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« Reply #1400 on: June 29, 2011, 04:07:59 AM »
Harry Potter is pretty much just for fans of the books who want to see scenes from the books in action. I don't see how they make a damn bit of sense if you don't already know the story backward and forward.
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« Reply #1401 on: June 29, 2011, 04:43:01 AM »
Green Lantern: pretty good.  A lot nerdier than the average superhero movie; lore heavy at some points, and fairly philosophical at other points.  On the other hand, the muggle interactions were...weaker than normal for a superhero movie.  I can see why it might get weak reviews: if you go in seeking a cookiecutter Hollywood "Avatar" plot it's...there as a crappy subplot.  But it's also not really the strength of the movie.  I went in knowing nothing about Green Lantern, and came out with a fair bit of respect for the concepts.

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« Reply #1402 on: June 29, 2011, 04:55:41 AM »
Harry Potter is pretty much just for fans of the books who want to see scenes from the books in action. I don't see how they make a damn bit of sense if you don't already know the story backward and forward.

I've known people who never read the books and enjoyed the movies and didn't find them hard to follow.  Said people claimed the only real difference between these and other movies was that Harry Potter movies expected you to remember stuff between movies (like  6-8 important characters).

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« Reply #1403 on: June 29, 2011, 08:10:48 AM »
I went in knowing nothing about Green Lantern, and came out with a fair bit of respect for the concepts.

Concepts, plural?  I dunno, I just got back from seeing it tonight knowing nothing about the Green Lantern previously, too.  The movie has one 6th grade moral and hit it hard and repeatedly.  Luckily for the movie, I actually agree with said Aesop of the day (courage is about conquering your fear, not having none in the first place), so it doesn't succumb to the problem many JRPGs do of "your moral is incomprehensible, ridiculous, hypocritical, or some dread combination thereof."  But it isn't scoring actual concept points, either.

Anyway, uh, decent movie...  yet also a tad meh.  They totally cheat on some of the action scenes by just cutting the scene away and then...  poof, we never return to the scene and nobody talks about how it ended.  I guess they didn't want to draw attention to their plot holes, which is fine, but I'd rather they not be there in the first place.

Spoilers (ha like that matters, but I'll be cautious anyway):

How the hell do you write a sequel after Hal SINGLE-HANDEDLY slays a giant planet devouring fear entity.  I'll grant he does it partially through trickery, which was cool, but he still stands up to him when Sinestro's elites apparently still got their souls sucked, and this is the Greatest Threat to the Core Ever (quote from the film!) and it's implied not even the Guardians of Oa could stop Paralax.  Sure, there's the Yellow Ring for sequel villain bait, but that would presumably be a massive step down from "crazy Guardian who merges with fear entity."  It'd be like if Luke kills the Emperor and then destroys the Spirit of the Dark Side of the Force in the first movie.  If I'd been writing the movie, I'd have made Paralax be a "subversion from behind the scenes" sort of villain who enjoys making planets commit suicide because he thinks that's awesome, rather than OM NOM NOM.  That way, there's always tons of schemes to foil and it's understandable if you don't fight him directly in the first movie.

Green Lantern's powers seem totally broken, and they couldn't find much to really use them creatively with.  I'll grant that a lower-powed villain should just die to GL's overpoweredness, but against Paralax, it was all TEST OF WILL blooey where the actual form of the creations didn't seem to matter.  Meh.

Minor quibble: "the ring is never wrong!"  But...  the lantern was made by the Guardians, and Hal mouths off to the Guardians about how they're wrong about Paralax.  The Guardians made something less fallible then themselves?  And with a name like "Sinestro" it's obvious who will be the villain if they do a sequel, so apparently the ring / lantern selection process can go awry.  I'll just assume they were totally lying to cheer Hal up.  If I was writing the script, I'd have had the conversation be more "do you want to make the ring's decision wrong or right?  It's your choice.  Either get on your feet, hero, or go cower in bed and admit defeat."

Another nitpick: I cannot complain too much as it was an attempt to make Token Mortal Ferris relevant, but missiles distracted Paralax?  Really?  The dude flew through space.

I do appreciate that the writers at least took Screenwriters 101, and had Act I prefigure Act V.  That's something.

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« Reply #1404 on: June 29, 2011, 07:52:50 PM »
Snowfire, could you do me a huge favour and go read up Green Lantern stuff on Wikipedia and come back and post about it again? 

That sounds really douchey, but I just kind of want to get your opinion on the larger background of the concepts.  Most of your complaints for the movie are straight up stupid things in the comics as well.

Magic wishing ring space cops are pretty notoriously hard to write stories for that aren't full of those kinds of holes.
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« Reply #1405 on: June 29, 2011, 07:55:32 PM »
The bits about starting with Parallax while keeping Sinestro's SHOCKING TWEEST for the sequel are just straight-up stupid adaptation though.
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« Reply #1406 on: June 29, 2011, 07:56:58 PM »
Sinestro SHOCKING TWEEST is always straight-up stupid though.
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« Reply #1407 on: June 29, 2011, 08:22:42 PM »
Which is why they need to just introduce him as a villain with a stupid name and David Niven's mustache, and leave the TWEEST in his backstory where it belongs.
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« Reply #1408 on: July 02, 2011, 10:56:33 PM »
Green Lantern:  Wasn't expecting much because the reviews have been so bad, but this was surprisingly competent.  The story was coherent, and the visual effects didn't look cheesy.  Granted, I know very little of the actual comic story since I was a Marvel Zombie, but this seemed to cover the major points well enough.

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« Reply #1409 on: July 03, 2011, 04:06:56 AM »
Green Lantern: Was okay, when all was said and done. EXPOSITION at the start was a bad sign, but it leveled out fine. I actually thought Thor had funnier parts, but Reynolds does fine with Hal Jordan. My favorite part for him was just a throwaway scene after he's talking to his nephew and they're leaving the room. He just looks at the car track and can't help but set it off. Subtle character points! Woo!

Tim Robbins was dreadfully underused.

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« Reply #1410 on: July 04, 2011, 07:35:21 PM »
X-Men, First Class

I thought it was pretty fantastic.  With the caveat that there were really only three characters in the movie (Raven, Charles, and Eric) and everyone else served as a foil of one of those three.

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Charles actually comes across as...not so much a villain, as a bit of a douchebag.  He's the guy who feels it's better for gays mutants to be semi-closeted; not flaunt their pride in who they are.  He does perform well in the teacher role, but isn't good at treating his friends like equals.  It's hard not to identify with Raven; she does feel like the main character of the movie in a lot of ways, and gets the most character development.  From shy girl who's kind-of living in Charles' shadow and a bit ashamed of who she is, to proud woman.  Her leaving with Eric at the end makes sense, not so much because she necessarily agrees with him, but because Charles is a douchebag.  Eric is kind-of a broken man--you can always see where he's coming from, given his origins; like "identification; that's how it starts."

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I thought that was the point. Xavier was a young man who was handed the entire world- looks, money, brains, etc. He's learning the ropes on how to be a leader as he goes along, and makes some mistakes along the way.

X-Men: Good, solid fun. It really did an excellent job with mystique in particular- I expected Xavier and Magneto to be good, but her being memoriable was out of the blue.
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« Reply #1411 on: July 05, 2011, 03:30:45 PM »
X-Men: Good, solid fun. It really did an excellent job with mystique in particular- I expected Xavier and Magneto to be good, but her being memoriable was out of the blue.

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« Reply #1412 on: July 05, 2011, 03:35:24 PM »
Cars: Watched this as part of a lazy evening at home. It was more fun than I expected, although the sequel still looks shitty. Kind of annoyed I missed out on Jeremy Clarkson's cameo by having the American version of the film (was anything else different between the two?). The John Ratzenberger scene in the credits was gold.
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« Reply #1413 on: July 05, 2011, 11:41:23 PM »
X-Men: Good, solid fun. It really did an excellent job with mystique in particular- I expected Xavier and Magneto to be good, but her being memoriable was out of the blue.

Yessss!

*hypes Mystique as the secret main character of that movie*

In some ways, she was. She develops the most by far and has some of the most heartbreaking scenes in the film. So much of the story is about Xavier's failures as a leader of the early X-men and why people chose Magneto's side. Everything that Mystique went through was a reflection of that. I mean, Xavier brutally and offhandly rejected her more than once, and that Beast scene... ouch.  Shit, I would have joined with Magneto if I were her as well.
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« Reply #1414 on: July 06, 2011, 04:16:39 AM »
X-Men: Good, solid fun. It really did an excellent job with mystique in particular- I expected Xavier and Magneto to be good, but her being memoriable was out of the blue.

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« Reply #1415 on: July 06, 2011, 12:57:12 PM »
...I didn't notice that one, I swear.
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« Reply #1416 on: July 16, 2011, 03:42:40 AM »
Harry Potter 7.5

Really good at some points, shaky at others.  Like the whole Gringotts sequence felt pretty rushed.  But the Helena Ravenclaw scene was downright fantastic--what was a mildly interesting investigative scene in the book became probably the strongest scene in the movie.

The Snape memories were done decently well, so I was happy about that, although I'm not sure they'll make sense to a casual moviegoer.  (Although it's not like they didn't need to cut stuff--they avoided the whole "mudblood" part, which I guess they had to after they failed to put it into book 5, and I don't think they used the "I think we sort too soon" line).

The final battle has...elements of the original.  Hat->Sword->fight.  Sword->Snake.  "Stay away from my daughter".  And briefly mentions wand ownership, although most of that is explained after the fight.  But things are completely shuffled around, and it's much more of a crazy action lightsaber duel.

There are parts that are obviously problematic just because of the fact that they split the movie.  Like...they never really complete the Dumbledore plot.  The scenes still exist, but no backstory happens.

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« Reply #1417 on: July 17, 2011, 10:03:25 PM »
The last Potter movie kept me entertained enough to where I thought it was the best of the movies.

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« Reply #1418 on: July 19, 2011, 09:08:55 PM »
Green Lantern: Decent comic book movie.  The action scenes are fantastic and Ryan Reynolds does a good job as Hal Jordan.  The movie doesn't try to complicate things much, just presents a single theme and problem and runs with it.

The birthday party scenes did more than anything else to show the actual character of Hal Jordan off and it's conflicts, more than any interactions with the female love interest did. (Or yeah, seconding Soppy)
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« Reply #1419 on: July 22, 2011, 10:06:47 PM »
Captain America: Good ol' schmaltzy fun. The best superhero movie of the summer, not that that says much. Still not among the best, but still fun, especially the USO segments. The Avengers preview after the credits seemed promising.

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« Reply #1420 on: July 22, 2011, 11:33:42 PM »
The X-Men movie had better acting and plot, but Cap's film is pretty classic comic book movie stuff. Also, the actor who played Steve Rogers knocked it out of the park.
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« Reply #1421 on: July 23, 2011, 07:23:25 AM »
Harry Potter and the we're running out of books so just kill Voldemort already:  Good, but Mrs. Weasley totally ruined the bitch line.  No emotion whatsoever.  I was hoping they would change the epilogue and have Ginny die horribly, but eh, can't win them all.

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« Reply #1422 on: July 24, 2011, 03:57:51 AM »
Captain America- Not bad.  The first half of the movie is quite strong, up through the prison escape.  The bits after that felt rushed, in particular the montage sequence which really threw me out of the movie because it looked so much like a "we need clips for the trailer" segment.  Probably the weakest of Marvel's offerings this summer, but still worth the time.
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« Reply #1423 on: July 24, 2011, 06:34:42 AM »
Saw Captain America as well.  yeah, I haven't posted here in a while, but shut up!  Good movie, not sure if I can say its better or worse than Thor or X-men First Class, but I tend to rate movies and such, barring a few extremes, in terms of "Good" "Bad" and "Whatever."
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« Reply #1424 on: July 24, 2011, 06:05:50 PM »
Rosemary's Baby- Hatbot voted for Candyman for some CT weekend movie fiending but Grefter over ruled this in favour of Rosemary's Baby. Grefter > Hatbot. Yeah RB's baby was indeed quite compelling and I'm still thinking about what is was I actually watched. Yeah interesting I think I might watch it again to get my head fully around it. Not tonight though. Movie was longer than I was expecting and I sort of lost track of it near the end because tiredness. I enjoyed it though. Not sure why the old biddy won an Oscar for her part. I thought Rosemary and Roman were stronger roles, definitely Rosemary. Especially Roman at the end though I was awake enough to appreciate that at least. I haven't read the book for this one but I have read Son of Rosemary though I don't know if that really means much depending. RB does deal with some strong themes such as the eating of raw meat - which was ... she did it so naturally that I didn't even realise what she was doing until she did - and nonconsensual sex inc nonconsensual sex between partners ("it was kind of fun, in a necrophelic sort of way"? ... yeah I would have done more than spat on my husband by the end of the movie although with the way the movie works I'm not really sure how much of that really happened/was real or not) so it is not for folks with weak stomachs/etc.

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