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Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« on: May 29, 2015, 02:10:09 AM »
Godlike:

Uryu (MK2) vs Kanji's Shadow (Pers4),
Conjurer (BD) vs Wraith (VP1)
Orlouge (Saga) vs Tir Mcdohl (Suikos)
Elc (AtL2) vs Cid Raines (FF13)

High Heavy:

KOS-MOS (XSs) vs Arc (AtL2)
Hugo (S3) vs Wakka (FFX)
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
White Fiend (Lunar:EBC) vs Dehuai (SH1)

Low Heavy:

Etward Dysler (MK2) vs Momo (BoF3)
Tiki (FE13) vs Pamela Ibis (MK1)
Heinkel (BD) vs Red Mage (FF3)   
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Sasarai (S3)

Middle:

Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Jeane (Suikos)
Fred Maximillian (S3) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Palom (FF4) vs Hojo (FF7)
Kellam (FE13)  vs Bart Fatima (XG)

:-*:

Kelvena (XG) vs Yumei (VP1)
Lorenta (VP1) vs Mojo (CC)
Allen Ridgley (XS3) vs Tony (XF)
Maribelle (FE13) vs Jelanda Artolia (VP1)
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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2015, 02:33:07 AM »
Godlike:

Uryu (MK2) vs Kanji's Shadow (Pers4) - Okay going off raw numbers Shadow Kanji is 2.5 PCHP under my scaling, reduces damage by 25% one way or another (dunno how much I respect that part tbh, support credit for the cho anikis though?) and can do just under 0.77 with Power Charge -> Fatal End (so roughly a 5HKO every other turn to the fluffball), Swift Strike for the inevitable Conviction Gate spam deals... either 0.15 or 0.3... which isn't enough to OHKO the gates of the princely 0.337 pdur, at least they're ass slow so it's not that huge a deal, but still, pathetic.  Fanatical Spark does OHKO the gates without help once he gets there, but fluffy can just set to absorb lightning so this doesn't really help all that much.  Even then though fluffball is just free to nail him with Glowing Spear every turn while Shadow Kanji can only deal real damage here every other, so this is kind of a different tier.
Conjurer (BD) vs Wraith (VP1) - Can take a turn of Wraith offense.  Not really sure Wraith can take a turn of space rocks.
Orlouge (Saga) vs Tir Mcdohl (Suikos)

High Heavy:

KOS-MOS (XSs) vs Arc (AtL2) - Sure.
Hugo (S3) vs Wakka (FFX)  - Welp
White Fiend (Lunar:EBC) vs Dehuai (SH1) - Yeah White Fiend has this even if you take the PC count disparity into account, which I do not.

Low Heavy:

Etward Dysler (MK2) vs Momo (BoF3) - Probably
Tiki (FE13) vs Pamela Ibis (MK1) - Ehn.  Temptation to punt that worthless-ingame physical immunity skill against dragonstones here is strong but meh.
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Sasarai (S3) - taste umbrella imo

Middle:

Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Jeane (Suikos) - Yep.
Fred Maximillian (S3) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9) - Likely
Palom (FF4) vs Hojo (FF7) - Well FF4o Palom probably loses this at any rate.
Kellam (FE13) vs Bart Fatima (XG) - Surely

O Fortuna:

Kelvena (XG) vs Yumei (VP1) - Yeah even if I were at all inclined to see STONE TORCH bypassing the absorption bullshit that ain't outslugging.
Lorenta (VP1) vs Mojo (CC) - no
Maribelle (FE13) vs Jelanda Artolia (VP1) - yep
« Last Edit: May 29, 2015, 04:50:50 PM by Random Consonant »

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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2015, 03:04:49 AM »
Conjurer (BD) vs Wraith (VP1)
I dunno, I'm a fan of spoiler tags but I dun see this one as a spoiler at all.  Anyway...  I don't remember Wraith very well or if he can eat 2x PCHP overkill himself, so Elf??

Hugo (S3) vs Wakka (FFX)
Sleep -> nonsense presumably.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
Depends on how SO2 elemental resistance interacts with itself, as Claude needs to both halve fire (not die to Magic Burst) & double fire (not die to Kasnooze) at the same time.
EDIT: Eh, kneejerking Jess.
White Fiend (Lunar:EBC) vs Dehuai (SH1)
Dehuai is ~2.5 PCHP, White Fiend is ~2 PCHP, but WF has better damage and 4HKOs to Dehuai's (faster) 6HKO.  Close.
EDIT: Changed my mind, I underrated Dehuai's HP before and WF's need to buff.

Low Heavy:

Heinkel (BD) vs Red Mage (FF3)   
Blarg, endgame FF3 class you would never use, wut.  Um...  even hitting weakness, RM might run out of MP, and I'm not sure where the super-defense hype is coming from (maybe the email equips I'd assume to be super-illegal myself?), and not sure Heinkel can't threaten a heal lock even with the super defense hype, 2x Stomp is a thing.
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Sasarai (S3)
E-Crest Reflect owns here I presume?  Unless Sas has a faster, decisive spell...

Middle:

Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Jeane (Suikos)
If she doesn't OHKO, Luna's healing isn't full and her sleep chance is halved, so yeah.
Fred Maximillian (S3) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Thunderless build doesn't heal-lock.
Palom (FF4) vs Hojo (FF7)
No.  Palom's durability is too horrible even for this, and he doesn't block Sleep.
Kellam (FE13)  vs Bart Fatima (XG)
COBRA CRACKA poizn if nothing else.  Unless his evade game was worse than I think.

:-*:

Kelvena (XG) vs Yumei (VP1)
Yumei literally cannot do damage if I read the stat topic correctly.  (also it's under "Kelvana" for confused people CTRL-Fing it up.)
Lorenta (VP1) vs Mojo (CC)
Allen Ridgley (XS3) vs Tony (XF)
Maribelle (FE13) vs Jelanda Artolia (VP1)
Mari is a genuine magic spoiler so this is a really really crushing win for her.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2015, 07:46:11 PM by SnowFire »

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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2015, 03:04:55 AM »
Godlike:

Uryu (MK2) vs Kanji's Shadow (Pers4) - I think Heat Riser tips things enough unless Uryu has a dispel move?
Conjurer (BD) vs Wraith (VP1)
Orlouge (Saga) vs Tir Mcdohl (Suikos) - uhhh
Elc (AtL2) vs Cid Raines (FF13) - Cid can just wait out Invincible with his Healer mode, I'd think? And yeah a big fat "no" to Divide hype against bosses.

High Heavy:

KOS-MOS (XSs) vs Arc (AtL2)
Hugo (S3) vs Wakka (FFX)
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
White Fiend (Lunar:EBC) vs Dehuai (SH1)

Low Heavy:

Etward Dysler (MK2) vs Momo (BoF3)
Tiki (FE13) vs Pamela Ibis (MK1)
Heinkel (BD) vs Red Mage (FF3)   
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Sasarai (S3) - Does Sasarai win a physical war with Silent Lake? I think he does, since Lilka's damage is so horrible...

Middle:

Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Jeane (Suikos)
Fred Maximillian (S3) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Palom (FF4) vs Hojo (FF7)
Kellam (FE13)  vs Bart Fatima (XG)

:-*:

Kelvena (XG) vs Yumei (VP1)
Lorenta (VP1) vs Mojo (CC)
Allen Ridgley (XS3) vs Tony (XF)
Maribelle (FE13) vs Jelanda Artolia (VP1)
« Last Edit: May 29, 2015, 03:46:03 AM by Nephrite »

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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2015, 03:29:05 AM »
Uryu (MK2) vs Kanji's Shadow (Pers4),
Conjurer (BD) vs Wraith (VP1): Meh. Fewer restrictions on the overkill.
Orlouge (Saga) vs Tir Mcdohl (Suikos): Should nail him with status.
Elc (AtL2) vs Cid Raines (FF13): Divide, I guess...

High Heavy:

KOS-MOS (XSs) vs Arc (AtL2)
Hugo (S3) vs Wakka (FFX): Wind of Sleep is faster!
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Claude Kenni (SO2): I think her speed clinches it.
White Fiend (Lunar:EBC) vs Dehuai (SH1): More damage?

Low Heavy:

Etward Dysler (MK2) vs Momo (BoF3): Momo's durability is really really bad. Et should handle that quickly enough.
Tiki (FE13) vs Pamela Ibis (MK1): Physical immunity vs. only physicals...
Heinkel (BD) vs Red Mage (FF3)   
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Sasarai (S3): Reflect (E-Crest gives it turn 1), eat donuts.

Middle:

Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Jeane (Suikos): I don't think she's OHKOd?
Fred Maximillian (S3) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9): Status and healing...
Palom (FF4) vs Hojo (FF7): Palom's got bad speed.... uh...
Kellam (FE13)  vs Bart Fatima (XG)

:-*:

Kelvena (XG) vs Yumei (VP1)
Lorenta (VP1) vs Mojo (CC)
Allen Ridgley (XS3) vs Tony (XF)
Maribelle (FE13) vs Jelanda Artolia (VP1)

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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2015, 04:18:56 AM »
Elc (AtL2) vs Cid Raines (FF13) - Cid can just wait out Invincible with his Healer mode, I'd think? And yeah a big fat "no" to Divide hype against bosses.

Why would the move that is literally the best boss slayer against super duper durable bosses in game not get that hype in the DL? This is exactly the type of fight where Divide looks the most impressive in game.
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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2015, 02:29:10 PM »
Uryu (MK2) vs Kanji's Shadow (Pers4) - Honestly baffled by the Kanji votes. His battle format doesn't translate... like... at all for DL High Godlike. The support reliance is a thing. Not that it terribly matters, both are pretty much bait to Conjurer next week, methinks.
Conjurer (BD) vs Wraith (VP1) - I'd be very shocked if Wraith lived through a single turn of Conjurer's obscene offense.
Orlouge (Saga) vs Tir McDohl (Suikos) - DL Orlouge is a hilarious headache. I kinda wish I had a read on his effective defense stats (Laggy's topic has them listed, but I can't figure out if they're good or bad without enemy averages), since Tir 2HKOs Orlouge off raw HP to me and is faster than even Mistress 3. Of course, he can't dodge Orlouge's phase 2 for his life, which spells really bad news given how I allow Orlouge to select his portraits (much like I allow Magus to select his elemental barrier). And Laggy sez his defenses are actually pretty solid! Which yeah, should lower Judgment's 2HKO to a 3HKO. And Orlouge 3HKOs at base with Tornado... so uh yeah, I think he pulls this off, the offense once the multiacting kicks in gets pretty ugly.
Elc (AtL2) vs Cid Raines (FF13) - I have -no- idea how Gravity interacts with FF13 bosses, but I'm not exactly sure how can Elc really deal with Defensive Shift spamming: Divide certainly doesn't bypass defenses and I'd see its minimum damage as affected by it at the very least (not that it's -any good-, it's one-third average or something). Divide's -very nature- also means he has no real way of bypassing Seraphic Shift (Elc damage being kinda crap at base and Charge buffing being met by Defensive Shift spamming sorta seal it pretty shut), which also cripples Invincible spamming. I just don't know, stalling -really- isn't how you beat Cid and that's the core of Elc's game. Elc needs to prance around so much to make any damage ever stick that he might well just eat it to DOOM.

KOS-MOS (XSs) vs Arc Eda Ricolne(AtL2) - Faster, I believe.
Hugo (S3) vs Wakka (FFX) - Doubt I allow the universal sleep resistance blocker, which puts this clearly into Hugo's court.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Claude Kenni (SO2) - Well, Claude halves fire but doesn't OHKO. Jessica is faster, sooooooooooooo, Tension => Magic Burst actually scrapes the OHKO through resistance under the no-Dragon Soul/Gigagash average, which I take for myself. Yeah.
White Fiend (Lunar:EBC) vs Dehuai (SH1) - No memory of EBO White Fiend. Abstain.

Etward Dysler (MK2) vs Momo (BoF3) - Momo status being turn two means she can't stop Et from getting two turns on average - particularly, Et getting a turn with Support Chakram up is ten kinds of fatal here. Et can't one-round Momo without lucking out on Twinkle Moon, but she doesn't really -have- to.
Tiki (FE13) vs Pamela Ibis (MK1) - Engage autobattle strats.
Argent Heinkel (BD) vs Red Mage (FF3) - Red Mage's tankiness comes from equipping Red Mage with two shields, Snowfire - which is how you actually use him in-game past the early going, since his offense is so anemic. This said, I -suppose- he's got the durability to live through this even with the anemic offense - hitting that weakness kinda helps out... a bit. But the fight really -does- strain Red Mage's resources, and it also depends on -how- effective his pdef is. Calcing it out and leaving most of his healing levels intact (except L1, since Cure healing is just too pathetic)... Red Mage -can- kill Heinkel with his MP charges, but I need -some- reading on Red Mage's effective durability to figure out whether the -healing- holds out long enough or not.
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Sasarai (S3) - Reflect. Silent Lake off Sasarai physicals don't really slug past anything ever. Even WA2 mage physicals.

Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Jeane (Suikos) - If Warlock mdef is enough to reduce sleep to turn two, Jeane mdef oughta be as well, for a tiebreak.
Fred Maximillian (S3) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9) - Missing a heal-lock on Vivi without Sword of Magic, Fred? Sheesh.
Palom (FF4) vs Hojo (FF7) - Dear lord.
Kellam (FE13)  vs Bartholomew Fatima (XG) - Wild Smile and Cologne.

Kelvena (XG) vs Yumei (VP1) - I don't think Yumei can outpace Kelvena with fucking STONE TORCH.
Lorenta (VP1) vs Mojo (CC) - Ew.
Allen Ridgeley (XS3) vs Tony (XF) - I HOPE.
Maribelle (FE13) vs Jelanda Artolia (VP1) - Yeah, 4HKOing Maribelle can do against Jelanda.
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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2015, 03:32:45 PM »
Re Orlouge, Unlike most other things to do with Saga mechanics, the defences are something we know how they work exactly, so I can calc those out if need be.

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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2015, 05:23:37 PM »
That'd be pretty aces to do.
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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2015, 09:49:44 PM »
Godlike:

Uryu (MK2) vs Kanji's Shadow (Pers4)- I will second the bafflement here. Both Kanji and Uryu need a charge up turn for the big damage, but Uryu's is slightly better and is MT (so bye to the support quickly). Uryu probably had the durability edge as well thanks to halving damage. Uryu is also faster. Uryu also has better non charging damage (and while Kanji needs to charge to get better long run damage, Uryu is better not charging). I don't really see Kanji having any real edge here.
Conjurer (BD) vs Wraith (VP1)
Elc (AtL2) vs Cid Raines (FF13)- Uh...Cid is a headache, but one that I generally find I don't respect since it's not that hard to completely avoid the nasty part in game. But worth noting:

--Defensive Stance: No credit for this. This is basically Cid doing nothing forever and counting on Doom kicking in. Guess what, with 30-50 PC HP under this stance, it gives him way, way, way too much credit. It also better cut stagger damage 90%. If it doesn't, then this is a great way for him to lose in game as he wants to get to the evil HP point as you will never die above it
--Defensive Stance Part 2: So it seems like we agree that people should be able to bust through the evil stage if they have a lot of damage...but...if you allow Defensive Stance, then even Zophar can't do it one hit at the higher HP respect. Yes, 30 PC HP damage or something, and it's not enough.
--Divide: Works on far nastier tank bosses than Cid (Hi Dark One). If you don't immune it for a specific reason, I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Basically I see this happening: Elc opens with cutting off 27% of Cid's life. He then uses his physical to chip slowly down to 60%. When he's near, he casts Might Mind, uses Divide, and cuts Cid down to about 30% of his HP. At this point, Cid's options are:

--Seraphic Ray: about 5HKO damage
--Attack/KnockDown: about 3HKO damage, triggers Counters
--Turn 3 Deprotect/Shell
--Turn 4 Daze

Now, if you don't see Seraphic Ray's dispel dispelling Invincible, then this is super clear cut. Regardless for me, unless there is proof otherwise, I see Invincible as trumping Dispel, so that makes it easy. If not, it depends on where you see Cid's HP to some degree.

High Heavy:

KOS-MOS (XSs) vs Arc (AtL2)
Hugo (S3) vs Wakka (FFX)
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)- Claude OHKOs if you factor in recharge times, so that makes it easy. Sleep...apparentally is not good in DQs? Am I mixing up DQs? I know it's better on bosses that can double act.
White Fiend (Lunar:EBC) vs Dehuai (SH1)- Um...White Fiend does have more damage...but...holy crap, the durability split is huge. White Fiend basically has about 2 PC HP. Dehaui has 4000 HP where your PCs do 115 average damage (and both topics for SH 1 are pretty similar on damages). That's 4.6 PC HP. White Fiend has about 50% damage. Even if you say that Dehaui can only always just use 1 part of his physical, his best damage still does 32% damage. A 50% damage edge is not overcoming that durability edge.

Low Heavy:

Etward Dysler (MK2) vs Momo (BoF3)
Tiki (FE13) vs Pamela Ibis (MK1)
Heinkel (BD) vs Red Mage (FF3)   
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Sasarai (S3)

Middle:

Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Jeane (Suikos)
Fred Maximillian (S3) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Palom (FF4) vs Hojo (FF7)- Eh...this probably comes down to back row versus front row. For Palom's sake here, makes sense to at least hold in some back row.
Kellam (FE13)  vs Bart Fatima (XG)

:-*:

Kelvena (XG) vs Yumei (VP1)
Lorenta (VP1) vs Mojo (CC)
Allen Ridgley (XS3) vs Tony (XF)
Maribelle (FE13) vs Jelanda Artolia (VP1)
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2015, 09:55:55 PM »
Godlike:

Uryu (MK2) vs Kanji's Shadow (Pers4)- I will second the bafflement here. Both Kanji and Uryu need a charge up turn for the big damage, but Uryu's is slightly better and is MT (so bye to the support quickly). Uryu probably had the durability edge as well thanks to halving damage. Uryu is also faster. Uryu also has better non charging damage (and while Kanji needs to charge to get better long run damage, Uryu is better not charging). I don't really see Kanji having any real edge here.
Orlouge (Saga) vs Tir Mcdohl (Suikos)- 2HKOs I'd think.
Elc (AtL2) vs Cid Raines (FF13)- Uh...Cid is a headache, but one that I generally find I don't respect since it's not that hard to completely avoid the nasty part in game. But worth noting:

--Defensive Stance: No credit for this. This is basically Cid doing nothing forever and counting on Doom kicking in. Guess what, with 30-50 PC HP under this stance, it gives him way, way, way too much credit. It also better cut stagger damage 90%. If it doesn't, then this is a great way for him to lose in game as he wants to get to the evil HP point as you will never die above it
--Defensive Stance Part 2: So it seems like we agree that people should be able to bust through the evil stage if they have a lot of damage...but...if you allow Defensive Stance, then even Zophar can't do it one hit at the higher HP respect. Yes, 30 PC HP damage or something, and it's not enough.
--Divide: Works on far nastier tank bosses than Cid (Hi Dark One). If you don't immune it for a specific reason, I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Basically I see this happening: Elc opens with cutting off 27% of Cid's life. He then uses his physical to chip slowly down to 60%. When he's near, he casts Might Mind, uses Divide, and cuts Cid down to about 30% of his HP. At this point, Cid's options are:

--Seraphic Ray: about 5HKO damage
--Attack/KnockDown: about 3HKO damage, triggers Counters
--Turn 3 Deprotect/Shell
--Turn 4 Daze

Now, if you don't see Seraphic Ray's dispel dispelling Invincible, then this is super clear cut. Regardless for me, unless there is proof otherwise, I see Invincible as trumping Dispel, so that makes it easy. If not, it depends on where you see Cid's HP to some degree.

High Heavy:

KOS-MOS (XSs) vs Arc (AtL2)
Hugo (S3) vs Wakka (FFX)- I think this is closer than it is being given credit for, but eh. I'll stick with the  Hugo vote, though m yfirst kneejerk was Wakka.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)- Claude OHKOs if you factor in recharge times, so that makes it easy. Sleep...apparentally is not good in DQs? Am I mixing up DQs? I know it's better on bosses that can double act.
White Fiend (Lunar:EBC) vs Dehuai (SH1)- Um...White Fiend does have more damage...but...holy crap, the durability split is huge. White Fiend basically has about 2 PC HP. Dehaui has 4000 HP where your PCs do 115 average damage (and both topics for SH 1 are pretty similar on damages). That's 4.6 PC HP. White Fiend has about 50% damage. Even if you say that Dehaui can only always just use 1 part of his physical, his best damage still does 32% damage. A 50% damage edge is not overcoming that durability edge.

Low Heavy:

Etward Dysler (MK2) vs Momo (BoF3)
Tiki (FE13) vs Pamela Ibis (MK1)
Heinkel (BD) vs Red Mage (FF3)   
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Sasarai (S3)

Middle:

Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Jeane (Suikos)
Fred Maximillian (S3) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Palom (FF4) vs Hojo (FF7)- Eh...this probably comes down to back row versus front row. For Palom's sake here, makes sense to at least hold in some back row.
Kellam (FE13)  vs Bart Fatima (XG)

:-*:

Kelvena (XG) vs Yumei (VP1)
Lorenta (VP1) vs Mojo (CC)
Allen Ridgley (XS3) vs Tony (XF)
Maribelle (FE13) vs Jelanda Artolia (VP1)

Agree with everything in this vote.
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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2015, 12:44:57 AM »
To chat a bit more about Hojo vs. Palom: Even if you normally consider front row for FF7 bosses, you definitely shouldn't for other FF characters who use the back row in-game (e.g. most FF6 characters, Palom).  So yeah, Hojo's damage really stinks.  But still, even as Palom OHKOs both first forms...  his final form is faster than average, Palom is slower than average.  Palom really needs to OHKO Hojo which I think he barely misses from the Advance stat topic...  although FF4o Palom might manage it?  (What I'd prefer to vote, myself, but requires guesstimating from the Kainazzo stats...)  So even with back row, Palom probably gets 1 chance while not sleeped to OHKO, he surely isn't surviving long enough to have 2 unslept turns.  Inclined to not see the OHKO since the one set of stats we do have doesn't quite allow it to me, but could be convinced otherwise.  Early Paladin Cecil & Porom's damage really do stink, although I guess there's Dancing Dagger hype.

Dhyer: Hmm, maybe I did peg Dehuai's HP a little too low, but reminder that White Fiend's damage gets better after turn 1 thanks to field-changing hype.  And Dehuai's initiative is weird now that I look again, so even if WF only 6HKOs, WF might still 6HKO first, he's got an attack that "goes after Jean" which isn't bad on speed.

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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2015, 02:51:55 AM »
Yeah, I have no idea what effect changing the field may have, but it would still be pretty significant to make WF 6HKO (Remember, not only does Dehaui have like 4.5 PC HP, but he also has decent magic defense. On HP alone, the base damage is 9-10HKO, but Dehaui's Mdef would push that out even further). So the field change needs to be potent.
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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2015, 07:07:19 PM »
Please don't call Yulyana "Conjurer", there is already another Bravely Default dueller named that. Come up with another spoiler name if you must. Also he isn't a spoiler. C'mon.


Yulyana (BD) vs Wraith (VP1): Both one-round each other, Wraith is faster.
Orlouge (Saga) vs Tir Mcdohl (Suikos): Yeah no way is Tir dodging 80% of Orlouge's HP (I don't think he even 2HKOs to me), so Selection claims a victim.

High Heavy:

Hugo (S3) vs Wakka (FFX): I'd allow Wakka some sleep resistance, but his MDef sucks so Funeral Wind surely works, and Hugo immunes sleep+silence with Yellow Scarf. I guess if I see Osmose taking that one charge of Funeral Wind Wakka can go for that? But these days my respect for MP busts that don't stop enemies from casting spells is lower, probably enough to cost him that judgement call at least.
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Claude Kenni (SO2): 90% damage for Claude with some recharge time attached? Yeah, I can buy that.
White Fiend (Lunar:EBC) vs Dehuai (SH1): Long fight, so White Fiend wants to buff, then Frost Breath, then spam Crystal Stasis. Assuming a 20% loss in buff effectiveness each turn, this will do 100 + 183 + 173 + 166 + 160 + 155, which should be enough (4.3 PCHP, might need an extra hit for Dhyerviews). So he needs 7 turns, and most of those turns are "goes after Jean" so he should have little trouble getting those seven before Dehuai's seventh, and six is possible. We don't really know how good Dehuai's physical damage is, but he's missing the 6HKO even if the FAQ is right about 75+37 (and that sounds high to me, note that the Petrify physical only does 50).

Low Heavy:

Etward Dysler (MK2) vs Momo (BoF3): Probably.
Tiki (FE13) vs Pamela Ibis (MK1): I can see an argument for Tiki hitting Pamela just fine, but Pamela probably wins with stalling and status regardless.
Heinkel (BD) vs Red Mage (FF3): I really doubt Red Mage has the resources for this. And Heinkel can heal-lock very well at lower HPs.
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Sasarai (S3): Sure Reflect.

Middle:

Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Jeane (Suikos): Unless Luna can literally sleep-lock the entire fight, which seems unlikely. Jeane just needs one shot.
Fred Maximillian (S3) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Palom (FF4) vs Hojo (FF7)
Kellam (FE13) vs Bart Fatima (XG): Yeah the evade stuff.

:-*:

Kelvena (XG) vs Yumei (VP1): Yumei can only deal damage with the bird, Kelvena's healing trumps that. Haha.
Lorenta (VP1) vs Mojo (CC): Can back-end damage well enough to get around healing.
Allen Ridgley (XS3) vs Tony (XF): -_-
Maribelle (FE13) vs Jelanda Artolia (VP1): I think this is somewhat closer than some people are giving credit, since Maribelle has a mediocre 4HKO and if she doesn't outpace the healing she loses (eventually)... but yeah the damage is probably just good enough.
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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2015, 06:24:11 AM »
Godlike:

Uryu (MK2) vs Kanji's Shadow (Pers4)
Yulyana (BD) vs Wraith (VP1)
Orlouge (Saga) vs Tir Mcdohl (Suikos)
Elc (AtL2) vs Cid Raines (FF13)

High Heavy:

KOS-MOS (XSs) vs Arc (AtL2)
Hugo (S3) vs Wakka (FFX)
Jessica Albert (DQ8) vs Claude Kenni (SO2)
White Fiend (Lunar:EBC) vs Dehuai (SH1)

Low Heavy:

Etward Dysler (MK2) vs Momo (BoF3)
Tiki (FE13) vs Pamela Ibis (MK1)
Heinkel (BD) vs Red Mage (FF3)   
Lilka Eleniak (WA2) vs Sasarai (S3)

Middle:

Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Jeane (Suikos)
Fred Maximillian (S3) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Palom (FF4) vs Hojo (FF7)
Kellam (FE13) vs Bart Fatima (XG)

:-*

Kelvena (XG) vs Yumei (VP1)
Lorenta (VP1) vb Mojo (CC)
Allen Ridgley (XS3) vs Tony (XF)
Maribelle (FE13) vs Jelanda Artolia (VP1)
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Re: Shift Tournament 2: Week 1
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2015, 07:42:03 AM »
Changed my vote on Dehuai vs. White Fiend.  I think I overrated WF's damage when it doesn't spend a turn to buff, and I don't think WF can afford spending another turn on buffing.