Author Topic: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper (Read 148760 times)

DjinnAndTonic · « **Reply #1700 on:** February 11, 2016, 01:37:37 AM »

In this topic: People gambling responsibly and within their means. Also a guy who mocks them for it~

I do admit though, this particular banner has a bunch of Soul Breaks that all have fuckin' kickass-looking SBs, and anything that makes FF6 sprites jump around the field looking badass is worth a couple bucks to a sprite-art enthusiast like me. Most SBs aren't very visually interesting (the main trinity ones in particular), so it's nice to see them upping their game.

Cmdr_King · « **Reply #1701 on:** February 11, 2016, 01:42:21 AM »

I'll admit though, I have a certain love for the simplicity of Sentinel Grimoire's animation.

Vossler down. Strange fight, because while he has a certain ability to just go "fuck you die now" in practice it's not as dangerous as the start of the fight. Subtle things rig it in your favor; Vossler's accuracy is somewhat suspect, his MT attacks are only middling, and there's not quite enough oomph behind his major gimmick to kill you unless he slams one person at least three times which is rare due to the targetting. Assuming mitigation is up.
We're officially to the part of the game where not having SG/SSII means you can't use any other RW now though. Oddly the majority of us do somehow. Poor poor Yinodin.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #1702 on:** February 11, 2016, 02:27:15 AM »

Vossler feels a lot worse on paper, honestly. Knowing how his targetting works is about half the battle, at which point it becomes fairly controllable until the very end, where you're just blazin' your guns anyway.

So, they raised the MAG softcap in JP to something over 1000. This makes me wonder if they're going to flood the gates with stackable magic buffs. They -did- start handing 30% party-wide MAG buffs with Edward's new SB, so here's hoping.

Cotigo · « **Reply #1703 on:** February 11, 2016, 03:21:00 AM »

Yep, here comes the return of the mage meta. My hones are ready.

EDIT: FF4 event done. Was really easy. To the point where there is a video of someone doing the U+ fight with no unique SBs, Hastegas, and Walls. And I can really see it, too. Wall didn't feel like an absolute necessity here, as long as I didn't do stupid shit like trigger Valvalis' counters too much. Too bad I'm getting sick of the game a bit (and don't have enough L80 FF4 characters to go for the quest) otherwise that'd be a fun project. Oh well.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #1704 on:** February 12, 2016, 04:11:15 AM »

DUNGEON UPDATE WITH FF14 INSTEAD OF BONUS BATTLES WHAT IS THIS TRICKERY DENA

Shale · « **Reply #1705 on:** February 12, 2016, 06:30:07 PM »

Skullduggery of the highest order, I tell you.

7 hours left until the FF12 event explodes. I can probably fit the MC2 battle into that window somewhere.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #1706 on:** February 12, 2016, 07:57:56 PM »

You can and it's not a -terribly- demanding fight either (y'see, she's vulnerable to Stop). Fran isn't particularly high-priority as a Support without a char relic, but there's also the orbs.

Captain K · « **Reply #1707 on:** February 13, 2016, 12:30:45 AM »

Had a great run of Vossler going, everything going smooth... and the game crashes. fml

Shale · « **Reply #1708 on:** February 13, 2016, 02:45:12 AM »

Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu on February 12, 2016, 07:57:56 PM

You can and it's not a -terribly- demanding fight either (y'see, she's vulnerable to Stop). Fran isn't particularly high-priority as a Support without a char relic, but there's also the orbs.

Missed out - just not enough non-elemental offense to deal with somebody who resists or immunes all spammable elements. Oh well, if I'm going to miss an MC2, this is the one.

Cmdr_King · « **Reply #1709 on:** February 13, 2016, 03:28:24 AM »

Maduin down.

That was sorta relaxing after the last 4. And I outright ski[pped one of those. (you will never be forgiven Barty)

DjinnAndTonic · « **Reply #1710 on:** February 13, 2016, 05:21:16 AM »

Rushed the new event battles. Terra at Level 70 and looking to be my favorite mage for a while, despite having nothing for her to do.

I did the Maduin battle with her and Celes despite it being very VERY non-optimal (Terra's slot could have been taken by Red with his Lunatic High and breakdowns, and I could have given Firaja or Firaga Strike to Tyro or Celes). But it's the principle of it. I REALLY REALLY wish I could get a goddamn SB for Terra so I could finally use my favorite character in an optimal fight....

Anyway, something like 10 resets due to sticking to my principles of "Use Terra" and "Use Advantaliate". I would have been better off with Spellblade spam on my Cloud.

Team:

Cloud (Full RS lv 80) - Retaliate/Blizzara Strike - Swd dmg +20% - Veil of Annulment
Terra (Fake 6* Gravity Rod lv 70) - Magic Breakdown/Firaja R4 - Magic Up/Atk Down - Veil of Protection
Celes (Full RS lv 65) - Thundaga Strike R3/Dispel - Spinning Edge SB
Tyro (6* RS Thrown lv 77) - Lifesiphon/Full Break R2 - Ace Striker - SG/SSB
Yuna (Almost no RS lv 65) - Curaja R4/Shellga - DoubleStrike - Hymn of the Fayth
RW: Luneth Advance

Honestly, due to how Maduin decides to just wipe your SG mid-fight, I think using SG as a RW would actually be far more efficient than bringing Tyro with Lifesiphon/Ace Striker was. It was INCREDIBLY close trying to time both uses of SG due to not being able to gain gauge fast enough without some lucky strikes directly to Tyro. The timing of when people get turns is also incredibly close due to him cutting off my healing abilities constantly just before Yuna gets her turn. Also, Yuna not having any way to gain gauge faster is really difficult. It might have been more useful to throw Mako Might on her but then she would have been just wasting her turns during the Magic Nulling phase. Instead she was actually playing the Advantaliate game.

On my winning run, I managed to properly balance all my debuffs long enough that when he hit me with Ultimate Dispel, I had just hit him with Full Break and Magic Breakdown the turn before, and Tyro's turn came up with a single bar of SB gauge ready for Grimoire-ing. AND I still had one use of Advance left for Cloud (y'see, he Ultimate Dispel'd that two tries in row and I was like 'fuck, instant reset'). Then by some miracle, Yuna survived a Chaos Wing and got a chance to pop Hymn of the Fayth and it was smooth sailing from the there.

He just has a ton of MT pressure and his mastery requirements force you to use 3 important slots that COULD have been for mitigation. Add in randomly losing half your skillset during his Magic Nulling phase and you've got a recipe for resets.

I wanna say it was fun because it was challenging, but it was actually more of a headache than anything else due to trying to mentally juggle all the timers in my head (Retaliate, Full Break, Ultimate Dispel, Magic Null, Magic Breakdown, Advance, Sentinel's Grimoire, everyone's various charging rates for Soul Break gauge) and then praying he didn't decide to focus on any of my low-health characters when I was vulnerable...

If it were less stamina-intense, I might wanna give it a try using a different strategy (All spellbladers for damage, with a bunch of supports, and maybe a healer using non-magical healing?). Terra was just completely inefficient here, but she might have been useful if I'd had Trance Fire or Maduin's Horn. Celes could have been replaced too, but at least she was running Spellblades and has a SB for occasional burst damage. I missed Red's Hastega bad here.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #1711 on:** February 13, 2016, 12:14:51 PM »

Ultimate Maduin was pretty chumpy, no S/L involved. I didn't even put up SSII until past the Ultimate Dispel ballpark and honestly hardly felt it. He doesn't even go nuts late in the fight like the other bosses. Pretty relaxing. Also, first Ultimate battle running a full offensive summoner!

Captain K · « **Reply #1712 on:** February 13, 2016, 04:23:21 PM »

Maduin mastered, went full spellblade with Lenna, Faris, Balthier, Steiner, Bartz. Wow, I might actually have time to do some regular dungeons... from DU18.

Meeplelard · « **Reply #1713 on:** February 13, 2016, 07:44:44 PM »

All bonus fights won with my only S/L being against Inferno, who decided halfway through the fight to Petrify Terra. Decided that while I COULD win, would rather just reset now, and approach the fight better. Winning run had Setzer get petrified, but at a later point in the fight and he was contributing significantly less in the grand scheme of things (mostly stat breaks.)

It is nice that I was able to beat all the bonus fights when the first dropped but at the same time felt a little un-fulfilling? I also find it amusing that this ++ Boss is basically identical to the one in the LAST Terra event, with the only change, near as I can tell, being the orb drops...I might farm him for that actually.

Magic Fanatic · « **Reply #1714 on:** February 14, 2016, 03:35:43 AM »

Things I got today:
Ricard's RM2
Wakka's RM3
Fran's RM3
The promise that I now work on FF6 Elites
+1 Reno Level
A handful of Greater Orbs

EDIT: I suppose I should ask, but is Fran's RM3 useful for physical DPS? Kongbakpow lists it as a 13% chance, so it's... 1.234x average physical damage over time?

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #1715 on:** February 14, 2016, 04:38:49 AM »

It's tied to a proc off her basic physical, so it's worthless in any self-respecting content.

Captain K · « **Reply #1716 on:** February 14, 2016, 05:29:40 AM »

It's the same as Blue Moon Barrage from Ranger, so not very useful.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #1717 on:** February 14, 2016, 01:01:48 PM »

In somewhat pointless news: I now have R5 Maduin and Valefor. Blessed be orb conversion.

Nephrite · « **Reply #1718 on:** February 14, 2016, 11:44:01 PM »

I can deeply feel my ingrained "But I might these 56 Mega-lixirs later" syndrome striking me whenever I hear about other people's high-level hones. It's probably a result of my Advancing most things to death, but the only thing I actually have at R5 is Retaliate. Oh, Steal HP too, because fuck Yuffie's stupid battles.

I suppose it's one of those things that if you can make due with what you have, you don't necessarily need to change anything -- it's just I always feel bad when I finally hone something because I always wonder "BUT WHAT IF I NEED THEM LATERRRRRRRRR" which of course never happens.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #1719 on:** February 15, 2016, 12:22:03 AM »

Having the benefit of six-months-in-advance knowledge of where the game's gonna be and where I want my own arsenal to be is a bit of a help there. Maduin and Valefor at R5 are, above all, thinking about Summoner Abyss battle, also compounded by the fact I have relevant relic SBs for some of my Summoner PCs (Rydia's Ice Whip, Yuna's Lullaby Rod, Eiko's Golem Flute being the big-name ones). The main benefit of having those two maxed is being able to now use them as full offensive setpieces in big battles without worrying about running out of damage, and then there's the future buff to summons where they become dual-hit. The benefit from hoarding orbs is having them handy -when- you need it, but orb conversion at this point makes this less pressing a matter, since you can just exchange lower orbs for higher and make the most out of any farming you do. Mind, I still have a considerable surplus of Major Summon Orbs (as well as Wind) and Major Non-Elementals I don't have much use for now that I honed Meteor to R3 (and still have a few to spare for some relevant craft/hone), which is why I just went all the way. I had R5 Valefor planned since pretty much day 1 and Maduin felt natural once I finally gave in and crafted it.

hinode · « **Reply #1720 on:** February 15, 2016, 01:57:45 AM »

Maduin was just as easy as reports claimed it would be; Chaos Wave only did ~1600 with SS2 down (possibly Magic Breakdown as well) and was basically irrelevant with SS2+Boon RW+Magic Breakdown. The idea that Djinn would have any trouble with this fight was totally baffling with all the SBs he has... until I looked at his RM selection. Man, talk about a suboptimal lineup.

Cotigo · « **Reply #1721 on:** February 15, 2016, 02:01:23 AM »

He's also being stubborn about using Come At Me Bro strats long after they're a valid option, because I guess using a shitty boring scrub strat that doesn't work anymore is a point of pride now?

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #1722 on:** February 15, 2016, 03:44:40 AM »

The main problem with Advantaliate to me now is that it -actually requires more work- than not Advantaliating due to its annoying timing clashes. In a fight where you're not really trying to avoid counters, it's a waste of time and it also kills flexibility, along with being very demanding on your relic draws (it just DOESN'T happen anymore without a native SG/SSII at an absolute minimum). So uh yeah. It's not even a lazyman strat anymore.

Cotigo · « **Reply #1723 on:** February 15, 2016, 11:06:56 AM »

Uh, I suppose so. It's still the poor man's option mostly because you need one working decent weapon/bangle/accessory to get your damage output up instead of a set of 5, which is more what I was talking about. It was still the best option when I had no really good draws and still sub-R3 4* Hones... basically up until the FFX-2 Ultimate fight. (ignoring the fact that me misreading what stat Sun Bath actually raised probably meant I could have been trying out different strategies well before that)

You're not wrong that it's going to be worse than any other setup for people who have been playing regularly for months, but me rolling my eyes at Djinn's desire to advantaliate everything is because he's essentially going "Let's see how much content I can clear with a crutch" than any commentary about the difficulty he's going to have in doing so.

DjinnAndTonic · « **Reply #1724 on:** February 15, 2016, 12:02:47 PM »

I also went into the fight using a handicap character in SB-less, role-less Terra, and without any foreknowledge about Maduin aside from what Dr. Mog tells you in-game. There wasn't a lot to tell outside of the fact that I set those stipulations for myself and found it challenging.

Also, I'm using the suboptimal Advantaliate strategies because I don't see much talk about them anymore and while there's tons of strategies being talked about, I find it important to make sure that someone gets the Advantaliate data point while we're at it. I barely play the game anymore outside of events and grinding while I'm on the train, so I don't scour Reddit anymore for all the cool things in the game and spend hours planning my perfect party setups. Sorry. It's still fun in short bursts but parts of it feel like a chore so I'm playing it less.

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Author Topic: Record Keeping Final Fantasy Record Keeper (Read 148760 times)