Author Topic: Not Ranked 10-1: Showtime for the Tragic Prince. (Read 1816 times)

Tonfa · « **on:** May 20, 2008, 02:53:12 AM »

Godlike
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Alucard(CSotN) vs Dante(SMT:N)
Zenon(Dis2) vs Atma Weapon(FF6)

Heavy
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Homard(LPT) vs Godo Kisaragi(FF7)
Ansem(KH1) vs Mispolm(SD3)

Middle
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Idura(L2) vs Akihiko(P3)
Kite(.hack) vs Vanessa(FE8)

Light
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Genshu(S2) vs Onix(PKMN)
Shuckle(GSC) vs Sailor Moon(SM:AS)

Dhyerwolf · « **Reply #1 on:** May 20, 2008, 02:59:04 AM »

Godlike
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Zenon(Dis2) vs Atma Weapon(FF6)- Atma Weapon. These two are kind of similar! But Atma Weapon is slightly better HP, is faster, and Vast Energy Stored beats Zenon's 50% HP Power up.

Middle
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Idura(L2) vs Akihiko(P3)- The lack of Idura notes is saddening.

Light
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Genshu(S2) vs Onix(PKMN)- Onix. FRLG gets Sturdy.

InfinityDragon · « **Reply #2 on:** May 20, 2008, 03:03:01 AM »

Godlike
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Alucard(CSotN) vs Dante(SMT:N) - I'm inclined to hold a Phys Resist Demifiend, any Phys Resist Demon, and Arahabaki against Dante's physical damage, meaning Rebellion spam is a shit strategy in general (much as it is in-game!). His crappy elemental attacks don't save him against Alucard's massive elemental walling.
Zenon(Dis2) vs Atma Weapon(FF6)

Heavy
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Homard(LPT) vs Godo Kisaragi(FF7)
Ansem(KH1) vs Mispolm(SD3) - Not Ansem in Heavy.

Middle
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Idura(L2) vs Akihiko(P3) - An ungodly amount of full healing makes Idura cry.
Kite(.hack) vs Vanessa(FE8)

Light
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Genshu(S2) vs Onix(PKMN) - Holy Christ this fails.
Shuckle(GSC) vs Sailor Moon(SM:AS)

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #3 on:** May 20, 2008, 03:07:32 AM »

Heavy
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Ansem(KH1) vs Mispolm(SD3) - Bullet to the fucking head.

Light
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Genshu(S2) vs Onix(PKMN) - Man, which form do I give for Onix anyway?
Shuckle(GSC) vs Sailor Moon(SM:AS) - Sailor Moon is so absurdly awful.

superaielman · « **Reply #4 on:** May 20, 2008, 03:23:02 AM »

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Idura(L2) vs Akihiko(P3) - An ungodly amount of full healing makes Idura cry.

Idura has confuse and and is extremely fast. I don't know how his DL damage will shake out- focused Iruda thunder should trump his physical- but.. mm. Thinking he'll have some shade of a 3HKO, which isn't bad.

His durability depends entirely on how much you count IP and the support in.

Dhyerwolf · « **Reply #5 on:** May 20, 2008, 03:33:45 AM »

Well, Thunder damage would not be relevant here, even if I allowed the focusing. Also, what effect does his Confuse have? Random use of physicals, or the potential to attack yourself?

The support...depends on how solid it is. IPs count a fair amount though, to me.

superaielman · « **Reply #6 on:** May 20, 2008, 04:00:55 AM »

Idura:

3600 HP
300 MP
100 AGI

PC HP: 291
Average enemy speed: 60-65

2x weak to ice, resists thunder by 50 (More in practice, with how L2 defense works). Not immune to poison/sleep. Reduces physical damage by 15%.

Physical: 150~. L2 has a lot of damage variation (If you see some inconsistent stat data, it's because the game randomizes damage to some extent). The formula I have says it should be doing 120, but.. it's not doing that low most of the time. I donno.
Idura Thunder: 140, Thunder elemental. (useless if you don't allow focusing)
Plasma Blaster- 95, Thunder elemental, MT (Useless if you allow focusig)
MT physical: 10 damage, 50% chance of inflicting confusion.
Can summon support. only one out at a time.

Groupie:

300 HP
22 AGI
Damage: 65, 10% chance of inflicing sleep

Damage done to Idura, not counting elemental weakness/IP:

Dekar: 200
Guy: 110
Maxim: 90? (Guessing, need to check what the best storebought spells are)
Selan: 140? (See above)

These notes are very rough, just ballparking things.

Notes: Depends entirely on how you scale his HP. If you count IPs against him, basically cut his HP in half- literally, thanks to Fatal Blow. Some shade of Middle in all likelyhood- the summoning really is a good way to frustrate ST attackers, and his confuse lets him put a lot of pressure on healers.

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Confuse? see the stat topic there. Same effect as the PC version. Don't take these notes too literally, I didn't spend forever getting precise damage data.

Dhyerwolf · « **Reply #7 on:** May 20, 2008, 04:13:08 AM »

Well, sounds like I wouldn't really have much respect at all for Idura's HP then. Assuming that the 150 is correct (Because 146 and below and Ahihiko is no longer 2HKOed). Now, with the 2HKO, Ahihiko can prevent it by Attack Down for a while. This match probably comes down to doubles (Unless Idura in fact 3HKOes Aki, which I think tips it in his favor).

superaielman · « **Reply #8 on:** May 20, 2008, 04:18:15 AM »

If you're not holding the elemental weakness against him he's still tolerable, simply because this team' can't put out the same kind of silly offense you can lategame. Only having the second tier attack spells is part of it, as is no Berserker (Besides for Dekar)/useless 3x IP weapons/Your damage being reduced by having three fighters at once.

That said I think after about 50~ shots of confuse it's closer to coinflip than 66%, so notes edited. Pain in the ass to get him to use that move.

Dhyerwolf · « **Reply #9 on:** May 20, 2008, 04:20:03 AM »

I do hold elemental weaknesses against him. Otherwise...2-3 PC HP, that fast and a borderline 2HKO? In Middle? Yikeees.

InfinityDragon · « **Reply #10 on:** May 20, 2008, 07:33:27 AM »

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Idura has confuse and and is extremely fast. I don't know how his DL damage will shake out- focused Iruda thunder should trump his physical- but.. mm. Thinking he'll have some shade of a 3HKO, which isn't bad.

Most has already been said already, but Idura Thunder whiffs against Lightning Immunity and Akihiko has a good argument for avoiding Confuse by equipping a Lovers weapon (granted, this doesn't apply if its vanilla P3 only, or if you don't see P3 Charm as being close enough to Confusion to allow Null/Resist Charm to avoid Confuse...although that argument is pretty laughable).

This leaves Idura with a 3HKO attack that has debuffed accuracy.

Pyro · « **Reply #11 on:** May 20, 2008, 11:49:54 AM »

You may or may not opt to hold back row into account for Idura's physical. While it might not come up in-game if you were to solo him, back row in L2 reduces damage even if the front row is dead. Not sure whether I do or not (in a literal solo, it really wouldn't come up), but that little factoid may convince you to do so.

Also, looking at that damage average I think you are lacking elemental ring hype. This is saddening.

Tonfa · « **Reply #12 on:** May 20, 2008, 01:37:42 PM »

Godlike
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Zenon(Dis2) vs Atma Weapon(FF6): Atma has a near OHKO physical? Should be good enough to win a slugfest.

Heavy
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Homard(LPT) vs Godo Kisaragi(FF7): Not OHKOed, then status does its magic.
Ansem(KH1) vs Mispolm(SD3): DARKNESS! This is the one fight I'll ever respect Ansem's big damage move in.

Middle
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Kite(.hack) vs Vanessa(FE8): Fast, status resistant, anti-healer...not Kite's fight.

Light
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Genshu(S2) vs Onix(PKMN): RBY form, so Swallow Rune gets hyped. Could be argued into giving other forms I guess, but RBY is the only one I've actually -played-.

superaielman · « **Reply #13 on:** May 20, 2008, 03:07:08 PM »

Quote from: Cryo on May 20, 2008, 11:49:54 AM

You may or may not opt to hold back row into account for Idura's physical. While it might not come up in-game if you were to solo him, back row in L2 reduces damage even if the front row is dead. Not sure whether I do or not (in a literal solo, it really wouldn't come up), but that little factoid may convince you to do so.

Also, looking at that damage average I think you are lacking elemental ring hype. This is saddening.

Take whatever you want for average damage. Like I said, that was only a ballpark figure and I skipped a lot of treasure on that file. (This is my DL playthrough). Team levels all are around 30 at this point.

Gatewalker · « **Reply #14 on:** May 20, 2008, 04:39:02 PM »

Godlike
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Alucard(CSotN) vs Dante(SMT:N) - Haven't played either, though I have SotN now(via DX Chronicles)
Zenon(Dis2) vs Atma Weapon(FF6) - No Dis2

Heavy
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Homard(LPT) vs Godo Kisaragi(FF7) - Homard misses the OHKO. He kinda needs it.
Ansem(KH1) vs Mispolm(SD3) - Kneejerk. i am NOT thinking about this.

Middle
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Idura(L2) vs Akihiko(P3) - Thuder nulling, Lovers weapon for Charm/Confuse resist, Debuffs and full healing. Aki controls the pace of this match and there's jack all Idura can do about it.
Kite(.hack) vs Vanessa(FE8) - Infection/Mutation Kite isn't winning this. Maybe he gets something in the latter two games, but I wouldn't know about those.

Light
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Genshu(S2) vs Onix(PKMN) - Sturdy, outslugs.
Shuckle(GSC) vs Sailor Moon(SM:AS) - No SM:AS

randomhero · « **Reply #15 on:** May 20, 2008, 06:18:00 PM »

odlike
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Alucard(CSotN) vs Dante(SMT:N)
Zenon(Dis2) vs Atma Weapon(FF6)

Heavy
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Homard(LPT) vs Godo Kisaragi(FF7)
Ansem(KH1) vs Mispolm(SD3)

Middle
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Idura(L2) vs Akihiko(P3) - No idea. Not familiar enough with L2
Kite(.hack) vs Vanessa(FE8) - Haven't gotten far enough in .hack to vote

Light
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Genshu(S2) vs Onix(PKMN)
Shuckle(GSC) vs Sailor Moon(SM:AS)

Rozalia · « **Reply #16 on:** May 20, 2008, 08:07:11 PM »

Heavy
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Homard(LPT) vs Godo Kisaragi(FF7)
Ansem(KH1) vs Mispolm(SD3)

Middle
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Kite(.hack) vs Vanessa(FE8)

Dark Holy Elf · « **Reply #17 on:** May 21, 2008, 01:11:28 AM »

Genshu(S2) vs Onix(PKMN): Vote on RBY form for RBY pokemon (on average they prefer this, plus I believe it's more played), as I am strongly against the average-twisting inherent to letting different pokemon pick and choose. Poor Onix.

DomaDragoon · « **Reply #18 on:** May 21, 2008, 01:56:03 AM »

Zenon(Dis2) vs Atma Weapon(FF6) - Just barely outlasts.
Homard(LPT) vs Godo Kisaragi(FF7) - No status protection.
Ansem(KH1) vs Mispolm(SD3) - = Meeple.
Genshu(S2) vs Onix(PKMN) - Says Pokemon, not Pokemon RBY.
Shuckle(GSC) vs Sailor Moon(SM:AS) - On average, Wrap will do 371.88% HP through the 20 uses (6.25 * 3.5 * 17). Hits another 16.8% on Moon with Constrict (assuming you allow it to hit for the full 3 HP each turn), 3.2% with Bide if she only hits it once per Bide, and 7.52% during Struggle. Total damage: 399.4% HP damage. Meatball-head has 300% healing though the whole fight if you don't allow the Chalice. Shuckle should just barely Struggle itself to death.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #19 on:** May 21, 2008, 02:23:13 AM »

Shuckle has Rest and Moon has absolutely no offense to make it care about losing two turns. Moon's healing is also pretty crappy and she has four shots of it if she uses absolutely nothing else besides the physical, and the Cup is OPB. With her basic physical, Moon like 40HKOs Shuckle. So, Moon gets beaten by the MIGHTY COMBO OF REST+STRUGGLE.

Nephrite · « **Reply #20 on:** May 21, 2008, 02:40:53 AM »

Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu on May 21, 2008, 02:23:13 AM

Shuckle has Rest and Moon has absolutely no offense to make it care about losing two turns. Moon's healing is also pretty crappy and she has four shots of it if she uses absolutely nothing else besides the physical, and the Cup is OPB. With her basic physical, Moon like 40HKOs Shuckle. So, Moon gets beaten by the MIGHTY COMBO OF REST+STRUGGLE.

But you can't use Struggle with Rest, can you? It may not matter under your interpretations, though!

DomaDragoon · « **Reply #21 on:** May 21, 2008, 02:52:25 AM »

Stat topic says it's 2 EP, so that's 6 shots of 50% healing. And Moon's offence is horrid - but completely irrelevant. Until Shuckle starts Struggling, she should be defending every single turn unless she needs to heal. And once the Struggling begins (i.e. Shuckle's out of Rest PP), she just ekes out a win unless Shuckle gets a couple of lucky crits.

Oh, but if you allow alternate forms, Diamond/Pearl Shuckle uses Power Trick and splatters Usagi into a fine paste with his 250+ attack power with Constrict or Bide (as he'd then have a Def of 10, and Moon probably still doesn't have enough to KO him before it goes off unless she knows to use her super magical awesomeness... even then Shuck could PT again if he isn't KOed and then Rest away the damage, at which point she doesn't have enough healing to win).

SageAcrin · « **Reply #22 on:** May 21, 2008, 01:08:53 PM »

Encore kills the healing strategy.

Moon heals once, Encore runs her the rest of the way out of MP.

Edit:

Wait, doubles make this a mess. Hm. Though, then again, Encore can force her to spam defend at a point when she'd want to heal, forcing her to not heal at the last minute....which means that it still doesn't work if you disallow the Chalice, but may help before that, otherwise she could risk getting Wrapped to death or having to heal at the wrong time-

*Alex mentions Constrict's speed down in chat.*

-okay this match is officially as epic as hell. Never mind the doubles, though!..........*snort.*

Otter · « **Reply #23 on:** May 23, 2008, 12:52:35 AM »

Alucard vs. Dante - I don't arbitrarily penalize Dante for the -existence- of phys-nulling characters in his game, like ID, so it's blistering and I honestly have no idea what Alucard has to compare to it. He's the only character in his game! His stats (and damage, remember) are average automatically, and I don't see what tricks he's got that make him a Godlike in spite of this. The fact that he's in the division at all is mystifying.

Zenon vs. Atma

cloudstrifesheart · « **Reply #24 on:** May 23, 2008, 01:20:06 AM »

I agree with you on that otter

Alucard vs. Dante

Author Topic: Not Ranked 10-1: Showtime for the Tragic Prince. (Read 1816 times)

Pyro