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RPG Debate => RPGDL Policy Discussion => Topic started by: Feldschlacht IV on August 20, 2008, 06:37:51 AM
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I understand there was talk of doing a Niu's Fact Center, documenting and compiling all of the information that Niu found over time from all of those Japanese guidebooks and such, especially the information from the old topic at the old forums.
Did anything come out of that?
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We did a few and have several in reserve, but I need to talk to the site admin about setting up an automated system for putting them on site.
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I would really like to see some of them, I was really looking forward to it.
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*Nods* I'll get working on it. I think the WA series is next? A few of them are up already (The Figaro/FF6 stuff).
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Where would I be able to find these?
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http://www.rpgdl.com/articles.php <-- these are the two ones I can find that are linked to directly. Super, are there others?
EDIT:
http://www.rpgdl.com/Articles/fc03.php <-- The third article, also about the FF6 world.
http://www.rpgdl.com/Articles/fc04.php <-- Fourth article, it's on the WA series.
The rest are currently waiting for posting, editing, or as of now are unwritten.
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woah woah woah...
Mathias?
Is all this canon? Why wasn't any of it in the damn game?
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First, you know who translated FF6.
Second, a lot of FF6's content didn't make it into the game, like tons of a lot other game does. Thi sis why game company publishes those other written materials.
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Thanks, guys. So will any other installment ever be put up?
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We're working on an automated system. Once that's up, I believe so, for as long as Niu has interest in doing this.
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2 years later...
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Yeah, no clue what's going on in this department currently. I'll look into it.
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I've asked Hal. I can't do anything beyond that.
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Come to think of it, we can always post it on the boards and link to it in the front page as a short term solution.
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That'd work. Poke me in chat which ones I should look at, then?
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Sure deal. Niu, can you get on IRC at 8pm EST tonight? I'll talk about it then for anyone else who's interested.
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IRC still refuse to work for me.
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Ahhh. Well okay. We can just start putting them up. Can you get a list of the ones you want to see put up and in what order?
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Put them in the number order already assigned.
But put Wave Science Lecture after the Fact Center.
The Wave Science Lecture also needs edit too.
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Right, I'll get to that over the course of this week and tell Super when I've done each one.
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Where can I find these as they go up?
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We'll probably put them up in the DL forum and put a direct link in the intro to them.
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Are the Niu's fact centers going to be the first content under the 'Fiction' heading on the DL mainsite?
-Djinn
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They were, but we're stalled re: putting them there since we can't easily upload mass content there. Thus the forum solution for now.
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What forum can they be found?
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None yet, they have to be edited first. English isn't Niu's first language(it's what, his third or something?) so we have to clean up some grammatical errors first and then make sure we didn't actually change the meaning of anything by mistake.
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I'm eagerly awaiting this!
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For reference, the next one is up, though it's under a different name for the time being. He's going over Ar Tonelico information in the Wave Science lectures, the first one is up: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=2270.0
The second lecture should be up shortly once I work out a few minor bugs with him.
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Awesome. I personally can't wait for the SaGa Frontier one.
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Awesome. I personally can't wait for the SaGa Frontier one.
Seconding this.
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Is there any way I can help with this? Like I said, personally I'd like to see the Saga Frontier stuff first and foremost.
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Well, it's up to Niu which ones he wants to write up, and then one of us(usually me, but sometimes other people) have to edit for clarity, which takes some time because we kinda have to guess what he means sometimes since we don't know the information until we read it either. I appreciate the offer, but there's not a whole lot to do, it's just a matter of needing to run through it a couple times to get everything right. There's not a whole lot of point in reading it if half of it is my unconfirmed guesswork, after all. (I'm exaggerating, but you get the point.)
Though if it makes you feel better, I should be able to move the second Wave Science lecture to the public boards later tonight.
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I would edit them more proactively except I tend to take a look at them and go "I have actively no clue what in the world he's talkin' about."
But yeah, it relies on both Niu and a editor (usually Yakumo) having the time to hash it out.
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Well, I'm very familiar with Saga Frontier, so I'll proofread though (and understand) if you guys want.
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It has to be written before editing can occur. Once it has, I imagine the response to that would be an overwhelming "Go for it".
@Yakumo: I like the style of writing your using Shurelia's 'rival' here. The conversational tone makes it a much more pleasing, though still technical-sounding lecture. I wasn't sure if we should be posting criticism in the Lecture topic itself, so I just decided to respond here.
-Djinn
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Well, most of the credit for that goes to Niu, I'm trying to keep this as close to the feel he had in the original writing as possible. Glad you're enjoying it, though.
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I'M STILL WAITIN'
DON'T THINK I FORGOT
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Haha, it's nice to see that Niu has such loyal fans...
I guess he ran out of nice ways to say 'Please don't forget about this, I'm really interested in it'.
-Djinn
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Well, right now I have one left to post but I'm waiting until I get an official answer on a name used in the topic. After that, Niu has to write more.
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Oh? So that is what have been delaying the stuff? I see, I'll come up with some other things while we wait for that then.
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How about some SaGa Frontier stuff?
plz?
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I think he actually just wrote some of that, but you'll have to wait until Thursday for me to get a chance to edit it. I'll try to have it up Thursday or Friday, depending on whether there's anything I need to clarify with him.
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I'M STILL WATCHIN'
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Due to recent regulations imposed by the administrators of these boards to combat those foul robotic minions of evil, I am required to speak elsewhere before I can begin a tale of my own. Rest assured, however, that my story shall be available for your perusal in a matter of moments.
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Anything else?
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A wave science lecture is pending to be edited.
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WELL HURRY UP
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WELL HURRY UP
There's a difference between being eager and being a dick. :)
Take care in the way you present yourself.
-Djinn
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I am obviously kidding. However in all honesty, I will say that the presentation isn't being handled too well, I can never find the writeups, and I would think they would be put on the main site or something like the old ones.
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The coding for the main site is still not done yet. And only Hal knows what goes with that.
But with the editor attending a funeral for the moment, you have to wait a little.
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That's cool. I'm willing to wait for progress.
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I can't wait for another Fact Center writeup! I'm excited.
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Hmm. He hasn't written another yet, but I could at least pull the early ones out of the staff boards since I don't think they're archived on site yet? At least not all of them. I'll check, and if I'm right I'll pull them out.
EDIT: Yeah, only the first two are up there. I think they're already edited so this shouldn't take too long.
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Due to recent regulations imposed by the administrators of these boards to combat those foul robotic minions of evil, I am required to speak elsewhere before I can begin a tale of my own. Rest assured, however, that my story shall be available for your perusal in a matter of moments. Again, since apparently records of my personage were destroyed in the cleansing fire that removed those heinous "bots".
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Oh, and as for why there is no new volumes.
Niu is plotting on getting the kill I.Queen in 5 minutes thing on Chaos Mode. This is should explain my inactivity on the board in general. (meaning, I have to play 3 cycles of SO4 and spend hours to tweak into extreme. And WD takes about 5 hours just to get to the 20th floor, and if I dies, I have to start from the floor1 again)
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Please let me know when there are more to read!
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I think he's still busy with SO4, sadly, as there hasn't been any new ones written yet.
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Maybe he could turn his post about Nippon-Ichi into a fact center? That stuff about Regulators and Mediators were things I hadn't heard before on any of the N1 sites I'd been to.
-Djinn
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Hello readers, the Fact Center that you are waiting for shall get updated shortly, with me as the host for the time being in the place of the Minstrel.
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Japanese speakers on the forum, who is willing to help please raise your hand.
I have listened to Super's evil whisper and decided to do Ogre series for fact center.... however, the information is HUGE.
The unpublished material and all the background settings adds up to walls and walls of text... unorganized. As in, they are never properly documented but put together from information here and there.
So, if there is anyoen who is willing tos pend time and help me plan the thing out, come over and help me.
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Is this dead?
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Most certainly not.....
Just say that I now fully understand why no sponsor would let Matsuno do what he wants.
Sorting out stuff from Ogre series is a brain melting ordeal......
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Can't wait for the next installment.
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It's waiting on me to edit it, which will likely start tonight.
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Prepared by Niu, edited by Djinn and Taishyr:
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It has been a while, readers. First, my apology to those who have been distressed by my long hiatus, but such anguish will not last, as you are going to find the wait to be vastly worthwhile. I have spent my time gathering myths and legends of a world that has much remained unexplored, and the many seekers for the truth of that world will be most thrilled by my discovery. I shall present you with the Ogre Battle Saga, the story that was left untold ever since the disappearance of its most fervent raconteur: Yoshihiko Takei. And, as the introduction to the saga, allow me to cite from his legacy;
"In the beginning, there is no division between the heaven and earth; existing only in a soup-like state, filled only by the void... A ray of light was then born from that world, the light that then gave birth to the darkness. Two giants were born; Galinga was born from the light and Vendiga was born from the darkness, and thus begun their never ending battle."
With those words, the Zeteginea faith was spread in the area surrounded by the Eastern Balkan Peninsula, Aegean Sea, Black Sea, and the Caspian Sea between 4000 and 3000 BC. Until the Hitties unified the territories centering around the Asia Minor in 3000 B.C., the Zeteginea mythical gods were the focal point of worship. These facts were revealed by the detailed information inscribed on the clay tablets discovered in an excavation that was conducted in the late 19th centuries. The tablets were dated to be from the Ancient Babylonian era (1900~1700 B.C.), with Sumerian cuneiform inscribed on them. The unidentified author is presumed to have been a historian of Sumeria, based on his own words. Those tablets, recording the myth of creation, the birth of humanity, wars involving the gods, and the history of Zeteginea, have been widely known as the Ancient Zandan tablets, bearing the name of the Zandan Ruins that it was discovered from. The Ancient Zandan tablets not only recorded heroic legends, it also presented us many historical facts on the life of the people of the past.
After the discovery of the Ancient Zandan tablets, a French excavation team discovered a large amount of clay tablets inscribed with cuneiform in the Ruin of Doura (the ruins by the shore of the Black Sea). It was interpreted to be a legacy from the Ancient Babylonian era just like the Ancient Zandan tablets, and like the Ancient Zandan tablets, it was written in the same Sumerian cuneiform. The content is an epic poetic tale based on the myths and heroic legends of the time. The discovery astonished the world as much as the discoveries of the Greek Tales such as Homeros's Odysseia and Ilias. This poetic tale is the very Ogre Battle Saga that we are all familiar with. It is a war, begun back in the time when the gods first created the humans, and the demons of the Netherworld created the ogres to be their servants. By the mischief of Demundza, who has ruled over both the Land of the Dead and the Netherworld, humans and ogres engaged in a battle over the sovereignty of the earth. The battle lasted thousands of years and eventually became a huge war that engulfed the gods of the heaven and the demons themselves in its violence. Based on the Ancient Zandan tablets which also recorded the Ogre Battle Saga, the tale lasts a total of 8 chapters, ending with the unification of the continent (around 3200 B.C.). With many of the heroes of the Zeteginea myth appearing in the content, the people related to the progressive change of the Zenobian Kingdom that eventually unified the continent are the primary center of attention. Within are many tragic tales, such as the tale between Princess Rapnica and Gran the Swordsman, which reveals to us the instantism and adrenaline-seeking nature of the people of the time.
"In the distant past, power meant everything; it is a time when the teachings of steel and the evil of the darkness dominated Zeteginea." Famous for that line, the Ogre Battle has become the subject of various operas and stage plays, and by the time of 20th century, productions by Hollywood and Broadway. For example, the seventh Chapter of the Ogre Battle Saga, portraying the struggle in the Valeria Islands, which float on the west of Oberro Sea, has been used recently. The anarchy of the Ocean Kingdom Valeria after the passing of its king, the segregation of its ethnicity, and the civil war that finally erupted, leading to the formation of Bacrum Valeria Country, Gargastan Kingdom, and the Walstanian people, who lost their home. The battle over the Valeria Islands presents itself as an outstanding heroic legend, and as exceptional among many of Ogre Battle Saga's own episodes. Even in the past, it has been a representative part of the saga that has been made into other excellent productions. Unfortunately, the saga wasn't as recognized in Japan, as the Greek or Norse myths were explored far more heavily, but the memory of Chapter Five of the Saga being ported into a Super Famicom game is still fresh in my mind. The saga will likely become more recognized in Japan in the future. As a researcher, I am certainly looking forward to it.
Excerpt from the "Research Introduction of the Ogre Battle Saga" by Yoshihiko Takei
First printed by the Research Institue of Ancient Land Journal in 1969
Excerpt from the 11th print, printed in 1993
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Necro-posting, the most vile of sins!
Also, Niu, do you have time to do any more of these?
I really enjoy reading them, but it's been forever since we've had a new Niu's Corner.
Do you have any games you'd be inspired to write a bit about?
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You probably missed all the really old ones too!
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My backlog is eating my time right now.
Though, the question lies in that I can't find interesting topics. I now regret using the interesting ones up too quickly. I now have problem to get myself motivated.
Unless you have some good suggestions?
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Personally kinda interested in a Fire Emblem or Phantasy Star stuff. Got anything on either of those series?
Also... Really old ones, Dhyer? Was there anything before the FF6 ones?
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The FF 6 ones posted on this forum? Because there were a lot on the old forums.
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http://www.rpgdl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Niu%27s_RPG_Corner
This doesn't have all of them?
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Not even remotely I believe.
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Just how many were there? :o
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I don't remember, but there was definitely a pretty solid chunk covering a wide pretty variety of games.
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I believe the first stuff we got was for FF4-6 in general, just the FF6 stuff stood out cause there was more info on it, and the whole in-depth Figaro related stuff that FF4/5 has nothing to parallel. But regardless, yeah, that group was the first ones we got.
I think WA related stuff was next, but don't quote me on that.
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WA related stuff definitely next, no question at all about it, this is 100% fact truth proven with science.
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While this is bumped, I will volunteer to translate some Niu-ese if Niu is willing to do a new Article!
Maybe a FF13 article, so we can figure out what went wrong there? >.>;;
Or if Niu is interested in something less fail, I'd like to see some Suiko or FE related stuff.
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Maybe a FF13 article, so we can figure out what went wrong there? >.>;;
This is actually a nice thought, after considering it.
But at the same time this run into the another problem I am facing. When writing on materials for more popular franchise, there are already many other groups doing the translational on various supplemental material.
I was be bale to pull things out of FF6 because it supplemental material is a minor release and people aren't as aware of those materials back then. But ever since Sqaure got its Ultimania going, translations groups become widely available now.
The subject I am focusing on are old games that actually have reasonable amount of supplemental materials to write about. That is why I actually decided to go with Super's suggestion on Ogre. It is a great idea I must say, just collecting info on it and verify the source is not that easy now as we all know the horror story that happened to the series. And with Matsuno rewriting the series now, it is even harder to tell what old info he kept or not.
Finally, I am looking up info to see if I can do something with Y's right now.
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In fairness, that extra information still isn't bandied about or that easy to find regardless!
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Well, I'm pretty sure that a complete translation of FF13's Ultimania isn't out yet. I think you're more than allowed to summarize the info on your own.
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Yeah, I just read the OB entry. That was a nice little article. Please throw out any more of the olds ones not in here if you have them available.