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Forum Games / Re: VtM:M - Vampire the Masquerade Mafia

« on: February 06, 2008, 02:05:25 AM »

Lady Door, there is PLENTY of logic behind my decision. As everyone has no-doubt noticed, the game has been propelled into serious mode from the get-go, which was part of my intention. My power needs to be used and using it in this fashion is very pro-town. I could have randomly died tonight and not have had a chance to exercise it. Discussion has been propelled in meaningful directions. I believe having two lynches that are dicussed over a relatively short time period and yet do indeed have real and useful information in them is going to be of more benefit to town than one day 1 lynch of complete randomness.

I didn't question your logic. I fully believe an early reveal can be positive. My concern, and what I actually said, is over how it's used. It is great that you are giving us the power to decide who gets lynched during the day. My argument is against your power, not you, and it's more that I worry about speculation driving 2 lynches when Day 1 typically ends poorly for town. I'm not suggesting that we don't take advantage of it, I'm just suggesting that we be CAREFUL about doing so, since 2 lynches + whatever happens at night could VERY quickly degrade into bad juju for us.

It's why I segued into censure of Sir Alex and his very, very strong argument against the concept of requesting an extension. He seemed to be willfully avoiding the fact that this is NOT a typical day 1 and we DO have a fair amount of information to go off of so it's not fair to start off throwing away this chance to make a meaningful pair of lynches just because Day 1 got shorted 24 hours due to the normal flow of Day 1 action. I know, Shale, that Day 1 has no real information -- at least not information levels on par with Day 2 and beyond -- and that dayvig is our only way to get information this early, but that doesn't mean it makes sense to push for the quickest possible lynch in hopes of getting something out of it. Someone mentioned before that more talk time/debate time is good, and while I can see how it can be bad, on this Day 1 I can only see it as a way to pull for information.

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Forum Games / Re: VtM:M - Vampire the Masquerade Mafia

« on: February 06, 2008, 12:45:52 AM »

##UNVOTE QuietRain Since, y'know, jokevote phase is long since over.

...

On Lady Door's concerns: Yeah, they're quite serious. But if you think only a portion of people would decide the lynch with their arguments, it still leaves others plenty of time to pitch in for the real lynch at the very least. In fact, the full day would be longer if we extend it to get enough debating done for our two lynches per day. We won't be starting it all entirely from scratch after our Prince kills the first target, after all.

True enough. My concerns over the dayvig relate primarily to how they unfold during this initial phase. It seems like it would be only too easy for Day 1 (the day which, traditionally, holds little in the way of content) to turn into a massacre against us what with dayvig and the lynch and the night. After whatever happens, happens, we can pick up the info and move on from there, surely. Until then? It's worth considering that this day, the one so commonly discarded as a day of joke votes, could be the most decisive for us.

...

I was going to comment on the whole El Cid/Alex and smodge calling him out thing, but more discussion happened while I was tending to the chickens. So! Analyzing the argument. Alex's press worried me, especially since he keeps saying the same thing. Yes, we get it, more time often leads to procrastination, dragging it to the deadline, et cetera. However, I note that Excal, Shale, Corwin, QuietRain, Ciato, myself and (sort of) Otter, in addition to El Cideon, all commented on the merits of using an extension in this particular case, on this particular day 1 to take account for the time zones/short day one/dayvig problem.

I can see the problems that develop later if this becomes a habit, but your insistence on the point in the face of people agreeing with you in general but arguing the necessity of it in this case makes me wary.

The "value of the extension" discussion delves far too much into metagaming to be wholly comfortable for me to draw analysis from (after all, I wasn't here for a single one of the games being cited as examples of why X or why not Y), but I am uncomfortable with people who post in the midst of the debate, talk about time limits, and don't make a single comment on the extension. Completely avoiding the argument at hand? That looks a little off to me.

That currently leaves me suspicious of Alex (repeated attacks, and setting up a straw man) and Andrew (for completely missing out on the extension discussion, either for or against, despite posting in the midst of the argument and citing lynch deadline problems). Primarily? Alex's harangue leaves a bad taste in my mouth. So:

##VOTE Sir Alex

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Forum Games / Re: World of Warcraft Mafia - Main Topic

« on: February 05, 2008, 10:42:35 PM »

More trying not to fail classes/get enough sleep to attend classes/attend classes than anything. Silly me, I tend to pay attention when I'm there, too.

Anyway, here now. First things first: removal of joke vote.

##UNVOTE Ciato

Now onto substance. Unofficial vote count puts smodge and Strago at 2 votes each, and everyone else with 1 vote a piece except for myself and EvilTom. All 9 of us have weighed in after a fashion, some of us (I'm looking at ... uh... me, mostly) less so than others. So! Real game now SRSLY. ... except it's day one. And it ends in 4 hours. With so little time left, I'm looking at the lurker that isn't me, and that means

##VOTE Strago

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Forum Games / Re: VtM:M - Vampire the Masquerade Mafia

« on: February 05, 2008, 05:43:09 PM »

I must admit, belatedly, that I see some sense in being wary of our Prince outing himself so immediately and placing such powerful tool at our feet. As literally the first action, it has a ridiculously controlling effect over actions that have no immediate logic. Granted, as it was the first action, the quest for information began sooner than it otherwise might and I can only see this as a good thing. However, I am wary about a power which has the potential to allow for two poorly informed lynches with little potential to pin the blame if we happen to lose two aligned for justice because of it ("I was merely following the vote"). I do believe that he's doing only what he must, though, so it's caution over the role I'm taking rather than suspicion of the one who claims it. The latter will sort itself out fairly shortly.

What Ratkin has said is that he will lynch the person with the most votes at the midday point.  Now, we ALL put votes on the people we think are suspicious.  This is done regardless of whatever Ratkin does.

This is true, but at the same time there have been many seemingly good decisions that steamrolled too quickly to be reviewed logically as a whole which turn out to be bad decisions. The dayvig deciding to kill exactly midday is cutting things a bit fine on us being convinced of anything much. I also suspect, given the time-frame of the game, the dayvig will end up being controlled by a particular faction of individuals who happen to be around early enough in the new day to make the arguments which begin the lynch voting. Unavoidable, as I ultimately agree that it's far more useful to us if we get our information on a kill with enough time to make an argument for the next, but worth pointing out.

Now... my homework requires my attention, so I'll return later today with something more substantive. That in mind:

##Extension



 

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Forum Games / Re: World of Warcraft Mafia - Main Topic

« on: February 05, 2008, 03:10:07 AM »

Not even ten minutes from the snap and I'm up for elimination for inability? That hurts. ;_;

(Note to self: QQ more? less.)

* Lady Door spins a pen and decides...

##VOTE Ciato

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Forum Games / Re: VtM:M - Vampire the Masquerade Mafia

« on: February 05, 2008, 03:04:33 AM »

... Mmkay then. Hi!

First off: ##VOTE: QuietRain.

The opening shot revealing our prince here was quite enough, but a post that confuses me with unclear direction? Eep. Also. Celery. Ew.

*wades in the shallow end of the pool for the evening*

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Forum Games / Re: (World of) Warcraft Mafia, early sign-ups

« on: February 04, 2008, 06:03:45 AM »

Received.

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Forum Games / Re: V:tM Mafia Signups Thread

« on: February 02, 2008, 06:15:40 PM »

Confirmed.

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Forum Games / Re: V:tM Mafia Signups Thread

« on: January 30, 2008, 06:23:20 PM »

I'm tempted to join, but I've never played Mafia before and I'm not sure how well that'll sync up with your hopes for this game.

But... in if you don't think it'll be a problem.

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Forum Games / Re: (World of) Warcraft Mafia, early sign-ups

« on: January 29, 2008, 01:19:22 AM »

After a few hours of hemming and hawing (and being prodded), here I am! In, but only if it is C9. Since my training is of the dubious variety ("Hey, Andrew, what are you doing?" "Mafia." "... 'kay." *scoot*), it seems saner that way.

Maybe.