The RPG Duelling League
RPG Debate => RPGDL Discussion => Topic started by: Pyro on January 16, 2010, 05:12:28 AM
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Godlike:
Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Isolde (MK)
Lulu (FFX) vs Virgil (XSs)
Cloud of Darkness (FF3) vs Lambda (WA4)
Riou (S2) vs Heat (DDS)
Heavy:
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT)
Saki (SH2) vs Ike (FE9)
Ness (EB) vs Billy (XG)
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8)
Middle:
LC Chan (S2) vs Gafgarion (FFT)
Cid (FF7) vs Guy (FE7)
Noa (LoL) vs Roan (G2)
Taro (Dis2) vs Sharon (S3)
Light:
Luke (TotA) vs Mist (FE9)
Chidori (Pers 3) vs Vincent (S2)
Lucied (WAs) vs Karyl (ToD)
Tia (Lufia 2) vs Sten (BoF2)
What games do you want to see ranked?
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Godlike:
Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Isolde (MK)- Eh sure, new. I think she has the right damage type here.
Lulu (FFX) vs Virgil (XSs)- Shadow Wing.
Riou (S2) vs Heat (DDS)- More than enough Heat HP respect for this.
Heavy:
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT)- Artea's MDef doesn't do much (Or anything to status) but in this case Rofel's status... probably shouldn't be turn one in the DL, shields and mantles exist. That made the fight easy.
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8)- Death is accurate and doesn't really hit any stats in game besides status resistance.
Middle:
LC Chan (S2) vs Gafgarion (FFT)- LC Chan is a solid Middle. Great stats mean he should be able to outslug Gaf, who is is strictly a spoiler in Middle.
Cid (FF7) vs Guy (FE7)- Cid is just outclassed here.
Noa (LoL) vs Roan (G2)- As is Roan.
Taro (Dis2) vs Sharon (S3)- This is just sad.
Light:
Lucied (WAs) vs Karyl (ToD)- Not Lucied.
Tia (Lufia 2) vs Sten (BoF2)- Sten needs a OHKO to really hang in this fight for me and he doesn't get it.
P4 bosses and XF was my suggestion.
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Godlike:
Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Isolde (MK): Fou-Lu 3HKOs. Isolde 2 gets off 1 grand gaze which gets to use all its timed cards, and 3 of those OHKOing tripleacts. It all does around 4x PCHP, which is where I see Fou-Lu, then there's the possiblity of a doubleturn which would make this a slaughter. Fou's elemental switching doesn'thelp him here because grand ray and thunder rain are opposite elements.
Cloud of Darkness (FF3) vs Lambda (WA4): Kneejerking that CoD physicals just barely fail to OHKO Lambda. CoD is tough enough to get 2 turns but not 4.
Heavy:
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT):Faster, both 2HKO.
Saki (SH2) vs Ike (FE9): Energy charge then crush? Not totally sure here.
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8): edea.
Middle:
LC Chan (S2) vs Gafgarion (FFT): gaf.
Cid (FF7) vs Guy (FE7): Chip with iron or something then gut cid with a killer.
Taro (Dis2) vs Sharon (S3)
Light:
Tia (Lufia 2) vs Sten (BoF2)
p4 bosses
soul nomad
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Godlike:
Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Isolde (MK)- Yeah, NE magic and decently durable and faster!
Lulu (FFX) vs Virgil (XSs)- Have to look at this one, but kind of pointless since Virgil is winning
Cloud of Darkness (FF3) vs Lambda (WA4)- Multiacting versus Lambda
Riou (S2) vs Heat (DDS)- I'll have to check this one out later
Heavy:
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT)- Artea just OHKOs.
Saki (SH2) vs Ike (FE9)- Taking Ike's defense as division would let him live through the EC, but otherwise Saki smash.
Ness (EB) vs Billy (XG)- ID
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8)- ID
Middle:
LC Chan (S2) vs Gafgarion (FFT)
Cid (FF7) vs Guy (FE7)- Have to look at Guy's chipping. How good is that ID rate on the L2?
Noa (LoL) vs Roan (G2)
Taro (Dis2) vs Sharon (S3)
Light:
Luke (TotA) vs Mist (FE9)
Chidori (Pers 3) vs Vincent (S2)
Lucied (WAs) vs Karyl (ToD)- Gut reaction
Tia (Lufia 2) vs Sten (BoF2)- Buff and OHKO
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Godlike:
Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Isolde (MK): Too much more durability, I want to say.
Lulu (FFX) vs Virgil (XSs): Yeah yeah beats every PC ever boring.
Cloud of Darkness (FF3) vs Lambda (WA4)
Riou (S2) vs Heat (DDS)
Heavy:
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT): Artea OHKOing works.
Saki (SH2) vs Ike (FE9): A meager 1.35x overkill is a decentish 2HKO to Ike but he can tank it.
Ness (EB) vs Billy (XG): ID.
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8): Not sure.
Middle:
LC Chan (S2) vs Gafgarion (FFT): I guess...
Cid (FF7) vs Guy (FE7)
Noa (LoL) vs Roan (G2): 2HKO, SPirit if needed. I dunno.
Taro (Dis2) vs Sharon (S3): Right.
Light:
Luke (TotA) vs Mist (FE9): MIST.
Chidori (Pers 3) vs Vincent (S2): I guess...
Lucied (WAs) vs Karyl (ToD): Healing.
Tia (Lufia 2) vs Sten (BoF2): No itemcast'd Power spell, I don't think.
What games do you want to see ranked?
None, really. XF and ToV if we go by games I <3
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Godlike:
Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Isolde (MK): Think Fou-Lu 2HKOs with Dark Wave. After two Isolde turns he's still at about half HP or so. Don't think he'd live to see a third the way Isolde works, but yeah, the ITD property of Dark Wave saves him since Isolde is only modestly durable against ITD.
Lulu (FFX) vs Virgil (XSs): Stop~
Cloud of Darkness (FF3) vs Lambda (WA4): Multi-acting. Lambda doesn't kill before Cloud's second turn.
Riou (S2) vs Heat (DDS): Riou is very close to a OHKO. But not quite.
Heavy:
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT): Might OHKO, doesn't need to.
Saki (SH2) vs Ike (FE9): Ragnell ensures Ike pdur is good enough to take a hit here, and that's all he has to do.
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8): Unless someone wants to argue me into having Death hit speed. My comfort level with Edea doesn't help matters here, I'll admit.
Middle:
LC Chan (S2) vs Gafgarion (FFT): Pretty sure LC Chan has the oomph for this.
Cid (FF7) vs Guy (FE7): Can avoid the worst limits and dodging means he definitely lives long enough.
Light:
Luke (TotA) vs Mist (FE9): Mist isn't very good.
Tia (Lufia 2) vs Sten (BoF2): Need to think about this one. And unlike Fou vs. Isolde I lack the patience to do so at the moment.
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Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Isolde (MK): Think Fou-Lu 2HKOs with Dark Wave. After two Isolde turns he's still at about half HP or so. Don't think he'd live to see a third the way Isolde works, but yeah, the ITD property of Dark Wave saves him since Isolde is only modestly durable against ITD.
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8): Unless someone wants to argue me into having Death hit speed. My comfort level with Edea doesn't help matters here, I'll admit.
Only half HP for Fou after 2 Isolde hits where Isolde is being 2HKOed? You see Fou Lu with 4+ PC HP MDurability?
I'm assuming for Articuno, you mean immune Death being faster? Since...well, even just resisting might not be enough. I guess it depends on how much Edea normally mocks magic and how you see her HP. But Articuno's speed may not even have the punch to make Death turn 2 if you see by simple resistance and not immuning (Although not sure how you'd categorize resistance in this case).
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Saki (SH2) vs Ike (FE9)- Taking Ike's defense as division would let him live through the EC, but otherwise Saki smash.
Isn't SH2 defense subtractive? EC just applies a mult to the end damage so it still bangs into defense just as hard.
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Yeah, both SH 2 and FE 9 use subtractive defenses (But I go off how the defender's defense works anyways, but subtractive irregardless). Means that Ike isn't a general fan of Saki only needing to throw out one attack string at him (Especially since SH 2 only likes to check defense once regardless of number of hits!)
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Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Isolde (MK) - Isolde opens with that Sword Creation, rips a chunk of Fou's HP and now he's just sorta unable to butch away before hitting the limit. Sword Creation x2 + Grand Gaze is enough to KO Fou to me, and Isolde's even 3-2ing due to SC's ridiculous recharge. Yeah.
Lulu (FFX) vs Virgil (XSs) - lol stop. I sorta suspect Lulu doesn't even get to chip if you don't allow the HP buffering, because the first form's Slow = dear god Lulu is 1/3 average speed what the fuck.
Cloud of Darkness (FF3) vs Lambda (WA4) - FF3o CoD.
Riou (S2) vs Heat (DDS) - No OHKO. Too bad.
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT) - Artea 2HKOs, the MDef nerfs the status that can win the match, immunes Silence... and just yeah. Rofel can't stop him.
Ness (EB) vs Billy (XG) - mumble mumble brainshock
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8) - Really not willing to give Edea that much credit. Suicune couldn't quite OHKO her HP, but I'm willing to give Arti the benefit of doubt.
LC Chan (S2) vs Gafgarion (FFT) - sasdgcvhyj
Cid (FF7) vs Guy (FE7) - Yeah.
Noa (LoL) vs Roan (G2) - Loving is tough.
Chidori (Pers 3) vs Vincent (S2) - Oh please. Chidori HP means a Vincent physical+that one shot of The Shredding 2HKO.
Lucied (WAs) vs Karyl (ToD) - Lucied and healers do not mix.
Tia vs. Sten - Don't really give much of a damn.
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Rank Hippopressor.
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Saki (SH2) vs Ike (FE9): Ragnell ensures Ike pdur is good enough to take a hit here, and that's all he has to do.
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8) - Really not willing to give Edea that much credit. Suicune couldn't quite OHKO her HP, but I'm willing to give Arti the benefit of doubt.
Will probably suggest P4 bosses and FE10. I -still- think FE10 would be an awesome rank, but could easily be swayed if I thought there would be enough hype for Pokemon/SMT3 ranks.
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Godlike:
Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Isolde (MK) - Fou-Lu. Too durable.
Lulu (FFX) vs Virgil (XSs) - Virgil. Goes first, blows her up.
Cloud of Darkness (FF3) vs Lambda (WA4) - Cloud of Darkness. Multiple parts screw Lambda up.
Riou (S2) vs Heat (DDS) - Heat. Finalist! Which reminds me - almost done with the DDS2 runthrough for PCs!
Heavy:
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT) - Artea.
Saki (SH2) vs Ike (FE9) - Ike...barely. IkeAll...so lucky I allow that, and infinite Aethers.
Ness (EB) vs Billy (XG) - Ness. Go back to the parish, Billy. And get eaten by zombies.
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8) - Edea. Boss
Middle:
LC Chan (S2) vs Gafgarion (FFT) - ...failure.
Cid (FF7) vs Guy (FE7) - Cid. Materia.
Noa (LoL) vs Roan (G2) - Noa. Need to get back to that LoL PC update.
Taro (Dis2) vs Sharon (S3) - Sharon. Damn runes!
Light:
Luke (TotA) vs Mist (FE9) - ...damnit. Luke ;_;
Chidori (Pers 3) vs Vincent (S2) - Chidori. Instant Death I think does it.
Lucied (WAs) vs Karyl (ToD) - Lucied. Poor Shir ;_;
Tia (Lufia 2) vs Sten (BoF2) - Tia. Spells!
Supporting Forgotton Warriors from Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 and Soul Nomad. That second spot can be anything, really >_>
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Only half HP for Fou after 2 Isolde hits where Isolde is being 2HKOed? You see Fou Lu with 4+ PC HP MDurability?
While I like Isolde, I feel the need to remind folks that her first turn comes rather slow.
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Only half HP for Fou after 2 Isolde hits where Isolde is being 2HKOed? You see Fou Lu with 4+ PC HP MDurability?
Isolde 2. Grand Gaze + Grand Gaze timed card + Ancient Secret is about 1.5x PCHP and I see Fou as about 3.
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Only half HP for Fou after 2 Isolde hits where Isolde is being 2HKOed? You see Fou Lu with 4+ PC HP MDurability?
While I like Isolde, I feel the need to remind folks that her first turn comes rather slow.
Slower than Fou Lu?
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Probably yes.
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That does hurt. Although...if she's say 60% turn 1 and uh...unknown after? Let's say 95%, and he's 75%, then she's going to auto triple him with that 1/2 recharge time.
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The recharge time didn't seem nearly that good to me, but oh well. Irrelevant given the form I vote on, so I'll leave that one to others.
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She's probably faster than that after turn 1 and the recharge times really are that good. Though if you're Support Attacking a lot, your attacks shoot off much faster which may skew things (though it's reasonable to take that into account).
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Heavy:
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT) - This...really isn't Rofl's fight.
Ness (EB) vs Billy (XG) - *grumbles*
Middle:
Cid (FF7) vs Guy (FE7) - Yeah, I can see him swapping to a legal KE to chip around limits.
Light:
Tia (Lufia 2) vs Sten (BoF2) - I...need to think about this.
As for ranks: FW P4 bosses, FW Hugo Hewitt(WA4)
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Heavy:
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT) - Rofel is 2HKOed first, and Artea is more likely than not to weather any status Rofel throws at him.
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8) - Speed is really close. I first thought Death would go through, but I'm not sure now. If not, Articuno's got this. Even super effective hits won't do enough damage to keep up with Blizzard.
Middle:
LC Chan (S2) vs Gafgarion (FFT) - Should be able to overtake Night Sword.
Light:
Tia (Lufia 2) vs Sten (BoF2) - Depends on who goes first. Both are really fast, but I think Tia edges out Sten.
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Godlike:
Fou-Lu (BoF4) vs Isolde (MK) - Not sure now.
Lulu (FFX) vs Virgil (XSs) - Stop
Cloud of Darkness (FF3) vs Lambda (WA4) - ^^^
Riou (S2) vs Heat (DDS)
Heavy:
Artea (Lufia 2) vs Rofel (FFT)
Saki (SH2) vs Ike (FE9)
Ness (EB) vs Billy (XG) - Not sure I see EB ID (flash) as being distinct, or at least sufficiently so, from other statuses.
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8) - Death/Reflect/Silence = splat
Middle:
LC Chan (S2) vs Gafgarion (FFT)
Cid (FF7) vs Guy (FE7)
Noa (LoL) vs Roan (G2)
Taro (Dis2) vs Sharon (S3)
Light:
Luke (TotA) vs Mist (FE9)
Chidori (Pers 3) vs Vincent (S2)
Lucied (WAs) vs Karyl (ToD)
Tia (Lufia 2) vs Sten (BoF2)
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Godlike:
Cloud of Darkness (FF3) vs Lambda (WA4) - COD can't OHKO and its buddies do pathetic damage. Not that they matter as Lambda's area attacks kill them quickly anyway.
Heavy:
Saki (SH2) vs Ike (FE9) - Good magic damage > Ike
Articuno (PKMN) vs Edea (FF8) - Death.
Game picks were XF and FE10.