016, 01:42:34 PM
HOLYSHIT MOTE IFRIT COMMAND MISSION I JUST DID IT

Setup: https://imgur.com/mUJgZWh

Death screen: https://imgur.com/WvWP8cl

Victory Screen: https://imgur.com/qt5h4cl

EDIT: Okay, for the setup. The RW is obviously Sorceress' Awakening, Rinoa's BSB. I just wouldn't have the offense to handle Mote Ifrit without it. THIS SAID, the BSB as a RW alone gives you enough firepower to eat through at least 90% of his HP. I'm not even remotely kidding. Each cast of the SB itself went for 25k and each Truespell Iceraze under Memento Mori ate about 30k HP. This is absolutely ridiculous. The long and short of it, though, is that I lucked out. Ifrit didn't start casting Hellfire until 30% HP and I never saw a single casting of Meteor (and, as we all know, Meteor x2 = gg) this run. IN FACT, this run went a LOT more smoothly than my A-team victory, which tells you people everything you need to know. Running two AoE shared heals and two healers also made all the difference from the other failed runs, in which I was trying to eke out enough of a firepower/durability balance with SG to make it work. In the end, zergrushing saved the day. Holy crap, I can't believe this.

(Also, I never used Inaugural Parade for obvious reasons.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 02, 2016, 03:31:02 AM
Done with FF5 event's bonus battles. Setups:

Ultimate Melusine

L80 Bartz (Firaga Sword R4, Lifesiphon R4, Heroic Stance)
L80 Gilgamesh (Saint Cross R3, Lifesiphon R4, Pride of the Red Wings)
L65 Faris (Magic Breakdown R4, Full Break R3, Mako Might)
L68 Exdeath (Firaja R4, Blizzaja R4, Vow of Vengeance)
L80 Lenna (Curaja R5, Shellga R2, Cetra's Destiny)

RW: Shout

So, I happened to draw Yoichi's Bow on the 100-gem pull, which made this much simpler because stacked breakdowns are really good. One flee => reshuffle because I didn't realize Melusine immuned Darkness, making MM/DZ useless for the fight. Oh well. Melusine's defense actually isn't super high when she immunes elements in spite of what Dr. Mog says, so Shout meta is go. No real surprises once the necessary mitigation is up, but Melusine hit Lenna once with a 8.2k damage Blizzaja, which is frankly sorta horrifying. Mitigation stacking in this game is so silly.

Ultimate+ Leviathan

L80 Bartz (Thundaga Sword R4, Lifesiphon R4, Heroic Stance)
L80 Gilgamesh (Lightning Jump R5, Lifesiphon R4, Pride of the Red Wings)
L65 Faris (Magic Breakdown R4, Full Break R3, Mako Might)
L68 Exdeath (Memento Mori R3, Dark Zone R3, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Lenna (Curaja R5, Shellga R2, Cetra's Destiny)

RW: Shout

Hey, kids, did you like U+ Cagnazzo's water barrier gimmick? Because you get to relive it here AND keeping him from using his fuck you ITD Tidal Wave is also a medal condition for mastery! Fortunately, Leviathan's not nearly as brutal as Cagnazzo otherwise: he double-acts, but no triplecast Watera, no pain in the ass statuses and no turtling stance to deal with - oh, and he's bizarrely slow for an Ultimate-level boss. Lightning Jump was oddly good enough to keep Leviathan from casting Tidal Wave alongside Thundaga Sword, which let me freely bring Exdeath for his Kuja cosplay shenanigans (so yeah, I did a 50-myth pull on banner 1 and got Ghido's Whiskers alongside another Excalibur and an Aegis Shield). Pretty simple fight in practice, mostly about keeping on top of my healing and watching whenever Leviathan puts up his water barrier. FF5 PCs are really good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 02, 2016, 04:30:38 AM
...So, guys, remember when I said I thought that the Fragment Ifrit Cid Mission was impossible without native Rinoa's Sorceress's Awakening, Quistis's Mighty Guard (VIII), or Edea Inaugural Parade?

http://imgur.com/a/inigz

I've proved myself wrong.

Spent a lot of resources to make this work, but I'll specify my strategy here:

Irvine switched between using Full Break and Entrust.  I don't have a good Irvine Limit Break, so I siphoned everything he got on Selphie, of who I have Dreamstage for.
Rinoa cast Haste on herself, then Selphie, then Curaga forever.  Never used a SB.  Cast Haste on Quistis and Edea once the RW BSB ran out.
Selphie is obvious.
Quistis was there for the extra Magic Breakdown, and being competent with Black Magic while using Selphie's Rod.  Attunement II actually produced more damage than Vow of Vengeance, so I went with that. - It wasn't a huge increase, but still.
Edea was the main source of damage.  529 base MAG * 1.2 for Devotion * 1.3 for Momento Mori (or is it just +50% for the combination of the two?) leads to some very impressive numbers.  While Quistis was only throwing out 12K on the Truespell Icerazes, Edea was throwing out those for 32K.  Once the BSB ran out, Dark Zone was still dealing 15K damage a pop.



Ultimate Melusine

A very simple fight.  Just have different characters pack different elements, and you're good to go, really.  When I won, boss was even nice enough to drop a Major Power Orb.  Even Faris was so impressed, she dropped her RM3.

Granted, I'm also impressed at how so far Bartz's BSB is proving to be entirely worthless, especially compared to just his SSB.

Exdeath L65 - Blizzaja R4/Thundaja R4 - Grand Cross - Mako Might
Lenna L73 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Flames of War - Dr. Mog's Teachings
Krile L60 - Blizzaja R4/Valefor R4 - Calm - Devotion
Bartz L79 - Fira Blade R5/Lifesiphon R4 - Trueblade of Legend - Ace Striker
Faris L67 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Sea Lord's Broadside - Battleforged
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 02, 2016, 02:20:50 PM
Oh yeah, we also had a Support Nightmare, didn't we. Here goes the setup.

Nightmare CPU

L80 Ramza (Lifesiphon R4, Power Breakdown R4, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Tyro (Curaja R5, Multibreak R2, Mako Might)
L80 Red XIII (Launch R5, Magic Breakdown R4, Ace Striker)
L80 Fran (Dismissal R4, Mental Breakdown R4, Winds of Rabanastre)
L72 Irvine (Armor Breakdown R4, Full Break R3, Master Sniper)

RW: Leon (HotE)

Yeah, not much to it, I even used a relicless Fran solely because she could use Dismissal for the battle. I used Ace Striker to eventually get Protectga up in case I couldn't spare the SB charge for both Tailwind and Shout, but ultimately never used it because all of CPU's relevant offense is ITD. Phase 1 was simple, just spread your attacks evenly post-Shout and you'll have the CPU Bits killed in able time. Phase 2 is kinda dicey until you get the Bits to go haywire, but once you do, you can effectively stunlock the fuckers, and keeping the CPU's stats broken happens by proxy given the nature of the fight. Actually getting the puzzle pieces to work in tandem can be kinda tricky (fairly timing-dependent and things can get out of control if CPU raises both physical and magical protocols, since it's dropping balls on your head all day until you get the stunlock going. You also do -not- want to damage the Bits any more than you need to, since getting them killed is gg), but it's completely smooth sailing as soon as you get into the flow. Probably the easiest of all Nightmares when you figure out the mechanics.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on August 02, 2016, 02:47:48 PM
Skipped the FFV Cids mission because Bartz opening with two Missiles necessitated more healing than I could pump out on my FFV crew. I guess I could have played with my two shared Medica relics but meh.

DID get the CM for the FF14 event though. Setup was

ThankMrSkeltal (R4 Chain Starter, R4 Dismisal), Fran's Bow, Dragoon's Determination
Ida (R2 5* Monk fire ability, R4 PowerBD). Attunement 3
Y'shantola (Protectga, Curaga), Ace Striker
Al‥ the new female PC (Esuna, Lifesiphon), her Holy Shield SSB, Dr. Mog's
Papalimo (Meltdown, R5 Firaja), Mag+20%
OK BSSB RW

Opponents flying away continues to be the lamest mechanic. Alwhatever's SSB helped a lot with its Shout level Boostga and Guts, but the real star was Y'shantola's Burst. Holy hell that nocharge heal is ridiculous, nevermind the Stoneskin barrier. The power creep is real.

Probably gonna spend my next 50 pull on Lightning's OSB banner cuz I need 13 synergy. Def think I am good on 14 synergy, though I may pull on the Summoner lucky draw because I really want Krile's whip. We'll see.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 02, 2016, 03:07:39 PM
Missile should be fixed by equipping ID resist accessories. If you have a few major resist equips, it largely trivializes that. Remember Logres event's Sandworm?

Also, FF14's new female PC/Support/Paladin (what the hell, skillset creep) is Minfilia. >_> Alphinaud is the mage.

By the way, are you trying the new Nightmare dungeon?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on August 02, 2016, 06:51:02 PM
So...I had scrounged up 50 mithril while the ff4 event was up and my friend tries with me.

He gets 4 5 stars, 1 being kains lance.

I try.

Get 1 5 star. Edwards harp. Yay?

So...fast forward to the lucky draw.

I get....3 5 stars. Oh. Man, this has to be my luck finally swinging in the positive side of gacha rates.

2 Edward harps, 1 yoichi bow.

Come on!

I mean, the bow is great and Edward is rocking a 7 star harp now, but...

Ah well. Time to hoard mithril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 02, 2016, 07:36:12 PM
Quote
Also, FF14's new female PC/Support/Paladin (what the hell, skillset creep) is Minfilia. >_> Alphinaud is the mage.

To be fair, I wouldn't blame Zenny for a second in thinking Alphinaud is female.  He has an identical twin sister after all...which I'm pretty sure is something that is NOT suppose to happen but I won't pretend to claim I know science.  Still, it's always fun to play "spot the female" with those two in their opening scene of FF14 when their sitting on the carriage/boat right next to one another.

Also, Minfillia of all characters having a skillset creep and being built the way she is...look, RK, there's taking liberties with a character (god knows they've done this with Yuffie, Rikku, Cid Raines or basically the entirety of FF5), and then there's making shit up that has absolutely no basis and makes no god damn sense in anyway whatsoever.  Minfillia...is exactly that.  For those who don't know FF14, here's a quick parallel.  You know how Banon in FF6 runs the Returners but he himself is a complete wimp when it comes to combat?  Yeah, take that, only replace "complete wimp" with "completely incapable" because as wimpy as Banon is, he at least understands that "fighting" requires more than saying "I surrender." 

This is the character they decided to make FF14's Knight with a massive skillset creep.  That is all...


ON A DIFFERENT NOTE: Cid Mission'd Leviabeetus.  I failed once, tried with a mithril boost, still failed, decided to take a different approach, going in with Shout instead of Divine Guardian since really, it's an RNG Fest based on "does he use Aqua Breath a lot or not", honed Saint's Cross up to R3, and gave Ex-death Memento Mori since my failed attempt was a result of not having enough DPS.  That ended up working...eventually.  It's not as bad as Cagnazzo, at least, since not spamming status moves (beyond Seizure which "whatever"), he actually gives you time such that you're not keeping 3 characters on stand by, NOT shifting elemental vulnerabilities such that bad timing = lol nope...in a fight that requires you to hit two elemental weaknesses under different circumstances.  Still kind of a dumb fight with heavy RNG elements though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on August 03, 2016, 05:04:22 AM
Oh, yeah, I forgot that ID resist gear helps with gravity. Oh well, no big.

So by new nightmare dungeon, do you mean what Global calls Nightmare (Abyss in JP), or what JP just confusingly released as their Nightmare dungeons?  Regardless, the plan is to go through those while waiting at the airport tomorrow
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 03, 2016, 05:12:14 AM
The ones JP confusingly released as Nightmares, yeah. I've seen some videos and they look fairly brutal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 03, 2016, 02:11:39 PM
Wednesday's Gysahl Shop update: Major Wind, Non-Elemental and Power. Welp, there go 31k greens.

On less onerous news, Faris mastered Sea Lord's Broadside and now I can equip her for offensive synergy. Wondering if Record Diving her 3* nodes would be a decent idea.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 05, 2016, 02:36:30 AM
SURPRISE HEALING SSB BANNER OUT OF NOWHERE ohgod spent 100 mythril on this and got Seraphim's Mace + 2 Chocobo Brushes no ragrets
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on August 05, 2016, 02:42:29 AM
Got rekt on a 100 Gem draw.  Not really feeling this is worth a huge investment, albeit I have like 150 Mythril right now which is more than I've had at once since... um.  December?  Yeah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 05, 2016, 03:40:30 AM
Iunno, I had precisely zero h85 AoE heals until now and all of the banner's offerings would've been highly welcome. I was waiting really eagerly for that banner and getting it early was a great surprise. No Dreamstage, but getting two potent Medicas on realms I had nothing non-shared and a real FF6 5* rod (at 6*, even mind rods become really potent under synergy) certainly was worth the mythril. But YMMV and all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on August 05, 2016, 04:05:50 AM
Yeah, I have Vanille's Miracle Prayer so I'd mostly be trying for Dreamstage.  I also don't often bring medicas to content to start with so yeah, doesn't feel like a huge need for me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 05, 2016, 04:18:17 AM
I've been forgoing Wall more and more (I just don't like feeling myself forced to Y'shtola and/or Tyro, and I'm running all CMs so far), so Medicas gain in value quite a lot for me. But yeah, fair enough.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 05, 2016, 04:39:02 AM
Surprise Healing Banner 100-Gem Draw: Got a second Crescent Wish.  Should I have two 5* Rods for FF8, or one 5*+ Rod?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on August 05, 2016, 06:39:35 AM
100 gem Healing Staff

rip selphie forever this is my new war dance backup in case i need shout
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on August 05, 2016, 01:59:09 PM
Didn't pull.

Also ultimate Levi wrecked me.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 05, 2016, 05:13:56 PM
CM'd Melusine's face off with full medals. Leviathan'll be trickier since I can only carry two lightning moves before sacrificing critical party roles (boostga, break monkey, or healer) but I'll give it a shot.

Not pulling on the medica banner despite lacking a Curaga-level move because healing hasn't been my problem in a long time. I'm fine continuing with what I've got there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 05, 2016, 07:28:08 PM
Okay, Leviathan's not particularly tricky after all. First try, full medals. The "three lightning attacks to avoid Tidal Wave!" thing is a lot less threatening on a slow boss -- more than once I had Bartz charging Dismissal when water phase started, and I still had ample time to unload two Lightning Jumps from Gilgamesh and one Thundaga Strike from Bartz.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on August 05, 2016, 11:12:28 PM
Finished the FF14 event. U++ Garuda was pretty easy, I was way overtuned for it. By this point you'll be in possession of 5 Wind resist accessories which combined with Wall and building for defence after reaching the ATK softcap neutered her. Even her adds' suicide move didn't break 4 digits on anyone but Terra who was built for magic.

This is before getting into the fact that her big ITD attack is Magic, and she doesn't really cast other magic often, so if you have Magic Blink it doesn't even matter.

Also, since Y'shtola can use Rage I made a second one so she could put up her BSSB and the Liberty Staff's Faithga basically at will. Her BSSB is just so stupid I love it.

Preeeetty sure I have enough stuff to tackle the nightmare dungeons tomorrow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on August 07, 2016, 03:53:03 AM
23 draws on FFXI banner:

1x Ultima Sword (copy)
2x Red Hat
1x Gauntlet
1x Dagger of Resolve
1x The Ogre

um... that'll do.  I hadn't even planned to draw on this one but too sexy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 07, 2016, 04:02:52 AM
23 draws on the FFIX banner:

4x Beatrix's Thunder Gauntlets
1x Freya's Dragon Knight's Greatcoat
1x Generic Gauntlets
1x Generic Off-Banner Basilisk Claw (FF7)

...Bah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on August 07, 2016, 04:24:03 AM
44 draws

Red Cap Red Cap Red Cap Red Cap Thunder Gloves Red Cap Zidane's Burst and Freya's Super.

Fuckin' Cap.

At least Quina dropped its RM in the first fight. Support DMG Up is useful but fuck grinding FF9 dungeons.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on August 07, 2016, 08:53:43 AM
but fuck grinding

Wiinkyface emoticon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 08, 2016, 03:56:22 PM
Still moving through FFIX's event. + to +++ battles left. Once I'm done with the fights, I'll egg Quina up to 65 because I need a usable Support for the Cid Missions. At least I got its RM2 during the autobattle parts of the event. Also scored Minwu's RM2 while at it, so 'tis not bad at all. I considered pulling on the banner, but I'm already so obscenely stacked on FF9 stuff that I can't remotely justify anything besides a 100-gem pull. Besides, I'm waiting for Vaan's BSB banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 08, 2016, 08:24:11 PM
FF9 Event done for time being.

Did 100 Gem Draw and got Quina's Fork.  On one hand, fuck Quina in RK since everything that pisses me off somehow can be applied to Quina, including this weapon...on the otherhand, it's an FF9 Synergy Spear so I can still use it for Freya, who doesn't actively piss me off in this game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 09, 2016, 02:34:04 PM
So, maintenance is over and we got no QoL changes. HOWEVER:

A) We got the Thief skill rebalancing, which means now all Thief skills have 1.2s charge time.
B) Orbfest starts tomorrow, with phases such as Power, Black and Wind and Lightning, Holy and Non-Elemental. Even Ice, Summon and Earth feel welcome to me, since Earth will become a common ingredient for clutch skills.
C) We're likely getting guaranteed 5*s early.
D) We got Rikku's Dance 5 upgrade but not Celes' Knight 5? DeNA pls.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 09, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Amusingly, the update mentions Thief's Knife's Burst Commands being given the same buff as Thief Skills...even though said relic doesn't exist in Global yet...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 10, 2016, 06:48:41 AM
Ultimate and Ultimate + Cid Missions done.

Steiner L70 - Fira Strike R5/Aerora Strike R4 - Spellblade Master (THIS WAS A MISTAKE) - Thunder Slash
Beatrix L69 - Lifesiphon R4/Saint Cross R3 - Battleforged - Rose of May
Quina L65 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Dr. Mog's Teachings - Mighty Guard (IX)
Freya L65 - Dragoon Jump R3/Wind Jump R4 - Power Pulse - Cherry Blossom
Eiko L66 - Curaja R5/Slowga R3 - Knight's Charge - Emerald Light
RW: Sentinel's Grimoire

Fight got easier as I killed things, so it was actually the most dangerous at the start.  Took me a few tries to get it down, because they'd gang up on someone to start off with.

Ultimate + Mastery is kind of a question for me.

Zidane L65 - Steal Power R4/Dismissal R4 - Winds of Rabanastre - Shift Break
Beatrix L69 - Lifesiphon R4/Saint Cross R3 - Battleforged - Rose of May
Quina L65 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Dr. Mog's Teachings - Mighty Guard (IX)
Freya L65 - Dragoon Jump R3/Wind Jump R4 - Ace Striker - Cherry Blossom
Eiko L66 - Curaja R5/Rallying Etude R2 - Knight's Charge - Emerald Light
RW: Sentinel's Grimoire

So.  Eiko died at the 55% mark.  Instead of restarting, I decided to see how far I could get.  At the 70% mark, Zidane died.  At the 90% mark, Freya died.  at the 98% mark, Quina died.  Beatrix makes a clutch win with a last-ditch Saint Cross.  I didn't expect to do too well considering how long that took me.  Maybe run it a second time to get Mastery.  Then I see the Medals screen.  Out of 18 medals, I lost 1 for damage taken and 2 for Characters KOed.  Alright then.  I'll take it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 10, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
Ultimate Black Waltzes

Welp, pretty simplistic. The setup:

L80 Zidane (Lifesiphon R4, Thief's Revenge R3, Dragoon's Determination)
L80 Steiner (Firaga Strike R4, Aerora Strike R5, Rebel's Might)
L80 Kuja (Memento Mori R3, Dark Zone R3, Mako Might)
L80 Eiko (Curaja R5, Shellga R2, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L70 Quina (Magic Breakdown R4, Full Break R3, Gifted Artist, shared Protectga SB)

RW: Y'shtola SSII

All my AoE came from Zidane, Steiner and Kuja SBs, which doesn't amount for that much. But they're individually fragile, so I could just pick them off one by one with Lifesiphon spamming. I didn't bring Shout because I realized I could break the softcap with Zidane through equipment alone and Steiner could ram the cap just by hitting weakness, while Kuja's setup is self-sustaining buff-wise. No real surprises, full-medaled this. Funnily, the physicals actually hit a bit harder than the magic, but they're infrequent and ST, so whatever.

Ultimate+ Nova Dragon

Once again, not much. Setup:

L80 Zidane (Lifesiphon R4, Thief's Revenge R3, Adventurer's Dagger)
L80 Steiner (Aerora Strike R4, Draw Fire R4, Rebel's Might)
L80 Beatrix (Protectga R2, Saint Cross R3, Pride of the Red Wings)
L80 Eiko (Curaja R5, Shellga R2, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Quina (Magic Breakdown R4, Full Break R3, Gifted Artist)

RW: Ramza Shout

So, Nova Dragon's nasty AoE Gravity is only a counter to magic, while his counters to physicals -and- Psychokinesis attacks are Draw Fire-bait. And Steiner is bulky as -fuck-. Welp, that's half the problem solved. The AoE Twister interrupt also gets countered by a Medica (even a shared one with Cetra's Destiny works. On my end, I had Eiko with both her healing SBs and 530 MND, sooooooooooo...). Pretty rote fight, all things considered. Lost one medal on damage, no surprises otherwise.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 10, 2016, 05:23:49 PM
Cid Mission'd both fights, though only a clear on Nova Dragon as things went south late in the fight, and Steiner barely pulled off the kill.   Team was Steiner/Beatrix/Quina/Kuja/Eiko for Black Waltzes with Kuja replaced for Freya against Nova Dragon.

Went back in with a stronger team of Cloud/Beatrix/Mog/Arc/Ramza and mastered Nova Dragon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 11, 2016, 01:48:33 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOORBFEST

360 stamina in on the + dungeon yielded three Major Summon and a Major Earth so far. We're off to a good start.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 11, 2016, 06:25:08 PM
We're getting a SSB/BSB Lucky Draw, maybe as soon as tomorrow. The banner doesn't mention half-price pulls but it also doesn't mention a limit of one per player.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 11, 2016, 08:53:19 PM
I saw that. Not sure on what to do about it, since it's unlikely to come with a guaranteed 5* tag.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 12, 2016, 02:29:19 AM
Oh hey Lucky Draw is actually ye olde one-off half-price. Got Vincent's Shotgun and honestly I'm pretty happy with that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on August 12, 2016, 02:59:53 AM
Got Zidane's SSB and Squall's BSB. Finally a lucky draw/festival banner fixes my worst two common realm synergies for me!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 12, 2016, 03:19:02 AM
I got three - Leon's dark AoE + Sentinel, Vaan's AoE + Steal Power, and Penelo's Holy + Curaga. Nothing game-changing but nothing terrible, either. And hey, a reason to use Leon over Basch (as long as I give him Lifesiphon so he can use both moves)!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 12, 2016, 03:20:48 AM
I got...

Zack's Apocalypse (AoE Physicalx4 + Hastega)
Rosa's Artemis Bow (Curaga Medica + Magic Blink)

Not...  Bad, but would've been useful earlier I suppose?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on August 14, 2016, 11:37:17 AM
My interest in the game has relatively tanked since moving. I will still complete events but honestly since being back the game is less of an escape from a really shitty year of my life to a burden.

I kinda expected this but we'll see how long I keep playing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on August 14, 2016, 11:25:56 PM
My interest in being worn by Grefter like a pair of handcuffs is at an all time high.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 15, 2016, 02:52:43 AM
Basch MC2 event is up and I had a couple pulls planned. End result: another Survival Vest, Balthier's Capella and 3x Ashe's Stoneblade. I certainly won't complain. A L30 Stoneblade makes a competent hybrid weapon under synergy, for sure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 15, 2016, 03:05:39 AM
Only had enough to do the 100 Gem Pull.  Let's see how rect-

*Ashe's Stoneblade obtained!*

...Awesome.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on August 15, 2016, 10:29:17 AM
DLCon YOLO 100-gem gets me Vaan's Burst. The game just likes me to break it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 15, 2016, 01:57:33 PM
Tried the FF9 ultimate CM, got destroyed. Steiner was able to do decent damage with Attunement 2 and spellblade spam, but nobody else could help out much and I ran out of juice with two Waltzes still alive. Oh well. FF12 will likely go better thanks to Basch.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on August 16, 2016, 04:44:02 AM
Some masochist on reddit managed to beat U+ Nova Dragon with a team of Quina + 4 cores and recorded his winning run:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9WFJixxIO8
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 18, 2016, 05:10:31 AM
U and U+ Cid Missions mastered.

U+ completed with full medals.  Why is the U+ fight so weak to Tauntaliate?

Fun note for me: Basch dropped his RM3 right as I fully mastered the U+.  Fitting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 18, 2016, 07:26:20 PM
Cid Mission'd as well.  Tauntaliate wouldn't work on Gabranth for me in a failed run because he was spamming his MT damage after Magic Immunity; that run involved Hastega + Heavy Regen RW.  Winning run used Hand of the Emperor, and some fiddling with my skillset (giving Balthier Firaga Sword to maximize the use of his SSB for example)

Also, since I didn't say it, Lucky Draw got me ANOTHER Alberdan, and Vivi's SSB.  Hard to really get excited since I already had the former and I really don't need FF9 Mage gear, and as discussed at DLCon, it's really hard to find a place for Vivi in my Mage Meta team, and it was gotten right after an FF9 Event anyway (not that it'd have helped me too much, seeing as that event's Ultimate fights hated Mages)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 18, 2016, 09:11:57 PM
Speaking of Cids, the next JP event is an FFT event with TG Cid and he's appropriately bonkers just based on relics. He gets an OSB that adds a 25 second "Thundergod" effect that reduces all charge times by 66%, and even if you don't have the relic it appears that you can start with that effect through his RM3. The downside is that all his SBs have long charge times.

And then at the end of the month there's going to be an FF4 event that debuts....Cid! About damn time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on August 19, 2016, 07:58:46 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/j5PNJHwl.jpg)

i tried
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 19, 2016, 11:36:22 AM
I don't know how you'll survive with just an AOE penta-break and en-holy SSB, but kappas carry on.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on August 20, 2016, 07:08:03 AM
Always pull on FFT banners.

https://imgur.com/9CWneyc

Agrias BSB, new Musty Full/mind Break SSB, and Ovelia's Regen and haste dress.

No Orly OSB but I GUESS I WILL JUST HAVE TO LIVE WITH SECOND BEST.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on August 20, 2016, 07:14:22 AM
Lol wow Agrias' Bsb is the same as Beatrix's, down to the sub attacks. WELP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 20, 2016, 01:21:45 PM
Yup. It's basically a consolation prize for people who didn't land Beatrix's BSB.

This said, did an 11x on Dissidia banner 1. Got Shantotto's Jupiter's Staff, Cloud's Guise and Y'shtola's Healer Robe. Yeah, that's good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on August 22, 2016, 01:53:02 AM
Barely squeezed out a CM victory on Gabranth with just Vaan and Penelo alive, getting the kill with Vaan's very last shot of TR. Somehow managed to get mastery too, not that it mattered since I did that with my A team earlier in the week.

Vaan- Armor Breakdown R3, Thief's Revenge R3
Penelo- Curaja, Protectga
Basch- Banishing Strike, Saint Cross
Balthier- Drain Strike, Full Charge
Fran- Power Breakdown, Full Break
RW: Divine Guardian

Vaan used up all twelve abilities but nobody else came close (Penelo used War Dance three times, everyone else died off too soon), so I didn't bother to list hones for anyone else. War Dance and Basch's default were the only SBs I used, which made it a lot harder than the FF5 CMs I pretty much curbstomped with Light of the Four + Princess's Favor + Sea Lord's Broadside + Death Claw. Gabranth's AoE got rough midway through the fight but the two most important characters managed to stay alive to the end, so I can't say my luck was all that bad in the end.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 22, 2016, 02:48:24 AM
Keeper's Volume 1 dropped, thought I'd do at least one pull on it since a number of the free relics look enticing, and I have Mithril to spare, plus I do want Lightning's Peacemaker.

Got Cloud's Organics.  Could be worse I suppose; at least it's +10 Attack for Cloud.  Trying to figure out what relic I want.  My options of usefulness are:

Leila's Dancing Dagger: Boon Clone, also FF2 Synergy which I lack
Red XIII's Diamond Pin: Lunatic High is still like the only case of Protectga + Hastega near as I can tell, and be nice to have some options in that regard
Garnet's Asura Staff: Holy Boosting can be handy for Alexander, and an extra Faithga if for whatever reason I don't bring Edea
Ashe's Demonsbane: It's an extra Mage-sword; I have Desch's already granted, but this would be in a realm that's actually useful, and on a better character to boot
Thancred's Yoshimitsu: Mostly for the FF14 Synergy, which is hard to come by.

Thinking Thancred's and Ashe's are the lowest priority right now.  Not sure if I'll do all 5 pulls in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 22, 2016, 04:07:49 AM
I did an 11x pull on the Keeper's Choice banner, got Leon's Defender. Welp, that didn't go badly. Picked Garnet's Asura Rod, since I lack FF9 mage sticks beside those damn flutes and Vivi's Oak Staff and nearly -none- of the other picks do much of anything else for me. Later on, I -might- pull again for Rosa's White Robe or something, but with Porom's Seraphim Mace, that's a pretty low priority.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 22, 2016, 04:50:12 AM
Oh yeah, also did the U+ CM last week, but posting about it on the iPhone would've been really awkward.

Setup went roughly like:

L78 Ashe: Ultros R5, Maduin R5, Devotion
L80 Penelo: Curaja R5, Faith R4, Cetra's Destiny
L77 Basch: Banishing Strike R4, Draw Fire R4, Dr. Mog's Teachings
L80 Fran: Power Breakdown R4, Full Break R3, Secrets of the Qu
L68 Gabranth: Protectga R2, Lifesiphon R4, Object of Hatred

RW: Shout

Draw Fire + Gallantry helped a lot against the physicals, really. The real big thing in the fight was Ashe being the bonafide damage cannon (with a 7* Stoneblade, she was dropping 17k damage Ultros, which was simply gross). Guilt spamming got rather rough late in the fight, to the point where it nabbed Fran, but Penelo and Ashe managed to keep things somewhat honest with their healing SBs (Penelo ran a shared Medica, but that's good enough with Cetra's Destiny). Maelstrom's Bolt was also damned legit damage off that setup and, once he had the gauges for it, Gabranth really helped keeping the low HP phase short (Enrage runs off a whopping 9.1x mult post-Endark, it's seriously scary considering it's just your run off the mill SB).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on August 22, 2016, 03:44:09 PM
Lucky draw got me lenna and aurons supers.

Still no bursts yet!

Doubt I'm pulling on this keepers choice banner. They all look crappy to me.

Ashe sword ia the only semi interesting one, but pass for now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 22, 2016, 04:32:41 PM
I'd also like to remind you that Delita's premiere event is coming this Thursday. So yeah, if you're hoarding Mythril for a favorite, that's likely where to pull.

This said, I felt tempted by Maduin's Horn and some more synergy filling to pull again on the Keeper's Choice banner. Landed precisely Maduin's Horn and a second Peacemaker, picked Leila's Dancing Dagger. That and Leon's SBs should be enough to make the Cid's Missions not a complete nightmare, at least, especially since the CMs will -also- include a Mote Dungeon. Past that, I don't think there's anything else I'd particularly like to draw until Gilgy's BSB. This last couple weeks really propped up my mage bursting tools (SSBs for Vincent, Ashe, Terra and Shantotto, at least three of which will play nicely with Edward's Song of Swiftness. Three of them are even summoners to boot. And then, just one more month until we start getting the Chain -ga spells... yeah, I'm off to a decent start).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 22, 2016, 05:15:01 PM
Vaan and Penelo's SSBs from the lucky draw, plus having Apocalypse Shield for Basch, made the CMs a joke. Fran died to Guilt spam, but she was only really there for Full Break (Vaan's SSB being Steal Power+) and by then I was throwing out so much damage so fast that High Regen from a Divine Guardian RM was enough mitigation to keep my tankier party members alive until the end of the fight.

Party for both fights was Vaan/Basch/Fran/Ashe/Penelo, with Ashe carrying Northswain's Glow as an emergency backup medica but otherwise just hitting things with Waterja a lot.

Re: Keeper's Choice, at the moment I'm holding onto my mythril but if I get a non-medica WM move from somewhere I'll grab that Grand Armor.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 23, 2016, 03:02:26 AM
Done with Dissidia's Chaos bonus battles. Having CM requirements as lax as these in an event where you get special synergy with Dissidia heroes (i.e. I could bring Y'shtola with -full synergy-) turned the fights into a massacre. Against Jecht, I even bothered to bring Ramza even though Tidus and Ramza himself were nearly ramming the ATK softcap by themselves, but R3 Full Charge and Powerchain (thanks, Orbfest!) made mincemeat of him. Terra dropping 20k damage Alexanders was pretty ugly, too. Then, there's the Garland/Golbez fight. I decided to go whimsical, handing Terra Magic Breakdown, P. Cecil Power Break and WoL Faith for emphasizing mages, as I brought both Terra and Shantotto. Alexander, Meteor and Saint Cross made a mockery out of the battle. Next week, the curbstomping might be even -harder- due to my glut of Darkness SBs on villains, which says a hell of a lot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on August 23, 2016, 04:37:22 PM
Dissidia ultimate. Fun.

But, what a shit relic for a reward.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 23, 2016, 10:21:38 PM
I decided to see how far I could get in the U+ battle just RWing Cecil's burst and spamming the two-hit AOE without regard for mitigation. They were both under 15% HP when I died. Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittle ridiculous.

(Also, the event is bugged so RWs don't get Brave Synergy, so the entrance attack was way weaker than it ought to have been -- I might have won if it worked right.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 24, 2016, 12:04:03 AM
I suspect the Ultimates on Cosmos side will fare similarly against Garland's Burst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on August 24, 2016, 12:25:38 AM
The main difference being far fewer people will probably pull for that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on August 24, 2016, 02:10:08 AM
Celerity Lucky Draw:

2x Brotherhood
1x Force Saber (already had that)
1x Razzmatazz

Guys I think the game is telling me something.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 24, 2016, 02:11:54 AM
I got one FF6 crystal sword (4*, combined up to 4+) and 10 3*s. At least it was half price.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 24, 2016, 02:22:31 AM
I drew a Brotherhood dupe. And the last week had been going so well in terms of new toys to hand me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 24, 2016, 02:39:27 AM
I drew one 5*.

Edge's Eblan Dual Wield Katana.  I have no idea what I'm going to do with this.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on August 24, 2016, 02:52:33 AM
Only 1x 5* - Tidus' Lightning Steel. Not even a Super Soul Break that would give him stats... So useless. I already have his Burst and more FFX synergy swords than I can use. I guess it boosts Thunder damage? That might come in handy in some really niche case?

Well, at least I know what I'm using as a Rosetta Stone first when the great culling happens.

Dissidia Chaos Ultimates were thrashed far too easily, but I actually have a lot of good SBs for the series main characters, so that's not too surprising. Can't wait for that Fragment Ifrit to come back and make my equipment look useless again...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on August 24, 2016, 03:06:58 AM
Got Force Saber, just in time to make BFA Cid Mission even more of a joke.

Kinda odd timing, since the last Lucky Draw just gave me Squall's BSB and Zidane's SSB, so suddenly I got relics for the main characters of 8-10 in consecutive Lucky Draws. Not that I'm complaining, mind you!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on August 24, 2016, 03:16:23 AM
Got edges inferno super katana. Other then the Stat boost, his first relic with the stun seems better.

Ah well. More ff4 synergy!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 24, 2016, 04:07:31 AM
Inferno deals nearly double the damage and it's also instant, so it actually depends on what you want. Regardless, it's a pretty danged good Super Soul Break. Too bad Edge can't use Lifesiphon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on August 24, 2016, 04:33:20 AM
celerity blank

t h a n k s
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on August 26, 2016, 02:46:35 AM
New Tactics event drops!
But it's still orbfest, so it barely counts. Also ew is this the worst banner since like the last FF7 one?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 26, 2016, 03:34:06 AM
In JP news, they're getting a Secret of Mana collab (not a tie in to a new Seiken Densetsu game of some sort, straight up SoM) with a free 11 pull on the event banner.  They're all shared SB gear but one is a bracer with party small ATK up, RES up and 25% crit rate, which is basically the perfect Cid Mission item.

Also there's a random extra banner composed of only swords called Excalibur or Ragnarok, and it's hilarious how good it is.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 26, 2016, 02:48:54 PM
Oddly, said banner doesn't have all Excaliburs or Ragnaroks, in particular I think Agrias' is missing from it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on August 26, 2016, 03:00:37 PM
Did my free 11-pull on the Mana banner and got a Mana Sword! I don't see it being useful at all but it's super-pretty.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/1/15/FFRK_Mana_Sword_RoM.png/revision/latest?cb=20150828070829
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 26, 2016, 04:54:29 PM
The FFT swords are on the banners for the (still-active?) Orlandu event, so I assume they weren't as high priority.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on August 26, 2016, 06:50:23 PM
Confound my luck!

Struck out on delitas draw. Not even 1 5 star.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 27, 2016, 01:28:31 PM
Orbfest is over, back to actual content again.  Got FFT, a Nightmare, and the Dissidia event part 2 drops tonight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 28, 2016, 11:04:53 AM
Unlocked the Nightmare fight, got Dissidia Part 2, FFT Bonus fights to do, and what do I do?

Pick up Garland, and then bugger off to the Sundaily to level up Hope/Garland/Delita/Ovelia/Mustadio.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on August 28, 2016, 06:25:41 PM
Hi gang.

Super serious question here.

I just got s a new phone, and I have the option to link back to my old account or...

Make a new one.

Now, it would be a super grind to start from scratch again, but my 1st account has been a serious disappointment.

I don't have any game breaking relics, I don't have any burst weapons, no relics for characters I really wanted...

So, starting from scratch would net me mithril from all the realms again.

I dunno. I'm torn. What do you guys think?

Edit: so I sat and meditated on this for a bit, and I'm going to keep my initial account.

While the mithril would be nice, it was the honing that made me change my mind.

Lali ho.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 28, 2016, 11:38:25 PM
So, Celerity Nightmare down.

Edge L70 - Dismissal R4/Leg Shot R4 - Knight's Charge - Eblan Dual Wield
Zack L67 - Lifesiphon R4/Full Charge R4 - Battleforged - Air Strike
Zidane L65 - Silence Shell R4/Blind Shell R4 - Soaring Dreams - Shift Break
Thancred L69 - Paralyzing Shot R3/Tempo Flurry R5 - Ace Striker - Dancing Edge AND Death Blossom
Tyro L80 - Curaja R5/Halting Rumba R3 - Rebel's Might (Didn't know what to stick on him, so I went with this.  Selphie's RM3 probably would've been better since I had him MND-specced for the Stop, though) - Freaking CELEBRATION GRIMOIRE.
RW: Shout

So, this one took a few tries.  I'm tempted to Shout at the start of the fight, but instead I have everyone except Thancred and sometimes Tyro use their physical - Thancred uses Paralyzing Shot, and Tyro pops a Curaja if someone got hit.  Eventually the first Tonberry goes down, though I have to mess with things a bit to make sure Tyro had a turn queued when this first one died.

Part 2 is when Tyro having a turn queued meant he could use Halting Rumba almost immediately.  So I do that, and still am saving resources here, though I pop a Shout halfway through this wave.

Part 3 is when it gets dicey, but Tyro's opening Halting Rumba hit all three to start with, and then the next one hit at least two of them, so I managed to control the fight from there and still save most of my resources.

Part 4...  Yeah, that's a damage race.  Between Edge's leftover Dismissals and Zack's Air Strikes, the boss wasn't getting a lot of turns, and while Junk was an MT 2HKO to my entire party...  Celebration Grimoire healed it all away.  Twice.  Thancred got the finishing blow with his last Tempo Flurry.

Lost one medal for actions and one for damage, but eh.  Fight's done now, and I mastered it.

EDIT: As an after fight thought...  I want to say that this is one of the hardest Nightmares so far.  That or I was just really underleveled/underprepared for it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 29, 2016, 12:41:25 AM
Underprepared. The first three stages of the fight get pretty much blown up by a R3 Halting Rumba off decent MND (i.e. just bring Tyro with white mage gear and go to town).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 29, 2016, 02:57:33 AM
100-Gem pull gave me Delita's Main Gauche.  I'm sure I can slot in DEF/RES Breakdown somewhere...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on August 30, 2016, 02:32:38 AM
Been clearing out the Nightmares, after spending all of them since Combat clearing out the rabble but ignoring the big dog.  Just Evrae left... which will probably remain true because I just do not feel like running that fight without some sort of offensive SB.

Celerity was an odd one.  Relevant details:

Tyro (to dance)
Locke (Valiant Strike)
Zidane (Stellar 5)
Tidus (Abe's All-Star)
Shadow (Shadow Fang)

I don't think Nightmares are supposed to melt like that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on August 30, 2016, 03:38:44 AM
Drew again on Orlandu's OSB, got another Medicaga so will never fail another FFT event basically ever again. No TG mode but oh well.

The last Tyro's Selection banner has enough cool shit in the lotto that I'll probably use my next 50 mythril on that. I took the free secret of mana event pull and got some weapon I'll never use again and will probably just use it as a Rosetta stone.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 31, 2016, 12:20:23 PM
Okay, I know U+ Golbez/Garland were kind of a joke, but they went too far in the other direction with the Cosmos side. I can either RW Wall and run out of offense or RW for offense and watch my whole team die in three turns despite stacking four layers of mitigation.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 31, 2016, 01:04:23 PM
Kill Cloud first. Running Drainga/Darkra and MM+DZ also go a long way, you want to exploit that Dark weakness and DZ/MM are a very solid investment in general anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 31, 2016, 01:12:50 PM
SOOOOOOO, the subreddit just datamined this (https://out.reddit.com/t3_50gslo?url=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FhvCvnJD.png&token=AQAAM9bGV-MOPOKZRKnFqy3gKnipJPHofnklMg2sbIerIyCCu7w9) and this (https://out.reddit.com/t3_50gtcp?url=https%3A%2F%2Fffrk.denagames.com%2Fdff%2Fstatic%2Flang%2Fww%2Fcompile%2Fen%2Fimage%2Fgacha_series%2Flineup_image%2F6004.png&token=AQAAM9bGV7m-RI6hHPS9qp2CnRWIXPl4Bz1NySXep5-ZL1_J7mjH).

The first actually covers some of my main synergy holes pretty well, but the buff relic draw is the easiest skip in my life in spite of the absurd overall quality (Shout? Divine Guardian? Apocalypse Shield? BOTH SG AND THYRUS? Only real dud there is Vincent's Shotgun, they probably should've put Edward's Dream Harp there instead). Gogogogo having 4/6 of that banner -and- having Leon's AS equivalent. DeNA is really hellbent on draining all the Mythrils before guaranteed 5*s arrive.

EDIT: I also feel kinda bad for the people who chased Shout on FFT's current event too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 31, 2016, 01:42:32 PM
Yeah the only item I have from that banner is Platinum Shield so I will be pulling like there's no tomorrow. 5* guarantee or not, there's never going to be a better shot at the Big Three relics again. By contrast I'm skipping the Lucky Draw because while FF13 is easily my weakest main-series realm outside of 1, 2 and 3, the other two on that list are far and away my strongest. I'd rather save the mythril for another chance at Shout/Wall/DG.

(Also, ahahahahaha "Kill Cloud" you're adorable. If I could do that I wouldn't be in this bind. MM/DZ is tempting since it'd see some use down the line on a mage team when I finally put one together, except I need Kefka to carry Enveloping Etude in this fight so I can't actually bring the combo.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 31, 2016, 01:54:35 PM
Yeah the only item I have from that banner is Platinum Shield so I will be pulling like there's no tomorrow. 5* guarantee or not, there's never going to be a better shot at the Big Three relics again. By contrast I'm skipping the Lucky Draw because while FF13 is easily my weakest main-series realm outside of 1, 2 and 3, the other two on that list are far and away my strongest. I'd rather save the mythril for another chance at Shout/Wall/DG.

FF12 synergy is my -bane- even after getting Ashe's excellent SSB and a couple stragglers (Capella and Gabranth's Hauberk) from the last event, so I'm picking any opportunity I can to shore it up. My FF5 synergy is decent, but there are some really glaring holes in it (no Medica/Hastega, rather poorly equipped for mages) and my FF13 synergy, while very functional, is pretty outdated by this point (also, absolutely no magical SBs worth noting). It'll also be an actual legitimate shot at Hope's Ninurta and Fang's rather good debuffing SBs, since I'm not pulling on Raines banners. I guess there's Overture too, but eh.

Quote from: Shale
(Also, ahahahahaha "Kill Cloud" you're adorable. If I could do that I wouldn't be in this bind. MM/DZ is tempting since it'd see some use down the line on a mage team when I finally put one together, except I need Kefka to carry Enveloping Etude in this fight so I can't actually bring the combo.)

Who else do you have on your lineup for the fight? I'll be honest, if you can carry DZ/MM R2 with one of Kuja/Exdeath/Edea, -even relicless-, they will do better than most non-synergy people even with SBs running. That's just how good the combo is (at R2 for both, that'd be around 100k total damage off a single PC, which is just crazy).

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 31, 2016, 01:58:55 PM
Just the utility chars I need to be able to survive: Eiko for Hastega/Medica, Faris for breakdowns and AOE offense break, Mog for Multi Break and AOE high regen. If I give Mog Protectga instead of an offensive move to pair with Multi Break he can't renew the buff ever and I die. If I ditch any of them for DPS, Cloud's AOE spam deals four digit damage per shot and I die.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 31, 2016, 02:11:20 PM
Considering what I could read off Kongbakpao's skill lists, would I be wrong in assuming that Cloud is mostly shut down by Tauntaliate strategies?  Even then, Terra also gets spoiled by Runics, so if you have one of those available, that's your ticket.  Or a DG RW that way, and just hope that Cloud never uses Blade Beam/Spin Drive.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 31, 2016, 02:15:12 PM
I'd skip the CM entirely in your case. With Apocalypse Shield, you can probably prop up your physical offense to good enough levels (since it stacks with Sunbath) -and- solve the Protectga issue to some degree without ditching Mog's current setup. Also would make Faris offense more relevant. Though... is your Faris Breakdown SB Kindred Spirit or Sea Lord's Broadside? BY THE WAY: Leon's SSB may be useful there, since, in addition to its Dark-elemental damage, it draws both ST physicals and magic (no RES buff, but his DEF buff is SG-level and magic mitigation covers the hole on the effect).

Considering what I could read off Kongbakpao's skill lists, would I be wrong in assuming that Cloud is mostly shut down by Tauntaliate strategies?  Even then, Terra also gets spoiled by Runics, so if you have one of those available, that's your ticket.  Or a DG RW that way, and just hope that Cloud never uses Blade Beam/Spin Drive.

Once Cloud hits limit break mode, his offense gets way too AoE-happy and he even gets a NAT physical -in addition- to Blade Beam, so it only works okay on the phase where he sucks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 31, 2016, 03:39:06 PM
Broadside. Never leave home for a multi-opponent  U+ fight without it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 31, 2016, 03:48:08 PM
Broadside? Man, that stacks with both Breakdowns and Full Break, it completely mangled Leviabeetus on the last FF5 CM for me. I'm pretty sure you won't have any trouble if you slap Basch with AS + Leon with Lifesiphon to spam Cloud and Terra there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 31, 2016, 04:43:06 PM
You'd think, but when I brought it and HOTE and applied break/downs I still got taken apart.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 31, 2016, 04:49:39 PM
Iunno, I think the setup -should- work within a try or two even without RS as long as you bring SG as your RW. Open with Sunbath + Emerald Light, LS on both Leon and Basch (Battleforged/Ace Striker on Basch for quickly putting up AS to stack), apply Darkborn Blade as it comes up, focusing all attacks on Cloud. Hand Basch SC as well to use once AS is up.

EDIT: Tested the setup, since I can replicate it almost perfectly besides Basch's Apocalypse Shield. 

Leon: Lifesiphon/Dark Bargain
Mog: Multibreak/Shellga
Eiko: Curaja/Protectga
Faris: Armor Breakdown/Magic Breakdown
Basch: Full Charge/Saint Cross (you can safely switch Full Charge with a 4* physical ability of your preference)

It worked first try, though the first few rounds are indeed a bit touch-and-go. As long as you have one R4 Lifesiphon on Leon and at least R2 Saint Cross on Basch, you'll have the resources to close the deal (Darkborn Blade just deals -so much damage-). I also handed Dark Bargain to Leon, but that can be left even at R1, I only used it twice. I also handed Battleforged to Leon so I could juggle both HotE and Darkborn Blade until reaching a stable battle flow (which... is likely a good idea anyway, the idea on the setup is having Darkborn Blade be the bulk of your offense).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 31, 2016, 07:25:38 PM
Darkborn Blade is in fact fucking ridiculous when it hits weakness.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 31, 2016, 07:38:43 PM
Yep. *Darkborn Blade.* *9999.* *9999.* *9999.* *9999.* *9999.* *9999.*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on September 01, 2016, 03:59:51 AM
Beat the Cloud + Terra fight with:

L65 Kefka - R3 Memento Mori, R3 Dark Zone, Devotion
L80 Sephiroth - R3 Dark Bargain, R3 Full Charge, +katana damage
L80 Faris - R4 Magic Breakdown, R3 Full Break, +bow damage
L80 Y'shtola - R4 Drain, R2 Shellga, Mako Might
L80 Lenna - R4 Curaja, R2 Protectga, Dr Mog's Teaching

SBs used were Sea Lord's Broadside, Stoneskin II, and Princess' Favor. Seph had Hell's Gate but never used it, Kefka had better things to do than waste turns on shared SBs. Drain did almost no damage but helped refill Y'shtola's SB gauge. Kefka had 14s left on his doom timer when Faris got the kill, so it was a reasonably comfortable win despite 2 characters who did zero damage and one who didn't do a ton.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 01, 2016, 04:17:23 AM
My own setup was largely steamroller central, mostly due to me having multiple synergy PCs with Endark SBs.

L71 Kefka - Heathen Frolic Sarabande R4, Enveloping Etude R1 (Gifted Artist)
L80 Exdeath - Memento Mori R4, Dark Zone R3 (Devotion)
L80 Edea - Waterga R5 (meant to slap Waterja, but derp. Never used it), Drainga R4 (Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Kuja - Curaja R5, Shellga R2 (Healer's Prayer II)
L80 Sephiroth - Dark Bargain R3, Full Charge R3 (Heroic Stance)

RW: SSII

Yeah, not much to say. Edea's Inaugural Parade kept offense at a pretty stable minimum of 9999 a pop on pretty much everything but Sephiroth's Full Charge, which was honestly kinda disappointing given its charge time. Not even sure if Exdeath used all his DZ charges. Running this fight without Wall is insanity, though, there's way too much AoE and Cloud damage ramps up rather fast.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on September 01, 2016, 05:51:41 AM
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 02, 2016, 02:06:36 AM
100-Gem Draw got me Hope's BSB.

Did I win?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on September 02, 2016, 03:06:21 AM
Not as good as getting Vaan's BSB on the 100-gem, but still pretty much winning, yes. ;)

Finally took down Terra/Cloud. Holy crap Leon's SSB is broken-good for that fight, thank you for the suggestion, guys.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 02, 2016, 02:11:34 PM
Okay, before the Dissidia event ends tomorrow, I decided to run Terra/Cloud once more with Shale-friendly setups, CM-style. This one was a fair deal tougher, but it worked out within a couple resets:

L80 Sephiroth: Mirror of Equity R2, Full Charge R3 (Heroic Stance). Worth noting that I used only four shots of Full Charge here, so running it at R2 is viable. Dark Bargain is also a more damaging, but less safe alternative to Mirror of Equity.
L71 Kefka: Memento Mori R4, Dark Zone R3 (Devotion). R2 Dark Zone is enough to kill Cloud, but having an extra 40k to drop on Terra isn't a bad idea. I wouldn't recommend trying Memento Mori below R2 (ideally, it should be R3, even), you want Kefka to not be dead weight later in the fight.
L80 Leon: Magic Lure R2, Lifesiphon R4 (Dr. Mog's Teachings). This drops Leon's damage considerably (DBB goes from dealing 9999 x3 to 6k x3, roughly), but I found Terra to be a lot more vulnerable to Magic Lure while at high HP than Cloud is to Draw Fire at the same threshold.
L80 Faris: Magic Breakdown R4, Full Break R3 (Battleforged). Same as before. Faris getting to her SB earlier is good.
L80 Eiko: Curaja R5, Protectga R2 (Mako Might). Yeah, Cloud's offense is actually more dangerous due to his Limit Break stat buff, so Protectga it goes. Every time I tried this party with Shellga, he eventually overwhelmed my PCs.

RW: SG/SSII

Same general strategy: open with Emerald Light and Hand of the Emperor, follow with Protectga and Magic Lure, hyperfocus Seph/Kefka/Leon on Cloud, have Faris spread breaks (Cloud first) and try to survive until Spikes is dead. Terra just isn't too scary until she gets low on HP, at which point Holy is her scariest offering, but at least it can be Magic Lure'd. Dunno if Shale cares about the CM at this point, but I think he can make it work.

EDIT: JP will get a FF1 event next! In which we get a non-core Core and M A T O Y A! ybab, TCELES B HSUP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 02, 2016, 07:03:02 PM
hey rkjp, i could use some mage relics

http://i.imgur.com/ND90JdX.jpg

thanks rkjp
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 02, 2016, 09:06:27 PM
I actually haven't tried the fight for a few days -- I spent the time clearing out FFT (which I hadn't touched) and mangling the Nightmare fights. Gonna go back to it tonight, first with Dark Bargain and Drainga instead of Dark Zone or Full Charge because that's a lot of orbs to spend on one fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 03, 2016, 04:42:53 AM
Cid Mission mastered! I honed Dark Bargain up to R4, gave it to Seph, stuck Lifesiphon/Battleforged on Leon so he could spam SBs like crazy, and did pretty much that.  I think I ended up using Darkborn Blade four or five times, and HOTE once. It was hitting for 7000x3 with buffs up, which was good enough to get the job done when Seph and Kefka hit 8K with their Darkness moves. Hooray! And thanks, Snow, for the kick in the proverbial pants.

Edit: I forgot the other piece of the puzzle - Mystery Veil on Kefka for a shared medica, and the FF7 freebie mittens on Seph for an extra boostga that stacked with HOTE. Probably wouldn't have pulled it out without the extra healing, if not both of them.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 04, 2016, 12:40:43 AM
I went full Chaos for Terra/Cloud myself.

Team was:

Sephiroth: Full Charge + Armor Break.  Not like Sephiroth has many options...
Kefka: High Heathen Frolic + Envoloping Etude.  Hits the condition, gets me Protectga and basically can't do anything else other than insure Terra's never at full power.  He also had Mystery Veil for the added Medica, since he was using a Fairy Flute++ w/ Synergy, his mind was actually competent despite having the 2nd lowest Mind in the game after...
Edea: Existed for Memento Mori + Dark Zone.  I should have given her Mako's Might for Hastega, but whatever.
Kuja: Played White Mage role; he had the FF10 Royal Scepter for an added Medica since i figured 2 Cure-level Medicas should compensate for the lack of a Cura+ level one.  Had Shellga + Curaja, also could use his En-dark Soul Break to do damage once in a while if I didn't need healing.
Golbez: Dark Bargain + Saint's Cross.  With synergy on everything, Golbez is actually competent as a physical PC with this set up.

Can't remember what my RW was, probably Sentinel Grimoire.  Toughest part of the fight was just insuring I can kill Cloud before he does too much damage.  Taking Terra down first runs the risk of her in Weak phase + Cloud in Limit phase; since Cloud wasn't HP dependent, he was the obvious one to kill first.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 04, 2016, 02:33:21 AM
The buff banner is up! My first and probably only 11-pull produced SG and Thyrus, so....yeah. That'll do.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 04, 2016, 03:29:51 AM
Welcome to the double-Wall club. We have future-proofing for multiplayer and cookies. And Nightmare mangling too, if that's your thing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on September 04, 2016, 03:50:21 AM
Holy shit we had cookies this whole time and no one told me?!

reckt on a 100 gem draw.  Not sure if I'll do anything else with it.  Chasing the platinum dragon is fun but having two relics on the banner plus a duplicate of one of the SBs makes it pretty hard to draw on but damn man.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 04, 2016, 03:52:32 AM
The cookies were in your heart all along. You should probably see a doctor.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 04, 2016, 05:37:22 AM
http://i.imgur.com/KXpXkdj.jpg

help i'm not used to global not screwing me
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 04, 2016, 08:23:42 AM
Hmmm

Shotgun and thyrus as well.

Not really sure I'm content, yet.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 04, 2016, 09:20:29 AM
Rect on the 100-Gem for the buff banner, but...  I already have Shout/SG/SS2.  While the other stuff would be nice, I don't really need it, so I think I'm going to skip pulling on this one.

EDIT: That said, I am EXTREMELY tempted to 11-pull on the FF13 Banner 1, just for Cid's Glove.  Is it worth it?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 04, 2016, 12:08:55 PM
If you HAVE to, it's also on the upcoming DU Lucky Draw.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 04, 2016, 04:50:28 PM
He casts spells like Edgar, so that's pretty boss.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 05, 2016, 02:41:08 PM
Completed Raines event's CM and that was kind of a doozy. Fucking Seraphic Ray.

Anyhow, first run with Hope and Faith on Vanille was a bust, just didn't have enough damage. Then, I went for this:

L65 Fang: Blood of the Wyvern R4, Dragoon Jump R3, Pride of the Red Wings
L80 Lightning: Dismissal R4, Lifesiphon R4, Rebel's Might
L80 Snow: Banishing Strike R4, Saint Cross R3, Charismatic Aura
L80 Vanille: Curaja R5, Shellga R2, Ace Striker
L80 Sazh: Magic Breakdown R4, Full Break R3, Dr. Mog's Teachings

RW: HotE

Yeah, dunno. Fang ended up being my clutch, Dragoon Jump just deals horrifying damage and I could stack her default SB with HotE while BotW gives Dragoon Jump actual user-friendliness. The catch, though, was that a non-BotW Dragoon Jump ended up winning the fight for me: Bioga spam left me with only Fang and Lightning alive, then Fang jumped, Lightning got off another attack, which got Raines into killing range... then he used his physical chain (which would have killed Fang in even one hit and killed Lightning in two. The chain is -four-hit-.)... and then, Fang landed, claiming the kill. I thought I'd have to do the fight again because no way I'd have the needed medals to master after losing almost the entire party, but nope, lost one medal on damage and two on KO'd units, full-medaling everything else. Dragoon master race.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 05, 2016, 05:05:15 PM
Raines event's CM party that I had:

Hope L77 - Drainga R4/Dispel R3 - Divine Judgment - Devotion
Lightning L66 - Full Charge R2/Powerchain R2 - None - Dragoon's Determination
Vanille L68 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Oerba's Boon - Knight's Charge
Sazh L66 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Caltrop Bomb - Mako Might
Fang L69 - Blood of the Wyvern R3/Dragoon Jump R3 - Pulsar Burst - Power Pulse
RW: Divine Guardian

Had a few resets due to unlucky Dazegas (sleeping Fang too early was just as bad as Vanille/Sazh getting slept), but it only took four S/Ls to get the fight down.  Everything else was pretty manageable.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on September 06, 2016, 01:18:34 AM
Cid Mission complete!

I decided to try it twice. First with my A-team for mastery then I would have less trouble with my less stellar FF13 party.

So my A-team attempt (Shout-Stoneskin-InstaBurst-HolyBurst-LightningSynergyBurst) went really quickly. He went down like a chump. So fast in fact that he never got to use Shell or Protect so I didn't get mastery! ... ... >_>;;

Tried again, Cid style, using every broken DPS combo I had. Punishing Palm/Saint Cross on Snow, Blood Dragoon Fang, ChainCharge Lightning (w Burst!), and Memento Dark Zone Raines. Plus Sazh as Healer/Dispeller/Hastega (finally seeing use!). Full Medal'd it first try with hinode's SS2 RW.

Good hones are awesome and I wish I'd invested more mythril into orbfest now.


Oh and in JP, I finally picked up an Overflow SB. Got Edgar's super-BioBlaster so now I'm all set for MT boss fights! Or poison weakness. Hmmm can't wait for the Disciplinary Trio to show up and get their shit kicked in.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 07, 2016, 02:13:28 AM
Dungeon Update and Realm Lucky Draw up! Picked up a Golden Axe for Basch and a Killer Bow for Fran, both welcome additions for CM meta. One of the best possible hauls without a single SSB for me, my FF12 synergy is slowly improving.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 07, 2016, 02:19:54 AM
So, I hope for Cid's Glove.

http://imgur.com/a/Trswo

Instead Krile becomes a permanent part of my eventual Mage Meta.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on September 07, 2016, 02:25:09 AM
Got Air Knife, Aevis Killer, and 2x Raine's Gloves (combined already because seriously, who needs two mage fists?). Former two only have somewhat niche use given my insane FF5 weapon collection, the latter will take a while for me to digest the possible uses for.

Also on a less important note I got three different 3* FFXII spears, which made me wonder why the hell DeNA thought it necessary for three of them for one realm when spears are so rare elsewhere.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 07, 2016, 03:07:07 AM
Everybody and their mom using spears on FF12 has been a long-running FFRK inside joke. I suppose they just had to start it somewhere.

EDIT: Also, someone on Reddit compiled top-of-the-pack boss stats from Celes' debut to this current event (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Klge8uLO_KZX9Gzs3VCkmIolbzGV8s0YWO3EPRBoXR8/edit#gid=0) and it's seriously an amazing piece of work. Just take a peek at the defensive spikes - particularly RES! - on the graph.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 07, 2016, 03:53:26 AM
Got Air Knife, Aevis Killer, and 2x Raine's Gloves (combined already because seriously, who needs two mage fists?). Former two only have somewhat niche use given my insane FF5 weapon collection, the latter will take a while for me to digest the possible uses for.

Darkness 5 on Raines = he can use MM/DZ easy peasy for a specialized slot on your big-name party to boost your Saint Cross/Banishing Strike spam at the very worst. If you have some more Holy-elemental SBs, even better. Tangentially, it'd also help Hope's SSB somewhat, though that's a far more fringe benefit and, AFAIK, you don't have the SBs to field a full mage party.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 07, 2016, 05:36:56 AM
http://i.imgur.com/7SA8kDk.jpg

about time
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 07, 2016, 01:22:05 PM
I waffled on pulling since I'm mostly set for FF5 and 12 synergy, but went for it because what the heck, I really need FF13 relics but can't justify 50 mythril on the banner. Result: Traitor's Bow (and a Power Glove so now I have two 4++ FF13 fists; not entirely a bust there). So I still really need FF13 relics, but now I have my first Full Breakdown move. Okay, I can live with that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 07, 2016, 01:29:45 PM
Did the 11 pull, got Snow's Wildbear!

...you may all point and laugh at me :(
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 07, 2016, 02:30:40 PM
Hay guize (https://ffrk.denagames.com/dff/static/ww/compile/en/img/event/special_908/event_intro_head_img.png)

So yeah, Mobius FF banner is translated. We're getting it for sure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 07, 2016, 04:10:34 PM
Wol have a good moveset?

I can't seem to find it online.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 07, 2016, 04:21:51 PM
Wol is kiiiiiiiinda not great.  Combat 3, Support 4, Celerity 4, Dragoon 3, Thief 4, Samurai 4. So he can use Breakdowns, Dismissal, elemental jumps, and......Samurai AOE? Retaliate? Not a whole lot of potential there, and of course as 5* and 6* abilities become more dominant he'll just get sadder and sadder.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 07, 2016, 05:47:24 PM
Combat, Dragoon 3/Support, Celerity, Thief, Samurai 4. No 5* until Shooter. He'd be a great character were he released a year ago.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 07, 2016, 10:36:37 PM
Combat 3, Support 4, Celerity 4, Dragoon 3, Thief 4, Samurai 4, Shooter 5 (won't have this one for a while)

Yeah, a crap ton of skills but no 5*s holds him back until Shooter drops.  Honestly, having played Mobius and elemental physical strikes being a big deal, you'd think he could use Spellblade and be FF1's token Spellblader but nope.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 08, 2016, 03:53:05 AM
Took my new shinies for a spin in the FF13 Mote Dungeon, and won pretty easily once I stopped underestimating the boss' offense (native Wall does not mean I don't need to triple-stack breaks). Wheee, brokenness! I should gear up for a run at Ifrit next.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 08, 2016, 12:49:26 PM
Drive bars, fill cars in the dungeon update mode. Mote Dahaka was absolutely worthless, not much else to say (*stagger.* *9999x5 with Crushing Blow.* Yeah). I'm kinda dreading the next few days because there's just -so much- to do in the near future (DU, Girugamesh BSB event, Mobius collab), making just grinding for Gysahls and orbs kinda difficult. Routine, man!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 09, 2016, 02:20:02 AM
Welp, FF5 event is up! One 11x pull nets me... Exdeath's Cuirass and Krile's Fire Lash x2. Oh wow. I'm really happy with this, but now I dunno if I should attempt pulling again. I'd still like a Burst and this isn't a bad place to start, but I got two of my big targets with this pull. Yeah, I think I'll hold on.

EDIT: I lied, did a second 11-pull, got another Cuirass, another Fire Lash and a FF14 dagger. Yeah, I guess that's enough. Also, I swapped my RW to Krile. When I master SS, I'll give her an appropriate MND weapon.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 09, 2016, 03:09:25 AM
0/12 on my pulls.  It's not my night.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on September 09, 2016, 03:29:53 AM
Two Bursts on a banner means two 11x Pulls!

First pull was a whiteout of pain.
Second pull netted me Faris' Burst so now I can shoot arrows off the back of a sea monster.

...and literally nothing else. I can't complain about a burst, but 1 out of 23 is kinda painful. (I totally suggest that Magic pull again if he can afford it, this banner is stacked.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 09, 2016, 04:04:51 AM
Rekt on a 100 gem draw, saving the rest for Celes' banner(s)  since my FF5 team is already stacked.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 09, 2016, 03:23:24 PM
Cid Mission'd the Mote Boss.  I needed to drop a bunch of eggs on the FF13 characters, and use Shout instead of Wall since my offense wasn't quite high enough without it.  Also put on genji Helm on Snow just for that extra layer of mitigation I acn toss mid-fight; it's not a lot, but every little bit helps.  Winning run, he staggered twice in short succession...total RNG win?  Sure, but I'll take it!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 09, 2016, 05:06:25 PM
Completed Girugamesh Hype event until ze bonus battles, mastered Krile's Sheepsong along the way and am nearly mastering Exdeath's Neo Almagest. Those two moves are a lot of fun, especially with a Lulu Focus RW, and I'm pretty sure I already have the tools to with Nightmare Kaiser Dragon once it drops (for starters, I now have enough mage SSBs to field a full party, and they even cover 3/4 of the endgame supremacy mandala). Also did some more DU clearing, only Draklow Labs Elite left to pillage.

Still not sure how to deal with U+ Bartz CM-style, though. In theory, I suppose I could attempt Sheepsong+hybrid Exdeath running healing+4* just so I can field SG as a roaming warrior, but it's probably not offensively optimal. GRANTED, I'm going to run Draw Fire Gilgamesh anyway, but urgh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 09, 2016, 06:24:19 PM
Wanted a burst, got sheepsong and magic blink.

I'm hearing ss is still one of the best mage meta items in game?

Does it stack with edeas magic+ soulbreak?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 09, 2016, 06:31:38 PM
It doesn't, since the buffs share the same ID. As of now, the only stackable magic buff is Lulu's Focus, but this will start to change next week with Celes' Burst (the very first AoE ATK+MAG buff). Krile's Sheepsong is -strictly- superior to Edea's Inaugural Parade and replaces it outside of Cid Missions. The main reason it is highly regarded is pretty much the same as Shout: strong offensive stat buffing + Hastega, only with the added benefit of high regen, which is a really nice perk to slap onto a supportive SB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 09, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
High Regen freaking rules, yeah. Adds up to huge healing over the course of a fight, and when you have full mitigation up it can completely wipe out a boss' damage without your healer having to lift a finger.

(It also obsoletes Edward's mage shout, so unless I luck into Celes' burst next week I'll have to figure out a new RW)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 09, 2016, 08:30:28 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ZEsopMl.jpg

i only listen to sheepcore
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 09, 2016, 10:00:17 PM
Yawn, wake me up when they put goat techno in the game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 09, 2016, 11:05:11 PM
So.  Mastered the CM for the FF13 dungeon.

Hope/Serah/Vanille/Fang/Sazh.

Forgot that the boss absorbs Ice and had Blizzaja on both Hope and Serah.  Oops.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 10, 2016, 12:20:15 AM
His elemental absorptions vary according to his current shift. Bone-Chilling Breaker and Diluvial Plague absorb Water/Ice (in fact, Diluvial Plague absorbs -all- elements), so he probably switched into one of those somewhere around the fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 10, 2016, 02:17:22 PM
Oh shit guys we're getting the vault and RW refresh on Tuesday
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 10, 2016, 06:56:47 PM
YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS

I also wouldn't be shocked if we get the next batch of events uploaded during maintenance.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 11, 2016, 05:24:58 AM
http://i.imgur.com/fKPLTKy.jpg

ff1!?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 11, 2016, 05:26:37 AM
Did another 11-Pull on the FF5 banner.

Two Fire Lashes.

So I guess I have enough to run Mage Meta with Hope/Krile/Ashe/(Edea for MM/DZ w/7* weapon or Terra for Magitek Missile)/Y'shtola.

Now I just have to wonder if I can build gauge fast enough with Krile to be able to alternate between Sheepsong and Unspoken Bond, because MT Fast Cast 3 seems like it'd be useful more often than not.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 12, 2016, 12:44:19 PM
UPDATE: Even with native Wall, Ifrit is still a huge pain in the ass.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 12, 2016, 12:50:08 PM
Did you get the clear?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 12, 2016, 01:07:04 PM
Nope. It'd take too much S/L to get all my mitigation up without him killing anybody (Closest I got was him using Meteor while Fran was charging Mist Overload), and I have other things to do this morning.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 12, 2016, 01:37:42 PM
Anyhow, did the bonus battles on Girugamesh event. Sheep master race.

Ultimate Omniscient + Minotaur Setup

L80 Krile: Bahamut R2/Valefor R5, Dr. Mog's Teachings
L80 Cait Sith: Halting Rumba R3/Multibreak R3, Mako Might
L80 Ashe: Alexander R5, Maduin R5, Devotion
L80 Exdeath: Meteor R3, Dispel R4, Ace Striker
L80 Relm: Curaja R5, Shellga R2

RW: Lulu's Focus

I honestly should've brought Protectga instead, but this wasn't a big deal. Halting Rumba keeps Omniscient completely harmless, so I didn't have to worry about him at all. Minotaur's AoE counters kinda hurt when they happen, though. I should have brought Ixion instead of Alexander, I forgot Minotaur absorbs Holy, but otherwise no big deal - they're individually sorta frail and Focus+Sheep Song make even 9x mults hit like a freight train. Also of relevance is the fact that Minotaur can't counter summons! So yeah, asplosions happen.

Ultimate+ Bartz setup, CM

L80 Krile: Valefor R5/Maduin R5, Dr. Mog's Teachings
L80 Faris: Full Break R3/Power Breakdown R4, Mako Might
L80 Exdeath: Memento Mori R4/Dark Zone R3, Ace Striker
L80 Gilgamesh: Banishing Strike R4/Draw Fire R4, Dragoon's Determination
L80 Lenna: Curaja R5/Protectga R2, Cetra's Destiny

RW: Y'shtola's Stoneskin II

Where do I begin? Oh yeah, I seriously lucked out because Bartz' first two turns were spent on basic physicals, so getting everything up wasn't a complete mess, and both Gilgamesh and Lenna started with the ATB gauge near full. Once all the basic tools fell into place, it was smooth sailing: under Sea Lord's Broadside, breaks, Protectga and SSII, Bartz' damage was so sad that High Regen healed most of it without much fuss. The offense wasn't amazing, but functional enough (Krile's summons went for 9.2k a pop, Exdeath's DZs went for 12k before Dark Earth Shaker). Speaking of Dark Earth Shaker, having both it and Neo Almagest seriously paid off: late in the fight, the offense boost was very welcome and a 25k Neo Almagest by the end sealed the deal. ID resist accessories to trivialize Blue Mage: Missile were also pretty clutch - in theory, the counters could've been seriously scary, but in practice lol it only ever hit twice because Krile's 50% res fumbled. I'm honestly not sure I'd be able to pull this off without Sheepsong and Exdeath's nuking arsenal, but with it, everything was smooth sailing. Once again, sheep master race.

EDIT:

Nope. It'd take too much S/L to get all my mitigation up without him killing anybody (Closest I got was him using Meteor while Fran was charging Mist Overload), and I have other things to do this morning.

He -opened- with Meteor? That's a turn 8-9 unlock if I remeber his AI patterns right. Regardless, my best advice there would be running a Darkness mage with Memento Mori and Rinoa's BSB, using that mage to spam the BSB's Ice command UNTIL. THE END. OF TIME. That was responsible for about 90% of the damage dealt to Ifrit on my CM mastery run. Doesn't help you with the opening turns, but there, only fire resistance accessories can even remotely help you. That feels absolutely mandatory against him. And, worst comes to worst, you can always try him next month. Or the next after that. The fucker withstood about six months worth of power creep.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 12, 2016, 02:00:09 PM
Yeah, the problem with running three mitigation SBs (in my case: SG, Cleansing Strike, Mist Overload) is that you have to pick one to build up the old-fashioned way. MO is by a small amount the worst bang for the buck among those three for damage reduction, so Fran gets the short straw. (Also, yeah, everybody has moderate or major fire resistance. I liked seeing Firaja!) I'm tabling the fight until I can draw on the FF6 banner and hopefully get Celes' burst, but if I strike out I'm following some Sorceress' Awakening RWs for exactly this reason.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 12, 2016, 02:30:18 PM
Well, I assume you also need a Hastega there, so you'd be running both SG and the hastega first. At least you can slap Lifesiphon+Battleforged on Agrias. REGARDLESS, the Ifrit fight is the roughest contest we have had since ye olden days of Rinoa's Parade Float. It took me a few tries to pull it off even with my A-team. At least, we haven't had a power spike like that again... yet.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on September 12, 2016, 04:47:15 PM
Speaking of Ifrit...

Even with my A-Team, that took 34 resets. Those opening rounds are annoying, sometimes (like 40% of the time?) he'll just focus on one PC and down they go before I can get up any Walls, Protectga, Full Break. He's too fucking fast. I finally managed to pull it off by switching in both Y'Shtola AND Tyro, both with Walls and Medicas. Also, I had Ramza with Shout and Tailwind. And Edea with her Ice SSB and MM/DZ combo. And fuck it, Vaan's BSB for excellent mitigation and insta-cast high-level damage. I feel like I used every cheap trick in the game, and it STILL felt like punching a brick wall. What an asshole.

So yay, fragments~

Cid Mission just doesn't seem feasible without Selphie's SSB or Rinoa's Burst in addition to my Edea Hastega. Or like... RNG luck of the gods.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 12, 2016, 04:49:47 PM
Well, I assume you also need a Hastega there, so you'd be running both SG and the hastega first. At least you can slap Lifesiphon+Battleforged on Agrias. REGARDLESS, the Ifrit fight is the roughest contest we have had since ye olden days of Rinoa's Parade Float. It took me a few tries to pull it off even with my A-team. At least, we haven't had a power spike like that again... yet.

Honestly that might make things a bit easier on the S/L side because if I need to run a hastega I'll use Eiko's and get a cura medica in the process, reducing the chance he'll kill somebody with basic physicals in the first couple of turns.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on September 12, 2016, 05:25:39 PM
Even with Rinoa's Burst and Edea's Inaugural Parade I hung the CM up after a couple tries.  Shared medicas just weren't cutting it.  Probably could manage with a little more fine tuning but I think I'll just wait for Chain Blizzaga and see if that's the extra push.  Or if some 100 gem dumps a Selphie medica on me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 12, 2016, 07:27:27 PM
All this talk just makes me extra-glad RNG took mercy on me and gave me pretty much a perfect run for the CM.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 12, 2016, 11:01:25 PM
http://i.imgur.com/rCmuAej.jpg

huh
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on September 12, 2016, 11:20:35 PM
All this talk just makes me extra-glad I got good.

The weak point is here
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 12, 2016, 11:57:16 PM
http://i.imgur.com/rCmuAej.jpg

sheep master race
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 13, 2016, 12:36:26 PM
Datamining from the update is out:

Multiplayer is coming, as "Raids."
Guaranteed relics in 11-pulls are coming (there are translated notes for "Always at least one 5*!" and "Always at least one 5* or higher!") which makes me more inclined to save mythril than I was yesterday.
The Trial of the Five Ultimates (now "The Five Dooms") starts Sept. 25.
They translated the "first 11-pull is free!" notes that were attached to the SaGa and Mana banners. Hmmmmmmm.
OSSBs are known as Overstrike Soul Breaks. Meh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 13, 2016, 01:54:09 PM
Datamining from the update is out:

Multiplayer is coming, as "Raids."

OH YEAH BABY

Quote from: Shale
OSSBs are known as Overstrike Soul Breaks. Meh.

In fairness, "meh" is pretty descriptive of most OSBs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 13, 2016, 07:15:31 PM
Osbs....are something better than bursts?

Mind you I don't have a bssb yet. I've just used them as rw.

What's the difference.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 13, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
An OSB is a massively powerful single-hit attack (think 12X), almost always multi-elemental, that breaks the 9999 damage limit. Some of them have other effects or get bonus power if you satisfy oddball conditions (Zidane gets a powerup if you team him with female characters) but big damage is their main draw.

They also come attached to 6 star weapons, so that's nifty.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 13, 2016, 07:59:36 PM
It's more that they're the first SB tier to actually involve some balancing compared to the previous, and they're not necessarily straight upgrades compared to later-gen BSBs, often trading considerable utility for pure damage. To boot, for them to truly reach their highest potential, they need previous SB synergy and the ones with gimmick conditions or side effects tend to be weaker on base and not much stronger at max power. I think the one true exception to this is Orlandu's OSB, which is just nuts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 13, 2016, 08:08:06 PM
To be fair, is "Overstrike" really any worse than "Overflow"?  At least it keeps the abbreviation the same between both!

Also OSBs seem to be the first case of them actually being flexible and not just POWER CREEPING LOL it up.  For example, Tyro's has a cool special effect on his! ...but he has only a 10x Mult, not a 12x.  They notably didn't do that with SSBs or BSBs, instead just kept piling on new effects leading to the outdated aspect.

...except for Orlandu though to be fair, they outright stated they wanted him to be "broken" because of how he was in FFT, so that's less Power Creep and more "intentionally ridiculous."


ON A DIFFERENT NOTE:
That said, failed to cid Mission Bartz since I don't have the Soul Breaks to really compliment it with an FF5 team, and not going to bother so I'll leave the 2 Major Lightning Orbs for loss.  I did master it with a main team of just throwing Shout and SG and wailing on him a lot, which trivialized the fight providing I could get past his first two turns (basically required getting Protectga up before his first Kick, or both Protectga and SG up before his 2nd.  Once that happened, it was relatively smooth sailing)

Honestly, those opening 2 turns are the kind of bullshit I thought we were finished with in this game, since it's now "you're entirely at the mercy of the RNG!"  At least with, say, Magic, the mitigation aspects on Breaks are meaningful, so you have that many other ways to prevent taking full damage.  Bartz is physical, so Power Breakdown = oh you lowered my damage by 11%, how cute.  Or in Full Break's case, that's 8%.  In the case of Magic, Full Break lowers damage by 24%, magic cap aside (which I think very few bosses pass), which is actually meaningful!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on September 14, 2016, 02:10:44 AM
So I spent 200 mythril on the objectively worse FFV banner because it had a couple of items that have no known recurrence in the future. Also I have enough good gear/cross realm synergy now to go "fuck it, just draw for stuff I like and screw efficiency". End result:

2x Mace of Zeus
1x Ghido's Whiskers
1x Genji Helmet
1x Genji Blade
1x Ragnarok (third overall)

Got everything I wanted, plus my first 5* helmet and my second 7* Bartz sword. Questionable gacha decisions actually work out sometimes!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 14, 2016, 04:11:34 AM
So, I assume your chase relic was Lenna's Mace of Zeus.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on September 14, 2016, 11:52:14 PM
Also wanted Ghido's Whiskers for the En-Dark (way better for a Darkness mage than Holy Imperil) and Genji Blade, although I forgot the latter does recur. Third Ragnarok is also kinda nice since I can reforge it and drop a bunch of Rosetta Stones on it for 170 non-RS attack in the future, although that was more a minor bonus than something I seriously chased for.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 15, 2016, 02:07:42 AM
Got the Chocobo Brush from an 11-pull. Not my ideal draw but still one of the items I was hoping for. I really want that burst, though.....
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 15, 2016, 02:17:22 AM
Also wanted Ghido's Whiskers for the En-Dark (way better for a Darkness mage than Holy Imperil) and Genji Blade, although I forgot the latter does recur. Third Ragnarok is also kinda nice since I can reforge it and drop a bunch of Rosetta Stones on it for 170 non-RS attack in the future, although that was more a minor bonus than something I seriously chased for.

Oh, sure. Endark is really nice on Darkness mages and I don't complain about having that SB myself.


All right, two pulls on Opera Banner! First one... got Gau's Shiny Thing. Ah well, I needed FF6 hats, at least. Second one: CELES' LIGHTBRINGER. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 15, 2016, 04:01:00 AM
100 gems complete me

http://i.imgur.com/V0K5WnC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jQTjewJ.jpg
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 15, 2016, 03:43:32 PM
Done with the main course of Celes Opera Floozy event. The highlight was Terra, under Maria's Song and Sheepsong, proccing Blood of the Summoner and nearly one-turning the Tentacles on the ++ fight with Bahamut. Almost lost my medals there. Also, Celes' Burst is a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on September 15, 2016, 11:13:43 PM
OK wow it's been a while.

So I have no idea what I've talked about and what I haven't so here we go.

With the FFT event, I netted Agrias' Burst and Musty's Full+Mind Breakdown SSB. With the FF8 event coming up, I decided to level cap break Selphie and Quistis in addition to Aggy and Musty, so them + Y'Shtola have been my main team for a bit now. I've gotten Quistis' Black Magus Record Dive mastered, so she has Black 5 now and is actually kind of competent.

Also, with Rapid Fire Mustadio can actually crank out some damage and is kinda pulling his weight. The changeup in roster has been nice for my still giving a damn about the game. THAT SAID U+ fights are too much of a headache with the current setup and so my team has remained pretty static for higher difficulty stuff. 

The only SB I really would like to net now is Krile's Sheepsong, because then I'll have a triple stacked magic buff team (Sheepsong + Selphie's MAG/MND up BSB, Liberty Staff's ATK/MAG up shared), two options of OSB mages (Rinoa and Terra, and I think I netted Rinoa's enEarth SB at some point? I may be misremembering), and Hastega. With Y'shtola's healing and Selphie being able to hit as an offensive WM, I think it could be a pretty interesting team.

But anyway, aside from that... didn't bother with the Nightmare dungeon, and I've missed most of the highest difficulty Multiplayer fights due to them being too hard singleplayer and getting pubbies to melt into a good team even when I'm rocking ShoutRamza and BSBYshtola is annoying as fuck.

Recently most of the times I remember that events are over the day that they wrap up so it's kind of been a pain in the ass to get stuff done. Really just feels like chores sometimes. Still, I do have a little bit of fun with it sometimes so I guess I'll keep playing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 16, 2016, 03:22:48 AM
Gothe the ole 0fer.

Yay me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 16, 2016, 03:09:13 PM
=(

Since I'm out of data on my cellphone, I've been letting a lot of stamina waste off, but still working on mastering Maria's Song and Rage Meteor. I may start aiming for more monk weapons so I can use Gau more often, he has some fun potential on Reddit's Tier Challenge, which I started doing. I also kinda like Gau at base, to boot. Also finally got his RM2, along with Sazh. Tangentially, Celes continues to be really fun with her Burst. If she could use Lifesiphon, she'd be so ridiculous, but I'm fine with being able to hit ten billion weaknesses as is, and that's about to make a big renaissance on the game's meta. I'm pretty excited for the content in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on September 17, 2016, 12:30:36 AM
oh. orbfest.

yeah that's a good enough incentive for make me start playing all day every day again
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 18, 2016, 12:52:37 AM
It took over an hour of retrying, but U+ Bartz has been CM'd. What finally turned the tide for me was giving Draw Fire to Gilgamesh -  it was enough to neutralize Quadra Shot and the counterattacks even without retaliate, and still let him contribute on offense. RW was Lunatic High, and I had Lenna use her HotF clone on her first turn rather than try to mitigate the opening Kick. Eventually the timing worked out!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 18, 2016, 01:31:05 AM
Yeah, patching up the opening turn is the most important thing in that fight. I went absolutely nowhere on the tier challenge tries until I slapped two people with healing and handed Barret a shared Protectga to give people at least a chance to survive the second Kick.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on September 18, 2016, 02:38:10 AM
FF8 event -

meniachllylaughinganimechick.gif (http://imgur.com/NnzlOoC)

FF8 cids missions will continue to be the most fun missions for me for a very long time.

U++ Disciplinary Crew was also GGEZ. Of note, because I am a very rich man from previous agricultural endeavors, I went with the comedy option of honing Bio Grenade to R3 because it hit weakness and consistently dealt 14000+ damage to all three of them. Mustadio actually was kind of the star of the show, that full+mind breakdown MT SSB combined with Tyro's dances neutered their offence and overall this fight was just ridiculously silly.

Also took down the Multiplayer missions, actually did fairly well despite having to rely on pubbies.

Anyway with that I can focus on spending all of my stamina on Orbfest for now (the 8 event ends before the first round of Orbfest).  There's also a Dungeon Update out and during orbfest doing normal dungeons only costs half stamina. I have some mathing out to do to figure out when I want to use that to refresh stamina charges. Probably during Power/Non/Wind? Or maybe now during Black/Lightning/Dark. Don't need dark but Black and Lightning would be nice. That said I reaaaaaaaally need Power orbs. That probably trumps everything actually.

There's a lucky draw going on, half priced, got Rikku's Burst, Krile's Burst, and Cait Sith's damage/critical up instrument. The former two shore up my 5 and 10 synergy at least.

Fine, DeNA. Orbfest got me hooked again. *golfclap*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 18, 2016, 04:19:40 AM
U+ Ultros CM Mastered.

Celes L67 - Saint's Cross R3/Banishing Blade R4 - Battleforged - Spinning Edge
Mog L65 - Diaga R5/Shellga R2 - Desert Bloom - Mystic Prayer (Shared Cure Media)
Locke L65 - Steal Power R4/Lifesiphon R4 - Dragoon's Determination - Mirage Dive
Setzer L66 - Full Break R3/Armor Breakdown R3 - Mako Might - Dive Bomb
Relm L74 - Curaja R5/Protectga R2 - Knight's Charge - Portrait of Lakshmi
RW: Shout

...Gave up using Terra after a point, and just put together this Shout team.  Gimmicky, but it worked, so whatever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 18, 2016, 04:36:43 AM
So, uh, this week I got promoted at work, which comes with a 50%~ raise to my salary. Cue confetti and blowhorns, whatever have you. I was already pretty stoked about getting Celes' Burst and I liked most of the relics on this banner and hey, FF6 is my second-favorite in the series, so what the hell, let's blow some celebratory gems. I mostly wanted Setzer's Super Soul Break for challenges and Terra's Stardust Rod for waifu reasons, though I'd be happy with mostly anything besides the Thief's Bracer. Four 11-pulls later, I have a second Excalibur, a FF4 off-banner bracer and Stardust Rod. So uh yeah. I know it's a waste of money, but I was just pretty happy this week. To celebrate that second Burst and mostly everything else, I took Terra and Celes for a stroll against U+ Ultros along with Krile, Relm and Faris. Hitting Ultros for 25k per Chaos Fira/Watera -without- weakness was pretty cathartic. Now, FF6 is my best offensive synergy realm by miles to boot.

BEFORE THAT, though, there was the CM for U+:

Ultimate+ Ultros

Setup:

L80 Celes (Saint Cross R3/Banishing Strike R4, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Relm (Curaja R5/Shellga R2, Battleforged)
L80 Mog (Multibreak R3, Protectga R2, Mako Might)
L80 Setzer (Magic Breakdown R4, Power Breakdown R4, Secrets of the Qu)
L80 Gau (Powerchain R3, Full Charge R3, Adventurer's Dagger)

Hey look, Gau's Powerchain + Full Charge combo pretty legit. Running Mog to stack both attack buffs was pretty entertaining too, Celes was hitting weakness on Ultros' first three forms for 18k minimum with her Burst commands. Seriously, Maria's Song is a really fun SB. The big thing about Ultros, though, is having to constantly refresh the breaks on top of working mixed mitigation: he may use his physical stuff most often, but his magic hurts like hell and he has physical ITD AoE to boot later on. The durability ain't so hot, but the offense is quite scary. Gau was responsible for the glut of the offense, and his SSB worked as his last gasp of offense once I was out of charges. The Rage command would've been useful if only the SB itself wasn't the killing blow, but still.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on September 18, 2016, 05:44:32 AM
U+ CM:

Edgar (Drill, Saints Cross/Banishing Strike)
Mog (Heroic Harmony, Protectga/Curaja)
Setzer (Fullbreak/Magic BD)
Locke (Valiant Strike, Lifesiphon/ThiefTreasure Hunter's Raid)
Shadow (Shadow Fang, Powerchain/Dismissal)
RW: Shout

Let's play "fuck you blitz the U+".  PS we won in one try.  Not easily though: Mog went down to a 3k damage Firaga on his second life bar.  Lesson: you probably want Shellga.  More broadly either Ultros is amazing on damage even by ultimate standards or each HP bar resets his debuffs.  I'd believe either?  Setzer also went down late into his fifth life bar but uh... it turns out Shadow is kinda insane if you want damage right the fuck now.  Powerchain is good even without the Powercharge combo you guys.  I wish I had a better off-slot ability for him since dismissal is... fine and all, but that SSB is also instant so it feels so wasted to just spam Powerchains with SSBs at every opportunity.  But yeah the last time a U+ melted quite like this was the last FFIX event where I have both Zidane and Garnet's Bursts >.>

Although I wouldn't be surprised if the next FFX boss meets a similar fate.  Busting out that +20 Tidus on a CM?  That'll be fun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 18, 2016, 06:03:02 AM
Each HP bar indeed does reset his buffs and debuffs, for the good and for the bad. It's also part of why his offense is so impressive in the setup.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 18, 2016, 09:14:10 AM
Oh hey, congrats on the promotion Jo'ou.

Now let's hope we get awesome things when the Nightmare opens up later.

EDIT: NIGHTMARE DUNGEON NOW OPEN!

*Pulls handle on the slot machine*

...And out popped Tyro's BSB.  Not what I wanted, but whatever I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 19, 2016, 02:21:43 AM
Jupiter's Staff. Quick Charge sounds like fun, I'll take it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 19, 2016, 02:43:04 AM
I have that SB and it is indeed pretty fun.

Got myself Lulu's Rune Mog and Tyro's Last Judgment Grimoire. If nothing else, I won't say no to the stat boosts and I'm fine with finally having a MAG-focused FFX relic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 19, 2016, 01:37:17 PM
Okay, Kaiser Dragon mastered after a straight clear because those medal conditions are fucking stupid. First run involved steamrolling him down and never seeing him hit the water weakness phase and me saying "fuck it" because I already had three S/Ls solely because he entered his low HP phase before getting to the weaknesses I need to score medal conditions. Winning setup:

L80 Terra (Firaja R4/Waterja R4, Devotion)
L80 Krile (Thundaja R4/Blizzaja R4, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Exdeath (Curaga R5/Darkra R4, Mako Might)
L80 Relm (Curaja R5/Shellga R2, Battleforged)
L80 Ashe (Fat Chocobo R5/Bioga R4, Familial Bond)

RW: Lulu's Focus

Outside of his ITD spells (he uses one every three turns on phase 2 and runs entirely off those on phase 3), Kaiser Dragon's offense actually isn't very scary. You can forgo Sentinel's Grimoire here and stack as much magic buffing as you can (if you're considering running Edward here, I'd recommend going with Spellbend Etude/Wrath, since hitting Kaiser with physicals guarantees a medal condition loss and searing pain) because his MDEF is XBOX huge. Even with both Sheepsong and Focus, Krile wasn't ramming the damage cap, though I equipped her mainly for MND because of it. The big problem in this fight is that you're very likely sandbagging phase 2 until Kaiser Dragon deems it worthy to run Lightning -and- Water weakness, and his AI cycle means you'll see an ITD AoE 3HKO every three turns. This is a -pain in the ass-. Using the crystal to mitigate damage is a good idea, but you -have- to be careful since you can only use it three times unless you have a magic blink up when Kaiser Dragon dies, and you can very well run through four cycles before seeing even -one- of Lightning and Water. Defending and multiple healers are your friends, as is an AoE heal. Phase 3 is just a total damage race: the best idea is to save your damage SB gauges for this in order to get him killed ASAP, because you -will- eventually get grinded down by his ITD AoE spam. Fortunately, Kaiser Dragon is quite slow for the standards of an endgame-worthy boss, so his offense actually isn't as scary as it could be. It's not a terribly problematic fight to clear, but mastering it is downright asinine.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 19, 2016, 01:43:01 PM
Got rydias dragon whisker-holy whip and Cid Raines cape.

Not blank, and my first ff13 armor, so....I'll take it!

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 19, 2016, 01:50:37 PM
Lucky Banner got me Papalymo's Hat.  I'll take it; mostly just wanted to avoid a Pure Damage SB off a Vivi-style black mage that I really can't make use of; Papalymo has white 4, so that works.

Then did 2 pulls on Celes Banner 1 because Terra's Tiara, went 1/22 and got Locke's Valiant Knife.  I can't wait for the insured 5*s...

I avoided falling for what happened at the BSB fest, and decided to NOT pull like mad on one banner knowing it'll be heartbreak and FF6 is not a realm I need synergy in.   Terra's Tiara shows up again in the Leo event anyway, and I know her BSB is on Keeper's Selection #2 so...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 19, 2016, 08:55:47 PM
Nightmare Kaiser defeated.

So this took me multiple attempts.

My initial team was basically my usual Mage Meta team with Vivi swapping out for the Healer, because I have his SSB, I figured he makes a decent 5th.  So my team would be Terra (top tier Black mage + have her SSB), Vivi (just explained), Lulu (Focus), Edea (Inargural Parade), and Tyro (Sentinel Grimoire for the first 2 phases, also can use stuff like Eiko's Fairy Flute++ for synergy)

My RWs used were Mighty Guard VIII because it's basically perfect for this fight, and Arc's Renewing Rain because with Edea's inargural Parade, I don't need the Hastega that much, and I still get Shellga + Heavy Regen, and the Magic Blink is a nice bonus in this fight.  Anything else didn't seem worth it.

My first attempt involved not completely understanding the fight so that didn't work.  Learning what elements he has, I swap things around, try to cover everything twice, and I bank on Heavy Regen healing me.

Then Poison starts fucking with that, lots of bad RNG, etc.  I also learn you DON'T want to activate the crystal every shift...

...so after multiple failed attempts and tweaks, I forgo Magic Twinking and equip for elemental resistance prioritizing Fire over everything else because Meltdown.  In doing so, I can ignore the Crystal in the Fire phase entirely, and I plan on hitting the crystal in the Water and Lightning phases (because I need fight those anyway), and Poison because that's a pain to defend against.

My offense is shakier, and things don't go the way I want.  Then I realize the problem with my set up:

I'm not using healing beyond Vivi using Master Mend.  Realizing that, I give Tyro Curaja...and then recognize Vivi is basically accomplishing nothing in this fight since he's using his Soul Break on the Medica anyway.  So I swap him out for Papalymo.  Why Papalymo?  First Sage who came to mind and my team was ordered that way.  Also I learn summons CAN be used in this fight, so I take advantage of that with Terra somewhat, so my final set up looks like:

Terra: R5 Firaja, R3 Ixion, Devotion
Ixion can be used twice in phase 1, and she can hit both the crystal AND weakness condition in Phase 2 on the last casting and deal a crap ton of damage.  She has Devotion because she's my most durable character, she has the SSB that hits hard with both buffs (21k), and Ixion means she can occasionally ignore the damage cap

Lulu: R4 Blizzaja, R4 Thundaja, Vow of Vengeance
Just a cannon who can occasionally use Focus for the stackable Faithga and extra layer of mitigation in the first 2 phases.

Edea: R4 Blizzaja, R4 Bioga, Mako's Might
I made Bioga specifically for this fight, probably wasn't necessary and could have used my already existing Darkra but Bioga did let me activate the Poison crystal.  That extra Blizzaja was made for Ifrit, so no, not a typo; mostly just another cannon with an extra Soul Break.  Not as good as Lulu because of her RM, but it gets me the immediate hastega.

Papalymo: R5 Curaja, R5 Waterja, Blood of the Espers
Shifts between damage, healing, and hitting that condition; on hindsight, he maybe should have covered a less integral element but overall didn't matter.

Tyro: R5 Curaga, R5 Waterga, Dr. Mog's Teachings
Sentinel Grimoire to power through the first two phases, Waterga just insurance to hit the condition in case something happens to Papalymo, as well as being a 2nd caster for the Crystal so I don't have to rely on Terra wasting a gauge on Trance Flood.

RW was Mighty Guard VIII, don't think it would have made a difference in this fight compared to Renewing Rain, but whatever.


Things went a lot more smoothly with elemental gear, and healing but the randomized conditions are still bullshit and you really are dicking around a lot waiting for the right two elements to drop.  I also learned you DON'T want to activate the Ice Crystal because you might kill him Phase 2 when you're weak to Ice.  Everyone resisted Fire so activating the Fire crystal was pointless, and the Earth crystal only matters vs. his nightmare more, so I can just have everyone defend during that phase; this is why I decided Lightning/Water/Poison.   

Lulu did die in the winning run because he used Nightmare Tsunami and she had the Gigas Armlet...whoops.  I say to myself that if I lose THIS time, I'm adjusting it that Terra gets the Gigas Armlet, and equips the Viking's Jacket, forgetting that is a thing I have.


Honestly, I think the fight isn't that bad at it's core, it's just they gave it dumb conditions.  They should NEVER have weakness conditions on a Barrier Change boss unless the boss has a legitimate cycle that you can predict.  This isn't the first time they've done it, no, but it's always annoying seeing it because you can fail a condition because you are "too good."  At least status weaknesses, there are (semi) reliable ways to apply it most of the time, and you aren't dicking around waiting for the right moment.  Barrier change conditions, especially on a Nightmare, is bullshit.

Oh well, that's done with, time to make Meltdown.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 19, 2016, 11:58:28 PM
Nightmare Kaiser mastered as well.  Took me several failures in set-up and two winning attempts, because the first time, I forgot to hit the dragon itself with Water in a water-weak phase.

Some of the failures that I switched out of:
Initially, I had Tyro with Curaja/Phantasm.  I had read Kongbakpao and saw that it only listed the counter to Ninja Magic in phase 1, so I thought I could cheese the fight in phase 2.  No, he still counters Ninja Magic with Nightmare Meteor.  Don't do that.  That led to me putting Waterja on Tyro.
Then there was having Krile with Firaga R5 and Tyro had my Waterja R4.  Note to self: don't put damage for a mastery condition on the healer - they won't have enough time to cast it on everything needed through all the healing that'll be required.
So...  That then led to putting Waterja on Ashe, moving the Thundaja that was on Ashe to Krile, and putting Watera Strike on Tyro so he could activate the crystal on that phase.  This is what won it for me eventually.

Exdeath L67 - Memento Mori R3/Dark Zone R3 - Dr. Mog's Teachings - Grand Cross
Exdeath had one job here: eat all the ST Black Magic spells.  He did that job admirably.  Granted, I eventually learned that activating Memento Mori too early was a death sentence to that plan, so phase 1 focused on him using unboosted Dark Zones.  Since he was eating all the ST magic (and some MT stuff too), he was constantly getting charges back to keep casting Dark Zone.

Krile L70 - Thundaja R4/Blizzaja R4 - Ace Striker - Sheepsong -> Unspoken Bond
Standard caster, but the way I use her meant that I couldn't open with Sheepsong.  I do get it near the start of phase 2 though, so it's not a complete wash.  I gave her Blizzaja as a filler spell, and Thundaja to match up with Ashe, in case something happened to her.

Ashe L74 - Blizzaja R4/Waterja R4 - Devotion - Maelstrom's Bolt
The other standard caster, but with more elemental coverage than Krile.  Maelstrom's Bolt let her play emergency Medica as well, on top of activating the Crystal for the Lightning phase.  Waterja meant she could hit weakness in the Water-weak phase, and my second Blizzaja (made when I was going up against Fragment Ifrit for the CM and didn't need it) made for the other good filler spell on her.

Hope L77 - Bioga R4/Shellga R2 - Battleforged - Divine Judgment
Let's see, he has a 7* Rising Sun and a BSB.  He had two jobs: cast Shellga to reduce the incoming damage on the first two phases, and cast Bioga until he got enough meter to use Divine Judgment, and then just focus on the new commands for that.  He also did his job admirably.

Tyro L80 - Curaja R5/Watera Strike R3 - Knight's Charge - Sentinel's Grimoire -> Keeper's Tome
So, Tyro here had a bunch of jobs.  Healing was the most basic one, Watera Strike for activating the crystal in the Water-Weak phase, activating SG as soon as it was available on the first two phases, and using Keeper's Tome instead for the Magic Blink on Phase 3.  While it was a lot for him to handle, everything fell into place and he did each job he was given.

RW: Divine Guardian
Funny how two of my SBs would involve Alexander.  Anyway, this one's mostly here for the RES Up that stacks with Shellga, the opening Hastega, and Heavy Regen, assuming it didn't get removed by being Poisoned.  Activated the second shot near the start of Phase 2, but it lasted for as long as I needed it to.

All in all, this was a decent fight, though I have to agree that the Mastery conditions are dumb, since it's a roulette on what elements he goes to.  Still, it almost felt like he was weighted to go to the Thunder and Water forms more often, because for all of my tries, I always saw Lightning, Water, and one other element.

Now that I have Meltdown, I'm...  Gonna wait to craft it, because 2 uses is still too low to make use of without a corresponding En-Element SB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 21, 2016, 02:12:23 AM
Jesus Christ, DeNa really wants Global to spend everything they've got before guaranteed 5* pulls show up. The W-Burst fest banners? Yeah, not so much. TRIPLE BURST FEST. (https://i.redd.it/ip51ey1a2smx.jpg) Three bursts and six SSBs on each. DAMN.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 21, 2016, 03:04:32 AM
Also, they said fuck the themes because they forced the banners to suck. I'm likely dropping 50 mythril on banner 1 and another 50 on banner 3 or 4, but not much else. At least, they didn't put all the Excaliburs on the same banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 21, 2016, 01:29:55 PM
Might try banner 5, but who knows.

You know, because kain is there.

Anyways...

I saw on some spreadsheet tg cids last record sphere says something like, "starts battle in thunder god mode."

Anyone know what that is?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 21, 2016, 06:23:30 PM
Thunder God Mode cuts his charge times by 2/3 for 25 seconds. It's awesome in general, but especially important if you have his OSB or burst, because they're super-powerful attacks with Full Charge level charge times. (You can also get TGM by using his OSB)

I'm looking at banner 3 for a 50-pull or two -- three solid bursts, and not a single dupe for me on the banner (although I wouldn't use Yuffie or Basch's SSBs much).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 21, 2016, 06:48:46 PM
Banner 1 is the no-dupe offering for me and I'd find cool uses for all of the relics there. Tifa BSB and Galuf and Shadow SSBs would be pretty damn useful for tier challenges and even Tifa BSB is an en-element SB, so lots of offense. Jecht falls into the En-element BSB clause too. Omnirod and Sphairai have pretty cool SSBs and I could run Wrath Y'shtola pretty well with it. Cait Sith is waifu, Bartz would be nice for the stat boosts, and I'm also pretty well-geared for elemental exploitation. Gabranth... well, I still could use FF12 swords and it's a nice compliment to Enrage. Banner 3 is also cool as long as I don't dupe again on Krile's Fire Lash.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 21, 2016, 09:20:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/RUjfFjT.jpg

took my medicine
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on September 22, 2016, 05:53:44 AM
yeah I'm skipping Lucky Draw 1 and am going to pull on both others plus one more on one of them.  Not expecting much but OK's BSSB would make it so I could easily sell the account for money someday and that is mildly appealing to me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 22, 2016, 03:48:20 PM
Chain Blizzaga get and honed to R3. About time.

EDIT: And as it were to happen, I felt like dropping mythril onto a FFX banner, since I had 155 handy and I felt like trying for a FFX Hastega. First 50-pull nets me an off-banner 5* armor for FF9, the FFX Ice Brand that immediately got fed into my 7* Stoneblade and Jecht's SSB. Second pull nets me... Rikku's Burst. WELL THEN.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 22, 2016, 09:45:08 PM
Your luck is fucking insane.

I'm tempted to pull on banner 2 just for the off chance of getting tyros burst. I mean, the burst is nice, but I'd love for him to get a stat boost.

Which reminds me...I should pump him up with motes...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on September 23, 2016, 05:24:44 AM
Speaking of insane luck. I decided to try out the Meltdown nightmare on my longest commute today. I figured for one stamina I could go in and see what I needed to tweak to get it right. Instead he decides to bust out Lightning and Water weaknesses right away and I'm like "shit this is it, better make it count". I had grabbed a Terra BSB RW for fun but since he decided to stay in Water/Fire/Earth weakness the entire time, I was destroying his HP with the Burst Cmds and Rinoa's Brothers SB. It was pretty scary towards the end when I was needing to use fucking Celebration Grimoire (twice!) for backup healing to Relm's Lakshmi (hey Sentinel wasn't helping anymore since he was busting out Res-ignoring bullshit).

Just barely got Mastery so I never have to do it again and I'm glad I didn't have go through Meeple's tortuous experience.

So yay! Now I can make Meltdown. I don't run Mage Meta ever unless the fight makes me, so I'm not sure I SHOULD. But I guess it's an option now.

I'm wondering what my first 6* ability should be? Leaning the Spellblade one coming up but Meltdown seems to be the popular choice. If I had Exdeath's GC it'd be a lock due to restoring charges of a two-use ability but since I have Celes' Super Runic instead, Spellblade seems like the smarter choice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 23, 2016, 08:55:37 AM
http://i.imgur.com/1UFEaq8.jpg

i swung twice and hit myself in the head, once
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on September 23, 2016, 10:28:45 AM
this is it (https://youtu.be/g1m-8PvpSBw)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 23, 2016, 12:17:59 PM
So new classification of Soul Break in japan in "Ultra Soul Break."  No, not a power creep, and I specified "Classification" instead of "Tier" because it's clearly not an upgrade.

It's clearly a solution to "OSBs for Soul Breaks that aren't about dealing damage" like pure stat buff ones or Medicas because who needs a 12k healing Medica when no one has above 9999 HP, and healing usually doesn't even get that high even with Curaja.  Sounds like they can't BDL for damage ones (Faris'), but they can apply 2ndary effects, sort of avoiding the whole Power Creep situation to some degree, since their damage potential is limited.  Basically, it's an alternative to OSBs that are less about raw damage, more about the special effects.  Suppose that works better than them going "Here's a 10x OSB with Hyper Break, that's totally fair trade off right?!" like they did with SSBs and BSBs.  At least now, there's a hard damage cap on USBs even if they are as strong, and we've seen OSBs hit hard enough to make 60k damage a detriment in that regard.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 23, 2016, 06:25:06 PM
http://i.imgur.com/FnYWOmq.jpg

hello everyone
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 23, 2016, 07:12:26 PM
I can't tell who that xi character is.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 23, 2016, 07:21:28 PM
It's Curilla, never played XI myself though
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on September 24, 2016, 03:07:55 AM
On the Pick Up Lucky Draw, I got Rikku's Burst, Cait Sith's Critical Up SSB,  and Ovelia's dress. I think something else, but it was a few days ago so I forgot.
Skipped Lucky Draw 1.
Lucky Draw 2, I got Gafgarion's EnDarkness burst (because I needed more FFT synergy), Yuffie's Enwater Burst, and Edge's Enwater Burst. Hey, all bursts, sick.
Lucky Draw 3, I got Luneth's Enwind Burst, Vivi's Enfire Burst, and Sara's Burst.

That gives me... 2 Enfires, one Enthunder (but only that, lol, useless), Endarkness, 2 Enwaters, and an Enwind SB, four of which are Bursts, 1 an SSB, and one a regular SB. Neat. The only one that really changes up things for me is that I now have a reason to hone the physical darkness skills, I suppose. Vivi's burst will change up my FF9 CM teams, at least.

I'm also pretty sure the amount of BSSBs I have now is ridiculous, too, but there's one more banner (Ultros' Selection, I believe) to get through before I start documenting
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 24, 2016, 04:11:47 PM
In keeping with my usual lazy-ass schedule, I knocked out the FF6 ultimates today. I got CM mastery on U+ Ultros with one S/L, so I don't have an excuse to pull on the banner again -- fine by me, after the headache that was U+ Bartz even with a way stronger FF5 team.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 24, 2016, 05:34:26 PM
http://imgur.com/a/2KVpI

disco balls
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on September 24, 2016, 06:45:24 PM
Nice!
I just nabbed Tidus' Overflow, Cecil's BSB, and Yshtola's BSB from that. (Also two more Platinum Swords and a third Celescalibur so now I have two 8* Swords!)

It's no Terra OSB, but it does synergize with my setup nicely!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on September 25, 2016, 12:10:55 AM
So I have exactly 3 of the items on this banner.

For my free pull I got another Platinum Sword and Blood Sword. Oh well, both are at 6 and 7*s now, respectively. Oh, Except, Wait, I Rosetta Stoned my Platinum Sword a while ago since I had so much FFT synergy. That... was dumb. Of course it's going to be on every celebration banner I'm ever going to seriously want to pull on. Oh well, lesson learned.

Gonna do some finaggling to see if I can pull off more pulls on the banner before it goes away at the end of the day.

EDIT: Mythril Present Dungeon did. Pulled. 1/11. :(

...

Oh.

OK then. (http://imgur.com/HvZaN6W)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 25, 2016, 04:10:00 AM
Apparently guaranteed 5 stars drops tomorrow with the celebration banners.

Well...that changes things.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 25, 2016, 04:32:40 AM
JUST A LITTLE.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 25, 2016, 05:01:13 AM
http://imgur.com/a/HKpH3

never stop believing
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 25, 2016, 05:15:55 AM
WELP.

Anyhow, Sanctuary Guardian U+ roasted. Setup:

L66 Jecht (Dark Bargain R4/Lifesiphon R4, Rebel's Might)
L65 Paine (Saint Cross R3/Banishing Strike R4, Holy Knight's Pride)
L80 Rikku (Enveloping Etude R2/Thief's Revenge R3, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Yuna (Curaja R5/Shellga R2, Ace Striker)
L80 Wakka (Magic Breakdown R4/Full Break R3, Secrets Of The Qu)

RW: Shout

Pretty much lol, though Jecht died late in the battle after dropping his SSB, I wasn't paying much attention. The fight's highlight was dropping a 50k damage Burst from Rikku, which was just silly. Rikku can even run as a pure buffing unit in a mage team if I want, since she has okay offense with her burst commands and can run at nearly +50% ATK just with her Mug command and Burst stat buffs, which is pretty sexy. Imperil Water also works decently with Waterja and Terra's Chaos Watera, so that's also good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 25, 2016, 11:10:34 AM
The U+ really did feel easier than normal.  Thinking it's because I have decent FFX synergy, but eh.  Had to do the fight twice, because I forgot to equip a Water skill the first time.

Highlights:
Tidus Powerchaining into an instant RW summon.  Still turn 2, but that's fun to do.
Braska pulling off 42K with Aeons of Wing and Flame.  512 base MAG + Devotion + Lulu spending meter on the FF13 Halloween hat Faithga, but worth it.  Became 8 hits of 5300ish damage each.  This is really one of those SBs that needs buffing for it to be worth anything, kinda like Zack's Rush Assault.
Yuna spending most of her time in the first half of the fight using Diaga instead of Curaja, because the incoming damage was so tiny.
Me ignoring Protect and Haste because I had no source of Dispel, and didn't want to bother spending eggs on Paine.
Lulu using a Shared SB Cure Medica and it being actually worth something.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 25, 2016, 03:21:12 PM
Cid Mission'd U+ with little difficulty. Took me 2 attempts but only because first try, I didn't bring Banishing Strike, so Protect gave it that durability push that outlased SG RW. Oh well, easy enough fix.  Also gave Auron Mirror of Equity to increase his offense over Lifesiphon, considering he was getting gauge fast enough with Fire Blossom.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on September 26, 2016, 04:14:46 AM
G5 4 3BF is HERE!

11-pull in celebration. Yda's SSB, Yshtola's SSB, and Shadow's SSB!

Good stuff! Not Jecht's balls or Tifa's fist, but it'll do.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on September 26, 2016, 05:01:46 AM
So, uh, yeah, that happened.

I had just fixed my sleep schedule but I rekt it again trying to get every mythril available to me before midnight JP time (9AM my time) since all the OF Fest banners fill me with apathy. I just barely got enough to pull again, got Bartz's OSB and a third Shout. Neat. Can't really complain, netting that OK BSB and all, but maaaaaaaan I really should have prioritized sleep. @_@

Good stuff! Not Jecht's balls or Tifa's fist, but it'll do.

A day where DJ finds out his master was just pretending to throw a ball the entire time, and there were no balls to begin with.

I am sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on September 26, 2016, 05:15:33 AM
Woof?

What do you mean there are no balls? Riot!

On topic: I can give Monk 6 to five characters. One of them will be Jecht because he equips swords and might actually have a use for Lifebane. One will be Yda when they open her Spheregrid because I have her ATK up SSB. After that, maybe Amaranth because I have his Shell/HiRegen SB and he can't use much else besides MNK so if I'm ever stuck using him it might be worth it.

That leaves only Zell, who I have a crappy self-buffing+dmg SB for. Sabin has his first SB. Yang, Refia, Tifa, Galuf don't have anything for but apart from Refia don't seem worth using. Snow is worth using but not for MNK. I might give him KNT 6. Depends on how many PCs you can buff with the KNT motes they give us.

Who is everyone else buffing? Tyro maybe?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 26, 2016, 06:45:29 AM
A lot of these banners looked good, so I was heavily tempted to buy gems so I could pull on these.  Luckily, I managed to talk myself out of it.  Instead, I'm going to annoy everyone with a list of relics I have so I can further convince myself I don't need to pull on these banners!  Natural 5*s and up, of course.

Core:
Sentinel's Grimoire
Celebration Grimoire
Rune Staff
Behemoth Knife (Shared SB - 3.3x NE MT BLM damage on a dagger that doesn't increase MAG)
Keeper's Grimoire

FF1:
It's nothing!

FF2:
Flame Shield (Gordon's Goddess's Bell)

FF3:
It's nothing!

FF4:
Flame Sword (Shared SB - 1.6x MT Fire PHY)
Stoneblade (Shared SB - 2.1x PHY, 20% Petrify)
Kotetsu (Edge's Eblan Dual Wield)
Artemis Bow (Rosa's Divine Heal SSB)
Fabled Harp (Edward's Fabled Song)
Gold Hairpin
Dark Helm (Shared SB - 2.1x Dark PHY, Ranged)
Diamond Armor+
Dragon Gloves (Shared SB - 3.3x MT Fire BLK)

FF5:
Air Knife (Bartz's Blade Wing)
Excalibur (Bartz's Trueblade of Legend SSB)
Ragnarok (Bartz's Ragnarok BSB)
Thor Hammer (Galuf's Fist of the Dawn)
Partisan (Shared SB - 1.6x MT PHY + 20% Sleep)
Moore Branch (Exdeath's Grand Cross)
Judgment Staff
Power Staff (Lenna's Flames of War)
Yoichi's Bow+ (Faris's Sea Lord's Broadside)
Beast Killer (Krile's Unspoken Bond SSB)
Fire Lash+ (Krile's Sheepsong SSB)
Ninja Suit

FF6:
Zantetsuken+
Rune Blade (Celes's Spinning Edge)
Golden Spear
Dragon Claws+ (Sabin's Razor Gale)
Maduin's Horn (Terra's Magitek Missile SSB)
Chocobo Brush (Relm's Portrait of Lakshmi SSB)
Rising Sun (Locke's Mirage Dive)
Darts (Setzer's Dive Bomb)
Mystery Veil (Shared SB - Cure Medica)
Minerva Bustier (Terra's Trance Flood)
Gaia Gear+
Thief's Bracer+ (Shared SB - MT 40% Slow)

FF7:
Shark (Shared SB - 2.1x PHY, Ranged, 50% Stop)
Basilisk Claw
Butterfly Edge+
SOLDIER Sword+
Apocalypse (Zack's Apocalypse SSB)
1st Fusion Sword (Cloud's Fenrir Overdrive BSB)
Yoshiyuki (Sephiroth's Black Materia SSB)
Pole Axe+ (Cid's Hyper Jump)
Crystal Glove++ (Tifa's Waterkick)
Platinum Fist++ (Tifa's Burning Arrow)
Master Fist (Tifa's Dolphin Blow SSB)
Zack's Gloves (Zack's Air Raid)
Diamond Pin (Red XIII's Lunatic High)
Gatling Gun (Barret's Grenade Bomb)
Circlet (Shared SB - ST Cura, Magic +30% for 25s)
Shinra Helmet
Sephiroth's Coat+ (Sephiroth's Nibelheim Nightmare)
Edincoat
Adamant Bangle
Precious Watch++ (Shared SB - Cure Medica)
Chocobracelet (Shared SB - MT Medium Regen)
Holiday Mittens (Shared SB - MT ATK+15% for 25s)

FF8:
Inferno Fang (Shared SB - 2.0x Fire PHY)
Revolver++ (Squall's Rough Divide)
Shear Trigger (Squall's Fated Circle)
Cutting Trigger (Squall's Blasting Zone SSB)
Hyperion (Seifer's Demon Slice)
2x Crescent Wish (Selphie's Dreamstage SSB)
Valkyrie (Rinoa's Angel Wing Bolt)
Rising Sun++ (Rinoa's Angel Wing Quake)
Fujin's Chakram (Shared SB - 3.3x MT Wind BLK)
Running Fire (Shared SB - 1.7x MT PHY, Ranged)
Estharian Helmet
Galbadian Elite Armor

FF9:
Orichalcum (Zidane's Shift Break SSB)
Defender (Steiner's Thunder Slash)
Coral Sword
Save the Queen (Beatrix's Seiken Stock Break)
Needle Fork (Quina's Mighty Guard (IX))
Oak Staff (Vivi's Doublecast Venom)
Ice Staff (Shared SB - 4.9x Ice BLK)
Golem's Flute (Eiko's Emerald Light)
Dragon Knight's Greatcoat (Freya's Cherry Blossom SSB)
White Robe (Shared SB - 20% Raise)
Gauntlets
4x Thunder Gloves (Beatrix's Rose of May)

FF10:
2x Celebration Blade (Shared SB - 2.1x PHY, 50% Slow)
Buster Clas (Rikku's Hazardous Shell)
Royal Scepter+ (Shared SB - Cure Medica)
Lullaby Rod (Yuna's Hymn of the Fayth)
Rune Rod (Shared SB - 3.3x MT Poison BLK)
Mage's Staff (Shared SB - Cure Medica)
Braska's Staff (Braska's Aeons of Wing and Flame SSB)
All-Rounder (Wakka's Attack Reels)
Defense Veil+
Al Bhed Jumper

FF12:
Danjuro+
Lohengrin
Stoneblade (Ashe's Maelstrom's Bolt SSB)
Kogarasumaru (Vaan's Windburst)
Gungnir
Musk Stick (Shared SB - Cure Medica)
Aldebaran (Balthier's Strahl Strafe SSB)
Chanter's Djellaba

FF13:
Glaive (Fang's Pulsar Burst)
Wyrmfang (Vanille's Oerba's Boon)
Skycutter+ (Hope's Brutal Sanction)
Ninurta (Hope's Divine Judgment BSB)
Evil Lantern
Deneb Duellers (Sazh's Caltrop Bomb)
Goddess's Tribute
Tungsten Bangle (Shared SB - Cure Medica)

FF14:
Yoshimitsu (Thancred's Dancing Edge)
Cobalt Katzbalger+ (Shared SB - 1.7x PHY, Ranged, User ATK +30% for 25s)
Thyrus++ (Y'shtola's Stoneskin II)
Lominsan Bow+
Evoker's Horn (Shared SB - 4.7x BLK, RES -30% for 15s)
Ninja Chainmail+ (Thancred's Death Blossom)
2x Ninja Chainmail (See above)

FFT:
Main Gauche (Delita's Crush Armor)
Platinum Sword (Ramza's Shout SSB)
Chameleon Robe
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 26, 2016, 04:45:06 PM
100 Gem Draw on the first banner, Tifa's BSB.

I am no longer allowed to say she sucks...at least in the context of character worth in RK...

Also crushed Ultima Weapon.  Might do the "Create several copies of Lifebane, breakdown to get more crystals to hone up stuff" strategy.  Lifebane seems kind of crappy honestly since most users aren't the greatest (granted, I say this AFTER getting a BSB one of said users...), and it's gimmick seems pretty annoying to raise make it worth using.  Also the other 5* Combat skill down the line just seems like a straight up better option, using the same gimmick, and on more characters (are there any MOnks who DON'T have Combat 5?)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 26, 2016, 06:05:07 PM
Okay, so Monks feel pretty legit thanks to Meteor Crash.

Base set-up:
Synergy in the Monk dungeon
Vs. The Weapon Watches, Part 4
Galuf L68 - 444 ATK after Synergy - Meteor Crash R2/Piercing Strike R4 - Balamb Firebrand RM

Turn 1: Meteor Crush: 2x 3550 = 7100
Turn 2: Piercing Strike: 9150
Turn 3: Piercing Strike: 9150
Turn 4: Meteor Crush: 2x 6350 = 12700
and so on.
Aside from that first turn, dealing an average of 10300 damage/turn seems pretty appealing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on September 26, 2016, 11:49:59 PM
Guys don't worry about your 6* class skills they all kinda suck except for Snowstorm Strike and supposedly the thief one is good too if you don't have a good boostga and not enough synergy to hit ATK cap. Aegis Strike might be cool if you don't get  a good Knight BSB (Cecil/Beatrix/Agrias) but honestly it just takes up a skill slot that could be used for dispelling or support and meh. Not that bad if you're running dual knights.

On the other hand, all of them are basically free if you did the event, so hey whatever you want. Honestly once I decide which 2-3 (maybe 4? depends on orb distribution) 6* skills I'm investing in I'm just going to spend all my tokens making copies of the skill and busting them up for their constituent parts.

Honestly though except for Thief's actually (it is basically HotE PLUS a debuff, and that is pretty sick if I run Rikku or Yuffie in cids missions. Why am I just looking into this now? I should have been using this.) the two or three standout skills in the Nightmare dungeons overshadow the ones you'll all be getting in the next week. Meltdown is great if you have any mages in your A-team and apparently Northern Cross and a couple of the later ones are pretty good. I dunno, I need to research. I still haven't even bothered over there except to get the 6* orbs and Meltdown.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 27, 2016, 01:33:29 AM
Sitting on 43 Mithril, and got about 5 more stages to go through.  Now I've been mulling over this question now:

Do I try to pull on Festival Banner 2 for Terra's Tiara, Cloud OSB 1 for Cloud OSB/Red SSB, or Ribbon 1 for Beatrix BSB/Freya SSB?

Or just save it all up for the future?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 27, 2016, 05:02:49 AM
I would like a bsb...so I'm pulling on banner 2 and 3 or 4. Still undecided...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 28, 2016, 02:05:46 AM
Phase 2! I'm holding on to my mythril for round 3, but what the heck, I'll try a 100 gem pull....

*Iga Blade*

OKAY THEN.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on September 28, 2016, 02:38:27 AM
I would like a bsb...so I'm pulling on banner 2 and 3 or 4. Still undecided...

Not going to save for Kain's BSB in November?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 28, 2016, 03:03:07 AM
One 11-pull this time! Got meself Super Selphie Sticks and another Excalibur. That's definitely good enough.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 28, 2016, 03:46:20 AM
11 pull on this banner, Keeper's Tome and Seraphim Mace.

Curaga + Hastega doesn't hurt, and I need FF4 Synergy, so that doesn't hurt, and Keeper's Tome is a Burst, for all that I have SG, but I guess it means I can use some flexibility. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 28, 2016, 04:22:11 AM
I would like a bsb...so I'm pulling on banner 2 and 3 or 4. Still undecided...

Not going to save for Kain's BSB in November?

Oh snap. That's coming in November?

Ok. I might start hoarding.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 28, 2016, 07:31:40 AM
http://i.imgur.com/NFCfRWv.jpg

punish the wicked
also gotta pick between Squall's jacket and Seph's coat on Tyro's choice now, I never thought it would come to this
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 28, 2016, 12:54:01 PM
You have his OSB. Jacket.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 28, 2016, 02:32:18 PM
Realm Status: Currently Complete
Event Status: Currently Complete
Mithril Stash: ...56.

I'm not going to be pulling on anything for a while, am I?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 28, 2016, 07:00:13 PM
You have his OSB. Jacket.

Also got Seph's OSB, which is dark/fire, so the coat would help.
Although I already have the gloves, so maybe that's overkill.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 28, 2016, 07:40:35 PM
The glove SB provides more overall damage outside of weakness exploitability, at which point you're just well into complete overkill. Ice is a more commonly exploitable weakness anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on September 29, 2016, 03:48:11 AM
Magus Trio CM down.

Auron (Banishing Blade) Flashing Blade/Demon's Blood
Lulu (Focus)  Chain Blizzaga/Meteor
Tidus (Abe's All-Star) Powerchain/Full Charge
Rikku (n/a) Multibreak/Thief's Revenge
Braska (n/a)  Protectga/Curaja
RW: Shout

Had a reset due to killing off the others with MT before Cindy went down, then another one that I might've mistimed regardless but definitely not helped because I didn't manually target one of Lulu's chain blizzagas and it took out Mindy instead of putting Cindy in the kill zone.  Having someone else in for Lulu might've been an improvement for damage but she was really there for the Res bonus on Focus anyways.

Yeah you're proooobably not supposed to be able to shotgun them but eh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 29, 2016, 05:08:43 AM
Fragment Magus Trio CM mastered here as well, with 0 medal loss.

Braska L79 - Valefor R4/Thundaja R4 - Wing and Flame - Devotion
Lulu L66 - Ruinga R4/Sleep R5 - Healing Magic - Mako Might (Should've switched out Ruinga for Blizzaja or something for the end there, but oh well now)
Yuna L75 - Curaja R5/Alexander R4 - Hymn of the Fayth - Knight's Charge (Never used her SB, and only went through about 4 shots of Curaja)
Wakka L78 - Entrust R3/Sleep Buster R5 - Attack Reels - Ace Striker (Instead of using his SB on Attack Reels, I instead...  Entrusted his meter to Lulu and Braska.  Hey, did you know that Entrust counts as a move that generates meter AFTER you transfer the user's meter over?)
Rikku L66 - Multi Break R2/Poison Shell R4 - Hazardous Shell - Way of the Fist (There for Multi Break, managed to poison Cindy, and then was basically useless for the rest of the fight.)
RW: Keeper's Tome

Guess my strategy.  Go ahead, guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 29, 2016, 01:55:16 PM
CM Magus Trio beaten myself.

Guess I'll post my team:

Tidus: R4 Venom Buster, R5 Tempo Flurry, Dragoon's Determination, Slice and Dice Soul Break
Auron: R5 Lifesiphon, R3 Mirror of Equity, Heroic Stance, Banishing Blade SSB
Yuna: R2 Protectga, R5 Curaja, Mako's Might, Hymn of the Fayth SB
Lulu: R5 Firaja, R1 Meltdown, Devotion, Focus SB, is using Fire Armlet to boost damage further
Rikku: R4 Heathen Frolic Samba, R2 Multibreak, Dr Mog's Teachings, had a shared Veil of Annulment Soul Break
SG for RW

Tidus was covering Status, Auron was DPS, Rikki...I think I gave her the wrong Magic Down dance, but didn't seem to be that big a deal, but her role is obvious, and she covered Shellga with the Soul Break, Yuna Heals, and Lulu blasts with the occassional added Magic Mitigation layer via Focus. Meltdown was doing 16k~ off her.

I originally tried Mage Meta, using Kimhari to apply Sleep since he has Black 3, but didn't have the resources or damage to pull it off, considering I had only 2 PCs capable of doing actual damage (Braska and Lulu.)  This would be trivial once Seymour drops.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 29, 2016, 08:03:12 PM
I just realized that I'm one Beatrix BSB away from being able to field a competent team of nothing but knights (if you count Ramza), at least when the fight is mainly physical.

Beatrix: Paladin #1 and primary tank with her Sentinel burst.
Agrias: Paladin #2 and/or spellblade specialist, brings Cleansing Strike.
Ramza: Breakdown monkey with burst for Banishing Strike substitute and DEF boosting
Basch: Apocalypse Shield for boostga and even more DEF boosting
Leon: Darkborn Blade makes him tank #2, brings Dark Bargain since I can stand to lose the DEF on this team.

Bring a Divine Guardian/MG8 RW, or Sync if I really need the medica instead of high regen, and my only problem would be running out of Platinum Shields. I only have three!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 29, 2016, 10:32:15 PM
http://i.imgur.com/zkuMrun.jpg

such ends my jp anniversary, at least that's a weaker realm for me
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 30, 2016, 01:47:36 AM
I just realized that I'm one Beatrix BSB away from being able to field a competent team of nothing but knights (if you count Ramza), at least when the fight is mainly physical.

Beatrix: Paladin #1 and primary tank with her Sentinel burst.
Agrias: Paladin #2 and/or spellblade specialist, brings Cleansing Strike.
Ramza: Breakdown monkey with burst for Banishing Strike substitute and DEF boosting
Basch: Apocalypse Shield for boostga and even more DEF boosting
Leon: Darkborn Blade makes him tank #2, brings Dark Bargain since I can stand to lose the DEF on this team.

Bring a Divine Guardian/MG8 RW, or Sync if I really need the medica instead of high regen, and my only problem would be running out of Platinum Shields. I only have three!

To boot, if you happen to land Beatrix's BSB, you could use her as a backup healer with Lightbringer and a proper RM. Also, that's -so much- holy damage to apply with Imperil.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 30, 2016, 02:08:33 AM
Well, I'll have mythril to chase it. 11-pull on Banner 3 got me Apocalypse, Physician's Staff, Crystal Cross and Fire Lash so I'm good not chasing any of the bursts.

Edit: and CM mastered in the FFX event. Couldn't have done it without Mighty Guard X, because Mana Breath SUCKS.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 30, 2016, 03:26:58 AM
Speaking of pulls: banner 3 is the last of the festival banners to truly excite me (I do want Lightbringer, but Eiko's burst event is just around the corner and it has that as well along with great overall options and banner 5 is just a bust). So sure, three pulls.

100-gem nets me Minwu's Healing Staff! Nice. First pull gets me Crystal Cross x2 and Air Knives. Also good. Pull two, second Healing Staff. Less good. Final pull... third Healing Staff and Artemis' Bow. I got -literally- everything I actually wanted from this banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 30, 2016, 04:31:33 AM
At this point, I just have to wonder how much Mythril Jo'ou has.  That is an insane amount of pulls.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on September 30, 2016, 06:45:12 AM
Trying to decide what 6* skills to use, so for Futref:
 
Abyss/Nightmare 6* abilities and upmats

Ultima, Black/Non/Fire
Meltdown, Black/Fire/Earth
Curajaja, White/Earth/Holy
Reraise, White/Wind/Holy
Bahamut Neo, Summon/Non/Black
Viligarmandia, Summon/Ice/Thunder
Crushdown, Power/Fire/Earth
Omegadrive, Power/Fire/Dark
Penalty 4, Power/Non/Thunder
Penalty Break, Power/Non/Dark
N. Cross, Power/Ice/Wind
Speedster, Power/Thunder/Wind

Class Record Dive 6*s and consitutent upmats
Snowstorm Strike, Power/Ice/Wind
Aegis Strike, Ice/Earth/Holy
Allegro Con Moto, White/Earth/Holy
Penalty Snipe, Ice/Thunder/Dark
Sky High, Thunder/Earth/Wind
Thief, Fire/Wind/Dark
Samurai, Non/Ice/Dark
Ninja, Ice/Wind/Dark
Monk, Fire/Thunder/Earth

So, thinking Meltdown, Mug whatever, Viligarmanda, Speedster, and Penalty Break. There have been a few bosses recently with obnoxious status, so lowering the infliction rate is looking more and more appealing. But in any case, this gives me a pretty well rounded resource spread. That said, Holy and White crystals are entirely unused, and it looks like I'll have a bunch of earth orbs leftover too. I suppose I could hone Allegro Con Moto, too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 30, 2016, 09:38:32 AM
At this point, I just have to wonder how much Mythril Jo'ou has.  That is an insane amount of pulls.

Dude, I have a credit card and I got a promotion. I'll live.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on September 30, 2016, 08:55:36 PM
Went ahead and honed Speedster and Allegro Con Moto to R2, and cashed in the skills I know I'll never use (Monk, Ninja, etc). Crafted Penalty Break and Viligarmandia, but kept them at R1.

Wind Orbs are kinda stretched thin (I can get Steal Motivation to R2 but then I'm done. I also realized I probably will want to keep Aegis Strike and Blizzard Strike as options, but holding off until I get enough Black Crystals to hone Meltdown to R2. Then I can spend my Earth orbs on something else.

Bribe fars, kill cars mode until the Summon Orb phase is over, then I'll knock out the Nightmare dungeons and the remaining festival stuff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 02, 2016, 12:06:11 AM
I kinda like Ninja's Stitch in Time, though not sure if I like it enough to hone it to R2 (I at least have enough relevant Ninja SBs to make it a potential option, but uh a lot of those are -also- Thieves...). I considered Snowspell Strike at R2, but I'm not sure if honing it is a great idea when I have Runic for the main character who'd use it (Celes). GRANTED, it also competes with her BSB. I'm also saving crystals for Valigarmanda, but that should be well within reach by the time we get it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 04, 2016, 04:30:28 AM
I have now cleared basically most of the anniversary content except for Level???? Nemesis (name in japanese: The One Who Surpasses Everything) and that has no rewards so I'm not gonna sweat it too hard.

got enough mythril for one pull on Banner 4, got Ramza's, Zidane, and OK's SSBs. That makes for my... 4th Ramza SB? That makes him tied with Bartz for most-SBified character in my roster. Terra, sadly, is at 3rd with only 3. >_>

Cleared all the Nightmare dungeons except for the last one, and then went and cleared all the Nightmare dungeons except the last one.

Not much to say for the 6* skill guardians. Each one took me a loss to figure out the gimmick, a couple took more than two goes.

For the superdungeons confusingly called Nightmare Dungeons, I beat both FF5 and FFX's Cid Missions, and the Lv250 versions afterwards. Attempted the CM on FF7's but my FF7 relics are all too outdated to meet the challenge.

The fights were actually really fun! I couldn't have beaten them before now since in every party at least one of the relics I got during the anniversary.

FF5 3 little piggies, Cids Mission party:

Bartz (R1 Snowstorm Strike, R5 Indoor Spell), Sword->Damagex30%, OSB and BSB
Krile (R1 Vilagarmanda, R4 Meteo), Magic +20%, BSB
Exdeath (R5 Haste, R3 Chain Blizzaga), Ace Striker, Power of the Void (ST damage, Mag+30% and MDef+20%) and Neo Almagest (MT Damage, M. Blink) SSBs
Dorgan (R4 Indoor Spell, R4 Magic Breakdown), Battleforged, ATK and MAG +30% SSB
Lenna (R3 Shellga, R5 Curaja), Dualcast White, shared Cura-level medica SB.
RW: SG

All characters had fire-resistance accessories, Lenna and I think Krile blocked more than one relevant element.

Took me two uses of stamina to tweak the party. First time I tried using Y'Shtola's BSB as my RW but I did not have enough mitigation for even the instacast Curaga to keep up. Luckily, the piggies don't have any ITD so SG shines again.

The 4 rounds of mobs beforehand make a few neat tweaks to the standard boss setup. For one, Dr. Mog's and Mako Might are huuuuugely devalued compared to Battleforged and Ace Striker, since you have time to have even your mage characters waste a turn plinking to build SB. It also means that you want your heavy hitters to boost their damage in lieu of boosting SB gain. Additionally, having a hastega or Medica didn't feel as necessary as it usually does. Exdeath spent the whole buildup to the boss hasting everybody, skipping the part of the battle that makes Haste usually not feasible. Neat! As for Medica, up until the fight, if you use the defend command liberally, the trash, while way more durable than we're used to, can't really do more than scratch defending synergy characters, and if there's a lot of them they usually get wiped in 2 Meteo castings. ALSO, if you time it right, you can get SG to line up perfectly with the last attack of the 4th round, lessening the need for that early medica to wipe up the pre-mitigation damage.

Anyway, the fight itself. Standard piggie fight, if any one of them are dead for too long they'll regenerate, blah blah blah.

Started with Dorgan, then Exdeath SSBs, then Krile's and Bartz's BSBs. Krile's Enfired + Doubleboosted BSB commands chewed threw Nereid's HP, to the point where I barely attacked him with anything else except for that and her MT BSB command. Bartz unloads everything on Triton, except for his OSB, which he always hit Phobos (earth-weak) guy with, and always used it while under the buffs from the BSB. Exdeath mostly kept people hasted and MBarriered. Since I had fire resist gear, I had Dorgan alternate between breaking Nereid and Phobos since Triton could barely deal damage to me through Wall.

There was a bit of neat strategy here, in that you really didn't want all three in their Weak Phase, so I let Nereid's HP bar be the timer. I whittled him down to about 20% HP, then got the other two to just above half, saved up 3 of Bartz's OSBs, then went into hardcore damage mode. EZPZ

The 250 Version of the fight was basically the same, but no cid mission. Party was

OK (R2 Full Charge, R4 Full Breakdown), Dr. Mog's, BSB
Krile (R1 Viligarmanda, R4 Meteo), Mako Might
Rinoa (R5 Valefor, R3 Chain Blizzaga), Magic+20%
Tyro (R2 Allegro Con Moto, R4 Hi-Unfaith dance), Battleforged, BSB
Y'Shtola (R5 Rage, R5 Curaja), Ace Striker,
SG RW

The main differences here were in the lead up. 6 Trash rounds, not 4, and they're way more durable and way more damaging. For that reason, I put Mako might on Krile in order to have her use her BSB commands to blast through them. As for the fight itself, same basic strat as last time, except I used Rinoa's BSB a lot more than I used Bartz's, and only used her OSB in a final barrage against Phobos. OK saved all his full strike charges for the same race past the weak phase, and it synergizes amaaaaaazingly with his BSB commands.

That said, my mages were STILL outdamaging that combo,
And it is really all thanks to a skill called Allegro Con Moto.

That thing is awesome. Easily my favorite 6* ability, and the sole reason these days to run a Bard.

Anyway, I'll write up the Geosangeo and Gi Nattak posts later. After I wrap those up, I'll have basically finished the game and only have events to do. Weird feeling.


Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 04, 2016, 06:11:47 AM
So I'm getting kind of bored playing two versions of the same game. Anyone want my Global account? I feel I got my money's worth out of it and it is pretty stacked with gear. 8 Bursts and about triple that in SSBs and SBs plus all the noteworthy super relics and all characters and current content cleared.

Might be nice for someone to jump in and start Global just before multiplayer hits, like Zenny or NEB or anyone who is interested. I'm gonna keep playin JP because my BF is playing it and wants me to keep playing it with him but I'm worn out having two accounts. But it seems a shame not to hand it off to someone I know.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 04, 2016, 02:00:55 PM
Pull on this banner and if you get kains spear, I'll take it. Ha!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 05, 2016, 12:03:24 AM
Well there's some pulls saved up on this account, wouldn't you rather wait until Kain's actual banner?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 05, 2016, 01:01:30 AM
I would.

Was hoping you'd reply and be like, "oh. I got his ssb already."

In which case I'd cyber mug you for that account.

Ha!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 05, 2016, 04:58:44 AM
Well, since you asked. I went ahead did my last 11-pull on the banner.

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/DjinntoTonic/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbzjzvokc.png) (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/DjinntoTonic/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsbzjzvokc.png.html)


So I guess it was meant to be! All the dragoon you could ever want!  Contact me on fb messenger it's faster.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 05, 2016, 08:35:34 AM
...And here I thought it'd be bragging to say I got Penelo's SSB on Banner 5 on my 100-Gem draw.

CMs done for Selphie's ultimates, 5D completed, Realms completed...  Only thing left for me is Dailies.  Kinda boring now.

What do I do now?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 05, 2016, 11:07:47 PM
quit
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 05, 2016, 11:29:19 PM
Post about how there is nothing to do on Reddit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 06, 2016, 02:11:22 PM
The body swap has been completed.

Time to do some spring cleaning in DJ's old carcass.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 06, 2016, 04:02:48 PM
Whaled on the last Triple burst banner, got Penelo's SSB, Terra's BSB, and Ignus' SSB.  I wasted money but damn it I'm find with it!

Also Cid Mission'd Ruby Dragon.  Stupid fight, glad it's over with.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 06, 2016, 09:44:46 PM
Cm ff8 mastery

This one's for you dj!

Used:
Seifer
Irvine
Selphie
Rinoa
Squall

Seifer was hitting holy weakness and removing walls.
Irving was debuffing.
Sephie healed
Rinoa was dishing ice damage like a boss
And squall was too.

Messed up and brought power breakdown instead of magic, but full break got me the medal.

Two characters died. Lost two medals.

Weeeeeeee



Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 07, 2016, 03:28:07 AM
FINALLY! Thanks, Scar. Glad to see you're having fun with it!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 07, 2016, 03:58:08 AM
(http://tosh.cc.com/blog/files/2015/07/SkinSuit.jpg)
me irl
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 10, 2016, 07:02:52 AM
Woo, 100-Gem gave me Reno's Light Rod.

...

...At least it's an FF7 Mage stick.  I've been needing that forever.

EDIT: And it came at a perfect time.  It was pretty much central to me Mastering the U++ CM.

Ultimate Midgar Zolom:
Cloud L80 - Aerora Strike R4/Lifesiphon R4 - Ace Striker - Fenrir Overdrive
Cid L65 - Blood of the Wyvern R3/Dragoon Jump R3 - Pulse Warrior - Hyper Jump
Aeris L71 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Cetra's Destiny - Healing Moment
Tifa L69 - Meteor Crush R2/Piercing Strike R4 - Dr. Mog's Teachings - Burning Arrow -> Dolphin Blow
Red XIII L72 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Mako Might - Lunatic High
RW: Stoneskin II

Academic.  At this point, isn't even a challenge, despite the Counter Betas flying everywhere.  Granted, I also had Fire Resist on everyone.


Ultimate + Dragon Zombie:
Cloud L80 - Firaga Strike R1/Power Break R4 - Ace Striker - Fenrir Overdrive
Cid L65 - Blood of the Wyvern R3/Dragoon Jump R3 - Pulse Warrior - Hyper Jump
Aeris L71 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Cetra's Destiny - Healing Moment
Tifa L69 - Meteor Crush R2/Lifesiphon R4 - Dr. Mog's Teachings - Burning Arrow -> Dolphin Blow
Red XIII L72 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Mako Might - Lunatic High
RW: Stoneskin II

A bit harder than Zolom, and I had to come back to this fight a few times to restrategize.  Still, hardest part was making sure I was timing the wall RW right.


Ultimate++ Diamond Weapon:
Vincent L70 - Drainga R3/Thundaja R4 - Vow of Vengeance
Reno L69 - Firaga R4/Dismissal R4 - Devotion - Turk Bombshell (never used)
Aeris L71 - Faith R3/Curaga R5 - Cetra's Destiny - Healing Moment (Generic Cure Medica)
Red XIII L72 - Mental Breakdown R3/Wrath R3 - Mako Might - Lunatic High
Cait Sith L66 - Curaja R5/Multi Break R2 - Knight's Charge - Healing Magic (Generic Cura + 30% MAG)
RW: Hope's Divine Judgment

So, this fight took me a bunch of resets until it went JUST right, but the physical immunity meant that Shout strategies were not attractive to me.  So, it eventually got to the point where Reno took his new stick, and used only the RW and Purification Burst...  Thinking back on it, that would've been better served on Vincent due to Momento Mori shenanigans, but I already finished it, so whatever.  Reno was doing ~25K-28K a turn, though that number was higher at the start because Mental Breakdown got to go off.  Once the Core was closed, Red was dedicated to using Wrath to keep the Hastega and Protectga up - I didn't bother with Shellga, since most of his dangerous stuff also ignored RES.  To deal with that, I just equipped a bunch of Fire Resist accessories.  Cait Sith rocked a dance since that went through the Physical immunity when the core closed.

...Kinda funny how this fight went down basically the same as Fragment Ifrit for me, just a different element and a tiny fraction of the time.  Reno also hadn't had time to master his SSB, so that's 10 points less MAG he had to work with.

Also, what really got me was how freaking rare Divine Judgment RWs are.  I had to look up three different lists online to find other people running this guy enough to where I would get to this set-up and win.

Oh, and here's a "Good News, Everyone" moment: I'm still running my Divine Judgment RW.  477 MAG after Synergy, but that's less important than the En-Holy and Purification anyway.  ttuj if anyone needs it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 10, 2016, 06:04:30 PM
Well, this set of Ultimates was actually pretty solid.

Ultimate Midgar Zolom

L80 Terra (Wrath R4/Maduin R5, Battleforged)
L80 Celes (Snowspell Strike R1/Aerora Strike R4, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Quistis (Chain Blizzaga R3/Meltdown R1, Mako Might)
L80 Cait Sith (Multibreak R3/Heathen Frolic Sarabande R4, Ace Striker)
L80 Vanille (Curaja R5/Protectga R2, Master In White)

RW: Krile's Sheepsong

So, Wrath + mage BSB makes for an actually compelling setup. Once all the stacking buffs and Burst Mode go off, Terra runs off a whopping 2.02x MAG boost, which entails utterly ridiculous damage. She was nearly breaking 30k damage with her BSB commands without hitting weakness, which says everything you kids need to know. Meltdown also meant two shots of 30k damage under weakness, which was pretty peachy. The Zolom's offense's even solid enough, but it just can't really withstand the kind of damage mages can deal with stacked Faithgas up the wazoo.

U+ Zombie Dragon

L80 Terra (Wrath R4/Firaja R4, Battleforged)
L80 Celes (Same as Midgar Zolom)
L80 Faris (Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R4, Ace Striker)
L80 Selphie (Curaja R5/Shellga R2, Cetra's Destiny)
L80 Krile (Maduin R5/Alexander R5, Mako Might)

RW: Y'shtola's Stoneskin II

Zombie Dragon's actually fairly tricky due to his multiple Pandora's Box parting shots and, of course, trying and reviving three times before finally folding for good. The forms are individually very fragile (Chaos Fira under Sheepsong and Maria's Song scores a borderline 2HKO on ZD...), but that doesn't help all that much when he's getting a lot of guaranteed ITD damage. You want to at least hold off a bit on your damage to land both breaks before the called shots. Oh, and you can't use fire on his second form because target medal scores say so. His damage also just keeps going up as he gets killed and revived, so you likely want to time buff refreshes on earlier forms instead of zergrushing his ass.

U++ Diamond Weapon - Cid Mission

L80 Cait Sith (Heathen Frolic Sarabande R4/Multibreak R3, Ace Striker)
L80 Red XIII (Blizzaja R4/Thundaja R4, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Vincent (Alexander R5/Ixion R5, Mako Might)
L80 Reno (Meltdown R1/Firaja R4, Devotion)
L80 Aerith (Curaja R5/Shellga R2, Battleforged)

RW: Selphie's Strange Vision

Strange Vision's actually a really nice RW for Diamond Weapon if you have the mage synergy to rock it off. I had Reno cast it and Moonstone + Prayer For Home worked respectively as five-digit damage filler and backup healing to ease up on Aerith's schedule until she has the gauge to plop a Medica. Red XIII was the funny surprise, making Silver Barrette actually -useful-. Running a physical support is a bad idea given Diamond's core gimmick (it walls the next eight physical attacks and raise its defense and RES, but gives it fire and thunder weaknesses), so running him as a mage gave him more offense and also boosted his gauge building to recast Lunatic High. Vincent's Faithga was good enough in conjunction with Strange Vision's stacking goodness as well and, of course, Meltdown makes for a nice 30k damage burst damage button with that weakness to hit. Diamond deals rather absurd damage without mitigation, but it's actually doable if you can stack the likes of Toy Soldier here. Fun stuff. I had a reset because of trying to run physical Red even against the gimmick, which obviously ended poorly. Letting Diamond Weapon run that offense without breakdowns sucks ass.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 12, 2016, 02:21:02 AM
It's realm lucky draw time! I came away with an evenly balanced set of SSBs - Ingus' Break Blade, a second Peacemaker, and Agrias' Defender.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on October 12, 2016, 02:53:58 AM
Arc's Elder Wandx2, and Ramza's Iga Blade.

Could use some up-to-date FFXIII relics, but damn, can't complain about that.  Also means I can probably skip out on drawing on the FFIII banners if I want.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 12, 2016, 05:46:19 AM
Agrias's Kaiser Shield
Sazh's Vega 42s
Vanille's Physician's Rod

One SSB, one of the best normal SBs in the game, and a Hastega for CM content.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 12, 2016, 08:14:43 AM
Strange Vision is probably going to be your best Mage Meta RW for a while. I include her in all of my parties I know I don't need to super-optimize for because it's so cool. +30%x2 MAG bonus justifies me equipping Tyro and/or Onion Knight with ATK/MAG weapons like Vinny's Shotgun so that they can use support breakdowns and then bust out Allegro Con Moto on Tyro and OK's magic BSB command when I want them to deal damage.

Most surprisingly, OK's BSB and SSB Staff synergize amazingly when you toss Strange Vision into the mix, if you throw Indoor Spell or something on him.

It also helps that I run Y'shtola with her BSB so Selphie can act as a backup battle medic. Her with her BSB commands also fills the perfect niche use for Maraise: a skill used basically only immediately before a Medicaga and Wall renewal go off. Finally, you can raise people and they don't just die immediately!

Strange Vision is among one of my favorite relics to have because it opened up my party options so much.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 12, 2016, 06:55:01 PM
I'm getting really fond of dual-stat buffs in general. Getting Maria's Song on the Opera event bust my party setup options wide open, both in terms of characters and RWs. Strange Vision is really cool, too, though it'll serve me better as a RW for now (IF I get it, though, I have a very compelling case to run both her and Y'shtola together).

Right, DU Lucky Draw. Got Snow's Paladin, Hope's Hawkeye and Desch's Sword. Nothing amazing, but all at least useful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 12, 2016, 08:36:47 PM
Drew on the lucky draw, got Hope's OSB. Welp, there's my fourth OSB and third useful FF13 relic (the other two being Raines' Coat and Vega). Cid mission may be possible with some egging and how the fight goes when I do it for mastery.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 13, 2016, 12:16:50 PM
Mage Meta'd the Ultimates, when back and did the "twink the **** out of Vincent w/ Hope BSB RW" strat for the Cid Mission since I didn't see any other strategy working, and pulled it off.  On hindsight probably could have made life easier if I gave Garnet's BSB Knife to Red XIII and had him cast Thundaja after the core was closed, just to get that extra DPS in since he was useless after that., giving more breathing room, but ultimately didn't matter


Lucky Draw gave me Snow's Winged Saint, Raines' Gloves and Mustadio's Romanda Gun.  I just stopped using Mustadio after finally getting his RW and now I need to use him again?  Jerks!  Raines' Gloves gives me my first Mage Fist, and it's another Mage option that I can work with at least since Raines has variety (Vivi's SSB by contrast is still one I struggle to find use for, by contrast), and Snow's winged Saint...well, it's better than what I got on the LAST Lucky Draw (aka Wild Bear, the boobie prize of the banner outside of maybe Lightning's Corps. Uniform)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 13, 2016, 02:45:45 PM
U++ mastered and cm'd

Used the mage meta method.

Worked like a charm.

I had to run it twice because I didn't have strange vision as a roaming warrior.  1st attempt I tried clouds osb and it didn't impress. Plus I got wrecked early.

2nd one went much smoother after I found a selphie pal.

I'd like Beatrix's lightbringer, but I'm going to hold off on the next few banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2016, 03:31:59 PM
I'm planning three pulls on Banner 2, since, while Banner 1 has pretty amazing content, there are enough dupes and unwanted leftovers for me to err on the side of caution (don't care about Steiner's Excalibur, Eiko's Burst is amazing but I already have crit-boosting SBs and I'm not sure I want to waifu her up, I have all her other SBs). Meanwhile, I'd be fine with all of the stuff on Banner 2 and want Vivi's BSB really bad. Beatrix's SSB is also crazy good. But we'll see. Getting a second mage BSB would be really peachy, especially with En-element - without an En-element, Terra's already dealing -amazing- damage off her Burst commands, and I can only imagine how could Vivi build up on that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 14, 2016, 02:26:23 AM
Did two pulls on Banner 1, and as usual got none of what I really wanted but some nice consolation prizes. Freya's Trident, Kuja's Gloves, Golden Hairpin and Excalibur. So, two en-elements, my best boostga so far, finally a use for dark meta, and even Excalibur is a holy boost weapon to pair with a Platinum Shield, plus the weird DEF mechanic will actually work well with Ramza's burst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 14, 2016, 03:42:29 AM
Spent almost all my Mythril on Banner 1, chasing after Freya's Trident.

...Got Garnet's Divine Guardian and 2x Kuja's Gloves.  Bah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 14, 2016, 04:13:12 AM
Decided to try my luck after all, what would be the worst that could happen?

... the game trolling me with two Kuja's Gloves and a Striking Staff on the first two pulls. Then, it landed me Excalibur and Lightbringer, the latter being what I really wanted. All is forgiven, DeNA.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 15, 2016, 07:12:57 PM
Finally got around to U++ Diamond Weapon, with the help of Magic's Hope BSB RW. Team setup:

(http://i.imgur.com/IyDq2n1h.png)

One shared AoE heal and one shared AoE mid regen used for SBs. My FFXIII mage thrower and mage fist put in some off-realm work, but Vincent + RW did the vast majority of the damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 15, 2016, 07:51:20 PM
That's a lot of Gold Bangles.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 17, 2016, 02:55:42 AM
I put off Diamond Weapon until tonight and had to call it quits on the CM attempt in order to get mastery at all before time expired, mainly thanks to lack of synergy MAG weapons I could give to Vincent. (I probably could have won with enough S/L, but didn't want to take the chance that my setup was flawed and end up with nothing.) Sheepsong + Hope RW + actually having mages to support the holy caster = easy win.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 17, 2016, 12:44:30 PM
Six pulls on Vivi's banner because I wanted Flame Staff. As it's bound to happen with this game, I got -every single item on the banner- except the Flame Staff. Oh well, I'll live with waifu Beatrix (Seiken Shock is just so good, guys), husbando Steiner and Kuja and goodies for Quina and Freya. I also got that Bistro Fork to 8* because good synergy spears are hard to come by and I have a SSB for Cid as well, who has the same equipment issues as Freya. Zidane's Imperil Wind may come in handy with my ever increasing gamut of Wind-elemental SBs as well, while Steiner's Imperil Fire SSB plays nicely with Terra's BSB commands. I should never pull on a FF9 banner again, though.

This said, did all the Ultimates CM-style. Taharka was a joke, Kraken notably less so because killing his tentacles puts you under risk of losing medals and it's hard to keep all of the targets debuffed without a Dancer (which FF9 has none of), so I had to seriously hold off on the AoE SBs. Meltigemini, even with native Boostga, Medica, Hastega and a SG RW, has quite scary offense, to the point I didn't regret bringing both Garnet and Eiko for healing. Heck, even Garnet's default SB was useful because it stacks with Quina's HotE clone. Otherwise, it was mostly keeping people up while Beatrix and Steiner did the dirty work (so... much... damage with their weakness-hitting SBs). The Tier Challenge mission's going to suck.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 17, 2016, 01:31:50 PM
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 17, 2016, 04:44:10 PM
hi greftar
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 17, 2016, 08:39:15 PM
I should never pull on a FF9 banner again, though.
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 17, 2016, 08:43:49 PM
i'm saying i shouldn't, not that i won't
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 17, 2016, 09:17:56 PM
Woo, mastered the U++ CM.

Quina L70 - Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R4 - Ace Striker - Mighty Guard (IX)
Garnet L67 - Curaga R5/Alexander R4 - Dr. Mog's Teachings - Divine Guardian
Eiko L66 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Knight's Charge - Emerald Light
Kuja L65 - Momento Mori R3/Dark Zone R3 - Mako Might - Dread of Death
Vivi L78 - Blizzaja R4/Firaga R4 - Devotion - Focus Magic
RW: Hope's Divine Judgment

So, strategy: Garnet and Eiko rocked Gigas Armlets, while Vivi had the Gulug Stone, Quina had the Carnelian Signet, and Kuja rocked the Blaze Armlet.  Got lucky on turn 1 with Eiko, and she managed to get Shellga off before ZThorn's first turns, so I only took 1600ish damage.  After that, Divine Guardian, Dread of Death, and nuke down Zorn first, because my Ice resistance was less than good.  Towards the end of the twins' life, Vivi gets Focus Magic off.

Still have to go fast because Momento Mori, twins fuse, Meltigemini wastes his first turn causing poison, which is immediately met with another Divine Guardian.  Kuja pops the RW first while Vivi casts Firaga for the medal requirement, then pops the RW as well.  Kuja's was dealing about 21K a cast, while Vivi's was dealing 33K.  Quina kept it debuffed, Garnet and Eiko healed continuously...  Had one very lucky turn where anything damaging would've killed me, but he decided to use Virus Gas, and let me get back on my feet again.  Then the two casters ended him.

Hard fight, and I know I was complaining about not drawing Freya's Spear on banner 1, but...  I seemed to draw pretty much everything I outright needed to master this CM.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on October 18, 2016, 03:40:24 AM
Farming for Berserker's RM2 reminds me how awful RM farming is in this game, ugh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on October 18, 2016, 04:43:39 AM
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 18, 2016, 01:35:15 PM
Not sure why I tried to bring quina for the u+ fight?

Reset, brought Ramza and wrecked him. U++ to follow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 18, 2016, 02:02:48 PM
CM'd the U++, Mage Meta'd the previous two.  Of note...

Kraken taught me that Garnet's Defend command on her Burst is MT.  Had to leave and bring in Kuja instead, since Garnet has no ST offense whatsoever.  Winning run, didn't kill a single tentacle.

Set up for the CM:

Beatrix: R3 Saint's Cross, R5 Lifesiphon, +20% Sword damage RM (she has Seiken Shock)
Garnet: R2 Protectga, R3 Alexander, Ace Striker (has her BSB)
Vivi: R2 Chain Firaga, R5 Firaja, Devotion (has his SSB and his 2nd Unique SB, neither are particularly useful outside of the SSB being extra ammo for the first phase, which he usually didn't get)
Eiko: R2 Shellga, R5 Curaja, Dr. Mog's Teachings (Flames of Rebirth SSB)
Quina: R3 Full Break, R5 Magic Breakdown, Mako's Might (has Angel Snack SB)
RW: Wall

I should have given Quina something other than Mako's Might because Beatrix was not far from the Attack Soft cap as is, and Quina's damage wasn't too meaningful, and my winning run was when I just skipped the recasting of it and had Quina focus entirely on stat downs.  This would haven't been doable without Seiken Shock because the occasional ability to just ignore one of his actions added much needed breathing room, and Garnet's BSB gave me the occasional emergency healing necessary.

I got close one run but he snuck in an Ultimate Meteor a clock tick before Beatrix could sneak in a killing Saint's Cross and thus lost.  That wouldn't have been a mastery, but Cid Mission, who cares about mastery, you just want completion.  Winning Run was a mastery where I lost one medal on damage (...feels like its hould have been two)  and Vivi died, but whatever that's done.  Thank god Cid Missions are lowered down to U+ after this, because U++ are just too demanding for Cid Missions, and Diamond Weapon was only do-able thanks to that Hope BSB trick with Vincent, and Meltigemini because I had a bunch of really good tools on my FF9 PCs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 18, 2016, 04:42:00 PM
Well, DeNa Global is closing, (http://toucharcade.com/2016/10/18/dena-dissolve-us-offices/) so....hm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 18, 2016, 05:00:36 PM
From what I understood on the closing note, this means closure for the west-developed games. FFRK is developed by JP in collaboration with Squeenix and its translation services are pretty much a phone-in from JP with liaisons through support in DeNA west. I figure we'll see an official announcement regarding the game within the month, though.

EDIT: Seems like Global's being handled by ngmoco, which is also getting terminated. Iunno how will they handle this if at all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 19, 2016, 07:12:52 PM
Curada Nightmare dealt with. This is a really far departure from the first WM Nightmare, which forced your hand into playing one way really hard. The hot potato gimmick is interesting on paper, but feels really convoluted to pull off in practice, so having the option to just bruteforce it down actually works nicely. My winning setup, after failing pretty hard on the first go, went like this:

L80 Loserface (Gust R4/Phantasm R4, Hardened Assassin)
L80 Y'shtola (Wrath R4/Curaga R5, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Porom (Curaja R5/Diaga R4, Mako Might)
L80 Yuna (Alexander R5/Maduin R5, Devotion)
L80 Selphie (Diara R5/Curaise R4, Holy Might)

RW: Selphie's Strange Vision

So, the idea was mainly just gunning Guardian down with little to no regard for the gimmick. Ninja magic works -really- well, since it bypasses the obscene defenses all around, though you want native Wall to play the bruteforcing game (Atomic Ray counters add up). Strange Vision was mostly to speed up the process, since it's a MND buff and it also gives you a source of Dispel. I had Selphie running the BSB commands there - was my best offense for the fight outside Phantasm, really. Yuna completed the Gust-Summon 2HKO combo with Tyro and provided extra damage, while Y'shtola spammed the hell out of Wrath for dropping Stoneskins and Aetherial Pulses. Bringing both walls was actually useful for once to boot: I had Tyro refresh the SSII buff with SG while Y'sh covered up with AP. Wrath'shtola pretty legit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 20, 2016, 04:57:20 AM
Beat the Nightmare.

First off, Lich can burn in hell.  Fight was an RNG fest of the stupidest kind because "lol Warp decides to hit someone!" or "lol I paralyzed the character just before they acted!" and all that nonsense.


That said, the Nightmare was...not a fight that really works in RK.  So many things can fuck with the flow of the fight as intended, "Brute Force" is basically the only viable option.  I had to craft and hone a bucnh of stuff for this fight.

Initially I went with 2 extra copies of Diara up to R4, that ended up being a waste of Orbs.  Curaise was done as well, ALSO a waste.  Things that weren't a waste?

-Honing Alexander and Valefor to R4.
-Getting Phantasm to R5, Gust to R4, Fire veil to R5, and Water Veil to R4. 

Took me a bunch of attempts, and even two victories to get a Mastery due to miss-reading the Dispel condition initially, but I did it with the following team:

Yuffie: R5 Fire Veil, R4 Water Veil, Some Magic Boosting RM
-She has Clear Tranquil, and is wielding Maria's SSB Bow++; yeah, no synergy, but best I got for a 2nd Ninja
Aerith: R4 Alexander, R4 Valefor, Devotion
-She has her SSB and was higher level than Eiko hence won out.  Yuna was redundant with Relm who has her SSB so figured why not for Reraise?  Turns out that was handy beacuse of his late 90% Gravity nonsense.   She's also using Penelo's SSB Rod for +Holy since it boosts Alexander.
Relm: R4 Dispel, R5 Curaja, Knight's Charge
-She has her SSB and Ultros SB, both are useful here actually.  Her SSB for obvious reasons, but her Ultros SB sometimes was just occassional extra ammo that while 1800~ damage doesn't seem like much, remember the way the fight flows, every little bit counts
Porom: R5 Diaga, R5 Curaga, Mako's Might
-Has her SSB, so there for Hastega.  Heals like Relm, has Diaga for the condition.
Tyro: R5 Phantasm, R4 Gust, The +30% Ninja RM whose name eludes me
-Straight forward really; Tyro is my DPS character since only one with Ninja 5 who gets Synergy, and twinked for magic.  He also has his BSB and Sentinel Grimoire, which are both vital.
RW: Keeper's Grimoire

Aerith using Alexander + Tyro using Gust takes down the Launchers instantly.  I get Keeper's Grimoire up ASAP and then play it VERY SAFE until I can get Sentinel Grimore up.  From there, it's just a case of keeping up momentum and not blowing away resources.  It worked and glad that's over with.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 21, 2016, 04:09:35 PM
Setzer's burst miiiiiiiiiiiight be the best thing ever. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMol12V9ghE&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 21, 2016, 06:56:41 PM
There's no "might" in this statement. Dear god, sometimes this fucking game is great.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 21, 2016, 11:47:52 PM
Welp. I was thinking of foregoing waifu pulls to get some much needed FF2 gear (and because lol I do not need more FF6 relics) but that is really cool and I wouldn't mind getting one of Locke's relics from the banner that Setzer's burst is on.

I kinda want to try for Celes' burst but I have so much stuff for the other characters featured on that banner that I can't really justify it.

EDIT: Welp, got Locke's and Setzer's SSBs and a second Chocobo rod. I can probably get mythril for another pull before the event is over but uh probably won't be worth it. Even just their SSBs make them eligible for a CM and I do really need to start beefing up my weaker realms if I'm going to beat all the Nightmare CM dungeons eventually.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 23, 2016, 05:34:26 PM
Beat nightmare Gigases, no CM.

Setup for the L250 fight:

Onion Knight (R3 Full Charge, R3 Fullbreak), Mako Might, FF6 Blood Sword
Rinoa (R1 Meltdown, R5 Valefor), Ace Striker
Shitbrat (R3 Biogrenade, R4 Hi-Unfaith), Dr. Mog's
Selphie (R3 Faith, R4 Maraise), Battleforged
Y'shtola (R5 Wrath, R5 Curaja), Dualcast White
SG RW

Trash rounds:

The trash in this one felt SIGNIFICANTLY more durable than in previous L250 nightmares, but this is partly due to a tweak to my usual setup (I usually bring Krile for her BSSB commands instead of Rinoa, whose BSB doesn't have an MT attack burst), and partly because I was better prepared to fight several enemies at once instead of one tanky enemy, and there were several of the latter. A few SLs here and there until Y'shtola got enough SB for her BSB, then things went more smoothly (quick-hit Curaja is so, so, so, so, so good).

The Gigases:

General strategy went, deal AoE damage as much as possible while focusing down one gigas at a time, ideally only ever having one below ~50-60% HP at a time. With this setup, teardown order doesn't really matter as long as you're focusing them down one at a time with AoE thrown in as efficient. I set up SG before taking down the last round of trash, though honestly I probably should have saved it to have as a panic button early on, or applied it as the first gigas approached its weak phase. Anyway, with that in mind my timings ended up being 1. Refresh SG after taking down the first Gigas and 2. make sure the 2nd gigas is down before the second SG wears off.

Onion Knight did his thing. Once I ran out of Full Charge charges, I switched him to using his Magic BSB command, partly because it outdamages the physical one when not coupled with Full Break even BEFORE taking into account that after faith I am at +90% MAG. I really only ever used Full Break on one Gigas at a time, since I needed the DPS too badly to knock them down in time.  I'm also lucky enough to have his AoE Damage + 50% MHP Heal SSB, which gets Powerchained with his Magic BSB command.

Selphie: Shit goin' down? If y, heal. If n, OK/Rinoa buffed? If y, throw out some damage. If n, buff.  Oh my god Selphie is slowly becoming my favorite PC, and  someday I want to see just how many magic buffs I can get stacked on one character just for fun.

Every Gigas is weak to Earth, so Rinoa's BSB and OSB shined here. Just made sure to build enough SB gauge to always remain in burst mode, and throw out OSBs when I have excess. This ended up being about 4 OSBs thrown out with a ton of BSBs too. The SB gauge build bonus from her always hitting weakness was icing on an already overpowered cake. It's a damn shame she doesn't have Support 4, because access to Wrath would make her better than my Terra FFS.

You can figure out what Shitbrat and Y'shtola were up to during the fight. A couple things I would tweak if I could: make OK go full-mage mode with Chain Bioga and some other 5* BM, but BM is literally the only skillset I do not have the motes to unlock. >_<. This would free up Tyro's Bio Grenade slot (for the mastery reqs) for Break Fever. Still, a minor change that was mostly irritating because it highlighted my OK's sole deficiency in a really obnoxious way. Even though he does have the stats to pull off this dual ATK-MAG build it is still outright weaker than just specializing in MAG or ATK.

So, I noticed that in the final Shitbrat's Collection banner, Rinoa's Enearth dress is a freebie option. After this Gigas fight, I am sorely tempted to go for it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 24, 2016, 10:39:05 AM
100-Gem got me Guy's Ogrekiller.

11-draw got me Leon's Defender and nothing else.

900 gems because I was feeling hopeful got me jack squat.

Teams for the U and U+ involved the following characters:

Minwu - Token White Mage
Maria - Ran Stoneja and Chain Stonega
Guy - Ran Meteor Crush and either Lifesiphon or Banishing blade, popping Earth Drum whenever it was up.
Gordon - Full Break/Magic Breakdown for Emperor and Reflect for Lamia, popping Goddess's Bell whenever it was up.
Leon - Saint's Cross and either Banishing Blade or Armor Break

Highlights:
One shot Emperor.  Earth Drum made Maria's Chain Stoneja kinda nutty - about 14K/cast.
Leon was consistently the weak link, even with his new SSB.  Granted, it actually helped during the Lamia fight, since it meant that she wasn't putting anyone important to sleep.
Accidentally killed Gordon with Chain Stonega when I didn't notice Reflect ran out on him.  Funny enough, I still got Mastery (1 medal lost down the line), AND I got Gordon's RM3 while he was dead.

Tried to do the CM team with the U++, but it was just an exercise in frustration, ESPECIALLY since it was a rehash of that Esthar Soldier bullshit.

Y'shtola L71 - Curaja R5/Wrath R3 - Mako Might - Stoneskin 2
Hope L78 - Alexander R4/Protectga R2 - Devotion - Divine Judgment
Guy L65 - Meteor Crush R2/Lifesiphon R4 - Ace Striker - Earth Drum
Faris L68 - Full Break R3/Exhausting Polka R3 - Battleforged - Sea Lord's Broadside
Leon L71 - Saint's Cross R3/Dark Zone R3 - Dr Mog's Teachings - Darkborne Blade
RW: Cecil's Paladin's Force

The skills Leon had didn't really matter, since he was there to pop Darkborne Blade and the RW.  Thinking on it, I should've had Guy doing that since Meteor Crush ATK buffs, but eh.
Y'shtola died on the third wave.  I decided to press on, in spite of that.
Guy's damage was pretty consistently good, between Meteor Crush and Earth Drum.
Faris...  Full Break for the Mastery conditions, and then dancing to lower the incoming damage.  Sea Lord's Helped out on that too.  She had a bow in the back row and I though she wouldn't need to focus on damage, and I was right.
Hope: MVP of the fight again thanks to Divine Judgment.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 24, 2016, 02:31:16 PM
Mage Meta'd through all the Ultimates.

Team was Terra, Lulu, Tyro, Relm and Garnet for the Ultimate and Ultimate++, and Edea for the Ultimate+.  Straight forward and easy, though one reset against Lamia Queen because I went in with the wrong moves (Tyro had Breakdowns instead of Dances, for example.)  Whatever, 1 stamina, who cares.

I also did the Cid Mission, which I didn't master.  I almost did it one run, Firion needs to hit one more ti-*Sleep'd* nevermind.  Strategy was give Firion and Leon Pound and Lifesiphons (Leon also had Dark Bargain), Gordon covers the Breaks, Minwu heals, and Maria ignores her Evasion gimmick entirely.  Maria holds off on Chain Firaga until after her SSB goes off for the magic boost.   I know people tried to be creative with Reflect strategies, I just found it easier to set up around ignoring Blink XVI entirely and pummel her.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 24, 2016, 03:58:01 PM
Holy crap, they went there. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmZ9elRv7Qw)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 24, 2016, 04:52:18 PM
POISONING DOMA as a SB is both amazing and horrifying.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 24, 2016, 11:03:07 PM
Why does it not inflict Poison status?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on October 25, 2016, 08:18:55 PM
be still, my beating heart

rkjp just updated the dailies

summon orb dungeon, extra exp day, free mythril and most importantly the hardest dungeon costs 120 stamina a go, making daily farming take literally no time

Anyway, cleared the FF6 event, wrecked the CM but no surprise there. MC3 broke Locke and Relm in addition to a bunch of other people. I have no real plans to get them to L99 but it's nice to have waifu characters back in the farming pool
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 26, 2016, 03:40:21 AM
Spent $18 on gems for the LD, found out I only needed like $7 with the mixed payments.  Just means I have gems for the next 11 banners in first draws.

Got Yda's Twin Snake Dragon Kick SSB and Strago's Soul Sabre.

Not bad, I suppose, though not as good as the Beryl Serpent someone else here got.

FF2 Fragment Dungeon CM Mastered.

Gordon L65 - Full Break R3/Curaga R5 - Mako Might - Goddess's Bell - He was running Rosa's Bow so he could have some semblance of ATK while gaining good MND.
Leon L72 - Dark Bargain R2/Lifesiphon R4 - Knight's Charge - Darkborn Blade - Ran one of my Gigas Armlets.  The multi-elemental resistance was necessary, especially after Sentinel went off.  I'm now glad I drew the Defender while trying to chase Maria's BSB, since that turned out to be the lynchpin of this run.
Guy L65 - Meteor Crush R2/Pound R4 - Berserker's Awakening - Gaia Drum - Two things: I should've made a second Lifesiphon instead of making Pound, and I should've put on Ace Striker instead of Berserker's Awakening - the extra Gaia Drums might've won out over the +20% damage for equipping his Ogrekiller.  Easily my frailest, despite the fire resist from using Gordon's Flame Shield.
Minwu L68 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Master in White - Healing Moment - Minwu was running the Precious Watch for the Medica, and the Arctic Armlet.  With Leon eventually popping Darkborn Blade, Protectga was less necessary.
Josef L65 - Power Breakdown R3/Magic Breakdown R3 - Renewing Feather - Dr. Mog's Teachings - Josef was there for extra Breakdowns.  That's it.
RW: Shout - ...For all of the one character that benefited from it.

Ice Resist all around, since the Ogres seemed to use mostly Ice, and the Red Soul liked that element too, but since it also used Fire, Lightning, and Poison, having the Gigas Armlets out in full force was completely necessary.  That said, once one Ogre went down the fight became far easier.  Guy got blinded at the last moment, and I didn't have time to use Minwu's Basuna IV, but Leon pulled it out in the end.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 26, 2016, 12:38:18 PM
Lucky Draw: two All-Rounders and a second Yoichi's Bow. Well, fuck you too, game. At least I got Minwu's BSB from FF2's second banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on October 26, 2016, 03:35:28 PM
Hey, at least you can finally start that Blitzball team I always wanted!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 26, 2016, 03:44:20 PM
Freya's Partisan, Strago's Morningstar and my third Kaiser Shield. I didn't have any wallbreaks before, so that's.....something? And I think I can use Strago's SB to make the Magus Sisters mote fight doable, since Cindy's absurd RES was the sticking point last time around.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on October 27, 2016, 08:06:44 AM
Global: Heroic Scarf (VI) when I already have Cards
JP: http://i.imgur.com/699vNrv.jpg

bunnypremacy

also killed mo d200 phantom train, pictured master monk actually being useful: http://i.imgur.com/HSbDn1M.jpg
I played Tyro/Eiko and spammed Guardian Grimoire/Prayer of the Lost, but she got OHKOed at some point, oh well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 28, 2016, 08:30:36 PM
Took down the FF2 U+ Cid mission despite having only two FF2 relics and them both being for Leon. Just had to S/L until Minwu started with a full ATB bar so he could put Reflect on the boss and stop Blink XVI, and the rest was tank-and-spank (with my crappy synergy made less important by stacking Shout and HOTE). Things got dicey at the end because she kept spamming Charm and eventually ran out the clock on Reflect, but I killed her with the almighty evasion-ignoring power of ROPE KNIFE.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 29, 2016, 09:45:27 PM
Lucky Draw got me another Riot Blade and Barret's...you know what? who cares, it's a freaking Gun Arm so it's basically a booby prize because no one can use it outside one relatively crappy character who isn't even good for Cid Missions since there's another character who can do the exact same role with better weapon access.

...basically, I got a 5+* FF10 weapon, and a Rosetta Stone.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 03, 2016, 08:55:02 AM
Welp, now that we have a summon orb dungeon I'm basically working towards farming for R4 Bahamut and then R4 Ultima Weapon. All of my mages with great SBs except for Vivi can use Summon 5 as well, so yeah. I'll probably get rid of some of my 4* summons (Maduin) in order to speed up the process.

Looking at my skillset, I've got good 2+ hit alternatives to most of the chain series except ChBlizzaga, so I'm probably done farming Black orbs for the forseeable future. Especially once I get my last two Black Crystals and get to R2 Meltdown, there's no real reason Chain Firaga or Chain Stonega should ever see the light of day. In other schools, I have Bio Grenade for hitting mastery rewards and Mustadio shows up a lot in battles where I want to stack breakdowns, so Chain Bioga isn't very useful, and I have Ixion at R5 and the Dragoon 5* 4x Thunder Jump and a few useful units with 5* Dragoon (namely, Luneth, though Kimarhi is a mainstay of my FFX CM team), so no reason to hone Chain Thundaga. That said, I still need power orbs pretty badly so I suppose I'll keep farming on Tuesdays, too. I guess I can use the black orbs for an eventual R5 Chain Blizzaga?

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 03, 2016, 01:13:04 PM
Black Orbs can also be used for spellblades and magic Darkness abilities, so depending on what you have for your party, you may want to look into that. I already suspect I'll never stop farming Black Orbs, since, aside from my mage SSBs (I only have one mage BSB, and it's Terra... though I seriously can't complain. Her BSB commands have near-Chain-ga mults and four hits, which makes her amazing offensively), I have Celes kilted with her SSB -and- BSB, making her completely clutch for high-end content. I also have a lot of SSBs for spellblade users (Delita and Steiner, just for the most loaded ones... I even have Steiner's Imperil Fire SSB), so those 5* future Spellblade abilities are worth looking at too. It's so weird that we're entering the era where everything is awesome now. Heck, we're getting the Tidus OSB banner tonight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 03, 2016, 02:00:13 PM
Eh, yeah I thought about that especially since I...

oh shit i didn't brag about this

SO I failed to stop pulling on FF6 banners and got Celes' BSB (my 4th Boothga), Mog's Earth Bell, and Kefka's Quickcast SSB. Soooo yeah definitely a valid reason to be looking into those 5* spellblades.

Hey, come to think of it I don't have another viable water 5* skill (sapphire shot doesn't count), so I may as well pump that up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 03, 2016, 02:26:19 PM
Nostalgia beats my desire to win. Fft gets all of my mythril until that banner ends and fuck ffx
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 03, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
fucking duh
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 04, 2016, 12:17:42 PM
Speaking of nostalgia, scrounged up 50 Mythril for an 11-pull on the Apocalypse Banner. What I really wanted was Yuna's Chaos Rod, but anything on the banner was fine. End result: Paine's Sword, Rikku's Force Knuckle and Tidus Model. Between making Rikku even better, getting a nice FFX Light Armor and a damaging Hastega for CMs running off a Lifesiphoner with Knight 5, I'm perfectly fine with this.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 04, 2016, 11:16:01 PM
I'm hijacking this topic to post gacha results for FFBE.  Here's my half price daily pull for today:

(http://i.imgur.com/JsZYzrb.png)

That's like 2.5 mythril spent to get something with a .5% chance of obtaining.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 05, 2016, 02:19:38 AM
Nice! It'll be cool to see you using someone other than Kefka!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 05, 2016, 02:24:08 AM
Just for that I'm using White Witch Fina.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 05, 2016, 07:16:20 AM
Cid Mission'd Ahriman.

Set Up was:
Basch: R3 Saint's Cross, R4 Banishing Strike, Pride of the Red Wings
Vaan: R2 Thief's Revenge, R4 Power Breakdown, One Eyed General (he has Pyroclasm SSB)
Gabranth: R2 Magic Lure, R2 Protectga, WoL's Physical -> Holy Damage RM
Penelo: R2 Multbreak, R4 Heathen Frolic Samba, Mako's Might (Intercession SSB)
Larsa: R2 Shellga, R5 Curaja, Dr. Mog's Teachings
RW: Shout

Gabranth is twinked for pure defenses, though he does have that 5* FF12 Dagger so with the RM, he can add a bit of damage from time to time (just under 4k, not great, but every bit helps.)  With the buffs and debuffs in place, he's taking on average 500 a shot.  Larsa plays healer, because Penelo's busy dancing.  He has a Soul Break RM because I want him alive through the first Maser's Eye and insured to having a full gauge by then is not insured, so I fire off Blink Strike at the right time, he survives.  Than you Magic for reminding me that is a thing...for all that the winning run it didn't matter (he got physicaled, survived Maser Eye! ...only to die to Poison immediately after -_-.)  Penelo can sometimes heal with her Soul break, and Intercession w/ her own Rod is about an extra 11k damage.  Basch is damage capping every strike after Shout, so use Saint's Cross until runs out, then Banishing Strike.  Given eh's my DPSer, I want every one of his hits to matter, so he also fires off Shout both times.  Vaan is Power Breakdown because every little bit helps, and Thief's Revenge to alleviate healing from Larsa a bit, and extra DPS (got his level raised that he can hit 5 times w/ Synergy.)
Shout was used immediately, and right after Immobilize.  My team's DPS was high enough (especially since Vaan can reset the buff on himself) that it wasn't necessary for more.

Failed strategies prior!
-The Hope RW one.  Particularly because no Hastega means only Ashe can really act thanks to the RW, and yeah, not a position I want, and I didn't feel like I could spend turn slots on Haste.
-A similar strategy to the above but with Fran (who has her Full Break SSB) over Vaan.  She has lower DPS outside of her Soul Break, and that was the selling point.  I thought having another Full Break reapplied would help alleviate some of Penelo's issues, but turns out this was problematic.  Also, Vaan could more easily equip a +Damage RM thanks to Soft Cap, a little harder to do with Fran using a Bow.

Annoying fight, glad it's over with, I even won with only one Medal loss!


Haven't touched either new event because I want to maximize Gysahl Green doubling.  I know there's time after that ends to do them so...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 05, 2016, 11:37:39 AM
lol literally the day after I make those posts the FF3 event introduces dread Heal, which is basically Chain Drainga. Should help with FF5, FF7, and FF13 CMs, at least. (I don't think I have any SSBs for any of the other mage 5* Darkness characters, at least. I may have one if I pull on the FF3 Cloud of Darkness banner, which is a possibility. I'm not sure even with OK and Luneth's BSBs and OK's healing SSB I'll be able to pull off CMs in that realm yet).

FF9 U++ CM mastered. The boss was weak to Fire, and I have Vivi's BSB. Do the math.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 06, 2016, 01:42:37 PM
Did a 100-gem pull on the Bad Boy Brawl banner and got meself Zell's Crystal Glove. I didn't even know I wanted this, but holy crap is this SB good. Instant 8x mult attack that buffs Attack, Defense and RES by 30% (i.e. buff stack city)? Oh god yes. Also mastered Rikku and Paine SSBs, level-capping Paine along the way. Geosgaeno's gonna weep like a little bitch.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 07, 2016, 12:10:50 PM
... the 100-gem pull on banner 2 net me Lulu's Magician Mog. WELP.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 08, 2016, 09:30:38 PM
Up to 200 mithril for the ff4 sploogefest.

Hoping for some good results!

Ffx and coliseum events completed.

Water really wrecks most the hard content.

Mc3 broken characters are: Vaan, Tyro, Cecil, Ramza, and Luneth.

Terra probably next.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 09, 2016, 12:14:14 AM
look at the dirty filthy things i am doing to your account bro

Nice! It'll be cool to see you using someone other than Kefka!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 09, 2016, 03:45:30 AM
Actual response: I approve of these decisions and I'm glad you're taking care of the account and having fun with it, Scar! Also it's nice to see you using someone other than Kefka.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 10, 2016, 04:00:55 AM
Caught up with everything.  The Colosseum stuff was easier than I thought; figured they'd be ultimate level, but nope, only +++ level, so steam rolled.

This FF10 event honestly felt like a total waste and filler.  Oh, it gave us Wedding Dress Yuna and...nothing else meaningful?  No, Shooter skills don't count; that's not intrinsically tied to this event, could have been shoved on any event.  The thing that stands out is that on top of minimal new content, the Ultimates just felt LAZY.  Seymour got steamrolled, Geosgano I didn't have to put much thought into to Cid Mission and I was suboptimally built ("Oh, he actually has a magic move? Probably should have brought Shell!"), Omega Weapon was a generic DPS machine whose only remote gimmick was gravity to get through Mitigation.

There's boring events, and then there's this one which feels "WE MUST HAVE AN EXCUSE FOR AN FF10 EVENT!!!" ...when they had a VERY OBVIOUS EXCUSE in the form of Seymour and he even fits this event's theme.  But no...just a boring, generic event that I put little thought into and mastered.


Lucky Draw did as well, got Tifa's SSB.  Not too excited since I don't need more FF7 fists, and I have Tifa's BSB already, but at least it's not a total wash since it is still +10 Attack to her.  Certainly better than the last Lucky Draw that got me a Barret relic -_-
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 10, 2016, 10:01:45 AM
Realm draw got me three relics.

Yuffie's Wutai Headband (Clear Tranquil)
Cloud's Guise (Climhazzard)
and a second Power Staff (Lenna's Flames of War)

So...  Not the best, but not a total loss now?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 10, 2016, 06:19:02 PM
There's going to be a Rafa/Malak FFT event in JP soon. I assume Malak will have a Frogsplosion OSB, while Rafa will be the first spellcaster with Sentinel.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 11, 2016, 01:28:44 PM
Golbez has Knight 5!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 11, 2016, 04:27:16 PM
Omega.

O bliterated.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on November 11, 2016, 04:31:43 PM
Recent pulls.

FFX Banner a while ago - Rune Mog (solo pull)

FFIX banner - Bistro Fork (solo)
 
Some FFX banner  - Flexible Arm (solo)

FFVII  stuffs -  Was hoping for Aerith 's ended up with two Cid Goggles, two Crystal Combs, Apopolypse and Ragnarok.

FFXII - Aldebarans (solo)

FFX banner - Warrior's Glove (solo)

Girl Power - Beast Killer x 2, Rosa's bow, Yoichi's Bow, Wizer Rod ~

Keeper's choice 2 - Excalibur for Bartz, another Sentinel Grimore, Physician's Staff~

Picked this up from somewhere - Excalibur for Steiner

Lucky Relic Draw - Zanetzuken, another Yoichi's Bow

Size Matters Not - Shiny Thing, Flame Staff,  Fire Lash x2

Playing this again~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 13, 2016, 01:27:21 PM
Pulled on the FFXI banner, got P... Pap.... Momotaro? uh, whoever, point is I got another Stackable Faithga (MAG+Mdef)

This makes... three ATK+MAG SBs (OK, Celes, and the liberty staff, all 1.3x), one MAG+Mind BSB on Selphie, and a kinda crappy (1.1x) pure faithga on Vincent. Alternately, I could RW Sheepsong or Hastemarch and get another 1.3x. Or, just use Faith or Mana's Praen (though if I'm bringing a Bard Allegro Con Moto would be strictly better).

Unless I'm doing the math wrong or misremembering mults that's a potential ~185% MAG increase.

Silly. Absurdly silly.

In other news, I decided that since I had a 50% Max HP Medica, Faistboothga, and decent damage BSB on OK, OK, and Luneth, I was gonna do the CM for U+ Xande.

At first I misread the Japanese and thought he was weak to Dark, but it turns out that's just the only element he doesn't resist, so my first runs through with Cloud of Darkness egged to L80 fell flat. I swapped her out with Refia, but was still having trouble since relying on OK to heal everyone, deal damage, and keep everyone boostga'd, but couldn't build his SB gauge fast enough to do it all. Eventually I realized that Xande always spent the first two turns buffing himself, so I could build SB Gauges using hit and run tactics. Final Setup was:

Onion Knight (Curaja, Full Break), Battleforged, set up with Terra's sword to effectively do both physical and magic damage
Luneth (Dark Bargain, Indoor Spell), Ace Striker
Ignus (Banish Raid, Magic Breakdown)
Refia (Punishing Palm, Full Charge)
Arc (Ultra heal, Maraise), shared Cura-level Medica SB, Dualcast White
SG RW.

Ultimate Meteo, which either unlocks at an HP trigger or after a certain amount of time, whichever comes first, is ITD and basically ended every single unsuccessful attempt. That said, I still needed wall to help with everything else he did. That's part of why I resorted to building up SB gauge, so I could ensure that OK had enough to cast his BSB at the start, refresh it before the HP trigger, and have two more bars available to use his Chain Magic BSB command into his healing spell. I did eventually win, but it was a full two hours of S/Ling because I got ganked by two meteos in a row. It also helped having Arc at two bars to start, so he could cast Shell and immediately use his shared Cura SB when U Meteo unlocks.

Beating it makes me pretty glad I didn't do a pull on the 3 banners in the name of making the realm CM-able. I don't think I could pull off Arhiman's Mote Dungeon's CM yet unless Arhiman is hard coded to not attack for two round, but I may give it a shot.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 13, 2016, 11:03:43 PM
Papalymo's buff is -crazy- for mages. MAG boost, Hastega AND quickcast is amazing on mage parties. I already often favor Braska's MAG+Quickcast buff in lieu of Krile's because of the fast casting (and I can cover Hastega from a lot of other sources), having both Hastega and that on a single SB is nutso good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 14, 2016, 02:18:09 AM
no not papalymo, Shantoto. For some rason I couldn't remember it when I posted earlier
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 14, 2016, 06:05:04 PM
Oh, I see. It's still fine, mag+res buffing + damage is pretty danged good anyway, especially with how absurdly MAG stacks in this game. The best part about it is allowing you to cover both slugfesting and buffing utility in a single move (which I sometimes miss with, say, Sheepsong or Summoner's Dream).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 16, 2016, 04:17:30 AM
[19:05] <MagicFanatic> "Oh hey, new Nightmare Bann- oh.  It's not a Lucky Draw."
[19:06] <MagicFanatic> "100-Gem, let's see how rekt I ge- oh it's a 5 star!  What- oh.  Rekt anyway."
[19:06] <MagicFanatic> I got Barret's Atomic Scissors.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 16, 2016, 09:58:21 AM
Last two 100-gems (Noel event banner 2 and Nightmare Support) net me respectively Raines' Gloves and Red XIII's Magic Comb, which is far more than I'd ever expect from banners I don't feel like trying my luck on. Also completed the Nightmare dungeon and Noel's Ultimates, but I'll list setups later.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 16, 2016, 05:07:12 PM
Get your mythril ready: Black Friday BSB Lucky Draw.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 16, 2016, 06:14:17 PM
I'm drooling as we speak.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 16, 2016, 06:20:00 PM
When I made a throwaway JP account for their second anniversary just to see the shiny, my BSB draw was Reno and DK Cecil, so I figure as long as I pull anything other than Tiny Bee or a dupe this will at least be as good as that one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 16, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
Damn.

Might have to save 25 mithril for that.

Seems like it would be the best banner we've gotten yet if it's true.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 16, 2016, 09:43:05 PM
It's pretty easily the best banner ever in global. Also, we're getting 5 free mythril per day for 10 days as a Thanksgiving bonus, so you don't even have to save!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 16, 2016, 10:52:13 PM
100 Gem Draw on Serah/Noel 2: Sazh's SSB.  Not something I wanted per se, but a pleasant surprise.
100 Gem Draw on Support Lucky Banner: 4* ...yeah, can't care.

Beat the 13-2 Event, the event doesn't like Mages.  First fight was just typical beat down, 2nd fight I Cid Mission'd w/ Snow/Sazh/Vanille/Raines/Fang because that's basically the Soul Breaks I had, and 3rd fight, I got close with Mage Meta at first but it blew me up and failed the mastery because getting through that with no turn OR Damage loss...yeah.  Went back in after a few failed attempts of Mages with Shout Drawtaliate Method of Auron (drawtaliator, I have his SSB), Ramza (Duh?), Tyro (Sentinel Grimoire and his BSB), Locke (Mirage Dive for the Slow condition, and Valiant Attack for the rest of the fight), and Relm (healer, has Portrait of Lakshmi)


...Atlas is stupid on that note.


Haven't touched the nightmares yet because Tuesdays/Wednesdays are useful dailies, so tomorrow I'll get to that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 16, 2016, 10:58:59 PM
When I made a throwaway JP account for their second anniversary just to see the shiny, my BSB draw was Reno and DK Cecil, so I figure as long as I pull anything other than Tiny Bee or a dupe this will at least be as good as that one.

Man, I'd be okay even with Tiny Bee because of the +10 MND and because I can stack magic buffs so insanely I could make Yuna a decent sustainable damage unit (it works WONDERS for Terra). I'm good as long as I don't get dupes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 17, 2016, 01:12:46 PM
Affliction Break Nightmare down!

Rosa L80 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Divine Heal - Concentrate 2
Tyro L80 - Lifesiphon R4/Piercing Strike R4 - Sentinel's Grimoire/Keeper's Tome - Ace Striker
Edward L78 - Full Break R3/Mental Breakdown R3 - Fabled Song - Secrets of the Qu
Ramza L79 - Magic Breakdown R3/Pound R4 - Shout - Pride of the Red Wings
Faris L77 - Power Breakdown R3/Armor Breakdown R3 - Sea Lord's Broadside - Battleforged
RW: Firion's Blademaster

Stamina spent building SB meter for everyone before the actual try: 15.

Rosa heals and brings up Shellga when the healing isn't necessary.  Divine Heal was critical in phase 3.
Edward had a 5+ bow to deal DPS, while using his SB to cast Protect/Major Regen...  Oh hey, he's kind of like FF14 bards like this, now that I think about it.
Tyro...  Well, he was the Wall and the DPS Machine.  He was also the one using the RW, and between that and Shout, Tyro's Piercing Strikes were dealing over 9K damage.
Ramza cosplayed a DBZ character.
Faris shot the boss with a cannon a lot.  The fact that she could turn on and off two of the barriers at once helped quite a bit!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 17, 2016, 02:28:22 PM
Omega down. Dusk Decree RW on Terra wearing a lightning+ rod and Kaiser Shield made for 9999x4 commands, and it doesn't take that much Stop luck to win that way.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 17, 2016, 04:29:59 PM
If you go hone the Stop.. Dance? I forget if it's Dancer or Bard, but the stop skill has a higher base hit rate than the stop spell, and if you have someone with high MND like Penelo, I was able to get through using high-honed Ixion/Thundaja/Thundaga Strike/Thundara Strikes wailing on him without taking any damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 17, 2016, 04:32:55 PM
Halting Rumba has the same hit rate as Stop (70%), but yeah, it ignoring Reflect is enough reason to consider it against Omega as it stands. I had Vanille and Penelo with 500+ MND spamming the status and it was pretty glorious.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 17, 2016, 04:36:51 PM
Ohhh, that's what it was. All I remembered from the event was that Halting Roomba was for some reason better than the BLM skill.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 17, 2016, 05:45:17 PM
It's also AoE, so it's a strictly better skill. Makes sense, considering it's a 4*.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 17, 2016, 06:34:56 PM
I had Lenna with Halting Rumba and Krile with Stop. Krile's MND is kinda pathetic compared to Lenna's, but she still made an okay backup and I needed her on the team for Sheepsong so I made do.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 17, 2016, 07:22:03 PM
Ooph. Well if it worked it worked but in the future, note that if you have a low-MND character cast Stop and that enemy has been stopped already by a high MND character, and it procs, the timer gets overrwritten.

Generally, this is actually a pretty good strategy for curing Stop on your characters in battle, and basically the only reason why BLM3 isn't completely useless.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 17, 2016, 07:26:16 PM
Oh, yeah. Like I said, strictly a backup -- if HR hit, she held her turn until it cleared (or cast Chain Thundaga). If it missed, she used Stop to hopefully give me a breather until Lenna's next turn.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 17, 2016, 07:58:17 PM
Ah, gotcha, definitely the smart way to do it.

In other news, I just noticed the FFXI Cid's Mission only requires that you have Shantoto in your party, so that's cool. Also, a couple small updates I just noticed. Multiplayer bosses now have a 滅++ level in addition to a 滅 That's the one above Ultimate++, 200 difficulty), meaning we can now get an extra 50 4* motes an event, meaning I may bother beefing up characters who are not Tyro, Onion Knight, and Beatrix.

That said most 滅 bosses already kinda kick my ass if I'm paired up with idiots, which happens pretty often. That said the first 滅++ boss is Ultros so Angry Terra should have no problem taking him down.

In gloating news, the latest Nightmare dungeon is Velius.

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EDIT: Easiest U++ CM ever. Then again only requiring one character doesn't reaaaaally make it a CM. Regardless, I do think that's the first time I've curbstomped a U++ level boss without healing. Stacking walls (Agrias' BSB commands and SG) and stacking Breakdowns (Power, Mag, Full, and Musty's Full+Mind) meant he really couldn't do any damage, and Selphie/Agrias were just destroying his HP. Fun fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 17, 2016, 10:01:49 PM
Beat but didn't master the Affliction Break Nightmare.  It's mostly just a case of getting past phase 3 before 2 people die at this point.  If I can get my magic Blinks up right at the start of Phase 3, I SHOULD be fine.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 18, 2016, 12:11:49 AM
Hahahahahaha.

So

Fast Thunder is a thing now. I cannot fathom why they wouldn't just make it BLM instead of making a whole new class. Whatever. The point is both Terra, Krile, and Rinoa can access it so I don't really care. Sorry, Vivi, you are now objectively a worse choice instead of an equivalent one. 

Anyway, I beat the top level of Ultros I described in my last post. Here's the thing about Ultros: His weaknesses are Thunder and Fire. Someone brought along Allegro Con Moto. I don't think I've cranked out that many 99999 OSBs before.  Haste/Fast Thunder/ACM gave her basically Orlandu-level speed. In fact, there was an OSB wielding Orlandu on the team and I was outpacing and out damaging him. Suck it, guy who has a relic I want.

Plus at this stage of the game 4* abilities are cheap, I got both Fast Thunder and Fast Blizzard to R4 just with what I had in my reserves. Definitely going to be more useful on Rinoa/Terra soul breaks more than the 5* abilities, though I may as well hone the Thunder one since I don't have an amazing Thunder elemental BSB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 18, 2016, 12:48:08 AM
What's this "Ratio Blizzard" thing I just got from the FF11 event?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 18, 2016, 12:53:21 AM
Lacey-o is the 5* Sorceress Skill. Basically Ice elemental Full Charge, supposed to be paired with the 4* skills. Not worth using if you have the appropriate element in a BSB or OSB, since using the 4* skills' quick cast will net you better damage on that.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 18, 2016, 01:59:56 AM
100 gem pull on FF4: Yang's Hell Claws. Imperil earth! That's a thing I can probably build around, sooner or later.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 18, 2016, 03:08:29 AM
3 pulls.

Every relic on the banner...

EXCEPT ABELS LANCE!!!

My luck has carried over to this game too!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on November 18, 2016, 10:48:39 AM
What have you done.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 18, 2016, 01:32:05 PM
Getting six out of seven relics in a banner within three 11-pulls is crazy good luck.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 18, 2016, 01:47:34 PM
look at the dirty filthy things i am doing to your account bro
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 19, 2016, 06:55:17 AM
So I'm not one to even acknowledge, much less piss and moan about characters not being true to their games, but after getting Rafa and Malak, I did have to point out that it is quite clever to have given Rafa and Malak Ninja 4. Offhand Rafa is the much more versatile option (BLK5, WHT4, Dancer 4, Ninja 4, Sorceress 5. Sorc 5 is noteworthy because she also comes with what may be the first legitimately always useful starting SB: Next two turns have reduced cast times. Malak's is also pretty appealing: next turn has no charge, but this can't be chained like Rafa's, and his skillset variety is pathetic. him having Black 5/Ninja 5 would have made him fit into a very interesting niche  as a Ninja with high base MAG, but he only gets Ninja 4 in exchange for Dark 5.

Either way the rest of the week is going to be me resisting spending my 50 mythril on the FFT banners because good lord I don't need more FFT relics. The fact that I not only CM'd Nightmare++ Velius despite it having no reward for CMing that level of the fight, but thought it was trivial to the point that I didn't post about it here is a testament to that fact. Investments in FFT futures paid off, and also I have Gafgarion's burst from the anniversary banners.

And grefter before you

Quote from: ZennyIn2Days
So I failed to stop letting nostalgia rule my life and have Malak's BSB now because I am a goddamn slut

tough titty i did it first
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 19, 2016, 08:31:35 AM
You know you have a gambling addiction problem when you are excited for Rafa and Malak.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 19, 2016, 02:41:41 PM
"Man, my FF13 team is struggling. I'll do an 11 pull on the physical banner and at worst come out with SOMETHING to supplement that Peacemaker I pulled a year ago."

*Serah's Gloves*

"Fuck."
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 19, 2016, 10:45:38 PM
And finally mastered Necrophobe.  My team:


Faris: R5 Magic Breakdown, Thief's Revenge R2, Ace Striker.
-Faris has both her MT Dual-breaks, which works wonders in this fight as they toggle 2 probes at once.  Her inverse-wall is good for nerfing the damage of probes, and her Syldra one is nice because I found it hard to fit Mental Breakdown in the list (I have no mages), so if it opened with Green Nightmare Doom, she can use that as an emergency to undo it.  Ace Striker is there because Faris' DPS isn't a big deal, so I aimed for faster Soul Break charges.

Beatrix: R3 Saint Cross, R5 Lifesiphon, Dragoon's Determination
-I have Seiken Shock, and Magic Blink is incredibly useful in this fight.  I figure an extra DPSer who can Magic Blink is more valuable than a 3rd toggler, as I can get by with just two.

Fran: R4 Power Breakdown, R3 Armor Breakdown, +20% Spear Damage RM
-I have her SSB, so she can DPS at points, otherwise straight forward.  I realized I should fire off her SSB earlier rather than later to help blast past Phase 2, since that's the trouble phase, Phase 3 being a combination of things getting off in time, and the longer I spend in Phase 2, the worse it is.  I realized this in an ALMOST successful run, which failed msotly beacuse I didn't notice Beatrix's timer was near low, and well, you get the idea.

Ramza: R3 Full Break, R4 Lifesiphon, Dr. Mog's Teachings
-This is the first fight I used all 3 of his Soul Breaks.  Shout is obvious, Tailwind may have well be called "Second Wind" here because between Protectga for Vacuum Wave and providing a healing, it was useful at the start of Phase 2 (in short, my 2nd soul berak of his was always on that.)  In the succsesful run, I YOLO'd phase 2 near the end and used Hail of Stones...which triggered at the start of Phase 3, thereby nulling out one of his Flares.  Full Break mostly there to lower amount of damage I take in phase 1.

Tyro: R4 Wrath, R3 Carbuncle, Mako's Might
-Sentinel Grimoire, and his BSB was another emans of Magic Blink for the last phase (couldn't afford to drop SG at anytime).  I gave him Wrath since his DPS wasn't a big deal and Beatrix needs Lifesiphon to function in her role, and Carbuncle is there to shut down a lot of the ST Bullshit in Phase 2.

RW: Mighty Guard 8.  Shellga is necessary, extending Hastega doesn't hurt, and Heavy Regen helped lower the necessity of healing.



Glad that fight is over with, just so much that can go wrong.  Nowhere near as bad as the Curada one though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 21, 2016, 02:01:04 AM
New banner 100-Gem.  I get a 5*!

It's Rosa's Artemis Bow.  That's a duplicate.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 21, 2016, 01:45:25 PM
Did a 11x pull on FF4 banner 2 because everything but Yang's Fairy Claw felt fairly appealing to have (though I had my eyes set particularly on Palom's Asura Rod). As luck would have it, I got Palom's Asura Rod. Worth it.

On that note, I finished FF4's Ultimates. Very AoE/magic-centric set of battles. Setups went as follow:

Dark Dragon U

L80 Palom (Chain Firaga R3/Chain Thundaga R3, Ace Striker)
L80 Porom (Curaja R5/Shellga R4, Healer's Prayer 2)
L80 Golbez (Dark Zone R3/Memento Mori R4, Devotion)
L80 Edward (Magic Breakdown R4/Full Break R3, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Rydia (Alexander R5/Maduin R5, Eidolon's Bond)

RW: Maria's Song

Stacking mag buffs brutalizes things: the mission. Palom's SSB under Enholy, Asura Rod's Holy Boost and the mag buffs was dealing over 8k per hit. It's a 14x~ mult attack spread over eight hits. Uh yeah. I probably could capitalize on Palom's SSB on a mixed team with Beatrix's and Celes' BSBs, along with the added utility of the mag/res debuff. Pretty hot stuff.

Flan Master U+

L80 Palom (Chain Thundaga R3/Meteor R3, Ace Striker)
L80 Porom (Curaja R5/Shellga R4, Healer's Prayer 2)
L80 Tellah (Protectga R2/Ruinga R4, Familial Bond)
L80 Edward (Magic Breakdown R4/Full Break R3, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Rydia (Ixion R5/Maduin R5, Eidolon's Bond)

RW: Maria's Song

I didn't realize Flan Master had Reflect until too late, but it was irrelevant. The slight HP split between Flan Master and the Flans may lead you to think AoE needs some fine-tuning, but it's actually -too- slight to matter. You can AoE to your heart's content and eke out the win this way - in fact, I recommend it: the offense ramps up REAL fast and it's oddly spiky to boot. Porom died late in the fight, but no biggie: Palom closed the deal with his SSB anyway.

Calca & Brina U++

L80 Palom (Meteor R3/Chain Thundaga R3, Ace Striker)
L80 Krile (Ixion R5/Maduin R5, Mako Might)
L88 Celes (Protectga R2/Saint Cross R3, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Cait Sith (Heathen Frolic Sarabande R4/Multibreak R3, Battleforged)
L80 Selphie (Curaja R5/Shellga R2, Healer's Prayer 2)

RW: Sentinel's Grimoire

Well, here you -definitely- need to pay attention to the HP difference between Calcas and Brinas lest you want to face Calcabrinazord. The best idea is running AoE until the dolls are all low on HP and start chipping them out until only three or two are left (remember to keep a Calca AND a Brina alive!). By the end, once again Palom SSB to the rescue. Not terribly bad by any means, dances and SG make the dolls' offense very manageable.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 21, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
Ff4 event done.

My soul is crushed.

Everyone got better except Kain.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 21, 2016, 09:34:28 PM
heheheh
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 22, 2016, 12:33:21 PM
Guys, now that Multiplayer is a thing on Global, you think we could set up some sort of hub for us to do some raiding? We could have a regular Gtalk/voice chat thingy for the battles. MO is a lot of fun, but we probably want to do a setup where we can talk to each other on the fly, since battles are very touch-and-go. I can cover pretty much any niche I care to with my loadout, and I'm pretty sure you guys can pick up on the rest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 22, 2016, 01:14:39 PM
I'd be interested. I too have a lot of different roles I can cover.

Let me know the deets.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 22, 2016, 01:31:23 PM
My idea is that we earmark a night for hanging out on Gtalk or set up a Discord chat channel for it, since voicechat makes a huge difference for dictating the flow of battle. I'll need to tinker with Discord at home if we're going that route, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 22, 2016, 02:25:03 PM
FF4 Ultimates finished right they dropped, Cid Mission'd the U+.  Honestly, this set was a joke, and I'm grinding off Dark Dragon in hopes of getting Black Crystals.

If you have good mage meta, you completely wreck the U and U++ fights.  The U+...the Cid Mission is the only reason it gave me a modicum of trouble and easily fixed by going in with SG and using stuff like Bladeblitz on Cecil and Meteor/Bahamut on Rydia (Kain covers the Lightning weakness req.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 23, 2016, 07:43:23 PM
Y'know if anyone who is done playing the game wouldn't mind handing over their account (or at least letting me play on it) so I can hop onto some multiplayer shenanigans, that'd be p cool

JP news, FFT event down, CM done, etc. Izlude was a fun CM due to Izlude's weak and very weak forms being at something like 80% and 66%. Gafgarion's BSB is cool but would be a lot cooler on an account that didn't farm religiously. Drain Ability Uses is only so good. It may make Omega Drive worth making, come to think of it. lol watch as gaf doesn't even have combat 5

The Multiplayer Nightmare Velius fight was the hardest fight I have participated in in a while, largely because I was playing during peak hours and everyone is a goddamn IDIOT. So, the 3 Archaeodemons all have Life Drain, all resist Holy, and unlock Gigaflare (actually a cool little move that hits you based on positioning on the field. Kinda sucks for Player 2 and 3 though) after a certain time. On top of this, both Velius and the Archaeodeomons have a ton of HP, and Velius' defenses are around the same relative stupidity as Mote Dungeon Ifrit when he first came out. Cue:

1. Nobody agreeing on whether to blitz down the boss or take out the Archaeodemons first (either are valid strategies but you can't do both at the same time, and stickers don't allow for much coordination).
2. People Bringing in BSB Agrias (OSB Agrias is fine due to dual elemental) and then attacking the Archaeodemons with their holy-elemental attacks.
3. Nobody using breakdowns, or more smartly, Dances.* 
4. OSB Orlandeaux spamming their OSBs on different targets so Life drain is well over an OHKO even with a Y'shtola Asylum barrier.
5. People agreeing to take down the demons first but taking them all out piecemeal instead of focusing down a single demon at a time.
6. Many people not realizing just how many hones you need and running out by turn four because wow.
7. One particularly annoying Aeris who only had her reraise SSB, R2 Ultra Cure, and R4 Ultima Weapon and she wasn't built for dealing damage at all.

I eventually won by spelling out exactly the strategy I wanted (Physical-based team, focus demons down one at a time, someone bring Wall) in the Join Party screen, and even then mid-battle if I realized someone was being a moron I couldn't really tell them how to fix it and had to hope they had enough sense to follow my lead. After the first couple failed attempts with this I realized I could just kick people from my party, so cue me sitting there for 30 minutes nexting bitches left and right until I got a party I could work with. I tried using Mustadio because his SSB stacks with all other breakdowns that I am aware of but his skillset was kinda lacking, namely this fight having Dances is way more important, so I swapped him out for Shitbrat. Spamming Shitbrat's BSB was also very useful, since most of the scary damage is magic and MBlink is great. Status is also a huge deal, so out came Penalty Break.

Since I essentially picked out people I could work with I'll list the team here:

My Ramza (Penalty Break/Indoor Spell), Dr. Mog's
My Tyro (Break Fever/Wrath), Battleforged
BSB + OSB Orlandu / SSB Lenna
OSB Orlandu / UltraSSB + SG Tyro (Penalty Break, Wrath)
BSB Faris (Hi-Unfaith, Wrath) / BSB Vanille

It was a looooooong fight. Even though finally everyone was on the same page to take down the demons one at a time, and even with the Orlandeux cranking out OSBs every other turn or so, it took around five turns to take each archaeo demon down, and after we did that we had to start chipping through Velius' HP. I'm pretty sure the fight took a half hour real time.

Fortunately, though, with this method and the amount of mitigation being thrown up by Faris and the Tyros, by the time Velius was bringing out anything legitimately scary all his adds were dead and he couldn't really dish out too much damage.

Overall not really that difficult of a fight. It's main problem is that you need a coordinated strategy and the communication tools provided aren't good enough to facilitate that. Though to the game's credit I did manage to figure out something. If I couldn't speak Japanese though... egh.  Could be a real problem in global if some players don't speak English that well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 24, 2016, 03:20:19 AM
Y'know if anyone who is done playing the game wouldn't mind handing over their account (or at least letting me play on it) so I can hop onto some multiplayer shenanigans, that'd be p cool

Maybe Cap'n K still has his account? It'd be sorta outdated, but it'd let you at least hop in with Cloud BSB and you'd catch up pretty fast in a couple 11-pulls, since we've gotten into THAT stage of the game.

Regardless: two 11-pulls on FF3 banner because my synergy is so bad and I wanted that Arc SSB. First pull net me an off-banner FF4 Assassin's Dagger, Arc's White Mage Robe (YES) and OK's Onion Gauntlet (WHAT). Second pull... Ingus' Heroic Shield. Yeah I'm done here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 24, 2016, 03:48:07 AM
Good call. Also realized I should probably ask on a topic the people who quit would actually read, so.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 24, 2016, 07:25:47 AM
If I still had mine I would fill it with bannnable names and give it to you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 24, 2016, 11:52:57 AM
Good call. Also realized I should probably ask on a topic the people who quit would actually read, so.

FFBE topic is just two blocks down the lane.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 24, 2016, 02:04:00 PM
I did 100 Gem Draw on the banner, got Arc's SSB (Heavy Regenga + Shellga + Magic Blink 1), nice little surprise that.

I realized I have a relic for every 5* Summoner except Braska, Ashe, Krile, Rydia, and Hope.  Weird...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 24, 2016, 04:08:36 PM
Hmm, I think my account is tied to my Google+ account, so not actually sure how transferring it would work.  If someone can explain a method sure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 24, 2016, 04:17:34 PM
I think you can transfer it via one-time code.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on November 24, 2016, 04:51:10 PM
Sazh Sirius Sidearms from support banner  :)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 24, 2016, 06:04:37 PM
Caved and did the lucky draw on JP's banner. Got a second copy of Dorgan's Blade of Light, and Zell's ATK+DEF gloves.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on November 25, 2016, 09:09:48 AM
11x on FFIV second banner, three rainbows ... three Asura Rods, uummm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 25, 2016, 09:21:37 AM
At least Magic Barrage is a damn good SSB for Palom.

Did the Burst LD pull. 2/11: Overture and fucking Mistilteinn. Completely worth it, uber Vanille here I go.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 25, 2016, 10:32:45 AM
Burst LD Roll...  Dusk's Decree and a second Keeper's Tome.  So effectively 1/11.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 25, 2016, 12:11:44 PM
Burst lucky was a total bust for me - all I got was another copy of Ramza's burst.

Then I did an 11 pull on the OK banner and got both bursts from it. I'LL TAKE IT.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 25, 2016, 01:06:19 PM
By the way, Shale, interested in joining a raid group?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 25, 2016, 01:15:06 PM
I might be interested in Multiplayer, though I skipped the Online Beta mostly because there's other things I'd rather be doing than stuff in RK that offers no rewards.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 25, 2016, 04:13:07 PM
By the way, Shale, interested in joining a raid group?

Probably holding off until the finished product goes live. Especially since I actually have to grind out XP and motes now...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 25, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
Yeah, I'm looking mostly to have the structure up for when the content officially premieres. It's at least a month from now, but when it -does- go live, we'll have weekly content that gets increasingly more involved! So, having a regular party for that would be cool.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 25, 2016, 05:06:47 PM
Oh! Yeah, that's cool.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 25, 2016, 09:50:30 PM
I'm in if I can use Captain's account. I have a lot of free time on my hands and could probably get it up to decent shape with some planning in the next month, soooo.

Kinda busy today but I'll look up how to do it this weekend.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on November 25, 2016, 10:56:42 PM
I'm in if I can use Captain's... I have a lot ... on my hands and could probably get it up ... withsome planning in the next month, soooo.

 I'll look up how to do it this weekend.

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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 26, 2016, 01:12:33 AM
Looks like transferring the account is a no go.  I don't have enough room on my phone to redownload FFRK because I have actual good games on there now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 26, 2016, 06:46:05 AM
Did the Black Friday Draw on Saturday because not being half price proves it's not worthy of being on Black Friday and IN DISGUST I am taking a stand by pulling it AFTER the Black Friday Draw is over!  That'll TOTALLY teach them!

No it won't...

My results?
Ashe's Model
Leon's Rune Axe
Jecht's The Blitz
Wakka's Glorious Armguard

So I got one of the best Mage BSBs period (also funny because I was noting how Ashe is one of the few Summoners I don't have a relic for yet), synergy for a realm I kind of lack it in (and for one of it's better characters too), a Ranged weapon for FF10 which was like the one thing I lacked, and a Relic for Wakka so he can do things.  Yeah, I'm good with this.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 26, 2016, 02:19:13 PM
Pulled on the Dissidia banner. I now have Thyrus, so, uh. I guess I beat the game? 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 26, 2016, 02:54:41 PM
After all those years and now it doesn't even make -that- much of a difference on average.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on November 26, 2016, 04:17:19 PM
If Zenny hops on a new global account today he might be able to catch the Black Friday LD before it goes. Don't know if he'll still get the FFXV Mythril but if so that's 15, plus 5 thanksgiving plus two log in giving a total of 22 Mythril right away. Unfortunately might be hard work to push for the remaining 28 but maybe not impossible. After there's also the  Keeper's Choice volumes mainly volume 2 which has a wall and shout on it. Or after BFLD maybe wait until Keeper's Choice 3 which global will hopefully be getting soon. Or if possible
Captain K could maybe use a computer and blue stacks downloading FFRK onto that, logging into Google vs the blue stacks app sync and getting a transfer code from there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on November 26, 2016, 05:20:11 PM
That sounds like a lot of work to do something that benefits Zenny.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 26, 2016, 11:44:40 PM
After all those years and now it doesn't even make -that- much of a difference on average.

Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking. It does give me a reason to hone the new Knight 5* skill I suppose, since I can now natively buff Agrias or Beatrix's DEF with their BSB commands and Thyrus, I suppose. Still, it's not going to make or break any party compositions at this point. I suppose I have FF14 CMs in the bag for the forseeable future?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 26, 2016, 11:46:13 PM
That sounds like a lot of work to do something that benefits Zenny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXOdn6vLCuU&t=2m40s
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on November 27, 2016, 12:21:16 AM
Would a team of Vanille (Mistilteinn/Burst), Cloud (Ragnarok/Overstrike),  Tyro (Sentinel 's Grimiore), Ramza (Shout) and Wakka (Glorious Armguard/Burst) be enough to clear some of the more difficult content in the game? If it matters I do also have Ramza's Burst but I haven't mastered Shout yet, I also have Vanille's Miracle Prayer for ability refreshing.

When I came back to the game my girl power/CT bait team of Aerith/Vanille/Selphie/Rydia/Eiko was seriously outdated but thanks to lucky pulls since Vanille got other things to play with. Also have Aerith 's Burst now as well but Vanille's is better I think. I figure I should set something up for harder content, I can always still use my favourites for classic event stages or something :)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 27, 2016, 12:59:23 AM
That team can probably win more or less -anything- you can care to think of unless the content specifically highly walls physicals, CT. It has all bases covered with high damage, an -amazing- healing Burst with great commands and Shout covers phys boosting -and- Hastega. Magic takes more hones and stackable boosts to work, but when you have 'em, its potential just soars through the roof. Regardless, you have a very solid A-team on your hands, and further pulls can flexibilize it further. I'm not sure I'd use -two- Supports, Wakka could give way to someone else, but his Burst is pretty solid.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 27, 2016, 05:53:41 AM
Echoing Snow in that yeah, you have all your bases covered there.  I'd say more but honestly he covered everything...

Also, finished the FF3 Event and the Mote dungeon, but didn't Cid mission Ahriman.  My FF3 team just can't handle that.  I did Cid Mission the Ultimate+, which was a pain in the ass and lost 4 medals on it (went back and mastered with a Shout Team)

I did get a chance to play with two of my new toys at least, particularly I Mage Meta'd Doga/Unei so Ashe's Dusk's Decree so fun use there and between her and Terra (and Lulu hurling Meatballs) that fight exploded, and against Ahriman and the Crystal Boss Rush, Leon used his BSB so I got to see that fun stuff in action.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 27, 2016, 01:23:27 PM
Spent ~540 stamina on Enigma dungeons thus far, zero onion motes to show for it. I should probably just start running Ahriman...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on November 27, 2016, 11:01:12 PM
Thanks all. Took the team on a trial run for a +99 difficulty fight in the FFIII dungeon and strolled it. For the boss set up SG first, then debuffed it with Wakka, then used Shout, set up Vanille's Burst, and used Cloud's overstrike. Cloud's Finishing Touch did over 50'000 damage and Vanille's Light Eternal was doing 8000~ x2, Wakka's Burst commands combined with SG and initial debuffing effectively neutered the rest of the fight.  Considering I went in with only 1-20/25 for most weapons and Wakka's armour here, also only Vanille had any abilities (Cura/Dispel, because that's what she had from before) , rather nice~

Used a Gilgamesh friend.

Now have ;

Cloud L65, Ragnarok 25/25, Genji Helm 20/20, Wolf Earring
Vanille L65, Mistilteinn 1/20, Mystery Veil 20/20, Rose Corsage
Tyro L65, Sentinel's Grimiore 20/20, Genji Armour 20/20, Hyper Wrist (VI)
Wakka L65, Hawkeye 20/20, Gloriousarmguard 20/20, Hyper Wrist (VIII)
Ramza L50,  Platinum Sword 1/20, Genji Helm 20/20, Ice Horn (III)

Abilities I have, Double Cut r3, Retaliate r3 (Cloud), Diaga r3, Slow r3 (Vanille),  Blade Bash r3, Draw Fire r1, (Tyro),  Intimidate r2, Dark Buster r1 (Wakka),  Pound r1, Revive r1 (Ramza) and Soldier Strike, Innocence/Prayer of the Cetra, Highscorer and Preemptive Strike for Record Spheres until I learn which abilities and stuffs are good now that I should be getting.

Just used a memory crystal lode to get a memory crystal and broke Ramza's level cap so I'll be getting him to L65 as well.  I do have a bunch of breaks/breakdowns from before but unsure if those would stack even further with Wakka's Burst/Burst commands or not.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on November 28, 2016, 12:03:00 AM
Ok so I assume you already know that you're going to need to get your weapon levels up ASAP and stuff like that, but I have some advice to help you get the most out of your team. First, to answer your question, since both Wakka's BSB commands only affect one stat, they will not stack with the breakdowns. For that matter, Full Break and the BSB itself don't stack, so they're not a high priority. I may recommend honing them to R2 regardless, though. You'll get more mileage out of Wakka's BSB if you have him use Ace Striker or Battleforged rather than Mako Might/Dr. Mog's Teachings. The obvious downside to this strategy is that you won't have breakdowns until Wakka gets his SB gauge built, so having those ready even if you don't normally use them is a good idea.

That said, you have a lot more pressing hones to get.

First, get one copy of Wrath for Wakka. Even R1 will be enough to get his Burst up ASAP with Ace Striker, and then you can just have him continually use burst commands.

Second, get at least two copies of Life Siphon and hone them both to R2, one you'll use on Ramza so you'll always have Shout up during most fights. The other you can swap between Tyro and Cloud depending on if you need more damage or more mitigation. I would recommend breaking your copy of pound for Power orbs for this. Lifesiphon is less damage, but has a 100% hit rate like Pound and you're going to get more out of building up Soulbreak than the slightly more damage you get from Pound.

Those are the big ones. Shellga/Protectga R1 if you don't already have it. Honing Curaga rather than Curaja will be faster for you and will almost certainly suffice in harder battles until Vanille's burst gets built up. Honestly though if you just get Wrath and the Life Siphons I imagine you'll be able to beat the +++ Fight for sure, and will have a strong fighting chance against the Ultimate.

As far as what Record Materia to use, I'd reckon on that setup Battleforged (Ramza RM3), Ace Striker (Tidus RM3), Dr. Mog's Teachings (Tyro RM3), Mako Might (Cloud RM3), and then Cloud's RM4 would be the most useful ones to gun for. For the RM3s, you will need to use the Memory Crystal 2s to break your characters' max levels to L80 in order to get them. Luckily, Ramza, Tyro, and Cloud are already on your A-team, so the only one you'd have to go out of your way for is Tidus'. Luckily you'll be swimming in MC2 lodes when you get to the point where you can beat +++ fights, so this won't take you very long to accomplish. One side note, I would actually recommend getting Tidus' MC2 before getting Vanille's. White Mages have a much easier time compensating for being lower levelled, and the boost to SB gauge gain from Ace Striker is a very useful boon.

Cloud's RM4 requires you using a Memory Crystal 3 to cap break Cloud to L99 for. You'll probably be able to get this after getting most of the other record materia; you'll need to beat the Ultimate+ boss of an event, but by that point you'll be caught up enough that it won't be outside the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 28, 2016, 02:09:18 AM
The next round of multiplayer beta battles dropped, and they have actual rewards. Four-digit greens, orbs, and mythril. Guess I'm going to take part after all....

Also, I CM'd the FF3 U+ - as if the onionburst wasn't brutal enough, they made the tankiest guardian Eternal Winds bait. 3/6 Onion Mote drops down,  too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 28, 2016, 02:42:13 AM
I'm at...  13/12 Onion Motes.

So what can we do with the extra motes after we finish unlocking all his classes?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 28, 2016, 12:30:53 PM
Use them as cupholders.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 29, 2016, 03:16:57 AM
Got all the Motes I needed for Onion Knight!

Also, that was downright CATHARTIC murdering Bahamut Sin and Cagnazzo in one attempt with little difficulty, albeit, just the whole "GET THAT THUNDAJA SPELL OFF ASHE PLEASE!" nonsense as well as "Water Surges!" right before an attack resolves is argh still.  Nonetheless, the point of Revenge has been met! 

Caius wasn't too difficult, other than the first attempt he used that buff and went "oh, right, he has really damn good Regen, let me come back with Dispel."  Was able to Mage Meta him down this time granted, something I couldn't do the first time (I relied on Shout Meta), thanks Raines' SSB Glove, a Mage BSB (Ducks Decree here...I know what I said...), and the existence of Sheepsong.


Not sure if I should bother with the Lucky Draw or not.  I mean, it is a half price but...

I already have plenty of FF7 Synergy and my FF7 bases are more than covered for.   About the only thing I lack is a Red XIII relic (I have a Barret one!), but honestly that's relatively minor.
FF13 is pretty well handled as well.  Blazefire Sabre (a bit outdated, but still good with Synergy), one of Snow's gloves, Raines' gloves, Wyrmfang, a Healer Staff+++, Pumpkin and Sazh's SSB weapon, so nothing I feel is absolutely necessary there.  I would like Lightning's BSB which I believe is on the banner, granted.

So really it's just FF4 Synergy, which is mostly Kain's SSB Lance, a Dancing Dagger+++, and Porom's SSB Staff. 


If this was maybe 4 months ago, that would be a much different story, but as it stands now?  Yeah, struggling to see it being worth pulling, even with G5 and Half Price.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 29, 2016, 12:33:17 PM
I pulled for reasons of what the heck why not, even though it's a trap. End result: Serah's Gloves and Rydia's Mystic Whip. That's uh actually not bad, my FF13 armor synergy needed some help and having Rydia at least remotely relevant is nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 29, 2016, 01:35:52 PM
My end result: a combine to Fang's first spear that I already had.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 30, 2016, 10:35:35 PM
I pulled for reasons of what the heck why not, even though it's a trap. End result: Serah's Gloves and Rydia's Mystic Whip. That's uh actually not bad, my FF13 armor synergy needed some help and having Rydia at least remotely relevant is nice.

To be honest, that's about as good a pull from this Lucky Draw as I figure I'd be able to get, and it's nothing too exciting from there.  The odds are definitely not worth it for me in any event.


Just made R3 Bahamut when I realized I had plenty of MSOs, and now realizing I'm only down to 16k Greens...I should probably stop doing the Onion knight EXP dungeon and go back to dailies.  I am, after all, done Mote farming for him, and did use all 12 already to unlock all his spheres (just so I can be certain "Yes, I have enough.")  Also mastered his Viking Mote for the purpose of having someone in FF3 with Support 5 for Cid Missions.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 01, 2016, 01:10:56 AM
Support is good, definitely the first one I unlocked too. If you have his BSB, I'd also recommend getting Black Magic sooner than later. There will be a window coming up for you all where if you have more than one MAG buffer it's just going to be flat out better for OK to chain his Quickcast Magic BSB command and build for magic rather than attack. After hitting the relevant softcaps, chain casting that command will routinely outdamage his physical command + Full Charge because the mults on his physical attack just aren't there to break 5000 damage on most high end bosses.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 01, 2016, 02:20:00 AM
Without any MAG diving or stacking SBs he still tops 10K damage/cast against every boss I've brought him to, so I believe that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 01, 2016, 03:09:15 AM
Support is good, definitely the first one I unlocked too. If you have his BSB, I'd also recommend getting Black Magic sooner than later. There will be a window coming up for you all where if you have more than one MAG buffer it's just going to be flat out better for OK to chain his Quickcast Magic BSB command and build for magic rather than attack. After hitting the relevant softcaps, chain casting that command will routinely outdamage his physical command + Full Charge because the mults on his physical attack just aren't there to break 5000 damage on most high end bosses.

This is so damn true, and I even ended up pulling his mage SSB to boot. Dealing 25k a pop with Swiftspell on U++ Doga and Unei was just silly as hell. A 4*-level mult on magic just gets a lot more mileage out of multihits and buff stacking than a 4*-level mult on physicals due to the softcap difference.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 01, 2016, 08:37:51 AM
Yeah.

Black Magic was also the last one I unlocked for him due to poor planning and hitting a dry spell of 4* knowledge motes so realizing that actually I had to gimp him into a physical build in order to use most of his skillset was... frustrating.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 01, 2016, 03:00:43 PM
The next round of Scarbait just dropped in JP -- an FF4TAY event with the Holy Dragoon costume and Kain OSB. Also, Ceodore.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 01, 2016, 03:17:19 PM
Finally! More Kain. Just what I always wanted. I can't wait to play Multiplayer with an all-Kain cast in various costumes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 01, 2016, 03:40:22 PM
The next round of Scarbait just dropped in JP -- an FF4TAY event with the Holy Dragoon costume and Kain OSB. Also, Ceodore.

https://youtu.be/zo-YVqV0v4Q
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 01, 2016, 04:03:46 PM
I don't have any Onion Knight SBs, so he's not a major concern right now.

That said, I did 100 gem pull on the FF8 Banner and got Laguna's SSB.  I'll take it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 02, 2016, 08:03:46 AM
Pulled on the first FF4TAY banner cuz I need 4 synergy. Got Ceodore's Burst, Rosa's Reraise, and most importantly Gilbert's  Mag+Mnd+Short charge SSB. guess I'm using Gilbert now
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 02, 2016, 08:53:04 AM
I was also lacking in IV synergy and I like the idea that they are delving into the side games now.

(http://i.imgur.com/3mvDamw.jpg)

Oh look. Of course I got Kain's Overflow AND his Burst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 02, 2016, 12:59:42 PM
You can always donate your JP account to Scar.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 02, 2016, 03:35:05 PM
Hahaha.

So yeah, I didn't get kains burst, but I have a nice selection of ff4 gear now thanks to getting everything else.

The burst banner got me ashes cloak and another razamatazz.

The ok banner nabbed me luneths lance which helped make short work of the ff3 mote dungeon.

Ah well. Time to save again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on December 03, 2016, 11:31:54 PM
Zenny pm me.  You can either make a fake Facebook account for me to link my account to, or I can send you a 1 time code, but the 1 time code is only good for 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 04, 2016, 02:37:03 AM
Zenny pm me.   I need you to confess to me how much corn you get stuck in your teeth from eating out random dudes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 04, 2016, 03:14:33 AM
My FF8 relics are abysmal, so I've been waiting for tonight's banner. It's got a curaga medica, Mighty Guard, the first hyperbreak, an Earth OSB to take advantage of Yang's impeil....so many possibilities, especially when all the moves I currently have just deal non-elemental damage.

I got Bismarck. Which deals non-elemental damage. Fuuuuuuuck yooooooooou gaaaaaaaaame
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 04, 2016, 03:52:53 AM
I ended up dropping 100 mythril on this banner in spite of having -three- potential dupes and a crap non-SB relic because the good stuff is seriously hot. Ended up getting a Red Scorpion dupe and Quistis' Dress. I'm taking it, my second mage BSB and my first with an En-element. To make matters -better-, Quistis can self-buff with it, so it's entirely self-sufficient on more mixed parties. I'm so glad I fully dived her now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 05, 2016, 12:32:40 AM
Solo'd the Raid content with little difficulty, and did the FF8 bonus fights, Cid Missions included, without too much trouble.

The Cid Mission for Seifer, I attempted twice.  First I brought Squall in, but found I wasn't getting enough damage in, so punted him for Rinoa, gave her Biora and Chain Bioga which Edea was using, who would instead use a Dark Zone set up, so now two characters hitting Res instead of Def.  Seifer was still used because Bloodfest is extra mitigation against his magic, Irvine because support 5 (and I have an actual FF8 Gun now), and Selphie because Healer.  Got a little worrisome near the end, especially when Seifer died, but pulled through with mastery.

I also attempted the Sorceress Gauntlet twice but first time was "LEt'S GO MAGE META ON THI-*Reflect* ...this may have been a bad idea, but let's see how much Terra's Baha-*5000x2, HP doesn't go down nearly enough* ...yeah, screw that, I quit", and just went in with a classic Shout team instead.  Nothing particularly special, other than I did worry about the DPS race on the final one, but pulled it off, etc.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 05, 2016, 01:56:24 AM
Yeah, I mastered the U++ as well.  Hope/Ashe/Krile/Tyro/Selphie.  Summons just ate face on the first part, and BSBs rocked the rest.  Lost medals for letting the boss cast Ultimate Ultima, but I got all the other medals anyway, so whatever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 05, 2016, 04:27:48 PM
Well, two U++ fight setups to post about. Not much to say about Ultimate and Ultimate+ other than "yeah, Quistis melted them away".

U++ Sorceresses - A Team

L80 Quistis (Wrath R4/Ruinga R4, Battleforged)
L80 Braska (Shiva R5/Valefor R5, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Onion Knight (Meteor R3/Chain Blizzaga R3, Mako Might)
L80 Vanille (Curaja R5/Shellga R2, Master In White)
L80 Cait Sith (Heathen Frolic Sarabande R4/Multibreak R3, Ace Striker)

RW: hinode's Stoneskin II

Everything I need covered in a neat little package. With Hail to the Queen, Quistis' potential offense turns simply -nuts-: That's basically 2.63x MAG buffing after all my stackables are in place. That goes -well- over the MAG softcap, but fine, all fine, especially with Enpoison to boost Cloying Fragrance. She was responsible for about 70% of my damage in that fight in spite of only hitting weakness at one part of the battle. The fight really can get hectic without strong mitigation, though: lots of targets and that magic focus can make things quite unfun. The standard measures work just fine, though.

U++ Sorceresses - Tier Challenge Setup

L80 Quistis (Wrath R4/Ruinga R4, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L80 Palom (Meteor R3/Chain Blizzaga R3, Light of Hope)
L80 Porom (Curaja R4/Shellga R2, Master In White)
L80 Edward (Magic Breakdown R4/Full Break R3, Mako Might)

RW: Stoneskin II

Similar deal, only less elegant and even more Quistis-focused. The strong mitigation becomes -more- needed with less party members as well, and it's hard to keep enemies debuffed when you have to target them individually. Worth noting, however, that Quistis' BSB entry hit the final phase for 44k with Song of Swiftness, Enpoison and Vile Ichor's buff up. En-element mage bursts are so gloriously dumb.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 05, 2016, 08:48:18 PM
Because I'm lazy as hell, I just got around to the rematch fights.

Caius Ballad: Still a pain in the ass even when bringing near-maximum mitigation (the only thing I left at home was Fran's FBD, which is awkward to fit into a party just for an extra 5% stat down). While he's comparatively way more fragile than he used to be, he still hits like a truck and cost me a couple of resets.

Cagnazzo: Slowga counters are still annoying as hell, but his offense is so much easier to handle now. With a full set of breaks the Watera casts barely tickle and Tsunami doesn't end a run.

Bahamut SIN: Holy power creep, Batman!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 06, 2016, 03:51:04 PM
Realm lucky draw: Locke's Valiant Knife, my first pure damage move for FF6 (although I dunno how I'll fit it into my party for U+ Guardian) and....The Ogre! Why yes, Luneth and Freya's en-wind moves would like company, thank you.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 06, 2016, 05:38:41 PM
My realm Lucky Draw: Fairy Flute and FF9 Lightbringer, both dupes. So much hate.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 06, 2016, 07:00:07 PM
Got Garnet's Divine Guardian.  On one hand, I really don't need this SSB now, since I have all bases covered and such.  On the otherhand, it is a +10 Magic boost to a character I have a BSB for, and tends to be subbed in depending on circumstance (she's basically back up if Terra or Ashe aren't optimal, or if I really need a 2nd White 4 user)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on December 07, 2016, 12:08:13 AM
Haven't played RK much ever since Pokemon Sun/Moon came out, but I decided to pull on the lucky draw anyways:

(http://i.imgur.com/ljhQ4rP.png)

Well damn, that's clearly the best draw I've ever gotten.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 07, 2016, 09:42:30 AM
FF9 Lucky Draw or did it just work out that way?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 07, 2016, 10:48:26 PM
FF6/9/13/14.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on December 08, 2016, 01:33:58 PM
Did a Yolo pull on the new ff6 banner. Was hoping for setzer or Leo items.

Got a relm dress, shadowburat, and edgars osb.

I guess that's a tad better.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 10, 2016, 09:00:29 AM
so i realized that playing the game was more of a chore nowadays than anything and I just found out that I missed the FFX event because I just didn't want to play the game at all.

I think I'll play out through the end of the upcoming orbfest, and if my urge to play the game isn't reignited by said fests, I'll probably look into trying to sell my account since my account is OP. It'd be nice if I could monetize the last year and a half or so of obsession.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on December 13, 2016, 11:20:38 AM
I quit.

Anyone want my account (maybe to do some multi-player with Djinn?) Otherwise, I think it's stacked enough that I am going to see if I can sell it on some shady website that will steal my bank info.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 13, 2016, 04:33:25 PM
Beat Nightmare Atomos.  That fight was utterly straight forward and simple compared to most Nightmares.  Beat it with a single medal lost on turns.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 13, 2016, 04:53:45 PM
Wheeeeee, FF6 event fully downed. Guardian was touch and go for a while until I decided to toss Locke out of my party despite his shiny shiny Valiant Strike, and bring in Strago instead. I still might not have pulled it off had Setzer not rolled a 6 on Dice after he ran out of hones, dealing fixed 6666 damage to the boss right as my Onionburst RW had expired and damage to knock off that last sliver of health got waaaaaay harder to come by.

(Also Kefka was a hilarious joke, Team Knight ftw)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on December 15, 2016, 11:55:07 PM
Thanks for the advice from before Zenny, much appreciated. Now have three copies of Lifesiphon  (Cloud, Tyro, Ramza), a copy of Wrath (Wakka), removed the second level cap for Tidus and Cloud, and obtained Ace Striker and Mako Might :) Between Crisis Core event and next event should be able to get Tyro and Ramza limit broken next, then get Dr Mog's Teachings record materia,  so definitely well on the way to having all the pieces fall into place for my team, thanks~

Struggling with FFVI Ultimate though, I should make a Slowga for Tyro or Vanille, maybe?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 16, 2016, 12:28:27 AM
Tempo Flurry is never a bad idea, if you're looking for suggestions for Slow proccing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 17, 2016, 01:46:46 AM
Slow is a pain in the ass to inflict.  You either use Slowga, and dedicate an entire moveslot just to hit with Slow (which I personally hate doing), have a Soul Break that inflicts (I have 3 100% Slow Soul Breaks go figure...), or use Tempo Flurry and hope it procs.  I always hate seeing "INFLICT WITH SLOW!" because it's a pain in the ass to get that. 

Tempo Flurry, in any event, is usually my go-to if I simply don't want to swap in one of my 100% Slow Soulbreakers.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 18, 2016, 01:13:20 AM
Not sure if they were going to re-release Terra's Tiara during the OSB event like in Japan, I decided to do an 11 pull on the banner and got Sabin's Godhand.  Eh, it's not another Chocobo Brush at least, so I can't be too upset.

Then did 100 Gem draw on Angeal 2...and got Ragnarok.

...yeah, I think I lost the right to complain for a while...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 19, 2016, 10:03:11 AM
Quick, Zenny's gone. Time to theorize about potential skillsets for FFXV bois!

So obviously FFXV characters are gonna happen at some point relatively soon in RK. It just makes good business sense.

I'm thinking they will probably slow-drip release them. First Noctis (and possibly Luna?). Then the other 3 main bros. Then probably two or three at a time for all the important side characters like the Marshall, the king, the villains, etc.

Since I'm not very far in the game, I can only speculate on Noctis and the bros. But it'd be interesting to see other ideas on the side characters. Depending on what the side characters can do would probably effect what abilitysets the main four get.

Noctis (Magic/Physical hybrid DPS)
Combat 5, Dragoon 5, Spellblade 5
Black 5, Ninja 5, Summon?
He's clearly the best at using Magic/Elemency in the game, and no one else really seems great at it, so he's a good candidate to be the Black Mage, but I like him as a proper usable hybrid. Dragoon for his Warp Strike stuff (I'd be happy to see a new Dragoon 5 ability actually called Warp Strike with some kind of Jump charge, but also grants self-Haste or something.)
Daggers, Swords, Spears, Axes, Guns, Light Armor, Helmets, Hats
No dedicated mage weapons, but there's plenty of magic-boosting Swords/Daggers/Guns at this point so he could work as either.

Ignis (Healer/Support)
Support 5, Ranger 5
White 5, Bard 5
White 5/Support 5 is already a pretty strong combo, even in current RK Meta. This kind of small skillset might work fine. He's clearly the only one in the group who does any kind of healing skills, so he's basically the White Mage. Luna could be a White Summoner and then that might force Iggy into a different role, though. Bard 5 is just kinda random to be honest. If you wanted to make him more physical DPS oriented, you could give him Knight 4, but that might be unbalanced?
Daggers, Spears, Thrown, Rods, Staves, All armor but Helmets

Prompto
Celerity 5, Machinist 5, Thief 4?, Ranger 5?
Black 4, Dancer?!, Bard?!
His best use is probably just Machinist stuff. He's fast, so a Thief build would work. His first skill is basically Aim, so Celerity works. Ranger and Machinist don't seem to be on the same characters for whatever reason so maybe both is overkill. Machinist would be his primary and then try to build from there. Black for some other status options, though he probably would have lower magic than Noct. He does seem to be one of the better ones to give it to in-game though. Bard and Dancer just to add skill diversity?
Daggers, Guns, Bows, Thrown, GUNARMS?!, Light armor, Robes, Hats, Helmets

Gladiolus
Combat 5, Knight 5, Samurai 5
Tank-type character. If you wanted him to stand out, give him Support 5. Straightforward otherwise. He probably needs a really awesome Soul Break. I like the idea of letting him be a third Wall user.
Daggers, Swords, Katanas, Axes, Hammers, All armor but Robes/Hats

Meeple will probably have better ideas, having played more of the game. I just had fun theorizing about it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 21, 2016, 01:06:23 AM
First off, there's no way Noctis is going to be like that.  Look how many 5* skills he has, and he's not a gimmick character like Tyro or Onion Knight (...or intentionally overpowered like Orlandu...).  Next off, Ignis is totally the mage; he gets a unique team up move which is basically him scanning the enemy on the spot and then using the appropriate elemental flask he pulls out of his ass on them.  Considering he's the team strategist, this only fits further.  Noctis is only the "best mage" because he's the player character and is intentionally "best at everything."  This is more nature of the game's design than actually a quirk of the character, if that makes sense.


So a more realistic look at FF15 characters, I'd say?

Noctis: Combat 5, Celerity 5, Support 3, Black 4, Spellblade 4, Darkness 4
Equipment: Basically every Melee Weapon except Fists + Guns and Bows.  Armor can be everything but Robes.

Noctis' variety came from his weapons, not his skillset, so he should have a godly equipment selection ala Firion, not a godly skillset.  That said, Warp Strike is his trademark, so Chaincharging feels natural fit for that, with the "Hit Fast, then POUND THE GUY WHILE HE'S DOWN" aspect.  Black 4 is there because Ring of Lucis and all that, but I don't think he hsould be a full on Black Mage. Spellblade 4 feels fitting, though I didn't give him 5 for a reason I'll cover later.  Darkness 4 is the best we can get for covering the whole "Royal Arms" aspect having the HP Drawback, but I felt going Darkness 5 is too much.  Getting stuff like Dragoon 5 and Samurai 5 is basically equivalent to saying "Lance = AUTO DRAGOON LEVELS!" and such, and I just can't except that since being an ARPG, they're naturally going to be more elaborate in that regard.

Gladio: Combat 5, Knight 5, Samurai 4
Equipment: Swords, Katanas, Axes (just seems fitting), all armors save for Robes

This is very similar to Leo, yes, but I don't think Samurai 5 QUITE fits him, so 4 feels more fitting.  Gladio is the team tank and basically a Knight, so it's just a very fitting build.

Ignis: Black 5, Ninja 5, Celerity 4, Support 3, Chef 5
Equipment: Spears, Rods, Staves, Throwing, Light Armor, Hats (...god damn it Ex-death making this NOT a given...), Robes

Yeah, going for kind of a Fuijin-like build here.  Being the team brains, he should be the mage, but he also fights with dual daggers, so went with the Ninja side of things as well.   Given his fighting style, some form of Celerity feels like a must, and Support 3 because he can inflict status.   

Naturally, with Ignis being implemented, they need to make a new skillset in the Chef skillset which can go to...uh...Quina and...uhh...JULYAN MANDERVILLE...who would be so OP she'd put Orlandu to shame...

Prompto: Support 5, Machinist 5, Sharpshooter 5, Bard 4
Equipment: Guns, Bows (Autocrossbow Counts, deal with it!), Light Armor, Hats

Prompto being the gunner means he gets to be token Support 5 character.  He uses Edgar's Tools so he's a clear Machinist 5 as well, and since he's big on the whole shooting things in the face, he gets Sharpshooter 5.  Being the team Cheerleader, I felt that should be represented in some way, hence Bard 4.  Heck, he SINGS IN GAME frequently, what doing the Victory Theme, making up Lyrics to the Chocobo song, etc.


That's the 4 guys, but FF15 does have a few more usable potentials:


Villain: Combat 5, Celerity 4, Darkness 5, Spellblade 5, Black 5
Equipment: Basically the same stuff as Noctis, maybe a bit restricted on weapons, and swapping Shields for Robes

Yeah, keeping him spoiler tagged, so we'll leave him at that.  That said, he's basically a Shonen-rival type villain in the sense of "Similar fighting style of the main" so I made a skillset reflecting that.  Celerity 4 was chosen because I didn't want him to encroach on Noctis having Chaincharge, but instead gave him Spellblade 5 and Black 5 since he's clearly better at those things.  Likewise, Darkness 5 because "Token Villain skillset."


Lunafreya: White 5, Summoner 5
Equipment: Typical Mage gear w/ Lances

Even though she's a non-combatant, she'd work in the sense of RK as being the token White Mage, and her plot does justify her having Summon as well, so she can be token White Mage and Summoner at the same time.  Also, White Mage isn't just stereotyping since she DOES have healing plot powers and the whole "Oracle" angle just screams a White Mage/Summoner build.

Aranea: Combat 5, Dragoon 5, Celerity 3, Knight 3
Equipment: Lances, Heavy Armor, Shields, Light Armor, Hats

Aranea is a Dragoon through and through, so I gave her a typical Dragoon build.  Knight 3 just seems fitting given her personality is a bit on the noble side, and it makes her stand out a bit more, without making her too good.

Iris: Dancer 5
Equipment: ...

...yeah, I got nothing.  Dancer is about the only thing that fits her, and being a temp, I feel I have to address her SOMEHOW.  I'm really struggling with her <_<;

Cor: Combat 5, Knight 5, Support 4, White 4, Spellblade 4
Equipment: Swords, Katanas, Axes, Lances, Heavy Armor, Shields, Light Armor, Hats

Cor is suppose to be an unstoppable badass, and is totally awesome and completely crushes your team in stats for the brief time he's in your team.  As a result, I gave him a badass skillset, and made him a Paladin since it just fits him, hence the White 4.  I specifically avoided giving him Samurai levels as to not made Gladio look like crap.


That should work for FF15 characters for now.  Granted, Noctis will be known very shortly given he's confirmed for RK in Japan already.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on December 21, 2016, 03:40:19 AM
Thanks for the advices and infos on Slow all, will keep in Mind :)

Osb fest banners have been revealed, took a look at those elsewhere. Biggest quaundry is Terra's banner being changed from JP, now has the likes of Vanille's Burst, Kain's Burst, also has Ramza's Shout, and Y'shtola's Wall, instead of Asche's Burst, Penelo's Burst, as well as Locke and Aerith stuff. In a general sense and overall the banner now seems overall improved, great banner I think. On an individual level though only really great thing on there now for me would be Terra's OSB and her tiara would be nice too. Otherwise I already have Vanille's, Kain's, Ramza's, and Tyro's Wall, not to mention Y'shtola's will be on upcoming FFXIV banner anyway. Minwu's instant heal would also be nice though for FFII stuffs, but ehhh already have Vanille's for general instant cast heal purposes, and also have Arc's direct upgrade version of Minwu's to boot. Banner also has Steiner's imperil fire which might be nice I guess but isn't a must have for me currently. So really it's only Terra's stuff I would very much like, oh wait Refia's Burst is there too actually which would also be very niiice for me. Would have preferred Asche's, Penelo's, Locke and Aerith stuffs along with Terra's personally. Don't think I can justify going for this banner as is now, given what I already have :(

Rather I think the new goal for me might be the Banner 3 for global OSB. It has Vaan OSB, Maria Burst, Eiko Burst, Agrias Burst, Arc Super, Ovelia Super, Guy Super, Celes Super, and Bartz's Cloak. Only one here I have is Arc's. Wouldn't mind Vaan's OSB and Maria's, Eiko's, Agrias's and Celes's I'd really like, would like Ovelia's for more Tactics stuff, and Guy's wouldn't mind for FFII and imperil earth either.

Either Banner 3 or Banner 4 (Bartz OSB, Tyro OSB, Edge Burst, Hope Burst, Yuna's Chaos Rod, Penelo's Super, Lulu's Super, Paine's Super, and Cloud's Guise) Only have Paine's here ... but the banner doesn't really feel as appealing as Banner 3 personally. Despite having favourite characters like Yuna, Lulu and Penelo on there but might be able to get them from future banners elsewhere. I have Bartz OSB on JP version and like it but ehhh.

Really sort of tempted to pull on Gilgamesh/Krile banner now also with the changes to Terra's banner, this one  looks like a quite good banner too. I have Krile's Sheepsong already though so if I were using her I'm not sure how much opportunity I'd get to use her Burst if I got it anyway!

FFVII banners Reno Burst, Yuffie Burst, Zack Burst, Moogle Dance, Cloud's Guise, and others would be nice, but I'm not exactly lacking in FFVII synergy, having a good deal of FFVII stuffs already, including Cloud's OSB and Aerith's Burst.

Then there is the Nightmare Summoner's draw which is supposed to be coming up eventually which is apparently mage heaven. Might have to wait for a while for that though~

JP version I did a pull on the FFVIII banner in hope of Selphie's Ussb for a healer relic but it only scrounged up one rainbow which was Irvine's Executer. So far I have Bartz OSB, Thunder God Cid Burst, Thunder God Cid Super, Marach's head band, Ramza's Tailwind and Executor. My team is Bartz, Tyro, TG Cid, Black Mage and White Mage, since I want to get the record materias for the latter two so been keeping them in for levelling. I would like to get a proper healer medica soon though so hopefully Sage Lucky or Lucky Pick up banner or something will help with that~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 21, 2016, 05:28:47 AM
Banner 4 is honestly pretty meh, if you ask me.  Bartz's OSB is significantly weaker than other elemental OSBs, and it doesn't hit enough extra weaknesses to make up for it (Water and Earth just don't come up often enough), and Tyro's OSB just has a lot of issues.  Cloud's Guise is a bog standard En-Elemental, and he can't use Spellblade 5, so he's limited in it's full potential there.  Intercession is honestly something I haven't gotten use out of much besides being a Medica for FF12 CMs, and Hope's Burst is becoming dated.  Edge's BSB doesn't seem particularly stand out (It's fast, but damage per hit is lower unless I'm missing something?)

I think the best thing about the Banner is Yuna's SSB2, which yeah, is good, but not justification to draw on this banner.

Overall, I'd say Banner 1 and Banner 3 are the big ones here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 21, 2016, 07:16:00 PM
Banner 3 is what I have my eyes on. Banner 1 is hella stacked, but I have over half the relics on that banner, not worth the risk for Terra's Tiara and Blood Sword. Meanwhile, Banner 3 has Maria and Eiko BSBs of godliness and only two potential dupes - one of which I wouldn't mind having extra, since FF3 synergy is hard to come by. Agrias BSB is roughly a clone of Beatrix's, but it's good for CM and future-proofing for the impending Imperil mechanics buff, and while I already have Dreamstage, I'm all for improving Ovelia's usability. Everything else would be nice to have.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 21, 2016, 11:22:20 PM
In my case, Banner 1 has only one relic (Platinum Sword) that I already own, so that's obviously the banner for me. 


That said, Japan's getting their own fest.  Said fest has the following:

-12 Relics per banner
-4 6* Relics per banner (so OSB, USB, or CSB)
-A Noctis OSB (I feel this deserves it's own mention because he's not out yet, but will be like right as the banner drops)
-6 BSBs on each, and the last 2 SSBs

All new relics are 6*s, including a USB for Terra, Cecil and Greg...aka 3 characters who already have OSBs (to be fair, this isn't the first time it happened.  Tyro has an OSB and a USB, while Tidus and WoL have an OSB and CSB each or whatever it's called)
Terra joins Lightning and Yuna in the "+50" Club, I suspect Cloud and maybe Sephiroth will be joining that club very soon given the event coming up surrounding both (which is strange because Cloud just got a BSB2...), but wait and see, etc. 

A bunch of the USBs are damaging ones too, given to DPS characters like Tifa.  Terra, Cecil and Gregs all have an "EX-mode" mechanic (seems Noctis gets something similar in his OSB) which gives them their own personalized boost.  Terra gets +30% Mag and 1/2 Casting times (both stackable with others it seems since it's a unique status), Cecil gets +100% Def and 6000 HP Stock (...they really wanted him to not be obsoleted by his son...), and Greg gets +30% Attack and High Retaliate (...what even IS High Retaliate? Just a retaliate that lasts longer?)  Noctis' unique buff is +30% Atk, Instant Cast, and Stoneskin 30%...on an OSB...uh guys...you do realize OSBs aren't SUPPOSE to have a bunch of side effects (ORLANDU DOESN'T COUNT!), right?
...to be fair, I think the logic here is this is Noctis' only relic and might be it for a long time, so they have to make it absolutely astounding to make it seem more enticing; he has enough catch up as is, and his realm is pretty much going to be non-existent for a while (FFT, FF11 and FF14 still have very limited content in that regard, and they've been around for quite a while now.)  Oh yeah, Terra's gives En-Fire, Cecil's gives En-holy, and Greg's gives En-Crit+50%.


...also all 3 are on the same banner (Noctis is on the first banner).  There are other new 6*s, make no mistake, but you'd think the ones toying with a new mechanic would be separated but nope!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 21, 2016, 11:59:33 PM
...hmm. Looks like I might be spending on FFRK JP again after all!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 22, 2016, 12:14:29 AM
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Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on December 22, 2016, 07:40:20 AM
will post pics of inevitable 1/11 celescaliburs, galuf fists
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 26, 2016, 04:58:51 AM
So I was thinking about how RK handles characters Elemental Affinities, and figured I'd go through with who gets what and how fitting it is and what they SHOULD get if it wasn't fitting, as well as potential alternatives (like some characters have ones that fit, but I'd have expected something else.)

To be clear, an Imperil Element does not preclude elemental affinity.  For someone to be considered an elemental affinity, they need to get an En-element, or multiple soul breaks of that element, Record Materia and Record Spheres could help too but not checking those too heavily because lazy.  Without further ado, let's get started!

Skipping Cores because Tyro is inconsistent and Cores are not people, so they don't count.

Warrior of Light: Holy.  A given, honestly.
Garland: Darkness.  Default villain element, fits him anyway.
Sarah: Gets a Holy Soul Break, but only one.  It's the "default White Mage" element so whatever, argue this one doesn't count.
Wol: Arguably Lightning, because he gets one Lightning Soul Break, but only one.  Honestly nothing would fit him so...

Master Monk and Matoya are too new, so...

Firion: Holy.  No real elemental affinity; you could argue a few based off weak evidence, but honestly, dartboard logic works here, so whatever.
Maria: Earth.  ...see Firion really, they just went with Earth because...reasons.
Guy: Earth.  Ok, this one actually kind of fits because it works for a BIG STRONG WILD MAN.
Leon: Darkness.  He's a Dark Knight, so really there was only one choice.
Minwu: Holy...but only one Soul break so debatable.  "Default White Mage Element" etc.
Gordon: Fire.  Well, the Fire of Kashuan or whatever it's called are a notable part of FF2, and he's the prince, so the association is there, works about as well as you'd get.
Leila: She gets 3 different elemental Soul Breaks, being Poison (because Thief?), Water (because Pirate), and Lightning (because she starts with Thunder spells) so...N/A.
Ricard: AHAHAHAHA he doesn't get Soul Breaks...well, he gets a Fire one and a Wind one.  Dragon and Dragoon element, whatever.
Josef: Ice.  He comes from Semitt, the Ice Country, and his main dungeon is the Ice Caves, so this works.
Emperor: Darkness.  Default Villain element; they did give him a Wind Soul Break (dual-elemental with Darkness), probably a reference to the Tornado, so we can call Wind a secondary.

Luneth: Wind.  He has no elemental affinity, but I guess because he has that Adventurous personality associated with Wind-elemental characters, and the crystal he goes to on his own is the Wind crystal, I'll let it pass.
Arc: None, though there seems to be a hint at Water with him with moves like "Renewing Rain."
Refia: Fire.  Monks seem to get Fire or Earth, if they don't have a clear elemental affinity.  In Refia's case, Fire feels more deliberate since she is a Black Smith apprentice, so blatant Fire association there.
Ingus: Earth.  Pretty much "by default" since the other Crystals are covered, and Earth does fit the Stalwalt Warrior about as good as any.
Desch: Lightning.  I think he uses Thundara as an ally, and he is kind of a techie, so that'll do.  Fire would have fit as well, given the Owen's Tower thing, but Lightning is still fair
Onion Knight: Non-Elemental.  Blank Slate, he's best left having no elemental affinity honestly.
Cloud of Darkness: Darkness AND Holy. I have to say...well done RK, for actually recognizing her plot.  Most would have fallen victim to her name, but a big part of the character is she appears when there's an inbalance in the two, using whatever is greater (appearing first during  flood of Light, in fact, being stopped by the Warriors of Darkness), so it actually makes sense they'd use both in-spite of her name!

D. Cecil: Darkness.  ...not wasting my time on this one.
P. Cecil: Holy.  Ditto.
Kain: Lightning.  Not quite sure why here, I think it was just timing where they released his BSB alongside Lightning Drive and wanted Kain to show off Lightning Drive, so decided to go that way; I'd have made him Wind since "Dragoon Element" and he joins with the Wind Spear, Abel's Lance using Tornado, etc.
Rydia: Earth primary, Holy secondary seems to be the angle.  Given Titan association and how she lived underground for a long time, that fits.  Holy fits with how Mist Dragon is Holy elemental (in FF4DS anyway)
Rosa: Holy (well, one Soul Break anyway).  White Mage Element, moving on.
Yang: Earth.  Default Monk Element, proving how lazy they were with the character, since if they did their homework, he SHOULD be Wind, because Fabul has the Wind Crystal, but nope, Yang's gotta be as generic a Monk as you can get.
Palom: Lightning.  He gets some multi-elementals, but all are Lightning.  I'll...go with it, because you associate that part of FF4 with blowing things up with Lightning spells thanks to Baron Underwater Passage.
Porom: No Element yet, probably will be Holy if she ever does because White Mage element.
Tellah: Blow Self Up With Meteors Elemental.  You know it's true!
Edge: Water.  He gets a Fire and Lightning one, but Water appears more often.  I guess they did this because "Anti-Rubicante" logic, even though his personality and starting skillset involve Fire...
FuSoYa: Beard Elemental.  That is all.
Golbez: Darkness.  Actually fits his plot, besides "Token Villain Element" so...
Cid: Lightning.  Techie, so I guess that fits; also gets Lightning equips in FF4a, so there you go.
Ceodore: Holy.  Pretty much a given.

Going to say this now, FF5 pisses me off because most of the characters have clear elemental affinities but they decided to say "fuck that" here.

Lenna: Nothing, she will probably be Holy because White Mage element, she SHOULD be Water (even if she can't use it much granted) because that's what her Crystal is.
Galuf: Fire/Earth, and only on one Soul Break, and it's pretty much entirely because "those are the Monk elements."  His Element should be Earth only though because, you know, that's his elemental crystal.
Gogo: Water.  Because Mime is gotten underwater or something...
Gilgamesh: Excalipoor Elemental.  Really, what else could it be?
Bartz: Wind primary, quad elemental secondary.  Ok, Bartz does have several Wind Elemental Soul breaks and THAT fits, but for some reason tehy decided HE"S QUAD ELEMENTAL because...shut up.  They also gave him a Water BSB because **** you basically.
Faris: Gets Water, Lightning and Wind for no good reason, even though she's very clearly the Crystal of Fire and SHOULD be using that.  Faris is probably one of the least fitting character builds in the game as a whole honestly.
Dorgan: Wind. Well he's Bartz's dad so sure.
Ex-death: Darkness.  Villain element, whatever.
Krile: Fire.  Ok, there's legitimately no good excuse for this one; I mean, ok, Fire Lash was a relic but the Soul Break was a non-elemental buff...SCREW THAT SHE'S FIRE!!! You know, there's multiple arbitrary Earth Mages, and here we have a Mage with a clear Earth elemental affinity, and they don't use it...

Terra: Fire primary, gets Water as a secondary.  Fire is a given, Water probably because of Flood from Dissidia being one of her trademarks, but yeah, Fire is clearly her primary and that's the one that fits.
Locke: Fire primary, Holy secondary.  I would have personally gone with wind, but given the Phoenix association, Fire is a fair element to give Locke if you want to take that angle, and Holy fits as a 2ndary with that.
Celes: Holy and Wind.  So...Celes has a strong association with Ice in FF6...yet for some reason they decided she should be Holy and Wind, being all Paladin like and such...yeah, that makes absolutely no sense to me.  Really botched this one guys, because while there's many ambiguous elements for characters, Celes is one of the few who has a clear elemental association and they basically screwed it up entirely.
Mog: Earth.  Geomancer element, fair enough.
Edgar: Poison.  I would have gone with Lightning because of the Machinist, but...Poison is fine because that's the one element he CAN use in game (if through one early game attack), so it actually works.
Sabin: Fire.  Again, Fire or Earth are "Default Monk elements" but in Sabin's case, thanks to Fire Dance (and the early Fire Knuckles), he has some Fire association, as well as being royalty in a Desert Kingdom, so it works.
Shadow: Darkness.  He's an assassin, so it works, for all that I would have kneejerked Wind because Ninja element.
Cyan: DeNA Hates You element.  Only explanation I got.
Gau: Lightning...but only one Soul Break, and probably because of the Rage they chose...really you could get away with anything for Gau though.
Setzer: Fire...on one attack...honestly I'd choose Wind because of the Airship association, Fire was probably just because of the one explosive Soul Break and that's his only elemental soul break so arguably doesn't count.
Strago: Water.   People associate Strago with Water thanks to Aqua Rake so fair enough.
Relm: Holy.  White Mage element...meh...boring
Kefka: Poison.  For once didn't go "Villain = Darkness" and instead based off him off one of his more infamous moments, so well played!
Leo: Holy.  Knight element, it would be that or Lightning.

Cloud: Wind.  Not the element I would have chosen personally, but I can't say it doesn't fit because they were obviously going "well Finishing Touch is a giant Tornado" which is about as good as decision as you'll get, so I'm cool with this.
Barret: Gets a Lightning and a Fire one...yeah, he's not really aligned...
Tifa: Earth.  Monk Element, as I said before...to be fair, she was a mountain guide so I guess there's that?
Aerith: Holy.  WHite Mage element but unlike others, this one actually works on several levels for a few obvious reasons.
Red XIII: Lightning...but only one Soul Break and because he was using Trine, so willing to say that doesn't count.  Otherwise, Non-elemental.
Yuffie: Water.  Leviathan association, so fair enough.  She gets one Earth one but that's because of Landscaper in FF7 proper.
Cait Sith: Reeve Elemental.  You can't tell me I'm wrong!
Vincent:  Fire.  I guess Galian Beast is his most iconic Limit, and that is Fire Elemental, and he wears Red so...
Zack: He gets one Wind/Earth Soul Break...so I'm going to say nothing yet.
Sephiroth: Fire and Dark.  He gets two elements and equally represented here.  Both fit since Darkness is the villain element and Sephiroth actually has a design and plot that'd work there.  Fire works because Sephiroth imagery often involves Fire, including his most iconic scene.
Cid: Wind.  Pilot who is also a Dragoon...seriously, if it was anything else I'd have been questioning DeNA decisions...
Reno: Lightning.  His actual elemental affinity in FF7, given he absorbs Lightning, has a taser rod, etc.
Angeal: Holy.  ...just look at his freaking name if you need further reasons
Rufus: Darkness.  I guess "Villain Element" logic here?

Squall: Ice.  Fits his personality, and was probably done because FF8 has a strong Ice slant after a point for Ifrit CMs, but I always figured Squall was Ice so yeah!
Rinoa: Earth.  Ok, this one doesn't really make any sense, the best I heard was "Brothers is located near Galbadia, which is Rinoa's Hometown!"   You'd think with the Angel association, she'd be Holy, but I guess being a Black Mage that wouldn't work well...
Quistis: Poison.  I guess a Blue Mage means Malboro Breath, so one of the few you could twist into being Poison elemental.  Plus it works as a strategist element since it's status based or something.
Zell: Chicken Wuss Elemental.  Moving on!
Selphie: Holy.  White Mage element...to be fair she does get a unique move called Rapture...
Irvine: He gets one Fire Soul Break...because he gets a "Flame Shot" limit in FF8...yeah, I don't think that fully counts?
Seifer: Darkness.  He should be Fire, because Squall's opposite and a heavy Fire association in FF8, but NOPE! HE'S DARKNESS BECAUSE VILLAIN! He even gets Lightning and Wind in another Soul Break...suggesting further "Why doesn't he have Fire?"
Laguna: None really; he does get an Ice and a Lightning one, but really, his only true element is Machine Gun
Edea: Ice and Darkness.  Like Sephiroth, it's equal, but unlike Sephiroth, Darkness feels forced because "Villain element."  Ice she has a strong association with given Ice Strike and all that.
Fujin: Wind.  If she was anything else, I'd RAGE.
Raijin: Thunder.  ...ditto...ya know.

Zidane: Wind.  Basically the "Thief" element, works about as well as anything else, I guess.
Garnet: Lightning w/ Holy secondary.  Lightning because Ramuh association as her first Summon she can actually use so I guess that's fine, Holy because Alexander association, which also works.
Vivi: Fire.  Fitting because that's the element he's seen using most commonly.  He gets Dark and Poison as well but in solo spells that were matching their home element.
Steiner: Fire.  I guess because of the Vivi aspect, Fire fits him as well, so whatever.
Freya: Wind.  Dragoon element.
Quina: Symbolic of Every Bad Decision DeNA Makes Elemental.  I'm sticking by this claim too!
Eiko: She gets one Wind spell but I don't count that because that was just matching Fenrir in FF9; she'll be Holy in the grand scheme of things I'm sure.
Armarant: Fire.  Monk element, but he also calls himself the "Flaming Armarant" so...
Beatrix: Holy.  She's a Paladin, as if she could get away with anything else...
Kuja: Darkness.  Oh look, they stereotyped an element on him despite how many people say he's a rare example of a Holy elemental villain, who even calls himself an Angel (...of Death.)  God damn it DeNA, why?

Tidus: Water.  Between Blitzball, and his trademark Weapon being Water elemental, this felt obvious.
Yuna: Holy.  White Mage element, so really to be expected.
Wakka: Gets one Water soul break but I don't count that, so really he's just Non-elemental.
Lulu: Mostly Ice...which fits her personality.  She also gets Fire, Water and Lightning on other Soul Breaks, but Ice appears most often, the other 3 are because that was her thing in FF10.
Kimhari: Water.  Yeah I can't really explain this one; I'd have gone with Ice because of mt. Gagazet myself.
Rikku: She gets a Water Soul break but that's one in a sea of Non-elemental, so I'll go with explosions...just...explosions...
Auron: So here's a guy with a Soul Break aclled Tornado...that is Fire Elemental....I mean, I get WHY but shouldn't it be Fire/Wind?  Whatever, Auron is basically Non-elemental otherwise.
Jecht: Darkness.  Villain element, he gets Fire on one I guess because you fight him a lava filled arena...and monk element...
Braska: Fire.  Really, they could have gotten away with just about anything that wasn't Darkness here so...
Paine: Gets multiple elements...none of which I'd associate her with...so yeah, no real association.
Seymour: Darkness.  Villain element, but also Anima is the "Dark Aeon" so...

Shantotto: No real heavy elemental alignment, she could get away with just about anything that wasn't Holy though.
Ayame: See Shantotto, only I know less about her.
Curilla: Holy.  Apparently she's a Paladin so...
Prishe: Non-elemental...How the hell is she NOT Holy elemental when she's got a JESUS DROP KICK OF DEATH?
Lion: Non-Elemental, not that she has an elemental association...

Vaan: Nothing, though Fire/Wind should be used on him.
Balthier: Fire elemental.  I guess that kind of works based off his attack animations...
Fran: Lightning.  She's apparently really good with machines so...
Basch: Holy primary, Dark secondary.  He's a noble Knight, but he has some Dark-looking Quickenings so yeah.
Ashe: Lightning.  Given she's got the whole DIVINE CHOSEN ONE thing but isn't actually a divine or religious character or anything, Lightning fits.
Penelo: Holy.  White Mage element, I think her Quickenings support this too.
Gabranth: Darkness.  Villain element, plus his Quickenings are the same as his brothers.
Larsa: Potion elemental.  AS HE SHOULD BE!
Vayne: Darkness.  Villain element, about as good as you'll get for hi.

Lightning: Lightning.  This doesn't fit at all.  I mean seriously, HOW COULD THEY PUT THIS ON HER!?  FAIL HORRIBLY DeNA!!!!
Snow: Ice.  ...likewise, what the hell guys? HOW COULD YOU SCREW THIS UP SO BADLY?!
Vanille: Nothing.  She SHOULD be Earth Elemental because of Hecatoncheir, but they'll make her Holy if they ever give her one because White Mage.
Sazh: gets ONE Fire SOul Break, but that fits because of Brunhyldr.
Hope: Holy.  He gets Alexander, so really, what else would they give him?
Fang: Wind.  Dragoon Element, also gets a huge flying Dragon as her Eidolon.
Serah: Ice. Ok this one is stupid, and I don't mean in an ironic way.  In FF13-2, Ice is one of her WORSE elements, with Fire being her best and Lightning being a close second.  There's nothing about Serah that would make her fit Ice either, be it personality, history, etc.  If anything, the fact that she sleeps with Snow means she should be something OTHER than Ice!
Cid: Holy.  Ok, he's FF13's villain rep...but they actually paid attention to things like his design and attacks unlike Kuja and appropriately gave him an element that fits rather than going "DARKNESS IS THE (VILLAIN) HEARTS TRUE ESSENCE!"
Noel: Nothing.  Wind or Ice would work on him but nothing yet so...

Y'shtola: Nothing; she gets a default Water Soul Break, and should be Wind or Earth given FF14 Conjurers...but they'll White Mage elemental her down the line.
Thancred: He has Wind, FIre and Poison.  Ok each make sense in a different way, with Wind because of his role, Fire because he's from the Thanalan region, and Poison because of his effect on women...ok, that last one was a stretch...
Yda: Fire, with some Earth...because Monk...
Papalymo: Fire and Ice...because that's what Thaumaturges did in FF14.
Alphinaud: Wind.  Mostly just a result of him being released in the Garuda event and the same event Tiamat is released and...honestly really you could get away with anything for him.
Minfillia: Holy.  because, you know, she's totally fitting of a Paladin...with...reasons...and stuff...look she should be "Damsel in Distress" elemental and DeNA should feel ashamed for themselves.

Noctis: ????? at this point.  He should be Holy given his plot in FF15.

Ramza: Holy...on one move...honestly nothing is really stand out for him in this regard, he should probably just be Buttpants Elemental.
Agrias: Holy.  Well it's not like she's a HOLY Knight or anything...
Delita: Nothing really.  Should just be Back Stab With Flowers Elemental.
Ovelia: Holy.  Because White Mage.
Mustadio: Guns Elemental.  Because Guns.
Orlandu: Holy elemental because Holy Swordsmen, Thunder as 2ndary because TG Cid.
Gafgarion: Darkness.  I mean, it's not like he's a DARK Knight or anything...
Rafa: Nothing yet; she gets Fire and Lightning but mostly because that's what those two moves did in FFT.
Malak: Darkness.  I guess they want to represent "Untruth" in a way that makes it different from Truth and...look, I'm putting more thought into Malak than anyone should.

Reynn: Ice.  Well, Shiva was the female of the early Summon trio, though I'd give her Wind thanks to Serafie, which totally goes with her, but let's not get into that.
Lann: Fire.  Tama totally rides on his head nad is Fire Elemental, and Ifrit goes with Lann if Shiva goes with Reynn, because Ramuh is basically the Rayquaza of the two.


<Maechen> And that, as they say, is that...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 26, 2016, 05:58:02 PM
I think Shantotto getting the Thunder CSB cements her as thunder-elemental. Also her Burst focuses more on Thunder than the other two elements. You could argue she's more like a Multi-elemental similar to Bartz though.

I feel like the reason Krile ended up a Fire mage is because she has almost the exact same build as Rydia, and they had already (rightfully) made Rydia Earth-elemental.

I'd fix FF9 by giving Holy to Kuja, Darkness to Vivi, and implementing Blue Magic dammit. (I guess Quina could be Water? S/he does have one of the only Water-boosting equipments in the game.)

Seriously, though, I think there were only like 2 definitively water-aligned characters in the cast? I think that means Poison is more common as a elemental affinity?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 27, 2016, 01:45:27 AM
No, Vivi should remain fire.  His initial element in FF9 is Fire, and he uses it plenty throughout plot, and one of his biggest scenes is on the Airship where he fights Black Waltz 3 with Fire vs. Lightning.  The entire early game is him nuking things with Fire.  The only Darkness aspect he has is Doomsday, which is an ultimate move that hits himself too.  Remember that Garnet's Ultimate spell is also Darkness (Ark), and I don't see that working.  Vivi is pretty clearly associated with Fire in FF9 early on, so it fits.

Quina should be water though, if only because s/he comes from a Marsh, so what else will you give?

While I get the argument for why Krile was changed, the thing is, FF5 has a stronger elemental connection than FF4 did.  Rydia could have been a number of things that would have made sense, Krile is outright proclaimed as the Earth Crystal character and in FF5a, they even incorporate that into their gameplay with Gladiator.  When it comes down to it, Rydia's the one they should have changed, and going "well, Krile's too similar to Rydia" feels cheap as a reason when you're legitimately ignoring an elemental factor.  Honestly, they just seem to not care about FF5 characters and accurately portraying them, giving them random shit.  Heck, taken a step further, Krile is gotten in the Earth Crystal Arc, appears from a Meteor, and has the whole "Nature Girl" thing suggesting "Earth' since she talks to animals...her being Fire is about as arbitrary as you can get.  At least they went with Wind, they could have said "because she has a Dragon she can speak to!" which would be a stretch but it's SOMETHING.
Some characters getting random elements is "whatever" because they don't have any elemental connection (Maria, for example), but in this case, Krile IS clearly Earth aligned, and they chose to just ignore it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 28, 2016, 04:57:15 AM
45 Pulls on the OSB Banner 1 (4 11 Pulls + 100 gems), my results?

2 Platinum Swords (dupes)
2 Tin Armors
2 Abel's Lances (mrgrgrgr!)
1 Shura Gloves
1 Blood Sword

...well, I got Terra's OSB and one of the best physical BSBs in the game, so I can hardly complain, but I still want Terra's Tiara for that +40 Terra w/ the En-fire OSB combo!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on December 28, 2016, 06:25:32 AM
Global: http://i.imgur.com/kGlT7g3.png

JP:

http://i.imgur.com/DqPVJij.png
http://i.imgur.com/pBvRvQc.png
http://i.imgur.com/vj0EkPM.png

needs more celescaliburs
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 28, 2016, 11:43:14 AM
Did two pulls and a 100-gem on the banner myself because I'm weak. Results: another Minwu Healing Staff (on the 100-gem), Blood Sword, Shura Gloves, another Tin Armor and another Mistilteinn. Shouldn't have gotten greedy (Shura Gloves and Blood Sword were my top prizes and they came on the first, Mythril-covered pull), but can't really complain.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 28, 2016, 12:04:55 PM
Did two pulls and a 100-gem on the banner myself because I'm weak.  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ge53QaDpKQ)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 29, 2016, 02:05:38 AM
So learning about the New years Mythril, and I have 111 at the moment, I decided to do one last minute pull, but I insured that:

-Mandy presses the button, because why not?
-I sacrifice Magic to Tapu Koko, since last time I did that, it got me Terra's Blood Sword!

The result?

Another Abel's lance, and...

(http://i.imgur.com/8Cgjtkkl.png)

:)

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 29, 2016, 07:10:46 PM
Thancred: He has Wind, FIre and Poison.  Ok each make sense in a different way, with Wind because of his role, Fire because he's from the Thanalan region, and Poison because of his effect on women...ok, that last one was a stretch...

Actually, poison makes a bit more sense if you consider the general Rogue kit - specifically, Kiss of the Wasp and Kiss of the Viper.  Aside from that, there's not really much else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 01, 2017, 01:28:45 AM
So the fabled FF14 banner dropped.  I'm basically obligated to pull on this banner because Curtana and Holy Shield are Meepel's first glowy Sword/Shield, and well, you know how it is.

Didn't do my 11 pull yet because I swore I'd do other things first, including the ritualistic volcanic sacrifice to the Island Deity to raise my luck, but I did do a 100 Gem Pull!

Oh I'll get rekt, so I'll just cover screen, and just press button fast to get through it and-*checks screen, Veil of Wiyu*

...or I can get the Burst I actually wanted :)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 01, 2017, 01:30:48 AM
100 Gem: Rekt
First 11-pull: Healer's Robe, Wizard's Gloves, and Healer's Circlet
Second 11-pull: Omnirod, Evoker's Doublet.

I guess I'm set!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 01, 2017, 01:53:17 AM
First 11 pull: Both Minfilia relics
Second 11 pull: Wizard Gloves, Evoker's Doublet, Healer's Robe

Pretty good haul. Only question now, should I change my RW from SSII to Ley Lines, Deployment Tactics, or Blessings of Light?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 01, 2017, 02:23:24 AM
Single 11-pull on OSB3: Agrias' burst, Ovelia's medica/mblink SSB. I think I'm set for FFT even if I strike out on the Cid banner.

FF14: First pull, Healer's Circlet. Good start.
Second pull: Duplicate Thyrus. Bah.
I budgeted for two pulls but with the free New Year's mythril coming tomorrow, I figured what the hell. Third pull: Wizard's Gloves, Evoker's Doublet, Curtana. Hell yeah. Best mage shout, damage reflect, first healer burst, first support burst.

Also, I think I can put together that all-knight A team now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 01, 2017, 05:04:52 AM
First 11 pull: Both Minfilia relics
Second 11 pull: Wizard Gloves, Evoker's Doublet, Healer's Robe

Pretty good haul. Only question now, should I change my RW from SSII to Ley Lines, Deployment Tactics, or Blessings of Light?

Deployment Tactics would be my pick. Mostly because it's a zero-maintenance SB and its effect is -really- good. Blessings of Light not being stackable hurts its flexibility. Papalymo's Ley Lines is great, but they'd involve possibly switching gear on a weekly basis.

This said, I went hard on this banner. As in, seven pulls hard. This got me every single relic on the banner besides Curtana, 7* Thyrus and Healer's Robe, 6* Holy Shield and 6* Evoker's Doublet, which I'm absolutely okay with.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on January 01, 2017, 09:00:43 AM
JP is handing out 6*s and Bursts like candy... so many of these Fes banners are basically guaranteed Bursts with a decent chance at a 6*, which even if you already have them, are still very worth it as stat sticks.

Current haul from the holiday Fests:

Vanille's USB
Locke's Burst
Yuna's good SSB
Hope's Burst
Tifa's USB
Ingus' Burst
Balthier's OSB
Balthier's Burst
Layla's Burst
Golbez's Burst
Relm's Burst
Cloud's OSB
Cloud's Burst 2
Rydia's Burst
Papylimo's Burst
Fujin's Burst
Lulu's Burst
Larsa's Burst
Alphinaud's Burst (x4...)
...a bunch of SSBs of varying quality and...
GILGAMESH'S USB~

Mythril mostly, though I did buy ~$100 worth of gems for the pretty Terra/Gilgamesh/Cecil/Yuna fes banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 01, 2017, 10:04:58 PM
So far, my planned Mage Party:

Alphinaud (Deployment Tactics), Papalymo (Ley Lines), Hope (Divine Judgment), Ashe (Dusk's Decree), and Y'shtola (Asylum).  Aside from just giving Y'shtola the Breakdowns, is there much this party is missing?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 01, 2017, 11:18:58 PM
You may want to run a breakdown burst or just replace one of your buffers with a support/dancer, having a stackable buff as your RW. You have both SSII and Asylum, which suddenly makes running Wrath'shtola very appealing. Which one you replace depends on whether your RW has Hastega or not. On average, Potato + stackable MAG buff should yield superior dps, while Alph + OK BSB provides flexibility and a unique utility... but damage reflection synergizes poorly with Stoneskin.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 01, 2017, 11:37:28 PM
I promised I wouldn't do an 11 pull on FF14 until I did:

-100 Gem Pull (Which got me Veil of Wiyu)
-Finished the Orbfest initial runs (which I did)!
-Sacrificed someone to an island deity for good RNG luck

So I did step 3, and did the 11 pull, and results?

Curtana, Omnirod, and Wizard Gloves.


you know, I was just thinking about my team and potential alts, but I think Papalymo just completely killed any reason to use Edea OR Lulu.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 02, 2017, 12:11:11 AM
The 20% boosts at this point are strictly CM material anyway. Papalymo's Ley Lines's where it's at for single MAG +30% boosts, really.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 02, 2017, 05:17:37 AM
Basically, yeah.  I mean, Lulu's Focus stacks with Papalymo, but I can't imagine that 20% Boost taking priority over other options.

Might as well go over my Mage Team set up as is for that matter...

Things I have worth noting:

Terra's everything but Trance Fira: Do I really have to explain this one?  A staple unless the enemy resists Fire and ISN'T weak to Water, and even then, the OSB is so good it might be worth using anyway.  I suppose she might get benched if the enemy is weak to Lightning.

Ashe's BSB: Would be a staple because Duck's Decree is that good, but recently gained competition.  Doesn't hurt that I also have Garnet's Dagger of Resolve which is a perfect compliment.  The only downside is running into Lightning resistance which she legitimately struggles with on damage given her big damage move is Lightning, not Lightning/Non, and her 2nd move is just not good enough without En-Lightning.

Alphinaud's Veil of Wiyu: The person competing with Ashe for that other slot.  I have the Oath Veil, so he can boost the damage, though no weapon to do that with, and he can't use Desch's Sword+++ that I have.  He can, however, run Protectga/Shellga to sub if I need an extra casting, and his BSB allows him to use low hone moves, and unlike Ashe, his element (eventually) compliments Meltdown (though, that requires a lot of diving), and a 5* Summon, though Ashe can throw Chain Thundagas.  He also isn't screwed over by Wind resist as bad as Ashe is by Lightning resist, though Ashe hits weaknesses way more often.  Really who is better depends on circumstance.

Papalymo's Ley Lines: Yeah, kind of a staple regardless of team, since he's being used to compliment the entire team.
I also have Papalymo's Swiftcast Fira but I can't see myself ever using that considering Leylines.

Tyro's Sentinel Grimoire and Keeper's Grimoire: ...yeah, I can't NOT use him.  Too versatile, Soul Breaks too good, etc.  He's a staple.

Garnet's BSB and SSB: Ok, the SSB is mostly there for +10 Magic, but otherwise?  She's really only seeing use if Holy or Lightning weakness is in play, about the only time Terra may miss out.  She also has a bit of variety with White 4 and her BSB allows for a makeshift back up healer, so she'll see more consistent use than other "back ups" hence why I placed her here.

And obviously a token healer.  Right now that's Relm (Portrait of Laskhmi), but obviously it comes down to "whoever I have the best Medica for!"  I have a few characters who can sub in depending on circumstance (Vanille, and Arc come to mind.  Porom use to be there but Leylines kind of renders her SSB moot compared to other options)


Other options on the side who might be useful in rare cases but probably won't see much use:

Ex-death's SSB: Darkness Mage w/ Magic Blink SSB, I'm not sure I'll ever NEED it, but it's definitely something I wouldn't throw out.  Also a Sage, so can run Protectga/Shellga.  Also can use Swords so can make use of Terra's Blood Sword or Desch's Sword+++.

Edea's Inaugural Parade: Kind of obsolete thanks to Papalymo, but maybe there's a case where a Darkness Mage would be ideal...except that I'm pretty sure my OTHER Darkness Mage potentials would just be better, still couldn't hurt to mention...

Raines' SSB: If I need Holy weakness AND Darkness Weakness at the same time, this could come in handy maybe? ...doubt it...STILL IT'S AN SSB!  And not one that feels like a waste such as Vivi (whom I still struggle to find use of...)

Maria's SSB: I'm not sure I can see a situation where a 20% Faithga on damage will be useful, but worth noting; I have a ++ version of said Bow, so in FF2 Realms she may be ideal just for the shear stats she'd get.

Lulu's Focus: Given it's a Faithga that stacks with Leylines that I have natively, I shouldn't throw this out entirely, especially since it comes with a 50% res bonus that can come in handy.  Downside of course is Lulu has absolutely no variety whatsoever.



That's honestly one of the things that I really like about the prospect of getting Papalymo into my Mage team: Not only is the Soul Break better, but he's just so much more flexible than Lulu and Edea.  Both ladies can basically do Nukes and nothing else (Edea more so thanks to MM+DZ), Papalymo has nuke potential AND can field some utility.  As I said above, I could totally see myself running him with like Protectga + Ideal Attack spell, and having him RW Onion Knight or something, and that lasting the entire fight.  It really is nice knowing that I won't have to sacrifice a slot on one of my cannons (Terra and Ashe generally, might as well add Alphinaud to the list) for Dispel or something like that.


So ULTIMATELY, my Mage Team will look something like this:

Terra
Ashe (or Alphinaud)
Papalymo
*Healer*
Tyro

With Garnet on the sidelines as an option I will consider based on circumstances.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 03, 2017, 04:44:38 PM
Had mithril to burn.

Got alp's coat.

I'm guessing he just jumped into my mage team somehow.


Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 05, 2017, 03:08:24 PM
Just beat all the Bonus fights, including Ultima Weapon, in the past 24 hours because Orbfest ended.

Not going to post exact teams since too lazy to remember them exactly,but i can post what strats I used and such.

For Ultima Weapon, I used a mixed team.  Beatrix was there because Knight, and I had foresight to recognize Magic Blink might be really useful here so Seiken Shock  just about everything else I had.  Relm was my token healer...just assume that's the case until I get a healer BSB.  Tyro was there because, well, SG and his BSB, the latter of which actually saw use for once later in the fight because Magic Blink > Sentinel Grimoire.  Between him and Beatrix, there were a fair number of missed Ultimas.  Raines went in with an MM+DZ set up, and I chose him because he had a Holy Elemental SSB which hit quite hard.  In hindsight, Garnet may have been better with her BSB, but eh, I won with only one reset.


I CM'd Bartz U+ this time, losing 3 medals.  A few things that help is Dorgan having Knight 5 lets him wield Banishing Strike, the existence of Gaia Cross allowing Gilgamesh to do SOMETHING while Drawtaliating, Ex-Death having an SSB for some extra DPS, and I did egg the characters up to 75 and RD'd some of them for added stats.  Faris did stat breaking, Gilgamesh Drawtaliated, Dorgan threw up SG #1, and otherwise did Banishing Strike/Saint Cross, Ex-death did MM+DZ combos.  Rough, mostly because Lenna's Medica was a shared Mystery Veil, but unlike the first Bartz U+, this felt do-able, if for no other reason than you know his first two turns won't slaughter you outright.  Blue Magic Missile Salvo has the same overall effect as his opening Double Monk Kick bullshit in the previous, but the difference is because it's set damage, you know you'll survive, and I don't think he can use anything MT outside of that until Trueblade of Legend.  This is a much better crafted fight as a result, if only because the fight isn't determined immediately of "Can you get Protectga up before Monk Kick #1, or 2 Layers of Non-Power Breakdown mitigation up BEFORE Monk Kick #2? If not, sucks to be you!" 


Primal Ex-death...well...this is the fight where I really got to test out my new toy in Leylines.  See, I didn't really have a good opportunity before since the Ultimate+s in the terror fights were a joke, and Ultima Weapon seemed like it begged for a physical or mixed team due to that glaring holy weakness.  Here? Went in full Mage Meta, and GOOD LORD does Leylines make your DPS insane.  Being able to stack 2 30% Magic Boosts (RWing VoF naturally) instead of a 30% + 20% through Lulu's focus makes a notable difference, but more to the point, Quick Magic + Haste combo was absurd.  I actually felt like I was hitting him with a barrage attacks rather than the other way around. 
Amusingly, between this fight and Rubicante U+, I actually did use Terra's BSB despite having the SSB2 + OSB combo, if only because she's like the one Mage who can actually exploit that water weakness to reasonable effectiveness.  It's rare that the BSB becomes useful with that combo, but this was one such rare case!  It won't be until like Gogo and Chain Waterga drop that any other Mage can really exploit Water well (waterja exists, but capped at 9999, and Leviabeetus just isn't enough by itself.)

Didn't bother attempting to Cid Mission Isegbind.  He's a jerk in FF14 because he keeps landing on Meepel, but more importantly, my synergy here isn't quite as good as my FF5 Synergy overall, and I have the same "no real medica" for all that I do have Y'shtola's SSB with Proshellga + Heavy Regen, so maybe that could work?  I'll figure it out at some point.  I mage Meta'd the entire way, and Garuda exploded really fast.  One worry part was I started charging En-Fired Scorching Flames...then she summoned her plumes and was worried Terra would blow her OSB on one of them, but no, she hit Garuda for like 96k damage and all was well. 


But yeah, Papalymo has not disappointed.  In fact, Garuda was a case where I took advantage of his White 4 as I gave him Shellga since it sounds like Garuda was a mixed attacker, so Relm runs Protectga, he runs Shellga.  Granted, having Leylines, the RW AND one of Proshellga on one character does lead to a cluster fuck of buffs taking 3 turns, but shh!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 05, 2017, 04:25:09 PM
Oddly I found U+ Bartz to be a bigger pain this time than in the first go-round -- that time I got through the CM with a Lunatic High RW, but in the new event I had to run Sheepsong and RW a Wall. Same strategy as before otherwise -- have Gilgamesh draw fire (now with Gaia Cross so he can do damage!) and use the hits to charge Faithful Companion, everybody else just smacks Bartz as hard as they can.

Primal Exdeath was mainly a planning challenge for me -- my strategy was super reliant on bursts, with Vessel of Fate native and RW'd Aerial Blast (goddamn that thing is good), so I had to pick spell loadouts depending on which phase characters would run out of burst turns in. My first run ended up in a huge clusterfuck where OK had no offensive spells equipped and couldn't charge his gauge after running out of VoF, and then Papalymo died, and it spiraled from there until the last phase had a near-invisible health sliver left but Faris was the only one alive, sitting in the back row with Defend active, hoping Exdeath would hit her just enough to charge Sea Lord's Broadside for a killing blow. Shocking twist: He did! And I won that run! Missed mastery, of course, but still a moral victory. Then I came back with a better loadout and Papalymo still died, but I re-upped wall at a reasonable time and everybody else coasted.

With that out of the way I finally started in on the FF14 event, so I've almost got my super knight team together (just need that pesky MC2 for Minfilia). Will definitely be taking a shot at the Isegbind CM too -- gotta use this shiny realm synergy before it stops mattering forever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 06, 2017, 01:11:09 PM
Oh lord.

I tried multiplayer last night.

People are bad, or trolls, or worse.

I'm scared.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 06, 2017, 05:44:22 PM
Done with all the new content, which exploded due to my current FF14 synergy being FF9-level nuts at this point after so many pulls. I just went full-on CM, I have SSB-level or above relics for everybody in FF14 at this point. I'm pretty sure I could trounce Garuda with just Y'shtola and Alphinaud (did so with Yda/Alphinaud/Y'shtola for a tier challenge team, didn't even need to S/L... or try very hard at all, really. Alph BSB makes for absolutely ridiculous DPS), but why bother.

This said, also did the Three Piglets CM on the Torment Dungeon, which was a doozy. Last week, I used leftover gems from the FF14 banner extravaganza and pulled on banner 1 on hopes of landing Krile's burst. Landed Dorgan's SSB instead, but having a stacking MAG buff for the CM was instrumental, since it meant Exdeath could actually deal heavy damage against the piggies instead of just being a heal battery, along with seriously improving Krile's damage as well. Run Dorgann on tanking duty, drawing physicals and ST magic from the back row, buff up, use Faris' BSB to speed up the trash management, build up SB gauge with the other characters and run a long, drawn-out fight. Even on the lower difficulties, Torment dungeons are serious business. The 250 dungeon gave a sweat even to my otherwise obscene mage A-Team (full SB Cait Sith for AoE debuffs, OSB+BSB Terra, BSB Quistis, full SB Alphinaud and full SB Y'shtola) due to the offense+durability combo being so completely off the wall.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 08, 2017, 01:45:28 AM
Did all new content except for Torment 250 Dungeon, and even Cid Missioned Isegbind which...was a lot easier than expected!  This is despite Thancred spending most of the fight paralyzed and then him paralyzing Alphinaud late in the fight when I needed Alphinaud's offense the most.  Minfillia and Thancred died in the fight...yet I somehow still mastered it, go figure (Not that it mattered since I was going for the clear, but hey.)

Pigletts weren't that bad for 200, I am not looking forward to the 250 one though, if for no other reason than "durable trash mobs" sounds completely unappealing to me.  I did get to see Terra do 90k to the Fire weak one with her OSB at least, and Fire Beam was actually useful spamming just because it's AoE and can wipe out all 3 of them at once if timed right.  I suspect my strategy should work fine against the the upgraded versions, it's just the HP Scores of the trash mobs that appear as a turn off.  Maybe I'll wait til after tomorrow when I plan on throwing Ashe at the EXP Dungeon solo to get her levels up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 08, 2017, 02:30:35 AM
The trash mob durability even on 250 actually isn't too daunting, at least running mage bursts, though obviously not to be trifled with. The piglets are scary as -fuck- on D250, though. Their pressure's simply relentless and you have little to no room for error on your buff timing and maintenance.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 08, 2017, 05:16:10 AM
I tried the 250 Difficulty because I remember that the way Torments are structured, they refund your Stamina on failures anyway, so I figured why not?

Did not realize it was 7 rounds, not 5, and yes, the enemies were as durable as they sound.  Also doesn't help that Hydras completely kill Ashe's burst, forcing her to using her her weaker action without the +50% En-element boost.  I also do need to work on some hones, but unsure what I want to boost. 

I think I might hold off until I can get Alphinaud's cap broken a 3rd time (I know his MC3 comes faster than you'd expect), or if I get a good Burst from the Summoner Banner.  What doesn't help though is my Magic Synergy for FF5 is basically non-existent, so ripping apart trash mobs isn't so easy.   I guess it wouldn't be so bad but my one run had like 4 freaking Hydras, which is "lol fuck your ammo" since they have 100k HP or some such.  It contrasts, say, Fairy Orcs where while they attack you 5 at a time, a single Bahamut + Ruinga tends to rip them apart.

And yeah, the Pigs themselves are pretty crazy.  Seeing Dusk's Decree doing 900 a shot is pretty disheartening.  Granted my buffs weren't up but still.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 09, 2017, 01:16:44 PM
His MC3 comes on the next batch, in early February. On the same batch, they also hand Quistis' MC3, so I'm very eagerly waiting for that update.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 09, 2017, 04:05:32 PM
The +++ Cid mission is a goddamn pain in the ass with only Vanille's medica/ether SSB. Obviously my choice of RW is key, but Mighty Guard 8, onionburst and synergy OSB have all gotten me only sorta close to a win. I think I'll wait for the Raines BSB to drop and try it with that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 09, 2017, 11:48:33 PM
Yay, I finally beat the Dead from the Deep, Part 1...  Both Mastered AND the CM!

Things I did skill-wise:
Crafted Meteor and honed it to R3.
Honed Bahamut from R2 to R3.
Honed the free Curaja from the last celebration to R5, giving me two R5 Curajas.
Honed Heathen Frolic Sarabande from R1 to R4 (only needed R3 though).

My team:
Bartz L97 - Lifesiphon R4/Blizzaga Strike R4 - Attunement II - Light of the Four/Trueblade of Legend - Lifesiphon was used before the boss, Blizzaga Strike once for the mastery condition, and then Light of the Four for sheer damage.
Krile L97 - Bahamut R3/Quake R4 - Devotion - Sheepsong/Unspoken Bond - Quake saw a lot of value, since it dealt 7500 to the poison guy, and 4500 to the back row guys.  Bahamut gave no craps and dealt 13000 to everyone.  Ran out of charges towards the end of the fight.
Exdeath L80 - Curaja R5/Meteor R3 - Vow of Vengeance - Grand Cross - That SB saw so much use, and it saved my skin more than I care to admit.  Curaja for back-up healing was nice, since Meteor was only dealing 4K to everyone after buffs...  But you know what?  That's enough.
Faris L80 - Full Break R3/Heathen Frolic Sarabande R4 - Ace Striker - Sea Lord's Broadside - She brought the enemies' MAG score down.  Extra damage from Sea Lord's never hurt, either.
Lenna L97 - Curaja R5/Shellga R4 - Cetra's Destiny - Flames of War - Her SB bar was kinda worthless after a bit...  Almost wish there was a skill that could eat an ally's bar, like eat 3 to get a bit over 1 or something.  Anyway, she healed, which was so very critical...  But that's kind of a duh statement, isn't it?
RW: Y'shtola's Asylum

But yeah, fight was intense.  Winning run though...  They played REALLY nice in using Firaga/Blizzaga a lot to give me breathing room.

...Now on to the D250 one.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 10, 2017, 01:11:10 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/nQBJoJO.png)

Didn't get the grand prize or the top consolation, but... hot damn, what a roll. Should be set on XIII synergy for life now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 10, 2017, 01:15:46 AM
So, my FF13 synergy going into this event was utter garbage, as I mentioned before.

(http://i.imgur.com/27xU9rK.png)

I originally budgeted for two pulls, but yeah, I think I'm good now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 10, 2017, 05:20:53 AM
Beat all the bonus fights in FF13, including the MO ones. Oddly, less difficulty with Apocalypse than U+ for Bartandelus, I guess I just drew a hell of a crew on my first attempt, luck of the draw.

Didn't do the Cid Mission against U+ Lightning, mostly because the DPS is way too high for a group that lacks Hastega.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 10, 2017, 11:58:45 AM
Holy shit, Raines BSB is so damn broken it was the best DPS in JP RK still until Cloud's USB opened new possibilities with damage cap-breaking. Congrats, Shale.

So, my synergy for FFXIII was pretty outdated and I needed some more options SB-wise. Four pulls. Landed Ninurta, two Meteorblazes, a Cid's Finery, another Serah's Glove and two Flamberges. Yeah, I'm pretty good now, I needed another DPS mage burst and Serah's my first AoE stackable MAG+MND boost - and my first FFXIII Faithga. I can finally retire Boon for good, at least. I'm also pretty sure I could run a terrifying mixed holy team with Hope/Beatrix/Celes now. I could fill up with Minfilia for the +50% ATK and Last Stand along with Support options, maybe Vanille for Light Eternal spamming when healing isn't necessary.

THIS SAID, beat all the content. Same deal as with Meeple, Apocalypse Bort went down easier than U+ because I landed a crazy good crew with excellent coordination (ran Indoblade Celes + Wrath'shtola, with full kit Minfilia/BSB Vanille, BSB+SSB Beatrix/Dancing SG Tyro and Cleansing Strike Agrias/BSB Onion Knight as allies). ID resist trivialized Thanatosian Smile, Indoblade mostly trivialized Pailette and Auldron while shutting down Bort's otherwise scary counters, Blessing of Light gave us a second wind (which was eventually necessary) and both Asylum and SSII were very useful to patch up points where the Tyro lacked gauge to SG and keep us alive. We ended the fight all alive with high HP. Compare with Ultimate+, where we ended with three people dead. If nothing else, the redditor room they opened for MP has some really good and nice players to mingle with. Poor coordination with Borty is a complete killer, since the dispel => haste is obscenely nasty, he starts instadoubling -the entire party- if left unchecked. MP is very fun, really!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 10, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
Yeah, I'm still boggling at my luck with bursts over the past couple of months. Ramza's seemed like a booby prize at the time, but with that added to OK's, Agrias', Minfilia's and now Raines', I've got one hell of a holy arsenal.

Edit: It probably goes without saying, but Cid went through the rest of the XIII event like a hot knife through butter. GodDAMN that's good damage. Haven't done MP Barty yet, but he and Agrias are going to have a lot of fun there, I think.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 10, 2017, 02:35:00 PM
Honestly, Bart's ST is so drastically overrated.  There was never a single failed run where I went "man, I wish I had a way to counter Baptism in Ruin or his counters!"  No, my losses were always a result of dispel -> Destrudo, and my winning run was, fittingly enough, because someone charged Stoneskin II right before he Dispel'd, so recovering was a lot easier.

Not to mention the first phase is a joke.  In MP, a winning team is gunning down the Pauldron and Ailette in no time at all, such that he will only ever use his garbage ST moves, and the stronger stuff is AoE anyway.  For this reason, people suggesting setting around the ST stuff feel like they're actually hurting themselves, not helping, since they're actively missing the real threats of the fight.  Stopping some extra damage doesn't hurt, sure, but it should not be the priority people are acting like it is.  Not to mention, the counters aren't even that common, and good fights tend to do as much DPS in as little actions as possible.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 11, 2017, 01:30:35 AM
So, Demon Piglets D250 beaten.

Ashe L97 - Meteor R3/Chain Stonega R3 - Dusk's Decree - Ace Striker
Hope L97 - Chain Firaga R2/Bahamut R3 - Divine Judgment - Battleforged
Exdeath L80 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Grand Cross - Mako Might
Papalymo L97 - Blizzaja R4/Protectga R2 - Ley Lines - Dr. Mog's Teachings
Y'shtola L97 - Curaja R5/Wrath R4 - Stoneskin II/Asylum - Knight's Charge
RW: Onion Knight's Vessel of Fate.

...This fight took me a LOT of resetting to do.  But I did it!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 13, 2017, 07:12:54 PM
Edit: It probably goes without saying, but Cid went through the rest of the XIII event like a hot knife through butter. GodDAMN that's good damage. Haven't done MP Barty yet, but he and Agrias are going to have a lot of fun there, I think.

UPDATE: Fun was, in fact, had. D160 Bart got exactly one action after dropping below 50% life.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on January 13, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
I think I might have the makings of a mage team now?

I'm thinking something like,

Onion Knight - Onion Gauntlets
Terra - Blood Sword/Tiara
Alphinaud? - Veil of Wiyu, Evoker's Doublet
Papalymo? - Wizard's Glove.
Ysh'tola? - Healer Circlet, Thyrus (also have Healer Robe, and Omnirod)

Could be something when it gets going?, other options could maybe throw in Palom with his Asura Rod, Vivi with Flame Staff, or Vanille instead for her Burst healing and Command 1, though not sure if having Wall is essential or not. Oh yeah I also have Strago Morning Star and Desch Sword I think. I have Krile Fire Lash but apparently Papalymo is better or something and I have Edward's Burst but this is physical and not magical?
~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 14, 2017, 12:21:34 AM
Seeing some teammates use it in MP battles, Y'shtola's burst is kinda broken.  With that and two Magic boosters (Papalymo's Wizard Glove is his Faithga/Hastega/Fastcast SSB yeah?), your mages should basically destroy all that live, definitely.  Alphinaud and Terra are good DPS too, probably better overall than Vivi.  I'm not sure what the commands are on Vanille's burst, although the entry being instant certainly gives it some situational use over Y'shtola.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 14, 2017, 03:04:01 AM
I got to try out Vanille's burst in a multiplayer run where the owner disconnected, and it is really nice. Instant entry is great and it buffs her MND so the MT heal is strong. The downside is that she needs it, because it has a Chain Diaga attack instead of a ST heal.

EDIT: and yeah, CT, that is a BRUTAL mage team. Papalymo and OK's buffs stacked will make OK and Alphinaud hit like trucks with their bursts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 15, 2017, 11:59:02 PM
Y'shtola BSB activating right after Last Stand procs on six PCs in multiplayer is a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 16, 2017, 01:08:55 PM
I thought I had a good mage Meta Team, but CT's just put's mine to shame.

Finished FF9 event stuff, including CM.  Cid Mission was pissing me off until I realized damage wasn't the problem of the fight, it was Climhazzard + Sap, much like the original U. Beatrix, so I went in with Asylum as my RW instead of Wall, and that made all the difference  Still took a few tries, but having a cushion for Stock Break, an additional 2 Medicas I could throw out at a whim, with lower-medicas I can throw between, yeah.  Also helped that I adjusted Garnet from Pure Offense to an Off Healer, giving her Curaise.  Rest of the team was Eiko (Healer), Kuja (Darkness Mage), Beatrix (Gaia Cross + Lifesiphon), and Quina (Breaker.)

U++ Zidane...well, I have to give them credit, that was tough for different reasons than usual.  It's not his damage that gets you (it's not shabby, but it's nothing stand out by U++ standards...probably subpar even?), but rather just how he manipulates turns so much.  Constantly using Steal to get Haste and kill one PC's speed, having Dismissal AND Confusion (my first run, he had Terra locked out of doing anything constantly confusing her...on that note, I really hate RK confusion; there's no reason it should reset the ATB Gauge upon healing it if you aren't charging an attack.  I don't think ANY FF game has had confusion function this way.)  Winning Run mostly was Terra being able to get off her Fire Beam -> Scorching Flame Combo to mostly blast past his lower phases (his HP seemed relatively low too, thankfully.)


The MPs....well, the U+ version I had to do twice because the first group had no means of adding Slow.  Oops.  Otherwise, won in single attempts.  Also, Dived Alphinaud to get Black 5, so he can now actually make use of his BSB + Meltdown combo.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 16, 2017, 02:05:08 PM
I think I might have the makings of a mage team now?

I'm thinking something like,

Onion Knight - Onion Gauntlets
Terra - Blood Sword/Tiara
Alphinaud? - Veil of Wiyu, Evoker's Doublet
Papalymo? - Wizard's Glove.
Ysh'tola? - Healer Circlet, Thyrus (also have Healer Robe, and Omnirod)

That's a godlike mage team right there. Terra for obscene burst DPS (hand her R4 Wrath and whatever you may want to pad out your options from her skillset), Alphinaud for sustained DPS and utility, Papalymo for damage/white magic utility, OK for support and utility - if he's sufficiently dived, you can run him as both support and magic DPS with good enough synergy, Y'shtola with R4 Wrath to spam the fuck out of SSII and Asylum. Wrathspam's actually good enough to sustain both SSII and Asylum, and depending on your slot situation, you can find space even for Aetherial Pulse time and again, saving two ability slots otherwise reserved for Proshellga. OK and Potato both running Hastega makes for kinda poor synergy, but that's so minor with the compound DPS potential. The only thing I lack from your setup there is Terra's Tiara (have her Burst instead), but even then that's world-destroying magical power. Vanille has situational use over Y'shtola (surprisingly good damage on her Light Eternal, instant AoE Curaga is nut-bustingly good), but she wants parties that have ways to stack MND buffs as well to make the most of her solid offensive potential.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 16, 2017, 05:07:38 PM
I'll just note that Terra w/ Ace Striker + Wrath Combo is incredibly effective.  If nothing else, it's excellent for just blasting past those pesky weak phases.  Use wrath until she has 2 Gauges, then Fire Beam -> Scorching Flame.  If she somehow gains another gauge in the interim, another Scorching Flame!  If not, give her something like Meltdown, Chain Firaga or Bahamut to work clean up.

I'd say you may want a good synergy weapon for that strategy to work, but with both Onion Knight/Alphinaud and Papalymo's Boosts, you now have 2 +30% Boosts with a potential 3rd from an RW, so there you go.

Speaking of Alphinaud, if you can, I would recommend getting him to master his Magus Sphere.  Black 5 is a big deal for him, since he's one of the best users of Meltdown if he has his burst.  En-wind + the ability to recharge gauges?  He can easily get away with like R1 Meltdown + R2 Tiamat, refill the gauge during his burst, and fire again, and should have enough charges between Bursts.

I'd say the one thing that team lacks is a Support 5 but then remember Onion Knight can cover that.  I guess the REAL thing your team lacks is a Dancer for MT fights, but that's a very niche scenario.

Curiously, what back up mages do you have for your Mage Meta team?  Never hurts to have those should a situation arise.  For example, as good as Terra's set up is, it loses a fair amount of punch if the enemy resists Fire, so you may want a substitute there. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 16, 2017, 06:08:00 PM
Ace Striker/Battleforged on your BSB/En-element+OSB Support 4 mage is a seriously legit combo and is totally worth it as long as you have good enough synergy/base equipment to at least aproach 500 MAG with decent optimization before buffs. This is particularly great for Quistis and Raines, who also have a stackable self-MAG buff among their burst commands. Regardless, any Support 4 mage with a Burst/OSB En-element option (or just generally insane like Raines is) goes seriously far. Long gone are the days when Wrath was a waste of a slot, that sucker's enough of a mainstay on my teams that I ended up crafting two of those to R4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 16, 2017, 11:31:06 PM
Oh that reminds me, but could you please change your RW to Vessel of Fate or Aerial Burst or Scorching Flames, CT? I auto-follow anyone I know is an active DLer regardless, but I am basically never going to actually pick Deprotega from the RW list nowadays.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 16, 2017, 11:47:33 PM
Ace Striker/Battleforged on your BSB/En-element+OSB Support 4 mage is a seriously legit combo and is totally worth it as long as you have good enough synergy/base equipment to at least aproach 500 MAG with decent optimization before buffs. This is particularly great for Quistis and Raines, who also have a stackable self-MAG buff among their burst commands. Regardless, any Support 4 mage with a Burst/OSB En-element option (or just generally insane like Raines is) goes seriously far. Long gone are the days when Wrath was a waste of a slot, that sucker's enough of a mainstay on my teams that I ended up crafting two of those to R4.

Yeah, amazing how much better Wrath becomes when Support 4 Mages get actual (offensive) Soul Breaks worth a damn. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 17, 2017, 04:54:08 AM
Just because I think I did well considering my FF9 synergy is kinda bad...

U+ CM Mastered.

Garnet L79 - Curaja R5/Protectga R2 - Divine Guardian - Dr. Mog's Teachings
Eiko L76 - Curaja R5/Shellga R2 - Emerald Light - Knight's Charge
Beatrix L79 - (Wasted Slot)/Banishing Strike R4 - Rose of May - Mako Might
Kuja L76 - Momento Mori R3/Dark Zone R3 - Dread of Death - Ace Striker
Quina L78 - Entrust R3/Full Break R3 - Mending Touch (shared from White Robe) - Battleforged
RW: Vanille's Transcendent Dream

Steiner down first, then Beatrix.  Quina died fairly early into the fight, and Kuja managed to get one last Dread of Death for about 26K damage while his Doom Timer was at 0.  Tense fight.  Not doing it again.

Next up was the U++...  That fight was a complete joke, even with the boss constantly Hasting himself.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 18, 2017, 03:17:36 AM
After the realm lucky draw I'm now the proud owner of a spare Gold Hairpin (extra +water hat! I could do worse) and Yda's burst. I really didn't need more XIV synergy, but it looks like it'll be fun to play with, especially since I can juggle stoneskins a bit easier since I also have Asylum.

Also, I beat the Steiner/Beatrix Cid Mission after something like a dozen attempts. managing Climhazzards with no mitigation SBs is a pain.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 18, 2017, 03:39:02 AM
Edea's old original SSB... and Agrias' Burst.  Because Minfilia and her Curtana needed a new best friend.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 18, 2017, 03:46:51 AM
The DU LD gave me...  Garnet's Royal Gown.  Nothing too useful, but maybe I'll find a use sometime in the future.  Granted, it's also competing with Divine Guardian, when my only other FF9 Hastega is Eiko's Emerald Light.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 18, 2017, 02:37:07 PM
Lucky Draw net me another Evoker's Doublet and Garnet's Dagger of Resolve. Well, that's a way to pad out my mage bursts and the dagger itself is a neat stat stick in a realm where my magical synergy could honestly stand to be more inclusive (so... many... flutes...). As for the Doublet, well, I guess I now have my first 8* robe running off current tech. My FF14 synergy is so goddamned stupid.

EDIT: Yeah, Garnet's burst is definitely cool enough. Not that much offense, but sustainable enough and I can field some terrifying options for Holy (Raines' Imperil Holy SSB, Hope's Enholy Burst and Palom's tri-elemental stackable MAG debuff SSB stand out among those), and even adds up for a backup healing option. Not really a -strong- Burst, but at this point, variety trumps all unless I'm doing Torment dungeons.

EDIT2: Also, Garnet's second SSB is -great-. Stackable MAG buff with a rare as hell ID (only shared with Raines' BSB, IIRC?) and a 3000 HP buffer effect? That's seriously sweet.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on January 19, 2017, 06:04:26 PM
http://i.imgur.com/3NU5lKf.png

hello my old friend, i missed you from jp
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on January 19, 2017, 08:04:02 PM
Niiiice~

FFXIII banners, was hoping for Raines Burst, would even have been happy with Hope stuff for holy shenanigans, or Serah's bow for mag/mind buff, or even Snow relic, or Sazh's or anything really since XIII synergy is kind of lacking now aside from having practically everything for Vanille Oerba's Boon aside and Lighting's Burst relic. Ended up with only one relic which was Cid's Finery (Super Soul Break)

FFIX banners, banner two gave me Hamelin, Kuja's Gloves and Royal Gown, banner one gave Kuja's Terra Legacy.

Hey everyone, thanks for all the replies and advices. Glad what I have is feasible for a mage team. I was worried a lot of honing or grinding for lots of different abilities might be involved but that doesn't seem to be the case so much. Getting well honed Wraths for Yshtola and Terra ( and Alphinaud?) might take a while though since I only have 36 Greater Fire orbs. Hopefully upcoming events will reward them. I will create another Wrath to the one I usually use for Wakka in physical team and see how it goes from there.

Meeple, I also have Vivi's Burst, Palom's Super, Strago's Morning Star, and Desch's Sword  :) Also now two relics for Kuja from current FF9 banner. Oh right I also have Papalymo's does ice magic thing, can't remember if that's a super or just a regular soul break though.

Sure, I could change my Roaming Warrior. Changed to Vanille's Burst for now while I get things organised~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 19, 2017, 10:01:20 PM
Alphinaud can't use Wrath (no Support 4), so he struggles more with gaining gauge at least until he gets his BSB in place. Afterwards, Wind Blade spam makes up for it due to its instacast-granting properties.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on January 19, 2017, 11:35:07 PM
Ah ok, cool thanks. So I levelled up Yshtola, Alphinaud, and Papa to L50 so far. Onion Knight is already at L99. Is there a FFVI event coming up soon that hands out Terra (I don't have her for some reason though I thought I did) or should I just grab her from the Hall of Rites. Also I'm thinking of using the Memory Crystal IIIs I have so far on Terra and Cloud.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 23, 2017, 12:11:52 AM
Grab her from the Hall of Rites, Souls of a Hero are handed out like candy. And you have two big-name Terra SBs, you should -definitely- use one of your MCIIIs on her. Cloud, as you have his OSB, is also a solid candidate and his RM4 is very good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 23, 2017, 11:41:28 AM
Beat the Ultimates and MP battles on FFX event. Ultima Weapon is quite possibly easier than the Black Waltzes were - weakness to -Holy- alongside being a completely straight slugger? I just brought Hope and Vanille with their BSBs and went to town. Woohoo, 36k damage Purificators with only Faith+Deployment Tactics (well, and Burst's stat boosts, they matter for mages). Ridiculously, I was the top offensive unit in the group, since everybody else was either utility, physical or derp (BSB SQUALL AGAINST A BOSS WHOSE BIG SCHTICK IS HAVING TEN BILLION ELEMENTAL RESISTANCES OH YES SPAM THOSE COMMANDS THAT DEAL 10% OF HOPE'S PURIFICATOR IN DAMAGE. At least Paladin Force still has worth when hitting weakness). Oh well, no big deal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 24, 2017, 10:02:13 PM
Ultima Weapon is the first Apocalypse MP boss that I beat solo. LOL holy weakness. The U+ CM is a pain in the ass, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 24, 2017, 11:06:34 PM
Sanctuary Keeper is back to the good ol' days of being a dick. Having a magic blink helps a lot, but that also involves using KIMAHRI if you're doing it CM-style.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on January 24, 2017, 11:33:11 PM
Speaking of, CM team for Sanctuary Keeper

Kimahri (MBlink SSB) Indoorspell/whatever
Tidus (Burst) Chaincharge
Paine (Banishing Strike Bot)
Wakka (Burst) commands irrelevant
Yuna (double healer RM bot)

Shout RW

MBlink wrecks him pretty hard unless status proc gets you on the physical... and even with all that shit I had to do like 3 resets on this setup.  The dickery is strong.  Granted I DID master it so that was a thing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 25, 2017, 01:12:37 AM
Summon nightmare banner = Rinoa OSB. I can finally stop bitching about my FF8 relic luck.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on January 25, 2017, 01:16:44 AM
Summon banner gave me Yuna's HP Stock Medica, Terra's BSB, and Hope's OSB to go with his SSB and BSB. Yeesh, RNG really wants me to use Hope on mage teams.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 25, 2017, 02:16:21 AM
Did an 11 pull on the Summoner Lucky Draw, got 3 Rainbows.

-Yuna's Garb.  My first En-Holy Armor, that's cool, but I don't recall Yuna's BSB2 being that interesting. *looks at what it actually does* Cura-level Medica w/ Mag/Mind Boost, Cure-Medica on Command, Summon mode lets her add to DPS while doing that.  Ok, I take back everything I said; I lacked a Healer Burst (Garnet's doesn't count) and this is exactly that, and even compliments Mage Meta really damn well.  Relm, you had a good run, but yeah, Yuna's just better now, and goes back to being my Main Healer.  Granted, I lose Heavy Regen from Medica, but she does have Hymn of the Fayth still if I feel I really need it so...

-Seymour's Robe.  Ok, that's another En-Dark equip, only THIS ONE characters can actually make use of the stat boosts of besides Terra, Golbez and Ex-death, and Terra only barely makes use of it given she relies on Drainga, Darkra, and Ultima Weapon for Darkness damage.

-Braska's Staff.  Ok, that's his SSB1, he's a good character at least, but not something to be excited over.


...you know, I've always playfully jabbed at FF10 for having 3 5* Summoners and all that...I never expected to get a relic for ALL 3 OF THEM ON A SINGLE PULL, and nothing else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 25, 2017, 11:13:36 PM
Beat Valigarmanda.  Took only 2 tries, the first of which was attempting Ninja magic because 1 Stamina, and that failed, so went in with Tyro using actual Summons and won.

I actually didn't get the Yellow Glutturn condition, due to not having Leviathan, but I full medal'd everything else, so I can't say I really care.  Didn't even use Elemental Resistance, just nuked the heck out of it, and Yuna's BSB2 really is quite fantastic here.  Didn't spawn a single Glutturn the entire fight even, so I figured the whole fight was just a DPS + Hone check.  Heck, didn't even need to bring Alphinaud who would have been really good with his BSB as well.  Garnet was brought, though her BSB was basically used for the Opener and little else so couldn't really take full advantage of that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 26, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
Valigarmanda down as well. The gimmick is actually completely ignorable if you have good enough 4* Summon hones and the mitigation and buffing essentials (Wall/a 30% buff/Shellga/Hastega), even better if you have stackable MAG buffs. You'll lose the medals, but it's easy as heck to blitz down Vali and magic damage just goes nuts with buff stacking. I was hitting 8.5k per -hit- on IFRIT with Terra running two fire-boosting equips, that tells you all you need to know.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on January 27, 2017, 02:45:06 PM
Tritoch down as well.

Summon spam, a little healing, and alph's super which made him reflect damage back at him...

Oh and I am the proud owner of the Thunder God's sword.

Weeeee
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on January 27, 2017, 09:21:26 PM
Finally got around to doing the Torment dungeons.  A little sad that I think I have to give up on the d200's CM, but as I said in chat...

[14:48] <MagicFanatic> Well, upside is that I went back and remastered the d250.  Downside is that I think I have to give up on the d200 CM - Yuna SSB2, Braska SSB1, and Wakka SB2 are kinda not enough to deal with the CM, no matter what party I'm using.

Said "remastered" there because the first time I went through the d250, I forgot to hit Geosganeo with Water.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 11, 2017, 03:20:07 PM
I still had the FF8 and FF10 mote dungeons left undone, so I knocked those out this morning. I know power creep is an ongoing thing but it's still weird to see that Ifrit's once-legendary defenses are less impressive than the D200 Rubicante I fought yesterday.

Oh, also, lucky draw. 1/11, Reno's Shinra Bombshell. Not what I was hoping for, but it'll have a niche.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 12, 2017, 04:44:57 PM
My FF7 Synergy is at a point where unless I get like Aerith's BSB, I don't think I really have much to gain from it.

Or I might as well show most of what I have...

-All of Cloud's SSB+ Soul Breaks (...and I wasn't trying for ANY of them), including a Reforged Fusion Sword; this means he only ever really uses his OSB of course, but it also means he has +30 Attack
-Cid's Shout Clone
-Zack's MT Dismissal Soul Break
-Aerith's SSB (...ok, Reraise sucks but it's still a native Medica)
-Yuffie's Clear Tranquil
-Tifa's BSB (also her SSB, which again, mostly notable for the extra +10 Attack)

That's leaving out redundant things like I have Planet Protector, but who cares when Cid's SSB is just better.


There are things that could help sure but so many dupes, it's a rare case where I think I'm better off just not pulling on a half-price Lucky Draw.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 12, 2017, 08:41:52 PM
I did the Lucky Draw and got Vincent's Shortbarrel and Cloud's Organics. Honestly not -terrible-, since my FF7 synergy is really lopsided towards mage sticks and I badly needed a third sword. Also a dupeless pull. The Torment CM was mostly carried by Aerith's BSB and Cait Sith stacking debuffs with both his SBs. Toy Soldier has an argument for being one of my most long-lasting SBs for overall usefulness. Offensively, Luneth's BSB and Cid's Shout clone carried me as well. I'm quite satisfied with that run. Suspect Gordon and Minwu will pull me through in a similar fashion against the Gigases.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 13, 2017, 11:07:13 PM
This basically sums up my Ultimate++ run:

https://imgur.com/gallery/Zsuxp


Also beat the MP fights.  Apocalypse one is a whore because he loves to hurl Earthquake right when all mitigation is down yielding 4-7k damage to all.  Also some players really don't read things at all.  I know Dr. Mog is unreliable but a statement in BRIGHT RED like "HE ABSORBS FIRE, WIND, EARTH AND WATER!" should at least be paid attention too...

...then a Bartz player decides to use his OSB on him, and ragequits when it's fully absorbed.  Quad-elemental is not always safe, guys.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 15, 2017, 02:28:25 AM
Dungeon Update Lucky Draw! Returns were Edea's Sorceress Gown, Selphie's Crescent Wish (yeah, dupe, but now I have a competent mixed rod for FF8) and Ashe's Defiance. I know who's getting my next MC3, at least, I wanted her Burst since release.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 15, 2017, 04:03:31 AM
Seifer's Almasy Revolver,  Zell's Crystal Glove and Gabranth's Chaos Blade. Nothing but CM fodder, but it's pretty decent CM fodder.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on February 15, 2017, 11:10:12 AM
I got Penelo SSB.. and freaking Vaan Burst. That's a huge win.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 15, 2017, 10:04:52 PM
I got Rinoa's BSB.  Good that my Rinoa can be more competent now, bad because it's probably the weakest Mage BSB in the game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 15, 2017, 10:45:08 PM
Squall OSB, Zell Burst, dupe Edea SSB.  Quite a good draw, with something like the #2 and #4 or so overall relics on the banner (off the cuff I'd say Vaan burst is #1 and Ashe burst is #3, although she might be better overall than Zell).  But I also have Laguna's Freezing Barrage and Rinoa's Burst, so suddenly I have a semi-functional ice team for FFVIII CMs...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 16, 2017, 12:40:00 AM
Vaan's OSB and Irvine's SSB1.

I guess that'll do.  Even if one of the worst OSBs, it's still an OSB and I lack his BSB, so still worthwhile there, and it is a 6* Dagger so anyone can use it.  Irvine's SSB is +10 Attack for him and gives him an actual Soul Break now, which is notable since he is basically a requirement for FF8 Cid Missions being the Support 5.  Would have preferred his Hyper Break one granted.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 16, 2017, 05:15:28 PM
Done with FF1 CM at last. Ran an utterly loaded TG Cid RW to skip Marilith and Kraken and run a high-speed run against Tiamat. Got it first try after struggling a lot running Cid Raines and OK. Sometimes, you just deal with things by blowing them up. I'm pretty glad I did it without pulling on FF1, though. Keeping up that immaculate CM record is nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 17, 2017, 01:52:55 AM
I'll probably try the FF1 Cid Mission once I finish the current events new stuff...

That said, I did my rituatlistic sacrifices for the pulls and got another 4* on a 100 Gem Pull, and 1/11 on the actual pull.  Kind of annoyed because the 4* is getting ridiculous how many I've gotten in the past like 20 banners, and only 1 5* feels dickish and trollish and I'm seriously kind of ann-

(http://i.imgur.com/17zMXo2l.png)

...oyed by the fact that it gave me the one relic I really wanted on this banner.  HUZZAH!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 20, 2017, 01:12:07 AM
1/11 on the second banner, got a Red Scorpion. I was really hoping for something offensive, but it'll do.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 20, 2017, 08:26:28 PM
I pulled again after reading ahead and realizing this is the best mage banner we're going to get for a while. Got Exeter (Hyper Break, woo!) and Edea's Valkyrie. That's more like it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 22, 2017, 01:32:11 AM
Got another Sorceress' Crown form my 100 Gem Pull, so now I have a reforged variant.  After the number of 4*s I got from 100 gem Pulls, the game found a new way to troll me.

Also got rekt on both nightmare banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on February 22, 2017, 01:52:51 AM
The banners seem interesting...

Dunno if I want to pull on them though...

Isn't the anniversary right around the corner? I wish we had an idea of what was going to show up there.

Oh and I got fuujin's bsb and super items.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 22, 2017, 06:02:33 AM
Just beat the Final Nightmare.  Team was...not the best set up on skills, but I think I chose the right characters for my purposes.

Cloud: Darkmoon (was useless), Lifesiphon, Truthseeker RM
Cloud has all his SSB+s to date, so a +30 Cloud, and with Finishing Touch, his use was obvious.  Was MVP on shear fact of taking out most of the last phase by himself.

Tyro: Lifesiphon, Dragoon Jump, Pride of the Red Wings RM
Tyro as usual is useful in all Nightmares since Nightmare synergy means his crap stats are offset, and the flexibility is incredible.  Add in his BSB for Magic Blink, and Sentinel Grimoire mitigates at least some of Phase 3's damage, and there you go.

Yuna: Healing stuff, who cares.
I have her BSB and realized I'll need on-command Medicas as well as Soul Break ones in a pinch, I can lose some DPS, so here we are.

Zack: Powerchain, Full Charge, Rebel's Might.
He's my best Chain Charger, I want to say, between having Air Strike and Rush Assault, so went with him.  Chaincharging is really useful here, so glad I was able to fit one in.

Leon: Pound, Bladeblitz (ended up useless), Dr. Mog's Teachings RM.
I didn't want to use my Shout RWs immediately because of Vengeance so Hand of the Emperor proved a valid stand-in for Phase 1, and his BSB, despite being resisted, still did good damage.

I didn't really have much of a strategy beyond Cloud focusing heavily on building gauge such that he would fire off FInishing touch near the end of Phase 2, such that with 2 shots and the rest of the party, I should be able to out DPS the final phase.  Won with just Cloud and Tyro alive, but I full Medal'd on turns, so all was well.


Glad those 12 are done with.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on February 22, 2017, 09:19:55 PM
Nightmare Select 100 gem tossed Zack's Apocalypse at me.  Neat.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Reiska on February 22, 2017, 10:31:26 PM
The banners seem interesting...

Dunno if I want to pull on them though...

Isn't the anniversary right around the corner? I wish we had an idea of what was going to show up there.

Oh and I got fuujin's bsb and super items.

Nightmare Select is a terrible banner full of really outdated garbage and should feel bad. :|
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 23, 2017, 04:57:17 PM
Nightmare Select is only worth it if you REALLY want a specific relic on that banner and even then it's questionable.  I did 100 Gem pull because why not? Sadly gave nothing.


Beat the FF8 Cid Mission.  Wasn't actually that hard once you get how the fight works, namely both get way stronger the instance one dies, so you really want to chip them down together.    Was struggling at first thanks to their magic, but then subbed Laguna out for Fujin, egged her up a bit, and thus I could run Shellga and Protectga at the same time while still having an RW for Onion Knight BSB (which Edea spammed.)  Otherwise, Seifer uses Gaia's Cross to draw all the Counter Lariats to him (That + Protect + a Synergy Heavy Armor = he takes 800~ per Lariat), Selphie heals, Fujin uses Gust because I have a +40% Wind on equipment for her and it's MT, Edea covers the Hastega stuff (both the RW and Inaugural Parade, the latter mostly there to offset Slowga), and Irvine Breaks.  Won with a single Medal Lost due to Seifer and Selphie dying late in the fight, but by then it was feasible to YOLO so I did.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 23, 2017, 05:20:21 PM
That U+ CM is the first and only time I've cast Rinoa's OSB in any meaningful fight, but it dealt 99,999 damage and set things up for a near-simultaneous kill so I'm happy about that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on February 27, 2017, 01:58:54 AM
Oh god the status spam from Demon Wall was insane. Looks like I really need to figure out if Necrophobe is beatable with my current gear.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 27, 2017, 01:52:43 PM
What are your support SBs? Just about any AoE ATK+MAG debuff deals very well with Nightmare Necrophobe.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 02, 2017, 05:10:56 AM
Mote Ifrit CM down, with mastery to boot despite three KOs. Never considered it a priority, but Edea's burst is just that good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 02, 2017, 10:01:23 AM
Alas, poor Ifrit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 02, 2017, 01:46:33 PM
Man, this FF12 U+ CM was awful.  I mean, I did it, but still.  It was almost Release Day Fragment Ifrit all over again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 02, 2017, 02:37:08 PM
My problem with the fight in the end wasn't even the status, but their offense just gets nuts as their HP dwindles. Crazy touch-and-go battle if you don't carefully disable the Mandragoras (and statusing them has its own problems). THAT SAID, having both SSB and BSB for Ashe, Fran's AoE ATK+MAG debuff and Gabranth's SSB, I just went Leeroy Jenkins on them, my AoE was good enough to blitz them down. Mastered with only Ashe and Gabranth himself standing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 02, 2017, 09:37:28 PM
Yeah, I finished that fight with only Ashe standing against a blinded Topstalk after he screamed at Basch and Balthier for 9K damage each.

Then Ashe goes and manages to evade for seven turns for the kill with her BSB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 02, 2017, 10:58:37 PM
Beat the Cid Mission for FF3 finally.  Don't remember exact set up but my strategy was essentially:

Ingus: Mostly just damage.  He has his SSB, so that's mostly why I used him specifically.  Also stuff like Saint's Cross is good and all that.
Arc: Heals.  A big thing is he has his SSB AND his +Res Medica.  The latter proved more useful since that extra +50% Res was vital.
Desch: Blinding Ahriman is a big boon, and otherwise DPS'd with the Onion Knight RW; he also has his En-Thunder SB, so between turns he might fire that off and use Chain Thundaga
Onion Knight: Is level 98 (yeah, I should just get him to 99 for the RM at this point) and dived to have Support 5 so you can probably figure out what his role was!
Refia: I have her BSB so she basically just existed to punch him a lot...with fire...

Wasn't too bad but not trivial.  Now what was awful was the Cid Mission.  I tried multiple Raines RW methods, those failed, then saw on Reddit this one guy has a ridiculous Edgar twinked for the Cid Mission so went with that.  After multiple attempts I finally got it.

My strategy was...
Vaan opens with his SSB; it's MT, power breakdown effect, and boosts Vaan's damage.  Vaan then uses Blazeblitz since I really want to take down all 5 at the same time.
Ashe spams Bahamut and then Alexander; her damage is absolutely key above all else, you'll see why!
Penelo does Multibreak and then Ultracures.  I probably should have given her the Armor Breakdown or Mental Breakdown dances to raise my damage, but meh, I so rarely use those, I am not into wasting resources just for that.  Alternatively, could have given her Faith for Ashe, so Ashe's damage is better allowing for more flexibility.  I realize this after I already started the fight and had several failed attempts and didn't want to lose the RW for the day.
Larsa Heals and casts Protectga.  Thank god FF12 is one of the few realms with a 2nd character who can pull off White Mage.
Basch exists as the tank.  He's built defensively, in back row, using Gaia's Cross, because I just need him to last long enough between RWs.

So basically...here's everything that COULD go wrong and screw me over:
-Any sort of major status that screws with me on someone other than Larsa and Penelo (or Vaan late in the fight.)  Shouldn't have to explain why this is bad.  TWICE I lost because near the end, they got a successful sleep on Basch right before the RW fired.
-Protect getting cast on anything.  Oops, that's one Mandragora that's surviving the 2nd the attack and he's just going to murder Basch now.
-Shell getting cast on anything.  Same deal, since now Ashe's damage is mitigated too much.
-early Shout spam and such.  Don't have to explain this.

Probably others but the fight is so dumb and stupid and I don't even remember it from FF12 and IT ONLY WORKED IN FF12 IF SO BECAUSE FF12 IS STRUCTURED IN A WAY TO SUPPORT THIS STYLE OF FIGHT.  Hell, FF14 had this fight in the Hildibrand one and it was REALLY STUPID there and that's closer to FF12 style.  DeNA, stop using these guys; no one likes them, it's an example of everything wrong with RK's poorly designed fights, and they're not even memorable despite what you think.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 03, 2017, 05:15:32 PM
18 or so months into the game, I finally pulled on an FF7 event banner.

100 gem: Sephiroth's Glove
2/11: Double Prism Rods.

Not gonna lie, I would really have liked Ultima Blade or the USB, but this'll do. I've got Yuffie's medica so Aerith will be perfectly fine with Fury Brand in Cid missions (plus I have no FF7 boostga, so crit boost can do that job), and that glove is +dark which means Cid Raines will get a lot of mileage out of it. It'll help the FFXII CM, too, because I've got Gabranth's AOE dark SSB!

Speaking of which, ouch. Best I've done is to kill all but two Mandragoras going with a traditional tank-and-spank approach -- Gabranth draws fire and saves up for Fulminating Oblivion spam, Vaan blinds the blind-able enemy and saves up for Pyroclasm spam, Basch dispels everybody, Larsa heals, Penelo dances and Ultra Cures. If I can't get the stars to align on that by tomorrow, I'll either go for a more gimmicky RW solution or train up Balthier for status spam.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 03, 2017, 06:35:08 PM
Decisions decisions...

150 mithril. I could use some me we gear in FF7. The banner
has no dupes.

But the celebration is close.

Hmmm
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 04, 2017, 03:44:25 AM
Cid Mission down! What put me over the edge was to dive Basch's knight sphere, of all things. He was the only attacker not spamming AoE damage in the DPS race phase of the fight, and Aegis Strike just so happens to be AoE. I RWed a wall to max out his defense, hasted the team one by one with the single target spell and RMs, and won on the first try. Hooray!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 07, 2017, 03:26:47 AM
Finished the FF7 event in entirety, including Multiplayer and Cid Mission.

Kind of a joke compared to the FF12 one.  Thinking on it, my FF7 Synergy isn't that much better than my FF12 one, at least the angle I took (I didn't use Cid's Shout Clone I had, forgetting I had it when fighting Rufus, and didn't use Planet Protector since Aerith was too busy Medicaing), but really, the fights themselves were a lot easier.

Rufus is really just a lot of damage with some dispel involved on both ends, so he can remove your haste, and you're encouraged to remove his (Read: Bring Angeal, he helps a lot!)  Dark Nation is more a nuisance that you want killed quickly, and neither of them are particularly durable.  I'm not sure I really needed Yuffie using Dances but they didn't hurt.  There's no real tricks, just conventional fight where the numbers are high enough to be threatening, the haste manipulation aside.

It contrasts the Mandragoras which...well...we all know how that was.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 07, 2017, 04:48:30 PM
Raid Sephiroth was so incredibly vanilla I didn't even bother searching for a MP team to handle. Very little to say, really. Ultima Weapon being a DPS race was sorta cute, but that couldn't even stand up to Alphinaud's BSB taking the bulk of the DPS duties (ran Alph/Celes/Krile/Cait Sith/Vanille for the fight). Wind Blade off typical synergy + 8* Cid's Goggles makes for utterly nuts offense.

EDIT: Ashe, Faris and Minwu all gotten to L99. I thought I'd be able to breathe, but then the game released Eiko's MC3 and I want her at 5k+ HP given I have her Burst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 08, 2017, 01:32:53 PM
Torment Gigases were somewhere between "ouch" and "... wait, this actually isn't that bad". Setups:

Part I

Y'shtola (L99, Curaja R5/Wrath R4 - Dr. Mog's Teachings)
Quistis (L99, Mental Breakdown R4/Wrath R4 - Ace Striker)
Palom (L80, Ruinga R4/Chain Blizzaga R3 - Battleforged)
Cait Sith (L80, Heathen Frolic Sarabande R4/Multibreak R3 - Knight's Charge)
Papalymo (L99, Meteor R3/Chain Firaga R3 - Mako Might)

RW: Metamorphose

Full-kit Wrath'shtola is stupid good for Torments: SSII, Asylum and Aetherial Pulse cover so much mitigation I can't even fathom running another healer. Freeing up the Wall slot? Freeing up two slots otherwise grafted to Shellga and Protectga? AoE Curaga + Stoneskin effect alongside Medica and instant Curaja commands? Off -that- SB-gauge building setup? Sign me up please. She's like a swiss-army survival kit. Palom and Cait Sith cover AoE stackable debuffing (Palom also does double duty on crowd control alongside Potato, since this Torment's mobs like coming up in large numbers and those damned grenade bombs LOVE their MT physicals), Papalymo covers Hastega and buffing while being another crowd control monkey and Quistis does the bulk of the trash handling once her gauge picks up. The big problem in this dungeon is that you NEED to have all your mitigation (Wall+Shellga+Protectga) up BEFORE the Gigases show up, because the Thunder Gigas always opens with Thunderbolt, which scores 3k+ AoE damage THROUGH SHELLGA AND ELEM RESISTS, and they all start with fixed ATB. You will -never- put up SSII or SG before their turn unless you Powerchain into it beforehand (so, setup is necessary no matter what). A pre-emptive magic blink also helps, since the other two Gigases also always open with a Boulder. This said, the fight is very patterned, with zero RNG outside of who the Gigases target (they always use their magic on set turns), so if you can manage the bases, you're very much set. Deal with the Gigases one at a time, prioritize Thunder Gigas first (highest damage, lowest HP), leave Ice Gigas and his obnoxious perfect Blizzara counters for last. Quistis was clutch for downing Thunder Gigas quickly, too. EDIT: Nevermind, scored CM first try.

Setup!

Cid Mission

Minwu (L99, Ultra Cure R4/Protectga R3, Dr. Mog's Teachings)
Leon (L80, Full Charge R4/Lifesiphon R4, Lionheart)
Gordon (L80, Curaja R5/Full Break R3, Battleforged)
Leila (L80, Lifesiphon R4/Powerchain R3, Mako Might)
Josef (L80, Meteor Crush R3/Magic Breakdown R4, Ace Striker)

RW: SSII

I dove all of them for some stats off those cheap 3* motes and it wasn't a half-bad idea. In the end, everybody in my party had over 6000 HP (Minwu was the funniest, since I dropped him a Cat's Bell, propping him up to 7.1k HP, the highest in the party!). This said, the crux of the setup was really Minwu master race: the Burst kicks ass for handling the trash and the SSB is a hell of a panic button even now. In the same vein, instant Curaja from the Burst commands also rules. I thought I'd never use Josef's AoE boostga, but it was pretty great here, I used it to stack with HotE for great results against the Gigases and I had complete overkill SB for spamming my stuff (necessary, considering how hone-intensive Torment is). I ran out of SG juice by the time the Ice Gigas was alone, but, at that point, I was in no risk of losing even though I triggered a triple counter from him from Spell Sap XIV. Whoops, not triggering that bug again. Instant AoE Curaga to the rescue, though. No mastery under this setup, but that's what my first run was for.

Part II

Y'shtola (L99, Curaja R5/Wrath R4 - Dr. Mog's Teachings)
Quistis (L99, Protectga R3/Wrath R4 - Ace Striker)
Alphinaud (L99, Shellga R3/Valigarmanda R1 - Battleforged)
Cait Sith (L80, Heathen Frolic Sarabande R4/Multibreak R3 - Knight's Charge)
Celes (L99, Gaia's Cross R3/Saint Cross R3 - Mako Might)

RW: Ley Lines

More of the same, only with 100% more Valigarmanda+Alph BSB shenanigans being gloriously stupid against AoE fights. Seriously, a single Valigarmanda under the relevant boosts shaves off 80k~ HP from the fight total and Alph's summons also bypass Ice Gigas' counters. Celes was mostly nice for mitigating some of the trash mobs' offense. They ended up being -easier- than Part I mostly because Valigarmanda is so absurdly good when you can spam it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 14, 2017, 08:10:02 PM
Everything but Cid Mission completed.  I'm actually half tempted to draw on Banner 1 this event, since my FF13 synergy is starting to look a bit shaky.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 15, 2017, 02:31:19 AM
Pulled the lever for the new Realm LD.

Freya's BSB, Steiner's BSB, and Mustadio's Superbreak SSB.

Not the best outcome, but still decent?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 15, 2017, 04:38:39 AM
2/11, Luneth's SSB dagger and Agrias' new shield. Both characters I have bursts for so I pretty much just got stat boosts, but an FF3 weapon is nice to have and Agrias could get mileage out of en-holy at some point. Plus I have all her moves again, so that's neat.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 15, 2017, 01:45:10 PM
1/11 Venetian Shield. Not -great-, but it's another synergy armor for FFT, another Agrias SB (I only had Cleansing Strike for her) and another option for a holy team. I'll take it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 15, 2017, 08:10:55 PM
Everytime FF9 is involved in a Lucky Draw, I tend to not do well.  I pretty much always go 1/11, and get a relic from FF9, and this time was no exception.

Though to be fair, this time I at least got a decent relic in Beatrix's BSB, so I can't complain too much, but it's just bizarre how it's basically happened every single time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 15, 2017, 09:06:30 PM
2/11!  ... dupe Zidane SSB (which I don't even have the previous copy of because I have his BSB) and third copy of Arc's Mblink/MRegen/Shellga SSB.  Yar.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 23, 2017, 02:27:45 PM
Fest banners finally leaked! ... wow, I'm so underwhelmed. The -only- banner where my odds don't completely suck is 1 - only two dupes and I want all the other relics to a reasonable degree (Red Jacket would plug the big hole I have for taking on Nemesis - different realm sources of Radiant Shield and Last Stand, namely, and it's an awesome SB in a vaccuum regardless, Rune-graven Bow is one of the godlike mage enbursts, Abel's Lance is a good Enburst too and I lack Bursts for FF4 period, Orichalcum Dirk is still ridiculous after all these years and Sephiroth's Glove is pretty solid as well, would also go well with his OSB if I land it, Tyro's USB would kick ass and Onion OSB is an OSB. I have no use for another High Summoner's Robe, but at least White Mage Robe props up my FF3 synergy). Everything else runs 4+ dupes and fuck that noise... well, no. Banner 2 has three dupes and I badly want EVERYTHING ELSE, so I might slot a pull there. I have four pulls slotted in for the fest overall, but I'm not sure even banner 1 warrants 200 mythril, though I may parcel it between 1 and 2. Everything else = bust. Oh well, I'll see how the pulls go. First two Lucky Draws gave me four different dupes and I'm not really that excited for the last Lucky Draw given the history at this point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 23, 2017, 06:40:17 PM
Two 1/11's on lucky draws so far -- Rosa's Artemis Bow for medica and Braska's en-fire staff for elements. Artemis Bow fills a need, Braska's staff is....well, it's something for FFX that does damage, at least.

Celebration-wise, I'm going to be throwing mythril at banners 1 and 4. Only one dupe on 1 and it's Seph's glove, which is +dark armor anyone can use, so I won't cry about a second. 4 has two dupes but the rest of the stuff is super awesome. I really wish I didn't have three of the things on banner 3 already because that's where Refia's burst is and I really want that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 23, 2017, 07:31:08 PM
It's a celebration!

The lucky draws are here.

I was too tempted on the ff6 banner for Setzer's burst, so I had to pull.

Got locke, setzer, and sabin's ssb. Not what I wanted, but eh...none were dupes at least.

That left me 200 mithril for the upcoming banners and lucky draws.

Ld1 gave me aeris burst. Underwhelming damage, but it heals, so yay?

Ld2 got me shadow burst dipe, Vayne burst and braskas fire ssb. Not terrible? I guess Vayne is usable moe? Not sure.

And...Oh yeah pulling twice on banner 1. c'mon Kain bsb!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 23, 2017, 08:58:16 PM

Celebration-wise, I'm going to be throwing mythril at banners 1 and 4. Only one dupe on 1 and it's Seph's glove, which is +dark armor anyone can use, so I won't cry about a second. 4 has two dupes but the rest of the stuff is super awesome.

Banner 4 is indeed super stacked. I'm not pulling because I've got nearly half the banner, including two of the top prizes (Hamelin and Veil of Wiyu), but the overall synergy is amazing and they're all strong relics for high-profile PCs. I'm still debating on whether I pull on banner 2 or banner 3... or none at all (I want Metamorphosis Claw, Rainbow Brush and Zeromus Mace real bad, but the rest of the stuff that isn't a dupe I can take or leave and the dupes are just god no. Banner 2... the dupes would suck less and I want -everything- that isn't a dupe, but still 4/10 duplicates makes for a risky business. I guess it depends on how I fare on tomorrow's LD and Phase 1). Banner 5 is just kind of junky aside from Eiko's absurd USB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on March 23, 2017, 09:50:43 PM
(https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder198/50205198.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 24, 2017, 10:32:34 AM
Speaking of hi greftar, on the Burst Lucky Draw, DeNa gave to me Maria's Rune-Graven Bow, Emperor's Demon Rod and Ramza's Iga Blade. Now THIS is an exciting pull. It -does- make banner 1 less enticing, unfortunately, but it's still my best bet for getting stuffs.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 24, 2017, 12:21:36 PM
I grabbed Lulu's and Eiko's bursts. Banner 4 just lost a bit of its luster, but I finally got Prayer of the Lost! And with Lulu's burst and Braska's en-fire I have the makings of an actual FFX team (also, + ice armor for Edea).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 24, 2017, 12:45:19 PM
Total: 9/33

2x Rosa Burst (previously had her SSB)
2x Arc SSB (previously had his other SSB)
Cecil Burst
Yuffie Burst
Refia Burst (Dupe)
Serah Burst
Steiner Burst (previously had his SSB- one man fire team go)

I'm thinking I should just not even pull on the fest banners at this point considering the luck drainage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 24, 2017, 01:32:13 PM
Confound this game!

So...burst lucky draw.

Freya and Warrior of Light's burst. No dupe, so I can't complain.

Except I will!

This now gives me: Cid Highwind, Freya, Fang, and Lunneth's burst spears.

That's a lovelylist of Dragoon weapons right there...

Notice anyone missing!

*cries*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 24, 2017, 03:19:53 PM
Quote from: DeNa
'Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I.

EDIT: Just levellin' folks. Cap-broke Maria with the spare MC3 lode from FF2 event, currently grinding XP for the tasty new Bursts I've got. When I cap-break Mateus, I might try running him and Alphinaud with Zidane for some Enwind + Wind-Imperil mixed action now that we have the updated imperil mechanics, that sounds like a lot of damage waiting to happen. An alternative would be Faris and I could even run -both-, but then my buff stacking capabilities suffer a little. THAT ASIDE, I started Record Diving Maria as well. Meteor XVI is pretty sexy.

Iga Blade... well, there's a FFT Nightmare coming and I could use something to make Ramza more offensively flexible. Shout/breakdown bot is highly functional but pretty unexciting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on March 24, 2017, 04:23:06 PM
Congrats on your pulls everyone!

Stardust Rod and ... Tiny Bee. Yeah. Not even mad. FFXIII gave me Vanille's USSB and I now have all of Cid Raines relics as well (Burst, and two supers)~

Yeah though last Burst lucky gave me Squall's Twin Lance and nothing else, these things hate me.

By the way I decided to do the record dive thingy with Vanille. Not quite sure I really get it, once I complete it all, will she be able to use Dancer skills and stuff?

I was hoping Burst lucky would give me something so I wouldn't really have to think about celebration banners but I guess I'll take another look at those maybe~

Oh yeah Healer lucky did give me a shiny, Cloud Staff FFXII (Larsa)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 24, 2017, 05:15:33 PM
Quote from: CT
By the way I decided to do the record dive thingy with Vanille. Not quite sure I really get it, once I complete it all, will she be able to use Dancer skills and stuff?

She just gets stats, some healing boosts and minor silence resist from diving. I dove her 3* spheres because it's dirt cheap and 3* motes drop on us like candy, but 4* motes I generally reserve for people who do DAMAGE and/or get new skillset options from diving, like Alphinaud and Quistis.

EDIT: By the way, which Stardust Rod? Terra's or Minwu's? Hilariously, there are -two- bursts coming off Stardust Rods in RK.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 24, 2017, 05:50:25 PM
Today's pull got me...  1/11 Ninurta dupe (Hope BSB1).

So things I got from these three days:

Aeris BSB
Quistis BSB
Jecht BSB

Terra Fire Beam SSB

Healer Bow 6* -> 8*
Mage Throwing Weapon 6* -> 8*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 24, 2017, 06:17:50 PM
Going back and taking another look at the festival banners now that I have Eiko's burst, since it (a) removes one of the banner 4 grand prizes; and (b) gives me a new anchor for physical teams, especially those that focus on multi-hit abilities.

Ultros Selection: Shout is now a bigger deal if I'm going to run purely physical teams at any point, since the extra 20% boost compared to Onionburst is more significant with critga backing it. Not sure that's enough to make me spend mythril on this.

Banner 1: Still awesome. Kain's burst in particular is a bigger prize now, not so much because of the burst commands themselves but because of how critga can benefit Lightning Dive spam. Sephiroth is also more likely to see usage with that shiny 10-hit SSB.

Banner 2: No change. It's a magic-focused banner, and full of things that are more sidegrades than upgrades. Yuna's BSB2 and Exdeath's SSB are nice, but do I really need to stack five 30% faithgas? (Counterpoint: I could run a team that stacks five 30% faithgas!)

Banner 3: Somewhat better. Refia's burst is still a big prize, and Noel's instant SSB that adds two more instant actions seems like kind of a sleeper. Lots of dupes, though, and the OSBs are underwhelming.

Banner 4: Oddly, not that different. Eiko's burst is a dupe now, but Ramza's gauntlet that makes crits do double damage is much shinier with a 50% crit rate. The stoneskin effect would also help out if I'm switching Y'shtola's burst for Eiko's, and the two together makes Yda's burst that relies on not taking damage more usable.

Banner 5: Obviously Eiko's USB isn't a big deal now (though still situationally useful if I don't get any other source of Last Stand). Beyond that it's a mixed bag, especially since I've already got Luneth's burst. Big prizes would be Jecht's burst, Garland's ATK/DEF break, and Cid!Shout. Might consider it if I strike out on Ultros, maybe?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on March 25, 2017, 09:15:29 AM
So, Ultros Selection.

100-Gem: Cloud's Apocalypse.

Free 11-Pull: 3/11, all dupes - Aeris BSB, Shout, and Onion Slice.

Extra 11-Pull, because I want that Blood Sword: 4/11!...  Apocalypse, Aeris BSB, Shout, and Onion Slice.

One more 11-Pull, because I'm getting salty: 2/11...  Y'shtola BSB dupe, and Celes IB.

Giving up now, despite how much I want that Blood Sword.

EDIT: Decided to rage pull once more.  2/11...  Dupe Celes IB, and...  BLOOD SWORD!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 25, 2017, 10:31:22 AM
Got two Platinum Swords from my free pull. I'd like Indomitable Blade too, but somehow I'll learn to live with just - FINALLY - getting Shout.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 25, 2017, 12:44:24 PM
5/44 on the Lucky Draws + Ultros Banner.

Got Sarah's SSB, which is a medica and hastega for FF1, so that's something I don't have.
Shura Gloves (dupe) and Demon's Rod on the En-elemental banner.  +Dark Rod for a realm I don't have a lot of, and a decent BSB? Yeah, I'll take it.
Metamorphic Claw on the BSB Banner, huzzah!
And Platinum Sword on Ultros...which I have a reforged version of...yeah, not exactly thrilled about that one -_-

Debating if I should do an actual pull.  I have Terra's OSB, Cloud's OSB, Platinum Sword and ID already so...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 25, 2017, 02:01:35 PM
Ultros Banner free pull: Ragnarok and Cecilcalibur. No dupes, perfect coverage for FF7 and FF4 synergy holes and now I finally have a reason to break Cloud past L80 and get his RM4. Hell yes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 25, 2017, 03:18:32 PM
Yesterday: We get apology mythril just as a general apology for the game being especially buggy lately.
Today: X Records launches with all record synergy turned off.

Really turning the corner there, DeNa.

Edit: Holy crap, they even screwed up giving us a free ability. Instead of the 5* summon Bahamut we got the dummied-out tutorial spell "Bahamut" that can't be honed or shattered and only hits once (but instantly kills the Guard Scorpion!).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 25, 2017, 03:29:21 PM
Hot damn look at all that loot. That's an extra 100 mithril I was not counting on!

Free banner netted me Terra's osb, and the onion sword. Both new to me.

So, disregarding my shadow burst dupe, I've managed 7/44?

I'd like the onion bracers, but I don't think I'm going to pull on this one again. Was this the Ultra banner everyone was talking about?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 25, 2017, 03:32:16 PM
Yeah, in JP it was called the Ultros Selection (as opposed to Keeper's Selection or Dr. Mog's Selection).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 25, 2017, 04:09:35 PM
Yesterday: We get apology mythril just as a general apology for the game being especially buggy lately.
Today: X Records launches with all record synergy turned off.

Really turning the corner there, DeNa.

Edit: Holy crap, they even screwed up giving us a free ability. Instead of the 5* summon Bahamut we got the dummied-out tutorial spell "Bahamut" that can't be honed or shattered and only hits once (but instantly kills the Guard Scorpion!).

Thanks for the apology mythril in advance.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 25, 2017, 08:56:51 PM
The Free Ability screw up ranks high up there in the "massive **** ups" by DeNA alongside that time they randomly removed Terra and Ashe's access to Summon 5 for like 2-3 hours.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: hinode on March 26, 2017, 02:15:49 AM
Also the recent moment where they accidentally replaced the Halloween items with their JP versions (X synergy, blitzball instead of thrown for the pumpkin) which naturally ending up screwing over a bunch of people who had the pumpkin equipped on someone like Refia.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Captain K on March 26, 2017, 02:17:28 AM
I heard this game was having an anniversary so I downloaded it to draw things that other people wanted and piss them off.

Free draw on the player's choice banner:

(https://i.imgur.com/kD6baPE.png)

Okay that's not bad, but probably not piss off material.

One draw on the Keeper's Choice banner 1:

(https://i.imgur.com/QmcR55B.png)

Wtf why is that still a thing.  This game sucks.

Back to the Player's Choice banner:

(https://i.imgur.com/1wCozRa.png)

Oh yeah that looks like something someone will be jealous over.  My work is done, back to not playing this game.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 26, 2017, 02:50:11 AM
Well, two pulls on banner 1 net me -another- White Mage Robe and Abel's Lance. Sorry, Scar. Remaining mythril goes to a pull on banner 2 and one on banner 3. Picking up five new bursts and Cloud's OSB already made the anniversary fest worth it, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 26, 2017, 03:23:13 AM
New banner.  FIrst the 100 Gem Draw gets me Arc's SSB.  Well, can't complain about that; not what I wanted per se, but it is something I don't have and holy, more Holy Boosting Gear is nice, especially with the Raines' BSB I just got.

Anyway, Banner 1 looked neat so might as well do a 50 Mythril pull; my only dupe can be Kain's BSB which will suck because, jokes aside, I already have a reforged (or at least a 5++*) variant so it wouldn't really do me any good.  Main thing I want is Maria's BSB.

My results?

Me for the past few days: Man, Sephiroth has major issues.  He's like the only Darkness 5 character who can't use any sort of legitimate Magic weapons since he can't use Rods or Swords, has a pretty shakey moveset, and outright needs relics to be relevant.  What a waste of good stats!  I can't see myself using him, might as well breakdown all those Non-Dark Bargain Darkness abilities since I won't be using those!  I mean, my actual Darkness 5 physical characters like Leon have stuff like Knight 5 to fall back on anyway!


(http://i.imgur.com/VypFAuBl.png)


I brought myself despair...when I just realized I had shattered those darkness skills...

(to be clear, yeah, 2/11 was all I got)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 26, 2017, 07:21:27 AM
Chased hard.

Didn't succeed.

Yup. I'll see myself to sleep now.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 26, 2017, 04:37:53 PM
Pull 1: Edge SSB.
Pull 2: holy crap, 4/11 with two disco balls! Turned out to be double Arc SSBs and double OK OSBs.
Saltiness from seeing four shinies turn into only two moves got me to dip into my reserves for a third pull. 2/11: Orichalcum Dirk and Abel's Lance!
....sorry, Scar.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 26, 2017, 08:03:02 PM
Amusingly, I had that "ooh, 4!" moment turning out to be only 2 myself in a celebration.  I once got 2 Agrias Defenders, and 2 Edea Crowns that way.  Granted, the latter was what I wanted at the time, so I couldn't really complain.

...then there was that time I did a 50 pull on an FF6 banner and got 3 Cat-Ear Hoods...for the record, I now have at least had 5 of them, because I got another in a different pull, and when the first Healer Lucky Draw happened, game thought it'd be funny to hand me a 5th (that same draw also gave me Oerba's Boon, though, and seeing as all I wanted was a useful Soul Break I didn't have for Nightmare Altenna, I couldn't complain too much...still a troll moment.)


Tempted to do another draw on this banner, but I already have Kain's BSB, both Sephiroth relics, Arc's SSB, and don't really have much use for Braska's thanks to Leylines.   Would like Maria's Bow, but I could also draw on the FF2 Banner still in the next few hours...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 27, 2017, 01:07:40 PM
Done with bonus battles and raid in the current FF6 event. Dear lord, Phantom Train was a pain in the ass. Miserable offense, but the status is so annoying. I brought OK with Affliction Break and Terra for ultimate Scorching Flames spam, both with Confuse + Slow resist, and it was still obnoxious as shit. First, my OK was petrified (AND NONE OF THE HEALERS BROUGHT ULTRA CURE), then Terra got confused. The fight finally ended when Phantom Train hit Terra with Wheel, she broke out of confusion and I dropped a 99999 damage OSB on its head, rage-ending the fight. Funnily, the SB alone was responsible for about at least a third of the total damage dealt.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 28, 2017, 03:17:10 AM
Finished the entire event myself, including the Multiplayer stuff which I did solo, because I have Terra's...well...everything and Ashe's BSB.  Nuking him down isn't going to be very hard, especially when Papalymo adds a Raines RW in the mix.  There was lots of explosions and lightning bolts thrown.  Also, used a bunch of summons to get around countering.

Not to mention I did this...

(http://i.imgur.com/R14Kp2al.png)


Oh, did the 100 Gem Draw on the latest banner.  That won't give me anything go-...

(http://i.imgur.com/0QJfP2Bl.png)

...well that ends any real reason to even consider doing a real draw on this banner!

(yes, I should take a screenshot of the actual draw in the future, keep forgetting to do that)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 28, 2017, 03:23:51 AM
Banner 2! Up to two pulls reserved - one at least I'll save for banner 3.

Pull 1: Three 5*s! ... Crystal Glove, Holy Shield and Quistis' Dress. All dupes.
Pull 2: Two 5*s... Enuo's Scourge and Tactician Magician's Cuffs. That's more like it.

This is my sixth Burst from the Anniversary banners and it's one I wanted. Not the grand prize of Yuna's Summoner Garb, but that'll do nicely - also justifies the MC3 lode I spent on Shantotto. Exdeath's staff also gives me a long overdue stackable MAG buff that doesn't overlap with Potato's Leylines or OK's Vessel of Fate in any way, on a better character than Braska. MAG+RES is also a combination I previously lacked, so it plays nicely with Serah's Endless Blessing as well.

It'd be cool to stack together Vidofnir's Quick Cast 5 with Play Rough's fastcasting commands, but that ain't very practical off mage SB building. Oh well, fun theoreticals. Hopefully I'll get something good like Relm's or Raine's Bursts in my alloted phase 3 pull, but I'm pretty happy with my current spoils. Lots of fun toys and new - or new old - characters to play with.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on March 28, 2017, 08:42:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/BRuiCMP.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 28, 2017, 11:15:33 AM
hi greftar
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on March 28, 2017, 11:34:51 AM
I was just looking for a good Ivan Draygo one, but it was right there.   Also this is the only place I get to annoy you because FB actually sucks at who I want to add as friends.  I was waiting for it to suggest people because I am too lazy to search.  It ended up taking Djinn adding me to get him even though it got his adorable BF straight away.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 28, 2017, 12:27:22 PM
You're better off bugging me on Twitter if you want social network contact, I look at Facebook roughly once a trimester.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on March 28, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
You mean talk to you on FF5-4JF machine?

Edit - I kid, it is also great for comedy (https://twitter.com/paprbckparadise).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 28, 2017, 12:55:22 PM
I follow that feed, it's fucking great. Also, Twitter is the perfect social network for existential dread.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on March 28, 2017, 02:04:44 PM
Oh. So phase 1.

5 pulls...

2 sephy osb, 1 sephy glove

3 arc robes

1 braska robe

2 edge jackets

Yay.

*hangs self*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 28, 2017, 02:19:13 PM
Anyhow, slaving away at Nemesis Infinity. My current setup:

L99 Alphinaud (Shellga R4/Bahamut R4 - Lionheart)
L99 Eiko (Curaja R5/Protectga R3 - Knight's Charge)
L99 Faris (Full Break R3/Magic Breakdown R4 - Battleforged)
L99 Vanille (Haste R5/Ultra Cure R4 - Dr. Mog's Teachings)
L99 Loserface (Wrath R4/Exhausting Polka R4 - Mako Might)

RW: Edge's Eblan Doppleganger

This feels like my most viable setup for scraping a win against Nemesis, but it's tough: though I have both native Last Stand and Radiant Shield, them being Minfilia's and Alphinaud's means I can't bring both to this fight. I'm considering forgoing Exhausting Polka and slapping another Wrath on Loserface, since I need constant - CONSTANT - SG uptime, but I also try to juggle Keeper's Tome in the shuffle, which helps a lot when Nemesis starts spamming Ethereal Cannon. Offense is a bit of a problem, since Aerial Blast doesn't do all that well when not exploiting en-element shenanigans, but I don't think I have much of an alternative here. Most of the damage comes from Nemesis himself anyway. I got him below 20% health once and I consistently get him below half health, but I need to micromanage the buff timing a bit more closely to make it happen. Maybe a well-timed Keeper's Tome when he starts dropping Boundless Ethereal Cannons will buy me enough time. Sandbagging for XIII and IX synergy might help a bit too. Come to think of it, Eiko and Aerith would perform near-identically, since only Faris uses the crit boost but Aerith's durability sucks a bit less. I'll see what can I do. Y'shtola's not an option, I'd have to give up both native Radiant Shield and Last Stand for her.

EDIT: Apropos of nothing, I like how DeNa bothered to pick up Shantotto's US dub voice clip for Play Rough's laugh. It's actually eerier than JP's voice clip.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 28, 2017, 11:58:40 PM
Hopefully they do the same thing with Zack's CSB, just because Moonspeak doesn't work as well for the nostalgia as "You can do it Zack!" "YEAH I'M ON FIRE NOW!"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on March 29, 2017, 09:15:21 PM
Banner 1 trip report:

Tyro USB
Kain BSB (sorry Scar)

Tyro USB is a bit of a hodgepodge, but is overall pretty good using it a bit in multiplayer.  Curious how it shakes out in easier U++ tier fights.

Also threw some mythril at the FFVI banner and only got Sabin's medica SSB, although that was enough to do the CM so my FFVI isn't as dated as I feel like it is.  Shadow's SSB holds up way better than anything else from it's era (like, "probably the best raw damage SSB" holds up)

Since that was disappointing as hell, and I had like 70 mythril, also went for Banner 2.  Report...

Faris USB
Krile BSB
Quistis BSB
Minfilia SSB

Minfilia was already one of my most-used characters because The Echo is damn good, and more boostga options are good even if they don't stack with Shout.  I mean, I did just get a shiny new Hastega.  Quistis burst makes me happy, and Krile burst gives me an actual good offensive tool in FFV which I lacked previously.  Faris USB... looks a bit underpowered on paper, but my only point of comparison is Tyro's quirky thing.  And y'know, I mean underpowered by the standard of OSB/USB tier crap, so still good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 29, 2017, 10:41:31 PM
Faris' USB is "underpowered" since it's the first damage USB, so it's basically just an SSB with one more effect.  Case in point, most Hyper Break SSBs are just Hyper Break w/ Damage attached.  Faris' you'll notice is that + Stun.  Granted, it also has Leo's "variable damage based on number of enemies" factor to allow for viability on AoE and ST.

It's not exciting, no, especially when the EX Mode USBs start to kick in, but it's the usual scenario of early-gen tier soul breaks having something about them because they're working them out.

Happened with Stormborn (first En-Elemental, where they learned En-Elemental is a bad Soul Break effect on it's own), Pulse of Life/Flame's of Rebirth (first Medica SSBs, teaching them Reraise is not better than most of the standard Soul Break effects), and Tyro's OSB (attempt at making a utility OSB...it backfired horribly, and basically solidified immediately that OSBs exist for shear damage and should remain that way.  Oddities like Orlandu and Noctis aside, they've kept OSBs to just that, albeit taken a more creative route with variable damage allowing for flexibility on the multiplier...speaking of which, add Vaan and Gilgamesh to that list, since that was a good way to NOT do variable damage OSBs, and I believe they were the first two)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 30, 2017, 02:32:57 AM
I have too many dupes on banner 3 for it to be worth 50 mythril, but I figured I'd toss 100 gems at it in hopes of the Shura Gloves. No go, but I got Laguna's boostga gun -- which makes three 100 gem pulls in a row that produced a relic! Nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 30, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
Banner 3's alloted pull net me... a fucking Sirius. Welp, that's it for my shot at a smooth Nemesis clear. Back to the slaving mines, none of my alternative setups worked as well as my first one - right now, I'm gonna attempt a slight spin on the last party replacing Eiko with Minwu. Maybe the instant Curaja and improved durability, alongside a second AoE Curaga, will make a difference. Juggling with the burst (which I'll likely need for the Hastega and possibly for an extra MAG debuff layer besides the instant Curaja) might prove a wee bit difficult, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 30, 2017, 04:05:47 PM
"Oh shit the FF6 event ends off-schedule. I should do that."

*24 hours later*

Okay, Terra was an utter joke; despite the 3000 fixed AOE I still didn't even need a medica to win. RW Raines, use Celes' default SB to stack magic mitigation, cruise to victory. Relm was charging Portrait of Lakshmi when Strago got the final hit in. I probably didn't even need Setzer's Full Breakdown SSB, although I'm not complaining that I got it. And Dullahan was one of the easiest U++ fights so far -- even with Stop landing twice on everybody other than Yda, her burst and some Swiftspell-ing was enough to tear him apart. Now I just have to deal with Phantom Train, and I think that is the time for Sabin's party Esuna to shine.

Edit: Done! No S/Ls on either difficulty, thank you Soul Spiral. Going full healer (OK with Esuna, Sabin with Soul Spiral and Lifesiphon so he could spam it, Eiko with Ultra Cure and burst) was exactly the right strategy, and despite the lack of DPS characters even with only a slight holy weakness to take advantage of Raines was hitting the D200 train for 4x7500 with command 1, and straight 9999s with repeat casts of the entry. Also got very lucky and only saw Ultimate Saintly Beam once in the Apocalypse fight.

Now for the real anniversary gameplay, by which I mean slot machines. I have 110 mythril now, and have budgeted two pulls for banner 4. Question is, do I blitz some realm dungeons and pick up enough extra that I can also try my luck with a full pull on banner 3? The dupes are there but the shinies are shiny. Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 30, 2017, 05:17:20 PM
HOLY FUCKING BABY DINOSAUR JESUS IN A SPANDEX SUIT INFINITY NEMESIS VANQUISHED

(https://i.imgur.com/pqjiJUp.png)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

(https://i.imgur.com/lMBQKfV.png)

THESE ARE THE SHADOWS TO HAUNT YOUR NIGHTMARES TO YOUR VERY LAST BREATH

(https://i.imgur.com/WKFstfy.png)

FUCK YOU NEMESIS

Ahem.

ANYWAY. Yeah, finally, FINALLY succeeded. Indeed, Minwu made all the difference by providing an extra layer of mitigation with Spell Sap XVI (that extra 8% -actually mattered-, amazingly. The difference between a 4-digit and a 3-digit Ultima by the later legs of the fight) and those hella clutch instant heals with Will of the White Mage and Cure X both. That Curaise there? Also made the difference between life and death. Once Nemesis started his Boundless Ethereal Cannon spam, he hit Vanille with it twice and killed her. Then, he dropped one on Minwu and Faris, so I timed a Curaise on Vanille, used my second shot of Edge's Eblan Doppleganger RW once she was back up, queued up Sentinel's Grimoire in-between and dropped Transcendent Dream in order to get back up on my feet. Tyro eventually perished anyway, but at that point Nemesis was at like 7% mHP and I felt I could make it to the shore. The parting shot was a reflected -three-digit-damage- Ethereal Cannon on Alphinaud while he was charging Aerial Blast. That has to be insulting. This is, without a doubt, the hardest fight I've ever mastered in this game. Holy shit.

Anyhow, I can resume the scheduled orb farming and XP grinding. I have Laguna's SSB to master and Pecil and Kain are already past L90.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 30, 2017, 08:55:52 PM
Now for the real anniversary gameplay, by which I mean slot machines. I have 110 mythril now, and have budgeted two pulls for banner 4. Question is, do I blitz some realm dungeons and pick up enough extra that I can also try my luck with a full pull on banner 3? The dupes are there but the shinies are shiny. Hmmmmm.

Problem there is you already have one of the top-tier prizes (Raines BSB. BY THE WAY, his MC3 is dropping tonight) and the boobie traps are pretty bad on your context (I mean, you already have the claws, Sabin's armlet, Fire Lash -and- now Sirius, right?). If you're gambling for Shura Gloves, might as well drop a few on the DU Lucky Draw on Sunday instead. The OSBs are underwhelming to boot. I tried a gamble 11-pull for one of Relm's brush, Golbez's rod and Cid's claws (and god, do I wish I could take that pull back, considering it was motivated by Nemesis), but Iunno. The spare mythril feels better served on future banners like FFT's next offering or Squall's utterly nuts BSB2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 30, 2017, 09:07:50 PM
This is all true, I'm mainly just annoyed that physical DPS moves keep evading me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 30, 2017, 11:39:27 PM
Banner 3 gave me a 3* for 100 Gem Pull and that's all I'm doing.  I have really very little reason to pull on it; i have several relics, Noel's sucks, Krile's is uneccessary given i have Leylines, so really it's just Relm and Golebz's bursts that are enticing.  Doesn't help the two worst OSBs in the draws are on this banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 31, 2017, 02:52:04 AM
Noel's SSB is actually better than it looks - with Lifesiphon and Ace Striker/Battleforged you can chain instant actions from turn 3 until you run out of hones. It's pure non-elemental damage (with stun, for all the good that does lately), but there's a niche for that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 01, 2017, 02:50:10 AM
And the meaningful part of Orbfest is done.  Now to just run each stage once for mythril and forget it's there unless I want EXP on the next few days.  Upside, Raines is now level 91!

I did 100 Gem draw, got rekt, and then 2 11 pulls, netting me Alphinaud's SSB, Yuna's SSB2, and Onion Knight's Magic SSB.  Not what I wanted, but at least it wasn't like multiple Veil of Wiyus.  Might do one more pull but after that I'm running into "dangerous amounts of dupe" territory.  Probably do a pull on FF9-1 as well, then doubt I'll do any more pulls, outside of the upcoming Realm Lucky Draw, between now and whenever the next banner i care about shows up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 01, 2017, 03:12:02 AM
First pull: Dupe Evoker's Doublet and nothing else.
Second pull: Double Genji Gauntlets, Chaos Rod, Veil Of Fucking Wiyu.

No awesome OSB, but I get the perfect complement to Eiko's burst, another step toward respectable FFX teams, and oh yeah the relic that got away in the FF14 mega banner, competing my wind team and giving me a truly murderous magic-based A team. Good anniversary.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on April 02, 2017, 06:48:01 PM
Banner 4, the one I'm most excited for.  I have 109 Mythril at first, so I do a pull.

100 Gem: Rekt
1/11 dupe Evoker's Doublet.

Well that was bad.  Let's try again.

1/11 Onion Staff

At least it's something new, but I'm mad and scramble through stages and challenges to get up to 51 Mythril.  I achieve that last night and try my luck, hoping I'd get something good THIS time.

1/11 dupe Chaos Rod.

I went 1/34 on this banner basically.  I think this one broke me.  I'm keeping no hope of getting things I actually want...  Not that I have any Mythril left to try, anyway.  I think the last time a banner hated me this hard, Cloud's BSB just came out and I was shooting for Red's SSB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 03, 2017, 06:24:07 PM
I hurt myself today.

To see if I still feel...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 03, 2017, 06:49:08 PM
You do realize Kain's BSB is coming back with his OSB on the same banner next FF4 event, right? Good idea to save the ennui until then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 05, 2017, 12:53:42 AM
Drew on the FF9 Banner, got only Beatrix's Force Shield.  A bit disappointing that I keep getting 1/11s, but hey, it's a +Holy equip to compliment Knights, which is something I lacked, so could be worse.

Beat the entire FF9 event.  I swear, Apocaylpse Kuja cheats, not because of his AI, but because he basically always finds ways to fuck with connections and then punishes the team with his insane speed and multi-acting as a result.  In fact, in one instance I had a DAMN GOOD TEAM and the winning blow was being charged, and really we were in the cl-*Connection lost with 2 or more members*

I finally beat him though.  I also crushed the CId Mission, which was easily walled with Gaia Cross covering the physical and enough magic mitigation for everything else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 05, 2017, 07:09:36 PM
Kuja is a goddamn monster, especially once he gets to his dualcast phase. Double Flare Stars = 4K AOE damage through wall/shellga/breaks, which is no fun. I finally beat him with three deaths in my usual A team, and only got mastery when I came back geared for maximum tanking -- OK as a full-time healer, Y'shotla using wrath to juggle wall and her burst, and RW'ing Eiko's USB for instant heals after Gravija and Ultima (also the Last Stand saved Alphinaud from dying to Gargantivolt, which would have meant bad things for my final push, so hooray for Last Stand). Now on to the Cid Mission, where Zidane finally gets a chance to use his Knight 3!

Edit: Yeah, that was easy. If the Mistodons used anything but ST physicals after the first wave, I don't remember it. Draw Fire + Vivi BSB RW > that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 06, 2017, 02:38:41 AM
Never talked about my haul for the anniversary so...let's get that out of the way with!  Only including Anniversary related banners, so no concurrent banners like FF6 or FF9 rewards(not that it adds much.)

Sarah's Ancient Lute (FF1 Medica AND Hastega, something I lacked!)

Emperor's Demon's Rod (stat stick for FF2 if nothing else, and a BSB is a BSB.  Also another +Darkness weapon to go with another I just got!)

Refia's Shura Gloves (dupe)

Raines' Metamorphic Claw (...do I really need to say anything?)

Platinum Sword (my 4th one -_-)

Arc's White Mage Robes (100 Gem Draw, so I aint complaining about this at all, even if it's something I didn't really care for.   Why yes, I'll take a Non-Dupe Instant Medica and another +Holy equip, which is nice considering one of the BSBs I got)

Sephiroth's Chirijiraden (considering how much I was mocking Sephiroth, I basically had this coming for my one pull on Banner 1.  Not that I'm complaining, since an OSB is an OSB and it's hardly a bad one either, but yeah, this felt like the game going "oh, you think Sephiroth sucks?  well, now you'll have no choice but to acknowledge him being useful!")

Sephiroth's Gloves (...ditto this equip, gotten on the SAME DRAW)

Tidus' Apocalypse (I didn't care for Banner 2, did a 100 Gem Draw, got this...I likewise am in no way allowed to complain about this prize...at all...)

Alphinaud's Evoker's Doublet (I already have his BSB, so potential gauge issues, but it's another +10 Magic for him, and didn't have Raidiant Shield so...maybe I should attempt Nemesis...)

Ramza's Genji Gloves (Because the game has thrown every other Soul Break of his at me besides his BSB, this kind of felt inevitable...)

Onion KNight's Eternal staff (because I didn't really want this, of course the game gives this to me...at least it's not a dupe)

Yuna's Chaos Rod (...because I didn't have enough reasons to use Yuna already apparently...)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 06, 2017, 10:41:09 PM
Okay, so. Tiamat. I went in without much thought for my party composition, because she's weak to ice. I have Edea's burst and infinite MAG buffing. Cakewalk, right? It would be, if I were more than barely literate, and noticed the part where she has a silence inflicting move. Which she hit Raines with almost immediately, and landed the status. No worries, I said! I can still smack him around with Onion Knight's burst, and build up Edea's gauge until she can go nuts.

That thought lasted about two seconds, which is the time it took for Tiamat to use Drain Magic on OK and reduce Swiftspell to 800 damage/hit. So now my offense is a feather-light Swiftspell, Faris using MBD and FB from the back row with a sword, and Edea. But it's all fine, because Cid can at least be my RW monkey to recast wall at the right time, and around the recast Edea gets her full gauge and just destroys Tiamat. After buffing with Memento Mori and her Stitch in Time clone, she's hitting for 6x9999 every turn. I'm going to demolish a U++ boss with one Metamorphose Claw behind my back!

....naturally, that lasted until she had about 40,000 HP left, at which point she silenced Edea. So now my DPS is just gimped Swiftspell and back-row Faris physicals. Edea literally can't do anything, even a token physical, because silence locks her burst commands and her burst can't expire until she acts. That paltry offense isn't cutting it, and Edea's doom timer is helpfully ticking off the seconds until Wall will expire, at which point I'm screwed. Instead of renewing OK's burst, I decide to use his banked SB bar on his OSB, but it only deals 25,000 damage. Tick tick tick.

Finally, with six seconds to go, Raines -- who's had nothing to do this whole time but spam Wrath and call in an RW once -- gets his voice back. I mash the Metamorphose button like it's going to produce free pie. 12,000 damage. Victory! Mastery! And a lesson on reading the damn battle tips.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 09, 2017, 02:59:47 PM
Tempetd to draw on Beatrix 1 again.  The only relic I have is the Force Shield I got from my first pull and most of what's on there will be varying degrees of helpful for me. 

And the upcoming Lucky Draw doesn't have FF9 on it (meaning I might actually get something good!  As I said, Realm LDs w/ FF9 on it are generally cursed for me), so the "wait til lucky draw!" idea won't make sense here.  Any thoughts?  201 mythril if you're wondering so yes, I have stuff to spare.


Was thinking about the Anniversary Banners and here's my ultimate thoughts is that if I were to make any more pulls, I might do Banner 2; only thing with a substantial number of things that could help me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 10, 2017, 02:28:43 AM
Did my allotted Realm Lucky Draw. Results: Luneth's Lust Dagger, Papalymo's Lilith Rod, Yda's Kaiser Knuckles and Basch's Holy Lance. That -has- to be my best pull in a Lucky Draw like, EVER.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on April 10, 2017, 02:38:37 AM
Vaan burst, Vaan SSB, Minfilia burst (dupe... y'know, on a holy stick).  Damn fine draw.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 10, 2017, 03:23:40 AM
Pulled on Beatrix-1 again, got Quina's Hairpin.  Well, at least I have a +Water equip for Tidus' OSB!

Lucky Draw gave me 3/11, finally not getting another 1/11 like the game has been giving me...

...only to get 2 Holy Shields and ANOTHER Shura Gloves.  At least the Holy Shields are new, albeit a bit disappointing I got two at once. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 10, 2017, 01:55:31 PM
Pulled on the lucky draw against my better judgment because my FF3 and FF14 synergy is so good...

3/11: Evoker's Doublet (again....), Ashe's Defiance, Vayne's Gloves

Okay, yes, that definitely works.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 10, 2017, 02:29:45 PM
Because clearly your mage meta tech needed improvement. Ashe's BSB is pretty hot, regardless, not being enspell-taxed leads to some amazing damage potential, though still lower than what Edea/Maria/Papalymo (and Edea you -do- have) can do with theirs. The armor itself is a nice stat stick too.

EDIT: Mastered Enochian Firaja, Forbidden Chakra and Shining Ray. Potato now is proudly my highest-mag PC and I'm seriously considering a full dive on him once I have the motes for it (his Legend Record Sphere grid is quite good! Medium Fire mag dualcast chance + small Fire mag boost running off Enochian Firaja commands would be really sexy). Yda... hmmm. She doesn't pack anywhere near the punch Refia does, but running a Full Breakdown set on a DPS unit could be pretty neat in conjunction with Faris in order to free up ability slots for her uber flexible skillset (whenever I need, say, Thief skills). Greased Lightning is just too weird to be truly wieldy, but oh well. At least Kaiser Knuckles give me an option for reaching the ATK threshold for five-hit Lifebane with non-synergy equips + fire boosting on Refia as well. With Ifrit Kris, I was like 5 ATK short of it even with max buff stacking under my reasonable setups. Not much to say about Basch, though, guess he'll be nice to run alongside Beatrix.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 10, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
Yeah, I've coveted Ashe's burst for a while and am definitely not complaining about finally landing it. It's not cracking my A-team, but with elemental specialization becoming more of a thing (even before Magicite drops later this year) there's definite value in having her and Kain as the anchors for a lightning team -- not to mention that she's going to slaughter Torment Mateus. Vayne is obviously not as big of a get, but by the same principle he's got value in a pure dark team along with Raines, depending on how much Edea's burst suffers when facing ice resistance. Plus Force of Will is kind of a physical burst, if I bring Shout!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 10, 2017, 07:36:05 PM
Edea's Burst only -truly- suffers if facing both ice -and- dark resist, though losing the en-element damage boost obviously ain't much fun. Ice does have the advantage of having the best weakness/resistance ratio of all the elements, being a common exploit but not a widespread resistance (both fire and lightning are more dynamic, for instance).

EDIT: For self-reference: the magical number for Potato to reach 6-hit Astral Fire running Vessel of Fate/other stackable +30% Faithgas + Converted Flare + Faith = 491 MAG. This goes down to 453 if I choose to stack another +30% buff instead of Faith. tl;dr I should fully dive him ASAP, since at least I'll reach the 453 threshold with all my fire-boosting equips regardless of realm synergy if I do so. Stuffing the Lilith Rod full of Rosetta Stones first chance I get is also an option.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 11, 2017, 02:06:09 PM
Papalymo is not fond of you calling him "Potato" considering his partner has the intelligence of one!


That said, I was randomly musing about what characters could make use of Magic Swords, particularly the 6* ones, and here's my useless analysis!  Note I haven't looked at RD to heavily see what skillsets get open, nor what characters get access to Swords.

First off, Tyro and Onion Knight don't count, as usual, getting that out of the way!
Next off, Roaming Warriors don't count; yes, technically any Sword user can use Raines' RW and spam his moves with a magic sword, but that's clearly a highly technical scenario, and not factoring that in, lest every swordsmen would be on this list.

So moving on, let's look at the characters who make blatant use of it.  These are characters who are competent spellcasters.  These characters have Black 5 (or Summon 5, though I don't think anyone on this list has Summon 5 without Black 5) and an expected Magic Stat.  As a result, I won't be mentioning reasons, since they're all the same here:

Maria
Emperor
Desch
Golbez
Ex-death
Terra
Gogo-6
Ashe
Vayne
Serah
Raines
Jihl Nabaat

As an addendum, I can see Scott being added in the next event to the above list with a Desch-like Build.  Hard to say with him, but considering FF2's Wild Rose increased Intellect to 99 and he joins with level 5 Fire/Blizzard/Lightning, I could definitely see a hybrid build on him.

Straight forward; the above characters are either Primarily Mages, or Hybrids and all of them can use swords.  Moving on!

The next batch are those Darkness 5 characters who are not primary Mages, but given how strong the MM + DZ combo is, giving them competent magic weapon can in fact come in handy in niche situations and they can work as Makeshift mages.   This does not take into account being obsoleted in that role in the same realm because odd circumstances exist (case in point, yes, Emperor is better than Leon in every-way at being a Dark Zone spamming machine, so Leon probably won't ever have to do that again, but not relevant here.)  Self explanatory, so not giving personal reasons here.

Garland
Leon
Luneth (RD'd)
D. Cecil (go him?)
Seifer
Jecht
Zeid
Gabranth
Gafgarion

Like the previous list, self explanatory, moving on!

Now for characters with a bit more specific uses that don't really lump together.  I'll preface that for a character to make use I feel they should have at least 4* in Black, Summon, Darkness or Ninja.  I'd say "Witch" but given every single Witch user has Black 5, it's a completely worthless distinction.  This list mostly highlights characters who could use Magic in scenarios where it's outright required for them to not use Physicals, like enemy has sleep or something.  While it wouldn't be necessarily ideal usage and clearly under-performing compared to the previous two, it's just enough to be considered competent.  This is why I put that 4* minimum; a character casting Firaja can pull off at least adequate damage, where as it's hard pressed to justify Firaga.  Ninja has a low Magic Softcap, so raw magic doesn't mean much, just the Magic Sword helps hit that threshold with few buffs (and being ITD allows for a consistent minimum use, especially the 5*s), and in Darkness' case, Memento Mori is surprisingly effective on it's own, at least after the first cast, hence why it's there.


Galuf: Gets Swords and Ninja 4 via RD
Celes: Black 4
Basch: Gets Darkness 4 (through RD I think?)
Thancred: Ninja 5 (odd he's the only one with Ninja 5 and Swords near as I can tell)
Ramza: Ninja 4
Orlandu: Darkness 4
Lann: Summon 5, but his magic stats suck too much and Summon is a bit limited on it's own, and unlike, say, Garnet, his Bursts don't compliment Magic, hence why he's here.



So...yeah, I think this list covers basically all the characters who can make use of Magic Swords.  Mostly thought of this because I remember reading someone claiming they're "uselses for anyone not Terra or Ashe."  This list obviously dispels that!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 11, 2017, 08:53:47 PM
Magic swords being useless for non-Terra/Ashe characters is mostly a relic of the past. They're actually a viable enough synergy alternative at this point. The relics themselves cover few realms, but with two OSB magic swords lying around, that's... not actually as big an issue as you'd think! A fully augmented 6* Blood Sword clocks in at nearly 190 MAG, which is an acceptable backup for non-synergy if you're lacking a good enough alternative. If you're lucky and/or rich enough, a max-level, fully augmented Blood Sword clocks in at 207 MAG, which is on the level of a typical 5* synergy stick! The main problem is that they, as a rule of thumb, offer no MND, which hurts them slightly if you're running certain buffs on those mages. This is most relevant for Serah if you have her Endless Blessings, though. Tangential for Ashe as well if running her BSB command 1 (I certainly HOPE nobody's seriously using Northswain's Glow at this point in the meta).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 12, 2017, 06:12:17 AM
I should note the claim came from when Terra's Blood Sword was one of the top voted OSBs (2nd only to Cloud's Ragnarok), and someone whined at how ultra niche it is.

As far as Mages that care about Mind...

It's mostly the Sages who can use Swords, I'd say, and anyone with a Hastega Relic (like Serah as you mentioned.)  Maria, for example, post RD may care since she gets White 4 and conceivably could be running Shellga/Protectga to assist Minwu or something.  That said, the base duration of those effects tends to be high enough that reapplying it isn't a big deal.

I mean, I had no problems keeping Hastega active with Edea through Inargural Parade, and you literally cannot get worse Mind than her, without delving into Cores.


Also, I'd argue it was never only "Terra and Ashe" since Golbez has been around for a while and could make use of Terra's Enhancer, and after she got her buffs, Celes made a competent mage for a while as it was back when solid base and Black 4 is all you needed to be a decent offensive spellcaster.  Obviously, that's changed a lot, between En-Elementals, SSB+ boosts, and Record Dive Bonuses, as well as Summons and legitimate 5*s being a thing, limiting how good a spellcaster Celes can be, though of course, so many other Sword Wielding Mages have appeared as I noted, either directly introduced (Desch) or simply getting buffed to allow it after a point (Maria.)
Basically, it's a dumb statement to say that the Blood Sword (and subsequent 6* Magic Swords like Ashe's Durandal and Terra's future Apocalypse) are "useless" beyond those two, since well, lots of characters can use them.  Heck, it is worth noting that on top of their 6* Magic score, they actually do have a 5* Attack Rating, allowing for other uses, even something as minor as "just another 5* Synergy Sword for that realm!" in effect. 


That said, I do still want one of Ashe's Magic Swords at this point.  I have her BSB and nothing else.  I attempted Banner 4 but they decided it'd be cute to hand me all the Sub-BSB relics on the banner and now I can't justify one last minute pull on the darn thing!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2017, 09:01:57 PM
Mastered both FFT Torments - D250 Torment was pretty much holy team town, in particular. I took Ramza, Basch and Beatrix BSBs for a stroll and holy crap that's a lot of damage. CM Torment, though, I may just leave for May - it's not so much that I lack the SBs, I feel what I have is enough offense, but having only one, Medica-less healer really bites. I feel that just having Rafa with Heathen Frolic Sarabande + Curaja in addition to Ultra Cure Ovelia would make all the difference I need, since Mustadio contributes nearly nothing to the setup and neither Orlandu nor Gafgarion provide anything relevant with zero relics. Oh well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 12, 2017, 09:33:41 PM
Okay, I finally beat the unimportant versions of Nemesis. I realize the only one we're supposed to care about is Boundless, but I was still surprised at how much of a cupcake the D180 fight is. Once you heal up from the opening Ultimate Armageddon, his offense is kind of garbage.

Anyway, that finally puts a pin in the anniversary for me. It turned out as a ridiculous success in terms of beefing up my party, and I haven't even honed anything yet! Good times. Just orbfest grinding until tomorrow evening, and then a blitz through WOFF. Might tackle the FFT torment Cid mission, too -- I've got all that holy offense in Tactics and it would be a shame not to flex it when I have the chance. It should be fun to build up a ton of meter for Agrias and Ramza against the trash, and then burst until they explode. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2017, 09:42:35 PM
Ramza BSB is totally legit even against D250 Belias. With triple-stacked Holy Imperils and Eiko's crit boost, he was doling out over 40k damage per Unsung Hero, totalling 160k~ damage a pop. The 100% DEF boost also let me completely forsake Protectga. For the CM, I don't have overkill offense or AoE mitigation -yet- to tackle sensibly, but Rafa alone would help with that. And since I have up to two pulls slotted for that set of banners, I may have a few more surprises for it when the time comes. We'll see.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 15, 2017, 07:02:46 PM
Just beat the harder version of the Gigas Torment, finally having a chance to really try Raines' BSB on my team.  Ultimately, gun down the Thunder Gigas ASAP since he's the toughest of the bunch, then Terra focuses her damage on the Ice one (Soul Breaks are uncounterable, which is the main reason to take him down last), everyone else deal with the fire.  Fire went down last because, well, Scorching Flame hype and such. 

Took me two attempts mostly because the first time I reached them, I didn't reapply buffs so the openning Thunderstorm would kill Raines/Papalymo, on the re-attempt, I used Round 6 to get myself back together.  What also helped is remembering that Torments are well beyond the MAGIC Softcap, that even Magic Breakdown effects don't do much, meaning I could leave a slot open for Tyro to use Lifesiphon (He also had Multibreak, mostly because the slight damage push and it does mitigate damage a bit.  Damage push in question is Terra in one En-Fire'd Scorching Flame did 95k~, without Multibreak, it did only 88k.  Not a big deal, but it's there.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 17, 2017, 01:11:25 PM
Geosgano 250 Torment beaten!  Learning that Regurgitate is % based thus Instant Death protectable made the difference in the fight since that was often a huge chunk of damage I couldn't really handle.

Also finished the FF3 event save for the Cid Mission (haven't attempted yet.)  These fights are dumb...well, no, Xande is just general trash, but the others?

The Waves are stupid because they split even when killed.  I get they're trying to emulate FF3's Splitting Enemies, and do so in a way that doesn't just say "mage Meta lol" thus "only darkness works" but for the love of god, if it's a lethal attack, don't have them split.  The whole mechanic worked in FF3 because split enemies had the same HP as the originator.  It's a fight that desperately begs for a Dark Elemental BSB (which I luckily had.  Also brought Raines with Dire Heal + Darkzone, Terra had Drainga and Papalymo had Darkra, so wasn't too bad, but still not a good design philosophy.)
Garuda is back to the old bullshit "lol I can kill you before you move" nonsense that made the original U+ Bartz insufferable, complete with an annoying condition (Use Jump!)  I could luckily adjust my team such that Tyro gets Jump in, Alphinaud instead of Raines for Wind damage, and Terra can still wield Magic Breakdown for the mitigation.  I could have used Raines over Terra for the same effect, but figured the Burst damage would be better than the consistent DPS and she's significantly bulkier (she still got a 99999 Scorching Flame off him, which was a huge chunk of his health gone, such that Papalymo (w/ OK Burst) and Alphinaud could gun him down.)  It's still dumb since you're at the mercy of the RNG in the early parts of the fight when you're doing all set up.  Oh, did he just use 2 MT physicals in a row on turn 2 before you had Wall up? Tough, S/L NOW!


As far as Hein goes, solo'd the Ultimate.  The Apocalypse...my first run had a good team EXCEPT for one team which was Vaan and Tyro, spamming Lifesiphon, and Vaan was spamming his BSB commands.  This led to a lot of confusion.  At one point, my Terra was getting Scorching Flames late in the fight when he's weak to Fire...then he had his Tyro THROW A PUMPKIN for 450 damage, causing Confusion on her, completely destroying the Opportunity. 
Eventually just recruited DLers since this is a fight that, despite all the PUGs saying "DO NOT USE PHYSICALS!" "MAGE TEAM ONLY!" etc., people will still be stupid (this is a fight where Using Physicals = Auto Ban!)  First attempt failed due to Sage's Hope's BSB2 not being as strong as we'd like, and he got a lucky confuse that caused things to go downhill.
Refight, Sage uses Shantotto instead because Burst is good for the fight, and we agreed the Black Magic counters shouldn't be TOO bad.  Turns out not only are they more begnin, they're also far less common, as we never saw one despite the constant barrage, contrast to the physicals which ARE 100%.    So yeah, good call on his end. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 17, 2017, 03:14:24 PM
I hate everything about this event's set of Ultimates and I'll leave it at that.

Apocalypse Hein was far more benign. His stats actually kinda suck (my pug team had no stackable MAG buffs and we were still dropping over 15k a pop under weakness with Chain-gas. Oh, and his speed's also kinda terrible) and he has very little bite outside of the physical spoiling - he wasn't really threatening anyone even though we had only Full Break for debuffs. I ran Papalymo and Shantotto... but I forgot to equip Enochian Firaja on him. Oh well, Ley Lines still made for good utility and Shantotto's Burst is indeed very solid for the fight, since she'll always hit weakness with one of her commands.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 17, 2017, 03:57:12 PM
Cleared out the ultimates easily. The Gaaps' gimmick is ridiculous and bad design, but it's bad design I'm well equipped for, so Vayne and Raines slaughtered. Xande took a couple of tries because I tried to gear OK for damage instead of healing and couldn't keep up with his damage in the final phase. Luneth and Desch handled something like 90% of my damage -- Luneth spamming Dark Bargain until his burst came up, and Desch RW'ing Setzer's burst and then alternating between the MAG/RES debuff command and MBD. The burst kept Ultimate Meteor to a survivable level, and Desch was hitting for 9000 a turn thanks to damage-boosting RMs. In theory Ingus was there to dispel Protect/Haste with Banishing Strike, but in practice most of the time he'd just counter-buff himself and make the whole thing pointless. Oh well.

Garuda's his typical asshole self, easily handled with all-out wind offense if you can set up mitigation before he tears you apart by double acting. My first attempt, where I ditched Protectga for more damage, was....not successful.

Edit:
U+ Hein: Piece of cake. Ashe BSB for the lightning phases, Lulu BSB for the fire/ice phases. Each of them gets black magic to cover the weakness her burst doesn't. Simple!

Apocalypse Hein: Less simple. First, Despite breezing through the actual U+ fight, I only barely made mastery because I went with OK/Ashe/Lulu/Faris/Y'shtola, and nobody there can (by default) use Multi Break. So this time I swapped Onion Knight for Tyro, to see if that would work rather than pouring a ton of 4* motes into Faris for one gimmick fight. (Side note: I could have run her with the -RES dance, but given that Hein has a piercing AOE the extra debuff seemed like a good idea regardless of medal conditions.)

The result was a team where, aside from Faris using an occasional Sea Lord's Broadside for 8000 damage at most, literally all my damage came from the two black mages. And Hein had a fun habit of changing weaknesses during a cast, so things went extra slow. Slow enough that the second shot of RW'd onionburst (the buffs, not the actual burst mode) ran out when he was still at about 20% HP. Whittling down a D200 enemy 4000 HP at a time is fun! Luckily, he finally switched to lightning weakness, which was the cue for Ashe to unload an en-lightning'd Dusk Decree entry on him. That didn't quite end things, but it only took three more hits. And thankfully I did get a skin-of-my-teeth mastery -- that was the longest, sloggiest fight I've had since breaking into the Ultimate tier, and by the end I was legit worried that I'd end up losing multiple action medals.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 21, 2017, 02:34:13 AM
You know, I need FF11 Synergy badly, so why not toy with a pull on the banner? 100 Gem got rekt but hey, at least this 11 pull will get me SOMETHING because I have absolutely nothing, and 0% chance of dupes.  Not expecting much of course but hey, can't hurt right?

(http://i.imgur.com/IvJBeVGl.png)

...something tells me the game doesn't want me to use Shantotto...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 21, 2017, 01:35:25 PM
Just Ayame's hastega SSB for me. Not super useful because I already have Edge's instant hastega/last stand/blink, but at least this one can be Lifesiphoned?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Reiska on April 24, 2017, 05:03:27 AM
And people were scared of this fight

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/137729122
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 24, 2017, 05:58:26 AM
I gotta say, that was a cathartic as hell experience.  Most good I've felt about destroying something in RK since Revenge Bahamut Sin.  Granted, the run I was in is not in the video, but still stand by what I said.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 24, 2017, 08:54:22 PM
This week's raids were great fun. A++ Ultros, we went with double-Shantotto+double-Ashe (I ran with OK and Shantotto, in order to cover a stackable buffing layer) and just fried his ass with Play Rough spamming (the other Shantotto also had Primordial Elements for great stacking goodness). Not much to say, but tons of fun. I'm pretty sure I also ran a team with Meeple on Ultimate Ultros, which involved a lot of explosions, since I ran Papalymo on that fight.

A++ Mandragoras... well. I ran the fight during commute flying OK+Maria (OK with Wrath and Ultra Cure, running exclusively VoF, Maria running Meteor and Faith, though she only used Faith and Meteor -once-), with Tyro/Penelo coordinating dances and heals, Hope and Vanille running instant heals and bizarre offense/status alongside dispels, and Y'shtola/Selphie coordinating healing, Stoneskin and buffs. Hope fumbled his first SB (OSB instead of BSB2...), but otherwise coordination was super-tight: very timely heals all around, Selphie methodically dispelled the Mandragoras one by one when under BSB status, Penelo and Tyro kept debuffing going steadily and, once Hope had his gauge up again, he could cover dispelling and AoE pretty capably. Maria was responsible for the bulk of the offense, though: 24k a pop off a Break was pretty sweet, and powered Meteor XVIs were amazing damage. The fight went the slow and methodical way, which kept fuss at a minimum. We had awesome control over the fight at all times and the whole dynamics felt like they gelled really well. Far less obnoxious than the madness that involved U+ Mandragoras on the last FF12 event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cotigo on April 25, 2017, 11:33:06 AM
You know, I don't quite recall, but A++ Mandragoras rings a bell as one of the endgame bosses that made me get bored of the game.  Maybe it was a different iteration of them, though actually the timeframe matches up I think.  God that was so tedious.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on April 26, 2017, 03:59:40 PM
Had to pull on the ff11 banner. I spent a good portion of my early 20s in that game.

Got Lion and Shanys bursts.

Cool.

Now to save for the Kain banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 27, 2017, 03:50:20 AM
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This week's raids were great fun. A++ Ultros, we went with double-Shantotto+double-Ashe (I ran with OK and Shantotto, in order to cover a stackable buffing layer) and just fried his ass with Play Rough spamming (the other Shantotto also had Primordial Elements for great stacking goodness). Not much to say, but tons of fun. I'm pretty sure I also ran a team with Meeple on Ultimate Ultros, which involved a lot of explosions, since I ran Papalymo on that fight.

If it was a "Meeple" with a Tyro and Terra combo (my usual combo, though I do vary based on fight requirements, and circumstance), then it was most definitely me.


DL Team beat 200 Ultros but not without annoying cheating ass disconnects getting in the way causing problems (we got him down to like 5% before that happened), then most gave up on exhaustion for the night, understandably enough since we took down Mandragoras.  I then proceeded to take down 240 by myself, since between Terra's OSB, Shantotto Burst, and lots of Magic Buffs, I was very well suited for the fight.



Oh yeah, naturally took down the FF11 Event, Cid Mission included ("Use Shantotto" is not much of a downside, especially given my current situation <_<.)  Shadow Lord actually required I go in with a mixed team, so went with a team that looked something like this:

Terra: Wrath, Meltdown, Ace Striker (I have all her SSB+s)
Cloud: Lifesiphon, Hailstorm, Truthseeker (I have Finishing Touch)
Papalymo: Shellga, some magic I can't be bothered to remember because he never used it, Dr. Mog's Teachings (He has Leylines)
Tyro: Full Break, Magic Breakdown, Mako's Might (SG and his BSB)
Yuna: Curaja, Protectga, Knights' Charge (I have her BSB2...other stuff too, but really, "BSB2" says everything)
RW: VoF

Should be pretty clear what my strategy is.  Most damage comes from magic, but Cloud is there so I can DPS when the magic barrier goes up, and he can still contribute fine in Phase 2 when the gimmick is gone.  Hailstorm was DPS but also provided a damage buff to Cloud that can go with VoF since I didn't have a proper Boostga.  Hailstorm really goes a long way in making Cloud so much better, since it gives him something he can do beside "Spam Lifesiphon and Full Charge."  Well, I guess you could dive him to 5* Spellblade, but feels like a waste of motes.
...and besides, I have a Sephiroth with an SSB2 + OSB combo, I'm pretty sure he's going to want that 2 hit Ice move that buffs damage in between turns.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 28, 2017, 02:01:43 AM
Who's got two thumbs and just soloed the Apocalypse++ Mandragoras with full medals?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on May 05, 2017, 03:46:54 PM
I'm probably going to forget something because a lot happened but I'll try to recap things that happened for both my JP and global accounts. Basically it's been wild, JP has had Golden Week and Anniversary shenanigans with some nuts good stuff, not only for banners, but also Mythril rewards (like the Magic Pots which gave 30 Mythril each for total of 60b free Mythril and log in bonuses, etc) -

Final Fantasy Record Keeper JP Healer Lucky Draw - Results, Aerith Burst, Iris Burst

Final Fantasy Record Keeper JP Burst Lucky - Agrias Burst, Rafa Burst

Final Fantasy Record Keeper JP 6* Lucky - Firion OSB, Rydia OSB, Duece USSB

Final Fantasy Record Keeper JP Free 30 Pull - Agrias OSB, Garnet Burst 2.0. Beatrix magic blink super, Asche super with healing

Final Fantasy Record Keeper JP Anniversary Banners - Bartz Chicken Knife, Porom Burst, Zidane Burst 2.0, Rinoa Crystal Cross Burst

**

Global -

FFIII - Onion Staff, Gauntlets x2 (only wanted the staff so I could complete my Onion Knight, so couldn't be salty about the Gauntlets really!~)
FFXI - Single pull Giga Doublet, pull 11 Prische Super Moonlight thingy, dupe Giga Doublet, random singles, pulled Shanttotos Iridial Staff from the second ! (wanted this because I happened to get her Burst on a random pull 3 from an anniversary banner and because Shantotto ohohohoho! So yeah nothing quite so lucrative as Meeple's FFXI's results but quite solid I think, didn't manage to pull Shantotto's cloak but then ...
FFTactics first banner - Single pull Ovelia's Burst, another couple of random singles, pulled Rafa's Burst on the second
FFTactics second banner - Random three pull, Saintly Excalibur (dupe), Orlandeu's Super (dupe)

The Thunder God's Burst still eludes me but again I can't complain!~

Never done it before but decided to augment Cid's Saintly Excalibur with Rosetta Stones (the reason I hadn't done it before was because I didn't know how to, didn't realize you could scroll down to find the Rosetta Stones!)~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 05, 2017, 04:21:01 PM
I decided to dip my toe into JP because the Golden Week nonsense is such a convenient way to grab shiny stuff to play with ahead of GL. It's gone....pretty well?

30-pull: Jecht OSB, Edgar OSB, Wol BSB, Paine SSB hastega, Ricard SSB, Onion Knight magic/medica SSB

FFT banner 1: Marach USB, Meliadoul SSB imperil earth, Ovelia SSB medica

Festival banner 3: Rinoa CSB on one 11-pull, Cloud USB, Vincent BSB and double Quistis BSB on the next.

Festival banner 4: Tidus USB, Curilla BSB

The 30-pull stuff is mostly bad, outdated (even in global!) or both, but the rest of it gives me the pieces for a competent physical A-team -- Curilla for boostga and tanking, Tyro for support and hastega, Ovelia as the healer, and two wildcard DPS slots that will be Cloud and Tidus 90% of the time. When extra mitigation is necessary, swap one of them for Wol. Not sure how long I'll stick with this or how hard I'll try to actually clear stuff, but playing with EX Mode nonsense seems like a fun diversion in the short term.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on May 05, 2017, 08:44:54 PM
Oh yeah, this reminds me also obtained Tidus USB from a single pull on that banner, and obtained Relm's Burst from another banner as well.

For global forgot I'd also pulled Delita's Super and a dupe of Mustadio's gun as well.

Congrats on your haul!~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 06, 2017, 03:30:47 AM
Beat the FFT event outside of the Cid Mission which I'll get to tomorrow I suppose.

Solo'd Belias because I could.  It wasn't so hard once I got the fight down, provided RNG didn't screw me in status, in particular Cyclops not petrifying 3 characters EVERY TIME.  The winning run, petrify missed everyone so law of averages finally kicks in, huzzah!

A big thing about this fight is mostly killing off an Archaic Demon before their 4th turn or so, else you get hit by 3 Giga Flares and a very good chance ONE person dies from that, and things go downhille.  Luckily, between Terra's OSB, and various other forms of offense, I could burst down one demon, while still crippling the other two in the process with AoE (yay R2 Vaigarmanda!), so that part wasn't so bad.


Also did the FF12 event up to what's finished, not that anything of note happened.  Also I literally just noticed we had back to back Ivalice events.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 08, 2017, 01:25:36 PM
Done with FF12 event and now my life is mostly farming U+ Hashmal because goddamn are Vit motes scarce and ubiquitously required. I'm likely skipping Wednesdaily for it, though Tuesdaily feels like too much of a stretch given I still want to hone more Chain-gas.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 08, 2017, 02:55:19 PM
The last anniversary banner went up on JP yesterday, and I got enough mythril for a pull this morning. 3/11 with Bartz's BSB3, Meia's BSB, and.....well, damn. Out of every SSB+ relic in the game (except the fest debuts), I come up with Shout. And the pull comes with a free BSB from a list that includes Vanille's. This account got up to speed in a hurry.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 08, 2017, 03:15:30 PM
Sounds like JP alright.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 10, 2017, 04:37:04 AM
DU Lucky Draw: Wakka's Glorious Armguards. Not exactly what I was HOPING for, but a support BSB is a support BSB. I'm also actually glad Wakka can finally be relevant in-realm again, I was using Rikku as my FFX support since Go Go Gullwings, when I got HER Burst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 10, 2017, 04:23:59 PM
Galuf's Titan's Gloves and Rikku's Force Knuckles. Galuf's invincibility move will be fun to play around with even though it won't make the cut in CM teams (since Galuf has my only FF5 boostga), while Rikku now has my only ATK/RES break and my only stacking ATK break in FFX, so that'll come in very handy.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 10, 2017, 05:09:08 PM
I'm just farming 4* Vitality motes on U+ Hashmal now that I finished the monthly DU. Managed to master Assault Reels, running a Wakka/Rosa/Alphinaud/Basch/Papalymo team for farming (might as well get levels for Wakka, since I broke his level cap). Wrathspamming into Rosa's BSB (yeah, got it from an 11-pull on that Raid Campaign banner) is pretty fun, even though the entry isn't much to write home about.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on May 11, 2017, 08:20:06 PM
MP Hashmal didn't go too well until I decided to try hosting for a change, sent out a recruit call with the message Shout, Wind, Dispel/Breakdowns, backup healers something like that, ran a L99 Vanille and Yshtola, ended up with a Ramza, Cloud, Cid (FFVII), Cait Sith, another Yshtola and I forget the last character adding to the party. No lag on my end was nice and most important is this was a party that knew what it was doing for the most part, everyone waiting on debuffs/buffs before damage, backing off to let the healers do their jobs when needed, etc, it was very nice when the Cloud unleashed his OSB when Shout, boost wind damage, etc was up. The Cid dropped at one point though and kept dropping despite my futile attempts to keep him going with Raise and that of the other healer and I's attempts to get him healed up, buffed, etc on time. However the party was able to finish off Hashmal from there.

Currently still working on FFXII event, made it up to the MCII stages, party has changed somewhat, Terra is still there because although she mastered her OSB and Super, she is now learning her Burst, Vanille currently doesn't have anything left to work on so put Ysh back in, Papalymo and Alph finished mastering their stuffs, so were replaced with Raines and Rapha, only for me to find I forgot to get any Memory Crystals for Rapha in the Tactics event and I can't find them in the hall, and Onion is also still there learning new stuffs. I will need to try to fit Shantotto in at some point. Rapha has managed to pull her weight so far with her Burst and hasn't been too squishy yet, that might change for the highest difficulties though, if so I might bring someone else in. Yshtola mastered Aetherial Pulse in the process of working through the event, and is nearly finished Medica II so will need to think about which healer I'll bring in next too~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on May 14, 2017, 02:31:38 AM
Can't beat the XII ultimate+ :( Team has gone through several evolutions in the attempt, first Raines was switched out because holy/dark were a hindrance for this fight, switched Yshtola back in, then Rafa was switched out because of general squishiness even though her Burst was still kind of neat, sorted Shantotto out and slotted her in.

Terra L80, Dispel/Curaga, OSB/Burst/Super, Mako Might
Vanille L99, Esuna/Shellga, USSB/Burst/Super, Dr Mog's Teachings, has Major Silence resist accessory
Yshtola L99, Protectga/Wrath Burst/Wall/Aetherial Pulse/Medica II, Ace Striker
Shantotto L80, Blizzaga, Thundaga, Chain/Burst, Attunement II
Onion Knight L99, Power Break/Magic Break, OSB/Burst/Blowback, Battleforged
Roaming Warrior - Wall

General gist is to try to get Vanille's Astra off right away to protect the team from status, somebody summons RW to Wall, Ysh and Vanille on Shellga and Protectga duties, Ysh then wraths so she can do her thing, Onion uses breaks, time is spent building soul gauge, healing, etc, Onion uses his Burst once available, then Terra lets off a Super, while Shantotto is on Blizzaga and Thundaga duties, Onion is on swift spell duties, Terra is to do an OSB after Shantotto's Thundaga, she also has to Dispel once the boss enters Enrage/Short Fuse stage. Things usually go pear shaped before I can really get Shantotto's Burst going for the end of the fight~

I haven't really tried much since getting Shantotto to L80 since I drained my battery trying to beat the fight ;P So hopefully I'll be able to beat it eventually.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 14, 2017, 02:41:41 AM
*looks up that fight again*  Uggghh, that fight sucked.  I honestly just said to hell with the elemental gimmick and went physical, ( I also was doing the CM... but you can do nonsense like that when you have Vaan Burst and one of Fran's dual-breaks).  Mitigation is paramount there mostly because she starts spamming the shit outta her basic damage move towards the end of the fight, and I'm not sure enough high end anti-Silence exists to outfit a mage team properly for this.  If you've got anyone with a stacking magic debuff, I'd say run physical, although I don't know what your XII synergy situation is.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on May 14, 2017, 03:42:23 AM
Thanks :) Unfortunately FFXII is one of my weakest realms synergy wise, I have like a Unique for Fran/whip kick, a unique and two supers for Balthier and Larsa's Cloud Staff medica/haste, five relics basically. For now I've dove Onion to get and master Viking for Support 5, breakdowns might help a bit more than breaks?

Edit; Whelp, did it. I consider that equipping Terra with her Blood Sword over Stardust Rod (which she is learning her Burst from) might be a better idea here, so I go to sort that out only to realize the Stardust Rod was only L1/20 anyway >_> I give her the Blood Sword L25 snag Reyn's Belt off Raines, also give Yshtola her upgraded Thyrus instead of the 1/20 Omnirod she had, and head back in again. Apparently this made all the difference I think especially for Terra, and with OK's buffs she was hitting 88'000~ with her OSB~~~ All went well with timing for Astra, Transcendent Dream, etc this time too, Blowback even got to be useful too~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 15, 2017, 01:03:11 PM
So, for the first time in more or less forever, a FFX event's ultimates actually scared me in spite of my absolutely gargantuan realm synergy. My first attempt against Isaru's Aeons on Apocalypse+ running Wakka/Faris/Lulu/OK/Y'shtola went awry when Ixion turned up. Holy -shit- AoE damage + dispel is rude, and when he's not doing that, he's spamming ST damage + dispel. I had to bust out the Tyros for this fight, so the winning setup looked more or less like this:

Tyro: Wrath+Powerchain, Ace Striker
Y'shtola: Curaja+Wrath, Dr. Mog's Teachings
OK: Ultra Cure+Shellga, Mako Might
Papalymo: Waterja+Chain Blizzaga, Battleforged
Faris: Full Break+Magic Breakdown, Knight's Charge

RW was Raine's Metamorphose.

So yeah, the idea was mostly having Loserface spam Wrath and run Powerchain for quickastings of Keeper's Tome when necessary - particularly against Ixion. In the end, that was instrumental for victory, since Magic Blink really does help against -everything relevant- Ixion does. Papalymo, in spite of being reduced to Chain Blizzaga against Ifrit, was still my top offense against him, and I really don't have to say how useful he was against Ixion even sans weakness. His burst is just egregiously good.

(Reasoning for bringing him instead of Maria: I have a 5*+ Red Armlet and a 5*+++ High Summoner Staff - i.e. stacking fire boosts. It did pay off on the Aeon I needed to down fast the most, so no real regrets there).

Raid Yunalesca actually wasn't that bad! Phase 2 Ultimate Megadeath is a pain in the ass, but I brought Loserface with Wrath+Ultra Cure and Y'shtola with Wrath+Curaise for this. The party's Ramza still fell to back-to-back Megadeath casts, but Curaise => Ultra Cure to the rescue. I'm pretty proud of how things turned out, Tyro and Y'shtola were the only healers in the party and they ended up being crucial for victory. Lots of well-timed heals and Keeper's Tomes, and I could even help out with the debuff stacking via Keeper's Tome commands.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 15, 2017, 01:37:54 PM
I'm thinking MP Yunalesca might be my first chance to take Rosa's SSB out for a spin. Just Wrath the hell out of the first phase and then Divine Heals from hell(biter) to breakfast.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 15, 2017, 02:27:27 PM
That seriously helps, though I also recommend bringing a form of revival (Arise and Curaise both valid). I ended up using both in my run, which was honestly pretty excellent regardless. I tend to luck out into seriously capable pugs on MO.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on May 15, 2017, 07:09:38 PM
Get hyped ladies and gents.

It's Kain week.

Prepare to see my cry!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 15, 2017, 07:51:13 PM
Get hyped ladies and gents.

It's Kain week.

Prepare to see my cry!

Preemptively: sorry, Scar.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on May 17, 2017, 01:18:55 AM
Just a heads up I will be changing my Vanille Transcendent Dream RW to Yuna with Song of Spira unless there is any objections~

I can keep it as Vanille if people want, I think it is the same people using her all the time anyway, although I think Song of Spira might help them too?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 17, 2017, 09:16:08 PM
My JP account is now U++ capable, as long as the U++ is a joke like the current iteration of Xande (or is it his clone?) – no physical offense, no piercing moves, no status, no phase/form shenanigans, and weak to holy. I had more problems with the ultimate Gaap/Hectonachir fight, mainly because I don't have the resources yet to keep buffs/debuffs going through a four-wave fight, no matter how fast I chew through the fodder. (Also because I forgot Vincent's burst isn't dark-elemental. Whoops.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on May 18, 2017, 08:42:30 PM
Apocalypse down!!!!

I am all that is man!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on May 18, 2017, 10:29:33 PM
A miserable pile of secrets?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on May 19, 2017, 02:08:31 PM
Got Kain's burst!!!!

*dances*
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 19, 2017, 02:24:02 PM
Finally, mang. Congrats.

Also, I looked at the banner and decided Edward's SSB would be really good for my mage parties - I've got no Support-based stackable MAG buffs and that would make my magical party compositions -so- much more flexible along with improving DPS -a lot- - not to mention I have multiple offense-based healer BSBs (Minwu's and Vanille are considerable examples. Rosa, Ovelia and Aerith also have damage-based entries, so it also serves them well enough). The rest of the banner only has two dupes and some fairly swank options too. So, okay. One pull.

Got 3/11, comprised of Rosa's Elven Bow (trash, used it as a Rosetta Stone as soon as I mastered the SB, since I already have her Burst), Cid's Thor Hammer (I guess it's good for FF4 CMs, given Kain's Burst) and Edward's Soul Harp. Yeah, mission accomplished. Just broke his third cap and went for mastery.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on May 19, 2017, 02:43:35 PM
Indeed.

Took 3 tries.

Got yang and Ceodore's burst.

Yang super dupe, Ceodore armor and rosa bow too.

I'm happy. I have enough for one more pull, but I'll save for that 8 banner...

Or the festival events coming up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 19, 2017, 03:36:04 PM
That FF8 banner is pretty good. Squall's second burst is so nuts it's still a top contender for physical damage and the whereabouts are nice too - Irvine's Burst is an excellent debuffing package and his pentabreak SSB's also solid. Selphie's USB is good, her Burst is quite interesting for mage parties (though you might want to make her an offensive unit if running that) and Raijin's Aura is great. Quistis' second SSB sucks and Edea/Zell SSBs are rather vanilla nowadays, but the latter at least are decently widespread FF8 synergy. I'm dropping a couple pulls there for sure.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 19, 2017, 04:22:47 PM
I've already got the Zell and Irvine SSBs, but the top prizes are so good that I'm dropping a couple of 11-pulls there anyway. Especially since they're about to throw 75 mythril at us.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on May 19, 2017, 09:26:20 PM
Indeed.

Took 3 tries..

3 tries, 2 years, 2 accounts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Reiska on May 21, 2017, 01:43:51 AM
My FF4 banner haul was Rosa's stupid bow and Edward's stupid harp, so yay I got the cool SSB for the character eternally gimped by collabs in global.

Quite handily in "f*** this game" mode right now. :V
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on May 21, 2017, 02:22:07 AM
Congrats Scar.

FFVIII banner plans of saving for thwarted by hey look random pop up Lucky Draws. Did the Summoners,  3/11, Farna Dress, Asche's Burst, and Hope OSB, no dupes!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 21, 2017, 03:23:42 AM
Yeah, DeNA is fucking evil, but hey, Lucky Draws.

Anyhow, ended up doing three pulls. First, Combat Lucky Draw. 2/11, Hewley Buster (uh i guess my physical FF7 synergy problems weren't solved ENOUGH) and Fang's Banescissors, which is actually kinda hot for my FF13 haul. First Summoner draw went 3/11: Cardinal (...), Elder Staff (I guess...) and a Hamelin dupe. I thought for a couple minutes and thought I could do another pull. Which went 2/11, with Reynn's Bablizz doll Burst and... Yuna's Conductor. Holy fuck yes. I'm not even sure I'm pulling on FF8 banner anymore, since one of the big reasons I was pulling there was getting a better Last Stand source than Minfilia's SSB and another one was getting a proper healer USB, which Yuna's DEFINITELY qualifies as. I'mma breaking her third level cap tomorrow as soon as I get that spare Lode.

Reynn's BSB is fine, too, since I lacked an Ice en-element burst and hers is decent enough. Lulu and Reynn should serve me pretty well against Magicite Fenrir, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 21, 2017, 03:26:46 AM
Combat lucky draw was the cure for my physical DPS woes. Cloud BSB2, Firion BSB, and DK Cecil BSB. (two out of three ain't bad!)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 21, 2017, 03:27:31 AM
Cloud BSB2 alone fixes every problem you ever had. You might want to hoard harder for his USB banner now, though. <_<
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 21, 2017, 10:29:32 AM
[20:02] <MagicFanatic> ...Wizard Rod (dupe), Tiny Bee (...), and dupe Blood Sword (...).
[20:07] <MagicFanatic> Combat LD gives me...  Firion BSB, Jecht OSB, and Bartz OSB.

The Combat draws were all new for me, so I got 4/22 new.  Had Jecht's BSB already, so that's another En-Element -> OSB combo I can use, and Bartz seems like he'll be useful for Magicite Dungeons now thanks to this.  I don't really have a good answer for Holy still outside of Hope BSB1, but Firion's BSB helps a lot.  So...  Net positive, I guess?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 21, 2017, 11:59:29 AM
Combat gave me Leo's SSB.  Not something I can be particularly fond of since I already have a better IMperil Holy in Beatrix's BSB.

Summoner gave me Ashe's BSB (Dupe) and Lann's OSB. 

...which pisses me off.  ON a Mage heavy banner, I get the one physical thing (well, one of three) because Lann had to have SUmmon 5 and be on the banner and god Lann, you're such a blech character.  I guess it's a 6* Fist, but even then, it's not THAT good of a stat stick since it gets Synergy practically never.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on May 21, 2017, 06:44:00 PM
Whelp, *hugs*

Congrats Snow, Shale, and Magic~

Yeah, Snow that thing is glorious. Had an Apocalypse++Ultros run this morning with L80 Desch/Marach, my L99 Yshtola/Yuna, a Ramza, another Yuna, Lightning, and Tyro. The Tyro spammed On Defense at the start, so he was on Wall duty, Desch and Marach had their bursts, also the Marach had Dire Heal, and something that put a countdown above his head? (not sure if it was Doom or not ... but why would someone do that ???), Ramza was on support with Shout, the other Yuna started off the fight with Hymn of the Fayth for high regen, and I was the main healer on Asylum and Tenets of the Fayth duty mainly, which left the other Yuna on main Soul of Spira duty, characters dropped a few times throughout the stages but guts/reraise saved us and two Yunas working in tandem is a beautiful thing as there was a point where the team needed back to back Song of Spiras to get it fully back on it's feet again and I fired off a Song of Spira after the other Yuna had used her's. Think I only had to use my Song of Spira once but yeah that was a fun fight. I think Lightning was the main offence~

For me FF8 banner is more a case of plugging some synergy gaps as it's one of my weakest realms synergy wise, something more up to date than Trabia's Light for Selphie would be nice, and a support Burst for someone not Wakka or Noel would also be nice. Yeah though not a matter of crisis if I don't get anything great anymore since Yuna USSB has me covered there (Eiko, Yuna or Selphie's were what I wanted and managed 1/3~) FF8 synergy is so awful apart from maybe Edea's Burst that most anything new would be good really I think. FF5 is also one of my weakest realms and I think there might be an event for that coming up soon too, heh I don't even have a medica there (at least I have Bartz OSB!?) So I'm trying to be spartan with my pulling even though Shantotto's coat, Prische's Burst, Edge's Burst,  Edward's harp, and Palom and Porom's Bursts are calling ~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on May 21, 2017, 09:34:26 PM
Combat:

2x Garland SSB
Sephiroth SSB2
Gabranth BSB

I went ahead and fused the FF1 swords because, despite being my only FF1 synergy, eh.   Beyond that, Gabranth is a one-man Dark team now (he also has his EnDark SB and a +10 from his SSB), in addition to being able to dual-boost on this draw alone), which he'd have to be if I was going to do that anyways so the option is nice I suppose.  Lots of stuff, all technically useful, but nothing exciting.

Summoner:

Yuna BSB
Eiko USB

So uh I have a +30 Eiko.  Also my... fuck, fourth?  Healer burst.  Give me my fucking Eiko Record Dive dammit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 22, 2017, 01:33:50 PM
I hate FF4 events so much. All battles in this set are absurdly annoying and unfun (WHY IN HELL IS BAIGAN AN ULTIMATE++?). Cagnazzo in particular I just decided to run Apoc+ solo because pug teams were brainfarting beyond all reason against him (I CAN'T PLUG ALL THE BASIC NEEDS WITH TWO CHARACTER SLOTS. IF I'M BRINGING HASTEGA, BREAKS AND WALL, SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO BRING DISPEL, GODDAMMIT). Team went as follows:

L99 Loserface (Full Break R4, Magic Breakdown R4/Dr. Mog)
L99 Yuna (Curaja R5, Shellga R3/Battleforged)
L99 Onion Knight (Dispel R4, Wrath R5/Mako Might)
L99 Shantotto (Chain Blizzaga R4, Chain Thundaga R3/Bolt From Above)
L99 Ashe (Sudden Thunder R4, Sudden Freeze R4/Ace Striker)

RW: Raines BSB

Ugly little fight. Hitting weaknesses and Raines BSB kept offense minimally viable for most of the battle, but the damage could get seriously overwhelming at times. Fortunately, Song for Spira is seriously amazing and got me through at least three pretty hairy moments in the late stages. At the end, Yuna ran out of Curaja charges and I was at death's door with all my PCs, but Cagnazzo was nearly dead. So, I YOLO'd with Keeper's Tome to buy another turn (nobody had died, but all of them had spent their Last Stand and I had -no- healing left), Shantotto landed Ice Play after Caggy missed a Sleep and Ashe closed the deal with a Sudden Freeze. Last Stand is so freaking good, guys.

EDIT: Also managed U++ Baigan CM in the meanwhile.

L99 Kain (Lightning Dive R2, Lifesiphon R5/Whatever)
L99 Rosa (Dispel R4, Wrath R5/Battleforged)
L80 Porom (Curaja R5, Protectga R3/Dr. Mog)
L80 Palom (Chain Blizzaga R4, Meteor R3/Light of Hope)
L95 Edward (Spellbend Etude R2, Full Break R4/Mako Might)

RW: Sentinel's Grimoire

Funny little fight. Palom mostly sniped the arms, casting Magic Barrage whenever the gauge allowed. Rosa was there to Dispel and spam Wrath, which would prove crucial when she got silenced through a major Silence resist accessory. Once she recovered from Silence, she just started CHAINCASTING Holy Rain, which led to a nearly impenetrable defensive game. Chaincasting healer bursts is good stuff, yo. Kain was my offensive lynchpin in spite of Thunder being resisted (in hindsight, I should've brought P. Cecil instead, but hey, it worked). Porom healed and buffed my offensive peeps while Edward provided buffing and minor breaking. Lost two PCs to the exploding arms at the end, but I just wanted the Holy Orbs. Hilariously, ended up mastering anyway.

EDIT 2: Apropos of nothing, with the Wisdom motes gained from Cagnazzo, I full-dived Maria and Ashe, which was actually kind of a pleasant surprise. Within the next month, I should be able to finish up Papalymo's Record Dive and get started on a healer dive (I'm between Vanille, Y'shtola and Yuna, currently my top three healers. Amazing how -one- relic can bring you from the dump heap all the way to the stars).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 22, 2017, 07:48:36 PM
Summon lucky: Hope BSB1. Okay, that's way less cool than my Combat pull. Still, I think that with my shiny new toys I can hold off on further (non-Lucky) pulls until Extreme Fest.

Also, I failed to complete D220 Yunalesca, thanks to pushing the fight off until Sunday and then spending all day out doing stuff. So much for.....whichever motes she provided.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 23, 2017, 02:26:03 AM
Oh shit we're getting support and celerity LDs tomorrow. Celerity I'll have to look at the relic list for, but a shot at all the support BSBs? Hell yes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 23, 2017, 03:27:18 AM
Oh shit we're getting support and celerity LDs tomorrow. Celerity I'll have to look at the relic list for, but a shot at all the support BSBs? Hell yes.

Celerity's big draw is getting stuff like Vaan's BSB and Lightning's BSB2. Support... holy shit there's just no way I'm not drawing there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on May 23, 2017, 03:44:21 AM
Fungahh! What Snow said re;  Cagnazzo and public groups. Finally had to bring both Dispel and on hand barrier striking myself, used Vanille/Yuna instead of Ysh/Yuna this time, had been trying with Ysh but, took a few tries with Vanille eventually lightbulbed on changing her ability set up to Dispel/Thundaga and set Yuna with Shellga/Curaja. Ran as host, landed with my Vanille, Yuna, Rydia, another Vanille, Tyro, and two Shantottos.  Vanille was right on point to get rid of Cagnazzo's speed up with Dispel as soon as possible every time, OK gave us the speed advantage with Vessel of Fate, Tyro walled, my Vanille, Rydia, and the two Shantottos blitzed the hell out of those barriers, the other Vanille was on Transcendent Dream duty which gave me room  to use Convalescence for Astra and even near the end Miracle Prayer for ability restore as well, thanks to Shantotto's Frightening  Lightning our lighting abilities were doing great damage even Thundaga, also the other Vanille was even able to chip in with Light Eternal at times for added offence, the Shantotto Ice Plays were especially nice, Yuna put up Shellga at the start then was main healer with Curaja and Tenets of the Fayth/Breath of the Heavens, also Song of Spira for Haste since our main party Haster OK got Stopped once, also for guts just in case, also had to poke Rydia awake once. The Rydia also used Odin for ... I'm not sure why. Been a while since Sage! Vanille was a thing but whew~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 24, 2017, 02:05:38 AM
Support LD: 1/11, Tyro USB. Not the niche I was looking to fill, but good to have nonetheless!

Celerity LD: 4/11, Orlandeau BSB, 2x Tidus BSB, Zidane OSB. Shame it's the worst of TG Cid's relics, but other than that, nice haul.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 24, 2017, 04:14:52 AM
Dropped a Leviathan Pack and 100 Mythril among both banners, since I'm not sure there'll ever be an opportunity as good as this to load up on Support BSBs. End results: Artemis Bow and Faris' Bracer dupes, Yoichi and Traitor Bow dupes, Air Knives dupe and Barret's Bracer dupe for the bad. For the good, though: landed Tidus' Apocalypse, Locke's Thief's Knife, Gordon's Heavy Lance, Nanaki's Platinum Barrette, Quina's Gold Hairpin and Irvine's Bismarck. The SSBs aren't -so- great, but the OSB and Bursts are pretty danged useful! In particular, Red's BSB fills a really nice mixed buff niche for when I don't feel like picking up Onion Knight and Tidus' OSB is my first real water-elemental SB, which I can even boost off both armor and weapon. I still wish I had more stackable breaks off the new toys, but I'll make do. I don't think I can even justify pulling on FF8 now, really.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on May 24, 2017, 04:29:59 AM
Support got me...  1/11 Minfilia SSB.
Celerity got me...  1/11 Thancred BSB.

Compared to my Combat and Summon draws, I feel a little cheated.

Also, here's a thing I'd like to ask people:

What would everyone say is the worst fight in an otherwise good realm for fights?  I mean, obviously we can throw FF4 out of the running because most of their fights are frustrating, but I suppose we can say contenders are...  Meltgemini from FF9, or Demon Wall from 12?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on May 24, 2017, 11:06:31 AM
Me IRL (https://68.media.tumblr.com/80ba5e3858cff061c7260bba1ddfebf3/tumblr_ognimm1znk1sob3v3o1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 24, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
hi greftar
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on May 25, 2017, 03:31:21 AM
Celerity Banner: Edge BSB, and Lightning SSB2.
Support Banner: Edward BSB

Not bad all things considered; got 2 BSBs, one of which is a Magic katana which can come in handy and helps toward a Water team with Tidus' OSB, and did want a Lightning Soul Break better than Blazefire Rush, and well, I got one.  Would prefer having something to synergize a bit with En-Thunder, but at worst, it's another +Lightning Armor, so can't complain about that.


As far as the Bonus Fights go...

Not bothering with the Cid Mission because it's annoying on a NORMAL Run, and Major Orbs are getting easier to come by so less necessary.  That said...

-Crushed the Ultimate fight, I can't even remember what it was.

-Baigan had me go in with Silence Resist across the board, having to resort to Alphinaud's Book to cover him because apparently there's very few Silence resist accessories even with me having Aerith's Ribbon.  Go figure, Alphinaud STILL got silenced but I won.

-The Apocalypse Fight I had to do twice since Raines and Papalymo died in the first run and that's 4 medal loss as a result.  Went back in slightly better prepared, like giving Terra Dispel instead of damage, since she's just Wrath OSB Spamming anyway, and mastered it.

-Cagnazzo, I threw Shantotto's BSB at him, and had pretty unremarkable fights as a result.  The Apocalypse fight involved a Lightning w/ her BSB2, Ashe with Ducks Decree, and like 3 Healer Bursts.  I think there was one other source of Lightning damage but who cares, we ripped him apart.  I was actually tempted to use Shantotto's CSB at him, but realized that when Tsunami drops, the CSB is pointless, so just stuck with spamming the heck out of her Ice/Thunder command.


And with that, another boring FF4 event with stupid Ultimates done.  As far as answering Magic's question...

Demon's Wall is up there, as is Ahriman for FF12.  Don't think Meltigemini really stood out in any particular way. 

The worst is probably Bartandelus and the Havok Skytank.  FF13 is, all things considered, a pretty decent realm for Fights, but Bartandelus is always a whore, and Havok Skytank is just an annoying fight that is offensive because it relies heavily on a stupid gimmick (melee immunity) that was essentially a "mild damage loss" in-game that turns into really dumb "half the cast can't do shit" scenario, in a setting that melee immunity should not be allowed.

Other Realms I can think of are either consistently bad (FF3 and FF4) or don't really have a stand out bullshit fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 26, 2017, 02:37:49 AM
Laguna event up! Dropped 50 Mythril on that banner, got Strange Vision and Beast Killer. Strange Vision was actually one of the top four prizes for me in this banner (MAG+MND buff is a really nice buff for mages and I also have Selphie's Dreamstage if I actually need AoE Curagas) and Beast Killer is a +10 MAG for Quistis, who still gets into my rotation every now and then due to the Burst being quite good even after all this time. No Betelgeuse or Axis Blade, but that's good enough.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 26, 2017, 04:38:38 AM
100 gem: Dupe Exeter.

Looked over the banner and decided that even with my recent gains, there's a good enough concentration of stuff to be worth pulling. And was it ever. 3/11: Selphie USB, Irvine BSB, Quistis SSB. Yaaaaaaaay support burst yaaaaaay healing ultra.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 26, 2017, 12:09:32 PM
Man, healing USBs so good, Yuna's been a lifesaver since I got it. I kinda wish I hadn't gotten a decent haul off the last pull on this banner now, since getting Irvine's BSB would be really neat (it's one of the best debuff stacking Bursts out there, second only to, like, Setzer), but after getting Burst Selphie Sticks and Beast Killer, I now have like half the banner's contents.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I can break Selphie's level cap again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 26, 2017, 02:29:11 PM
Yeah, I think Irvine just became a permanent fixture on my team even with his godawful weapon selection. Using Wrath to combo his BSB with his hyperbreak is going to be nuts against any boss that's not pure magic. And hey, if they are, that's what Vaan's for.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 26, 2017, 02:35:05 PM
Just be careful to not use Irvine's C2 if you're running Vaan as well, since both have the same debuff flag and overwrite each other (and Vaan's has double the effectiveness). Past that, the two of 'em work beautifully, just slap Wrath+Full Break on Irvine and let Vaan handle Power Breakdown+Lifesiphon duties.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on May 26, 2017, 02:43:06 PM
Congratulations!

I got a dupe Executor and Zell's Crystal Gloves. Not sure how much that helps my FFVIII synergy. Going to post my FFVIII stuff here for reference, not counting Blitz Swords, and shared relics.

... and single pull just gave me another Beast Killer.

Squall - Twin Lance
Selphie - Trabia's Light
Quistis - Sleipner's Tail, Beast Killer (3), Quistis's Dress ... wait when did I get THIS!?
Irvine - Executor (3)
Zell - Crystal Glove
Rinoa - Party Dress
Edea - Edea's Valkyrie

Huuhh, it's actually fairly decent?, at least better than I thought it was, didn't realize I had two Bursts :) I don't feel quite as bad about this realm anymore, Selphie would still like something new but I'm not hurting for medicas across the board in general. Hopefully remaining stuffs will fill out more with Lucky Draws~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 26, 2017, 02:51:22 PM
You have two Stitch in Time BSBs and a Hyper Break for FF8, you're pretty well-served for magical offense and debuffing in the realm. Your Medica being Cura-level and nothing else does kinda suck, but it's at least better than being stuck with a shared heal. I'd also recommend diving Quistis so she can actually have flexible ability setups (Black 5/White 4 is good stuff and you can have Quistis run an extra buffing slot like Proshellga or Faith, since you lack MT Boost/Faithgas on the realm. Wrath feels like a grafted slot there: while Counter Rockets isn't much in a vaccuum, Wrath-spamming that and her Burst, in conjunction with Edea, can lead to -obscene- DPS). Edea BSB is obscenely good too: she should be one of your premier mages with that. Bring her with Memento Mori to stack with her command 2 and Vessel of Fate and you should be able to consistently land six hits on her command 2.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on May 27, 2017, 05:14:48 AM
(http://new2.fjcdn.com/comments/Mfw+leveling+smithing+or+enchanting+_c8023245055e3b2ca7474ac2c3723f29.jpg)

Hi snow.   I still miss talking bbe (but not the emotional violence ;()
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 29, 2017, 03:49:24 PM
Emotional violence in the terms of RK was getting 11 3* before they implemented G5.

Anyhow, done with FF8 event. Selphie BSB is pretty fun, though I end up often bringing a second healer for the purposes of AoE Curagas. For the train, I brought her, Y'shtola, Papalymo, Faris and Ashe. I've realized having only two DPS characters actually doesn't -hurt- your overall performance as long as both of them are potent enough - and Papa + Ashe running their BSBs definitely qualify. This also makes Entrust setups more viable, since setting up SBs earlier = more long-term DPS. Nice stuff, really. I just wish I had Setzer's BSB so I could hand all my debuffing needs to a single person, his mitigation powers are absolutely ridiculous with that. As is, my best bet for that is Faris.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on May 30, 2017, 05:38:12 PM
With Magicite looming in the future I decided to get off my ass and beat the Nightmare dungeons. Most were pretty simple given power-creep – CPU in particular is really easy to brute-force now, and Necrophobe's stat adjusting is barely more than “noticeable” with a full synergy team. Oddly the most difficult of the ones I've cleared were Neo Bahamut, where I kept falling just short of killing the orbs before he ate them, and Evrae Altana, where I'd run out of spells before he ran out of HP.

For Neo Bahamut, the solution was to only spawn one elemental orb – that way Alphinaud can kill it with his BSB, which is impossible if there's two or more because you have to finish them at the same time. For Evrae, it was a matter of remembering that Vanille's BSB exists and can be RW'd. You'd think I'd have remembered that sooner since it's my sole healing burst in JP. Oh well.

Still remaining: Launcher (need more DEF/RES ignoring abilities, and possibly to dive OK for ninja) and Valigarmanda (fuck this gimmick forever).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 01, 2017, 02:40:56 AM
FF8 Event was uneventful for me.  Got a DL Team together to take down the Multiplayer stuff so that went over pretty well.  Didn't bother with the Cid Mission yet because meh.

Lucky Draws time!

I'm both happy and pissed at the same time, and the pissed is entirely my fault to boot!

White Mage Lucky Draw: 2 Lamia Flutes, Yuna's BSB2 (Dupe) and Arbiter's Apocrypha.
This would be why I'm pissed: See those 2 Lamia Flutes? I accidentally used one to upgrade the other rather than combine them into a Lamia's Flute+.  So I still have the USB, but I just fucked myself out of my first 6+*, mrf.  Might be tempted to use my "Get out of fuck up once free" card on that.
Black Mage Lucky Draw: 2 Terra's Legacy, Bablizz Mirage (...why is this NOT a doll?), and Wizard Rod (IV)

End result, ignoring the fuck up?
+10 Attack on Tyro (...yes, that's the all the OSB means to me, SHUT UP THAT IS ALL IT DOES!)
-Ok to be fair, it's also another 6* Weapon for Alphinaud to use, should somehow I be in a situation that I can't divvy up my Blood Sword, Wizard Rod and Iridial Staff properly...somehow I don't see that happening but it's there!
An Imperil Dark which is the one thing I lacked for a Darkness team, let alone on a BSB to boot
A 6* Rod allowing me to have a strong weapon on all my DPS Mage units regardless of realm (provided at least one of them can use Swords, and between Terra's OSB, Raines' BSB, Emperor's BSB, and Ashe's BSB, I'm pretty sure it won't be hard to slot at least one mage who can use swords...)
A far superior FF9 Medica than what I was using (Cura Medica w/ Reraise to Instant Curaga Medica w/ Last Stand and Hastega? HELL YES!)
A better +Ice weapon than the FF9 Ice Staff or FF4 Ice Rod...granted, only a handful of PCs can use it effectively, to be fair, if I want Ice damage, there's a very high chance I'll be using Reynn anyway

Yeah, I'm pretty satisfied with my Lucky Draws today.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 01, 2017, 03:52:25 AM
White Lucky Draw: Fairy Flute and Wizer Rod, so Rosetta Stone and combine fodder, respectively.
Black Lucky Draw: Exdeath's Armor, Artemis Bow (II) and Zeromus Shard. Rosetta Stone, +10 MAG to Maria and a seriously cool BSB I've been coveting since release. For the cost of a full draw, I think this is a net win. It'll take me over a month to get all the MC3 lodes I need to upgrade all the PCs with endgame-worthy BSBs/OSBs/USBs, though. I'm counting already Tidus, Fang, Red XIII, Gordon, Reynn and now Golbez. First world problems!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 01, 2017, 04:57:54 AM
Black draw: Dupe Jupiter Staff (the first one of which also came off a BM Lucky) and the potatoburst. That's one I've been coveting for a while.

White mages: Dupe Ovelia medica SSB, two copies of Rosa's burst, and one of Porom's. I can now heal the CRAP out of some FF4 fights, I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 01, 2017, 11:27:30 AM
Also, Porom's Burst has MAG+MND on entry, so it's where you want to go for your current mage meta needs. Easier to slot in your stackable faithgas if nothing else. Potatoburst is obviously fucking hot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 01, 2017, 01:39:02 PM
Yeah, Porom definitely has an advantage in mage meta teams - I'll still want to bring a mage shout, but like Eiko's burst for physical teams it'll give my offense an extra boost right as bursts start to get rolling. The trade-off is that the commands are mediocre as hell.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 01, 2017, 01:57:31 PM
It's at least functional for your healing needs - and, really, with Rosa+Porom bursts, I'm pretty sure you'll handle Curada Nightmare - open with Porom Burst, Wrathspam Rosa's Burst for offense off boosted Mind, your other clerics do whatever, toodles. If you have a second copy of Wrath, you can have Larsa on Entrust/Wrath duty to fuel Rosa's damage further.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 01, 2017, 09:13:37 PM
Banner Report

Black: Artemis Bow (II), Nephilim Flute (VI), Wizard's Gloves (XIV)
White: Magical Brush (VI), Lambent Hat (T)

No dupes, synergy for a hard realm, a top tier faithga, Healer Burst, and even Lambent Hat has some CM applications.  If FFVI had anyone else that could use harps it'd be somehow my best drawn in a while, instead it's just really damn good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 02, 2017, 12:30:37 PM
Decided to do a second pull on White Mage Nightmare because I got nifty toys from ALL THE OTHER Nightmare draws. Result was 5/11: Ceodore's Holy Armor, Fusoya's Lunarian Robe, ANOTHER Hamelin dupe, Curtana and Beatrix's Ultima Sword OSB. NOT COMPLAINING
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 02, 2017, 01:05:27 PM
After the Summoner and Combat draws, I proceeded to draw pretty disappointingly, but for my 150 Mythril, I got...

Jecht OSB (Combines with his BSB for another En-Dark -> OSB combo.  He can get Lifesiphon too, so that helps.)
Bartz OSB (Magicite preparedness?)
Dupe Blood Sword

Yuna BSB1 (I'm told this is good with her LMR.  That's...  Pretty far into the future, and only if I manage to draw it.)
Firion BSB (Instant MBlink with Holy damage is good, but I'm not sure what to make of the Burst Commands.  How do I get the most out of this?)
Thancred BSB (1/11 from the Celerity Draw)
Ceodore BSB (1/11 from the WHM Draw)
Reynn BSB (This mostly solves my issue of having no En-Ice Bursts.)

Minfilia SSB (1/11 from the Support Draw.  I can replace Ramza now if I get another Hastega somewhere.)
Papalymo SSB1 (...I have Ley Lines, and it's an En-Ice without BSB commands.  Chances of this seeing use are...  Exceedingly slim.)
Dupe Wizard Rod

So...  Not bad I guess for 150 Mythril.  Basically ~4 5*+/50 Mythril?  Still feels like I got a few disappointing draws, but still.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 03, 2017, 02:49:41 PM
Might as well post all my Lucky Draw results in one topic:

Summoner:
Lann's OSB (troll)
Ashe's BSB (Dupe)

Combat:
Leo's SSB

Celerity:
Edge BSB
Lightning SSB2

Support:
Edward BSB

White Mage:
Eiko USB (x2, which I ****ed up the combination of :( )
Tyro OSB
Yuna BSB2 (Dupe)

Black Mage:
Rydia OSB
Kuja BSB (x2)
Reynn BSB


Pretty darn good overall, especially after the first 2 were basically stinkers for me (Leo's SSB is not really exciting, and Summoner gave me a dupe and a troll OSB, wonderful...)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 05, 2017, 01:44:26 PM
Done with Gogo event's bonus battles. U++ Gogo CM was surprisingly painless in spite of sketchy offense and no Medica (my FF5 synergy is very support and defense-geared, my best damage burst for the realm is -Gilgamesh's-, whose schtick is very much tanking. Granted, with stackable MAG buffs and Hastega, it's really easy to slot in a Wall RW). He never used his gravity attack (and I even had set up for it with mass instant death resist accessories) and his damage is just sad when cramped by Wall -and- stackable debuffs. All glory to the HypnoFaris, I guess.

Apoc+ Twintania, on the other hand took me two tries. First time, I ran Beatrix and Tidus' OSBs, but by the end, Yuna and Ramza got nailed by Paralysis and that's all she wrote. Second time around, I swapped Bea and Tidus for Basch and Vanille and things went far more smoothly - I gave Ramza breakdown duties and handed Faris Sapphire Shot and Affliction Break instead, and having two healers was just kind of -overkill-.

Then, we had raid Omniscient, who, in spite of the potentially horrifying offense, was kind of a chump. He felt oddly slow and his AoE actually isn't that ample, but I guess they were trying to make him more accessible for people without awesome mage setups. I ran Maria/Potato and, in spite of Enochian Firaja being -tailor-made- for this fight, I had him on Ley Lines duty, since nobody else had a Hastega and the Alphinaud refused to use his Deployment Tactics SB. Not too much of a problem when he was running Aerial Blast instead, though. The impressive part was mostly Maria scoring 6-hit Breaks with only Burst Mode and Ley Lines, though. Fulldiving her's paying off even before Legend Dives are a thing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 07, 2017, 02:57:22 AM
100 Gem on Banner 2 got me Galuf's Burst.  Seems good, if situational.

RU LD got me...  Bartz's BSB2 and Seifer's BSB.  Bartz's BSB2 is serviceable and goes well with his OSB, while Seifer's...  Well, Reppu in chat had a few things that would go good for it, but it still doesn't feel very good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 07, 2017, 03:03:41 AM
Dorgann's Blade dupe and Mustadio's Stoneshooter BSB. Not what I was even -expecting- to get, but seriously not bad at all, a stackable entry debuff with an instacast DPS option for Machinist abilities should go nicely with my physical parties. Now, I just need to -hone- those Machinist 5* abilities...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on June 07, 2017, 12:29:27 PM
Thank yous Snow for the FFVIII advice :)

Definitely feeling more confident in FFVIII synergy now especially since -

Crazy morning -

Dungeon update LD Thoughts before pulling, especially want FFV stuff because I'm badly needing a FFV medica, still want something new for Selphie, FFXIV and FFT am good on *goes to pull* *doesn't really expect anything*  - 2/11 *rainbow and OSB/USB sounds* *expects Saintly Excalibur dupe* Hmm ... Sledgehammer (FFV) Galuf (Burst) and Sasuke's Blade (FFT) Ramza (Ultra) Wow did not expect that ... something for Galuf who didn't have anything before and Ramza's Ultra which I wasn't trying to get before and wasn't going to actively go out of my way for but I'll take it (already have his Shout and Burst so) Quite happy with this since one time LDs can sometimes be spectacular failures.

White Mage LD 1/11, ok so this wasn't this morning but 1/11 Eiko's Fairy Flute (Super) (...)

Support LD Also not this morning but 1/11 ... Edward Burst (dupe), and Last Judgement Grimoire ( ... ... ....)

FFV banner 2 Lenna Medica, Lenna Medica, Lenna Medica, please, please ... 2/11 ... Demon's Rod (FFV) Ex-Death Burst, Ghido's Whisper (FFV) Ex-Death (Unique)

White Mage LD - I decide to do multiples on this because opportunities like this don't always come along, a lot of medicas all in one place, and medicas are my thing, and first draw here wasn't the best so, 1/11 - Terra Legacy (FFIX) Kuja (Burst) (dupe) I ... I don't even. Game. Why you do this game. What is this? Kuja, you are not what I think of when I think main white mage, this is not a medica, you are not the mage I am looking for. Where are my Lenna and Selphie? Next, 3/11 *hears OSB/USB sound at end*  Ohhh ... nah it'll probably be something like Tyro's book or something.  Hmm ... Umbrella (FFVII) Aerith (Ultra), Wizer Rod (FFVII) Aerith (Burst) (dupe) and ... Crescent Wish (FFVIII) Selphie (Super) !!! Game you are forgiven.

Summoner LD See above except for Eiko and Rydia, 1/11 Cardinal (FFVIII) Rinoa (Unique) ( ... ... ... ....), next 1/11 High Summoner's Staff (FFX) Braska (Super) Should have stopped here but I thought I did a Meeple when I couldn't find the High Summoner's Staff when I went back into the menu again later, and that I had sold it, couldn't find it in inventory, then I checked FFXIII!? relics for it and couldn't find it, somehow did a derp and forgot it was FFX >_> 2/11 - Cardinal (dupe) (... ... ... ... ... .... ....), Mystic Whip (FFIV) Rydia (Super), Ok then. Decide to stop here because you know what at least it's *something* new for Rydia, not her Burst or OSB, but at least it's something that's not Shiva, and it's been months and months since she's had anything new at all.

FFV banner 2 Where is my FFV medica!? Decide I'm going to throw in the towel after this *pull* *hears rainbow, rainbow and OSB/Ultra sound .. something for Lenna!?, yesss, at this point I know I've at least got something .... it's not a full medica, but HP Stock is still nice and ... wait, another OSB/Ultra  sound, ok then ... 4/11 Moogle Pouch (FFV) Lenna (Ultra) x2, Nirvana (!!!) (FFV) Lenna (Burst), and Faris's Bracers.

Also snagged Gogo's Cap from yolos on FFV banner one.

Alright, Celerity, Combat and Black Mage LDs will wait until I see if I have/get enough Mythril before those banners go away but really I'm not entirely sure if I need to pull on Black Mage at all. Might post all the Black Mage stuffs I have here later for reference.  My most desired was something new for Rydia and I already got something now, I've also been informed infinite Rydia banner is coming in Japan, which will hopefully land here eventually. I would also like an infinite Vivi banner~

Combat also doesn't seem that exciting right now but I'll take another look later.

FFV and FFVIII synergy updated -

FFVIII -

Squall - Twin Lance (Burst)
Selphie - Trabia's Light, Crescent Wish (Dreamstage) (Super) (new)
Quistis - Sleipner's Tail, Beast Killer (3), Quistis's Dress ... wait when did I get THIS!?
Irvine - Executor (3) (Super)
Zell - Crystal Glove (Super)
Rinoa - Party Dress, Cardinal x2 (Unique) (new)
Edea - Edea's Valkyrie



FFV -

Bartz - OSB, Super (True Blade of Legend)
Krile - Sheepsong, Burst
Gilgamesh - Unique (Zanetzuken, Repentance)
Galuf - Burst (new)
Lenna - Ultra (new), Burst (new)
Ex-Death - Burst (new), Unique (new)
Faris - Sea Lord's Broadside, Serpent's Gale
Gogo - Super

I am especially happy with the Lenna haul, something new for both Selphie and Rydia, Aerith's Umbrella and very happy overall with those and getting Ramza's Ultra, and the FFV haul overall~

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 07, 2017, 03:20:45 PM
1/11 on the realm lucky, with a dupe Crystal Glove. Boooo.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 07, 2017, 09:06:54 PM
Realm Lucky:

Ovelia Burst
Mustadio SSB
Dorgan SSB

No dupes, doesn't really fill any needs, but +Wind sword isn't something I'll say no to, more guns is good,  and uh I guess I needed MORE Healer bursts because I have less than all of them?  Eh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2017, 02:25:32 AM
Ovelia's Burst not half-bad either, instant Curaja commands and MND+30% on a BSB with a Medica are pretty decent payoffs. I kinda wish she had an offensive option like Vanille, but I figure she could be pretty busted as a healer running a healing+ RM and Selphie's BSB, that's 2.02x MND buffing off the cusp.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 08, 2017, 04:16:52 PM
Legend sphere time! Also the banners got uglified, and we're getting an early FF13 event with Full Throttle (aka Jump Start) and one of the worst A+ bosses, because DeNa hates us.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 08, 2017, 04:53:03 PM
When lack of self-control pays off: I dropped 50 Mythril on the Select Nightmare Draw banner and got Aerith's Wizard Rod (dupe), Vanille's Physician's Staff (dupe) and Squall's Axis Blade. WELP.

EDIT: Also began Legend Diving Squall and Ashe - those gift 4* Motes were a godsend, got me to fully dive Squall and move further with Papalymo, who only needs another Wisdom Mote MO to be fully dived. Hopefully we get one by the time the next FF14 event comes up, since he gets his LD there.

EDIT2: I actually dropped a Leviathan Pack on the Lightning/Raines hype banner because the good stuff looked so GOOD. End result was another Meteorblaze, Cid's Finery and Raines' Glove (i.e. combine, combine and Rosetta Stone), Nabaat's Super -and- Burst and Raines' Metamorphose Claw AND Oversoul. Jesus crap, now I need to get MC3s for him AND Squall. Also, good thing Papalymo's almost done with his dive, because I need to Legend Dive Raines STAT.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on June 09, 2017, 04:13:17 PM
Excellent. Congrats Snow!~

Aaww, I already have Raines' two Supers, and Burst, though I didn't get them all the same time. Since I have Terra and i think Hope OSB I'm not exactly hurting for mage OSB so not sure I want to draw on XIII banner 1 for that one thing. Being a CT Banner 2 is currently eyeing me more for Vanille Rod of Thorns and Snow ice thing, also I don't have anything for Fang that I remember~

Celerity LD- Three rainbows, one disco ball, 4/11, Saintly Excalibur (FFT) Cid (OSB) (dupe/third copy), Orichalcum Dirk (FFXII) Vaan (Burst, Perseus Bow (FFXII) Fran (Burst), Light Rod (FFVII) Reno (Super)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 09, 2017, 06:35:19 PM
I've actually had Raines' supers since like his Burst debut event. The bizarre part is mostly that he's now going to have +40 to his MAG and outpace Papalymo as my highest-MAG PC even though I'm eventually Legend Diving both. Raines' Burst is just completely awesome because now I get an easily portable stackable MAG buff without sacrificing an offensive slot, FINALLY. Well, that and the insane DPS on his Burst commands. Raines is just silly.

Well, I guess his Overstrike's also useful for some instances of quick bursts of damage. If I use Memento Mori.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on June 10, 2017, 04:01:37 PM
Yeah ... I've been using him most recently against stuff that doesn't resist or is weak to him, Raines, Onion Knight (Burst), and Thunder God Cid are just all kinds of silly, Raines and TG Cid aren't even at L99 or dived yet either. Terra still pulls her weight with her Super/OSB but once she learns her Burst she'll be replaced with someone else who still has things to learn (unless anything new for her comes up) Current healer is Eiko with her Burst~

FFTU+ Isilud was dealt with really smoothly, didn't do final fight with Marach because I ran out of time but FFT event was fun times =)


Just finished with fully making my Saintly Excalibur too, Saintly Excalibur++, 8* L35/35 Augment 30/30, it's my first fully augmented thingy :)


Also I was saying not long ago that my FFXII options were lacking, now I have Asche, Vaan, and Fran's Bursts, about all I need now is a Burst or Ultra for Penelo or Larsa~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 12, 2017, 01:58:54 PM
What is pain: this event's set of Apocalypses. Off to the battles:

Apocalypse+ Proudclad

L80 Cid Raines (Wrath R5/Mental Breakdown R4; Battleforged)
L99 Yuna (Ultra Cure R4/Curaise R5; Mako Might)
L99 Ashe (Sudden Thunder R4/Chain Thundaga R3; Ace Striker)
L99 Vanille (Curaja R5/Protectga R3; Greater Good)
L99 Onion Knight (Power Breakdown R4/Full Break R4; Dr. Mog's Teachings)

SG RW

Good thing I pulled Raines' Burst on Thursday, 'cause I have no friggin' idea how in hell would I pull this off otherwise. The +30% to defense granted by Metamorphose was instrumental to keep the damage manageable, since the pods' damage can't be mitigated by breaks. Raines and Ashe worked the bulk of offense once their Bursts went up, while Onion Knight broke things, hasted things and stacked a buff for things. Yuna and Vanille stayed on healing duty - though Last Stand never made itself necessary, running two AoE Curagas makes things just so less stressful. Jump Start Proudclad was mostly the same thing, only easier because there's no gauge building to do and he's hardly any more durable than in the Apoc+ fight.

Apoc+ Adamanchellid (Solo)

L80 Squall (Lifesiphon R5/Snowspell Strike R2; Gathering Storm)
L99 Y'shtola (Curaja R5/Protectga R3; Dr. Mog)
L99 Yuna (Ultra Cure R4/Shellga R3; Battleforged)
L99 Onion Knight (Full Break R4/Affliction Break R2; Mako Might)
L99 Minfilia (Lifesiphon R5/Magic Breakdown R4; Ace Striker)

RW: Warder's Apocrypha

So painful, yet, less painful than trying to get it working with pubbies. Two Last Stand users were actually NECESSARY here - Adamanchellid's low HP Ultimate Trample x3 string is simply ridiculous. The scripted Bays also suck complete ass and he did NOT need AoE stun and confuse procs either. Outside that, it's actually not too bad! Too bad this much crap dumped onto its back pretty much simultaneously makes it completely ridiculous. Fortunately, Squall BSB2 ALSO is completely ridiculous. He was pretty much my only offense in this fight and yet that was -plenty-. I can only imagine how stupid he will get once I finally break his level cap a third time and complete his Legend Materia grid. Seriously, the pulls this week saved my ass against this event.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 12, 2017, 05:03:06 PM
U+ Adamanchelid is easily the nastiest D160 boss in a long time, so I can't wait to try the 220 version (yes I can). Proudclad should be at least sorta manageable with two healers and extra DEF buffing, either from Raines burst or Ramza's depending on how much extra I actually need.

Edit: Oh yeah, news from JP. They're going to refresh the mote dungeons soon and vastly beef up their rewards (I guess to give new players an easier road to legend diving) and more importantly refresh the daily dungeons to include a permanent EXP dungeon and farmable crystals.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 13, 2017, 03:45:51 AM
U+ Adamanchelid is easily the nastiest D160 boss in a long time, so I can't wait to try the 220 version (yes I can). Proudclad should be at least sorta manageable with two healers and extra DEF buffing, either from Raines burst or Ramza's depending on how much extra I actually need.

Raines BSB + Wall + Protectga should be plenty. You actually could do a pretty similar build to mine and make it work nicely, since you have Selphie USB. You can replace Vanille BSB with just about any Medica BSB you have and you're pretty much set.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on June 14, 2017, 12:37:28 PM
Jump Start battle wasn't working out so I changed from Terra, Eiko, TG Cid, Raines, and Onion Knight to Vanille, Yuna, TG Cid, Raines, OK, and finally to Vanille, Yuna, TG Cid, Raines, Ramza, and with Ramza in it's going better. Is it possible to do this fight without Wall?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 14, 2017, 02:33:43 PM
I would -not- want to run that fight without a source of Wall. If you have a good lightning-elemental BSB with proper offensive buffs, using SG/SSII as a RW is plenty.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 14, 2017, 05:52:42 PM
Yeah, I managed to clear both version pretty easily with just Ashe's burst for lightning offense and it worked out fine even with only one medica (but OK on healing duty). He's not so tanky that you can't burn him down with a balanced team, especially when Raines' burst is part of the equation.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 14, 2017, 10:10:33 PM
So, Apoc+ Proudclad done after...  A lot of attempts to master it and failing.

Failed parties (assume that Tyro and Y'shtola are included in each of them):
Ashe/Shantotto/Papalymo (Ramza USB, Alphinaud SSB, Orlandeau OSB)
Ashe/Shantotto/Garnet (Sheepsong)
Kain/Edge/Minfilia (Ramza USB)
Kain/Bartz/Minfilia (Ramza USB)

And then I win...  With the following:

Kain L99 - Lightning Dive R2/Lifesiphon R4 - Dragoon's Pride - Scholar's Boon
Ashe L99 - Sudden Thunder R4/Faith R3 - Dusk's Decree - Familial Bond
Minfilia L98 - Power BD R3/Armor BD R3 - Blessing of Light - Mako Might
Tyro L99 - Full Break R3/Wrath R4 - Sentinel's Grimoire - Dr. Mog's Teachings
Y'shtola L99 - Curaja R5/Protectga R2 - Asylum - Knight's Charge
RW: Vessel of Fate

Seriously, I have no idea why a mixed team was faster at killing this boss than any of my specialized teams.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 17, 2017, 04:44:57 AM
Holy crap. A+ Adamanchielid was a pain in the ass, but the team I finally brought him down with was downright hilarious. Two Squalls with BSB2 (and one with the OSB as well) but no boostga, three sources of Last Stand that we kept overwriting each other with, a Serah who was the only faithga in the team and had her ice burst so she was taking forever to build gauge and then chaining the SBs. Yuna had to use Song of Spira to revive people no less than three times. During the very weak phase he managed to confuse six characters at once. And yet somehow we still pulled it off with everyone alive. I've never hit the "Incredible!" stamp with as much sincerity as that, because WTF.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 17, 2017, 04:52:46 PM
You know...I can't remember what my DU Lucky Draw got me suddenly.   Weird.


100 Gem Draw on FF13 Banner 1 got me a troll 4*, because of course it was.
100 Gem Draw on FF13 Banner 2 got me...Fang's OSB.  Sure, can't complain about that!
100 Gem Draw on FF9 Banner got me Zidane's BSB2.  I also cannot complain about that.

Beat everything from FF13 Event, and yes, the Adamanchelid was a pain, but got to use Reynn's BSB at least.  Winning run involved getting to see Squall's BSB2 in action.

Proud Clod...I had a lot of lightning damage between Ashe and Shantotto BSBs, and Shantotto even used her CSB.  still was a pain and needed Garnet's SSB2 as an RW for extra healing and defense and STILL lost 2 characters.  I luckily full medal'd turns so mastery still, but annoying.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 19, 2017, 01:09:36 PM
What happens when a raid boss is weak to holy: I ran MO Soulcage in a pubby group with Cid Raines and Yuna and they ran two more Raines, Y'shtola, BSB2 Squall (for countering the self-flaming mechanics, y'see), OK and Loserface. The boss melted really fast, I didn't even get the time to land Cid's OSB, just spamming Metamorphose and Shining Moment did the trick. Having 7/8 of the party trigger a Last Stand when the boss was still at 80% HP proved it's never too early to pop Song for Spira, though.

Apo+ Ark met Alphinaud BSB and Cid Raines BSB (the MAG+DEF is really nifty even when the damage is resisted), Jump Start Ark met Cloud and Luneth OSB spam. The important part is that I got another MC3 lode, which went straight to Squall. I'm horrendously behind in my MC3 schedule, I still need to cap-break Reynn, Red XIII, Steiner because I managed to get his BSB, OSB AND Legend Materia on banner 1 and Nabaat at least. Possibly Gordon, Mateus, Mustadio and Tidus as well. Oh dear lord, that's at the very least -eight- weeks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 19, 2017, 03:54:48 PM
Or a shitload of real time spent grinding the 6 stamina event dungeon.

Haven't tackled Ark yet, but I kiiiiiiiiiiinda doubt a wind weak boss with no party restriction will give me any sort of trouble at this point. I'm actually thinking I'll leave Alph on the bench (which is not something I'd have expected a month ago) to bring a pure physical team of Zidane/Luneth/Ramza/Cloud/Eiko.

Dracozombie CM was fun, because I got to use almost all of my SSB+ gear for the realm -- Zidane dropped an imperil->OSB combo to blast through the weak phase where he spams Ultimate Zombie Breath all the time, Eiko got mileage out of her hastega SB and her burst, even Steiner's stupid Excalibur was useful for boosting damage from RW'd Basch burst. Good fight, if only thanks to the way my FF9 relics have fallen.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 19, 2017, 05:37:05 PM
Or a shitload of real time spent grinding the 6 stamina event dungeon.

Man, I'd so do that if it dropped farmable MC3 lodes. My problem is actually getting past that third cap break.

On more mundane news, Squall has his first Legend Materia. This isn't terribly relevant until I get his second.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 19, 2017, 06:27:50 PM
Oh, I was thinking in terms of a backlog of people to start work on, rather than not actually having enough MC3 lodes.

Edit: Holy fuck that Full Throttle fight was a massacre. After I got a stack of imperil on him, crit boost from Eiko and en-wind for Luneth and Cloud everything was capping, including Zidane's OSB. I might spend the 60 stamina again just for fun.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 20, 2017, 08:52:30 PM
DeNA announces an orbfest banner with Enkindler and Razor Carbine a mere week after the FF13 banner with those weapons vanishes. That's brutal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 22, 2017, 01:23:41 AM
FF9 Event finished, need to do Cid Mission, might actually bother but need to be non-lazy.  Soul Cage ate a team of a lot of Raines in MP.

And yes, I am going to whale like mad on Banner 4, I don't think I have to explain why!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on June 22, 2017, 05:19:22 AM
:)

I got Vivi's Hat from 100 gems .. what are the odds?~

Imperil LD, I wanted Laguna's gun ... 2/11 Seymour's Burst, and Laguna's gun!,  niice, dark team options continue to expand, and the one imperil ice there is~~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 22, 2017, 10:56:16 AM
Against my better judgment, I made a pull on the Imperil LD banner.

2/11.

Locke's Mirage Phoenix and Gabranth's Innocence.  Both are Bursts and neither are dupes, so I came out largely ahead.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 22, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
My pull on the Imperil Lucky went with an Imperial Highblade (Leo's SSB) dupe and Kuja's BSB. The game -really- wants me to run a high-powered dark mage party, this is my third Imperil Dark BSB, my fifth dark magic BSB and I even have Raines BSB to exploit that synergy like a champ. I wonder how good would a Raines/Nabaat/Kuja/OK/healer party be.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 22, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
Passing on the Imperil Lucky Draw.  I have 4 Imperils I can actually make use of (Wind, Dark, Fire, and Holy), and trying to save Mythril at the moment.  If it weren't for the fact that we just had 7 Lucky Draws, I would draw but with a fest around the corner, *2* Terra relics that I feel obligated to chase...you get the idea.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 22, 2017, 02:49:50 PM
I'm torn. I have 130 mythril now, want to pull twice on fest banners and once on Awakening Cloud, plus the BSB+ lucky. So the question is, can I pull together 70 mythril before Cloud USB goes away?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 22, 2017, 04:45:40 PM
Well... 70 sounds unlikely, but at least 40-50 you -should- pick if Cloud USB event lasts 10 days, since that'll be a day after the extra Mythril from the bimonthly FF Portal app campaign drops. Also depends on how many story dungeons you have left. I'm skipping the Curaga Lucky Draw myself, last time yielded terrible results and the dupe count remains off the charts. Nobody should ever skip the BSB+ Lucky.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 22, 2017, 07:02:18 PM
I bit the bullet because I have a ton of realm dungeons left that I can blitz if necessary. Payoff: Kimahri's BSB. Why yes, Lulu and Tidus would love that assist to their bursts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 22, 2017, 08:48:56 PM
Kimahri being useful ain't even a new thang, but it still feels SO DAMN WEIRD for someone who's been playing this game since the early days.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 22, 2017, 09:16:02 PM
1/11, also Kimahri's Burst.  I already had his Mblink SSB, but seeing as I also have Tidus Burst... well I guess FFX CMs are even less of a thing now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on June 23, 2017, 10:05:31 AM
Congrats on your pulls~

Curaga LD 1/11 - Penelo Super ... well at least I have two FFXII medicas now (Penelo Super, Larsa Cloud Staff) , so Penelo and Larsa can team up. Snow's right though, Burst LB is the better investment.

FFVI Banner 1 - 2/11, Ragnarok x 2, 1/3 - Davinci Brush!!!

First VI medica get .... and I should also probably start using Celes >_>

FFVI realm update -

Terra OSB, Burst, Super
Celes - Indomitable Blade, Burst
Relm - USB
Strage - Morning Star
Gau - Shiny Thing
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 23, 2017, 01:41:48 PM
I said I wouldn't pull on this Curaga LD. I lied. And got Eiko's USB for my troubles. So, I have a complete Eiko once again.

(There was also -another- Seraphim's Mace there, but that just got fused)

This said, I didn't have an instant Last Stand before, so this is insanely nifty.

EDIT: This actually tempts me to fully dive Eiko, but she still hasn't got a Legend Dive even now. And then, Y'shtola and Vanille are big contenders with their dualcast Legend Materia.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 23, 2017, 04:27:50 PM
Congrats. I suspect the only reason I've resisted the temptation is having Selphie's version of that effect already, because instant Last Stand does in fact kick a ton of ass.

JP notes: the joint FFT/FFTA event just opened. And if you thought FFRK loved its Tactics brokenness before, this one is even crazier. Ramza gets a new BSB that's a combination and upgrade for Shout and his BSB1 – enters with a Shout clone and en-holy, and the commands are a five-hit holy/non combo that doesn't build SB gauge, and self Wrath. Perfect for juggling his USB or his crit-boost SSB (both of which are on the same banner), and the attack command helps with bursting down bosses or shredding Full Throttle fights – where the downside just doesn't exist. Oh, and his LMR gives him automatic full ATB at the start of a fight, plus instant cast on his first action. Hello, initiative instant Shout, wall RW, USB to give party-wide instant cast....

Not to be outdone, Agrias gets a USB that combines en-holy shenanigans with Cleansing Strike's 50% ATK/MAG break, and throws in an EX mode that buffs knight damage by 30%. Marche debuts with an EX mode that gives quick-cast to all your front row fighters whenever he uses a knight ability (of course he's a knight. He's an FFT main.) and a burst that buffs party ATK/RES. Agrias and Meliadoul's bursts come back too, for all your physical tanking needs.

Jesus. I did one pull and landed Ramza's BSB2 (goodbye, Shout!) plus Marche's LMR that boosts knight damage when he uses a sword. Definitely going back for more when I get some mythril together.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 23, 2017, 04:48:49 PM
10:29 AM <MagicFanatic-mobile> ...So I saw Jo'ou's draw and got jealous, and did the LD myself.  Lara's SSB/BSB, Aeris BSB (a Rosetta Stone since I already have an 8* one), and Penelo's Ultra.

Thought I was going to regret doing this pull.  I now no longer regret it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 23, 2017, 06:44:36 PM
Larsa's BSB is just amazing and Penelo's USB ain't half-bad either. You're never ever having trouble with healing in FF12 content again. Congrats.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 23, 2017, 09:17:29 PM
LDs are just always a draw, so...

Vanille BSB, Minwu SSB, Selphie SSB.

No dupes, FFII synergy is always a plus, Vanille BSB... Selphie SSB would suck if it was a 1/11 but it's not, and I DID entirely lack FFVIII medica.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 23, 2017, 09:45:47 PM
In Selphie's defense, her SSB still IS a pretty solid Medica, and I find myself juggling between her Burst and SSB whenever I run her. It's a pretty fun utility/healing mix, though you might want a SB gauge-boosting RM for her. Minwu with both his SSB and BSB can be worked similarly, and was key in my winning Nemesis run three months back.

(GRANTED, if it happened again today, I'd likely just run Eiko and Yuna with infinite Last Stand Curaga spam, so whatever)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 23, 2017, 10:08:15 PM
Yeah, for context there I would not have drawn on it at full price.  Current healer SBs is like...

Minwu- SSB (new)
Arc- both SSBs
Rosa- SSB and BSB
Lena- SSB
Relm- BSB
Aeris- SSB
Selphie- SSB (new)
Eiko- SSB, BSB, USB
Yuna- BSB2
Vanille- SSB, BSB (new)
Y'shtola- BSB (also SSII because fuck it)
Ovelia- BSB (also SSB)

Sad thing is I still didn't feel like pulling off the last FFIV CM.  BUt then Baigan can get fucked.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 24, 2017, 12:44:56 PM
BSB+ lucky, here we go!

4/11, all bursts: Ceodore, Kefka, Tifa and Zidane 2. Solid pickups, since they're all in realms where I need extra DPS -- and Zidane now has his en-wind/OSB combo!

My plans for the fest may be changed now, too - I was planning a pull on banner 2 instead of Celes 1, but Tifa's burst is a dupe thanks to the lucky draw, and I could use those FF6 faithgas to enable Kefka. Hmmmm...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 24, 2017, 01:05:24 PM
3/11

Lion burst, Fang OSB, Raines OSB

Free XI weapon, first mage OSB (with bonus universal element boost), and now I have a +30 fang with an En-Element+OSB combo.  Daaaaaamn.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 24, 2017, 03:27:19 PM
BSB+ Lucky!...

1/11...

Rinoa BSB.  A dupe.  Out of *everything* available on this banner, I go 1/11 dupe.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 24, 2017, 04:29:03 PM
Pulled only on the 3rd Lucky Draw because "BSB+" is kind of hard to argue with.

Got Edge BSB (Dupe) and Hope OSB.  Not bad.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 26, 2017, 05:56:18 AM
I went 2/11: Sabin BSB and Orlandu OSB. So uh yeah, this season's Lucky Draw final tally was fully fruitful. 6/33, two combinable dupes, two nicely party-padding Bursts, a marvelous USB and the best OSB in the damn game. Weirdest part is having a high-end Sabin - I also have both his SSBs, which makes him, in conjunction with the BSB, a pretty darn utility-geared monk. Too bad I have Refia and Yda both with their BSBs and Yda even has both SSBs, so he has fierce competition in that regard. Granted, I'm pretty sure I could make a functional elemental monk party now, since I could slap Galuf for Imperil Fire shenanigans and Yda functions pretty well as a break monkey when she has her BSB - that and I have more than enough fists and daggers to run monks pretty easily almost regardless of the realm. Funky, really.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 26, 2017, 01:28:08 PM
Event and Mired in Crisis fights done, Chaos CM aside. I don't really want to attempt it because I have literally -one- synergy piece for it and Ultimate Gaze sucks on a realm with no people who can even use Affliction Break. I might try a poverty setup (saw some people who pulled through on Reddit with setups I could easily achieve) since Chaos' offense actually isn't very dangerous, but AoE Stop just sucks - like Fiend just showed me once again. I recruited some pretty solid pubbies for Fiend and it worked nicely enough, though, by the end, we had a dead Lightning, Tyro 1 and Tyro 2. Relm and Yuna from the pubbies did real serious work keeping the party alive regardless. I ran Ramza and Orlandu - and Orlandu OSB is seriously wtf when hitting weakness, holy shit running a fight 24/7 at triple casting speed is ridiculous. He really was the offensive workhorse there. Lightning was also pretty great, since she ran her BSB2/USB combo, even landing a capped OSB IN SPITE OF LIGHTNING RESISTANCE before dying. That was pretty glorious. MagiMaster CM was mostly the Terra/Celes show once again. Weird how Terra manages to deliver even with her BSB when needed in spite of it being so outdated.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 26, 2017, 05:38:21 PM
My plans for the fest may be changed now, too - I was planning a pull on banner 2 instead of Celes 1, but Tifa's burst is a dupe thanks to the lucky draw, and I could use those FF6 faithgas to enable Kefka. Hmmmm...

Mistake. I pulled on FF6 banner 1 and went 1/11 with a dupe Death Tarot. My only dupe on the banner. God dammit. Currently blitzing realm dungeons to try and get together enough for a fuck-you pull in addition to the two I have budgeted. I don't mind the opportunity cost because none of the upcoming banners beyond Cloud USB are particularly attractive anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 26, 2017, 06:50:23 PM
Things I wish I had: Terra's upcoming USB. Running her OSB via Wrath-spamming under Gathering Storm RM and Papalymo's Ley Lines is kinda sexy (that's how I manhandled Apoc/Jump Start Chadarnook), having that EX Mode while doing that would be so ridiculous.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 26, 2017, 10:04:39 PM
Was making the most out of Summoner Orbfest, since while it is no longer a big deal thanks to Thursdailies, I do need to "catch up" on Summon Orbs and waited until now to do stuff so...lots of catch up has been going on in the past 24 hours, still not caught up!  Going to be a boring few days of just ripping things apart!


I did pulls on FF6 Banner 2 and got:

100 Gem: Crap
1st 11 Pull: Vishnu Vest (Sabin LMR), Sabin's Armlet (SSB2), Whale Whisker (Strago SSB)
2nd 11 Pull: Vishnu Vest and Sabin's Armlet (...what are the odds -_- )
3rd 11 Pull: Tiger Fang, Asura Rod x2

And so, I now have a +50 Terra!

Also got Mog's BSB on the 100 Gem on Banner 1, I can't complain other than "GIVE US HIS RECORD SPHERE DAMN IT!"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on June 27, 2017, 02:58:18 AM
So, instead of saving my Mythril for Banner 4 like I wanted, instead I made one pull on each Banners 1 and 2 tonight.

Banner 1: Kuja OSB, Cid Raines BSB, Firion BSB dupe.
Banner 2: Noctis OSB, Cloud OSB dupe, Maria BSB.

So yeah.  Huge upgrades for me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 27, 2017, 02:04:22 PM
Pulled off the Chaos Cid Mission by stacking Master Monk with Attack boosting and damage boosting alongside Meteor Crush and Omega Drive and slapping a Celes BSB2 RW on him. This made the whole thing actually -rather easy-, since Ultimate Gaze is runicable and you can stack an insane amount of attack buffs with the commands. 32k damage a pop! So uh yeah. Right now, I'm just levelling Noctis and Devout. I should also put Golbez back into rotation. Saving the three MC3s I got for after banners 3 and 4, which are where I'm going to pull at all.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 29, 2017, 12:31:54 PM
Beat Despair Sephiroth, but no mastery; couldn't DPS him down before Octaslash #10.  Strategy was this:

Alphinaud: Drainga, Meltdown, Mako's Might, has Deployment Tactics and Aerial Burst
The lynchpin of the strategy, since a lot of the damage is through Deployment Tactics.  This is a fight where you really need to keep things carefully, so Sephiroth beating himself up helps.
Eiko: Protectga, Curaja, Ace Striker, has her USB
The instant cast USB w/ Last Stand and Haste are incredibly valuable.  Casting that as soon he fires off a Dispel of Despair, as it gets me back on my feet, provides a cushion for whatever else he may throw at me, and my only form of Hastega.
Yuna: Ultra Cure, Shellga, Knight's Charge, Miracle Veil and Tenet's of Fayth
Pretty much pure healing duty, her BSB and SSB2 both see use depending on circumstance, shouldn't have to go into details.
Arc: Curaga, Curaise, Battleforged, Word of Kindess and Renewing Rain
He has Magic Blink that also provides Shellga (good for freeing up a turn for Yuna to do a medica or something) and Heavy Regen, as well as an instant Medica to back up Eiko that also provides Blink as an extra cushion.  He ultimately died mid-fight due to bad RNG, and I wonder if he would have survived if I had given him those 6 extra levels (he was 93), and his 3* record Spheres (makes him go from 4800 to 5300~ HP, so meaningful difference)  If he was alive, it could have made the difference too since he was using Vanille's RW mostly for DPS Purposes, plus adds another hit for Sephiroth to smack himself with.
Tyro: Full Break, Magic Breakdown, Dr. Mog's Teachings, Sentinel Grimoire and his BSB
Should be straight forward what Tyro was doing; he always does the same thing these days!

I RW'd Vanille's BSB because it's instant, is a healer BSB and has damage attached on one of it's commands. 


I don't know if this team can actually DPS him down fast enough if I manipulate the ATB more with Deployment Tactics, have Alphinaud use Aerial Burst earlier in the fight, and keep Arc alive to get more turns of Vanille off, so the question is "are 30 4* Bravery Motes worth the trouble?"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 29, 2017, 02:40:41 PM
JUMP START TORMENT BAHAMUT IS A BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITCH.

Ahem.

So yeah, pulled off the CM. Setup:

L99 Cloud (Omega Drive R2, Pound R4/Truthseeker)
L99 Luneth (Aerora Strike R5, Dragoon Dive R3/Illustrious Dragoon or whatever the +30% Jump damage RM is, since his OSB is Jump-typed)
L99 Ramza (Full Break R4, Magic Breakdown R4/Flower Of The Sea)
L99 Onion Knight (Full Charge R4, Armor Breakdown R4/Adventurer's Dagger)
L99 Arc (Curaja R5, Protectga R3/Zeal)

RW: Sentinel's Grimoire

I gave Arc a Haste RM so he could drop his Shellga+Magic Blink+High Regen SSB early. A single casting of Shellga lasts you more or less the entire fight off 500+ MND, so I could save his remaining gauge for emergency Word of Kindness casts. With both his SSBs, Arc is seriously self-sufficient as a healer in Jump Start fights, which surprised me a lot and actually made this CM a lot more viable. Still, there's the looming issue that you have to squeeze -every single drop of DPS you can- out of this fight, saving the big shots for the wind-weak phase. I used one of Cloud's Finishing Touch charges to -get- Bahamut to the weak phase, since otherwise I'd spend a dangerously long time bereft of Sentinel Grimoire. Fortunately, the two following shots of FT and the three charges of Luneth's Heavenly Gust were enough to handle the endgame, but it was very close. This fight is all about managing your resources -very- carefully, since he can stall you out until the end of time with Curaja spam once you're out of bursting damage. Slugfesting-wise, he's not particularly dangerous.

As for Maw of Despair Sephiroth, I managed a clear yesterday with Raines/Terra/OK/Y'shtola/Eiko, but no mastery, since only Raines was left standing. Today, I managed mastery with a Cloud/Squall/Ramza/Eiko/Loserface party. Difference: I had one more character alive. Instant Last Stand is seriously stupid good.

EDIT: Three pulls on phase 3 net me husbando Raijin (both his Pauldron and three copies of his stick. Well, now I have my optimum Cloud USB RW monkey as long as Lightning isn't resisted), Orlandu's BSB, a Shantotto BSB dupe and enough Ashe armor stat sticks to solve my formerly perennial mage armor problems in FF12. Could've been better, could've been worse.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 29, 2017, 05:27:45 PM
Threw 2 pulls at banner 3, hoping for some Lightning relics to compliment  her OSB (she's +30 for me).

Saintly Excalibur x3
Ashe Burst
Orlandu SSB

Not what I was going for but damn, can't argue with that return on investment.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 30, 2017, 04:03:54 PM
I decided to skip banner 2 and throw another 50 mythril at FF6, got Mog's ATK/DEF break SSB and Setzer's ATK/RES break. That has me set against physical bosses in the realm, so obviously it was time for an almost purely magical U++ fight! Then I did my 11-pull on banner 3 -- neither of the OSBs I really wanted, but three new toys: Shantotto BSB, Orlandeau SSB, and Raijin SSB! Lifesiphonable Guts/party instacast? Don't mind if I do.

MagiMaster CM: Surprisingly straightforward tank and spank. I went with a pure non-elemental team for the CM run, with Celes bringing Draw Fire to deal with his occasional physicals that hit for 3K without mitigation. Once I figured that out (my first try used Magic Lure) it was a simple win. Ultimate Ultima only hit for ~1200 through MBD and Setzer's FBD, which was particularly surprising, but that's not a complaint.

Chardarnook: This fight is dumb. Hoops to jump through every couple of turns at least, omni-resists, insta-wipe if you mistime an ability, a hugely luck-based opening round. Once you get all of that in order it's not challenging in the way tough FFRK fights usually are, it's just frustrating to keep all those balls in the air without forgetting to count the demon form's turns or something. Full Throttle was way simpler -- haste RMs on Papalymo (my holy/fire spellcaster) and OK to get things rolling immediately, full ATB on Yda to call in the wall RW before big damage arrives. That takes almost all the luck out of the first turn and then it was just a matter of keeping the three-turn rhythm going.

Bahamut: Did the D200 CM. Took a bit of S/L to get trash mobs that didn't shred me (or force me to use a ton of healing early) but after that it was smooth sailing. Luneth BSB dealt the lion's share of damage, OK brought his BSB and FB, Desch handled PBD/MBD, Ingus brought armor and mind breakdown, plus the Sentinel SSB to attract flares (and which did perfectly respectable damage), Arc's SSB2 is a godsend for cleaning up Megaflares. Biggest surprise of the run: Desch used Selfless Spirit! And it legit helped! With that and Onionburst, he and Ingus were hitting for ~7K damage with breakdowns.

Sephiroth: Ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 30, 2017, 07:14:33 PM
Sephiroth: Ow ow ow ow ow ow ow ow

I don't think I've had a fight as ugly as this in a very long time. I've never seen that many Last Stand triggers in a single-player fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 30, 2017, 07:18:56 PM
I have three last stand relics and I'm strongly considering bringing them all and RW'ing a fourth. It's pretty brutal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 30, 2017, 07:46:31 PM
I have three last stand relics and I'm strongly considering bringing them all and RW'ing a fourth. It's pretty brutal.

Depending on how you handle the fight, one may be enough as long as you don't mind doing it sloppily. With Raijin's Last Stand, your benefit is getting a party-wide instacast for putting buffs back up if you time it well. I ran Eiko's because instant AoE Curaga+Hastega+Last Stand is ludicrous, and you have Selphie's - which is almost as good. If you have a good phys stackable debuffer (hint hint: you have Irvine's BSB), you may as well forfeit Wall entirely, the three Dispel triggers are just despair-inducing.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on June 30, 2017, 08:16:08 PM
I'm kicking around two different strategies for the fight. One is a Nemesis-esque setup with four people spamming heals and Last Stand while Alphinaud yells "stop hitting yourself!" until Seph explodes. The other is a more traditional party where Raijin allows instant rebuffing after every phase change and I DPS him down as normal. I'm not sold on Irvine as a wall equivalent there because of the magic nukes, though; the version I'm workshopping now involves Tyro bringing Wall and RW'ing Fran's burst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 30, 2017, 08:39:00 PM
I ran Eiko's USB on both my winning attempts - having two shots of a panic button on demand is way too good. Meteor... eh. FB+MBD+Shellga+ makes it -sorta- manageable, and the Meteors are just so scripted. He also stops using them entirely at his low HP phase.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on June 30, 2017, 10:13:01 PM
It's a fight that single handedly demonstrates why Ultimate Dispel is complete and utter bullshit, and having to deal with it not only 3 times, but him having damaging combos immediately after only emphasizes it further.   It's the one mechanic I will never defend because it has never been well implemented.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 01, 2017, 01:21:34 AM
It's sadly not even among the lowest echelon of implementations of the mechanic if only because the game has so much more in the way of safety nets than it did back when it was common. I still remember Ultimate Barthandelus and his Ultimate Dispel COUNTER.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 01, 2017, 02:33:34 AM
So, banner 4. First pull: 3/11. Apocalypse, Lightbringer and Magical Brush. Um yeah, ridiculously good. Then, I try a second pull because my debuff game could still be stronger. 4/11, being Evoker's Doublet, Veil of Wiyu and Excalibur dupes. This feels like a rethread of last year's fest Banner 1 shenanigans. Still, just no reason to complain about it, I should just full-dive Terra ASAP.

This said, I had still a pull left. So, I did a pull on the FF12 banner, since I got Balthier's LM off a single. Reks' SSB shield and Balthier's BSB2. Yeah, this just kicks ass.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 01, 2017, 04:28:49 AM
Sephiroth mastered! Went with a Raijin-centric party that used Raines for DPS and slow-walked all the transitions so I'd have Tyro, Y'shtola and OK ready to instantly re-buff on the frame after Dispel of Despair was finished. It took a bunch of S/L before I had the timing exactly right, but once I did, it was as good as over. Aura is REALLY fuckin' good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 01, 2017, 06:35:59 PM
It's sadly not even among the lowest echelon of implementations of the mechanic if only because the game has so much more in the way of safety nets than it did back when it was common. I still remember Ultimate Barthandelus and his Ultimate Dispel COUNTER.

Remains to date one of the worst designed Ultimate fights.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 02, 2017, 12:33:19 AM
It's sadly not even among the lowest echelon of implementations of the mechanic if only because the game has so much more in the way of safety nets than it did back when it was common. I still remember Ultimate Barthandelus and his Ultimate Dispel COUNTER.

Remains to date one of the worst designed Ultimate fights.

Indeed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 02, 2017, 02:56:39 PM
I threw so much mythril, and like 18k gems Banner 4, and I FINALLY got Apocalypse.  Yes, I am kind of annoyed I had to resort to whaling (though I would have given up after the last pull regardless; I have my limits), but at least I got what I wanted.

I think what gets me is a lot of the DL had no problems getting Apocalypse, yet I wanted it the most :(


That said, because of this whaling, I think I'm going to hold off on the 100 gem Pulls for a long while now.  I have to cut back on something, and while this won't be a lot, it should alleviate it for a while.  I'll spend what gems I have left currently, but then no more buying Gems at least for a long time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 03, 2017, 02:51:38 PM
Recent achievements: maxing Raines, Squall and Golbez, obtaining their respective RM3s. Also levelled Reks to L80 and got his RM2 a little bit after getting Noctis' RM2. Currently levelling him, Balthier, Steiner and Raijin to L99 because why not. My next MC3 is likely going to Relm because lelburst, though I might reconsider and slap it on someone like Nabaat (Wrathable stackable debuff from a mage, I seriously lack truly good stacking MAG debuffs and I have her complete toolkit otherwise) or Mustadio (also covers stackable debuff woes, but for physical parties). I mean, it's not like I -lack- healer options, it's kinda ridiculous even. I'm also reconsidering the idea of making Raines my first fully LM-dived mage, since I have Terra's USB now, but I still have to fully dive her first.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 04, 2017, 04:53:00 PM
So, done with FF12's bonus battles and whatnot. 100-gemmed banner 2 and the game dropped Fran's BSB on my head. THANK. YOU. Relm's MC3 can wait another week, I'm levelling Fran RIGHT NOW to 99.

Anyhow, the fights were pretty vanilla. Apoc+ Daedalus never really had a chance with that Holy weakness, I just ran Raines+Eiko in a pubbie with ANOTHER Raines+Loserface, Hope+Y'shtola and Basch+Eiko. Three healers and two Raines = yeah, that's not a hard fight. His OSB is a nice damage burst for the late parts of a fight, too. Main thing was mostly getting sweet Wisdom motes to pump Terra with, though I didn't complete her grid yet. Still need another batch of Wisdom+Spirit to close her and Raines off.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 05, 2017, 02:16:17 AM
I only have 33 mythril at the moment, but I threw a buck at the Awakening Cloud banner and came away with Cid's Javelin! That'll do for a start.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on July 05, 2017, 02:30:07 AM
Green MPhone from similar situation.  dicey if I'll have 50 mythril by then, although I'm not 100% I wanna pull here anyway despite having some good complimentary relics for this (Ramza's Chant for starters)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 05, 2017, 04:41:44 AM
I did two pulls, walked away with two Heavy Vulcans and an Ultima Blade. I wanted Cait's Blue Megaphone, but I'm not risking myself further after getting something I wanted early in a banner with this many dupes and downright junky consolation prizes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on July 05, 2017, 10:04:59 AM
100 gem: Combat Shotgun
1/11 Heavy Vulcan, 1/11 Ultima Blade

Just for that I'm diving Barret
Also going to myth up for 3rd try #yolo
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on July 05, 2017, 10:48:46 AM
I was waiting for the summer fest banners to come back, but apparently they aren't. Go me~

So -

FFVII Banner -

1/1

Enhancer ... I honestly forgot Zack was a thing for this banner. Wow.

FFXII banner 1 and 2, singles were duds.

FFXII Fran banner -

2/11 -

Artemis Bow, Yoichi Bow

FFVII Banner -

3/11 -

Ultima Blade (dupe), Javelin (dupe), Blue Megaphone

Decide to keep pulling because I have -no- Sephiroth stuff (except from ancient unique)

1/11 - Enhancer ( ... )

2/11 - Force Stealer, Green Megaphone

Stopped there.

Hoping to be able to do a multi on FFXII banner one later, unless DeNA pulls a surprise ninja stealth drops all the summer banners again even if they didn't do it on purpose last time or something~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 05, 2017, 01:00:17 PM
If it's any consolation, USB+BSB2 combo on Cloud is -horrendously- broken. If you have a crit damage buff like Chant, you're dropping absolutely insane amounts of damage. You also should Legend Dive Cloud now.

EDIT: done with the event, failed to master Ultimate++ with the CM team because Jenova DEATH died before I landed Multibreak. Oops. Came back with Raines/Terra/OK/Y'shtola/Fran, in which Terra KOed Jenova DEATH from over half health with a single Scorching Flames post-Omen. Girl feels like a goddess right now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on July 05, 2017, 01:39:04 PM
The last couple of events have been shit for me.

I did pull clouds USB and sephys bsb on this one.

Guess it's time to change my RW!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on July 05, 2017, 03:55:39 PM
Congrats Scar!~

Thanks Snow. Before I obtained Cloud's USB I had been thinking about making Ramza my first legend dive. Has Ultra/Shout/Burst and for future proofing for his BSB2 and stuff~

Not a lot makes it past my Vanille/Yuna/TG Cid/Raines/Ramza team. Even been able to pull off some Jump Starts without Wall, and most of Mired in Crisis and Maw of Despair was a breeze sans Sephiroth who I left too late to have the time for figuring out timing and synergy with, even bringing Yshtola in didn't work out, sure I could have came up with something if I hadn't left the event so late though. Surprisingly I used Convalescence over Transcendent Dream for most of Mired in Crisis/MoS~, Astra is so good when you don't have a lot of good status resist equips.

FFVI Jump Start I ended up bringing in Terra for, disappointed to miss out on her Ultra but Super/OSB combo is still quite sweet =)

Mainly been cycling between Vanille, Yuna, TG Cid, Raines, Ramza, Onion Knight currently with Terra or Alph being brought in as needed.

Don't have Chant unfortunately, was hoping to get it from summer fest =( I think Zack's Chain has crit buff though, and I also picked up his Burst a while back. Yeah, my FFVII synergy seems all kinds of crazy. Getting something for Cait Sith was something I'd been looking forward to for a while as well.

What I'm really happy about though, along with getting something for mog kitty, is Fran's Ultra. As ice is one of my favourite element in general (ice, water, ice/water) and dark/ice combo is cool =) Game seems to love giving me Fran relics for some reason, had one of her uniques from way back, game dropped her Burst along with Vaan's for Nightmare Celerity LD, and now her Super and Ultra >_>

Also on the bright side all the Mad King Bahamuts should be quite feasible now with new FFVII stuffs, I have Luneth wind stuffs too, could also bring Onion Knight, and Arc, for Cid's Missions, for those coveted Spirit Motes towards mage/healer diving~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 05, 2017, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: CT
Don't have Chant unfortunately, was hoping to get it from summer fest =( I think Zack's Chain has crit buff though, and I also picked up his Burst a while back. Yeah, my FFVII synergy seems all kinds of crazy. Getting something for Cait Sith was something I'd been looking forward to for a while as well.

Yes, it does. They synergize very well, between Wind chains, crit damage buffing and straight attack buffing. I'm kinda jealous you got Cait's BSB, I wanted it to have a complete kitty. Granted, I'm already -so short- in MC3s to cap-break people with...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 05, 2017, 07:30:37 PM
I still don't have enough mythril for a full 11-draw on the Cloud USB banner, but who cares when people on my RW list have struck gold already? Time to mangle D300 Bahamut.

Party: OK as jack of all trades; FB, Curaja, BSB and OSB (unused)
Luneth with Dark Bargain, Sky High R1, BSB and Swordshower SSB (higher multiplier than the Eternal Wind entry)
Cloud with Hailstorm (unused), Magic Break and BSB2
Zidane with Mug Bloodlust, Dash & Slash, BSB1 and OSB
Arc with Ultra Cure, Shellga and instant curaga SSB.

Strategy is simple: get all my buffs and mitigation up ASAP (including Zidane's burst to get access to Steal Power), en-wind Cloud and Luneth, summon the USB and murder the hell out of Bahamut, hoping that he keeps using physical attacks at least every other turn instead of chaining together Megaflares because unless I was already charging two heals when one of them goes off I can't recover quickly enough to survive another without Word of Kindness. The big stumbling block, oddly, was keeping Cloud alive -- he was almost always the first person to die in any given run, even after I stopped using Hailstorm (which got him murdered by even a mitigated Megaflare), and would invariably go down before he could use a SOLDIER-powered Cloud Cycle. Finally he managed one and then died to a ST physical, and that was enough to push me across the finish line. Luneth got the final hit in with an 80K damage Sky High, and I collected my Spirit Motes. Yay, brokenness!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 06, 2017, 07:59:46 PM
I scraped together enough for an 11-pull! I'm down to 0 mythril, but it's okay because I'm either set for or preemptively giving up on Cid missions until the Bartz USB event anyway, and besides it's all worth it because that last pull got me.....uh.....Cait Sith's full breakdown SSB.

God dammit, RNG.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on July 07, 2017, 04:57:53 PM
#goingbig

http://i.imgur.com/GYRETUw.png

#wenthome

i bought mc3 for rufus and his 8* combat shotgun, and barret because he can use it
barret meta incoming
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 07, 2017, 05:18:45 PM
JP update: Ashe just went full godmode, USB that chases black magic with 2-6 hit lightning attacks depending on the hone level of the spell you used. R5 Chain Thundaga = 8 hits with a decent chance for 16 thanks to LM.

Also, this event debuts ATK/MAG and DEF/RES breakdances, which....holy power creep. An AOE reverse wall would be enough to put someone in my JP A-team today, and here it is as an ability.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 07, 2017, 07:35:22 PM
JP update: Ashe just went full godmode, USB that chases black magic with 2-6 hit lightning attacks depending on the hone level of the spell you used. R5 Chain Thundaga = 8 hits with a decent chance for 16 thanks to LM.

Chain Thundaga will be buffed to four hits, so it's more like 10 with a decent chance for 20. That's every Shantotto CSB owner's wet dream.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on July 10, 2017, 05:09:45 AM
Please tell me this Jump Start Bahamut fight comes back.  I can't figure out how to beat it with three helpings of dead weight (I have 5 SSBs for the realm: Luneth, Ingus, Refia, and 2x OK), and I want to just wait until later.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 10, 2017, 01:33:00 PM
Please tell me this Jump Start Bahamut fight comes back.  I can't figure out how to beat it with three helpings of dead weight (I have 5 SSBs for the realm: Luneth, Ingus, Refia, and 2x OK), and I want to just wait until later.

It does.

Anyhow, FF14 event bonus battles: "oh Rhytahtin halves all elements, I guess Terra wouldn't be too optimal but as long as she deals like 45k with her OSB it'll be fine" - *Wrath till two gauges.* *Omen.* *Scorching Flames.* *RESIST.* *99.999.*

WELP. That was very silly. Potato Burst also did something similar with Astral Fire popping 6k per -resisted- hit, which was immensely funny.

Apo+ raid Titan wasn't -too- bad either. My winning run involved running Fran for debuff stacking/Affliction Break duty and Yuna because Song for Spira is seriously godly on raid battles. As luck would have it, we needed revival in the first three turns of the fight, at which point Yuna popped that USB and things began sailing smoothly. I feel like I've gotten pretty comfortable running support and healing in MO. Doesn't hurt that now my support options are good enough in terms of stacking and my healing repertoire is just beyond nuts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 12, 2017, 02:49:14 PM
Finished FF14 event and did both raids.  Gotta finish the FF12 event next.  Couldn't beat Jump Start Bahamut, unfortunately; just don't really have the means to deal with his healing at this point.


Also saw Terra triple cast Chain Firaga in Cape Westwind for 9999 each hit.  That was sure a thing!  Also the most difficulty I've ever had with Rhitathyn ever, which is bizarre because it's viewed as the "Face roll lol" trial in Trial Roulette.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 12, 2017, 03:21:17 PM
DU Lucky Draw net me another Lambent Hat, Zidane's Vest and Beatrix's Force Shield. Combine, oh hey another vest for FF9 and finally a holy boosting physical equip. Beatrix also can use the Enholy+OSB combo, which could be pretty useful on Shadow Dragon's Magicite dungeon. Regardless, it feels vaguely ridiculous to have such a stacked Knight set for FF9 (both Steiner and Beatrix are essentially fully kilted sans an irrelevant unique SB. Hell, Steiner has his effin' LM!) while I have absolutely nothing for Vivi since Oak Staff, which was my first character SB ever. Oh well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on July 12, 2017, 10:34:37 PM
I too was foiled by the dastardly dragon. End result I got Luneth, Zack, Arc leveled to 80, made a White Mage Robe+ and a Gungnir++, created Hailstorm, Full Charge, Dark Bargain, created and refined Tornado Strike, fully record dived Luneth, picked up Sky High, got Cloud to L99, record dived and legend dived just short of his second legend materia at least. Managed to beat the 200 and 250 before doing all this, but the Jump Start ultimately thwarted me. I had a final run where things were going very well (eventually figured out that I needed to time it so Cloud unleashed all his stuff after Luneth really got going instead of trying to burst with both of them unleashing everything at once only for my party to eat back to back Megaflares) only for my game to crash and my battery to run out of juice), I'd also replaced Arc with Yshtola by that point hoping at least to get the two man clear for Cid's mission but no go.

Rising Sunned/11 for the Dungeon LD >_>

Beat the Imperial Titan with Luneth/Zack/Cloud/Yshtola/Ramza and got the Spirit Motes from there at least which softens the blow somewhat.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 12, 2017, 10:46:11 PM

Anyhow, FF14 event bonus battles: "oh Rhytahtin halves all elements, I guess Terra wouldn't be too optimal but as long as she deals like 45k with her OSB it'll be fine" - *Wrath till two gauges.* *Omen.* *Scorching Flames.* *RESIST.* *99.999.*

He only cuts elements by 20%, so anything that does well against a neutral enemy is perfectly viable in the A+/JS fight. I used the imperil holy/Raines BSB combo to hang him out to dry.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 13, 2017, 07:04:35 PM
DU Lucky Draw got me Lulu's En-Ice SSB and Kimhari's Magic Blink SSB.  Well, that was disappointing; seems FF9 DU Lucky Draws continue to suck for me even when they don't give me FF9 stuff.

Also glad everything is basically done and I'm caught up, since it means I can take it easy in RK for a while now, since it was getting kind of tiring.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 13, 2017, 07:47:23 PM
1/11 on the lucky draw, Gaffgarion's BSB. That's certainly a thing that I didn't have before and now I do.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 14, 2017, 04:49:15 PM
So...I think we have a new winner for Soul Break animations...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C8mLkLyc58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C8mLkLyc58)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 14, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
Kefka's OSB managed to be more amazing than his original SB -and- BSB1, which were already feats in and out of themselves. That's just beautiful.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 17, 2017, 08:01:54 PM
Done with FF10 event's battles. Nothing terribly notable, JS Seymour Omnis in particular was a wuss because crit-boosted Shout+Chant shenanigans are busted as fuck. Squall and Cloud just slurped the boss' HP. Raid battles I just went solo and Seymour Natus was ridiculously easy solo. Terra+Raines made him explode about as hard as Squall and Cloud did Omnis.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 17, 2017, 10:27:19 PM
On Saturday I ran the Magus Sisters mote CM as a trial run for the U++ and tore it to shreds with the combo of Kimahri's imperil water and Tidus' burst. I accidentally killed Mindy first so she got revived and I had to kill her again, and it was still a curbstomp. I figured that meant I was in shape for the event. NOPE. Ultima and Holy will wreck shit without wall or a stacking MAG/MND debuff, so I ended up taking Kimahri's burst out of the rotation so he could spam Mighty Guard instead. DUSK LANCE TO THE RESCUE AGAIN. I still had a bunch of deaths when an Ultima got through and missed mastery on the CM run, but I won!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 18, 2017, 02:00:40 AM
Speaking of which, are you attempting the Torment CM, since Geosgaeno's slated to come back tomorrow?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 18, 2017, 02:57:07 AM
I'll at least give it a shot. I've got stacking physical mitigation for FFX, and can use water resistance to deal with Tsunami....hopefully.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 18, 2017, 03:44:33 AM
Magic Blink is helpful against Tsunami. It's such a rare move until late in the fight that it really makes a difference, and may mean the distinction between living or dying (multiple runs of mine ended due to an untimely Tsunami when my magic mitigation was down. Granted, all that's left for me now is the Jump Start, but I'm likely going to regret not MC3ing Tidus right about now).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 19, 2017, 01:06:12 PM
D200 CM down. Only saw Tsunami twice in the winning run and was able to mitigate it enough through water resistance that Kimahri could use his SB bars on Aqua Breath, which is good because I needed that imperil water to deal enough damage to stand a chance -- with it, water boosting armor and Hyper Mighty G, Tidus was still only dealing about 4K/hit with his ST burst command. Even got mastery despite only Tidus and Kimahri left standing at the end.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 19, 2017, 04:00:11 PM
Jump Start Geosgaeno CM down. Ramza died at the end but who cares, Squall's BSB2 melts faces. I just maxed his Legend Dive thanks to the motes from this Jump Start, by the way. Now to have enough motes to complete Fran's dive. Or maybe focus on Cloud? Iunno.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 20, 2017, 03:26:38 AM
Jump Start Geosgano CM'd.  Here's my set up (everyone at level 99 and all 3* Motes used at minimum):

Tidus: Sapphire Shot, Full Charge, Truthseeker RM, has his OSB and +40% Water through equips (Force Stealer + FF9 Golden Hairpin if you were wondering)
-Tidus is obviously just DPSing; Full Charge is filler early on, Sapphire Shot for raw damage later on, and the OSB Spam when he's weak to Water for some quick burning him down when my other Soul Breaks are running thin.

Jecht: Dark Bargain, Fires Within, Dark Fate RM, has his BSB, +20% Dark through equips
-Jecht is my other main source of damage, and the big thing here is he'll be making use of Cloud's USB, since I can set him up with so many buffs and his BSB when backed up by all the buffs can do up to 17k per hit if I'm lucky.  He basically opens with Dark Bargain, then his BSB, then RW's Cloud, then goes damage crazy.

...if it's not obvious, Jecht is the Front-DPSer, while Tidus is the Back DPSer.  This will make more sense when you look at...

Ramza: Full Break, Magic Breakdown, Argent Hero, has his USB, SSB, and SSB2
-Pretty straight forward, Ramza's a Breaker.  He opens with Shout, then his Chant, and that allows Jecht to do absurd damage. I plan my 2nd Shout later in the fight because at that point, Jecht is starting to run out of steam, and Tidus needs the consistant damage bonus more than Jecht does since the OSB is too valuable.  Chant has the added bonus of Stoneskin as well, allowing some breathing room for Yuna to hold off on her Soul Break charges as well.

Yuna: Ultra Cure (should have been Curaja), Protectga, some Mind Boosting RM, has her SSB2 and BSB
-Another straight forward character.  Both Miracle Veil and Tenets of Fayth see use here, and which I decide to use depends on circumstance.  I generally open with Tenets because the medica is handy, but sometimes I need that higher healing + HP Stock for added comfort.

Tyro: Hailstorm, Armor Breakdown, some +Damage RM based on his weapon, has his BSB, Sentinel Grimoire, and OSB (...ok, yeah I can't pretend that last one is useful <_<)
-Open with Sentinel Grimoire, then go with his BSB for both Shellga, and that Magic Blink, as well as some more debuffs briefly.  Armor Breakdown mostly there snice Tyro's damage isn't meaningful, I might as well give the damage push to the team as a whole.

Also every character had Instant Death Resistance for protection against regurgitate; appaerntly "minor" isn't good though as Tyro and Yuna got hit every time, oh well.
Won the fight with Tyro dying but whatever.  Amusingly, I accidentally fired off Miracle Veil late in the fight when I intended Tenets of Fayth, but looking at Geosgano's health, I figured this was basically a DPS race anyway, and by the time the difference would be meaningful, the fight would have been decided.  More amusingly is that I used Sapphire Shot on the last Tidus turn instead of the OSB, going "CRAP!" because the OSB would DEFINITELY kill at that point...but Sapphire Shot did 20k, and Geosgano died...meaning that mistake may have saved me in the end if only because of the faster charge time.

Anyway, that was a lot better than the Bahamut Fight, because it didn't have a stupid COUNTER HEALING gimmick.



Also finished all the FF10 content save the Cid Mission, using Mage Meta.  This includes the MP stuff.  Seymour Natus kicked my ass once because I couldn't stop lock him and unmitigated Thundaga = OW.  Turned around, went back in with a Dancer instead of a Breaker, and that turned out to make the difference.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 20, 2017, 05:39:14 PM
Cleared out the FFX event and Torment. Nothing else in the event was nearly as challenging as the U++ CM. Seymour Omnis was handled with an RW Grand Cross that fueled infinite Omega Drives from Firion, while Vaanburst and SG mitigated the Ultimas. Jump Start was even easier, you barely have to worry about dispels with the ability to refresh hastega at will. Natus was....well, holy weak. Raines. Kaboom. Bringing a Mind Breakdown on Minfilia made stop-locking his second part pretty effective. First D220 MP boss I've handled offline in quite a while!

As for Torment, the D250 took me more time/frustration than the three-man Jump Start CM, oddly. The former was a huge slog, with multiple times getting to the last 10% of his life only to wipe to a Regurgitate/Tsunami combo or some other such nonsense, while I only had one failed attempt at the JS where I ran out of steam because Tidus kept getting swallowed and couldn't make proper use of SOLDIER brokenness. Since he's my only en-water user I had to be careful about wringing every point of damage possible out of the Ultra Cross Slash charges, rather than just spamming SBs like I did against Bahamut. Honing Sapphire Shot to R2 ended up pushing me over the top, since it does significantly more damage than his BSB command 1.

Team was Tidus/Rikku/Kimahri for the CM, with Ramza juggling Shout and Chant, and Y'shtola mixing wall and her BSB.

WTF EDIT: Also, if anybody still needs Shout or Wall, Keeper's Choice 2 (which has both in addition to some out of date BSBs and Bartzcalibur) is currently spitting out 5* relics 100% of the time.
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Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 20, 2017, 09:19:58 PM
It's also a way to game for OFF-BANNER RELICS if you're willing to waste Mythril for the lulz. I tossed a 50 on the banner because it sounded like my easiest ticket to finally break 300 Attack on Squal (his BSB) and sure enough: two SGs, FOUR Platinum Swords, a Physician Staff, a Masamune, an Excalibur and two Twin Lances. Padded out some 5**s and now I'm about to land a 307 Attack Squall once I master the BSB. I'm never using it ever, but at least watching eleven rainbow orbs drop is pretty cathartic. Someone got Cloud's OSB from it, too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 21, 2017, 02:50:34 PM
Next two events are dropping Vitality and Wisdom 4* motes and I eagerly anticipate full-diving at least Fran and Balthier. Finally diving Raines ain't bad either, maybe I can finally advance on one of my healers. Rebirth Dungeons will also show up soon and I'm likely LDing either Terra or Raines. Plans, man, plans!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 21, 2017, 04:33:02 PM
I'm definitely diving Raines ASAP, and Ramza/Tryo are also high up the list (although Tyro needs another dose of Wisdom motes after Raines is finished). Beyond that I'll hold off until I snag some offensive USBs, since most of the legend dives are meant to complement them. Maybe Cloud.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on July 21, 2017, 06:03:18 PM
Bah!

Missed out on the glitched banner.

Ah well, I have most on the list.

Wondering if I should pull for type 0, or wait for a better banner...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 24, 2017, 01:29:08 PM
Type 0 bonus battles done, absolutely nothing to talk about. Fire-weak boss = lulterra.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on July 24, 2017, 03:56:49 PM
The Type-0 Event honestly sucked, for one simple reason:

It feels at least 6 months out of date.  One Banner which ok, only 3 characters so that makes sense, but bonus only 2 bonus fights, and they're both absolutely nothing special?

It makes the event feel like "awww, you want 5* Motes? **** you, we're stalling that lol!"


So yeah, it's a dead easy event that should have been released way earlier (Soul Break Power Creep not-withstanding), and kind of insulting it came out now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 24, 2017, 03:59:34 PM
It even feels like they put Bravery Motes on the MO so people wouldn't get as annoyed by the missing fights. Not having a Jump Start to pick up 5* motes with still sucks ass, though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on July 24, 2017, 08:09:22 PM
On the one hand I can understand not wanting to do A+ fights on a brand-new realm because it would be seen by a significant portion of players as a "pull on this banner or YOU HAVE TO FIGHT THREE D220 BOSSES WITH NO SYNERGY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GIVE US MONEY" ploy, but they could have spread out the usual rewards over lower difficulties without breaking things too much.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 31, 2017, 05:47:43 PM
Finally done with FF8 event. King Tonberry is complete bullcrap, I ended up running a Hit n' Run solo strategy with Squall/Ramza/Raijin/Yuna/Eiko with Cloud's USB RW to completely wreck the little shit. On other, more benign news, I pulled twice on banner 2, which net me Rinoa's CSB, LMR and BSB2 and Fujin's BSB. Yeah, got pretty much everything I wanted from that banner except maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe Edea's BSB, but not sure if I even CARE now with THAT haul. Good stuff. I should be able to fully dive Balthier and Fran once I get the Wisdom motes from next week's raid battle, too, and complete Raines' dive to boot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 03, 2017, 02:53:42 AM
Galuf SSB = loleasymode. Beat the D220 on the first try with no healing other than my Eiko USB RW. It's about time I got some use out of that.

Realm lucky: 1/11, dupe Luneth SSB. Well that was a waste.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 03, 2017, 03:19:40 AM
Speaking of wastes, 1/11 Iga Blade dupe.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on August 03, 2017, 10:14:39 AM
1/11 Onion Staff dupe here.  Man, this LD was awful for a bunch of people then.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 03, 2017, 02:41:02 PM
I'm not too annoyed because at least my pulls on FF8 event banner 2 were great. Fujin's Burst, Rinoa's CSB, BSB2 and LMR, which seriously amps up my mage teams -and- hands me a get out of Magicite Fenrir for free card.
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Post by: Cmdr_King on August 03, 2017, 08:56:47 PM
Dupe Fang OSB and Sirius Sidearms (I have Sazh's burst so... +10?).  I'm pretty set for FFXIII but hey, OSB weapon+ isn't horrible for 25 mythril.
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Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 03, 2017, 10:04:05 PM
After MC3ing Fujin, I decided to cap-break Tidus and Kuja in order to make use of their OSB and Burst, respectively. I'm likely cap-breaking Nabaat next, since a Kuja/Nabaat/Raines trifecta sounds -insanely- powerful. After that, probably Gordon, since I'm done with Red XIII. I don't really have plans to pull on any even this month (apathetic about FF7 content since I already have Terra's OSB/USB combo, FF4 got delayed to September and I'm not sure I care about FF15 yet. Second event sounds like a better bet to pull on), so I don't really have to save MC3s for the month. I need to figure out what to do about my Wisdow/Spirit 5* motes besides Legend Diving Terra, though. Tough choice between starting Raines or diving Vanille.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 03, 2017, 10:05:09 PM
I've ignored the FF2 torment until now because my synergy for the realm was garbage before I picked up Firion's burst, but I finally gave it a shot. For D200 and D250 I brought Tifa, the owner of my sole en-earth, as the star of the show. Otherwise I relied on Onionburst to clear trash as usual, Faris for dances and the AOE reverse wall, Y'shtola to heal and provide backup SS2, and Firion for extra damage and emergency magic blinks. Plus the trash let him build up to eight-hit Chain Strikes! Both fights were unpleasant slogs, but not impossible.

D300, though...that was just fun. Finished the three-man CM with Leon, Gordon and Minwu as my FF2 reps, with Agrias and Ramza rounding out the team. Ultra Cross Slash abuse, of course. Gordon and Minwu are full-time healers and bring Pro/shellga. Ramza Shouts, Chants and then starts breaking stats. Leon uses HOTE for even more ATK. Agrias spams Divine Ruinations that start at 4x20K per use under SOLDIER mode and scale up from there as the imperils start to stack, and Leon uses Darkborn Blade to deal a comparatively piddly 3x22K. Never needed to use abilities for either of them.

That leaves just the D200 CM and the FF2 mote CM as the only stuff I have left to clear, and both of those are going to wait for another cycle, I think.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 03, 2017, 10:30:59 PM
You may be able to pull off the mote CM without too much effort just with Firionburst, methinks. The fight's so heavily slanted towards magical damage that the MBlink can do a huge number on the losers and they're still sporting last year stat spreads. The D200 CM takes a bit more effort (I managed with Minwu BSB as my trash-clearing method way back when, but I also had Gordon's AoE ATK+MAG debuff, Josef's ATK buffing SB and his healing SSB, along with a then full kit for Leila with her Boon clone and SSB. My Leon still had the same tools as yours), though.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 04, 2017, 01:02:03 AM
4/11

Fang's OSB (Dupe), Delita's BSB, Sazh's BSB, Arc's SSB2 (Dupe)

Can't really complain about that, even if the Disco Ball turning into a dupe is disappointing
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Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 04, 2017, 02:08:36 PM
Dropped 50 myth on the Vincent May Cry banner, came out with Shelke's SSB and Nanaki's USB. WELP. I might have to Legend Dive him now, he can cover all my buffing needs besides Mind by himself and I -did- need a status blink SB. A -Wrathable- status blink SB that also doubles as a Hastega and a crazy flexible stackable ATK buff? Don't mind if I do. For MAG buffing, I can run his BSB too.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 04, 2017, 03:54:53 PM
You may be able to pull off the mote CM without too much effort just with Firionburst, methinks. The fight's so heavily slanted towards magical damage that the MBlink can do a huge number on the losers and they're still sporting last year stat spreads.

I'll be damned, it worked. Required a shit-ton of S/L, but I was able to make it through with a 2.5 white mage setup (Maria and Minwu healing, Gordon carrying FB/Protectga) thanks to some old Turk Bombshell RWs and timely use of Firion's burst entry so I'd never have to deal with multiple awake enemies.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 07, 2017, 01:56:55 AM
I fought Tonberry legit, won twice, because I didn't get mastery on the first since he decided to abuse netcode and make instant attacks have a 10 secnod charge time.

Sap completely kills netcode and ****s with everything, they should never put it on an MP Fight again.  Also that fight was stupid and should feel bad.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 07, 2017, 12:29:53 PM
Haven't played JP for a while but there's a spellblade lucky draw going on that looks shiny so I logged in and tried my luck. Two disco balls.....Bartz OSB and Orlandeau OSB. So I guess I should pick it up again?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 07, 2017, 09:02:21 PM
Vincent May Cry bonus battles, in stark contrast to FF8 event battles, were remarkably straight-forward. Gobbled up those Wisdom motes, full-dived Fran, Raines, Balthier and moved forward on Fujin's. Took the opportunity to grab a MC3 lode for Nabaat as well, since she plays very well off Raines and Kuja shenanigans. Also started on Terra's Legend Dive, capping out her MAG and picking up Fire magic boosts.
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Post by: Meeplelard on August 08, 2017, 02:42:33 AM
The only tough part about VMC I found was Shelke's Dispel.  Even with all the resistance I blasted them with magic and won.  The "/Non" thing really comes in handy!

Haven't done the MP yet.  I mostly LD'd Terra myself, finall getting her LM1.  Still have to wait until I acn get her LM2 which apparently is key to her using Soul Breaks at a speed that would make Ninja skills blush.
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Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 08, 2017, 02:57:38 AM
Forgot to mention I also completed Fran's Legend Dive. 20-seconds-long breakdowns and 35-seconds-long SBs sounded really tasty, especially considering Fran's my best debuffer by miles (I have all her SBs sans Whip Kick and Vanquished Cries, neither of which is terribly relevant for my reasoning). Fran + Fujin would make for a completely beastly debuffing force on magic-heavy fights and they also work great in mage parties due to stacking RES debuffs. Not terribly useful for Magicites, I guess, but I think I have enough stuff to manage all of them sanely... well, all but Liquid Flame. I really hope Tidus OSB and Rikku BSB are enough there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 09, 2017, 05:32:32 PM
Shelke was a pain in the ass just because of the timing needed to refresh buffs after her dispel and also keep Wall from lapsing, but other than that the FF7 event caused little trouble. CM was a piece of cake thanks to Cid! Shout, so that was nice.

Rebirth Rufus was not only easy, but a welcome change from all the omni-resist bosses lately. God, those things are monotonous.

FFT Torment: SMASH. I completely brain-farted the Jump Start by bringing Protectga instead of Shellga so by the time Cloud USB ran out and I was slugfesting Belias, he managed to nuke everybody but Orlandeau. Who then killed him with BSB command 1 and came away with mastery. Just need a few spirit motes and I can fully dive Raines...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 09, 2017, 07:16:44 PM
FFT Torment: I finally managed to do the 200 CM (I lacked Rafa -at all- to make it viable, since Heathen Frolic Sarabande more or less solves the boss fight... just for it to be delayed months and have to face a bevy of new FFT-related toys, including four BSBs and an OSB Belias is weak to). Jump Start involved Beatrix dropping 190k Knight's Protectors and 75k Saint's Cross under Chant and Cloud EX Mode. Cloud USB meta is silly.
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Post by: Shale on August 09, 2017, 08:09:39 PM
Oh, also, instead of a proper event this week we're getting "beginner dungeons" for FF7, 8 and 10 that come with the biggest trap banners in the history of everything -- lucky draws that include every 5* item for each realm, including uniques. So there's an FF7 lucky where instead of a chance at Force Stealer, you get a chance at Buster Sword/11.

Yay?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 09, 2017, 08:49:20 PM
I'm a simple man: I see a half-price draw, I pull, as the Reddit meme says. I treat Lucky Draws as silly gambles anyway, whatever I get, I get, since my account's well past the point where I actually -need- anything, just pick up whatever.

EDIT: and pull I did. Dropped my leftover gems from FF8 event banner 2, got Telescopic Baton and Barret Bracer dupes. Got annoyed, dropped 50 Mythril, got Tifa's Crystal Glove (well, I -didn't- have fists for FF7, so I guess that's something?), Vincent's Glove (yes!) and a dupe Wizer Rod. I guess this does update my mage equipment for FF7 and I won't say no to a decent BSB whose equip also boosts fire. I can equip pretty much a full party with fire boosting armor now, which isn't bad, especially considering how stacked my fire SB stash is (I also have Vincent's Enfire SSB and he can use Wrath... I mean, it's kinda ghetto compared to his USB, but it's functional).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 11, 2017, 09:29:01 PM
Oh, also, instead of a proper event this week we're getting "beginner dungeons" for FF7, 8 and 10 that come with the biggest trap banners in the history of everything -- lucky draws that include every 5* item for each realm, including uniques. So there's an FF7 lucky where instead of a chance at Force Stealer, you get a chance at Buster Sword/11.

Yay?

Technically, it's FF13, not FF8.  Just look at the game's global icon for why it's those 3 games.

That said, I'm skipping because I'd rather save my mythril, and the only thing I think I could really benefit from FF7 is an Aerith BSB for CMs, which I've been lazy about these days anyway.

Beat the DoC event, in any event, as well as Apoc Seifer and Rufus.  Gotta get to doing Torments at some point.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on August 13, 2017, 11:03:24 PM
... I know it's a trap, but...  fuck it.

*25 Mythril Later*

Four shinies!

Seymour Burst, Jecht Burst, Lulu Burst (Dupe), Rikku SSB2.  Huh.  That's simultaneously really good and also doesn't really improve my FFX situation.  But hey amazing for the trap banner.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 14, 2017, 02:51:59 AM
I pulled and got Paine's burst, Auron's second burst and Lulu's Hairpin. I know the Hairpin's completely outclassed now, but it's kind of an affectionate relic of the past, I guess (and uh it's my best mage hat for FFX? man, that realm is really starving for hats, only FFXII is worse at it). Also, I -did- need a water burst for Liquid Flame. Wish I had gotten Paine's second SSB to make it better, though.
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Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 15, 2017, 04:45:33 PM
New Torment, new posts.

D200 FFXII Torment CM

L99 Ashe (Ruinga/Valigarmanda)
L99 Fran (Full Break/Hydroburst)
L99 Balthier (Steal Power/Lifesiphon)
L80 Penelo (Curaja/Heathen Frolic Sarabande)
L80 Larsa (Ultra Cure/Faith)

RW: OK BSB

The fight with Mateus was kinda ugly because he ganked both Larsa and Penelo past the halfway mark, but ultimately things worked out because Ashe's BSB is honestly kinda scary offense even after a year of power creep. The one thing that remained the same on all of my attempts against all Torment difficulties was her presence in my party. Balthier uh wasn't very good against the boss, but he was pretty solid against the trash with Lifesiphon/BSB/Steal Power spam. The lack of Protectga/Shellga stems mainly from Larsa having his Mighty Guard+Stoneskin SSB. Fran's debuffing SB array was pretty instrumental here, I could actually juggle Shatterheart and Gaze of the Void with 35-second-duration debuffs from her LD. I'm kinda amazed, really.

D250 Torment

L99 Ashe (Ixion/Valigarmanda)
L99 Shantotto (Chain Thundaga/Sudden Thunder)
L99 Raines (Wrath/Wrath)
L99 Faris (Multibreak/Heathen Frolic Sarabande)
L99 Y'shtola (Curaja/Shellga)

RW: Rikku's USB

Not much to say. Shantotto spreads her damage further and wider than Ashe, but packs considerably less punch per blow. Both were pretty good at keeping damage up, though. Raines was there mainly for chewing through the trash like a chippershredder and providing a second MAG buff. I actually didn't bother with Protectga because the trash has crappy physicals against back row PCs. Once the first Raines BSB went up, it was just a matter of going through the motions. Mateus' AoE Reflect sounds scary in theory, but in practice, you pop up a healer BSB with a Medica and laugh.

Jump Start Torment CM

L99 Ashe (Ixion/Valigarmanda)
L80 Penelo (Multibreak/Heathen Frolic Sarabande)
L99 Fran (Full Break/Magic Breakdown)
L99 Garnet (Bahamut/Curaise)
L99 Y'shtola (Curaja/Faith)

Second verse, same as the first. Not actually any harder than the D250. Ashe's BSB is such a workhorse against the lightning-weak.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 15, 2017, 05:13:37 PM
D200 and 250 down so far, both pretty simple with Ashe and Shantotto bursts for offense. My one failed run wasn't due to Mateus himself but Onion Knight getting Slowed by the very last trash enemy right after using VOF; the enemy was dead before I could think "wait, that's bad" and since I didn't bring Wrath I couldn't refresh buffs on schedule during the boss fight, leading to a cascading mess.

The D300 might be the first Torment JS that I try and slugfest instead of using Ultra Cross Slash to nuke -- I'll see how I can do with Gabranth's AOE dark SSB and Basch slinging Aegis Strike. From everything I've seen Wall is a must in this one, so I can't bring Kain to a three-man CM team.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 15, 2017, 06:48:45 PM
It actually sorta depends on how your debuffing stackability goes? Running Fran and Penelo alongside typical Wall+Shellga, none of the pieces in the fight could break four digits outside Ultimate Blizzaja (which is piercing) and I ran no Ice resistance at all. With ice resist equips, you might well forfeit Wall if you can stack at least four layers of magical mitigation. Sleep resistance is mostly a wash unless you run a very heavily physical party, by the way: in five runs or so, I saw -one- casting of Sleep Gas.

This now makes me wonder how bad could I butcher Mateus' offense if I added Fujin's burst into the mix. Mmmmmm, choices.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 16, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
Okay, that was way less durability than I was expecting. SOLDIER mode on Vayne (who I forgot was an FF12 character when planning this fight), three shots of BSB entry, dead Mateus. Didn't have room for a lightning ability and still mastered.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 16, 2017, 08:42:56 PM
Done with MO Nemesis' relevant parts - all of them handled solo. Six months of powercreep made the fight go from "gruelling ordeal that took me the better part of a week to handle" to "setpiece puzzle that takes me three tries to reasonably handle". From my original setup, just replaced Minwu with Relm and Faris with Fujin, which made the fight go a lot faster (one more person to actually slugfest while Radiant Shield whittles him down). Fun diversion. Not sure if I'll bother with Multiplayer bragging rights fight, though the thought's slightly tempting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on August 16, 2017, 10:29:55 PM
Beat the first 3 levels, the 3rd with an MP team.

Not bothering with the ??? level because no meaningful levels.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 17, 2017, 03:33:20 AM
Picked up Raines' Unique damage+Hastega SB and Fang's Enwind SSB from the Lucky Draw. Well, now I guess I have a new husbando. And Fang's viable now that I can do an OSB+Enelement combo with her. Nothing fancy, but oh well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 18, 2017, 09:21:18 PM
Completed the FF15 event with pretty much no fuss. The music is gorgeous, at least. Not having to care about synergy also let me bring some less vanilla combinations too, which wasn't bad. Thanks for all the mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on August 18, 2017, 11:16:06 PM
Seeing as I have no real NEEDS, figured hey, may as well invest in some XV gear.  I mean, we actually DO get one of these again in the foreseeable future!

100 Gem- Gladiolus' LM.  Well that... sure is some gear.
11 Draw- Gladiolus' SSB.  Boostga+Last Stand is pretty good, albeit I do have one of those (Minfilia's).  Still, quality SSB and a weapon to compliment that freebie from ages ago.

I do have ~80 mythril in reserve, but on the other hand there's not huge winners on the banner that I'm aware of so feels like a waste to pull more, especially since there's multiple LM here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 24, 2017, 02:05:44 PM
Holy shit, Magicite is live today. Those bastards.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 24, 2017, 03:07:24 PM
Got my ass handed to me by Magicite Sealion (though I'm certain I'll pull this off, just need to bring a second healer and I'm golden). This'll be fun.

EDIT: First clear! 38 seconds on Magicite Sealion, ran Terra/Potato/OK/Eiko/Edward. I figure I'll be able to shave off those seconds if I (a) run OK for damage; (b) run Vincent with his BSB for extra offense; (c) finally finish Terra's Legend Dive. I figure any one of these three will suffice if I tune up my strategy a bit. I might run Gathering Storm on Terra as well to see if it's good enough, since I'm using Edward for Entrusting shenanigans. As the days allow us to gather more Magicite Keystones, I'll start devising strategies for the other Magicites. I'm pretty sure I can clear all of them right now, but the only 30-sec-clears within my grasp I suspect will be Fire (Terra USB/OSB setup+Papalymo shit seriously wrecks Sealion) and Ice (Squall BSB2 + Rinoa CSB and BSB2 + Lulu BSB and En-Ice SSB). But we'll see.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 24, 2017, 06:46:34 PM
Tried Fenrir, but even with Edea dived to the point where she can 6-hit her burst CMD1 regardless of synergy I didn't have enough offense. If I had a second en-ice move I could probably get there, but at the moment all I've got to back her up is Lulu and Shantotto with their bursts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 24, 2017, 06:54:37 PM
Fenrir wrecked me because I forgot to bring Dispel. Offensively, I'm doing fine, but he gets insanely, INSANELY fast with Haste.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 24, 2017, 07:04:58 PM
Weird, I haven't bothered with Dispel and his offense is perfectly manageable -- what gets me is the clock running out on Edea's MM (or, if I don't use it, the clock running out on his Berserk timer).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 24, 2017, 07:08:44 PM
Yeah, I actually realized he ALSO slowed half my party at some point, which makes things dicier. He slowed Eiko before she got a turn to Guardian Mog and that was that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 24, 2017, 07:25:01 PM
Yeah, Savage Withering Winds is no fun. I've toyed with bringing Firion just to spam MBlinks, since it's also his only magical offense.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 24, 2017, 08:54:31 PM
Firion's a really good mitigator for Savage Withering Winds, he just doesn't bring much else to the table for that particular fight. This said, also beat Fenrir, but not at a great time. 50 seconds on the timer, I'm thinking I should bring Squall and Red XIII instead of Edward and Lulu (I have Rinoa's LMR, which does give a decent MAG boost to her even in the midterm), since the extra DEF, Astra and Hastega source could come in handy. Lulu DOES answer for a considerable chunk of my offense in that fight, but that can be transferred to Rinoa somewhat if she can nab the better equipment. There's just a lot I see that could improve my performance in the fight, so I'll mull it over the next few days, since there are still four other Magicite dungeons to brave. Digging this so far.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 24, 2017, 09:13:11 PM
I'm thinking I need to put a pin in these until I can pick up at least one elemental USB (hopefully in the FF5 event next week) because my current kit just isn't getting it done. I tried Bismarck since I've got three en-lightning BSBs, and was somehow pumping out less DPS than when I had Edea + scrubs fighting Fenrir.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 24, 2017, 09:30:50 PM
Bismarck I haven't attempted yet, but he's apparently one of the -nastiest- fuckers in the first set of Magicites due to having high as hell DEF and tons of hard-to-wall AoE. I'll attempt it at some point, of course, since my thunder-boosting equipment set is stacked enough and I could also run Fran's Imperil Lightning to help me out, but I expect much pain. Meanwhile, I'll level the magicite I've already got and see how can I stack them together to improve my stats and performance little by little in the fray.

EDIT: also, Magicites encourage a strategy to sorta -concentrate- your offense. Running a dedicated Wrath+Entrust bot made the fight against Sealion a lot faster, the same could be said about Fenrir (especially since both Rinoa and Lulu have gauge building issues and I needed them juggling multiple SBs). But the tools to make this more feasible will come likely later. Also, do -not- forget to keep a mythril stash for the 30th Anniversary Fest banners late September, since those will be absolutely insane almost no matter what.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 24, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
Oh, believe me, I'm looking forward to that. 225 mythril in the bank and counting. Remember, that's where I jumped into JP, so I'm fairly champing at the bit to get Tidus' USB (or similar, but that's the one I've played around with) into a proper A-team after seeing the damage it can do even in an under-equipped, under-leveled setup.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 24, 2017, 10:22:44 PM
I'm looking forward September stuff as well. After a really boring August, the next month's filled with exciting shit to do and the early Magicite release just adds to the fun. I've been wanting to try these fights for -months- and it's really cool to finally have them around.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 25, 2017, 04:06:16 PM
SUCCESS! I tried every combination of DPS characters I could in my attempts yesterday, but what I didn't attempt was LUDICROUS BUFF STACKING, which thankfully is just what my wide-ranging collection of faithgas has prepared me to do! Papalymo with Ley Lines and Porom with Healing Wind plus the onionburst meant Edea was constantly at the buff cap without having to do anything but spam CMD1, and it freed up OK from being my second healer so he could spam Phantasm. (Also party-wide short charge is a big help when speed is of the essence)

It wasn't exactly a fast clear, but 56 seconds is still sub-1:00. Now to grind the heck out of Fenrir!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 25, 2017, 04:37:39 PM
Yeah, most important right now is getting sub-1:00 clears, since those hand you the bulk of sub-magicites and Arcana to level up your pokémon. Once I clear all the Magicites, I'll do some farming, though I'm considering getting Enkidu first from Fennyfarming (instant AoE 40% mHP medica+Esuna is seriously badass).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 25, 2017, 06:59:47 PM
Cleared Magicite Golem. Pretty safe win, but not very fast (51 seconds). Fujin was -amazing- on the fight, my top damage dealer by far (you see, I took the opportunity to fully Legend Dive her, since I had a bunch of spare Wisdom and Bravery 5* motes...). Learning that the 1.3x weakness RM stacks multiplicatively with element boosts was great times, too. I probably should've stacked elemental boosts on Alphinaud instead of giving him Battleforged, though. Also ran Edward/Eiko/Garnet, which wasn't a bad choice, actually? But I should've cap-broken Mateus for a third Wind-elemental mage instead, methinks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 26, 2017, 02:21:22 PM
Nemesis Infinity mastered solo. That's been a long time coming. Brought all three of my Last Stand SBs (Raijin, Edge and Selphie) with Alphinaud for damage reflect and Vaan for stat breaking and straightforward DPS. Toward the end I had to daisy-chain Auras to keep up with the Boundless Ethereal Cannons, but I managed it with the whole team alive.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 26, 2017, 10:13:57 PM
Cleared Magicite Hydra. That one was nasty, lots of AoE offense and a seriously unfun disposition to spam Savage Thunderbolt. Ended up bringing Exdeath for the MAG+RES buffing and it made one hell of a difference. I tried to bring Aphmau to the fight, since I pulled her USB and Legend Materia from the current FFXI banner, but she'll need to get her MC3 in order to properly play with Magicite dungeons. At least, the USB itself is obscenely good. Instant Hastega+Curaga+party instacast is simply -ridiculous-, I probably should take her to Fenrir and Sealion once I'm in magicite farming mode.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 28, 2017, 03:27:44 AM
I said Magicite Hyra was nasty? Maaaaaaaaaaan, it has nothing on Magicite Bismarck. Savage Breach Blast spam is a fucking -nightmare-. My only 1 min+ clear, I didn't even -master- the fight because the damage is so nutsy. Magicite Liquid Flame is next and I'm honestly scared, since my only Water SBs for that fight are Paine's Burst, Tidus' Overstrike and Rikku's Burst. No en-element at all, this is gonna -suck-.

Also manhandled XI event's bonus fights. Aphmau's USB is super good in general and crazy broken on Jump Start fights. I'm setting it as my Roaming Warrior, for all good it'll ever do.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 28, 2017, 03:57:03 PM
Magicite Liquid Flame: not happening with my current gear and hones. Lacking an en-element to augment Tidus' OSB is awful and the healing on Tornado form seriously screws me up. Its offense actually sucks (very gravity-based, so ID resist dents it pretty badly), but so does mine. So, I decided to try my hand at Magicite Sealion again now that I have Terra fully dived. Shaved off my time from 38 to 33 seconds, but I still need some improvement. I might give Vincent a try for Radiant Shield now that he's L99, that might help me out. THIS SAID, I should be farming Fenrir instead for Enkidu. Will work on it tomorrow, I suspect I may get some improvement on my times if I run Squall/Rinoa/Aphmau, and I levelled some Empower Ice magicite as well.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 29, 2017, 10:09:10 PM
ENKIDU GET. In other news, I managed a Fenrir run clocking in at 33 seconds (you see, Squall procced a triple cast TWICE in that fight, one for Draw & Junction and one for Löwen Roar). Shaving 240k HP off Fenrir in a single turn was amazing in more than one sense of the word), but nothing too special otherwise.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on August 30, 2017, 12:53:13 AM
Milestone: Thanks in part to my recent mythril hoarding, all of my characters with BSBs, OSBs or USBs, and the three characters with particularly unique SSBs (Galuf, Edge, Raijin) are all level 99. Yay grinding!

Edit: FF8 Torment D200 has been Cid'd. Went with a Wall RW instead of a faithga and Edea's burst still tore through him like tissue paper. Of course, then she died from MM doom about 10K short of the kill, but the rest of the team was able to make that up.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 30, 2017, 05:41:14 AM
I went mageyland for the CM as well (Rinoa CSB and BSB2 shouldn't go to waste!). Fujin master race once again, once she starts dropping those wind commands she becomes insanely fast - as if having an amazing, Wrathable instant stackable debuff SB wasn't enough. I regret nothing about legend diving her. For the Jump Start CM, I plan to run Rinoa CSB + Cloud USB RW + Chant + either Raijin spamming Aura or Aphmau spamming Overdrive on BSB2 Squall. D250 Ruby Dragon melted like butter off SOLDIER Mode BSB2 offense (27k a HIT on command 2. That thing deals eight hits at three junction levels), I just want to see how bad it can get with stacking elemental damage boosts even further.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 30, 2017, 06:21:42 PM
Update report on melting Ruby Dragon's face: I had a max-level Löwen Roar deal 67k damage per hit, totalling over 530k damage off a single command.

On less massacring news, I FINALLY managed to pull off a clear on Magicite Liquid Flame, running Terra/Lulu/Onion Knight/Curilla/Vanille and leaving Terra and Lulu BSB CMD2 and Radiant Shield pings as my offense. Not a pretty fight (clocked out at 1m 06s), but ultimately rather safe - Curilla USB is -super- good in conjunction with her relic legend materia, she was mitigating a LOT of Liquid Flame's physicals very well, and it's hard to say no to that delicious ultrastackable ATK+MAG+DEF buff along with Radiant Shield. I'm definitely giving her my next MC3 now that I level-capped Aphmau. Terra did Terra-y things, mainly building gauge for Omen => Blood of Espers and tossing out 20k damage Chaos Wateras at ninja speed, while Lulu provided the necessary backup. I went offensive with OK of all things, which was actually a -good- choice because instacasting helps cycling through Liquid Flame's three forms much faster and I didn't want Tornado form getting turns to slam me with Savage Firaga. My current goals now are farming Fenrir and Sealion until I have at least one L99 Magicite for each of those elements.

Tangentially, Enkidu is my new best friend.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 01, 2017, 01:26:28 PM
Magicite Golem down! Used Alphinaud for someting like 90% of the total damage; Zidane was there too, but just for imperils, and only managed to break through Earthen Wall in the final 10 seconds of a 1:19 victory. Not sure what I can do to meaningfully improve on that time without another magic-based wind SB, but I'll at least have to go back and get mastery -- Golem's very last action was an Earthen Fury that killed Zidane and Porom, costing me that last medal.

Ruby Dragon D250 and D300 were simple even without physical ice moves. I did have to treat the D300 CM like an actual fight instead of a "how broken can Ultra Cross Slash be?" test case, but Edea's burst still shreds him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 01, 2017, 03:57:43 PM
Six pulls on Bartz banner, six 1/11s, but they net me: Bartz' BSB3 and USB, Faris' USB, Dorgann's BSB and 7* Faris Bracers and Dorgann's Sword. I think I can finally pull off a sub-1:00 victory against Liquid Flame now. In more mundane news, also honed Meltdown and Snowspell Strike to R3. Life's good.

Also got a 0:31 clear on Sealion by running OK and Edward as dual-Entrust batteries for Terra. I'm -so close- to pulling a sub-30 run off but no dice yet. Maybe I should drop a gauge on Potato for earlier burst damage. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 02, 2017, 03:35:48 PM
One pull on the FF5 banner: Faris imperil wind SSB, Galuf en-fire/critga SSB, Bartz BSB3. That's my Hydra team settled, and I think Faris can help my Golem team more than Zidane just by virtue of having Wrath to power her imperil.

Tempted to try again for Bartz's LMR and/or USB, but I think I can stay strong and wait for the 30th anniversary SNES banner.

Also, I ran down my stamina farming Fenrir after ignoring Magicite since that Golem run, and came away with two copies of Enkidu and one of Fenrir (after getting nothing but Wing Raptors up to now). RNG likes me today!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 03, 2017, 07:50:48 PM
This weekend I decided to try my hand at Sealion speed run while my boyfriend was napping and I fucking did it. 0:27 run on Sealion running dualcast on Terra, Gathering Storm on Potato and Ace Striker on Edward, along with Mako Might on Eiko for a safe way to activate Terra's Trance. Running that R3 Meltdown instead of wrathing all day with Terra actually makes a hell of a difference, especially when running off Tranced casting times. Today, I tried again running Curilla instead of Onion Knight and Battleforged on Terra instead of Dualcast and made it at 0:29. I'm pretty sure I can pull these runs consistently now, which is great. Curilla USB is quietly amazing at what it can do. I'll attempt Hydra and Liquid Flame again once I have Bartz at L99 and Record Dived.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 04, 2017, 03:29:54 PM
Magicite update: 0:58 clear on Liquid Flame all thanks to Bartz' USB. It almost makes me want to try for his LMR again, the results are simply -incredible-. I was dropping an absolute minimum of 26k a pop from an Engulfing Twinstrike (usually more, an Eight-Strike Barrage proc and nothing else produces nearly 40k damage. A dualcast proc adds more 20k. If I can optimize damage enough, I can slap the dualcast RM and gamble for EVEN MORE damage, since it allows for triplecasts, making the whole thing absolutely ridiculous). I'll have to hone the fire 5* spellblade ability now, since Thundering Twinstrike doesn't interact with the USB. Regardless, holy shit is this thing -good-.

Also cleared MO Archeoavis with a Reddit group. I ran the only offense and derped on giving Bartz a ranged weapon, but his USB is so good it actually didn't matter so much before the last phase (I still managed nearly 20k Snowspell Strikes from the back row. It kinda murdered the procs, but I still could eke over 10k from an ESB, so it could be worse). The last phase I handled with Cloud spamming Omega Drive and his OSB. Nice. This set of battles gave me -exactly- the motes I needed to fully Legend Dive Bartz to boot, and I couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on September 17, 2017, 11:41:20 AM
funny glitch I drew 1/11 Edward SSB and my phone played https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpchuUkHzjc instead of the normal music
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 17, 2017, 06:29:34 PM
5/6 Magicites down, only Liquid Flame left because my water options are puny and the slow pace of the fight means very little SB charging. I've only managed to beat Golem and Bismarck once each, so there's room to improve there too.

FF4 torment was a surprisingly big pain in the ass for a holy weak fight. CM is definitely not happening; I had to swap out Faris with Minfilia on my A team just to kill the dragon in time.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 17, 2017, 09:10:16 PM
I'm currently on full farming mode with all Magicites, being able to consistently sub-30 Sealion and getting closer and closer with Golem, Fenrir and particularly Hydra. I can now sub-1:00 Liquid Flame, but I still need better water options for something better than 50 seconds. Now that I have Rafa's BSB and USB, I'll attempt a sub-30 clear on Bismarck as well as soon as I can L99 her, but I may need to pull off some battle-start Entrust shenanigans as well.

And yes, FF4 torment is surprisingly tough. The Jump Start in particular took me some five tries and I have Pecil's BSB+USB and a decently honed Guardbringer.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 19, 2017, 10:20:59 PM
My results on Bismarck so far: my times range between 35 and 38 seconds. I wonder if Legend Diving Rafa can make the difference there, since there's about 66 more MAG and some Black Magic + Lightning boosts to be accrued there... though what would really make the cut there would be more instacast options. Allegro con Moto is an interesting strategy, at least. THIS SAID, the RES boost and pseudoparasitic healing from Rafa's Burst is a lifesaver against Bismarck regardless, really eases on the need to heal and makes a single-healer strat viable as long as I make things quick. Compared to Raines BSB, it's less offense, more survivability. And, if I can spare an Entrust bot, she always has the option to En-element with her USB, which -does- make her, if I care, a one-stop shop for my MAG buffing needs on mage parties. Fun stuff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 20, 2017, 12:32:51 PM
"Sweet, fest banners are posted, let's see what we've got."

DeNa: *Replaces Yuna BSB2 with Revenge Of Tiny Bee*

" ....So, FF6 banners!"
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 20, 2017, 01:32:32 PM
Joy.

I tried for Delita's items, got dupes and Ophelia lm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 20, 2017, 08:31:13 PM
"Sweet, fest banners are posted, let's see what we've got."

DeNa: *Replaces Yuna BSB2 with Revenge Of Tiny Bee*

" ....So, FF6 banners!"

I've never been so happy that the fest banners utterly blow, I can drop all my Mythril on those sweet Lucky Draws with zero regrets. I might drop a pull on banner 1 for that elusive FF1 synergy and 4 because Tidus, Shantotto and Rikku USB are totally sweet (and heck, I actually WOULDN'T MIND TINY BEE. Aphmau's BSB would be really great too), but even that depends on the Lucky Draw results.

This said, one pull on the soundtrack banner got me two Fairy Flute dupes, a Conductor dupe and Noctis' USB-level party-wide instant instacast SSB. I have a strong urge to Legend Dive him now.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 21, 2017, 03:58:31 PM
On the first broke-ass Lucky Draw, DeNa gave to me Deuce and Arc BSBs. Considering I went in 7/18 and got a) no dupes; b) a much-desired stackable buffing medica; c) a BSB for a healer whose relic LM I -have- and it's -good- with the BSB; d) such healer also has doublecast WM on her LD; e) a good BSB for another bard, so one more Allegro con Moto user; f) husbando Arc, I guess I'm in a pretty good place right now. Two more MC3s on the loan bank and I very much may legend-dive Deuce to boot.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 21, 2017, 04:57:34 PM
Dupe Ceodore BSB and third Rosa BSB. Should've saved my mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 21, 2017, 11:35:47 PM
First shot at the LD...  Lenna BSB and Ovelia BSB.  Neither are dupes, so...  Win overall?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 22, 2017, 01:55:57 PM
First lucky draw gave me Ovelia's burst.

That's my 4th relic for her including a LM that I'm not sure is any good.

I drew on the Shadow banner and got Setzer's LM. Looks pretty meh.

Today's banner netted me Curilla and Edges ultra relics along with Fang burst2.

I didnt even know Fang had a second burst. Now I have both. Does it matter which I use? She's my first double burst person.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 22, 2017, 02:40:49 PM
Struggling with Jump Start Bahamut still, beat the other Torments though.

As far as lucky Draws?

Healer: Lenna's BSB.  eh, I don't have a medica for that realm, so that's something.
BSB/CSB/USB: Yda's USB, Deuce's USB, Garnet BSB1 (dupe) and Edgar's BSB.

Can't really complain so far.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 22, 2017, 03:29:59 PM
Today's lucky draw: Snow BSB1, Auron BSB1, Warrior of Light CSB, and.....Y'shtola USB. Neither burst is very good overall, but Snow's is my first-ever physical ice tech, and that holy chain is going to be Cid Raines' best friend. The USB is.....uh, +10 MND for my go-to healer?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 22, 2017, 03:48:27 PM
The second Lucky Draw: 1/11, Leila's BSB. Um I guess it's not a dupe?

This said, I also did a drunken 11-pull on the FF6 banner and landed meself Setzer's USB and SSB1 along with Shadow's SSB last night, so I suppose RNG giveth, RNG taketh away.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on September 22, 2017, 04:19:25 PM
Lucky 1- Deuce and Sarah bursts.  Well, I guess it's uncommon realms I didn't have anything good in.

FFVI 1 100 Gems- Umaro burst.  This is a strange little thing.  Not enough to make me forget it's fucking Umaro (even if FFRK Umaro is Better Sabin)

Lucky 2- Lightning USB.  Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*

*This gives me a +40 Lightning, with SSB1, BSB1, OSB, and USB.  Heeeeeeeeeee.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 22, 2017, 05:02:58 PM
Oh, also, glimpse into the JP future:

Tyro USB3: Party Protect, Shell, Haste & Wall.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 22, 2017, 05:42:31 PM
Rikku USB RWpremacy, move over. Though I guess, at this point in the game's life, it makes sense.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 23, 2017, 12:28:32 PM
Lucky 3: Vanille USB, Agrias and Vivi OSBs. Agrias has all her relics again, I finally have a proper 6* MAG stick, but more importantly both OSB weapons give their element boosts regardless of synergy. The extra damage from the rod should be enough to get my Sealion clear under a minute without changing my party at all.

EDIT: Yup, shaved 5 seconds, down to 59:64. This rules.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 23, 2017, 02:18:52 PM
Terra, rapha, eiko ultra.

Lunneth osb.

Not bad. No dupes so far.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 23, 2017, 05:57:18 PM
Final Lucky Draw: Squall USB. At the end, no dupes, but I'm kinda underwhelmed? Squall's USB completely pales in comparison to his BSB2 and doesn't even combo properly with it, Leila's BSB is kinda interesting but just not very high-powered, for all that now I have a complete Leila for whatever that's worth. Only the healer draw was really interesting to me (waifu Arc and Deuce's best SB, covering a general hole in my healer niches). Oh well, let's see what the Crystal Tower and Anniversary draws net me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on September 23, 2017, 09:28:26 PM
Lucky 3- USBs for Ramza, Exdeath, and Gilgamesh.  Gil's seems a bit of a miss but an upgrade to Grand Cross is most welcome and my Ramza is now +40 because fuck yeah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 23, 2017, 11:16:16 PM
Gilgamesh being a low-tier PC nowadays is so weird considering how high he was held for at least a year along the tiers.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 24, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
Gilgamesh was high tier mostly because Drawtaliate was such a strong defensive option for so long, right?

That said...

Lucky 1: Ovelia BSB, Lenna BSB.
Lucky 2: Ovelia BSB, Selphie USB.
Lucky 3: Tifa OSB.

...I feel like the only good draw I got was the Selphie USB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 25, 2017, 02:47:17 AM
Iiiiiiiiiit's showtime!

I pulled 9/30, but five were dupes: Lightning SSB1, Yuna SSB2, Cid Shout, Lulu BSB and Irvine BSB2. New stuff is Cloud's original burst, Ayame's burst, Golbez's burst and Locke's OSB. Lots of useful stuff in there, thankfully - I reforged the Irvine and Lightning guns, and Lulu's dupe gives me three ice boosting armors. New stuff...the 1st Fusion Sword is just +10 ATK for Cloud, but Ayame's burst is stellar and Golbez's finally gives me magic damage to use with my two FF4 faithgas. Locke's Overstrike is dual elemental, fast charging and has native holy boost on the dagger. Not bad for free!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on September 25, 2017, 03:01:07 AM
4/30:  Rinoa OSB, Edgar OSB, Fang BSB1 (Dupe), Tidus BSB (Dupe).

Fills some weird equip holes so not all bad, and certainly fair for the price, but not near as good as the Lucky draws were to me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 25, 2017, 05:26:55 AM
5/30: Cloud OSB, Irvine SSB2, Y'shtola SSB, Nine SSB and Leon BSB. Three dupes, including the 6-star, but all of them I could combine at least. Irvine SSB2 has definite CM value and Leon BSB... oh well, it's new. Game seems bent on giving me accidental husbandos/waifus this fest (Arc, Leila and now Leon). Also pulled twice on this banner for the chance at some FF1 synergy, got meself two OK BSB dupes, two Ingus BSBs and Desch's BSB instead. Not really complaining, more thunder tech is welcome for dealing with Bismarck.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on September 25, 2017, 05:30:32 AM
7/30.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289564677355339778/361680048190652426/image.png
Cid OSB - I'm...  Not super hyped about this one, but I realized that it's still very good?
Luneth SSB - Dupe
Paine SSB - No idea how to feel about this one.
Auron SSB1 - Dupe
Balthier Imperil SSB - Dupe.  Now I have an 8* FF12 gun!
Zeid SSB - How do I use this?
Vayne SSB - Okay, MT Instant Actions 1 sounds kind of badass.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on September 25, 2017, 05:41:00 AM
6* Lucky Draw got me Papalymo's OSB.  Eh, whatever, something I don't have at least, and another Mage stick.


4/30 on the 30 pull.

Vaan's OSB (Dupe)
Maria's OSB
Snow's SSB (Fun Fact: I thought this was a dupe, but it's not)
Papalymo's BSB

...so I now got Papalymo's Enfire and OSB in two days, and it's a +Fire stick that has actual stats which Terra can use, something I don't have, basically what I sort of wanted.  Yeah there was nothing WOMG I WANT NOW on this list, but I'll take this.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on September 25, 2017, 10:30:53 AM
5/30

Locke OSB, Tifa OSB, Red XIII Burst, Lion Burst, Emperor Super

LD1 -

Ceodore Burst, Aerith Burst (dupe), Ovelia Burst (dupe)

LD2 - Red XIII USB, Faris USB, Setzer BSB

LD3 - Firion OSB
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on September 25, 2017, 02:05:23 PM
6/30

Krile osb
Drogan, Firion, Rinoa bursts
Cyan (dupe) and Matoya sab.

I guess that's Ok? I've wanted Firions burst for awhile now, so cool.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on September 25, 2017, 05:53:18 PM
Decided hell with it, at 125 mythril with some to mine, draw for rare synergy.

5/11- Luneth USB, WoL USB, 2xFirion BSB, Garland BSB.  Well that sure is the big prize of teh banner plus a pretty respectable burst.  Yay.

e: in fact, took out Bahamut finally thanks to the extra firepower.  Gave me enough Dex motes to polish off Lightning's Legend Dive too (which I may have immediately went into when that USB landed). 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 27, 2017, 03:19:46 AM
2/11 on banner 2: Locke and Mog BSBs.

Locke's burst is my first imperil fire, which counts for something but his OSB is probably going to be better most of the time. Mog's is extremely welcome, I've needed both a faithga and a hastega in FF6 for a long time.

Now the question is, do I try again for the ultras, or play it safe and not mess around with a banner that has seven relics I've already got? Sanity says save mythril, resentment at not having any EX modes says YOLO. Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 27, 2017, 03:45:57 AM
Depends on how okay you are with the non-dupes besides the Ultras. Both Terra and Bartz USBs are fucking amazing, but Terra's USB is somewhat less impressive when you don't have the OSB to combo with it. Cecil USB is also very niche and honestly not really amazing if you don't have another source of en-element for Cecil (if you do, he becomes a -brilliant- Guardbringer bot).

As for myself, I 100-gemmed and whisked away. I even kinda like the non-dupes, but I have eight relics on that, including the two big prizes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 27, 2017, 04:53:13 AM
Pretty much everything except Cecil's USB would be great, really. Even Gogo's burst would be my second en-water, and maybe give me a better shot at Liquid Flame. Problem is, that's still only six out of the fourteen.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 27, 2017, 06:17:43 AM
I'm not really sure. I mean, is there -anything- else you'd spend your mythril on this fest? There's another Mythril Dungeon coming during the celebration, some login pickups and the remaining orbfest mythril to grab, so worst comes to worst, you COULD afford one more pull if you play your cards right. Just don't get caught without the spare 50 Mythril for the second Crystal Tower pull on 10/4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 27, 2017, 01:19:03 PM
Oh, spare mythril isn't a problem, once I do the anniversary bonus stuff I'll have something like 255 in the bank. I'm budgeting my disappointment.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 27, 2017, 05:05:02 PM
In this case, might as well YOLO it up.

Anyhow, thanks to a Legend Dived Rafa and Desch's BSB, I got my first sub-30 Bismarck clear! 27 seconds, so while it does err a bit on the RNGey (it requires non-awful luck on the doublecast procs, mainly), it's a very solid setup for relatively fast clears: it averages around 33-35 seconds with zero dualcasts and largely avoids untimely ganks from Bismarck's horrifying offense. Once I finish the sixth weekly clear, I'll resume Orbfest grinding, those chips don't farm themselves.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 28, 2017, 05:43:37 AM
So, the paid relic pull. I did it and got Selphie USB, Fang BSB2 and Hope rosetta stone (Hawkeye, I already have a 7* of that), that's pretty dang good. Now, I can't really decide on the extra BSB to pick: I'm between Porom's Zeus Mace for the MAG+MND medica, Ayame's Soboro Sukehiro for that tasty physical ice tech to deal with Fenrir and Edea's BSB for much the same reasons. I -do- intend to pull on banner 4, which has Aphmau's Yuna2-like BSB and Ayame's Burst, though, so I suppose I'll make the choice after I do my scheduled pulls there. Who the fuck knows what will I land.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 28, 2017, 11:01:23 AM
I YOLOed.

Disappointment: Avoided.

(https://i.imgur.com/qRSJJgY.jpg)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 28, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
Hell yeah!

On more mundane news: cleared all of the roulette prizes. Slowing down on the orbfest farming until the next phase, I already managed to R5 Bahamut and I have a secure route to farm both Major Summon and Major Ice Orbs to boot now that I can consistently sub-30 both Sealion and Bismarck (y'see, I managed to improve my time to 26s in a run with -less- dualcast procs than before. Rafa/Ashe/Desch/Edward/Aphmau likely can make me consistent perfect runs against the whale). Fang cap-broken again, I guess the +30% damage with spears RM will be nice.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 28, 2017, 04:58:27 PM
Oooooh, people comparing the gem-only banner's selection list to the JP version are prognosticating changes to the Crystal Tower Select list, based on the fact that the second list only included bursts missing from the gem banner's options. One of the changes would be switching the FF8 relic from Seifer's burst to Fujin's. If that's true, goodbye 50 more mythril.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 28, 2017, 07:01:38 PM
Oooooh, people comparing the gem-only banner's selection list to the JP version are prognosticating changes to the Crystal Tower Select list, based on the fact that the second list only included bursts missing from the gem banner's options. One of the changes would be switching the FF8 relic from Seifer's burst to Fujin's. If that's true, goodbye 50 more mythril.

If that happens, Larsa's burst is so goddamn mine. The speculation is really interesting regardless. The changes to the paid list made my choices -a bit- easier, but they're still subject to the results on Banner 4.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on September 28, 2017, 07:02:48 PM
Banner 2 :

First multi - Chicken Knife x2, Thief's Knife, Sleipnir's Tail (FFIV)

Second multi - Apocalypse (VI), Lightbringer (IV)

Third multi - Magical Brush (VI), Thief's Knife (dupe), Perseus Bow

Then I proceeded to try and get Bartz's Burst then I got everything on the banner but Bartz's Burst. Considering the main appeal of this banner was Relm's Burst for me yeeahh, well that and Terra. Finally obtained Relm Burst and Terra Ultra but ended up with an accidental Bartz along the way.

How to Bartz? I have a Bartz's Cloak, a Super, an OSB and now an Ultra for him, but no Burst. Should I pick one for him from the Selection thing, Grand Helm or Ragnarok? Do I have to make/hone a lot of things a lot? ~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 28, 2017, 07:21:11 PM
From what I understand, the main use of Bartz's USB is with spellblade abilities rather than burst commands, just because of the difficulty involved in juggling two effects that each last for only 15 seconds. You should be able to do fine with -ga Strikes, though, rather than having to hone up the 5*s. And in Jump Starts, en-wind from the cloak is going to make him a monster.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 28, 2017, 10:08:33 PM
I find that, with an Entrust bot, juggling en-elements => USB yields -amazing- results. On earth-weak fights, I run Latent Power => Chosen Traveler => BSB commands, while on Wind-weak, I run Choco Romp => Chosen Traveler => Snowspell Strike. I -do- recommend honing the 5* spellblades, though, it's a minimum 52% boost (often higher due to multi-hit vs. single hit).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on September 29, 2017, 06:35:06 PM
So, MO Omega actually isn't anywhere near as bad as they made him out to be. You only need to master it once in order to get everything from it, the two remaining clears can just let him suicide and Last Stand >>>>> Berserk End. Also finally cleared Apex Omega, but no mastery (I cleared it with only Terra standing, that was a sloppy battle)... and I frankly can't say I give a shit about 100 upmats.

On other news, I looked at my Mythril counter and figured a token pull for Cloud USB and maybe easing my choices on the pickable BSB or an upgrade to Dagger of Dagger wouldn't be too bad. Landed dupes for Axis Blade and Hamelin (hello, Rosetta Stone) and Edea's Valkyrie. Good enough for me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on September 29, 2017, 09:53:58 PM
I pushed my birthday luck with a pull on the PS1 banner and landed a single Edea BSB dupe. About time I busted on an anniversary pull, really.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 01, 2017, 01:15:58 AM
Okay, I was going to be done with the anniversary banners barring free Fujin burst but Cloud USB kept taunting me and I realized I can still finish the anniversary with over 100 mythril banked.

No Force Stealer, but I did get Seph's BSB2/OSB combo.... and Squall's Axis Blade. Worth it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 01, 2017, 08:56:37 PM
My big shots went to banner 4, meanwhile. Six pulls landed me Tiny Bee'd, two Auron BSB2 dupes, Reks BSB x2, Aphmau BSB, another Ashe BSB dupe (good thing it's a good stat stick), two Balthier BSB2 dupes, Vaan USB and Rikku USB. Got everything I actually wanted but Tidus USB, at least.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 02, 2017, 04:27:55 AM
Banner 1: Luneth USB, Firion BSB, Ingus BSB, Desch BSB
Gem Banner: Minwu BSB (probably picking Luneth's BSB to go with the above, but unsure, suggestions?)
Banner 3: Cid BSB
Banner 4: Rikku USB, Yuna BSB1 (...well, it wasn't 1/11 at least...)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 02, 2017, 01:49:59 PM
I got rikku usb, and auron n Ayame's bursts. No dupes.

I guess this isn't bad.


Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 02, 2017, 03:26:33 PM
Rikku USB is pretty godlike, saves -so many- ability slots and Rikku herself is a very flexible unit. Ayame BSB is high-grade physical ice tech, second only to Squall's BSB2. I ended up picking it for my gem banner selection, since I feel it'll make that sub-30 Fenrir run a reality.

EDIT: Anyhow, got Vaan to L99 and currently levelling Ayame. I'm back to being bottlenecked by Vitality motes, though, I need them to Record Dive Vaan after diving Ayame... and I'll also need Dexterity and Vitality 5* motes to legend dive both. Having seen what Vaan can do with his USB in JP videos (he's a viable MAGICITE unit with his ultrapowered instant Thief's Revenge spam, that's just completely out there), I feel I should give him the time of day there. But Ayame may have to come first if even her L99+normal Record Dive won't be enough to down Magicite Fenrir in less than 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 03, 2017, 01:02:30 AM
Yeah, not really upset by the pull.  It's more of a "oh go figure" fact that I got Tiny Bee of all things on it, but the fact that I got Rikku's USB, which is actually pretty great, means I can't really complain.

Heck, I've already made use of the weapon in beating the Fire Magicite more consistently, since it's 6* +Water weapon for Edge (I have his BSB), so that alone justifies it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 03, 2017, 03:11:00 AM
Speaking of pulls, one last pull on the fest because banner 5's top is insanely good. 1/11, Lightning USB. That's a good way to end a fest.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 03, 2017, 03:15:48 AM
1/11 on Banner 5, Noctis BSB.

Not what I was aiming for, but it's not bad by any means, I'll take it.

Tangentially, because I went 1/11, and it wasn't a 6*, I decided it was a bad pull that I should rage/drunk pull in Dokkan Battle and actually got one of the cards I wanted on that banner.   Given literally no one cares about that, I'll just leave it there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 03, 2017, 02:13:07 PM
Noctis usb and gladdys burst.

Eh?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 04, 2017, 04:37:02 PM
Yesterday, I managed two big things: my first sub-30 Fenrir run with Ayame/Squall tag-teaming the dog and getting -every single unit in my party to its maximum level-, including Cores. Yes, this includes L99 Bard and Ranger. So, I suppose it's back to farming Magicites, I still need to improve my Earth, Fire and Water equips a fair deal.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on October 04, 2017, 11:51:26 PM
Welp, got enough chip drops to polish that off htis morning, so we can let the last little bit of orbfest slide and clear out other things.  FFVI Jump Start was fun, died before Shout wore off despite three PCs falling asleep (albeit one was a healer and another was Ramza, although considering he's fully dived Ramza's damage isn't nothing).  After that... hmm, 70 stamina you say?  Let's try out that shiny new Lightning USB.

Bismark actually took a few fine tuning runs (and praises be that those things only eat stamina if you win).  Keeping up on healing wasn't quite working, so Eiko took the bench and all those silly mage-oriented motes I had laying around fully dove Y'shtola.  Double medicas were vital, it turned out.  Otherwise, Ramza of course did his thing (I know breaks don't mean much there buuut eh, his damage adds up, my other boostgas are on supports anyways, he's got the buff extension, and saves digging up another Haste), offense was Light (USB)/Orlandu (OSB)/Kain (BSB).  Although I discovered I hadn't even done basic 3 star Record dives on Kain, which was weird!  I though I did that automatically for BSB havers.  Could probably shave a little time off with more investment in Kain and using/proccing some double-spellblade on Lightning, but 45 seconds was the finish so eh, just ideas to remember for later when I have some Lightning-oriented magicite I suspect.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 05, 2017, 02:11:54 AM
I fell just short of clearing out the roulette, but the only things I missed were a greater dark orb and a single 3* mote, so it wasn't worth refreshing for.

The crystal tower draw does in fact have free Fujin BSB, so pulling was a no-brainer. 2/11, both dupes - Yuffie and Sazh SSBs. Oh well, got what I was after. Golem, prepare to be farmed.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on October 05, 2017, 02:14:23 AM
I'm thinking I need that yshtola burst. It will compliment Noctis' usb, ya?

I have fuujins burst.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 05, 2017, 03:12:52 AM
Welp, did the Crystal Tower pull, Raijin's Pauldron and Crystal Glove dupes, I go to check the selection to pick up my Larsa BSB and FUCK YOU DENA THAT'S YUNA BSB2 I'VE BEEN CHASING THAT RELIC RELENTLESSLY SINCE IT WAS RELEASED. This is the hardest decision I've ever had to do in this fucking game, I'm torn between in-game efficiency and waifuness.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 05, 2017, 03:29:55 AM
If I weren't already planning to throw 100 mythril at the next FFX banner that would've been really tempting.

And yeah, Scar, Y'shtola really helps those invincibility-keyed effects. Plus it's super good in general.

Now that I'm done pulling, time to review my spoils and plan next steps...

New SSBs: None! Every single one I pulled was a dupe.
New BSBs: Auron 1, Mog, Ayame, Cloud 1, Celes 2, Locke, Gogo5, Sephiroth 2, Fujin, Squall 2, Snow 1, Golbez. Goddamn.
New OSBs: Agrias, Locke, Sephiroth, Vivi
New USBs: Vanille, Y'shtola, Faris, Bartz
New chain: Warrior of Light

So I'm ridiculously set for ice, holy and dark damage now, and in a way better spot for fire, water, wind and earth. Lightning could use a bump, but it's not like I was hurting there before. Next step is to finally use some legend motes. I've already dived Bartz and Squall; currently my plan is to go for Raines, Agrias, Faris and Y'shtola for sure, save enough for Mog and Shelke when they get access, and consider Celes and (when he comes around) Sephiroth. I'll have to see how they pan out in practice, of course.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 05, 2017, 03:45:21 AM
New toys


Yeah, might as well tally up my spoils from fest:

New SSBs: Irvine SSB2. Actually not bad as far as SSBs go, everything else (and there actually weren't many!) was a dupe.
New BSBs: Deuce, Arc, Leila, Ingus, Leon, Desch, Edea, Fang 2, TINY BEE, Aphmau, Reks, Ayame. Looking at it, it's a pretty solid selection. Deuce BSB is really cool on a versatile unit, Ingus, Leila and Leon have CM value and Desch's is openly good, besides being a notable piece for my Bismarck sub-30 runs. Fang's is theoretically quite strong and makes her about as good as Cloud on most content, which has its value. Ayame's BSB was the missing piece for a viable sub-30 Fenrir run and Aphmau's BSB makes her a top contender for my healer options alongside Overdrive. I've been actually using both for great effect on Magicite farming. Reks BSB covers a MUCH needed hastega/boostga slot for FFXII. Arc... well, now I have a complete Arc! Until November, at least.
New OSBs: none! Sorta dodged a bullet there, truth be told.
New Chains: none. Sorta to be expected.
New USBs: Squall, Vaan, Rikku, Selphie, Lightning. Not much in terms of quantity, but the quality is overall high. Squall's the only actual dud.

Still need to pad out my Earth, Water and magical Wind game some, but feels like I'm much more solid now than I was. I went from one sub-30 Magicite run to three, which is a marked improvement.

EDIT:

If I weren't already planning to throw 100 mythril at the next FFX banner that would've been really tempting.

Yeah, what's bringing me to consider Yuna's BSB2 further is mainly the fact I actually want to dive into the next FFXII banner some, since the new Ashe and Balthier tech would seriously improve their performance considering they're both legend-dived. It also has Larsa BSB. Then, I may drop a pull on the next FFXV banner too, and Iris BSB would cover the healing Astra nicely. I already have a Wrathable Astra source in Red USB, at least, so it's not as pressing. OF COURSE, Yuna BSB2 is redundant with Aphmau BSB, but Yuna has a better Legend Dive (it's tailor-made to go with her BSB2, while Aphmau's LD is just plain terrible) and I really could use a Light Armor that boosts Mind.

EDIT 2: Waifu wins out, just picked Summoner's Garb. Nevermind the bollocks.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 05, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
I just took down Goddess and it is my solemn duty to report that Squall BSB2 is straight-up nonsense.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 05, 2017, 07:20:35 PM
I just took down Goddess and it is my solemn duty to report that Squall BSB2 is straight-up nonsense.

Yes, yes it is. That thing ALONE nearly led me to a sub-30 win on Fenrir a month before Ayame BSB closed the deal and was the sole offensive reason I managed a solo mastery on MO Adamanchellid bullshit. It gets even more nuts when you apply Cloud USB RW shenanigans on it, for all that the timing can be quite tight there (glorious when it's viable, though: see the 500k damage Löwen Roar I dropped on some poor Ice-weak JS Apoc+ fight).

Anyhow.

Pulling on Crystal Tower Banner: 50 mythril
Combine-upgrading the two dupes I got from the pull: 150k gil
Picking up Yuna BSB2 and adding her to half my magicite farming parties: priceless.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 05, 2017, 10:35:45 PM
I used Ultra Cross Slash on the Jump Start fight and two-charge Lowen Roar was hitting for 6x19,000 under Chant, with no imperils to balance out Goddess' natural ice resistance. Crazypants.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 06, 2017, 01:21:08 AM
One thing I like to do is giving Spellblade Master to Squall so I can gamble multiple command procs. On average, it lets me spam maxed Löwen Roars by his third turn. With some instacast shenanigans, it gets even dumber: I managed to drop four maxed Roars on Fenrir on my first sub-30 run, and that thing was doing 9.5k damage PER HIT. At those levels, it's basically a spammable OSB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 06, 2017, 12:05:34 PM
So.  Did my first Magicite this morning.  Cleared Sealion with 36.95.

LDed Terra, and did it again.  32.81.  Gotta keep experimenting.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2017, 04:10:25 PM
Dissidia bonus battles: whoa, that's a lot of damage. Too bad this just means, in Squall's case, that I brought Selphie and Eiko for Last Stand Spamming while Cloud dished out 200k Cloud Cycles on his chump ass. The MO fights were kinda scary (particularly the one with Zidane spamming Slow), but they worked out with me running Faris on full Dance/Pirate Princess duty and Eiko dropping Guardian Mogs willy-nilly. 160 Vitality motes, mang, that lets me access Lightning and Vaan Legend Dives.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 09, 2017, 06:10:41 PM
All but Fenrir beaten for the first batch of Magicite.  Also beat Omega a bunch of times to get everything needed there, though didn't master single player Apex but...I can live without a bunch of upgrade mats.

Here's a thought for discomfort: Imagine the Mastery Rewards for Omega before the UI Update.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 09, 2017, 06:13:20 PM
All but Fenrir beaten for the first batch of Magicite.  Also beat Omega a bunch of times to get everything needed there, though didn't master single player Apex but...I can live without a bunch of upgrade mats.

Here's a thought for discomfort: Imagine the Mastery Rewards for Omega before the UI Update.

You MONSTER.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 10, 2017, 02:51:53 PM
So, FF6 Torment. -Fire-weak FF6 Torment-. Both the 200 CM and 250 runs were unholy slaughters, Terra alone slurped nearly half Hidon's health with Omen => Scorching Flames x2 on the 250. I may support her with Refia + Cloud USB RW on the Jump Start.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 11, 2017, 03:01:01 AM
Lucky Draw went 2/11: Ingus BSB dupe and Vincent's USB. This is really nice, but I'm not sure how much fire tech I NEED considering it's my most stacked element as is and Terra's USB/OSB combo already covers the ultrafast fire mage with a trance niche. At least he can do both physicals and magic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 11, 2017, 05:36:51 AM
Refia SSB, Desch SSB, Cid 7 BSB. That's two characters I wanted BSBs for, and one whose burst I'll lately use because I have his SSB. Oh well, at the very least Desch's move is still a wrathable imperil lightning with self faith, that's pretty useful as SSBs go.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 11, 2017, 09:33:54 AM
I went 2/11: Gilgamesh SSB dupe and Shelke BSB.  So technically 1/11 with an extra Rosetta Stone, and I’m not even sure how often I’ll use Shelke anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 11, 2017, 12:44:13 PM
Shelke is the best entrust user in the game with her legend materia, so if you're inclined to try for sub-30 Magicite wins there's a reason to dive her even with no relics. Having a hyper break burst can only help her case.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 11, 2017, 03:27:52 PM
It's also an -instant- Hyper Break BSB with a Mind Breakdown command, so Shelke's a pretty high-end debuffing Support even then. She even has stats on par with a dedicated fighter, so she's a pretty strong unit in her own right even before you consider her absurd LD bonuses.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on October 12, 2017, 11:58:33 PM
Realm Lucky- Cloud OSB (dupe).  Ah well.

Cleared out Liquid Flame (I don't know HOW, I went over 1:30, but) and Sea Lion (albeit without Mastery on that one).  Tidus/Kimahri burst at Liquid Flame, I'm okay with never doing that one again unless I draw some big gun on Water.  Sea Lion met up with Refia/Balthier, which was actually pretty fun- Balthier's random odds for Imperil Fire get weird and lock it down to True Weakness somewhat effectively, and Refia is fucking bonkers, which I usually forget because when the hell am I doing a fight where she has a synergy weapon and can nail that fire weakness?  Never that's when.  Honestly tempted to start her LD and see what happens, although that's probably not the optimal allocation of motes.  Although I should see what she needs there.

Fenrir managed to best me on this attempt, Ayame is beastly (BSB/OSB) but that slow proc does nasty things to fight rhythm.  Won't need much to get it though, got him down to negligible HP before he got a Slow in on everyone and whittled the party down with infinite Savage Wind.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2017, 01:57:26 AM
Fenrir is the one I consistently run Slow resist in lieu of elemental resistance equips. Minimizing the odds of slowing people in that fight is way too important. Having two sources of Hastega also tends to help (I usually run Eiko or Aphmau for their USBs in addition to Shout).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on October 13, 2017, 02:11:55 AM
Yeah, I've been running dual-healer sets with Y'shtola (BSB) and Eiko (USB), but running slow resists will help.  I think I have enough crystals for another hone on Snowspell.  I don't think I do for Affliction Break unfortunately, although he was getting ~30% proc rates for it even under that so slow resist will probably be better. 

After THAT, I made a point of taking Fujin Burst from the CT selection, so that plus Alphinaud burst should be sufficient for Golem once I have some magicite to boost them.  My Earth options meanwhile are uh... Rinoa BSB1/OSB?  Yeaah, hopefully at that point Hydra's the weenie fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2017, 04:47:13 AM
Hydra's offense gets really nuts earlier than the others because it slams you with Savage Thunderbolts earlier than the rest. Rinoa BSB+OSB is a bad combo there for a clean, sub-1 min kill unless you have an en-element for her or some instacasts to spare. Fujin + Alphinaud are good enough for sub-1 min clears, just have some casts of Raging Storm ready, it's really good for Golem.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 13, 2017, 02:10:07 PM
Holy shit, thanks to DeNa screwing up the selection draw choices we now get two from each. Larsa BSB, hell yeah.

I fully cleared the Magicites with my new toys. Golem is an easy win with Fujin and Alphinaud throwing wind at him, and Liquid Flame is a joke with Bartz helping out. Shadow Dragon was a pain in the ass even with my stacked holy team, but I finally got together a routine where he'd kill Y'shtola and she immediately gets revived while WoL, Raines and Orlandeau get a holy chain going.

FF6 torment was simple, Mog BSB and Locke's BSB/OSB combo dealt with the CM easily. D300 is even more straightforward - Locke and Vivi RW Terra's USB and spam their OSBs, win.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 13, 2017, 02:18:29 PM
I HAVE CHOICE PARALYSIS NOW

EDIT: Okay, picked Larsa BSB for the Mythril pick, that was easy. However, I have NO FUCKING IDEA of who to pick for the paid pull banner. For PRACTICAL purposes, I culled it down to the following:

Warrior of Light - nice compliment to his OSB, which I pulled on the Renewal draw, and has a fairly unique niche. Objective improvement to my holy game, gives me some armor synergy for FF1 and the holy game is relevant if I want to eventually sub-30 Shadow Dragon. HOWEVER, the latter may well be achievable with a Raines Legend Dive (I can get sub-40 runs just with Raines and some supporting DPS as is right now). And since I also drew Wol's SSB and Sarah's BSB on the Renewal banner, the need for FF1 synergy actually isn't terribly pressing anymore, I have a viable CM build with debuff-based mitigation and a very good Medica now.
Firion - Wrathable/Lifesiphonable instant MBlink remains amazing even now.
Edge - Water BSB to improve my game against Liquid Flame. Edge has -issues- building up gauge, though, and this would be more to fuel those 5* Ninja skills... which actually wouldn't be a bad idea when I have Rikku's Tidal Knuckle. It has Edge's name written all over it.
Lenna - FINALLY a healing SB for FF5 and a Mind stick that isn't completely ancient for FF5. However, how much do I -need- to cover that niche?
Bartz 2 - Water BSB to improve my game against Liquid Flame. Objectively not a great choice, though...
Setzer - Good compliment for his USB. Question is: do I -need- a more powerful debuff game when I already have Fujin BSB, Fran BSB and Faris USB?
Yuffie - Same ballpark as Edge. Same equip options, a character I like more and a more flexible skillset... but she has considerably less raw offense than he does.
Tidus - See Bartz. The BSB combos nicely with the OSB, at least... but there's that FFX banner looming with his USB and BSB2.
Vaan - Yes, it's pretty dang awesome. ON THE OTHER HAND, it also plays into "how much do I need debuffing?". To make matters more difficult, Vaan's BSB and USB are pretty much mutually exclusive. It risks being little more than a glorified +10 ATK to Vaan in spite of the on-paper package.
Sazh - I already have way too many 610 buffs, but his offers nice stackable debuffs and a neat instacast Wrath game, which is currently hard to replicate.

Someone help me.

EDIT: Some more for the lulzies possibilities: Palom, Kefka, Vivi, QUINA QUEN, Curilla, Penelo, Snow.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on October 13, 2017, 10:29:33 PM
"Huh, announcement didn't mention another selection, is that really... oh, yes.  Yes it is."

Decided to take CoD burst.  My FFIII is all of the map, and I have some decent physical side darkness, but y'know what I don't have?  Radiant Shield native. I have most of the best stuff from the select already (Yuna, Y'shtola, and Vanille bursts, and I took Fujin's the first time around), and having that in the tool kit seems like a good idea, especially for some of the bitchier Magicites.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 14, 2017, 01:55:29 AM
Radiant Shield is really good for Magicites, but CoD's version doesn't gel as well because of the BSB's offensive nature (I find it better on buffing SBs like Alphinaud's SSB or Curilla's amazing USB, which tends to sneak its way into a lot of my party comps even outside Magicites). CoD herself can at least function as a secondary healer, though, or a secondary DPS off hones if you care.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on October 14, 2017, 12:31:33 PM
Yeah, that's what I was looking at.  Have her be able to step in and toss up Radiant Shield, maybe toss around some curajas in between might be enough to shave some times into the sub-1 range, which makes all the difference.  e: since yeah, her entry being elemental means it's either useless or even counterproductive depending on the fight.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 15, 2017, 01:31:31 AM
At least it's not entirely pointless on Mist and Shadow Dragon!

This said, took the bite and grabbed Edge's BSB for Liquid Flame purposes. Levelled him up to 99, grabbed his RM3 and went for a spin. His BSB and the water Ninja skills alone lowered by time from high 50s to 32s in a good run, which is just -insane-. With some extra Record Diving (not even taking Legend Dives into account here), I might pull off a sub-30 run with just THAT. If I bother Legend Diving him, he'll actually pump me into consistent sub-30 material and his Water spamming setup actually makes for a viable A-team unit. It'll be even DUMBER when those abilities get buffed. The USB still adds more damage due to the myriad XA and ultraquick castings, but his BSB's actually pretty damn viable even now with the Enwater. Yeah, not regretting the decision.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on October 15, 2017, 08:53:13 PM
I myself picked Edea's Burst for better Ice damage, and it compliments Reynn, my only real source of ice damage, so I can focus on a Mage team in that regard.  CT, I think I'll go with Larsa's Burst because it's between the following (assume "Dupe" if not listed):

Sarah: I have her SSB, so needing a good medica for FF1 isn't QUITE as needed, but still a decent option.
CoD: I have Deployment Tactics so no need for Radiant Shield, and honestly I got a good draw of FF3 stuff now, don't feel the need for CoD's.  On the other side, I have plenty of Dark and Holy soul Breaks, of both flavors, to boot so doesn't really catch anything.
Krile: So...a Fire Mage BSB...I have Terra's "everything" (except Trance Fira ;_; ), Papalymo's BSB AND OSB, and Refia's BSB just to name a few...do you really think I need this?
Aerith: Ok, I could use a better FF7 Medica but god damn is this clearly worse than every other potential option on this list, so hell no.  Also I do have a 2ndary Medica besides Aerth's SSB in Yuffie's Clear Tranquil to boot.
Seifer: Honestly...I look at this BSB and I'm utterly unimpressed.  Plus I have his USB anyway.
Prishe: Ok, this looks actually pretty cool, not sure if I need it but it's certainly something worth looking at.  I have her Medica SSB fwiw.
Larsa: Mentioned above, it's my top contender.  Of note, I have nothing of his and my only FF12 Medica is Intercession.
Vanille: This one would also be good since I only have Oerba's Boon; it's use has been compromised in an era of instant USBs, but it's certainly worth looking at.
Orlandu: A BSB that really is unimpressive if you don't have his OSB, so yeah, not worth it.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 16, 2017, 05:42:14 AM
Vanille's BSB does have -one- niche even in the instant USB era: it's the only instant Curaga BSB that comes with a command Medica. This is actually a rather relevant niche, especially when Vanille's Medica also gets that nice +30% MND boost stacked with BSB boosts. She's also one of the best healer candidates for Legend Diving, the AoE healing output she can provide is off the charts with dualcast+those healing boosts.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Clear Tranquil on October 19, 2017, 07:52:41 PM
/me picks Larsa and Orlandu

/me goes on internet and sees data for Larsa Ultra

Whelp~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 19, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
I went ahead and went with Vanille and Tifa for the second set.  Vanille for insta-healing being a thing I lacked on a Medica, and Tifa because I have her OSB.

Also the FF7 Renewal landed me Cid’s Burst on the 100-gem.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 26, 2017, 05:43:47 AM
I did a pull on the Bra Bra banner just because I saw OK's BSB on there...  Got 3/11.

Mog's SSB.  Well, it's...  Something for when I have to use him?
Kefka's BSB2.  Oh cool, I have Magic Squall now, except with Dark instead of Ice.
Edward's USB.  Whelp, I run mages now forever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on October 27, 2017, 02:19:00 AM
I resisted pulling on the FF15 event banner because I was able to BS my way through the Cid mission without SBs, but now that the Renewal banner is up I found myself with more mythril than I'd planned on and tempted by the (however faint) prospect of the Airstep Sword. So I rolled the dice and it turns out the dice like me. Noctis BSB, LMR and the shiny shiny SSB, plus Gladioulus' SSB thrown in for kicks. Awesome.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on October 27, 2017, 02:23:04 AM
So, banners popped up.

100 Gem.  Got a dupe Sword of the Father.  Okay, 7* Sword.

Planned on pulling on FF8-1 for ice stuff, was sitting on the screen for the FF15 renewal, but was looking on a few sites for the 8 banners, so...

...I spent 50 Mythril on the wrong banner, and got Gladiolus SSB and an 8* Sword of the Father to show for it.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on October 29, 2017, 11:39:21 PM
While I was on vacation, I pulled 100-gems on all the renewall banners and also pulled on the BRA-BRA banner thrice, FF2 event banner once and FF13 renewall banner once. Results: Krile's first SSB, Kefka's first BSB, an Yda BSB dupe and Delita's BSB, all from 100-gems; Edward's BSB, Mog's SSB and USB and Cait Sith's BSB  and Vanille's USB, alongside Fang SSB2 and Hope OSB dupes. Oh, and two copies of Scott's and Gordon's SSBs. Overall not bad at all - Mog's USB is AMAZING and Cait's BSB in particular got me a sub-30 Liquid Flame clear. I'm MC3-ing both of them for that. I really hope we'll see a Cait USB and Legend Dive before 2018 in JP, but that may be a wet dream.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Scar on November 15, 2017, 07:00:17 PM
Kain gets a chain, but his usb is this upcoming banner.

Should I wait or try on this one?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 15, 2017, 07:14:46 PM
There hasn't been a return on his USB on a normal banner -and- his USB is freaking good. If you have spare Mythril, I'd give it a shot or two. Also, having one doesn't trivialize the other, you're likely using both if you have them, just run an Entrust bot for maximum results.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on November 20, 2017, 02:05:54 AM
Been sorta feeling the lack of high end mage SBs lately, and we've been showered with bonus mythril, sooooo fuck it, toss an 11 pull at the second FFIV banner.

Rydia USB, Rydia LMR, Ursula SSB, Ursula LMR.

Sure, that'll do.  The hone situation to use Rydia's LMR well is inherently dicey of course, but still, something to play with here.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 20, 2017, 04:12:19 AM
I picked up Rydia LMR, USB and OSB off the banner myself. Since I -also- have her BSB1 and her SSB, this gives me a +50 MAG Rydia and now I'm seriously considering Legend Diving her once I have the motes available. I still need to farm Summon Orbs for higher levels on Titan and Ogopogo, though (granted, Titan isn't -too- important, but I can't really use Rydia's Enwater properly without Ogopogo due to not getting her BSB2... I mean, I can run Chain Waterga, but that'd waste all her fast cast and dualcast procs). The daily revamp can't come soon enough.

EDIT: THIS SAID, in December we're getting the FF9 event with Fantastic Unlimited Vivi Swag and its banner 1 is about as good as it gets (very few dupes, Eiko Legend Materia would be fucking hot and almost all of the tech available is a significant upgrade for my FF9 team). If I finally manage to pick up some decent Vivi tech (USB alone would suffice, though BSB2 would be a veritable upgrade too), he skips straight to the front of the line in Legend Diving priority. That LD is seriously good stuff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 20, 2017, 11:34:20 PM
Well, I beat JS Valvalis using the exploit that apparently no one knew existed in FF4TAY.   A lot easier to exploit "Jump on her head a lot until she remembers who she is and kills herself" in a game that has more than one Dragoon, and Jump-style attacks are actually a competent form of offense.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 21, 2017, 01:17:26 PM
Holy shit, have 50 Mythril spare on your pockets because this year's Black Friday is a G3 Lucky Draw with BSB+ relics only.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 24, 2017, 01:24:36 PM
Okay, that went really well. Elena BSB, Zell BSB(!), Refia BSB(!!!), Fang OSB, Terra OSB. I've been coveting those monk BSBs for ages, and Terra's OSB has me halfway to one of the game's best ability combos.

Also threw 100 at the FFX banner and it turned out....pretty okay? Paine USB/LMR and a third Chaos Rod on the first pull, Rikku BSB on the second. Paine's gear is definitely better than a hole in the head, but my worry is that her Ultra is mostly outclassed by Bartz and relies on the same ability hones to work its EX Mode magic, so I'm not sure this buys her a spot on my Liquid Flame team.

Also, belated griping about Apocalypse+ Hojo goes here. Omni-resist, status spam, stupid amounts of HP, and I was having major internet issues when the event ran so I had to fight him solo. Finally pulled it off with Squall just using the NE portion of his BSB2 damage and Cloud spamming Omega Drive, with a double healer setup and double status mitigation via Affliction Break and Astra (Vanille USB). Yeeeesh.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 24, 2017, 02:54:15 PM
Meanwhile, I got two BSB dupes (Rinoa 2 and I don't even remember the other) and Seph's BSB1 and CYAN BSB. That was pointless. Dropped 50 Mythril on FFX banner and landed Wakka and Paine BSB dupes. Grah.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on November 24, 2017, 03:03:44 PM
Seph BSB1 is good to have, at least. Your lineup is stacked enough that I'm not sure you need ITD physical options, but it's the only one around and you've got it, so there's that.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 24, 2017, 03:34:40 PM
I suppose. It's just that I can't see all that much use for a non-elemental two-hit ITD physical on content where I can't RW Cloud USB. I mean, I'm not bringing Seph to sub-30 Magicite with that, and past that... there's not really much in the way of actually difficult content in the game? Were it at least his BSB2, I'd have another viable Dark physical option, and -that's- a niche where I'm objectively lacking (magical dark is pretty nuts due to LD'd Raines and Kuja/Nabaat BSBs, which etch me consistent sub-30 Mist Dragon runs, at least). Cyan's BSB, actually looking at it, would've been kinda neat like a year ago, the party-wide crit bonus+Retaliate combo is kinda cool. But that's just not where the metagame's at.

That and I still need non-Ice Chain Soul Breaks. Man, having Ingus' CSB would be nice. Or Zack's. Or Tidus'. You get the drill.

EDIT: It just hit me that I'm likely just a maintenance and a FFTA event away from picking up enough tools to sub-30 all current Magicites. I still have Earth, Lightning and Dark left, but they're all in the 33-38 seconds range and I can see where Shelke's LD and the ability buff would let me shave off those seconds. Fire and Wind sub-30s are slightly inconsistent, but Ice, Water and Holy I've got more or less down to a science. Dark in particular, just being able to fling Orlandeau OSBs earlier and faster would be a gamechanger, since Raines BSB/OSB does the rest of the work.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on November 24, 2017, 03:37:40 PM
I dropped 50 Mythril and got the following:
Relm USB
Shadow USB
Curilla USB
Vaan LMR

Opinion of the last one being that I have Vaan’s BSB, so...
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on November 24, 2017, 09:33:20 PM
My pull was Lightning's OSB, Vayne's OSB, and Balthier's BSB2.

Not bad.  All 3 are things I didn't have, Vayne's OSB is a +Dark Hybrid weapon, so good for basically sword using Villain, I have Lightning's SSB2 to compliment her OSB, and Balthier's BSB2 is a Fire Imperil.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on November 24, 2017, 10:09:40 PM
Edward USB, ward Burst, Beatrix Burst, and Edea LMR.

I’d been thinking of pulling on the BraBra banner but that seems sorted now. Ward’s not good but he Is my first earth-physical deal. Beatrix... well I have Agrias Burst too, but hey, more swords I guess. Edea I only have SSB and below on so eh, but hey, no dupes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 25, 2017, 05:26:48 PM
I caved in and dropped two more pulls on FFX banner because Tidus USB ain't showing up again anytime soon and -any- of his equips would be relevant for me. End result was Wakka's LMR, another Wakka BSB dupe, Yuna's Chaos Rod, Tidus' LMR and his USB. Yeah, that's almost pretty much all I could ask for and I even got a complete Yuna to boot (not that it MATTERS much considering Song for Spira and Tenets of the Fayth are all I use with her, but hey! Waifuness I guess). I'm just glad I dodged Rikku BSB and Sword of Paine dupes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 01, 2017, 10:46:12 AM
100-gem pull on the FFTA banner dropped me Ramza's Kiyomori. I already didn't intend to do any actual pulling on it, so getting some new loot from that -anyway- is a nice bonus. I'm -insanely- overgeared for FFT anyway.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 01, 2017, 12:45:41 PM
I did three pulls and came away with Ramza's new burst and LMR, plus Marche's LMR and SSB. So tempted to keep chasing the USBs, but that Ramza gear is pretty great on its own.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 01, 2017, 01:05:26 PM
Tempting though "MOAR RAMZA STUFF" is, I'd have 3 dupes on that banner (Ramza USB, Agrias BSB, Ramza SSB2), and I gather the FFT event a wee bit down the line will repeat Ramza's BSB2 and LMR on the same banner with more new stuff, so holding out.  For now.  Maybe.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 01, 2017, 03:30:19 PM
My soul is preemptively sold to the FF9 event banner this month - as in I may skip even Super Fest. I just want something GOOD for Vivi.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 01, 2017, 04:51:33 PM
I feel about that way about the VI banner.  I want a Terra that can burninate the gods.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on December 02, 2017, 06:35:58 AM
https://i.imgur.com/L44u4hE.png

always play favorites
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 02, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
I feel about that way about the VI banner.  I want a Terra that can burninate the gods.

I think I'll just wait for the gem-only banner that lets you choose a LMR/SSB to hand Terra her LMR. I don't have much use for the BSB2 when I already have her USB/OSB combo, but the LMR would give her sustain before getting the USB online.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 04, 2017, 02:52:57 AM
I..is that Soul Break named 'Royal Brothership?'

Like really, FF? You decided to make up an Engrish word instead of just using say... Brotherhood?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 04, 2017, 04:13:58 AM
100-gem pull on banner 2: Montblanc's BSB. Welp, I guess I can spare a MC3 lode for him.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 05, 2017, 01:22:41 PM
My 100 gems also produced a Montblanc relic! I can't wait to use his....uh, LMR.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 06, 2017, 11:33:35 AM
Lucky Draw: 1/11 Shotgun. Rage.

On the other hand, one of the Elite Dungeons gave me 20 4* Vitality Motes, which was all I needed to do a full Legend Dive on Tidus. Time to take him for a spin on Liquid Flame.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 06, 2017, 03:51:15 PM
2/11: Penelo burst and Gabranth ultra. Gabranth's ultra is a standard but perfectly solid elemental EX mode (which can quickcast new casts of the USB, unlike Paine's) so he's got a free pass to my dark team, and Penelo's burst is a solid upgrade on Porom's -- same entry but with token white magic damage added in, and an extra self MND buff to further beef up her AOE heal. No ST heal, but I rarely use those in healing bursts unless it's instant or provides a blink.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 07, 2017, 01:44:06 AM
3/11.

Cid7’s Shout Clone Super - Well, he’s good for FF7 CMs now.
Hope’s BSB2 Bracer dupe
Cloud’s BSB2 - I have his OSB and LMR.  I’m set for Cloud being one of my best again.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 07, 2017, 02:08:00 AM
2/11: Penelo burst and Gabranth ultra. Gabranth's ultra is a standard but perfectly solid elemental EX mode (which can quickcast new casts of the USB, unlike Paine's) so he's got a free pass to my dark team, and Penelo's burst is a solid upgrade on Porom's -- same entry but with token white magic damage added in, and an extra self MND buff to further beef up her AOE heal. No ST heal, but I rarely use those in healing bursts unless it's instant or provides a blink.

The Mag+Mnd on Penelo's only 15%. It's actually not that great because it tries to do too many things at once. It's a decentish option for white mage offense, though. She did get a second BSB for a reason. Gabranth USB's pretty solid, though.

Anyhow, Shelkestrats got me my first sub-30 clear on Hydra - and a venue for consistent as fuck subsequent sub-30s on it and I'm so close to getting a sub-30 on Golem with it as well. I have sub-30 Shadow Dragon as well thanks to her. I'm almost done with pointless Magicite achievements, which should get me in decent shape for sub-60s on 4* Magicites. I will say this: Shelke LD and Mog's USB are REALLY good for high-grade SB spamming. My Hydra sub-30 involved dropping ten billion SB gauges on Rydia for BSB => OSB spam.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 07, 2017, 03:30:31 AM
Speed run when Snow?????
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 07, 2017, 10:35:44 AM
Speed run when Snow?????

Actually, I just managed a sub-30 run on Hydra last night! 26 seconds, too, which means I can pull it off consistently enough (if not for Golem's stun procs on Savage Earth Shaker, it'd be pretty much 20/20 territory). All it took was less sloppy execution and giving OK a couple Wind boosting equips. This concludes my trek to sub-30 all of the current Magicites, now I can just farm Mist and Shadow Dragon so I can have fully cap-broken 3* Magicite sets. Only Unicorn and Phantom left.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 08, 2017, 04:40:46 AM
So... those new exploration dungeons in JP look really cool.

I loved the beautifully-rendered FF6-sprite-style cutcenes in the trailer. 16-bit Balthier throwing 16-bit Vaan over his shoulder and then jumping off a building onto the speeder was both awesome and hilarious. Why wasn't that part of FFRK from the beginning?

Oh, and don't think I didn't notice those sprites of Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie you snuck in there, DeNA. I think we know the next FF7 PCs~
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 08, 2017, 10:58:35 AM
It has been a long time, FF9 banners. Our current situation is as follows (four pulls total slotted for this):

1st pull: Holy Rod, Excalibur 2
2nd pull: Royal Gown (dupe), Lamia Tiara
3rd pull: Tin Armor (dupe, Rosetta Stone), Holy Rod (...), Excalibur 2 (......)
4th pull: Royal Gown (welp, now I have a 5**+), Heavy Armor, Gravity Rod (!), Judicer's Staff (!!!)

So uh yeah. My main targets all acquired. I'd like Eiko and Vivi LMRs, but not really a priority, eh? I'm just happy I'll be able to use Vivi again. Also, husbando +70 ATK Steiner is a thing, but mang is his USB awkward. Garnet will make a hella good buffer for my mages once the 5* stacking buff songs arrive, too... though she might have to compete with Deuce for that slot. ON THE OTHER HAND, I can slot her in for Allegro con Motto/MAG song a lot more easily than I can with Deuce, since she has healing duties to perform. I might take that for a spin on Kraken come February.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 08, 2017, 12:32:45 PM
"There's some good stuff on this banner, but I'm down to 65 mythril after my FFTA binge and I should save for the fest and FF3."

"Hm. Still, though. I do have some store credit. Might as well do a 100 gem pull."

*Judicer's Staff*

O_o
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 08, 2017, 03:25:35 PM
squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Grefter on December 08, 2017, 10:35:33 PM
Also, husbando +70 ATK Steiner is a thing

wow your taste in men has really deteriorated
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 11, 2017, 03:52:14 AM
Also, husbando +70 ATK Steiner is a thing

wow your taste in men has really deteriorated

Don't blame me, blame RNGesus.

EDIT: 100-gem pull on the second banner gives me Zidane's BSB2. Um, okay. Also, yesterday, the 100-gem on the Crystal Tower FF4 banner handed me Ceodore's LMR. So uh yeah two relics I'll probably hardly ever use, but I don't -really- mind.

This said, Crystal Tower and the Jump Start gave me enough 5* motes to fully Legend Dive Vivi. Only problem is I still need about 50 4* Wisdom motes to finish his Record Dive. Oh well. Before the end of the month we'll be able to farm that shit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 14, 2017, 07:06:16 PM
Two observations from the FF9 event:

1) Vivi with his ultra is bonafide crazy. I hadn't seen a need to make Meltdown at all before, now I've got it R3'd because those three turns of death under Vivi's EX mode (followed by a USB recast) are enough to nuke down anything that doesn't omni-resist. And that's before I've worked out a reliable way to trigger his trance LM!

2) Holy shit, D220 Nova Dragon. Yet another omni-resist boss, and one that spams AOE like FFRK is doing a Dynasty Warriors collab. I ended up relying on Squall BSB2's NE component as my main DPS, and even with Onion Knight and Y'shtola constantly keeping him topped off I ended up eating back-to-back Sap and HP->1 that meant he was guaranteed to die in a matter of seconds, reducing my offense to Irvine's BSB with ~25% of the boss's life still to go. I resigned myself to an S/L after the Lowen Roar I was charging went off.....

…...and it triplecast. Dead dragon. GODDAMN.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 14, 2017, 07:24:30 PM
I actually found Nova Dragon pretty manageable on MO. But I ran Rikku/Y'shtola for support, buffs, breaks and healing while two Clouds with USB and Omega Drive did the nasty work. Also, yes, USB Vivi is -utterly nuts-. I so wish I had the Wisdom 4* motes to dive him all the way, but alas. Also, Chain Firaga also doesn't stay very far behind if you're not having Fire resist.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on December 15, 2017, 12:21:06 AM
Wait wait wait. So FFRK recently moved towards 'concentrating on elemental damage is the best way to increase DPS' and then simultaneously introduced a bunch of bosses that resist all elements?

:V
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 16, 2017, 01:12:44 AM
To be fair, a lot of the resistance is only like 20% resistance, not 50%, and even against the 50% resistances, there's a large number of characters who can do damage in-spite of the elemental resistance.

I've seen plenty of cases like, say, Terra's Omen (Fire/Non) get resisted...before she even has En-Fire.  As in, yes, even resisted, her Fire damage outpaced her Non-elemental damage.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 17, 2017, 02:26:39 AM
At this point even non-whales have had time to put together elemental teams across the spectrum that can handle D220 content, so omni-resist becomes the natural (if uncreative) way to step up difficulty.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 19, 2017, 10:52:11 AM
New dailies = more first time reward major orbs to pick up. Currently farming Black Crystals for R4 Meltdown. Also crafted and honed Flare to R4 because why not have a reasonably powerful non-elemental option for Vivi multicast spam.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 20, 2017, 10:57:16 AM
So, the issue with FF13's new Jump Start: go to the JS menu, click on Event Rules, click on Enter Event, restart the app. Now you should be able to access the fight for those sweet Vitality and Wisdom motes. Just got Vivi Legend Dived.

EDIT: so uh about Trance Vivi, he just triplecasted CHAIN FIRAGA for 120k damage on Magicite Sealion. That Vivi LD+USB combo might be slightly broken.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 25, 2017, 02:52:55 PM
So, this Christmas' Lucky Draws are over. My results:

Healer LD: Eiko USB. This would be amazing, but it's a dupe. Oh well.
BSB LD: Donkey Kong Country Cecil and Luneth BSBs. The former probably won't see any real use, but it's not a dupe at least. The latter finally gives Luneth a source of Enwind, which would pair nicely with his OSB.
USB/OSB/CSB LD: Rosa USB and Warrior of Light CSB. JACKPOT

Yeah, I can pretty safely skip the upcoming fest. Got a new Chain, got the best healing USB in the game. Life is good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 25, 2017, 04:41:03 PM
Skipped the first two, but got one of my big fest prizes in the 6* draw, namely Lightning USB. Along with Pencil's OSB and Ultras for Gordon and Edea.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on December 25, 2017, 09:07:51 PM
Nice haul. Are you considering a Legend Dive for Edea? Fixed dualcasting is really powerful, though honing the Witch abilities is kinda tough.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Cmdr_King on December 25, 2017, 10:28:22 PM
Agrias osb, Sephy usb, and... Shadow USB.  Welp, rest of fest can be a whiff and I did fine.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on December 26, 2017, 01:26:35 AM
So, these three LDs...

Healer:
Minwu USB - This is new, and basically looks like it warrants a spot of consideration for harder content.
Relm SSB - Dupe.

BSB:
Deuce BSB - This is new.  Almost thinking that she's going to go on my Magicite teams now.
Braska BSB - Well...  New, but I have his USB, and I'm still wondering if I should LD Braska, and if this would have any use.

6*:
Pecil OSB - Dupe.
Quistis OSB - I actually wanted this for a really long time.  I also have her BSB, so Rage Mage En-Element -> OSB is a go?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on December 30, 2017, 03:19:07 AM
Two pulls on the third festival banner got me a dupe Cloud BSB2, Zack BSB, and...... Cloud USB! Hell yeah!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on December 31, 2017, 05:58:10 PM
I kind of want to pull on Banner 3 but I have 4 dupes (Tidus Chain, Fujin/Alph/Edge BSBs), making me "errr..." on the idea. 

I did, on bright side, 100 Gem Basch's BSB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 02, 2018, 03:02:21 AM
Used my remaining 100 mythril on banner 4, got Snow's chain, two extra Axis Blades and Lightning and Lenna's BSB2s. Worst chain in the fest, but it's still a chain, and at least I've got Snow's burst so he can contribute some ice damage given enough support. Of the burst weapons, Lightning's is the clear prize - paired with her USB it's an easy choice to legend dive her.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 02, 2018, 03:09:53 AM
I actually did a pull on banner 3 myself, got Tidus Chain, Cloud USB, Zack BSB and an Edge BSB dupe. Yeah, this is satisfying enough. Also did a pull on this event's banner for the Kefkas and got Edward+Desch USBs and Echo's Burst 2 instead. I finally have the MAG-based god faithga I've been wanting since like Minfilia USB was released, and this is even almost as good as OK's Faithga USB. Really weird to have Edward as one of my best buffers full stop (I have all his SBs since Song of Swiftness), but so it goes.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 02, 2018, 09:41:03 PM
I finally cracked 30 seconds in a Magicite fight! Not using any of my new kit (although I surely could manhandle Fenrir if I needed any more wind magicites), just a good run against Shadow Dragon where Raines got a bunch of doublecasts. And I'm very close on Bismarck, got to 32s with Lightning and Kain providing my offense. Maybe if I gave Kain TGM....
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 02, 2018, 10:18:08 PM
I think Kain isn't that great an option if you have nothing better than his BSB. TGM may help on him if you can cover the problem of his Jumps being slow, at least, but the DPS without a USB or a chain sorta underwhelms me.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 02, 2018, 11:01:21 PM
Yeah, but I'm lacking other physical lightning options and would see a notable downturn in Lightning's damage if I switched away from Ramza and Eiko on buffs. A mixed party is my next strategy if I can't shave those few seconds, but my kneejerk is that using Ashe or Shantotto would hurt more than it helps.

Edit: Success! Gathering Storm cut five seconds from my time, down to 27 and change.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 03, 2018, 02:11:12 PM
Awesome! I think I may start running Garnet instead of Rafa against Bismarck now that I have her and Desch's USB. The RES buff from Rafa's BSB also gets covered by Edward's USB, sooooooooo...

This said, finally got a good enough groove to very consistently sub-30 Fenrir with a mage party. Shelke => Edward USB => Yuna BSB2 => Rinoa Chain => Allegro con Motto => Mage's Hymn => Edea BSB => toodles. It works great even if Rinoa gets slowed.

Also, the 100-gem pull on B5 got me Garland's OSB. Okay, I guess.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 06, 2018, 06:16:50 AM
Did a pull on Banner 5.  Got WoL's CSB, 2 Marche USBs, and Golbez's BSB.  I am ok with this!

Also pulled for Terra's BSB2, got my 3rd Asura's Rod and a worthless chocobo Brush.  Well, I got a reforged Rod, I suppose, and another Rosetta Stone.  I'll hold off the mythril pulling until another banner for the waifu pulls; this banner is not worth throwing a crap ton of mythril just for +10 Magic.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 09, 2018, 01:21:21 PM
4* Mote farming changes dynamics a lot. I did some runs on Great Behemoth to reap enough VIT Motes to Record Dive WoL, since he could use better stats and some ability damage buffing to go with his Chain. Too bad his LD is -awful-, but so it goes. When the Wisdom dungeon shows up again, I'll probably farm those to 4* Dive Rydia. Still not sure if I'll LD her (my summon hones aren't that good), but having both her BSB1, OSB and LMR make for quite a compelling case, especially considering my odds of grabbing Alphinaud's USB don't look so good.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 11, 2018, 11:58:50 AM
So, about that OK banner: I had 100 Mythril and an 11-pull's worth of leftover gems and fuck, it's my birthday. Three pulls left me with OK's Sage USB, Refia USB, Ingus BSB 2, CoD BSB2 and LMR and Aria BSB. Arc and Refia BSB dupes also happened at some point, but overall great haul - and OK's USB even showed up on the first pull. Happy birthday indeed.

Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on January 11, 2018, 04:14:11 PM
Well, that's awesome. I haven't pulled yet but almost certainly will -- I just want to be sure I'll have enough for the realm lucky, the water banner and OK. I've got so many party buffs already that this one is the lowest priority out of the three.

Magicite Sub-30s: wind, water, ice, dark. Still need drops from all but water and wind, so there's a good bit of grinding left to do.

Edit: 3/11 on the realm draw. Rikku SSB dupe, Curilla BSB, Lion USB. Shame the USB wasn't for one of the other two, but it's better than a poke in the eye.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on January 12, 2018, 12:10:07 AM
Oh yeah. Realm LD got me Auron's first BSB and Jecht's Ultra. I'm really not sure how would I fit Jecht into my team comps, considering all of my honed Darkness abilities are magical, but I guess that's certainly -something-. 
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on January 17, 2018, 03:19:51 AM
Realm Lucky got me Rafa's USB, and a dupe Shantotto SSB.  I am ok with this.

Did a birthday pull on the FF6 banner last minute for waifu BSB2, got ANOTHER Mog BSB, Locke's BSB2 and Celes' LMR.  Could be worse.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on February 07, 2018, 01:28:40 AM
Dissidia VIllain's Banner: 5/11. 

-Ex-death SSB2 (meh, +Dark staff I don't need at all and Soul Break is easily replace-able)
-Gabranth SSB (+Dark Helmet, that's actually kind of alright)
-CoD BSB2 (Ok, this is really cool)
-Garland CSB x2 (OH HELL YES!!)

Didn't get a Kefka relic like I wanted, but I really can't complain about the above.

Realm Lucky: 2/11.  Another Fusion Sword (...didn't even notice FF7 was on it -_-), and Locke's Ultra (Ok, THIS is pretty awesome.)
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 07, 2018, 02:20:55 AM
4/11: Setzer full breakdown SSB (reforge time!), Yuffie LMR, Cyan SSB, Setzer USB!

Final Trump is useless for Magicite meta but fuck it, I've coveted that thing since it dropped and now it's mine! And Yuffie's LMR means I now have both ninja LMRs that auto-blink, which is better than a hole in the head for ability spam once the blink-dependent abilities get their buff.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Magic Fanatic on February 07, 2018, 04:16:00 AM
100-Gem on CT Banner: Lightning LMR.  Functionally useless since my only other relic for her is her BSB1, and she pales in comparison to Marach's LMR (which is the only thing I have for him), say nothing of my other competent Lightning DPS.
Lucky Draw: 1/11 Locke BSB2.  Annoyed that it doesn't do anything for me, but eh.  Just means my game plans don't change.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 07, 2018, 10:23:38 AM
100-gem pull on the Crystal Tower FF6 banner: Locke's CSB. I'LL TAKE IT.

Realm LD: 2/11. Locke's SSB2 (the Enfire one, sorta useless to me because I have his LMR, but I seriously lacked Light Armors for FF6, so that's good), Relm USB. So uh yeah, 10/10 day for pulling, would gacha again.

EDIT: as for actual game content, I'm parsing orb farming, XP farming and 4* magicite slaving haphazardly. The good news: already cleared four Magicites (Kraken, Isgebind, Marilith and Ixion), scoring sub-30s on Marilith, Ixion and Isgebind. Isgy's sub-30 was a lucky fluke, sadly, but Maril and Ixion are perfectly consistent - Ixion in particular makes me happy because there's a lot of leeway, averaging 25s with a very RNG-proof, if quite execution-heavy, setup, and Earth is by far my worst element in terms of coverage. I haven't given much of a try on Midgarsormr yet - doesn't seem overwhelmingly damaging, but very much of a boring slog due to my Wind being slow on the draw and sorta haphazard. Tiamat... oh dear god the nightmares. Savage Jet Fire is some Barthandelus Ultimate Dispel-calibur bullshit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 10, 2018, 12:31:33 PM
GUYZE

KINGDOM HEARTS COLLAB WITH SORA, RIKU, LOSERFACE ORGY XIII, LOLIGOTH CLOUD AND LEON DRESS RECORDS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTgXgbJtJKk&feature=youtu.be

AND GLOBAL RK GETS IT SIMULTANEOUSLY

https://ffrk.jp/cpn/gummiship/en/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtUW1AzwBi0&feature=youtu.be

I'm in gay nerd heaven/hell right now
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on February 10, 2018, 05:00:03 PM
And it has relics! We get Cloud UOSB2 before they're supposed to debut in Global at all!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on February 10, 2018, 09:09:02 PM
What the hell, Square? Why do you do this to me now? First a VP and a SO crossover in BE, now a proper KH crossover in RK?

Just make a goddamn Squeenix Smash Bros clone already and end my long wait....
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 09, 2018, 06:21:32 AM
While Djinn continues to pine about Super Square-enix Bros Orgy XIII Versus Fabula Nova Eternum 314/2.3 Weeks Re:Nier'd Starring Tetsuya Nomura, I'll just mention my last few pulls of note!

Kingdom Hearts:  2/11 on Half Price.  Riku's Glint and his BSB.  I'll take it.

FF8 Banner 2: 1/11, Selphie's BSB2.  I wanted an FF8 Medica, and I finally got one, now I have a medica in every realm (...though I probably should consider upgrading my FF7 Medica from Aerith's SSB...though I do have Clear Tranquil at least...)

Dungeon Lucky: 1/11, Kimhari's BSB.  It's new but god damn do I feel like I've been cheated...

FF9-1: 100 Gem'd Beatrix's USB.  WHAT. THE. FUCK?
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 09, 2018, 01:52:29 PM
Three KH pulls netted me Riku's glint (boooooo) and Sora's AOSB, USB and lightning glint. Even if he's never getting realm synergy again I feel like that's mythril well spent. Tri-elemental Arcane Overstrike with all three en-elements via LM, and a good tri-elemental Ultra for when that's used up? Hell yeah.

Holding off on the realm lucky because I've only got ~70 mythril left and I wanna see the anniversary banners.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 10, 2018, 01:29:31 AM
Oh yeah, pulls.

KH: five pulls. Got everything but the BSB for Sora, Cloud's BSB3 and Riku's Glint/LMR/BSB. That's good.

Dungeon Lucky: Auron LMR and Hope/Auron BSB dupes. That was a waste.

FF9-1: 100-gemmed Zidane USB. I may have to try him out on Midgarsormr.

Meanwhile, I'm 4/6 for sub-30'd Magicites, including Tiamat. Only Midgarsormr and Kraken left.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Nitori on March 11, 2018, 10:54:06 AM
https://i.imgur.com/tUdxtwB.png

I need to play six months in the future to out-Snow Snow

Happy gacha is Machina LMR/Orlandu SSB dupe/Ignis SSB/Estienen SSB/Sazh SSB1 dupe, must mean happy for DeNa
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 11, 2018, 09:46:53 PM
needs more ysayle and rinoa chain
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 26, 2018, 01:16:12 AM
Here's the results of the Parade + Free Pulls.  Haven't done the 2nd 33 pull for 50 Mythril:

FF15/T/T0: Malach's LMR (Well, I have his Ultra at least)
FF14: Y'shtola's USB (there was much rage when I saw the Disco turn into this...)
FF13: Sazh's SSB (Dupe -_-)
FF12: Vayne's BSB (ok, this is nice to go with his OSB that I have.  Fun fact? When I got this, I went "This is an omen; Vayne is going to be the revealed character in Dissidia Tomorrow!" ...and that's exactly what happened, leading to me saying "I WAS JOKING ABOUT THAT!")
FF11: Prishe Medica SSB (Dupe...)
FF10: Seymour LMR (I have his Super but little else, so blech)
FF9: Steiner SSB2 (Dupe *le sigh*)
FF8: Rinoa SSB1 (...I joked this is the worst thing you could get on the banner, go figure the game did this to me...)
FF7: Zack LMR (On one hand, YAY ZACK RELIC! On the otherhand, I don't have anything beyond his Uniques ;_; )
FF6: Kefka OSB (and thus, I FINALLY have a relic for every single villain in the game!  ALso BEST ANIMATION IN THE GAME!!!)
FF5: Lenna BSB (Whatever one I didn't have already, I now how both, let's leave it at that!)
FF4: Ursula LMR (I have her Burst, so not a total loss)
FF3: Cloud of Darkness LMR (I have her Hastega+Faithga Burst, so this isn't a loss at all)
FF2: Firion Burst (Dupe)
FF1: Echo SSB2 (I hate life sometimes...)

Yeah, the Parade basically kicked my ass outside of FF5, FF6, and FF12, getting Supers, Dupes and LMRs everywhere, as well as the ultimate Troll in the FF14 Draw.

Free 11 pull:
Paine's LMR (Dupe)
Kimhari's SSB (Dupe...also go to hell, Kimhari)
Garnet's SSB1 (graaaah!)
Locke's OSB (...ok, that's fine)
Rem's USB (that's ALSO fine!)

Yeah, basically got both trolled AND satisfied in the same draw, getting 5 relics, with all the 5*s being dupes, and the 2 6*s being new stuff.  I am ok with this.

Free 33 Pull:
Setzer's SSB (dated SSB AWAY!!!  Whatever one is on Death Tarot)
CoD SSB (...what's with all the CoD relics lately gods damn it? And what's with all the +Darkness defensive gear too!?)
Balthier's Burst (DUPE!!!! *shakes fist*  I forget which one, but it's the Spica)
Edward's Ultra (...ok, I am not allowed to argue about this one)
Bartz's Ultra (and I've basically lost any right to complain or whine about this pull at all)

...this one feels like an apology for the parade.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 26, 2018, 03:03:32 AM
Realms on parade:

3 dupes: Shantotto burst, Cloud of Darkness burst 2, Edea ultra
2 new USBs: Hope, Rydia
3 new BSBs: Basch, Marcus, Edgar
3 new LMRs: Marach (first relic for him), Papalymo (got his burst), Rikku (BSB, Master Thief SSB)
4 new SSBs: Shelke, Lenna, Scott, Echo (her haste/shell/res buff)

Overall, not terrible but probably not worth the 75 mythril. Oh well.

Free 11-pull: Tifa USB. Okay, that works. Quality over quantity.

Free 33-pull: Edgar' Chainsaw SSB, Raijin BSB, Terra USB. DEFINITELY quality over quantity. God tier animation for Edgar, and my fire team is now even more stacked with that extra-long EX mode boosting her OSB to the stratosphere.

Fest banner 1: OK LMR, Marche BSB, Rosa USB. That'll work. OK keeps his spot as my premiere buffer even without an ultra, Marche can use that LMR I drew for him months ago, and Rosa has all my healing needs covered forever.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 27, 2018, 12:22:49 PM
Man, that was a lot of relics.

Realms on parade net me: Gafgarion LMR, Garlond BSB dupe, Serah BSB1, Vayne LMR, Ayame OSB, Auron BSB1 dupe, Kuja BSB dupe, Seifer SSB2, Ward SSB, Kefka OSB, Galuf USB, Kain LMR, CoD BSB2 dupe, Josef SSB2, Master SSB and Master BSB. Could've gone better, could've gone worse. Picking up Kefka's amazing +Dark bracer was a steal, though.

Free 11-pull: Ashe SSB dupe and Rydia BSB2! Yay, stat-complete Rydia.

Free 33-pull: Mog SSB dupe, two other dupes I can't even remember and Serah USB! Hell yeah.

Mythril 33-pull: Tyro OSB (...), Quistis OSB, Malak BSB, Elena SSB (+fire ranged weapon! Locke thanks ye), Cyan SSB1, Sephiroth BSB1 dupe, Zack SSB and Thancred BSB2. Welp.

Picked XIII's free relic set, now my Lightning has 349 base ATK and I can kill Kraken in 21 seconds (well, thanks to Sora, mostly, but she makes that USB and those two OSBs count!).
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on March 28, 2018, 04:52:27 AM
I just 100 Gem'd Lightning's Ultra.

THis is making me scared for my luck in the future.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 29, 2018, 04:57:06 PM
So, uh, mastered Boundless Ozma. For all that it was kind of a pain in the ass, it took me around three tries and, in the end, I can't help but feel it wasn't as hard as Nemesis back in the day - or heck, even Magicite Tiamat. That's the curse of the puzzle fight.

Apropos of nothing, I also have sub-30 runs against all 4* Magicite as of now. Midgarsormr took me the longest to figure out, but ESTINIEN of all people to the rescue. That USB's seriously legit.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 30, 2018, 04:07:18 PM
I 100 gemmed a disco ball!

It's the only OSB in the entire fest. Sad trombone.

I think the general assessment is that Boundless fights get easier every time, up to the new one in JP right now that can be soloed with Ashe BSB. Looking forward to that.

For my part, I've kinda hit a plateau. Despite picking up some (apparently) excellent fire, lightning and ice tech lately, not to mention Rosa's ultra, 4* magicites still seem more like a complicated practical joke than beatable fights. So I'm running through events on autopilot, grinding 3* magicites for the monthly mithril and some orbs, but making no headway on beating the fights currently out of my reach. Not thrilling!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on March 30, 2018, 08:23:23 PM
4* Magicite are just very execution-heavy even when you have the tech. Even Marilith, which I in theory just roflstomp with God Tidus and Bartz USB, took some fine-tuning to get the grind going, and they also ask for some priority reworking - in particular, it taught me just how valuable Entrusting your healer instead of your DPS is. There is a puzzle aspect to them in that they're rather scripted and some of their nastier minutiae require specific mindsets (Kraken's counters beg for more SB-centric action, Ixion's dispel and defensive gimmicks need you to focus on keeping your hastega up, Isgebind's flight gimmick needs you to be extra careful with your healing, Tiamat emphasizes speedrunning to an unhealthy degree. The most straightforward are Marilith and Midgar - Marilith just needs you to have a mitigating measure for her death counter and Midgar's status mostly gets mitigated by Astra and a Hastega at ready). All of them took me multiple resets to get into gear, but, like 3* Magicite, once you get the kinks sorted out, you can make more or less a science out of those clears.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on March 31, 2018, 04:34:45 AM
While getting execution down is absolutely part of it, even when I have properly timed healing and buffs and whatnot they're still just unbeatably durable. Fire is my strongest element and if Isegebind didn't attack at all I still couldn't kill him before running out of hones.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 01, 2018, 05:26:33 AM
Yeah, more hones and more copies of abilities are part of the equation too. 4* Magicite made me break my one-copy-per-ability rule very definitely. I honed an extra Chain Firaga to R2 and two Chain Blizzagas to R3, along with another R3 Thundering Twinstrike.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 03, 2018, 12:30:51 PM
Welp, done with fest now that I cleaned some clock on banner 5. Total tally from the fest banners: Kain BSB dupe, Zidane LMR (both from 100-gem pulls), Terra AOSB, Terra Glint, Terra LMR, Yuffie USB2, Yuffie LMR, Krile CSB, Tidus LMR dupe x2, Tidus BSB2 dupe x3 and Yuffie BSB2 dupe x2. Six 11-pulls total.

Now I can just unwind and wait till next fest, since the banners enter a veritable lull at this point. Not to mention I'll have roughly a full month of practically nothing to do now that I have replicable, consistent sub-30 runs for all 4* Magicite currently released.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 04, 2018, 05:34:00 PM
My final haul from the fest banners, from four 11-pulls and a bunch of Google Play credit for single draws:

Banner 1: OK LMR, Marche BSB, Rosa USB. Best healing USB for pure damage avoidance, super solid buffing LMR that also makes OK into an excellent entrust bot.
Banner 2: Crap on the 100-gem pull, not enough shinies for mythril.
Banner 3: Gladioulus OSB, Ingus chain. The OSB is a pure stat stick, although not a bad one since it comes with native fire boost and RS earth boost. Ingus' axe instantly supercharges my Bartz USB/BSB3 combo, although beyond that my earth options are limited. Tifa BSB1?????
Banner 4: 100 gemmed a dupe Zidane BSB2. Too many dupes to spend mythril.
Banner 5: Tidus LMR, Tidus BSB2, 2x Tidus chain, Terra LMR. I'm one step short of full-on God Tidus and I'm not even sad about it. Getting a double Double Edge was a disappointment after seeing two disco balls in my last pull, but it still jumps my water team to the point where I can maybe take a run at Marilith, so that's great. Also that LMR made diving Terra a no-brainer.

Overall: Nice haul but not a stellar one. Terra looks to be on par with Vivi as a fire god now. I'm still looking for a party-buff USB (maybe in that lucky draw that's coming up) and missed out on AOSBs.....although Sora's tri-element shenanigans mean I don't care that much on that score. Earth and water chains make Bartz's follow-ups more than a neat party trick, and might finally get me a 4* magicite win; I had Snow and WoL's already, but holy only matters after the Dark fight unlocks while it takes more than Squall BSB2 and the worst chain to beat Tiamat.

Currently running through old elite dungeons to get another 50 mythril for the 33-pull, since I put that off until after all the fest banners were done. Good thing, because I needed a second  pull on banner 5 to get that shiny shiny CSB.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Meeplelard on April 08, 2018, 01:31:42 AM
My Pulls:

Banner 1-4: I only 100 Gem'd, did get Luneth's LMR from one of them at least.
Banner 5: Threw 4 pulls at this.  Got Terra's AOSB (!!!!), her Glint (Yay!), Krile's CSB (My first 5*+ Whip!), Yuffie's LMR, Krile's LMR, Yuffie's AOSB, and a dupe Tidus CSB.  Wanted Terra's BSB2 just for completion purposes but...I can live without it, and pray they don't change the record dungeon select (it seems they've stopped that crap after the first Keeper Select stunt that pissed people off?)

33 Pull #2: Rinoa's BSB2 (-_-), Serah BSB, Curilla's SSB, some dupe I can't recall, Shantotto USB

Healer Lucky Draw: Dupe Sarah SSB, dupe Relm SSB (that is COMPLETELY obsolete so it's a Rosetta stone), and Rosa SSB (well, it's new)

Buff Lucky Draw: Curilla USB, Gogo-5 SSB, Matoya SSBx2


Picked up Ayame STuff from the 11 draw free thing, because I had a dupe of everything and FF11 was only an SSB, and I could use more Ice stuff so...yes, I just got 2 BSBs, but I don't have any physical Ice things and one of those is Rinoa BSB2 so quiet!
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 12, 2018, 05:00:33 PM
This maintenance was a doozy. Meia and FFD2 events translated! A second set of Renewal Dungeons! A new series of elemental pickup banners! Daily Missions, at last!

Love how the reddit's constant meltdown state for the last four months has been rendered entirely perfunctory in the span of four hours.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Shale on April 15, 2018, 07:56:35 PM
My shiny new toys enabled me to go from "4* magicites are bullshit" to "lol, sub-30 Marilith." Then I did a 100-gem pull on the FFX banner because Google gave me a bunch of credit, and got Tidus' AOSB. So my water team is set forever. I've also got a reliable Ixion clear, and have come damn close to finally beating Isegebind. Properly leveled 4* magicites should be able to put me over the top there.
Title: Re: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 16, 2018, 01:10:16 PM
Speaking of "4* Magicite are bullshit", what the fuck is wrong with Hades.