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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2008, 08:53:07 PM »
Pick a girl and join the fad, Shale.

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« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2008, 03:46:39 PM »
So, I've watched a bunch of stuff over the last couple months and keep forgetting to post about it. Thus, in this brief moment of non-laziness, we get ze monster post. (Note: said post does not involve Monster). Alphabetical order! For justice.

Ah! My Goddess: So yeah, romantic comedy isn't really the Cid's thing. No surprise there. It's cute and harmless, at the least, and surprisingly devoid of fanservice for something that basically has the typically spineless anime male accreting a circle of superpowered women. I do approve of the fact that the show decides to be about a specific relationship rather than having every woman in the world swoon over the lead and going "Which will he pick?" Of course, that would be more rewarding if the relationship actually moved faster than a glacier. On that note, I have to punt Skuld for being the enforcer of the status quo. Also, since she kicked off the chain of events that led to armageddon, I'm deciding that that's entirely her fault. Anyway, Belldandy is too much the perfect domestic to be my style, but she's okay. Urd, on the other hand, is basically an omnipotent bum. You know I approve of this.

Black Lagoon: Now, this one was a lot of fun. I can't really think of anything it does wrong. Well, unless you're a plotaholic, but I'm usually satisfied with solid character work. I don't see anything wrong with an episodic structure as long as you do it right, and Black Lagoon does. Vivid cast and entertaining individual storylines. Revy is my kind of psychopath. Props to the ending credits, on that note. Mellow synthesizer music, camera trails along a beach behind her feet as she drops her familiar weapons and ammo, and you're supposed to go "Right, this is where the hardened killer shows her soft side, yada yada yada,"...and then finally the screen pans up to show us an expression of pure homicidal rage, and she's got a shotgun clenched between her teeth which she proceeds to level directly at the camera. Gotcha! Ahaha, nice. Show does need more Balalaika, though. And...I am hearing now that plans to release the second season stateside have been scrapped. Is this accurate? Most unfortunate, if true, as I am wanting more.

Boogiepop Phantom: Interesting. The show's structure can be perplexing at times, what with minor characters showing up with a sufficient gap between appearances for you to forget who they were. For those who haven't watched it: every episode has a different central character, but all the individual stories concern supernatural events in the same city and often overlap or share what we may as well term the main characters due to their more frequent appearances (Nagi and the title character--Nagi's pretty cool, on that note). The overall effect is mixed, but I think the show succeeds more often than it fails, even if it's not good about answering the questions it tosses out regarding the overarching cause of the city's problems (why are there two of the title character? That never made sense). I particularly liked the episode with the mother trying to make peace with the embittered ghost of her daughter--and the one where the retrograde amnesiac (think Memento) meets her daughter for the last time. Very poignant, that. I also have to say that I like how consistent the show is about there always being a price tag for superhuman abilities of any kind. Will have to watch this one again at some point.

Daphne in the Brilliant Blue: Fanservice anime! Well, it had Reki's VA from Haibane-Renmei. I can give it that, at least. And Gloria's rampant stupidity was vaguely amusing ("Ha ha and ha!") That's as far as I can be complimentary to generic fluff, though.

Ergo Proxy: Good show. Excellent atmosphere and style. It was looking like a keeper for the first half of the series, but there's a good deal of flailing late in the story. A couple people go mad bomber for no real reason, and some of the background provided for one of the central characters is less than satisfying. Also, there's an Omniscient Council of Vagueness. I hate those (though at least this one takes the form of classical artwork). Also, fuck the Smile Land episode. We didn't need that kind of change of pace. Still, the show does a lot of things right in terms of building a vivid setting. I love post-apocalypse environments and this one's quite meticulously constructed. It's worth watching just for that. And, as always, I approve of solid development going into AI characters. Pino wins. Close enough to human to pass when she needs to, but with those telling lapses of empathy and common sense. Also, excellent opening sequence ("Someone saaave me" kicks in at just the right moment). It nails that tone of "Yeah, the world's right fucked, but there's a way out if we try" that I love about this kind of setting. And Paranoid Android plays over the end credits. Score. So, flawed but interesting in the final analysis. Another show that bears a second viewing eventually.

Fate/Stay Night: Mediocrity. I was told this was the case, but had to watch it anyway. Swordgirl, y'know. And Saber was okay, but that's about as much as I can say in the show's favor. Sakura was offensively moe and the rest of the cast were shades of meh. Main is the typical blockheaded Messiah type. His power was unusual, but I suppose credit for that goes to the original game. Rider wins for style points and wanting to kill the rest of the cast. Really, there was no reason for the evil loli to leave the mains alive after their first encounter. Well, beyond Writer On Board, but that doesn't count. So yeah, decent eye candy and that's about it.

Paprika: May as well toss this in here too. I usually enjoy Satoshi Kon's mindbenders, but there was a decided lack of focus here. Surrealism we expect in a movie about diving into someone's dreams. There isn't an excuse for lazy plotting, though. It's not bad, I just can't really praise it beyond the striking visuals.

Xenosaga: You know I had to watch this, just to see how much it failed. The answer is...a lot! Take the game, subtract Mitsuda music, Cherenkov (well, he *exists* here, but he's killed quite unceremoniously in the second episode), the database, add in worse voice acting. Voila! Also, they tried to carry over the angular facial features some of the XS characters had in episode one. This didn't look great in the actual game and it sure as hell isn't improved by the transition to hand-drawn animation. Basically, it's a hack job in every regard (no shock, I know). Even the OP is just a clipshow of unremarkable moments from the first couple episodes of the series.

The best thing I can say about it is that the level of badness did not fail to meet my expectations.

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Right now...starting Le Chevalier D'eon. Already impressed. Court intrigue in 18th century France, black magic in the mix to spice things up, solid action sequences...oh, and the main character morphs into his dead, vengeful sister when it's arse-kicking time. You know this makes me happy. There's also a badass UOM, for those who are into such things. I can only hope it continues to be this awesome. Haven't enjoyed a show like this for a while.
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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2008, 06:48:34 AM »
I ended up watching more anime this weekend than I had in the past three months or so.

Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei: Finished through episode 6. Hilarious. The rapid-fire style is pulled off damned well, and the characters are so completely wrong. Everyone is either deplorable, retarded, or clinically insane - makes for great comedy, and gives the show a unique flavor. Love the puns and background gags.

Bamboo Blade: Also watched through episode 6. Felt positively sedate and serious after Saturday's SZS-a-thon. Good characters, good pacing, nice animation throughout, which is somewhat rare for a comedy series with regular fights. I like.

Haruhi: A good year and a half after watching the first episode, I...watched the second episode! It was better than the first, at least, still nothing great outside of gags relating to Haruhi's hair. At this rate I should figure out what people see in it by 2019.
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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2008, 01:53:19 AM »
I've been watching a bunch of stuff lately, but the one thing that has gotten my attention is this!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-02-27/new-slayers-tv-anime-series-in-the-works

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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2008, 05:15:53 AM »
Seems to be the season of revivals with that and the new Trigun movie in the works, as well as the Evangelion revival movies.

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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2008, 12:09:07 PM »
More Eva products?  Isn't that like a cry of "We need easy money fast"?
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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2008, 03:13:37 PM »
http://youtube.com/watch?v=T0F1Do9cNYo
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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2008, 11:59:37 PM »
Le Chevalier d'Eon: Mrphle. I really liked the setup, but they didn't take it anywhere I particularly cared to go. Plot flounders in the Russia arc and never quite recovers, characters remain alarmingly static throughout, and the lategame betrayal is telegraphed by the freaking OP. It's not bad, it's just...with the materials available, it could've been much better. Ending was a mixed bag; some parts worked, others didn't (could *spoilers* really think the queen of all people would betray him? And...zombie *spoilers?* Come on, was that really necessary?) I did rather like the epilogue at least, because I'm a sucker for that bittersweet sort of "looking back years later," ending.

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« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2008, 12:02:17 AM »
Gurren-Lagann: Finished finally; I was going to wait for the DVDs but then ADV did their kinda-sorta-cancelling shtick and I said screw it. Three-word review: Kick. @#$!ing. Ass. I could expand on that, but it would basically be the same sentiment with more profanity.
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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2008, 07:02:18 AM »
Rental Magica- Dragon arc starts! Fin appears!! And he is voice by Miyano!! Yaoi rating goes up, finally has some desie to start watching this. But bah, consider how the anime plays out, Fin's duel with Sekiran in Venezia probably won't make it into the anime.
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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2008, 05:45:54 AM »
Saw the preview of Soul Eater, look spromising. Although I have soem objection over Soul's voice. I honestly liked Houshi's voice better than the new one. Now, i just hope Kuwashima can handle Medusa......

(why are there two of the title character? That never made sense).

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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2008, 09:11:39 AM »
Interesting: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-03-21/gonzo-works-to-be-streamed-simultaneously-with-airing

Good stuff: Get subs at same time as airing!

Bad stuff: YOUTUBE QUALITY and GONZO. I don't think their recent work has been all that great. Dragonaut and Romeo x Juliet started off average and both turned into retarded trainwrecks...

There's also some flaws here~

Nothing is stopping someone from getting a better raw and timing the lines then re-releasing it via torrent/xdcc for people who care about video quality. The most positive feedback I've seen about fansubs and streaming is ironically from a fansubber's own self-hosted DivX web player streams of their fansubs, because it's like Stage 6 quality treatment. Arguably, in regards to video, this will go along nicely w/Japan's "FUCK P2P" law crap, but there are still ways to obtain raws through non-obvious method.

Furthermore, what of translation/english quality? Granted there are some people who will watch anything, but stuff like editing is why people don't just download every shitty speed sub they see. Stuff like this is also why some people don't like English DVD releases because the subtitles are dubtitles, so some DVD rips are done with OCRed or extracted fansub scripts.

Buuut, if this works out, then other companies will follow. Variety and selection will be important... If say 40 some [non-children] anime air per season, then system isn't going to completely destroy what they're trying to get after if it's only 2 shows a season that are available this way.


For spring, I'm gunna watch Jyunjyou definitely. Soul Eater looks interesting. Vampire Knight, which is going to be oversubbed for god knows what reason, looks... very unimpressive. I'm also going to be taking part in fansubbing of Code Geass R2 for teh lulz.
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« Reply #37 on: March 22, 2008, 02:37:47 PM »
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Stuff like this is also why some people don't like English DVD releases because the subtitles are dubtitles, so some DVD rips are done with OCRed or extracted fansub scripts.

Err, dubtitles are mostly extinct by now; the major Hollywood studios tend to do them with their rare anime releases since they don't give a shit about the hardcore anime fanbase, but the regular R1 companies don't dubtitle these days.

That said, I expect quite a few DVD rips to use fansub scripts anyways so that ultra-important stuff like de arimasu are found untranslated in the script every single time they're uttered.

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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #38 on: March 22, 2008, 04:00:10 PM »
To me, dubtitling is what fansubbers like a.f.k. does when faced with an anime that has multiple references, "making something so foreigners can understand it". "Americanized" or whatever. People either get it or they don't, so uhm, translate, not localize?


Also, speaking on technicalities, de arimasu is the mofuckin' copula. It's always, always translated in a sentence.
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« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2008, 07:02:20 PM »
Um... dubtitling is a pretty straightforward term.  It means using the dub script for subtitles.  Misusing it like that is only going to confuse people.

As for the translation/localization issue, the problem is that a literal translation may miss all the connotations involved with the original Japanese line.  This is especially true with puns and some jokes, which become basically meaningless in a direct translation.  There are also cultural issues between Japanese and English on things like addressing people, talking in third person, and politeness levels that don't come across when translated literally, so that lines can gain creepiness that wasn't there in the original script, or vice versa.

If someone is familiar enough with Japanese to get all the puns and language subtleties, that person shouldn't even need subtitles in the first place.  The point of a translation is to make the work intelligible for people who can't understand the original work.

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« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2008, 07:17:35 PM »
That's just a blank window, hinode.

Also, as far as translating vs. localizing goes, the point of, say, a pun isn't to teach me about Japanese wordplay, it's to make me laugh. If a literal translation does the former and a more liberal adaptation does the latter, then literalism is the one that screwed up.
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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2008, 07:34:01 PM »
Hence infinite hype for Phoenix Wright.

In theory the best of both worlds is those subtitles that have a big explaination on the joke or a particularly untranslatable term right there.  No one will ever try to sell it that way, however, because only a hardcore fan is willing to trade that much screen space for understanding something as it was originally written.  I mean, those are cool and all, but they look terrible and you can't fault people for thinking most people don't want that.  (for my part, I like knowing things.  But also like seeing how translation teams choose to localize stuff.  I actually watch both, where applicable.)
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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2008, 08:55:58 PM »
Um... dubtitling is a pretty straightforward term.  It means using the dub script for subtitles.  Misusing it like that is only going to confuse people.
Referring to group like a.f.k.'s subtitles as dubtitles for the exact reason I said is common in fgtdearimasuland, 'cause a retarded English release is a retarded English release whether it's a fansub or an English DVD. [Or an Odex DVD for maximum lulz.]

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Also, as far as translating vs. localizing goes, the point of, say, a pun isn't to teach me about Japanese wordplay, it's to make me laugh. If a literal translation does the former and a more liberal adaptation does the latter, then literalism is the one that screwed up.
Both options suck~! 8D

The people who want it explained on screen should go look it up themselves! The people who want it localized can Q_Q!
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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2008, 10:11:29 PM »
mia, you're whats wrong with anime fandom.

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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #44 on: March 22, 2008, 10:20:27 PM »
Duh. I'm a Yaoi fangirl after all.
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« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2008, 03:48:44 AM »
Literal translations are perfectly fine for fansubs as far as I am concerned.  It is a perfectly acceptable way for a fan to express the series, they just forfeit the right to bitch if another group chooses to localise it rather than do a literal translation.  It is where there are two groups doing the same kind of things at different levels that the bitchiness is fine (See ToP translations and the difference betwee Dejap and most of the other ones).

Localisation is a required factor for a commercial release.  The dubbed lines and subtitled lines can be different, but that would be built upon by improvisation by the actors or by improving flow of text opposed to flow of speech.

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Re: Watching any anime?
« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2008, 07:00:16 AM »
Duh. I'm a Yaoi fangirl after all.

You are saying yaoi fangirls are the wrong of aniem fandom?? How dare you say such thing to your own kind. I cannot believe traitor like you exists *flees away crying.

Though good to know that you think Vampire Knight id terrible too.
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« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2008, 09:24:42 PM »
Both options suck~! 8D

The people who want it explained on screen should go look it up themselves! The people who want it localized can Q_Q!

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« Reply #48 on: March 23, 2008, 11:07:24 PM »
mia, you're whats wrong with anime fandom.


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« Reply #49 on: March 24, 2008, 03:47:17 AM »
Moving on...

Good news: Blade of the Immortal is getting an anime! Sweet!
Bad news: It's by the animation studio that brought you Noir, Madlax, and Avenger.
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