The RPG Duelling League
RPG Debate => Tournaments => Topic started by: Cmdr_King on May 29, 2014, 11:15:11 PM
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Be sure to check the Ranking List (http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,6015.0.html) to make sure what you're about to nom is still ranked. And also because we did rank like four games last time.
Lessee. This season, let's get 4-5 characters in each division (Godlike, Heavy, Middle, Light). Please try to keep your noms even.
Sinspawn Gui (Final Fantasy X), Tengaar (Suikoden Series) and Jet Enduro (Wild ARMs 3) have automatic bids and need not be nommed.
Last season's nom topic for people who lazy their way to victory: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,6451.0.html
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Last season's bracket for the prevention of Unlimited Ms. Lily Works
Godlike
Exdeath (Final Fantasy V) vs Tidus (Final Fantasy X)
Heat (Digital Devil Saga) vs Dheginsea (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI) vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)
Zog (Breath of Fire) vs Killer (Shadow Hearts: From the New World)
Malik Bendict (Wild ARMs 3) vs Liza (SaGa Frontier)
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs Claud C. Kenni (Star Ocean: The Second Story)
Weisheit (Wild ARMs XF) vs Isolde (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)
Zophar (Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete) vs Sephiran (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
Heavy
Sinspawn Gui (Final Fantasy X) vs Groudon (Pokémon)
Etward Dysler (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Mog (Final Fantasy VI)
Stefan (Fire Emblem Series) vs Angela (Seiken Densetsu 3)
Scias (Breath of Fire IV) vs Fujin (Final Fanasy VIII)
Takaya Sakaki (Persona 3) vs Rikku (Final Fantasy X)
Vayne Aurelius (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis) vs Chie Satonaka (Persona 4)
Kyra Tierney (Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millenium) vs Momo (Breath of Fire III)
Vulcanus (Disgaea: Hour of Darkness) vs Lucian (Valkyrie Profile)
Middle
Lexis (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals) vs Aht (Radiant Historia)
Karsh (Chrono Cross) vs Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lavandaler (Tales of the Abyss)
Stocke (Radiant Historia) vs Odie (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)
Regal Bryant (Tales of Symphonia) vs Mother (Wild ARMs)
Guy Cecil (Tales of the Abyss) vs Ayame (Suikoden III)
Lilianne Valendorf (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Shion Uzuki (Xenosaga Series)
Bartholomew Fatima (Xenogears) vs Elhaym Van Houton (Xenogears)
Ronnie Bell (Suikoden) vs Tengaar (Suikoden Series)
Light
Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3) vs Luke fon Fabre (Tales of the Abyss)
Magikarp (Pokémon) vs Jelanda (Valkyrie Profile)
Nina (Suikoden II) vs Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF)
Tony (Wild ARMs XF) vs Piccolo (Suikoden III)
Cotton (SaGa Frontier) vs Dancer (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Jet Enduro (Wild ARMs 3) vs Peppor (Chrono Cross)
Raja (Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millenium) vs Cinnamon (Mega Man X: Command Mission)
Paula (Earthbound) vs Aguro (Lufia and the Fortress of Doom)
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Godlike: Reicher (MK2), Elc (AtL2), Luca Blight (S2), Melfice (G2), Bat (DDS)
Heavy: Fogel (OB), Red (SaGa), Aldelbert Steiner (FF9), Tohru Adachi (Pers4), Cristo (DQ4)
Middle: Seifer Almasy (FF8), Nergal (FE7), Dekar (Lufia 2), Cid Highwind (FF7), Gaf Gafgarion (FFT)
Light: Tricia (SN), Kain Highwind (FF4), Ilyana (FE9), Melville (S3), Racially Insensitive Wizard (FF1)
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Godlike: Mewtwo (PKMN), Yuna (FF10), Tir McDohl (S1), Rika (PSIV), Luis Virgil (XSs)
Heavy: Stumbles Sumia (FE:A), Nina Wyndia (BoF4), Kika (S4), Queen Phyress (VP2), Billy Lee Black (XG)
Middle: Juno (SN), MOMO Mizrahi (XSs), ^_^ Henry (FE:A), Bronzong (PKMN), Lilly Pendragon (S3)
Light: Yakra (CT), Mike Myers Excellus (FE:A), Emma Hetfield (WA:ACF), Agrippa (SN), Meg (Suikos)
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Godlike: Yuri (SH), Fou-lu (BoF4), Reclaimer Dragon (WA4), Sanctuary Keeper (FFX), Tir (S1)
1. Why not.
2. Repeat nom.
3. Tide fanservice, also WA4 randobosses totally cooler than those Brionac scrubs
4. FFX randoboss
5. Gate suggestion
Heavy: Hugo (S3), Cthulhu (CSTW), Ershin (BoF4), Clarissa (WAXF), Raquel (WA4)
1. Fire! Except probably not.
2. Because it's freaking Cthulhu.
3. Because Ershin will assist!
4. Blaze that new trail.
5. CK fanservice.
Middle: Flay (MK1), Lilly (S3), Henry (FE13), Lute (SaGa), Anastasia (SH2)
1. Because it's fun being the Flayvor of Evil.
2. Because OUR SABRES RATTLE ONCE AGAIN
3. ^_^
4. I don't know okay
5. Because princess.
Light: Anna (FE13), Mukumuku (S2), Garcia (FE8), Sneff (CC), Krin (Suiko1)
1. Violence is on sale today!
2. Because SQUIRREL
3. Because :garcia:
4. Because gotta have bad CC
5. Because hurr hurr here is rope.
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Godlike: Tir McDohl (S1), Rika (PS4), Charlton (WA:XF), Jessica Albert (DQ8), Tibarn (FE9/10)
Heavy: Fenril (OB), Ephraim (FE8), Rose (LoD), Delita Hyral (FFT), Clarissa Arwin (WA:XF)
Middle: Miriel (FE13), Gafgarion (FFT), Tifa Lockheart (FF7), Yulie Ahtreide (WA4), Meganium (PKMN)
Light: Tricia (SN), Innes (FE8), Anna (FE13), Zozma (SaGa), Quistis Trepe (FF8)
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EDIT:
So even though we voted democratically to rank a game, one person can still overrule that decision by arbitrarily deciding that it doesn't have enough players? Yeah, fuck that. I'm withdrawing my nominations. I want no part of this.
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Gen 5 actually isn't ranked at this time. Sorry!
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Godlike
Tidus - ffx hd hype?
Jenna - because I remembered DDS exists
Rika - PC godlikes are fun
Tir - ditto
Arceus - are there any other pokemon godlikes? I forget
Heavy
Grunzford - Soul Nomad hype
Millennia - I forget where she's ranked
Serge - I think he's a heavy?
Mesarthim - mermaids are cool
Shadow - ff6 hype because djinn
Middle
Juno - soul nomad hype AND mermaid hype, sure (I dunno why but I find battle mermaids hilarious)
Etna - disgaea hype cause djinn
Laharl - and one more!
Guy Cecil - tales hype cause djinn
Elly - XG hype cause NEB?
Light
Irenes - mermaid hype!
Yumei - mermaid hype!
Flail (S5 dragon horse) - sort of like a mermaid hype!
Gobi - merman hype!?
Chuchu - for all I know, she could be a mermaid too
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Gen 5 actually isn't ranked at this time. Sorry!
Yes it is. (http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,6362.msg158975.html#msg158975)
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It was removed from rankings due to losing a couple players when I trimmed the data to its current state. It does not currently have enough players to qualify for ranking.
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Godlike
Tir McDolh(S1)
Ryu the Third(BoF3)
Kyogre(PKMN Gen3)
Jenna Angel(DDS1)
Luca Blight(S2)
Heavy
Kika(S4)
Emelia(SaGa Frontier)
Cliff(SO3)
Cristo(DQ4)
Belcoot(S5)
Middle
Barret(FF7)
Torterra(PKMN Gen4)
Destin(OB)
Lilly Prendragon(S3)
The King of Awesome(SMRPG)
Light
Draggy(CC)
Kongol(LoD)
Jun(VP1)
Maria(XG)
Relm(FF6)
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Heavy is a complete retread of last time, oh well.
Godlike: Rika (PS4), Luca (S2), Belial (WA4), Katrina (XF), Citan (XG)
Heavy: Kary (FF1), Fang (FF13), Hugo (S3), Lawfer (VP1), Phyress (VP2)
Middle: Lucca (CT), Mystic Knight (FF5), Tifa (FF7), Hippopressor (MMXCM), Lilly (S3)
Light: Innes (FE8), Anna (FE13), Andre (SH2), Tricia (SN), Krin (S1)
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Ayame was in last season, NEB. So was Shady Thousand.
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Really? Awesome.
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Godlike
Luther (14-2), Violetta, Cort (14-1), Ghaleon (14-2), Belial (14-2)
1. Force me to get Luther notes when I finish the SO 3 topic!
2. Replace Emelious, Lots of Fun!
3. Has boss notes, some neat if limited spoiling (Wants more HP to make it work, but still)
4. My favorite type of High Godlike: One with a nice exploitable flaw
5. Because she is like Ghaleon's polar opposite of speed and durability, but works a similar defensive trick!
Heavy
Levin (60), Hugo (14-2), Wugui (13-3), Velna (14-2), Alfina (14-2)
1. Poor bastard has been on my nom list forever
2. Last season Momo was the "can do everything, but nothing very well." Hugo is that, but generally better (certainly can do speed/evasion well!)
3. I really wanted Velna though...oh wait I can nom her too!
4. Yay! (Uh...let me know if people think she should go in Godlike)
5. Okay, technically a Middle to me, but needs to get in again so I can throw the G3 topic around more! And I ranked her 3.65, so it's not a stretch (and some people still allow full SP I think, which certainly helps)
Middle
Kanji (14-2), Warlock (59), Flay, Tio, Maya (LoL 2) (14-2)
1. Replacing Odie's lightning nom with a new one...kind of.
2. Wind stormed Middle! Now Earth
3. Never needs a reason
4. I finally did the G2 topic redo. Now that I've had that as her message forever, she needs to get it.
5. Yay again for ability to nom her.
Light
Piccolo, Tricia (14-2), Sazh (14-1), Spar (14-1), Melody (13-3)
1. Smash
2. Fun and Quirky. Generally like having at least 1 SN nom, and since she's getting a bunch this season, might at least add another chance.
3. Let's see how he functions here
4. Make me finish BoF 2 redo
5. Adding her back, too lazy to look up new ones
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Godlike
Spectral Keeper (FFX)
Prototype Gear (WA4)
Nizbel (CT)
Spriggan (SaGa)
Heavy
Zero (Mega Man X: Command Mission)
Millenia (Grandia II)
Cthulhu (CStW)
Mario (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
Middle
Sharon (SuikoIII)
Tharja (Fire Emblem: Awakening)
Felius Arwin (Wild ARMs XF)
Maya (Legaia 2: Duel Saga)
Light
Lucia (SH2)
Mediator (FFT)
Vitali (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)
Swellow (Pokémon)
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Godlike
Lucina (FEA), Rhapthorne (DQ8), Terra (FF6), Lulu (FFX), Ultimecia (FF8)
Heavy
Nash (S3), Levin (WAXF), Kary (FF1), Mithos (ToS), Alex (Lunar)
Middle
Astrid (FEs), Red XIII (FF7), Felius (WAXF), Brad (WA2), Margarete (SH)
Light
Mist (FEs), Noel (SO2), Sazh (FF13), Selphie (FF8), Leonardo (FERD)
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CK: is Nizbel really a Godlike? It's egregiously undamaging (i.e. healers take forever to beat him, but they can do it with enough resource depth), outside the lightning discharge it doesn't even have when not being spoiled by thunder it 6HKOs with physicals on a good day. Being spoilable by Lightning (one of the most common elements) and ITD damage isn't all that great either. Heavy, I totally can see, but Godlike...
(I mean, he's pretty much an easier to interpret Retinite with a lot more HP but far worse damage and spoiled by a more common element)
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ITD and lightning are both relatively rare, and he has 40PCHP if you lack both. That's pretty much auto-Godlike even with 5-6HKO damage. He can also definitely beat Heavies with lightning (unless they also resist lightning themselves) since attack x2 + Discharge is a KO to average and you only get two turns of "real" damage before he gets that off.
EDIT: Retinite is weak to non-elemental magic, while I don't believe Nizbel is. Would need to doublecheck that though...
EDIT: Confirmed. Retinite's defence against magic comes from elemental defences, hence Tail Spin working on him. Nizbel's protection from magic comes from his MDef stat of 100 (1 higher than the normal cap and reduces magic damage by ~95% compared to average enemies).
Anyway the point is that Nizbel is actually protected against non-elemental magic unlike Retinite, which easily makes up for the difference between ice and lightning in frequency, and makes him at least as good as Retinite even if you think the latter's better offence/worse HP is a winning trade, and the latter is Godlike already.
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This is kinda nitpicking, but he needs a third attack to land a KO, average HP is 320 there (Discharge is 175, his best damage other than that is 50 tops). This is more convincing me that Retinite -shouldn't- be Godlike than that Nizbel should, though, for all that his durability coming from defenses DOES help his case immensely, since he's harder to spoil without elements (and even to me, he's like 32x PC HP after defenses). The odd case of dueller who beats Chelle yet eats it to Vivi.
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Well Vivi has literally everything which spoils Nizbel (healing, lightning damage, AND lightning resistance). Citan also loses to Kimahri, Miguel loses to Malak, etc.
Oops, I mixed up the damage and HP figures for Nizbel. Still, against a pure average opponent with lightning, it is worth noting that Nizbel does in fact get that third non-Discharge attack in before their third hit of real damage.
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Godlike
Leonard (SaGa), Time Mage (FFV), Ted (Suikos), Rika (PS4), Yunalesca (FFX)
Heavy
Zed (WAs), Jeff (EB) Freya (FF9), Strago (FF6), Hector (FE7), Gilgamesh (FFV)
Middle
Tony (WA4), FuSoYa (FF4), Paws (CSTW), Boyd (FEs), Bowser (SMRPG)
Light
Liz (WA2), Leon (SO2), Black Wizard (FF1), Dunsparce (PKMN), Archer (FFT)
Edit: Replaced Jeff with Freya.
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Jeff may have been ranked in Heavy, but he's actually closer to Light than Heavy, Malcolm. May swing Middle (the damage is mean against Light of the frail and slow people), but utterly over his head in Heavy.
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Godlike: Jenna Angel(DDS), Elyon(BoF5), Reclaimer Dragon(WA4), Magus (CT), Zio (PS4)
Heavy: Rufus(VP2), Rofel(FFT), Demi(PS4), Kornell (G3), G-Elements (XG)
Middle: Yosuke(P4), Danette(SN), Albel(SO3), Yulie(WA4), Silmeria (VP2)
Light: Jogurt(ShF), Rufus(FF7), BIG JOE(XG), Solt (CC), Serra (FE7)