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Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin (PCs)
« on: August 28, 2008, 12:08:36 AM »
From Fenrir

*Illusionary Dance starts playing*


Level is 40.

Stuff like "1.5x per second" next to attack is the rate of the attack if spammed.
Every character has the same starting HP and HP growths, but some have access to more HP Ups than others (The mains get the ones from Wind's quests, and the sisters miss the one in the stairway to Drac since their game stops at Brauner)

Nest of Evil stuff isn't allowed in general. Otherwise, everything that's unique, storebought or gotten from enemy drops is.

Arguably only the two mains should be considered for the averages, so there will be averages with everyone and with only them.

Damage tests done against mud golems. Average resistances and average-ish defenses - Marry me mud golems.

About elements, Castlevanias are a special case.
74 enemies out of 129 (And 8 bosses out of 26) are weak to the whip element.
71 (And 9 bosses) are weak to fire.
57 (And 16 bosses) are weak to piercing damage.
69 (and 10 bosses) are weak to holy, and about the same are srong to dark.
You could cut those elements some slack in the DL, I guess. Vampire Killer is whip/holy, and is much better than the numbers suggest in game as such.

Stats:
HP: -
MP: -
Attack: 2 attack points = 1 point more physical damage dealt.
Defense: 2 defense points = 1 point less physical damage received.
Int: Affects spell damage. How much Intelligence is factored in depends on the spell.
Mnd: 2 mind points = 1 point less magical damage received.
Luck: Affects status resistance, perhaps.
I completely threw constitution and strength out of the topic since they couldn't matter less.

Elements:
Blunt: Physical.
Piercing: Physical.
Whip: Physical.
Fire: Magical
Ice: Magical
Thunder: Magic
Dark: Magical
Holy: Magical
Poison: Everything that's related to the status. (Usual lose HPs at an incredibly slow rate)
Curse: Everything that's related to the status. (Massive MP draining)
Petrify: Everything that's related to the status. (Can't move for about 3 seconds)

Phew.


[size=18]Jonathan Morris[/size]



HP: 740
MP: 465
Attack: 114
Defense: 85
Intelligence: 37
Mind: 39
Luck: 23
Speed: Slow, with Griffon Wing.
Heals 2 MPs per second

Undead Killer: 68, whip. Automatically kills the undead. 1.5x per second. Special: 136
Vampire Killer: 81, whip + holy. 1.5x per second. Special: 154
Holy Claymore: 93, piercing + holy. 1.2x per second. Special: 103
Kaiser Knuckles: 50, blunt. Hits two times. 3x per second. Special: 50
Golden Axe: 114, piercing. 1x per second. Special: 154

Knife: 25 per hit, piercing. Throws three knives forward. 1.5x per second. 20 MPs.
Axe: 83, piercing. Throws an axe upward. 1.5x per second. 22 MPs.
Cross: 62 per hit, holy. Throws a cross that stays in the air for a few moments before going back to Jonathan. Should hit a normal guy 3 times. 1.5x per second, but only two crosses can be on screen at the same time, meaning he has to use a physical every two crosses. 30 MPs.
Holy Water: 34 per hit, holy. Throws a bottle of holy water that creates a holy fire on the ground that slowly advances, hitting a normal human... Around 3 times? And 5 times max. 25 MPs.
Bible: 47 per hit, holy. The Bible floats around and hits average size people around 5 times over 4 seconds. 22 MPs.
Javelin: 47, piercing. Just throws a javelin. 1.5x per second. 25 MPs.
Ricochet Rock: 62 per hit, piercing. Throws two rock that bounce around the room. In an arena, uh... It only hits twice. 1.5x per second. 22 MPs.
Boomerang: 62 per hit, piercing. Throws some boomerang. Should only hit once. 1.5x per second. 28 MPs.
Bwaka Knife: 34 per hit, piercing. THrows some... circular knife that hits human size targets two times. 1.5x per second. 22 MPs.
Shuriken: 47 per hit, piercing. Throws four shurikens on the ground. 1.5x per second on paper, but they can't be used in a row for the same reason as the cross. 20 MPs.
Yagyu Shuriken: 62, piercing. Throws one shuriken forward, hits human size targets two times. 1.5x per second. 24 MPs.
Discus: 55 per hit, piercing. 2... bladed things... Would take too long to explain. It hits three times. 1.5x per second, but only two discs can be on screen at the same time, meaning he has to use a physical every two crosses. 32 MPs.
Kunimitsu: 68, piercing. Throws four knives forward, but all of them together only hit once. 1.5x per second. 24 MPs.
Kunai: 34, piercing. Throws 5 knives in different directions forward. 1.5x per second on paper, but they can't be used in a row. Obviously more hits get in the closer you are to the enemy. 20 MPs.
Paper Airplane: 34, piercing. It... Yeah. 1.5x per second. 3 MPs.
Cream Pie: 34, blunt + dark. Throws a pie for psychological damage. Massively stylish. 1.5x per second. 3 MPs.
Crossbow: 110, fire. It's like a gun in DoS. Hits once. 1.5x per second. 24 MPs.
Dart: 19 per hit, piercing. Only one hit normally. Way more if the dart hits the center of the target, but still not noteworthy enough in the DL. 1.5x per second. 3 MPs.
Grenade: 62, fire. Throws a grenade that explodes after one second. Hits once. 1.5x per second. 28 MPs.
Steel Ball: 105, blunt. Throws some steel ball at very close range. Should only hit once. 1.5x per second. 30 MPs.
Stonewall: Raises his defenses massively, but makes him unable to act. 24 MPs.
Offensive form: +8 attack, so +4 damage. Lasts 30 seconds. 25 MPs.
Defensive form: +8 defense, so -4 damage taken. Lasts 30 seconds. 25 MPs.
Taunt: Draws enemy attention to you! 10 MPs.
Wrecking Ball: 77, blunt. SHOWTIME! It's just like the hammer throwing olympic game, without the throwing. Hits 2.5x per second an average size target. 25 MPs.
Rampage: 41, blunt. Hits 4 times, very close range. Horrible in game, not worth talking about it. 20 MPs.
Knee Strike: 100, blunt. Remember Double Dragon 2? Yeah. 1.5x per second. 20 MPs.
Aura Blast: 68, holy. Releases a wave of energy around him, hits once. 1.5x per second. 40 MPs.
Rocket Slash: 77, piercing. Moves through a short distance at high speed, damaging everything in the area. 1x per second. 40 MPs.

Equipment
Bolded equipment = Default for stat topic purposes.

Body:
Samurai Plate
Ancient Armor (Any damage reduces HP by 10% of maximum HP. 10HKOed by everything.)
Berserker Mail (+50% Atk, -55 Def, -40 Mnd)
Healing Mail (-28 Def, -10 Mnd, heals 2 HPs every second when walking. Helps against Shiho)
Heavy Armor (+10% Atk, + 15 Def, +30 Mnd, makes Jonathan's walking speed godawful)

Head:
Attica Helmet
Samurai Helmet (-10% Atk, +7 Def)

Legs:
Samurai Leggings

Accessory:
2x Elven Cape
Hercules Ring (-4 Def, -5 Mnd, being damaged doesn't stop Jonathan from acting for a second anymore)
Skull Ring (+10% Atk, -2 Def, +1 Int, +6 Mnd, -13 Lck, nukes wearer's MPs)


[size=18]Charlotte Auris[/size]



HP: 740
MP: 465
Attack: 51
Defense: 52
Intelligence: 77
Mind: 56
Luck: 23
Speed: Slow
Halves Fire/Electricity
Heals 4 MPs per second
Notes about Charlotte's spells:
CT = Charge time.
Every spell has two charge phases. The first one is often near instant. If Charlotte stops charging after the first charging phase is over, the spell will be at half effectiveness. The second phase has a fixed time of around 0.75 seconds, and give the spells full power.
The CT indicated here is with fully powered spells unless fully powering them brings nothing though. (See: Toad Morph) Fully powering them up is often worth it as after charging a spell Charlotte takes one second casting it before being able to move again.
Even after being able to move she can't use a spell until the other is finished (and so is forced to physical), which takes no time for lightning spells, 1 second for the fast spells, and a bit more than 2 seconds for the slow spells like Hex.
If she's attacked during the charge, the spell is cancelled.
Her status up spells last for one minute, which is forever in a duel.

Tome of Arms X physical: 55. 1.5x per second.
Tome of Arms 3 physical: 62. 1.5x per second.

I'll list everything, but her best damage options are:
Hex + 3 physicals: 1110, 4 seconds total time
Salamander + 8 physicals: 1744, 9 seconds total time

- Toad Morph: Turns herself into a frog and turns her frog self back into herself. Watch out Cait. 1/4 second CT. 10 MPs
- Owl Morph: Same, except it turns her into an owl. 1/4 second CT. 10 MPs
- Sanctuary: Cures status ailments, and turns the undead back to normal. 5 seconds CT. 80 MPs
- Speed Up: Cast instantly, it gives her Richter level speed. Cast fully, double that. Touching an enemy under that spell does 46 damage. 1 second CT. 20 MPs
- Berserker: Makes her spam her physical at double damage without moving. 1 second CT. 20 MPs
- Eye for an eye: Automatically damage any enemy that attacks her with a short range physical. The damage done largely seems to depend on the overall strength of the monster, it deals aroud 134 damage to Mudmen and less than 50 to Drac. 1 second CT. 15 MPs
- Clear Skies: Makes the area around her block every ranged attack. 1 second CT. 15 MPs
- Time Stop: Stops time for 11 seconds (inculding the 1 second casting time). 1 second Charge Time. Doesn't work on bosses and on some randoms. In the DL, I'd say full status immunity > it. Unequipping it cancels the spell, so she can only use it with physicals. 975 damage all in all. 50 MPs
- Heal: Heals 100 HPs. 2 seconds CT. 200 MPs
- Cure Poison: Cures poison. Your descriptions are always so helful Fenrir why thank you. 1 second CT. 10 MPs
- Cures Curse: Cures curse. 1 second CT. 10 MPs
- STR/CON/INT/MND boosts: Raises attack/defense/intelligence/mind by 30 points. 1 second CT. 10 MPs
- LCK boost: Raises luck by 60 points. 1 second CT. 10 MPs
- ALL boost: Raises all stats by 15 points. 1.5 second CT. 30 MPs
- Rock Riot: 104 per rock, blunt. 1 second CT. Six rocks fall on the enemy at very short range. There's a good chance the target will have moved on before getting hit 6 times though. 20 MPs
- Gale Force: 144, piercing. 1 second CT. A boomerang like attacks that covers all the screen but should only hit one enemy once. 20 MPs
- Raging Fire: 86 per hit, fire. 1 second CT. Usual fire flame thing, good range. Hits twice. 20 MPs
- Ice Fang: 182, ice. 1 second CT. Some ice fang goes slowly through the whole screen. Should only hit once in a human duel. 20 MPs
- Thunderbolt: 202, thunder. 1 second CT. Pretty much impossible to avoid, hits one time only. 20 MPs
- Spirit of Light: 144, holy. 1 second CT. Pretty much impossible to avoid, hits one time only. 20 MPs
- Dark Rift: 66 per hit, dark. 1 second CT. Creates a dark rift that constantly damages everything around it for about 20 seconds. 1.5x rate per second. This stuff owns Zeon. 20 MPs
- Tempest: 104 per hit, piercing. 1 second CT. Creates a tempest that constantly damages everything around it for aboud 4 seconds. 1.5x rate per second. 30 MPs
- Stone Circle: 66, blunt. 1 second CT. Creates a shield made of rocks around Charlotte that lasts 30 seconds. Hits people who use short range physicals skills on her once I suppose. 30 MPs
- Ice Needle: 66 per needle, ice. 1 second CT. Creates 8 needles that hover for a while around Charlotte then are thrown in front of Charlotte. 30 MPs
- Explosion: 182, fire. 1 second CT. Couldn't be simpler, attacks an enemy automatically, and hits only once. 30 MPs
- Chain Lightning: 202, thunder. 1 second CT. Impossible to avoid, hits one time. 30 MPs
- Piercing Beam: 104 per hit, holy. 1 second CT. Hits stuff directly in front of Charlotte twice. 30 MPs
- Nightmare: 86, dark. 1 second CT. A giant slow ball that should hit twice in front of Charlotte. 30 MPs
- Summon Medusa: 66, dark + petrify. 1 second CT. Hits everything in its direction once. The status never seems to work on monsters with average resistances and is 100% to monsters weak against it. 25 MPs
- Acidic Bubbles: 66 per hit, blunt + poison. 1 second CT. Throws 9 bubbles directly in front of her rapidly in a slightly varying direction, so it's more effective at close range. I'd say only one or two hits don't get in in the DL. Poison also isn't accurate. 25 MPs
- Hex: 66 per hit, dark + curse. 1 second CT. Hits stuff directly in front of Charlotte at long range rapidly 14 times. Where did this godly spell come from? The curse status is innacurate. 25 MPs
- Salamander: 104 per hit, fire. 2 seconds CT. Fire dragon that homes in at the enemy and hits 12 times over 6 seconds. 120 MPs
- Cocytus (aftergame ability): 104 per hit, ice. 2 seconds CT. Hits stuff in front of her 10 times over 2 seconds, hard to avoid. 120 MPs
- Thor's Bellow (aftergame ability): 144 per hit, thunder. 2 seconds CT. Hits the enemy automatically 5 times over 4 seconds. 120 MPs
- Summon Crow: 46 per hit, piercing. 1 second CT. Summons 4 crows who each home in at the enemy every 5 seconds, alsts 1 minute. Would be good if it didn't fully prevent her from using other spells. 40 MPs
- Summon Ghost: 46 per hit, dark. 1 second CT. Summons 2 ghosts who home in at the enemy alternatively every 5 seconds, lasts 1 minute. Each ghost attack hits the enemy a multiple number of times, depending on its size. ~Twice for humans. 40 MPs
- Summon Skeleton: 104 per hit, blunt. 1 second CT. Summons 4 skeletons who each throw a bone like a Castlevania main throws an axe and disappear imediatly. 20 MPs
- Summon Gunman: 124, piercing. 1 second CT. Summons 4 gunmen who shoot in front of Charlotte and disappear. 20 MPs
- Summon Frog: 66, ice. 1 second CT. Last but not least, summons 6 frogs who... just slowly walk around disappear after five seconds. 20 MPs

Equipment

Body:
Dalmatica
Robe Decollete (+5 Def, -5 Int, +5 Mnd, +5 Lck)

Head:
Holy Veil
Arachne Hennin (+2 Def, -7 Int, +3 Mnd, +3 Lck)

Legs:
Succubus Boots
Diamond Shoes (+2 Def, -4 Int)

Accessory:
Sorceress Crest (Reduces casting time)
Paludamentum

Elven Cape (-1 Def, -5 Int, +5 Mnd)
Hercules Ring (-5 Def, -5 Int, being damaged doesn't stop Charlotte from acting for a second anymore)


[size=18]Richter Belmont[/size]



HP: 680
MP: 405
Defense: 27
Mind: 46
Speed: Very fast, with Griffon Wing
Heals ~2 Mps per second

Vampire Killer physical: 55, whip + holy. 2x per second
Special: 45 per hit. Lunges forward for about one second. Damages the enemy by touching it which makes Richter bounce back slightly, allowing him to get two hits in against most humans. Invincible during the casting. 40 MPs
Griffon Wing: 45
Knife: 12 per hit, piercing. Throws two knives forward. 1.5x per second. 20 MPs.
Axe: 89, piercing. Throws an axe upward. 1.5x per second. 22 MPs
Cross: 43 per hit, holy. Throws a cross that stays in the air for a few moments before going back to Richter. Should hit a normal guy 3 times. 1.5x per second, but only two crosses can be on screen at the same time, meaning he has to use a physical every two crosses. 30 MPs
Bible: 24 per hit, holy. The Bible floats around and hits average size people around 5 times over 4 seconds. 22 MPs
Holy Water: 31 per hit, holy. Throws a bottle of holy water that creates a holy fire on the ground that slowly advances, hitting a normal human... Around 3 times? And 5 times max. 25 MPs
Holy Cross: 71, holy. ~120 MPs. Hits around 8 times against a normal size human, more against big guys. Lasts 4 seconds, but completely invincible during the charging/casting.


[size=18]Maria Renard[/size]



HP: 680
MP: 405
Defense: 25
Mind: 60
Speed: Medium
Halves Fire/Electricity
Heals ~10 Mps per second

White Birds physical: 39 per hit, piercing? Hits around 3 times. 3x per second.
Special: 73, heals 14 HPs. 1x per second. ~20 MPs
Dragon: 124, Ice. Just throws a dragon in front of her. 3x per second. ~20 MPs
Fire Bird: 94 per hit, Fire. Throws two red birds in the air in opposite directions. Hits 1-2 times. 3x per second. ~20 MPs
Thundercat: 74 per hit, Electricity. Throws a cat that runs on the floor, similar to Richter's Holy Water. Hits around 3 times. 3x per second. ~20 MPs
Turtle: Raises her defenses massively, but makes her unable to act. ~20 MPs


[size=18]Loretta Lecarde[/size]



HP: 665
MP: 390
Defense: 9
Mind: 48
Speed: Slow
Status immune
Halves Fire/Electricity
Heals 100 MPs per second when she's touching the ground and not attacking.
Can fly for a very low MP cost.

Ice needles of doom: 42, ice, long range. Hits ~13 times per second. Runs out after 7 seconds, so around 55 MP cost per second.


[size=18]Stella Lecarde[/size]



HP: 665
MP: 390
Defense: 21
Mind: 24
Speed: Slow
Status immune
Heals 100 MPs per second when she's touching the ground and not attacking.
Can fly for a very low MP cost.

Sword stylus: 52-80, piercing, long range. Random variance for once. Hits ~3-4 times per second. Runs out after 7 seconds, so around 55 MP cost per second.


[size=18]Old Axe Armor[/size]


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HP: 680
MP: 405
Defense: 53
Mind: 80
Speed: Fast, with Griffon Wing.
Heals 5 MPs per second

Axe physical: 88, piercing. 3x per second.
Combo: Runs around like a maniac doing 88 damage per hit, piercing. (Generally not noteworthy)
Axe: 139, piercing. 1.2x per second. 22 MPs
Axe to the face (Up): 88, piercing. Hits ~8 times per second. Very short range + can't move around when using it, but it works in game.
Puppet: Throws a puppet and teleports where it lands.


Averages

Damage output per second
Average: 416 (Everyone)/288 (Jo + Charlotte only)
(Charlotte: 975, Time Stop)
Old Axe Armor: 704
Maria: 666
Loretta: 546
Jonathan: 300
Charlotte: 277 (1110/4)
Stella: 231
Richter: 193
Note: This is not factoring ease of use. Old Axe Armor's up attack is generally very hard to use for a long time in game, Maria can only hit ground targets and Jonathan's Kaiser Knuckles have incredibly short range; while the sisters attack anything on screen easily.

Damage output per second, with only easy to use stuff
Average: 264 (Everyone)/ 269 (Jo + Charlotte only)
(Charlotte: 975, Time Stop)
Loretta: 546
Maria: 372 (Dragon)
Jonathan: 279 (Cross)
Old Axe Armor: 264 (Physicals)
Stella: 231
Charlotte: 194 (Salamander)
Richter: 193

HP:
Average: 689/740
Jonathan: 740
Charlotte: 740
Maria: 680
Richter: 680
Old Axe Armor: 680
Stella: 665
Loretta: 665

Defense:
Average: 39/69
Jonathan: 85
Old Axe Armor: 53
Charlotte: 52
Richter: 27
Maria: 25
Stella: 21
Loretta: 9

Mind:
Average: 50/48
Old Axe Armor: 80
Maria: 60
Charlotte: 56
Loretta: 48
Richter: 46
Jonathan: 39
Stella: 24

Speed / Mobility / Evade:
Average: NA
Richter: Very fast with Griffon Wing and slide forward/backward
Old Axe Armor: Fast with Griffon Wing and slide backward
Maria: Medium with slide forward/backward
Jonathan: Slow with Griffon Wing and slide forward/backward
Charlotte: Slow with slide forward/backward
Stella: Slow.
Loretta: Slow.

Stuff that needs work: Finding out if more elemental halving / weaknesses exist. Confirming the ones already there (was that really lightning? Bah, not enough demons use obvious enough elemental attacks)
Figuring out the exact number of hits the sisters and old axe armor attack do.

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Re: Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin (PCs)
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2008, 12:09:38 AM »
From RadLink

Just thought I'd do some of the boss forms for some of the characters along with Death maybe?

Damage against Jonathan/Damage against Charlotte


Stella 1
Note: I did this before Nation of Fools, but she can be fought after. I stumbled upon her before the Nation's portrait though, so that's what I have stats for. Also note that due to a certain armor I had her wearing, in this fight Charlotte has almost twice Jonathan's defense, and over three times his mind. Thus, the damage against her should be higher.
HP: 2500
Attack Speed: Mid-Fast
Evade Speed: VERY Fast
ATK: 102
DEF: 0
MIND: 0
Weak: Whip, Slash, Fire, Electric
Resist: Ice

Physical: 62/56 (Slash)
Secret Strike - Furious Wave: 62/56, potentially MT (Slash?)
Hurricane: 62/56, long range, potentially MT (Slash?)
Crescent Moon: Spends about two turns creating four crescents that, after she's done, will one-by-one fly at you for 24/18 damage each turn. Note that after making the crescents, she can do her own stuff each turn too. (Unlocked at 50% HP?)

Level: 20
HP: 280
Jonathan Axe (Slash): 24
Jonathan Steel Whip (Whip): 15
Charlotte Tome of Arms 2 (Slash): 18
Charlotte Don Quixote (Fire): 28
Ice Fang (Ice): 48 * 1-2 hits
Raging Fire: 88 * 2 hits
Holy Lightning (Electric): Uh... whoops? I'll get it next time.

Comments: Uh... much better than her PC form anyway. Very hard to hit, and pretty durable. Still, damage is about 5HKO at best. Healers completely own her, but otherwise a decent High Middle or maybe Low Heavy.

Death
Note: Begins immune to sub-weapons.
HP: 4444
Attack Speed: Slightly Fast
Evade Speed: Mid-slow
ATK: 66
DEF: 0
MIND: 70
Weak: None
Resist: Dark

Scythe Physical: 40/44 (Slash and maybe dark?)
Mini-Scythe: 7/11, about 3 or 4 hits spread over about a 5 second time slot. Doesn't require the use of a turn, and only seems to be usable while using Scythe Physical. (Slash and maybe dark?)
Red Mini-Scythe: 21/12, sometimes two hits per scythe, works same as Mini-Scythe, and can be in effect at the same time. (Slash and maybe dark or something else?)
Spinning Scythe: 73/77 (Slash and maybe dark?)
Color shift: Becomes immune to magic, but weak to physicals and vulnerable to sub-weapons. Can use to change back to normal also.
Hold down and slash: 264/264, binds target for about 6 seconds, but Death spends that time doing the attack anyway. Damage may always be 264? (Slash and maybe dark?)

(When normal/when immune to magic)
Level: 29
HP: 427
Jonathan Royal Sword: 25/68
Crossbow: Blocked/1
Charlotte Tome of Arms 2: 1/33
Ice Fang (Ice): 120 * 2 (3 if lucky) hits/Blocked
Thunderbolt (Electric): 134/Blocked
Tempest: 68 * 5 hits/Blocked

Comments: Magic immunity, tons of durabillity, no weaknesses, and very good damage damage in one of his moves. DoS form kills it, but still a nice High Heavy. Could even be a possible Low Godlike.


Whip's Memory (Richter)
Note: Fights Jonathon alone.
HP: 5000
Attack Speed: Very Fast
Move Speed: Fast
ATK: 252?
DEF: 0
MIND: ?? (Jonathan doesn't have anything that hits this stat anyway)
Weak: Dark
Resist: Holy

Vampire Killer Physical: 198 (Whip + Holy)
Lunge: 123 (Cannot be hit while using)
Knife: 65 * 2 hits (Slash)
Axe: 133 (Slash)
Cross: 102 (Holy)
Holy Water: 93 * 2-3 hits (Holy)
Red Cross: Never seen this one, but apparently it exists?

Level: 31
HP: 473
Jonathan Royal Sword (Slash): 70
Jonathan Downward Kick: 8-12
Mastered Cream Pie (Strike + Dark): 68

Comments: Holy Water 2HKOs at best, and he takes forever to take down. Very fast too. Probably better than his PoR PC form, but not as good as his SotN PC form? This is the form to use for a slug-fest though. High Heavy perhaps?