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« Reply #350 on: May 20, 2009, 06:20:00 AM »
I just figured I'd spare people the effort of asking why I didn't like DaVinci Code.  Come to think of it I STILL haven't gotten around to giving Last Crusade a good rewatching since that movie made me really want to.

'sides.  I was actually asking him to back up his statements for the purposes of conversation, as I find reading actual reasoning more interesting to read than "lolthissucks".

Word!  Most of it is pretty petty, but here goes.  LOTS OF SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY!




1. Sabretooth is his brother, but in X-Men he doesn't seem to acknowledge his existence at all.  This seems weird seeing as how he betrays his brother in Wolverine and then unbetrays him and spouts off some crap at the end about being brothers and all that.  Unless Sabretooth also got shot in the head by some adamantium bullets, this makes no sense.  When you KNOW how a plot is going to end up, you should be able to adjust to that.  It'd be like if Star Wars didn't killed Mace Windu in episode 3 and then just had him magically gone in episode 4.
2. The whole deal with his wife annoyed me.  "Hey, just stay with Wolverine forever while we hold your sister.  We'll let her go someday."  You'd think after six years she'd get a little tired of this.  Or you know... USE HER FUCKING POWERS TO FREE HER SISTER.  You're telling me she never ever got a chance to use her mojo on Stryker or anyone near him?
3. Too much random mutant dropping.  I'm thinking maybe Blob will come back in the next Wolverine movie or something, but it seemed like they were just throwing mutants out because they could.  And please tell me Blob didn't get his name in the comic because he misheard the word bub... if he did, I'm sad I ever learned that.
4. They keep shooting Wolverine.  Even Agent Zero.  Umm hey guys, you're a top secret military group that just infused this guy with adamantium and now you're going to just shoot at him even though you know it won't work.  Real cute!
5. I didn't buy Stryker at all.  He just decides to stab the general as if there would be no repercussions... really?  Seemed completely pointless except to maybe show us that the calculating Stryker was going crazy or something?  No clue.
6. The fighting was not that impressive.  The initial attack was cool when Zero and Wade showed off, but Wolverine is actually a pretty dull fighter, motorcycle be damned.  I will admit that the final fight was decent though.
7. This is what finally did me in. 
Stryker: Yar, I got my cool 6 shooter and adamantium bullets
Random Chick: Umm those still won't be able to kill him
Stryker: I KNOW!  But dude, I can make him lose his memory!  That is so worth risking my life over despite the fact that I could have given Zero this gun and he could have done it for me!!

Did they really think that the audience wouldn't have figured it out?  Wolverine getting shot by super bullets, waking up, and not knowing who he was wouldn't be obvious enough?

Oh and finally, apparently Xavier didn't age at all in 20 years, in fact... he got older.  I guess the budget was too low to throw a fucking wig or makeup on him.

Like I said, most of it is pretty petty, but it just kept happening.  I managed to block each one out and enjoy the movie for the most part, but then at the end it was a big "are you fucking kidding me" moment.  Very similar to Signs.

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« Reply #351 on: May 20, 2009, 11:52:59 AM »
I just figured I'd spare people the effort of asking why I didn't like DaVinci Code.  Come to think of it I STILL haven't gotten around to giving Last Crusade a good rewatching since that movie made me really want to.

'sides.  I was actually asking him to back up his statements for the purposes of conversation, as I find reading actual reasoning more interesting to read than "lolthissucks".

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« Reply #352 on: May 20, 2009, 10:00:24 PM »
Oh and finally, apparently Xavier didn't age at all in 20 years, in fact... he got older.  I guess the budget was too low to throw a fucking wig or makeup on him.

Actually Xavier has been bald since he was a teenager.  But yeah, still should not look old.

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« Reply #353 on: May 20, 2009, 10:57:29 PM »
I can't believe you're bitching about Patrick Steward aging.

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« Reply #354 on: May 21, 2009, 12:59:14 AM »
You'll notice that I didn't give that one a number, it was more of an afterthought.  Still seems lazy as hell though considering how little effort it would take to make him look a bit younger.  Apparently he was always bald, but even minor makeup can take 20 years off of his face.

Nothing was epically awful about the movie, just a ton of plot issues that simply didn't add up to me.

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« Reply #355 on: May 21, 2009, 04:09:18 PM »
Saw "Lady in the Water".

This director keeps getting more WTF with every movie of his I see. It gets points for... absurdity in a humorless situation? I got a Dr. Seuss vibe a bit... but it was overwhelmed by how horrible all the dialogue, pacing, characters, and actors were. And the music sucked too. Damn, if you're going to fail at story, at least hire a decent composer to sell the emotion and hope your audience isn't paying much attention.

The movie seems to be making up a fairy tale and trying to pass it off as real by having the 'strange old Korean tenant' re-tell the 'old bedtime story her grandmother used to tell her'. Ugh.

Points for the grass-wolf thing, though. I want one. It's kind of how I imagine Pokemon should look.



It's based on a bed time story M.Night told his kids. and the writer (whom is M. Night) is the main character. The math does itself.

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« Reply #356 on: May 22, 2009, 01:13:32 AM »
Hahaha, Lady in the Water. Haha, I almost forgot that shitty ass boring-horribly-paced-ridiculously-plot-twisted-and-fail movie ever existed with its shitty character personalities and unnecessary innuendos. Jesus, I'm going to have nightmares tonight. That said, I've hated everything Shyamalan has ever produced.

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« Reply #357 on: May 22, 2009, 02:01:49 AM »
Catch Me If You Can: Very fun movie. Solid performances from all the leads, well-paced, and knowing how much of it is fictionalized just makes Frank Abagnale that much more impressive. (For instance, it leaves out the time when he was arrested for impersonating an airline pilot, and got out of it by getting real pilots he'd met during his cons to vouch for him.)
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« Reply #358 on: May 22, 2009, 06:52:49 AM »
Hahaha, Lady in the Water. Haha, I almost forgot that shitty ass boring-horribly-paced-ridiculously-plot-twisted-and-fail movie ever existed with its shitty character personalities and unnecessary innuendos. Jesus, I'm going to have nightmares tonight. That said, I've hated everything Shyamalan has ever produced.

I never bothered to watch this one, but I remember reading that a character in it who gets KILL BY DEMONS was named after a movie critic that bashed the director's work. I think that pretty much says everything you need to know about Shyamalan.

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« Reply #359 on: May 22, 2009, 07:21:45 AM »
Hahaha, Lady in the Water. Haha, I almost forgot that shitty ass boring-horribly-paced-ridiculously-plot-twisted-and-fail movie ever existed with its shitty character personalities and unnecessary innuendos. Jesus, I'm going to have nightmares tonight. That said, I've hated everything Shyamalan has ever produced.

I never bothered to watch this one, but I remember reading that a character in it who gets KILL BY DEMONS was named after a movie critic that bashed the director's work. I think that pretty much says everything you need to know about Shyamalan.

There's one more REALLY important detail in this movie that's telling of Shyamalan's personality.

The central storyline of the movie is that there are these mystical people who live in the water and they're trying to impart some very important message that will revolutionize the human world and make it a wonderful utopia. To do this, one of them tries to contact a young college boy who's writing a paper/book on how to improve the geo-political landscape of our times that will initiate this revolution.

The actor who plays this savior/messenger is none other than Mr. Shyamalan himself.


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« Reply #360 on: May 23, 2009, 06:47:42 PM »
Fast and Furious:  Basically what you'd expect.  Lots of scantily clad women teasing you, lots of races and wrecks, and so on.  The plot in this one was better than any of the others IMO, but it was still Fast and Furious plot.  They did pull a couple of moves that I didn't see coming in the least.

This one > Original > Second one >> Tokyo Drift.

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« Reply #361 on: May 24, 2009, 02:53:46 AM »
I want to see the new Fast and Furious. My boyfriend is into cars and always commenting on crappy modding that's in the movies, so I learn things from time to time. I think Tokyo Drift was shot better than all of the other movies. Otherwise, I'm in the boat of Original -> T.D. -> 2F2F.

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« Reply #362 on: May 25, 2009, 04:38:53 AM »
Regarding Lady in the Water.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LadyInTheWater

Let us never speak of it again.

Star Trek - So yeah this was good and almost makes me want to get some of the original seasons on DVD.  Almost.  Is very good and everything is better with more Leonard Nimoy and Simon Pegg.
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« Reply #363 on: May 25, 2009, 09:51:21 PM »
Star Trek: Saw it. It was okay. I'm not getting the hype at all, but it's perfectly watchable. I am basically the variety of fan parodied in that one Onion sketch and have no need of anything actiony or particularly photogenic in my Star Trek, so yeah. I'd expected worse since the initial advertising, so maybe it says something that I didn't hate the movie. Have no real motivation to see it again, though.

Idly, came into the screening a few minutes late (was waiting for the parents, who got caught in traffic). I don't imagine a lot happens before the hook-nosed guy from Iron Man heads to the Romulan ship and gets speared?

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« Reply #364 on: May 26, 2009, 01:11:27 AM »
So my students are being very un-genki at this time of the school year, so I went to the video rental store and marathoned a bunch of recent English kids movies in hopes of finding something to use in class.

Idly, I also thought I'd do some comparative thinking on them.

In order of viewing:

Wall・E: Best of the lot. I really wasn't expecting much from the trailers, but it ended up being a really thoughtful movie. Despite its attempts to have a generally positive ending, the whole experience was actually pretty horrifying to me as it presented a realistic view of 'apocalypse' that terrified me. Not the intention, I know, but my imagination ran away with me while I was watching it, apparently. On reflection, it does an amazing job of mixing elements of silent film and sci-fi/environmentalist themes. Not my favorite movie ever, but at least it was a good movie.

Golden Compass: My personal favorite of the bunch. This movie felt a bit rushed, but the main antagonist lady was truly chilling. And the child actors weren't horrible, so that was nice. It was a visual feast, so I'm glad I saw it, but the whole experience worked more as an advertisement for the books than as a movie. I haven't read the books yet, but now I -really- want to. Why didn't anti-Christian literature exist for me when I was kid? I don't feel I can it rate it much more objectively than this because I found myself seriously agreeing with every plot point and thinly-veiled anti-Christian theme. The plot alligns with my personal views too much for me to be entirely objective here. It's like when overly-conservative people try to claim that FOX news is objective. I'm at least aware that I'm biased here. Note that I liked the Christian symbolism in WallE.

Lady in the Water: Yeah, I watched it during this marathon. As bad as advertised. And according to Grefter, let's move on.

Eragon: From this point on, the movies get progressively better. Well, considering that they're following Lady in the Water, that's not saying much. Anyway, Eragon is entirely fogettable. Even the visuals were lame. And I -like- dragons and swords/sorcery (obviously). Fail, Eragon. The titular hero himself is an impulsive idiot and there's the horrible romantic subplot involving the girl he's never met... The dragon character was also pretty lame. The cool Obi-Wan/UOM guy dies. Spoiler. If you couldn't figure that out five minutes into the movie, you're too young to be on this forum. The whole thing is just -too- predictable and -too- archetypal. Don't get me wrong, Djinn likes tropes, but at least try to subvert one or mix them up somewhat creatively. Tales of Symphonia has more creative characters than this movie.

The Seeker: Seems based on a book series for tweens. There's a chosen one, some really heavy-handed Light/Dark symbolism, and a 'surprising' twist on the villain's identity. It also has a lame romantic plot that they thankfully drop later on. It's set in modern day England somewhere, but magic exists secretly and our chosen one (angsty teenage blonde-haired kid) has to travel through time to collect macguffins and stop the Dark Rider or something.
The exposition is mercifully short, and the very first instances of BHK starting to see evidence of magic existing in the modern world is actually pretty and culminates in a dark chase scene with some creepy raven-esque eldritch things. Then the secret magic society shows up to take all the mystery out of the magic and the movie sucks. Disappointing.

Spiderwick Chronicles: A Nickelodeon movie, and appropriately, filled with so-ugly-they're-cute little creatures. Except  they're not cute. Apart from this failure, this movie wasn't bad! Not great, but not bad. It's another kid-lit book-based movie that's set in modern times where magical things exist secretly. The 'secretly' part being the key. There's a world of fantastic faerie-creatures that exist hiding in nature and Professor Spiderwick chronciled all their secrets. Unfortunately, some bad faerie-creature wants to get the book to use its secrets to destroy all the other good faerie creatures. The villain has zero motivation, but who cares? The rest of the story revolves around a family who moves into Spiderwick's home after it's been abandoned (they're distant relatives or something), and the youngest son-with-attitude finds the book in the attic. Some stuff happens with the family finding out about the faerie creatures which culminates in a magical seige of goblins vs. kids that involves exploding an oven with tomato sauce. Somehow, it was kind of cool.
There's no romantic subplot in this at all, and it's probably the main reason why the movie is 10X better than all of the previous ones (besides Golden Compass and WallE). There is a human drama subplot about how the family has recently been split up because of an unfaithful father. Luckily, this is but a blip on the radar compared to the magical plot (rightfully so, who cares about your deadbeat dad when you're being seiged by fucking goblins?!).

Bridge to Terabithia: Another one based on a kids book, but this time, not a series, but a singular book. This works really well. I was surprised by the quality of the movie. The actors aren't great, but the story is told pretty well. The ads are misleading. This is not a magical fairy tale story. It's actually just a human drama with some acid trip sequences spliced in while the kids are out in the woods 'imagining' things. It works pretty well at conveying the sense of 'Oh come on, you -know- you did this when you were 8!' It was a change from the rest of the kid-lit fantasy stories I had been watching, so my opinion might be biased by being thankful for a change. There's also no romantic subplot, another plus. It's basically a friendship story with a tearjerker ending, and all the tropes that go along with that. Not much to say beyond that, apart from the fact that it's actually enjoyable and the characters are believable.

Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian: Were the Telmarines in the original books Spaniards or is that a creative addition for the movie? The movie had the biggest budget of any on this list by a large margin and it shows (apart from WallE, perhaps?). The visuals are beautiful. ...and that's it. I was really bored the whole movie. Even the plucky mascot character didn't grow on me. The actors for these kids are terrible. And Caspian himself is an idiot. The only actor I liked was the guy who was playing the 'I eat babies' bad guy. But the visuals were really pretty and the source material wasn't slaughtered, so I supposed it did its job well. Better at being 'epic' than any of the other films, though I can't tell if I mean that ironically or not.

tl;dr:
WallE >> Golden Compass > Prince Caspian > Bridge to Terabithia > Spiderwick Chronciles >>> The Seeker > Eragon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lady in the Water

Did I miss any recent-ish kid-lit releases?


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« Reply #365 on: May 26, 2009, 02:57:13 AM »
Idiocracy:  Watched this again recently.  Still an awesome movie.  Watch it.  It's too under the radar to really be that hard to pirate.

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« Reply #366 on: May 26, 2009, 03:14:08 AM »
Eragon: Tales of Symphonia has more creative characters than this movie.

Ouch, but sadly correct.

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The Seeker: Seems based on a book series for tweens.

The Dark is Rising series by Susan Cooper.  Excellent stuff.  They're pretty short books, aimed at maybe 5th-grade level?  You might try to find some for your English students.

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« Reply #367 on: May 26, 2009, 08:32:03 AM »
Djinn, if you like tropes and stuff like in Eragon, I highly recommend you check out this little known gem of a series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars

Edit - Oh and if you can think of anything inventive to bash Lady in the Water with, go right ahead, just you know, this guy wrote a movie about a writer who is going to write the BEST THING EVAR and then stars as it kind of covers anything you could possibly say about it really.
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« Reply #368 on: May 26, 2009, 09:17:08 AM »
Idiocracy:  Watched this again recently.  Still an awesome movie.  Watch it.  It's too under the radar to really be that hard to pirate.

Yeah, but what ARE electrolytes?

I think that whole dialogue is probably one of my favorites, despite the overall movie being only above average.
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« Reply #369 on: May 27, 2009, 01:40:06 AM »
Djinn, if you like tropes and stuff like in Eragon, I highly recommend you check out this little known gem of a series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars

Snarky. I like it.

I'm not ashamed of liking tropes. But I already said that I prefer it when tropes are used/combined/subverted in -somewhat- original ways... And yeah, the Eragon = Fantasy version of Star Wars wasn't lost on me, but it didn't improve the movie in any way?

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Edit - Oh and if you can think of anything inventive to bash Lady in the Water with, go right ahead, just you know, this guy wrote a movie about a writer who is going to write the BEST THING EVAR and then stars as it kind of covers anything you could possibly say about it really.

Yeah, but that's a level of egoism that bears repeating from time to time. If it isn't mocked often enough, this sort of thing will become too common. I'm sure you understand that. I've always thought of you as being the guy whose purpose was to counterbalance people with egos like that. Keep up the good work. ;D

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« Reply #370 on: May 27, 2009, 08:37:48 AM »
Nah, my job is just generic swearing.  All the other things I do is purely extracurricular.  I am a giver.  Some people are just good you know, good to the bone.
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« Reply #371 on: May 27, 2009, 08:45:34 AM »
Man. I remember when I first saw Bridge to Terabithia. I'd never read the book. And only saw the previews which made it look like a standardish fantasy flick.

IMAGINE MY SURPRISE.

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« Reply #372 on: May 27, 2009, 08:53:59 AM »
Clearly no one told you that the book won a Children's book award (and card game)
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« Reply #373 on: May 27, 2009, 02:12:15 PM »
It's your own fault for not reading the book in the first place.

Still, that was an awful marketing campaign.
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« Reply #374 on: May 27, 2009, 11:24:25 PM »
Nah, there is no reason for an adult to read a children's book, even if it is award winning.
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