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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2015, 03:06:51 AM »
I will update at noon PST tomorrow with a hold order for any unsubmitted orders.
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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2015, 10:19:52 PM »
Snowfire - France
F English Channel S English A Bur-Bel
F Middle Atlantic Ocean S F English Channel
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ruhr - Burgundy
A Picardy - Paris

Magetastica - Germany
A Mun supports A Kiel -> Ruhr
A Kiel -> Ruhr
A Tyr -> Pie

AndrewRogue - Turkey
A Greece-Serbia
A Ankara-Bulgaria F Black Sea Convoy A Ankara-Bulgaria
F Aegean Sea S-Ionian Sea
F Constantinople S A Ankara-Bulgaria F Black Sea Convoy A Ankara-Bulgaria

Sir Alex - Russia
F Sweden -> Finland
A Warsaw -> Livonia
A Galicia -> Budapest
A Vienna Support A Galicia -> Budapest
A Rumania Support A Galicia -> Budapest
F Black Sea Convoy A Ankara -> Bulgaria

Carthrat - England
Fleet St. Petersburg Support Army Yorkshire Move Norway
Fleet North Sea Convoy Army Yorkshire to Norway
Army Yorkshire Move Norway
Army Burgundy Move Belgium
Fleet Wales Hold
Fleet London Support Fleet North Sea

Excal - Austria-Hungary
No orders received - all units hold

I will see if I can figure out a way to update the map, loves.
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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2015, 01:56:09 AM »
I chatted with Ciato, who asked if I could make a map.  The answer is I can, *but* it'd probably be much easier at this point to punch the moves into whatever program Excal was using for his map-generation (it looks automated at least?), so I'd rather be lazy and not do hand-made maps if there's any prospect of Excal resuming the game.  And if I do start making maps, I'd rather it be because I'm the new GM or the like, and will be making maps here on out.

If both A) Excal doesn't show up in the next few days to confirm a continuing interest in GM'ing the game and B) The remaining 5 players wish to continue, then I'd be fine with a replacement GM/mapmaker.  I'd be willing to take over should it come to that if everyone else agrees, but let's wait a bit more on Excal first.

Snowfire - France
F English Channel S English A Bur-Bel
F Middle Atlantic Ocean S F English Channel
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ruhr - Burgundy
A Picardy - Paris

Magetastica - Germany
A Mun supports A Kiel -> Ruhr
A Kiel -> Ruhr
A Tyr -> Pie
A Den H [no moves received]
F Hol H [no moves received]

AndrewRogue - Turkey
A Greece-Serbia (*bounce* 1:1)
A Ankara-Bulgaria [via F Black Sea]
F Aegean Sea S-Ionian Sea [assumed this is really "F Aegean Sea -> Ionian Sea" as there is no fleet in the Ionian to support]
F Constantinople S A Ankara-Bulgaria

Sir Alex - Russia
F Sweden -> Finland
A Warsaw -> Livonia
A Galicia -> Budapest
A Vienna Support A Galicia -> Budapest
A Rumania Support A Galicia -> Budapest
F Black Sea Convoy A Ankara -> Bulgaria

Carthrat - England
Fleet St. Petersburg Support Army Yorkshire Move Norway
Fleet North Sea Convoy Army Yorkshire to Norway
Army Yorkshire Move Norway
Army Burgundy Move Belgium
Fleet Wales Hold
Fleet London Support Fleet North Sea

Excal - Austria-Hungary
F Bulgaria H (*dislodged*, 1:2)
A Budapest H (*dislodged*, 1:3, annihilated)
A Serbia H
F Trieste H

Legal retreat options for F Bulgaria (sc) are the Aegean Sea, or "off the board" aka disbanded.  The default IS "disband" if no options are picked, despite how stupid that would be, so it does require Excal to acknowledge he wants to retreat to the only legal square.

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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2015, 01:25:04 AM »
So is Snow the GM, now, responsible for maps and related paraphernalia?
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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2015, 02:05:38 AM »
Ciato said she was meeting up with Excal in-person today to see what's up; if there's still no word, then I will volunteer to take over the game - but only with unanimous consent, because player-GM is weird and best avoided.

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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2015, 02:26:03 AM »
I'm fine with it.

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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2015, 03:34:19 AM »
Sounds fine to me.  Assuming moves are still collected by a third party (Ciato) there shouldn't be any problems with anyone making the maps and stuff.

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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2015, 05:43:41 AM »
The issue is less the maps and more that the GM has the final say on any interp calls / rules weirdness / house rules.  For example, if I wanted to screw over Andy and I was GM, I could be a hardass and claim that "F Aegean Sea S-Ionian Sea" is gibberish and rule the move becomes just a hold.  A non-player GM would have been able to contact sooner for any unclear moves and straighten 'em up, but that's impossible for a player-GM who isn't allowed to see the moves beforehand, and can mean that there's a theoretical chance for partiality in such circumstances.  Or stupid stuff like I go on vacation and declare the game on hold, then somebody else goes on vacation and I say "tough snot, get moves in or I NMR you."

Now, I of course would never do any evil GM stuff like the above and if anything err on the side of ruling against my own interests, and just GM like I'd GM any normal game.  And hopefully the need for such rulings will be rare anyway, but it's something that can be rather uncomfortable, so it's why I'd want to address the issue outright and make sure people are cool with it.

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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2015, 05:52:54 AM »
I'm prepared to trust the snows!

Although perhaps from now on, we should be strict about move syntax so this situation is prevented going forward?
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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2015, 06:01:51 AM »
My inclination would be to be strict with people who've played a bunch (aka me) and lenient with people with <5 games under their belt, FWIW.

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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2015, 01:42:56 AM »
I generally trust you. Though that was indeed a notable failure on my part with typing.

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Re: Diplomacy: Spring 1903 (Ends: Jan 25th 2:00PM PST)
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2015, 06:20:26 AM »
Still waiting on Magetastica's confirmation.  Anyway, here's the map (assuming a retreat to the Aegean Sea):



If not clear, the coloring of the circle indicates actual control, so Budapest / Bulgaria haven't swapped control yet.  The darker shade is for home SCs.

If I'm the GM, let's say that Wednesday the 4th at midnight is the deadline.  Due to the weird circumstances of Excal's absence, I'd prefer to wait as long as possible to resolve the fate of F Bulgaria/Aegean.  If there's still no response by the end of Tuesday the 3rd, then it's retreated off the board; feel free to send Ciato two sets of orders if you're submitting early if it's that important to know whether F Aegean exists or not.

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Re: Diplomacy: Fall 1903 (Ends: Feb 4th 12:00AM EST)
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2015, 06:32:16 AM »
I updated the first post with all of the relevant information, including Snowfire's map. I changed the time zone for orders from PST to EST, assuming that is what Snowfire meant.
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Re: Diplomacy: Fall 1903 (Ends: Feb 4th 12:00AM EST)
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2015, 07:20:28 AM »
Thanks.  I'm a fan of having access to all the maps for historical reference if nothing else, so here's the Winter 1903 map now that it isn't in the opening post:

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Re: Diplomacy: Fall 1903 (Ends: Feb 4th 12:00AM EST)
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2015, 07:24:30 AM »
If Excal is no longer around I don't mind Snow being GM.

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Re: Diplomacy: Fall 1903 (Ends: Feb 4th 12:00AM EST)
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2015, 08:53:28 AM »
Also, best to mention this in advance, although with only 5 players it shouldn't be a big deal.  Here's SnowFire's deadline policy, stated in advance due to also being a player:

A) If for some reason you need an extension, contact me, and I'll probably grant it.  Ideally a bit in advance of course, it's no big deal to have a turn be 2 days longer once in awhile.
B) If moves are missing come deadline, there's an automatic 24-hour extension because maybe people just forgot.  Try not to abuse this too much.  (Alternatively, maybe deadlines are too short, and then you should also speak up.)
C) If your moves are still missing 24 hours after deadline, there's a one-time-per-person automatic 48-hour extension (so +24 hours).  If your moves still aren't in 2 days later, Ciato should feel free to post the moveset (barring other circumstances, like an extension or someone else triggering their 48-hour extension).  So if you miss the automatic 24-hour extension twice, too bad, you may be NMR'd on the second and later occurrences.
D) Until moves have been posted, it's always acceptable both to late-submit and to change previously submitted orders, no matter when the deadline was.

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Re: Diplomacy: Fall 1903 (Ends: Feb 4th 12:00AM EST)
« Reply #41 on: February 03, 2015, 11:40:54 PM »
Argh, sorry for vanishing.  That said, as things stand, Snow taking over is super, awesome, definitely for the best, and I'm glad to see that's what happened.

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Re: Diplomacy: Fall 1903 (Ends: Feb 4th 12:00AM EST)
« Reply #42 on: February 04, 2015, 02:23:35 AM »
Confirming the retreat to the Aegean Sea.

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Re: Diplomacy: Fall 1903 DEADLINE UPDATE
« Reply #43 on: February 04, 2015, 02:29:35 AM »
With about 2 hours to spare, the Bulgarian fleet makes it out before disintegrating into the inky void.

IMPORTANT: Andy requested an extension due to the weirdness, which is fair enough.  So let's say the new due date is Thursday February 5 @ midnight Eastern (the end of Thursday to be clear, not super-early Thursday morning).  Please get your moves in by then.

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Re: Diplomacy: Fall 1903 (Ends: Feb 4th 12:00AM EST)
« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2015, 03:58:51 AM »
oh geez 12 *AM* EST right.

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Re: Diplomacy: Fall 1903 (Ends: Feb 4th 12:00AM EST)
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2015, 01:06:14 AM »
Magetastica - Germany
A Pie -> Tus
A Ruhr -> Mun
A Mun -> Tyr
F Hol: HOLD
A Den: HOLD

Carthrat - England
Army Belgium Move Holland
Fleet North Sea Support Army Belgium Move Holland
Fleet London Hold
Fleet Wales Hold
Army Norway Support Fleet St. Pete Hold
Fleet St. Pete Hold

Snowfire - France
F English Channel - MAO
F MAO - W. Med
A Burgundy - Ruhr
A Paris - Burgundy
A Marseilles S A Paris-Burgundy

Sir Alex - Russia
A Budapest -> Trieste
A Vienna Support A Budapest -> Trieste
A Rumania -> Serbia
F Black Sea -> Constantinople
A Livonia -> St. Petersburg
F Finland Support A Livonia -> St. Petersburg

AndrewRogue - Turkey
F Ionian Sea-Tunis
A Greece S A Rumania-Serbia
A Bulgaria S A Rumania-Serbia
F Contantinople-Smyrna

Excal - Austria-Hungary - no orders submitted, all units hold (I know you said an automatic 24-hour extension but I am taking this as an implied "not interested in participating anymore")
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