Author Topic: Arnaud vs. Heavy Pt. 1 (Read 614 times)

Tide · « **on:** July 24, 2012, 05:44:10 AM »

So I'm bored (and depressed). And reading old forum topics got me to thinking of doing one of these, which is always fun >_>. Simple enough concept; Arnaud vs. Heavy. Note that because Heavy is such a large division, I'm only taking a portion of the division right now. Just interesting in seeing how my favourite dueler holds up. List is as follows:

Arnaud vs. Clive Winslett
Arnaud vs. Kresnik Ahtreide
Arnaud vs. Glenn
Arnaud vs. Limstella
Arnaud vs. Todd Dukakis
Arnaud vs. Leo
Arnaud vs. Zapdos
Arnaud vs. Kyra Tierny
Arnaud vs. Silmeria Valkyrie
Arnaud vs. Tana
Arnaud vs. Nash Rumack
Arnaud vs. Grenseal
Arnaud vs. Marisa
Arnaud vs. Kanji Tatsumi
Arnaud vs. Culgan
Arnaud vs. Sharon
Arnaud vs. Fayt Leingod
Arnaud vs. Zeikfried
Arnaud vs. Luc
Arnaud vs. Dryst
Arnaud vs. Freya Crescent
Arnaud vs. Fuse
Arnaud vs. Nina5
Arnaud vs. Gilder
Arnaud vs. Kasumi (Suikos)
Arnaud vs. Lawfer
Arnaud vs. Yuki
Arnaud vs. Rutee Katrea
Arnaud vs. Ursula
Arnaud vs. Dart
Arnaud vs. Selan
Arnaud vs. Juan
Arnaud vs. Kika
Arnaud vs. Ashley Winchester
Arnaud vs. Emeralda
Arnaud vs. Elena (G2)
Arnaud vs. Jeremy Non
Arnaud vs. Jeff
Arnaud vs. Mazus
Arnaud vs. Berserk
Arnaud vs. Hojo
Arnaud vs. Jean
Arnaud vs. Takaya Sakaki
Arnaud vs. Hawk
Arnaud vs. Veronica Vera
Arnaud vs. Miang
Arnaud vs. Cristo
Arnaud vs. Cait Sith
Arnaud vs. Axl
Arnaud vs. Elly van Houten
Arnaud vs. Gale
Arnaud vs. Hector
Arnaud vs. Max
Arnaud vs. Janus Cascade
Arnaud vs. Marle (Nadia Guardia)
Arnaud vs. Sgt. Joe
Arnaud vs. Arche Klein
Arnaud vs. Jude Maverick
Arnaud vs. Strago Magus
Arnaud vs. Yuffie Kisaragi
Arnaud vs. Sonya Shulen
Arnaud vs. Ziggy
Arnaud vs. Rune Walsh
Arnaud vs. Emelia
Arnaud vs. Peppita Rosetti
Arnaud vs. Shu
Arnaud vs. Marivel Armitage
Arnaud vs. Jean
Arnaud vs. Squall Leonheart
Arnaud vs. Meliadoul Tingel
Arnaud vs. MOMO
Arnaud vs. Yuiri
Arnaud vs. Warlock
Arnaud vs. Adray Lasbard
Arnaud vs. Ayame

Tide · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2012, 06:12:13 AM »

Arnaud vs. Clive Winslett - Lock On gives Arnaud fits, but he goes first and Slow Down + ID/Sleep should win this.
Arnaud vs. Kresnik Ahtreide - This one is weird as hell because of Adrenaline Rush. If they get into a turn war between Slow Down and Adrenaline Rush, Arnaud probably eventually doubles. HOWEVER, this takes a while, meaning he gets into a resource war with Kresnik and that's such a losing battle. His best bet here is Hyper'd physicals but if he doesn't gain turn advantage from Slow Down, he'll never surmount an offense against Kres who then just slowly heals back up. Aw yeah.
Arnaud vs. Glenn - Illusion. GG.
Arnaud vs. Limstella - The argument is far more definitive if you see flavour arguments for Fimbulvetr.
Arnaud vs. Todd Dukakis - Invests in a confuse blocker, Slow Down/Hyper. This does depend on Todd's accuracy.
Arnaud vs. Zapdos - Kneejerk. Fast mage against Arnaud = bad. Also, Thunder Wave to counter Slow Down.
Arnaud vs. Silmeria Valkyrie - This totally depends on whether Silmeria can OHKO, which I think she does. Blue Gale evasion mocking + Arnaud P.Dur.
Arnaud vs. Tana - Kneejerk Illusion. Slim Lance physicals may help though.
Arnaud vs. Marisa - See above. Replace with Slim Sword
Arnaud vs. Kanji Tatsumi - That's a lot of durability. However, no ID/Sleep resist means Slow Down works its magic.
Arnaud vs. Fayt Leingod - I don't think Fayt can block Sleep, which is pretty important here.
Arnaud vs. Zeikfried - Unsure. ACF Zeik I think has something that can deal with Arnaud but this requires me to check
Arnaud vs. Freya Crescent - Luna actually works against Freya here I think due to Arnaud's evasion and he can equip Ge Ramtos for hilarity in the ensuing slug fest. Everything else gets met with Slow Down/Sleep/ID.
Arnaud vs. Lawfer - Can't PWS if you can't hit.
Arnaud vs. Yuki - I...think? Depends on if he has a tech that OHKOs is my kneejerk.
Arnaud vs. Ashley Winchester - Ashley wishes he had something to counter Arnaud's massive evasion. Full Clip hype time.
Arnaud vs. Emeralda - I think.
Arnaud vs. Elena (G2) - This is also weird. Sleep is out and I'm not sure if Elena blocks ID. So Arnaud's best bet is to Slow Down/Hyper and triple physical for the win. Flip side, he has to block Sleep himself or get massive damaged by Nightmare ball locking. The evade is a problem, but White Apocalypse/Impact Bomb ignore evade. I don't think she can block Slow Down though, which probably gives Arnaud some sort of flexibility to win it. If Elena uses her full healing, she massive rips into her SP pool and I don't give her the Mana Egg.
Arnaud vs. Jeremy Non - LOL
Arnaud vs. Jeff - Weren't bottle rockets effected by Speed? If so, Jeff is up shit creek without a paddle.
Arnaud vs. Berserk - <Berserk> Hay Arnaud. Guess wat *Berserk Break OHKO*
Arnaud vs. Hojo - Kneejerk Hojo is terrible.
Arnaud vs. Takaya Sakaki - I'm not sure what Takaya can do here. Mind Charge, I don't think leads to a OHKO. And it has a chance of being reflected causing wasted turns. Slow Down/Hyper wastes Takaya unless he resisted physical? In which case, you may see Fragile handling that.
Arnaud vs. Miang - Miang had some HP-1 attack I think. Any magical poke afterwards = gg. If all she has is evadable physicals afterwards though, this swings massively the other way because Crisis Evade Arnaud is like on crack.
Arnaud vs. Cait Sith - Pretty sure Frog is turn 1
Arnaud vs. Axl - I lean Arnaud because I don't think Axl has enough non-evadable offense to kill Arnaud. But my MMXCM knowledge is pretty limited. Maybe some sub weapon lets him win this.
Arnaud vs. Elly van Houten - Invests in a Sleep Blocker. One of ID/Sleep does her in I think
Arnaud vs. Hector - More Illusion
Arnaud vs. Janus Cascade - I think he's actually equipped adequately to handle every form >_>
Arnaud vs. Marle (Nadia Guardia)
Arnaud vs. Jude Maverick - See, kid? This is how adults do things.
Arnaud vs. Strago Magus - I think? Can't stop Bad Breath
Arnaud vs. Yuffie Kisaragi - Maybe if you allow THROW 1000000 GIL FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE ala RICHARD
Arnaud vs. Ziggy - Very strong kneejerk. Ziggy's tanky, but Slow Down just makes his already bad speed even worse.
Arnaud vs. Marivel Armitage - There's probably some skill that lets Marivel win this. Not sure on the legality and I'm too lazy to look this up right now.
Arnaud vs. Squall Leonheart - Did Blind effect Squall in FF8? Probably doesn't matter though. Sleep/IDs out after Slow Down
Arnaud vs. Meliadoul Tingel - Goes in with initial equips, which can't be sold. To me, this is a pretty strong indicator of equipment that cannot be broken. Slow Down deals with the rest.
Arnaudvs. MOMO - Blood Dancer MOMO makes this more interest. Pretty sure XS1 MOMO loses otherwise.

Namagomi · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2012, 08:56:29 AM »

Actually, Miang's got one of the instant-kill attacks in Xenogears (there's no proper instant death status, as much as it's just 100% mHP gravity as displayed in-game). Whether you count that as subject to a death blocker or not is up to interpretation.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2012, 06:56:22 PM »

Arnaud vs. Clive Winslett - Clive can't OHKO without hitting the evade and Slow Down means Arnaud instadoubles. This seals the match shut.
Arnaud vs. Kresnik Ahtreide - No allowing both ID and Sleep blockers = Kresnik eventually hates the universe.
Arnaud vs. Glenn - CC PC vs. Arnaud. lulz.
Arnaud vs. Limstella - Halving Water sorta helps Arnaud massively. Fragile => outslugging works, Slow Down is useless because they trade hits as is with counters.
Arnaud vs. Todd Dukakis - Todd can annoy the hell out of Arnaud, but has massive issues actually landing the finishing blow.
Arnaud vs. Leo - Slow Down => ID.
Arnaud vs. Zapdos - ID vs. Thunder... Thunder has accuracy issues compounded by Magic Blocking. Zapdos is likely faster, but Agility and Slow Down cancel each other out and Thunder safely -will- miss one out of three and may miss two out of three. Could be swayed.
Arnaud vs. Kyra Tierny - ID. Kyra 4HKOs before factoring in Magic Blocker and Arnaud's faster.
Arnaud vs. Silmeria Valkyrie - Not allowing both blockers... hmmm. Silmeria needs to equip both Silence and Petrify arrows here, which means the status is turn two. Arnaud is faster and Slow Down gives him more shots than Silmeria will get. Works.
Arnaud vs. Tana - lulz tana accuracy is barely above average
Arnaud vs. Nash Rumack - Nash is faster, has -way- too much status variety and none of them will be below turn two (Magic Blocker doesn't apply to non-damaging spells, I think?). No matter how Arnaud mixes and matches his blockers, assuming you -allow- that, Nash will have something fatal to hit him with.
Arnaud vs. Grenseal - Slow Down => ID. Typical Arnaud win. Grenseal 2HKOs, but eh, Magic Blocker still exists and yeah.
Arnaud vs. Marisa - Marisa suffers roughly the same fate as Guy.
Arnaud vs. Kanji Tatsumi - Arnaud and evadable physical fighters is a recipe for :garcia:
Arnaud vs. Culgan - I -guess-? Culgan is so frail that three Blasts after Slow Down may shoot him down - although I doubt he misses a 4HKO with magic. Physicals are hopeless, Culgan accuracy sucks.
Arnaud vs. Sharon - Legaia 2 Sharon, I assume. Even with her accuracy, I kneejerk Arnaud is just too good at getting control of the match once he piles up as much as a Slow Down. With the speed difference applied, he can actually chip past a deadly MA range. S3 Sharon vs. Arnaud is a trainwreck of a match, on the other hand.
Arnaud vs. Fayt Leingod - Sleep is fatal and usual lulz vs. evadable physicals ensue.
Arnaud vs. Zeikfried - Zeik sucks. Can he even circumvent evade?
Arnaud vs. Luc - Assuming Dhyer's right about Luc evade. Block sleep, spam Shining/Eternal Wind for victolies.
Arnaud vs. Dryst - Arnaud win. Dryst is a horrible Heavy.
Arnaud vs. Freya Crescent - Arnaud casts Slow Down/Illusion and he beats Freya in a straight slugfest even if she Lunas. Seriously, don't bring evadable physicals as your main tool against Arnaud.
Arnaud vs. Fuse - Sleep. Fuse gives Arnaud way too much time to get started.
Arnaud vs. Kasumi (Suikos) - ITE 2HKO faster than Arnaud!
Arnaud vs. Lawfer - Physicals.
Arnaud vs. Yuki - EDIT: Wait, no. Arnaud is faster and if Yuki blocks sleep+uses Flash, he's just getting outpaced because fuck Slow Down is stupid and Yuki misses the OHKO. If he blocks ID, Sleep wins the fight. So it goes.
Arnaud vs. Rutee Katrea - Silence blocking+Water halving = Arnaud victory.
Arnaud vs. Ursula - Huh, weird fight. Ursula immunes the whoring and can apply one of her tricks herself, but has issues actually finishing the damage race. Want to say Arnaud pulls it off, though - faster, opens with Hyper, now he has an easy 3HKO while Ursula can't deal as much damage.
Arnaud vs. Dart - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Selan - Status immunity armor doesn't get ID, I guess? Feeling less love towards the Bunny Ring argument these days.
Arnaud vs. Juan - Jesus christ.
Arnaud vs. Kika - Uh, I guess? I'll just assume she scrapes the OHKO here, otherwise :arnaud: happens. Dhyer, is Falcon ITE?
Arnaud vs. Ashley Winchester - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Emeralda - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Elena (G2) - Unless proven otherwise, I have problems seeing Elena's status immunity catching ID, and it doesn't catch stat busts. Slow Down => Ge Ramtos => :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Jeremy Non - Actually kinda close, since Jeremy gets so many shots to try and -hit- him. On the other hand, in-game experience sweeps in and now I can't hear you over the sound of Jeremy failing so hard against Arnaud that the game plays laugh tracks whenever he tries attacking him. So yeah.
Arnaud vs. Jeff - :jeff:
Arnaud vs. Mazus - Mazus overkills pretty hard.
Arnaud vs. Berserk - Berserk is evadable? Man, Berserk clearly below the Godlike border makes even more sense to me now.
Arnaud vs. Hojo - ~~:garcia:~~ :hojo:
Arnaud vs. Jean - Being faster means she's bound to win the status war.
Arnaud vs. Takaya Sakaki - Man, hyping Mind Charge against Arnaud of the dispel? Takaya likely 6HKOs Arnaud at base (after factoring in Magic Blocking) to boot and is total bait to debuffs, so he just gets Slow Downed and outpaced. Takaya sucks.
Arnaud vs. Hawk - Blocks silence and wins the status war.
Arnaud vs. Veronica Vera - Block ID, outslug. Veronica is a verifiable Light when she's bereft of status.
Arnaud vs. Miang - Miang is luuuuuuuulz without instant death. EDIT: Tide, Miang doesn't have HP-1, just ID. The durability is awful anyway, she has like 4000 HP and even without 7AP Deathblows the averages near four-digits for damage at worst. Odds are Arnaud would just Slow Down and 3HKO in that case (and Miang is -slow- at base to boot).
Arnaud vs. Cristo - Blocks ID and eventually hits his own after casting Slow Down. Cristo in a slugfest is so awesome.
Arnaud vs. Cait Sith - Froggie.
Arnaud vs. Axl - Wild Django is vicious enough physical ITE damage and the Hyper Mode sorta walls Arnaud otherwise.
Arnaud vs. Elly van Houten - Elly without sleep = :miang: (okay, not -that- bad, but she's a pretty bad Light when sleep's blocked)
Arnaud vs. Gale - lulz
Arnaud vs. Hector - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Max - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Janus Cascade - :janus:
Arnaud vs. Marle (Nadia Guardia) - Um yeah. Blocks Confuse and Ge Ramtos proceeds to win. Marle's Stop against that evade is a barrel of monkeys.
Arnaud vs. Sgt. Joe - :ge ramtos:
Arnaud vs. Arche Klein - Wins the status war.
Arnaud vs. Jude Maverick - Assault Buster against that evade and Slow Down. Yeah that's working out.
Arnaud vs. Strago Magus - :sourmouth:
Arnaud vs. Yuffie Kisaragi - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Sonya Shulen - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Ziggy - :ziggyinheavy:
Arnaud vs. Rune Walsh - Blocks ID, goes first and Rune misses the 2HKO. Works.
Arnaud vs. Emelia - SaGa Gunners throw Arnaud around like a ragdoll.
Arnaud vs. Peppita Rosetti - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Shu - :shu:
Arnaud vs. Marivel Armitage - Wins the status war.
Arnaud vs. Jean - BoF2 Jean without the ID.
Arnaud vs. Squall Leonheart - Squall 2HKOs and mocks the evade, but it doesn't matter. Slow Down => Sleep or Ge Ramtos.
Arnaud vs. Meliadoul Tingel - Equipment breaking is pretty monstrous against WA4 mages.
Arnaud vs. MOMO - Slow Down and Slow cancel out and Arnaud dodges a lot more than MOMO does - AND takes hits a lot better. XS3 gets :arnaud:'d anyway since Slow Down is horrible rape and Silence isn't an option.
Arnaud vs. Yuiri - Arnaud vs. S3 Sharon is a nightmare of a trainwreck match. However, Yuiri sorely lacks the evade, which means Arnaud's ID is actually viable instead of being completely useless. Two shots of ID instead of one make the fight more dangerous (forcing Arnaud to block ID period) and she has a lot more physical damage, but I think Ge Ramtos being an actual option is just too match-clinching on Arnaud's end.
Arnaud vs. Warlock - Warlock speed after Slow Down is the best thing ever.
Arnaud vs. Adray Lasbard - Sleep.
Arnaud vs. Ayame - :arnaud:

Man, this is a scrubby Heavy half. And there are a bunch of people who were ranked Middles here anyway, unless the DL went nuts. S4 Warlock in Heavy? He never even made it to a semis ever...

superaielman · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2012, 01:45:03 PM »

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Arnaud vs. Selan - Status immunity armor doesn't get ID, I guess? Feeling less love towards the Bunny Ring argument these days.

She can block ID. She can't block slow, however.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2012, 02:09:58 PM »

Slow vulnerability is quite possibly enough with enough monkeying anyhow? Selan pressure+durability and Arnaud -has- pressure once he gets his game going.

Tide · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2012, 10:51:13 PM »

Snow: This is the bottom quarter of Heavy, so there are a lot of upgraded Middles.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2012, 11:16:38 PM »

Doesn't explain Warlock.

AndrewRogue · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2012, 11:21:13 PM »

I seem to recall Warlock having fairly high damage, didn't he? Yeah, looks like 1HKO to average. Probably a bit too much for Middle.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2012, 11:33:21 PM »

He barely OHKOs off an easily wallable element, Kongol-level speed and Porom-tastic physical durability and sketchy magical durability. He's mostly a very weird Middle and I honestly don't remember him making actual waves in the division. If he didn't have the evade, he could even fit in Light, even though then he'd be top of the line there.

Pyro · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2012, 03:52:38 AM »

Arnaud vs. Clive Winslett: Is almost OHKO'd but misses it by a few %.
Arnaud vs. Kresnik Ahtreide: See Snow I guess.
Arnaud vs. Glenn
Arnaud vs. Limstella: Aren't Counters going to ruin Arnaud if he can't quickly kill with damage? 2HKOing probably occurs IIRC.
Arnaud vs. Todd Dukakis
Arnaud vs. Leo
Arnaud vs. Zapdos: Fast damage mage.
Arnaud vs. Kyra Tierny: When Snow votes against Kyra...
Arnaud vs. Silmeria Valkyrie: ITE and status blocking.
Arnaud vs. Tana
Arnaud vs. Nash Rumack: Think Arnaud missed something or other in that skillset.
Arnaud vs. Marisa
Arnaud vs. Kanji Tatsumi
Arnaud vs. Culgan: Boss with magic damage?
Arnaud vs. Sharon: She'll get him with something and blocks relevant status? Think her status physicals didn't care about evade like Noa's.
Arnaud vs. Fayt Leingod
Arnaud vs. Zeikfried
Arnaud vs. Luc
Arnaud vs. Dryst
Arnaud vs. Freya Crescent
Arnaud vs. Fuse
Arnaud vs. Nina5
Arnaud vs. Gilder: I'm assuming he can't OHKO with an SP attack of some sort.
Arnaud vs. Kasumi (Suikos): Very fast ITE 2HKO?
Arnaud vs. Lawfer
Arnaud vs. Yuki: Flash and ITE damage.
Arnaud vs. Rutee Katrea
Arnaud vs. Ursula: Boss mage with counters.
Arnaud vs. Dart
Arnaud vs. Selan: I don't think she can manage all of the various gimmicks. Did L2 even have evade to declare IP's as ITE?
Arnaud vs. Juan: Is very careful about how he sets up.
Arnaud vs. Kika
Arnaud vs. Ashley Winchester
Arnaud vs. Emeralda
Arnaud vs. Elena (G2): Not too sure here, but he should be able to set up nicely?
Arnaud vs. Jeremy Non: Assuming he lives to a turn.
Arnaud vs. Jeff: MBRs were based off target speed, not Jeff's? It doesn't even matter.
Arnaud vs. Mazus: Blazing Camp yo.
Arnaud vs. Berserk: OHKO yo.
Arnaud vs. Hojo
Arnaud vs. Jean: I don't think he stops all her status?
Arnaud vs. Takaya Sakaki
Arnaud vs. Hawk
Arnaud vs. Veronica Vera
Arnaud vs. Miang
Arnaud vs. Cristo
Arnaud vs. Cait Sith: Block the status and win via Transformation?
Arnaud vs. Elly van Houten: No Sleep.
Arnaud vs. Gale
Arnaud vs. Hector
Arnaud vs. Max
Arnaud vs. Janus Cascade
Arnaud vs. Marle (Nadia Guardia)
Arnaud vs. Sgt. Joe
Arnaud vs. Arche Klein:
Arnaud vs. Jude Maverick
Arnaud vs. Strago Magus: SOMETHING in there gets Arnaud.
Arnaud vs. Yuffie Kisaragi: Throw was ITE and she's faster?
Arnaud vs. Sonya Shulen: Boss mage?
Arnaud vs. Ziggy
Arnaud vs. Rune Walsh
Arnaud vs. Emelia
Arnaud vs. Peppita Rosetti: Physical fighter.
Arnaud vs. Shu
Arnaud vs. Marivel Armitage
Arnaud vs. Jean
Arnaud vs. Squall Leonheart: Shut Out. Rare time to see use from this.
Arnaud vs. Meliadoul Tingel: ITE damage.
Arnaud vs. MOMO
Arnaud vs. Yuiri
Arnaud vs. Warlock: Arnaud is not stopping Warlock from getting one turn. That's all he needs. If need be Warlock equips for speed instead of defense. MT ITD overkill.
Arnaud vs. Adray Lasbard
Arnaud vs. Ayame

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2012, 06:07:37 AM »

Limstella barely 2HKOs average and hits Arnaud's water/ice resistance. So, she 3HKOs at base, -6HKOs- in practice. She's not handling that so easily after Fragile even with Counters, and she gets doubled. Also, that's BoF4 Ursula, FE Ursula is a Middle who -does- have a good case to spoil Arnaud (he 2HKOs so easily with a Hyper'd physical, but that has to -hit- and his accuracy sucks, and he gets countered to death with Blast spam - she has double Limstella's effective damage against him and is actually fast, so the Limstella strategy doesn't work). Warlock... I told you in chat. Not full ITD (I have no idea how ITD the damage is, honestly, because Dhyer worded that whole thing -really- weirdly. Sounds like something akin to CSTW's damage reduction caps). Also, Yuffie's Throw is a godly 4-5HKO to average (3HKO to Arnaud, so that's giving waaaaaaaaaay too much time), she gets insta-lapped by Arnaud into a triple even if she's faster (it'd by by a couple of % points at most, they're -close-) and she can't block both Sleep and ID at once. That's pretty much game against her.

Clear Tranquil · « **Reply #12 on:** July 29, 2012, 01:04:28 AM »

I have some questions!~

1 - How much of a stat penalty does Arnaud take if he has to equip two status blockers?

2 - Does Arnaud's Sleep hit turn one, two or three on average?

3 - How many Slow Downs does it typically take for Arnaud to start doubling turning average speed?

4 - Accuracy is based off the HIT stat in WA4 right (sorry if this seems like a silly question~)?

Thanks!~

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #13 on:** July 29, 2012, 01:10:06 AM »

1. From Elfboy's statusblocker topic:

Quote from: Elfboy

- Arnaud:
-can get immunity to one of disease, confuse, petrify, or death in exchange for 2% HP, 6 MP, -16% hit, -16% evade, 10% speed, 11% less physical damage, 5% less magic damage, and taking 2%/7% extra from physicals/magic.
-can get immunity to one of poison, misery, sleep, or amnesia in exchange for 6% HP, 18 MP, -18% hit, -18% evade, 11% speed, 13% less physical damage, 5% less magic damage, and taking 3%/8% extra from physicals/magic.

2 - 50% accuracy. Going by >66% convention, it's turn two against average.

3 - Slow Down doesn't stack. It lowers average by nearly 60% (something like 58%), so, after the enemy's first turn assuming they're average speed, they're getting instantly tripled. Then, they get always doubled, then sometimes tripled. Due to WA4's quadratic speed, the effect is magnified on those who are already slow and is somewhat less effective for relative speed against the insanely fast (as in Kasumi-level fast and higher)

4 - Yes.

Nephrite · « **Reply #14 on:** July 29, 2012, 02:23:10 AM »

People could theoretically move out of the Slow Down'ed hex, right?

Pyro · « **Reply #15 on:** July 29, 2012, 02:41:13 AM »

Even if you let them move, he'll just apply Slow Down again, and continue until he doubles and uses Lock Out (or runs the enemy out of places to move).

Dark Holy Elf · « **Reply #16 on:** July 29, 2012, 02:48:57 AM »

Yeah, the problem with trading turns like that is it favours whoever is faster on average. Arnaud is definitely faster on average than the person who is suffering from Slow Down half the time unless he's trying to do it to someone with completely insane speed.

Clear Tranquil · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2012, 09:22:26 PM »

Thanks Snow! =)

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3 - Slow Down doesn't stack. It lowers average by nearly 60% (something like 58%), so, after the enemy's first turn assuming they're average speed, they're getting instantly tripled. Then, they get always doubled, then sometimes tripled. Due to WA4's quadratic speed, the effect is magnified on those who are already slow and is somewhat less effective for relative speed against the insanely fast (as in Kasumi-level fast and higher)

Oh yeah this is evil~

Sure I'll bite -

Arnaud vs. Clive Winslett
Arnaud vs. Kresnik Ahtreide
Arnaud vs. Glenn
Arnaud vs. Todd Dukakis
Arnaud vs. Leo
Arnaud vs. Zapdos
Arnaud vs. Silmeria Valkyrie
Arnaud vs. Kanji Tatsumi
Arnaud vs. Fayt Leingod - Need to check if Ethereal Blast ignores evade. Air Raid does but Air Raid doesn't have status and I don't think it has the offence needed to win here either. Edit - So yeah Ethereal Blast does ignore evade/EVA/AGL (tested it with low level Fayt + 90~ HIT vs Ethereal Queen >_>), Fayt is faster, Ethereal Blast paralyses, does MP damage ... Need to think about this more.
Arnaud vs. Zeikfried
Arnaud vs. Freya Crescent
Arnaud vs. Lawfer
Arnaud vs. Rutee Katrea
Arnaud vs. Ursula
Arnaud vs. Dart
Arnaud vs. Kika
Arnaud vs. Elena (G2)
Arnaud vs. Jeremy Non
Arnaud vs. Jeff
Arnaud vs. Berserk
Arnaud vs. Hojo
Arnaud vs. Takaya Sakaki
Arnaud vs. Hawk
Arnaud vs. Veronica Vera
Arnaud vs. Cristo
Arnaud vs. Cait Sith
Arnaud vs. Janus Cascade
Arnaud vs. Marle (Nadia Guardia)
Arnaud vs. Arche Klein
Arnaud vs. Jude Maverick
Arnaud vs. Strago Magus
Arnaud vs. Yuffie Kisaragi
Arnaud vs. Ziggy
Arnaud vs. Peppita Rosetti - Panic Dance and Kaboom ignore enemy evade/AGL. With Panic Dance's hit rates Arnaud needs the confuse blocker either way. Think he needs the ID blocker too here as far as I'm concerned. Need to think whether this lowers his stats to the stage his evade is so nerfed Peppita's non evadable status/offence/MP damage goes through.
Arnaud vs. Squall Leonheart
Arnaud vs. Meliadoul Tingel
Arnaud vs. MOMO
Arnaud vs. Warlock
Arnaud vs. Adray Lasbard

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #18 on:** July 31, 2012, 04:48:01 PM »

Quote from: Clear Tranquil on July 30, 2012, 09:22:26 PM

Arnaud vs. Fayt Leingod - Need to check if Ethereal Blast ignores evade. Air Raid does but Air Raid doesn't have status and I don't think it has the offence needed to win here either. Edit - So yeah Ethereal Blast does ignore evade/EVA/AGL (tested it with low level Fayt + 90~ HIT vs Ethereal Queen >_>), Fayt is faster, Ethereal Blast paralyses, does MP damage ... Need to think about this more.

I would heartily laugh at the idea of Air Raid ignoring evade considering how often it whiffed for me in-game. >_> I honestly am of the mind that nothing short of fullscreen blasts has a case to ignore evade at all in SO3, though. The blocking stat utterly sucks and sidestepping/avoiding attacks outright is such a huge part of staying alive in-game.

Clear Tranquil · « **Reply #19 on:** July 31, 2012, 08:12:42 PM »

It is kind of unbalanced~ I mean the white/blue enemy/character evade barrier thing >_> Some moves don't trigger it regardless of HIT/AGL. It's usually a non factor because on the normal difficulty mode at least character HIT needs to keep up with enemy evade as the game progresses but if one were to bring in a much lower character end or aftergame or a L1 Sophia vs the final boss or something they'll run into the evade barrier. Another example is getting to the final stages of the ranking battles underlevelled or Solon with his golden/classic 9999 evade gimmick which skills like Kaboom mock. Or if returning to earlier areas of the game to level up Sophia/Peppita, your higher levelled characters might be evading attacks they weren't earlier (not sure why some people want to do that rather than reaping Moonbase/Styx EXP but yeah) Even more obvious is on higher difficulty modes where enemy evade is much higher than character HIT initially (which is why Cliff's Hammer of Might is such a blessing on 4D mode) or even while equipping the Gutsy Bunny for a challenge on Normal/Galaxy mode, which I am finding out on my Galaxy Gutsy Bunny Peppita file, even while at L80~ Faerie Friend is triggering the evade barriers vs the Dragon Knights.

I certainly understand not having much respect for it despite it having a working base though. Just I've ran into it more than a few times from my various runs through SO3 so like to have it as a bench mark/checker if coming across evade

sidestepping/avoiding attacks outright is such a huge part of staying alive in-game.

This is true and definitely far more effective in practice with a player controlled Leader than the evade stat. The latter isn't really reliable at all unless the player is overlevelled and/or has jacked the stat up with Item Creation. For enemy evade though if it's ever an issue equipping the AI with Kaboom and the likes can help. Well I guess Air Raid isn't very good at it whiffing even if it isn't triggering the evade barrier though! Was it just general whiffing or was Fayt knocking things down? Characters tend to whiff with follow up hits if the enemy is floored~

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #20 on:** July 31, 2012, 08:24:32 PM »

Well, it's not like I give ARPG blocking full credit for evade -ever-. See TotA Mystic Arts, who mock blocking (and TotA blocking is actually quite notable on both ends - PC and enemy) but are easy as fuck to dodge with movement. In that case, they ignore stuff like Raquel's Blocking to me (or SaGa shield evade, possibly)? Sure, works. But evade, no dice - and, in fact, I utterly laugh at Mystic Artes hitting against the evasive if they can't be used in combos, since dodging them so easily is what makes them so unthreatening in-game (i.e. why I respect Legretta in her division more than any other boss in the game besides her stats being the relative best to her point in the game. Did you know -Arietta- has more defense unscaled than Van's final form? :psyduck:).

Random Consonant · « **Reply #21 on:** August 05, 2012, 02:20:01 AM »

Might as well get this in while it's still a thing, just about done with WA4 anyways.

Arnaud vs. Clive Winslett - oh wow. Lock-On helps but it's not enough.
Arnaud vs. Kresnik Ahtreide - Yeah no Kresnik gets no statusblockers to me.
Arnaud vs. Glenn - CC PC vs. Arnaud. rofl.
Arnaud vs. Limstella - It's been said, plus even with the fact that Arnaud's evade does nothing here, Limstella still kind of has accuracy issues to compound everything she needs to work against here.
Arnaud vs. Todd Dukakis - Blocks confuse, whee.
Arnaud vs. Leo - Slow Down -> gg ramtos
Arnaud vs. Zapdos - probably
Arnaud vs. Kyra Tierny - gg ramtos
Arnaud vs. Tana - FE PC vs. Arnaud rofl
Arnaud vs. Nash Rumack - Too much status variety.
Arnaud vs. Grenseal - Probably.
Arnaud vs. Marisa - FE PC vs. Arnaud rofl
Arnaud vs. Culgan - Culgan durability.
Arnaud vs. Zeikfried - Zeik sucks.
Arnaud vs. Luc - Maybe one day I'll play S3 or something.
Arnaud vs. Dryst - Straightforward.
Arnaud vs. Freya Crescent- haha no.
Arnaud vs. Fuse - Sleep? Sleeeeep.
Arnaud vs. Kasumi (Suikos) - ITE 2HKO eh.
Arnaud vs. Lawfer - Illusion makes Lawfer emo forever.
Arnaud vs. Rutee Katrea - Probably.
Arnaud vs. Ursula - Not sure, but probably.
Arnaud vs. Dart - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Selan - Selan's sleepblocking is about as legal to me as her ID blocking, as far as I can tell.
Arnaud vs. Ashley Winchester - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Emeralda - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Elena (G2) - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Jeremy Non - What Snow said, Jeremy gets a lot of shots in but I doubt he lands enough of them.
Arnaud vs. Jeff - :jeff:
Arnaud vs. Mazus - Ouchies.
Arnaud vs. Berserk - Edit: Roight, WA1o evade sucks ass and only catches basic physicals, see how much I respect that sort of shit ignoring Arnaud's evasion.
Arnaud vs. Hojo - Yep.
Arnaud vs. Jean - As per Arnaud vs. Nash.
Arnaud vs. Hawk - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Miang - :miang:
Arnaud vs. Cristo - :kirylfacingidimmunity:
Arnaud vs. Cait Sith - ribbit
Arnaud vs. Elly van Houten - :ellyfacingsleepimmunity:
Arnaud vs. Hector - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Max - Remake basically makes this the same Magic Blocker gutcheck Arnaud vs. Grenseal was, I think.
Arnaud vs. Janus Cascade - Yep.
Arnaud vs. Marle (Nadia Guardia) - Oh wow Marle trying to land Stop against the evasive. gg ramtos.
Arnaud vs. Arche Klein - Yep.
Arnaud vs. Jude Maverick - Oh man Arnaud fucks over Assault Buster chickanery something fierce.
Arnaud vs. Strago Magus - Sour Mouth is the superior whoring.
Arnaud vs. Yuffie Kisaragi - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Sonya Shulen - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Rune Walsh - sure.
Arnaud vs. Emelia - :sagafrontiergunner:
Arnaud vs. Shu - :shu:
Arnaud vs. Marivel Armitage - yep.
Arnaud vs. Jean - :arnaud:
Arnaud vs. Squall Leonheart - gg ramtos
Arnaud vs. Meliadoul Tingel - Yeeeaaaah no avoiding equip breaking through unsaleable initial equipment hype here

:arnaud: