The RPG Duelling League
Social Forums => Discussion => Topic started by: Dunefar on April 15, 2010, 06:20:28 PM
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Games and Rankings:
Final Fantasy 6 and Mana Khemia 2: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg104708.html#msg104708
Final Fantasy 10 and Mana Khemia: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg105837.html#msg105837
Chrono Trigger and Persona 4: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg107527.html#msg107527
Star Ocean 2 and Tales of Vesperia: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg114033.html#msg114033
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow, Wild ARMs: XF, and Team Fortress II: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg114640.html#msg114640
Shadow Hearts, Grandia III, and Cave Story: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg115431.html#msg115431
Final Fantasy 4, Soul Nomad, and Chip 'N Dale Rescue Rangers: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg115973.html#msg115973
Final Fantasy 5, Xenogears, and The Princess Bride: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg116485.html#msg116485
Wild ARMs 4, Legend of Legaia, and Mighty Morphing Power Rangers: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg117332.html#msg117332
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, Legaia 2, and Les Miserables: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg139729.html#msg139729
Radiant Historia, Tales of Phantasia, and Ducktales: http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,4823.msg140527.html#msg140527
Cthulhu Saves the World, Wild ARMs 3, and Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace:
Okay, most of us know the drill so I'm not gonna drag this out. In short: I put a list of characters out and you rate them from 0-10, using only whole numbers. No decimals, weird entries, computer talk or what have you. These make me a very sad counter who goes through his supply of Pepto-Bismol faster than usual. This is fundamentally a ranking of worth, how you determine this is up to you. Just be honest and don't vote too high or too low to 'make up' for votes you disagree with. Each session will have one classic game and one newer generation game to ensure a mix of old and new voters.
Feel free to do writein votes if you care to; if a writein gets more than 1/3rd of the vote I'll include into the final tally. Feel free to DNR as well; if a character gets DNRs for more than 1/3rd of the vote they'll be given a DNR.
Classic Game:
Final Fantasy 6
Terra
Locke
Edgar
Sabin
Shadow
Celes
Gau
Cyan
Setzer
Mog
Strago
Relm
Gogo
Umaro
Banon
Gestahl
Kefka
Leo
New game:
Mana Khemia 2
Raze
Lily
Whim
Et
Puniyo
Jiro
Kichi
Taro
Yun
Ulrika
Chloe
Goto
Pepperoni
Enna
Flay
Tony
Zeppel
Marta
Reicher
Sasalina
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Classic Game:
Final Fantasy 6
Terra: 6/10. I like her but I don't really like her, you know? She does what she needs to do as a character without really excelling.
Locke: 6/10. He's likable and works well for a dashing type for Celes to fall for.
Edgar: 7/10. The cockiness works, plus he gets a bonus point for a burrowing castle.
Sabin: 4/10. Bland.
Shadow: 8/10. Yes, he's a favorite from when I was 14, but he's stuck dammit. I can't defend this.
Celes: 7/10. In retrospect my opinion of Celes has steadily risen, mostly for the World of Ruin arc.
Gau: 0/10. Annoying, worthless gimmick character.
Cyan: 2/10. Not a fan and I found him generally useless.
Setzer: 5/10. Setzer was fun for what he was. Sorta reminds me a bit if Bruce Wayne never became Batman, but still knew how to kick ass as a playboy.
Mog: 2/10: Gimmick.
Strago: 3/10. Old. Joining a cult gets him a bonus point.
Relm: 2/10. Spunky.
Gogo: 2/10. Bonus.
Umaro: 2/10. Bonus.
Banon: 3/10. Gives a good speech or two then is gone with the wind. Oh well.
Gestahl: 3/10. He tries, he really tries, but he's overshadowed by his minions.
Kefka: 2/10. He does have a certain charm, but I mostly find him a passable foil for the good guys and intensely annoying by himself. Not the good sort of annoying that makes you want to smash him, but the bad sort that makes you want to stop playing. (As much as one ever wants to stop playing FF6)
Leo: 6/10. Works.
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Final Fantasy 6
Terra: 5/10. Characterized plot-device, I always felt. Stuff happens to her and around her. Gains almost all her points for WoR performance, as a result, where she was pretty cool.
Locke: 5/10. Introduces the humor early "It's TREASURE HUNTER!" yeah sure okay dude. Then... kinda exists, kinda doesn't, bounces around plot-wise but doesn't feel like he does all too much. His WoR plot is... interesting, at least, but kinda weird at the same time.
Edgar: 7/10. Pervert inventor king who knows how to piss Kefka off? Works.
Sabin: 6/10. Musclebound slightly (very slightly) dense brother, good characterization? Eh. Iunno, like him more than Locke/Terra, but less than Edgar. This works.
Shadow: 4/10. 3 points for Interceptor, one point for actually having plot tie-ins.
Celes: 7/10. Might bump to 8, thinking. Pretty much a cool player in the WoB interactions when she has them, and then the star of what centralized WoR plot there is. Yeah.
Gau: 6/10. Honestly probably pulled off the "wild kid" routine the best out of most games I've played.
Cyan: 4/10. I exist for VENGEANCE. Also as Gau's foil, and for an annoying as fuck set of dungeons.
Setzer: 4/10. I exist to give you two airships. Also, Darryl ;_;.
Mog: 5/10. I can't give Mog any lower. Sorry! >_> This is distinct fanboyism here, I'll be outvoted anyway~
Strago: 3/10. Relm's foil.
Relm: 4/10. Exists to mock old people and squid.
Gogo: 1/10. Is Adlai Stevenson.
Umaro: 1/10. Is Schuyler Colfax.
Banon: 2/10. Kinda doesn't exist for the importance he has in the first section. I blame Square's fangasming over the epic format.
Gestahl: 5/10. Kinda a jackass! Then dies.
Kefka: 8/10. Yeah, comfortable with this; I didn't find him annoying at all. He's an asshole, a villain, and he revels in it, and he pushes the plot forward this way; he has good lines, he's decently unique amongst villains in -managing to punk the world for a damn long while- and apparently just enjoying the spoils of his success.
Leo: 3/10. I am sympathetic blargh I am dead. Sorry, no.
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Classic Game:
Final Fantasy 6
Terra 6/10 She's okay I guess
Locke 5/10 Treasure hunter blah blah blah. Also he's mourning some dead broad that I don't care about.
Edgar 7/10 Decently funny
Sabin 5/10 Sure is a guy that does things!
Shadow 5/10 Ninja with mysterious past #44234
Celes 6/10 see Terra
Gau 5/10 Sure is a kid that does things!
Cyan 5/10 Thee thy thou thou whereforth
Setzer 5/10 Sure is a gambler that does things!
Mog 6/10 I give 'em a point for nabbing the Moogle Charm.
Strago 5/10 Sure is an old man who does things!
Relm 3/10 Shut up. Shut up. Shut up.
Gogo 5/10 Sure is a mime who does nothing!
Umaro 5/10 Sure is a yeti who does nothing!
Banon 5/10 Barely there.
Gestahl 4/10 Below average villain.
Kefka 8/10 Okay I like this guy, works well as a villain.
Leo 5/10 Not a bad archetype but his death scene fell completely flat and I barely cared.
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Final Fantasy 6
Terra- 6/10. I've always found Terra very likable, but the way her story is handled between the time skip has never satisfied me. I mean... every other character is doing stuff during the time skip that is generally in keeping with the character, where Terra's doing something very new and of obvious impact on her development. Not getting to see it, having her just go from "determined to find herself" to "can't bring herself to fight" offscreen is silly.
Locke- 8/10. Rocks. Might be inflating him a bit since the standards of the time and the game are lowish, but... nah, this feels right.
Edgar- 5/10. I wish they'd done more to integrate his three character traits into more of a whole, functioning character. Still, not without his amusing spots.
Sabin- 6/10. Good support character. Stable and predictable and gives other people something to bounce off of while being entertaining enough by himself.
Shadow- 4/10. Needed resolution. Just feels incomplete and wasted in the game as it exists.
Celes- 6/10. Alright. Suffers from writing quality (the dialogue never really made me feel "all hope is lost" from her) but not bad.
Gau- 3/10. Waste of space.
Cyan- 4/10. Does not work at all. The character as written makes sense at an intellectual level but isn't backed up by the dialogue at all.
Setzer- 4/10. Just kinda there.
Mog- 3/10. Yawn.
Strago- 5/10. meanwhile, when he gets sucked into a doomsday cult because the world ended and he thought everyone he knew and loved was dead, THAT I could buy. Otherwise, fuddy-duddy.
Relm- 6/10. Relm makes me smile.
Gogo- DNR.
Umaro- DNR.
Banon- .... eeehhhh. DNR. (3/10)
Gestahl- 3/10.
Kefka- 7/10.
Leo- 5/10.
Mana Khemia 2
Raze- 6/10. Straight man. Really damned good at it. Loses points for main plot being "angstangstANGSTIHATEYOUMANAS"
Lily- 8/10. Paragon of Unbalance.
Whim- 7/10. Whim can be annoying when she's being serious, but on the other hand there just isn't Lily without Whim, so I feel like her score should reflect that as well.
Et- 7/10. Makes me smile.
Puniyo- 6/10. I think elfboy said it best "My sister says she derives sick pleasure from this".
Jiro- 4/10.
Kichi- 5/10.
Taro- 5/10. I... y'know, I almost want to rate the Puni Bros. as one character, despite having clearly distinguishable traits, just because they and Puniyo are very much a unit. Eh, this way works.
Yun- 4/10. zzzz.
I haven't finished Ulrika's path but um... this is not a deep game. I feel pretty qualified here.
Ulrika- 5/10. drop on her head as a child.
Chloe- 6/10. Girl Lezard.
Goto- 1/10. Die ina fire.
Pepperoni- 4/10. Can be amusing, but too much Goto.
Enna- 5/10. Poor Enna.
Flay- 7/10. Is Flay. Needed more screentime.
Tony- 7/10. Is Tony. Needed more screentime.
Marta- 2/10. Needed to get owned harder.
Write-in! Zeppel- 5/10. Poor Zeppel.
Reicher- 3/10.
Sasalina- 4/10.
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Final Fantasy 6
Terra - Decent enough for what she was. 5/10.
Locke - I'll admit that I don't really care for characters whose plot revolves around moaning about their dead girlfriend (or boyfriend, as the case may be), but at least he was decent about not constantly gumming up dialouge with it, so yeah, decent enough for what he was. 5/10.
Edgar - Eh, could've been done better but not bad. Gets half a point for the burrowing castle except I can't do .5s. Fail. 4/10.
Sabin - Had a few moments but otherwise was there. 3/10.
Shadow - Was even less there. 2/10.
Celes - Came across as fairly solid. 6/10.
Gau - Gets a point for Mr. Thou. Otherwise, fuck off. 1/10.
Cyan - Gets half a point for HELPEST ME STOPPETH THIS INSANE CONTRAPTION or whatever the line was in the army camp except I can't do .5s. Otherwise blah blah honor blah blah failure. 2/10.
Setzer - Was fun, but otherwise there. 3/10.
Mog - Badass, but even less there, sadly. 2/10.
Strago - Herp derp I are Ugly Old Man. Joining a cult out of despair is worth a point I guess? 3/10.
Relm - Herp derp I are token loli. Owning Ultros gets her a point. 3/10.
Gogo - Mime/10
Umaro - Yeti/10
Banon - Needed to exist more. 3/10
Gestahl - Bleh, his worth as a character is about as much as it is for a villain, maybe even less, I dunno. 2/10
Kefka - Eats babies, sure, but works so much better than the standard herp derp I are ebil baby eating overlord at the end of the game FIGHT ME types that preceded him. As a character he gains an extra point for humor. 6/10.
Leo - Herp derp I are honorable adversary that is doomed to be betrayed. 2/10.
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Terra: 7/10. Terra's pretty well done, but hampered by her need to be the player's point of view character early on. Has self-doubt without being whiny about it. Unlike the other two main characters, doesn't fill a lot of different roles in the plot, though. Also, easy to identify with, because who hasn't at some point felt like they didn't react emotionally the way someone was "supposed to?"
Locke: 10/10. Uh, duh. Locke is a versatile character. Plays both a traditional and non-traditional hero role in the game, and has a personal plot that justifies his role in the group without ever having him get in to mandatory exposition mode, which I hate. And once again, another character who's easy to identify with. Lots of people try to cover up that they haven't gotten past someone, or worry that they won't be able to help someone important to them, no matter how much they want to save everyone.
Edgar: 8/10. Edgar is a pretty likable character. This is good because he is around quite a bit in the early going. And for a... let's call him "primary supporting" character like Edgar, that's all you really need. His relationship with his brother and his Bro also give him an air of normality that you wouldn't normally get with a mechanic king who lives in a submarine castle in the desert.
Sabin: 7/10. I like Sabin. He is quippy and interacts well with other characters.
Shadow: 8/10. Ah, Shadow. You're kind of a prick but I really like how the player has to piece together who you are rather than having it handed to you. Optional exposition! FF6, you were ahead of your time.
Celes: 10/10. Another very versatile character, Celes is alternately a foil, love interest, or main character, depending. She has most of the scenes people remember about the game, so bonus to her for that. Plus, I like how her personal interactions change. Early on she's a huge bitch because she doesn't know how else to be.
Gau: 5/10. Gets five points for that one scene with his dad and how you realized how totally fucked up it all was.
Cyan: 6/10. Man, Cyan, you are super-depressing. But that's what they were going for, so mission accomplished.
Setzer: 6/10. Setzer worked for what he was. He was kind of a skeptical dick at first, but I like how not everyone is automatically on board with you, and not everyone is BFFs from the start.
Mog: 1/10. I've always kind of wondered if they ever planned on doing anything with him. He seemed like a cut element that had the character itself left in.
Strago: 3/10. Old man gets depressed and joins a doomsday cult I can buy, I guess.
Relm: 2/10. +1 for interactions with Shadow.
Gogo: DNR.
Umaro: DNR.
Banon: DNR Seemed like another dropped plot thread to me. Just disappears.
Gestahl: 4/10. Really tries. I spent years thinking he had something to do with leading the party to the Phoenix Cave with his letter.
Kefka: 10/10. Kefka embodies the quality in villains I enjoy the most: exuberance. You know he doesn't need an alarm clock because he goes to work every day and really enjoys what he does, and that's something I really find entertaining.
Leo: 7/10. My only gripe is that he is just a LITTLE too nice. Instead of their "hey those Domans are also people," I would have had him say something like... "Remember that the army has a Code of Conduct in warfare we abide by. Do not allow Kefka to violate them, or we will be no better than the monsters they claim us to be." or something.
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Classic Game:
Final Fantasy 6
Terra: 6/10
Locke: 4/10
Edgar: 8/10 - Has a cape.
Sabin: 4/10
Shadow: 2/10
Celes: 7/10
Gau: 5/10 - Mr. Thou!
Cyan: 3/10
Setzer: 5/10
Mog: 4/10
Strago: 5/10
Relm: 7/10
Gogo: mime/10
Umaro: yeti/10
Banon: 5/10
Gestahl: 4/10
Kefka: 8/10 - Eight, he says! Do I look like an eighter to you?
Leo: 4/10
New game:
Mana Khemia 2
Raze: 7/10
Lily: 8/10
Whim: 9/10
Et: 6/10
Puniyo: 9/10 - Punii~
Jiro: 6/10
Kichi: 3/10
Taro: 4/10
Yun: 6/10
Ulrika: 7/10
Chloe: 7/10
Goto: 0/10
Pepperoni: 1/10
Enna: 2/10
Flay: 5/10
Tony: 7/10
Zeppel: 5/10
Marta: 1/10
Reicher: 7/10
Sasalina: 5/10
Lack of .5s makes this hard. Not enough precision.
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Final Fantasy 6
Terra - 7/10. I always liked her.
Locke - 5/10. Never a huge Locke fan, but he's no worse then average at least.
Edgar - 8/10. Yeah, Edgar hits the right notes with me.
Sabin - 7/10. Random fanboyism. Gate like martial artist characters, act shocked.
Shadow - 3/10. Two points from his optional stuff, one from the FC. Other then that, kinda lame.
Celes - 6/10. Never could put a finger on it, but I never liked her as much as I liked Terra. Still not bad, mind.
Gau - 5/10. Wildboy stuff was funny, but he was a little annoying at times and lacked any real presence. Average works.
Cyan - 4/10. Just kinda there.
Setzer - 4/10. Just kinda there.
Mog - 6/10. Random fanboyism.
Strago - 5/10. Old man who still isn't about to roll over and die yet gets him a point. Lacks presence otherwise.
Relm - 7/10. Can't explain why, but I like Realm. Part of it's the style, magical artist is cool.
Gogo - 1/10. Doesn't exist.
Umaro - 3/10. Gets owned by Mog which is amusing, but otherwise doesn't exist. Also gets a point for randomly showing up in doorways and cave mouths and stuff in Narshe before you can get him, which freaked me the hell out as a kid.
Banon - 2/10. Yeah, gets hyped up as important then stops existing. Lame.
Gestahl - 4/10. He tries, then gets hilariously owned by Kefka. It's a good scene, but those are Kefka's points, not his.
Kefka - 10/10. Kefka is the reason to play FF6, character wise. Just the right kind of irredeemable asshole villian. Gets points for basically winning, then kicking back and just doing his own thing. He's not sending consecutively stronger minions after you in the WoR, he doesn't give a rat's ass about you until you actually go after him. Also, creepy. Yeah, Kefka really sets the bar for one of my favorite villian types.
Leo - 5/10. Had potential, but it was wasted. Really needed more done with him. Rob's idea would have actually made him alot cooler, yes.
New game:
Mana Khemia 2
Haven't finished this yet, so not rating everyone. Anyone I don't rate is an Abstain, of course.
Raze - 7/10. I clicked with Raze pretty fast. He's cool.
Lily - 8/10. I normally hate her type. She's somehow funny as hell though.
Whim - 6/10. Meh on her own, but she sets Lily up for alot of her good stuff, so that's worth points.
Et - 3/10. I liked her more until she and Enna were in the same scenes. Abuse of younger siblings is one of the fastest ways to make me dislike a character.
Puniyo - 6/10. Cute and amusing. I apparently haven't seen her good stuff yet, though. Still not that far into Raze's path.
Jiro/Kichi/Taro - DNR. They're really part of Puniyo's character, I don't really agree with rating them seperately.
Yun - 5/10. So far, just there. That doesn't sound like it's going to change much.
Ulrika - 1/10. Feel free to discount this, as I haven't played her path at all. But from what you see of her in Raze's path? Yeah, she's completely unlikable.
Chloe
Goto
Pepperoni
Enna - 5/10. Poor kid. Kinda exists to be abused. I pity him, but that's still not a really likable trait. Average works.
Flay - 8/10. Is Flay and thus funny.
Tony - 6/10. Don't see as much of him in Raze's path probably, but what is there is good enough.
Zeppel - 4/10. Didn't mind him in MK1. He just seems to be a snivviling wuss now. Lame.
Marta
Reicher
Sasalina
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Terra - 4/10. Is there, does nothing major but nothing offensive.
Locke - 9/10. Yoshi likes thieves, says nothing. Extra point for ripping lungs out.
Edgar - 8/10. Yoshi likes manwhores, says nothing.
Sabin - 5/10. Fun character, but nothing special.
Shadow - 3/10. At least he's an original twist on the AAAANGST by actually having some backstory/dialogue regarding it?
Celes - 1/10. Wait she did stuff what? Yeah, I never cared for Celes ever.
Gau - 5/10. All of his points come from "Mr. Thou!" and "Shiny! Shiny shiny shiny shiny shiny!"
Cyan - 4/10. Works for what he is, as much as it's a character stereotype I hate.
Setzer - 7/10. "I've nothing to lose but my life, and I got that for free!" It's a shame they gave him the KH treatment.
Mog - 2/10. Exists.
Strago - 1/10. Ugh, burn in a fire.
Relm - 6/10. Likable young girl? Sure, I'll take it. Needed more screentime to be higher.
Gogo - 2/10. Exists.
Umaro - 1/10. Annoying for what little he exists.
Banon - 2/10. Exists.
Gestahl - 3/10. Generic evil Emperor. Doesn't really do much of interest, other than setting up for...
Kefka - 10/10. Yeah. Pretty much the perfect villain as far as they go, and an interesting character regardless. He's completely eccentric, -actually- insane unlike so many characters that just fail to pull it off, and a total dick. He's the character you love to hate, and a pretty perfect guideline for the insane villains in other games.
Leo - 7/10. I really like what they pulled with him, both at Doma and Thamasa, but he really needed more than just those two scenes. Think his only other section was on the boat, and he didn't do a damn thing. Shame, really, since he was a decent character for what little he was there for.
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Final Fantasy 6
Terra - 7/10
Locke - 7/10 - Oh man decimals so hard for poor little Ko here .5s killed my family
Edgar - 10/10 - Aw yeah
Sabin - 5/10
Shadow - 7/10
Celes - 8/10
Gau - 7/10
Cyan - 5/10
Setzer - 8/10
Mog - 8/10
Strago - 4/10
Relm - 4/10
Gogo - 2/10
Umaro - 6/10
Banon - 3/10
Gestahl - 5/10
Kefka - 8/10 - guys his name is totally cefca IN THE ORIGINAL JAPANESE
Leo - 6/10
New game:
Mana Khemia 2
Raze - 7/10 - Aw yeah straight man
Lily - 10/10 - Should've called it LILY path
Whim - 8/10
Et - 10/10
Puniyo - 7/10
Jiro
Kichi - Ko are you a puni
Taro
Yun - 3/10 - zzzz
Ulrika - 10/10 - Should be President
Chloe - 7/10
Goto - 4/10 - He was hyped up as this great failure but he makes all his material not funny (but not offensive either, just kind of there)
Pepperoni - 7/10
Enna - 6/10
Flay - 9/10
Tony - 7/10
Zeppel - 4/10
Marta - 5/10
Reicher - 8/10 - Oh man yaoi
Sasalina - 7/10
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Classic Game:
Final Fantasy 6
Terra - 10/10. Really sympathetic character. And she works as a strong lead for this kind of ensemble cast. I always remember thinking that it was pretty bold to have your central character shoot off into the sky in a flash of light leaving the rest of the cast the spotlight for a while. Her interactions with General Leo, Edgar, Kefka, and of course, Duane/Katarine always stood out in my mind. Presentation was generally superb, too, doing a lot fairly unique things for games at the time that hold up surprisingly well today.
Locke - 7/10. Above average. I feel his backstory is downplayed a bit more than most characters of his type, and that works really well for him. Really, he's a proto-Yuri in a lot of ways.
Edgar - 7/10. Good, could be higher. He's a really enjoyable character to watch, for all that he's not particularly deep. I always liked Sabin better, but the two play well together.
Sabin - 8/10. Needs more screentime. His early parts were always entertaining and I looked forward to them every time I replayed the game. It's a shame how he fades out of the story.
Shadow - 4/10. All four points are for his backstory presentation. I really don't like him much.
Celes - 9/10. A really fantastic character who goes through a lot of trials through the game that really made me care about her. When I was younger, I liked Celes more than Terra, though it's shifted somewhat the more I played through the game and my taste for angst dissipated.
Gau - 5/10. Somewhat amusing + that scene with his father is pretty visceral.
Cyan - 5/10. Depressing, but good at it.
Setzer - 6/10. Better than average. Enjoyable, but forgettable. Needed more screentime to make him great.
Mog - 5/10. Doesn't really do much, but inoffensive and has one or two funny lines.
Strago - 6/10. Has some funny lines and I particularly like the scene where he meets Shadow in Thamasa.
Relm - 7/10. Just really likeable and memorable. Even among 'standard loli trope', I always found Relm to be fun and not fanservice-y.
Gogo - 1/10. No. 'zOMG, I'm a MYSTARY'
Umaro - 2/10. No, but doesn't piss me off as much as Gogo's existence.
Banon - 4/10. Works for what he is, average. Loses a point for Lete River frustration.
Gestahl - 5/10. Feels somewhat standard as a villain, but he at least had clear, understandable goals, and worked as an excellent foil to Kefka.
Kefka - 10/10. I like him. A thousand-word essay on why I think he's great is probably unnecessary.
Leo - 6/10. Died well.
Mana Khemia 2:
Couldn't you have started with Mana Khemia 1? ;_;
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Mana Khemia two is immpossible for me to get hold of while I've only played like a 1/4 of FF6 even though I have it on this PC right here. Voting regardless on the guys I know I can vote on.
Final Fantasy 6
Shadow - 3/10 - Ninja with a mysterious past *Yawn*
Gau - 5/10 - Without him some parts would just have Cyan crying/raging.
Cyan - 6/10 - Saved by Gau somewhat.
Mog - 2/10 - Random animal that is kind. I haven't fully played the game but I doubt anything would change if I did.
Gogo - 1/10 - Is totally Leo in disguise. You know why those revive tricks didn't work for you? Because you had Leo in the party the whole time.
Umaro - 1/10 - Random.
Banon - 4/10 - Old Man who makes the hero see the path they want to take.... Nice twist that he fails but sadly he blinks out of existance. Hell I don't even remember how he vanishes.
Kefka - 9/10 - Good for his day. Helps that he wasn't A. Generic evil god/King or B. Good guy who turns evil for little reason.
Leo - 6/10 - Hate the character type but works and stands up to Kefka.
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Note: All this is viewed through the lens of nostalgia/placed within its time. For an SNES game it's damn good plot-wise, at least. So much so that I kind of don't want a remake because then I'll be forced to compare the game to more recent ones with better plots.
Final Fantasy 6
Terra - 8/10. Works for what she was, although she set an annoying precedent for amnesiac point of view characters. Grows out of it quickly, though.
Locke - 9/10. I rather liked his backstory and how it informs his actions early in the game.
Edgar - 7/10. Likeable.
Sabin - 6/10. Likeable.
Shadow - 5/10. On the one hand, Rob's right--optional exposition that doesn't even tell you the full story once you get it all? Nice, and works well with a MYSTARYIOS side character. On the other hand, the way you go about getting it is a little too obtuse and too random.
Celes - 9/10. Most memorable scene in the game, etc.
Gau - 4/10. Fucked up relationship with his dad. Also Mr. Thou!
Cyan - 5/10. Of the characters with backstory, his is the least interesting and it's still pretty damn good.
Setzer - 5/10. Okay well maybe Cyan's the second least interesting.
Mog - 2/10. Owns Umaro?
Strago - 3/10. Kinda there.
Relm - 4/10. More there than Strago.
Gogo - 1/10
Umaro - 1/10
Banon - 3/10. Sage/diplomat/rebel/not there most of the game. EDIT: Honestly would have been a lot more interesting if he was killed when the party's betrayed by the Emperor and the FC is raised.
Gestahl - 3/10 I was convinced he was an anthropomorphic dog for most of my childhood. When I realized he wasn't Dog Hitler he got a lot less interesting.
Kefka - 10/10. All style, no substance, and it works.
Leo - 4/10. Too similar to Cyan. Rob's idea WOULD have made him a lot more interesting.
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Ulrika - 1/10. Feel free to discount this, as I haven't played her path at all. But from what you see of her in Raze's path? Yeah, she's completely unlikable.
Raze is the same way. You don't see either character at their best when you're playing from the other's viewpoint. Personally, I liked Ulrika better because she actually wanted to participate in things and I didn't think she was so much angry as she was frustrated most of the time. Also, "And if that doesn't work we'll resort to violence...On second thought let's start with that!"
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I always felt that Banon being offed when Gestahl decided to stab the party in the back was implied, but it certainly could have stood be spelled out a bit more. Since really the only thing that implies it is that Edgar et al. escape, and don't bring Banon with them, and then you can never find him again.
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I always felt that Banon being offed when Gestahl decided to stab the party in the back was implied, but it certainly could have stood be spelled out a bit more. Since really the only thing that implies it is that Edgar et al. escape, and don't bring Banon with them, and then you can never find him again.
Pretty much agree with this. Though, since we "don't see the body", if FF6 gets a sequel or something (GOD FORBID), don't be shocked to see an asspull of "Banon lived cause we said so!" Before you say "Square isn't THAT stupid", I'll just say "Rufus" and "Advent Children" <_<
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Square isn't THAT stupid
Don't get me wrong, I like Square well enough... but why would anyone say this? Ever?
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Good question, but it can't hurt to make pre-emptive statements like that?
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Ulrika is really unlikable on Raze path, truth be told. Raze isn't sunshine and rainbows in Ulrika's path either - they only show their more interesting colors in their own paths.
Rating the one game whose characters I actually care about besides mechanics.
Mana Khemia 2
Raze - 7/10. Straight man! Manages to be both passive-aggressive, kind of a jerk and somehow not insane too. He's a very good bridge for the party, and worthwhile on his own. Loses a point for the dumb srsbsns plot, though.
Lily - 9/10. Objectively not worth a 9, but decimals aren't an option here. Regardless, she's one of the funniest female PCs ever. Made to keep the player off balance, runs the party through sheer force of will and is responsible for many of the best scenarios and scenes in the game. Glorious.
Whim - 5/10. Agree with CK, but she grated on me a lot more when she was serious while not being as amusing when she was being abused. She's the most effective vessel for Lily's unbalance, but there are four other vessels, three of which have more going for them.
Et - 8/10. She just makes me smile. I don't even give her flak for the brother abuse, because it's just loooooooove~ Also responsible for my second-favorite CQ in the entire game, so that's more credit. Such a complete ditz and so very fun.
Puniyo - 7/10. Puniyo is really, really funny. Being the borderline sadistic and devious link of the party gave her tons of moments to shine. The srsbsns plot drags her down, though. Excellent support character, sorta loses luster when she's the main attraction.
Jiro - 7/10. to all the Puni Bros. Feel like they're a collective entity, and they're also the other part of what makes Puniyo fun. They just fail to stand out separately.
Kichi - 7/10.
Taro - 7/10.
Yun - 4/10. zzzzzzz, gains one point for Corona trainwreck because I'm generous today.
Ulrika - 7/10. Yeah, she's a dumb yokel who's pretty goddamned full of herself. But it's fine: the game gives her the treatment she deserves, and she reacts accordingly. Also, "How can I live a life of decadent wealth now!?" just made me smile. So not your typical female lead, and works very well as the epicenter of the hilarious contempt spiral that engulfs her troupe.
Chloe - 7/10. Calling her Lezardarina feels like a bit of an insult. She's like the evil, logical extreme of Et replacing superstrength and epic ditziness with a cruel sense of humor and poorly disguised cartoonish sadism. It works.
Goto - 2/10. Man, this is such a botch. Goto had the potential to be funny, but his interaction with Pepperoni is just insanely embarrassing. The fact the game kinda glorifies his borderline rapist modus operandi? Also not cool. Also, ick at the Enna/Goto scene in his fourth CQ.
Pepperoni - 3/10. Not very fun except when being ruthlessly destroyed by Ulrika. When you factor in that the rest of the time involves him Ho Yaying with Goto... um yeah.
Enna - 4/10. Enna gets some great scenes. However, they're good not by his own merit, and, besides being a ladder, he offers... woobieness and being sorta whiny. Can't really give him that much credit. I don't mind him, but he's sort of low-end as far as MK2 PC cast goes.
Flay - 9/10. The logical extension (and extreme!) of MK1 Flay. This is absolutely brilliant, and Flay even gets plenty of screentime.
Tony - 7/10. Tony is even better in MK2 than he was in MK1... when he gets the screentime. A lot like Flay as a logical extension of his first appearance, but shines so far less.
Zeppel - 5/10. Man, what a wuss. >_>
Marta - 3/10. Really needed to get owned harder, and loses points for the irrelevance later on.
Reicher - 5/10. That's a poor archetype. But man, somehow, I find Reicher kinda entertaining in a weird way. I think it's just because calling him Pedo Vayne is funny.
Sasalina - 4/10. I've ranted about her before. Stereotypical, but had some fun interactions until plotz came in and stole her. The plot device shanghai works as a bridge, but it takes the luster out of Sally - and takes it early.
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"Advent Children"
'nuff said.
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Heads up: I'll be updating this on Monday most likely, so get your votes in over the weekend!
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Final Fantasy 6
Terra - 7/10. I could do without her "I want to love", but for most of the time I found her likable and she had some rather cool concepts.
Locke - 7/10. Likable, but misses some potential. I liked the scenes with Rachel in which you actually see her, but other scenes in which you don't see her, but Locke act a bit depressed due to what happened to her didn't do much for me. I found myself wishing for more situations like South Figaro where Locke is funny rather than serious.
Edgar - 6/10. He has a few good scenes, but that's it.
Sabin - 5/10. I found him rather bland for most of the time. Somewhat likable though.
Shadow - 4/10. I can't say I cared about him. His backstory is good, but it can't carry him. Often I found his dog more interesting than him.
Celes - 6/10. She does have a good number of meaningful scenes. I have a hard time actually liking her though and nothing about her really invoked much emotional response in me.
Gau - 4/10. Sometimes funny, other times annoying.
Cyan - 6/10. Did a good job with the depressing scene. I don't find tragedy sufficient to fill out a character though.
Setzer - 5/10. I have a hard time understanding his archetype. On the plus side, he does have a few good lines.
Mog - 4/10. A Mog. I think that covers most of it.
Strago - 5/10. Sometimes funny, but usually not.
Relm - 7/10. The most fun character and very likable. Unfortunately, also one of the least integral to the plot and lacks screentime which prevents a higher score.
Gogo - 3/10. Barely qualifies as a character.
Umaro - 3/10. Exists.
Banon - 4/10. Has only a few meaningful scenes and rapidly grows less and less significant until he stops existing at all. Feels more like a mission objective than a character.
Gestahl - 6/10. Nothing fancy about him (except maybe for his dog ears), but he worked for what he was.
Kefka - 8/10. It's nice with a villain who's for once just batshit insane instead of a personification of evil or some guy with a far-fetched justification. Also has a lot of style.
Leo - 6/10. He had one very good scene. Lacked screentime though.
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Final Fantasy 6
Terra- 7/10. Yeah, works.
Locke- 7/10. Worked as Terra's sort of mentor.
Edgar- 8/10. Had the best comic lines in the game and plenty of good, serious plot as well.
Sabin- 6/10. No complaints.
Shadow- 6/10. Plot's a little fragmentary, which hurts. He's still not bad.
Celes- 3/10. Do not want.
Gau- 2/10. Amusing at points, but mostly go away.
Cyan- 2/10- Didn't much care.
Setzer- 6/10.
Mog- 4/10. A few memorable moments but barely existed.
Strago- 3/10. Barely there.
Relm- 1/10. Obnoxious.
Gogo- DNR
Umaro- DNR
Banon- 3/10. He was hugely important!... for the first few hours, then he falls off the face of the earth after Terra leaves the party in Narshe. Gets played for a fool by Gestahl and killed for it.
Gestahl- 6/10. Very competent on the whole, minus badly misjudging Kefka.
Kefka- 2/10. Obnoxious.
Leo- 6/10. Worked, though could have used more screentime.
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Final Fantasy 6
Terra: 3. Opposite of most people, but I was not fond of WoR Terra at all.
Celes- 7. Most meaningful impact characterwise, even if not the most likable.
Gau- 2
Mog-2
Gestahl- This isn't a dog?! Lies! No rating.
Kefka- 8. So damn annoying, but that was purposeful. Evil and effective.
New game:
Mana Khemia 2
Raze- 4. Plot Raze is a 2-3. Non-plot Raze is 5-6. 4 works.
Lily- 10. Wins the game.
Whim- 6.
Et- 3. She gets better as the game goes, but she's...not far from braindead. Her parents could make great money selling her into a salt mine.
Puniyo- 8
Jiro- 6
Kichi- 6
Taro- 6
Yun- 2. Such deadweight. Looks a lot worse by being in the better cast.
Ulrika- 7. Works very well as Chloe-bait
Chloe- 8. Held back by being stuck in the worse cast.
Goto- 0. Hell no to pedophiles. His score is low enough as is, but someone who is like 40 sleeping with a bunch of teen girls?
Pepperoni- 4. 3 of these points are because even Ulrika can verbally skewer him.
Enna- 3. Bland
Flay- 7. Held back by screentime
Tony- 7.
Zeppel- 2. This is a worthless piece of flesh.
Marta- 2. In love with Goto=more points lost (Not like she had many to use).
Reicher- 4.
Sasalina- 4. Poor bitch.
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Final Fantasy 6
Terra: 6/10. Would be better if I didn't have so much annoyance recruiting her later.
Locke: 5/10. Inoffensive and at times amusing.
Edgar: 9/10. Hah.
Sabin: 6/10. Amusing.
Shadow: 3/10. lol
Celes: 8/10.
Gau: 2/10.
Cyan: 2/10
Setzer: 4/10. Doesn't have much.
Mog: 8/10. Slam dancing moogle.
Strago: 4/10
Relm: 4/10.
Gogo DNR
Umaro DNR
Banon: 3/10
Gestahl: 7/10. He's good at his role.
Kefka: 5/10. There are parts of him I find infuriating and parts I find awesome. Balances out to a boring score.
Leo: 5/10. This, on the other hand, is just a boring score.
New game:
Mana Khemia 2
Raze: 7/10. Whipping boy of the universe. Or just Lily.
Lily: 9/10. Wins.
Whim: 8/10. Also wins.
Et: 5/10. No real opinion.
Puniyo: 6/10. An evil child.
Jiro: 7/10
Kichi: 7/10
Taro: 7/10
Yun: 2/10.
Ulrika: 6/10. Pretty funny.
Chloe: 8/10.
Goto: 0/10
Pepperoni: 6/10
Enna: 2/10. Shut the fuck up you emo brat
Flay: 9/10. Mwahahaha~ I will unleash this GIANT MONSTER ON THE SCHOOL. GOOD LUCK! Flay as the VP is Godlike.
Tony: 6/10. Not bad.
Zeppel: 4/10. Such a sniffling shit compared to MK1.
Marta: 3/10. Meh.
Reicher: 5/10. Crazy Pedo-Vayne
Sasalina: no rating
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Final Fantasy 6
Terra - 8/10.
Locke - 7/10. I don't know why, but I just can't get too excited about Locke. Giving him 7 because he's objectively good, but I just don't feel it.
Edgar - 8/10. Tons of fun as a character. His scenes with his brother are great, he's got a tunneling castle, and he's a shameless lout, to boot.
Sabin - 6/10. All these points are for his scenes with his brother. He's pretty dull otherwise.
Shadow - 8/10. His method of recruitment, method by which you uncover his backstory, and the content of said backstory make him great fun all around. Plus, "Memento ring can be equipped by Relm and Shadow? Huh? Oh. Ooooooooh."
Celes - 8/10.
Gau - 6/10. I really enjoy Gau's backstory, and especially how happy he is to discover his father is alive, even though the fellow is hurtful and crazy.
Cyan - 8/10. Boring, but major, major points for his dream, possibly the conceptually coolest optional dungeon ever.
Setzer - 6/10. Just kinda there for the most part, which is a shame. Points for instigating the opera sequence.
Mog - 6/10. Also just kinda there, but since he's a moogle, I'll forgive him for it.
Strago - 5/10. Could have been done better.
Relm - 6/10. I find it really funny how the entire cast's hearts melt at the sight of her. The scene with Umaro is priceless.
Gogo - 3/10. Points for having a neat concept for a dungeon.
Umaro - 2/10. Really just there.
Banon - 2/10. Not at all as compelling as he should be based on his importance to the plot.
Gestahl - 2/10. I don't think Gestahl does a single interesting thing the entire game.
Kefka - 9/10. This is how you do crazy.
Leo - 5/10. Not very interesting, but he serves his role in the plot.
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I'm updating this tonight. Vote now or forever consign your opinions to the gaping maw of Xorntoro.
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Updating! I'm locking the topic as I do so.
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The update!
Classic Game:
Final Fantasy 6
Terra: 6.35, 17 votes.
Locke: 6.62, 16 votes.
Edgar: 7.31, 16 votes.
Sabin: 5.56, 16 votes.
Shadow: 4.64, 17 votes.
Celes: 6.70, 17 votes.
Gau: 4.00, 18 votes.
Cyan: 4.29, 17 votes.
Setzer: 5.18, 16 votes.
Mog: 4.00, 18 votes.
Strago: 3.93, 16 votes.
Relm: 4.60, 15 votes.
Gogo: 2.00, 11 votes, 4 DNR.
Umaro: 2.45, 11 votes, 4 DNR.
Banon: 3.20, 15 votes, 2 DNR.
Gestahl: 4.12, 16 votes.
Kefka: 7.38, 18 votes.
Leo: 5.00, 17 votes.
New game:
Mana Khemia 2
Raze: 6.42, 7 votes.
Lily: 8.85, 7 votes.
Whim: 7.00, 7 votes.
Et: 6.00, 7 votes.
Puniyo: 7.00, 7 votes.
Jiro: 6.00, 5 votes, 1 DNR.
Kichi: 5.60, 4 votes, 1 DNR.
Taro: 5.80, 4 votes, 1 DNR.
Yun: 3.71, 7 votes.
Ulrika: 6.14, 7 votes.
Chloe: 7.16, 6 votes.
Goto: 1.00, 6 votes.
Pepperoni: 4.16, 6 votes.
Enna: 3.85, 7 votes.
Flay: 7.71, 7 votes.
Tony: 6.71m 7 votes.
Zeppel: 4.14, 7 votes.
Marta: 2.66, 6 votes.
Reicher: 5.33, 6 votes.
Sasalina: 4.80, 5 votes.
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The top ten:
1.Lily: 8.85, 7 votes.
2.Flay: 7.71, 7 votes.
3.Kefka: 7.38, 18 votes.
4.Edgar: 7.31, 16 votes.
5.Chloe: 7.16, 6 votes.
6t.Whim: 7.00, 7 votes.
6t.Puniyo: 7.00, 7 votes.
8.Tony: 6.71m 7 votes.
9.Celes: 6.70, 17 votes.
10.Locke: 6.62, 16 votes.
The ten lowest:
1.Goto: 1.00, 6 votes.
2.Gogo: 2.00, 11 votes, 4 DNR.
3.Umaro: 2.45, 11 votes, 4 DNR.
4.Marta: 2.66, 6 votes.
5.Banon: 3.20, 15 votes, 2 DNR.
6.Yun: 3.71, 7 votes.
7.Enna: 3.85, 7 votes.
8.Strago: 3.93, 16 votes.
9t.Gau: 4.00, 18 votes.
9t.Mog: 4.00, 18 votes.
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Okay, okay, use .5s. I'll deal.
No huge surprises round 1, so let's get moving onwards! Oh wait, I forgot one valid FF6 character, so he'll get a slot here.
Make up exam:
FF6:
Ultros
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus
Yuna
Wakka
Lulu
Kimarhi
Auron
Rikku
Seymour
Sin/Jecht
Yunalesca
Mika
Braska
Kinoc
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne
Jessica
Nicole
Flay
Pamela
Roxis
Anna
Muppy
Zeppel
Tony
Renee
Isolde
Sulphur
Voting closes in roughly a week.
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Make up exam:
FF6:
Ultros: 0/10. Stupid, annoying, unfunny gimmick. The fact that he constantly shows up grates on my nerves every time I play FF6. Fuck him.
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus: 1/10. You know, I could stand Tidus for most of the game. He was an emo twit, but at least he had a good reason to be. His circumstances are intensely fucked up and he's dealing with a dystopic world and situation. Fair enough. Then, out of the blue, the boy's balls drop. He says it's his story? Oh fuck you, no no no no no no. It's not your story, fuck you for thinking it, you self absorbed piece of shit. That's your grand conclusion, an egotistical pile of wretched vanity? Go guzzle a gallon of bleach while listening to Linkin Park while updating your Livejournal about your mean old Dad.
If that wasn't clear: FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR ENTITLED ASS, TIDUS.
Yuna 5/10. Eh. I used to vaguely dislike her, then vaguely like her. After time she's settled into a pleasant apathy.
Wakka: 2/10. He gets a point for interesting religious conflict, but he's ultimately boring and irritating. Ya?
Lulu: 4/10. Not offensive but little else. Loses a point for her lightning dodging minigame plus belt overload.
Kimarhi: 3/10. The best straight man in the world isn't funny when the comedy around him sucks. That sorta what Kimarhi has to deal with. He's not terrible by himself but he rarely has much to work with.
Auron: 9/10. An interesting character that isn't annoying? A good backstory? Some signs of maturity!? I liked that he was Unsent and admired the sense of fanatical duty that let him finish up his affairs. As a side note, since he has HP and stats, as do other Unsent you fight, does that mean sufficient will to resist the Farplane can grant functional immortality in Spira? I think Seymour might've said something about this but I forget.
Rikku: 2/10. Like, like I'm Rikku, y'know?
Seymour: 2/10. Annoying. I could bitch here and whine, but that's really what it comes down to. He's not a good villain, just a time wasting wanker.
Sin/Jecht: 9/10. I'm not a huge fan of Jecht, but Sin has a damn strong presence throughout the game. He really sells the living force of disaster, bravo to FFX for getting that right.
Yunalesca: 2/10. Plot device with a gimmick battle. Sure, why not?
Mika: Don't remember.
Braska: 5/10. Average.
Kinoc: Don't remember.
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne: 6/10. I like Vayne, his quiet depression is well executed if boring. He's a wallflower and done in a believable enough way. In a way, I wanna congratulate MK for doing a somewhat untraditional hero in that regard.
Jessica: 7/10. Bite him, bite him, yeah! I like Jessica the same way you might like that sincere, sunny girl you share a class with. It's not deep, but she brightens your day.
Nicole: 3/10. Gimmick catgirl.
Flay: 2/10. I don't like Flay, he's the sort of character I find tiresome and overloud. Loud idiots bore me.
Pamela: 10/10. Scaaaaaaaaaaaaary. I really like Pamela and like that she isn't some overly saccarine girl, but instead a bit self centered. It works in the context of the game, though in a lot of others you'd want to strangle her.
Roxis: 7/10. A wanker but one who has well defined motivations. Bonus points for how his mana rips on him without mercy. He does become marginally less of a prick as the game goes on.
Anna: 3/10. Rawr, superpowers in cut scenes and a neat freak. Has some decent scenes but nothing stands out.
Muppy: 1/10. Gimmick.
Zeppel: 5/10. There.
Tony: 4/10. There and gets his ass kicked a lot.
Renee: 6/10. Renee's over all this shit, but she goes along with it because she (probably) has a crush on Tony. I respect that, someone going along with a crappy thing for someone else's sake.
Isolde: 4/10. Meh. No strong opinion.
Sulphur: DNR. Kitty.
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Make up exam:
FF6:
Ultros - Oh hey it's a plotless purple octopus who jams up your opera. Gets 5/10 for comedy.
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Ultros: 8.5/10. Hilarity. Never fails to bring a smile whenever he shows up.
FFX:
Tidus: 7.5/10. I like Tidus. I think he's a fairly believable, unromantic portrayal of someone thrown into a totally different, and rather scary world. (aside from him being a competent fighter anyway) He's a bit of an ass and I totally get why he annoys people, but overall he works, and his relationships with other characters (Yuna, Auron, and Wakka in particular) are well-done.
Yuna: 10/10. Yeah everyone saw this coming. She's dealt a bit of a shitty hand but handles it with such grace and determination, and the stuff later in the game is just kinda jaw-dropping. Probably a rare RPG character I outright admire. You can argue she's too perfect, but eh, I dunno, she's really shy and a bit dependent and fatalistic at first, but seeing the world and meeting Tidus makes her grow into something far more.
Wakka: 9/10. Badly needed for the game to work. The religious zealot being the game's overall most likable guy was intentionally jarring and highly unusual for a genre whose religious zealots are typically FFT/BoF2/Xenogears wackos or out to destroy the world. He develops and grows nicely, too.
Lulu: 5.5/10. Has a few catty lines that amuse me, but overall not too special.
Kimarhi: 4/10. Fine, but needed to actually do more, and his rivalry with Biran/Yenke sucked. His best scene is one he's not even on screen for! (Yuna's sphere)
Auron: 8/10. Man, I so often hate this archetype. But Auron is actually well-justified for what he does. He doesn't keep bullshit secrets unless necessary (dropping the Jecht/Sin bomb as early as he does was whoa), he's driven and has good backstory, and he's even funny.
Rikku: 5/10. I like her interaction with some characters (Wakka in particular) but she herself, meh.
Seymour: 6/10. I dunno. I like Seymour well enough, I think he succeds at being generally creepy, and I like how he's consigned to irrelevance by the end. But... needed more overall, relative to his ample screentime.
Sin/Jecht: 7.5/10. Not feeling uber levels of Jecht love today, but he's still pretty good. He's a pretty detestable person and subjectively I get seriously pissed off by the hypers of his who ignore this. But he IS damn well-developped and makes a great personal antagonist for Tidus.
Yunalesca: 4/10. Really like her role in the game's backstory which makes her an uber-bitch and her one scene is -cool-, although it's mostly not her. Still, yeah, needs more obviously for a real score.
Mika: 7/10. Crazy high priest. His final scene is just kinda haunting.
Braska: 5/10. Hard time caring.
Kinoc: 6/10. Douche.
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FF6:
Ultros: 8/10. Pretty amusing.
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus: 3.5/10. I dunno, I think at times he gets some fun character development, and then other times he fills me with seething rage.
Yuna: 6.5/10. Not bad. I find her a little dull sometimes, but she's good enough.
Wakka: 9/10. I like Wakka! I think he's a believable zealot who slowly comes to realize the problems with his zealotry and his religion.
Lulu: 4/10. Kinda boring, but not bad.
Kimarhi 1/10. Has no character.
Auron: 8/10. Pretty awesome; I do like a lot of what they do with him. They make him a successful mentor character and quite realistic.
Rikku: 8/10. Rikku's back! I just think she's full of life and intensely cheerful without being too annoying.
Seymour: 3/10. Ehhh.
Sin/Jecht: 8/10. Menacing presence on the world.
Yunalesca: 4.5/10. Kind of an interesting backstory. I like the plot point more than her herself though.
Mika: 5/10. Pretty neat.
Braska: 5/10.
Kinoc: 6/10. Makes you hate him kinda like (Lord) Yuna.
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne: 4/10. A bore in a pretty silly cast. Super straight man, massive wuss. Points for the Flay ending, which amuses me highly.
Jessica: 4/10. She's okay, sort of boring.
Nicole: 2/10. Noooooooooooo!
Flay: 9.5/10. Awesomeness incarnate.
Pamela: 1.5/10. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Roxis: 7/10. Wanktastic and constantly mocked as he deserves.
Anna: 4/10.
Muppy: 7/10. Only has a few good scenes, but dammit I love those.
Zeppel: 7/10. Much cooler in this incarnation.
Tony: 8.5/10. So surly. So funny.
Renee: 9/10. At first you think she will be boring and then you realize she is not Antenora but the hilariously sarcastic sidekick.
Isolde: 2/10. uh
Sulphur: 6/10. Funny.
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FF6:
Ultros- 6/10. Don't tease the octopus.
FFX:
Tidus- 7/10. Even upon replays, I always feel like Tidus deserves gravity defying, physics abusing kicks to the balls for his behavior in Luca. But...
Aside from that there's just a lot right about his character arc. He's... even at his most immature, what comes off as a sense of entitlement is really him being the last sane man. Because he's not steep in a thousand years of religious brainwashing, he can look at the system and realize it's fucked beyond measure. And then of course he matures and... blah, don't feel like going into it too much. Already just sorta rambling.
Yuna- 6/10. I like the dramatic scenes at the end but she puts up with more than she should and, at least sitting here now, it grates a little.
Wakka- 7/10. I really, really hated Wakka the first time I played. The whole religious-oriented bigotry presses a strong button for me. On subsequent playthroughs, I really dug the big brother vibe, and felt like he was properly humbled over his earlier idiocy during the major reveals.
Lulu- 5/10. She sometimes feels like a bit of a null, someone who's 90% exposition and the remainder a bit character with a so-so story. Kinda like her anyway though.
Kimarhi- 3/10. A friend of mine used to joke that Kimarhi should have been a Mortal Kombat character, because the name was too perfect in its announcer's voice. "Kimarhi wins. Flawless victory.' Sadly, this also serves to remind me that most Mortal Kombat characters are deeper and more interesting than Kimarhi.
Auron- 8/10. Yeah.
Rikku- 6/10. Bubbly and fun but is more of a mirror than a character in her own right sometimes.
Seymour- 5/10. Hm. I dunno, he drives the midgame well enough, and has an adequate creepy priest vibe. Not a lot else though.
Sin/Jecht- 8/10. Works.
Yunalesca- 6/10. She's pretty effective with her limited screen time, but I feel like maybe more could have been done to build up to her.
Mika- 3/10. Meh, there.
Braska- 6/10. The message in the bottle thing was pretty cool. he's nothing great beyond that, but the presentation is worth an extra point.
Kinoc- 4/10. Better at 'meh, there' than Mika.
Write-in Maechen- 8/10. Quite apart from being a great plot device, I do like the character he brings to his stories. We never learn anything about him or his history (... in FFX) and yet we all know him well.
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne- 6/10. Works.
Jessica- 6/10. Gets too serious for Mana Khemia plot to function. Likable before that.
Nicole- 5/10. There. At least the interaction with Muppy works though.
Flay- 8/10. The Flay.
Pamela- 7/10. Scary~
Roxis- 5/10. Yaoi~
Anna- 7/10. Toro~
Muppy- 4/10. Yes, I'm aware I'm giving Nikki more credit for their interaction than him. Just bored me.
Zeppel- 4/10.
Tony- 6/10. Seeing him fail to be a super villain is smile-worthy.
Renee- 6/10. Works.
Isolde- 5/10. Game needed more on the whole her/Theofrastus bit.
Sulpher- 6/10. Kitty~
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FF6:
Ultros- 6/10. Ultros makes me laugh and thus, does what he is supposed to do.
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus- 2/10. Fuck. You. Your dad was not NEARLY as mean to you as I would have been, you little shit. On the other hand you were almost tolerable when you were busting the Aurochs' chops for not having any balls, which makes you better than...
Yuna- 0/10. LOOK AT HOW GOOD A PERSON I AM. I AM SUCH A GOOD PERSON AND THE GAME WANTS YOU TO KNOW. Also, an absolutely terrible voice actor. At no point did I ever want Yuna on my screen, which is probably half the reason I hate FFX so much.
Wakka- 7/10. Wakka's pretty okay. He develops well as a character, mostly, and he does do the natural denial thing.
Lulu- 3/10. Isn't her most significant character development outside the first couple hours a throwaway line at the beginning of a sidequest?
Kimarhi- 5/10. Has the good sense to stay out of the game's story.
Auron- 8/10. Best of the lot, even if he is pretty cliche sometimes. I found the looks back at the old him, with Braska and Jecht. to be the most interesting part of the game.
Rikku- 2/10. Pederasts need someone, too.
Seymour- 2/10. At the very end, they turn him in to someone with fucking mother issues again. Fail.
Sin/Jecht- 9/10. Jecht is the fucking man.
Yunalesca- 2/10. Plot device, obnoxious boss fight.
Mika- 3/10. He was kind of crazy and old, I guess.
Braska- 4/10. Milquetoast.
Kinoc- 1/10. Wasn't he some fat guy who was Auron's friend?
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FFX:
Tidus: 5. I like the situation that Tidus is placed is far more than Tidus himself. I think it's structuring is fantastic, but as a character he's...okay.
Yuna: 4. Really doesn't do much for me. Bland.
Wakka: 9. Great and interesting story arc.
Lulu: 5. Doesn't really exist much, but gets 2 points for bitchery, and loses one because she just kind of sucked despite being a bitch.
Kimarhi: 3. He's there
Auron: 9
Rikku: 7. Fully realized character with a lot of decent quirks.
Seymour: 3. Dies, and then I keep wonder why the hell Yuna doesn't even try to send him when she has the opportunity (even if the opportunities are slim)
Sin/Jecht: 7. Works really well for what is was.
Yunalesca: 5
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne: 4. He's...there.
Jessica: 8. Really like Jessica. Sunny sadist.
Nicole: 6. Probably making me give her the highest score in the topic...
Flay: 9. Wins
Pamela: 8. Irreverent selfish bitch.
Roxis: 2. STFU.
Anna: 2. Crazy fluctuation. Sometimes she's wildly and out there and crazy. This is good. Sometimes she's a horrible bore and a giant drag. -2 off for her ending, which basically paints her as something willing to cheat even when her cheating can lead to someone's else death. Really abhor her ending with fiery passion.
Muppy: 7. Amusing.
Zeppel: 3.
Tony: 3
Renee: 7
Isolde: 3. Don't be mysterious unless you have a really good reason.
Sulphur: 5
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Make up exam:
FF6:
Ultros 7/10 amusing enough
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus 3/10 I need FOOOOD!
Yuna 4/10 boring doormat, terrible VA
Wakka 7/10 actually come to think of it he was a good 'zealot has crisis of faith' archetype, so I'll give him a couple points
Lulu 5/10 whatevs
Kimarhi 5/10 whatevs
Auron 8/10 cool dude
Rikku 6/10 she's alright i guess
Seymour 7/10 he is an asshole you like to beat up, but the mother complex is just weird
Sin/Jecht 8/10 Jecht is a pretty well done character
Yunalesca 5/10 barely there
Mika 5/10 barely there
Braska 5/10 barely there
Kinoc 5/10 barely there
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne 5/10 Milquetoast
Jessica 6/10 amused me slightly. slightly.
Nicole 2/10 I don't need to explain this
Flay 9/10 Great character or greatest character? You decide
Pamela 1/10 hello I am a huge cunt this is supposed to make you like me for some reason. VA makes me wish I was deaf.
Roxis 5/10 eh
Anna 7/10 amusing enough
Muppy 8/10 even more amusing!
Zeppel 5/10 does nothing worthwhile
Tony 7/10 mostly because he plays off Flay
Renee 6/10 mostly because she plays off Tony
Isolde 5/10 Nothing worth mentioning
Sulphur 5/10 sure is a cat!
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Make up exam:
FF6:
Ultros - 9/10 - StupidIntelligently used, annoyinginteresting, unfunny gimmick. The fact that he constantly shows up grates on my nervesis a treat every time I play FF6. FuckPraise him.
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus - 5/10 - Ko this is MY topic
Yuna
Wakka
Lulu
Kimarhi
Auron
Rikku - 8.5/10 - Ko if you were Rikku you'd be far, far, far superior
Seymour
Sin/Jecht
Yunalesca
Mika - (Ko*exp(Ko^Ko))/10
Braska - (d/dKo(Koln(Ko^2/(1+Ko)) + Ko!))/10
Kinoc - ((Ko^5 - 7Ko^4 + 34Ko^3 - 5.3Ko^2 - Ko)/(5Ko^3 - 65Ko^2 - 9Ko - 29))/10
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne - 5.5/10 - Well I guess I've never seen a doormat before
Jessica - 5/10 - Marginally insane, used to be good but was surpassed rather quickly
Nicole - 4.5/10 - It's Goto all over again except the concept of the school slut makes more sense
Flay - 9.5/10 - Ko if all that is true then man you must hate yourself don't hate yourself be happy like sunshine and birds singing in the trees going la de da de la de la do do do
Pamela - 5/10 - Average comedy character that got massively overhyped due to Tallychu girl brigade
Roxis - 7/10 - Yaoi clause
Anna - 7/10 - Ko this is more your style
Muppy - 8.5/10 - Ko would make a good queen
Zeppel - 5/10
Tony - 7.5/10
Renee - 7.5/10
Isolde - 4/10
Sulphur - 7.5/10 - Ko why can't I use .25s
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FF6:
Ultros - 7/10. Nothing amazing, but a decently funny character.
FFX:
Tidus - 0/10. Fuck off, Tidus. I've never understood the argument that "Tidus acts like a real person would in that situation!" HOW?! I don't think I've ever, EVER met anyone that whiny and annoying. Tidus gets thrown 1000 years into the future, discovers that his hometown was destroyed 1000 years ago, which, y'know, considering it was being attacked at the time? Fairly logical to assume that it was destroyed specifically at the time he left! And what does he do? Forgets all about it right up until the Fayth talk to him on FUCKING GAGAZET. That's over halfway through the fucking game! Did I mention that he was whiny and annoying and I wanted to punch him? No, seriously, fuck off, Tidus.
Yuna - 1/10. The worst part here? If I were including X-2, she'd actually get a higher score. Gets walked over for literally the entire game - firstly by Yevon, and after that, she just does exactly what Tidus/the party tells her to do. And, like Rob said, the voice actor. *punts* At least she's not quite as bad as Tidus, in that her annoying traits are more generic and less specifically annoying.
Wakka - 7/10. Kinda generic, but I love the whole brother side of things, and I didn't find him annoyin', ya?
Lulu - 5/10. VERY generic. Nothing to love, nothing to hate. She is there to seem badass and gothic and actually do nothing to approach this other than wear black, a lot of make-up and tell things to die.
Kimahri - 0/10. "Kimahri useless. Kimahri suck." I've ranted at a lot of friends about how useless Kimahri is, how bloody annoying it is when they randomly throw him in as though he has a purpose, and the fact that he does fuck-all. This ended up with my sister and I going through the whole of FFX and thinking how the plot would change without Kimahri. The whole Biran/Yenke thing would be cut, and he wouldn't be there to get annoyed at Seymour on Gagazet, so those scenes... would do nothing to the final storyline. No, the full extent of it came down to "Yuna would fall down the stairs."
Auron - 8/10. what is this an intelligent character in my FFX cast? Auron tries to be overly badass and cool, but sort of pulls it off at times. Also actually has some backstory and serves a purpose, which is good by FFX standards.
Rikku - 7/10. I used to hate Rikku, like all of this stereotype. Now? I actually kinda like her, if only because she's got some actual character traits. She isn't just generic crap, with a load of smaller things like some minor backstory events and the whole fear of lightning, etc, etc.
Seymour - 2/10. LADY YUNA~ His 2 points are almost entirely for his voice. Oh, and killing anyone to get his own way.
Sin/Jecht - 9/10. Sin works scarily well as a threat, and I love Jecht's backstory stuff. It's weird, I'd give either of these a 7, but they compliment each other pretty well, so get a 9 overall.
Yunalesca - 1/10. Rargh I am religious crazy boob lady who is also undead and will eat you. Her one point is for providing me with a boss fight that took over 24 hours. >_>
Mika - 1/10. *punt*
Braska - DNR.
Kinoc - 2/10. He did stuff, right? I'm giving him a point for the backstory with Auron, just 'cause it kinda adds to him being a dick.
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Tidus - 1/10 - I've ranted about him before.
Yuna - 5/10: I don't see admiring her at any stage of the game but she's not bad.
Wakka - 3/10: Interesting character, still terrible.
Lulu - 4/10: Inoffensive
Kimarhi - 1/10: Useless
Auron - 8/10: Reasonable, mature character stuck babysitting a bunch of shitheads.
Rikku - 6/10: I hate this archetype, but she managed to play well off of Yuna/Wakka so whatever.
Seymour - 1/10: Tidus + 20 years - Auron
Sin/Jecht - 1/10: I AM THE GREETEST, BIG BRAIN AM LEAVING NOW FOR NO RAISIN
Yunalesca - 1/10: Stop trying to make me give a shit about your shitty story FFX
Mika - 1/10: Evil priest is evil.
Braska - 3/10: Yuna + 20 years - Rikku. Also Jecht Yaoi.
Kinoc - 1/10: Who? Y'know, as terrible as they are, at least I remember Biran and Yenke.
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FF6:
Ultros - 7/10. Was amusing.
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus - 8/10. Yeah, I actually like Tidus.
Yuna - 5/10. There's a fine line between stoicaly putting up with the bad shit you've been handed and being a doormat. I'm never sure which side of that she falls on.
Wakka - 7/10. The deeply religion guy actually being the nice guy was a bit surprising. Especially as I played this back when I was still living in North Carolina! Still, he pulls it off well.
Lulu - 4/10. Jenna fangirls over her, but she's not my cup of tea.
Kimarhi - 3/10. Big silent guardian type has it's place. Would probably have been better in a game without...
Auron - 8/10. ...this guy. The Mentor role done very well, especially with the glimpses into his past to see the character development that turned him into what he was.
Rikku - 7/10. Yeah, Rikku isn't too much on her own, but her interactions with basically everyone else were gold.
Seymour - 7/10. Excellent all around villian.
Sin/Jecht - Abstain. I can't rate characters like Jecht with any pretense of objectivity. Sin was a cool idea, felt like a genuine world devouring threat.
Yunalesca
Mika
Braska - 3/10. Easily the least interesting person in the flashback scenes.
Kinoc
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne - 7/10. Bland, but made for a decent PoV character. Interactions with Roxis and Flay get him the points here.
Jessica - 5/10. Also bland. Felt really overshadowed by the rest of her cast.
Nicole - 6/10. The point above Jess is purely for her interactions with Muppy.
Flay - 9/10. He's such a jackass sometimes, but always in a hilarious way. Mind you I'd probably hate this dude if I knew him in person, and I normally end up rating that low, but as a game character he manages to be funny.
Pamela - 8/10. MK is not a serious plot game. MK is a comedy character interactions game. Pamela is brilliant at those.
Roxis - 8/10. It's good to see him getting knocked down a peg for his ego without making him the cast's whipping boy. Makes a great straight man in the more comedic scenes.
Anna - 5/10. Eh...I liked her sometimes. But the whole "unstoppable juggernaut who will not listen to reason" thing annoys me far more.
Muppy - 4/10. Funny, but not in a way that generally appeals to me. Felt like his appearance is what caused the game to jump the shark.
Zeppel - 5/10. Existed. Not bad, but not memorable either.
Tony - 7/10. Wannabe supervillian was funny.
Renee - 7/10. And her genre awareness was just as good.
Isolde - 5/10. Eeeeeh, I liked her stuff fairly well, but she dragged MK plot back away from the comedy and into the serious. She loses points for that.
Sulphur - 6/10. It was always very obvious that he knew far more about what was going on then he was telling. It worked. Also, kitty~
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Tidus - 0/10. Fuck off, Tidus. I've never understood the argument that "Tidus acts like a real person would in that situation!" HOW?! I don't think I've ever, EVER met anyone that whiny and annoying. Tidus gets thrown 1000 years into the future, discovers that his hometown was destroyed 1000 years ago, which, y'know, considering it was being attacked at the time? Fairly logical to assume that it was destroyed specifically at the time he left! And what does he do? Forgets all about it right up until the Fayth talk to him on FUCKING GAGAZET. That's over halfway through the fucking game! Did I mention that he was whiny and annoying and I wanted to punch him? No, seriously, fuck off, Tidus.
He didn't FORGET about Zanarkand, he flat out states in Kilika "...yeah, I gotta move on, stop worrying about Zanarkand, just accept things as they are, cause I'm stuck here" since he just dealt with Sin again, and it was that moment that he realized he was stuck there. You know, the proper way to deal with shitty situations like that? What's he gonna do when Zanarkand is shoved right in his face anyway? Go "I'm gonna ignore it!" its a pretty logical stance really; you're stuck one place, you gotta make the most of it. Kilika is the moment where he finally decides to do so; this doesn't change the fact that there's still a lot of shit going on that he has to absorb, which makes things intense, hence the whining (there's a lot he just doesn't KNOW.)
You also love to trivialize everything. Have you ever considered what is actually happening to Tidus. He's a Celebrity in his own world, someone who was admired by everyone...then in a few quick moments, everything he knew is gone, and he's suddenly this heretic kid, who was lucky enough to stumble upon a few nice people (like Wakka.) If you were actually in his shoes, you'd probably be a bit ticked off too.
He also wasn't so much at disbelief that "Zanarkand was destroyed!" It was disbelief of "I'm 1000 years in the future? That's hard to swallow!" Seriously, are you suggesting that you'd automatically believe you were 1000 years in the future cause you woke up in a foreign land?
I'm not saying you have to like Tidus, but trying to put things into perspective as to why people say he's realistic to some degree. You basically hit upon...very minor little points that weren't even what's going on, and completely ignored what was going on related to it.
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You also love to trivialize everything. Have you ever considered what is actually happening to Tidus.
No, because at that point people have already stopped caring about him. It's easy to trivialize things you don't care about at all and would rather just not exist.
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Alright, I'll do this I guess.
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus : 7/10 - Like Dhyer said, it's more the situation itself that Tidus finds himself in that's fascinating. However, I do think that curve itself is represented well by Tidus' character. It's evident that he changes, and despite his unsophisticated, bordering on childish behaviour, he stands as a pinnacle of reason among everyone else. He says what I was thinking as I played. Still, his overenthusiasm sometimes gets real bothersome.
Yuna : 6/10 - I like Yuna in a way, in that she stays happy and keeps a smile on even through hardest of times. And it must be rough to have all that responsability on her shoulders. All of Spira expects her to defeat Sin, and she knows she can't let them down. Still, I can't stand how she seems to refuse to believe that there might be another way for so long. And her reluctance to reveal things to those she trusts (like Jyscal's Sphere) really drove me over the edge.
Wakka : 9/10 - In a way, Wakka pretty much represents Spira's mindset throughout the game. Before Tidus existed, it was the common belief that only through repentance will Sin ever truly go away. As Wakka begins to go through that 'religious crisis' where nothing makes sense to him anymore, Spira begins to have doubts, too. When Yuna and co. try to destroy Sin, and believe he'll be gone for good, Spira rises and even sings the Hymn of the Faith in worldwide unison for them. Wakka as a character goes through some great changes that I very much enjoyed seeing, since, at first, he did somewhat bother me with his callous remarks towards anything that went against his beliefs.
Lulu : 5/10 - Lulu never really feels vital to the story. She's intelligent, and she contributes as one of Yuna's guardians, in a way, but I can't think of a whole lot of contributions in terms of what she brings to the story itself. As a character, she's.... okay? How her and Wakka hooked up is beyond me, since she seems a lot more willing to think outside the spectrum than he does.
Kimarhi : 5/10 - His devotion and protective nature over Yuna is inspiring enough to earn him an average score. The scene when he first speaks to Tidus, and him willing to take on Seymour all by himself were pretty good as well.
Auron : 8/10 - Everything's been said pretty well by others. He compliments the story well, and the snippets with Braska and Jecht only add to his character.
Rikku : 8/10 - An interesting character when you compare her to everyone else. An alternative thinker put into the image of a spunky girl. She's likeable enough, and, like Tidus, ends up sounding more reasonable than most everyone else. All she really wants is equality and an end to Sin. She's almost like a peace ambassador in the sense that she can see the light from both worlds.
Seymour : 7/10 - His ideals were actually terrifyingly villainous. Wanting to rid Spira of sorrow by bringing it to death? The guy is insane, and he had a pretty brilliant plan to unleash his insanity. Still, he died one too many times for my liking.
Sin/Jecht : 10/10 - Sin is the menace of the world, and it does a damn good job at being menacing. The utter failure of Operation Mi'ihen exemplifies it perfectly. Also, Jecht is a great character. Knowing he was Sin made every encounter Tidus had with him really... touching, in a way. Here, Tidus stands before the greatest monstrosity in Spira, knowing his father is in there, wanting all of this to end. It's almost bittersweet as Tidus seems to start growing closer and closer to his dad with every time he sees Sin.
Yunalesca : 3/10 - Ehhh. Stubborn as hell, refusing to believe there's any other way to destroy Sin, was pretty annoying. The fact that she considers herself all-powerful didn't bode well with me either.
Mika : 5/10 - All five points are for that one scene where he describes Spira as 'a spiral of death'. That was powerful.
Braska : 5/10 - Didn't have much presence, but any scene with him, Jecht and Auron viewed on the Spheres throughout their pilgrimage were interesting.
Kinoc : 2/10 - Felt completely unimportant. Backstory with Auron didn't impress either.
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FF6:
Ultros - 8/10
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus - 5/10
Yuna - 7/10
Wakka - 6/10
Lulu - 4/10
Kimarhi - 2/10
Auron - 6/10
Rikku - 3/10
Seymour - 5/10
Sin/Jecht - 5/10
Yunalesca - 4/10
Mika - 3/10
Braska - 4/10
Kinoc - Who?/10
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne - 4/10
Jessica - 7/10
Nicole - 3/10
Flay - 4/10
Pamela - 9/10
Roxis - 5/10
Anna - 8/10
Muppy - 6/10
Zeppel - 6/10
Tony - 8/10
Renee - 8/10
Isolde - 5/10
Sulphur - 7/10
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He didn't FORGET about Zanarkand, he flat out states in Kilika "...yeah, I gotta move on, stop worrying about Zanarkand, just accept things as they are, cause I'm stuck here" since he just dealt with Sin again, and it was that moment that he realized he was stuck there. You know, the proper way to deal with shitty situations like that? What's he gonna do when Zanarkand is shoved right in his face anyway? Go "I'm gonna ignore it!" its a pretty logical stance really; you're stuck one place, you gotta make the most of it. Kilika is the moment where he finally decides to do so; this doesn't change the fact that there's still a lot of shit going on that he has to absorb, which makes things intense, hence the whining (there's a lot he just doesn't KNOW.)
Kilika is, what, a week after he arrives in modern Spira? That is way too quick a change to be a believable reaction.
And the logical response? Not a damn chance. The logical response isn't to go "Yeah, I'll put it behind me and NEVER EVEN MENTION IT AGAIN." The logical response would be to remember it but move on. The fact that Zanarkand isn't even mentioned again until Gagazet is ridiculous.
You also love to trivialize everything. Have you ever considered what is actually happening to Tidus. He's a Celebrity in his own world, someone who was admired by everyone...then in a few quick moments, everything he knew is gone, and he's suddenly this heretic kid, who was lucky enough to stumble upon a few nice people (like Wakka.) If you were actually in his shoes, you'd probably be a bit ticked off too.
Doesn't this just support my entire fucking point? >_> Let's summarise:
- Tidus comes from Zanarkand, where he's (presumably) lived his entire life with his friends/family.
- He is also a celebrity here, with fame and fortune.
- His hometown is suddenly attacked and he is pretty much dragged off to a weird portal thing.
- He discovers his hometown was destroyed 1000 years in the past, presumably in the attack he saw.
- Mere days later, this is all JUST IN THE PAST NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT AHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah, fuck that for a believable reaction.
He also wasn't so much at disbelief that "Zanarkand was destroyed!" It was disbelief of "I'm 1000 years in the future? That's hard to swallow!" Seriously, are you suggesting that you'd automatically believe you were 1000 years in the future cause you woke up in a foreign land?
No, I'd not. THAT'S THE WHOLE DAMN POINT. He gets over everything too quickly for it to be even remotely believable. (The fact that he seemingly doesn't care about witnessing the destruction of his home, friends and entire lifestyle is just another reason it's not believable.)
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Meeple, are you asking for Tidus to be more angsty? Because your definition of "more believable" really sounds like "he needed to be more emo about his situation."
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Mana Khemia:
Vayne: 7/10 Likeable enough main
Jessica 7/10 Pyro! Likeable female lead. Extra point for that importance.
Nicole : 4.5/10 - Kitty! Cute! Friendly! + Muppy scenes! However ... yeah. No, just no to some stuff.
Flay: 9/10 Mana Khemia~
Pamela: 6.5/10 - Interesting take on the Pamela in the Gust series. Adorable with the ribbons and the purple and the teddy but yeah I suppose she isn't a very nice person at times. CT baits aren't usually like that. Still she's a ghost so those scenes work for being a scary mean ghost especially when Ted starts to look evil too. Points for trying something different from the usual Pamela.
Roxis: 6/10 - Roxis can be an ass too! Still hilarious. Butt monkey~
Anna: 4/10 - See Dhyer. Haven't seen her ending but yeah. Also the "romance"/relationship stuff with Vayne - No, just no.
Muppy: 5/10 - Needs to be around more and earlier.
Sulpher: 8/10 - CAT!!! Real cats own most of the cast ;)
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Not going to really get into an argument, but you are misrepresenting the time frames in the game Yoshi. You do not travel the distance covered or develop that good a friendship with people in a week. FF10 has a lot of implied compressed time for simplicity's sake (like you know, walking half way around the world?) and lots of time skips at the start of the game when you are travelling by boat. The time from the start of the game to Mt Gagazet is much longer than a single week (For comparison check the scenes from Jecht Spheres also present a great deal of time passing between them as well).
Case in point, the Al Behd may be good with machines, but they sure as shit did not dig out, resurface, transport, fix up AND test fly an airship in a week.
The time isn't just glossed over for your party, the simple logistics for all of the events happening in the world cannot be taking place in the time frames you are saying is unrealistic for Tidus' character development (Seymour's rise and fall from power, any of the Blitzball tournament shit, the massing of forces to try and strike back at Sin).
It may be unrealistic for him to do that in a week, but over a month long period (which is well below what I personally read the time frames as, I would put the upper estimate as much as 6 months)? Yeah, it is fairly understandable for someone to put something aside and deal with it later when it is becoming more relevant (You know Mt Gagazet being just before they get to Zanarkand, the original reason he was really keen to tag along with the expedition, not to mention I am pretty sure it comes up in the sequence with Bahamut).
Tidus definitely can be annoying as all fuck and I don't expect anyone to really like him at all, but there is enough reasons to hate him without misrepresenting the time frames being discussed here.
Edit - Alternately, if you take the main game taking place in that short a time frame, the capital city of Spira is what 3 days away from Zanarkand? A quick stroll through a forest, through the Calm lands, up a mountain and you are done. Pilgrimages are all like hard and shit man.
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Hmm. I'll admit that I haven't played FFX in a while, so my memory on the times of things are pretty hazy. That said, I still don't see Tidus as even remotely believable as a character. Moreso than before, but that's like saying "Oh, now this whiny stupid traitorous brat of a character is less annoying, they're just a whiny stupid brat instead."
As it goes, I don't see the events from Baaj Temple to Kilika being much longer than two weeks, maybe three at most, and that's how long it takes him to put Zanarkand behind him temporarily. People don't get over losing a single person who's close to them within a month, let alone their entire life as they know it.
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FF6:
Ultros- 2/10. Mostly annoying. Go away.
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus- 7/10. Enjoyed his character work a good deal.
Yuna- 4/10. Her best points were near the end, which were promptly pissed on and destroyed by FFX-2. Fuck you, FFX-2.
Wakka- 8/10- Good mentor figure for Tidus at first.
Lulu- 7/10. Solid and provides someone for Wakka to bounce off of.
Kimarhi- 1/10. Fuck off.
Auron- 8/10. He is what he is.
Rikku- 4/10. I barely remember her existing.
Seymour- 3/10. Total loser, but at least has style at points.
Sin/Jecht- 8/10. I really like the ending with Tidus and Jecht.
Mika
Braska
Kinoc- Don't remember these three well enough to rate.
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne- 7/10. His personality both fit the game and made complete sense within the main plot. It works.
Jessica- 4/10. Boring.
Nicole- 1/10. DIE
Flay- 6/10. Funny at points, but also fucking obnoxious in the first few chapters.
Pamela- 3/10. Mostly don't care.
Roxis- 7/10. What Ciato said.
Anna- 5/10. Amused me more than she should have.
Muppy- 7/10. Is Monkey in RPG form.
Zeppel- Don't care.
Tony- 5/10- Apathetic.
Renee- 7/10- Her motivations for going along with Tony are pretty obvious, and it makes for a good dynamic.
Isolde- 3/10. Blah, mystery stuff.
Sulphur- He existed past the opening chapters?
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Mana Khemia:
Vayne: 7/10- His own doormat-ishness was entertaining in its own right and made him, oddly enough, stand out to me. Worked well with the whole of the cast.
Jessica: 6/10- Decent. Had her moments. Point for attempted seriousness and some legitimate funny.
Nicole: 7/10- Liked her well enough, didn't mind the relationship arcing, redeemed Muppy's existence to some regard. Good enough to score her two.
Flay: 9/10- Silly, random and entertaining without derailing the game like Muppy did. Cast best character.
Pamela: 6/10- Oddly... kinda blanking on what she did. Had an amusing moment or two, which is worth a point. My revise this score.
Roxis: 8/10- Two points for interactions with the Mana of Light. One for being generally fun.
Anna: 6/10- Inoffensive and generally amusing. This is instant!
Muppy: 3/10- Loses points for (to agree with Gate here, really) being the trigger for the game jumping the shark. Main game presence was pretty much next to nil and sidestory stuff just kinda... grated. While I could at least vaguely take the story seriously with Flay, Muppy went and broke that connection for me. Even in light-hearted/comedy stuff, I like some story and character stuff I can vaguely grab onto. While Flay kept me in story, Muppy took me out. Doesn't lose more points for his interactions with Nikki and his awesome theme.
Zeppel: 6/10- Just good enough to escape a 5.
Tony: 6/10- Entertaining and a fun foil to Flay.
Renee: 5/10- Not as engaging as Tony.
Isolde: 6/10- Surprisingly hatable villain for a light-hearted game. Good enough to score her a point.
Sulphur: 6/10- Good when he's there, but its not overly frequently.
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As it goes, I don't see the events from Baaj Temple to Kilika being much longer than two weeks, maybe three at most, and that's how long it takes him to put Zanarkand behind him temporarily. People don't get over losing a single person who's close to them within a month, let alone their entire life as they know it.
You underestimate the reality in the Stalin quote relating to the death of one man being a tragedy and the death of millions just being a satistic. Especially when he was specifically removed from the area, there is other things for him to focus on and nothing bringing up Zanarkand emotionally really. It is like when you go on holiday, you sort of just forget about whatever is happening back at home.
None of this of course invalidates your issues with the character, he is still a tedious annoying dick a lot of the time.
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FF6:
Ultros: 7/10. Great comic relief character.
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus: 7/10. I liked him and found him decent. I can understand people hating him, though people seem to miss a lot of what is going on. That said, he's far from perfect.
Yuna: 7/10. Decent and all that, but won't fanboy over her; also FFX-2 leaves a slight sour taste in my mouth, for all that it should have no impact on FF10 Yuna.
Wakka: 8/10. Likable, and well done character. The whole "Gradual shift from racism to tolerance" is something rarely done; it wasn't just "AL BHED ARE PEOPLE TOO!" revelation but rather slowly learning to accept them.
Lulu: 4/10. Has a few decent lines, but otherwise is just kind of there as a Wakka foil, and not a very good one.
Kimarhi: 2/10. Is even more "just there" than Lulu.
Auron: 8.5/10. About the best you can do with a mentor character. Has the whole bad ass vibes, but at the same time doesn't feel like he's trying to prove superiority, and isn't afraid to be blunt about things (The Sin reveal that early was a surprise, let alone how direct he was about it. No riddles, just "Sin is Jecht, Jecht is Sin". He even justified why he said it so early too.)
Rikku: 6/10. She's worthless by herself, and generally an archtype I'm not fond of, but unlike most, she has good characters to bounce off of, and leads to good character interaction as a result, which salvages her from being truly horrible. FFX-2 is an example of what happens to her if you remove those characters, meanwhile...
Seymour: 7/10. Kind of liked what they were going for here, but he really needed to stop pretending he was dying.
Sin/Jecht: 7/10. Points purely for Jecht, cause Sin is a plot device really. That said, Jecht is just kind of that awesome guy with enough screen time to solidify he's awesome though I feel like there's a little more I wanted out of him.
Yunalesca: 4/10. One scene wonder, and while a good scene, its mostly the PCs that make the section worthwhile, so I feel she's at most a catalyst for the worth in this scene, not the actual strength behind it. Contrast this to BoF3 Myria, whose a good part of why the scene works so well.
Mika: 3/10. Generic old man dick who doesn't have remotely enough screen time for me to give a shit.
Braska: 5/10. Of the Auron/Jecht/Braska Trio, he's certainly the worst, partially cause he has the least amount of impact. What we see of him is likable enough, but there's not enough of him.
Kinoc: 6/10. Decent scoundrel, not much else.
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne: 7/10. Part of the reason Character Quests work is cause Vayne is an effective "Straight Man" who gets dragged into things cause he's so reserved. The end game stuff worked well enough though seemed a little rushed at the same time.
Jessica: 4/10. FOund her utterly boring and apathetic.
Nicole: 2/10. Stereotype I don't like, and I'm not a fan of cat-girls at all, especially ones as blatant as her.
Flay: 8/10. He is the Tick. 'nough said.
Pamela: 2/10. She was funny in Atelier Iris, but here? She comes off as a bitch and her ditziness feels so forced. She's just not funny at all, when she's clearly meant to be a humor based character. Seriously, how could they fuck this up so much?
Roxis: 6/10. For a complete dick, he wasn't nearly as annoying as you'd expect, so yeah; extra point for Mana of Light related shenanigans.
Anna: 4/10. Apathy; didn't really do much with her, frankly.
Muppy: 6.5/10. At first, thought he was annoying, but then they started actually doing clever things with him, so he ended up passable enough. Half a point for the Anti-Nikki related stuff.
Zeppel: 5/10. Left little impact one way or another.
Tony: 7/10. Evil Villain in training! Yeah this works.
Renee: 7/10. Incompetent Female Henchman in Training! Had some funny lines making fun of Tony.
Isolde: 3/10. She felt kind of there, and at times forced. Honestly, Mana Khemia was good at the Not-Serious plot stuff, and she was 100% serious, and actually tried to make the game seem like it was plot driven when its clearly NOT. Stuff with her just rubbed me the wrong way.
Sulphur: 5/10. For a talking cat...he's so utterly average <_<
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I'm going to update Sunday or maybe Monday, so get your votes in now.
Incidentally, if you have suggestions for new games to be ranked, feel free to PM them to me.
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Make up exam:
Ultros- 6/10. He was funny, but not that funny.
Classic game:
Tidus- 5/10. One problem with him is the general jackassery. Calling the adventure his story is the most notable example. Another problem is his "I'll think of something" attitude which didn't work for 90% of the game, but suddenly everyone went along with it for the endgame. On the other hand, while I didn't find Tidus himself enjoyable, he did make a lot of other things work.
Yuna- 5/10. It's nice that they go for a strong willed girl as female lead. However, the sheer stupidity with going along with the Seymour marriage doesn't do her any credit. Other events, although minor compared to accepting Seymour proposal, helps setting her up as a silly girl. For example, she apologized for Tidus misbehavior.
Wakka- 8/10. Generally well done. When he said something stupid, I wanted to punch him, not the writer. He had meaningful interaction with everyone except Kimarhi (who doesn't count) and the writer did a god job with nature vs nurture. Still, he lacks the extra that necessary to move into the realm of awesome.
Lulu- 5/10. She's sometimes cool, but not that much really. Mostly she's just generic.
Kimarhi- 3/10. Didn't seem very useful to the plot. He had a few good scenes, but they are way to diluted by him being forgettable 90% or more of the time.
Auron- 9/10. Cool, stylish and interacts meaningfully with the plot. Has snippets of other things going for him as well. What's there not to like?
Rikku- 8/10. Very likable and has great interaction. I think she was well done with being a cheerful person in nature thrown into a situation which is anything but cheerful.
Seymour- 4/10. I did not like the fact that you know he's a villain by just looking at him. Why not make him look like Dark Force then? Even so, I found him somewhat interesting before he revealed himself. His "then pretend you didn't hear that" line is awesome. However, as soon as the cat was out of the box he only got annoying. All his doing something evil and then promptly having his ass kicked made him feel like a roadblock rather than a credible threat. His motive didn't sell me either.
Sin/Jecht- 7/10. I have a hard time rating them as one character. While they technically are the same, Sin has gone trough many incarnations and has been the same regardless of who currently is him and as such has a longer history than Jecht. Sin does a great of being a massive destructive force and generally being what's wrong with Spira. Jecht I found less interesting, I didn't care much about his interactions with Tidus.
Yunalesca- 2/10. Bland and gets one minus point for atrocious style. I think her lack of screentime worked to favor here.
Mika- 2/10. The idea of having someone believe he's doing what's necessary, but in reality what he's doing is horrible wrong is a good idea on paper. I didn't like the execution however. Him calling Kelk Ronso "hardly useful" is too much of a kick a puppy type of dickery and makes him look like someone who does evil deeds with glee. Also, despite being the highest religious figurehead, he came of as the least relevant.
Braska- 3/10. He was rather bland. Also, why did you steer your daughter towards death?
Kinoc- 3/10. His only real purpose is to add to Auron's character. A good purpose, but he has nothing going for himself.
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FFX: This game has characters that conflict me more than most. I can hate/love the same person based on my mood.
Tidus - 6/10- I found his reactions and attitudes fairly believable, but I didn't always like how he got those feelings across.
Yuna - 8/10- Didn't see her as a huge doormat really. I mean her mission in life was to fucking die, I think I'd be a pretty quiet person as well in that situation. Her transition towards Tidus' beliefs was believable enough.
Wakka - 6/10- See... I hate people like Wakka in real life. That made me hate Wakka. But... the fact that he got his character across well enough for me to relate him to real life makes him a good character I think? 6 seems fair considering I did hate him, but someone like me should hate him...
Lulu - 5/10- Kinda just there. Didn't do anything to make me hate her, but didn't do much to make me like her. Decent mother figure to Yuna at least.
Kimarhi - 2/10- No personality really... but I can only give a 1 for someone who has a terrible personality.
Auron - 9/10- Liked his character quite a bit. Others have mentioned his pretty cliche role, but he pulls it of well. Also, not many old veterans are badass enough to die and still be the mentor.
Rikku - 6/10- Did her part as comic relief well and her interactions with Wakka were pretty good, but not amazing.
Seymour - 9/10- Dunno, I really liked Seymour. His evilness was believable and his dreams were pretty awesome. Annoyed how he just magically shows up inside Sin with new powers, but I won't hold that against his character.
Sin/Jecht - 9/10- Does the "giant evil entity that the world fears" better than other games I can think of.
Yunalesca - 1/10- Oh hai! Do things the way we have been doing them for 800 years because nobody can do it any other way. Kay? Meh
Mika - 7/10- Did the evil pope thing well.
Braska - DNR/10- Don't care
Kinoc - 3/10- Not enough screen time to make an impact
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FF6:
Ultros: 7/10. Works.
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus: 2.5/10. Yeeep. No.
Yuna: 7/10. Yeah, rather liked her, honestly.
Wakka: 7/10. See above.
Lulu: 7/10. Fan. Mainly because while she has minimal direct plot impact, she verbally smacks Tidus some. I don't like Tidus. This is a net gain for me.
Kimarhi: 1/10. See Yoshiken but I save 0s for characters that absolutely ruin their game by being even present. Kimahri just... kinda sucks time and energy and made a dungeon I found stupid necessary and invoked the Ronsos into the plot when they didn't need to be.
Auron: 3.5/10. I didn't like him. Why? Uh... Badass doesn't go so well with quiet for me, and doing the whole "I sit on information that might have been nice to tell my ward" was kinda stupid. He fueled some of Tidus wangst, so minus points, I guess.
Rikku: 6.5/10. Little by herself, but she reacts rather well with others which was cool to watch.
Seymour: 2/10. Oh hey obvious evil dude. Two points would be given for possibly decent concept, but then he just. kept. coming. back. augh. It makes sense as to why but it got dumb.
Sin/Jecht: 6/10. Effective in the role he was in, better than his son at everything. So there.
Yunalesca: 3/10. Had the grace to only have one (huge) boss fight. Otherwise, Seymour.
Mika - Wasn't she one of the recruitable goalies in blitzball?
Braska - 2/10. Bad parent.
Kinoc - Kinoc, kinoc. Who's there? I don't remember.
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne: 6/10. Doormat. But an entertaining one.
Jessica: 4.5/10. Two-trick girl. Fortunately, those tricks are funny. EDIT: Oh, right, I forgot OHGODIDYING. How'd I do that? Bumping her down two.
Nicole: 4/10. Eeeeh. Didn't mind her normally, disliked her plot arc.
Flay: 8/10. Well-done absolute ham.
Pamela: 5/10. Hm. Kinda don't recall most of what she did in game, definitely don't recall her being all too out of line but don't remember much humor from her.
Roxis: 6/10. Eh.
Anna: 7/10. Annatoro. It does honestly apply. Forgets the rules of logic or existence, goes to do whatever needs doing.
Muppy: 3/10. ENTIRELY FOR HIS PLOT ARC AND ENDING. HIS PLOT IN THE MAIN GAME WAS BALLS AND POINTLESS. blah.
Zeppel: 3/10. Eh.
Tony: 7/10. Tony~
Renee: 8/10. I liked Renee more, honestly, of the duo. Tony was the gung-ho, sure, but Renee? Had a crush, was tailing around due to that, but really just did what she felt like. Had no real grudge against the main team, treated Tony like her oblivious chew toy~
Isolde: 4/10. Has style, but invoked SRS BSNS PLOT. So style doesn't get her far. Regardless, style.
Sulphur: 6/10. Talking cat, did well for being a plot device.
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Vayne: 5/10. I liked that there was actually a decent explanation for him being so good at everything. But that still wasn't a very good start. He's all right overall.
Jessica: 2/10. She was fine for a while, though not a favourite, I just hated her serious stuff. OH HEY GUYS I'M DYING now we will proceed to handle this in a poor fashion. On reflection she's the worst of the cast's females which says something.
Nicole: 3/10. Also not very good. Slightly more amusing than Jess though.
Flay: 9/10. TO THE FLAY CAVE. Is a superhero. Becomes a supervillain. Probably better in MK2, but still glorious here.
Pamela: 3/10. Yeah I can't say I found her funny.
Roxis: 7/10. Had the decency to get owned hard. How a borderline sociopath total loser gets treated by real people!
Anna: 4/10. Funny at points, but her CQs/ending were pretty terrible.
Muppy: 6/10. Pretty funny, especially the stuff with Nikki. And taking the school hostage holy crap how is he not expelled? And the ending.
Zeppel: 6/10. Funny in his own understated way, pretty capable overall.
Tony: 8/10. Tries so hard to be evil, but fails.
Renee: 8/10. Comes along for the ride to snark. You can't not love this.
Isolde: 4/10. SERIOUS MK PLOT? To be fair, serious MK plot actually isn't too bad, but there's still too much MYSTARY from her side.
Sulphur: 7/10. Plot twist with him is pretty excellent. Also liked his dry humour.
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This'll stay open until Friday by request. Get your votes in by Thursday evening.
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Make up exam:
FF6:
Ultros - 7 - Possibly colored by nostalgia, but he's pretty much my standard for 'recurring joke boss'. If you can't live up to Ultros, why are you there?
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus - 9 - Yeah yeah, let's all laugh at Djinn and how Of Course he identifies with Tidus. Honestly, this character really did impress me with how easy he was to relate to. Perhaps the game was just good timing (I was the same age as Tidus when it came out), or perhaps he's actually well-written but people with a different background just don't -want- to relate to him? I don't know. *cue the 'zOMG I never noticed how they were both so whiny' jokes*
Yuna - 5 - For all that I like Tidus, Yuna's kinda bland. Perhaps because Garnet and Tifa felt so similar, she just seemed so forgetable and a non-factor, despite being the central MacGuffin. However, she works well with the rest of the cast, and there were a few good moments towards the end. About average.
Wakka - 8.5 - It's been said.
Lulu - 4 - I had such hopes for her.
Kimarhi - 2 - Both points for being a short Ronso.
Auron - 6 - Good, but not great.
Rikku - 6.5 - Ditto, but the archetype is harder to make good.
Seymour - 8 - I waffle back and forth on him.
Sin/Jecht - 10 - My favorite ambiance villain is worth a 8. Jecht himself is probably worth a 8. The way they end up working together bumps this to a perfect score.
Yunalesca - 5
Mika - 5
Braska - 4
Kinoc - 3.5
New game:
Mana Khemia: Still playing this, so scores don't include the entire game~
Vayne - 6 - Works well with Flay and Roxis. Worked well with Jess before she became boring.
Jessica - 6 - Really likeable pyro at the start. Then the serious CQs started and it kinda fell apart, but it not heinously boring at least.
Nicole - 9 - Finally, a promiscuous female character who feels believable. Seriously, you're all prudes. ;)
Flay - 9 - Is there anyone I have to justify this to?
Pamela - 7 - Bitchy characters are fun to watch. The saccharine sarcasm sells a lot of her persona. Could have worked better as an antagonist in some ways, though.
Roxis - 6 - Tsundere. If I wanted to read more deeply into MK, I'd talk about how awesome it was that they could make an openly gay character without feeling the need to dive into psyche and how messed up he is for being gay (Kanji...). However, despite how obvious it is, there's nothing that actually states he's gay.
Anna - 4 - Boring from the get-go. Needed a little more insanity to work in this cast.
Muppy - 3 - Jumping the Shark~
Zeppel - 3 - Non-factor.
Tony - 7 - Likeably funny and 'evil'.
Renee - 7 - Fills her niche of 'the sane one' better than Vayne.
Isolde - 5 - I can't say much about her yet, but from her few appearances so far and my spoilered knowledge that she's the 'main villain', it's just average.
Sulphur - 5 - Meh, talking cat. Barely there. Has a good line or two. Enough for average I guess.
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FFX:
Tidus: 8/10 - All mains from FF7 onwards are hated even though they aren't actually that bad. Except Vaan of course as the hate is completely fair when it regards him.
Yuna: 6/10
Wakka: 9/10
Lulu: 4/10
Kimarhi: 4/10
Auron: 9/10 - Gave the information needed and held back the info that Yuna and co needed to find out themselfs. Him never pulling a "You never asked" helps.
Rikku: 6/10
Seymour: 8/10 - Unlike a lot of people I think the final fight with him in Sin makes him better as it shows just how deluded and unimportant Seymour is. While yeah he is more or less just a roadblock he is a good one and I'd take him over Generic Beast 139992#.
Sin/Jecht: 10/10 - Creatures like Sin usually come late in games meaning they all rate as massive pieces of crap but Sin is there right at the start and plays the role perfectly.
Yunalesca: 1/10 That outfit.......gaaah!
Mika: 6/10 - Unlike all the other popes who reply with some crap like "Feel my god's power!" when confronted he instead replys with "I'm getting out of here bitchs!" which is much better.
Braska: - 6/10 - There wasn't much but he was likeable.
Kinoc: 7/10 - Adds to Auron and also the only sane man of the villains as he can see Seymour for the crazy fruitcake he is.
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne: 4/10 - ......
Jessica: 2/10 - ........
Nicole: 2/10 - ........
Flay: 9/10 - Hey a guy who actually is worth a damn. His VA being the guy who does the Dong is both odd and awesome at the same time as its such a villain's voice.
Pamela: 1/10 - Fuck off Pamela.
Roxis: 7/10 - Iffy here and there but otherwise fine.
Anna: 3/10
Muppy: 8/10 - Should have killed the whole school so the game had a good ending.
Zeppel: 2/10 - Did one important thing at the start and that was it. Should have been a generic considering how little he did.
Tony: 8/10 - His problem is he vanishes half way through but was otherwise decent, infact he and Renee were the only things keeping the plot going at all.
Renee: 8/10 - Why they didn't make her and Tony recurring enemies till endgame I'll never know. Yes there is the chance they'd go from fun to annoying but damn it would still be better then the main Mana Khemia plot.
Isolde: 1/10 - Whatever.
Sulphur 1/10 - Considering the last half a dozen games I've played all have had talking cats Sulphur is complete fail in comparison.
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All mains from FF7 onwards are hated even though they aren't actually that bad. Except Vaan of course as the hate is completely fair when it regards him.
...Really? I thought Cloud was good in VII alone (although hated what they did in Advent Children), I liked Squall, and I thought Zidane was amazing. No, my problem isn't 7 onwards, it's X onwards, since that looks to be the point where they mostly stopped caring about characters and turned more towards PRETTY PRETTY GRAPHICS.
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I've heard that line overused repeatedly, but this is the first time I've heard it claimed that the LOL WE ONLY CARE ABOUT GRAPHICS phase started with X and not 7. <_<
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Ehh, 7-9 had good graphics, but they weren't the best of the best, and 9's style was just plain weird. X, on the other hand, had easily the best graphics around at the time, and they've just aimed for more realistic graphics with each game since. (Ignoring XI here, because the discussion was about main characters which, uh.. yeah, kinda speaks for itself there.)
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Even if X's graphics are better relative to its time than 7's or 8's (possible, but hardly a clean sweep... notably, I'm pretty sure FF7 attracted more critical attention for its graphics than any game in the series since), it hardly means that any other facet of game design suffered for this. Which is why I put that argument in all caps mocking it.
Tidus, in particular, it's clear they put a fair bit of effort into writing, whether you like him or not. (Vaan it sounds like was kinda mailed in as a character by comparison, but I haven't played FF12 enough myself; still, this was less a conscious decision to be lazy about characters and more the result of him being shoehorned in to a role in which he wasn't originally envisioned).
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There's certain types of characters that, when written poorly, are terrible. And when you write them accurately they are a different type of terrible.
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...Really? I thought Cloud was good in VII alone (although hated what they did in Advent Children), I liked Squall, and I thought Zidane was amazing.
From my experiance on gamefaqs many people seem to judge a character by their first 1-3 hours of gametime because apparently Cloud and Squall are Emo (Hate using the term) for the whole game, Tidus does nothing but whine and Zidane I can't quite remember why but loads of people hate FF9 in general so its to be expected.
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From my experiance on gamefaqs
Therein lies your problem, methinks.
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I'm going to close this and start tallying a little early, since my schedule got shifted around at the last minute.
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I'm editing results in as I go, will finish this tonight or tomorrow.
Make up exam:
FF6:
Ultros: 6.28, 16 votes.
Classic game:
FFX:
Tidus: 4.97, 20 votes.
Yuna: 5.34, 19 votes.
Wakka: 7.18, 19 votes.
Lulu: 4.71, 19 votes.
Kimarhi: 2.63, 19 votes.
Auron: 7.84, 19 votes.
Rikku: 5.92, 20 votes.
Seymour: 4.78, 19 votes.
Sin/Jecht: 7.69, 18 votes.
Yunalesca: 3.28, 16 votes.
Mika: 4.00, 14 votes.
Braska: 4.33, 15 votes. (2 DNR)
Kinoc: 3.80, 13 votes.
New game:
Mana Khemia:
Vayne: 5.65, 16 votes.
Jessica: 5.21, 16 votes.
Nicole: 4.00, 16 votes.
Flay: 7.93, 16 votes.
Pamela: 5.18, 16 votes.
Roxis: 6.18, 16 votes.
Anna: 5.00, 16 votes.
Muppy: 5.43, 16 votes.
Zeppel: 4.64, 14 votes.
Tony: 6.60, 15 votes.
Renee: 7.10, 15 votes.
Isolde: 3.93, 15 votes.
Sulphur: 5.75, 14 votes. (1 DNR)
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The Hall of Champions:
1.Lily: 8.85, 7 votes.
2.Flay: 7.93, 16 votes.
3.Auron: 7.84, 19 votes.
4.Flay: 7.71, 7 votes.
5.Sin/Jecht: 7.69, 18 votes.
6.Kefka: 7.38, 18 votes.
7.Edgar: 7.31, 16 votes.
8.Wakka: 7.18, 19 votes.
9.Chloe: 7.16, 6 votes.
10.Renee: 7.10, 15 votes.
LOSERS:
1.Goto: 1.00, 6 votes.
2.Gogo: 2.00, 11 votes, 4 DNR.
3.Umaro: 2.45, 11 votes, 4 DNR.
4.Kimarhi: 2.63, 19 votes.
5.Marta: 2.66, 6 votes.
6.Banon: 3.20, 15 votes, 2 DNR.
7.Yunalesca: 3.28, 16 votes.
8.Yun: 3.71, 7 votes.
9.Kinoc: 3.80, 13 votes.
10.Enna: 3.85, 7 votes.
Ranked games:
FF6, FF10, MK1, MK2.
Not a surprising round, though Tidus ran higher than I thought he would. More people liked him than I remembered. <_<
Classic game:
Crono Trigger
Crono
Marle
Lucca
Frog
Ayla
Robo
Magus
Ozzie
Flea
Slash
Azala
Schala
Queen Zeal
Lavos
New game:
Persona 4
Souji
Yosuke
Chie
Yukiko
Kanji
Rise
Teddie
Naoto
Mitsuo
Namatame
Adachi
Dojima
Nanako
(If you guys wanna do write ins for S-links feel free to try and see how those go. 1/3rd or better for inclusion into the final tally.)
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Crono Trigger
Crono: 8/10. I really like him despite being a silent main. Crono Trigger has style and so does Crono.
Marle: 5/10. Eh, no real feelings on her either way.
Lucca: 5/10. Eh, ditto.
Frog: 2/10. Distinct dislike and he's an idiot too! Apparently he's the only one who talks like a Ren Faire reject in his time. Telling.
Ayla: 6/10. Kicks the shit outta dinosaurs. Good enough for me.
Robo: 3/10. Not interesting.
Magus: 9/10. 15 year old+Magus=fan. He's a decent character as it is, and that's enough for nostalgia to turn him into a 9.
Ozzie: 3/10. Annoying.
Flea: 3/10. Annoying.
Slash: 3/10.
Azala 5/10.
Schala 6/10.
Queen Zeal 5/10.
Lavos 7/10.
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Classic game:
Crono Trigger
Crono - Ugh. Completely pointless silent main. Go away. 1/10.
Marle - *shrug* Not really enamoured with CT's cast on the whole. Had presence at least. 3/10.
Lucca - Eh. 3/10.
Frog - Completely bland. 2/10.
Ayla - *sigh* 2/10.
Robo - Meh. 3/10.
Magus - The bright spot in CT's cast. 6/10.
Ozzie - I'm usually more fond of comedic relief villains but Ozzie just annoyed me. 1/10.
Flea - Oh hey evil tranny. 1.5/10.
Slash - Bland. 1/10
Azala - RAR LIZARD SUPREMACY. 2/10
Schala - Abstain.
Queen Zeal - rar bitch. 2/10
Lavos - As a villain Lavos works wonderfully as a looming apocalyptic threat. As a character? Does not exist. DNR.
Edit write-in: Dalton - More amusing than the fail trio but still annoyed me more than he did amuse me. Gets half a point for fourth-wall breakage. 3.5/10
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Crono Trigger
Crono: 2/10. Gets above a 1 for that fistpump when his mother is lost in time.
Marle: 5/10. No real opinion.
Lucca: 6/10. SCIENCE!
Frog: 3/10. Yeah, only person in his era with that accent is pretty fail.
Ayla: 5/10. No real opinion.
Robo: 6/10. Somehow comes off as more human than most of the humans.
Magus: 8/10. Nostalgia? Yeah, perhaps. Still, he stuck out as unapologetically grey. His motives made sense, as did his cooperation with the party, but they never tried to gloss over or redeem what he'd done previously.
Ozzie: 5/10. Not the best comic villain, but I still liked him.
Flea: 3/10. Lacks presence, but hey, is a tranny.
Slash: 2/10. Just plain lacks presence.
Azala: 4/10. Last scene is decent, but that's about it. ALSO WHAT GENDER IS IT?
Schala: Abstain. Always liked Schala for no defensible reason at all, so my objective instinct to give her a bad score is at odds with that.
Queen Zeal: 6/10. Hey look, had presence. Even if it was just being a brainwashed crazy.
Lavos: 7/10. Nice looming cosmic threat.
EDIT: Dalton: 7/10. Now there's the game's effective comic villain. STOP THE MUSIC! hahaha. Also gets to be a fair bit more effectively villainous than most of his type, had a good plan after Zeal was destroyed.
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Chrono Trigger
Crono - 7 - I liked him as a main when I was younger. Probably because of the sword.
Marle - 4 - Meh - More time travel nonsense.
Lucca - There's so many things about Lucca's character that I find both fascinating and frustrating. Like how she herself was the sole reason a younger version of herself first became involved in science in the first place. But then....argh never mind! I'll give her an 8 for SCIENCE!
Frog - 9 - Frog's music is the shit! i still don't get why everyone calls him frog. Like a slap to the face. I mean, they all know he is Glenn, yet they decide to insult him and call him frog. why?
Ayla - 2 - Never cared foe her.
Robo - 6 - robots can be good too!
Magus - 10 - Awesome.
Ozzie - 4 - Why do I have to wear him underwear on my head?
Flea - 5 - It's a man baby!
Slash - 5 - Good to steal his swords.
Azala - 3 - Silly, and a girl now?
Schala - 6 - Kinda just there.
Queen Zeal - 4 - Random evil person. Mother figure of the year!
Lavos - 6 - Good I guess?
Dalton - 9 - Is awesome.
Persona 4
Souji - 3 - is whatever you make him out to be. Also P main pimp as usual.
Yosuke - 9 - Worked his way into my heart. I like the comic relief characters.
Chie - 4 - Meh
Yukiko - 4 - Meh as well.
Kanji - 9 - The bath scenes make him almost a 10.
Rise - 2 - I guess.
Teddie - 7 - As much as this character annoyed me, I found him funny at times as well.
Naoto - 5 - Didn't like or dislike her really.
Mitsuo - 5 - His dungeon was the shit!
Namatame - 4 - There.
Adachi - 6 - I like his early screen time.
Dojima - 8 - Gotta love a working father figure that gets no love.
Nanako - 7 - She's so cute!
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i still don't get why everyone calls him frog. Like a slap to the face. I mean, they all know he is Glenn, yet they decide to insult him and call him frog. why?
Because when you meet him and ask what his name is, he says "Frog will do."
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Classic game:
Crono Trigger
Crono- 6/10. Sue me, I CARED when he got vaporized.
Marle- 5/10. Just kinda there between... well, pretty well everything between the intro and the sidequests.
Lucca- 6/10. Not bad.
Frog- 5/10. Hm. For some reason I liked him when I first played, but I don't really see why on replays. Sooo we'll just run with average.
Ayla- 5/10. Cute but not really moving.
Robo- 7/10. Okay so I like this sort of character. Shut it.
Magus- 8/10. Works.
Ozzie- 5/10.
Flea- 4/10.
Slash- 2/10. zzzzzz
Azala- 4/10.
Schala- 5/10.
Queen Zeal- 5/10. She'd work better if not for being upstaged by
Lavos- 8/10. Lavos is the only reason the plot even functions. Like, seriously, the game is really 5 short stories glued together by Lavos and his introduction during the intermission in part 1. Various pieces of the Day of Lavos we get to see are also fairly effective, emotional storytelling as the SNES judges, so yeah.
Dalton- 6/10. Not the best (shown up by Ultros and various SMRPG baddies, for era-appropriate competition) but worth a smile or two.
New game:
Persona 4
Souji Seta- 5/10. A...bout as good as this sort of main can be without cheating (like Crono)
Yosuke Hanamura- 7/10. Affable and really drove the plot forward. Sadly they didn't play off his relationship with Chie too well, and his S.Link was sorta dull.
Chie Satonaka- 8/10. I recall her being really good about saying things very close to what I was thinking at times. That's always good. Very funny when she wanted to be, too.
Yukiko Amagi- 5/10. Definitely the weak link of the PCs. Dull character I've seen done better and worse, but at least gets some points for the laugh.
Kanji Tatsumi- 7/10. The contrast is fun. One minute, tough guy, the next, threatening to beat you for eating animal crackers without checking for the special one. butt of a lot of jokes without ever seeming too victimized. So yeah, fun.
Rise Kujikawa- 7/10. Brings a lot of energy. Also love the VA work.
Teddie- 8/10. A-ri-su~
Naoto Shirogane- 6/10. Token sane person. Although I must admit I didn't do her S.Link.
Mitsuo Kubo- 5/10. Works well enough as a plot device, void as a character. 5 works.
Taro Namatame- 6/10. I like the way his plot comes together, mostly.
Tohru Adachi- 8/10. Not really threatening, but otherwise works well. The transition was weirdly believable, and beyond that the fact that he was more a quick-thinking opportunist than a calculating murder fits with the rest of his character very nicely.
Ryotaro Dojima- 7/10. Gives the more fantastic elements of the game a nice anchor. Enjoyable S.Link.
Nanako Dojima- 10/10. Every little girl character should be this awesome.
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Crono Trigger
Crono 5/10 boooring
Marle 4/10 spunky rebellious princess #3253534
Lucca 5/10 Don't care
Frog 6/10 He's alright I guess
Ayla 6/10 See above
Robo 5/10 Don't care
Magus 7/10 He does okay
Ozzie 5/10
Flea 5/10
Slash 5/10
Azala 5/10
Schala 5/10
Queen Zeal 5/10
Lavos 5/10
Dalton 6/10 Has like one good line
New game:
Persona 4
Souji 7/10 Actually has some good scenes!
Yosuke 8/10 Works well for being sort of a normal dude type of character
Chie 5/10
Yukiko 5/10
Kanji 8/10 A good character
Rise 6/10 likable enough but not really special
Teddie 9/10 owns
Naoto 5/10 Exposition Reverse Trap
Mitsuo 5/10 whatever
Namatame 5/10 whatever
Adachi 7/10 works as as total sleazeball
Dojima 7/10 good
Nanako 7/10 also good
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Schala: Abstain. Always liked Schala for no defensible reason at all, so my objective instinct to give her a bad score is at odds with that.
Not going to vote (lazy), but uh why is liking Schala unable to be defended? She is a character with very few scenes, but in those scenes she is a sympathetic character. She quite obviously feels deeply for the party and their plight even though she barely knows them, the people in the world generally hold her in high regard from the NPC banter and she is shown to be in an abusive situation that she doesn't really see a way out of. That... is a lot to get out of something from someone with 4 scenes in a 16 bit RPG.
Edit - Of course I am in the Myria 3 is totally rad camp, so I am all about quality being able to totally outweigh quantity.
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Classic game:
Crono Trigger
Crono - 4/10
Marle - 4/10
Lucca - 4/10
Frog - 3/10
Ayla - 4/10
Robo - 6/10
Magus - 4/10
Ozzie - 5/10
Flea - 6/10
Slash - 5/10
Azala - who?/10
Schala - 5/10
Queen Zeal - 3/10
Lavos - 5/10
New game:
Persona 4
Souji - 4/10
Yosuke - 7/10
Chie - 7/10
Yukiko - 8/10
Kanji - 8/10
Rise - 8/10
Teddie - 5/10
Naoto - 5/10
Mitsuo - 2/10
Namatame - 6/10
Adachi - 7/10
Dojima - 7/10
Nanako - 6/10
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Crono Trigger
Crono - 5/10. Occasionally had something going for him (self sacrifice, his reaction when his mom disappeared in time), but is most of the time just a boring silent main.
Marle - 7/10. We've seen the rebellious princess before, but at least I felt she had something to rebel against as opposed to several other rebellious princesses who rebelled against logic. Between her tomboyish personality and her attitude of taking action, I rather liked her.
Lucca - 6/10. Somewhat cool, but during her scenes with Robo, she felt like Robo's foil. She doesn't have much else going for her.
Frog - 4/10. His accent didn't do much for me and I didn't find his plight interesting either.
Ayla - 4/10. She had a few minor things going for her, but none of them really did anything.
Robo - 6/10. Well known archetype, but enjoyable for the screentime he has.
Magus - 8/10. Stylish and I like that he never redeemed himself. His plan didn't seem to make much sense (let's challenge Lavos alone), but that suits his personality.
Ozzie - 4/10. Sometimes amusing, but no more than that.
Flea - 3/10. Him being a tranny did nothing for me.
Slash - 3/10. He's something to hit.
Azala - 4/10. Does get the job of being a temporary adversary done.
Schala - 4/10. Don't care much about her.
Queen Zeal - 5/10. She works as a power hungry fool, but lacked style and ultimately was little more than yet another temporary adversary.
Lavos - 7/10. Had a very effective scene of destruction and does a good job of gluing CT's story together. Somehow still didn't feel like that much of a threat, unlike say Sin.
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Crono Trigger
Crono: 2/10. lulz
Marle: 5/10. I find her amusing.
Lucca: 2/10. nasty girl, loves to sex robots
Frog: 8/0. FROG!!!!
Ayla: 3/10.
Robo 3/10
Magus 9/10
Ozzie 2/10
Flea 2/10
Slash 2/10
Azala 4/10
Schala 7/10
Queen Zeal 4/10
Lavos 7/10
Writein: Dalton: 7/10
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Chrono Trigger
Crono: 3/10. Not actively offensive, and gains a points for having -some- emotion - does more than Kimahri?! >_>
Marle: 4/10. Meh.
Lucca: 5/10. Not-quite-as-meh.
Frog: 5/10. See Lucca.
Ayla: 7/10. She fucking kicks dinosaurs. Anyways, I kinda liked what they did here, for all that she got annoying now and then.
Robo: 4/10. Meh.
Magus: 6/10. Would be a 3 or 4, but his backstory makes up for his lack of likeable character.
Ozzie: 4/10. Sure.
Flea: 4/10. Sure.
Slash: 3/10. Sure.
Azala: 5/10. Did stuff?
Schala: Abstain. Like hell if I remember her actually doing anything.
Queen Zeal: 8/10. Well-written! I liked the stuff they did with her, and she's the kind of villain I love to hate.
Lavos: 3/10. Giant Space Flea.
Write-in: Dalton: 5/10. Either annoying or funny. Never both, and both in equal parts, so... average works well here.
Persona 4
Souji - 2/10. Not actively offensive.
Yosuke - 7/10. Starts off good, but eventually fades away to just sitting in the background complaining every now and then. Balances out at being half-decent.
Chie - 7/10. Fsteak?
Yukiko - 9/10. For all that she's kinda generic, she's kinda generic done very, very well.
Kanji - 9/10. 'kay, this guy? Probably the most in-depth character in the PC cast. Love what they did with him, just wish they'd gone that bit further with his S-Links, rather than making them all the same damn thing.
Rise - 7/10. Starts out really promising, goes into generic done kinda well.
Teddie - 8/10. Works as comic relief.
Naoto - 7/10. Ace detekative, not much else, but likeable enough.
Mitsuo - 3/10. Creepy kid next door. Gets a point for awesome dungeon of awesome.
Namatame - 8/10. Really liked what they did here too!
Adachi - 5/10. Would've been a 9 if they hadn't destroyed the whole thing with "I was bored" >_>
Dojima - 7/10. Started out kinda hating him, ended up really liking him. Reaaaally needs at least, like, 8 S-Link ranks to have any character worth, though.
Nanako - 8/10. d'awwww.
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Crono Trigger
Crono: 4/10. Not bad, but hardly good.
Marle: 3/10. Actively annoying most of the game.
Lucca: 7/10. Was a favorite of mine as a kid. Probably my first semi-serious exposure to the idea that girls can be nerds too(what, I grew up in North fucking Carolina, okay?)
Frog: 8/10. Like his charcter, his backstory, and I still feel like him using the Masamune to open the path to Magus's Castle is one of the strongest scenes in the game.
Ayla: 6/10. She has style, but that's about it. Still cool, though.
Robo: 7/10. Had some really cool bits, also the whole "holy crap it's a robot!" factor, which appealed to me greatly the first time.
Magus: 5/10. Shouldn't surprise anyone that I don't fall for the Designated Badass characters. Decent character overall, I'm just not a fan of the style.
Ozzie: 3/10. He very nearly costs Magus points, since there's this vibe of "...this guy is really supposed to be a credible threat? What?" going on. If he were strictly a joke villian, he'd work better. But the game really does try to take him seriously at points, which he cannot pull off.
Flea: 5/10. Random tranny is funny.
Slash: 5/10. Random semi-noble enemy swordmaster type. He gets away with acting like he has character when he really doesn't due to playing straight into a classic trope. It also happens to be a trope I like, so average works.
Azala: 5/10. Average works. Find it kinda funny that Ayla gets the serious antagonist while Magus gets the joke boss, for thier personal adversaries.
Schala: 6/10. She was decent for what she was, yeah.
Queen Zeal: 4/10. Eh, was never overly impressed by her.
Lavos: 9/10. Sets ths standard for Giant Space Fleas. It's looming in the background as a very real threat for the entire game, and it's very existance ties everything together.
Dalton: 6/10. Very effective at making me really WANT to kick his teeth in. Gets a point for that.
New game:
Persona 4
Souji: 5/10. Silent main. They sorta get average by definition from me.
Yosuke: 9/10. Unapologetic Yosuke fanboyism here~
Chie: 8/10. Also awesome. She and Yosuke played off of eachother very well.
Yukiko: 5/10. Honestly kinda bored me. Not horrible though, so.
Kanji: 7/10. Funny. CK sums it up well.
Rise: 6/10. Not bad at all, but I don't quite feel I can give her the same as Kanji.
Teddie: 6/10. You'd think I'd like the chronic punster more, but he just never overly clicked with me I suppose. Bearable at the very least.
Naoto: 8/10. Good character, plus the gender ambiguity jokes amused the hell out of me.
Mitsuo: 6/10. Not really sure where to put him. Like Dalton, quite good at making you WANT to hurt him, but also sadly pathetic at the same time. The random scenes/announcements/etc in his dungeon were great though. Hmm, think I'll settle on a 6?
Namatame: 4/10. His plot works well, but Namatame himself is mostly a tool. I credit more of his plot to Adachi then I do him.
Adachi: 9/10. Exact opposite of Yoshi here, the whole "I was bored" thing is part of what makes him this effective to me. Why? Becuase he's just a fucking sociopath, that's why. It's nice to have serious villians who don't have grand motives every once in awhile.
Dojima: 7/10. Excellently portrayed father figure.
Nanako: 8/10. Awesome little girl. She and Lym from S5 totally need to hang out~
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i still don't get why everyone calls him frog. Like a slap to the face. I mean, they all know he is Glenn, yet they decide to insult him and call him frog. why?
Because when you meet him and ask what his name is, he says "Frog will do."
Yeah, but they know his real name and still call him Frog! I get telling Crono and the gang that line, but the queen and all the knights? they should have more respect. ha!
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Persona 4
Souji: 5/10
Yosuke: 8/10 Brosome.
Chie: 2/10: Didn't care much for Chie.
Yukiko: 6/10: Passable.
Kanji: 9/10: Is the best male character. Loses a point for weird semi-plothole reasons.
Rise: 10/10: Is the best~
Teddie: 8/10: Utterly insane.
Naoto: 0/10: Stop shitting up my game!
Mitsuo: 2/10: Works as a creepy bastard.
Namatame: 3/10: Probably be higher if I talked to him more around town.
Adachi: 8/10: I like Adachi. The plot warps everything he does to make sense.
Dojima: 9/10 Is the man.
Nanako: 9/10: Is adorable.
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Classic game:
Crono Trigger
Crono - 3 - Silent main, and any points you would have gotten for nostalgia are cancelled out by being drawn by Toriyama.
Marle - 5 - Rebellious Princess, but does a good job of it. Her situation was sympathetic enough.
Lucca - 8 - SCIENCE!!
Frog - 4 - Meh.
Ayla - 8 - I found her to be genuinely funny. And, of course, Djinn likes promiscuous characters.
Robo - 6 - Cool for a robot.
Magus - 5 - All of these points are for presentation, but I just really hate him.
Ozzie - 4
Flea - 5
Slash - 5
Azala - 7 - Really like the theme behind this whole scenario, and Azala plays it well.
Schala - 6
Queen Zeal - 5
Lavos - 7
Dalton - 5
New game:
Persona 4
Souji - 5 - Just going to say this now. I liked pretty much everyone in P4. The characters felt really alive and while you can argue that they are archetypal, I've met at least one person in Japan (specifically in my classes) who is a direct analogue for each of them. They are spot-on. Even Souji, whose entire characterization comes from his interactions with Nanako and Dojima, worked out pretty well. Also, gets an extra point for not being Minato.
Yosuke - 9 - The real main character and a damn amusing one.
Chie - 7 - Plays off of Yosuke well, and really likable.
Yukiko - 5 - She's pretty generic, but there's just enough there to keep her enjoyable. She played off of the rest of the cast well.
Kanji - 10 - I unabashedly like Kanji.
Rise - 9 - I unabashedly like Rise.
Teddie - 7 - Good comic relief. His serious plot wasn't bad either!
Naoto - 4 - Only character that I found myself getting bored with. Also the only one who was entirely fake and I've never met a person like this in real life.
Mitsuo - 7 - Creepy and effective background color.
Namatame - 6 - Kinda lame, but the stuff that revolves around him while he's on-screen is fascinating.
Adachi - 9 - Win.
Dojima - 10 - Win.
Nanako - 10 - Win.
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Persona 4
Souji- 7/10. The game did a good job making you feel attached to a silent main. Having an actual family and a circle of friends he interacts with helps with that.
Yosuke- 8/10. He's Xander.
Chie- 7/10. Generally cool.
Yukiko- 7/10. Too bad she didn't turn out to be the Killer. That would have been awesome.
Kanji- 8/10. "What did you just say? Please beat the shit out of me Kanji?" He has good lines and somehow makes the gay badass character work.
Rise- 9/10. What Djinn said. The change from superstar idol to depressed girl to bubbly teenager is well done. Her S link is really cool as well.
Teddie- 6/10. Hit and miss. Gets much better once his human form comes out to play.
Naoto- 7/10. Benefits tremendously from the time her S link is set, it gives a very bittersweet tinge to it.
I really like this PC cast. It's funny, interacts well, and everyone has tons of dialog.
Mitsuo- 4/10. Points for the dungeon but the character himself I completely forgot about until then.
Namatame- 3/10. He barely existed outside of the one scene in the hospital.
Adachi- 6/10. Frankly, the reveal was his best part. Otherwise, meh.
Dojima- 9/10. Realistic father figure. You only get to see a small section of his life- unlike the kids and Nanako, he doesn't massively change over the year. He's still mourning his wife and looking for the killer and still trying to be a father in spite of a hectic job. His S-link had the perfect ending in that regard- you have a happy moment as a family then he's off to work. He also provides some much needed conflict with Souji, as the investigation team keeps running int ohim.
Nanako- 9/10. Every day is great at Junes~ Or what everyone else said.
Write in: Morooka 6/10. Because King Moron makes school fun.
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Persona 4
Souji - 6/10 - Pretty much see Super.
Yosuke - 8/10 - The real main character early on, always amusing.
Chie - 8/10 - She just resonated with the rest of the cast so well.
Yukiko - 6/10 - Entertaining enough - good but not great.
Kanji - 9/10 - Yoshi says it best.
Rise - 7/10 - Annoying sometimes, but far more lovable. Good S. Link, not terribly generic.
Teddie - 7/10 - Good comic relief, and had some cute scenes here and there.
Naoto - 6/10 - A little 'blah' at times, but had her moments.
Mitsuo - 4/10 - Plot device, but not a bad one.
Namatame - 4/10 - Same.
Adachi - 8/10 - Cabbage-man is so wonderfully just... not a good person.
Dojima - 9/10 v
Nanako - 10/10 - The Dojima family stuff is probably my favorite part of the game. Nanako's adorableness MIGHT be coloring the rating just a hair.
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Going to update this Saturday or Sunday! Get your votes in now!
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Crono Trigger
Crono: 3/10. Has actual in game actions or something that suggest he's at least REACTING to stuff, which is more than most Silent Protagonists have...this is sad.
Marle: 2/10. Oh look tomboy princess who falls in love with the main and hates her dad...her development was so forced and out of nowhere and...ugh.
Lucca: 5/10. She had the arrogance thing, but that's about it.
Frog: 5/10. Has a stylish scene with the Masamune slicing down the mountain and ACTUAL BACKSTORY, something like the entire CT cast didn't have, so he gets...an average score.
Ayla: 3/10. AYLA SMASH! Whatever.
Robo: 6/10. Guess he was alright, since you did see some actual development and it made sense, and they did some fun things with him being a robot...that said, why the fuck is Robo listed after Ayla anyway? IT MAKES NO SENSE!
Magus: 8/10. Holy shit, a character with genuine development, and a gray character who...remains gray until the end. You really can't tell if he's actually a good guy underneath it all, or he's just joining you cause you both have a common enemy in Lavos (whom he wants revenge on) and he doesn't give a shit about things not Schala. Seeing both his younger self and older self actually helped make a somewhat complete character! He really stands out in this cast as far as writing goes.
Ozzie: 6/10. Loony Toons Style death traps are fun, but that's about it.
Flea: 3/10. 2 Scenes, gets a point for tranniness.
Slash: 2/10. The most memorable thing about him is Frog calling him "Sir Slush" ...seriously, that's sad.
Azala: 2/10. Is there. Oh look, rants about how Humans have doomed the future and what not when s/he dies! Try having more screen time so I can give a shit.
Schala: 4/10. Felt like more of a plot device than a character half the time, lacks any real development, cause its all "I'm nice and treat everyone equally" until her mother tells her to do something, then she goes into "Loyal Slave Daughter" mode. This could have been forgiven...if she didn't spontaneously DISAPPEAR as soon as the Ocean Palace died. The whole MIA thing for no good reason is not effective damn it, ESPECIALLY when its the very foundation that CHRONO CROSS' PLOT IS BASED UPON.
Queen Zeal: 6/10. Yeah, she's got style and is crazy, but not much else.
Lavos: Abstain. Unlike Jenova, whose 100% plot device and not a real character, Lavos actually EXISTS and his presence is felt. However...I still have problems judging him as a character, cause of lack of screen time and the game often treats him more as a looming threat rather than a character.
Of course, that's no different than G3 Xorn, but then, XORN HAD BATTLE QUOTES. This changes everything <_<
Persona 4
Souji: 2/10. See Crono, only remove the actual emotion thing. Oh sure, lots of dialog, but...pretty much all of them end the EXACT SAME WAY: the character treats you as Mary Sue regardless (they might get mad at you for like 5 seconds, but then just submit you're right. That's the game's version of "Mean response.") Souji is what made me pinpoint exactly what I hated about jRPG Silent Protagonists as a result. Also, another thing that stood out to me was the Nanako scene near the end. It should have been a really powerful moment, and would have been with SOMEONE WHO TALKS...but Souji being a Silent Protagonist really undermined it. Fail Souji, especially since Tir McDohl had a similar moment over a decade earlier and did it FAR more effective despite the same handicapped.
Yosuke: 7/10. Actually kind of liked him and found him relatable, and many times it felt like HE should have been the main, only wasn't cause YOU ARE SOUJI, YOU MUST BE SILENT. He felt like the team's Real Leader too, just because you are Souji, being the leader means instead of Yosuke going "Ok, we're doing this!" its "Ok, leader, is that what we're doing?" Ugh, loses a point for the reason alone; SMTs really need to learn that Silent Protagonists fail.
Chie: 3/10. Boring S-links and otherwise a cliche, next.
Yukiko: 4/10. The opposite of Chie, she was a little more entertaining...a little.
Kanji: 7/10. Also kind of liked him; they did a good take on the "Big tough guy with a soft spot" thing well here.
Rise: 5/10. I guess. People need to stop hyping the transformation from "Celebrity' though cause when we first meet her, she's already in the Depressed Girl state; we barely see her as the big teen idol.
Teddie: 9/10. I hate TEddie, cause he forces me to admit that there's actually good writing in Persona 4 that I can't deny >: (
Naoto: 3/10. GIRL WHO WANTED TO HAVE A PENIS SO SHE CAN BE A DETECTIVE, yeah no. Minus 1 point for being OBVIOUSLY FEMALE when you first meet her, but the game tries to play it up as her being "Clearly male." Fail on design and voice acting there to massive degrees.
Mitsuo: 2/10. A concept that could have been great, but is too short lived, and is mostly dealt with by characters just talking about it. Mrf.
Namatame: 6/10. Worked for his role, I guess.
Adachi: 4/10. Scooby Doo Villain, except that Scooby Doo Villains are LESS obviously the ones at fault; actually, I find myself still unable to guess the exact culprit in Scooby Doo episodes cause when you think you found a pattern in the show, they pull a fast one and go "nope, it was the suspicious guy!" Congrats, Adachi, you are beaten by a KID'S CARTOON SHOW in villainy, how does that make you feel?
Dojima: 8/10. Yeah, rather well executed guy whose caught between work and family, trying his best to be a good father/uncle, but just doesn't know the right way to get it across. The reaction to Nanako stuff was good too, and that sequence would have been great if not for Disney Death Syndrome and FUCKING SOUJI BEING A SILENT PROTAGONIST *murders things dead*
Nanako: 7/10. Well done version of a little girl and likable, but loses a point for quite possibly the most asinine Disney Death ever. It went from "holy shit, Persona 4 just did the unthnkable in killing a character like that, well played!" to "...did you just...undermine all that emotional drama and get our emotions worked up only so you could say 'just kidding ^_^' in the end? FUCK YOU GAME." This was the big climax moment related to Nanako, which is why I hold it against her; to think I would have preferred the cliched "She's probably not going to make it...wait! Miraculous Recovery!" scenario only cause it wouldn't have had that emotional drama built up just to spin around and pretend like it was nothing.
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Crono 3.5/10
Marle 2.5/10
Lucca 4.5/10
Frog 5.5/10
Ayla 5.5/10
Robo 3.5/10
Magus 8.5/10
Ozzie 7.5/10
Flea 5/10
Slash 4/10
Azala 6.5/10
Schala 2/10
Queen Zeal 6/10
Lavos 6.5/10
Dalton 7.5/10
Souji 6.5/10
Yosuke 8.5/10
Chie 8.5/10
Yukiko 7/10
Kanji 10/10
Rise 10/10
Teddie 9/10
Naoto 7/10
Mitsuo 2/10
Namatame 7/10
Adachi 10/10
Dojima 9.5/10
Nanako 9.5/10
Morooka 7.5/10
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Reminder: This closes this weekend. Vote now!
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Extended until Friday since I've had a generally crappy weekend.
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Crono Trigger-
Crono: 5/10
Marle: 4/10
Lucca: 6/10
Frog: 5.5/10
Ayla: 6.5/10
Robo: 5.5/10
Magus: 8/10
Ozzie: 4.5/10
Flea: 4.0/10
Slash: 3.0/10
Azala: 2.5/10
Schala: 5.0
Queen Zeal: 5.5/10
New game:
Persona 4
Souji: 5.5/10
Yosuke: 9/10
Chie: 8.5/10
Yukiko: 6.5/10
Kanji: 8/10
Rise: 6/10
Teddie: 9.5/10
Naoto: 5.5/10
Mitsuo: 5/10
Namatame: 6/10
Adachi: 8/10
Dojima: 9/10
Nanako: 9.5/10
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Crono 2/10
Marle 3/10
Lucca 3/10
Frog 3/10
Ayla 4/10
Robo 10/10 - Rick rolls everyone with his theme tune. Best part is you don't know it at first.
Magus 9/10
Ozzie 4/10
Flea 3/10
Slash 2/10
Azala 6/10
Schala 4/10
Queen Zeal 4/10
Lavos 7/10
Dalton 9/10
Souji 7/10
Yosuke 10/10
Chie 8/10
Yukiko 7/10
Kanji 9/10
Rise 7/10
Teddie 9/10
Naoto 8/10
Mitsuo 4/10
Namatame 8/10
Adachi 10/10 - When I thought early on who the killer could be I thought "Wouldn't it be a laugh if it was Adachi?", the best part was of course that it was actually him. Also Cabbage.
Dojima 10/10
Nanako 10/10
King Moron - 8/10 - Sad when he died :'(
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Classic game:
Crono Trigger
Crono - 2/10. Silent main.
Marle - 4/10. Annoying princess. Gains two points for not being afraid to flex her power instead of wimping out at the last possible minute.
Lucca - 6/10. POWER OF SCIENCE works better than the above two.
Frog - 4/10. Was a knight, gimmick was he was a frog. I really liked the "split mountain in half" scene too, but that... didn't feel like it had to be Frog. Blah, can't explain.
Ayla - 7/10. Odd favorite. I think mainly for punching Kino.
Robo - 6/10. POWER OF SCIENCE again.
Magus - 8/10 BECAUSE I AM PRETENDING HE GETS KILLED BY THE PCS OKAY PLOT WISE HIS PC FORM DOESN'T EXIST god that was really kinda pointless. I mean, okay, I get liking the ambiguity of "is he reformed or just after the same goals" type of thing, I can see that, but the game drops him so heavily there any potential there is wasted to me. Conceptually as an optional PC he could've been cool but it didn't get written that way. As a villain, I actually like him. So.
Ozzie - 6/10. I AM IMMORTAL *foiled by cat*
Flea - 3/10. ...nyeh.
Slash - 4/10. Eh, somewhat more engaging, but both of these two needed more.
Azala - 7/10. Worked as an actual villain, at least made sense for what was going on. Needed more screentime but goes out with style.
Schala - 3/10. What Meeple said kinda. Could have been interesting if she had been fleshed out more.
Queen Zeal - 4/10. Power hungry bitch. Somehow feels less threatening than Azala despite doing more.
Lavos - 8/10. GIANT SPACE FLE- wait, introduced 10% of the way in, IS A THREAT YOU'RE WORKING AGAINST THE ENTIRE GAME, and you actively see its effects unfold? For a damn space flea that's pretty much awesome.
Dalton - 6/10. Better villain than Zeal. I'm sorry, that's my honest opinion. <_<
New game:
Persona 4
Souji - 3/10. Silent main. Dialogue choices and the few funny scenes at the beginning "It looks like there's someone stuck in a trash can. ...you decide to leave him alone." give him a point over Crono, but in the end, silent main.
Yosuke - 8.5/10. The real squad leader.
Chie - 5/10. Generic but likeable.
Yukiko - 5/10. Generic, not as likeable, but the laugh amused me. As did the gag glasses, which were her theme. So a point extra.
Kanji - 8/10. Renovate your ass.
Rise - 4/10. Didn't really like her.
Teddie - 7/10. One of the more rounded characters.
Naoto - 6/10. Probably my favorite girl in the PC squad, which says little. Still, intellect + general distaste of the group's antics for a lot of the game was an interesting contrast.
Mitsuo - 3.5/10. Needed more screentime.
Namatame - 6.5/10. Decently well-done villain.
Adachi - 7/10. Doesn't give two shits about you.
Dojima - 9/10. Yeah, I like Dojima. Excellent SLink, excellent story presence. Just done rather well.
Nanako - 8.5/10. Same for her, but she wasn't as impactive as Dojima was - perhaps due to being around more often.
King Moron - 3/10. Needed to be written like Hiimdaisy for me to appreciate him. In-game, just came off as someone I didn't really miss.
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Last call, gonna update this starting this evening.
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Locking for the beginning of the update.
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Editing in results as I go.
Results!
Classic game:
Crono Trigger
Crono: 3.85, 17 votes.
Marle: 4.14, 17 votes.
Lucca: 5.26, 17 votes.
Frog: 4.82, 17 votes.
Ayla: 4.94, 17 votes.
Robo: 5.47, 17 votes.
Magus: 7.44, 17 votes.
Ozzie: 4.29, 17 votes.
Flea: 3.79, 17 votes.
Slash: 3.29, 17 votes.
Azala: 4.50, 16 votes.
Schala: 4.85, 14 votes.
Queen Zeal: 4.79, 17 votes.
Lavos: 6.60, 14 votes. (1 DNR)
Write in: Dalton: 6.41, 12 votes.
New game:
Persona 4
Souji: 4.86, 15 votes.
Yosuke: 8.20, 15 votes.
Chie: 6.40, 15 votes.
Yukiko: 5.96, 15 votes.
Kanji: 8.40, 15 votes.
Rise: 6.86, 15 votes.
Teddie: 7.63, 15 votes.
Naoto: 5.50, 15 votes.
Mitsuo: 3.96, 15 votes.
Namatame: 5.50, 15 votes.
Adachi: 7.46, 15 votes.
Dojima: 8.36, 15 votes.
Nanako: 8.56, 15 votes.
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Where awesome people hang out:
1.Lily: 8.85, 7 votes.
2.Nanako: 8.56, 15 votes.
3.Kanji: 8.40, 15 votes.
4.Dojima: 8.36, 15 votes.
5.Yosuke: 8.20, 15 votes.
6.Flay: 7.93, 16 votes.
7.Auron: 7.84, 19 votes.
8.Flay: 7.71, 7 votes.
9.Sin/Jecht: 7.69, 18 votes.
10.Teddie: 7.63, 15 votes.
FAILURE ALLEY:
1.Goto: 1.00, 6 votes.
2.Gogo: 2.00, 11 votes, 4 DNR.
3.Umaro: 2.45, 11 votes, 4 DNR.
4.Kimarhi: 2.63, 19 votes.
5.Marta: 2.66, 6 votes.
6.Banon: 3.20, 15 votes, 2 DNR.
7.Yunalesca: 3.28, 16 votes.
8.Slash: 3.29, 17 votes.
9.Yun: 3.71, 7 votes.
10.Flea: 3.79, 17 votes.
Rescued from the puppy mill (Successful writeins):
Dalton: 6.41, 12 votes.
Ranked games:
FF6, FF10, MK1, MK2, P4, CT
Persona 4 just dominated with incredible scores while CT was mostly unremarkable. Magus made the top 10 for about a half hour before the Persona 4 blitz knocked him right out. CT did manage some relevance, getting Flea and Slash in the 10 lowest category! Go CT! Rock on!
Classic game:
Star Ocean 2/Star Ocean 2 PSP
The individual voter can decide on how to balance the PSX and PSP remakes together. Please don't give me separate scores, I won't count either of them if you do that. One score per character, please.
Claude
Rena
Celine
Ashton
Precis
Bowman
Opera
Ernest
Leon
Dias
Noel
Chisato
Welch
Shin
Berle
Shiego
Marsilio
Nicolus
Ruprecht
Jibril
Vesper
Decus
Cyril
Indalecio
New game:
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri
Estelle
Repede
Karol
Rita
Raven
Judy
Flynn
Alexei
Duke
Don Whitehorse
Yeager.
Again, writeins are welcome, especially if I missed anyone interesting.
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Star Ocean 2/Star Ocean 2 PSP
Claude: 7/10. I like Claude. He's not really a hero but gets thrust into a situation where he has no choice but to be a hero. He's a bit on the nice side and his puppy-love romance with Rena gets tiresome quickly. But overall he works as a teenage kid who's been sped along before he's ready and how has to hack it for real.
Rena: 4/10. Likable but still a teenage girl with all the bad choices that implies.
Celine: 5/10. Shower curtains make adventurer's clothes? Sure, why not. She gets points for being so useful early on.
Ashton: 7/10. I like Ashton as a character, shame about how he performs in battle.
Precis: 8/10. This is mostly for the PSP version, which gave her a much better VA. Anyway, I've always liked Precis, she's hyper while still being likable AND not being annoying. A rare combination for that type of character!
Bowman: 3/10. Just doesn't do much for me.
Opera: 4/10. Average, loses a point for chasing after ERNEST. That's like a repo man going after an '89 Corolla instead of an '10 Ferrari. Something ain't right in that girl's head.
Ernest: 2/10. A twat, but one the PSP remake makes marginally amusing.
Leon: 0/10. Annoying know it all kid. I do feel bad for him after his parents kick the bucket, but wait, magic fix it! I can safely hate Leon again.
Dias: 7/10. Can't really defend this one. I don't even like his personality at all, just something about his design and backstory is interesting.
Noel: 2/10. Waste.
Chisato 6/10. Amusing and spunky, though nothing too above average.
Welch: 3/10. 3 points for a couple of amusing PAs.
Shin: 0/10. Repeated unwinnable boss fight? Joy.
Berle: 5/10. On one hand, unwinnable boss fight. On the other I really like his style.
Shiego: 2/10. Meh.
Marsilio: 4/10. Meh.
Nicolus: DNR
Ruprecht: DNR
Jibril: DNR
Vesper: 5/10
Decus: 5/10
Cyril: 6/10. A bastard, probably made that way for Indalecio's amusement.
Indalecio: 8/10. When you realize how screwed up Nede was and how dicked over Dr. Lantis was, Indalecio makes a whole lot more sense.
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Claude: 7/10. Likable enough fellow. Has a few good lines amidst a bad translation. I'd say that was about 70 points. Also gets the development shown at the end of world 1, where he demonstrates that he has found something he believes is worth fighting for and caring about (the choice was emotional and silly, but contrasted with his unattached self it is development).
Rena: 6/10. Very generic female lead? But she works well enough to be respectable, and I ended up liking her more than maybe I can justify objectively so a bonus point she gets.
Celine: 6/10. Point for the bathrobe or something.
Ashton: 6/10. Points for the dragons~
Precis: 2/10. ARGH. VOICE.
Bowman: 4/10. I have little love for him.
Opera: 3/10. Barely exists even if you do get her.
Ernest: 2/10. Exists EVEN LESS.
Leon: 2/10. There is a reason we want you dead.
Dias: 5/10. Emo swordsman, but he pulls it off.
Noel: 2/10. More with the failures.
Chisato: 5/10. She actually has personality, so I can give her average here.
Welch
Shin: 2/10. RAR I AM EVIL EAT YOUR FACE OFF.
Berle: 2/10 Boring lamer.
Shiego: 3/10 LAZER CAPS
Marsilio: 2/10 more boring lamer.
Nicolus: 1/10 even WORSE.
Ruprecht: 1/10 the trio of fail wise men does indeed fail...
Jibril: 2/10 point for eating you.
Vesper: 2/10 boring but better than the scrubs.
Decus: 5/10 I WILL BURN YOU TO YOUR BONES!!! earns points as comedy.
Cyril: 4/10 tries to bribe you into helping him betray his master... that's... something.
Indalecio: 6/10. He has style and I can not knock him for that. I suppose if you know the history of Dr. Landis then he has some motivation to go along with it? But honestly by the time you fight him he really IS just a machine running on the purpose of 'destroy the world'. But still gets points for style.
New game:
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri: 10/10. Damned if Yuri isn't a ton of fun, which may warrant this score by itself. He does have character worth as well. Yuri at the beginning of the game has essentially given up on life, and is profoundly frustrated at his inability to change anything. As the game goes on he finds a way to channel his frustration to make a positive difference, becoming a (dark) hero in the process. It isn't a groundbreaking story, but it is certainly well executed.
Estelle: 8/10. She is fun bouncing off the others but she herself has some weird development. She mostly gains experience in the world, but it serves to let her try and find ways to channel her natural benevolence... even if she at times comes off as spoiled or selfish along the way by dragging others into oftentimes farfetched or dangerous quests. This might have cost points, but being called out on it makes it a part of her development.
Repede: 8/10. He's a fucking badass dog with an eyepatch who fights with a dagger in his mouth. He has attachments that involve dolls of the other characters riding on him. He has the sidequest with the big bad wolf where he talks! (sorta kinda). Yeah we love Repede.
Karol: 8/10. He's the buttmonkey of the party. He serves this purpose fantastically and has good interaction with everyone. Then as the game goes on he gets one small step of confrontation and engagement at a time to go from a cowardly little kid to a full-on badass. Also serves as a major factor in some of the game's funniest moments, along with Yuri.
Rita: 8/10. Rita is such a bitch. But it's (mostly) a very good act to cover up the fact that she just hasn't developed relationships with PEOPLE like she should. The fact that she treated inanimate objects as her friends, and even outright loved them is evidence of a very broken girl. Her learning to love people over the course of the game is a fairly big deal that is somewhat understated. For all that she is immensely amusing as an angry WMD waiting to be triggered, she honestly does get some decent development.
Raven: 5/10. Is Raven. I might give him a point for being amusing but the hotsprings thing makes me take it away. He needed more beating for that crap.
Judy: 8/10. Pretty and damned stylish, with a first impression that hooked me immediately. Besides that, she accumulates a lot of little scenes that make her lots of fun, much like Yuri. Besides that I liked what they did with her sidequest, since it explains WHY she was doing what she was doing, and why she so badly wanted to keep everyone else out of it.
Flynn: 7/10. A foil for Yuri and a very effective one. Doesn't get the screentime he does to really shine, although he is amusing at times. Like in the 100 monster fight.
The PC cast in this game just works really well with each other, nurturing one another and having a lot of scenes to demonstrate what their characters are and how they develop.
Alexei: 3/10. Wanker. Gets no explanation for WHY he is such a god damned wanker.
Duke: 3/10. Points for being at least explained and having a consistent set of appearances.
Don Whitehorse: 7/10. Awesome UOM. On top of that has a stylish as hell exit.
Yeager: 7/10. Yeager is stylish and his last fight is suitably cool. Also namedrops two other Tales games without you realizing it! And evil german.
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Claude That'll be around 5/10 points
Rena 4/10 voice sucks
Celine 5/10 did nothing
Ashton 6/10 okay I guess
Precis 3/10 voice sucks
Bowman 5/10 did nothing
Opera 5/10 did nothing
Ernest 5/10 did nothing
Leon 5/10 did nothing
Dias 6/10 eh
Noel 5/10 did nothing
Chisato 5/10 ignoring BtS here
Welch 5/10 did nothing
Shin 5/10 did nothing
Berle 5/10 DID NOTHING
Shiego 5/10 did nothing
Marsilio 5/10 did nothing
Nicolus 5/10 did nothing
Ruprecht 6/10 extra point for tuning fork
Jibril 5/10 did nothing
Vesper 5/10 did nothing
Decus 7/10 OH IT'S SO HOT I'M GOING TO DIE
Cyril 5/10 did nothing
Indalecio 5/10 did nothing
New game:
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri 9/10 Really liked him a bunch.
Estelle 7/10 sure okay
Repede 10/10 owns owns owns
Karol 6/10 Has one good scene
Rita 5/10 feh
Raven 5/10 His character was sort of nonsensical and I wish they did the big reveal later. His 'ladies man's thick never really worked, but he wasn't offensive as such.
Judy 6/10 alright I guesss
Flynn 5/10 Eh
Alexei 2/10 sucks
Duke 1/10 everything wrong with jRPG cliches today
Don Whitehorse 5/10 meh
Yeager. 5/10 Evil German #3523432
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FAILURE ALLEY:
1. Ko: 0.00, 667 votes.
There we go
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri - 9
Estelle - 5
Repede - 10
Karol - 6
Rita - 8
Raven - 6.5
Judy - 8
Flynn - 5
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Classic game:
Star Ocean 2
Claude - Hm, yeah, worked as a kid trying to make the best of being stranded in the ass end of the galaxy. 7/10
Rena - Bland female love interest. 3/10.
Celine - Had a few moments. 3.5/10
Ashton - I kinda felt sorry for the poor guy when I first played. 6/10
Precis - Don't really feel like docking points for bad VA. That said, had a few moments, plus she manages to be likeable enough. 5/10
Bowman - Existed. 2.5/10
Opera - Existed. 2.5/10
Ernest - Existed. 2.5/10
Leon - He deserved to be smacked upside the head. 1/10
Dias - Lookit me I am wandering badass plagued by inner tragedy. 2/10
Noel - Barely existed. 2/10
Chisato - Existed. 2.5/10
Welch - Abstain, didn't play PSP version.
Shin - DNR, fails to exist.
Berle - Rarminion. 1/10
Shiego - RARMINION. 1/10
Marsilio - Rarminion. 1/10
Nicolus - Rarminion. 1/10
Ruprecht - Rarminion. 1/10
Jibril - Rarminion. Gets a point for omnomnom. 2/10
Vesper - Rarminion. 1/10
Decus - OH IT'S SO HOT I'M GOING TO DIE. Also rarminion. 3/10
Cyril - oh hey lookit me I'm gonna overthrow my boss for no reason. 2/10
Indalecio - Eh, style is worth points. 4/10.
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Claude- 7/10. Solid character who generally makes the best of a bad situation (Both game wise andhow shitty the plot is wise)
Rena- 5/10. Bounces well off Dias and Claude.
Celine- Pass.
Ashton- 4.5/10. Sure, he's not offensive and has his moments.
Precis- 3/10. Augh, yes.
Bowman- 5.5/10. Generally amusing.
Opera- 3/10. What Pyro said.
Ernest- 4/10. Has a few good lines.
Leon- 2/10. go away
Dias- 7/10. Good character work in Claude's path in particular. He was a jerk, but also sort of a mentor figure to both Claude and Rena. His jerkiness also has a logically explained reason.
Noel- 2/10. Fail.
Chisato- 3/10. Barely noticed her in game.
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri- 8.5/10. Good character, but not as good as Luke offhand. Also disliked some of what he did.
Estelle- 7/10. The innocent princess stereotype. She works for what she is.
Repede- 8.5/10. Amazingly good for a dog character. He adds some much needed comedy to the game.
Karol- 7/10. Annoying but well done.
Rita- Pass. I don't have an opinion.
Raven- 1.5/10. Fuck. OFF. I like him less and less when I reflect on ToV. He usually isn't funny and is rarely interesting outside of his role in the war before the game. His big scene is just bad on so many levels.
Judy- Pass. Apparently I missed her good scenes or something.
Flynn- 8.5/10- Good foil to Yuri. Needed more camera time.
Alexei- 1/10 Terrible, but also has next to no role in the game itself.
Duke- 0/10 Is a XS villian. Die.
Don Whitehorse- 6/10. Solid enough.
Yeager- 3/10. Not good or especially memorable outside of one scene during *spoilers* funeral.
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Claude- 5/10. 'salright. It's all downhill from here.
Rena- 4/10.
Celine- 4/10.
Ashton- Abstain.
Precis- Abstain.
Bowman- 3/10. OK makes him better than he should be. He's still barely there.
Opera- Abstain.
Ernest- Abstain.
Leon- 2/10. ON the plus side, I can leave him to die on Expel!
Dias- 4/10. Could be worse.
Noel- 2/10.
Chisato- Abstain.
Shin- 3/10. This is the Wisemen's herald guy on Expel, yes? I remember him more than half his bosses even if I forget his name.
Berle- 3/10.
Shiego- 2/10.
Marsilio- 3/10.
Nicolus- 1/10.
Ruprecht- 1/10.
Jibril- 1/10.
Vesper- 2/10.
Decus- 5/10.
Cyril- 3/10. His fail is a little funnier than some of the others.
Indalecio- 3/10.
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri- 9/10. I think I gave Luke a 9 anyway, even feels about right.
Estelle- 7/10. A little bland on her own, but I like the way she and Rita go together.
Repede- 6/10. Works well enough.
Karol- 5/10.
Rita- 8/10. The reincarnation of Lina Inverse.
Raven- 4/10.
Judy- 7/10. I really enjoy her and Yuri's flirty interplay. The rest of the character could be better but isn't offensive such that it detracts from this.
Flynn- 8/10.
Alexei- 2/10.
Duke- 3/10. If nothing else, he gets a point over Alexei for actually having sense beaten into him rather than just dying like a douche.
Don Whitehorse- 7/10. He's not a terribly interesting or original character, but the game really knew exactly how to use him.
Yeager- 5/10. He's better dead than alive! It's sorta neat.
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Claude - 5.5 - I liked him but I see little worth there.
Rena - 4.5 - I liked her for being an option for the main character, but then her story was stupid.
Celine - 6.5 - Funny in her PAs
Ashton - 10 - The reason I like the game to this day.
Precis - 5 - Because despite hating her archetype, I don't want her dead.
Bowman - 6 - Doctor dude. Had some fun PAs. Being a cheating husband was a weird touch in a PS1 RPG, so I found him memorable.
Opera - 4.5 - Adult woman. Loses points for making you miss Ashton.
Ernest - 3 - Worse.
Leon - 5.5 - Passable.
Dias - 2.5 - I hate him. He's pretty much every male stereotype I hate.
Noel - 4 - Just there.
Chisato - 6 - Had a personality!
Welch - Pass
Shin
Berle
Shiego
Marsilio
Nicolus
Ruprecht
Jibril
Vesper
Decus
Cyril
Indalecio - 6 - Decent.
New game:
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri - 10
Estelle - 7
Repede - 8
Karol - 7
Rita - 8.5
Raven - 6
Judy - 10 - Really struck a chord with me. Criminally underused, but her sidequest helps.
Flynn - 7
Alexei - 4
Duke - 4
Don Whitehorse - 6.5
Yeager - 7
WRITE-IN:
Adeccor and Bocos - 7 - What Meeple Said
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Bumping this, going to tally this up next Friday. Vote now!
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Star Ocean 2/Star Ocean 2 PSP
The individual voter can decide on how to balance the PSX and PSP remakes together. Please don't give me separate scores, I won't count either of them if you do that. One score per character, please.
Claude - 4/10
Rena - 6/10
Celine - 6/10
Ashton - 7/10 Barrel~
Precis - 2/10
Bowman - 5/10
Opera - 4/10
Ernest - 4/10
Leon - 1/10
Dias - 2/10
Noel - 4/10
Chisato - 5/10
Welch
Shin - Who?/10
Berle - Did he do stuff?/10
Shiego - Who?/10
Marsilio - Did he do stuff?/10
Nicolus - Who?/10
Ruprecht - Who?/10
Jibril - Who?/10
Vesper - Who?/10
Decus - Did he do stuff?/10
Cyril - Did he do stuff?/10
Indalecio - Did he do stuff?/10
New game:
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri - 10/10
Estelle - 9/10
Repede - 8/10
Karol - 3/10
Rita - 9/10
Raven - 3/10
Judy - 6/10
Flynn - 7/10
Alexei - 3/10
Duke - 1/10
Don Whitehorse - 8/10
Yeager - 8/10
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Tales of Vesperia
Yuri - 10/10
Estelle - 7/10
Repede - 10/10
Karol - 4/10
Rita - 4/10
Raven - 5/10
Judy - 9/10
Flynn - 7/10
Alexei - 1/10
Duke - 3/10
Don Whitehorse - 7/10
Yeager - 8/10
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This closes in two days. Vote now!
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Star Ocean 2:
Claude: 6/10. I guess I Sympathized with him and such, but there's not much there otherwise...I blame Disc 2 really.
Rena: 4/10. She was fine at first, but then they did like nothing with her...then added a really stupid plot twist on her which docks a point.
Celine: 4/10. Cliche they do nothing interesting with.
Ashton: 6/10. Had some amusing moments.
Precis: 2/10. Apathy, then I dock a point for genuinely PAINFUL VA.
Bowman: 3/10. Apathy.
Opera: 4/10. She was slightly more amusing than the apathy characters, but that's about it.
Ernest: 3/10. Docking a point for being worthless and what not.
Leon: 3/10. Annoying stuck up little kid.
Dias: 5/10. You know, he's the kind of character you think you'd hate more, but turns out there's not much to hate! Why isn't he higher? Well, if Disc 2 actually did something to build upon what he actually HAD, I'd feel like I cared more.
Noel: 2.5/10. Apathy + Sucks in battle docks him half a point.
Chisato: 4/10. I like the idea behind her, a News Reporter whose willing to go to ANY LENGTH FOR A STORY...but they did practically nothing with it.
Welch: Abstain; haven't played the remake.
Shin: 2/10. Generic Henchman lamer.
Berle: 2/10. Generic villain lamer.
Shiego: 3/10. GAINS A POINT FOR TALKING LIKE THIS!!!! Why? I don't know.
Marsilio: 2/10. Man...
Nicolus: 2/10. The Wisemen...
Ruprecht: 2/10. Really...
Jibril: 2/10. Suck.
Vesper: 2/10. ASS!
Decus: 3/10. ...ok, at least he's memetastic, that'll give him a point?
Cyril: 4/10. 2 points gained entirely for the battle theme and being slightly more memorable as a character due to the whole "I'm going to outdo our boss thing!" God damn is this villainous collective failures. BUT THERE'S ONE MORE!
Indalecio: 3/10. Oh wait, he's only slightly less lame than the rest *PUNTS*
New game:
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri: 9/10. Um, yeah, he's just really awesome. Just seems to be lacking something for me to give him a 10/10, but yeah, damn fine main character.
Estelle: 7/10. Well done parody on the Naive Princess stereotype, and bounces off Yuri's practicalness as a foil rather well.
Repede: 7/10. He's god damn Repede; that's all I need to say.
Karol: 6/10. He was alright, but took a little too long to become likable, and I felt like you're suppose to like him earlier than that.
Rita: 7.5/10. A character who actually makes the "Is always pissed off!" thing likable? Wow, congrats!
Raven: 6.5/10. Funny, and some half decent serious stuff. Still kind of wanted more though.
Judy: 5/10. She's alright, but felt so...I dunno. No, its not something that learning her backstory would help with; the game just doesn't do really much with her the entire way after a nice strong start.
Flynn: 8/10. Damn good foil for Yuri. Most characters like him would be annoying pricks who are all "NO! LAW IS ABSOLUTE!", but Flynn actually shows willingness for compromise, if frowning upon it at the same time, and best part? He never actually opposes Yuri in any sort of confrontational way; its always more of a second guessing kind "Are you sure you know what you're doing?" kind of way, which really sold the fact that the two were genuine friends, with different views on things, instead of the cliched "We were friends in the past, BUT NOW WE CAN'T AGREE SO WE'RE ENEMIES!" idiocy that just about every game has. Kudos to Flynn for that reason alone.
man, ToV's cast is really strong, but I feel like there's something I'm forgetting...
Alexei: 2/10. OH THAT'S RIGHT. The villain cast is REALLY FUCKING AWFUL, and Alexei is a good example of that.
Duke: 1/10. See, at least in Alexei's case, they tried to justify his dickery, but they did nothing with it and its just stupid. Duke? He's inconsistent, they make him mysterious and clearly villainous from the get go, then try to pretend he's NOT, almost like to say 'See? We can make this guy a good guy!' only to then go "NO HE'S THE BAD GUY!" HIs reasons are stupid and...ugh, yeah, did not like him, and I don't even think there was any potential to make him good based on the direction they took him, which just makes me wonder why they even bothered to make him like this AT ALL.
Don Whitehorse: 6/10. Cool UOM, just wish they did more with him.
Yeager: 5/10. Has a cool accent, and his final scene kind of salvages him, but otherwise he's a generic henchman.
WRITE IN:
Addecor and Bocos: 7/10. Putting their ranking together cause I can't realistically rank them separately! Anyway, funny incompetent idiots who are the spiritual successors of Solt and Peppor.
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Last call, updating tonight. Vote now!
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Star Ocean 2/Star Ocean 2 PSP-
Claude: 7/10
Rena: 7/10
Celine: 9/10
Ashton: 6/10
Precis : 6/10
Bowman: 5/10
Opera: 6.5/10
Ernest: 4/10
Leon: 3/10
Dias: 8/10
Noel: 4/10
Chisato: 4.5/10
Indalecio: 5.5/10
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri: 8/10
Estelle : 7.5/10
Repede: 8/10
Karol: 7/10
Rita: 8/10
Raven: 7/10
Judy: 6.5/10
Flynn: 6/10
Alexei: 4/10
Duke: 5/10
Don Whitehorse: 7/10
Yeager: 4.5/10
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I knew I forgot something. Updating this weekend. Duuur.
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Claude 8 PEAR INTO PEACHES
Rena 8- I'm COMING
Celine 8- Shes from Mars
Ashton 10- BARREL BARREL BARREL
Precis- 8
Bowman- 3
Opera -8
Ernest -1 Die Ernest
Leon- 5 cute at least
Dias 5- so over hyped
Noel 4- I kind of feel bad for him
Chisato 10
Welch- DNR
Shin- DNR
Berle-1
Shiego-1
Marsilio-1
Nicolus-1
Ruprecht-1 I had a teacher whose last name was Ruprecht. Doesnt give him more than a 1.
Jibril- 2 (+1 for nom nom)
Vesper-1
Decus- 5 OW ITS HOT
Cyril- 3
Indalecio -5
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Claude-4
Rena-4
Celine-3
Ashton-4
Precis-3
Bowman-3
Opera-3
Ernest-2
Leon-2
Dias-3
Noel-1
Chisato-2
Welch-2
Shin-0
Berle-0
Shiego-0
Marsilio-0
Nicolus-0
Ruprecht-0
Jibril-0
Vesper-0
Decus-0
Cyril-0
Indalecio-0
New game:
Tales of Vesperia
Yuri-9
Estelle-7
Repede-7
Karol-6
Rita-7
Raven-4
Judy-8
Flynn-8
Alexei-3
Duke-1
Don Whitehorse-5
Yeager-5
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I knew I forgot something. Updating this weekend. Duuur.
Literally how a pro Ko operates
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If Dune doesn't get to this within the next 2 days (when I get back to Morgantown), I am hi-jacking it. Next games will be Eternal Sonata and Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow.
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You're welcome to it, have fun.
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Note: I played roughly up to the end of the first disc and got bored. I also didn't get all the characters, and it's been years so I don't remember stuff that well.
However, suck it.
Claude - Generic fantasy hero. 5/10
Rena - Bland female love interest. 5/10.
Celine - About as much personality as DQ3 Wizard. 2/10
Ashton - More personality than Claude? 6/10
Precis - Don't remember/10
Bowman - OK hype aside, dull. 2/10
Opera - Don't remember/10
Ernest - Didn't get him/10
Leon - On the one hand, his character actually managed to evoke an emotion out of me. On the other hand, that emotion was rage. +2 points... split between the two characters I gave 1 to before I remembered him. 1/10
Dias - Generic brooding swordsman. 5/10
The rest: Don't remember or didn't get that far.
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Star Ocean 2/Star Ocean 2 PSP (13)
Claude - 5.96
Rena - 4.96
Celine - 5.16
Ashton - 6.54
Precis - 4.27
Bowman - 3.84
Opera - 4.31
Ernest - 2.95
Leon - 2.5
Dias - 4.73
Noel - 2.87
Chisato - 4.81
Welch - lolzor fail
Shin
Berle
Shiego
Marsilio
Nicolus
Ruprecht
Jibril
Vesper
Decus
Cyril - These guys all suck and don't get rankings!
Indalecio - 3.78
Tales of Vesperia (11)
Yuri - 9.22
Estelle - 7.13
Repede - 8.22
Karol - 5.9
Rita - 7.3
Raven - 4.86
Judy - 7.35
Flynn - 6.95
Alexei - 2.5
Duke - 2.2
Don Whitehorse - 6.45
Yeager - 5.75
Good
1.Lily: 8.85, 7 votes.
2.Nanako: 8.56, 15 votes.
3.Kanji: 8.40, 15 votes.
4.Dojima: 8.36, 15 votes.
5.Yosuke: 8.20, 15 votes.
6.Flay: 7.93, 16 votes.
7.Auron: 7.84, 19 votes.
8.Flay: 7.71, 7 votes.
9.Sin/Jecht: 7.69, 18 votes.
10.Teddie: 7.63, 15 votes.
Bad
1) Goto: 1.00, 6 votes.
2) Gogo: 2.00, 11 votes, 4 DNR.
3) Duke - 2.2
4) Umaro: 2.45, 11 votes, 4 DNR.
5) Alexei - 2.5
6) Leon Geeste - 2.5
7) Kimarhi: 2.63, 19 votes.
8) Marta: 2.66, 6 votes.
9) Ernest - 2.95
10) Banon: 3.20, 15 votes, 2 DNR.
Man, what an awe-inspiring cast of characters. No one cares about the SO2 villains except Indalecio! Or, really, the entire CAST for that matter >_> . Indalecio is lucky people hate him less than the rest of the cast >_>
Hopefully this time, it will be better!? I've decided to change the new game up a little bit, so people are more interested and familiar with it...
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
Ash
Mom
Professor Oak
Gary Oak
Brock
Misty
Lt. Suge
Erika
Sabrina
Koga
Blaine
Giovanni
Lorelei
Bruno
Agatha
Lance
Jessie
James
Wild ARMs: XF
Clarissa
Felius
Labyrintha
Tony
Ragnar
Levin
Alexia
Edna
Samille
El Jackson
Asgard
Rupert
Eisen
Chelle
Piedras
Charlton
Weisheit
Fear Clymsian
BONUS - TEAM FORTRESS II!!!
Scout
Soldier
Pyro
Demoman
Engineer
Heavy
Spy
Sniper
Medic
Announcer
Scout's Mom
Sniper's Dad
Interpret that last one however you want >_> Write-ins are completely free to be added in! I will accept anything in increments of 0.1. Vote on the characters, but feel free to use anything of the character (voices are acceptable!). Have fun, otherwise!
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Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
Disclaimer: lolpokemoncharacters
Ash - Is a slient main. 2/10
Mom - Is a mom. 3/10
Professor Oak - Is Prof. Oak. 7/10.
Gary Oak - Is the best rival ever or something. 7/10
Brock - Is a dude. 3/10
Misty - Is a chick. 3/10
Lt. Surge - Is a dude. 3/10
Erika - Is a flower chick. 3/10
Sabrina - Is not a teenage witch. 3/10
Koga - Is a better ninja than Ryu Hayabusa. 3/10
Blaine - Is an UOM. 4/10
Giovanni - Is a crime lord. 4/10
Lorelei - Is a chick. 3/10
Bruno - Is a dude. 3/10
Agatha - Is a hag. 3/10
Lance - Is a cheater. 2/10
Jessie - Is Jessie. 7/10
James - Is James. 7/10
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Scout 8/10 Has some of the best lines, but also has a whore for a mom and can be obnoxious to deal with
Soldier 10/10 I have personally killed 6,078 men in cold blood while looking them in the eye; jumped on 1,455 live grenades; and stuffed fourteen feet of my own intestine back into my stomach.
If that doesn't scare you out of your frilly pink leotards, guess what: You are an idiot and you hate America.
Pyro 6/10 HUDDA HUDDA HUDDA! Also annoying to deal with, if they airblast spam. Sweet if you pull off that reflected Huntsman kill.
Demoman 4/10 Cursed OP Demoman! The only reason the War was even close is because they cheated!
Engineer 6/10 He's pretty laid back as a character, which kind of hurts him considering the competition. Gets points for GOTTA MOVE THAT GEAR UP!
Heavy 10/10 Kills Tiny Cowards, enjoys Sandvich. Not big surprise.
Spy 9/10 Best Meet the ______ Video, some of the best domination lines, also I've been on a roll so far as getting MVP with him on pub servers lately.
Sniper 9/10 I actually prefer his earlier domination lines. So utterly coldblooded and chilling. "Oh my god you've been shot...did you get a look at the handsome bloke who did it?"
Medic 7/10 His domination laughs are extremely creepy and well done, but to get them you have to battle-medic and also he's a Nazi.
Announcer 6/10 OVERTIME! OVERTIME! OVERTIME! OVERTIME! OVERTIME!
Scout's Mom 3/10 slut
Sniper's Dad 2/10 what a dick
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Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
Ash: 3/10 Silent main/ annoying voiced guy. Either way.
Mom: 4/10
Professor Oak: 7/10 Oak Meme is worth this much? Sure. Why not.
Gary Oak: 5/10 I laughed at the over-the-topness
Brock: 6/10 Gets a point for just how badly he can't score.
Misty: 3/10. Is there a point to her?
Giovanni: 2/10. He's a villain so I figured I should put him here...
Jessie: 7/10 Iconic.
James: 7/10 Iconic.
Wild ARMs: XF
Clarissa: 8/10. I found her rather decent as far as conflicts. Also totally asks Alexia out on a date like 10 minutes after meeting her.
Felius: 5/10. Is boring but not bad as far as motives and actions/lines go.
Labyrintha: 7/10 Is a VERY capable woman. Labby is fun although she needs to harp on her age less. You're hot! Embrace it!
Tony: 6/10. Less awesome than Repede, more awesome than your average mutt!
Ragnar: 5/10. The stuff with Chelle made me laugh at just how much of a sexist pig he really is. I find this amusing, others may not.
Levin: 7/10. Deconstruction of the heroic main! Yes!
Alexia: 8/10. She may not have had too much development, but she was a lot of fun. Also totally wanted Clarissa.
Edna: 8/10. Edna is a villainess you love to hate. She's great.
Samille: 5/10 Average for the name.
El Jackson: 5/10 see above.
Asgard: DNR.
Rupert: 8/10 Slimy ass villain who doesn't pretend to be much else. He manages to accomplish his role perfectly, and is again someone you love to hate. The interactions with the Martial Guard at the end were cool too. He basically had followers and people who respected him, and didn't understand why that was or what the hell that meant. Basically Rupert never actually understood his own gifts, and so never trusted others who trusted him. Funny how it all worked out.
Eisen: 4/10. WALL OF ELESIUS. Nah. Points for being a thorn in the council's side.
Chelle: 5/10. RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT!!! She was hot. She served as a decent enough villain for a while. She translated Mr. RAR EAT BABIES into comprehensible english.
Piedras: 3/10. RAR I EAT BABIES. Point for actually eating people.
Charlton: 8/10. Charlton is damn stylish. Knew what he wanted, knew why he wanted it, and (thought he) knew how to get it. His ending left me with even more respect for his character. Also music hype.
Weisheit: 6/10. So damn creepy. He has some great lunatic rants but he loses a point or two for showing up one too many times.
Fear Clymsian: 8/10. Rounding out the cast of great villains. She was interesting side-dressing for a while until the lunacy set in. Then she just completely upstaged everyone in the villain cast in a very cool way and positioned herself to be the final showdown. I smiled whenever she was having fun~
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Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
Ash- 0/10.
Mom- 3/10.
Professor Oak- 4/10.
Gary Oak- 5/10. His jackassery was amusing.
Brock- 3/10. The random underlings that look up to him are much more memorable.
Misty- 3/10.
Lt. Suge- 2/10.
Erika- 4/10. Her utter spaciness actually comes through. It's weird.
Sabrina- 2/10.
Koga- 3/10.
Blaine- 4/10. The fact that his gym is a quiz game gives him something.
Giovanni- 4/10.
Lorelei- 2/10.
Bruno- 2/10.
Agatha- 3/10. Has the hots for Prof. Oak.
Lance- 2/10.
Jessie- 1/10.
James- 1/10. Annoying bitches.
Wild ARMs: XF
Clarissa- 6/10. Not terribly interesting, but endearing.
Felius- 4/10. zzz.
Labyrintha- 6/10. Very capable woman. Very capable.
Tony- 4/10. FIND PRINCESS. HUMP LEG.
Ragnar- 3/10. Earns his hate, but isn't... loud enough about it to be hardcore offensive.
Levin- 5/10. I like the game's take on the love triangle, but that's all that really stand out about Levin.
Alexia- 5/10.
Edna- 7/10. Very good at what she does.
Samille- 4/10.
El Jackson- 4/10. Didn't stand out to me much... not enough to catch the pun anyway.
Asgard- DNR.
Rupert- 6/10. Pretty convincing in the small time (but competent) villain role. Used to maximum effect in general.
Eisen- 4/10. About as retarded as Ragnar, ideologically. Point for his whole "waste time to keep royal guard from being abused" thing actually being kinda clever, though.
Chelle- 4/10. I kinda like Chelle and I dunno why. So we'll keep this low.
Piedras- 5/10. Elfboy makes him funny.
Charlton- 8/10. Most compelling character in the cast.
Weisheit- 5/10. Really effective at the start, but comes unhinged way too early. The stalker vibe isn't as much fun when it's so over the top.
Fear Clymsian- 6/10. Good force of nature menace. Leads to a great ending.
WRITE-IN Katrina-7/10. Easily the best non-villain character. They explored her handicap in a surprising way (ie not making it an advantage), and while I don't want to give her awesome creepiness too much credit (because the line between her and the Fear Clysmian is very blurred there), always sympathetic and again, I love the end.
(The merged character would probably be an 8, definitely a good contrast to the other villains and on a par with Charlton, but... yeah, I'd rather judge them separately.)
EDIT: WRITE-IN AGAIN Hrathnir- 6/10. Has a couple great scenes with Clarissa and Katrina, and blows himself up to save the kingdom. What's not to love?
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I heard TF2 Hijack
Scout - Amusing, but has a pretty severe inferiority complex that in turn makes him obnoxious. However, he is also the most fun class to play so 10/10
Soldier - He is a gun-toting nut who either is deluded into thinking he actually served in WW2 or actually served in WW2 without being part of the army. Also, what Trips said. 9/10
Pyro - LOL IS IT A MAN OR A WOMAN? Also, fires. 6/10
Demoman - A manically depressed black Scotsman who lost his eye and, due to his career as a Demoman is bound to lose his other eye. More importantly, he is a FAMILY MAN and he LOVES HIS MOTHER. And is an ALCOHOLIC. 10/10
Engineer - Dell is the most 'normal' of them all, which clearly means he's the 'craziest'. Dude cut off his arm to replace it with a robot arm. Not balanced. 7/10
Heavy - Simplistic, yet brilliant. 10/10
Cry some moar.
Spy - Loses points for Teletori face stab, then gains them again because that only happens to Laggy. Is also awesome. 10/10
Sniper - He is a PROFESSIONAL and he ACTS LIKE ONE. 10/10
Medic - From his bio:
What he lacks in compassion for the sick, respect for human dignity, and any sort of verifiable formal training in medicine, the Medic more than makes up for with a bottomless supply of giant needles and a trembling enthusiasm for plunging them into exposed flesh. Raised in Stuttgart, Germany during an era when the Hippocratic oath had been downgraded to an optional Hippocratic suggestion, the Medic considers healing a generally unintended side effect of satisfying his own morbid curiosity.
10/10
Announcer - OOOOOH, GOD, THE BOMB'S ALMOST REACHED THE CHECKPOINT! HARDER, FASTER, HAAAAAAAARDER 7/10
Scout's Mom - Whore, and the reason for all of Scout's mental problems. 4/10
Sniper's Dad - Dads just never understand. 2/10
EDIT: Saxton Hale: 11/10 too much man for rating limits
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Scout 9.5/10 Literally deforms his legs to do the job but his official plot is a bit boring but then again bonk bonk bonk
Soldier 10/10 He earned every one of those medals he made
Pyro 6/10 +1 point for those pro taunts
Demoman 10/10 Respectable drunken family man is OP, TF2 gives us good moral values
Engineer 7.5/10 Really moves that gear up and plays a pro guitar
Heavy 10/10 Just too much man for those tiny baby men
Spy 10/10 Pro Spy play is 300 ping+W+M1, also "'This is Scout! Rainbows make me cry! Over!"
Sniper 10/10 "Once upon a time you died and I lived happily ever after, the end"
Medic 6/10 Sure he's important but he ruins everything and like Trips says, he's a Nazi!
Announcer 6/10 "Warning! A friendship has been detected!" OVERTIME OVERTIME OVERTIME
Scout's Mom 3/10 slut
Sniper's Dad 2/10 what a dick
Saxton Hale 10/10 WE WILL GIVE YOU A TROPHY
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Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
Ash: 2/10
Mom: 2/10
Professor Oak: 8/10
Gary fucking Oak: 10/10 http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/halolz-dot-com-pokemontvshow-garyfuckingoak-motivational.jpg
Brock Who?
Misty Who?
Lt. Suge Who?
Erika Who?
Sabrina 3/10
Koga Who?
Blaine Who?
Giovanni 5/10 plot twist
Lorelei WHO?
Bruno who?
Agatha who?
Lance who?
Jessie who?
James who?
Wild ARMs: XF
Clarissa 6/10. She's not bad. A little bit Virginiaesque at points, tends to blather the same cliche phrase over and over, but she's cute.
Felius 4/10. Gets points for me thinking he was evil in C1
Labyrintha 7/10. Hey it's Sopko.
Tony 4/10. Tee hee.
Ragnar 0/10. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!!? THIS BLATHERING, HYPOCRITICAL, TOTALLY GODDAMN WORTHLESS MISOGYNIST IDIOT DOES NOT DESERVE SCORES ABOVE ZERO!!! WHY, WHY GOD!! WHY DOES HE HAVE SO MANY LINES!??
Levin 7/10. I like 'im, he's cute.
Alexia 4/10 Fairly neutral.
Edna: 8/10. So bad it's awesome. I love her evil.
Samille: 5/10. Amusing.
El Jackson 5/10. Amusing.
Asgard DNR
Rupert 8/10. Shweet.
Eisen: 2/10 A loser.
Chelle: 0/10. STOP. MAKING. RAGNAR. TALK. Also makes Ragnar seem rational.
Piedras 2/10.
Charlton: 9/10. Awesome.
Weisheit: 3/10. Kinda weird but cool in his/her own way.
Fear Clymsian: Um, I'm not clear on who is being ranked here. 2/10 for the entity itself, 8/10 for the character who it actually is.
Katrina: 8/10.
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Wild ARMs: XF
Clarissa- 6/10. Didn't hate her, didn't adore her. She did have plenty of good scenes in spite of some annoyance value.
Felius- 3/10. Bad. He had zero personality and was even an archtype I usually like! Augh.
Labyrintha- 5/10- Solid! Except for OH I AM SO OLD AT 34- shut the fuck up please, thanks
Tony- 5/10- Dog.
Ragnar- 0/10- Gawn level failure. Not funny, not interesting, and always obnoxious.
Levin- 6/10. Needed to talk less with Ragnar.
Alexia- 6/10. Had amusing lines.
Edna- 8/10. Total slimeball.
Samille- Pass
El Jackson- Pass
Asgard- DNR
Rupert- 9/10. One of my favorite villains. He's a total scumbag, but he also comes across as very human and relatable in his douchebaggery. It helps that he's your eyes into the villain cast.
Eisen- 3/10. Fails so bad later on.
Chelle- 0/10- STOP MAKING RAGNAR SPEAK FOR GOD'S SAKES
Piedras- Pass
Charlton- 7.5/10. My biggest beef with Charlton is that the game did a piss poor job presenting his argument he made to Labby when she got captured in chapter 2. It is a very vaild point, and one we see bits of proof that show he may be right! But... the game doesn't give us enough to go on there. Has tons of style.
Weisheit- 2/10- go away
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Wild ARMs: XF
Aw man, XF. I did enjoy XF but I have some serious plot complaints about it. I do appreciate that it TRIED and hence was even worthy of nitpicking. Anyway, since this is rank-the-characters, there is the somewhat subjective question of when I blame a character for a stupid plot point they're involved in. Sometimes the issue is just too minor and it's easy to shrug off, or seems to be in error, and that's fine; other times I feel the character is acting bizarrely / stupidly and hte plot doesn't seem to realize that, and that's where I'll ding 'em. But this is not exactly a science as to when I'm willing to excuse someone for being involved in a silly / stupid plot. (See: Game Arts games, which often have great characters involved in dumb plots.)
Clarissa - 6/10. Clarissa infuriated me quite a bit, but she was also likable in spite of that. Her decision to participate in Elesius's troubles was reasonably well done I thought, and gave me some respect for her as far as wandering do-gooder. The fact that she apparently wasn't drilled more on how to impersonate Alexia is troubling but I blame a combination of the plot and Labby for that. Anyway, there's a bunch of plots she's involved in that don't make tons of sense, but I can't really finger Clarissa directly on them. I do think they took Clarissa's Mary Sueness a little far in the later chapters but oh well, there's something of an excuse to make the main character important. It's too bad, because I thought the idea of impersonating a princess who's supposed to have kewl powers would be interesting - hey, let's see how by trickery or cleverness we can solve problems meant for an actual Princess Medium! Alas. (Also, on a setting note. The designers totally fail by calling the spirit-talking "Princess Medium." There is nothing established in-game about a situation similar to Falena, where it's really a "Queendom." They call it the Kingdom of Elesius and everything. So... this means that the super-valuable princesses are being MARRIED AWAY and NOT BECOMING QUEEN. Okay that would just be silly, but the game doesn't go into it and doesn't care much aside from "respect the fantasy trope of the wise king, evil cousellor, and damsel in distress.")
Felius - 3/10. I agree with super - I potentially like this trope but they don't do much interesting with it. I do like that Clarissa encourages Felius to find desires of his own, but he never actually DOES. So he's a one note character- whatever Clarissa says yawn. The dimensional nonsense isn't done tremendously well either.
Labyrintha - 8/10. Ah, one of the saving graces of the cast. I liked Labby, she pulled off the advisor role well and her morality was basically correct - she abandoned a cushy post to fight, and fight cleverly, and I respect that. I also liked that she was at least one Elesian commoner in the party - it's a bunch of foreigners and children of Important People otherwise, and she actually brings their concerns at least somewhat up. Two complaints - one, the Chapter 2 prison deal. I thought she had something more of a plan to argue her case with EISEN by staying behind, but I guess it was just tiredness or something, and both she & Charlton came off kind of lame in their conversation - that was not her best presentation of what the rebels were up to. Two, the game at times was either implying that Labby likes playing dress-up, or that she is a creepy older lesbian stalker of Clarissa. If it was the first, the humor was a miss.
Tony - DNR. The plot around him was cute and well-done though.
Ragnar - 2/10. I *think* I see what they were going for with Ragnar, but man, the dialogue was a total miss at conveying it. Nobody talks like that with "Hi I'm here to destroy you all. Er, so I can save you all? Maybe?" Basically large streams of nonsense that need to be tossed out. Anyway, the Black ARMs plotline was done *idiotically* and Ragnar is required to be a total idiot for that plot to even vaguely work (stomp off and don't explain, but lots of people are at fault here). The Hrathnir bit tied into the nonsense that was Ragnar's philosophy. Ragnar vs. Chelle was actually the only scenes were Ragnar even began to work a little. Meh. At least the cooking was good camp.
Levin - 7/10. The other strong member of the cast. Spiky-haired RPG hero but he worked. Involved in some plot points which if taken seriously would imply he has the intelligence of canned tuna, but that happens to everyone, so I'm more inclined to write that off as poor plotting. What made him as far as I'm concerned was that after the very very ridiculous Chapter 2 capital drama, Levin saves the day for the party AND still serves Clarissa. I was fully expecting some silly "you betrayed me!' dialogue where he'd run off alone and we'd have to save him or something, but no, Levin says the right thing - that he was serving the PERSON and the CAUSE, not just "royal authority" or something. A distinction too often missed. (Also one that the game has no excuse for at the end of the capital sequence - been over it in chat, but the actions Charlton takes in the capital are so blatantly evil that no sane patriot would ever support the government, and Eisen, who is portrayed as a good guy, should surely have revolted against even Hrathnir had he made such wannabe-genocidal actions.)
Alexia - 3/10. Man what a disappointment. First off she should have been dead had I been writing the plotline. But given that she isn't, they picked Warrior Princess #73 from central casting and didn't really do anything further.
Katrina - 2/10. The realization that we were meant to take the fact that Katrina doesn't know fear seriously was slow yet horrible. Yes yes it's an RPG and cinematic madness is quite different from real madness, but even given cinematic madness... seriously W. T. F. For an extreme example, smart autists may not have the same sense of empathy as "normal" people but they certainly intellectually understand such concepts. So I was never sold on this idea. And her dialogue is written like... actually I will delete what I wrote here. We're very clearly not supposed to think Katrina is stupid yet that's how she comes off for her age. I guess I do like the fact that she gives Alexia's ARM to Labby in the escape and encourages Labby to continue on, but meh. Her later plot has its moments but I guess Edna gets "credit" for that.
Hrathnir - 5/10. I liked some of his dialogue, like his conversation with Katrina about why she's unfit to take the throne (nice contrast with Edna's explanation, too). The time travel plot was idiotic but I blame the plot writers for that, not him. On the other hand I feel that the game kind of "lets him off the hook" about why the hell his royal council is so evil. Edna's got an excuse, it's a different system, but presumably Hrathnir must have appointed Charlton at one point? And that he wasn't taken sick entirely suddenly? He's also disturbingly blase about politics, saying the equivalent of "I do what I think is right and will probably fail and die" to Ragnar. Uh, dude, this is kind of YOUR JOB to get the politics right. Glad you're admitting flaws but it sounded like you did well enough with Eisen before so why are you falling apart now? Oh, well.
Edna - 8/10. Awesome. The plot folks let her get out of danger in lame ways rather than awesome ways, which is too bad ("look over there! Now I run off in my carriage along the rocky road despite just talking with you 2 seconds ago! Oh no the girl with the gun has blown away my wheels!") but in general served her purpose very well. I was pissed off at her own ending too, as the geography and timeline make *no* sense at all, but oh well. I'd have written it so she gets away with her fortune because she's a damn cockroach in game that doesn't get caught when she damn well should have, so she might as well keep that attribute all the way to the end.
Samille, El Jackson, Asgard - DNR.
Rupert - 7/10. Also pretty good. Canny, clever, ruthless, your eyes to the bad guys. Owns Clarissa repeatedly. In no way should have been appointed head of the Martial Guard but hey, he'll take it! (That more reflects badly on Charlton.)
Eisen - 5/10. Uh. I liked his Chapter 1 plot with wasting time at the COuncil Meetings! I don't mind the idea of his character, either. Unfortunately the late Chapter 2 plot slightly sours me on liking him too much, and then he's mind controlled, and then there's the utterly idiotic second fight with the Royal Knights which lowers their stock some more though I guess that's also just another excuse for a fight. Meh. Coulda been better, definitely.
Chelle - 5/10. RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT! Was persistent pest but never had quite enough presence.
Piedras - 5/10. Existed.
Charlton - 3/10. I'm sorry, Charlton's motive just utterly clashed with the reality of the game, and getting owned by Edna + own plans was about the fittest possible death for him. Anyway, let's see. The Martial Guard is a law unto itself that is basically a bunch of armed bandits extorting from civilians and killing your own people. This is actually not entirely uncommon! This is what happens when you have petty rulers who are more concerned with settling petty scores and stashing money in their Swiss Bank accounts, etc. I would have had no problem at all dealing with a pathetic Robert Mugabe type looting their own country and extracting bribes and "taxes" all the way down. But noooo. Charlton is apparently a patriot who believes in Law & Order? Whut? Then starting up something like the Martial Guard to LOOT YOUR OWN COUNTRY is about the worst possible way to do it! You already had law & order! Alternatively, they could have made the Martial Guard the equivalent of Hitler / Mussolini's Blackshirts / Brownshirts and have had them a semi-organized paramilitary terror force whose job was to settle scores and intimidate political opponents. That's a way to make a chaotic group serve a order objective. Except they didn't! There were no Jews / socialists the government hated and hence a reason for the Martial Guard to exist. So what's the deal? I mean, it's been done a zillion times before. But if Charlton wanted to militarize the country because war is awesome... then START A WAR! A *foreign* war! That way your troops are looting and pillaging somewhere else, and the burst of patriotic fervor will unify Elesius like you want! ...sigh. If anyone bears blame for the Chapter 2 nuttiness it's also Charlton - again, if we're supposed to respect Charlton as merely someone with a different vision for Elesius, why is he trying to blow up the *entire* capital?! I love England so much I will blow up London? ...sigh. This wasn't "get rid of Shell 7 where all the people we don't care about live." Generally unimpressed with his other plans as well, though that was partially intended I guess. Just... the motive is important here, and the clash here was *extreme*.
Weisheit - 5/10. Creepy at first when he's the Merchant of Death. Pathetic later. But I guess that was part of the plan. Gets a point for not wanting to blow up the world after all.
Fear Clymsian - 5/10 - Dialogue at the end is generic "HAHAHA DOOOOOOM" heard a zillion times before. But does get serious credit for one scene (shared with K?), the battle where all the Martial Guard are confused and sent into paranoid darkness because it's fun and delicious delicious fear. That was pretty badass.
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BONUS - TEAM FORTRESS II!!!
So chat was mentioning TF7 awhile back, which of course brought to mind a different TF-number. Actually the casts fits pretty well...
SOLDIER- Cloud /10, obvious, also both jump into the air and rain explosive destruction on their enemies.
Medic - Aeris /10, heals buddies then limits and either makes them invincible or fills up their own limit gauges for constant crits.
Sniper - Vincent /10, hangs in the back row with a 255% accuracy weapon called the Sniper and should be equipped with Deathblow.
Spy - Yuffie / 10, also pretty obvious, has silly sneaky tricks and then plonks you in the head.
Demoman + Heavy - Barret / 10, he's pretty much both, shoots a big machine gun / has a boxing glove weapon / blows stuff up.
Engineer- Cid /10, this one is also obvious, though the Engineer is too polite here.
In the stretch category..
Pyro - (Red) 13/10?! Is Red, starts with Fire materia, is (potentially?!) non-human? Talks too much though.
Scout - Tifa /10? Well Tifa is portrayed as mobile but comparatively frail in some of the FF7 stuff.
Announcer - Cait Sith / 10? Reeve sits in Shinra HQ the entire game and remotely controls both sides for his own amusement. I guess.
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Wild ARMs: XF
Clarissa: 6/10. Her conflict over the princess lie was good enough to net her an above average score, for all that she wasn't amazing or anything.
Felius: 4/10. Bland.
Labyrintha: 6/10. Quite amusing, though I do second Super.
Tony: 3/10. Doesn't really do much even for a dog.
Ragnar: 1/10. It's Ragnar.
Levin: 7/10. Love triangle stuff was hilarious, good deconstruction of the
Alexia: 6/10. Kinda generically likable I guess.
Edna: 8/10. Aw yeah. The game knows exactly what a bad and stupid person
Samille: 5/10. Works as a foil to El Jackson, unimpressive otherwise
El Jackson: 6/10. Pretty funny.
Asgard: DNR
Rupert: 7/10. I'm a bit iffy on some of his stuff, but his exit is just brilliant. That should probably give Charlton more points than him, but eh. Otherwise he's a pretty effective PoV character and total scumbag.
Eisen: 3/10. Could have been good with his legal obstruction, and he and Levin have a decent dynamic, but the second royal knights battle is -3 points by itself.
Chelle: 2/10. RAGNAR BLITZ LEBRETT.
Piedras: 2/10. CORPSES.
Charlton: 8.5/10. I'm always pretty amazed at just how wrong Snowfire can be about plot things. Charlton uses the Martial Guard to control his own people quite well; everyone in towns are scared shitless of opposing his rule. Anyway, he has quite convincing reasons for doing what he does, and a hell of a lot of style.
Weisheit: 6/10. Liked the creepy stalker, liked the VA, liked the contrast between the brilliant plotter and the total lack of common sense. Final appearance costs him a point, though.
Fear Clymsian/Katrina: 9/10. I find the two impossible to consider totally separately, so just consider this score for any and all entries that end up being ranked. Anyway, one of my faves. I love how they take her seemingly random character trait and build it into a nasty, frightening, yet unique villain motivation. She has lots of show-stealing scenes towards the end. And I have no problem with mind control when it's playing with the host's own wishes and desires.
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Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow - Uh... I guess I'll include what I know from the first season of the anime since otherwise none of these people has a discernable personality.
Ash - 3.5 - Quite bland, but occasionally has his moments in the earliest episodes and a few gym leader episodes. About right for a silent main, too.
Mom - 5 - I remember thinking she was amusing in the anime, for all that I can't remember why.
Professor Oak - 6 - All points are for the memes.
Gary Oak - 6 - All points are for the memes.
Brock - 6 - I just like him. Perhaps I can relate to him?
Misty - 4.5 - Better than Ash!
Lt. Suge - 3 - He presented the first real challenge to our hero in the anime, which was kinda nice.
Erika - 4 - Kinda bland, but I liked her episode.
Sabrina - 6 - Actually quite an intriguing character in the manga.
Koga - 4 - Ninja!
Blaine - 3
Giovanni - 5 - Kinda cool in the anime and manga.
Lorelei - 3 - no.
Bruno - 4 - At least he had an episode in the anime!
Agatha - 3.5 - Ghosts!
Lance - 4 - Dragons!
Jessie - 7.5
James - 8 - Just because I wanted to rated James higher than Jessie.
Wild ARMs: XF
Clarissa - 7 - Haven't finished the game, but I like her.
Felius - 4
Labyrintha - 9 - I want more characters like this.
Tony - 6
Ragnar - 5 - I really haven't seen anything to make me despise Ragnar with the ferocity I've seen around here yet, so I'm tentatively giving him average. He seems fine to me.
Levin - 8 - Awesome.
Alexia - 5 - Average.
Edna - 8
Samille
El Jackson
Asgard
Rupert - 8
Eisen - 5.5
Chelle - 5
Piedras - 4
Charlton - 7
Weisheit - 6
Fear Clymsian - Abstain.
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Charlton: 8.5/10. I'm always pretty amazed at just how wrong Snowfire can be about plot things. Charlton uses the Martial Guard to control his own people quite well; everyone in towns are scared shitless of opposing his rule. Anyway, he has quite convincing reasons for doing what he does, and a hell of a lot of style.
Scared, yes. But for what end? Since Alexia's death and Hrathnir / Katrina's incapcity to rule, Charlton was basically regent a year before the game starts (with the consent of the Council, sure). We're supposed to think Charlton's a master manipulator, so he knows that Eisen won't do anything (as indeed he doesn't). So in other words... he's already boss. He doesn't need to consolidate power because he *has* it. It's like stealing from your own house; he can order the legitimate reins of government around. Okay, so Charlton doesn't need to launch a coup or anything. So why does he form the Martial Guard and pursue the policies he does? What's his agenda? We get two reasons:
1. Law & Order.
2. Militarism, war is awesome and the crucible of character, etc. etc.
...except that his actions throughout the game achieve the exact reverse. The Martial Guard is a bunch of barely-controlled mercenaries spreading chaos in the land and robbing his own citizenry. He achieves number 2, sort of, via starting a civil war. But also making people nostalgic for the old days of peace-loving King Hrathnir, and furthermore Clarissa gets more credit for starting the war than Charlton anyway (...unless he was intentionally being as bad a ruler as possible so as to provoke a civil war, which would be psyduck, so yeah no.). I won't go into my Chapter 2 capital plot complaints again but suffice to say that this doesn't jibe with the idea of him actually loving Elesius either. They could have fixed this plot in a number of ways:
A) Acknowledge that Charlton wasn't actually all that having a Yuri Hyuga type character mouth off at him about how he threw away a position where he could have revolutionized Elesius to become a hated failure.
B) Rather than portray the Martial Guard as bandits, portray them more like the secret police, and show Elesius becoming a fascist state where political enemies disappear rather than a broken-down kleptocracy. (Basically, more missions like the one where the Martial Guard kidnapped an important town citizen to get their way. That was actually scary and fitting a disciplined enemy.)
C) Change Charlton to only care about enriching himself, and not really caring about the fate of the nation at all, so whatever if everything goes to hell.
Charlton is no Marscal Godwin.
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The Martial Guard is a bunch of barely-controlled mercenaries spreading chaos in the land and robbing his own citizenry.
No. You pretty badly misinterpreted what the Martial Guard was doing, and your very own post is the proof. This seems to be par for the course with you and this game, since you seem to consistently believe things which aren't substantiated by the game and make it make much less sense than the conclusions which everyone else seems to have no problem reaching.
I don't really want to derail this topic with walls of text so if you want to continue this argument, catch me in chat sometime.
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Update on Friday.
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Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
Gary Oak - Gary Motherfucking Oak/10
Lance - hax/10
Jessie - Prepare for trouble/10
James - And make it double/20
Wild ARMs: XF
Clarissa - 6/10
Felius - 4/10
Labyrintha - 8/10
Tony - dog/10
Ragnar - 0/10 shut up ragnar
Levin - 5/10
Alexia - 7/10
Edna - 6/10
Samille - 5.5/10
El Jackson - 5.5/10
Asgard - 0101/1010
Rupert - 9/10
Eisen - 3/10
Chelle - 0.5/10
Piedras - 3/10
Charlton - 5/10
Weisheit - 6/10
Fear Clymsian/Katrina - 10/10
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Clarissa: 7.5/10 - Saaailor Moo- Wut *^_^* Anyway main character, lots of plot/fleshing.
Felius: 6/10 - Boring PC but Weisheit/Kressen, Yula, plot stuff.
Labyrintha: 8/10 - Extra point for the red hair!
Tony: 6.5/10 - I can only rate a dog so high. Even so it's something that Tony manages to hold his own vs the rest of the cast.
Ragnar: 7/10 - (SPOILERS warning for the Djinns) Cooks, cleans, sews. Generous with eats. Tony approved! Liked the Ragnar/Chelle stuff, especially the bittersweet ending and how Ragnar dedicates his life afterward to travelling around helping (and feeding!) others, unable to standby while others continued to suffer. I dunno I think Ragnar's tragic past and the way he lost his family and friends just resonated with me. The way he would recite the names of the fallen when he was down and didn't know what to do got to me too.
Levin: 7/10 - Token RPG kid that kicks ass. Hax. Cuuute!
Alexia: 5/10 - I don't really like Alexia for some reason but it's hard to pit down why. I don't really hate her or anything either but yeah. Needed to be around more I think.
Edna: 7/10
Asgard: 5/10
Rupert: 8/10
Eisen: 5/10
Chelle: 5.5/10
Piedras: 4./10
Charlton: - 8/10
Weisheit: 6/10
"Fear Clymsian/Katrina:" 8.5/10
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Last Call until updating!
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Just some comments to clarify things. If a character receives less than 2/3 of the total game's rankings, they will be DNR'd (so if there are 10 votes, and 6 people rank someone while 4 don't, the character is DNR'd). Abstains are not counted against a character in this manner (if the character is skipped, I assume they are DNR'd unless otherwise indicated...typically because they probably aren't memorable enough to be included <_<).
Also, Bonus games are not included in the rankings, as they aren't RPGs...typically.
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow (5 Votes)
Ash - 2.1
Mom - 3.4
Professor Oak - 6.4
Gary Oak - 6.6
Brock - 4.5
Misty - 3.4
Lt. Suge
Erika
Sabrina
Koga
Blaine - Death by not caring1
Giovanni - 4
Lorelei
Bruno
Agatha
Lance - No caring? Or sharing? ;_;
Jessie - 5.6
James - 5.8
Wild ARMs: XF (9 Votes)
Clarissa - 6.5
Felius - 4.1
Labyrintha - 7.1
Tony - 4.9
Ragnar - 2.6
Levin - 6.6
Alexia - 5.4
Edna - 7.6
Samille
El Jackson
Asgard - Why does no one care?!
Rupert - 7.8
Eisen - 3.8
Chelle - 3
Piedras - 3.5
Charlton - 7.1
Weisheit - 5
Fear Clymsian/Katrina - 7.2
BONUS - TEAM FORTRESS II!!! (3 Votes)
Scout - 9.2
Soldier - 9.7
Pyro - 6
Demoman - 8
Engineer - 6.8
Heavy - 10
Spy - 9.7
Sniper - 9.7
Medic - 7.7
Announcer - 6.3
Scout's Mom - 3.3
Sniper's Dad - 2
Good
1) Lily: 8.85
2) Nanako: 8.56
3) Kanji: 8.40
4) Dojima: 8.36
5) Yosuke: 8.20
6) Flay: 7.93
7) Auron: 7.84
8) Rupert Dandridge: 7.8
9) Flay: 7.71
10) Sin/Jecht: 7.69
Bad
1) Goto: 1.00
2) Gogo: 2.00
3) Ash: 2.1
4) Duke: 2.2
5) Umaro: 2.45
6) Alexei: 2.5
7) Leon Geeste: 2.5
8) Ragnar: 2.6
9) Kimarhi: 2.63
10) Marta: 2.66
WHY DOES NO ONE CARE ABOUT POKEMON VILLAINS?!
Shadow Hearts
Yuri
Alice
Zhuzhen
Margaret
Keith
Halley
Sea Mother
Koudelka
Kato
Kawashima
Roger Bacon
Wugui
Dehuai
Olga
Albert Simon
Grandia III
Yuki
Alfina
Ulf
Dahna
Miranda
Alonso
Hect
Schmidt
Raven
Emelious
Xorn
Violetta
La-Ilim
Kornell
That Guy With the Beret
BONUS - CAVE STORY!!!
Quote
Curly
King
Toroko
Sue
Kazuma
Professor Booster
Momorin
Jenka
Balrog
Misery
The Doctor
Ballos
THIS ONE LASTS 2 WEEKS DUE TO DLCON!!!!!
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Shadow Hearts
Yuri: 9/10. Trench-coatin'
Alice: 3/10. wtf ever
Zhuzhen: 3/10 ^
Margarete: 3/10 ^
Keith: 5/10. Gay vampire sex.
Halley 1.5/10. I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU
Sea Mother: um schlooooop/10?
Koudelka: 3/10
Kato 6/10. Chintastic.
Kawashima: 6/10. Fine, I guess.
Roger Bacon: 7/10. FAKE NAMING SCREEN. This would be higher if this were SH2
Wugui: Super/10 (0/10) (Just kidding! 2/10)
Dehuai: 5/10
Olga: 2/10
Albert Simon: 4/10. Hattastic.
Grandia III
Yuki: 7/10. PLANES PLANES PLANES
Alfina: WHEN YOU FLY IN THE SKY SOMETHING SOMETHING YOU'RE DREAAAAAAAAAMING/10 (2/10) Man I'm so shocked by my brother DOING EVIL STUFF despite the fact this is all he does ever. "NOOOOO! EMELIOUS! YOU'RE EVIL?!"
Ulf: 3/10. Likes food. Deepest character evar
Dahna: BOOBS BOOBS BOOBS 2/10
Miranda: 6/10. -2 for dating Alonso
Alonso: 0/10. Ragnar.
Hect: 2/10. uhhh plays a violin?
Schmidt: 1.5/10 NO.
Raven: 1/10. EPIC SWORDFIGHT WITH EMELIOUSSSSSS
time to not take the villains seriously
Emelious: 6/10. Surrounds himself with things that make him believe his penis is large. (COCKSCOCKSCOCKS). EDIT: Bonus point for breathing and continuing evil laughter when he kills you in battle.
Xorn: 8/10. duh
Violetta: 5/10 <3 pain, emelious whip me
La-Ilim: 1/10. His special power is throwing up
Kornell: 8/10. BOW DOWN TO KORNELL, PANSIES! THE GLORY IS ALLLLL MINE!
That Guy With the Beret: 1/10. Looks like Lord Yuna but is 1/100th as cool.
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Shadow Hearts
Yuri: 9/10 - Is Yuri. Funny that Yuri is a lot like Ragnar in his base personality, cocky, self sure/self confident in things, with a forward assertive/aggressive manner when he's taking the lead and the way he acts around Alice and Margaret until of course he genuinely falls for Alice (then again see Lucia dancing scene in Covenant, some things never change ;))
Alice: 8/10 - Is Alice. Plays off Yuri well. Doesn't overplay the DiD stuff I feel and makes up for it anyway later when she grows a pair. Face off with Foxface was epic. You can even choose how she reacts to Dehuai earlier on too. I made her sass of course *^_^* Innately gentle, sweet and kind to others but with a will of iron. Probably one of my most favourite characters, next to Aerith.
Zhuzhen: 6/10 - Plays off Yuri and Yuri's dad well enough. Helps Alice out early in the second half of the game. Then sort of disappears. Bonus awesme UoM point.
Margaret: 5/10 - Sexy spy! Sassy! Otherwise just kind of there like most of the non Yuri/Alice cast.
Keith: 5/10 - Is a Valentine. Gay (or is it bi) vampire sex~
Halley: 4.5/10 - Yuri is allowed to have passionate emo outbursts from time to time, so Halley should be too :P They both had unstable powers anyway irrc. Admire what he did with/for other orphans. Other than that wasn't around long enough for me to hold too much interest.
Sea Mother: 4.5/10 - Supergran!
Koudelka: 5.5/10 - Is Koudelka. Needed moar Koudelka. Extra point for red hair~
Kato: 4.5/10
Kawashima: 4/10
Roger Bacon: 6.5/10 - Is Roger Bacon.
Wugui: 5/10 - Really creepy.
Dehuai: 5/10 - Eh works.
Olga: 4.5/10 - Ding dong the witch is ded!
Albert Simon: 6.5/10 - Albert's an ass but ... Hat. Tea. Gentlemanly manners. Interesting back story from Roger about him that shows that he was human once. Hat. TEA!
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Shadow Hearts
Yuri - 9/10
Alice - 8/10
Zhuzhen - 4/10
Margaret - 4/10
Keith - 4/10
Halley - 2/10
Sea Mother - 3/10
Koudelka - 6/10
Kato - 6/10
Kawashima - 2/10
Roger Bacon - 6/10
Wugui
Dehuai
Olga
Albert Simon - 7/10
Grandia III
Yuki - 4/10
Alfina - 3/10
Ulf - 4/10
Dahna - 4/10
Miranda - 8/10
Alonso - 0/10
Hect - 5/10
Schmidt
Raven
Emelious - 1/10
Xorn - 5/10
Violetta - 1/10
La-Ilim - 2/10
Kornell - 7/10
That Guy With the Beret
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BONUS - CAVE STORY!!!
Quote - lolsilentmain. 2/10
Curly - Exists. 4/10
King - Does stuff? 3.5/10
Toroko - Meh. 3.5/10
Sue - Meh. 3.5/10
Kazuma - Meh. 3.5/10
Professor Booster - Gets points for sharing a name with a SMRPG villain. 4.5/10
Momorin - Who?
Jenka - Has puppies. 5/10
Balrog - Huzzah! 9/10
Misery - Bitch bitch bitch. 5/10
The Doctor - HE IS EBILZ. 3/10
Ballos - Whatever. 4.5/10
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Yuri 9/10
Alice 7/10
Zhuzhen 5/10
Margaret 5/10
Keith 5/10
Halley 3/10 ahhh i hate you i hate you
Sea Mother 5/10
Koudelka 5/10
Kato 5/10
Kawashima 5/10
Roger Bacon 8/10
Wugui 5/10
Dehuai 5/10
Olga 5/10
Albert Simon 5/10
Grandia III
Yuki 2/10
Alfina 1/10
Ulf 4/10
Dahna 3/10
Miranda 6/10
Alonso 2/10
Hect 3/10
Schmidt 3/10
Raven 1/10
Emelious 1/10
Xorn 7/10 most sympathetic character in the game
Violetta 1/10
La-Ilim 5/10
Kornell 6/10
That Guy With the Beret 5/10
BONUS - CAVE STORY!!!
Quote 6/10 point for sweet hat
Curly 5/10
King 6/10 hey at least he tried
Toroko 5/10
Sue 4/10
Kazuma 4/10
Professor Booster 5/10
Momorin who?
Jenka 5/10
Balrog 7/10
Misery 6/10
The Doctor 5/10
Ballos 5/10
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Wait wait wait... so leaving someone blank counts as "DNR" now? That seems counter-intuitive. I figured leaving a name blank would be more neutral, like an "Abstain".
Shadow Hearts
Yuri - 10/10 - It's Yuri and he makes this series what it is.
Alice - 6/10 - My most hated character trope, but she pulls it off nicely and I actually like Alice herself, so this says something and deserves above average.
Zhuzhen - 5/10 - Cool old man character. I found him funny but he was just serious enough to pull off the dynamic with Yuri's dad.
Margarete - 6/10 - I really enjoyed her character arc. Also, I think the inclusion of actual historical figures in the SH games was such a fun idea.
Keith - 4/10 - He's a Valentine, so I can't give him lower than this out of principal, but he has the least personality of any of the SH characters I can think of.
Halley - 6/10 - He worked for what he was, though his battle quotes... Also, +1 for related to Koudelka.
Sea Mother - 9/10 - I love this part of SH1, it makes me laugh every time.
Koudelka - 8/10 - Gets points for being in Koudelka. Also, SH series needs Moar Koudelka.
Kato - 6/10 - Could be higher, but this is just setting him up for SH2, really.
Kawashima - 5.5 - Likeable and memorable. Also based on a real person!
Roger Bacon - 8/10 - So many awesome SH characters~
Wugui - 5/10 - SH villains didn't get awesome until Covenant, but they were functional enough.
Dehuai - 5/10
Olga - 5/10
Albert Simon - 7.5/10 - Well, okay, I really liked this guy, actually.
Grandia III
Yuki - 2/10 - Hate.
Alfina - 1/10 - Die in a Fire.
Ulf - 5/10 - Best permanent PC?
Dahna - 4/10 - At least they tried?
Miranda - 7/10 - Best reason to play the game. Seriously, the game feels like a half-finished project, and you can clearly see the seams between the portions of the game where Miranda is around (does a good job of capturing the original Grandia's light-hearted adventuring feel) and the portions after she leaves (plot/character/logic goes to shit). Also, after the failure of Yuki, it's easy to understand why Miranda would want to try again with a completely different /species/. Much higher chances of success. So I'm not holding Alonso against her.
Alonso - 3.5/10 - Not my favorite character, but I don't hate him. He had some funny lines and I liked the overall feel of his sidequest arc.
Hect - 3/10 - Get a personality?
Schmidt - Abstain
Raven - 2/10 - Because I forgot Alfina existed until this point and I should really save my '1's for people who deserve it.
Emelious - 5/10 - I hate him and everything about what he did to one of my favorite game series, but there's some hilarious camp factor surrounding him, so it evens out back to average.
Xorn - 5/10 - see above.
Violetta - 4/10 - Actually found her sufficiently creepy and her death kind of shocked me, so she gets this high.
La-Ilim - 2/10 - Point for creepy design.
Kornell - 5/10
That Guy With the Beret - Abstain... who is this?
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If you want things ranked then rank them, if you don't rank it what difference does it make? There is no focus on presentation here, we don't need a soft middle ground term or approach to it.
Beret guy is the dude that giggles maniacally when La-Ilim regurgitates on mirrors.
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Shadow Hearts
Yuri- 9.5/10
Alice- 6/10
Apathy for the rest of the cast.
Grandia III
Yuki- 3/10. There.
Alfina- 1/10- Just die, please.
Ulf- 4/10. Best character in the PC cast!
Dahna- 2/10. She has absolutely no personality to speak of, to the point where the complete void in said personality gives her a lower score than Yuki.
Miranda- 6/10. Loses 2 for sex with Alonso.
Alonso- 0/10. Worse than Ragnar
Emelious- 1/10. Awful.
Xorn- 5/10. At least is hilariously awful.
Violetta- 3/10. Loser.
Kornell- 6/10. Had a great line, best part of cast.
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Shadow Hearts
Yuri 9/10 - One of the best main characters out there? Covenant might give him a perfect ten. What is it with leading men named Yuri?
Alice 7.5/10 - Charming and sympathetic, though can be bland aside from a few scenes.
Zhuzhen 6/10 - Pretty cool old man. Gets the funny and serious stuff down.
Margaret 5.5/10 - Mostly just there aside from a few scenes.
Keith 4/10 - Whatever.
Halley 4.5/10 - Don't get the utter loathing, but still not even average.
Sea Mother 6/10 - I would abstain, but SEA MOTHER.
Koudelka 6/10 - Don't know her game, but cool enough I guess anyways.
Kato 6.5/10 - Just a decent side character here.
Kawashima 6/10 - Her too.
Roger Bacon 8/10 - Bacon is the man.
Wugui 5/10 - Creepy dude who is there a few times.
Dehuai 5.5/10 - Nice and villainous.
Olga 2/10 - Blahblahblah.
Albert Simon 6.5/10 Stylish, prim-and-proper jerkass.
BONUS - CAVE STORY!!!
Quote 4.5/10 - Silent main with a nice hat.
Curly 6/10 - Cuuuurly.
King 4/10 - Not a very cool dude, but he does something.
Toroko 4/10 - Something.
Sue 5/10 - OK.
Kazuma 4/10 - Meh.
Professor Booster 5/10 - SCIENCE.
Momorin Abs.
Jenka 5.5/10 - Makes you wear puppy-hats.
Balrog 8/10 - HUZZAH!
Misery 6.5/10 - Kinda neat.
The Doctor 4.5/10 - Not bad for what he is!
Ballos 5.5/10 - Freaky-ass backstory and all that.
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Shadow Hearts
Yuri: 7.5/10. He's cool and interesting but when I think back to SH1...there's not a whole lot there. SHC is the game that really makes him totally awesome.
Alice: 6/10. Decent for what she is, but nothing special.
Zhuzhen: 4/10. HEY I HAVE PAST WITH BEN HYUGA AND AM THE BROTHER OF THE FIRST HALF'S VILLAIN! ...amazing how little they do with that.
Margaret: 3/10. Someone they do almost nothing with. They force out the Orphanage stuff but the fact that I can't even remember what she did there says a lot.
Keith: 4/10. A metrosexual vampire needs more than one scene of amusement.
Halley: 3.5/10. Half a point for "I HATE YOU!", but otherwise, just kind of there.
Sea Mother: DNR. No reason to be on this list.
Koudelka: 2/10. A generic voice throughout most of the game, then she pops up and doesn't really do much the rest of the game other than...be a macguffin.
Kato: 5/10. Mostly just a cronie to his boss, and just sort of there cause Kawashima needed someone to speak to, but he's fine for that.
Kawashima: 7/10. I actually liked her and thought she was well done.
Roger Bacon: 6/10. Kind of amusing for the short spurt we see him, but he's sadly got not enough screen time to justify more.
Wugui: 2/10. Lamer.
Dehuai: 2/10. Lamer.
Olga: 2/10. Lamer with breasts, except she's an ugly hag so she can't even get that going for her.
Albert Simon: 3/10. I guess that end speech before the final boss was kind of...alright...and he has a cool hat!
Grandia III
Yuki: 4/10. Showed potential to be fun early game...then did nothing the rest of the game, hurrah.
Alfina: 2.5/10. A bad female lead, but not in anyway that really stands out, just kind of generically bad. Loses half a point for the Emelious related idiocy of "He's not a bad guy, honest!" "HE JUST KILLED 3 GODS AND LAUGHED MANIACALLY ABOUT IT!" "HE'S A GOOD GUY I SWEAR!"
Ulf: 3.5/10. He has...has...has...I got nothing...I guess half a point for not being offensive much?
Dahna: 3/10. RAVEN'S GIRLFRIEND OMG! ...that's all she had.
Miranda: 6/10. Cool for when she's around, then she falls for Alonso and stops existing. *sighs*
Alonso: 1/10. He fails a lot, but for some reason I can't justify putting him at 0/10.
Hect: 4/10. Little girl mage with Violin! That's...more interesting than most of the cast...yeah, lets give her higher rating than most!
Schmidt: 4/10. I guess he deserves a point for showing some level of development with the angst thing or something, but uhh...yeah, I got nothing.
Raven: 2.5/10. Just kind of there to be Emelious buddy then...turn on him and...fail miserably? I mean, what? USELESS CHARACTER IS USELESS!
Emelious: 4/10. The Seifer Clause makes him not nearly as bad as he could be, cause its so obvious you're NOT suppose to like him, and you're suppose to despise him (which makes Alfina's actions really questionable from a writing stand point), so in that regard, they succeeded. Emelious' issue, however, is that G3 Writing is still shit, so that clause only saves him from worst of the worst.
Xorn: 7/10. Major bonus points for wanting to destroy the G3 World! Also, hilarious hamtastic value!
Violetta: 3/10. Generic female henchman
La-Ilim: 2/10. IIRC, this guy can barely even talk and does nothing other than fail it up as you fight him.
Kornell: 6/10. Hilarious stuff in the early parts of the game, would be higher if he was consistently keeping that up, but the game sort of forgets he exists and turns him into the "Big Strong Bruiser" counterpart to Violetta, as far as Henchman go.
That Guy With the Beret: Who?
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Torn out of my downtime right after DLCon, so this might have to wait a day or two to update. Will close on Monday when I (hopefully) return to Morgantown.
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Also, feel free to make suggestions for the next session.
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Shadow Hearts
Yuri: 7.5/10. Like Meeple, I'm sorta less enamoured of pure SH1 Yuri than some. He's fun, but doesn't really have a huge amount of depth.
Alice: 4/10. Zzz.
Zhuzhen: 3/10. Wait, he was Dehuai's brother? Minus one point because I don't even remember this.
Margaret: 3/10. SH SUPPORTING CAST.
Keith: 3/10. Whatever.
Halley: 4/10. I like him a bit more than the rest because he actually had a character conflict, even if he's a bit of a tool.
Sea Mother: 1.5/10. lolwhat
Koudelka: 6/10. I liked her.
Kato: 5/10. Shopkeep final boss!
Kawashima: 6/10. Pretty effective for what she was.
Roger Bacon: 7/10. Fake naming screen.
Wugui: 4/10. Like that Rescue Rangers episode where Dale gets a magic meteorite.
Dehuai: 5/10. Had presence.
Olga: 3/10. Didn't.
Albert Simon: 3/10. Hurt by SH2's retcon possibly, not that he was any good to start with. HEY GUYS I HAVE A TOP HAT.
Grandia III
Yuki: 5/10. The plane love is funny.
Alfina: 2/10. Fails. Not really in new and exciting ways, but yeah.
Ulf: 3.5/10. Likes food.
Dahna: 2.5/10. Has boobs.
Miranda: 6/10. Pretty funny, even if she isn't really believably motherly.
Alonso: 1/10. Awful. Game tries to make this failure come off as cool.
Hect: 3/10. Violin.
Schmidt: 3/10. He was better in Up.
Raven: 1/10. Laughably useless.
Emelious: 6/10. After the replay he comes off as quite funny to me.
Xorn: 7.5/10. But not as funny as this guy.
Violetta: 4/10. Awww Emelious tried to kill me <3 <3 <3
La-Ilim: 2/10. Projectile vomit! And nothing else.
Kornell: 6.5/10. DID YOU JUST CALL ME A PEABRAIN?
That Guy With the Beret: 1.5/10. lolwhat
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Pro 4:30 AM Xorn-chan slaying
Grandia III
Yuki - 3/10 planes
Alfina - 3/10 this is your brain on drugs
Ulf - 5/10 food this is more pro than everyone else
Dahna - 3/10 boobs
Miranda - 5/10 not terrible
Alonso - 4/10 take him out, change nothing
Hect - 3/10 violin
Schmidt - 5/10 mustache
Raven - 1/10 who
Emelious - 7/10 pro
Xorn - 9/10 da bess
Violetta - 4/10 ko-approved attire
La-Ilim - 4/10 whatever
Kornell - 7/10 peabrain
That Guy With the Beret - 4/10 has a hat
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BONUS - CAVE STORY!!!
Quote - 3/10. Silent main.
Curly - 7/10. MIMIGAS ARE YOUR FRIENDS!
King - 3/10. Kinda stupid.
Toroko - 2/10. Kinda nonexistent.
Sue - 6/10. Hilarious in her few scenes.
Kazuma - 2/10. Plays off Sue.
Professor Booster - 3/10. Nonexistent despite plot.
Momorin - DNR
Jenka - 8/10. Puppy hats.
Balrog - 8/10. HUZZAH!
Misery - 6/10. Gets some of the more amusing lines tormenting Balrog.
The Doctor - 3/10. Generic whahahaha.
Ballos - 6/10. Backstory.
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Nitori is pro
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Shadow Hearts
Yuri- 8/10.
Alice- 6/10.
Zhuzhen- 4/10.
Margaret- 3/10.
Keith- 5/10.
Halley- 5/10.
Sea Mother- 4/10.
Koudelka- 5/10.
Kato- 4/10.
Kawashima- 5/10.
Roger Bacon- 6/10.
Wugui- 4/10.
Dehuai- 3/10.
Olga- 3/10.
Albert Simon- 5/10.
Grandia III
Yuki- 3/10. Starts out funny, but it wears so thin.
Alfina- 2/10. Worthless.
Ulf- 3/10.
Dahna- 3/10.
Miranda- 7/10. Makes me smile.
Alonso- 5/10. His general worthlessness is sorta funny, the game makes it clear you should be making fun of him.
Hect- 3/10.
Schmidt- 2/10.
Raven- 2/10.
Emelious- 0/10. Not only fails in all ways, makes it impossible to even take the game as a comedy. He's taken too seriously to enjoy anything about the game after he shows up.
Xorn- 7/10. Except Xorn.
Violetta- 3/10.
La-Ilim- 2/10.
Kornell- 6/10. Amusing enough.
That Guy With the Beret- DNR. Jesus OK.
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Closing in 15 minutes! Back earlier than expected.
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Shadow Hearts
Yuri: 9. Awesome. Not as awesome as in SH 2
Alice: 4. Not really there much for what she was.
Zhuzhen: 5. Funny when he's around. And what, Dehaui's brother?! I don't...think so?
Margaret: 5. Likable when she's around
Keith: 2. This wasn't a character
Halley: 3. Angsty, but not without reason. Not to say it made me care.
Sea Mother: DNR
Koudelka: 8. Badass enough to torment Yuri across half a continent while imprisoned. Most points because she's motherfucking Koudelka though
Kato: 2. Annoying in this game
Kawashima: 5
Roger Bacon: 7
Wugui: 3. Was there, not really creepy
Dehuai: 4. Was there
Olga: 6. Slightly creepy means that she fulfilled her purpose
Albert Simon: 6
Making you do more work!
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Made a change or two to the inclusion/exclusion criteria: 50% is the cut-off mark now.
I will always try to grab as many major characters as possible - I may miss some, so please do add-in votes for major ones.
Also, I should...probably use descriptions for some characters? Didn't help Grau much (aka, Guy with the Beret; go 1:04 into this video...HE DOES EXIST http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e--VoVtPEB0), but might have helped Momorin, aka, Sue's mother >_>
Shadow Hearts (11 Votes)
Yuri - 8.79
Alice - 6.01
Zhuzhen - 4.51
Margaret - 4.33
Keith - 4.11
Halley - 3.53
Sea Mother - 4.71
Koudelka - 5.98
Kato - 5.22
Kawashima - 5.15
Roger Bacon - 7.00
Wugui - 3.76
Dehuai - 4.21
Olga - 3.67
Albert Simon - 5.55
Grandia III (9 Votes)
Yuki - 3.67
Alfina - 1.94
Ulf - 3.89
Dahna - 2.94
Miranda - 6.33
Alonso - 1.78
Hect - 3.25
Schmidt - 3.08
Raven - 1.5
Emelious - 3.56
Xorn - 6.72
Violetta - 3.11
La-Ilim - 2.75
Kornell - 6.39
That Guy With the Beret - WHERE IS THE LOVE!??!
Cave Story (4 Votes)
Quote - 3.88
Curly - 5.5
King - 4.13
Toroko - 3.63
Sue - 4.63
Kazuma - 3.38
Professor Booster - 4.63
Momorin - Sue's Mom is SAD LIKE PANDA
Jenka - 6.13
Balrog - 8.33
Misery - 5.83
The Doctor - 3.5
Ballos - 4
Good
1) Lily: 8.85
2) Yuri (SH1): 8.79
3) Nanako: 8.56
4) Kanji: 8.40
5) Dojima: 8.36
6) Yosuke: 8.20
7) Flay: 7.93
8) Auron: 7.84
9) Rupert Dandridge: 7.8
10) Sin/Jecht: 7.69
Bad
1) Goto: 1.00
2) Raven: 1.5
3) Alonso: 1.78
4) Alfina: 1.94
5) Gogo: 2.00
6) Ash: 2.1
7) Duke: 2.2
8) Umaro: 2.45
9) Alexei: 2.5
10) Leon Geeste: 2.5
Hopefully, this next set will be...uh...something! Maybe? Eh, whatever...1 week!!!!
Final Fantasy IV
Cecil
Rosa
Kain
Cid
Rydia
Tellah
Edward
Yang
Palom
Porom
Edge
FuSoYa
Milon
Cagnazzo
Valvalis
Rubicante
Golbez
Zemus/Zeromus
Soul Nomad
Revya
Gig
Danette
Levin
Vitali
Juno
Grunzford
Tricia
Odie
Endorph
Thorndyke
Galahad
Pinot
Agrippa
Vangogh
Rockum
Sockum
Layna
Penn
Alexemia
Christophe
Euphoria
The Empress Diness
Geshtal
Haephness
Virtuous
Shauna
Cuthbert
Kanan
Lobo
Feinne
Thuris
Raksha
Drazil
Gamma
Joules
Dio
BONUS!!!! - Chip N' Dale: Rescue Rangers
Chip
Dale
Monterey Jack
Gadget
Zipper
Fat Cat
Professor Nimnul
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Final Fantasy IV
Cecil - He was kinda interesting in the beginning but pretty much was just there after becoming a paladin. 4/10
Rosa - Generic female love interest. 2/10
Kain - Piss off. 0/10
Cid - UOM powah. 4/10
Rydia - There. 2/10
Tellah - Gets a point for SPOONY BARD. 4/10
Edward - There. 2/10
Yang - There. 2/10
Palom - There. 2/10
Porom - There. 2/10
Edge - Wanker. 1/10
FuSoYa - There. 2/10
Milon - RAR I AM EBIL UNDEAD THING. 1/10
Cagnazzo - hi guyz im in ur cassel impersonatin ur king. 2/10
Valvalis - RAR I AM EBIL STRIPPER. 1/10
Rubicante - Was actually an interesting villain for the time. 4/10
Golbez - CECIL I AM YOUR BROTHER. 2/10
Zemus/Zeromus - RAR I AM HAET. 0/10
Write-in: Dr. Lugae - HAHAHA EBIL SCIENTIST. 4/10 for providing amusement when I first played the game.
such an awesome cast
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Argh. I don't remember enough Rescue Rangers to do them justice I don't think. Dammit. Should totally pick up the DVDs~
Final Fantasy IV
Cecil- 4/10. had an alright character arc going. Too bad it ended a quarter of the way into the game.
Rosa- 3/10. zzz.
Kain- 2/10. Douche.
Cid- 6/10. Makes me smile.
Rydia- 4/10. See Cecil.
Tellah- 4/10. Memorable at least.
Edward- 4/10. Same.
Yang- 3/10.
Palom- 3/10.
Porom- 3/10. Twins were kinda annoying but for some reason I like the turn to stone thing.
Edge- 4/10. ... nah, probably shouldn't give him DL points.
FuSoYa- 4/10.
Milon- 3/10.
Cagnazzo- 3/10. The whole king impersonation thing wasn't played out enough.
Valvalis- 4/10.
Rubicante- 5/10.
Golbez- 4/10.
Zemus/Zeromus- 2/10.
Characters will get both a standard and demon path score. I'll bold the higher one- take it for the averages.
Soul Nomad
Revya- 5/10. A bit generic. Probably intentional, but anyway.
3/10. I like how Revya goes in the demon path, but it's on a meta level; like, I feel like the game said 'oh, you want to be OMG FUCKIN EVAL? Well here ya go...'. But the character herself is pretty blah.
Gig- 9/10. Gig makes the game awesome.
7/10. Fun, but loses a lot of his best targets of ridicule, plus of course the other characters upstage him much more often.
Danette- 5/10. She gives gig a lot to work with, but I never felt like it reflected well on her. Dunno why really.
7/10. She makes a decent hero, but more than that she really sold the sense of betrayal the demon path should have.
Levin- Goddammit OK. See below.
Vitali- 6/10. He's just... cool. No real depth, just cool.
5/10. Purely hurt because he's the same character with less screentime.
Juno- 4/10. Window into a typical "fuck you humans" culture.
5/10. She, after Danette, calls you out on your crimes the most. Someone's gotta do it.
Grunzford- 5/10. Cool old guy or something. NOt special at it.
4/10. More or less like Vitali, the same guy but less often.
Tricia- 4/10. Just sorta around.
5/10. In this case, I think I am willing to give meta points. Actually going this route with the character is gutsy.
Odie- 6/10. Worth a smile.
4/10. DRASTICALLY less screentime.
Endorph- 7/10. Not only did Walnut grow up some, he's actually... cool.
5/10. Screentime, again.
Thorndyke- 4/10. Fairly stock character.
6/10. Not so much stock.
Galahad- 3/10. A bit annoying really.
7/10 PRISM. BEIGE.
Pinot- 3/10.
5/10. Poor cherub.
Agrippa- 3/10.
Same. Doesn't really get much screentime to do anything else on the demon path.
Vangogh- 5/10. I like the accent.
No Demon path rating. I can't say for sure he has more than a token "I'm still alive" line.
Rockum- See below.
Sockum- For the life of me I can't tell them apart. Do they even have different personalities? They get a 5/10 as a unit, with no demon path rating, but separately I'd DNR them.
Layna- 4/10. Her perkiness is nice, but she's a backstory character at heart.
As above.
Penn- 4/10. Not terribly memorable.
6/10. He's jsut so INTO the evil.
Alexemia- DNR. Just not a significant force, despite being a Queen and all.
Christophe- 5/10. I like having a guy like him solidly on your team, but not super interesting beyond concept.
I don't think he does much in the demon path.
Euphoria- 4/10. Needed more done with her to really make her stand out.
Diness- Oh, the Empress. Well, DNR in the main path, I can't say for sure she ever actually appears.
4/10. And still isn't much when she is around.
Geshtal- 5/10. You kinda feel bad for him.
Same.
Haephness- DNR. Not an active presence in the game.
Virtuous- 7/10. Pretty badass in her manipulations.
Shauna- 3/10. What a bitch.
6/10. It's a compelling little sideplot.
Cuthbert- I just... don't remember him well.
Kanan- 3/10. Typical evil cultist type.
5/10. Funny how much better that works when it's on your side.
Lobo- 6/10. Exists to prove that you don't have to be a genocidal maniac to be evil.
5/10. Exists to say "holy shit just how evil ARE you". He's really quite different in role if not in character, but I dont' think he's as effective.
Feinne- 3/10. Fienne's kinda force-of-nature style, since she's completely unwilling to do what she's doing
And just doesn't get any love in the demon path, despite changing sides.
Thuris- 4/10. Ehh.
3/10. But moreso.
Raksha- SPOILARS!!!! Okay, so the game is pretty clear that, while Euphoria is controlled by Raksha, Levin is POSSESSED by Raksha and his soul is more or less totally overwritten (though Raksha did pick up a trait or two from him). So bad OK separating them. Moving on.
8/10. Levin is kinda endearing in his stupidity, then turning it around and making it all obfuscating stupidity is brilliant. I like how the play the conflict for the character too.
6/10. The whole 'well, I really liked playing the hero' justification was pretty nice, but ultimately you see a lot less of him and the reveal is just presented out of hand, since you're assumed to already know this.
Drazil- 4/10. Douche.
Same.
Gamma- DNR
Joules- DNR
Dio- 3/10. Douche.
6/10. In the demon path, meanwhile, I really felt like, no, Dio isn't just a powerful guy who's making a mockery of you, he really is manipulating the scene pretty well. That he realizes he needs to band together with the heroes, rather than counting on Median to right all the wrongs, is also a nice character shift I wish they'd used in the main path.
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OK is the best. Screw RPGs!
BONUS!!!! - Chip N' Dale: Rescue Rangers
Chip: 5/10. He's kinda there. I don't feel too strongly about him.
Dale: 8/10. Really funny. All the best episodes are when he has to save the day despite his incompetence.
Monterey Jack: 4/10. See Chip, only he gets less lines. The cheese gimmick got old pretty fast.
Gadget: 7/10. Girl nerd, aw yeah. I remember thinking that was pretty cool even back at the time.
Zipper: 5/10. No real opinion, here. Amusing enough sometimes.
Fat Cat: 7/10. Magnificent (cat) bastard.
Professor Nimnul: 6/10. Crazy scientist is always good for some stock villainy.
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Shocked that people actually forgot who guy with the beret was. He's so badly out of left field that he stands out even among Grandia 3 for a sheer WTF factor!
Unlike CK, SN ranking is taking both paths into account. With the exception of Revya, pretty much everyone feels like the same character stuck in the alternate plot that is demon path (Tricia and Galahad being the fairly obvious exceptions)
Soul Nomad
Revya- 5. Worked for what he was supposed to be, game did the slow personality fusing of him and Gig well.
Gig- 9. Yep, made the game.
Danette- 6.5. Too dumb to live at first, but with plot reasons! Improves as the game continues, great at endgame and demon path.
Levin- 7
Vitali- 5. Yeah, basically riding on cool points.
Juno- 3. She's kind of embarrassing.
Grunzford- 4. There.
Tricia- 4. Grates slightly, but functions well enough.
Odie- 6.
Endorph- 7. Is fairly awesome.
Thorndyke- 3. Okay, barely a person on the main path, there are better on the Demon Path.
Galahad- 3. He's not worth a damn if it's not insane.
Pinot- 5. Basically has one awesome line normal path, surprisingly resilient demon path!
Agrippa- 3. Doesn't have an awesome line and is not resilient!
Vangogh- 5. Odie's group generally works well.
Rockum- 5. See above+these two are adorable.
Sockum- 5.
Layna- 5.
Penn- 2. Annoying. Better Demon Path, but still!
Alexemia- 4. There.
Christophe- 5. Characters works for what he was, nice idea.
Euphoria- 4. Eh. This works.
The Empress Diness- Think she had about 1 short scene on normal path. Demon Path...people tormented her, it was fun. This isn't a score, but it's not a DNR either.
Geshtal- 4. No real opinion. "There" isn't the descriptor I'd use, and that's usually by description for 4s!
Haephness- Uh...yeah, DNR.
Virtuous- No clue. I know she did stuff, but some of the SN overworld stuff got murky. I liked...well, what I liked can tie into a score lower on down.
Shauna- 6. Works pretty well for me as the recurring villain.
Cuthbert- 3. Uh, there minus. Is present, but lacks much character.
Kanan- 7. I found her arc incredibly entertaining. Crazy bitch who has been feeding people to her god for like 20 years! +1 for her delicious end.
Lobo- 3. Same as Cuthbert works.
Feinne- 6. Great end.
Thuris- 8. Was awesome. His arc is completely fun and quirky, and topped off with an insanely awesome battle. I found him excellently fun.
Raksha- 6. Nice reveal, Thuris was more fun though!
Drazil- 3. Let's not.
Gamma- 2
Joules- 2
Dio- 6. Does the cunning bastard role well.
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Final Fantasy IV
Cecil - 5.5 - Good for his time. Not bad in the remakes with the little bit of expansion he got in dialogue and backstory. Basically felt like he had a good introduction and then settled into almost a silent main role once the game got going.
Rosa - 1 - No.
Kain - 4 - Had some story at least. Drove the plot forward at times, and without him the game just wouldn't seem melodramatic enough. Hurt by the remakes more than anyone since they aren't as campy as the original.
Cid - 5 - Average old guy Cid, I just kinda like him.
Rydia - 6 - Average as a character, though she gets some funny lines and her plot arc wasn't bad.
Tellah - 6 - Average, but I liked when he was around and 'Spoony Bard' points.
Edward - 5 - I was going to give him a 3, but then I remembered that he was actually somewhat funny in the remakes.
Yang - 4 - But his wife is cool.
Palom - 4 - Point for turning to stone.
Porom - 4 - Same as Palom.
Edge - 6 - I like him.
FuSoYa - 3 - Just there.
Milon - 2 - Meh.
Cagnazzo - 2.5 - Meh + half point for 'I'm in ur party, lolz just kidding - I'ma eat you.'
Valvalis - 2 - Boobs.
Rubicante - 6 - Stylish villain for his time.
Golbez - 5 - Point for Dissidia.
Zemus/Zeromus - 1 - No.
Soul Nomad
Revya - 8 - Devourlord Revya is pretty sweet. Main game Revya gets quite a few amusing snarky lines to go along with Gig.
Gig - 10 - The Best. Only problem is that he makes the rest of the rather awesome cast look bad by comparison.
Danette - 8 - Like her. She's a well-constructed character, but completely eclipsed by Gig.
Levin - 10 - I can't hype this enough.
Vitali - 6 - Style points.
Juno - 6 - Not a bad version of her trope at all! Works nicely in the Demon Path.
Grunzford - 6.5 - Cool old-man trope guy, but has a few great lines.
Tricia - 8 - Found her to be a really likeable addition to the PC cast on the main path - she really suits their chemistry and plays off of Levin, Vitali, and Grunzford well. Demon Path is a pretty powerful scenario with her, too.
Odie - 7 - Somewhat of a one-note recurring boss guy who eventually joins you and then gets a scene of fuckin awesome. Kinda fades out of memory afterwards, though.
Endorph - 7 - Style points.
Thorndyke - 5.5 - Demon path is just unbalanced fun.
Galahad - 6.5 - Really liked his Demon path persona.
Pinot - 4 - Meh, only gets this high from Demon path.
Agrippa - 3 - Same, but less prominent.
Vangogh - 5.5 - Not bad for comic relief!
Rockum - DNR, but was funny enough.
Sockum - ditto
Layna - 7.5 - Background character until pretty late, so she doesn't get much development, but the story around her deserves a high score, and she was surprisingly personable despite her situation.
Penn - 5.5 - Funny in Demon path.
Alexemia - DNR
Christophe - 4.5 - Good creepy guy, but so unmemorable with the rest of the cast being so awesome.
Euphoria - 6 - Creeped me the fuck out, as intended. Nice.
The Empress Diness - DNR - just not important enough to merit a score, though she was fine as a background piece.
Geshtal - 3.5 - Honestly the only part of Soul Nomad that I felt really dropped the ball.
Haephness - DNR - Background piece.
Virtuous - 9 - Basically makes the whole game work and gives a really strong impression of her personality with relatively little screentime. Very good character work here.
Shauna - 7 - You really hate her, but you really like her. I waffle on how I feel about characters like this (reminds me a bit of Albedo in XS2)... But I feel she was effective, so I'll score her highly.
Cuthbert - 4.5 - His secret desire to tell jokes gets him this high, otherwise he's just kinda there.
Kanan - 7.5 - Awesome villain. Equally effective on both paths, too.
Lobo - 6 - Decent villain, CK's comments make me want to rate him higher, but I never picked up on those sorts of parallels in-game.
Feinne - 4 - Background piece, but a lot more prominent than most. Also more sympathetic.
Thuris - 8 - Awesome villain, works well with Kanan, made a really interesting Demon Path appearance.
Raksha - 10 - It's not a secret how much I like this character.
Drazil - 4 - Not as bad as Median, but another kinda worthless character among a stellar cast.
Gamma - DNR
Joules - DNR
Dio - 6 - Decent manipulative character!
BONUS!!!! - Chip N' Dale: Rescue Rangers
Chip - 3 - Does anyone like Chip? I mean, REALLY? I think only people who liked TMNT'S Leonardo like Chip. He's just boring.
Dale - 6 - Dale's where it's at. Funny and always the underdog. You just like rooting for him.
Monterey Jack - 6 - About the same as Dale, but he does serious stuff a little better; conversely his humor is pretty tiresome, even to a 6-year-old Djinn
Gadget - 8 - Really likeable character. Endearing and capable, with just enough humor and development that she doesn't feel like a Mary Sue. It always bugs me that they never reuse this character in other Disney stuff.
Zipper - 3 - Not bad for a character without a voice.
Fat Cat - 5 - Slimy jerk, but never felt threatening enough.
Professor Nimnul - Don't really remember him.
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Updating Monday! Vote now or forever hold your pee!
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Final Fantasy IV
Cecil - He was kinda interesting in the beginning but pretty much was just there after becoming a paladin. 4/10
Rosa - Generic female love interest. 2/10
Kain - Piss off. 0/10
Cid - UOM powah. 4/10
Rydia - There. 2/10
Tellah - Gets a point for SPOONY BARD. 4/10
Edward - There. 2/10
Yang - There. 2/10
Palom - There. 2/10
Porom - There. 2/10
Edge - Wanker. 1/10
FuSoYa - There. 2/10
Milon - RAR I AM EBIL UNDEAD THING. 1/10
Cagnazzo - hi guyz im in ur cassel impersonatin ur king. 2/10
Valvalis - RAR I AM EBIL STRIPPER. 1/10
Rubicante - Was actually an interesting villain for the time. 4/10
Golbez - CECIL I AM YOUR BROTHER. 2/10
Zemus/Zeromus - RAR I AM HAET. 0/10
Write-in: Dr. Lugae - HAHAHA EBIL SCIENTIST. 4/10 for providing amusement when I first played the game.
BONUS!!!! - Chip N' Dale: Rescue Rangers
Chip: 5/10. He's kinda there. I don't feel too strongly about him.
Dale: 8/10. Really funny. All the best episodes are when he has to save the day despite his incompetence.
Monterey Jack: 4/10. See Chip, only he gets less lines. The cheese gimmick got old pretty fast.
Gadget: 7/10. Girl nerd, aw yeah. I remember thinking that was pretty cool even back at the time.
Zipper: 5/10. No real opinion, here. Amusing enough sometimes.
Fat Cat: 7/10. Magnificent (cat) bastard.
Professor Nimnul: 6/10. Crazy scientist is always good for some stock villainy.
Haven't finished SN.
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Final Fantasy IV
Cecil - 3/10
Rosa - 2/10
Kain - 0/10
Cid - 5/10
Rydia - 6/10
Tellah - 1/10
Edward - 9/10
Yang - 4/10
Palom - 1/10
Porom - 6/10
Edge - 3/10
FuSoYa - 4/10
Milon - 4/10
Cagnazzo - 4/10
Valvalis - 4/10
Rubicante - 4/10
Golbez - 3/10
Zemus/Zeromus - 4/10
Soul Nomad
Revya - 5/10
Gig - 10/10
Danette - 9/10
Levin - 4/10
Vitali - 8/10
Juno - 4/10
Grunzford - 4/10
Tricia - 9/10
Odie - 8/10
Endorph - 5/10
Thorndyke - 4/10
Galahad - 4/10
Pinot - 4/10
Agrippa - 4/10
Vangogh - 5/10
Rockum - 4/10
Sockum - 4/10
Layna - 6/10
Penn - 4/10
Alexemia - 4/10
Christophe - 5/10
Euphoria - 5/10
The Empress Diness - 5/10
Geshtal - 4/10
Haephness - 4/10
Virtuous - 4/10
Shauna - 7/10
Cuthbert - 4/10
Kanan - 8/10
Lobo - 4/10
Feinne - 4/10
Thuris - 4/10
Raksha - 4/10
Drazil - 3/10
Gamma - 4/10
Joules - 4/10
Dio - 4/10
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Final Fantasy IV
Cecil: 5/10. Good start, but becomes dull once he turns into a paladin.
Rosa: 3/10. To much damsel in distress for my taste and not very interesting. I don't recall her doing anything idiotic though which keeps her out of my hate induced scores.
Kain: 4/10. Drives the story forward and his struggle was somewhat interesting. I do however wish they had figured out something else than him loving Rosa, that element did nothing but make him pathetic and kills any possible sympathy one may have for him. Had he say been just as capable as Cecil, but Cecil received more recognition for the same effort and that made him feel envious, it would have been easier to emphasize with his situation. However, by not respecting that Rosa choose another man he had absolutely nothing going for him.
Cid: 5/10. Kinda likable for the screentime he had.
Rydia: 7/10. A bit like Cecil in that she has a good start, but becomes just there once her arc is over. I found her more likable and fun though.
Tellah: 6/10. Dies during his arc meaning he escapes the "just there" problem. Also stays dead. One bonus point for his famous line.
Edward: 4/10. Despite all the tragedy surrounding him, I found it hard to care. Him dispelling the heightened gravity with the power of music is just dumb. Had he died after that act I may have cared more.
Yang: 3/10. He's there. Also, congratulations to FF IV for making a "save the party by self-sacrifice" scene have the same emotional impact as a "let's shop from the grocery" scene.
Palom: 6/10. Feels relevant for all the time he spends in the party and then exits before he sinks into the "just there" hole. Also manages to have the only self sacrifice scene that had any impact on me. To bad his revival was anticlimactic, but no big deal.
Porom: 6/10. See Palom.
Edge: 5/10. Kinda fun at times, kinda annoying at times.
FuSoYa: 4/10. Uninteresting.
Milon: Abstain. Barely qualifies as a character.
Cagnazzo: Abstain. Despite him impersonating the king he still comes of as just a boss fight and not as a character.
Valvalis: See Milon.
Rubicante: 5/10. A decent effort at making a boss a character as well. Noble villain, but that's it though.
Golbez: 5/10. Could have been much better had Zemus not existed. He worked as a credible threat and him turning into a hand after a defeat was kind of cool. Him being controlled by Zemus and then having that control simple dispelled by FuSoYa is a kick in the balls though.
Zemus/Zeromus: 1/10. Should not have existed. His reveal just made the plot worse. Also, his hatred being so strong killing him just makes him more angry is just plain stupid.
BONUS!!!! - Chip N' Dale: Rescue Rangers
Chip: 4/10. The most "normal" one of the cast. Levelheaded characters can be just as fun and interesting as the quirky ones, but this is not the case here.
Dale: 6/10. More fun than Chip, but I never found him <i>that</i> funny.
Monterey Jack: 4/10. Very plain except for his cheese gimmick which is just that, a gimmick.
Gadget: 8/10. I remember her being capable and not much of a damsel in distress. Also likable and her nerdness wasn't overplayed to the point of irritation.
Zipper: 6/10. Likable and manages to express himself well without having a voice.
Fat Cat: 5/10. Pretty standard as a cartoon villain. I don't recall him having any gimmick that irritated me though, so that's always that.
Professor Nimnul: 5/10. Stock crazy scientist. Not fun or stylish or anything like that, but does his job to create problems for the Rescue Rangers to solve.
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Cagnazzo - 2.5 - Meh + half point for 'I'm in ur party, lolz just kidding - I'ma eat you.'
Just wanna say you're confusing him with Baigen. Cag was the Fake King nonsense right after that silly tease moment.
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Final Fantasy IV
Cecil - 6/10 Standard hero, and doesn't do anything overly dumb.
Rosa - 3.5/10
Kain - 2/10
Cid - 3/10
Rydia - 5.5/10
Tellah - 7/10
Edward - 5.5/10
Yang - 4/10
Palom - 3.5/10
Porom - 4/10
Edge - 1.5/10
FuSoYa - 4/10
Milon - 5/10
Cagnazzo - 4/10
Valvalis - 3.5/10
Rubicante 8/10
Golbez - 3/10
Zemus/Zeromus - 1/10
Soul Nomad
Revya - 6/10
Gig - 9.5/10
Danette - 7.5/10
Levin - DNR
Vitali - 5.5/10
Juno - 4/10
Grunzford - 5/10
Tricia - 5.5/10
Odie - 6/10
Endorph - 2/10
Thorndyke - 4/10
Galahad - 3/10
Pinot - 5/10
Agrippa - 5/10
Vangogh 5.5/10
Rockum - 5/10
Sockum - 5/10
Layna - 6/10
Penn - 2/10
Alexemia - 4/10
Christophe - 5/10
Euphoria - DNR
The Empress Diness - 4/10
Geshtal - 2/10
Haephness - 3/10
Virtuous - 5/10
Shauna - 0/10
Cuthbert - 3/10
Kanan - 4.5/10
Lobo - 5/10
Feinne - 4/10
Thuris - 7.5/10
Raksha - 10/10
Drazil - 3/10
Gamma - 3/10
Joules - 3/10
Dio - 6/10
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Final Fantasy IV
Cecil: 4/10. Standard Hero with good stuff early game, but I disagree about him not doing anything overly dumb; he's probably one of the biggest unintentional idiots I've ever seen when you actually look at some of the stuff he does.
EXAMPLE:
Cecil: We're going to the moon to stop Zeromus! Edge, Kain, LET'S GO! Rosa, Rydia, you girls stay back cause this is dangerous! Nevermind, we've been through dangerous stuff the entire game, and you two have been exceedingly helpful, what with Rydia saving us against Golbez and Rosa's being our only healer, WE CAN'T TAKE YOU! Also, lets ignore the fact that failure here means humanity is doomed ANYWAY!
There is no excuse for that, none. The amount of cutscene incompetence Cecil has throughout FF4 is pretty damn insulting when people say he's a great example of an RPG Main...I almost feel like Bartz's idiocy (which WAS intended) was inspired by Cecil's unintentional incompetence, given FF5 itself is a satire.
Rosa: 3/10. Proto-Rinoa. All she does is swoon over Cecil, then have something happen to her which turns her into a Damsel in Distress. I've heard arguments that she's suppose to represent Cecil's "Conscious" except that role kind of dies really early when Cecil clearly is doing the redemption thing, and its completely lost when he becomes a Paladin.
Kain: 3/10. He COULD have had Depth, but everything about him is "He gets mind controlled -> does bad things -> breaks free -> angsts about failures and blames himself!" No, a character whose wishy washy like that can only be pulled off *IF* they actually had free will in the manner; Kain was mind controlled on every front; oh sure, he was weak which caused it to happen, but the game shows on numerous occasions that Kain is a good person who would NOT do wrong if someone isn't controlling him, so I'm not pitying him.
Cid: 6/10. Actually kind of amusing; the only Disney Death in the game I can sympathize with, because it felt so over the top to the point that him LIVING actually adds to the hilarity, since that felt like his thing; a character you're not suppose to take seriously, just exists for the extra entertainment.
Rydia: 4/10. Her stuff as a child was kind of ok, and a stylish entrance as an adult. Thing is, she's dropped far worse than Cecil is as a character; after she rejoins, her entire character is "ho-hum, I'm just here to be a pretty, single black mage that fanboys will gush over, don't mind me." And then she has a "WAAAH! PEOPLE ARE GETTING HURT! I WON'T STAND FOR THIS! STOP PUSHING YOURSELVES ;_;" which comes OUT OF NOWHERE and is NEVER TOUCHED UPON AGAIN.
Tellah: 5/10. HIs stuff is sad, but honestly, that's about all it is. But its more than most of the cast.
Edward: 5.5/10. I'll give him props for having actual development; he does show off that "Really wants to help out, but is too weak to really do much" well enough, but sadly, not nearly enough screen time to really make it work beyond a "Well, he's got something" point.
Yang: 3/10. Personality-less vacuum of a Token Monk, with a bullshit "Hey, I'm alive, see!" scenario.
Palom: 3.5/10. Half a point for having a personality, but otherwise, "SUPER TALENTED KID AWAY!"
Porom: 3.5/10. Half a point for reprimanding Palom with her fist when he was getting annoying, but otherwise "SUPER TALENTED AND WELL-MANNERED KID AWAY!" who happens to be the polar opposite of her brother.
Edge: 5/10. He's kind of funny at times...kind of.
FuSoYa: 2/10. A plot device in the form of a PC, when it comes down to it.
Milon: 2/10. One scene wonder, and that one scene is pretty meaningless.
Cagnazzo: 3/10. He has more scenes than Milon, thus automatically better!?
Valvalis: 3.5/10. Half a point for mocking Kain.
Rubicante: 6/10. Hey look, the Honorable Bad Guy Trope done BEFORE it became the norm! I'll give him respect for that much at least.
Golbez: 5/10. Conflicted here; on one hand, his FF4DS form gives him actual backstory and a remote sense of depth, to the point where he shows shades of a decent character. on the other hand, FF4o, he's just another Kain, who like him, got mind controlled, recovers, then moans about all the bad things he did while controlled, then goes on the redemption thing. As a villain, he gets a point at least for being threatening, since he DOES tend to kick your teams ass when he appears, so that's something. I guess an "average" score works.
Zemus/Zeromus: 0/10. One of the worst Space Fleas of all time. He ONLY exists so Golbez could become a Darth Vader, instead of your standard threatening Evil villain. He exists, gets his ass kicked, his HATRED LIVES ON!!! ...then that gets its ass kicked after showing a single instance of competence, dying to the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!!! done in the tacky idiot style way (contrast to the Giant of Bab-il which was POWER OF FRIENDSHIP done in a more realistic "Your friends are all gonna help you out directly!" style, which I find somewhat better and considerably more stylish), but then he goes "I'M STILL NOT DEAD! MWAHAHAHAH! YES, THIS IS LOOSE SEQUEL BAIT THAT WILL BE TOTALLY IGNORED UNTIL 17 YEARS LATER, I WIN!"
yeah, I have almost no respect for FF4's overall cast; people who hype the cast really make me scratch my head cause there is almost nothing there.
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Cecil- 7/10
Rosa- 5/10
Kain- 2/10 I'm evil, no Im not, I'm evil again, no I'm not
Cid- 1/10 Ugly
Rydia- 10/10 Love her so much
Tellah- 5/10
Edward- 7/10 SPOONY BARD
Yang- 7/10
Palom-8/10 HORNY
Porom- 3/10
Edge- 7/10 Horny
FuSoYa- 5/10
Milon- 2/10
Cagnazzo- 3/10
Valvalis 5/10 I gave her a backstory once, does that count
Rubicante- 7/10 Heals you
Golbez- 7/10
Zemus/Zeromus- 1/10 randomly says puff at the end of his speech. Zeromus is a Jigglypuff. If that was true he would be higher.
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FF5 is a satire? I don't think Square is quite that self-aware.
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Final Fantasy IV
Cecil- 4/10 -1 for misogyny
Rosa- 2/10 -2 for promoting misogyny
Kain- 4/10. Would be awesome if he were actually just a bad person and not MIND CONTROLLED LOL
Cid: 6/10. badass uom
Rydia: 4/10. um
Tellah: 5/10. Amusing.
Edward: 3/10. um
Yang: 2/10. Gets suckered by the ex-king
Palom: 3/10 um
Porom: 2/10 um -1
Edge: 4/10
FuSoYa: 1/10. um
Milon: Has lines?
Cagnazzo: Has lines?
Valvalis Has lines?
Rubicante: 5/10
Golbez: 3/10. lulz
Zemus/Zeromus: 0/10. How did you type an entire paragraph about him meeple
WRITE IN: Ex-King of Fabul: 10/10. Makes Yang do all his work while he keeps the crown AND sleeps with Yang's Wife. Godlike.
Soul Nomad
Revya: 5/10.
Gig 9.5/10
Danette 6/10
Levin ---
Vitali: 5/10
Juno um
Grunzford um
Tricia 6/10. cute.
Odie 6/10. amusing
Endorph: 3/10. Too perfect to be honest.
Thorndyke: um
Galahad: 3/10.
Pinot: 4/10
Agrippa: 3/10
Vangogh um
Rockum um
Sockum um
Layna um
Penn um
Alexemia WHO?!
Christophe WHO?!
Euphoria WHO?!
The Empress Diness um
Geshtal 3/10. meh
Haephness: um
Virtuous um
Shauna 6/10. Biatch.
Cuthbert: 3/10
Kanan 6/10. My sister's eating paint chips again maybe that's why she;s insane
Lobo: um
Feinne 3/10
Thuris 8/10
Raksha: 9/10
Drazil: um
Gamma um
Joules um
Dio 3/10.
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FF5 is a satire? I don't think Square is quite that self-aware.
If it isn't the GBA translation sure is. (And I love it)
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Final Fantasy IV
Cecil 5/10
Rosa 3/10
Kain 4/10
Cid 1/10
Rydia 5/10
Tellah 4/10
Edward 7/10 his music can change the pull of gravity and that is badass.
Yang 3/10
Palom 4/10
Porom 4/10
Edge 5/10
FuSoYa 1/10
Milon: 1/10 Random Zombie man
Cagnazzo: 8/10 - People forget that he only has less screentime then Golbez but in exchange does far more. I'd say he does more then all the other villains combined! Just because you don't see it doesn't mean he didn't do it.
Valvalis: 1/10 Token Female villain dressed in just bra and panties. Not my cup of tea so such characters aren't going to be rated highly by me. Now if she was a random Zombie women while Milon was a bronzed god wearing nothing but underwear then I might have rated them a bit higher for the role reversal.
Rubicante: 7/10 - Good for his time. Nice name. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8vz186pjY0
Golbez: 8/10 - Turning into a hand was shit but the remakes "Oh crap I'm dead.........idiots" was pretty cool.
Zemus/Zeromus:1/10 - If any guy deserved to be in Disidia it was him. He is so horrible they need to completely derail his character to make him decent.
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Weeeeeeeeelllllllll then! Vote counting is a gooooooo!
Final Fantasy IV (9 Votes)
Cecil - 4.72
Rosa - 2.72
Kain - 1.89
Cid - 4.33
Rydia - 5.17
Tellah - 4.67
Edward - 4.89
Yang - 3.56
Palom - 3.67
Porom - 3.72
Edge - 3.72
FuSoYa - 3.33
Milon - 2.5
Cagnazzo - 2.94
Valvalis 3
Rubicante - 5.44
Golbez 4
Zemus/Zeromus 1.11
Soul Nomad (5 Votes)
Revya - 5.8
Gig - 9.5
Danette - 7.6
Levin - 6.8
Vitali - 5.9
Juno - 4.4
Grunzford - 4.9
Tricia - 6.3
Odie - 6.6
Endorph - 5.6
Thorndyke - 4.5
Galahad - 4.7
Pinot - 4.6
Agrippa - 3.6
Vangogh - 5.2
Rockum - 4.67
Sockum - 4.67
Layna - 5.7
Penn - 3.9
Alexemia - 4
Christophe - 4.9
Euphoria - 4.75
The Empress Diness - 4.33
Geshtal - 3.7
Haephness - Sorry Goddess, you're OUT!!!
Virtuous - 7
Shauna - 5.2
Cuthbert - 3.63
Kanan - 6.4
Lobo - 4.8
Feinne - 4.2
Thuris - 6.3
Raksha - 7.6
Drazil - 3.4
Gamma - 3
Joules - 3
Dio - 5.6
BONUS!!!! - Chip N' Dale: Rescue Rangers (4 Votes)
Chip - 4.25
Dale - 7
Monterey Jack - 4.5
Gadget - 7.5
Zipper - 4.75
Fat Cat - 6
Professor Nimnul - 5.67
Good
1) Gig: 9.5
2) Lily: 8.85
3) Yuri (SH1): 8.79
4) Nanako: 8.56
5) Kanji: 8.40
6) Dojima: 8.36
7) Yosuke: 8.20
8) Flay: 7.93
9) Auron: 7.84
10) Rupert Dandridge: 7.8
Bad
1) Goto: 1.00
2) Zemus/Zeromus: 1.11
3) Raven: 1.5
4) Alonso: 1.78
5) Kain(FF4): 1.89
6) Alfina: 1.94
7) Gogo: 2.00
8) Ash: 2.1
9) Duke: 2.2
10) Umaro: 2.45
Alright, more fun times ahead! Get ready for...2 old games and a bonus!
Final Fantasy 5
Butz/Bartz
Lenna/Reina
Faris
Galuf
Cara/Krile
Kelgar (Warrior of Dawn, the Werewolf)
Xezat (Warrior of Dawn, the guy with the submarine)
Cid
Mid
King Tycoon
Ghido/Gill/Guido (the Turtle)
Boco/Boko
Exdeath
Gilgamesh
Xenogears
Fei
Elly
Citan
Bart
Rico
Billy
Maria
Chu-Chu
Emeralda
Margie
Big Joe
Dan
Hammer
Jesiah Black
Sigurd
Dominia
Kelvena
Tolone
Seraphita
Emperor Cain
Ramsus
Grahf
Miang
Krelian
BONUS!!!!: The Princess Bride
Buttercup
Westley
Inigo Montoya
Fezzik
Prince Humperdinck
Vizzini
Count Rugen
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Edit: I guess these can be done too
Final Fantasy 5
(Going largely by the PSX version)
Butz/Bartz - Meh. 3/10
Lenna/Reina - Meh. 3/10
Faris - Meh. 3/10
Galuf - UOM powah. 4/10
Cara/Krile - Meh. 3/10
Kelgar (Warrior of Dawn, the Werewolf) - DNR
Xezat (Warrior of Dawn, the guy with the submarine) - DNR
Cid - Meh. 3/10
Mid - Meh. 3/10
King Tycoon - DNR
Ghido/Gill/Guido (the Turtle) - Meh. 3/10
Boco/Boko - <_<
Exdeath - RAR EBIL TREE. 2/10
Gilgamesh - Funny punch clock villain. 6/10
Xenogears
Fei - Blah. 3/10
Elly - Was... man, I don't even know, really. 4/10
Citan - Doc is awesome. 9/10
Bart - Ugh. Idiotic and his antics were tiresome. 1/10
Rico - Pointless. 2/10
Billy - He was decent. 6/10
Maria - Abstain
Chu-Chu - Poorly handled mascot character. Die. 0/10
Emeralda - Abstain
Margie - There. 3/10
Big Joe - I don't even know.
Dan - Go away. 0/10
Hammer - MAD SKILLZ. 5/10
Jesiah Black - Fun enough. 6/10
Sigurd - There. 3/10
Dominia - Bitch. 3/10
Kelvena - Had no personality. 2/10
Tolone - Gets a point for the dummy/straightman routine. 4/10
Seraphita - Ditto. 4/10
Emperor Cain - I'm not even sure. He struck me as fairly decent at any rate. 5/10
Ramsus - *shrug* 5/10
Grahf - Abstain.
Miang - Abstain.
Krelian - Ugh. 2/10
Fuck yes.
BONUS!!!!: The Princess Bride
Buttercup - Could be better, could be worse. 5/10
Westley - Fun stuff. 7/10
Inigo Montoya - Also fun stuff. 8/10
Fezzik - Yep. 8/10
Prince Humperdinck - Utter unrepentant slimeball, also fun. 7/10
Vizzini - :). 8/10
Count Rugen - Not quite as fun, but had his moments. 6/10
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Xenogears
Fei: 0/10. Stop your goddamn whining you fucking crybaby.
Elly: 8/10. Competent lady. I liked her more and more as the game went on.
Citan: 10/10. Hell fuckin' yeah.
Bart: 1/10. Tool.
Rico: 2/10. No personality to speak of and has way too much crap related to him.
Billy: 6/10. Saint gone astray with a sceptre and a gun. (Or maybe just a gun.)
Maria: 3/10. Rico clause, but has less plot to annoy me.
Chu-Chu: 4/10. Chu-Chu on a cross + Chu-Chu is a bad girl. Chu-Chu is cute and pink and huggable.
Emeralda: 4/10. Maria except hot.
Margie: 4/10. Meh.
Big Joe: 6/10. Amusing enough, I guess.
Dan: 0/10. Why does an eight year old have male pattern baldness?
Hammer: 5/10. Mad skillz. RANDOM BETRAYAL
Jesiah Black: 5/10. Stylish enough, I guess.
Sigurd: 3/10. I liked Sigurd a lot most of the game until he pulls this bullshit about "Oh Fei, it doesn't matter if you save the world, the world is unimportant compared to the person you love!". This is so fucking stupid because if you save the girl and not the world, then the world dies and that was completely pointless. I absolutely loathe when stories try to justify putting one character over the lives of many. Regardless of how important that character is, you should not consider one person's life worth an entire world's. This plot point is also what makes me blow up about Shion in XS2, and one stupid throwaway line will force me to lower Sigurd's score by a lot. It's just a pet peeve of mine.
Dominia: 3/10
Kelvena: 3/10
Tolone: 3/10
Seraphita 6/10. Gets 3 points for being really cute and huggable.
Emperor Cain: 10/10, he is me (Um, not really. 5/10! Sorry OK!)
Ramsus: 9/10. Excellent.
Grahf: 3/10. Not excellent.
Miang: 8/10. Good stuff.
Krelian: 3/10. Not good stuff.
BONUS!!!!: The Princess Bride
Buttercup: 5/10. Fine.
Westley: 8/10. Cary Elwes.
Inigo Montoya: 8/10. You killed my father. Prepare to die.
Fezzik: 9/10. ^.^ I just love him and wanna hug him.
Prince Humperdinck: 8/10. One character that I like much better in the book.
Vizzini: 8/10. Awesome.
Count Rugen: 4/10. meh.
I'll rate others later!
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Final Fantasy 5
Butz/Bartz- 3/10. So, I played the PS1 version.
Lenna/Reina- 4/10. Which wasn't terribly well written.
Faris- 6/10. And while some bits of the plot came through pretty entertaining.
Galuf- 3/10. Others not so much.
Cara/Krile- 4/10. So y'know.
Kelgar (Warrior of Dawn, the Werewolf)- DNR.
Xezat (Warrior of Dawn, the guy with the submarine)- DNR.
Cid- I forget which lines were Cid and which were Mid.
Mid- So skipping them.
King Tycoon- DNR.
Ghido/Gill/Guido (the Turtle)- ... tempted to just give him a good score because the one bit of the later versions I know is his line, but nah.
Boco/Boko- 4/10. BOCO.
Exdeath- 3/10. Mr. Generic.
Gilgamesh- 6/10. They can't all suck.
Xenogears
Fei- 10/10. Setting aside that I have a weakness for psychologically-driven writing to start with, Fei is just an astoundingly compelling character. He has sort of a man-child thing going on in the beginning, which the game gets away with because you can see him actively making mistakes with it, or suffering in new ways, and actually incorporating what happens to him into his actions. He's trying desperately to keep up with a world he understands less as he learns more, and it really is the driving force of the whole game.
Elly- 10/10. Shallow love interest.
(by which I mean, what happens when you put a lot of time and effort into analysing the psyche of a shallow love interest character, and examining what sort of person could behave the over the top, and at times (like this one) outright messianic way one does.)
Citan- 9/10. There are two ways to write a character as awesome as citan without it being all mary sue. You can kill them at the start of the story and have them as the prime motivator of your hero (ala Zack), or you can give them a handful of really epic fuckups and show how they have to bust ass to make up for it (X-wing fans may recognize Corran Horn here). Citan does that.
Bart- 7/10. I like Bart. He has just that right level of idiot, a sort of honest dufus thing, that's kinda likable.
Rico- 3/10. Boring. Xenogears really drops the ball on the supporting cast after a point, and Rico's nailed hard by it.
Billy- 5/10. Like Rico, except at least his story arc had resolution.
Maria- 4/10. Her story arc is even shorter.
Chu-Chu- 2/10. Chu-Chu probably could have been funny, if they'd picked their battles much, much better on where to use her.
Emeralda- 10/10. Emmy is an adorable woobie and screw you guys.
Margie- 4/10. Not a fan.
Big Joe- 6/10. Are you interrupting Joe's amoré time?
Dan- 4/10. Considering he's supposed to be 7 or something, not so bad.
Hammer- 7/10. Actually funny a couple times.
Jesiah Black- 6/10. Pretty cool.
Sigurd- 7/10.
Dominia- 4/10. Bitch.
Kelvena- 3/10. Non-entity.
Tolone- 6/10. Can't say no to a pretty(ish) Star Trech fan.
Seraphita- 7/10. Gin'n'Tonic Futon Brain.
Emperor Cain- 4/10. His backstory elements are nice, but the game uses him pretty badly.
Ramsus- 10/10. Hey, real villains. Again, I love the deconstruction elements here, and that they could make a villain you feel so BAD about beating up is pretty cool as an achievement.
Grahf- 6/10. Kinda a wanker. Great at moving the story along at least.
Miang- 10/10. what a bitch.
Krelian- 8/10. I really like Krelian's concept. He's a troubled guy who becomes a great scientist and... uses the power of SCIENCE to usurp the ancient living gods of mankind, join forces with the grand bitch, work out the complex system underlying the world better than the people who've had lifetimes to understand it, basically takes charge of the entire overarching plot, and then undercuts them all because he really just wanted to know what sort of God could create this world. I dunno, there's something about that sort of scheming and motivation I really enjoy.
BONUS!!!!: The Princess Bride
Buttercup- 7/10. Book.
Westley- 8/10. Movie.
Inigo Montoya- 8/10. Equal.
Fezzik- 7/10. Equal.
Prince Humperdinck- 7/10. Movie.
Vizzini- 8/10. Movie.
Count Rugen- 7/10. Movie.
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Hey, game I liked:
Fei- Uhmm... fuck. Which Fei are we talking about? Coward Fei is intolerable. Backstory Fei is a pretty cool concept. 7/10?
Elly- 8/10. I rather disliked Elly until I concluded something: she was literally made to be Fei's ideal woman and that's why she is always getting killed for him over and over again. And then I realized how fucked up that was, that you would make a perfect woman for someone by reading their mind and then program her to die for that person, possibly an infinite number of times, and that he would basically always see it.
Citan- 10/10. Citan rules.
Bart- 7/10. I want to rate Bart higher but the game really drops the ball with everyone but Fei, Elly, Ramsus, Miang and Krelian after Solaris. Even Citan suffers here.
Rico- 2/10. Sorry, Rico. I wanted to like you but you get zero resolution.
Billy- 6/10. Billy's pretty cool.
Maria- 1/10. The thing with the robot was pretty fucked up, but that's the Gear being cool, not her.
Chu-Chu- 0/10. Fucking mascot characters.
Emeralda- DNR. Does she have any actual interaction with the plot? I remember her being more or less an entirely passive observer the entire game.
Margie- 3/10. She is better than Rico.
Big Joe- 8/10. He's fuckin BIG JOE. Even when the world goes to shit he's there to cheer me up and sell me drugs.
Dan- 2/10. I can't remember what happened to him.
Hammer- 6/10. You know, I really understand where he's coming from. Everyone else gets to fly around in giant robots and kick people's asses with Macross cannons that they fire from a shotgun and he has to turn in to a rat thing.
Jesiah Black- 6/10. Pretty much, the Original Elements crew was the highlight of the cast. Mostly, I enjoy how he underscores the relevance of some of the people you originally don't think twice about. It was what got me thinking originally about how there was no way it was a coincidence and something weird was going down.
Sigurd- 5/10. He was awesome until that speech. The hell, dude. WORLD IS ALWAYS FIRST.
Skipping new Elements.
Emperor Cain- 7/10. I actually really like Cain, and how he seems like a huge jerkass at the beginning, just on a snap judgement, but then at the end you find out that it's way more complicated than "DUDE NAMED EMPEROR" + "GOLD SKULL HEAD AND FLOATY CHAIR" = "EVIL BOSS" It's mostly that I appreciate the juxtaposition of his art and superficial motives with what he secretly did behind the scenes.
Ramsus- 11/10. Ramsus is probably my favorite villain ever, except maybe Driscoll from FM1. His gradual change is, overall, a pretty big shift, but it's always done realistically, and once you realize what the deal with Krelian and Miang is, it makes perfect sense. They made him desperately crave approval and love, and strung him along with it. He was the one piece they really needed and could not do without, and not once was he ever forced in to anything he did. He always thought it was his decision to make.
Grahf- 8/10. Grahf oozes style, and his big twist was actually really cool, and foreshadowed effectively.
Miang- 10/10. Miang plays the entire cast like a drum, and they always think they were doing it themselves.
Krelian- 9/10. Even though Krelian is just a guy, he still outsmarted everyone, even the ones that are infinity years old. -1 because having him ascend rather than having Billy shoot him in the back was bullshit.
I am kind of cheating, as I have a copy of Perfect Works that me and four friends spent a summer translating, though.
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Final Fantasy 5 - Mostly a 'whatever' cast
Butz/Bartz - 4
Lenna/Reina - 2
Faris - 5 - Point for "we were supposed to think she was a man?"
Galuf - 6 - Not bad for a trope I generally dislike
Cara/Krile - 3
Kelgar (Warrior of Dawn, the Werewolf) - DNR
Xezat (Warrior of Dawn, the guy with the submarine) - DNR
Cid - 5
Mid - 3
King Tycoon - DNR
Ghido/Gill/Guido (the Turtle) - DNR
Boco/Boko - 10 - Awesome
Exdeath - 1.5
Gilgamesh - 7
Xenogears - CK and Rob covered its good points well
Fei - 8.5 - Loses two points for bad dialogue when he's whiny, even though the whininess itself is generally a reasonable reaction in most cases
Elly - 7 - Well done, but I just didn't grow that attached to her. Liked her previous incarnations more than her current one.
Citan - 9 - Awesome
Bart - 7 - Well-used character for the most part. He made a good foil for Fei early on.
Rico - 5 - Some of the subtle horror of his backstory was cool, which makes him about average.
Billy - 7 - Stuff with Stone was memorable. His sister was a failure plot device though.
Maria - 4 - Needed a personality.
Chu-Chu - 5 - Cute mascot, the crucifixion was hilarious and horrible, but so damn -memorable- that it at least deserves a 5.
Emeralda - 8 - Such a short amount of time to shine, but her backstory and all that it entails was fascinating and I actually really liked her role in Fei's maturing, especially the flashbacks to his incarnation that created Emeralda.
Margie - 4 - Cute enough. Came off as something of a playing-dumb-intentionally puppet ruler when she was dealing with Ramsus, which I found interesting. Possibly I was looking at it too closely though.
Big Joe - 5
Dan - 5
Hammer - 5
Jesiah Black - 8
Sigurd - 7.5
Dominia - 4.5
Kelvena - 3.5
Tolone - 4
Seraphita - 5
Emperor Cain - 7
Ramsus - 8
Grahf - 8
Miang - 7.5
Krelian - 7
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FF5 is a satire? I don't think Square is quite that self-aware.
First off, Square of then is not Square of now. Branching from that, I've heard that the japanese text was indeed rather satirical in nature. FF5 was, at the time, the RE4 of jRPGs; kind of mocked the genre by playing to cliches, keeping things a certain way on purpose, what have you.
Just all fan translations and FF5 Anthologies both decided to translate the game COMPLETELY SERIOUS, so the humor toned nature was completely lost beside a few select areas (like Gilgamesh), and that's why FF5's writing seemed like a step back from FF4.
FF5a was the first to catch on that FF5 was not a serious game. Sure, they made the game more blatantly humor toned, and added pop-culture references in, thus the style of humor was changed, but at least they got the spirit of the game's text properly, so the game's dialog was actually amusing.
Basically, people who whine about FF5a's translation are morons cause no, FF5a didn't turn a SERIOUS GAME into a playful silly one...its more that all those other translations turned a silly game into an EPIC SERIOUS STORY!!! with bad writing, and FF5a actually fixed it.
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FF5 is like "The Room." It just sucks and they try to claim its a satire to cover its suck. I don't know that Square has EVER been self-aware, and the stuff that was well ahead of its time, they stumbled upon mostly by accident and didn't revisit (see: optional character exposition).
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Butz/Bartz- 3/10 there
Lenna/Reina- 3/10 there
Faris -7/10 Pirate
Galuf- 6/10 sacrifice
Cara/Krile- 6/10 Cute and can talk to moogles
Kelgar (Warrior of Dawn, the Werewolf)- Why all the DNR? I remember this guy perfectly 1/10 though
Xezat (Warrior of Dawn, the guy with the submarine)- Same here why all the DNR, his sacrifice was cool 7/10
Cid- 5/10 for multiple Cids when repairing the airship
Mid- 5/10 for Multiple Mids when repairing the airship
King Tycoon- 1/10 there
Ghido/Gill/Guido (the Turtle)- 7/10 for the ninja turtle reference in the remake
Boco/Boko- 7/10 Chocobos
Exdeath- 1/10 evil tree
Gilgamesh- 10/10 Awesome and has the best music in any final fantasy game
Xenogears
Fei 5/10
Elly 7/10
Citan 9/10
Bart 7/10 Bartwiser!
Rico 1/10 there
Billy 5/10
Maria 3/10
Chu-Chu 5/10 for Chu chu on a cross!
Emeralda 7/10 Yeah I liked her
Margie 4/10 there
Big Joe 7/10 LOL he was funny
Dan- 0/10 DIE IN A FIRE DAN
Hammer- 7/10 Mad skillz
Jesiah Black- 3/10
Sigurd- Who was he again? this isnt a DNR
Dominia- 2/10
Kelvena- 2/10
Tolone- 5/10
Seraphita- 5/10
Emperor Cain- DNR
Ramsus- 6/10 TRASH
Grahf- abstain, he was confusing so I'm not sure who all I am ranking here
Miang- 4/10
Krelian- 6/10
BONUS!!!!: The Princess Bride
Buttercup- 5/10
Westley- 8/10
Inigo Montoya- 10/10.
Fezzik 6/10
Prince Humperdinck- 5/10
Vizzini 5/10
Count Rugen- I dont remember who this was, its been a while since I've seen the movie.
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Sigurd is the white-haired buddy of Bart who is his voice of reason. Also has an eyepatch.
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Final Fantasy 5
Butz/Bartz- 4/10. Somewhat above a silent main, but not much.
Lenna/Reina- 4/10. The only outstanding trait she has is her willingness to risk her life for Hiryus.
Faris- 6/10. Fun the few times her personality was actually relevant.
Galuf- 7/10. Had the most plot attached to him and a great exit scene.
Cara/Krile- 7/10. Manages to show the most personality with the least amount of screentime. Cute and somewhat cool.
Kelgar- 2/10. "Grr, how dare you release the trash we dumped in your world without giving you adequate information about?" Also could have been removed and very little would have changed.
Xezat- 6/10. Did his part of the plot and had a good exit.
Cid- 4/10. Mostly uninteresting.
Mid- 4/10. Mostly uninteresting.
King Tycoon- 3/10. Fully uninteresting.
Ghido/Gill/Guido- 4/10. Him laying on his back was funny, but mostly he's playing the boring sage type character.
Boco/Boko- 4/10. He's a giant chicken with a name.
Exdeath- 3/10. Why declare someone an evil tree and then make him behave as a dull human?
Gilgamesh- 6/10. Mostly good for laugh, but I didn't find him that fun. Good job at staying in character even when sacrificing himself.
Xenogears
Fei- 6/10. He had a lot of interesting things happening to him, but he himself was rather dull.
Elly- 5/10. She was interesting early on as she struggled between her loyalty and her feelings for Fei. Once that struggle vanished and she turned into some sort of saint, she did nothing but to annoy me.
Citan- 9/10. Awesome. He managed to pull of an impressive amount of roles without any of them coming of as awkward.
Bart- 6/10. Most XG characters who aren't Fei, Elly or Citan falls into the trap of just being there. Bart does however occasionally gain relevance.
Rico- 4/10. Doesn't get much resolution in his own arc and spends the rest of the game just being there.
Billy- 5/10. Seemed good at first. We had a 16 years old who acted more mature than his age, but sometimes that act would fail. He also carried some interesting burdens. However, the resolution was disappointing and after that he just was there.
Maria- 4/10. Another "just there" character.
Chu-Chu- 2/10. The "just there" character with the shortest arc. Her only scene of relevance consisted of her pouring crap into Maria's arc.
Emeralda- 4/10. Just there.
Margie- 6/10. Good enough for the scenes she is in. I rather liked her.
Big Joe- 6/10. Funny, but not that funny.
Dan- 3/10. Annoying, but gave me the option of beating him up.
Hammer- 7/10. Served his purposes well. Rather amusing, but I was not impressed at his attempt at a serious scene.
Jesiah Black- 2/10. Well, he had more plot relevance than a lot of playable characters. Unfortunately, a lot of it consist of being the man who knows that the church is evil. Mostly he just annoyed me.
Sigurd- 5/10. Not anything special, but serves his purpose.
Dominia- 2/10. Annoying recurring boss fight which could have been avoided had the XG cast had the sense to kill the elementals after defeating them.
Kelvena- 2/10. See Dominia.
Tolone- 2/10. See Dominia.
Seraphita- 2/10. See Dominia.
Emperor Cain- 6/10. He looked like a stereotypical evil mastermind, but turned out to be something else.
Ramsus- 8/10. One of the coolest antagonists. Props to the game to start with a stable character and have him slip towards insanity rather than start with the insanity and backstory the explanation. He could have been a 10/10 material, but he needed to do something useful once he figured out he was deceived.
Grahf- 7/10. The most stylish XG character. I did not buy the explanation for his existence though.
Miang- 7/10. Worked well as a manipulator. She had her goal and did what it toke to accomplish it.
Krelian- 5/10. He did a good job at tying the plot together. He managed to manipulate a lot of events to go his way. However, his backstory is very disappointing since considering the length he went, the motivation seemed really weak. Him not getting killed at the end is also a slap in the face.
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[17:55:06] <Chikoelend> You have to blaze a new trail, tide
[17:55:32] <+Tide|cantsleepRICHARDwilleatme> wat?
[17:56:10] <Chikoelend> You have the power to give that rating!
Yeah, so I am commenting. OK can determine score values because OK is pro.
Extra Pro tip: Feel free to completely discount this post.
Xenogears
Fei: Man with balls in a sling/10
Citan: Faster than Ragu/10
Bart: PAUNCH'd by Id/10
Rico: GIANT MUTANT/10
Billy: Shoots dad out of cannon/10
Maria: Loli/10
Chu-Chu: Died for your sins. Grefter/10
Emeralda: CK bait/10
Margie: Smarter than Bart/10
Big Joe: Best drug seller ever/10
Hammer: MAD SKILLZ/10.
Jesiah Black: Shot out of cannon/10.
Sigurd: Love conquers all/10
Emperor Cain: NOT KAIN/10
Ramsus: NOT TRASH/10
Grahf: ULTIMATE POWER/10
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With the holiday in effect, this will be updating tomorrow.
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Remember to add the Vesperia cast to the "Good" section.
And so this post isn't worthless...
Final Fantasy 5
Butz/Bartz: 5/10 There
Lenna/Reina: 3/10 There, dies for Dragons.
Faris: 4/10 IS A GIRL There
Galuf: 8/10 Pretty rockin' honestly.
Cara/Krile: 3/10 GALUF DIED FOR YOUR SINS There
Kelgar: 2/10 Is a werewolf. Does he do anything else? Right... not really.
Xezat: 7/10 Dammit, I like the guy for utterly inexplicable reasons.
Cid: 3/10 weakass cid
Mid: 2/10 Mot-cid.
King Tycoon: 4/10 Uhhhh, at least he tries!
Ghido/Gill/Guido (the Turtle): 7/10 TURTLE POWER YEAHHHHHHH!
Boco/Boko: 2/10 CHBOCONOOOOOOOO
Exdeath: 1/10 Is a tree yarrrr.
Gilgamesh: 9/10 Hey look, someone who matters!
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FASTER THAN RAGUUUU
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Not sure if I buy Meeple's hype. I'm willing to believe that FF5 was meant to be somewhat comedic, yes. I'm not willing to believe it actually *succeeded* at doing comedy at all well. The scenes and elements don't really seem to be there to make that work.
Final Fantasy 5
Butz/Bartz - 2/10. Utterly, utterly generic hero. Like, THE archetype. Do-gooder wanderer with no particular plot aside from his dad was an adventurer, turns out he can save the world due to the crystals dad was awesome blah blah still has no discernible personality or anything.
Lenna/Reina - 2/10. SHE LIKES ANIMALS. To the point of suicidal craziness. But it works anyway and helps her get summon beasts on her side or something. If I felt the plot dealt with the weight of how weird / nutty she is and addressed this, I'd give it more credit, but as is it just feels lazy. Also the Tycoon Castle King plot was stupid.
Faris - 3/10. Okay cross-dressing pirate is slightly more interesting, but she never really does much with it.
Galuf - 5/10. Doesn't fail! The (admittedly contrived) scene where his lack of memories about Cara enables him to save the party is neat, amnesia is cliche but hey he was trying to help, and the "Galuf fights Exdeath" thing is reasonably badass for the time period.
Cara/Krile - 4/10. Doesn't fail as much as the cast, and I seem to recall her lines being moderately competent, but doesn't do anything either.
Kelgar (Warrior of Dawn, the Werewolf) - DNR
Xezat (Warrior of Dawn, the guy with the submarine) - DNR
Cid - DNR
Mid -DNR
King Tycoon - 2/10. His plot was stupid, as was him randomly mattering in the endgame too.
Ghido/Gill/Guido (the Turtle) - DNR
Boco/Boko - DNR, but has an excuse for lack of lines / plot!
Exdeath - 3/10 Exdeath is one of the worst villains in the series, really. His "use-the-power-of-the-void to do evil stuff" plot is lame, cliche, and unexplained. He gets credit for one thing and one thing only: he's a decent presence villain. I'm willing to respect that he gets in your face and messes with your plans and zaps towns into the Void etc. and makes you fear him.
Gilgamesh - 4/10. Amusing, but cool battle music only goes so far.
Xenogears
Fei - 7/10. Fei's wuss phase is frustrating, but characters do sort of call him out on it, so I'm not going to dock points. I'm willing to accept destined romance but they could have sold Fei / Elly's dialogue a little better. And I liked the plot arc with the murders by (Id? Redrum?) in the sewers as an Id thing. Generally like the Coward/ Id / Fei psychodrama as well. A lot of the gear comments - say, from Id - don't come off nearly as badass to me as the game thinks they are, but oh well.
Elly - 7/10. Sure Elly worked. I liked the Drive plotline and the Solaris plotline, though her writing was too blah. Elly-the-savior in Disc 2 was more meh. (SIDE RANT: 90% of the population dies off-handedly due to mutating and turning into Wels or something as a side plotline, yet nobody with a name dies, as they all had a bit of Adam's blood or something. If they wanted us to care about this plotline and treat it with the gravity that we should for mass world plague death, they needed to kill someone we knew / was important - say Rico or something. Not just have nameless people drinking Elly's blood. Sigh.)
Citan - 9/10. The man. Seriously this character archetype is inherently cool and -they pull it off- here, as it's easy to screw this kind of character up. Cool backstory, he acts intelligently, they don't do a cliched "and then Citan figured out Solaris was wrong and betrayed his home!" deal, respects his opponents, etc. Manages Fei pretty well, too.
Bart - 6/10. Bart was good, sure. Kinda ceased to exist in parts of the plot but was a nice contrast to Fei. Game is rather blase about the whole "oh and by the way Aveh is now a democracy I resign" part but eh.
Rico - 4/10. Existed. I liked the Kislev plot arc but not really for Rico's role in it. Ceases to exist afterward.
Billy - 5/10. Meh. "Priest with gunz" is passably cool but his plot arcs weren't the game's strongest.
Maria - 6/10. I liked her plot, actually. Kind of a pleasant surprise that she's a PC, as she's not in the instruction manual.
Chu-Chu - 2/10. One of the lamer mascot characters ever. Allegedly according to backstory hype she's one of the planet's native inhabitants before Deus and Adam but the game goes into this like not at all.
Emeralda - 5/10. Uh her plot was an interesting side note that helped drive in the many-lives-of-Fei angle, and Id's "You have something that's mine" quote was one of his best ones as far as I'm concerned. That said Emeralda herself doesn't really exist, even if the colony-of-nanomachines thing was cool.
Margie - 5/10. Okay.
Big Joe - DNR. Random dude. What the heck is he doing selling GRNS50s or whatever the super engine was, though?!
Dan - 6/10 Nice low-powered antagonist, I approve.
Hammer - 7/10 Nice pathetic antagonist, I approve.
Jesiah Black - 3/10. The weakest of the original elements by a lot. Dark Holy Elf argues that the Jessie Cannon plot deal was intentionally satire or something, but regardless it comes off as serious-yet-really-stupid. Otherwise, uh, he knows Stone is evil but didn't communicate this to Billy before. Bah.
Sigurd - 6/10. I like Sigurd & Citan's rapport, though his Bart plot is more one-dimensional.
Man, Xenogears has one of the best villain casts of all times. A nice combination of pathetic / cool / sympathetic / nutso people, and they're all at each other's throats as well as the party's. It works.
Dominia - 7/10. Id gives lots of people great excuses to hate Fei.
Kelvena , Tolone , Seraphita - 4/10. Existed. Worked as names to fight but didn't really have plot.
Emperor Cain - 8/10. Been said. Works out very nicely.
Ramsus - 9.5/10. I hand out 10s very rarely, but Ramsus tempts me. Possibly the best excuse to hate Fei ever, and his personality and drive fits - the fact that he reclaimed purpose after being discarded was inspiring enough. Just happened to also have the goal of wiping out Fei since he's literally the reason he won't find true happiness. Great villain.
Grahf - 8/10. Presence points (fighting Gears on foot!), cool idea for a villain regardless, nice music. His plot got a little too complicated and tripped over itself with the Fei's father/ Wiseman parts, and he has some motivation questions similar to Krelian, but worked.
Miang - 8/10. Another effective manipulator villain. I felt the "can command and possess all women" power to be a bit over the top, since it kind of overwhelmed any other need for sneakiness, but it worked out, and tied nicely into the Fei's mother backstory bit.
Krelian - 6/10. Krelian's okay, and excellent as scary opposition, but he never entirely clicked for me. Krelian is a cool customer who's read the script and seems to plan ahead for everything - including the last part of the game with releasing the Wave Existence. This is hard to believe, but sure, whatever, calculating supergenius with 500 years experience. He's also an incredible scientist who's done crazy stuff with nanomachines. Fine. However, what's his motive? After Sophia dies, he decides that therefore there must be no God, so he needs to go create one. And the entire 500 years of plotting is basically all about exorcising his demons from one woman. This is... fine, not implausible, it's a grand operatic motivation, but it's very clearly an emotional one. Not in any way rational. How does this get reconciled? I'm willing to believe calculating, logical scientists will do things for crazy passionate reasons, but again, I'd like to see this character issue addressed more. Xenogears is a long game so perhaps they just didn't have time, as maybe they could have sold it, but it didn't really click for me.
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If I recall, one of the murders in the sewers is Redrum, the rest are Id. When you see the scenes where someone gets clapped up in the sewers, if the camera is tinted green, it's Redrum, and red, it's Id.
I'll have to get back to you; I'm actually just getting to Kislev in my playthrough.
(SIDE RANT: 90% of the population dies off-handedly due to mutating and turning into Wels or something as a side plotline, yet nobody with a name dies, as they all had a bit of Adam's blood or something. If they wanted us to care about this plotline and treat it with the gravity that we should for mass world plague death, they needed to kill someone we knew / was important - say Rico or something. Not just have nameless people drinking Elly's blood. Sigh.)
That was kind of the point: the party members are special and cool and so they all get off okay because they are the -Animus-. (Look at me I am putting hyphens around shit). Regular people are not so lucky and it fucking SUCKS to be them. I didn't take that plot so much as being about "mass plague deaths" as I did being about, to use the phrase that the game uses numerous times, "haves and have-nots."
The failure of that storytelling was not so much the lack of a major character that it impacted, but the lack of a world to show being depopulated. If you could walk into Bledavik and see it empty because everyone turned in to a Reaper, you'd feel it more. And that, of course, goes back to the total lack of an interactive world for most of Disc 2.
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Final Fantasy 5 (9 Votes)
Butz/Bartz - 3.43
Lenna/Reina - 3
Faris - 4.86
Galuf - 5.57
Cara/Krile - 4.14
Kelgar (Warrior of Dawn, the Werewolf)
Xezat (Warrior of Dawn, the guy with the submarine) - LOL'd
Cid - 4
Mid - 3.4
King Tycoon
Ghido/Gill/Guido (the Turtle) - LOL'ed
Boco/Boko - 5.2
Exdeath - 2.07
Gilgamesh - 6.86
Xenogears (7 Votes)
Fei - 5.81 BALLS
Elly - 7
Citan - 9.25 TURNS
Bart - 5.25 BETTER SHIP PILOTS
Rico - 2.88 BETTER MUTANTS IN FICTION
Billy - FIRING A 5.63 OUT OF A CANNON
Maria - 3.57 LOLIS
Chu-Chu - 2.5 CRUCIFIXIONS
Emeralda - 6.33 CK FANGIRLS
Margie - 4.13 GPA
Big Joe - 6.33 YEARS IN PRISON FOR SELLING DRUGS
Dan - 2.5
Hammer - 6.13 MAD SKILLZ
Jesiah Black - A DISMAL 4.75 CANNONBALL SCORE
Sigurd - A LOVELY 5.21
Dominia - 3.64
Kelvena - 2.93
Tolone - 4
Seraphita - 5.71
Emperor Cain - NOT A 5.86
Ramsus - A TRASHY 8.19
Grahf - ULTIMATE 6.67
Miang - 7.79
Krelian - 5.75
BONUS!!!!: The Princess Bride (4 Votes)
Buttercup - 5.5
Westley - 7.75
Inigo Montoya - 8.5
Fezzik - 7.5
Prince Humperdinck - 6.75
Vizzini - 7.25
Count Rugen - 5.67
Good
1) Gig: 9.5
2) Citan: 9.25
3) Lily: 8.85
4) Yuri (SH1): 8.79
5) Nanako: 8.56
6) Kanji: 8.40
7) Dojima: 8.36
8) Yosuke: 8.20
9) Ramsus: 8.19
10) Flay: 7.93
Bad
1) Goto: 1.00
2) Zemus/Zeromus: 1.11
3) Raven: 1.5
4) Alonso: 1.78
5) Kain(FF4): 1.89
6) Alfina: 1.94
7) Gogo: 2.00
8) Exdeath: 2.07
9) Ash: 2.1
10) Duke: 2.2
Alright, more fun times ahead! Get ready for...2 old games and a bonus!
Wild ARMs 4
Jude
Yulie
Arnaud
Raquel
Kresnik
Ethelda (Jude's Mother)
Tony
Jeremy
Scythe
Belial
Hugo
Fiore
Asia
Balgaine
Enil
Augst
Gawn
Farmel
Lambda
Hauser
The Congressional Knights
Legend of Legaia
Vahn
Noa
Gala
Songi
Cort
BONUS!!! Mighty Morphing Power Rangers (first 3 seasons only)
Jason
Zack
Trini
Kimberly
Billy
Tommy
Rocky
Adam
Aisha
Katherine
Zordon
Alpha-5
Bulk
Skull
Ernie
Rita
Goldar
Squat
Baboo
Finster
Scorpina
Lord Zedd
Rito
Master Vile
What, you thought I'd be that predictable and move on to the Playstation Final Fantasies? Man, you do not know me well enough! Suggest some games, why don't ya'!
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Wild ARMs 4
Jude: I hate adults 1/10
Yulie: Less annoying than Jude 4/10
Arnaud: Actually interesting 7/10
Raquel: Boring 3/10
Kresnik: Stereotype Brother 2/10
Ethelda Who? DNR
Tony: I hate kids 4/10
Jeremy: +1 for each fight 4/10
Scythe: Boring 3/10
Belial: Gimmick but boring 4/10
Hugo: Gimmick but boring 4/10
Fiore: I feel bad for Jude being on the same level as these two 1/10
Asia: 1/10
Balgaine: Ugh 3/10
Enil: Gimmick but boring 4/10
Augst: AUGST 6/10
Gawn: Go away. 0/10
Farmel: Gimmick but boring 4/10
Lambda: I AM EVIL 5/10
Hauser: Go away 0/10
The Congressional Knights: DNR
BONUS!!! Mighty Morphing Power Rangers (first 3 seasons only)
Jason: He was pretty hot! 5/10
Zack: Sassy black friend 5/10
Trini: She died :( 5/10
Kimberly: Girl 4/10
Billy: Nerd 4/10
Tommy: Was actually pretty interesting. Also hot. 6/10
Rocky: The rest I don't remember
Adam
Aisha
Katherine
Zordon: Alpha, Rita's escaped. Recruit 5 teenagers with attitude 5/10
Alpha-5: ai yai yai 2/10
Bulk: The only good thing in Power Rangers 7/10
Skull: Not as good as Bulk 5/10
Ernie: The diner guy, right? 2/10
Rita: she died :( 5/10
Goldar: Boring 3/10
Squat: 3/10
Baboo 3/10
Finster 3/10
Scorpina 3/10
Lord Zedd: Less boring but still boring 4/10
Rito: I don't remember this one at all
Master Vile: Or this one
OK, do Oz next
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Wild ARMs 4
Jude: 4.5 - He had some interesting moments, but was really annoying at times, too. I liked some of his earlier scenes where he first met Yulie and acted as if he had never seen a girl before in his. The reason I liked it is because I later realized that he -hadn't- at that point. The scenes when his mom died were kind of moving, too. He was easy to sympathize with, at least. He still loses like 3.5 points for illogical leap from 'an adult did something bad' to 'All adults are evil'.
Yulie - 2 - Really really annoying, and the worst kind of demure, cutesy fanservice. I'm not sure why she's not getting a 1, I guess I just reserve that for the less generic, more offensive types of this trope.
Arnaud - 7.5 - Yes. Really thoughtful character and a great foil to Jude. Had some truly funny moments, too. Also...
Raquel - 8 - She and Arnaud work really well together. Their pair scenes are always fun to watch and I really liked her duality from 'mentor figure' to 'vulnerable human being with an artistic soul' that developed over time.
Kresnik - 2 - Same as Yulie.
Ethelda (Jude's Mother) - 5 - Worked well enough. Kind of funny earlier on, though there were some headdesk moments. I was sad when she died, so I suppose she was effective. Thank god you labeled her, though. I never remembered her name.
Tony - 1 - I despite Tony and I don't know why people find him funny.
Jeremy - 4 - Meh.
Scythe - 6 - Amusing little psycho. He and Belial generally creeped me out with their dysfunctional relationship, despite the small amount of screentime. They were a good introduction to the crazy of Brionac.
Belial - 5.5 - Slightly less effective psycho, but generally good for the short amount of screen time.
Hugo - 5.5 - Memorable, at least! Really lets Raquel and Jude shine, and his one-trick-pony-ness was perfectly suited to Brionac's super-soldier theme.
Fiore - 2 - Mostly for the bit of backstory about their incredibly creepy loliphile invisibility-powered creator.
Asia - 2
Balgaine - 3 - Too little screentime, too late to be as effective as Scythe-Belial-Hugo. Works as a one-trick-pony villain, but by now we should be getting some variation.
Enil - 5 - And Enil provides some variation! Her trick of making the team face themselves was a much better way to develop Brionac as more than just people with a lot of firepower. Actually surviving an encounter with the kids was an interesting twist.
Augst - 8 - His terrible puns made him quite endearing, and I was sad when he died.
Gawn - 7 - Fan of this trope. He was likable.
Farmel - 4 - Boobs. Also, kind of liked her relationship with Lambda, but I would have liked a little more time with her.
Lambda - 4.5 - Kind of the same as Farmel. Really felt he needed more screentime.
Hauser - 2 - Jude's dad or something.
The Congressional Knights - 3 - Better driving force than Brionac at times, so they get some points.
Legend of Legaia
Vahn - 3 - Blank slate is only so offensive. Seriously, get a personality, though.
Noa - 7 - The only real character in the game?
Gala - 5 - Had some okay scenes with Songi.
Songi - 6 - Memorable and somewhat amusing!
Cort - 5 - Uhh... Kinda helped Noa's development somewhat? Really, the villain in LoL felt more like the world itself. I know Cort's experiments led to the setting as it is, but he feels so tacked on while the Mist-covered world itself was far more fascinating before they decided to make it his fault.
BONUS!!! Mighty Morphing Power Rangers (first 3 seasons only) - Get ready for the nostalgia filter!
Jason - 3/10 - He's Cyclops with less personality. He's just kind of an upstanding soldier-type. I liked some of his episodes with Tommy during the Green Ranger thing. And I remember being excited that he came back in Season 4, but apart from that, he's just kinda there. Agreed with Neph, though, he's quite hot.
Zack - 6/10 - One of the more likable characters. He was upbeat and outgoing, with a bit of a mischievous side.
Trini - 5/10 - The 'spiritual one'. I remember having a crush on her when I first watched this, so I can't judged fairly.
Kimberly - 6.5/10 - Also upbeat and fun, but the ditzy annoying side was somewhat grating. Points for actually getting some character growth and a proper send-off from the show.
Billy - 7/10 - The only one with any real growth from the beginning of the series. Nerd power getting highly valued by the end of season 2 was a nice touch. His crappy send-off in Season 4 sucked, though.
Tommy - 7/10 - Hey, it's the main character! Seriously, he was the one with the most personality throughout the series. The only one that anything interesting ever happened to. He keeps coming back to the show, too, according to wikipedia. Also, hot.
Rocky - 2/10 - Why do you exist? Seriously, he just never did anything interesting or funny.
Adam - 5/10 - Pulled off the shy thing pretty well, especially as Billy was coming into his own. Had some funny lines.
Aisha - 2/10 - Felt like an attempt to copy Kimberly that never went anywhere.
Katherine - 5/10 - Torn here. She had a very good introduction arc for Power Rangers, but shortly after she came into the show, she just became a Kimberly clone so that the writers wouldn't have to come up with new scenarios for her character... >.>;;
Zordon - 1/10 - Floating plot device.
Alpha-5 - 2/10 - Annoying, but at least it had a personality.
Bulk - 7.5 - Yep.
Skull - 7.5 - Yep.
Ernie - 1/10 - He wasn't really a character.
Rita - 6/10 - Amusing at times.
Goldar - 5/10 - Honorable villain thing was kinda neat in some of the serious episodes. Pretty much the only recurring villain who felt like any kind of threat.
Squat - 1/10 - No.
Baboo - 1/10 - No.
Finster - 3/10 - Kinda had a personality.
Scorpina - 1/10 - Kinda didn't.
Lord Zedd - 7/10 - Quite threatening at first. Rather hilarious later on as the series emasculated him at every turn.
Rito - 3/10 - Annoying, but funny and one of the better emasculators.
Master Vile - 4/10 - Kinda felt like a threat again after the emasculation of Zedd.
I blame Linkara for making me remember this much of Power Rangers.
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LOL'd LOL'ed
Someone go to Virginia and punch this man in the dick.
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BONUS!!! Mighty Morphing Power Rangers (first 3 seasons only)
Jason 10/10 HELL YEAH JASON!
Zack Black5/10
Trini 5/10
Kimberly 8/10 RAWR
Billy 2/10 NERD EWWWWW
Tommy 0/10 SOD OFF TOMMY!
Rocky 4/10 Way to replace Jason you jerk! Oh wait, you replaced Tommy. Probably.
Adam 10/10 JOHNNY YONG BOSCH POWER GOOOOOOOOO
Aisha 1/10 Also Who?
Katherine 2/10 FOR BEWBS!
Zordon 10/10 WANTS TEENAGERS WITH ATTITUDE!
Alpha-5 2/10 PROBABLY GAY!
Bulk 10/10 EVENTUALLY WENT INTO SPACE!
Skull 2/10 Didn't go into space.
Ernie 1/10 The bar guy right? Who cares.
Rita 8/10 Girl had style!
Goldar 6/10 Better when he was actually tough. Comic relief really blew him off.
Squat 0/10 FATTIE! Probably.
Baboo 01/0 Isn't a baby in a robot baby suit.
Finster 5/10 Well, he looked neat.
Scorpina ???????
Lord Zedd 10/10 Now here's a villain with presence! For all of a few episodes. But hey, that's better than most.
Rito ??????
Master Vile ??????
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Have I mentioned lately OK is the best?
Wild ARMs 4
Jude: 7.5/10. Very believable kid character. His approach to the world was upbeat and often naive, but very refreshing and he genuinely felt his age, something most RPG kids fail to do. Also wtf guys, Jude likes lots of adults.
Yulie: 5/10. Sorta the weak link. STOP APOLOGISING DAMNIT. But hey, people do that.
Arnaud: 8/10. Love him. He's a bit of a rascal, and the game isn't afraid to cut him down for it, but he's also shown to be very caring and definitely grows up as the game goes along. The Raquel relationship gets "awww" points, too.
Raquel: 8/10. Could stand to be more -interesting-, but she's a very solid female role model type character, which I like. And despite my comments, she avoids falling into the soulless badass trope, see Arnaud.
Kresnik: 1/10. Grah. Hate Kresnik. It's not just that he's pointlessly emo (yes, your life sucks, but others have it worse) and too stupid to get how much his sister cares about him, I can accept that as his character flaws. it's that the game seems to go out of its way to glorify him like he's some sort of amazing human being.
Ethelda (Jude's Mother): 6/10. Works well enough. Especially the death scene.
Tony: 7/10. Is hilarious. Even if I didn't get a kick out of the constant demotions gimmick, I just really like his commentary on the world. Making the recurring joke boss this -dark- ("I need war!") is pretty unusual. Also WHY CAN'T I BEAT A BUNCH OF KIDS?!?
Jeremy: 5/10. Wanker, but serves his purpose in the plot well - to make the rest of Brionac more sympathetic by REALISING he's a wanker.
Scythe: 6/10. WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO-?
Belial: 5/10. Lacks Scythe's awesome exit, but still part of a very well-done part of the plot.
Hugo: 5/10. Yeah, he's memorable and pretty cool. Seemed to have it together way more than most of the Brionac flunkies.
Fiore: 2/10.
Asia: 2/10. There's some really stupid writing surrounding these two.
Balgaine: 3/10. Kinda treads Tony's territory but is both less amusing and less convincing at it.
Enil: 5/10.
Augst: 7/10. Had very reasonable reasons for betraying Ethelda and co., and then was quite amusing and an excellent voice of reason for Brionac. Also I loved that he planned to throw all of Brionac at the kids at once. Genre-savvy.
Gawn: 7/10. Punches missiles.
Farmel: 5/10. Lambda relationship was cool, at least. Less one-sided than most male main villain/female subordinate relationships in RPGs. Still kinda one-sided, and it's all she really has besides some style.
Lambda: 7/10. I liked him. He really, really -believed- in what he was doing, and when that gets torn out from under him he does go a little crazy. His plan is kinda bonkers, but you can see where he's coming from at least.
Hauser: 1/10. Fuck. Like Lambda's motivations, but instead of justified good-naturedness gone a bit overboard, he just makes no fucking sense (EXTINCTION = NO WAR). While I want to give him Xorn points for KINDNESS CHANGES NOTHING and TRUE PEACE IS BUILT ON THE CORPSES OF MEN, he just builds up too much negative value for his highly mysogynistic scene with Ethelda.
The Congressional Knights: 6/10. Haha, they fail so much, it's great.
BONUS!!! Mighty Morphing Power Rangers (first 3 seasons only)
Jason: 4/10. He's kinda there. Minus a point because the episode where ALL THE OTHER RANGERS GET THEIR POWERS STOLEN JASON TO THE RESCUE!!! is probably my least favourite I can recall.
Zack: 6/10. Pretty cool.
Trini: 5/10. Heh, I'm pretty sure I had a minor crush on her too.
Kimberly: 3/10. I remember not liking her much. She just came off as kinda ditzy most of the time, when she even existed.
Billy: 8/10. Aw yeah Billy. Gets actual character growth, and I love how he doesn't start out as a premade superhero like the rest.
Tommy: 6/10. I dunno, he's cool enough, but I'm not sure I see the greater hype. Maybe if his evil ranger-ness was actually based on some character flaws, but IIRC it was just all mind control and he was really an awesome guy.
Rocky: 3/10. I don't remember you.
Adam: 7/10. Is Johnny Young Bocsh. And easily my favourite of the new trio. That might be just because he shared a name with my best friend at the time, I dunno!
Aisha: 3/10. Don't remember you either.
Katherine: Pretty sure I didn't really watch the episodes with you!
Zordon: 3/10. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE HIS MOUTH?
Alpha-5: 4/10. Ai yai yai yai yai! Well, at least he's funny.
Bulk: 7/10. Good comic relief. And yeah, ENDS UP IN SPACE. It's funny how he was the longest-lasting character on the show.
Skull: 7/10.
Ernie: I don't remember you! Even though I'm pretty sure I watched a bunch of episodes with you in them!
Rita: 6/10. What the fuck was up with that outfit? Oh well.
Goldar: 6/10. Is a monkey. I guess the honourable warrior shtick isn't bad, but he was fought way too many times.
Squat: 3/10. Blue.
Baboo: 2/10. More annoying than Squatt.
Finster: 5/10. He always seemed so much nicer than the other bad guys.
Scorpina: 10/10. Is me! She always seemed more menacing and effective than Goldar. Plus, the scorpion outfit was pretty snazzy, and she shares a voice actress with Raquel and Nel, therefore awesome!
Lord Zedd: 7/10. Had real presence when he joined, yeah.
Rito: I don't remember you!
Master Vile: Or you!
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Wild ARMs 4
Jude - 4/10
Yulie - 6/10
Arnaud - 9/10
Raquel - 9/10
Kresnik - 0/10
Ethelda (Jude's Mother) - 6/10
Tony - 8/10
Jeremy - 5/10
Scythe - 7/10
Belial - 7/10
Hugo - 7/10
Fiore - 2/10
Asia - 2/10
Balgaine - 5/10
Enil - 5/10
Augst - 8/10
Gawn - 6/10
Farmel - 1/10
Lambda - 6/10
Hauser - 1/10
The Congressional Knights - 4/40
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Wild ARMs 4
Jude: 10/10 stfu haters
Yulie: 10/10. I'M SORRYYYY! NOT A BURDEN! Is probably me in disguise.
Arnaud: 7/10. Gets points for having my favorite romantic line like ever.
Raquel: 7/10. Good.
Kresnik: 1/10. luuuulz
Ethelda (Jude's Mother): Um?
Tony: 9/10. Obvious
Jeremy: 1/10. no
Scythe: 5/10: VAMPIIIRE before it was cool
Belial: 5/10. creepy
Hugo: He... is a character?
Fiore: 2/10
Asia: 2/10. See Elfboy
Balgaine: 7/10. CHAINSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW ROCKET MAN
Enil: 3/10. um
Augst: 10/10. Augst.
Gawn: 1/10. ffff
Farmel: 1/10 ffff
Lambda: 5/10. Fine, I guess.
Hauser: 1/10. ffff
The Congressional Knights: 8/10. Hell yeah!!! Best characters ever, and have such compelling villain motivations!
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WA4 is strange. There are actually a lot of things about its presentation that I like - for starters, more games should have the inter-party chats constantly during the middle of dungeons a la Tales skits that WA4 has. This is actually amazingly huge for me liking the cast. That said... WA4 definitely functions better as a whole and in groups than alone. As in, a lot of characters kind of fail individually, but work well in their roles, so I can't complain too much.
Wild ARMs 4
Jude - 5/10 - The weakest link of the cast. Much as I'd like to hate on him, I can't deny that, given that we are having a 13-year-old with superpowers in the cast (probably a bad idea), they did in fact write him like a 13-year-old. Which fits. His extreme innocence is a fair enough perspective to include for dialogue, and it also sets up the plot's theme quite well, even if that theme is totally wrong (young people are awesome, old people ruined the world - in order of age, Jude / Yulie are innocent, Arnaud / Raquel know the horrible truth but are still basically good hearted, Brionac blew up the world, and the Congressional Knights are just super evil.)
Yulie - 6/10. Yulie is basically a giant plot device. I actually do respect the choice to make the first half of the game be just running away and trying to get Yulie to safety / obscurity, with everyone else's plot secondary - the cast doesn't start out as world-savers and more games should do that. Anyway, the CONCEPT of Yulie is actually pretty dumb, but her dialogue once again saves a character who I would by default dislike. Her plot doesn't exactly add up from the timeframe given in the game, but oh well.
Arnaud - 7/10. His quotes are a bit repetitive, but I liked Arnaud, especially the way he tried to act more grown-up than he was. The cowardice note was also well-handled, I thought. Otherwise, enjoyable dialogue, and he worked.
Raquel - 9/10. And this isn't really particularly from swordgirl fandom or anything, to be clear. Raquel nails what very few games even bother to try: someone who's honest, not cynical, knows what she wants, and goes about getting it. The anti-Yuri, if you will (much as I love Yuri, too). Raquel wants to experience beauty and enjoy the world in the time she has left, so she's not going to sulk around - her refreshing directness about "Hey, I like you guys, let's join up" actually made sense. It wasn't the usual "Blargh I want vengeance against villain X" motive that so many choose, even though Raquel could actually have taken that as her motive! But it wasn't. She didn't really seem to care at all about Hauser. And she doesn't join up for no reason at all than sheer do-gooderism, either. The way Raquel's disease is treated was also quite tasteful, and her stoic acceptance but determination to do something while she could - like protect her friend Yulie - stood out. Yeah, for someone who has, ultimately, fairly little plot, the game nailed Raquel.
Kresnik - 4/10. Uh. I liked what they were TRYING to do with Kresnik. I think. I absolutely love the plotline in the sense of "I'm a slightly above normal dude, but I'm going to hang with super-powered types through sheer determination (and drugs)." Fit with Raquel & Arnaud being more interesting than the super-powered Yulie/Jude, too. Shame they couldn't make up their mind about what the heck Kresnik was supposed to be up to. His relationship toward Yulie goes back and forth too much - after he joins up to rescue her, that should have been the end of that arc. His ending is also super-lame, and more generally it's not really clear what his stake is in the Prison sequence, as that seemed to focus more on his !rivalry with Jude. There are a lot of ways that Kresnik could have been cool, but it never quite gelled.
Ethelda (Jude's Mother) - DNR. Vessel of the Plot, that's it. Though I will note with her that the timeline doesn't seem to line up exactly right - I think that the Global Union was supposed to have been defeated 10 years ago or so, but it seemed like Yulie was old enough to be at the White Orphanage a lot less time than that, and moreover it's weird that the Knights took so long to bother trying to track down a fairly interesting GU experiment that they seem to have known all about. Did Kresnik only inform them recently or something? And wasn't *Augst* behind the satellite nanomachines thing? Did the Knights run the facility after the GU, but then close it down, but then change their mind and run after the released experiments after all? What huh?
Brionac in general - One thing I found odd about Brionac's motives. The game sets up a perfect excuse for them to dislike Yulie and Jude - basically, that Yulie and Jude are after-effects of the old war and inherently a danger to society, since with their powers they could restart the settled fight, and they need to be wiped out for the old war to truly go away. Instead, we end up with weird comments like Jeremy's "the war never ended!" that seem to imply Brionac just doesn't know how to stop fighting, which kind of goes against the attempts to make 'em sympathetic.
Tony - 5/10. He worked. While I dislike the "kids rule, adults drool" plotline, Tony sure helped drill it in.
Jeremy - 6/10. Worked as a foil for Kresnik.
Scythe - 6/10. Worked as a plot device to set up Belial.
Belial - 7/10. It was a short arc, but I really liked the idea here. Not nearly enough games show that the people Our Heroes kill have wives, girlfriends, children, etc. (The Deception series is a strong exception!) This was a chance for reasonably justified vengeance against the heroes.
Hugo - DNR. Name to stick on a superpower + fight.
Fiore - DNR. Name on a boss.
Asia - DNR.
Balgaine - DNR. Name on a boss.
Enil - 4/10. What exactly was the plan here? I'd have liked her to try something more subtle than doing one trick and blatantly suspiciously at the end of a dungeon.
Augst - 6/10. Amusing enough. "We need data on nanomachines" was kind of random but oh well.
Gawn - 4/10. They had a chance to do something interesting with Gawn - it'd have been brave and chancy, but to drive in the idea that "war criminals are always on the side that lost." Since Hauser basically isn't in the game, if they wanted to give that message, Gawn was the man. As is, uh. Also, how could Gawn possibly be a secret? Wasn't he fighting in the war? I also don't buy why he decides to side with Jude. I mean, "because Lambda's plan is batshit insane" would work, but he acts more like he's convinced by Jude's unerring determination or something.
Farmel DNR / 3/10. Mostly a DNR, but meh if she is ranked. Didn't really exist in the villain-cam, but felt like she should have.
Lambda - 4/10. Lambda's high point: killing the Knights after, very very belatedly, figuring out that they're totally not actual democrats. This shows that Lambda actually cares about ideology and principles, which is a good thing. Lambda's low point: immediately afterward. Just to reiterate: The Knights, the BAD GUYS, say something along the lines of "do you really think humanity can evolve to be nice?" Lambda comes to the conclusion that only by starting an unimaginable catastrophe will humanity evolve. And we are supposed to take this as some kind of sympathetic plot by a mastermind. Um. OBJECTION.
Hauser - 4/10. Why does Hauser help his enemies, again? He seemed at least semi-sane before. Because True Peace is Built on a Pile of Corpses, but let me help Jude with his dog? ...sigh. Plot before the end was okay at least.
The Congressional Knights - 6/10. I liked the in-game explanation for a series of boss fights - "Brionac is getting too big for its britches. Let's order them to fight one at a time to thin 'em out." Anyway, as for the "parliamentary democracy" faction actually being the bad guys vs. the fascist Global Union, and by democracy we mean "a secret cabal of 6 people who really rule everything," um, JAPAAAAAAAAAAN. No, really, we know your democracy was weird in the 50s, but even YOUR democracy isn't that bad anymore.
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Brionac in general - One thing I found odd about Brionac's motives. The game sets up a perfect excuse for them to dislike Yulie and Jude - basically, that Yulie and Jude are after-effects of the old war and inherently a danger to society, since with their powers they could restart the settled fight, and they need to be wiped out for the old war to truly go away. Instead, we end up with weird comments like Jeremy's "the war never ended!" that seem to imply Brionac just doesn't know how to stop fighting, which kind of goes against the attempts to make 'em sympathetic.
I think you are taking wayyyy to much stock in Jeremy being anything more than a tool that Brionac try to use, he is incredibly pliable and useful when put in situations he can be used. Otherwise, the dude is a fucking liability and the rest of Brionac treat him as such.
As for why Gawn sides with Jude? I think you need to watch some Gurren Lagan, that should explain it. Just remember to not take it seriously and do a plot disection at the end.
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Jude- 7/10. Fei scenario. I didn't like him, and then later on I liked all the mind-fuckery that went along with him. So his mom explodes, he is devastated, gets over it, and then at the end he realizes he just killed his father. So when you consider that he is, after the game, presumably the most dangerous man alive (as the last living Class A Gene Driver), it's most likely that he's living in the woods as a hermit just because he doesn't want to kill anyone else.
Yulie- 4/10. You tire me. But you're not absolutely terrible and the game does occasionally call her on her bullshit. Still needed to shut up more.
Arnaud- 9/10. I really like Arnaud. He shows appreciable, consistent character development and has probably the best cast interaction. He works both on his own and as a foil.
Raquel- 8/10. Mostly for her relationship with Arnaud, which I thought was exceptionally well-done, and her ending, which worked for me.
Kresnik- 3/10. A whiner, but I guess I see where he's coming from. More importantly, why the hell didn't he give Jude any of his useful abilities other than Apoptosis? Fuck you, man.
Ethelda (Jude's Mother)- 5/10. Strictly for her death scene. No emotional farewell, no slow-mo death scene, just "one moment I am here, the next moment I have exploded." That's how it would happen, but games never have the quad to actually do it like that.
Gonna skip some folk.
Augst- 5/10. I felt the reveal at the end where he saved everyone with his contingency plan was a little unnecessary as a last-minute character salvage, but a lot of his early actions were pretty decent.
Gawn- 6/10. Gawn rocks pretty hard, but his sudden change of heart still perplexes me.
Farmel- 6/10. Much as I've seen it before, I still like the archetype. I also enjoyed how, with her setup, she seemed like a fairly non-menacing XO for Lambda but then later you find out she's a goddamn wrecking ball.
Lambda- 5/10. High points and low points, man. Of course, he was also kind of right; WA4's world's infrastructure, as far as we've seen, has taken too severe damage to recover, so it probably IS the beginning of a long, slow slide down.
Hauser- 7/10. This is a little long of an explanation.
I'm still not sure if Hauser is already dead at the start of the game, or if he dies some time during the course of the game, but I'm pretty sure that by the end of the game, he's dead. And rather than everyone else making an ARM out of nanomachines, the ARM itself is making a facsimile of Hauser's body from them. That's why, before the last boss fight, his whole body just appears with that shiny shit that Jude makes his ARMs out of, and then he disappears right before deciding to, I dunnow, give Jude his memories or something.
So basically, at the end of the game, Hauser is nothing but a copy of a dude made by his memories that live inside his super-gun. Until I figured this out I didn't really think he made sense, but when I puzzled together that and the whole "if you get really mad, your ARM goes in to Omnicidal mode" thing, it all suddenly made sense.
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Hauser- 7/10. This is a little long of an explanation.
I'm still not sure if Hauser is already dead at the start of the game, or if he dies some time during the course of the game, but I'm pretty sure that by the end of the game, he's dead. And rather than everyone else making an ARM out of nanomachines, the ARM itself is making a facsimile of Hauser's body from them. That's why, before the last boss fight, his whole body just appears with that shiny shit that Jude makes his ARMs out of, and then he disappears right before deciding to, I dunnow, give Jude his memories or something.
So basically, at the end of the game, Hauser is nothing but a copy of a dude made by his memories that live inside his super-gun. Until I figured this out I didn't really think he made sense, but when I puzzled together that and the whole "if you get really mad, your ARM goes in to Omnicidal mode" thing, it all suddenly made sense.
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Okay, I'm not gonna complain about voting based on fan-wank, because I recall that I basically did the same thing for Margie in the last vote...
But even after reading the explanation, I seriously don't see how that fits together... The game doesn't make any alusions to ARMS themselves being sentient that I recall? Apart from just being responsive to emotions, which was apparently how they were designed in the first place, so that shouldn't lead to the conclusion that they are sentient?
Perhaps I'm just not remembering Hauser plot well, do you have any examples that you particularly remember here?
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The ARM itself isn't sentient; that's not the read I got. He's a ghost in the system.
Like I said, the dude constructs his whole body in full in the exact same fashion (complete with the same fairy dust visual effect and same sound effect) that Jude makes a gun or whatever out of right in front of you. I don't know how else we are supposed to read that except "Hauser's body exists solely as an ARM at this point."
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Wild ARMs 4
Jude: 7/10. I don't particularly like Jude, but he doesn't annoy me either. He's decent enough and quite believable for a sheltered kid.
Yulie: 4/10. Characterless plot device for the first half. Second half is better, but she doesn't stand out enough.
Arnaud: 10/10. My favourite character by a long shot. He's funny, he grows, his own subplots work and he has great chemistry with Jude/Raq, and he has some of the best scenes in the game.
Raquel: 8/10. The relationship with Arnaud is great. Raq herself isn't too interesting, but her subplot is wrapped up pretty well and she doesn't end up being written as superhuman, which is good.
Kresnik: 2/10. DIVE OFF CLIFF, SHOW SIS YOU CARE. Otherwise more or less has a stick up his ass.
Ethelda: 6/10. +1 points for the Garra De Leon scene.
And now, more pro comments on villains:
Tony: WHY CAN'T I BEAT A BUNCH OF KIDS/10
Jeremy: Tool/10
Scythe: Plane'd/10
Belial: DROPS TANKS/10
Hugo: AMATEURS/10
Fiore: Exploding Loli/10
Asia: Explodes first/10
Balgaine: Chainsaw Rocketman/10
Enil: Loses to JOGURT/10
Augst: Bestest Comedian/10
Gawn: RICHARD/10
Farmel: Might as well not exist/10
Lambda: JUST AS PLANNED/10
Hauser: PUPPY RAGE/10
The Congressional Knights: "Use-Yulie's-brain-to-control the-world-mwahaha-what-do-you-mean-we-are-hypocrites-Lambda-you-are-silly"/10
BONUS!!! Mighty Morphing Power Rangers (first 3 seasons only) - do this later if I remember
Jason
Zack
Trini
Kimberly
Billy
Tommy
Zordon
Alpha-5
Bulk
Skull
Ernie
Rita
Goldar
Squat
Baboo
Finster
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Update coming on WEDNESDAY.
Snoochies boochies
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Wild ARMs 4
Jude: 7/10
Yulie: 2/10
Arnaud: 9/10
Raquel: 9/10
Kresnik: 2/10 - Should have been curb stombed by Tony ever so much.
Ethelda (Jude's Mother) - 5/10 Her main point is dying. Still though its nice theres no bullshit and she just dies.
Tony: 8/10 - Best Tony ever.
Jeremy 5/10
Scythe: 3/10 - Didn't really care.
Belial: 6/10 - Was she blind? Also has power tattoos.
Hugo: 4/10 - Cool cutscene.
Fiore 3/10
Asia: 3/10 Heath needed to be alive damnit. He could have aided Brionec by stealing the female characters panties for his sniffing pleasure or something. Then again judging by the dolls Raquel might be a bit too old but yulie should be up his street.....then again....she could be too old. He likes those delicious lolis after all.
Balgaine 4/10 ANTI TANK CHAINSAW HAW HAW HAW!
Enil: 4/10 She seemed to be quite strong in the cutscene and then that all goes poof and she is suddenly a complete weaking, oh well who cares. Nice hat.
Augst: 9/10 - I like him and his saving of the children was nice. Had to sadly face him in black and white as the pal Version is retarded and Augst seems to have the effect of making the game stop working.
Gawn 10/10 - You guys be hating. Gawn Motherfucking punchs those missles, fuck yeah.
Farmel: 8/10 - Actually well handled I thought. As I pretty much always hate this type of character thats worth points.
Lambda: 3/10 - Chill dude, Chill. Extinction of the human race shouldn't be your next action plan after seeing how corrupt your boss is. He reminds me of the Wa1 villains oh so much. He has the world in his hands and he is a smart man with the worlds greatest minds and tech so why not use that to create a better world instead of getting a WOMD to destroy all humans?
Hauser: 5/10 - Horrible voice. I remember hearing it first in DW5 and then going WTF when I heard it here. Oddly his voice actually goes well here which I guess must mean I didn't hate his voice in DW but more his dialogue and exacution. Regardless the guy from 4 was much better and fitted the character a lot more so why they changed it was anyones guess. Oh yeah I'm meant to rate Hauser not his voice.... errrrr.... Good dude from the war who goes insane and thus thinks the best option is to commit Complete...Global...Saturation or something. I didn't really care too much.
The Congressional Knights: 4/10 - Aren't all their voice acters from DW? Pretty sure I heard quite a lot of familer voices. Only thing that stood out to me about them as they are dull and pointless as can be.
BONUS!!! Mighty Morphing Power Rangers (first 3 seasons only)
Jason, tommy and Kim are the only names I can put to faces so I won't bother.
Zordon: 1/10 - Giant Floaty head that I really know nothing about. Thinking about it I could just google it but honestly I just don't care.
Alpha: 1/10 - Irritating.
Bulk: 5/10
Skull: 5/10
Ernie: 1/10
Rita:10/10 - Whoever thought of getting her and Lord Z together was a genius.
Goldar: 7/10 - Got annoying how many times he shows up. Scorpina was I thought brought in to make it so he'd be fought less but after a while I noticed nothing had actually changed. Formula is to talk smack and put up a good fight with Scorpina/Motw/when a ranger is missing or cowardlly run away after a good hit on him
Squat:1/10
Baboo: 1/10
Finster: 2/10
Scorpina: 6/10 First in the line of female minions in power rangers. Unlike the ones that came after she has the good sense not to speak much and not to try to overthrow her boss/seduce the heroes. Besides that had a gold armor thing going on with Goldar and it was nice that she transformed into an ugly Scorpion thing too.
Lord Zedd: 10/10 - Is Lord Zedd thus totally awesome.
Rito ? Skeleton guy?
Master Vile ?
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Wild ARMs 4
Jude: 6/10 Works out okay.
Yulie: 3/10 Blech.
Arnaud: 10/10 Arnaud rules. He'd probably get an 8/10 or so even if he didn't a) grow up or b) have a likeable romantic subplot. He does both.
Raquel: 8/10 Well done, like Arnaud. She's just not as funny.
Kresnik: 4/10 I guess he was supposed to be cool, but it didn't really take.
Ethelda (Jude's Mother): 4/10 Didn't dislike her.
Tony: 5/10 I don't think I realized he was the obligatory Tony until his last fight.
Jeremy: 6/10 It's nice that he comes back.
Scythe: 5/10 Just some guy. Who gets hit by planes!
Belial: 5/10 Just some girl. Who creates pocket dimensions!
Hugo: 4/10 Just some guy with time powers or whatever.
Fiore: 1/10 Blech.
Asia: 1/10 Blech.
Balgaine: 5/10 Just some guy. With an anti-tank chainsaw!
Enil: 4/10 Just some girl with illusion powers.
Augst: 6/10 Just some guy. With bad jokes!
Gawn: 10/10 The comic relief is also a mentor figure, competent, capable of making the right decisions, and in the game's best scenes? Awesome.
Farmel: 3/10 Well, she switches off the missile defense system. I guess that's something.
Lambda: 4/10 He would have been higher if the game ended before he went nuts.
Hauser: 7/10 I always figured WA4 Hauser was Hauser's ARM with whatever was left of Hauser's memories and motivations, rather than an actual human being. (See: Rob the Stampede's earlier post.) That's why Lambda got a stiff penalty and Hauser didn't.
The Congressional Knights: 4/10 Just some suits of armor.
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Due to a very busy and long week and a very annoying Pittsburgh native, I'm withholding this update until Sunday - that should be a good day to do the updates as a standard from now on.
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Wild ARMs 4 (10 votes)
Jude - 5.9
Yulie - 4.6
Arnaud - 8.35
Raquel - 7.7
Kresnik - 2.1
Ethelda (Jude's Mother) - 5.3
Tony - 5.9
Jeremy - 4.5
Scythe - 5.1
Belial - 5.6
Hugo - 4.9
Fiore - 1.9
Asia - 1.9
Balgaine - 4.3
Enil - 4.7
Augst - 7
Gawn - 5.1
Farmel - 3.9
Lambda - 4.8
Hauser - 3.1
The Congressional Knights - 5
Legend of Legaia (1 vote!!!)
Vahn - 3
Noa - 7
Gala - 5
Songi - 6
Cort - 5
BONUS!!! Mighty Morphing Power Rangers (first 3 seasons only) (5 votes)
Jason - 5.5
Zack - 5.5
Trini - 5
Kimberly - 5.4
Billy - 5.3
Tommy - 4.8
Rocky - 3
Adam - 7.3
Aisha - 2
Katherine - Not popular enough!
Zordon - 4
Alpha-5 - 2.2
Bulk - 7.3
Skull - 5.3
Ernie - 1.3
Rita - 7
Goldar - 5.4
Squat - 1.6
Baboo - 1.6
Finster - 3.6
Scorpina - 5
Lord Zedd - 7.6
[/b]Rito
Master Vile[/b] - Fail ;_;
Good
1) Gig: 9.5
2) Citan: 9.25
3) Lily: 8.85
4) Yuri (SH1): 8.79
5) Nanako: 8.56
6) Kanji: 8.40
7) Dojima: 8.36
8) Arnaud: 8.35
9) Yosuke: 8.20
10) Ramsus: 8.19
Bad
1) Goto: 1.00
2) Zemus/Zeromus: 1.11
3) Raven: 1.5
4) Alonso: 1.78
5) Kain(FF4): 1.89
6) Fiore: 1.9
7) Asia: 1.9
8) Alfina: 1.94
9) Gogo: 2.00
10) Exdeath: 2.07
Alright, more fun times ahead! Get ready for...something! I'm cutting down on a lot of characters from this point on to make counting easier (...well, cutting down on the characters that aren't as focal!), so feel free to add them!
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
Maya
Ulala
Katsuya
Baofu
Tatsuya
Nate
Ellen
Guido
Ishigami Chizuru
Tatsuzou (Tatsuya Suzuo)
Tatsudou (Tatsuya Sudou)
Nyarlathotep
Legaia 2
Lang
Maya
Kazan
Sharon
Ayne
Bubba
Elliot
Marienne
Doplin
Velna
Rauss
Avalon
Bonus Round!!! Les Miserables
Jean Valjean
Javert
Fantine
Cosette
Marius
Eponine
Enjorlas
Gavroche
Master Thenardier
...and his Wife
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A Legaia game where I remember the characters!
Legaia 2
Lang: 4.
Maya: 6. I overall liked with they did with her.
Kazan: 6. Ditto.
Sharon: 8.5. She was awesome. Right up my general alley character wise.
Ayne: 3.
Bubba: 2. At the end of the day, the amusing part of his character is his lost in the bestiality.
Elliot: 6. Mocking him was put to good use in game.
Marienne: 6. See above.
Doplin: 5. Eh..worked I suppose. Didn't work that well as an attempted manipulator
Velna: 5. Dunno. Felt...threatening enough, liked her final scene.
Rauss: 3. Well...I remember his plot and his battle form! Just...can't remember much of a character beyond involved with Kazan.
Avalon: 4. Uh...I like how he looked like a wolf? He has presence and obvious motivation, but unlike Cort (who if I ranked LoL, I would have given a decent score), he doesn't really feel very developed.
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Legaia 2
Lang: 5/10. Is a likable enough main I guess. Gets a lot of interaction.
Maya: 8/10. Piece of cake~ ^_^ What can I say? I'm a fanboy.
Kazan: 5/10. UOM.
Sharon: 7/10. I like her. She's a bit of a bitch.
Ayne: 4/10. Doesn't have enough screen time.
Bubba: 5/10. Furry, but funny.
Elliot: 3/10. I cringed.
Marienne: 1/10. I CRINGED.
Doplin: 2/10. EVULZ.
Velna: 4/10. At least she is hot.
Rauss: 2/10. Boring evil rival.
Avalon: 2/10. Boring generic villain.
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And with this vote, Legaia 2 has triple the caring of its predecessor! Accomplishment!
Legaia 2
Lang: 7/10. Lang is what silent mains should be replaced with in JRPGs. Having his personality defined by your choices works, and the one I stumbled onto without knowing the mechanics was personable and decently written. Yay.
Maya: 5/10. Too much time mute, wasn't fully satisfied by the explanation for it. Traumatic muteness happens but she isn't even remotely traumatised by the time you meet her. Still, she's likable enough.
Kazan: 4/10. Decent, I don't have too much to say about him. Negative point for silly cliched backstory with Rauss.
Sharon: 6/10. Reminds me of Faris, but they did a little more with her. For some reason I'm amused by the fact that she's super-tall since JRPGs seem to hate making very tall (human) women except like her and Ronnie Bell.
Ayne: 3/10. Is Kongol.
Bubba: 5/10. Bestality. Comes out of nowhere. Kinda funny. Also he becomes a BISHOP what the fuck. I approve of Legaia 2 for doing this with some of its villains, very MK2ish.
Elliot: 5/10. Incest. What the fuck. Game isn't half bad at making you feel sorry for him at the end, to boot.
Marienne: 5/10. As above, but with intentionally unsexy pantyshots thrown in for bonus awkward.
Doplin: 6/10. Found him effective as a total scumbag, biggest douche in the cast by quite a ways.
Velna: 5.5/10. I was going to give her an average score, but I figure she deserves a bonus half point for being a main female henchman with an honest-to-god, believable personal motivation for getting involved instead of "I love the main villain and believe in him and his vision forever <3" which plagues her type.
Rauss: 2/10. Only real sore spot of the supporting villain cast, his backstory with Kazan just didn't work.
Avalon: 3/10. I forget his motivation, which is weird since I totally remember both Velna's and Doplin's very well! Unlike theirs, though, I remember finding his unconvincing. Oh well. EDIT: Wait, I remember his motivation now, it just wasn't very good. Not bad enough to attract attention, but it kinda fell flat.
Like the game itself, tends to be respectable all-around with few standouts in either direction.
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NEB: Maya was mute in part because she was frightened of her own voice. Her magic works by her voice, and she slaughtered her family unintentionally, hence muteness.
And cuteness.
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Like I said, I wasn't really satisfied by that explanation. She should either be more visibly affected by their deaths still, or not mute. She also sorta went from "refuses to say a word" to "clearly enjoys talking" too suddenly. Maybe the whole thing can be justified psychologically and I'm not giving the writers enough credit, but it kinda rang hollow for me.
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Persona 2: Eternal Punishment - This game needs more love, I suspect that it lacks most of it due to the majority of the English fanbase not getting Part one of this game.
Maya - 9 or 5.5 - Two scores. The first is based on both parts of Persona 2, the latter is if I'm only supposed to be judging on EP on its own merits. I personally have a hard time extricating the two since I played them back-to-back and in chronological order. I came into EP knowing exactly who Maya Amano was and her lack of speaking didn't hurt the story much at all. However, it -did- detract significantly from Maya's own development. While she was much more of the main character in Innocent Sin than Tatsuya was, she still manages as a mute to hold more presence than him in EP, so that says something for the creators doing the Silent Protagonist pretty well. She's also the only female Silent Protagonist I can think of (besides pick-your-gender silent-types). This makes her a pretty unique take on the trope overall, but I still hate the trope with a fiery passion. The actual events that unfold around (and because of her and Tatsuya's relationship) are quite fascinating, and the ending was the best sucker punch I could have hoped for. I openly wept.
Ulala - 7 - Great character, but a little one-note sometimes. When she was good, she was really good, but her flaws were pretty glaring too, and not in a likable or sympathic way, really.
Katsuya - 7 - Conversely, a very solid character with few flaws, but somewhat boring to me as a result.
Baofu - 8.5 - Dude is funny and reminds me why I sometimes find myself agreeing with people that RPG characters would be cooler if they focused on adults more often instead of cookie-cutter teenaged heroes. (I generally tend to think that proponents of this view are just old and can't enjoy a story that isn't about themselves, or are at least biased in that direction.)
Tatsuya - 6 - Despite my disdain for silent protagonists and (possibly worse) emo protagonists, Tatsuya manages to get my sympathy in both IS and EP. His choices have had a big impact on the world and he's basically living in his own personal hell for the sake of the world, and despite the complaining, I managed to respect his reasons and truly felt for him by the end of the story. The actual ending itself really highlighted the age difference between him and Maya and it was beautifully done.
Nate - 5 - Not bad, but he never really pulled me into his side story, even after I'd played P1 and IS.
Ellen - 7 - Conversely, Elly was hilarious every moment she was on-screen.
Guido - 6.5 - Did a good job of being threatening at first, but kind of faded out too soon for me.
Ishigami Chizuru - 4 - Weak point of the villain cast.
Tatsuzou (Tatsuya Suzuo) - 6
Tatsudou (Tatsuya Sudou) - 6
Nyarlathotep - 7 - Really good use of the "Darkness in all men's hearts" kind of villain. His duality with Philemon could have been explored more between the two games, but he's still generally great and a hateable bastard.
Legaia 2:
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Les Mis:
:'(
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Persona 2: Eternal Punishment- This is a game where I find it hard to separate what I've read about it and supplemental materials from what I remember of actually playing the damned game. So realistically these scores are probably inflated.
Maya- 7/10. I dunno, makes me smile.
Ulala- 7/10.
Katsuya- 6/10. Bit of a stiff, but used well.
Baofu- 6/10. Baofu didn't really speak to me, although that could be because I don't think his snark came through very well.
Tatsuya- 5/10. He really is just too much of a whiny punk. That I can see what he's feeling offset this, but not entirely.
Nate- 6/10.
Ellen- Abstain.
Guido- 6/10
Ishigami Chizuru- Abstain.
Tatsuzou (Tatsuya Suzuo)- 3/10. This is the father, right?
Tatsudou (Tatsuya Sudou)- 6/10. I like his whole plot arc, honestly.
Nyarlathotep- 8/10. Just threatening and stylish, while still conceptually awesome.
Legaia 2
Lang- 6/10.
Maya- 5/10.
Kazan- 6/10.
Sharon- 7/10.
Ayne- 4/10.
Bubba- 5/10.
Elliot- 5/10. Douche, but fucked if I don't remember him.
Marienne- 5/10. As above.
Doplin- 6/10.
Velna- Abstain. Didn't really get to see her big scenes.
Rauss- Abstain. I really have trouble remembering who he is.
Avalon- 4/10.
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Baofu - 8.5 - Dude is funny and reminds me why I sometimes find myself agreeing with people that RPG characters would be cooler if they focused on adults more often instead of cookie-cutter teenaged heroes. (I generally tend to think that proponents of this view are just old and can't enjoy a story that isn't about themselves, or are at least biased in that direction.)
How many good characters can you name that are both teenaged and act like anything that remotely feels teenaged?
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Baofu - 8.5 - Dude is funny and reminds me why I sometimes find myself agreeing with people that RPG characters would be cooler if they focused on adults more often instead of cookie-cutter teenaged heroes. (I generally tend to think that proponents of this view are just old and can't enjoy a story that isn't about themselves, or are at least biased in that direction.)
How many good characters can you name that are both teenaged and act like anything that remotely feels teenaged?
*rolls eyes* ...Persona games aside, how many video games are set in a time period similar enough to our own that the definition of 'acting teenaged' has any real relevance here?
The best part of this example is that the Persona games do a great job of creating characters who are worthwhile and act 'teenaged'.
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The games might not be similar, but characters are generally constructed so that they could easily personality-wise fit into our modern world. Not really too many other valid sources that game designers would have for personality, unless you want to argue that they generally do fit with what would been common personality types several other years ago.
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Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
Maya - 6/10 - Whoopass completed!
Ulala - 2/10
Katsuya - 3/10
Baofu - 5/10
Tatsuya - 0/10
Nate - 6/10
Ellen - 10/10
Guido
Ishigami Chizuru
Tatsuzou (Tatsuya Suzuo)
Tatsudou (Tatsuya Sudou)
Nyarlathotep
Legaia 2
Lang - 4/10
Maya - 7/10
Kazan - 5/10
Sharon - 6/10
Ayne - 3/10
Bubba
Elliot
Marienne
Doplin
Velna
Rauss
Avalon
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Legaia 2
Lang - 4/10. Uninteresting character. His characterisation adds enough to prevent him from being boring, but no more than that.
Maya - 8/10. Adorable personified. She has the best characterization of the whole game. There's no character development though beyond "hey I got my voice back and will from now on behave as if I've always been able to speak!" and despite the game hyping her powers as being important, it doesn't feel that way.
Kazan - 6,5/10. I like that they made a teacher type who's experienced rather than wise. That turned out to be much more fun than expected, but like Maya he doesn't have anything apart from characterisation. If anything, his backstory with Rauss is a discredit.
Sharon - 6,5/10. Well, she is rather funny. Like the rest of the cast, she got nothing apart from characterisation. Her dream of becoming a pirate is not as bad as Kazan's backstory, but still rather silly.
Ayne - 4/10. Was there any point to him? Well, he does have a few amusing scenes, but for the most part he may as well not have been there.
Bubba - 5/10. Rather amusing, especially him being a bishop.
Elliot - 2/10. First the game tried to make me hate him. Then at the last second the game tried to make me feel sorry for him. The result was that I neither felt sorry for him, but didn't either feel any satisfaction for beating him either.
Marienne - 2/10. See Elliot.
Doplin - 3/10. Mostly an idiot. He was portrayed as a total scumbag, but I couldn't care less about him using Elliot and Marienne.
Velna - 5/10. Props for simple agreeing with the villains goal, but for her own reasons. Yet somehow she came of as non important despite being second in command and having an unique power.
Rauss - 3/10. Really silly backstory and no real character to speak of besides wanting to test his mettle against a worthy opponent. His insanity effect was cool though.
Avalon - 1/10. Stupid backstory and inefficient as a villain. He came of as a credible threat at first, but then he decided to just allow the heroes to run free. Either you try to get rid of them or you try to use them, but don't just sit there and do nothing. Instead of him being an active threat, he was just given a stupidly amount of power that required complete nonsense to counteract.
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I forgot to mention, but due to being caught up with a few things this week, this will not be updated until October 3th or so.
SO VOTE IN THE MEANTIME!!!
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October 3th meant the 30th, right?
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
Maya: Gonna give her a 9.5, because I think it's unfair to give her a score based only on EP!
Ulala: 5, could have been a lot more interesting as a foil to Maya.
Katsuya: 6, nerdy cop
Baofu: 7, interesting dude with glasses and a complex
Tatsuya: 3, boring
Nate: 7, they needed to do more with him
Ellen: 8, loses a point or two for TV SUMARU FUCK THAT DUNGEON CHRIST
Guido
Ishigami Chizuru: 3? She didn't really do much.
Tatsuzou (Tatsuya Suzuo): 3? Also didn't really do much.
Tatsudou (Tatsuya Sudou): 4 VOICES VOICES (but also didn't really do much)
Nyarlathotep: 8, +1 for the answering machine
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Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
Maya: Gonna give her a 9.5, because I think it's unfair to give her a score based only on EP!
Ulala: 7, could have been a lot more interesting as a foil to Maya.
Katsuya: 6, nerdy cop
Baofu: 8, interesting dude with glasses and a complex
Tatsuya: 0.5, boring
Nate: 7, they needed to do more with him
Ellen: 8, loses a point or two for TV SUMARU FUCK THAT DUNGEON CHRIST
Guido
Ishigami Chizuru: 3? She didn't really do much.
Tatsuzou (Tatsuya Suzuo): 3? Also didn't really do much.
Tatsudou (Tatsuya Sudou): 4 VOICES VOICES (but also didn't really do much)
Nyarlathotep: 8, +1 for the answering machine
Legaia 2
Lang - 4/10. Uninteresting character. His characterisation adds enough to prevent him from being boring, but no more than that.
Maya - 8/10. Adorable personified. She has the best characterization of the whole game. There's no character development though beyond "hey I got my voice back and will from now on behave as if I've always been able to speak!" and despite the game hyping her powers as being important, it doesn't feel that way.
Kazan - 6.5/10. I like that they made a teacher type who's experienced rather than wise. That turned out to be much more fun than expected, but like Maya he doesn't have anything apart from characterisation. If anything, his backstory with Rauss is a discredit.
Sharon - 7/10. Well, she is rather funny. Like the rest of the cast, she got nothing apart from characterisation. Her dream of becoming a pirate is not as bad as Kazan's backstory, but still rather silly.
Ayne - 3/10. Was there any point to him? Well, he does have a few amusing scenes, but for the most part he may as well not have been there.
Bubba - 5/10. Rather amusing, especially him being a bishop.
Elliot - 2/10. First the game tried to make me hate him. Then at the last second the game tried to make me feel sorry for him. The result was that I neither felt sorry for him, but didn't either feel any satisfaction for beating him either.
Marienne - 2/10. See Elliot.
Doplin - 3/10. Mostly an idiot. He was portrayed as a total scumbag, but I couldn't care less about him using Elliot and Marienne.
Velna - 5/10. Props for simple agreeing with the villains goal, but for her own reasons. Yet somehow she came of as non important despite being second in command and having an unique power.
Rauss - 3/10. Really silly backstory and no real character to speak of besides wanting to test his mettle against a worthy opponent. His insanity effect was cool though.
Avalon - 1/10. Stupid backstory and inefficient as a villain. He came of as a credible threat at first, but then he decided to just allow the heroes to run free. Either you try to get rid of them or you try to use them, but don't just sit there and do nothing. Instead of him being an active threat, he was just given a stupidly amount of power that required complete nonsense to counteract.
buuuurp copying Neph/Crystalgate, tweaked a few numbers here and there but.
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Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
Maya: 3/10. Silent main. (Also, seriously, 'unfair' to vote on the only English-released game? >_>)
Ulala: 7.5/10. Don't underestimate ME you ****ing bastards!
Katsuya: 9/10. YOU'RE ALL UNDER ARREST!
Baofu 8.5/10. Damn, can't remember a Baofu quote off the top of my head. I love awesome older people though, I am one of those curmudgeonly people that Djinn is referring to because I am tired of teenagers.
Tatsuya: 0/10. No.
Nate: 5/10. Uh, I guess he has a cool hat.
Ellen: 3/10. She has a personality?
Villains? What villains?
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Eh. I agree with score if not that sentiment (granted, if you've -played- both (the patch is out~), then yeah, unfair, but not if you only played EP). Can see where he's coming from, though (she's pretty damn well personified, just not so much in EP). still probably one of the best silent mains (this is like winning the lottery and getting three quarters).
(i like) parent(hesis)
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Persona 2: Eternal Punishment Innocent Sin
Maya: Gonna give her a 9.5, what's an EP, superior driving
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Eh. I agree with score if not that sentiment (granted, if you've -played- both (the patch is out~), then yeah, unfair, but not if you only played EP). Can see where he's coming from, though (she's pretty damn well personified, just not so much in EP). still probably one of the best silent mains (this is like winning the lottery and getting three quarters).
(i like) parent(hesis)
If you play IS, you can practically imagine everything she says in EP, even if she doesn't say it. I give her a lot of credit as a character for that. I understand a lot of people won't see it that way, though.
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To be fair I haven't played IS and imagined everything she had to say because that is ROLE PLAYING you guys should try it sometime.
10/10 Maya is the best Stripping Gorrila ever.
Oh wait I forgot to add water to my joke trolling. Now we have dead sea monkeys.
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I've never really understood the sentiment that the main should be silent so you can imagine yourself as them when you're not given any freedom to make decisions in those games. Suikoden II is a particularly offensive example.
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Hey, be fair Rob, in Suikoden 2 you are given the choice to be a total tool and go live by yourself if you really really want. You even get slapped like the sissy bitch you are if you try.
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I am not the one who would be slapped. I would do the slapping. Also I would be the one killing Jowy with an ambush.
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So your complaint is that all of S2's choices result in you being some flavour of pussy.
I can't say I don't see why you have a problem with this.
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It's more like giving me a menu but every option is being a pussy, but if I want I may supersize it and add a layer of pussy sauce.
Also I fucking hate his character art.
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Also I fucking hate his character art.
For realz. Riou is terrible.
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Bike shorts and a neckerchief. I want to waterboard whoever designed him.
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Jowy: Hahaha I lied to you buddy I know we just want peace and theoretically dislike war but surrender to me it's useless!
Riou:
A) "Okay. I am a pussy."
B) "..." (I am still a pussy but too scared to even speak.)
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"too bad for you, fucker. I let in a suicide bomber earlier."
God damn I love Fallout.
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I was worried that I had started something horrible with jokes, but I am glad to see this is glorious.
Ciatos, is it time we started up a Suikoden Art Appreciation thread to continue the same line of conversation we had with the Elves?
Edit - And to hate on Suikoden 2 Elf, if you run away because seriously, zombies coming through the window, his axe is on fire, then Suikoden 2 makes Georg call you a punk bitch and to go fuck yourself. What kind of freedom of choice is that?
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Why, it's almost like they just wanted to not have to write dialogue or something.
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Clearly this is the perfect point for branching plot where you go around punching dudes in the mouth as Georg's apprentice of punching dudes in the mouth.
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I would use my clearly-retarded and extremely obnoxious sister as a human shield, since clearly she refuses to go the fuck away.
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Persona 2: Eternal Punishment (6 votes)
Maya - 7.041666667
Ulala - 5.916666667
Katsuya - 6.166666667
Baofu - 7.166666667
Tatsuya - 2.416666667
Nate - 6
Ellen - 7.2
Guido - 6.25
Ishigami Chizuru - 3.333333333
Tatsuzou (Tatsuya Suzuo) - 3.75
Tatsudou (Tatsuya Sudou) - 5
Nyarlathotep - 8.25
Legaia 2 (7 votes)
Lang - 4.857142857
Maya - 6.714285714
Kazan - 5.571428571
Sharon - 6.857142857
Ayne - 3.428571429
Bubba - 4.5
Elliot - 3.833333333
Marienne - 3.5
Doplin - 4.166666667
Velna - 4.9
Rauss - 2.6
Avalon - 2.5
Bonus Round!!! Les Miserables (0 votes)
What the fuck is WRONG with you people? Do you have no CULTURE? We'll revisit this LATER.
Good
1) Gig: 9.5
2) Citan: 9.25
3) Lily: 8.85
4) Yuri (SH1): 8.79
5) Nanako: 8.56
6) Kanji: 8.40
7) Dojima: 8.36
8) Arnaud: 8.35
9) Nyarlathotep: 8.25
10) Yosuke: 8.20
Bad
1) Goto: 1.00
2) Zemus/Zeromus: 1.11
3) Raven: 1.5
4) Alonso: 1.78
5) Kain(FF4): 1.89
6) Fiore: 1.9
7) Asia: 1.9
8) Alfina: 1.94
9) Gogo: 2.00
10) Exdeath: 2.07
I am thoroughly impressed that half of the highest ranked characters are from SMT games :).
Alright, as a reminder - massive spoilers may ensue within. Please be advised. You are free to vote using intervals of 0.1. No smaller. Vote however you see fit to rank the characters. Let's do a bit of old and new here...with a theme! Guess the theme, win a prize.
Radiant Historia
Stocke
Raynie
Marco
Rosch
Aht
Eruca
Gafka
Heiss
Queen Protea
Selvan
Dias
Hugo
Viola
Garland
Vanoss
Liese
Teo
Lippti
Sonja
Kiel
Raul
Tales of Phantasia
Cless
Mint
Chester
Klarth
Arche
Dhaos
BONUS!!!! - Ducktales
Scrooge McDuck
Huey
Dewey
Loiue
Donald
Gyro Gearloose
Duckworth
Launchpad McQuack
Ms. Beakley
Webigal Vanderquack
Fenton Crackshell
Bubba Duck and Tootsie
The Beagle Boys (and Ma Beagle)
Flintheart Glomgold
Magica de Spell
You have 1-2 weeks to vote. I will let you know when this closes. GET VOTING!!!!!
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Obviously ranking comments contain spoilers.
Radiant Historia
Stocke: 7.5/10. Stocke's pretty cool. Well-done introvert, way nicer guy than his exterior indicates. A bit Gary Stuish at points but at others is quite solid.
Raynie: 4/10. Boring, but not bad.
Marco: 4/10.
Rosch: 6/10. I like Rosch, but I have a hard time justifying why. I think he bounces off Stocke pretty well.
Aht: 3.5/10. I don't hate her as much as most people, but she's not very good.
Eruca: 6/10. Is a princess. Doesn't really push the archetype of her envelope but she doesn't embarrass herself either.
Gafka: 3/10. Hello, stereotype.
Heiss: 6.5/10. I didn't really quite buy his motivations, but I'm not too far from it.. I like his interactions with Stocke though.
Queen Protea: 5/10. Cartoonishly evil. It works somewhat.
Selvan: 5/10. No real opinion.
Dias: 5/10.
Hugo: 7/10. Pretty damn good at wielding power, gotta love the way he whips up his own people into a fervour. My favourite of the villains.
Viola: 4/10. Reminds me a bit of FE8 Selena except she doesn't suck, but "I know my boss is evil but still we must fight!" is rarely good.
Garland: 4/10. Meh. Felt like one of those guys who just knows how to spot the good guys and the bad guys just because he's so cool, y'know? Missed opportunity to explore the politics of a third nation here.
Vanoss: 3.5/10. He existed?
Liese: 3.5/10.
Teo: 5.5/10. Bonus half point for the scene where they do try to break the rules and we see that the rules do in fact get enforced.
Lippti: 5.5/10. Well these two are the same damn character.
Sonja: 5/10. Shrug.
Kiel: 5/10. Shrug.
Raul: 6/10. A cool, competent leader for Stocke and co. Worked and I bought into him.
The cast isn't very good at getting strong feelings about of me apparently! There's a few good ones mixed in there at least, though nobody amazing.
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Radiant Historia
Stocke - 8/10
Raynie - 6/10
Marco - 6/10
Rosch - 6/10
Aht - 1/10
Eruca - 6/10
Gafka - 2/10
Heiss - 3/10
Queen Protea - 5/10
Selvan
Dias - 6/10
Hugo
Viola - 1/10
Garland
Vanoss
Liese
Teo
Lippti
Sonja - 5.5/10
Kiel - 5/10
Raul
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fuck yeah
Radiant Historia
Stocke - Comes across as a bit too perfect at times but otherwise pretty well done. 8/10.
Raynie - Interactions with Stocke keep her from becoming air. 4/10.
Marco - A bit blander than Raynie. 3.5/10.
Rosch - Interacts well with Stocke. 6/10.
Aht - Stupid loligoat. 1/10.
Eruca - She's okay. 5/10.
Gafka - Hi stereotype. 2/10.
Heiss - Motivations aside, he works. 6.5/10.
Queen Protea - She fails so much, it's great. 6/10.
Selvan - Diaselvan is generally okay up until the end. 5/10.
Dias - 5/10.
Hugo - Effective powerhungry asshole. 7/10.
Viola - Ugh, better than FE8 Selena but that doesn't say a whole lot. 3/10.
Garland - Wasted potential. 3/10.
Vanoss - Existed. 3/10.
Liese - Existed. 3/10.
Teo - Trust him, he's a doctor. 6/10.
Lippti - Trust her, she's a doctor. 6/10.
Sonja - Had some decent interactions with Rosch but didn't really inspire much. 5/10.
Kiel - Eh. 4/10.
Raul - Points for being the one leader in Alistel with his head on straight, apparently. 6/10.
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Radiant Historia
Stocke - 8/10 - Good stuff.
Raynie - 4.5/10 - Bland, but conveyed "wants to get into Stocke's pants" perfectly.
Marco - 4/10 - Slightly more Bland.
Rosch - 6.5/10 - Works well with Stocke. Needs to exist more.
Aht - 5.5/10 - I liked her. I didn't get the usual "creepy loli vibes" here. The writing was good enough that she felt like a normal little girl, magical goat powers aside.
Eruca - 6.5/10 - Sensible enough. Could have benefitted from more screen time.
Gafka - 3/10 - I like his archetype, but god damn break outside the box a little...
Heiss - 7/10
Queen Protea - 7/10 - Feels like WAXF-villain-lite.
Sonja - 5.5
Kiel - 5.5
Tales of Phantasia
Cless - 2/10 - Ooh ooh! I figured out the theme! It's "Blonde-haired sword-wielding Main", right? ;)
Mint - 0/10 - Or maybe it's "First female met in the game is inexplicably in love with the main"?
Chester - 4/10 - I got it! It's "Save your best friend by travelling through time!"
Klarth - 8/10 - Klarth is genuinely cool. I remember liking that the older, wiser member of the party was actually the one doing most of the decision-making. He did all the research, forged all the summon pacts, made all the cool machines, and made all the awesome oyaji-pervy jokes.
Arche - 10/10 - Yeah, there's a slight bias here. Arche got a really cool introduction into the party, as a possessed NPC who set out to help settle her deceased friend's final wishes. And then went on to have some pretty good drama concerning her rather unique parentage (for the ToP world anyway). In general though, I appreciated her for the upbeat personality and her funny lines. She played off the other (incredibly stoic) characters somehow to keep ToP from being a total snore-fest outside battle.
Dhaos - 9/10 - Also awesome.
BONUS!!!! - Ducktales
Scrooge McDuck - 9
Huey - 4
Dewey - 4
Loiue - 4
Donald - 9
Gyro Gearloose
Duckworth - 5
Launchpad McQuack - 9
Ms. Beakley - 3
Webigal Vanderquack - 2
Fenton Crackshell - 7 GIZMODUCK!
Bubba Duck and Tootsie
The Beagle Boys (and Ma Beagle) - 3
Flintheart Glomgold - 6
Magica de Spell - 9
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Radiant Historia
Stocke: 8.5/10. Introverts for life! I dug Stocke a lot, especially when he epically fucks up. Why yes, I think I should help Hugo become all-powerful, I have to think this through carefully...
Raynie: 4.5/10.
Marco: 3/10.
Rosch: 7/10. Definitely think he could have had more screentime, but I really liked what was there. I mean, I did use him as a PC, and that's not really a great idea...
Aht: 2/10. Loligoat, thanks Randomy.
Eruca: 7/10. I like her, she's got a good head on her shoulders.
Gafka: 2/10. I've seen this character before...
Heiss: 7.5/10. I dig Heiss quite a bit. The tradition of sacrifice is nonsensical enough that I can understand why someone would become bitter by it, and I think it's amusing how he doesn't get how Stocke came to a different conclusion through seeing the world.
Queen Protea: 4/10.
Selvan: 3/10. I don't like Selvan, he never does anything.
Dias: 5/10.
Hugo: 6/10. Where did he go in the other path?
Viola: 2/10. Yuck. Her last scene left a bad taste in my mouth.
Garland: 4/10.
Vanoss: 3/10.
Liese: 3/10.
Teo: 5/10.
Lippti: 5/10 Cute kids~
Sonja: 4/10. She's a girl and she's in love with Rosch, baby.
Kiel: 5/10. Shrug.
Raul: 6/10. Nice hair, Salome.
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Update tomorrow! Which means I get to vote later!
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Radiant Historia
Stocke - 9. I really like Stocke. Objectively an excellent character, subjectively...well, great. Yeah, solid overall.
Raynie - 4.2. She's cute. Otherwise...you can tell she was originally meant to be killed off early.
Marco - 3. As above, but not cute.
Rosch - 7.3. I like his side stuff a bunch. Good, but benefits a lot from Stocke on the side.
Aht - 5. Cute. Otherwise...yeah. Kind of like what Djinni said.
Eruca - 7.3. Pretty good, like Rosch.
Gafka - 1.8. Lolwut?
Heiss - 9.5. I love Heiss.
Queen Protea - 4.3. Don't care much about a lot of these villains.
Selvan - 3
Dias - 2.2
Hugo - 7.4. He's cool, at least.
Viola - 2.7
Garland - 4.3
Vanoss - 3
Liese - 3
Teo - 7
Lippti - 7. Really like the twins as a force of nature.
Sonja - 3
Kiel - 3.3
Raul - 5.5
Tales of Phantasia
Cless - 2.5. Lol
Mint - 1.9. Loler
Chester - 2.1. Bonus for Arche.
Klarth - 8.9. Smart, sophisticated, likes sex.
Arche - 5.1.
Dhaos - 8.5
BONUS!!!! - Ducktales
Scrooge McDuck - 9.2. Awesome.
Huey - 2
Dewey - 2
Loiue - 2. I hate these brats.
Donald - eh....5. He's barely present.
Gyro Gearloose - 5.
Duckworth - 5. Is a butler.
Launchpad McQuack - 8
Ms. Beakley - 2.
Webigal Vanderquack - 1.1. Worse than the triplets.
Fenton Crackshell - 8
Bubba Duck and Tootsie - 3. Hell if I remember them much.
The Beagle Boys (and Ma Beagle) - 5.5
Flintheart Glomgold - 9
Magica de Spell - 7
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Radiant Historia
Stocke - 8/10 I liked Stocke. My main wish was that they didn't Gary Stu him as much as they do later. They sell him as a badass very well on his competence even -ignoring- time travelling; he didn't need to have his extra, uh, destinies as well.
Raynie & Marco - 5/10. These two are basically a pair and exist to give Stocke something to work with. Sure. I liked the one bit of backstory they have with the Black Chronicle wielder, though.
Rosch - 6/10 Serviceable.
Aht - 4/10. "Not as annoying as I expected" is kind of damning with faint praise, as she is still annoying. At least they sort of sold a plot reason for her to be hanging out with the party, which was good, and her minor career as an exorcist was weird but kind of interesting.
Eruca - 6/10. "Is a princess" covers things pretty well. But I liked her attitude toward Stocke and statements about the sacrifice being the emergency last resort.
Gafka - 3/10. Bland.
Heiss - 7/10. Yeah, some of his plot is a bit wobbly, but on the whole I buy it. I liked the extend-the-useless-war-forever thing as a way to bring the world to ruin. On the downside, I feel he only uses the Black Chronicle for hax in a time-travelley way twice, and one is weird. Raynie & Marco's backstory? Perfect. He re-ran the monster attack until they were the only 2 spared. A+. And... killing Eruca. Except in a weird way. Stocke can only travel back to nodes in time he was at, and was a notable node. Was Heiss really out hiking the wilderness and trailing Stocke or something?! Pretty sure there are scenes with Standard History Heiss back in Alistel.... and of course if Heiss really decided that Eruca was necessary to kill off, you'd think he could have done that shortly after stealing the Black Chronicle and killing his brother. Just travel back to that node and kill Eruca then when Stocke can't intervene. This plan is a bit weird anyway since Heiss does love his nephew so it's odd he's willing to off his niece, and even then seemingly doesn't do it despite having his new henchmen capture her in the endgame. I thought the plan was kill, not kidnap? Oh well. Other than that he mostly uses the Black Chronicle for long-range killing and powering monsters up, which isn't as cool, although I can see the disintegration as being a paradox effect from Heiss killing them in the past or something too, maybe. That said, I buy giving the White Chronicle to Stocke, which was the event I expected to scratch my head at the most, so cool, I buy it.
Queen Protea - 6/10. Chews the scenery well enough.
Selvan & Dias - 5/10. I liked how they manage their sort-of-puppet Protea, but toward the end of the game they kind of go pathetic in both storylines.
Hugo 6/10. A bit bland but sure he worked.
Viola - 3/10. +1 for responding pretty competently to Stocke's "surprise here are the enemy plans get moving" revelation. I liked that. -3 for her final plotline, especially since she doesn't actually die. "Better than Selena," yes, and faint praise as usual. However disspiriting it would be for Viola to die, it'd be far more disspirting to the war effort where she to denounce it and resign. It'd have been fine had the game had Stocke badmouth her for having a martyr complex, or some attachment to 'honor' and valuing her reputation as a non-traitor over her life, but he doesn't which implies the game thinks this was a decent idea.
Garland - 3/10. Yuck. Hooray for the slave-driving king? Thought that arc could have used some work, notably in that you never get to settle up with the people who kidnapped you, nor do you get to settle up with Garland really.
(skipping side characters who were too sidey)
Kiel - 5/10. He worked.
Raul - 6/10. He also worked.
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Radiant Historia (6 Votes)
Stocke - 8.142857143
Raynie - 4.6
Marco - 4.071428571
Rosch - 6.4
Aht - 3.142857143
Eruca - 6.257142857
Gafka - 2.4
Heiss - 6.714285714
Queen Protea - 5.328571429
Selvan - 4.2
Dias - 4.7
Hugo - 6.68
Viola - 2.616666667
Garland - 3.66
Vanoss - 3.125
Liese - 3.125
Teo - 5.875
Lippti - 5.875
Sonja - 4.666666667
Kiel - 4.685714286
Raul - 5.9
Tales of Phantasia (2 Votes)
Cless - 2.25
Mint - 0.95
Chester - 3.05
Klarth - 8.45
Arche - 7.55
Dhaos - 8.75
BONUS!!!! - Ducktales (2 Votes)
Scrooge McDuck - 9.1
Huey - 3
Dewey - 3
Loiue - 3
Donald - 7
Gyro Gearloose - 5
Duckworth - 6.5
Launchpad McQuack - 5.5
Ms. Beakley - 2.05
Webigal Vanderquack - 5
Fenton Crackshell - 5
Bubba Duck and Tootsie - 3
The Beagle Boys (and Ma Beagle) - 4.25
Flintheart Glomgold - 7.5
Magica de Spell - 8
Good
1) Gig: 9.5
2) Citan: 9.25
3) Lily: 8.85
4) Yuri (SH1): 8.79
5) Dhaos: 8.75
6) Nanako: 8.56
7) Klarth: 8.45
8) Kanji: 8.40
9) Dojima: 8.36
10) Arnaud: 8.35
Bad
1) Mint: 0.95
2) Goto: 1.00
3) Zemus/Zeromus: 1.11
4) Raven: 1.5
5) Alonso: 1.78
6) Kain(FF4): 1.89
7) Fiore: 1.9
8) Asia: 1.9
9) Alfina: 1.94
10) Gogo: 2.00
So, Mint has officially replaced Goto as the worst character here! Congratulations! Hooray! I'm cutting down from here on in on the number of characters - if you want to add them, feel free to.
Alright, as a reminder - massive spoilers may ensue within. Please be advised. You are free to vote using intervals of 0.25. No smaller. Vote however you see fit to rank the characters.
Cthulhu Saves the World
Cthulhu
Umi
Sharpe
October
Paws
Dacre
Ember
Elonalina
Molly
The Narrator
Wild ARMs 3
Virginia Maxwell
Jet Enduro
Gallows Carradine
Clive Winslett
Janus Cascade
Maya Schrodinger
Alfred Schrodinger
Todd Dukakis
Shady Thousand
Melody Vilente
Malik Bendict
Leehalt Alcaste
Asgard
Zeikfried/Seigfried
Beatrice
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Qui-Gon Jinn
Anakin Skywalker
Jar Jar Binks
Queen Amidala
Senator Palpatine
Shmi Skywalker
C-3PO
R2-D2
Watto
Yoda
Mace Windu
Boss Nass
Nute Gunray
Darth Maul
As usual, 1-2 weeks to vote. I'll let you know when things are closing. Have fun!
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Personally I don't think 2 votes is a large enough sample size to add anyone to the top/bottom ten, but I'm not the one running this thread!
Too lazy to rate characters now, will do so later.
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I considered it, but then I looked back and saw there's been precedent for that, so...eh. I could go either way, honestly - it was a small session, but somewhat obscure. I could go either way - if others feel strongly, let me know.
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Hmm... objectively, I agree with the idea that a small sample size, even including my own vote, is kind of a bad precedent for adding someone to the top ten lists. In particular, while I love Klarth, objectively, I assumed he'd end up a bit lower from popular opinion (even though I personally feel he's worthy of the rank).
On the other hand, I am 100% for anything that shows off how terrible Mint is as a character. (And I suspect that popular opinion would still have landed her in the bottom ten anyway...)
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I agree with the Elf/Djinn sentiments.
Since no one seems to want to post ratings... !
Wild ARMs 3
Virginia Maxwell: 1/10
Jet Enduro: 2/10
Gallows Carradine: 9/10
Clive Winslett: 5/10
Janus Cascade: 3/10. Seifer.
Maya Schrodinger: 1/10
Alfred Schrodinger: 6/10. Pandas in my backpack.
Todd Dukakis: 5/10
Shady Thousand: 6/10. Elf bait.
Melody Vilente: 0/10.
Malik Bendict: 6.5/10.
Leehalt Alcaste: 3/10.
Asgard: Kweh.
Zeikfried/Seigfried: Kweh!?
Beatrice: K-KWEHHH!!!
Mace Windu: 9/10
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Hey let me add in a late ToP vote so it is totes fine..
Tales of Phantasia
Cless - 4
Mint - 3
Chester - 4
Klarth - 8.45
Arche - 6
Dhaos - 8.75
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Obi-Wan Kenobi 6/10
Qui-Gon Jinn 8/10
Anakin Skywalker 1/10
Jar Jar Binks 0/10
Queen Amidala 2/10
Senator Palpatine 10/10
Shmi Skywalker 2/10
C-3PO 2/10
R2-D2 2/10
Watto 5/10
Yoda 2/10
Mace Windu 10/10
Boss Nass 2/10
Nute Gunray 1/10
Darth Maul 2/10
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Cthulhu Saves the World
Cthulhu - 7
Umi - 7
Sharpe - 3
October - 3
Paws - 3
Dacre - 2
Ember - 3
Elonalina - 5
Molly - 3
The Narrator - 7.5
Wild ARMs 3
Virginia Maxwell - 5
Jet Enduro - 1
Gallows Carradine - 6
Clive Winslett - 9
Janus Cascade - 5
Maya Schrodinger - 6
Alfred Schrodinger - 3
Todd Dukakis - 5
Shady Thousand - 5.5
Melody Vilente - 2
Malik Bendict - 2
Leehalt Alcaste - 2
Asgard - 3
Zeikfried/Seigfried - 3
Beatrice - 8
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Wild ARMs 3
Virginia Maxwell - 8/10 - Really driven character, father-issues that didn't annoy me, being a female lead that's not fanservice helps. Honestly, she'd be one of my favorite characters period if she'd just shut up about Wings.
Jet Enduro - 3/10 - Conversely, Jet is the epitome of 90s 'cool', and everything that's wrong with that. I kind of liked him at the end after he stopped being emo. Sort of a poorly-done Cloud Strife.
Gallows Carradine - 9 - He just wants to party but is fettered by adult responsibility. I empathize with this so hard.
Clive Winslett - 6 - Is an adult! He's got a kid! Kind of bland, but competence in this group goes a long way.
Janus Cascade - 7.5 - Crazy, but that special brand of crazy that makes me smile.
Maya Schrodinger - 10 - Objectively more of an 8, but +2 for Lesbianism.
Alfred Schrodinger - 3 - Is there.
Todd Dukakis - 2 - Is kinda there.
Shady Thousand - 5 - Is Schroedinger's Cat, so +5.
Melody Vilente - 3
Malik Bendict - 4
Leehalt Alcaste - 3
Asgard - 4 - +1 for cameos
Zeikfried/Seigfried - 5 - ditto
Beatrice - 3 - Space Flea, but an adorable little girl.
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Obi-Wan Kenobi - 7
Qui-Gon Jinn - 2 - FAIL
Anakin Skywalker - 4 - Bad acting
Jar Jar Binks - 1 - Objectively a 0, but +1 because I like being different.
Queen Amidala - 3 - Pretty?
Senator Palpatine - 7 - Saturday Morning Cartoon villain!
Shmi Skywalker - who
C-3PO - 6 - sure
R2-D2 - 6 - whynot
Watto - whatnow
Yoda - 6 - Not actually all that badass here.
Mace Windu - 7 - Hey look, it's diversity!
Boss Nass - dun remember
Nute Gunray - who
Darth Maul - -1 - Inspired hoardes of 90s kids to wear face paint.
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Cthulhu Saves the World
Cthulhu: 7.5/10. Breaks the fourth wall in fun ways. Is Cthulhu.
Umi: 5/10. Decent parody.
Sharpe: 3.5/10. Um. There's worse.
October: 4/10. I think I like her a bit more than Sharpe or Paws? Have trouble justifying that though.
Paws: 3.5/10. His arc was decent.
Dacre: 1/10. Emblematic of how the writing goes south in the second half.
Ember: 1.5/10. Has one kinda good line.
Elonalina: I am reminded I need to play Cthulhu's Angels.
Molly: Yep.
The Narrator: 7/10. Okay he (?) is pretty fun. Narrator + Cthulhu interaction is the game's best character work.
Wild ARMs 3
Virginia Maxwell: 7/10. Not amazing and I can see why she'd annoy, but overall I think she goes through some real development and has some fun moments. Good enough.
Jet Enduro: 2/10. I LIVE ONLY FOR MYSELF. LENNETH, WHAT ABOUT YOU?
Gallows Carradine: 6/10. Average + cool scenes with Shane lategame.
Clive Winslett: 6/10. I liked him more than Gallows for most of the game, but where C4 helps Gallows, it hurts Clive and his random giving up for flimsy reasons. Oh well. A cool and collected leader aside from that, kinda Gary Stu but believable, and bonus points for being a family man.
Janus Cascade: 3/10. I dunno. Janus might be a 5 on raw writing, but he's completely ruined by his fanbase who misses the fucking point. The guy's a tool and gets played like a fiddle by villains above his payscale.
Maya Schrodinger: 8/10. I like Maya's firey personality, and her plot, silly though it may be. Living every nerdy bookworm's fantasy. Interaction with Virginia is generally quite golden, and really the main reason earlygame Virginia is tolerable.
Alfred Schrodinger: 5/10. Panda backpack. Also pyro.
Todd Dukakis: 4/10. Afro.
Shady Thousand: 7/10. Schroedinger's cat, bitches. Sadly fanboyism only gets you a 7. Anyway, I like the Schroedinger gang and thought their individual gimmicks made them a lot of fun.
Melody Vilente: Prophets are so weird. I've ranted about this before, I think they're all individually unconvincing villains. Melody's unfathomably obsessed with her own beauty, Malik is like that crazy BoF3 dude's clone, Leehalt is Kain. However their interaction is phenomenal and their collective motivation (this world has rejected us? Well fuck that, we're remaking it!) is good fun. Man I dunno what to make of that, score-wise.
Malik Bendict: ^
Leehalt Alcaste: ^
Asgard: 3/10. You on the other hand are just boring. I think he's supposed to be the "cool" villain or something.
Zeikfried/Seigfried: 5/10. He's okay. Bounces off the prophets well. Unexceptional though.
Beatrice: 7/10. Really have no idea how anyone can consider her a space flea, she's heavilly forshadowed all game long (various characters' dreams, the mysterious sabotage of Yggdrasil). I like villains who are built up quietly that way, and she does a decent job at her turn on centre stage, reprising the prophets in a way that feels less selfish and more completely alien. Also, evil little girl is a fun design. Not very deep but works.
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Obi-Wan Kenobi: 6/10. I remember quite liking Obi-wan. Made a pretty good hero for the series. Maybe I'm just remembering him in episode 3 where I thought he was great, I dunno.
Qui-Gon Jinn: 5/10. *shrug*
Anakin Skywalker: 2/10. Made me sit through that interminable pod-racing sequence. Otherwise a plot device.
Jar Jar Binks: 1/10. Occasionally funny saves him from a 0, but yeesh, the hate is largely deserved.
Queen Amidala: 4/10. Has her moments (I did like the reveal), but overall very bland.
Senator Palpatine: 8/10. Magnificent bastard. Okay he doesn't do much to deserve an 8 in this movie but what little he does do is pretty awesome setup for the series' main villain.
Shmi Skywalker: 2/10. Okay so you're the virgin Mary, that is a thing.
C-3PO: 6/10. Generally amusing, but I don't remember much specific to this movie.
R2-D2: 5/10. Yeah I'm the only person in the world who prefers C-3PO to R2-D2.
Watto: 4/10. Well his design is memorable.
Yoda: 5/10. He has that quote Necron stole. And uh... stuff.
Mace Windu: 5/10. I barely remember him in this movie. Someone else who got better in later prequel films.
Boss Nass: who is this? Jar-Jar's leader? *googles* 2/10. On screen less than Jar-Jar.
Nute Gunray: Trade federation dude, right? I kinda like the slimy political villains but it's a bad sign when I had trouble remembering your name. 4/10.
Darth Maul: 0/10. Fuck off. George Lucas doesn't get it, lightsaber duels are only epic when the drama is high. Does Luke vs. Vader (either iteration, really) have amazing choreography? Not especially. It doesn't matter, they're great scenes and memorable as hell. Darth Maul feels created for one of these but he has literally zero personality and I think one line in the entire movie. Oh yeah and he wears a mask as well so he isn't even allowed to act (at least Dooku had the fact that he was Christopher motherfucking Lee to salvage him). It makes for a disappointing conclusion to an already disappointing movie. Also that double-bladed light saber is an abortion.
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Copying Tal with some minor adjustments for CSTW.
Cthulhu Saves the World
Cthulhu - 7
Umi - 6
Sharpe - 3.5
October - 4
Paws - 3
Dacre - 3
Ember - 1.5
Elonalina - 5
Molly - 3
The Narrator - 8
Wild ARMs 3
Virginia Maxwell - Largely echoing NEB but with less love for her overall development. 5/10.
Jet Enduro - Is the Anti-Pro and constantly spews sand from his inexplicable mangina. 1/10.
Gallows Carradine - Him on the other hand I geniunely liked. 9/10.
Clive Winslett - Would be better if that facepalm-inducing C4 scene didn't exist. 5/10.
WA3 villains don't have a lot of serious merit to them but they tend to be pretty good at style and/or providing grist for the mockery mill so perhaps these scores may look inflated to some.
Janus Cascade - Unwitting dupe who is so much fun to mock. Instead of PURE IDEALS he has I AM THE MOST ROTTEN AND WILL BE KING OF THIS ROTTEN WORLD. 7/10.
Maya Schrodinger - Insane closeted lesbian with crazy bookworm powers. Yes. 8/10.
Alfred Schrodinger - Pyromaniac with a panda backpack. Yes. 6/10.
Todd Dukakis - You on the other hand are just boring. 3/10.
Shady Thousand - Is Schroedinger's Cat. 7/10.
Melody Vilente - Also so much fun to mock, but less so than Janus. 6/10.
Malik Bendict - I NEED AN ADULT. Same as Melody, but -3 points for mommy issues. 3/10.
Leehalt Alcaste - Grahf Ikari. 2/10.
Asgard - LOYALTY. 2/10.
Zeikfried/Seigfried - It's WA1 Zeik, but with more ham. He will turn the planet into the demons so he can go and conquer SPAAAAAAAAAACE. 4/10.
Beatrice - 5 points for trolling. 7/10.
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Obi-Wan Kenobi - Is okay. 6/10.
Qui-Gon Jinn - Is less okay. 4/10.
Anakin Skywalker - Plot device, beats episode 2 Anakin. 2/10.
Jar Jar Binks - No. 0/10.
Queen Amidala - zzzz. 3/10.
Senator Palpatine - Excellent. 8/10.
Shmi Skywalker - 2/10. Okay so you're the virgin Mary, that is a thing.
C-3PO - Barely existed. 2/10.
R2-D2 - R2 just isn't as much fun without C-3PO. 2/10.
Watto - Memorable enough. 4/10.
Yoda - zzz. 3/10.
Mace Windu - zzz. 3/10.
Boss Nass - FEED ME. 3/10.
Nute Gunray - Well that sure was a guy that did things. 2/10.
Darth Maul - I wish I could give him a negative score. 0/10.
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Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Obi-Wan Kenobi- 3/10. Obi-wan has not yet developed a personality in this movie. He has some scenes where they're clearly trying to establish "he's an experienced padawan, more or less ready to become a full Jedi Knight" but the dialogue is too lame to bring this across. still, he doesn't really drag the movie down, just kinda boring.
Qui-Gon Jinn- 5/10. In as much as anything happens in this movie, Qui-Gon is making it happen. Well, on the hero side.
I'm rearranging OK's listing here because I need to to properly address things.
Jar Jar Binks- 1/10. Jar Jar is pretty terrible. Doesn't bring anything to the movie and slows down a lot of scenes.
Anakin Skywalker- 0/10. Anakin though is... everything wrong with this movie. No thought was put into how to realize a goddamned 10 year old messiah in the setting. Oh he's the chosen one, right. But for the emotional core of your entire goddamned franchise, you've handicapped yourself with a 10 year old actor. Oh he needs something to do, here is two big dumb action sequences with no sense of urgency or emotional attatchment. He needs motivation scenes, here he is having his mom act circles around him because HE IS 10 AND ADULT EMOTIONS DO NOT REGISTER FOR HIM.
Queen Amidala- 3/10. Kinda lame but not offensive.
Senator Palpatine- 7/10. Smooth pimp.
Shmi Skywalker- 4/10. I had some faint caring about her fate and motivations. Perhaps I am grading on a curve?
C-3PO- 2/10. C-3P0 sucks in the prequels.
R2-D2- 5/10. Trying a little too hard but is still Artoo.
Watto- 2/10.
Yoda- 4/10.
Mace Windu- 3/10.
Boss Nass- 3/10. He at least succeeds at being a doofy comic relief alien for the kids.
Nute Gunray- 2/10. Laaaaaame.
Darth Maul- 3/10. 3 points for theme music, bitches.
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You know what? I can totally see it Elf. You are totes a 3-P0 sort of guy. CK is right though, he blows hard in the prequels. At least he didn't get his head swapped with a combat droid in a "comedy" scene during the climax of the movie.
Also a double ended saber seems like a terrible choice for an instrument to use in an abortion.
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Cthulhu Saves the World
Still haven't quite finished Cthulhu's Angels; at the Magitek Facility Innsmouth there.
Cthulhu - 7/10. Sure, Cthulhu has his moments. Or at least, when the game has actual humor, Cthulhu is usually involved.
Umi - 6/10 Decent enough parody, also gets amusing lines. C's Angels form is a different parody, and rather one-dimensional at times, but still works.
Sharpe - 2/10. The game does precisely 0 with him. Recruitment scene is random and Dragon Questy. I think he's supposed to be the straight man, but he doesn't even really do that.
October - 4/10. 2/10 in CSTW, nothing here either, which is a damn shame since necromancer cultist has just a ton of options and funny jokes to run with when fighting with *Cthulhu*, but heroic Cthulhu. +2 for some amusing lines in C's Angels that properly explore heroic necromancer thought processes. "Well everyone didn't like me because I was a Necromancer, and you're an outcast too, so clearly you're entirely right about being a reformed hero now!" Nicely quasi-pathetic, doing something. Still not enough to make her a *good* character but hey.
Paws - 4/10. Game doesn't do much with Paws, but his introduction plot arc is funny enough, and has a few amusing backchatter lines with Cthulhu.
Dacre - 2/10. See Sharpe. I reserve 1s for characters that actively offend me so "plotless recruit" is still only 2/10. His C's Angels appearance is also lame but not offensively so.
Ember - 2/10. Has one funny line, otherwise see Sharpe / Dacre.
Elonalina - 7/10. Okay she was pretty funny, and probably what they should have done with Sharpe. Having the adventuring heroine randomly helping out Cthulhu has comedy potential and it is actually explored. Well as much as you might expect in a low-dialogue game at least.
Molly - 4/10. I admit she gets funny lines later, but she is a very blatant, ah, "phone in" character who is obviously so cool, because she's cool, or something. "lol she's a werezompire with a cell phone" or something. Maybe there's some kind of hipster irony at work here where being cool is merely a matter of declaring the fact? Whatever. I thought it was more lame than funny, stating something rather than working with it, but she gets good lines later, so whatever.
The Narrator - 6/10 Plays off Cthulhu well enough, sure.
Wild ARMs 3
Check out this overwhelming wave of meh.
Virginia Maxwell - 3 Meh.
Jet Enduro -3 Meh.
Gallows Carradine -3 Meh.
Clive Winslett - 6 Okay I liked Clive. A bit Gary Stuy sure but the scholar researching the... as it turned out utterly bizarre plot twist that requires, frankly, reality sculpting rather than any experiment gone wrong, played to my biases.
Janus Cascade 6/10.
The guy's a tool and gets played like a fiddle by villains above his payscale.
That. But... Janus has a fanbase that thinks he's generically badass from NEB's comment?! Oh well. I liked Seifer and I like Janus. He's pathetic but the game knows this and he has his own menace anyway. That's actually something you see in a few Westerns that's hard to sell in video games... the cowardly bully is actually a problem, because he'll start firefights by shooting first in situations that could be defused. (But luckily everyone is shooting blanks in video games or something, so the idea that the wimpy gunfighter can still freaking shoot you dead in the back at the bar doesn't really translate).
Maya Schrodinger -3 Meh.
Alfred Schrodinger -3 Meh.
Todd Dukakis - 3 Meh.
Shady Thousand -3 Meh.
The Prophets - 6/10 I once more agree with NEB. Their individual motivations are on the lame side... and honestly the Beatrice reveal later further undercuts their own stock to raise hers... but they a reasonably effective opposition as a group. Sadly the dramatic quality of the villainy drops as the game moves on and uses more powerful yet lamer villains.
Asgard - 2/10 I don't recall what Asgard does in WA3 at all.
Zeikfried/Seigfried - 3/10. Meh.
Beatrice - 4/10. Meh. +1 for planting hints about her reveal in the diaries at Leyline Observatory, but still a bit space fleaish even with the foreshadowing.
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Cthulhu Saves the World
Cthulhu: 5. He had me giggling at times.
Umi: 5. She had me giggling too, thanks to Cthulhu's Angels.
Sharpe: 2. Don't care for him.
October: 2. Or her.
Paws: 2. Or him.
Dacre: 4. Points for Cthulhu's Angels making him more interesting. Just how crazy is he, really?
Ember: 3. He had a funny line.
Elonalina: 4. Again with amusing character lines.
Molly: 3. Barely remember her. Bonus points for being a Zombie/Werewolf/Vampire.
The Narrator: 7. Trolls you.
Wild ARMs 3
Virginia Maxwell: 9. She starts out interesting enough as a motivated but naive and inexperienced drifter. She goes through a lot of character development and has some good interactions. Just a well-done character in a lot of regards. Also, that scene where she freaks-out mentally about her father cheating on her mother was fucking gold.
Jet Enduro: 6. He is a bit of an ass but that is part of his character. It is used as a base to develop him from and stops being offensive fast enough. Watching him get 'defrosted' is somewhat fun and believable as he is just kind of going along with Virginia's energy, rather than suddenly deciding he is in love or something stupid.
Gallows Carradine: 7. Gallows is fun and has some good development and scenes.
Clive Winslett: 7. Works quite well as a static badass who mentors/advises the group.
Janus Cascade: 7. Such a great prick. Gets upgraded a lot but honestly never really changes.
Maya Schrodinger: 7. Certainly manages to be comical. Also her transformations are amusing.
Alfred Schrodinger: 3. Didn't leave an impression.
Todd Dukakis: 3. AFRO.
Shady Thousand: 5. Points for being Shroedinger's cat.
Melody Vilente: 5. Superficial girl taken to villainous extremes? That is worth points in and of itself.
Malik Bendict: 4. So damn creepy.
Leehalt Alcaste: 2. Boring.
Asgard: 6. He is pretty generic but good lord was that second comeback cool.
Zeikfried/Seigfried: 3. He does not exactly inspire much in the way of interest.
Beatrice: 8. Beatrice is hinted at the entire game. The common theme in way too many places of 'prophetic/influential dreams' should start setting off warning bells by the third major plot point about it. Her design is win (cosmic horror in very unassuming package). Had she not been properly hinted at this score would be significantly lower. Funny as that isn't her character at work but more the presentation of it, but I guess that goes to show the difference between concept and execution.