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« Reply #2475 on: December 22, 2015, 05:42:35 PM »
Saw Star Wars. I don't care for the series, but I liked the movie. Also, Kylo Ren deserves an Emmy for his hair, the sonofaBenedictCumberbatch clone.

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« Reply #2476 on: December 22, 2015, 09:35:41 PM »
I saw Star Wars, so now I can read the internet again.

Good overall, maybe around Return of the Jedi/Revenge of the Sith level?  Definitely cribs a lot from A New Hope.  Really liked Kylo Ren He's a little kid pretending to be a Sith.  Love the way he stomps around. , didn't like Finn. Way too comic-reliefy, can't buy him as growing up with Stormtrooper training.  His part could have been played just as easily by Kenan Thompson.  Haha you can't unsee that now.

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« Reply #2477 on: December 24, 2015, 11:16:10 AM »
Star Wars 7 - It was good, I had fun, there is a ton of call backs and references (whether it be explicit, thematic or cinematography), enough that I am dead certain I missed some.  Between that and the occasional too smart for its own good but okay you get that one moments you can tell it is a JJ Abrams gig in the same way as Star Trek, though I think this is better as a whole.

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Edit - And I agree with Idun on Kylo Ren.  10/10 would watch him be angry and petulant with that hair again.

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Huh, I was really expecting more people to talk about how recursive this is on the original series.  Like so many of the same points are called back and inverted (or reinverted again because the original series was about inverting things a previously established already...).  I think the two big ones that got me the most was the Han death sequence.  Not the death itself, though that is great, but the way it is shot.

Oh hey look it is a big scene where the character is going to confront their father suspended over an infinite void on a skinny bridge.

That said Kylo Ren as a whole story arc already does it with Vader both incredibly obviously, but very explicitly in the dialogue.  Han and Leia talk about how they both lost a son, Ren talks about how Ben Solo is dead, he no longer exists.  Clearly a young Jedi named Kylo Ren, who was a pupil of Luke's until he turned to evil, helped the First Order hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights. He betrayed and murdered Han and Leia's son. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Kylo was seduced by the dark side of the Force.

I love that his thoughts betray him and he can still feel some good in himself.

Also I think it is probably telling that I am missing family a bit, but if where Leia tells Han "If you see our son, bring him home", if she had just said "tell our son I love him" I would have fucking lost my shit and probably left the movie so I wouldn't cry in front of friends.



Not to mention they end the fucking movie with a trench run.  Holy fuck dudes that one is probably a bit TOO on the nose.


This thread needs way more hype for the Wedge Antilles stand in getting to do all the old cool Han Solo bits.

Wedge + Han = the best.
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« Reply #2478 on: December 27, 2015, 07:22:16 PM »
My kid got some Studio Ghibli movies for Christmas.

Tales of Earthsea  It's based on the Ursula LeGuin novels, which I haven't read.  I suspect some important plot points were lost in the adaptation, because some stuff about the true names doesn't make sense.  Still enjoyed the movie.  Bad guy's eyes are super creepy.  http://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbhenqVzuX1qbphcgo6_r1_250.gif

Whisper of the Heart  Found this really boring.  Maybe I would like it better if I hadn't seen The Cat Returns first.  I kept expecting something fantastic to happen and it was just really dull.

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« Reply #2479 on: December 28, 2015, 12:14:16 AM »
My kid got some Studio Ghibli movies for Christmas.

Whisper of the Heart  Found this really boring.  Maybe I would like it better if I hadn't seen The Cat Returns first.  I kept expecting something fantastic to happen and it was just really dull.
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« Reply #2480 on: December 28, 2015, 12:12:30 PM »
So... JJ Abrams clarified R2D2's boot up timing

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-answers-burning-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens

So....R2D2 is a really old computer that just takes a few hours to boot up, apparently.  Rey being there when he finished booting up was apparently more of a coincidence than anything.

"It doesn't really make sense, but it means more fanservice so"
Jesus they could have toned it down with the fanservice. It is the Advent Children of Star Wars

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« Reply #2481 on: December 28, 2015, 01:28:31 PM »
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« Reply #2482 on: December 28, 2015, 10:28:40 PM »
Star Wars: Force Awakens: I have just re-watched Episode 4 and 5 beforehand.  Why not 6?  Because timing mostly; those two were done at my parents house and didn't have the time to watch episode 6, simple as that (also Mandy was not in the mood and yeah, kind of wanted to take her to see Ep 7 but oh well, that didn't work out!), so many things were fresh in my mind...

And all I can say is...it's good.  Yeah, it's basically A New Hope with a paint job and callbacks to the old series but honestly, it still works well enough as a way to just start a new saga, and sometimes just going back to the familiar doesn't hurt.  I wouldn't go OMG THIS MOVIE IS AMAZING, but it was enjoyable enough and certainly makes me interested in subsequent films.
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« Reply #2483 on: December 29, 2015, 04:12:45 AM »
Much like the ultimate goal of the PS3 wasn't to be a great system or have a lot of cool games but rather to get blu-ray players out there, the goal of Episode 7 was to put people at ease that George Lucas wasn't going to hurt us anymore.

They succeeded.

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« Reply #2484 on: December 29, 2015, 12:24:07 PM »
So... JJ Abrams clarified R2D2's boot up timing

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/20/jj-abrams-answers-burning-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens

So....R2D2 is a really old computer that just takes a few hours to boot up, apparently.  Rey being there when he finished booting up was apparently more of a coincidence than anything.

"It doesn't really make sense, but it means more fanservice so"
Jesus they could have toned it down with the fanservice. It is the Advent Children of Star Wars



Hey now, Star Wars actually has something approaching a coherent plot and characters.This puts it far above FF7AC.
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« Reply #2485 on: December 29, 2015, 02:05:59 PM »
Yeah, I don't think it's fair at all to claim The Force Awakens is "Star Wars: Advent Children" for that reason alone.  The Force Awaken, at very least, feels deliberate and while fanservicey, did show some sense of care for the original product (more so than the prequel trilogy.)  Advent Children was...not that at all.

If anything, The Force Awakens is more Star Wars: Crisis Core, ignoring the prequel/sequel thing.
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« Reply #2486 on: December 29, 2015, 06:27:09 PM »
You guys are the Advent Children of DL posters

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« Reply #2487 on: December 29, 2015, 06:31:33 PM »
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« Reply #2488 on: December 29, 2015, 07:32:57 PM »
Fenrir, that was the Prequil Trilogy of sick  burns.

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« Reply #2489 on: December 29, 2015, 07:51:31 PM »
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Saw Star Wars myself. My opinion is summed up thusly:


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« Reply #2490 on: January 01, 2016, 09:51:55 PM »
Finally saw Star Wars. I really like all the new characters and the opening 20 minutes or so were really good. After that the characters are still well-acted and generally well-written but the plot goes completely to shit. I know everybody likes A New Hope, but still, maybe don't mash your dick into the reset button quite so hard?

I thought I understood the relationship between the New Republic, the Resistance and the First Order. FO is the remnants of the Empire resurgent, having consolidated power in a section of the galaxy the Rebels/Republic never liberated -- presumably toward the core, since Finn was trying to flee to the rim. In order to avoid a shooting war, the Republic covertly sponsors the Resistance within the First Order's borders, and publicly denies any relationship with them. Snoke and his people don't buy this for a second, but it's still enough to keep a lid on open hostilities between the two governments. Okay, that works as a premise. But then the bad guys turn on the Starkiller superweapon (ha ha, I see what you did there) and it blows up....the Republic? Which only had five planets? And the Resistance doesn't actually seem concerned about that, only about the possibility that their base of operations could be the next target? Instead of keeping the movie from getting bogged down in political details, choosing not to elaborate on this leaves me puzzled as to why I'm supposed to care about what happened (because of the loss of life, or because the good guys are now totally screwed?), and whether they really did just throw the entire ROTJ victory into the garbage for the sake of another round of Ragtag Rebels vs. Big Bad Empire.

After that, it's mainly a matter of the copypasta from ANH getting so overt that it takes me out of the action. The climactic confrontations with Kylo Ren were all well-done (Like other people have said, emo teen Vader with all his grandfather's superhuman and military power makes for a dangerous, unpredictable villain! That's good.) but the X-Wing stuff was so on the nose that I stopped caring. And the very end was just incoherent crap. The map doesn't just tell you what star system Luke's searching, it leads to the exact plateau where he happens to be hanging out that day? They send Rey instead of Leia or Chewie or Lando (where the fuck is Lando?) to make first contact with him?  I mean, yeah, she's almost certainly his kid, but they don't know that yet. Having that whole thing play out with no tension at all, just follow the map, climb the mountain, Luke's right there, was no way to do a "to be continued."


Short version: I'm in for Episode VIII, entirely because I want to see more of the cast, but I doubt I'll watch this one a second time.
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« Reply #2491 on: January 01, 2016, 10:15:53 PM »
I thought I understood the relationship between the New Republic, the Resistance and the First Order. FO is the remnants of the Empire resurgent, having consolidated power in a section of the galaxy the Rebels/Republic never liberated -- presumably toward the core, since Finn was trying to flee to the rim. In order to avoid a shooting war, the Republic covertly sponsors the Resistance within the First Order's borders, and publicly denies any relationship with them. Snoke and his people don't buy this for a second, but it's still enough to keep a lid on open hostilities between the two governments. Okay, that works as a premise. But then the bad guys turn on the Starkiller superweapon (ha ha, I see what you did there) and it blows up....the Republic? Which only had five planets?

The Hosnian System was the Republic's capital and where their fleet was at the time.  They've scaled down their military to just one primary fleet because they don't view the First Order as an existential threat.  If the US Navy cut down to just the Seventh Fleet and they were in Washington, which suddenly exploded, we probably wouldn't be helping Taiwan too much anymore.

e;  Also you should probably be glad we didn't see more of the Republic since they were apparently more concerned with "trade negotiations" when this shit was going down.  Addition by subtraction.

e2:  Apparently the First Order is based out of the Unknown Regions, which is even further away than the Outer Rim.
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« Reply #2492 on: January 01, 2016, 10:30:22 PM »
Shale, re the end: I'm pretty sure that showing X hours of searching the location would end up on the cutting room floor, and a throwaway line of talking-to-myself-about-what-I-just-did-offscreen would kill the mood.

Anyway, maybe this is more for Misc. Links, but since this is the Movies thread, an old classic:

http://winterson.com/2009/01/episode-iii-backstroke-of-west-redux.html

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« Reply #2493 on: January 01, 2016, 10:37:51 PM »
It's more that I wish they'd just left it for Episode VIII. After the way they'd set up that plot thread, doing it within the time and pacing constraints of what might as well have been a post-credits stinger was a terrible idea. Either change the setup (it's Abrams' script, he can foreshadow whatever he wants) or just leave it until it'll have some breathing room.
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« Reply #2494 on: January 02, 2016, 12:28:54 AM »
Shale, if you are doing A New Hope it needs to hold up as a standalone movie that you have plans to build into a 9 part series if the studios will back it.
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« Reply #2495 on: January 02, 2016, 01:51:44 AM »
The Hateful Eight - I saw this in 70mm. Uhh... I guess it is about how a shared sense of misogyny can overcome a long and bloody history of racism? It's definitely Tarantino's most violent film, and it's extremely talky, set up like a play. People have said that it is like the opening scene of Inglorious Basterds extended to three hours but I don't think that is true at all. It didn't keep up the tension very well for me, and although it does have a lot of escalating conflict primarily through dialogue, the stakes don't quite work because I didn't care what happened to these characters. When the bullets start flying, I was going to be on board with whatever happened because everyone is pretty repugnant. I suppose that might be the point, since the characters represent some ugly facets of American history, but that did kill the tension a bit for me. I dunno, I wasn't in love with this one but as I get older, the less I am enamored of Tarantino's most Tarantino movies. Like, Jackie Brown is really rising in my estimation but I am starting to care less for Tarantino's directorial indulgences.

*People really like Walter Goggins in this. He's pretty unlikeable in the beginning for obvious reasons but makes a turn. He seems weirdly unperturbed by the death of the general but I suppose there isn't much time between when that happens and when the coffee is poisoned. Also I guess he was armed and attacking, so it was self defense? I wasn't that crazy about his performance like some people are although he does have line readings that are pretty funny.
*No one in the movie has a dignified death, there is no room for the coolness or style that usually comes with Tarantino movies. These are ugly, hateful characters who get ugly, hateful deaths.
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*Tarantino uses slow motion in order to make some pieces of dialogue slower, mostly for comedic effect ("YOUUUUUUUU REALLLLLLLLLY GONNNNNN MAKE A DEALLLLLL WITH THIS DIABOLICALLLLLLL BEATCHHHHH"
*I kind of wish Channing Tatum were not so visible in the credits (he's the last one listed and it lasts for a while) since the inclusion of his character could be a pretty big surprise. His entrance and exit are very jarring, let's say.
*Jennifer Lawrence was supposed to be Leigh's character in this movie and that would not have worked at all in my opinion. I think she can act big but lacks some kind of conviction to be truly malicious character which is absolutely required in this role. I also dislike Jennifer Lawrence but that's another tangent.
*Bruce Dern is the very image of a crotchety racist old Confederate general. I feel like there are paintings of his character all over the south.
*The intermission starts at a time that is pretty conducive not only towards peeing and crapping but in a time that is intriguing and where you can have conversations about what's going on. I do appreciate Tarantino's insistence on making film experiences like they used to be in the past.
*Tarantino's voiceover is really jarring and a weird choice. Takes you right out of it.
*I don't necessarily see what 70 mm gets you here. A lot of it takes place indoors or within a horsecart so there isn't much room to make use of a wide screen. Some shots are good in terms of portraying spatial relationships within the room but the format doesn't seem indispensable for a movie like this.
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« Reply #2496 on: January 02, 2016, 07:52:07 PM »
I dunno, I wasn't in love with this one but as I get older, the less I am enamored of Tarantino's most Tarantino movies. Like, Jackie Brown is really rising in my estimation but I am starting to care less for Tarantino's directorial indulgences.

I always thought he should write books instead of make films. I think he will be retiring to do just that. I was never a fan for many reasons. I am being pulled to see this film before I leave though. Sigh.

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« Reply #2497 on: January 02, 2016, 09:31:06 PM »
Star Wars: Wait, That Was It?

It was okay. No aspect of the movie struck me as outstanding, but I didn't hate it or anything (it's possible I'll change my mind about this later, since I initially tried to be positive but gradually assumed the latter position on the Star Trek reboot as well). If there's one principal problem, it's just that this is the most risk-averse movie I have ever seen. The slavish imitation of every plot beat from A New Hope is stifling--you know immediately just what's going to happen on that catwalk because it's exactly what happened in the Death Star--and it's distracting spotting all these entirely too obvious callbacks even when the movie is doing something right (like the aforementioned scene is actually one of the movie's more effective moments anyway). I don't need to be reassured every second that this is STAR WARS, real Star Wars for real fans, do you get it?! I'd prefer you just concentrate on making a good movie than can stand on its own.

None of the returning actors really looked like they wanted to be here. Harrison Ford was occasionally okay when he had imperial baddies to stand directly against (I can sort of buy Han as the sort of rebel who's comfortable with the heroic process of actually overthrowing The Man and just can't seem to find a place for himself in the establishment afterward, but the movie doesn't really present him this way), but otherwise him and Carrie Fisher look vaguely embarrassed to be involved, and anytime both her and Ford need to have a conversation it just drags the movie down. I suspect the sequel will make me feel the same way about Mark Hamill. You guys, do I really have to be involved in this again, I've got cartoons to make.

It's a shame because I liked the younger cast and this could've been a much more enjoyable movie if it was more about them, and about whatever unique struggles a new generation might have, instead of yesterday's villains with a different label on the tin. Relationship between Resistance and Republic was indeed very vague, and this is mostly to the disservice of the Republic (which, you know, we're supposed to care about) and by extension the ending of the original trilogy, which is even more unfortunate. I'd mostly also concluded that "Resistance" was a label Republic forces used in contested territory to appear less like overt meddlers, but that's finer detail than the movie itself is ever interested in painting. I'd agree that the godlike superweapon is kind of a dumb way to instantly up the stakes and force the story into a recursion of "plucky oppressed rebels vs. unstoppable fascist overlords." I was really happy to see Republic X-wings openly kicking ass once it happened, but it feels like it took forever for them to do anything and they seem to have a whole like dozen ships in their fleet? [Note: I don't care what explanation was provided in franchised tie-in media for the Republic fleet not existing after them having thirty years or whatever to consolidate power. If it's important, it should be in the movie.] It undercuts what the heroes were working for in the original trilogy if it's this easy to knock down everything they tried to build. It's also impossible for me to take seriously a villain named Snoke. I know Star Wars has a history of wonky keyboard-mash names, but was that really the best you could come up with?

(Complete nitpicking corner: why is there a laser crossguard on a lightsaber? Like, I know he used it to burn a dude that one time when they had sabers locked, but come on, it looks dumb. It's okay guy, a traditional lightsaber is good enough.)

So I guess I have to be the community crank on this one and be glad I saw it the one time just so I can understand what the conversation's about, wonder why everyone's so happy about it, and be totally unmotivated to ever watch it again. There were moments early on when it seemed like this might go places worth seeing--I really liked Finn's introduction, and Rey spelunking through the wreckage of the imperial hulks that overlook her home is both a great visual and thematic statement about living in the shadow of yesterday's demons--but there aren't enough of these and there's not much payoff for them either. It certainly doesn't do anything to change my impression of Abrams as a guy who's good at moving things around onscreen and bad at giving us reasons to care.

I am probably just stuck being that "There were only three Star Wars movies" guy.

Also the Map to Luke subplot just had me thinking wait didn't I play this in a Bioware game once?
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« Reply #2498 on: January 02, 2016, 09:37:27 PM »
It undercuts what the heroes were working for in the original trilogy if it's this easy to knock down everything they tried to build.

In the EU the New Republic was only held together by the intervention of Luke, Han, Leia and occasionally Wedge or Lando.  Considering none of them are there anymore I'm not surprised the whole thing fell apart.

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« Reply #2499 on: January 02, 2016, 09:39:00 PM »
In which case I have to echo the "Where's Lando?" question.

More Lando fixes everything.