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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1100 on: March 19, 2016, 05:54:28 PM »
Upon further investigation: Gawker's gross income is about $45 million.  They posted $5 million in profit. The ruling requires them to pay $50 million of it immediately (as in, Monday)

They plan to appeal, but in Florida you need to post a bond for the full amount of the judgement to do so.  Gawker is done.

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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1101 on: March 19, 2016, 07:59:39 PM »
Rich guy shuts up media critic based on bullshit procedural rules and a damages amount that is, to put it lightly, completely insane.  Yay?  I'm sure the ability of a rich person winning a defamation suit to bankrupt a media company by convincing some mouth-breathers that he suffered $60m in emotional distress will have no negative consequences.  Also fuck Popehat.
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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1102 on: March 19, 2016, 08:05:07 PM »
Also fuck Popehat.

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I'm just spitballing here but have you tried not calling her the new wife?

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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1103 on: March 19, 2016, 09:48:39 PM »
Yup.  Lemme elaborate a bit on why at first blush I think the decision stinks.

First: it has an emotional damages component to the tune of $50m or so.  This makes me think the jury is mentally infirm, even for Florida.  There are people who watched family members die in front of them and couldn't recover a cent for emotional damages, and here a celebrity gets $50m for 9 seconds of his weewee on camera.  Nobody gets that much, even from juries.  I can't take this as anything other than the jury announcing a principle that rich peoples' feelings are worth more than poor peoples' feelings.

Second: Hogan settled with the husband of the woman he was having sex with - the person who presumably leaked the tape - for $5,000.  I am thinking that settlement was probably done to insulate the leaker from any claim for contribution from Gawker (where Gawker alleges that to the extent they owe Hogan money, the person who leaked the tape should be responsible for part of it).  Either way it demonstrates that Hogan was not particularly interested in vindicating his rights - just in screwing Gawker in particular.  That's his prerogative, but again it demonstrates that the emotional damages element of his claim is bullshit.
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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1104 on: March 19, 2016, 10:06:43 PM »
Popehat ‏@Popehat  3h3 hours ago
Huh. Protestors reeeaaally want a President Trump.
Popehat ‏@Popehat  3h3 hours ago
I hate Trump. But I also hate the "he can't talk and you can't listen" shitweasels.

Ah, he's one of those.  Actually yeah fuck that guy.
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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1105 on: March 19, 2016, 10:26:02 PM »
I wonder if the irony of praising a rich guy shutting down the speech of a media company then condemning protesters shutting down the speech of a rich guy is lost on him.  Haha just kidding I don't wonder that.
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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1106 on: March 20, 2016, 12:58:45 PM »
Ohhhh I missed that Super's post was quoting Popehat. I was seriously confused as to why he got brought up.

On the whole while I don't think that Gawker is really a good source of media I have to agree, hitting the company with fines so large it threatens to put them completely out of business because of this is ridiculous, especially with the context Jim just provided. I'd bet money that if it was someone who was not a celebrity suing a revenge porn site for the same damn thing the ruling wouldn't even be in the ballpark, if there even was any reward.

I am a little uncomfortable with the idea that nothing should have been awarded, though, that veers a little too much into the idea that just because they're famous the public is entitled access to their leaked sex tapes. That said it sounds like Hogan is just abusing that angle to garner sympathy? I don't really know the details myself, so I can't really say.

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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1107 on: March 20, 2016, 07:18:27 PM »
As a general rule, I agree celebrities should have some right, but not an unlimited right, not to have their sex tapes published.  There are a couple complicating factors that make Hogan's situation not very clear cut.  First of all, in a separate part of the tape, which Gawker did NOT publish, Hogan says a lot of racist shit.  Other media outlets published the transcripts or audio, not sure which, and that was extremely damaging to Hogan's career.  To the extent that the video relates to the audio, by serving to give some context or to verify the authenticity of the latter, it can be argued that the video is newsworthy and that Hogan should not be able to sue over it (revealing that a celebrity is a big-time racist is unquestionably newsworthy).  That would be a more clear-cut argument if Gawker had published that part of it, and it is truly ironic that he is suing Gawker, which did less damage to his reputation than the outlets that put the racism stuff out there.  Second, Gawker wanted to argue (but was not allowed to present evidence on this point for some reason) that Hogan knew that the sex was being recorded, which would severely damage his claim that the publishing of the tape was an invasion of privacy.  Gawker not being allowed to make that argument is their basis for appeal.  There, again, the fact that he settled for a pittance with the guy who presumably leaked the recording is eyebrow-raising to say the least.
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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1108 on: March 20, 2016, 10:24:52 PM »
Gawker's outright defiance of the court certainly brought shit down on them.  Open defiance of a court will get you destroyed just like spitting in a cop's face.  Publishing articles like "a judge ordered us to take this tape down but we won't because it's hilarious," for instance, probably don't help.  If the basis of your argument is "newsworthiness" then saying that you'd publish a video of a five-year-old getting raped as long as it was a celebrity probably doesn't help the idea that you have a good handle on what is appropriate to publish.

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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1109 on: March 21, 2016, 08:54:10 PM »
Yeah, this is definitely at least in part a case study in Hard Cases Make Bad Law, or more specifically Asshole Defendants Make Bad Law. Crowing in public about how a judge told you to do something but you're not gonna because fuck it is one step short of a default judgment.

Also, Patrick (one of the two people who runs the Popehat twitter) really likes telling you how much he hates hippies and socialists. I've been tuning him out on anything even tangentially related to Sanders.
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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1110 on: March 21, 2016, 09:59:04 PM »
I go back and forth on this.  I think it's a hard case in terms of parsing whether Gawker should be liable, but it's not a case where Gawker's loss should be particularly damaging to journalism writ large - this is one you can cordon off as a "no sex tapes" rule pretty easily.  But that jury's theory of damages is beyond dangerous.  It needs to die in a fire, the sooner the better.
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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1111 on: March 22, 2016, 01:29:49 AM »
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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1112 on: March 22, 2016, 08:58:30 AM »
So...people here know that there's more than one Popehat, right?  (I believe there's Ken Popehat, and Clark Popehat, and they both use the same twitter account).  One of them is right wing and kind-of a dick, one of them is left wing.

Aaaaaanyhow, in other news, China's take on US politics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0eU3Fr0nsY

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« Reply #1113 on: March 22, 2016, 09:55:54 AM »
Not only more entertaining than US news channels, but more informative (in the sense that all that news on a 24 hour network would take me some 20 minutes to gather.  This took a tenth of that, even before working in how much bad information would have to be sorted).  Although they seem more confident predicting a Trump victory in the general than las vegas does which is strange.
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« Reply #1114 on: March 22, 2016, 02:06:17 PM »
http://hyperallergic.com/279243/anish-kapoor-gets-exclusive-rights-to-the-worlds-darkest-pigment/

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« Reply #1115 on: March 22, 2016, 02:13:47 PM »
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It's...Black Dynamite...and this one guy is Exploiting that.  If only...we had a word for that.
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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1116 on: March 22, 2016, 11:40:40 PM »
So...people here know that there's more than one Popehat, right?  (I believe there's Ken Popehat, and Clark Popehat, and they both use the same twitter account).  One of them is right wing and kind-of a dick, one of them is left wing.

Aaaaaanyhow, in other news, China's take on US politics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0eU3Fr0nsY

Is Clark still using the Popehat twitter?  I know he broke off from the blog and formed his own.

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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1117 on: March 23, 2016, 12:01:44 PM »
He's not, but there's still two on the main one -- Ken (the lead writer on the blog) and Patrick (the more combative commie-basher).
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Re: 2016 Miscellaneous Links: The Links Awaken
« Reply #1119 on: March 28, 2016, 10:27:44 PM »
Georgia's bill - from what I can tell - was legitimately less severe than what other states had come up with.  Based on what I have read, its explicit religious exceptions applied narrowly to religious institutions.  I think if North Carolina hadn't poisoned the well with it's shockingly harmful bill, this may have passed muster.

(It's still worth vetoing, mind.  It includes RFRA language, which was benign in the 90s when passed, but has become malignant in the hands of an activist Supreme Court.)
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« Reply #1120 on: March 29, 2016, 01:28:43 PM »
Right, and he capitulated from threats of strong financial backlash. Sometimes the win doesn't come along in a satisfactory way, but it is still a win. I need to look at NC's bill, I am not familiar!

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« Reply #1121 on: March 29, 2016, 03:02:35 PM »
Right, and he capitulated from threats of strong financial backlash. Sometimes the win doesn't come along in a satisfactory way, but it is still a win. I need to look at NC's bill, I am not familiar!

NC's bill was introduced and passed in a special session, in the dead of night.  It's a radioactive, trans-phobic smorgasbord, and is already heading for a court fight.

I think NC blitzkrieg'd the bill into existence without warning specifically because they wanted to avoid giving the business community time to rise up against it, figuring if it were a done deal there wouldn't be the backlash GA saw.  That ain't going as planned.
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« Reply #1122 on: March 29, 2016, 04:54:58 PM »
It's not even just transphobic – the NC bill is:

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A bathroom law for public facilities
An anti-nondiscrimination law that blocks any local nondicrimination statute more strict than the statewide law (So, anything that covers LGBT...or veterans, as it turns out! Whoopsie.)
A minimum wage bill that forbids any municpal government from passing its own minimum wage that would be higher than the state's. Not that any of them actually had, but shit, why not?
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« Reply #1123 on: March 29, 2016, 05:19:57 PM »
I've heard it argued that it also removes ANY state right of action for employment discrimination on any basis, but it looks like it's not super clear whether the law does that and so it'll have to be decided by the courts.

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« Reply #1124 on: March 29, 2016, 05:59:02 PM »
Does it also remove private rights of action or is that the same language being reported differently?
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