The RPG Duelling League
RPG Debate => Tournaments => Topic started by: Cmdr_King on July 01, 2014, 07:37:58 AM
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Godlike
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X)
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF) vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV)
Heavy
Levin Brenton (Wild ARMs XF) vs Velna (Legaia 2: Duel Saga)
Emelia(SaGa Frontier) vs Mesarthim (SaGa Frontier)
Middle
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)
Light
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross)
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)
Additionally, please suggest games for Data Mining.
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Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X) - 4D Pocket. Alternatively, Agony Effect+Tank Drop should drop Yuna on average (since Belial's quite accurate).
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF) vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV) - This is a very strong kneejerk. Katrina -barely- lands a 2HKO on Rika and eventually she surpasses her speed even post-Saner, and by a significant margin, which means she'll start eating into Rika's resources pretty fast eventually and land a double well before death (especially with the ST spoiling). Rika has a shot (and a pretty good one at that!) if you see Katrina as vulnerable to Illusion, but even though she's vulnerable to stat downs in her own game, I have problems swallowing Rika doing that to a boss given what happens if you try that in PS4. I'm just not sure.
Levin Brenton (Wild ARMs XF) vs Velna (Legaia 2: Duel Saga) - Uh I don't think trying to cancelspam two targets is going to work out too swell here, Levin.
Emelia (SaGa Frontier) vs Mesarthim (SaGa Frontier) - Well, Emelia 2HKOs Mes with Trick Shot (or crit BoundShot+non-crit BoundShot) and is significantly faster to begin with. Mes can try to HideRune, but that meets whatever the name of that awful MT gun skill is (YES). Mes also could go for GlassShield, but Emelia just equips one of those guns with like 30 bullets to prevent untimely low-speed recharges and troll the hell out of it. VitalityRune is pretty damn risky as a bet to avoid a 2HKO due to Emelia's spiky damage (giving her two turns out in the open on average means death for Mes)... so, her best shot is landing Cockatrice. Which probably already isn't turn one on average. Against Emelia's above average status resist. Iunno, guys. I'm not going to be -too- inclined to make judgment calls for the mermaid this week, considering how her win against Cthulhu was already pretty uncertain (even though I -voted- for her and the way I take a few systemic calls gives her an advantage in that particular fight).
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis) - Lives to see a second turn. Blocker is a nice thought, but it ain't enough.
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant) - Uh, HP-1 means Bronzong can't really let Ana see a second turn ever. I think this is kinda sketchy a proposition.
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross) - Probably Irénes. Ilyana getting doubled off that pdur is baaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3) - eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew Draggy offense and poison vulnerability against Melody.
For data mining: Pokémon XY, even if just for number checking (we don't even have a stat topic, so...).
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Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X) - 4D Pocket. Alternatively, Agony Effect+Tank Drop should drop Yuna on average (since Belial's quite accurate).
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF) vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV)
Levin Brenton (Wild ARMs XF) vs Velna (Legaia 2: Duel Saga) - Uh I don't think trying to cancelspam two targets is going to work out too swell here, Levin.
Emelia (SaGa Frontier) vs Mesarthim (SaGa Frontier) - Well, Emelia 2HKOs Mes with Trick Shot (or crit BoundShot+non-crit BoundShot) and is significantly faster to begin with. Mes can try to HideRune, but that meets whatever the name of that awful MT gun skill is (YES). Mes also could go for GlassShield, but Emelia just equips one of those guns with like 30 bullets to prevent untimely low-speed recharges and troll the hell out of it. VitalityRune is pretty damn risky as a bet to avoid a 2HKO due to Emelia's spiky damage (giving her two turns out in the open on average means death for Mes)... so, her best shot is landing Cockatrice. Which probably already isn't turn one on average. Against Emelia's above average status resist. Iunno, guys. I'm not going to be -too- inclined to make judgment calls for the mermaid this week, considering how her win against Cthulhu was already pretty uncertain (even though I -voted- for her and the way I take a few systemic calls gives her an advantage in that particular fight).
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross) -
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3) - eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew Draggy offense and poison vulnerability against Melody.
Looks right. Data mine: BD.
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Godlike
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X) - Yeah even without 4D Pocket this really isn't Yuna's fight.
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF) vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV) - Yeah I have my doubts about this one but balance of interps favors fearburger.
Heavy
Emelia(SaGa Frontier) vs Mesarthim (SaGa Frontier) - See Snow, really.
Middle
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis) - The usual MK getting multiple turns.
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant) - The usual Ana getting to doing things to people.
Light
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross) - Ilyana9 likely dies horribly, 10... may have a shot? Nah probably not, she still gets effectively two-rounded and goes second.
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3) - CC against the distortion, that'll work.
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Godlike
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X) - Belial is the hero Godlike deserves.
Middle
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant) And yet another euthanized.
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Godlike
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X)
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF) vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV)
Heavy
Levin Brenton (Wild ARMs XF) vs Velna (Legaia 2: Duel Saga)
Middle
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)
Light
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross)- Too bad a cool mage like Serra isn't here instead.
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)
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Godlike
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X)
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF) vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV)
Heavy
Levin Brenton (Wild ARMs XF) vs Velna (Legaia 2: Duel Saga)
Emelia(SaGa Frontier) vs Mesarthim (SaGa Frontier)
Middle
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)
Light
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross)
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)
All really straightforward matches this week.
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Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X): Straightforward.
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF) vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV): She 2HKOs, so Rika's only hope for victory requires Illusion... but there are a lot of problems there. (1) Illusion doesn't work on bosses in its home game. (2) PS4 debuffs are overwritten by buffs, and Katrina buffs her speed constantly. And hell towards the end of the fight, Illusion may not be enough anyway.
Heavy
Levin Brenton (Wild ARMs XF) vs Velna (Legaia 2: Duel Saga): Yep.
Emelia(SaGa Frontier) vs Mesarthim (SaGa Frontier): I think Snow outlines this pretty well.
Middle
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis): Break Sword rides again.
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant): Status hell, version faster.
Light
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross): Actually very close, as Ilyana hits a slight weakness with forged Fire and allllmost 2HKOs. Just misses, though, so Irenes can double then win on her second turn.
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3): Draggy needs 4 turns to win this, and is short of a 4-3, and can't block poison.
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Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X) - Not really a fan of the speed hype the stat topic gives Belial (certainly doesn't pan out that well in-game!) and she needs to insta-double a pretty fast character to win. That said I never pinned down any consistent numbers myself so meh.
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross) I'll trust Elf's claim.
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)
Data mining: Since nobody else is proposing anything... in the "never ever going to get ranked but kinda interesting to know playership numbers for how evil it is to nominate for Futurama" category...
Sands of Destruction
Luminous Arc
Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core
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Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X) - Not really a fan of the speed hype the stat topic gives Belial (certainly doesn't pan out that well in-game!) and she needs to insta-double a pretty fast character to win. That said I never pinned down any consistent numbers myself so meh.
This is generally because nobody in their sane mind ever lets her stick around all day without Slow Down slapped on her neck. Look at the turn gauge as soon as the fight begins, she trades turns with -the party-. The best that can happen is her not instantly doubling Jude at the start (by the numbers, she's on the borderline of doubling him. Off my memories on the turn gauge, she constantly 3-2s him at worst. Oh, and Jude is -considerably- faster than Yuna, especially turn one - 138% against 119% average). Doubling Arnaud instantly is almost a given (I've had that happen to me! That cost me a reset once). Double-penalizing bosses for facing debuffs is about as egregious to me as double-factoring elemental weakness into boss durability.
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Godlike
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X) - I don't really think I allow 4D Pocket, but I'm not sure it matters? Well, I guess it does because if Yuna can summon the Magus Sisters Belial is probably fucked.
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF) vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV) - No vote, but hopefully Katrina beats Belial!
Heavy
Levin Brenton (Wild ARMs XF) vs Velna (Legaia 2: Duel Saga)
Emelia(SaGa Frontier) vs Mesarthim (SaGa Frontier) - Wedding Dress Hype
Middle
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant) - Middle Champ imo
Light
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross)
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)
Additionally, please suggest games for Data Mining.
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Godlike
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X)
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF) vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV)
Heavy
Levin Brenton (Wild ARMs XF) vs Velna (Legaia 2: Duel Saga)- In theory I guess Levin could manage (has magic, as a kneejerk I suspect Cancel Strike's secondary effect would still kick in?) but that's a lot of completely tying down his opponents with no margin for error.
Emelia(SaGa Frontier) vs Mesarthim (SaGa Frontier)
Middle
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)
Light
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross)
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)
Data Mine
Final Fantasy Dimensions
Romancing SaGa
Child of Light
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In fairness, Belial probably isn't as fast turn 1 (well, she may be. Scythe certainly isn't!).
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Scythe is hurt by having that weird PC initiative thing where Jude always gets the first turn. It's not -terribly- relevant in-game (since that first turn's often being used to smash furniture and open way to Scythe), but it's horrible for him in the DL.
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Godlike
Belial (Wild ARMs 4) vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X) - So...realizing that, under my uniqueness clause, first-strike staves are unique to Yuna, she gets one. Now, do I see Aeons immune to 4D pocket or not? Probably not, since they can be banished in-game. Mmmm...probably giving it to Belial, since she'll get in a EXA at some point...although I suppose it would be funny to see half her Aeon...wait, Magus Sisters. Nevermind.
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF) vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV) - Rika can't break the shield
Heavy
Levin Brenton (Wild ARMs XF) vs Velna (Legaia 2: Duel Saga) - Boss
Emelia(SaGa Frontier) vs Mesarthim (SaGa Frontier) - Uh...boss?
Middle
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V) vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis) - I...mmm...Aroma material actually probably isn't enough?
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant) - Sings, and summons the might of Christopher Lloyd.
Light
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross)
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)
Data Mining: Sword of Vermillion, Last Scenario, Diablo 2, Exit Fate
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Godlike
Belial (Wild ARMs 4)- iiiiiiii vs Yuna (Final Fantasy X)- i
Katrina Liane Elesius (Wild ARMs XF)- iiiiiii vs Rika (Phantasy Star IV)
Heavy
Levin Brenton (Wild ARMs XF) vs Velna (Legaia 2: Duel Saga)- iiiiiiii
Emelia(SaGa Frontier)- iiiiiiiii vs Mesarthim (SaGa Frontier)
Middle
Mystic Knight (Final Fantasy V)- iiiiiiii vs Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)- i
Bronzong (Pokémon) vs Anastasia Romanov (Shadow Hearts: Covenant)- iiiiiiiiii
Light
Ilyana (Fire Emblem Series) vs Irenes (Chrono Cross)- iiiiiiiii
Draggy (Chrono Cross) vs Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)- iiiiiiiii
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Late of course, but... The entire party gets first strike against Scythe (though he also gets a RFX UP status which ensures he gets like four turns in a row after that... I ignored both of these facts when I made the stat topic at the time though likely wouldn't now? Wooo interpretations of the DL shifting to be more and more literal). This is not true of Belial whose speed is entirely literal (she'll doubleturn Arnaud immediately in virtually any party*, and Jude is possible depending on his level/class level.
I don't think it makes much sense to punish Belial's speed over the first two turns when Arnaud can't even influence those in-game...