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« on: May 16, 2013, 04:52:23 PM »
« on: May 16, 2013, 04:22:07 PM »
Menardi (GS) vs Melfice (G2) - Menardi has absolutely nothing worth a damn here.
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Lady (SH3) - Technically not yet because ~*distractions*~ but I'd be surprised if Lady has even a sliver of an argument here.
Arc (AtLC) vs Lady Harken (WA1) - WA1o.
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs Demi (PS4) - Smash.
Valvalis (FF4) vs Luca Blight (S2) - Somehow I would not actually be surprised if spinning jacked Barbie's MDef to hell despite it being only something like 12 at base but nothing I've seen supports it. So, holding off. EDIT: Apparently FF4a Spin is glitched and does not work properly, fuck this shitfest to the highest heavens.
KOS-MOS (XSs) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4) - Explodes.
Agrias Oaks (FFT) vs Justin (G1)
Nina (BoF1) vs Alice Elliot (SH1)
Palom (FF4) vs Black Wizard (FF1)
Titania (FEs) vs Blastoise (PKMN) - Withdrawl is nowhere near good enough to carry the day.
« on: May 14, 2013, 10:34:13 PM »
Tenative fail for myself right now. Second fight is something of a doozy. Rika Elims Rune, Yuna revives. Explode isn't turn 1 against anyone but Lucian, so Chaz nails him, forcing Shiho to revive, Mew *has* to use Safeguard first turn or else Raja uses Seals, and Safeguard does nothing to solve the ID problem, and in the meanwhile I'm not making much headway and am in a pretty good position to get polished off. Alternatively I could try to blitz the fight but... no, same problem. A team full of ID vulnerables isn't what people want here.
« on: May 10, 2013, 02:29:20 AM »
Seed (S2) vs Elc (AtLC) - I do think I see Elc turn 1 speed beating out SL.
Fiora (FE7) vs Kyra (PS4) - Defense buffing/healing, easy enough
Garet (GS) vs Jean (BoF2) - Faster.
« on: May 04, 2013, 10:16:30 PM »
Oh right, dark weakness means she can nail Mew as well. Amusing but as you say it doesn't matter much.
As for Lashiec, stat topic claims Thunder Halberd is magical but Elfboy claims it's physical, so I dunno.
« on: May 04, 2013, 07:34:19 PM »
Team Random | Yuna (MT), Lucian, Shiho, Rune and Mew
Floor 7a Elemental Ties that Bind 2
Team Random vs. Lich, Kraken, Kary and Tiamat - MT assault.
Team Random vs. Scarmiglione (FF4DS), Cagnazzo (FF4DS), Barbariccia (FF4DS) and Rubicante (FF4o) - Actually kind of interesting. Safeguard to get rid of the status threats floating around in the fight, then throw up the originally MT NulBlaze. Barbie needs a turn to spin, however, Milon is apparently average speed and Cagnazzo is below in practice... let's say Milon has a shot at beating out Lucian/Shiho for reasons of atb estimates for the sake of argument, their physicals sum up to a total of ~1.32 PCHP, but if their turns are split up by Shiho that doesn't matter. However, if they don't and Shiho goes before the both of them then, okay, Rune does something, then Might Reinforce Lucian goes after... let's say Milon, it's F7, Rune has 3 shots of Legeon, I think he can afford to use one here, with Milon's holy weakness, that plus Lucian going after him should take him out. Tsunami is useless in this fight (Tandle!) and Yuna can just NulBlaze forever to keep Rubi's threat in check, not that she needs to. Edit: actually no, might be better to focus fire on Cagnazzo... which doesn't change much, since that means I can afford to ignore the first turn Safeguard (I doubt Cagny survives Psychic+Giwat+MR Lucian)
Team Random vs. Profound Darkness and Dark Force 3 - Oooooooh boy, this is fun. DF3 HP is... signficant. Significant enough to avoid one-rounding though? He's weak to Light, which mean that Holy and Legeon alone do a number on him, and Psychic and Lucian assault are likely enough to take him down after that. However, the MT spillover on PD isn't enough to take her into form 2, I think. Which is good because while Shadow Breath *stings like a bitch* it's ST (as are the rest of form 1's attacks). So if I blitz down DF3, she can take *someone* out, but I have three revivers, she's slow, and yeah. So who does she go after? Yuna/Rune/Mew all have above average magical durability, she can't OHKO them, Lucian can probably survive on HP alone... so that leaves Shiho. So that means Yuna gets to throw up Shell for form 2 throwing out MT, and while form 2 also has a physical, Mew throws up Reflect to keep that from pasting Yuna. Then comes form 3. Which sports Dispel. But is still slower than everyone here. And can't kill anyone if she doesn't use it, and if she does use it I can just reapply the defensive buffs, Yuna basically doesn't have MP costs at this point, and Mew's... what, 15 shots of Reflect haven't been taxed enough that I can't just gear up and outlast. Lucian physicals and Rune throwing out EFESS IS BEING USED WHOAH ensures that form 3 doesn't last long enough for it to be a problem, at any rate.
Team dude | Rika, Elincia, Mew, Yukiko, Nall (Elemental Advance)
[Mew: Return, Psychic, Swords Dance, Light Screen
Floor 5b: A Less Fair Fight
*Enemies on this floor have 1.5x Health
Team dude vs. Zio
Team dude vs. Dark Force 1
Team dude vs. Lashiec - Uh yeah Deban/Light Screen do a good job of handling these fights
Team Snowfire | Elincia, Yuna (MT), Arnaud, Stocke, Hawk
[Floor 1: Starting off Again (Beginning of the game)]
Team Snowfire vs. Big Joe, Evil Gaia, 10 Jogurts, VP1 Hrist, Euram Barrows, Gobi, DQ1 Slime, Garland and Yu Yevon with 1 HP - YUNA MT PHYSICAL HYPE WHOAH
Team Snowfire vs. Cecil, Kain and Rosa - Rosa is basically useless here, but it's still something of a slog due to defenses/time wasting, but not enough of one.
Team Snowfire vs. Augus and Joker (BoF2) - Edit: sure
Team Yoshiken | Shadow, Ramza, Tidus, Elincia, Moulder (Vantage)
[Ramza: Wizard, Item, Auto Potion] [Chemist]
Floor 2a: Adventuring (Earlygame)
Team Yoshiken vs. Flay and Nikki
Team Yoshiken vs. Jack, Cecilia and Rudy(WA:ACF)
Team Yoshiken vs. Opera, Ernest, Leon Geeste and Celine
Team Yoshiken vs. Colm, Rennac and Matthew
Team Yoshiken vs. Killey (S2) and Lorelai (S5)
« on: May 04, 2013, 05:15:44 AM »
The thing is that ability to inflict damage and ability to trigger double attacks are seperate concepts. Yes, the latter bears on the former, and the way it bears on the former (giving greater weight to an individual action, as opposed to ATB/CTB speed) is a good reason to factor it into averages in some form (which is a significant part of my unhappiness with the prevailing interp), but they are quite clearly seperate capabilities, and should be judged as such, meaning that if PC from game A and PC from game B have average ability to inflict damage relatives to their casts, their damage should be taken as such, and if they have average ability to trigger double attacks relative to their casts, that too should be taken as such, and we both know the logic of FE doubling mechanics say that if two opponents have the same ability to double, then no doubling occurs, which leaves me vaguely puzzled as to just how meaningful this method actually is without discarding the mechanic entirely and simply treating it as you seem to, which I think is a valid enough view despite all these words about seperate concepts but I confess I don't see the inherent inconsistancy in doing otherwise and it doesn't incline me to adopt it in the least, instead if anything this has made me lean more towards another view entirely.
And that's my somewhat meaningless contribution to this episode of views people think other people should adopt. Needed to get that out of my system before it gnawed at me like Snow on meth.
« on: May 03, 2013, 08:08:36 PM »
Sephiroth (FF7) vs Chaos (FF1)
Seed (S2) vs Maya (WA3) - No.
Rosa (FF4) vs Elc (AtLC) - okay yeah convinced.
Kyra (PS4) vs Mia (GS)
Garet (GS) vs Luna (Lunar:SSSC)
Rico (XG) vs Jean (BoF2)
« on: April 30, 2013, 05:36:41 PM »
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Sa-Lews (Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millenium) - Assuming I don't respect Sa-Lews's argument for physical immunity at any rate (I certainly don't respect the argument for Eph to hit weakness as Sa-Lews is notably not weak to Anti-Dark.) My scaling is harsher than NEB's so Eph scrapes that 2HKO as I assume he doubles.
White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Gardevoir (Pokémon) - sure.
For each of the following games, please indicate if you would like to Rank it in the DL or Reject it from further ranking consideration.
Brigandine (11/21) - Abstain
Fire Emblem: Sword of Seals 11/15 (Season 2012-3) - Rank.
Earthbound (12/21) - Rank, small and inoffensive.
Legend of Legaia (13/21) - Rank I guess.
Parasite Eve (11/21) - Reject
Phantasy Star II (11/21) - Abstain
Wild ARMs Alter Code F (11/21) - Rank, small and inoffensive.
Star Ocean: The Last Hope - Haven't played.
Fire Emblem: Awakening - Played, rank.
Dragon Quest VI - Haven't played.
Blue Dragon - Haven't played.
Lost Odyssey - Haven't played.
« on: April 26, 2013, 07:38:26 PM »
Sephiroth (FF7) vs Yunalesca (FFX)
Chaos (FF1) vs Psaro (DQ4)
Decus (SO2) vs Seed (S2)
Rofel (FFT) vs Maya (WA3)
Rosa (FF4) vs Liete (G1)
Velhart (AtLC) vs Elc (AtLC)
Gallows (WA3) vs Fiora (FE7)
Kyra (PS4) vs Blastoise (PKMN)
Mia (GS) vs Cagnazzo (FF4) - what the hell
Cray (BoF4) vs Garet (GS)
Marcus (FF9) vs Rico (XG) - superior damage and durability in this slapfight of fodder sissies.
Cyan (FF6) vs Jean (BoF2)
« on: April 24, 2013, 04:58:53 AM »
Completed Grandia 3, Shadow Hearts, and Shadow Hearts: Covenant.
« on: April 22, 2013, 07:43:00 AM »
Auron (Final Fantasy X) vs Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) - Not Auron's sort of fight.
White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Odessa (Suikoden)
« on: April 20, 2013, 02:36:40 AM »
Deis (BoFs) vs X-Death (FF5)
Haschel (LoD) vs Liete (G1)
Izlude (FFT) vs Elc (AtLC)
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Kyra (PS4)
Blastoise (PKMN) vs Zylo (SF1)
Grey (VP1) vs Mia (GS)
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1)
Chaz (SF2) vs Marcus (FF9) - Man I don't even remember if Marcus had any resist gear
Rico (XG) vs Brey (DQ4)
Cyan (FF6) vs Tsai (S2)
Jean (BoF2) vs Hawkeye (FE7)
« on: April 17, 2013, 03:28:46 AM »
Pretty much seeing what works or what is fun together and seeing how it pans out in practice. Beating would be nice but I kind of think that's a tertiary goal. That said...
That said, I feel like sometimes the dungeon tried to be too thematic in lieu of more exciting and interesting fight designs. Honestly, lowering the amount of fights in a given floor wouldn't be a bad idea for less repetition and more room for breathing.
I pretty much agree with this sentiment. When a theme works and is interesting, great. On the other hand some themes really shouldn't be forced if they create too many scrubfights. Granted there's sort of a risk of that happening anyways, but cutting down on floor length should reduce that.
« on: April 15, 2013, 03:04:53 AM »
TimeLord (SaGa Frontier) vs ZEKE (SaGa Frontier) - pffffft
Lenneth Valkyrie (Valkyrie Profile Series) vs Belial (Wild ARMs 4) - Well this isn't hard.
Auron (Final Fantasy X) vs Billy Lee Black (Xenogears) - Not sure.
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Umi (Cthulhu Saves the World) - Unless Umi could get that 100% Blind spell without sacrificing too much offense.
Canas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs White Rose (SaGa Frontier) - I assume.
Jill Fizzart (Fire Emblem: Series) vs Odessa (Suikoden) - Not Jill's match at all.
Gardevoir (Pokémon) vs Raynie (Radiant Historia) - I assume.
« on: April 12, 2013, 07:45:15 PM »
Sephiroth (FF7) vs Zio (PS4)
Yunalesca (FFX) vs Cecilia (WA1)
Magus (CT) vs Chaos (FF1)
Celes (FF6) vs Psaro (DQ4)
Seed (S2) vs Shu (AtLC) - ahahahahhahah
Rofel (FFT) vs Sonya (S1)
Maya (WA3) vs Farah (ToE) - taste pewpew
Beowulf (FFT) vs Rena (SO2)
Locke (FF6) vs Fiora (FE7)
Cray (BoF4) vs Aguro (Lufia 1) - buffing
Garet (GS) vs Marcus (FE7) - Likely just outslugs.
Luna (Lunar:SSSC) vs Mustadio (FFT)- :musty:
« on: April 10, 2013, 08:25:10 PM »
Cloud vs Crono (CT) - Faster, doesn't really care about the lesser limits.
Cloud vs Mary (ToD) - Mary.
Cloud vs Marisa (FE8) - damage control
Cloud vs Cristo (DQ4)- Fail it up some why don'tcha Kiryl
Cloud vs Millenia (G2) - SBE.
Cloud vs Geshp (SF2) - Sure.
Cloud vs Menardi (GS) - Menardi durability deserves zero credit.
Cloud vs Maxim (Lufia 2) - Cloud triggers something dangerous before Maxim does.
Cloud vs Dryst (Brig) - Aaaand no.
Cloud vs Berserk (WA1)
Cloud vs Cecil (FF4)
Yuffie vs Crono (CT) - Crono likely rams into an L2.
Yuffie vs Mary (ToD)
Yuffie vs Marisa (FE8)
Yuffie vs Cristo (DQ4) - Buffs to not fearing a limit
Yuffie vs Millenia (G2)
Yuffie vs Geshp (SF2) - Sure.
Yuffie vs Menardi (GS)
Yuffie vs Maxim (Lufia 2) - Superior damage control.
Yuffie vs Dryst (Brig)
Yuffie vs Berserk (WA1)
Yuffie vs Cecil (FF4)
Cait Sith vs Crono (CT)
Cait Sith vs Mary (ToD)
Cait Sith vs Marisa (FE8)
Cait Sith vs Cristo (DQ4)
Cait Sith vs Millenia (G2)
Cait Sith vs Geshp (SF2)
Cait Sith vs Menardi (GS)
Cait Sith vs Maxim (Lufia 2)
Cait Sith vs Dryst (Brig)
Cait Sith vs Berserk (WA1)
Cait Sith vs Cecil (FF4)
« on: April 07, 2013, 09:50:12 AM »
Diva (SaGa Frontier) vs Indalecio (Star Ocean: The Second Story) - I'll bite.
Tanzer (SaGa Frontier) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (Valkyrie Profile Series) - ew
chaos (Xenosaga Series) vs Gardevoir (Pokémon) - well the chaos I know sure doesn't take this.
Raynie (Radiant Historia) vs Cray (Breath of Fire IV) - Sure.
Caellach (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Kyle (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete)
Riddel (Chrono Cross) vs Pierre (Chrono Cross)
Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3) vs Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) - uh yeah
« on: April 01, 2013, 06:03:44 AM »
GodlikeTimeLord (SaGa Frontier)
vs Elincia (Fire Emblem Series) - Hi.
ZEKE (SaGa Frontier) vs Elidibs (Final Fantasy Tactics) - No Elidibs
Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X)
- Sure.Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones)
vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) - The humanity.Umi (Cthulhu Saves the World)
vs Palom (Final Fantasy IV) - Not sure how I feel about Dark Umi formchoice. Maybe there's some build that I forget that could let her take FF4a? Bah. Edit: I'll buy Insane Agility + Slow Strike hype.
MiddleCanas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword)
vs Kesaran Pasaran (Wild ARMs 4) - kesaran pasaran nooooo White Rose (SaGa Frontier)
vs Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX)
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill (Fire Emblem: Series)
- Hi.Odessa (Suikoden)
vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete)
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV)
- Less incompetent.Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete)
vs Guido (Grandia) - Kneejerk.
« on: March 31, 2013, 12:38:24 AM »
WORLD OF WAs
Jude vs. Malik Benedict - :malik:
Jude vs. Arnaud G. Vasquez - :arnaud:
Jude vs. Lady Harken - WA1o Harken sucks.
Jude vs. Jack van Burace - Uh probably.
Jude vs. Kanon- Boss Kanon, sure. PC Kanon is a laughfest in the other direction.
Jude vs. Zed - WA1o Zed also sucks.
Jude vs. Anastasia Valeria - wut
Jude vs. Maya Schroedinger - Depends on Maya durability respect I suppose. PCish means Jude doesn't really have a problem.
Jude vs. Antenora - Low odds status isn't what you want here off of that speed.
Jude vs. Alhazad - WA1o.
Jude vs. Boomerang
Jude vs. Clive Winslett - aaaaand no
Jude vs. Kresnik Ahtreide - Kresnik not winning through damage is an understatement, he flat out has none against Jude barring crits, and in a match like this I'd probably consider leypoints which favor Jude far more than the 1^10-100 or so chance Kresnik has of getting a lucky tear of crits.
Jude vs. Todd Dukakis- Todd kind of sucks.
Jude vs. Zeikfried - I assume.
Jude vs. Ashley Winchester - Surely.
Jude vs. Jeremy Non- Should just barely kill. Jude may have an argument to surive buuuut eh not feeling it.
Jude vs. Berserk - WA1o bosses and boss-related products.
Jude vs. Janus Cascade - Janus is amazing.
Jude vs. Marivel Armitage - The blue hell does Marivel do here? Even allowing only one statusblocker, Jude can block sleep and the ID is turn 2, and Marivel's both slow and a touch frail. Edit: oh right, missed silence. Not really sure what I think about WA4 statblocker penalties, will probably hold vote where it is for now.
WORLD OF FFs
Jude vs. Lede - Status of some variety, surely she can manage.
Jude vs. Worker 8 - in all likelyhood
Jude vs. Edgar (FF6) - Edgar's slugfesting.
Jude vs. Ultros - Imp Song.
Jude vs. Jenova - Some form or another manages this, surely.
Jude vs. Tidus - E&C says hi
Jude vs. Edge
Jude vs. Kary - Hold.
Jude vs. Wakka - yo.
Jude vs. Cecil - Yep.
Jude vs. Elmdor - evade to the rescue
Jude vs. Rofel
Jude vs. Zalbag - Good lord Speed Ruin.
Jude vs. Reno - man how do I feel about Pyramid, I can never tell.
Jude vs. Auron - Power Break -> build to eject.
Jude vs. Steiner - Probably.
Jude vs. Gau - Surely has something that I'd allow that Jude lacks an answer to.
Jude vs. Delita
Jude vs. Dycedarg
Jude vs. Sabin - Sabin doesn't OHKO and he kind of has to.
Jude vs. Celia - See Lede
Jude vs. Garland - Stop.
Jude vs. Knight - I s'pose.
Jude vs. Garnet - blind has a hit rate the fuck
Jude vs. Rydia - At worst, Rapid Attack -> Assault Buster through instadoubling. Assuming AB doesn't flat out OHKO Rydia the slow and frail.
Jude vs. Tiamat - DoS Tiamat blows.
Jude vs. Izlude
Jude vs. Beowulf - Beowulf status variety against Jude's lollertastic MDef.
Jude vs. Cloud
Jude vs. Agrias
Jude vs. Hojo - aww yeahs
Jude vs. Freya - Outslugs.
Jude vs. Cait Sith - Ribbit
Jude vs. Strago - Breath mints will be required
Jude vs. Yuffie
Jude vs. Squall
Jude vs. Meliadoul
« on: March 30, 2013, 08:48:22 PM »
Alena (DQ4) vs Ultros (FF6) - I suspect it balances out like this at any rate.
Milda (G1) vs Nash (Lunar) - Probably.
Jean (BoF2) vs Rafa (FFT) - sigh
« on: March 26, 2013, 02:03:51 AM »
Paladin Quest/Lennus there.
EO4: dragons are jerks, news at 11.
« on: March 23, 2013, 10:03:27 PM »
Godlike: Yuna (FFX), Belial (WA4), Altima (FFT), Celes (FF6), Profound Darkness (PS4), Miscreation (WA4)
1. PC High Godlike, for the namas.
2. Proficient in tank usage.
3. 'bloody angel'
6. Would you like Stone Bullet counters with that? Also Tide fanservice.
Heavy: Ershin (BoF4), Umi (CSTW), Artea (L2), Sephiran (FE10), Chocobo Eater (FFX), Delita (FFT)
1. Ershin will assist!
2. Insane fangirl power
5. You think you can eat that chocobo
6. Ciato fanservice
Middle: Kesaran Pasaran (WA4), Lucca (CT), Sceptile (PKMN), Haschel (LoD), Jill (FEs), Tengaar (Suikos)
5. Token FE in middle.
6. Snow fanservice.
Light: Nina (Suiko2), Vitali (SN), Yumei (VP1), Mojo (CC), Cotton (SaGaF), Marcus (FE7)
2. Ninja cleric
3. Chicken dance
4. Token CC in Light
« on: March 23, 2013, 08:29:57 PM »
Royce (Lunar:SSSC) vs Ghaleon (Lunars)
Liete (G1) vs Alena (DQ4) - Well then.
Cecilia (WA1) vs Ultros (FF6) - cry some more
Tifa (FF7) vs Milda (G1)
Vormav (FFT) vs Nash (Lunar:SSSC)
Aeris (FF7) vs Jean (BoF2) - Death.
« on: March 21, 2013, 09:09:53 PM »
Wasn't Izanami explictly stated to be form 1 only on this floor and not the full formchain or am I misremembering that? Not that this likely matters.
And yeah, FFX Dispel should kill Mind Charge. Arguing that it wouldn't because Dekaja misses it is silly, since Dekaja/Dekunda kill -kaja/-nda spells respectively, which is a pretty huge strike against arguing against a vastly more comprehensive dispell doing its work here in my opinion.