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Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« on: August 16, 2014, 05:42:52 PM »

Dark Knight Cecil (FF4) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Ness (EB)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Albel (SO3)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Shadow (FF6)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Adachi (Pers4)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Nina (BoF2)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Gen (SaGa)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Moltres (PKMN)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Kashell (VP1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Flay (MK1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Crowley (S1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Tio (G2)

Basilio (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Basilio vs Ness (EB)
Basilio vs Albel (SO3)
Basilio vs Shadow (FF6)
Basilio vs Adachi (Pers4)
Basilio vs Nina (BoF2)
Basilio vs Gen (SaGa)
Basilio vs Moltres (PKMN)
Basilio vs Kashell (VP1)
Basilio vs Flay (MK1)
Basilio vs Crowley (S1)
Basilio vs Tio (G2)

Tharja (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Tharja vs Ness (EB)
Tharja vs Albel (SO3)
Tharja vs Shadow (FF6)
Tharja vs Adachi (Pers4)
Tharja vs Nina (BoF2)
Tharja vs Gen (SaGa)
Tharja vs Moltres (PKMN)
Tharja vs Kashell (VP1)
Tharja vs Flay (MK1)
Tharja vs Crowley (S1)
Tharja vs Tio (G2)

Cordelia (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Cordelia vs Ness (EB)
Cordelia vs Albel (SO3)
Cordelia vs Shadow (FF6)
Cordelia vs Adachi (Pers4)
Cordelia vs Nina (BoF2)
Cordelia vs Gen (SaGa)
Cordelia vs Moltres (PKMN)
Cordelia vs Kashell (VP1)
Cordelia vs Flay (MK1)
Cordelia vs Crowley (S1)
Cordelia vs Tio (G2)
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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2014, 06:52:58 PM »
Dark Knight Cecil (FF4) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Ness (EB)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Shadow (FF6)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Adachi (Pers4)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Nina (BoF2)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Gen (SaGa)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Moltres (PKMN)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Kashell (VP1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Flay (MK1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Crowley (S1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Tio (G2)

Basilio (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5) - Worst case Blind buys BM enough time.
Basilio vs Ness (EB) - Durability/healing/shields should handle Basilio here.
Basilio vs Shadow (FF6)
Basilio vs Adachi (Pers4) - Should get those two turns to land the ID.
Basilio vs Nina (BoF2) - e: OHKO
Basilio vs Gen (SaGa) - Yikes.
Basilio vs Moltres (PKMN)
Basilio vs Kashell (VP1)
Basilio vs Flay (MK1)
Basilio vs Crowley (S1)
Basilio vs Tio (G2)

Tharja (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5) - Tomebreaker kneejerk. e: except mind blast is cheap and bypasses that bullshit anyways
Tharja vs Ness (EB) - e: actually never mind the full healing is cheap and he has 44 shots of it.  100 shots of Nos aren't enough in light of that, Ness isn't going to need to heal *that* often since Tharja doesn't reliably 2HKO with anything.
Tharja vs Shadow (FF6) - Shadow mdef, should be triggering counters with anything worthwhile here.
Tharja vs Adachi (Pers4) - Unless I've been mistaken and P4 status/ID doesn't solely check Luck (and thus something I'd not consider subject to Tomebreaker) this is kind of dicey for Miss Luck Is a Dump Stat Right, I'd think.  She can pull it off if it misses being turn 1 anyways, but I dunno.
Tharja vs Nina (BoF2)  - On the other hand no reason to assume Tomebreaker doesn't work just fine here.
Tharja vs Gen (SaGa)
Tharja vs Moltres (PKMN)
Tharja vs Kashell (VP1) - No energy storing.
Tharja vs Flay (MK1) - Sure.
Tharja vs Crowley (S1) - Tomebreaker.
Tharja vs Tio (G2)

Cordelia (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Cordelia vs Ness (EB) - Heal lock.  Seriously, don't let yourself get doubled by Cordelia. e: I don't think even Shield hype helps Ness, multi-hitting isn't really kind to it.
Cordelia vs Shadow (FF6) - Kneejerking that he has this no matter what
Cordelia vs Adachi (Pers4) - Likely just overwhelms through the phys resist, Adachi HP not exactly good and he's not winning turn 1 anyways.
Cordelia vs Nina (BoF2) - Murder.
Cordelia vs Gen (SaGa)
Cordelia vs Moltres (PKMN) - e: duh, she can just start with a javelin equipped to tip things.
Cordelia vs Kashell (VP1) - Some pithy remark about phallic objects.
Cordelia vs Flay (MK1) - Think so.
Cordelia vs Crowley (S1) - Faster, I think.  Not really up to mucking with numbers to find out otherwise
Cordelia vs Tio (G2) - Kneejerk.  I guess Tio can kind of try to play it cute with buffing but I don't really think she's up to snuff here.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2014, 04:52:56 AM by Random Consonant »

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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2014, 07:00:19 PM »
Dark Knight Cecil (FF4) vs Blue Mage (FF5)- ID.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Albel (SO3)- Should be able to drain his way to a win.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Shadow (FF6)- Inviz Edge.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Adachi (Pers4)- Blocks Cecil's tricks.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Nina (BoF2)- ID.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Gen (SaGa)- Interesting fight. I think Gen wins if he 3HKOs and loses if he doesn't. Not sure if he does, so abstain for now.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Moltres (PKMN)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Kashell (VP1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Flay (MK1)- I think MK1 could block ID but it doesn't matter.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Crowley (S1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Tio (G2)


Basilio (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)- Basilio does not like mages.
Basilio vs Albel (SO3)- I.... think Aura Wall does the trick?I have a lot of respect for that.
Basilio vs Shadow (FF6)
Basilio vs Adachi (Pers4)- Status.
Basilio vs Nina (BoF2)- I think he manages a OHKO.
Basilio vs Gen (SaGa)- Don't go after Basilio with physicals.
Basilio vs Moltres (PKMN)- SEe Gen.
Basilio vs Kashell (VP1)- Kashell can survive two Basilio turns, but not three.
Basilio vs Flay (MK1)- Think his card tricks are enough here? this is a kneejerk.
Basilio vs Crowley (S1)- OHKO. Crowley is real bad against physicals.
Basilio vs Tio (G2)- Should 2HKO.

Tharja (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)- Think so. Tomebreaker's a pain in the ass but BM can drain here and Tharja offense isn't exactly mega scary.
Tharja vs Albel (SO3)- Hitting Tharja defense/status whoring/draining.
Tharja vs Shadow (FF6)- IIRC Throw procced counters in 6, which means she can drain her way to a win.
Tharja vs Adachi (Pers4)- Tharja without draining is real bad.
Tharja vs Nina (BoF2)- Tomebreaker does it's thing.
Tharja vs Gen (SaGa)- Too much offense.
Tharja vs Moltres (PKMN)-2x Thunder weakness? Kaboom.
Tharja vs Kashell (VP1)-Too much offense and durability.
Tharja vs Flay (MK1)- Kneejerk. Don't see Drill Twist triggering counters.
Tharja vs Crowley (S1)- Six shots of shining wind plus a Shredding to finish should be enough. E: Tomebreaker, n/m
Tharjavs Tio (G2)- Draining.

Cordelia (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)- Status.
Cordelia vs Albel (SO3)- High respect for Aura Wall.
Cordelia vs Shadow (FF6)
Cordelia vs Adachi (Pers4)- Doubles.
Cordelia vs Nina (BoF2)- She's doubling here. SPLAT.
Cordelia vs Gen (SaGa)- Evade.
Cordelia vs Moltres (PKMN)- Sky Attack is a horrible OHKO and Moltres can tank a single Cordy turn.
Cordelia vs Kashell (VP1)- Boom.
Cordelia vs Flay (MK1)- Don't see his skills triggering counters.
Cordelia vs Crowley (S1)- Strong, strong kneejerk. Cordy needs a OHKO.
Cordelia vs Tio (G2)- 2HKOs.
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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2014, 07:41:31 PM »
Dark Knight Cecil (FF4) vs Blue Mage (FF5) - Not sure if Blue Mage can get the EVA together to avoid that first Deathbringer strike or block death.  If he can, Frog Song/Death Claw/statusmurder.  Pretty sure Main Gauche would be able to push him over the threshold--exceeeeept Main Gauche isn't storebought.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Ness (EB) - I don't think Ness can block ID.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Albel (SO3) - Oh right. Aura Wall was a thing.  Also, blocks ID, can drain to death with VF.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Shadow (FF6) - Invisibility
Dark Knight Cecil vs Adachi (Pers4) - Abstaining because P4 doesn't have any darkness-elemental damage.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Nina (BoF2) - Cecil's faster on the draw here.

Basilio (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5) Blue Mage is blocking one of those hits.  Frog Song's coming out.
Basilio vs Ness (EB) - Probably gets blocked by shields and Rockin' gets around counters and Counter.
Basilio vs Albel (SO3) - Aura Wall, murder with Air Slashes/dragon in the meantime.
Basilio vs Shadow (FF6) - Invisibility
Basilio vs Adachi (Pers4) - probably IDs
Basilio vs Nina (BoF2) - Kneejerking she survives a hit and IDs

Tharja (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5) - TOMEBREAKER. Okay, Gate has a point.  Willing to put this in favor of Blue Mage due to those.  FE versus Status.
Tharja vs Ness (EB) - Tomebreaker+Nos probably does it.
Tharja vs Albel (SO3) - Albel's draining is better.  Also Aura Wall.
Tharja vs Shadow (FF6) - Invisibility won't work here.  Pretty sure Shadow murders her anyway?
Tharja vs Adachi (Pers4) - abstaining
Tharja vs Nina (BoF2) - ...I think Tomebreaker might actually stave off Death long enough here--and exposes Nina

Cordelia (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5) - Status probably wins.
Cordelia vs Ness (EB) - She heal-locks?  Huh.
Cordelia vs Albel (SO3) - Think Aura Wall might make it anyway.
Cordelia vs Shadow (FF6) - Not sure on this one
Cordelia vs Adachi (Pers4) - I think she just murders him?
Cordelia vs Nina (BoF2) - Murders.
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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2014, 08:02:03 PM »
As a note, FF5 Blue Magic is not shut down by silence and cannot be Doublecast like every other magic can. There's a good argument for it counting as different enough to get past tomebreaker.
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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2014, 04:25:02 AM »
I'll note that while Blue Magic is definitely mechanically magic for many other purposes, it doesn't matter because Mind Blast always hits (always always, it ignores even the Aegis Shield) and always inflicts paralysis so it's moot.


Dark Knight Cecil (FF4) vs Blue Mage (FF5): Blue Mage has FF5 shields which are badass and make Deathbringer turn 2, then Mind Blast spam forever.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Albel (SO3): Immunes death, should manage from there.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Shadow (FF6): Anti-physical tricks.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Nina (BoF2): Faster.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Gen (SaGa): Deflect+Kasumi backed by an ID blocker is just too much for Cecil to handle.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Moltres (PKMN): Should break out of Fire Spin in time to land the killing blow.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Kashell (VP1): Um yeah Kashell has some evade but lol.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Flay (MK1): No ID blockers in MK1 (if that even matters).
Dark Knight Cecil vs Crowley (S1): Or here.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Tio (G2): Or here.

Basilio (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5): Mindblast spam.
Basilio vs Albel (SO3): Don't see Aura Wall as turn 1, so Albel explodes.
Basilio vs Shadow (FF6): Vanish.
Basilio vs Nina (BoF2): Yeah, OHKO looks right.
Basilio vs Gen (SaGa): Apparently Lifesprinkler isn't considered melee. That's... eh, reasonable enough given its animation I suppose. Basilio still has Hand Axe counters and is hardy enough to only be 3HKOed... but Deflect is a problem. Hand Axe the initial hit, Hand Axe again, counter Hand Axe, go for the kill with a Brave Axe. Once factoring in all of Gen's evade nonsense, even before any WTD concerns, that's... yeah not even two thirds of Gen's HP.
Basilio vs Moltres (PKMN): Fire Spin is ST so triggers counters, lol it. Moltres isn't anywhere near Heavy without it.
Basilio vs Kashell (VP1): Melee attacks. Sure thing Kashy.
Basilio vs Flay (MK1): Blocking lets him survive two Basilio turns, and he can unleash Buster Star and get in 6-7 shots before Basilio's third turn, which does enough (1.47 PCHP from 6 shots).
Basilio vs Crowley (S1): 0.53 pdur Crowley, really?
Basilio vs Tio (G2): 2HKOs, isn't 2HKOed.

Tharja (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5): See above. (Rest of Tharja votes later.)
Tharja vs Albel (SO3): Tharja needs to land four consecutive shots of Waste before Albel kills. Assuming his draining works anyway... that MP cost is a thing. Dunno what I think of Albel draining MP from people who don't have it. Abstain for now.
Tharja vs Shadow (FF6): Shadow MDef.
Tharja vs Nina (BoF2): I think Tomebreaker just wrecks Nina too badly, it lets Tharja 2HKO her to boot.
Tharja vs Gen (SaGa): Gen 2HKOs, but Nosferatu tanking makes it a 3HKO. With countes, Tharja certainly isn't failing to 4HKO so yeah.
Tharja vs Moltres (PKMN): Moltres vs. counters = nope.
Tharja vs Kashell (VP1): Kashell HP should let him survive Tharja's assault, and then he barely OHKOs with a soul crush.
Tharja vs Flay (MK1): Why on earth wouldn't Drill Twist trigger counters, it's a freaking ST attack! Thaaat said timed cards don't... except their startup turn. So he can only trigger one counter, then finish with Screwdriver. Think that works, with Last Stand to give him a push?
Tharja vs Crowley (S1): Tomebreaker means Crowley doesn't really make any progress.
Tharja vs Tio (G2): Tio's not too great.

Cordelia (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5): Shield ensures he isn't one-shotted or anything like that, then Mind Blast.
Cordelia vs Albel (SO3): One-shots Albel. There aren't enough lulz in the world for Aura Wall being turn 1 against a lance-using pegasus knight.
Cordelia vs Shadow (FF6): Dark Flier probably has an argument here since Brave Lance can somewhat deal with image and magic with vanish... but yeah no, falcon knight lock for me.
Cordelia vs Nina (BoF2): Ow.
Cordelia vs Gen (SaGa): Cordelia needs five Brave Lance thwacks to win this, but Gen's evade/deflect/etc. is hugely problematic. I'm not certain he's doubled either, that's really close. Seeing as he 2HKOs her going first, even a Javelin counter won't matter and yeah, he has this.
Cordelia vs Moltres (PKMN): Javelins.
Cordelia vs Kashell (VP1): Doubles and counters, and goes first, meaning six attacks... yeah I think 288 damage is handling Kashell whatever evade credit I give him.
Cordelia vs Flay (MK1): Two-rounds him even through the evade. Flay doesn't kill things before his second turn generally.
Cordelia vs Crowley (S1): Think she barely doubles. She also barely misses the OHKO, and barely isn't OHKOed herself. Lots of close shaves here.
Cordelia vs Tio (G2)

Cordelia 7-3
Tharja 6-3
Basilio 6-4
DK Cecil 6-4
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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2014, 03:49:14 AM »
Dark Knight Cecil (FF4) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Ness (EB)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Albel (SO3)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Shadow (FF6)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Adachi (Pers4)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Nina (BoF2)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Gen (SaGa)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Moltres (PKMN)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Kashell (VP1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Flay (MK1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Crowley (S1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Tio (G2)

Basilio (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Basilio vs Ness (EB)
Basilio vs Albel (SO3)
Basilio vs Shadow (FF6)
Basilio vs Adachi (Pers4)
Basilio vs Nina (BoF2)- Would have to check my notes
Basilio vs Gen (SaGa)
Basilio vs Moltres (PKMN)
Basilio vs Kashell (VP1)
Basilio vs Flay (MK1)
Basilio vs Crowley (S1)
Basilio vs Tio (G2)[/b]- Basilio needs 3 attacks to win (because 35% evade for Tio=she'll evade one of the first two on average). But he can take that. Otherwise, Counter wins the day.

Basilio needs to connect twice pretty quickly. Given Tio's speed base evade, good speed and the fact that she's increasing both at once, it's generally difficult to get past her. So it definitely can happen, but seems like the odds are in her favor.

Tharja note of bafflement: Tomebreaker hype...for...pure status spells? Okay...I see where RES is historically hyped for FE, but...status spells...were staves? So Tomes have never gotten status, so I'm not sure why Tomebreaker would.
Tharja (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Tharja vs Ness (EB)- That ID will get Tharja, and Ness durability+healing=he'll have the chances to use it.
Tharja vs Albel (SO3)
Tharja vs Shadow (FF6)- Well, unfortunately for Tharja here, Throw is clearly something that would be 1-2 range in FE, so no counters. Admittedly...I'm not mathing this out, but don't think the draining keeps up enough here.
Tharja vs Adachi (Pers4)
Tharja vs Nina (BoF2)
Tharja vs Gen (SaGa)
Tharja vs Moltres (PKMN)
Tharja vs Kashell (VP1)
Tharja vs Flay (MK1)
Tharja vs Crowley (S1)
Tharja vs Tio (G2

Cordelia later since I need my notes for her.

Cordelia (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Cordelia vs Ness (EB)
Cordelia vs Albel (SO3)
Cordelia vs Shadow (FF6)
Cordelia vs Adachi (Pers4)
Cordelia vs Nina (BoF2)- Will need to check if her evade saves her later.
Cordelia vs Gen (SaGa)
Cordelia vs Moltres (PKMN)
Cordelia vs Kashell (VP1)
Cordelia vs Flay (MK1)
Cordelia vs Crowley (S1)- Shining Wind means she basically needs to kill in a hit (which she might. I need to check my averages here too).
Cordelia vs Tio (G2) - Turn 1: Tio- Buff
Turn 1: C- Attack (Hit likely. 65% chance to hit)
Turn 2- Tio- Buff
Turn 2: C- Attack (Miss; Tio has a 65% chance of turn 1 or turn 2 missing)
Turn 3- Tio- Buff
Turn 4- Tio- Buff (She definitely doubles here. Whisper to the Stars is 140% speed turn 1 with the +5 Speed Weapon. The second one comes off at 155.8% speed.)
Turn 3: C- Attack (And Miss Probably! Tio has now buffed 4 times. Her evade is near 75%)
Turn 4: Tio- Buffs, is now immune to evadable physicals.

  So not impossible, but feels like Tio has better overall chances.

Cecil 7-5
Basilio 4-7 (More of a spoiler in Heavy than a legit Heavy)
Tharja 4-8 (Clear Middle to me. Against, Tomebreaker helping against items that are Staves in FE seems weird).
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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2014, 04:08:14 AM »
Dhyer: I'm pretty much with you as far as lolnope to Tomebreaker stopping the likes of Nina's Death, but since FEA *breakers clearly care about the "weapon" used in the attack, if somehow there was a pure status effect that blatantly originates from a book / tome, Tomebreaker should definitely work there!

Random: Dunno Ness, but if the battle goes THAT long to exhaust Tharja's Nos tomes, can Tharja RUIN strats help out?  It's not much of a damage boost over a lucky double Waste connection, but it might induce Ness to heal faster than he'd like.  (A Tharja Ruin crit would be 69 FEA damage if my math is right, and 50% crit is pretty badass.)

Basilio (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Basilio vs Albel (SO3) - Uh, was SO3 status affected by Magic Resist at all?  Aura Wall is turn 1 if it is....  tempted to lean that way anyway.  EDIT: Elf claims the hit rate is worse than expected, so sure, Albel can't drain his way out of trouble here.
Basilio vs Shadow (FF6)
Basilio vs Nina (BoF2) - Apparently a OHKO by Dhyer's numbers...
Basilio vs Kashell (VP1)
Basilio vs Tio (G2)

Tharja (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Tharja vs Albel (SO3) Status + Draining.
Tharja vs Shadow (FF6) - Wasted.
Tharja vs Nina (BoF2) - This is definitely the kind of way Tharja would want to die.
Tharja vs Kashell (VP1)
Tharja vs Tio (G2)

Cordelia (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5) - BM is 31.8% dodgier than average, but Cordelia is 3 SKL higher than average.  Huh.  Sadly Cordelia does need all 4 hits to connect to one-round, so SIGH.
Cordelia vs Albel (SO3) - Yeah this is a slaughter, see Elf.
Cordelia vs Shadow (FF6) - Shadow BARELY misses the 2HKO on Dark Flier Cordelia for me (no Falchions, just Ninja Stars).  Cordy should KO off 2x Brave Lance attacks + a Thoron counter...  although Interceptor can screw up the Brave Lance hits and Thoron can miss.  So...  yeah, Cordelia doesn't win after all, Shadow is happy his stuff is unblockable while Cordy can't turn off Interceptor.
Cordelia vs Nina (BoF2)
Cordelia vs Kashell (VP1)
Cordelia vs Tio (G2) - The buff strategy is interesting, but nah. 

Cordelia: 4-2
Ciato: 4-2
Tharja: 2-4
« Last Edit: August 22, 2014, 08:35:07 PM by SnowFire »

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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2014, 06:54:41 PM »
CT's post in the SO3 RPGmon thread calls Aura Wall 30% chance of confuse. Dhyer's tests in his own stat topic call it 20%. It shouldn't be turn 1 against much of anything.

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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2014, 08:30:33 PM »
I was more going off the old hype - OK's topic claims it's 5% hit off 28 hits, which would mean it technically has a 76% chance of triggering on turn 1 if taken literally.  That said, I can see 5% as "ball park guesstimate" so maybe it really is more like a 1% chance (which would give a ~25% chance on turn 1 as suspected off 28 hits).  I didn't use Albel much, myself, so what do I know...

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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2014, 04:11:29 AM »
Dark Knight Cecil (FF4) vs Blue Mage (FF5)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Ness (EB)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Albel (SO3)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Shadow (FF6)   I see Dark Wave piercing vanish and image.  Don't respect its damage and then there's the fact it costs 1/8 of Cecil's Max HP.  Shadow Edge still buys Shadow enough time to kill first.
Dark Knight Cecil vs Adachi (Pers4)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Nina (BoF2)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Gen (SaGa)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Moltres (PKMN)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Kashell (VP1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Flay (MK1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Crowley (S1)
Dark Knight Cecil vs Tio (G2)

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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2014, 02:21:24 AM »
I was more going off the old hype - OK's topic claims it's 5% hit off 28 hits, which would mean it technically has a 76% chance of triggering on turn 1 if taken literally.  That said, I can see 5% as "ball park guesstimate" so maybe it really is more like a 1% chance (which would give a ~25% chance on turn 1 as suspected off 28 hits).  I didn't use Albel much, myself, so what do I know...

SO 3 Confusion sucks badly in the DL since it's so easy to be knocked out of. Albel's Aura Wall has about a 20% of leaving the enemy in a Confused state because it's also great at knocking them out of Confusion.
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Re: Proving grounds m/h: FE13 and a cameo from Cecil.
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2014, 07:01:12 PM »
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey (FF4) vs Blue Mage (FF5) - Aegis Shield => Blue Magery.
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Ness (EB) - Death.
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Albel Nox (SO3) - No death, Vampiric Flash takes care from there.
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Shadow (FF6) - No death, no physicals.
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Tohru Adachi (Pers4) - Why does Cecil's elemental reliance even -matter- here? He's ID-bait and 4HKOs Adachi anyway. That's not working out for him.
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Nina Wyndia (BoF2) - Faster death.
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Gen (SaGa) - No death -and- the parry game does horrible things to his offense anyway.
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Moltres (PKMN) - Death.
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Kashell (VP1) - :darkknightcecil:
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Flay Gunnar (MK1) - :dkcecil:
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Crowley (S1) - :dkc:
Dark Knight Cecil Harvey vs Tio (G2) - :donkeykongcountry:

7-5. DKC Tropical ID.

Basilio (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5) - Mind Blast is pretty great against PCs, yeah.
Basilio vs Ness (EB) - Pure physical slugfesting against Ness, that's working out great.
Basilio vs Albel Nox (SO3) - I really have no idea what the hell can Albel do here, confusion isn't really great and he rams into Basilio's horrifying anti-melee game if he wants to do anything worthwhile.
Basilio vs Shadow (FF6) - Invis Edge.
Basilio vs Tohru Adachi (Pers4) - Basilio only 3HKOs Adachi, so yeah, Mudoon takes care of this.
Basilio vs Nina Wyndia (BoF2) - Nina2 pdur is noticeably sub-Yulie, who gets borderline OHKOed by Basilio herself at -best-. Uh yeah.
Basilio vs Gen (SaGa) - Lifesprinkler not being melee likely tips this definitely to Gen. WTA and the evade game certainly don't -hurt-.
Basilio vs Moltres (PKMN) - HAND AXE COUNTERS yeah that probably does a number on Fire Spin spam anyway.
Basilio vs Kashell (VP1) - WTD is a slight problem, but uh I think Kashell doesn't even 2HKO Basilio and he's slamming into counters and Counter all day long. Very poor combination against Basilio.
Basilio vs Flay Gunnar (MK1) - Buster Star spamming sure works.
Basilio vs Crowley (S1) - Congrats, Crowley, you're physically frailer than Marle.
Basilio vs Tio (G2) - Tio's not too good.

6-6. Yeah, that's a pretty balanced performance.

Tharja (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5) - Mindblast soloing this field so far.
Tharja vs Ness (EB) - I even -do- understand people kneejerking against Tomebreaker vs. status magic, but eh. There are actually a couple precedents for non-staff-based magical status in the series (FE8's petrify long-ranged tome, FE5's poison tomes, both of which ram against evasion), so I'm okay with that alternative. This fight, regardless, is utterly bizarre. Psi Rockin' is a no-no (Tomebreaker makes it fail and it really eats into Ness' resources) and his offensive alternative against Tharja gets -entirely nulled by Nosferatu- outside criticals... which, in turn, get handled by counter+Nos on average. And, uh, his base accuracy on the status spells is 50%, this doesn't get past Tomebreaker ever. Pretty sad.
Tharja vs Albel Nox (SO3) - I s'pose. Don't think I see MP draining working against people without MP.
Tharja vs Shadow (FF6) - Shadow no likey mages.
Tharja vs Tohru Adachi (Pers4) - Bolganone and Tomebreaker handle Adachi, surely.
Tharja vs Nina Wyndia (BoF2) - Welp, that's a 2HKO.
Tharja vs Gen (SaGa) - sure why not
Tharja vs Moltres (PKMN) - Counters vs. Fire Spin, arguable Tomebreaker shenanigans -and- Thoron hits a weakness. That's some pretty fireworks.
Tharja vs Kashell (VP1) - I s'pose.
Tharja vs Flay Gunnar (MK1) - Burping Elfboy, mostly.
Tharja vs Crowley (S1) - Tomebreaker makes Crowley pretty danged sad.
Tharja vs Tio (G2) - Um.

9-3. Uh this was weird.

Cordelia (FE13) vs Blue Mage (FF5) - Aegis Shield to the rescue once again.
Cordelia vs Ness (EB) - EDIT: Shield lasts three -hits- instead of three turns? Yeah, this is just hello-goodbye. There's a chance Ness might run her out of Brave Lance charges -anyway-, but I'm inclined to see a double happening before that holistically.
Cordelia vs Albel Nox (SO3) - lol OHKO.
Cordelia vs Shadow (FF6) - nope.jpg
Cordelia vs Tohru Adachi (Pers4) - Cordelia two-rounds Adachi and his damage just isn't good enough to get her even hitting weakness, nor is his ID accurate enough. His physical resistance can only go so far.
Cordelia vs Nina Wyndia (BoF2) - Holy crap, she's dangerously close to -OHKOing- Nina. Not one-rounding, OHKOing.
Cordelia vs Gen (SaGa) - Rule of thumb: if you're non-negligibly above average, you avoid doubles from Cordy. That said, don't think it matters much: Gen's anti-physical game works wonders here and he 2HKOs himself.
Cordelia vs Moltres (PKMN) - Javelin tossing works out its magic.
Cordelia vs Kashell (VP1) - Going melee against Cordelia when you get doubled, this is such a great idea, Kashy.
Cordelia vs Flay Gunnar (MK1) - Cordy offense is just ravenous against the slow. Even Blocker isn't enough to slow this down and Flay has no hope of killing her before his second turn.
Cordelia vs Crowley (S1) - Actually, I -think- she just OHKOs. Close, though.
Cordelia vs Tio (G2) - She doesn't double, but that doesn't -matter- much. Tio offense is pretty anemic and I don't really have much respect for G2 evade.

9-3. Welp. Don't let the Peggy double you, kids.

Also, out of idle curiosity...

Quote from: DragonKnight Zero
Dark Knight Cecil vs Shadow (FF6)   I see Dark Wave piercing vanish and image.  Don't respect its damage and then there's the fact it costs 1/8 of Cecil's Max HP.  Shadow Edge still buys Shadow enough time to kill first.

I really have to ask, why precisely? In both games, Image/Vanish wall literally all physical-typed attacks, regardless of being evadable or not (and I don't think Dark Wave is even -proven- to rock ITE). I guess the argument would be there if MT physicals got past it, but I can't even remember if there -are- enemy MT physicals in FF4, and I'm pretty sure stuff like Ultros' tentacle (both MT -and- ITE) doesn't break through FF6 Vanish either...
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