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Title: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on January 11, 2013, 01:43:36 AM
http://victoriajacksonshow.com/6416/satanic-influence-in-current-events

Victoria Jackson is a comedian who was on SNL in the 80's and 90's. I had completely forgotten about her until I stumbled across her webpage via FB link and... it's something special. The title of the link really explains it all.  She has rather strong opinions on religion, american values, and international politics.

Other amazing articles on her webpage:

Islam is the Root of Terrorism
“Planned Parenthood” Protects Rapists
Government-controlled Weather?

There is also her entire bit about the the UN, which you have to read yourself to appreciate.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Pyro on January 11, 2013, 02:16:33 AM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/15052/large/fiatstupid.jpg?1357854173

How... could a major news network...

Fuck it. I give up. FOX NEWS, GENTLEMEN.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Sierra on January 11, 2013, 02:21:01 AM
Pft, we all know that's in Mr. Burns' vault.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on January 11, 2013, 02:27:56 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/donald-trump-might-sue-bill-maher_n_2449580.html  Presented without comment, but with a rooting interest in a meteor hitting both parties involved.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on January 11, 2013, 05:55:59 AM
I hate that I am unequivocally supportive of the estimable Mr. Maher in this matter.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cotigo on January 11, 2013, 06:48:48 AM
The obvious course of action is to demand proof that Fred Trump was in fact not an orangutan.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on January 11, 2013, 08:16:19 AM
http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/11/may-plaintiff-cut-off-a-poor-defendants-appeal-by-having-the-sheriff-sell-off-defendants-right-to-appeal/

wut
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on January 11, 2013, 01:38:21 PM
It takes work for Crystal Cox not to be the most reprehensible person in a news story, too. I feel like I should be applauding, and also setting somebody on fire.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: PlasmaKappa on January 11, 2013, 10:56:03 PM
"I believe that Gun Appreciation Day honors the legacy of Dr. King," he told CNN's Carol Costello. "I think Martin Luther King would agree with me, if he were alive today, that if African-Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from Day One of the country's founding, perhaps slavery would not have been a chapter in our history."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/11/politics/gun-control-battle/index.html
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Captain K. on January 15, 2013, 09:41:33 PM
http://dailyfailcenter.com/sites/default/files/fail/618121c39971.jpg
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on January 16, 2013, 02:03:41 AM
http://dailyfailcenter.com/sites/default/files/fail/618121c39971.jpg

:)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on January 16, 2013, 07:56:16 PM
http://dailyfailcenter.com/sites/default/files/fail/618121c39971.jpg

That's amazing.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on January 17, 2013, 06:02:38 PM
http://themainlander.com/2013/01/15/vancouvers-poor-laws-city-council-to-approve-10000-fine-for-homelessness/

Fining poor people for being too poor, aw yeah.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on January 17, 2013, 06:25:47 PM
I was going to say that the fines were more typical heartlessness than idiocy, but that type of law is going to generate a lot of outrage. So yeah, morons.

Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on January 17, 2013, 06:27:02 PM
Well, if they weren't so busy being poor, they'd be able to afford the fine, now wouldn't they? They should prioritize better.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cotigo on January 17, 2013, 11:49:49 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/17/notre_dames_double_standard/

Things you probably heard in the news (fuck, if it got over here to me, I'd say you probably did): Te'o fake grrlfrend drama nonsense.
Things you probably didn't hear in the news: Notre Dame student killed herself after being raped by a member of the football team and then receiving a number of threatening texts warning her to not report the assault.

Football is still a blight on our society~
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on January 18, 2013, 09:10:06 PM
More that abuse of power exists. Football is just the medium it is being expressed in this putrid case.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on January 19, 2013, 12:11:14 AM
College football is exceptionally crooked, though.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Scar on January 19, 2013, 04:10:14 PM
The Miami Hurricanes beg to differ!
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on January 20, 2013, 02:46:27 AM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/five-accidental-shootings-at-gun-shows-mark-gun?ref=fpa

<_<
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on January 21, 2013, 12:51:36 AM
http://www.esquire.com/features/megan-fox-photos-interview-0213-5

An article which seems to want us to feel sorry for Megan Fox for being hot and lamenting that 'plain' women can now express their talent? I'm not actually sure what the article is even about otherwise, random excerpts of Megan Fox saying not very interesting things?

Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on January 23, 2013, 03:43:52 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/48417/cowboys-nt-ratliff-charged-with-dwi

This is after Josh Brent (Ratliff's backup) was charged with manslaughter after he drove drunk and killed a teammate of his in a car accident.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Captain K. on January 23, 2013, 05:01:42 AM
But they had a bad season!  Totally an excuse to drink.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cotigo on January 25, 2013, 01:31:24 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/new-mexico-abortion-bill_n_2541894.html

Quote
UPDATE: 12:25 p.m. -- Brown said in a statement Thursday that she introduced the bill with the goal of punishing the person who commits incest or rape and then procures or facilitates an abortion to destroy the evidence of the crime.

“New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter sex offenders,” said Brown. “By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state.”

yeah
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on January 25, 2013, 03:11:17 PM
Makes sense.

I assume New Mexico is also working on laws that require you leave bullets, knives, etc lodged wherever they end too, right?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on January 27, 2013, 09:25:25 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/27/berlusconi-except-for-anti-jewish-laws-mussolini-did-much-good-defends-support/

Berlusconi is certainly entertaining in his attempts to be as morally repulsive and scummy as possible.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on February 03, 2013, 04:06:56 PM
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/health/they-are-coming-your-birth-control-radio-host-claims-your-womb-full-tiny-dead-baby-corpses

What. Just what.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on February 05, 2013, 10:54:05 PM
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/02/michigan-tea-partier-charter-schools-ethnically-challenged-families

ladies and gentlemen, I present to you "ethnically challenged."  The perfect storm of decades of faux political correctness, real racism, and sheer stupidity.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on February 09, 2013, 05:11:46 PM
http://kotaku.com/5981327/hundreds-of-confused-anti+gun-people-think-im-a-gun-nutand-that-this-is-my-gun?tag=halo
http://kotaku.com/5982984/anti+gun-people-who-cluelessly-mocked-me-still-live-in-fantasy-land-still-dont-know-how-to-apologize
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on February 09, 2013, 10:27:38 PM
I wonder what other site Kotaku stole those articles from?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: SnowFire on February 10, 2013, 05:05:31 AM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/sheriff-fires-gang-unit-clique.html

WTF?!  This sounds like a plot point in a bad movie.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on February 20, 2013, 12:48:40 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/joe-salazar-rape-guns-colorado.php

Idiotic comments about rape and the current en vogue social issue are a bipartisan issue.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on February 20, 2013, 04:47:02 PM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/joe-salazar-rape-guns-colorado.php

Idiotic comments about rape and the current en vogue social issue are a bipartisan issue.

I...honestly think the politician being criticized here has a valid point.


Times when walking outside after dark when I feel like "oh fuck, I'm female, and alone, and there's a man over there looking at me": approximately 50% of all times I've gone outside after dark.

Times I've actually ran into trouble in the past four years: maybe 5%.  None of which were rape, thank God, and only one of which involved actual grabbing rather than just verbal harassment from a drunk or whatever.

If someone gave me a gun with explicit instructions of "shoot anyone you feel threatened by" there would be a lot of dead bodies.  By contrast, instructions of "shoot only if you are being raped" is pretty useless; by the time I have that figured out, I'd probably be pinned down by someone much stronger than I am, unable to use a gun.  The one way in which I can see a gun being useful is as a threat; pulling it out and saying "back off or I'll shoot."  Which...actually seems somewhat useful.  Pepper Spray fills the same role though for "get out of my face you horny drunk", except that I feel like in the case of the gun half the people would assume it's an empty threat, whereas a girl pulling out pepper spray is almost never an empty threat.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on February 20, 2013, 05:44:55 PM
I definitely agree with mc on this one. The idiots are the ones blowing it out of proportion.

The comparisons to Akin are absurd. Akin used a false premise to try to push an agenda, this guy is basically saying "maybe we shouldn't just shoot every person we are scared of or think is suspicious." which seems to be a pretty damn reasonable premise to me.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on February 20, 2013, 09:06:06 PM
The comparison to Akin is unfair.  This guy is more in the category of Richard Mourdock, who expressed an opinion about rape that you may or may not agree with (fetuses that are the product of rape should be brought to term because all fetuses are God's sacred children) in an extremely inartful way.  It was unfair to Mourdock that he got lumped together with Akin, but Mourdock's big problem was that his statement shined a light on his support for a policy - forcing rape victims to bring babies to term - that is very unpopular.  And what this guy said isn't really as bad as what Mourdock said, either - first because it's not quite so offensively phrased (a low bar) and second because the policy he's advocating - limiting access to firearms on campuses - is not so far outside the mainstream.

Since it was inevitable, here: someone saying something we can all agree is prime IotD material in response to this situation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/20/bob-beckel-college-rape-guns_n_2726173.html
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 20, 2013, 09:19:40 PM
Apparently he has never been to a college campus - or to a public place.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on February 26, 2013, 07:09:55 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/26/ashley-judds-biggest-problem-her-history-of-bizarre-comments/

It is stunning, STUNNING, that a woman wouldn't want kids because there are a ridiculous amount of people in the world already. Lmao
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on February 26, 2013, 07:56:47 PM
Kentucky is almost Florida. It's kind of impressive that she thinks the place could still be saved, I guess.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on February 26, 2013, 08:41:57 PM
It is stunning, STUNNING, that a woman wouldn't want kids because there are a ridiculous amount of people in the world already. Lmao

i kno rite smh
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on February 27, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
Speaking of Kentucky:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/02/26/dem-super-pac-backs-off-tweet-on-mcconnells-wifes-race/

Ashley Judd's response, with more tact that the person deserved:

http://feministing.com/files/2013/02/Screen-Shot-2013-02-26-at-6.30.22-PM.png
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 27, 2013, 06:40:14 PM
The elegance in this whole debacle astounds me. Racism and gay-bashing gossip? Keep it classy, gents.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: SnowFire on March 03, 2013, 05:53:55 PM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bad-fresh-prince-rap-triggers-pa-lockdown

(Maybe not quite idiot, but this is silly enough it should go here.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Dark Holy Elf on March 03, 2013, 06:03:44 PM
Proof that knowledge of Fresh Prince literally helps one do their job better.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Captain K. on March 03, 2013, 06:55:56 PM
I was going to say who would have the Fresh Prince song as their answering message nowadays, but then I saw that he's 19 and still in high school...
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on March 04, 2013, 09:17:10 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/04/sanford_asked_wronged_ex_wife_to_run_his_campaign/
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on March 06, 2013, 01:27:24 PM
Seems logical.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: SnowFire on March 09, 2013, 05:28:22 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/magazine/the-professor-the-bikini-model-and-the-suitcase-full-of-trouble.html?pagewanted=all

A 63 year old divorced narcissist finds a literal East European supermodel over the Internet on a dating site, but she never calls directly.  For some strange reason, she wants to meet in Bolivia where she's totally, um, doing a photo shoot, and pick up an empty bag of sentimental value, and take it through airports with him.  It's obviously true love, let's get married.  It's not until a full *month* after he's arrested while passing through Argentina that his fellow prisoners- whom he thinks are all guilty scum, still, unlike innocent him - manage to convince him that he wasn't ACTUALLY talking to the supermodel who wanted him to be a drug mule to prove his love for her or something.

There's a lovesick New Zealander who fell for the same thing where meeting her British boyfriend inexplicably involved stopping in South America along the way to pick up stuff.  I wonder how common this is.  It certainly sounds like the drug smugglers screwed up in the first case - you want someone gullible, yes, but they had airline tickets that didn't work and delays and the like which caused him to eventually decide to fly back to North Carolina rather than Europe, which would mean he'd have run off with their drugs had this been successful.  Although I suppose he might well have handed them over to anyone who claimed to be a representative of the supermodel.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on March 17, 2013, 02:21:47 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/tea-party-event-on-racial-tolerance-turns-to-chaos-as-white-supremacists-arrive.php?ref=fpblg

CPAC.  There was a panel entitled "Trump The Race Card: Are You Sick And Tired Of Being Called A Racist When You Know You’re Not One?"  And it went even worse than you might imagine it would.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on March 17, 2013, 09:42:56 PM
http://editors.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/03/yesterday_a_cpac_breakout_session.php?ref=fpblg

I have nothing to add to this excellent analysis of the aforementioned panel.

Quote
In the physical world there are some chemical processes so inherently unstable that, absent great care and certainly with any other unstable compound added, you’re certain to have an explosion. Similarly, there are some political processes so inherently ridiculous that even the slightest trigger and things are sure to explode, which is clearly what happened here.

Think: The panel (“Trump The Race Card: Are You Sick And Tired Of Being Called A Racist When You Know You’re Not One?”) was run by an African-American man named K. Carl Smith (founder of something called “Frederick Douglass Republicans”) whose schtick is to rant against Democrats as the party of the Confederacy and the Ku Klux Klan.

“I don’t care how much the KKK improved,” he said defiantly at the event before things got out of hand. “I’m not going to join the KKK. The Democratic Party founded the KKK.”

In other words, you’re preaching/ranting to a crowd of Republicans (an almost entirely lilly white party) against the racism, softness on paramilitary violence and Confederacy-love of the Democratic party (roughly half of which is made up of non-whites). There’s just too much denial, bad faith and comedy there under high pressure for the center to hold. And you can’t tempt the gods of farce on such an epic scale and not have a blow up.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on March 17, 2013, 10:10:51 PM
Most Republicans I've talked to are really hung up on the fact that Dems used to be the pro-racism group before the massive demographic shift that the Republican Southern Strategy brought about.  I think that's a very good representation of them: they don't care or don't realize that the parties shifted polarities, they don't care that Conservatism didn't change, just the party that pandered to it, but they DO care about the labels that were in use a century ago.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on March 17, 2013, 11:01:26 PM
Which all makes the southern take on the Civil War extremely confusing.  So you're pro-Confederacy but anti-KKK, and the Confederacy was just trying to preserve a way of life or something but the KKK was engaged in the most heinous of racism?  Is this a secret plot to give liberals whiplash?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on March 18, 2013, 03:26:08 PM
This is absolutely nuts.  A 6.75% one-time tax on savings accounts with deposit insurance? The only sane conclusion is that the EU is run by people who actively want to undermine confidence in banks - all of them - and ruin the global economy.  What other possible explanation could there be?  Who in their right mind would put a cent in a Cyprus bank after this bailout?  In any bank in any European country with financial difficulties?  Hell, in any bank in Europe?

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/33fb34b4-8df8-11e2-9d6b-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2Nr8AIcai
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/03/question-day-cyprus-unique
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on March 20, 2013, 11:27:58 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/14/florida-man-drunk-dials-11-ends-up-in-jail/


And now, for a funny IotD.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on March 21, 2013, 02:26:55 AM
Florida Man is an endless wellspring of comedy.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on March 21, 2013, 02:30:08 PM
It is one of the best things on twitter.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: TranceHime on March 21, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
http://www.reynaelena.com/2013/03/20/edwin-olivarez-graduation-message-annihilated-the-english-language/

I'm not even sure what the message is even trying to say.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on March 28, 2013, 01:56:32 AM
http://truefinns.tumblr.com/

Courtesy of Tonfa. The True Finns are racist and generally insane enough to make David Duke blush.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Captain K. on March 28, 2013, 04:33:52 AM
Need to go read the Bible again.  I totally missed that part about the microchip implants.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Pyro on March 28, 2013, 12:30:44 PM
Conservatives in the US are like a gold mine for this kind of shit.

http://www.tennessean.com/viewart/20130325/NEWS02/303250057/TN-lawmakers-confuse-mop-sink-Muslim-foot-washing-sink
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on March 29, 2013, 01:15:56 AM
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/28/doj_cfaa_update/

We want to increase the sentencing on crimes that are already completely out of proportion with the impact of the crime.  Of course we don't mean to actually use them, it is just there to get confessions out from suspects under duress!
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on April 05, 2013, 11:47:14 PM
http://www.skepticnorth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/vaccine-epidemic-book-cover.jpg

I can't wait to buy my copy!
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on April 06, 2013, 12:36:41 AM
Let's go over that book cover!

Louise Habakus- No medical background that I can find, works in fiance. Mary Holland- A goddamn lawyer with no medical background.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on April 06, 2013, 07:47:17 AM
Five more years of vaccination rates dropping and we could see the return of things like measles and whooping cough among children. A pile of dead children will be their reward.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on April 14, 2013, 02:02:21 AM
http://requireshate.wordpress.com/ Stumbled across this when looking for Jim Butcher quotes. It's a blog written by what appears to be a parody of a hyper leftist S/F fan. Sadly, by all indications the author is serious. 
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on April 19, 2013, 06:41:04 PM
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/04/06/can-antivaccinationists-knock-it-off-with-the-autism-holocaust-analogies-already/

Respectful Insolence is something I've linked before. Hilarious cancer researcher/doctor who loves to tear apart anti-vax people. Anyway, he tears into people who compare vaccines to the Holocaust.

(If you can't tell, I've been reading a lot about anti-vax and other naturopath bullshit lately. :p)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on April 19, 2013, 09:16:35 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/18/jenny-mccarthy-the-ever-b_n_3103259.html Related. As always fuck Jenny McCarthy.  The HoPo piece gets it for this comment alone:

" and also stayed active at the helm of her controversial-to-some autism organization Generation Rescue."

FUCK OFF
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 19, 2013, 10:40:08 PM
"Controversial to some" is one of the slimiest expressions I've heard in the last few years. Not only it applies a for-all-purposes euphemism, it shifts the onus of doubt upon its detractors. Linguistic scumbaggery in the nude.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on April 20, 2013, 03:38:59 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/

This is incredibly dumb and offensive on about a dozen levels. Let's hit the highlights!

A: Hoping that bombers fit a particular ideological profile because of politics. This is pretty morally repulsive.
B: You know why right wing domestic terrorists get treated differently than muslim fundamentalist t terrorists? They function differently.  Home grown terrorists are almost always lone wolf types; we've seen evidence pointing otherwise. 
C: "By the way, you don’t have to be a person of color or a political liberal to hope the bomber ends up being a white American. You just have to be among the groups of Americans who don’t like stuff like preemptive wars, the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, the drone war, an unsustainable Pentagon budget and a broken immigration system. By their own rhetoric, some of those groups must include many self-described conservatives — after all, they purport to care about civil liberties and say they want to reduce government spending."

This fucking paragraph. Oh boy! "It isn't just minorities and people of my political group who should favor my incredibly offensive ideology, it is people from the opposite ideology who aren't evil."

Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Idun on April 20, 2013, 06:27:56 PM
He should have more eloquently stated it as hoping that the bombers are not "ethnic" and "Muslim," because those two categories alone place them into the conservative, flesh-eating and xenophobic charges of specifically Islamic terrorism. Sirota shamelessly chose a more charged (for hits!) way of saying this unfortunately. In any case, his sentiment was shared by many in Boston.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on April 20, 2013, 09:23:21 PM
The sentiment is incredibly fucked up and wrong. Saying you hope one group committed an act of terrorism because it better fits what you want to happen politically should not be acceptable.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Idun on April 20, 2013, 10:34:58 PM
The sentiment is incredibly fucked up and wrong. Saying you hope one group committed an act of terrorism because it better fits what you want to happen politically should not be acceptable.

It's an after-the-fact sentiment, not one that wishes x people committ a crime because of politics; my understanding is that, Sirota notwithstanding, the mentality is more: now that a terrorist attack occurred, let's hope it is not a "minority" (Boston sect). Whatever that means. And honestly? I can see where the split feeling comes from, considering the snap judgments assuming that every domestic robbery/rape/killing is by a black person. And I'm sure this doesn't need to be said, but I'm not condoning Sirota's use of language, blah blah. Sirota obv. carved out a dumb, sensationalist pt for a reason. The mentality that I'm less likely to spit flame towards (Boston one; quick digup on Boston Herald will let you see all the apprehension towards an 'ethnic person' being identified) is a bit more nuanced than "support discrimination towards whites!" etc.

Edit edit* Oh I wanted to link this. It will make you angrier. http://www.salon.com/2013/04/17/i_still_hope_the_bomber_is_a_white_american/
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Idun on April 23, 2013, 02:11:01 PM
I don't normally enjoy anything that comes out of Jezebel, but:

http://jezebel.com/oklahoma-republican-says-the-words-jew-me-down-on-the-477494313

Posted because Georgians often use that phrase.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on April 25, 2013, 07:14:19 PM
http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/03/23/land-mines-in-our-sexual-landscape/

Both the complete asshole who wrote this and whoever gave the okay to publish this tripe should be fired. She says our society is at fault for non-consensual sex because we allow consensual sex to whoever wants to have it? No, fuck yooooooooooooooooou. Bonus idiot points for defending child porn as totally cool as long as you do it in the privacy of your own home.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on April 25, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
No wait she's totally right.  I mean, India and Pakistan are very conservative about the circumstances under which consentual sex is allowed and they totally don't have a rape problem.

Regarding child porn, there's a great New York Times piece from a couple months back about how victims of child pornography are often profoundly injured by the thought that strangers are watching videos of them being raped.  I'll see if I can dig it up later, it does a great job of laying out the psychological and legal landscape regarding victims.

The writer doesn't seem to quite grasp it, but unwittingly demonstrates an important point about rape.  The harm of rape is entirely psychological, entirely bound up with the idea that sex is important - sacred, even.  The author places a very low psychological value on sex, which is why she doesn't get how something so abstract as the idea that there is private viewing of child porn could possibly injure the victim and subject of it.  To her it's no different than a youtube video of a guy involuntarily being hit in the face with a pie would be harmful. (the difference is in degree and not in kind, but it's a pretty fucking huge difference in degree.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on April 25, 2013, 09:48:32 PM
The slutshaming and lack of grasp on the fundamental concept of consent displayed by the article writer border on criminal.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Ryogo on April 26, 2013, 02:01:47 PM
http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/03/23/land-mines-in-our-sexual-landscape/

Both the complete asshole who wrote this and whoever gave the okay to publish this tripe should be fired. She says our society is at fault for non-consensual sex because we allow consensual sex to whoever wants to have it? No, fuck yooooooooooooooooou. Bonus idiot points for defending child porn as totally cool as long as you do it in the privacy of your own home.

There is a reason I use the Royal Canadian Air Farce's description of MacLean's all the time: "Canada's National Waste of Paper". The only reason I even read it right now is because my phone company is giving it to me for free. Most of what is in there is rubbish.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on April 30, 2013, 01:20:49 AM
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/29/republicans_national_science_foundation/

Quote
Smith, who you might remember from such failed legislation as SOPA, is touting the High Quality Research Act as a way to avoid unnecessary duplication in the field of science funding and as a way of allowing members of Congress to have an input into funding decisions.

Totes how research works.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on April 30, 2013, 04:51:04 AM
Actually a pretty catastrophic idea. Evolution and climate change research would be contested by fools who don't know anything about science. Fucking 'ell.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on April 30, 2013, 05:16:38 AM
If it helps the people mentioned behind it are not names that have been involved in super successful things of late.

Still that it is even up for discussion is pretty goddamned stupid.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on April 30, 2013, 05:33:29 AM
http://d1o2xrel38nv1n.cloudfront.net/files/2013/04/flowers.jpg

Watch out for those artificial reproductive technologies!
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on April 30, 2013, 05:35:07 AM
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111112549/2976133-3425904913-darks.jpg

SCIENCE!

Edit - Also Ciatos straight up need to get a chair like that.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on April 30, 2013, 02:09:37 PM
AOL Shuts Down ComicsAlliance Because They Are Jerkfaces (http://io9.com/aol-shuts-down-comics-alliance-because-they-are-jerkfac-484705594)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on May 02, 2013, 01:20:16 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/westboro-baptist-church-protest-two-playoff-games-because-161904717.html

I am half-convinced they are just a parody at this point.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on May 02, 2013, 11:16:58 PM
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/02/mccormick_jailed_decade_fake_bomb_detectors/

Look at this government intervening and preventing the invisible hand of the free market from deciding the value of products.

Edit - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/05/02/gartner_half_firms_demand_byod/

This is also dumb.  BYOD is Bring Your Own Device for reference.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Sierra on May 03, 2013, 02:51:28 AM
"He continues to protest his innocence and his defense council protested that 'any amount of protective devices at checkpoints in Baghdad couldn't protect the people of Iraq from those who conduct the insurgency there.'"

That is an amazing defense strategy, I must say.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on May 06, 2013, 03:27:36 PM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/05/18070226-mom-charged-with-leaving-4-kids-in-car-while-she-drank-in-bar?lite

A special kind of idiot, this one.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cotigo on May 07, 2013, 12:44:35 AM
She just has a very firm sense of personal responsibility.  She KNEW she would be drinking and driving, and surely she has heard of all the stories about drunk drivers going out and killing whole families in the resulting wreck, so she figured since she was taking the risk it should be her own family on the line.

It's just logic.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on May 07, 2013, 03:14:25 AM
I'm just saying that if what they say is true and buzzed driving really is drunk driving, might as well get really crunk.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cotigo on May 07, 2013, 03:25:38 AM
Go big or go home, right?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on May 17, 2013, 04:21:20 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/silvio-berlusconis-parties-featured-women-dressed-as-barack-obama.php?ref=fpblg

Seriously, Italy?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on May 21, 2013, 07:23:10 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-21/coburn-wants-home-state-tornado-aid-offset-in-budget.html

Hey, Coburn! While you being consistently an asshole shows that you are committed to your ideals, it doesn't change the fact that you are in fact an asshole.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on May 21, 2013, 07:27:56 PM
Consistently one of the bottom five senators in the senate! And probably not Oklahoma's worst senator, somehow, fuck.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on May 21, 2013, 07:31:36 PM
I am going to spend tomorrow afternoon in a room with Jim Inhofe. The bidding for a punch in the nose opens at $500 and bail.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on May 21, 2013, 10:17:48 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/21/oklahoma_senator_tornado_aid_totally_different_from_sandy_aid/

Inhofe needs to be slapped, and like 75% of the commenters in this thread need to be defenestrated. And Coburn... fuck! I can't wait to vote so I can futilely try to kick these asswipes out.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on May 22, 2013, 01:18:50 AM
I am going to spend tomorrow afternoon in a room with Jim Inhofe. The bidding for a punch in the nose opens at $500 and bail.

I'll pass the hat around.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on May 24, 2013, 07:29:42 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2013/05/23/ba5a1276-c310-11e2-914f-a7aba60512a7_story.html

speaking as a native of the eye of the Kennedy storm, land of the freebie and home of the gays...seriously, Virginia GOP?  Seriously?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Otter on May 27, 2013, 08:14:01 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/27/travel/china-egypt/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130527150224-egypt-temple-graffiti-story-top.png)

Chinese tourists.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on May 28, 2013, 02:30:00 AM
I'm sure he will be sent to a reeducation camp for making the Noble Chinese Race look bad, though.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on June 01, 2013, 02:32:01 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/31/us/ohio-graduation-scuffle/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Kinergarten kids graduating is surely the right time to get into a fist fight! Special IotD honors goes to everyone who managed to get arrested for freaking rioting at a celebration for 5 year olds.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on June 05, 2013, 12:41:22 AM
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2011/11/18/vaccinated_kids_more_diseases/

a person with a degree in putting water in a bottle and calling it a cure tells me vaccinated kids are diseased

i should totally believe them right

other citations include a quack doctor who trolls the internet, the age of autism, which is a delightful cocktail of the craziest anti-vax people, none of them which know a whit about science, and the study was done via an internet survey

also a very poor understanding of how vaccines work. they boost the immune system, not destroy it. oh, and vaccines also wipe kids' minds of individuality.

my brain is melting
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 05, 2013, 12:52:01 AM
Because vaccines exist, people who oppose them exist.
Because people who oppose vaccines exist, people who spout crazy to support this belief exist.
Because of spouted crazy, Ciato's brain is melting.
A brain melting wipes the personality of a person.
Ergo, vaccines cause people to lose their personalities.  QED.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Hunter Sopko on June 05, 2013, 01:08:41 AM
Quote
This study is an independent study that was self funded so no hidden agendas, bias or financial gains are at hand.

An independant study I self-funded discovered that having sex with me cures cancer. Not one single hidden agenda, bias or financial gain there. I'm just trying to help people
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on June 05, 2013, 04:04:36 AM
u deserve a novell piece prize.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on June 05, 2013, 08:49:11 AM
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2011/11/18/vaccinated_kids_more_diseases/

a person with a degree in putting water in a bottle and calling it a cure tells me vaccinated kids are diseased

i should totally believe them right

other citations include a quack doctor who trolls the internet, the age of autism, which is a delightful cocktail of the craziest anti-vax people, none of them which know a whit about science, and the study was done via an internet survey

also a very poor understanding of how vaccines work. they boost the immune system, not destroy it. oh, and vaccines also wipe kids' minds of individuality.

my brain is melting

Also from the same website:

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/06/03/former-senator-presidential-candidate-an-extraterrestrial-influence-is-investigating-our-planet/

Quote
It’s June 2013, and the UFO topic seems to increase in intensity year after year.

What?

Like...UFOs seem totally out-of-style even as a conspiracy theory.  They seemed to be a big deal in the 90s, where there were some crazy number of television shows dedicated to UFO hunting.  But like...now anyone with a computer has access to google satellite pictures.  I haven't heard UFOs mentioned in years, not even in the context of "man those UFO-people are crazy."

If this website wants conspiracy theories that still get some traction today, it should try ghosts (which conveniently are not captured by satellite) or young earth creationism (which conveniently avoids satellites because they didn't exist 6000 years ago).
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cmdr_King on June 05, 2013, 08:58:45 AM
Quote
or young earth creationism (which conveniently avoids satellites because they didn't exist 6000 years ago).

OR DID THEY?!!?  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG9_qnPZDvo)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on June 05, 2013, 05:57:21 PM
There's also global warming denial derived from picking a data point from a strong El Nino in the late 90's and comparing it to a La Nina in 2008! Bravo for misunderstanding decadal vs. long term trends.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Pyro on June 06, 2013, 10:50:27 PM
Man shoots defenseless prostitute and murders her because she would not blow him.

is AQUITTED under Texas law allowing you to shoot fleeing people who steal from you (I guess they thought she stole his illegally bought sex?)



Can we kick Texas out of the US yet?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/06/mind_boggling_and_horrible.php?m=1
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Captain K. on June 06, 2013, 11:48:39 PM
It's a fair law, if he had fled after getting blown without paying, she could have shot him also.  See also Idiocracy.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cotigo on June 11, 2013, 12:42:04 AM
http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-s-killer-instinct-rape-joke-causes-trouble-255880.phtml

#StateOfTheIndustry
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on June 11, 2013, 12:57:41 AM
http://www.destructoid.com/xbox-one-s-killer-instinct-rape-joke-causes-trouble-255880.phtml

#StateOfTheIndustry

Less horrible but still #StateOfTheIndustry:
http://www.dewanddoritos.com/
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Captain K. on June 12, 2013, 05:43:52 AM
Hey don't knock it Doritos Crash Course is still the best free fun to be had on Xbox.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on June 12, 2013, 06:01:57 AM
Hey don't knock it Doritos Crash Course is still the best free fun to be had on Xbox.

Funny thing you should mention that, the makers of that game just secured the license to make a WH40K MMO now that THQ is gone and thus, can't make Dark Millennium.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on June 14, 2013, 09:59:45 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pentagon-top-west-point-oficial-misused-his-position-to-obtain-cat-care.php The dumb here is overpowering.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on June 18, 2013, 11:56:55 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/rep-burgess-abortions-should-be-banned-because-male?ref=fpb

Cancel the Dumb Things Republicans Say About Rape Abortion competition.  We have a winner.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on June 20, 2013, 08:19:15 PM
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/rep-burgess-abortions-should-be-banned-because-male?ref=fpb

Cancel the Dumb Things Republicans Say About Rape Abortion competition.  We have a winner.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/20/the_science_of_masturbating_fetuses/

file under 'you learn something new every day.'
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on June 28, 2013, 08:47:35 PM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/texas-teen-jailed-after-league-of-legends-argument-6410871 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/texas-teen-jailed-after-league-of-legends-argument-6410871)

Mmmm. While there are certainly arguments for this been an example of poor discretion given its timing around Sandy Hook, the fact that the kid has been imprisoned for several months at this point is kinda beyond ludicrous, especially given the clearly farcicle nature of the statement.

While people do need to be aware that social media does relate back to them personally, this is kinda really fucking stupid and is in that category of doing WAY more harm than good. Like, seriously.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on July 02, 2013, 05:49:50 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOIN2CGCcAAJEGd.png:large

a riveting question
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 02, 2013, 05:54:01 PM
what (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOIN2CGCcAAJEGd.png:large)

why
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on July 03, 2013, 03:38:57 PM
I...don't understand how anyone could even think there was a debate.  Or how this is CNN and not Fox.


Well...except I guess that if some white person said to me "My dear cracker, how's it going" in front of a black person, I suppose the black person might be offended.

(Whereas if a black person says to another black person in front of a white person "Hey my Nigger, how's it going", nobody should be offended).
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on July 03, 2013, 05:39:04 PM
Guy at the bottom left looks like he agrees.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on July 03, 2013, 07:59:59 PM
CNN is not reputable.  They're every bit the sensationalist cesspool of voyeurism masquerading as journalism as fox is.  they're just not as racist about it.  usually.  (yes, fox is racist; local interest leans very, very heavily toward black people committing crimes and black people doing stupid things.  CNN, to my understanding, does not have that same racial leaning.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on July 03, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
Guy at the bottom left looks like he agrees.

That's LeVar Burton, incidentally. What he had to say is immensely depressing. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/01/levar-burton-explains-his-ritual-to-prevent-being-shot-by-police/)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on July 03, 2013, 08:42:27 PM
Fuck! There has to be a way to change this shit.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on July 04, 2013, 05:18:13 AM
Guy at the bottom left looks like he agrees.

That's LeVar Burton, incidentally. What he had to say is immensely depressing. (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/01/levar-burton-explains-his-ritual-to-prevent-being-shot-by-police/)

Yeah, from what I've seen it seems to be especially awful for black men in particular.


Fun story, when I lived in San Francisco, I hung out with a group of transmen from time to time.  The white ones had kind-of unsettling stories about how they got massive raises after making the switch, or how people respected their authority a whole lot more.  And to be clear, they weren't like "wohoo, we picked the winning team" or anything--this was coming from a group of people who grew up without privilege, the stories were more along the lines of "you know what else is fucked up?  I got a 40% raise."  The token black man in the group, on the other hand, seemed positively haunted and alarmed by the treatment he was receiving, and was looking for possible outs (asking me whether he might be better off if he moved to Canada, that kind of thing).
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cmdr_King on July 04, 2013, 09:50:02 AM
o_0

I mean I know the statistics (which suggest like a 30% raise if switching gender magically adjusted such inequities), but I'm kinda curious, what field is this?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on July 04, 2013, 10:29:20 AM
Fuck! There has to be a way to change this shit.

Nope!  Police will continue to be the largest, most powerful street gang in the world for the time being.  You can be arrested for filming them because it "endangers their safety."  Apparently police, like some tribes of aboriginals but no male models, believe taking your picture steals part of your soul.  In the latest breakthrough in enabling tyranny, you no longer have the right to remain silent. (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/06/salinas_v_texas_right_to_remain_silent_supreme_court_right_to_remain_silent.html)  You only have that right after you have been formally arrested now.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on July 05, 2013, 02:06:58 AM
o_0

I mean I know the statistics (which suggest like a 30% raise if switching gender magically adjusted such inequities), but I'm kinda curious, what field is this?

I dunno, probably not programming, because the two programmer guys in the group I spoke with a little about work and game development, and it wasn't one of them.  And it was some kind of office job. 

(And to be fair, I kind-of just pulled the 30% number out of my ass based on unrelated statistics.  The exact wording was something less well-defined like "massive raise".)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Idun on July 05, 2013, 03:06:21 PM
Shock. Being black in the US, let alone being a black man.

5th amendment right and witnesses. Huh, never thought about that.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on July 25, 2013, 02:27:10 AM
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/105853/breaking-bad-karma

*Facepalm
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Dark Holy Elf on July 25, 2013, 02:39:04 AM
That got so bad, so fast.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on July 25, 2013, 02:54:20 AM
That got so bad, so fast.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on July 25, 2013, 03:10:37 AM
Warning: MRA (http://www.mgtowforums.com/forums/mens-general-discussion/17241-its-wwii-all-over-again.html)

Brought to you by Hunter of GameFAQs. Endless entertainment.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cotigo on July 25, 2013, 08:32:37 PM
Wow. All that's some incoherent fuckin' nonsense, I tell you what.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Captain K. on July 26, 2013, 02:12:52 AM
I wish you hadn't linked that.  While I guess I already know there are people like that in the world, seeing it in print is just stomach-turning.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Sierra on July 26, 2013, 03:05:20 AM
*wonders what MRA is* *clicks* *immediate regret*
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on July 26, 2013, 03:01:30 PM
*wonders what MRA is* *clicks* *immediate regret*

I somewhat envy your former ignorance of the subject at hand.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on July 26, 2013, 03:29:46 PM
Men are only 80% of the Senate, 75% of the Senate and all of the Presidents?? Why you not think of the menz and their rights ya'll is basically it.

(I am not clicking that link for my own sanity.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Sierra on July 26, 2013, 08:58:23 PM
*wonders what MRA is* *clicks* *immediate regret*

I somewhat envy your former ignorance of the subject at hand.

I've heard of this tripe before, the acronym just didn't click because I try and pretend anything that staggeringly dim and self-involved doesn't actually exist.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on July 29, 2013, 02:29:53 AM
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/is-this-the-most-embarrassing-interview-fox-news-has-ever-do

Yes, you read that title correctly; it does indeed ask "Is This The Most Embarrassing Interview Fox News Has Ever Done?"
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on July 29, 2013, 07:33:20 AM
"Don't you think that INCREDIBLY STUPID THING."

"No, because I am not intellectually dishonest and a gaping void of contempt for academia."

10/10 would watch more interviews with him.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on August 04, 2013, 06:38:10 AM
I watched one minute of the interview, can already see where it's going.  The minute I did watch though?

"So why would a Muslim write a book about Jesus?"

"I'm a professor in the area who just happens to be a Muslim, not a Muslim writing about this kind of stuff, I don't see what's hard to understand."

"but why would a Muslim want to write about the founder of Christianity!?"

"I just told you, because it's my job..."


Also, correct me if I'm wrong but a Muslim writing about Jesus sounds incredibly normal, no?  I mean, isn't Jesus one of their 3 Main Prophets?  Strikes me that any self respecting member of the religion would at least have some interest in the figure.  Seems no different to me than a Christian writing a historical book about Moses or Joshua.


...or hell, how hard is it to understand the basic idea of "I believe this, but I still think this religion's beliefs are interesting enough!"  You can totally be fascinated by one thing while not believing what they do.  Not a hard concept to understand people!


(I don't know if the interview said anything else, but I would not be surprised if this was the least stupid thing.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on August 06, 2013, 09:43:13 AM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633261-dragons-crown/66875048

Astounding pile of stupid.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on August 06, 2013, 11:51:09 AM
The first post was bad enough but then it goes on and on and on.
I hope they're all just 12.

For the record this is in the game: http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/1/16049/2525624-5141663141-3dkae.jpg
A reviewer found the art generally immature and questionable and docked a few points for it. -> Immense backlash of the male privilege internet community.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on August 06, 2013, 12:37:46 PM
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633261-dragons-crown/66875048

Astounding pile of stupid.

AT first I thought it was simply "oh look, another Dragon's Crown got ONE bad review among the sea of high scores" topic, but reading it further...um, wow, that's pretty special.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cotigo on August 06, 2013, 02:17:26 PM
For the record, this is also in the game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex133LSR6xE#t=1m05s

And this is a resin figure you can buy in many of the Animes shops around here (have not seen it in person, thankfully... yet): http://imgur.com/a/Z7sAo

It's a shame, too, because the game looks like it has decent hack-and-slash sidescrolling gameplay, and the art isn't terrible when the characters' proportions are realistic (the Archer/Elf character looks fine, for instance).  Won't be buying it out of principle, though.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on August 06, 2013, 02:59:19 PM
Fffffgggggluuuuuhhh that topic....
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on August 06, 2013, 03:15:58 PM
I'm pretty much in the same boat as Zenny regarding Dragon's Crown.  It looks like the spiritual successor to DnD: Shadows Over Mystara, which, well, my forcing people to Multiplayer the game at DLCon speaks about my opinion of the game.

The Art-style and over-the-top designs ruin it for me to some degree.  I get it's going for parody, and it was trying for an 80s Fantasy Style to fully capture the parody, but it doesn't change the fact that the character designs generally look off.  The Elf and the Wizard (or whatever the Male Spellcaster's name is) are the only designs that I can I say like, simply because they aren't over the top, and actually work with the art-style, not sort of clashing with it because "parody."  As was mentioned in chat at one point, it's not a talent thing going on here, but a stylistic choice.

Was considering getting the game but then considering all that I have to play and how I want to cut back on spending, game seems like it's better skipped or bought at reduced price.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on August 06, 2013, 05:51:05 PM
Yeah, the problematic PCs were a definite strike against the game, but it's the in-game NPC stuff that really pushes into "fuck no" territory.

Also, for the record, I got four posts into that GF topic.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on August 06, 2013, 06:10:42 PM
I was considering picking it up to see how it went.  I didn't realise you could tweak the nipples of the chained up female npc in the first 3 minutes of gameplay.

Wow.  But yes, topic linked for statements made, not for the Dragon's Crown shenanigans.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on August 06, 2013, 06:23:57 PM
Yeah, I've been bitching about the morons on that forum for at least three days now and have been generally disgusted by the response to the Polygon review. I've been (since I'm stupid) posting in other topics, but kinda threw my hand up at that one.

Not really bothered by the shamelessness of Dragon's Crown myself, but anyone who doesn't realize that's going to bother some people is seriously a moron.

Amusingly, at this point, I'm so over the male vs female thing on that forum that I've started to get really angry that people don't seem to understand how reviews work instead. The number of "reviews should be objective, how dare the reviewer bring opinion into this!" type of responses have been staggering.

I dunno. Entire community has just sort of pissed me off.

That all said, whatevs. Picking up my copy today. I'll see how it actually is.

Edit: Also, don't think parody is the right word, Meeps. From all my experience, the game plays 100% straight. It is more homage to 80's fantasy with Vanillaware cutting loose artistically.

Edit the Second: Also, the review is still fucking 6.5. Jesus Christ, people. Learn how an out of 10 scale works. I've said it a million times, but, in the Polygon review, it is pretty obvious the repititiveness bugs her (she makes a LOT of reference to it and the steps taken to try and deal with it). Frankly, the review sounds like a solid 7 (maaaaaaaaaaaybe an 8) that she docks because she hates the art that you, you know, will have to look at all game.

She still scores the game a decent chunk above average and well into the good game territory.

Edit the Third: God dammit Grefter. You got me angry about that forum all over again.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cmdr_King on August 06, 2013, 06:52:24 PM
<Grefter> Gooooood.  The hate is swelling in you now.  With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on August 06, 2013, 08:14:55 PM
I seem to recall the guy who drew the game admitted he made those designs especially over the top specifically to satire the designs of that era.  Call it an homage, but there was definitely a sense of doing it for irony's sake, rather than doing it out of shear respect.

Could be mis-remembering though, and to be fair, as much as I want to say the Fighter is too unrealistically buff to a point of parody...I am to forced to concede that it is no better than pretty much half the males drawn by Rob Liefeld during the 90s, so perhaps maybe it is an homage.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on August 06, 2013, 08:28:07 PM
What people say to the press doesn't really matter anyway, only the execution in game.

I also will not get the game purely because of the gross elements, so I'm glad one reviewer out of 100 acknowledges the damn thing.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on August 07, 2013, 05:16:28 AM
Andy, the way reviews out of 10 work is that 9 is good, 8 is OK, and anything lower is bad.  Because that is the consensus of the reviewing community, and is what the review-reading public have come to expect.  Of is not coincidentally how public school grades work.  You're an English major, right?  Don't take the math of the 1-10 scale seriously.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Dark Holy Elf on August 07, 2013, 06:08:09 AM
8 is a far sight better than "OK" in most education programs I'm aware of, and it's true of game reviews as well, where the average review score is in fact 6.x (I've seen this cited in a few places, but here's the quickest link (http://mynintendonews.com/2011/12/23/metacritic-shows-the-wii-had-the-lowest-average-review-scores-during-2011/) I could find as an example).

People just get pissy that the game gets a "good" (or in this case, I guess, "average") score instead of an "amazing" score because they are butthurt losers who define themselves by people agreeing with their opinions (often before they have even played the game!).

god forbid someone find something only average for reasons they do a good job of justifying
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on August 07, 2013, 06:57:51 PM
What people say to the press doesn't really matter anyway, only the execution in game.

I also will not get the game purely because of the gross elements, so I'm glad one reviewer out of 100 acknowledges the damn thing.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on August 07, 2013, 08:29:27 PM
Bwaha, the Tea Party folks are staging a boycott on Ebony magazine for putting pictures of people in hoodies on their cover. I bet their revenue will plummet.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on August 08, 2013, 01:50:58 AM
I'm going to write about it on my RPG forum.  That'll show 'em!
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on August 09, 2013, 03:15:44 AM
http://youtu.be/6_1SFf8t-ko

Politics in Australia.

Best parts:
"I don't oppose Islam as a country"
"Jews aren't under Haram. They have their own religion which follows Jesus Christ"

She was an easy target, but man the news network ripped her apart.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on August 09, 2013, 09:40:15 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=47143 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=47143)

Not Yang and Pope; they're awesome.  The idiot of the day is Dan DiDio. 

Quote
Asked by Yang if he had tried to do an all-ages book with a franchise character, Pope said he did test the waters, only to be knocked back. "Batman did pretty well, so I sat down with the head of DC Comics. I really wanted to do 'Kamandi [The Last Boy on Earth]', this Jack Kirby character. I had this great pitch… and he said 'You think this is gonna be for kids? Stop, stop. We don't publish comics for kids. We publish comics for 45-year olds. If you want to do comics for kids, you can do 'Scooby-Doo.' And I thought, 'I guess we just broke up.'"

"NEW READERS?  FUCK YOU, YANG!  WE WRITE COMICS THAT APPEAL TO ME AND NO ONE ELSE!" -Dan DiDio.

I'm kind of curious to see how DC's current trend of violently flaming out goes.  Given that they are apparently interested in marketing only to a highly-insular and constantly-shrinking market, they've seen sales drop by something to the tune of half in the past 18 months and they're hell-bent on pushing creative staff out as fast as possible.  Wonder how much farther they can fall before Warner says they're going Reprint Only to maintain copyright?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on August 10, 2013, 05:44:48 AM
Honestly, DC's problem is that they're too afraid to take risks I feel.  Ok, New 52 was a pretty big risk, and it paid off in the short term, but things just slowly went back to the way they were.  Also, New 52 had this problem of being overwhelming in terms of releases.  They released everything at once, its hard to figure out what you want.  Contrast to Marvel Now! which was released over a span of several months, so there were only a few #1s per week, easier to keep track of all the new stuff.  Marvel Now! granted wasn't as big as New 52,  though it wasn't anywhere near as ballsy, and Marvel Now! was clearly just made as a marketting ploy to counter act New 52.

Really, though, when it comes down to it, Marvel is not afraid to try and push oddball names in hopes to make them bigger.  Guardians of the Galaxy is their current test subject in that regard, for lack of a better word, and Iron Man is probably their most successful using this business strategy (and it sure as hell paid off.)  Whenever I see DC coming out with something new, it's often More Batman, More Superman, or something involving both (like the JLA.)  Heck, I remember like 2 months ago or  something, they cancelled 4 books, and replaced them with...2 Superman books, a Batman book, and a 4th thing that was actually something newish? 

It's not just comics; their movies, animated stuff, and even games heavily rely on those two.  I know they're DC's biggest faces by far, but it wouldn't hurt to try and push some of the other JLA heroes into the limelight.  Easing up on Batman a bit and putting some efforts into promoting another character probably wouldn't hurt too much.  Batman's popularity isn't going to start waning anytime soon, so you really don't need to push him anymore, just acknowledge him when something new of his comes out and people will buy it because "It's Batman."  Put more of that Batman marketting efforts into someone else who needs it.

But yeah, they're marketing to a specific fanbase only, and not trying to bring in new readers.   New 52 was the only time it felt like a strong push, and once the hype of that died out, they basically just said "fuck it, back to business as usual." 


That said, wasn't Dididio also the guy who whined about 52 being the worst thing ever, then said "Countdown is 52 done right!"?  Everytime I hear about stuff related to Dididio, it never sounds good, but maybe I've only heard of the bad stuff.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on August 10, 2013, 05:55:44 AM
I've never heard anything positive about Dan DiDio, so you aren't far off there.

I think the difference is who drives things.  At Marvel, the direction of the label is decided annually at the Writer's Summit, where Hickman and Bendis and the rest get together and talk plots.  At DC, editorial drives everything, keeps writing and art from working directly together, orders rewrites constantly, and forces the timetable on writers to adhere to events and plots that aren't organic to the story.  That's why they can't keep their best staff on anymore, it's just a terrible environment to work in.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on August 10, 2013, 12:40:55 PM
That fourth thing was probably Green Team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Green_Team_%28comics%29) (the most recent of the new books that counts as part of the latest "New 52") which is an old team from the 70s from a single comic.

So sometimes DC still do some weird stuff.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on August 10, 2013, 04:26:33 PM
I've never heard anything positive about Dan DiDio, so you aren't far off there.

I think the difference is who drives things.  At Marvel, the direction of the label is decided annually at the Writer's Summit, where Hickman and Bendis and the rest get together and talk plots.  At DC, editorial drives everything, keeps writing and art from working directly together, orders rewrites constantly, and forces the timetable on writers to adhere to events and plots that aren't organic to the story.  That's why they can't keep their best staff on anymore, it's just a terrible environment to work in.

Possible.  I do know that Dan Slott explained the process some at Free Comic Book Day to the guy in front of me, and yeah, it's often the writers bouncing ideas off each other and often changes occur in planning when the other writers aren't very into the idea themselves, thus you sort of take one for the team.

And yeah, Grefter, DC does sometimes do that, but they don't push these as much as Marvel does, though, maybe I'm just jaded by how much Marvel pushed GotG because of, well, this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2015381/), thus they have a reason to care about it's success while to DC, if Green Team fails, it's just another comic they can cancel.  I won't deny Marvel probably has this mindset for a number of things they produce.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on August 10, 2013, 10:39:58 PM
I think you are missing part of how comics function in the current Marvel environment.  The comics for the upcoming movies do get a big push, but that is because it gets the name out there to the wider audience.  The relative quality or success of said comics is kind of irrelevant at the end of the day.  That said they aren't going to cry a waterfall of tears if they do get a good book and a profit out of it.

It is effectively a self paying bit of marketting that can also produce storyline content for the more profitable movie component.  It is really quite well done for as long as they can keep rolling on this wave of Super Heroes as the modern Myth thing and making good money.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on August 10, 2013, 10:44:05 PM
Yeah, DC is all about keeping everything "important" in the same voice. If you look at who's been in charge of the big "event" crossovers from the last few years, there's a pretty strong contrast. At Marvel, you had Mark Millar write Civil War, then Bendis did Secret Invasion and Siege, Fraction wrote Fear Itself, the entire writer's room collaborated on Avengers vs. X-Men, and now Hickman is doing Infinity. Meanwhile, DC's events are all Geoff Johns, except Final Crisis. Granted, most of those stories sucked, no matter which company you're talking about, but Marvel at least gave multiple writers a chance to embarrass themselves.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on August 16, 2013, 08:05:59 AM
http://mediamatters.org/embed/static/clips/2013/08/13/31518/cnn-newsroom-20130813-cnnthomassen1

So like...most of the video is actually alright; I think there are at least theoretically plausible concerns raised on both sides.  Until the 5 minute mark.

LMAO, did you just... call Masen Goddamn Davis a lady?  Really?  Any casual viewer looking at you two side by side would conclude he has bigger balls than you do.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on August 16, 2013, 10:37:45 PM
Oklahoma, meet Establishment Clause. And Free Exercise Clause and Equal Protection Clause and Due Process Clause and if it had gotten enacted Contract Clause for good measure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/oklahoma-sharia-constitution_n_3764313.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cotigo on August 18, 2013, 09:48:23 AM
Guys, are we really spoiler tagging information from news (well, CNN) clips now?

Come on.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on August 18, 2013, 02:59:43 PM
I think the idea is spoiling the surprise of the idiocy.   I guess to some people, it's a novelty not knowing the stupidity they're going to see before they see it.

Personally, I am totally ok with "spoiling" myself on this kind of stuff.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: TranceHime on August 21, 2013, 03:27:03 AM
(http://puu.sh/3bIwD.jpg)

Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on August 21, 2013, 03:48:46 AM
y u do this 2 me
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on August 21, 2013, 03:58:45 AM
Next time I feel terrible I'll remember I'm not this guy
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on August 21, 2013, 04:03:19 AM
That is IotY caliber material.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cotigo on August 21, 2013, 04:07:11 AM
y u do this 2 me
Next time I feel terrible I'll remember I'm not this guy
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: TranceHime on August 21, 2013, 05:00:29 AM
That is IotY caliber material.

"Wishing that the Mayans were right" indeed
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on August 21, 2013, 05:44:41 AM
...Trance, I hate you forever.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on August 21, 2013, 02:09:11 PM
THE SCORN OF THE EARTH

set fire to everything

Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on August 21, 2013, 05:58:04 PM
I should be more bothered by the fact that my immediate reaction is "What's so special about this? This guy is pretty representative of modern anime fans, actually. Of course he's a fucking moron."
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: VySaika on August 21, 2013, 06:05:35 PM
I'd make a comment about "what about western comics" here, but that guy doesn't seem interested in the fully developed adult women that comics oversexualize.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on August 21, 2013, 06:42:27 PM
That's just the tip of the iceberg (http://mantearsflowingfree.tumblr.com/).

Warning: May cause murders.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on August 21, 2013, 09:00:51 PM
So...if I get the situation entirely straight based on Trance and Shale's links that caused some level of brain hemorrhaging....

New Anime comes out, one that is potentially aimed at female audiences, with yaoi undertones, and has no real sexualization of underaged girls in it, has caused a number of male anime fans to riot because...one showed dared to not be aimed at them?

If this isn't accurate, it's because I don't know the full situation and don't wish to read up anymore on it because I'm already suffering from what little I have read!
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on August 21, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
I'd make a comment about "what about western comics" here, but that guy doesn't seem interested in the fully developed adult women that comics oversexualize.

Western Comics are no longer sufficiently male-oriented anymore.  Did you know that Hawkeye isn't only about Hawkeye, but it's also about a GIRL HAWKEYE?!?!  I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on August 22, 2013, 01:15:18 AM
I'd make a comment about "what about western comics" here, but that guy doesn't seem interested in the fully developed adult women that comics oversexualize.

Western Comics are no longer sufficiently male-oriented anymore.  Did you know that Hawkeye isn't only about Hawkeye, but it's also about a GIRL HAWKEYE?!?!  I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK.

What? No reference to LUCKY?!
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: TranceHime on August 22, 2013, 01:58:04 AM
So...if I get the situation entirely straight based on Trance and Shale's links that caused some level of brain hemorrhaging....

New Anime comes out, one that is potentially aimed at female audiences, with yaoi undertones, and has no real sexualization of underaged girls in it, has caused a number of male anime fans to riot because...one showed dared to not be aimed at them?

If this isn't accurate, it's because I don't know the full situation and don't wish to read up anymore on it because I'm already suffering from what little I have read!

Basically? Yes, you'd be correct.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on August 23, 2013, 06:06:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B09FXOZVw4g

South Korea.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Lady Door on August 23, 2013, 07:36:48 PM
http://jezebel.com/how-not-to-react-to-the-news-that-bradley-manning-is-tr-1182604480

:|
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on August 23, 2013, 08:46:16 PM
So...if I get the situation entirely straight based on Trance and Shale's links that caused some level of brain hemorrhaging....

New Anime comes out, one that is potentially aimed at female audiences, with yaoi undertones, and has no real sexualization of underaged girls in it, has caused a number of male anime fans to riot because...one showed dared to not be aimed at them?

If this isn't accurate, it's because I don't know the full situation and don't wish to read up anymore on it because I'm already suffering from what little I have read!

Basically? Yes, you'd be correct.

That's it. I'm done. This person has ruined 10 years of the enjoyment I ever got out the great and mediocre works of anime. Rumiko Takahashi's comedy, Miyazaki's whimsy, Satoshi Kon's thought-provoking weirdness, hell even Gainax when it was good... I just feel dirty being associated with someone like this.

I really like the stylization of anime art, but if this is really what it's come to be about, I feel like it isn't worth trying to separate the wheat from the chaff anymore.

I'm going to go take a shower now.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on August 23, 2013, 08:57:56 PM
Man. How are you still a gamer?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on August 23, 2013, 09:00:45 PM
By not reading other gaming forums, apparently...

This one is just particularly disgusting to me.

A more complete answer would be: This isn't my only problem with anime, there's a few things about it that have been bothering me lately, along with waning interest. This terrible person/phenomenon within the anime community is just the straw that broke Djinn's tolerance for idiots.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on August 23, 2013, 10:26:39 PM
If you want to be disgusted by gaming in a similar way

Look up the flash game about beating up Anita Sarkeesian
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on August 23, 2013, 10:45:13 PM
I just feel dirty being associated with someone like this.

I'm going to go take a shower now.

You should try it professionally <_<
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Hunter Sopko on August 23, 2013, 10:58:23 PM
I just feel dirty being associated with someone like this.

I'm going to go take a shower now.

You should try it professionally <_<

I did.

Also, I get what Djinn is saying, but srs don't let other people ruin a hobby for you. That's just as stupid as whatever horseshit comes out of their mouths.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on August 23, 2013, 11:59:31 PM
Just never go on forums.  Only go to Furcon afterparties.  Tell any other guy in your four ways that he has to wear a ball gag.  Most important remember that she is mai Waifu so fuck you how dare you imply that sunlight has ever touched her pristine vagina.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on August 24, 2013, 12:03:00 AM
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/08/23/christopher_lane_shooting_fox_news_commentator_janet_morana_blames_abortion.html

warning: fox.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Captain K. on August 24, 2013, 06:33:54 AM
Phew, Roe v Wade passed right about the time I was conceived.  That was a close one.  Now I have a free pass to perform any crime I want.

Also regarding Bradley/Chelsea Manning, the internet being awful is not news.  But Manning isn't exactly helping herself by announcing it immediately after the trial.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Lady Door on August 24, 2013, 07:30:15 AM
When should she have announced it? After she was placed in the all-male facility to begin her sentence?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on August 26, 2013, 03:40:48 PM
And requesting a name change during the trial presumably would have gone over like a lead balloon with the judge.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on August 26, 2013, 05:36:34 PM
It shouldn't have played any part in deciding guilt, but judges are allowed to consider virtually any factor in sentencing, certainly including present circumstances.  Announcing it right after trial smacks of gamesmanship - obviously the timing of the announcement was based on trial.  I would think it would have been better to announce it earlier rather than waiting until the world was watching.  Now it seems like a political or tactical move rather than a natural one.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on August 26, 2013, 05:42:09 PM
Wouldn't it have been more of a gamesmanship move to switch names/pronouns before sentencing, then? It seems to me she waited this long to make that move (although we've known Manning was trans for years, that part's not new) specifically to avoid implications like that.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on August 26, 2013, 06:22:59 PM
Depends on timing.  Right before = looks like gamesmanship.  Years ago = looks legit.  And I'll agree right before would have been more eyebrow-raising than right after, but both inevitably feel tactical.

In my experience, if you've got something to disclose, earlier is better, from the perspective of the Courts.  If you delay, no matter how legitimate the facts of the disclosure are, the judge is going to press you on your timing.  Although this disclosure is a bit different in that it doesn't affect any material part of the case in chief.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Lady Door on August 26, 2013, 06:58:55 PM
From what I understand -- and admittedly my understanding is limited -- this was the culmination of a lot of therapy. The trans-living stuff was well known, and brought up during the trial, so I kind of feel like she had no "good" moment to announce she felt her transition was complete and she'd like to be living as a woman full-time now.

Basically: earlier wasn't an option. So what "later" would have not looked suspicious?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on August 28, 2013, 05:50:45 PM
Black Parents Need to Get it Together, Says Former Tea Party Congressman Sued Over Child Support (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/08/joe-walsh-black-parents-need-get-it-together)

Annals of great headline-writing.

Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on August 28, 2013, 06:01:54 PM
Basically: earlier wasn't an option. So what "later" would have not looked suspicious?

The further removed from the big dates in the trial, including sentencing, the better.  In the end, the timing is what it is, and no one in their right mind doubts the legitimacy of her claim.  A month before the trial would seem less tactical; a month after sentencing would, too.  Not a huge deal, in any case.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on September 04, 2013, 06:16:09 AM
http://givenbreath.com/2013/09/03/fyi-if-youre-a-teenage-girl/

so

she criticizes girls for not wearing a bra in a facebook picture but post pictures of her sons in nothing but swim trunks

so i guess girls won't imagine these boys naked even though apparently her sons will imagine a girl without a bra naked???

"i had to block your pictures from my sons facebook because I AM THE MORALITY POLICE"

nothing says christian values like a little sexual repression
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Lady Door on September 04, 2013, 06:25:37 AM
The arguments are akin to rape apologists (oh yeah I godwinned this): Women should be more careful about the image they project. Women should think about the effect they have on men. Women should make sure to protect themselves from others' unclean thoughts by portraying a perfect image at all times.

Not I'm teaching my boys the value of seeing a whole person or my boys know to avoid situations that make them uncomfortable. It's "boys are stimulated by sight, so we need to be cautious of that."

There is some merit to what she says -- the amount of sexy tween photos is a growing trend, and while it's not at all a new thing for young people to explore their sexuality it is a new thing to have it saved forever and ever and ever for anyone to witness -- but it really really really rubs me the wrong way that she makes her point by telling the girls to behave in a way that does not give her innocent boys an excuse to stray into impure thoughts.

Agency, yo. It works both ways.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 04, 2013, 09:08:56 PM
Posts like this exist because parents are simply not comfortable enough with teenage sexuality to be honest about it.  Which would go something like this.  "Dear _____, you posted a picture of yourself in a sexy pose in your PJs, and because teenage boys - including my sons - are total horndogs, that means some teenage boy - maybe one of my sons - is gonna jerk off to it.  And the thought of that makes me super uncomfortable.  Please please please stop."
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on September 06, 2013, 10:57:20 PM
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/06/hampstead_school_head_sets_police_on_pupil_after_attack_blog/

How is this a thing happening in 2013.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meiousei on September 07, 2013, 01:22:30 AM
*sighs* I feel that the teacher was targeting the student, finding a reason to really ruin him. He might have been threatened by the student's words, but what he did was kinda stupid in that regard.

The only lesson I can say is: "Once your opinion is on the internet, it can be used against you or for you, for good or bad." In this case, it was used to ruin a student's career.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on September 07, 2013, 02:18:31 AM
Completely shitting on a kid for having the opinion of "high school sucks" and being pro anarchism is like being a 40 year old in the 1960s.  What I am saying is that I think this headmaster may actually be a V:tM Methuselah.

Kids posting inflammatory shit about their high school is like literally every third goddamned week because it is the internet and they are right on the high school sucking part (although commonly they are being little shits when it comes to their opinions on teachers etc.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 07, 2013, 07:06:36 PM
Is that article for real?  Some of the quotes from the teacher seem too tone-deaf and caricaturized (that's a word now, sez me) to be real.  I understand there are awful people in thew world, but usually they aren't quite so able and willing to condense their awfulness into short, simple phrases like, "I must do something. In the last year he has become more and more enchanted by anti-establishment ways of thinking and has even said that there is an inherent risk that every government is corrupt."  Who says that in real life?  It's like it was pulled from the script of Dr. Strangelove or something.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on September 07, 2013, 07:22:00 PM
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/education/hampstead-headteacher-tells-police-of-pupil-enchanted-by-anarchism-and-tips-off-his-chosen-university-8801621.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/06/headteacher-anarchist-student-kinnan-zaloom-police_n_3880474.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

It could be fake, but I'm seeing it pop on a few places on the internet. http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/jacques-szemalikowski/56/b09/332 / dude's got a linked in as well. The register is absolute garbage, but this may be an actual real news story.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 07, 2013, 07:36:46 PM
Alternately, it could be that the Register just massaged the quote a bit for maximum impact.  Less-reputable papers do that sometimes. (It's it's common, uncontroversial practice for journalists to transmute grammatically incorrect quotes with ums and ers into proper English so long as they don't change the meaning or embellish.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meiousei on September 08, 2013, 05:57:13 PM
So there's evidence of it not being fake. Still doesn't explain the headstrong actions unless the teacher really just hated the student. Because it sounds more like the teacher just had it out for him. Which does and does not surprise me in this day and age. (Though it does depress me.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: DjinnAndTonic on September 09, 2013, 04:13:53 AM
Friend of mine showed me this. It's a lot more light hearted than the usual IotD.

18-year old making a dumb choice involving getting a tattoo. And the results are pretty epic.
Not sure if its genuine or not, but I was amused.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtkuvF7VbSQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHtkuvF7VbSQ
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on September 09, 2013, 04:47:06 PM
DC Comics: A comedy in two acts.

Act 1: The writers of Batwoman walk off the title because DC editorial refuses at the last minute to let the title character marry her girlfriend. (http://www.jhwilliams3.com/archives/1826) Entirely predictably, the Internet flips its collective shit.

Intermission

Act 2: DC exclaims that of course they're not anti-gay, that would be silly. They're anti-marriage, (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/09/08/dc-comics-and-the-war-against-marriage-comics-batwoman-aquaman/) which is entirely reasonable and sane and in no way makes them look like morons.

...and scene. 
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 09, 2013, 08:38:42 PM
Meanwhile at Marvel Comics, there's exactly one character in the X-Men who disapproves of Northstar's same-sex marriage, and the excuse the writers came up with for her intolerance is that she has a different cultural background because she (Warbird) is literally an alien from outer space.

I learned all this from the latest issue of some X-Men book that, regrettably, kinda sucked.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meiousei on September 09, 2013, 10:19:45 PM
Warbird being an alien is an...subjective. I'd put it closer that she's a human who got alien DNA. And I recall there was someone else who actually DISPROVED of Northstar's marriage but came around eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if Carol has (or already had) the same epiphany.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 09, 2013, 11:31:11 PM
Warbird being an alien is an...subjective. I'd put it closer that she's a human who got alien DNA. And I recall there was someone else who actually DISPROVED of Northstar's marriage but came around eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if Carol has (or already had) the same epiphany.

Carol Danvers hasn't been Warbird for like 15, 20 years.  She's Captain Marvel now (and has a pretty great new outfit).  He's talking about the Shi'ar soldier, Warbird.

Anyway, almost everything DC does falls in this category.  For example, a contest where, if you win, you can draw their new Harley Quinn story (for no pay).  One of the scenes you are to draw involves sexualizing her suicide attempt.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on September 10, 2013, 12:02:24 AM
Also, during suicide awareness month.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on September 10, 2013, 02:59:30 AM
Really, DC's hole current debacle is one massive IotD.  Between Shale's nonsense followed by the Harley Quinn thing, one has to wonder if all this bad PR is intentional as some form of company suicide...
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on September 10, 2013, 04:17:54 AM
The sad thing is their stuff still sells. Not quite as well as Marvel's, but two-plus years later they're still doing better than they were before the reboot.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 10, 2013, 04:45:08 AM
Warbird being an alien is an...subjective. I'd put it closer that she's a human who got alien DNA. And I recall there was someone else who actually DISPROVED of Northstar's marriage but came around eventually. I wouldn't be surprised if Carol has (or already had) the same epiphany.

Carol Danvers hasn't been Warbird for like 15, 20 years.  She's Captain Marvel now (and has a pretty great new outfit).  He's talking about the Shi'ar soldier, Warbird.

Is there any name Carol Danvers has NOT had?  Yeesh.  Anyway, yeah, I'm talking about the angry Shiar lady who is apparently now an X-man for some reason or other.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meiousei on September 10, 2013, 07:32:14 AM
Ah. My mistake. Marvel has confused me of late.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 10, 2013, 03:30:31 PM
The sad thing is their stuff still sells. Not quite as well as Marvel's, but two-plus years later they're still doing better than they were before the reboot.

The main job of DC Comics is to maintain copyrights. Everything else is secondary for Warner, because the actual comics revenue is nothing compared to merch.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meiousei on September 10, 2013, 10:40:07 PM
Isn't their current best sellers a Batman book and a Superman book? I'd like to find a website that gives the week to week sales figures, rather than just the month. (Might actually help me find some new comics to pick up for Christmas).

And to change the subject a bit...for the idiot of the day: http://newsfixnow.com/2013/09/10/iowa-grants-gun-permits-to-blind-people/ Really?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Twilkitri on September 10, 2013, 11:23:07 PM
Given what I think I understand about Americans, shouldn't it be fine for blind people to have guns, just not fine for them to use them? Isn't one of the main arguments for having them that they can be used as a tool for threatening people (who mean you harm) with, rather than actually killing people with them? It's obviously not really going to help if the threatener knows that the victim is blind, but that isn't necessarily going to be the case.

The article points out that blind people aren't allowed to drive, but are they prevented from owning a car in the first place?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Lady Door on September 10, 2013, 11:30:11 PM
I think you are largely correct. Right to property is a hotly contested issue, though, especially when it comes to certain classes and disabilities. (For example, the number of people who believe that if you are on welfare, you are not allowed to spend your money on anything that is not expressly related to your survival.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Dark Holy Elf on September 10, 2013, 11:44:37 PM
Many people who own guns own them for the purpose of collection, as well (which a blind person can certainly do). Also my understanding is that some cities already ban gun use, but not their ownership (since you could go to a firing range or on a hunting trip and use it legally there). I'm generally not on the pro-gun side of many arguments but Iowa seems reasonable here to me.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meiousei on September 10, 2013, 11:47:46 PM
Talking about cars and blind people, I recall a TV that had Stevie Wonder learning to drive. As I recall, there is technology to help blind people to drive cars. It's just expensive as heck.

But aside from that, what makes it weird is when the article aired (at the same time I found the article), the gun expert on the site wasn't very happy about it. When I thought about it, the first thing that came to mind was 'Well he has a point'. I thought similar to Twilkitri, that it's just a tool to threaten. But it's still bugging me.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 11, 2013, 07:08:07 AM
(Might actually help me find some new comics to pick up for Christmas).

BOOKS YOU SHOULD BE READING BECAUSE IF NOT THEN FUCK YOU
-Hawkeye
-Daredevil
-F.F.
-Thor: God of Thunder

All easily better than anything with Batman or Superman in it.  Or especially anything with both of them in it.  You're welcome.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meiousei on September 11, 2013, 07:17:30 AM
F.F. as in Fantastic Four or Future Foundation?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 11, 2013, 08:41:48 AM
It's actually just called F.F.  The Fraction/Allred one.  Fraction's leaving after #12 to launch a new series, but they're bringing in the third Allred to round out the team for F.F.  It starts with the Fantastic Four all finding someone to fill in for them and look after the kids at the Future Foundation, just in case the time travel experiment doesn't work and they don't reappear 12 seconds later.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on September 11, 2013, 01:51:56 PM
Hawkeye hype I can get behind; that's been just plain awesome since issue 1 and never has done otherwise.

Can't speak for the other three though.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 11, 2013, 03:33:13 PM
one of the X-Men books seems pretty solid right now but the other ones kinda suck.  I'll let you know which later.

Also Deadpool is going strong.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on September 11, 2013, 04:29:45 PM
As great as Fraction has been on FF and FFour, I cannot fucking wait for the Allred/Allred/Allred books.

(Also the new Superman series by Scott Snyder is pretty good, even if Jim Lee is involved)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on September 11, 2013, 04:39:27 PM
Less comics, more comically dumb. Link A: Mr. Weiner. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/11/weiner-dodges-sexting-partner-flips-the-bird-as-he-rides-off/?hpt=hp_t2
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 11, 2013, 05:29:26 PM
one of the X-Men books seems pretty solid right now but the other ones kinda suck.  I'll let you know which later.

X-Men Legacy is fucking fantastic.  It's about Xavier's son (you know, the one who caused the AoA) trying to use his godlike powers for good.  Fucking read it.  All-New is also pretty good, and Cable & X-Force is fun.  UXF and Adjectiveless are hot garbage.

In other, idiot-based news:  http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-final-fantasy-xv-was-almost-a-musical (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-final-fantasy-xv-was-almost-a-musical)  Apparently Nomura saw Les Miz and came into work the next day wanting to change FF15 completely so it would be a musical.  This is after the game was in development for EIGHT YEARS.  In other idiot-based news, his biggest inspiration is Baz Luhrman, which explains a lot about his lack of worth as a creative force and a person.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Hunter Sopko on September 11, 2013, 07:55:35 PM
one of the X-Men books seems pretty solid right now but the other ones kinda suck.  I'll let you know which later.

X-Men Legacy is fucking fantastic.  It's about Xavier's son (you know, the one who caused the AoA) trying to use his godlike powers for good.  Fucking read it.  All-New is also pretty good, and Cable & X-Force is fun.  UXF and Adjectiveless are hot garbage.

In other, idiot-based news:  http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-final-fantasy-xv-was-almost-a-musical (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/13/e3-2013-final-fantasy-xv-was-almost-a-musical)  Apparently Nomura saw Les Miz and came into work the next day wanting to change FF15 completely so it would be a musical.  This is after the game was in development for EIGHT YEARS.  In other idiot-based news, his biggest inspiration is Baz Luhrman, which explains a lot about his lack of worth as a creative force and a person.

This just in, Rhapsody 2 announced, Nomura to write, compose, direct, star and cater
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on September 11, 2013, 08:22:25 PM
I don't see the Nomura thing as actually that big of an IotD.  Sometimes, you get a really weird spark of inspiration when you see something and want to go ahead with it, and heck, for people who argue the jRPG genre is "stagnant", it'd be a good way to make itself stand out (since yeah, Rhapsody is the only one and that was years ago.)  It may not have been a good idea, but I can't blame him for having this vision at one point.  Honestly strikes me as "let's take easy potshots at Nomura!" when he really didn't do anything wrong other than a weird spark of creativity that could have backfired dramatically if followed through (though we'll never know, and may be better off as a result.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 11, 2013, 09:45:22 PM
If you've been designing a game for seven years, STILL haven't released it, and then, one day you come in wanting to redesign the entire game as a musical that's pure IotD. If this was a story about a game that was released, and this had happened in early development that's one thing. Needing your boss to explain to you why you can't do a full redesign on a project in its eighth year, on the other hand...
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on September 11, 2013, 10:41:02 PM
This isn't me just agreeing with Rob on this.  That shit is fucking crazy

That would be a remotely defensible stance Meeple if he was just being paid as a creative person on the project, but he isn't.  He is the director for FF15.  That DOESN'T mean creative control to do whatever he feels like, it is to be the primary lead to get this game shipped and shipped in its best possible shape with the time, staff and money he had.

Having been there on a large scale IT project (for 2 years, not 8) that suddenly has morphed into something completely different and not what you had worked on for most of its life, it is pretty fucking horrific.  If someone did that on a whim after it had been in development for that long and was at best a year or two from release (given the timeframes here) and I was on the team I would seriously think about leaving or at least requesting to be moved to another project because I would have trouble working with that lead ever again.

He is free to have ideas, store them up and write them down.  Trying to jam every single idea into what is being worked on NOWNOWNOWNOW at the cost of those projects is bad.  Enthusiasm is great, but it needs to be tempered with wisdom and you would hope someone that has been in the industry as long as Nomura would have some kind of inkling of that by now.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on September 11, 2013, 10:51:33 PM
Except that the IotD in this case isn't Nomura, and isn't even "Of the Day" anymore; it's Square-enix for announcing a game way before they actually started serious development (they actually started serious development as of like 2 years ago or some such.)  They announced it ludicrously early, which Square-enix, at least for a while, had a knack for doing. 

Really, your entire argument is "8 year dev cycle, IT'S STUPID BECAUSE OF THIS!"  That'd be the case if they were actually working on the game during those 8 years, which they very clearly were not.  There's a reason people legitimately believed the game was going to be cancelled at one point, given all we got were 2 useless trailers, and the last one came out before Dissidia was even released in Japan, IOWs about 5 years ago.  You'll notice we got our first glimpse of anything resembling gameplay and stuff that wasn't action sequences at E3 this year...probably because they actually finally started working on the damn game.

So yeah, can't say I can get behind the IotD hype at all; honestly comes off as a cheap shot at Square-enix.


You'll notice it doesn't say he's doing what either did.  All it says he came in the next morning saying "Hey guys, we should totally do this idea!" and they just went "That's a bad idea, continue what we're working on." 


Sorry, but you both are blowing this out of proportion.  Read the actual article; he didn't say anything like you're claiming Grefter...at all.  It just says "he showed up, had the idea, everyone else talked him out of it, they moved on."

Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on September 11, 2013, 11:28:16 PM
How many man hours do you piss away on a project talking down a bad idea? As director he shouldn't have done this
 
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he charged into the Square offices the next morning intent on transforming FFXV into a musical of Les Miserables’s caliber.

The thought process should be "is this going to impact the preproduction that has already been done". Let alone "is this marketable", "is this right for this project" and "has my company announced this 5 years ago and we have already released trailers and set an expectation for what this is".

I don't know what you think I claimed that he said.  I am saying that one thing that is quoted without harping on the fact that the article refers to it as happening "a few months ago" is a sign that he doesn't properly use his internal filter for ideas like someone in his role should.

The fact that they had trailers mean someone somewhere did work on it in those 8 years.  I don't care whether it was just preproduction work or during the full swing dev cycle, he is still going to be throwing years of work out the window on a whim if that went ahead.  Again if I was in that position I wouldn't want to work under that person.  Having to discuss and maintain status quo for your project moving ahead every time the boss gets an idea overnight is shit not worth putting up with.

So yes I read the article.  I came out of it with this opinion.  You don't have to buy it, I am giving it for free.  Showing up and having to be talked out of it as the lead is still gods damned stupid.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 12, 2013, 03:18:32 AM
I also sincerely doubt that Square-Enix has the capital reserves to completely overhaul a game that they've gone all-in on as a way to save their flagging series.  Last I read they hadn't reversed their cash flow situation to any real degree, which means they're still on track for a late 2015 bankruptcy.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Dhyerwolf on September 12, 2013, 03:22:11 AM
I believe that they somehow integrated the FF 13 Versus into 15, which means that they have on some level been working on this project for nearly 8 years.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 12, 2013, 05:04:17 AM
It's much simpler than that.  They just sanded off the part where they painted "Versus 13" on it and put the number 15 on instead.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on September 12, 2013, 07:59:45 AM
FFXV as a musical?  Pfft, I've worked on weirder stuff than that.  It was never released, and only existed for about 3 months of development (but it was actually pretty fun, if unmarketable).

The weird part is that we even heard about this, not that it was brainstormed at some point behind closed doors during however many years they've had to be brainstorming ideas.

Honestly?  Game developers are not marketers, don't always understand what consumers want, and especially tend to have poor understandings of foreign markets.  (Hence how X-2 happened).
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on September 12, 2013, 08:35:58 AM
I agree, Devs aren't infallible.  That is kind of the point.  It isn't that the very idea of a JRPG that is a musical is a bad idea.  Assuming that you can do it with the biggest IP in the genre as the next main series release is optimistic to say the least.  Do I think they could have done it with Eternal Sonata (like srsly should have)?  Yes.  Do I think a reboot of Valkyrie Profile that is a straight retelling of the Ring Cycle would be pretty rad?  Yes.  (Lolololol 100 hour RPG amirite?)

Do I think floating that at work for FF15 after FF14 just lost the company millions is a smart thing to do?  No.
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Post by: Cmdr_King on September 12, 2013, 08:50:37 AM
Realistically, FFXV as a musical would be pretty brilliant; it's basically about a yakuza prince fighting off rivals seeking to steal his family's fortune with heavy overtones of fatalism.  And in a way, changing over a game to a musical wouldn't be that bad.  You're not negating existing work on the battle engine, art assets, level designs, or the like, you're changing the presentation of plot scenes more or less.  However, it's a pretty ballsy idea and the game's been in development long enough that challenging people's expectations at all would be Very Bad.  And of course if they'd gotten far enough along then the extra workload would be an unaffordable delay, but that depends on just how far along in development the game was.
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Post by: AndrewRogue on September 12, 2013, 06:17:37 PM
You're not negating existing work on the battle engine...

Uh. I'm gonna debate that.

If you make a musical RPG, you damn well better have a rhythm based combat system.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on September 12, 2013, 06:30:02 PM
Radically changing the structure of your game after years-upon-years of development is how Duke Nukem Forever happens.
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Post by: Lady Door on September 12, 2013, 06:33:39 PM
At this stage in development -- trailers released, code time put in, release date on a schedule -- it makes no sense to overhaul the project to cater to a trend or a whim.

Hell, it's not like Squenix hasn't done the whole FF<X>-2 thing. They could always spend the capital to create a product in parallel, a FFXV-2 or FFXV: The Musical. Or DLC. Or what the hell ever.

Working in Marketing, and working with devs, I've come to understand that no one knows what the fuck they're doing. But it is definitely the job of the director to make sure whatever everyone is doing is toward a steady goal, and to set aside the "what ifs" that pop up once you've reached the point of no return. Those points, in any well managed project, are well defined; the director's JOB is to stick to it.
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Post by: Shale on September 12, 2013, 06:40:09 PM
Also:

(a) Nomura has been in charge of the project from day one; if he wanted it to be a musical, he could have lobbied for that during, I don't know, the friggin' Bush administration. It's not like they just now asked his opinion for the first time.

(b) He's Tetsuya Friggin' Nomura. For better or worse (it's worse) he's got an inside track to getting games greenlit. If he wants to do a musical RPG, he doesn't have to force that into an existing project.
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Post by: Cmdr_King on September 12, 2013, 08:21:55 PM
At this stage in development -- trailers released, code time put in, release date on a schedule -- it makes no sense to overhaul the project to cater to a trend or a whim.


Well really that's just it; none of those things were true circa January of this year.  In fact, circa January of this year, people were convinced the game wasn't actually being made, and the only official knowledge beyond the basic premise (some character names, the fact it's an action game, the yakuza prince angle) that was being given out was "yes we are still making it".

So at that point the game more or less could be whatever it wanted without taking too big a hit.  At the same time, Square desperately needs a good game to come out of japan and be a smashing hit.  And that's why this is a bad idea, anything to delay releasing basically the only title anyone was remotely hyped up for would be bad mojo.  But that's not idiocy, it's just getting carried away.

Andrew: why?  It's not a music game, it's a musical.  Large swathes of the actual music would be completely unable to support a rhythm game, because it's designed for human voices to convey meaning, not emotionally-exciting beats.
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Post by: Grefter on September 12, 2013, 09:53:15 PM
You say that like music doesn't normally have a vocal component that dos that.  For every Electric Six that exists that straight up say they write songs about nonsense saying whatever ends cool there is a Metallica - One written, Pink Floyd or fuck even Coheed and Cambria in existence.

Also want a jarring mediocre RPG experience?  Have a game with a cool concept that isn't followed through with all the way raced on top of a standard RPG.

Also just because we didn't know about it doesn't change how far through production it was (whenever it was).
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Post by: NotMiki on September 12, 2013, 09:57:17 PM
Except that the IotD in this case isn't Nomura, and isn't even "Of the Day" anymore; it's Square-enix for announcing a game way before they actually started serious development (they actually started serious development as of like 2 years ago or some such.)  They announced it ludicrously early, which Square-enix, at least for a while, had a knack for doing. 

http://kotaku.com/according-to-its-director-kingdom-hearts-3-was-reveale-513072870

I'll just leave this here.
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Post by: Cmdr_King on September 12, 2013, 10:07:39 PM
Logically Kingdom Hearts 3 will be released in late 2015, preceeded in 2014 by Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 Remix.  If it's later than that, then we'll bitch about being revealed too early.

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You say that like music doesn't normally have a vocal component that dos that.  For every Electric Six that exists that straight up say they write songs about nonsense saying whatever ends cool there is a Metallica - One written, Pink Floyd or fuck even Coheed and Cambria in existence.

*shrug* Les Mis was specified as inspiration for the move.  I tend to think this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFcq2fcr_qY) wouldn't make a very good rhythm game.  Something like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMYNfQlf1H8) is better, yes, but still not really good for the format.

You certainly could tailor the music specifically to be gameplay friendly but honestly?  Why.  You're just making it gimmicky at that point rather than making a musical because it's a good fit.
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Post by: Meeplelard on September 12, 2013, 11:09:56 PM
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So at that point the game more or less could be whatever it wanted without taking too big a hit.  At the same time, Square desperately needs a good game to come out of japan and be a smashing hit.  And that's why this is a bad idea, anything to delay releasing basically the only title anyone was remotely hyped up for would be bad mojo.  But that's not idiocy, it's just getting carried away.

The bolded part is basically what I was trying to say, yes.  It happens, and it's not like Nomura was pushing really that heavily for it.  He got a little obsessed in something recently, and everyone else talked him out of it.  I wouldn't be surprised if in the interview, he looks back at himself and laughs because he himself admits it was silly.

You also hit the whole "in January, we seriously thought the game was cancelled, because this many years and we know nothing" point I was trying to say.  I'll just reference what yo said, but add in all we did know about FFv13 at the time was, from 2 "Oooh look at the pretty!" trailers was "The main character is a prince named Noctis, he can summon swords!" and "This is an ARPG."  This is about as much as we knew of FF13 when it's first trailer was released, which was just "Meet the new main, she's a female Cloud with pink hair, and she has TIME POWERS!"

I think people are looking at me as trying to defend Nomura's actions as being good.  I'm not; I'm highlighting why they aren't "IotD" Material, more just "Ok, that's just silly."  Getting carried away happens, it happened to Nomura, everyone else in Square-enix talked him out of it, seemingly fairly fast at that, they moved on.  Also worth noting it's IGN stating "he had full intention of doing that!", and it's not an actual quote by Nomura, so they could be blowing it out of proportion, but whatever, that's minor. 

Also, this article is apparently made in June, shortly after the E3 Trailer was made...dunno if that's relevant, but just pointing that out.


Tangentially, the KH3 thing?  Sounds like typical Square-enix being Square-enix with their "hey guys, let's announce a game that isn't coming out for a while yet, because hype!"  I mean, really, the FFv13 -> FF15 thing was big enough for E3 alone.  At least Nomura had the decency to admit it was probably too early, though really don't know whose decision that is.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on September 12, 2013, 11:36:06 PM
Also want a jarring mediocre RPG experience?  Have a game with a cool concept that isn't followed through with all the way raced on top of a standard RPG.

Pretty much this. You are pretty much literally wasting an idea to have a musical game and not build it into the core of the gameplay.

To be fair, it doesn't have to be a rhythm game. That's just the obvious one. A karaoke game would be another obvious pick.

Slapping a musical plot onto a bare bones standard RPG is gimmicky. It is a hook with literally no purpose besides "I felt like doing a musical." Build it into the core conceits of the game, though, and you have an interesting and cohesive experience. The ENTIRE GAME IS BASED AROUND MUSIC. Ignoring this with your battle system is seriously silly.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 13, 2013, 01:53:25 AM
I feel bad for the localization team that now has to try and come up with lyrics for every language they release the game in.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on September 13, 2013, 02:17:41 AM
Yeah. A localization of such a game would pretty much be doomed from the get go.
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Post by: Grefter on September 13, 2013, 03:17:08 AM
Not sure if know where to get translation of Le Miz (http://www.hdwallpapersart.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/24.jpg) in many languages.

Edit - That was all just for that joke, but being srs, that is why I think you could totally get away with doing Der Ring des Nibelungen since you just leave it as is and subtitle like a mofo.

Nichest of niche, but so it goes.
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Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 13, 2013, 05:08:24 AM
If you're going niche you can probably get away with subtitles.  You're not going to make AAA money with Japanese-only audio, though.
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Post by: Grefter on September 13, 2013, 05:27:03 AM
One would hope a Ring Cycle game would be in German.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 13, 2013, 05:38:44 AM
The last time I remember that Japan did the Ring Cycle it was decidedly not in German.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cmdr_King on September 13, 2013, 06:17:04 AM
Japan being japan, Final Fantasy: The Musical might well be in english to start with.

Andrew: Gameplay is merely one aspect of video games as a medium.  In the same way that editing, camera angles, and set design are not always the best tools to tell a story otherwise suited to cinema, sometimes gameplay will not significantly impact the story of a game.  While you have to take care that it doesn't negatively impact the story, and is competent in its own right, otherwise if you have a story concept not meaningfully impacted by gameplay, it's to your detriment to try and force the issue.

But say you really wanted to for Final Fantasy: The Musical.  You can use the gameplay to enhance the work without having it revolve around the musical aspects of the game.  For example, you might choose a stage play aesthetic, and battles would have an element of choreography to compliment them.  Or have a sort of momentum mechanic in the flow of battles, with segmented music that can compliment the tone.  Perhaps take a page from Bastion's book, with a bit of musical narration for battles. 
The trouble is you're conflating "Musical RPG" with "Music Game".  A musical is just using song to convey narrative, and conveying narrative is sort of The Point in an RPG of this type, so blending the two isn't an inherently gimmicky move, just novel.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on September 13, 2013, 06:40:32 PM
Japan being japan, Final Fantasy: The Musical might well be in english to start with.

Andrew: Gameplay is merely one aspect of video games as a medium.  In the same way that editing, camera angles, and set design are not always the best tools to tell a story otherwise suited to cinema, sometimes gameplay will not significantly impact the story of a game.  While you have to take care that it doesn't negatively impact the story, and is competent in its own right, otherwise if you have a story concept not meaningfully impacted by gameplay, it's to your detriment to try and force the issue.

But say you really wanted to for Final Fantasy: The Musical.  You can use the gameplay to enhance the work without having it revolve around the musical aspects of the game.  For example, you might choose a stage play aesthetic, and battles would have an element of choreography to compliment them.  Or have a sort of momentum mechanic in the flow of battles, with segmented music that can compliment the tone.  Perhaps take a page from Bastion's book, with a bit of musical narration for battles. 
The trouble is you're conflating "Musical RPG" with "Music Game".  A musical is just using song to convey narrative, and conveying narrative is sort of The Point in an RPG of this type, so blending the two isn't an inherently gimmicky move, just novel.

Strictly speaking, you could make a movie that is one big, silent text scroll. That doesn't mean it isn't (in general, before someone points out an art project that did just this) completely wasting the medium. If you have a story concept that you can't meaningfully impact with gameplay, then there is something to be said for the fact that you might be working in the wrong medium.

This isn't to say you CAN'T do that and have a project that turns out well. You can. I'm simply saying that if you leave the elements disconnected, there're decent odds that another medium might well be a more fitting home for what you're trying to do.

And yes, you can do a lot of aesthetic things to tie it together better. You could probably make a perfectly decent game by mashing musical plot and bog standard jRPG gameplay together. But you're still wasting a serious opportunity to really tie the entire game around a central idea.

I'm still not really sure where the issue with combining music/rhythm game based gameplay is coming from here. I mean, yeah, I Dreamed a Dream isn't a great rhythm game track.

It also isn't a good battle theme.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Cmdr_King on September 13, 2013, 07:14:00 PM
Because at that point you're asking the bulk of the music to be a) good lyrically, b) good musically, c) convey narrative intelligibly, d) be a good battle theme, and e) sync with rhythm controls in an achievable way.  You're placing so many restrictions on the music you run serious risk of repetition.  As well, parts of the qualifications are contradictory; you're asking the player to both actively input in time with the rhythm and grasp both narrative and poetic meaning from the song.  In essence, asking someone to play a song they're hearing for the first time.
It could work, but you're significantly decreasing the chances it will.

Otherwise we've had this discussion.  Gameplay is not the sole narrative advantage of video games, and gameplay does not have to 'tell' the story to be an effective narrative tool.  You disagree, we've long since reached impasse. 
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Post by: superaielman on September 13, 2013, 07:18:25 PM
Gods above, shut up about FF15 or take it to another topic please.
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Post by: Grefter on September 13, 2013, 10:02:37 PM
At this point it is just general game design theory stuff.  I don't think you need to have a narrative driven piece for combat or even have interaction with the music directly drive the combat to tie music in to it thematically (something like what thy do with Bit Trip Runner could work where what you do impacts the music).

For the topic, here we go ripped straight from the front page of gamefaqs http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/634491-grand-theft-auto-v/67232890
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Post by: Captain K. on September 14, 2013, 01:13:27 AM
I don't know that that qualifies as IotD.  There was some actual sensible discussion in that topic.  By Gamefaqs standards anyway.
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Post by: superaielman on September 14, 2013, 04:30:40 AM
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2013/08/private_school_vs_public_school_only_bad_people_send_their_kids_to_private.html

It's now time for an incredible pile of shit. This article pisses me off immensely. Let's count the ways it goes wrong:

1.  Starts the article by admitting to having no knowledge or research done on the subject, and states a bold opinion. Oh boy.  Accusing everyone who sends their children to private schools of being morally bankrupt? Well, that's incredibly dumb and a really broad statement to boot.

2. Where she says that you shouldn't care if your kids get a bad education. *what the fuck?* She doesn't support this with research or facts, but with a really vague appeal to the 'common good'. This argument and idiotic lines of thought like this lead to forced busing, which helped to create a massive amount of white and income flight out of US cities. Talk about not knowing your history.

3.  Dismissing the need for special schools for any reason. I had a close friend who would not have graduated high school if he couldn't have gone to a special private school just for LD students. The way she waives that off is astoundingly arrogant. Dismissing private school for religious reasons is also incredibly bad form. Sorry that some people have some values they want to pass onto their children.

4.  Something she doesn't touch on at all in the article: Safety/mental well being. Clearly the author had no problems with either bullying or violence in her school. Going to a school with a (somewhat minor) gang violence problem *sucked*, and I would not wish that on anyone. It speaks to the author's biases and her own educational background that she doesn't even consider this.

5. She makes a really generalized appeal about how schools are for learning outside the classroom!!! Wonderful.  She ignores that US schools are *still* pretty segregated by SES (and race). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/american-schools-still-he_n_1901583.html (Not an academic source but works for this).  Odds are pretty good that anyone going to a public school outside of a large city is going to receive a pretty homogenous experience.

The author does an extremely poor job constructing her argument, strawmans like crazy and wraps it up with a smug line about listening to liberal guilt. How about you fuck off and I ignore this blather instead? Thanks.
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Post by: Lady Door on September 14, 2013, 05:16:36 AM
Eh, it sounds like she had a half-decent thought and took it way past the extreme. It's true, public schools would get better if involved parents would spend their money and energy making them so, and nothing motivates a rich parent like their own child being the receiving end of poor investments and disinterested teachers.

Doesn't mean they're "morally bankrupt" (WTF) or bad people. But it's Slate, so I figure the sensationalism was most of the point of publishing the article.
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Post by: Fenrir on September 14, 2013, 06:03:29 AM
French Slate is actually one of my very favourite sites and I've been terribly disappointed each time I've tried the American one "because come on it can't be that bad because this should basically be the same site". Every time I'm disappointed.
Looks like they just bought the classy color and title, and changed everything else including layout.
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Post by: Meiousei on September 14, 2013, 08:34:43 AM
I recall going to a Catholic private school briefly from Kindergarten to 2nd grade. My family could "scarcely" afford it (it's why I got pulled out in 2nd grade), but they wanted the best for me. That being sad...I disagree with the author on many MANY things said, but one point stuck out the most.

The 7th paragraph discusses how bad her high school was: how she didn't have to read but one book, how there was no AP classes. Guess what? We had LOTS of books. I was in an AP English class. And this was in NORMAL high school. (Mind you I also lived in an middle class area that had SOME rich and SOME poor areas, but that's besides the point). I feel the writer has ENVY, HATRED for the children who are getting an education from private schools because she feels she was failed when she was in school and anyone that does send their child to a private school is a person that should be utterly hated.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 14, 2013, 06:26:21 PM
French Slate is actually one of my very favourite sites and I've been terribly disappointed each time I've tried the American one "because come on it can't be that bad because this should basically be the same site". Every time I'm disappointed.
Looks like they just bought the classy color and title, and changed everything else including layout.

American Slate has some good things going - their legal coverage is top notch.  There's also just a good chunk of detritus to sift through.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on September 15, 2013, 02:52:27 AM
http://www.catholicregister.org/news/canada/item/16778-pq-‘idealogues’-behind-charter-of-quebec-values

Quebec wants to flip off English speaking Canada by... stripping rights from religious people? 'Kay.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 16, 2013, 06:00:53 AM
If you ever compile a list of things that suck about Canada, Parti Quebecois are exhibit #1 period end of story.
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Post by: Hunter Sopko on September 16, 2013, 07:46:19 AM
Over Bryan Adams, the Toronto Maple Leafs, flapping heads, and being nice to people?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 16, 2013, 08:23:44 PM
Over Bryan Adams, the Toronto Maple Leafs, flapping heads, and being nice to people?

Without the Toronto Maple Leafs there would be no Tears of Toronto Maple Leafs Fans and without them Gary Bettman would shrivel up and die, so...good point.
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Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 17, 2013, 12:45:03 AM
How does Nickleback not make that list?
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Post by: Tide on September 17, 2013, 01:42:10 AM
If you ever compile a list of things that suck about Canada, Parti Quebecois are exhibit #1 period end of story.

Parti Quebecois is like a bad running joke. I think at this point, even they may realize it, so they are just going out of the way to do everything stupid that they can. Because why not.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Hunter Sopko on September 17, 2013, 01:46:34 AM
How does Nickleback not make that list?

What's a Nickleback?
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Post by: DjinnAndTonic on September 17, 2013, 09:16:25 AM
Clearly: a five-cent return on some investment. In other words, functionally worthless!
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Post by: Sierra on September 17, 2013, 08:43:11 PM
How does Nickleback not make that list?

What's a Nickleback?

Shut the fuck up, Donny.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on September 18, 2013, 01:21:22 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybinswanger/2013/09/17/give-back-yes-its-time-for-the-99-to-give-back-to-the-1/

I feel my gray matter seeping out of my ears. Is this satire? Did a 13 year old hack their website?
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Post by: Grefter on September 18, 2013, 02:57:10 AM
Trickle down economics totally work.  You just have to make sure the people at the top love you and the only way you can get love is to give them things.  Give them your money so they love you and give you back your money.  Make trickle down work by pissing up stream.  totes legit sane thing.
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Post by: superaielman on September 18, 2013, 03:00:45 AM
Ayn Rand fan. Why am I not surprised?
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Post by: AndrewRogue on September 18, 2013, 04:21:13 AM
So Ash and i did some research and back reading.

He is actually a protege of Ayn Rand.
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Post by: NotMiki on September 18, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
I got to "all proper human interactions are win-win" before giving up on the article.  Being Randian is one thing; being hopelessly naive is quite another.
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Post by: AndrewRogue on September 18, 2013, 06:33:09 PM
Speaking of, it struck me that's what really bothers me about Randian stuff. It is very... indoctrinated? They worship the idea of the capitalist/inventor/whatever way more than the other side demonizes it.
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Post by: Fenrir on September 18, 2013, 07:53:10 PM
I've just spent days doing SERIOUS Yattaf roleplay
And yet here I find a guy who's even prouder to be lawful evil

That naivety can't possibly be genuine


He likes to post in the comments too:

"Altruism, the moral code of self-sacrifice, damns the productive for being productive. Altruism are instructed to renounce, surrender, accept suffering as our inevitable lot. I can see where that idea would have had appeal (as wrong as it is) in the Dark Ages, but today, when we are contemplating missions to Mars?!"
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Post by: Sierra on September 18, 2013, 08:51:18 PM
Speaking of, it struck me that's what really bothers me about Randian stuff. It is very... indoctrinated? They worship the idea of the capitalist/inventor/whatever way more than the other side demonizes it.

It's a cult of sociopathy. Logic does not apply, only the allure of a "philosophy" that claims to justify the adherent's atavistic impulses.

Any person that references Ayn Rand in any positive sense can safely be set to Ignore.
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Post by: SnowFire on September 19, 2013, 12:02:08 AM
Speaking of, it struck me that's what really bothers me about Randian stuff. It is very... indoctrinated? They worship the idea of the capitalist/inventor/whatever way more than the other side demonizes it.

It's a cult of sociopathy. Logic does not apply, only the allure of a "philosophy" that claims to justify the adherent's atavistic impulses.

Any person that references Ayn Rand in any positive sense can safely be set to Ignore.

I enjoy reading Ayn Rand's columns she wrote in the 1970s.  She is an Internet ranter before the Internet, writing short, pithy, punchy, and unfair essays criticizing stuff she doesn't like and usually misrepresenting it.

I think Rand's thoughts on abortion are pretty spot-on, and I actually prefer to use libertarian arguments as the basis for a pro-choice position (rather than some rather uncomfortable alternatives).

Ayn Rand's "novel" writing is fun to criticize!

I find the split in Ayn Rand's followers between the ARI and the other Objectivist sets to be both amusing and useful, where it turns out you can build a cult that requires 100% obedience even around a philosophy theoretically based around free-thinking, idealism, and logic.
--

I await the Cideon's ignoral.
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Post by: Dhyerwolf on September 19, 2013, 12:14:13 AM
I watched the big budget "Atlas Shrugged Part 1" like a month ago, and it was amazing for anyone who wants to revel on how idiotic it comes across when acted out.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on September 19, 2013, 12:38:23 AM
You could read it out loud for same effect.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 19, 2013, 12:50:19 AM
"Altruism, the moral code of self-sacrifice, damns the productive for being productive. Altruism are instructed to renounce, surrender, accept suffering as our inevitable lot. I can see where that idea would have had appeal (as wrong as it is) in the Dark Ages, but today, when we are contemplating missions to Mars?!"

The naivate comes from the unfounded idea that productivity is in itself some sort of ultimate good.  Um, no.  Hitler was good at genocide, but that is generally considered a bad thing.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on September 19, 2013, 01:55:01 AM
Idle hands do the devil's work Jim.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Dhyerwolf on September 19, 2013, 04:37:01 AM
You could read it out loud for same effect.

I was masochistic enough to watch the movie, but nowhere near enough to touch the book.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Sierra on September 19, 2013, 09:06:57 PM
Speaking of, it struck me that's what really bothers me about Randian stuff. It is very... indoctrinated? They worship the idea of the capitalist/inventor/whatever way more than the other side demonizes it.

It's a cult of sociopathy. Logic does not apply, only the allure of a "philosophy" that claims to justify the adherent's atavistic impulses.

Any person that references Ayn Rand in any positive sense can safely be set to Ignore.

I enjoy reading Ayn Rand's columns she wrote in the 1970s.  She is an Internet ranter before the Internet, writing short, pithy, punchy, and unfair essays criticizing stuff she doesn't like and usually misrepresenting it.

I think Rand's thoughts on abortion are pretty spot-on, and I actually prefer to use libertarian arguments as the basis for a pro-choice position (rather than some rather uncomfortable alternatives).

Ayn Rand's "novel" writing is fun to criticize!

I find the split in Ayn Rand's followers between the ARI and the other Objectivist sets to be both amusing and useful, where it turns out you can build a cult that requires 100% obedience even around a philosophy theoretically based around free-thinking, idealism, and logic.
--

I await the Cideon's ignoral.

Since it sounds like your approval is 90% predicated on unintentional comedy value, I am willing to concede the fact of your continued existence.

The latter point consistently amazes me, hype for individuality paired with slavish obedience to a charismatic ideologue. How do these ideas coexist in the same brain? I do not comprehend. I guess you can take the Russian out of the autocracy but you just can't take the autocracy out of the Russian.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: SnowFire on September 20, 2013, 01:46:37 AM
Those essays can be some good stuff.  I recommend you check 'em out as well.  At her best, reading 70s essay writer Rand is like reading Justice Scalia's opinions, where she whips out her poison pen and does a fine job at making the other side look stupid (if you knew nothing about them and thought that Rand's impressions of their beliefs was not a straw man).  At her worst, it's amusing to marvel at her logic, as she in dead seriousness will cite her novels as proof of her position.  (Look, missy, I realize that when you're the author, you can make the collectivists the bad guys and the individualist industrialists the good guys sustaining the world from collapse.  Some Marxist can easily go write a novel where it's the reverse, and I can go write a novel that implies that all garbage collectors are part of an insidious cult to enslave humanity.  It doesn't prove we should start arresting garbage collectors.)

I've chatted with ARI members before, and their position is basically "Well, Objectivism is Ayn Rand's philosophy.  She owns it.  If you disagree with her about anything, that's fine, but call what you believe something else, it's not Objectivism.  What's the problem here?"  There's something to it - there certainly exist bizarro cults that claim to be part of Christianity / Islam / etc. that appear to have very little to do with the main beliefs of said religions, and it's questionable if they should be given that designation - but the level of "No, change is bad, Rand gave us the ONE TRUE REVELATION OF RATIONALITY" leads to some rather awkward positions that seem quite dated by 2013 standards.  On the bright side, the feuding between ARI / other Objectivists whom the ARI considers apostates and not really objectivists / vanilla Libertarians is kind of amusing, and I actually wish there was more such feuding on the far right.  The far left is always totally riven by pointless internal debates about whether the Trotskyist diaclectic is inevitable enough or if bourgeois socialism is an acceptable stepping stone to communism or whatever, it'd be nice if the far right types all hated each other as well and argued about whether it'll be Chinese pilots or Vietnamese pilots in the UN black helicopters to take over America.

Since we've descended into "Idiot Movie of the Day," to switch gears from Rand a bit, I highly recommend everyone here watch "Left Behind 2" and "Left Behind 3."  They are quality cinematic entertainment, I've totally watched 'em 3 times.  Watch the UN's nefarious plan to stick cheap CGI green poison into the Bibles, and you won't believe the stunning countermeasure available.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 20, 2013, 03:47:45 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/19/orson_scott_cards_unconscionable_defense_of_genocide/

I'm just going to leave this here.  Don't have much to say about it other than, no, that's stupid.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on September 20, 2013, 04:01:18 PM
I can't decide whether I'm happy that this article isn't about Card saying something new and stupid, or annoyed at how stupid the article itself is.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 20, 2013, 09:21:40 PM
Yeah, I had more or less that same reaction:

"Oh god what now...wait...wait...what?  No, no, no."
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on September 21, 2013, 12:13:38 AM
I do t know if you guys are aware that everything in a novel that a character is factual and reflects the artists personal beliefs.  Most of all it is always completely literal what it says on the page.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on September 21, 2013, 01:03:16 AM
I would say that novels like Ender's Game...advocate for a lens through which to see the world.  I don't have a problem with imputing the base assumptions of a book on the author.  It's just that this particular analysis is completely, incomprehensibly wrong.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: SnowFire on September 21, 2013, 02:39:13 AM
Going back to Rand, I am vaguely amused that Mark Rosewater of Magic: The Gathering fame of all people ended up getting told the same thing Fenrir said above.

http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/61744071355/what-color-do-you-think-ayn-rand-was
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/61772386306/so-it-seems-i-cant-comment-until-ive-followed-you
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on September 21, 2013, 03:59:05 PM
Hahah yep.




Not related but I've just learnt about the "Legends Football League". (Formerly known as Lingerie Football League)
... Really? How does this exist?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 21, 2013, 11:51:10 PM
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,6233.msg159698.html#msg159698 (http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,6233.msg159698.html#msg159698)

A guy is surprised that a combination of girls and their underwear and football exists.  I am awaiting the time he learns that a guy combined driving a car and getting a blowjob.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on September 22, 2013, 01:34:16 AM
That's a pretty shitty combination though. Like hot dogs and skydiving.
1) You get bored of the girls really quickly and certainly don't exactly want to go back to see it more than like one time a year. (Or so I assumed)
2) I doubt this is high level play. So the sport part's probably pretty boring.

I assume no one is really serious about this and the girls playing this view themselves as very slightly higher on the respectability scale than porn actresses. Then the actual football part must be really really bad (Fuck if I know anything about american football though)

If they're all actually serious about this (Girls playing in lingerie being a serious alternative to boys playing in normal clothes), then the whole thing just seems too shameful to still be acceptable on TV nowadays.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on September 22, 2013, 02:05:45 AM
The underwear is just a gimmick to get male fans to watch, which is really offensive/dumb. American Football is really not a sport that translates well with women. (Think Rugby but more violent and with bigger guys).
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on September 22, 2013, 02:35:53 AM
Not going to bother with comparative levels of violence.

Instead, pillow fighting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaD_Tbff10s

Edit - Not as IotD but as example of above combinations done kind of right.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on September 22, 2013, 03:28:35 AM
>too shameful to be on TV

Lolwut?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Captain K. on September 22, 2013, 04:13:55 AM
The pillow fighting was pretty awesome.  The outfits weren't titillating, and it was full contact - as long as your hits go through the pillow.  Basically like wearing a giant boxing glove.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on September 22, 2013, 04:34:14 PM
I need to overexplain everything :(

There is obviously a lot of terribly shameful shit on TV (Like the entire horror porn genre), but this is different.
It's not just a random regular extremely misogynistic movie, but an extremely misogynistic institution, totally upfront about its misogynistic nature while presenting itself as serious. Like congresswomen needing to wear bikinis.
Being surprised from this existing is just culture shock (Europe vs USA) from my part, but the fact that it does is pretty terrible.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on September 24, 2013, 06:25:32 PM
http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/wsj_buries_the_lead_deep_on_ai.php

no no wait what

lynching is the as bad as getting mad about corporate bonuses of CEOs of companies that were too big to fail

nooo!
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on September 24, 2013, 10:44:46 PM
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/09/81357-student-suspended-playing-air-soft-gun-yard/

Get fucked, VA beach school district. Get fucked.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on September 25, 2013, 09:23:42 PM
I have heard of some overreacting to events (like some Eagle Scout candidate getting suspended for having a Knife in his car, a knife that wasn't even regulation length to be qualified as a "weapon" which the school charged him for), but that one might take the cake.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on October 01, 2013, 11:25:23 AM
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/093013-673142-eric-holthaus-gets-weepy-over-climate-change.htm

So many assholes on the net
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Lady Door on October 01, 2013, 09:24:06 PM
Regardless of one's stance on the issue, I have to wonder this:

Whether global warming is man-made or not, why are you willing -- sometimes even eager -- to contribute known toxins and excess gases to the environment in the first place?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on October 01, 2013, 09:51:50 PM
Because lol hippies r dum, as far as I can tell. With a splash of "God made the Earth just for us, so QED nothing we can do will destroy it, because that would be a dick move." You'd have to ask a theologian of some sort how to distinguish that argument from the problem of evil in general.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on October 01, 2013, 10:42:32 PM
See here I was just going to point to the URL.  new.investors.com says enough for me.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Lady Door on October 02, 2013, 01:44:17 AM
I wasn't even responding in particular to this piece. I hear it a lot from those conservative "friends" I keep on Facebook so I am constantly reminded that, no, there really are people like that. "LOL, see? GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM" and then go back to absolutely wrecking the environment with petrol-dependence and an utter unwillingness to associate themselves with hippie things like recycling or alternative fuels or solar power.

I suppose my inability to understand this is on par with the part where those same conservatives are plenty happy to let people starve rather than contribute a few dollars of their paychecks every year making sure that families without means can have basic food. The circulation of that screed covering "If I Were In Charge" I would demand the unemployed sell all their shit, live in a communal barracks, receive basic subsistence, be required to report for menial labor, etc. made me scratch my head wondering why they are so dead-set on punishing their fellow man instead of empowering everyone to excel.

There does seem to be a preponderance of destiny in the mix. We were given Earth and God said we'll have it forever, so it doesn't matter what I do. You are either smart enough or work hard enough to make ends meet or better, or you should starve. And so on.

:I
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on October 02, 2013, 05:59:49 AM
Yeah, I've had friends of friends like that.  People who would do things like refuse to use recycling because that was associated with Liberalism.

Like...look: there is an interesting debate to be had around recycling--some things we recycle are pretty efficient on rate of return, but a lot of things we recycle are pretty marginal and you could debate about whether it's worth recycling them.  HOWEVER, if your city already has a recycling program, why would you refuse to use it?
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Fenrir on October 02, 2013, 06:35:03 AM
They're used to their lifestyle and don't want to compromise so they indulge in it.
Starting recycling is starting feeling guilt for their actions.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on October 02, 2013, 07:14:41 AM
They're used to their lifestyle and don't want to compromise so they indulge in it.
Starting recycling is starting feeling guilt for their actions.

That would be logical, yes, but I feel like that's not the reason.  I feel like these people do such things just to take the opposite stance to "Liberals". 

It's kind of like when Obama got elected, and several conservatives were saying stuff like "I'm moving to Canada".  Taking such a stance doesn't make sense, given that Canada is more left-wing than America.  But democrats had said the same thing 8 years ago, and I feel like the more recent conservatives are just copying the other group and taking the opposite stance.

And I feel this is a byproduct of the current state of politics in America, where people try to create a dividing line on every issue, and every issue becomes an "us vs them" debate.  I've seen plenty of roommate ads with "republicans need not apply", and I'm sure equivalent "democrats need not apply" ads exist in more conservative regions.  Whereas the idea of refusing to be roommates over political affiliation in Canada sounds absurd to me.  When you look at interviews with people on presidential election trails, no matter which political party they're a part of, they seem to think the other candidate is evil, and that they need to save this country by getting their candidate elected.  (Which is far from the reality where it's actually not all that important who gets elected president, as they tend to have very similar policies).
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on October 09, 2013, 11:00:13 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gop-rep-somebody-needs-to-convince-me-why-we-need-to-raise-the-debt-ceiling

ow my brain
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Shale on October 10, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
If you click on a link with that headline you deserve your loss of brain function.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Grefter on October 14, 2013, 01:19:00 PM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/top-aide-believes-steve-lonegan-is-surging-because-of-cory-booker-s-strange-behavior
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on October 15, 2013, 03:35:52 AM
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/london-firefighters-dont-put-your-penis-toaster-8C11375653 The British empire has fallen far.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on October 18, 2013, 08:18:03 AM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/16/gop-politician-wants-concentration-camps-trans-people/
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: VySaika on October 18, 2013, 10:51:55 PM
"tragic misappropriation of trace elements"

From one of the comments under that, this might be my new favorite insult.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on October 21, 2013, 04:01:04 AM
http://deadspin.com/greg-schiano-tried-to-kick-a-buccaneers-hero-out-of-pra-1448815091


For non football fans: Greg Schiano is the head coach of an awful 0-6 team and probably leaked his star quarterback's private medical records to the media to discredit him. He's a real winner in every sense of the word.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meiousei on October 22, 2013, 03:49:56 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/thousands-get-health-insurance-cancellation-notices-8C11417913

Saw this on another forum and I just /facepalmed.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on October 22, 2013, 08:41:42 PM
Quote
Like other insurers, the Blue Shield letters let customers know they have to make a decision by Dec. 31 or they will automatically be enrolled in a recommended plan.

Wait, the law does that?  Good to know.  If that's the case, then cancellation is nowhere near as scary as it could be.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on October 22, 2013, 11:52:39 PM
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/10/22/motorcyclist-sought-state-police-for-reckless-driving-captured-randolph-parking-lot/kQ1t2yed0S5IplcgXwYjxN/story.html

Little early for a midlife crisis, dumbass.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Lady Door on October 23, 2013, 05:40:36 AM
Coach under investigation for bullying... because his team wins too much.

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Texas-dad-alleges-bullying-in-91-0-football-game-228864361.html
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on October 23, 2013, 04:57:15 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXRb5SfCIAA1oRb.png:large


That is the official twitter of the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: AndrewRogue on October 23, 2013, 08:38:09 PM
Coach under investigation for bullying... because his team wins too much.

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Texas-dad-alleges-bullying-in-91-0-football-game-228864361.html

I love this article. I really do.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on October 26, 2013, 08:17:53 PM
Coach under investigation for bullying... because his team wins too much.

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Texas-dad-alleges-bullying-in-91-0-football-game-228864361.html

I wouldn't say he's really "under investigation" in any serious way.  The thing is any time anyone files a report, the school district is required by law to investigate it no matter how stupid.  The only fault that he's at is that he didn't know there was a mercy rule in effect... then again, neither did the other team's coach.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: metroid composite on October 27, 2013, 05:57:20 AM
Coach under investigation for bullying... because his team wins too much.

http://www.komonews.com/news/national/Texas-dad-alleges-bullying-in-91-0-football-game-228864361.html

As someone who was bullied, sometimes violently.  And also someone who was on the receiving end of some pretty severe amateur sports losses (13-0 Ringette games).  ...I find this comparison exceptionally insulting.  Losing to a much stronger sports team is not bullying in any way shape or form, and to call it such really undermines campaigns against a very real problem (bullying).  Not that I've never seen bullying in a sports match before, but it comes more in the form of, say, singling out a player they don't like, and knocking him or her to the ground when the ref isn't looking.

But as far as losing to a much better sports team?  I've been on sports teams composed of 11-year-old girls who all took this situation much better than the parent from this article.  When an entire roster of 11-year-old girls put together cry about a loss less than you do, perhaps it's time to re-evaluate your behavior.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on October 27, 2013, 05:27:08 PM
We had a discussion about this in one of my grad school classes actually, and most people seem to agree the problem with the situation is less the situation itself and more what is going on in general.

The way society is, many children are being treated as "everyone can be special at everything!" and it leads to situations like the above where in a Sports Team wins by a huge amount and some people overreact.  Many of us, especially those who were in sports, all pretty much agreed "Sports is a good thing because it teaches you, in a competitive but still friendly environment, that things don't always go your way, losing happens, and sometimes it is big."  It where there is little at stake, and even children understand that much.  Yeah, losing is a bummer, but when they wake up the next morning, they've gotten over it (there are exceptions of course, but that's the case with everything.)


The problem is that the parents want "What is best" for the children, not realizing that making a fuss over the incident is way worse than shrugging and moving on.  If it happens once, it happens, everyone moves on.  And these were High Schoolers too; they are fully aware of this kind of stuff.  A loss sucks, but you get over it, and losing badly is one way that makes you go "we gotta get better."  Making a fuss about something like this is exactly the way you WON'T forget about it in a bad way, and attacking the wrong points.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on October 28, 2013, 01:22:50 AM
I take this more as an example of what happens when you set absolute, unalterable policies that remove any sort of discretionary power from people's hands.  Yes, I get that they want to make sure all claims are given proper attention, but when you set a policy as totally unflexible as this, you have to sink time and money from the school district budget into following procedure because they're legally prohibited from deeming a claim frivolous.  If I really wanted to bully people I'd file like fifty of these reports and then do all my shit while people are busy investigating everything.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: NotMiki on October 28, 2013, 04:31:58 PM
Didn't we discuss this at length just a couple months ago?

Anyway, I frame this issue as less about bullying per se and more about empathy and respect, to put it bluntly about not being a dick when you have the upper hand.  I'd use the term "good sportsmanship" because the issue is broader than that.  All that said, it's clear from the article that despite the score the coach was not kicking the other team while it was down.  And in any case this is high school, where teams are made up of volunteers who know what they are getting into, so a crushing victory is not as cruel as it would be at a younger level.

Regarding bullying, running up the score of a football game (at a younger age) for the express purpose of humiliating the other team doesn't quite rise to that level, but it's hardly neutral.  It teaches the winning team that humiliating peers because you have the power to do so is acceptable social behavior.  That's a lesson that could easily contribute to severe and personal bullying.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Dark Holy Elf on October 28, 2013, 10:05:07 PM
I personally disagree strongly with the idea that "running up the score" is a form of bullying or humiliation, and definitely agree with mc that is insulting to compare it to actual bullying. As long as the game is still going on, then both teams (or players, in individual competitions) should be playing to win, and the best way to make sure you win many games is to get as many points as possible, to ward off any attempt on the part of your opponent to come back. (Yes, you can play more defensively to try to reduce the chance of both you and your opponent scoring, in some games [not all], but even then it's an open question as to what the best strategy is to ensure victory, offensive or defensive play.)

(To be clear, I'm not saying the winning team/individual has a license to display bad sportsmanship. They shouldn't taunt; they shouldn't showboat; they should generally behave with class. But by all means, they can continue to play until the ending condition of the game is met, or until the other side concedes.)
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on October 28, 2013, 10:37:46 PM
I played in a basketball game that ended up being 78-10. It sucked but more in the "no one is getting anything out of this, why are we bothering with this boring charade" kind of way. I don't think we felt bullied.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on October 29, 2013, 12:23:55 AM
And that is a big part of why they have mercy rules, though neither coach knew about them. The other part is that the only thing worse than getting badly injured in a big game is getting badly injured when the outcome is already decided.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on October 30, 2013, 11:05:24 PM
http://globalnews.ca/news/932674/vancouver-company-hopes-to-kickstart-micro-home-revolution-with-25000-units/

i can't wait to buy one ya'll

ever heard of a trailer

ever heard of land value
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: VySaika on November 01, 2013, 02:41:32 AM
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131030/11223225071/rep-mike-rogers-angrily-defends-bathroom-spycam.shtml

Sage found this. I just raged at it hard enough to link it here.

Quote
"You can't have your privacy violated if you don't know your privacy is violated"

Fuck off and die. I don't care in which order.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Luther Lansfeld on November 08, 2013, 06:43:46 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=20815278&ref=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FogtYmHAoxs

Produce shitty products that cost 100 bucks? Blame the fatties.

P.S. WHO IS JOHN GALT on the bags from Luluemon. A true winner.
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: Meeplelard on November 08, 2013, 11:05:24 PM
Well, they say a bad artist blames his tools!

...though I'm not sure that's an apt analogy here as it's more a bad producer blaming it's consumers...
Title: Re: Idiot of the day 2013: Wishing that the Mayans were right.
Post by: superaielman on November 12, 2013, 03:10:14 PM
http://www.salon.com/2013/11/11/stop_thanking_the_troops_for_me_no_they_dont_protect_our_freedoms/


Mmm, this article could be interesting. A lot of what the NFL and pro sports does is silly (Camo hats NFL, really?) let's see-
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The corollary to the claim that our freedom exists only at the pleasure of the military, of course, is that the same military can revoke said freedom if it so desires. Indeed, as Hibbert so bluntly put it, “obviously we wouldn’t have freedom without them.” This widely held belief, that our freedom is bestowed on us by soldiers, has obvious implications for how the public views the military. One such implication of the ubiquity of this myth is that people will feel they owe boundless gratitude to the military as an institution and all the men and women who serve in it.

*flush*
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Post by: Shale on November 12, 2013, 04:16:21 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-christies-tea-party-problem/2013/11/11/a1ffaa9c-4b05-11e3-ac54-aa84301ced81_story.html

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Today's GOP is not racist, as Harry Belafonte alleged about the tea party, but it is deeply troubled — about the expansion of government, about immigration, about secularism, about the mainstreaming of what used to be the avant-garde. People with conventional views must repress a gag reflex when considering the mayor-elect of New York — a white man married to a black woman and with two biracial children. (Should I mention that Bill de Blasio's wife, Chirlane McCray, used to be a lesbian?) This family represents the cultural changes that have enveloped parts — but not all — of America. To cultural conservatives, this doesn't look like their country at all.

"I'm not saying I hate black people,  but if interracial marriages make you want to vomit, that's totally not racist! You're just 'conventional.' Also, bisexuals don't exist."
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Post by: Jo'ou Ranbu on November 12, 2013, 04:24:27 PM
wait what why
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Post by: Luther Lansfeld on November 12, 2013, 05:16:21 PM
Ahahaha. Yes, of course the Tea Party isn't racist. As if they don't used racially charged stereotypes to constantly demean the black community and Obama. And I guess the Confederate flag is just a symbol of their love for state's rights too.
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Post by: metroid composite on November 12, 2013, 09:25:36 PM
One of the hallmarks of discriminatory behavior: people who don't even realize they're doing something wrong.  Look at the number of rapists who believe their actions were justified, that the victim was asking for it, etc.

Although, my favourite instance happened to Ultimaterializer.  His boss's words in 2008:  "I'm not racist but I just don't want a nigger to be president."  (He totally got his boss fired for that--the conversation was caught on video).
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Post by: AndrewRogue on November 13, 2013, 12:44:14 AM
People be cray.
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Post by: Lady Door on November 13, 2013, 02:29:59 AM
Saying "I'm not X, but" is a pretty reliable sign that they are, in fact, X.
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Post by: Captain K. on November 13, 2013, 05:20:50 AM
I'm not sexy, but... oh nevermind I am.
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Post by: SnowFire on November 13, 2013, 05:43:44 PM
I'm not lying, but this statement is false.
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Post by: Lady Door on November 13, 2013, 06:13:29 PM
See? Never fails.
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Post by: superaielman on December 04, 2013, 01:35:22 AM
http://www.rochesterhomepage.net/story/coach-defends-students-arrested-at-bus-stop/d/story/Yc6H5TSM7USEttdWpshzIQ Good grief.
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Post by: Meiousei on December 10, 2013, 11:11:24 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/09/boyfriend-suicide-shopping_n_4414873.html I have no words. Just no words.
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Post by: PlasmaKappa on December 26, 2013, 04:26:39 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/47jdqtC.jpg)
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Post by: NotMiki on December 27, 2013, 08:19:40 PM
Thank god someone finally had the guts to stand up to the funscists (that would be "fun" + "fascists."  Works if you say it out loud.) who cram fun down our throats.
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Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on December 27, 2013, 11:44:20 PM
Someone on Tumblr asks Brian Michael Bendis on how to get around writer's block.  Bendis responds with

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this will sound harsh but you’re probably not a writer. writer’s writer every day. it’s ok, not everyone is. but if you consider yourself one, get off your ass and get back to work!! write about why you haven’t been writing . anything. just write.

It's the exact same advice that NaNoWriMo is based on ("give yourself permission to write badly").  It's not the most creative advice but he's write, just fucking write something.  If you've ever been interested in being a writer you've probably been told that a million times.  He said that a lot in the class he taught at Portland State last year.

Tumblr responds with this gem:
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..This post is ableist as fuck. Some weeks, I’m lucky if I can get myself in the shower at least once. But I’m expected to write EVERY DAY?! Apparently only neurotypicals are allowed to be writers.
Fuck that and fuck you.
 

How dare he suggest that if you want to be [verbal noun] you have to [do verb from which verbal noun derives].

If you want to see the whole thing it's here (http://brianmichaelbendis.tumblr.com/post/70737469091/what-advice-do-you-have-for-someone-that-has-had).

e: A lot of these kind of guys got mad because this doesn't count as writing.
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But make no mistake. I don’t write it on paper or in a word processor every day, but I have whole finished stories written in my head.
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Post by: superaielman on December 28, 2013, 12:18:43 AM
Breaking out the tumblr crowd for IotD? That's not fighting fair and we both know it, Rob.
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Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on December 28, 2013, 03:41:30 AM
Truly unfair fighting would be breaking out the "Thin Privilege" set.  For example:

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I went to a game over the weekend - the seats were clearly designed for an unrealistic maximum weight. The only way I could fit was to sit at the edge of the seat and sort of slide back, forcing my hips underneath the armrests. It was extremely uncomfortable. On one side of me was a little kid who didn’t seem bothered. On the other side was a girl who was NOT pleased that I was taking up a small portion of *her* seat and loudly discussing how sweaty I was (it was 85+ degrees) with her friends. One of them sympathized that it must be gross, having me pressed up against her.

I got up to get some food (omg a fat person eating alert!) and when I came back, I discovered that one of the vendors had given the girl a piece of cardboard to put in between herself and the armrest. With this cardboard in place, I discovered that I could not fit in the seat. It was impossible. I asked her to remove the cardboard. She said no. I got a security guard. He looked at the situation and said he couldn’t do anything, the cardboard was on her side of the seat only, so she was entitled to have it there if she wished.

I left in tears.
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Post by: Grefter on December 28, 2013, 04:03:51 AM
"The Tumblr crowd" in this case involving two big names in comics, one of whom is a long time published constantly working author (Ruckawriter is Greg Rucka of being fucking awesome fame).
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Post by: Shale on December 28, 2013, 05:37:38 AM
The "albeist" part is pretty fucking hilarious. Yes, you need to be able to write to be a writer. You also need legs (or at the very least hips and thighs, per Oscar Pistorius) to be a runner.

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Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on December 28, 2013, 06:22:49 AM
The "albeist" part is pretty fucking hilarious. Yes, you need to be able to write to be a writer. You also need legs (or at the very least hips and thighs, per Oscar Pistorius) to be a runner.

The Internet has really fucked up this whole generation with its Hugbox Effect. 

"The Tumblr crowd" in this case involving two big names in comics, one of whom is a long time published constantly working author (Ruckawriter is Greg Rucka of being fucking awesome fame).

I wonder if anyone will give you any other answer for "how do you get over writer's block?"  Bill Watterson gives the same one in his 10th Anniversary book,  Nicholas Kristof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Kristof) gave me that when I interviewed him last month (#namedrop), Stephen King says "write something, bitches!" when you ask, and so on.
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Post by: Grefter on December 30, 2013, 12:54:57 AM
http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/11/20/daily-routines-writers/

Ran into this, related to discussion, definitely not IotD.
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Post by: Anthony Edward Stark on December 30, 2013, 03:34:29 AM
I think what it reminds me of, now that I think of it, is the "eSports should be treated like normal sports!" crowd.  They seem to think that if you put a particular label on people who do an activity they'll all be Aaron goddamn Rodgers and have people lining up to pay them 25m a year and can take six months off, but don't realize you have to actually do something people care about (like write something people pay money for and then it gets optioned into a movie franchise) before people don't tell you to watch Party Down next time you tell them you're "a writer."
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Post by: Grefter on December 31, 2013, 09:48:01 PM
Two links for same topic
http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2013/12/outrage-at-jfk-as-customs-men-smash-flutes.html
http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/2013/12/jfk-customs-destroyed-11-of-my-instruments.html

What in the actual fuck.
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Post by: superaielman on December 31, 2013, 10:21:46 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/technology/businessinsider/article/MSNBC-Host-Apologizes-To-Romney-Family-After-5104455.php

It takes a special stupid to say this about a baby, but well. Here we are.
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Post by: NotMiki on January 14, 2014, 02:51:52 AM
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/01/gop-donor-lobbies-lawmakers-write-law-lowering-his-child-support-payments

Very rich man lobbies Wisconsin legislator so he can try to impoverish his children.  The fact that there is a news article about it should tell you how well that is going.